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Speaker 4: Hope everybody had a great year as this is the
Speaker 4: finale for twenty twenty four and our guest Andrew will
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Speaker 4: And without any further ado, let's bring on our guests.
Speaker 4: By the way, should I call you Andrew or Andy?
Speaker 1: Andrew?
Speaker 4: Please, Andrew, it's great to meet you, joining us from Minnesota,
Speaker 4: and I appreciate your patience as we're finally able to
Speaker 4: get you here on the podcast and to close out
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Thanks for joining us, and please do
Speaker 4: introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. George been a fan of the
Speaker 1: podcast for a while now. But my name is Andrew
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. And yeah, like the rest of you and
Speaker 1: the listeners, I have kind of recently a few years ago,
Speaker 1: discovered that Earth's flat.
Speaker 4: Biggest question. I'm sorry, I didn't know if you were
Speaker 4: done or no?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 4: No, I was going to ask you. You know you
Speaker 4: said this came upon you a few years ago. I
Speaker 4: think in your email you'd said it's been about three
Speaker 4: years or so, was this the first rabbit hole you
Speaker 4: fell into, or had you been researching other things before
Speaker 4: you came upon flat Earth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this was not the first. One of the
Speaker 1: first ones was the Hollow Earth. Actually, Admiral Burden and
Speaker 1: that story if you're familiar with that, absolutely, And then
Speaker 1: of course everybody's favorite seems like is the the moon
Speaker 1: landing or the fake moon landing? And then uh, it's
Speaker 1: started off as I just used to think it was
Speaker 1: funny how globers and flat earthers were in chat rooms
Speaker 1: and just across the internet, we're just going after each other,
Speaker 1: and how people get so worked up about it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. And of course at the time,
Speaker 1: I never even had considered that the Earth could be flat.
Speaker 1: I had done no research, and I just thought, probably
Speaker 1: like everyone else, that of course the Earth's globe, that's
Speaker 1: that's duh. You know, you don't even think twice about
Speaker 1: that stuff. But then so the joke let me down
Speaker 1: the flat earth rabbit hole. And then as I did
Speaker 1: more and more research, I was like, holy crap. I
Speaker 1: was like, and uh, I kind of hesitate to tell
Speaker 1: anybody about it, because, as you probably well know, you
Speaker 1: got to choose your audience with that subject.
Speaker 4: You really do, and.
Speaker 1: I was not.
Speaker 4: Out of all the things that ran through my mind,
Speaker 4: that wasn't one of them. I was so excited to
Speaker 4: share that with my audience on my other podcast, and
Speaker 4: boy was my email my email full the next day.
Speaker 4: So I figured that out pretty quickly. I wanted to
Speaker 4: go back real quick before we get too far ahead.
Speaker 4: When you were researching Holloworth, I never went super deep
Speaker 4: into that, obviously. I've heard the stories and the interview
Speaker 4: with Admiral Byrd and all the stories when you were
Speaker 4: going down that rabbit hole? Did it? A lot of
Speaker 4: people who research Holloworth kind of fall into the reptilian
Speaker 4: one as well as that something that you would come across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did come across that. That was not uh
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me or or believable as the fact
Speaker 1: that Admiral Bird got escorted his plane escorted by flying
Speaker 1: saucers with Swasikas on them, and that story goes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some remnants of a of a of German or
Speaker 1: civilization that lives in the hollow earth.
Speaker 4: Right, and that explains new Man. I can't think I
Speaker 4: can't remember the name of it, but the Germans had
Speaker 4: a base in Antarctica prior to World War Two in
Speaker 4: the in the early to mid nineteen thirties, New Braunfels
Speaker 4: or something like that. It escapes my mind.
Speaker 1: Right now, that sounds correct.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, no, the Yeah. Then the other ideas were
Speaker 1: that that maybe where Hitler fled to during the war,
Speaker 1: and that there's some sort of underground or in under
Speaker 1: earth there tunnels are portals if you will, that can
Speaker 1: take you all over the planet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. By the way, New Schwabenland I think
Speaker 4: was the name of it here and I'll have that
Speaker 4: link in the notes. Yeah, that is interesting because there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people who argue that Argentina was a
Speaker 4: diversion and that he it's interesting. History. As we know,
Speaker 4: it is skewed, right, the victors write the history books.
