WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.759 I could only claim to have had one sighting of them, 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.120 physical sighting, that being the original one in ninety three. 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:11.759 But I can tell you too that I've spoke about 4 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:13.679 it here and there. I don't speak about a lot, 5 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:19.239 but I but I about two and a half years 6 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:24.480 ago during COVID, I had probably the most amazing sighting, 7 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:30.879 and only my second in twenty eight years, So it's 8 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:33.280 more than just a single sighting for me. I can 9 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.200 say that, but it took a hell of a long 10 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.320 time for that second one then, but that second was well, 11 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.240 that's a good story of itself. But why don't we 12 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:47.200 just get this rolling and let me know when we're taping, 13 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.600 and we'll just my wife will tell you. I got 14 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.039 no problem talking. So thank you. It's great to be 15 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.920 with you again, Daniel. It's been a long time, gosh, 16 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.560 several years back when I spoke at one of your conferences, 17 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.359 and now it's it's good to good to see you 18 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.159 and to be able to catch up on a few 19 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:13.159 things that have been going on in my life. I 20 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.680 have to start with, you know, putting out the fact 21 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:21.120 that I've spent my at least sixty of my years 22 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.200 living in the Pacific Northwest, mainly the state of Oregon. 23 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.760 And you don't live in the Pacific Northwest without having, 24 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:34.400 you know, heard a bigfoot or sasquatch. It's it's kind 25 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.560 of part of the culture, I suppose. But for me, 26 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.959 I had written an off as some sort of urban 27 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.359 legend or just a campfire tale to keep kids in line, 28 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:51.159 or what have you. I having been a hunter and fisherman, hiker, 29 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:55.439 mountain climbing, been out and spent a lot of time 30 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.519 both on land and in the water, and and you know, 31 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:03.760 I I would have thought I would have seen something 32 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:09.360 in all those years. But at this time of my 33 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:15.879 life when I got had my epiphany, if you will, 34 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.639 I was thirty four years old. I was a combat 35 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:25.479 engineer in the Oregon Army National Guard. And for those 36 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.840 of you who may not be aware, a lot of 37 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:35.479 what combat engineering does is it includes explosives, in many 38 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:42.599 cases very large explosives. And so on April third of 39 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.719 nineteen ninety three, I was with by unit, the twelve 40 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.039 forty ninth Combat Engineers, and we had gone out into 41 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:54.120 the Oregon Coast Range, not far from the coastal town 42 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:59.240 of Seaside, Oregon, where we were going to practice our trade, 43 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:04.120 if you will. We had three rock quarries on private 44 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:10.879 timberland that we had obtained access to and just you 45 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.039 can imagine based on the activity we're involved in, and 46 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:18.240 we had considerable security in the area to make sure 47 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:24.319 that civilians didn't wander into the area. We had blasted 48 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:28.080 at two of the three sites, moved on to the third, 49 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.479 which was a cratering charge about two hundred and fifty 50 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.599 pounds of ammonium nitrate that we've been soaking in diesel 51 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.560 fuel for a few hours. We got that in the ground, 52 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:44.439 put in the blasting caps, the timing fuse, and lit 53 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.280 the fuses, giving us roughly fifteen minutes maybe to get 54 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.479 in our vehicles and reach a safe area where we 55 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.039 would await the explosion and then go back and check 56 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:02.680 our work see how we did standard as right. So 57 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.719 on that particular day it was probably I won't see, 58 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.400 about three in the afternoon. It was fairly decent day, 59 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.839 being April in the coast range. When we boarded our 60 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.079 vehicles after having lit the fuse. A I was a 61 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.720 passenger behind the driver in a second vehicle. We had 62 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.800 five vehicles in all, and as we descended down the 63 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.879 hill on this windy logging road to get ourselves some 64 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:38.959 distance between the explosion and ourselves. I had the opportunity 65 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.319 to look about the countryside. Like I said, it was 66 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.680 a nice day. I had the window open, and so 67 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.680 I'm looking for deer and elp. I had hunted that 68 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.079 particular