Speaker 1: I could only claim to have had one sighting of them,
Speaker 1: physical sighting, that being the original one in ninety three.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you too that I've spoke about
Speaker 1: it here and there. I don't speak about a lot,
Speaker 1: but I but I about two and a half years
Speaker 1: ago during COVID, I had probably the most amazing sighting,
Speaker 1: and only my second in twenty eight years, So it's
Speaker 1: more than just a single sighting for me. I can
Speaker 1: say that, but it took a hell of a long
Speaker 1: time for that second one then, but that second was well,
Speaker 1: that's a good story of itself. But why don't we
Speaker 1: just get this rolling and let me know when we're taping,
Speaker 1: and we'll just my wife will tell you. I got
Speaker 1: no problem talking. So thank you. It's great to be
Speaker 1: with you again, Daniel. It's been a long time, gosh,
Speaker 1: several years back when I spoke at one of your conferences,
Speaker 1: and now it's it's good to good to see you
Speaker 1: and to be able to catch up on a few
Speaker 1: things that have been going on in my life. I
Speaker 1: have to start with, you know, putting out the fact
Speaker 1: that I've spent my at least sixty of my years
Speaker 1: living in the Pacific Northwest, mainly the state of Oregon.
Speaker 1: And you don't live in the Pacific Northwest without having,
Speaker 1: you know, heard a bigfoot or sasquatch. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of part of the culture, I suppose. But for me,
Speaker 1: I had written an off as some sort of urban
Speaker 1: legend or just a campfire tale to keep kids in line,
Speaker 1: or what have you. I having been a hunter and fisherman, hiker,
Speaker 1: mountain climbing, been out and spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: both on land and in the water, and and you know,
Speaker 1: I I would have thought I would have seen something
Speaker 1: in all those years. But at this time of my
Speaker 1: life when I got had my epiphany, if you will,
Speaker 1: I was thirty four years old. I was a combat
Speaker 1: engineer in the Oregon Army National Guard. And for those
Speaker 1: of you who may not be aware, a lot of
Speaker 1: what combat engineering does is it includes explosives, in many
Speaker 1: cases very large explosives. And so on April third of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, I was with by unit, the twelve
Speaker 1: forty ninth Combat Engineers, and we had gone out into
Speaker 1: the Oregon Coast Range, not far from the coastal town
Speaker 1: of Seaside, Oregon, where we were going to practice our trade,
Speaker 1: if you will. We had three rock quarries on private
Speaker 1: timberland that we had obtained access to and just you
Speaker 1: can imagine based on the activity we're involved in, and
Speaker 1: we had considerable security in the area to make sure
Speaker 1: that civilians didn't wander into the area. We had blasted
Speaker 1: at two of the three sites, moved on to the third,
Speaker 1: which was a cratering charge about two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: pounds of ammonium nitrate that we've been soaking in diesel
Speaker 1: fuel for a few hours. We got that in the ground,
Speaker 1: put in the blasting caps, the timing fuse, and lit
Speaker 1: the fuses, giving us roughly fifteen minutes maybe to get
Speaker 1: in our vehicles and reach a safe area where we
Speaker 1: would await the explosion and then go back and check
Speaker 1: our work see how we did standard as right. So
Speaker 1: on that particular day it was probably I won't see,
Speaker 1: about three in the afternoon. It was fairly decent day,
Speaker 1: being April in the coast range. When we boarded our
Speaker 1: vehicles after having lit the fuse. A I was a
Speaker 1: passenger behind the driver in a second vehicle. We had
Speaker 1: five vehicles in all, and as we descended down the
Speaker 1: hill on this windy logging road to get ourselves some
Speaker 1: distance between the explosion and ourselves. I had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to look about the countryside. Like I said, it was
Speaker 1: a nice day. I had the window open, and so
Speaker 1: I'm looking for deer and elp. I had hunted that
Speaker 1: particular hunting unit to Saddle Mountain unit for years, and
Speaker 1: so it was just natural for me to since I
Speaker 1: didn't have to focus on driving down this windy road,
Speaker 1: that just kind of it's about the countryside. But we
Speaker 1: rounded a corner, uh so I recall, just a wide
Speaker 1: sweeping corner. This. As we did, the second last site
Speaker 1: came into view. Now this was a last site, a
Speaker 1: rock quarry if you will, that we had detonated a
Speaker 1: sizable explosion mostly c four plastic explosives at that one.