Speaker 4: But it always fascinated me that Germany after how bankrupt
Speaker 4: they were, Like there's pictures I think in the late twenties,
Speaker 4: maybe even nineteen thirty, of people walking down the streets
Speaker 4: with wheelbears full of cash like and it wasn't worth
Speaker 4: a dime. And and then a few years later they
Speaker 4: have a base in Antarctica and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you know, World War two breaks out of It is
Speaker 4: a very interesting time in history that I certainly believe
Speaker 4: that they hide the truth about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you dig deep a little bit onto
Speaker 1: that there's a theory or a story that goes the
Speaker 1: US government in some way funded Hitler's rise to power
Speaker 1: and then basically that funded the Nazi regime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, and IBM did as well. I think
Speaker 4: it's ig Farbin, which played a large part in the
Speaker 4: industrial rise of uh, you know, Germany post Weimar and
Speaker 4: their industrial rise, the creation of the v W, the
Speaker 4: Autubah and uh you know, about as quickly as they rose,
Speaker 4: they fell. But it is an interesting time period that
Speaker 4: has a lot of interesting twists and and plot holes
Speaker 4: in it. And then, you know, as they say in Hollywood,
Speaker 4: they create a certain narrative to lead you down a
Speaker 4: kind of a different road. And you know, you were
Speaker 4: just talking about the moon landing was one of the
Speaker 4: things that you kind of researched and kind of I
Speaker 4: assume led you to flat Earth. You know, it's a
Speaker 4: shame Stanley Stanley Kubrick didn't get an Academy Award for
Speaker 4: that Moon Landing movie in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, allegedly, I mean yeah, depending on who you ask.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that guy's got a lot of interesting connections.
Speaker 4: Eyes wide shut was I think that was the movie
Speaker 4: that was based on the Rothschild's party in England in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three and Warner brother Warner Brothers executives saw
Speaker 4: it in a hotel and they flipped out, and then
Speaker 4: he was dead the next morning and they ended up
Speaker 4: cutting out like thirty minutes of the film.
Speaker 1: And then have you seen that the supposed video of
Speaker 1: Kubrick after his death, him admitting that he filmed the
Speaker 1: moon landing?
Speaker 4: You know, I have. I'm not sure, yes I have.
Speaker 4: I mean to answer your question, yes, whether or not
Speaker 4: that was created by someone else. But I fully believe
Speaker 4: there's a picture of there's like four or five people
Speaker 4: a Kubrick. I want to say it was Von Brown
Speaker 4: and a couple other people within the space you know,
Speaker 4: very very high ranking in the space agencies that were
Speaker 4: with him. That picture is one hundred percent legit and
Speaker 4: was taken I think either in sixty seven or sixty eight,
Speaker 4: and I think it was probably if I remember correctly,
Speaker 4: you know, that infamous year of nineteen sixty eight, which
Speaker 4: is when they started building the World Trade Center towers
Speaker 4: and the Jets won the Super Bowl. I think that
Speaker 4: was the year two thousand and one of Space Odyssey
Speaker 4: came out, and I think it was so ahead of
Speaker 4: its time. That was his resume, you know, to lead
Speaker 4: the chart on the moon landing production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's That's how I understand it too.
Speaker 4: It's interesting stuff kind of what was Was it a website?
Speaker 4: Was it a YouTube channel? But when you started your research,
Speaker 4: where were you looking and what evidence that was produced
Speaker 4: to you that really led you to believe that we
Speaker 4: weren't on a spinning ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't tell you the exact spot, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was, like I said, I used to not chat rooms,
Speaker 1: I guess because those aren't really a thing anymore, but
Speaker 1: probably like Twitter, Reddit or something where I used to.
Speaker 1: I just like to laugh at the back and forth
Speaker 1: between the you know, the glovers. What do you call
Speaker 1: them glovers? I don't want to use some people I've
Speaker 1: heard globe chard, which I thought was kind of kind
Speaker 1: of mean, kind of unnecessary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, I call them globers. I guess you know,
Speaker 4: I try to, you know, I you know, Bill Cooper
Speaker 4: used to term sheeple, and I try not to use
Speaker 4: anything that's condescending towards other people because I was a
Speaker 4: walking zombie for much of my life as well, you know,
Speaker 4: just I accepted the world as it was produced to me.
Speaker 4: So we should treat everyone with the same respect. And
Speaker 4: all we can do is lead them to water. It's
Speaker 4: up to them to do what they do with the information.
Speaker 4: But I don't. I don't like to be condescending to people.