hunting unit to Saddle Mountain unit for years, and 69 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.839 so it was just natural for me to since I 70 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.759 didn't have to focus on driving down this windy road, 71 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:02.879 that just kind of it's about the countryside. But we 72 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:07.319 rounded a corner, uh so I recall, just a wide 73 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:11.839 sweeping corner. This. As we did, the second last site 74 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.680 came into view. Now this was a last site, a 75 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:20.000 rock quarry if you will, that we had detonated a 76 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:25.439 sizable explosion mostly c four plastic explosives at that one. 77 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:31.399 As I recall, maybe an hour or so earlier. And 78 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:35.360 as the as the quarry came into my view, I 79 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:41.000 noticed three very distinct, very dark figures standing right out 80 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.639 in the in the open, in in the middle of 81 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:49.439 this gravel quarry. And something wasn't right. Uh. My first 82 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.839 thought was, what the hell are those people doing down there? 83 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.639 And I say that because we weren't allowed to wander 84 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.519 off onesie tuoesie or you know. We had what we 85 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.560 call one hundred percent accountability For safety reasons, everybody had 86 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.959 to be within an eyesight of the of the unit. 87 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.240 So for having to have a couple, two or three 88 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.319 individuals off on their own just did not make sense. 89 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.120 And my concern was that they may have been civilians 90 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:23.360 that somehow got around got through our security perimeter. But 91 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.240 it took me only a couple seconds to realize that 92 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:31.639 what I was looking at were not human. And by 93 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.800 that I mean they were too big. They were like 94 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.199 I said, they were black from head to foot, didn't 95 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:45.519 show any signs of clothing at all. The profile they 96 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.639 showed was not human. And by that I mean that 97 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.560 these it was the arms that really struck me initially. 98 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.040 The arms were way too long for humans. That where 99 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:01.399 our hands rest pretty much spread about our hip. The 100 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.079 these arms extended all the way down to their knees. 101 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:09.639 And like I said, there were three of them. And 102 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.800 so just to give your audience an idea of how 103 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:18.399 it appeared to me, there was the largest of the three, 104 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.079 and I estimated at least eight to nine feet in height. 105 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:30.160 It was a huge, huge individual that one stood there 106 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:34.000 just almost like a statue. And you really, I didn't 107 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.079 distact any movement from it per se. But the two 108 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.360 that flanked it on its right left were engaged in 109 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:49.240 this unusual activity. They were rocking to their left and 110 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.319 to their right, shifting weight from one foot to the other, 111 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:56.920 and in the process, these these long, pendulous arms were 112 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:02.279 swinging down all the way at their knees. And so, 113 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.079 I mean, you know, I could go on. I mean, 114 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.160 the size was not human, the shape was not human. 115 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.120 These things were built like bodybuilders, all three of them. 116 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:20.240 The barrel chested, broad shoulders, a tapered waist, but the arms, 117 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.720 and I'd have to say the legs too, just seem 118 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:31.240 disproportionately long compared to a human Torso anyway, I stood there, 119 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.559 sat there, I should say, stunned at what I was 120 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.399 looking at. I watched them for a pretty decent period 121 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.759 of time, the entire time they were doing this rocking 122 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:50.000 side to sided activity, at least two of them, and 123 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.360 I watched them I would estimate about twenty five seconds, 124 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.360 which is which when it comes to bigfoot side. As 125 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.120 you know, Daniel, it's it's a pretty good long view. 126 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.879 And uh again, they just they were doing this, this 127 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.320 walk to see or whatever you want to call it. 128 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.720 They were just swinging side to side and and then 129 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.120 twenty five seconds elapse, we turned the corner, I lost 130 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.679 sight of them, and I just slumped back into my 131 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:27.279 into my seat and tried to wrap my head around 132 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:32.360 what what I just saw. It's it's a weird feeling 133 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:36.960 to have something like that, something that's not supposed to 134 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:42.679 be suddenly be. You know, I can't unsee it, And 135 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.720 you know, I make no apologies for it. I I fact, 136 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:52.200 I feel quite fortunate for having had that that that sighting, 137 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.919 that that encounter. Yeah, just curious, sure. 138 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.320 Yeah, just curious. Did to any any of the other 139 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.000 soldier as witnesses or was it just you? By any chance? 