Speaker 1: As I recall, maybe an hour or so earlier. And
Speaker 1: as the as the quarry came into my view, I
Speaker 1: noticed three very distinct, very dark figures standing right out
Speaker 1: in the in the open, in in the middle of
Speaker 1: this gravel quarry. And something wasn't right. Uh. My first
Speaker 1: thought was, what the hell are those people doing down there?
Speaker 1: And I say that because we weren't allowed to wander
Speaker 1: off onesie tuoesie or you know. We had what we
Speaker 1: call one hundred percent accountability For safety reasons, everybody had
Speaker 1: to be within an eyesight of the of the unit.
Speaker 1: So for having to have a couple, two or three
Speaker 1: individuals off on their own just did not make sense.
Speaker 1: And my concern was that they may have been civilians
Speaker 1: that somehow got around got through our security perimeter. But
Speaker 1: it took me only a couple seconds to realize that
Speaker 1: what I was looking at were not human. And by
Speaker 1: that I mean they were too big. They were like
Speaker 1: I said, they were black from head to foot, didn't
Speaker 1: show any signs of clothing at all. The profile they
Speaker 1: showed was not human. And by that I mean that
Speaker 1: these it was the arms that really struck me initially.
Speaker 1: The arms were way too long for humans. That where
Speaker 1: our hands rest pretty much spread about our hip. The
Speaker 1: these arms extended all the way down to their knees.
Speaker 1: And like I said, there were three of them. And
Speaker 1: so just to give your audience an idea of how
Speaker 1: it appeared to me, there was the largest of the three,
Speaker 1: and I estimated at least eight to nine feet in height.
Speaker 1: It was a huge, huge individual that one stood there
Speaker 1: just almost like a statue. And you really, I didn't
Speaker 1: distact any movement from it per se. But the two
Speaker 1: that flanked it on its right left were engaged in
Speaker 1: this unusual activity. They were rocking to their left and
Speaker 1: to their right, shifting weight from one foot to the other,
Speaker 1: and in the process, these these long, pendulous arms were
Speaker 1: swinging down all the way at their knees. And so,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could go on. I mean,
Speaker 1: the size was not human, the shape was not human.
Speaker 1: These things were built like bodybuilders, all three of them.
Speaker 1: The barrel chested, broad shoulders, a tapered waist, but the arms,
Speaker 1: and I'd have to say the legs too, just seem
Speaker 1: disproportionately long compared to a human Torso anyway, I stood there,
Speaker 1: sat there, I should say, stunned at what I was
Speaker 1: looking at. I watched them for a pretty decent period
Speaker 1: of time, the entire time they were doing this rocking
Speaker 1: side to sided activity, at least two of them, and
Speaker 1: I watched them I would estimate about twenty five seconds,
Speaker 1: which is which when it comes to bigfoot side. As
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel, it's it's a pretty good long view.
Speaker 1: And uh again, they just they were doing this, this
Speaker 1: walk to see or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: They were just swinging side to side and and then
Speaker 1: twenty five seconds elapse, we turned the corner, I lost
Speaker 1: sight of them, and I just slumped back into my
Speaker 1: into my seat and tried to wrap my head around
Speaker 1: what what I just saw. It's it's a weird feeling
Speaker 1: to have something like that, something that's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be suddenly be. You know, I can't unsee it, And
Speaker 1: you know, I make no apologies for it. I I fact,
Speaker 1: I feel quite fortunate for having had that that that sighting,
Speaker 1: that that encounter. Yeah, just curious, sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just curious. Did to any any of the other
Speaker 2: soldier as witnesses or was it just you? By any chance?
Speaker 1: So that's a good question. And at the time, I'm
Speaker 1: being a passenger sitting behind the driver, there were there
Speaker 1: were two individuals sitting up front in the humby, and
Speaker 1: I know they didn't see it. I was the only
Speaker 1: passenger sitting back directly behind the driver, and so at
Speaker 1: the time I assumed that I was the only one
Speaker 1: that had seen it. And we were getting pretty close
Speaker 1: to that safety area where we were going to get
Speaker 1: out of our vehicles. And wait for that that impending explosion.
Speaker 1: And when we did get down there, I took the
Speaker 1: opportunity to jog back in the direction we had just
Speaker 1: come from. It was my hope that I could stay
Speaker 1: within sight of the of the unit and still get
Speaker 1: far enough away to where I could get another view
Speaker 1: of them, and that was my objective, as the rest
Speaker 1: of the other three trucks were coming in behind us.