Speaker 4: But you know, your your your pro globe people and
Speaker 4: your pro flat earth people, I guess.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, in the same way, there's no reason
Speaker 1: to get nasty because you disagree on something. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's tough to lead people to this subject
Speaker 1: because you don't want to. You don't want to look
Speaker 1: like an idiot, because that's what a lot of people
Speaker 1: will look at you as if you bring this up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also if you're condescending to them, they'll shut down,
Speaker 4: they won't even listen to you.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that though from watching, you know,
Speaker 1: reading and the research and all the back and forth,
Speaker 1: is that the the globe believers seem to get way
Speaker 1: more emotional about this subject. And there they seem to
Speaker 1: be the ones quick to, you know, using derogatory or
Speaker 1: insults against flat earthers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you when you look at the way
Speaker 4: that like flat Earth Dave presents something, and then you
Speaker 4: look at the other guy, what was his name, Professor Dave,
Speaker 4: where he is just strictly condescending and if you don't
Speaker 4: agree with everything he says, then you're just a dummy
Speaker 4: and he doesn't have the time of day for you.
Speaker 4: And that's just you know, nobody voted for him to
Speaker 4: be the end all be all of questions about our realm.
Speaker 4: We're all entitled to our beliefs. There's people out I
Speaker 4: get emails all the time. There's stole, a lot of
Speaker 4: people who believe in Holloworth flat Earth. There's people who
Speaker 4: want to be convinced of flat Earth. They'll email me
Speaker 4: and say, hey, I really want to be a flat earther,
Speaker 4: but can you explain X y Z. And I'm like, look,
Speaker 4: you know, we have three hundred hours of information presented
Speaker 4: to you. It's up to you to take that information
Speaker 4: and research for yourself. I don't want to be the
Speaker 4: one I don't want to convince I'm not a salesman, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not selling you a car, I'm not selling you
Speaker 4: a vacuum cleaner. I'm not a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman.
Speaker 4: I'm just presenting my opinion and what I believe. And
Speaker 4: the reason that is is because I've seen firsthand through
Speaker 4: my time in the military and other ventures, that the
Speaker 4: game is rigged and we are being lied to in
Speaker 4: epic proportions. And I did enough research to understand that.
Speaker 4: You know, for many I believed the moon landing was rigged,
Speaker 4: So why didn't I Why didn't I have an open
Speaker 4: mind too that maybe we weren't on.
Speaker 1: A globe, so you uh, you were able to believe
Speaker 1: the moon landing was fake, but not weren't quite ready
Speaker 1: for flat Earth at the time. Well, it's.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to, so it's not. It
Speaker 4: never even really came on my radar, like I guess
Speaker 4: if I saw it in all my studies, I just
Speaker 4: scooted it past it. I thought, well, that's just you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I picture a flat Earth or of some
Speaker 4: guy that was, you know, living in a cabin in
Speaker 4: a mountain three thousand miles from the closest you know,
Speaker 4: other person. I just didn't give it a second of thought,
Speaker 4: Like like you if I was on Reddit or something
Speaker 4: and I saw something flat Earth, I just kind of
Speaker 4: laughed and I thought, you know, now that's crazy, and
Speaker 4: I just didn't realize I didn't have the wherewithal to
Speaker 4: understand that we're being lied about basically everything.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, see, that's when you start down one rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: whether it's the moon landing or even hollow Earth or
Speaker 1: any conspiracies it seemed to then you have one leads
Speaker 1: to another, and then that's pretty much how I got
Speaker 1: to flat Earth. And then uh yeah, doing the research,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap. I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: really believe that I believe in this right now, but
Speaker 1: you know, you're It's taught me that we should trust
Speaker 1: our senses more and not believe everything that you read,
Speaker 1: and certainly not believe everything that you're told.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. That was one of my biggest takeaways
Speaker 4: as well. And I want to preface this statement with
Speaker 4: once again, I'm not taking a shot at teachers. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about the system that is in place. Teach is
Speaker 4: a very noble profession, but I too, like going through school,
Speaker 4: we would be presented with helio centrism, and there were
Speaker 4: some things that didn't make sense to me, which says,
Speaker 4: you know, my sense is it didn't feel right, but
Speaker 4: I didn't number one year younger. A lot of people
Speaker 4: are afraid to ask questions in school to be made
Speaker 4: fun of. Right, We've all experienced that in school, so
Speaker 4: you just kind of run with it. And right, it's
Speaker 4: people that are smarter than you. Right, the teacher turns
Speaker 4: on the projector and there's Neil de grass Tyson or
Speaker 4: you know, Joe Astrama or PhD. He's got a PhD
Speaker 4: from Arizona State and Penn State. And you're like, well,
Speaker 4: guys a lot smarter than me, So I just better
Speaker 4: accept it. But then you understand and twenty twenty proved
Speaker 4: this that most of these things have an end state
Speaker 4: that ends with a dollar sign. That's why you know
Speaker 4: Ffiser that were making four billion dollars a quarter during
Speaker 4: the you know, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And then as things fizzled out, they're stock bottomed out.