140 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.440 So that's a good question. And at the time, I'm 141 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.080 being a passenger sitting behind the driver, there were there 142 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.000 were two individuals sitting up front in the humby, and 143 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.320 I know they didn't see it. I was the only 144 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.919 passenger sitting back directly behind the driver, and so at 145 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.320 the time I assumed that I was the only one 146 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.480 that had seen it. And we were getting pretty close 147 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.120 to that safety area where we were going to get 148 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.000 out of our vehicles. And wait for that that impending explosion. 149 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.480 And when we did get down there, I took the 150 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.440 opportunity to jog back in the direction we had just 151 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:47.320 come from. It was my hope that I could stay 152 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:51.679 within sight of the of the unit and still get 153 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.360 far enough away to where I could get another view 154 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.240 of them, and that was my objective, as the rest 155 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:01.360 of the other three trucks were coming in behind us. 156 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.960 But I went as far as I could, and I 157 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:10.840 just there was this stupid berm, you know, just a 158 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.799 slight hill that was blocking my direct view of the 159 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.600 of the quarry, and it was frustrating. But while I 160 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:21.039 was standing there looking off in the distance, I'm sure 161 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.320 I was on my tiptoes with my hand up to 162 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.559 my forehead as you could probably picture, trying to look 163 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.720 off in the distance to see if I could get 164 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.159 another view of them. Somebody called out my name. I 165 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:36.879 heard somebody and some of my rights, you know, hey, niece. Okay. 166 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.879 So I looked to my right and it's Sergeant Martin 167 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:44.039 and he's he's walking my directions, and I said, yeah, 168 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.600 what's up? And he said, just what are you looking at? 169 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:53.799 And of course I said nothing, and he proceeded to 170 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.480 come up to where I was at, and the last 171 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.480 of the trucks were rolling in behind us, and he 172 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.200 came right up to where I was at and looked 173 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:08.679 me right in the eyes and said, I don't suppose 174 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.440 you saw what I saw down at that second blast. 175 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.320 S Well, you can imagine. I'm like, oh, dear God, 176 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.039 please do what I hope you're going to say. But 177 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.320 you know, being the brave guy I was, I said, 178 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:23.679 I don't know, Jeff, what didn't you see? And I 179 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.759 remember he took a drag off his cigarette and he 180 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.279 looked over his shoulder to the left and over to 181 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:32.720 the right, and he made sure nobody else was within earshot, 182 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:41.039 and he exhaled and just said I saw three dark, 183 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:51.120 huge bigfoot I think. And of course, upon hearing that, 184 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:56.159 I I'm very that's a gadget. Yeah, I saw him too. 185 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.679 I saw him too. You know. It was great for me, 186 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.159 you know, not that I had any questions about what 187 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.559 I had seen, and frankly, without his corroboration it would 188 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:13.679 have changed anything. Necessarily, I cannot see what I saw, 189 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:15.440 but it was kind of cool to know somebody else 190 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.799 had shared that experience with me. So that's an answer 191 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.360 to your question, Yes, at that point I knew that 192 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:29.120 I wasn't alone in what I had seen. As I 193 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.720 stated at the beginning, I was with the at that time, 194 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.159 I was in the Army National Guard. Now I finished 195 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:39.200 up my twenty years of service with a little over 196 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.240 fifteen years of active duty. But I started out a 197 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:47.799 National Guard and so we being a traditional guardsman, as 198 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.120 you probably are aware, we all have day jobs, right, 199 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:55.200 So we we get together one weekend out of the 200 00:13:55.279 --> 00:14:02.559 month to do our training, and it would be early 201 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:08.639 May before we got back together to do some more 202 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:13.000 training that I would come to find out that two 203 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.000 more soldiers had