Speaker 1: But I went as far as I could, and I
Speaker 1: just there was this stupid berm, you know, just a
Speaker 1: slight hill that was blocking my direct view of the
Speaker 1: of the quarry, and it was frustrating. But while I
Speaker 1: was standing there looking off in the distance, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I was on my tiptoes with my hand up to
Speaker 1: my forehead as you could probably picture, trying to look
Speaker 1: off in the distance to see if I could get
Speaker 1: another view of them. Somebody called out my name. I
Speaker 1: heard somebody and some of my rights, you know, hey, niece. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I looked to my right and it's Sergeant Martin
Speaker 1: and he's he's walking my directions, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up? And he said, just what are you looking at?
Speaker 1: And of course I said nothing, and he proceeded to
Speaker 1: come up to where I was at, and the last
Speaker 1: of the trucks were rolling in behind us, and he
Speaker 1: came right up to where I was at and looked
Speaker 1: me right in the eyes and said, I don't suppose
Speaker 1: you saw what I saw down at that second blast.
Speaker 1: S Well, you can imagine. I'm like, oh, dear God,
Speaker 1: please do what I hope you're going to say. But
Speaker 1: you know, being the brave guy I was, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff, what didn't you see? And I
Speaker 1: remember he took a drag off his cigarette and he
Speaker 1: looked over his shoulder to the left and over to
Speaker 1: the right, and he made sure nobody else was within earshot,
Speaker 1: and he exhaled and just said I saw three dark,
Speaker 1: huge bigfoot I think. And of course, upon hearing that,
Speaker 1: I I'm very that's a gadget. Yeah, I saw him too.
Speaker 1: I saw him too. You know. It was great for me,
Speaker 1: you know, not that I had any questions about what
Speaker 1: I had seen, and frankly, without his corroboration it would
Speaker 1: have changed anything. Necessarily, I cannot see what I saw,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of cool to know somebody else
Speaker 1: had shared that experience with me. So that's an answer
Speaker 1: to your question, Yes, at that point I knew that
Speaker 1: I wasn't alone in what I had seen. As I
Speaker 1: stated at the beginning, I was with the at that time,
Speaker 1: I was in the Army National Guard. Now I finished
Speaker 1: up my twenty years of service with a little over
Speaker 1: fifteen years of active duty. But I started out a
Speaker 1: National Guard and so we being a traditional guardsman, as
Speaker 1: you probably are aware, we all have day jobs, right,
Speaker 1: So we we get together one weekend out of the
Speaker 1: month to do our training, and it would be early
Speaker 1: May before we got back together to do some more
Speaker 1: training that I would come to find out that two
Speaker 1: more soldiers had come forward at that drill, as we
Speaker 1: called them. Two more soldiers came forward and admitted to
Speaker 1: seeing exactly what Sergeant Martin, Jeff Martin, and I had seen.
Speaker 1: So it's a total of four eyewitnesses, and that's just
Speaker 1: the ones we know of. I mean, I have to
Speaker 1: think that if there were four eyewitnesses and there were
Speaker 1: five vehicles full of troops, that there probably were more eyewitnesses,
Speaker 1: but four that we knew of coming forward, which takes
Speaker 1: that signing rather unique in and of itself, because multiple
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses account for a portion of of the sightings, encounters
Speaker 1: made multiple animals are even more rare, as you know,
Speaker 1: usually it's a single individual. And then of course we
Speaker 1: got to think about the activity that we are engaged
Speaker 1: in that day. We were we were blowing up the
Speaker 1: woods Man. We were putting up mushroom clouds like two
Speaker 1: thousand feet in the air, blowing up hundreds of pounds
Speaker 1: of ammonium nitrate or plastic explosive, creating a small earthquake
Speaker 1: in the process. Right, So those three things combined to
Speaker 1: make it a very unique sighting, and it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of stood the test of time over the years. It's
Speaker 1: been thirty two years now and I've been researching ever since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very awesome. Yeah, I could now from from
Speaker 2: what I understand. You know, apart from this, a lot
Speaker 2: of your research consisted of cruising the shorelines of the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest. If you want to pull every a little
Speaker 2: bit on that or what lends all that.