come forward at that drill, as we 204 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.440 called them. Two more soldiers came forward and admitted to 205 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:26.799 seeing exactly what Sergeant Martin, Jeff Martin, and I had seen. 206 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:32.720 So it's a total of four eyewitnesses, and that's just 207 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:35.240 the ones we know of. I mean, I have to 208 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.120 think that if there were four eyewitnesses and there were 209 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:46.120 five vehicles full of troops, that there probably were more eyewitnesses, 210 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.679 but four that we knew of coming forward, which takes 211 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:55.320 that signing rather unique in and of itself, because multiple 212 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:03.879 eyewitnesses account for a portion of of the sightings, encounters 213 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.799 made multiple animals are even more rare, as you know, 214 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.039 usually it's a single individual. And then of course we 215 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.799 got to think about the activity that we are engaged 216 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.600 in that day. We were we were blowing up the 217 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.320 woods Man. We were putting up mushroom clouds like two 218 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.000 thousand feet in the air, blowing up hundreds of pounds 219 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:29.080 of ammonium nitrate or plastic explosive, creating a small earthquake 220 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:33.919 in the process. Right, So those three things combined to 221 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.720 make it a very unique sighting, and it's it's kind 222 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:40.960 of stood the test of time over the years. It's 223 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.919 been thirty two years now and I've been researching ever since. 224 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.559 Yeah, that's very awesome. Yeah, I could now from from 225 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:58.200 what I understand. You know, apart from this, a lot 226 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:03.039 of your research consisted of cruising the shorelines of the 227 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.759 Pacific Northwest. If you want to pull every a little 228 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.039 bit on that or what lends all that. 229 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.279 Well, I tend to be one of these researchers that 230 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:20.399 that that things outside the box. There's a lot of 231 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:24.679 us doing the same things repeatedly, and you know what 232 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:27.559 what they say about people doing the same thing over 233 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:31.720 and over and getting the same result right. So nobody's 234 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.440 got it right yet, and so I try to use 235 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:40.039 some more what I would call unconventional modes of research. 236 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.879 You know. Of course I incorporate my hunting skills which 237 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:53.840 I've honed over many decades, also some just standard research techniques, 238 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.600 if you will. But I do try to think outside 239 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:01.120 the box. And one of the things I have looked 240 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:08.319 into is researching from a maritime platform at night. Excuse me. 241 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:14.160 In two thousand and sixteen September, late September, I put 242 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:22.400 together a very unique expedition. We dubbed it Operation Sea Monkey. 243 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.240 You may have heard of it. We raised some money 244 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.880 to and put together a team. It was real who's 245 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.839 who I think? You know. I had very little time 246 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.319 to put it together, but I was fortunate enough to 247 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:45.359 get names such as Ron moorehead Gunner Monson with Sasquatch Coffee. 248 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.720 We had Thomas Steinberg, a renowned author and researcher from 249 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:56.880 British Columbia, and Tom Seawood some others. That we had 250 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:04.759 total of six team members in an eight total, including 251 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:09.480 two videographers cameramen that we had brought with us as well. 252 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.799 And what we did was to charter a fifty foot 253 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:21.480 trawler out of Campbell River on Vancouver Island and British Columbia. 254 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:27.039 What we had learned is the Native Americans north of 255 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:32.759 there inhabited some islands known as the BroadOn Archipelago. And 256 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.519 this is a cluster of nearly one hundred small islands. 257 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.799 They're forested islands, very unique, rocky forested islands, some very small, 258 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.759 others there's a few that are pretty good sized. But 259 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:59.200 literally the archipelago is so thick with islands in the 260 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:05.119 northern stretch along that that's that that straight that western 261 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:11.440 street there that some claim that a good swimmer and 262 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.480 even some of the wildlife could literally swim from the 263 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:20.440 mainland of British Columbia through the islands obviously resting between 264 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:26.559 and and quite possibly reached Vancouver Island. And so we thought, 265 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:31.119 what better place to go to than these uninhabited islands 266 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.200 that were once inhabited by the quakwa Quiwalk tribe hundreds 267 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:41.640 