Speaker 1: Well, I tend to be one of these researchers that
Speaker 1: that that things outside the box. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: us doing the same things repeatedly, and you know what
Speaker 1: what they say about people doing the same thing over
Speaker 1: and over and getting the same result right. So nobody's
Speaker 1: got it right yet, and so I try to use
Speaker 1: some more what I would call unconventional modes of research.
Speaker 1: You know. Of course I incorporate my hunting skills which
Speaker 1: I've honed over many decades, also some just standard research techniques,
Speaker 1: if you will. But I do try to think outside
Speaker 1: the box. And one of the things I have looked
Speaker 1: into is researching from a maritime platform at night. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and sixteen September, late September, I put
Speaker 1: together a very unique expedition. We dubbed it Operation Sea Monkey.
Speaker 1: You may have heard of it. We raised some money
Speaker 1: to and put together a team. It was real who's
Speaker 1: who I think? You know. I had very little time
Speaker 1: to put it together, but I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: get names such as Ron moorehead Gunner Monson with Sasquatch Coffee.
Speaker 1: We had Thomas Steinberg, a renowned author and researcher from
Speaker 1: British Columbia, and Tom Seawood some others. That we had
Speaker 1: total of six team members in an eight total, including
Speaker 1: two videographers cameramen that we had brought with us as well.
Speaker 1: And what we did was to charter a fifty foot
Speaker 1: trawler out of Campbell River on Vancouver Island and British Columbia.
Speaker 1: What we had learned is the Native Americans north of
Speaker 1: there inhabited some islands known as the BroadOn Archipelago. And
Speaker 1: this is a cluster of nearly one hundred small islands.
Speaker 1: They're forested islands, very unique, rocky forested islands, some very small,
Speaker 1: others there's a few that are pretty good sized. But
Speaker 1: literally the archipelago is so thick with islands in the
Speaker 1: northern stretch along that that's that that straight that western
Speaker 1: street there that some claim that a good swimmer and
Speaker 1: even some of the wildlife could literally swim from the
Speaker 1: mainland of British Columbia through the islands obviously resting between
Speaker 1: and and quite possibly reached Vancouver Island. And so we thought,
Speaker 1: what better place to go to than these uninhabited islands
Speaker 1: that were once inhabited by the quakwa Quiwalk tribe hundreds
Speaker 1: of years ago. And the objective was in this case
Speaker 1: a short term expedition just to basically look at the
Speaker 1: feasibility of doing a much longer one, one, being perhaps
Speaker 1: three months in length at the time, I owned a
Speaker 1: coastal cruising about forty foot yacht that I had lived
Speaker 1: on for several years and my term my thought was
Speaker 1: when I retired from the army, to take it up,
Speaker 1: to cruise it up to British Columbia and spend an
Speaker 1: entire summer searching the coastlines, both the mainland and the island,
Speaker 1: but those islands in between. Specifically, in this case, we
Speaker 1: only had about a week to do this exploratory expedition
Speaker 1: again just to look at the feasibility of getting up
Speaker 1: there in all the logistics that it would involved to
Speaker 1: go up there a longer term. So every what we
Speaker 1: did is every evening we would we traveled probably seventy
Speaker 1: miles north of Campbell River through the Johnson Straits, and
Speaker 1: we had two inflatable zodiacs that we could use to
Speaker 1: leave the quote unquote mothership, if you will, and day
Speaker 1: every day we would visit a for an island. We
Speaker 1: would anchor offshore, take the zodiacs to the beach, look
Speaker 1: for areas where we thought they may access the beaches
Speaker 1: to collect clams, shellfish, cockles, mussels and whatnot which had
Speaker 1: just come into season about late September early October and
Speaker 1: so we would take shifts every night throughout the night
Speaker 1: using some very expensive infrared an infrared camera and wash
Speaker 1: the shoreline because we the stories we had heard from
Speaker 1: the natives where they would access the beaches at night
Speaker 1: and dig these clams up. So I would take maybe
Speaker 1: midnight to two am and wake up run Morehead he
Speaker 1: would do two to four, he'd wake up you know,
Speaker 1: Thomas Steamer, he'd do four to six. And we'd do
Speaker 1: this around o'clock. And during the day we'd go ashore
Speaker 1: looking for tracks, any sort of evidence we could find.
Speaker 1: We would set up game cameras. I carried a kid
Speaker 1: of four seismic ground sensors that would trigger if they
Speaker 1: were if they detected any vibration in the ground, and
Speaker 1: send a signal back to the to the triller we
Speaker 1: were on. So it was a great exercise that we
Speaker 1: were again. We spent I think a total of six
Speaker 1: days investigating five different islands. We had a great time,
Speaker 1: a lot of work, and we came away believing that
Speaker 1: we can in the future do a much longer, much
Speaker 1: longer expedition up there. I should say the actual original
Speaker 1: concept game from Peter Burn. I'm sure most of your
Speaker 1: listeners probably recognize him as one of the pioneer researchers
Speaker 1: in the big foot field. Yeah half the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Peter passed away about about two years ago this month
Speaker 1: at the age of well, he was just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks shy of ninety eight years old. But Peter
Speaker 1: lived on the on the coast in Oregon in a
Speaker 1: town of Pacific City, and he came up with this
Speaker 1: idea of us going out in a large inflatable out
Speaker 1: into the ocean from an estuary of the Salmon River
Speaker 1: just north of Lincoln City and south of Pacific City
Speaker 1: where he lived. And so he contracted this guy that
Speaker 1: had this this it must have been about a twenty
Speaker 1: five foot inflatable with a center console, and we all
Speaker 1: jumped in at the docks in the river and we
Speaker 1: literally went straight out of the mouth of the river
Speaker 1: into the ocean, and we cruised several miles north and
Speaker 1: south looking at that time for different avenues of ingress
Speaker 1: should Bigfoot want to access the coast, and we found
Speaker 1: a number of places that were completely uninhabited, absolutely wild
Speaker 1: accesses where we could see trails that would come down
Speaker 1: to the beach game trails. So it's kind of where
Speaker 1: I stole the idea because that was done I think
Speaker 1: a couple of years before that. But anyway, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we've got to as researchers think
Speaker 1: outside the box. And like I say, nobody's got it
Speaker 1: right yet, so why not.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's awesome. Oh no, I'm sorry, Uh nah, I'm
Speaker 2: listening and everything. I was just away from the phone,
Speaker 2: all right, William.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, Now this is interesting because you know
Speaker 3: you're talking about you know, when we experiment and try
Speaker 3: these different techniques, you know, like you said, thinking outside
Speaker 3: the box.
Speaker 2: I mean, over the years, I've had my share of
Speaker 2: receiving criticism over what I've done, even in recent times
Speaker 2: with my group when we go camping and we go exploring.
Speaker 2: You know, people see the video footage. One of the
Speaker 2: couple that comes with me, one of my team members,
Speaker 2: David David and Melissa Lester. You know David, he's also
Speaker 2: retired from the army and also from the local one
Speaker 2: of the local police departments here. He's got two he's
Speaker 2: got two careers that he's retired from. He's currently six
Speaker 2: around sixty five years old. And uh, you know, David Wilsa,
Speaker 2: they have a German shepherd. I remember when they first
Speaker 2: started bringing the jury. You know. Her name's Luna by
Speaker 2: the way, and she's two years old. We love having
Speaker 2: her out there. It's interesting because we've had her in
Speaker 2: several different locations out there and you know, just to
Speaker 2: watch her become alert to what's out there, you know,
Speaker 2: because a lot of it's.
Speaker 1: New to her.
Speaker 2: But she's she's becoming accustomed, she's getting you know, she's
Speaker 2: getting really used to, you know, being out there with us.
Speaker 2: And she does a great job. And so one of
Speaker 2: the one of the criticism remarks I got from one
Speaker 2: individual and I never thought I would get this from anybody,
Speaker 2: but I did, and it's like, yeah, you guys are
Speaker 2: going out there with a group of people and you
Speaker 2: got you got a dog with you. You're not going
Speaker 2: to find nothing with dog. I was like, what is this,
Speaker 2: I mean, especially and they go on and say like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no hunting done with dogs from where I'm originally from. Yes,
Speaker 2: even down here in the on the East coast in
Speaker 2: the south hunters, there's bear hunters. They run your dogs
Speaker 2: for bear hunters up nor if you can run dogs
Speaker 2: for deer unlike that here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they use an Oregon for for hunting down cougar
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. But I've heard that argument. I've
Speaker 1: heard that argument before, and I've it seems to me
Speaker 1: that more times than not that dogs refuse to to
Speaker 1: trail these things. And I that's just my experience that
Speaker 1: there seems to be perhaps a love hate relationship between
Speaker 1: canines and the sasquatch or bigfoot. And it may go
Speaker 1: back just to the fact that in more primal times
Speaker 1: that they were direct competitors for the same resources, the
Speaker 1: same game that they would be in carnivores both, that
Speaker 1: they would have to compete with each other. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Daniel, that's a good question. What's been
Speaker 1: your experience.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's just ever since we've had Luna
Speaker 2: with us, you know, it just mainly sitting around the
Speaker 2: base camp is when we more we more or less
Speaker 2: pay attention to her because you know where our base
Speaker 2: camp is. You know, of course we're surrounded by the woods.