of years ago. And the objective was in this case 268 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:49.279 a short term expedition just to basically look at the 269 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:55.200 feasibility of doing a much longer one, one, being perhaps 270 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:58.519 three months in length at the time, I owned a 271 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:04.319 coastal cruising about forty foot yacht that I had lived 272 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.680 on for several years and my term my thought was 273 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:09.920 when I retired from the army, to take it up, 274 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:15.160 to cruise it up to British Columbia and spend an 275 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.559 entire summer searching the coastlines, both the mainland and the island, 276 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.559 but those islands in between. Specifically, in this case, we 277 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.519 only had about a week to do this exploratory expedition 278 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:31.279 again just to look at the feasibility of getting up 279 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.960 there in all the logistics that it would involved to 280 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.920 go up there a longer term. So every what we 281 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:43.039 did is every evening we would we traveled probably seventy 282 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:48.680 miles north of Campbell River through the Johnson Straits, and 283 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.759 we had two inflatable zodiacs that we could use to 284 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:58.359 leave the quote unquote mothership, if you will, and day 285 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.720 every day we would visit a for an island. We 286 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:06.119 would anchor offshore, take the zodiacs to the beach, look 287 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:11.240 for areas where we thought they may access the beaches 288 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:17.559 to collect clams, shellfish, cockles, mussels and whatnot which had 289 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.880 just come into season about late September early October and 290 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.039 so we would take shifts every night throughout the night 291 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:36.119 using some very expensive infrared an infrared camera and wash 292 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.400 the shoreline because we the stories we had heard from 293 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.119 the natives where they would access the beaches at night 294 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:47.039 and dig these clams up. So I would take maybe 295 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:51.279 midnight to two am and wake up run Morehead he 296 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.640 would do two to four, he'd wake up you know, 297 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.519 Thomas Steamer, he'd do four to six. And we'd do 298 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:02.079 this around o'clock. And during the day we'd go ashore 299 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:04.559 looking for tracks, any sort of evidence we could find. 300 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.799 We would set up game cameras. I carried a kid 301 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:13.200 of four seismic ground sensors that would trigger if they 302 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.160 were if they detected any vibration in the ground, and 303 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.240 send a signal back to the to the triller we 304 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.440 were on. So it was a great exercise that we 305 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:29.640 were again. We spent I think a total of six 306 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:36.240 days investigating five different islands. We had a great time, 307 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.920 a lot of work, and we came away believing that 308 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:48.119 we can in the future do a much longer, much 309 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:54.480 longer expedition up there. I should say the actual original 310 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:00.559 concept game from Peter Burn. I'm sure most of your 311 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:06.359 listeners probably recognize him as one of the pioneer researchers 312 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.559 in the big foot field. Yeah half the way. Yeah, 313 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:16.960 Peter passed away about about two years ago this month 314 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.119 at the age of well, he was just a couple 315 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.680 of weeks shy of ninety eight years old. But Peter 316 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.240 lived on the on the coast in Oregon in a 317 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.480 town of Pacific City, and he came up with this 318 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:36.839 idea of us going out in a large inflatable out 319 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:41.880 into the ocean from an estuary of the Salmon River 320 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.279 just north of Lincoln City and south of Pacific City 321 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:49.640 where he lived. And so he contracted this guy that 322 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:54.039 had this this it must have been about a twenty 323 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:59.279 five foot inflatable with a center console, and we all 324 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.720 jumped in at the docks in the river and we 325 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.319 literally went straight out of the mouth of the river 326 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.000 into the ocean, and we cruised several miles north and 327 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:15.640 south looking at that time for different avenues of ingress 328 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.839 should Bigfoot want to access the coast, and we found 329 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:26.200 a number of places that were completely uninhabited, absolutely wild 330 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.319 accesses where we could see trails that would come down 331 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:36.240 to the beach game trails. So it's kind of where 332 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.640 I stole the idea because that was done I think 333 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.119 a couple of years before that. But anyway, so yeah, 334 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.240 I think, you know, we've got to as researchers think 335 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.640 outside the box. And like I say, nobody's got it 336 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.759 right yet, so why not. 337 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:07.640 Absolutely, that's awesome. Oh no, I'm sorry, Uh nah, I'm 338 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.759 listening and everything. I was just away from the phone, 339 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.119 all right, William. 