Speaker 2: But our base camp where we've been camping lately, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it is on the edge of an open field.
Speaker 2: Of course, the fields surrounded by the National Force, all
Speaker 2: the woods and everything, but you know, of course, canine'es
Speaker 2: they pick up things and they send things that we
Speaker 2: don't always sense, and like a lot of times we
Speaker 2: do try to pay attention to her, even though when
Speaker 2: we're when we're sitting around the base camp, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, enjoying the campfire or just shooting ship whatever
Speaker 2: it may be. You know, you either she stops and
Speaker 2: looks in a certain direction, or she might start have
Speaker 2: this low little grawl, you know, like she's growling at
Speaker 2: something like what the heck she's picking up on? You know, well,
Speaker 2: that's great thing, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well it's what dogs. Dogs are not only very naturally intuitive,
Speaker 1: but their senses are far more attuned, a lot more
Speaker 1: i should say, acute than ours. For instance, dogs can
Speaker 1: hear between well humans here, between twenty herts and twenty
Speaker 1: thousand herts generally speaking, with few exceptions, dogs can hear
Speaker 1: as low as fifteen herts and as high as thirty
Speaker 1: five herds. So, for instance, when you blow a dog whistle,
Speaker 1: it just sounds like, you know, nothing, like we're blowing air,
Speaker 1: but dogs hear that because it produces a very high
Speaker 1: pitched whistle above that twenty thousand hertz range. So it's
Speaker 1: great to have a companion with you that has the
Speaker 1: ability to dick to detect things that are outside of
Speaker 1: our brain of hearing as well, a dog can hear.
Speaker 1: Dogs can hear ten times better than humans. And I
Speaker 1: take it back now dogs dogs can hear ranges above
Speaker 1: and below human hearing. But at the same time, they
Speaker 1: can smell. Their smell detection is ten times that of
Speaker 1: a human. So imagine whatever you smell, they can smell
Speaker 1: it ten times farther away. So it just makes sense,
Speaker 1: especially I would say perhaps in a camp setting to
Speaker 1: have them along just for you know, as a century
Speaker 1: years as an animal that's going to be able to
Speaker 1: alert you should anything happen that maybe you may or
Speaker 1: may not be aware of. So I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with that. I'm just thinking in the field, when
Speaker 1: you're on the move tracking Personally, I wouldn't take a
Speaker 1: dog in the field, And by that I mean when
Speaker 1: you're tracking around, but around camp went on. But that's
Speaker 1: just my two.
Speaker 2: Cents, right, I mean, like I said, it's fun having
Speaker 2: her there. She's a pleasure. She's you know, she's a
Speaker 2: pleasure to have there. You know, most deadly she is
Speaker 2: she's a really well behaved dog, you know, And a
Speaker 2: lot of that comes from David's training, David and Melissa
Speaker 2: David when he was when he was in the army.
Speaker 2: That was part of his assignment. He was training canines
Speaker 2: in the army. You know, Yeah, she was, she was
Speaker 2: well behaved. She is a well behaved dog, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course she's you know, we've got to
Speaker 2: keep a leash and everything, because I mean, in this
Speaker 2: trict of video, the coyotes, there's tons of deer. I
Speaker 2: mean at nighttime when we're sitting around the camp, you know,
Speaker 2: we're observing with our night vision or our frmal flurs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're picking up deer and everything all surrounding you know,
Speaker 2: the camp area. So and then plus we've got bobcats around.
Speaker 2: I know there's bobcats around this particular. I've got one
Speaker 2: of my trail camera that was out there and we
Speaker 2: and we have reason to believe, even though they deny it.
Speaker 2: Here on the East Coast, there's mountain lions here. But
Speaker 2: your your game departments and your authorities will done, I am.