340 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.240 Yeah, so yeah, Now this is interesting because you know 341 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:20.799 you're talking about you know, when we experiment and try 342 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.119 these different techniques, you know, like you said, thinking outside 343 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:24.559 the box. 344 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:28.599 I mean, over the years, I've had my share of 345 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.880 receiving criticism over what I've done, even in recent times 346 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.640 with my group when we go camping and we go exploring. 347 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.519 You know, people see the video footage. One of the 348 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:43.359 couple that comes with me, one of my team members, 349 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:48.279 David David and Melissa Lester. You know David, he's also 350 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.920 retired from the army and also from the local one 351 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.279 of the local police departments here. He's got two he's 352 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:58.559 got two careers that he's retired from. He's currently six 353 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:03.880 around sixty five years old. And uh, you know, David Wilsa, 354 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.440 they have a German shepherd. I remember when they first 355 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.039 started bringing the jury. You know. Her name's Luna by 356 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:12.319 the way, and she's two years old. We love having 357 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.119 her out there. It's interesting because we've had her in 358 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.759 several different locations out there and you know, just to 359 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:23.480 watch her become alert to what's out there, you know, 360 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.680 because a lot of it's. 361 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:25.039 New to her. 362 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:29.160 But she's she's becoming accustomed, she's getting you know, she's 363 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.839 getting really used to, you know, being out there with us. 364 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.799 And she does a great job. And so one of 365 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:38.359 the one of the criticism remarks I got from one 366 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.119 individual and I never thought I would get this from anybody, 367 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.359 but I did, and it's like, yeah, you guys are 368 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:45.880 going out there with a group of people and you 369 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.519 got you got a dog with you. You're not going 370 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.640 to find nothing with dog. I was like, what is this, 371 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.200 I mean, especially and they go on and say like, yeah, 372 00:26:55.240 --> 00:27:00.480 there's no hunting done with dogs from where I'm originally from. Yes, 373 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.799 even down here in the on the East coast in 374 00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:07.039 the south hunters, there's bear hunters. They run your dogs 375 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.440 for bear hunters up nor if you can run dogs 376 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.960 for deer unlike that here. 377 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.200 Yeah, they use an Oregon for for hunting down cougar 378 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.119 all kinds of things. But I've heard that argument. I've 379 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.799 heard that argument before, and I've it seems to me 380 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:33.000 that more times than not that dogs refuse to to 381 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:40.039 trail these things. And I that's just my experience that 382 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.599 there seems to be perhaps a love hate relationship between 383 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:50.240 canines and the sasquatch or bigfoot. And it may go 384 00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.240 back just to the fact that in more primal times 385 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.319 that they were direct competitors for the same resources, the 386 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:02.279 same game that they would be in carnivores both, that 387 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.599 they would have to compete with each other. I don't know. 388 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.400 I don't know, Daniel, that's a good question. What's been 389 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:09.200 your experience. 390 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.400 Well, you know, it's just ever since we've had Luna 391 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.359 with us, you know, it just mainly sitting around the 392 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.440 base camp is when we more we more or less 393 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.119 pay attention to her because you know where our base 394 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.279 camp is. You know, of course we're surrounded by the woods. 395 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.079 But our base camp where we've been camping lately, you know, 396 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.599 it's it is on the edge of an open field. 397 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.640 Of course, the fields surrounded by the National Force, all 398 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.039 the woods and everything, but you know, of course, canine'es 399 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.359 they pick up things and they send things that we 400 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.759 don't always sense, and like a lot of times we 401 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:41.519