Speaker 2: But there's so many hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of eyewitnesses,
Speaker 2: especially in the area we're focusing in right now, this area.
Speaker 2: It's in Virginia, but it's not far from the West
Speaker 2: Virginia line. But yeah, there's many eyewitnesses accounts of mountain
Speaker 2: lions in this area, and yeah, we get that.
Speaker 1: We get that here as well. In Arkansas there I
Speaker 1: have literally seen photographs that have been taken on game cameras, uh,
Speaker 1: and they've been brought to the attention of authorities, and
Speaker 1: and like you say, fishing game, they will deny that.
Speaker 1: I think for what they're really kind of tinging on
Speaker 1: is that there was not an established breeding population of them,
Speaker 1: but they are aware that. In fact, there was an
Speaker 1: article a couple of months back in the Newton County
Speaker 1: Times where the author said that in twenty five years
Speaker 1: that there have been twenty three established in other words,
Speaker 1: officially recognized sightings of cougar mountain lion in Arkansas, so
Speaker 1: almost one a year. And those are the ones that
Speaker 1: they say, yeah, we're okay, we can't deny it, We've
Speaker 1: got the evidence. But I think their point is that
Speaker 1: there may be some some single individuals, but not a
Speaker 1: very large breeding population that would necessarily have them be
Speaker 1: officially established as an indigenous species. In the area. But
Speaker 1: they're out there, I guarantee, and of course where I
Speaker 1: lived in Oregon they were everywhere.
Speaker 2: So but anyway, yeah, you know out of the Pacific northwest, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're widely acknowledged up there. And then of course if
Speaker 2: you drop all the way down to the south southeast
Speaker 2: coast here down in Florida, you get what they you know,
Speaker 2: they titled the Florida Panther, which is well acknowledge down there.
Speaker 2: And so you have them down south, you have them
Speaker 2: out west. But you know, my my thing is, they
Speaker 2: puzzled me why they are going to deny them here
Speaker 2: on the East coast. And the biggest thing I could
Speaker 2: come up with my conclusion, is that they don't want
Speaker 2: the public to know because they will cause or create
Speaker 2: the fear factor.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, you know, well, Daniel, for probably you
Speaker 1: probably just hit the nail on the head when it
Speaker 1: comes to Bigfoot as well. I think for the very
Speaker 1: same reasons that they do not want to acknowledge. What
Speaker 1: they probably already are aware of is that because they
Speaker 1: don't want to generate fear, they don't want to cause
Speaker 1: undue stress. You know, people ask me, do you think
Speaker 1: the government knows about them. Well, I'm not a conspiratoriist,
Speaker 1: and I don't believe they are necessarily hiding things from us.
Speaker 1: But there's a difference between hiding something, you know, intentionally
Speaker 1: hiding something versus admitting something. And I think in the
Speaker 1: case of the government, you know, it all comes down
Speaker 1: to consequence, right, or probably better said no consequence, because
Speaker 1: when you put it on a scale, if I were
Speaker 1: the government, and I've got this scale on this side,
Speaker 1: if I say something, if I bring this information that
Speaker 1: we have with regards to Bigfoot in this case too
Speaker 1: public attention, there are going to be consequence. There are
Speaker 1: going to be repercussions. And they really don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they probably uh role played that out this scenario,
Speaker 1: what would what could possibly go wrong here? But the
Speaker 1: bottom line is there would be some fairly severe consequences. Now,
Speaker 1: on this hand, I have a different button to push,
Speaker 1: and that's a different choice to make, and that's to
Speaker 1: say nothing, and to say nothing comes with you've got
Speaker 1: it zero consequences. So given those two choices, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a very it's a lot easier to side
Speaker 1: on a let's just say nothing and then not worry
Speaker 1: about the consequences until that time comes where they're not
Speaker 1: going to have a choice but to deal with it.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those one of those taboo things
Speaker 1: that that you know, it's that third rail of science
Speaker 1: that nobody wants to step on unless they absolutely have to.
Speaker 1: And I firmly believe that that's what's going on. There's
Speaker 1: two any civilians out there, you and me included, that
Speaker 1: that know the truth. So to say that with all
Speaker 1: the sciences we have, and especially with the technology they
Speaker 1: have at their disposal, excuse me that that they they're
Speaker 1: not aware of them. I think they are.
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