Speaker 4: So there's money to be made in everything in the world.
Speaker 4: What's in the news today, Andrew. It's the government funding, right,
Speaker 4: and they were up against the wall to get passed.
Speaker 4: If people want funding, they have to be deemed important, right.
Speaker 4: How you know, if you put an asteroid into Google,
Speaker 4: you'll there'll be a recent story about an asteroid that
Speaker 4: is somewhere near the Earth. Just go to Google and
Speaker 4: put it in. So they have to be wanted, they
Speaker 4: have to be important in order to get that funding,
Speaker 4: and the almighty dollar plays a big part of it,
Speaker 4: other than the Grand Scheme, which we know is deception. Right.
Speaker 1: And that's probably the most upsetting thing that I've learned
Speaker 1: after doing all this research, is that especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to like say NASA, so if they're they can't
Speaker 1: get to they're just taking all of our taxpayer's money
Speaker 1: and doing god knows what with it exactly.
Speaker 4: And we see every week, you know, and anybody who
Speaker 4: drives here in Minnesota, maybe you're near Minneapolis or Saint Paul,
Speaker 4: we have a you know, if I drive up to Wilmington,
Speaker 4: you see the condition of some of these cities and
Speaker 4: how our own you know, citizens here are being neglected.
Speaker 4: Then you turn on the news and there's forty million
Speaker 4: dollars for this country and I dive much deeper than that.
Speaker 4: I look through the major nonprofits. Go look at the
Speaker 4: Carnegie Go to Google everybody and put in the Carnegie
Speaker 4: Foundation nine ninety, put in the Bill and Melinda Gates
Speaker 4: Foundation nine ninety, and then put in the Rockefeller Foundation
Speaker 4: nine ninety. The numbers that you see there are numbers
Speaker 4: that you can't even comprehend. And then when you scroll
Speaker 4: down and look to see where the money goes and
Speaker 4: how people who are involved in this air quote nonprofit,
Speaker 4: you know they're getting paid handsomely. It's all it's all
Speaker 4: a rig scheme. And now you know, while you were talking,
Speaker 4: I went to Google and put in asteroid.
Speaker 1: Now they're.
Speaker 4: You know how they're pushing for like carbon taxes. And
Speaker 4: here in Delaware, we're not allowed to have plastic bags
Speaker 4: at the at the you know, if you go to
Speaker 4: the Dollar store, Walmart, they all have to be paper bags.
Speaker 4: We have paper straws and all the other nonsense. Well,
Speaker 4: now they're pushing they they want a greener outer space.
Speaker 4: The Washington Post wrote an article five hours ago, how
Speaker 4: we need to keep space clean from all the space junk.
Speaker 4: We need to go out there and keep our space clean.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you watch videos of the iss
Speaker 1: or moonwalks, it looks pretty clean if they're working it
Speaker 1: up in space there.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a McDonald samburger wrapper floating by watching that,
Speaker 4: have you.
Speaker 1: Nope, it certainly not in or a satellite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. What are the things you never
Speaker 4: really see? You never see stars, you never see satellites.
Speaker 4: And then there's a website forgive me, I don't know
Speaker 4: what off the top of my head, but if you
Speaker 4: go to it, it shows you all the satellites that
Speaker 4: that are, you know, that's orbiting the Earth, and it's
Speaker 4: just it looks like a like a city population or
Speaker 4: like you know, Dave's app that's got the people find
Speaker 4: or all the blue dots. It looks like that. But
Speaker 4: you know, you got this thing flying supposedly seventeen thousand,
Speaker 4: five hundred miles an hour. People are just floating out
Speaker 4: there as seamless as can be and not a thing
Speaker 4: in sight.
Speaker 1: Makes perfect sense when you say it like that, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think the last number I saw was nine
Speaker 1: nine hundred satellites supposedly in orbit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've been since. Do you remember when the
Speaker 4: first satellite. Was it fifties or sixties?
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it was. I feel like it was
Speaker 1: the fifties. But what was the first satellite was Sputneck.
Speaker 1: Is that a satellite?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the Russian one. The first artificial satellite
Speaker 4: to orbit Earth was Sputnik one, launched by the Soviet
Speaker 4: Union October fourth, nineteen fifty seven. They claim it was
Speaker 4: about the size of a beach ball and it speed
Speaker 4: was eighteen thousand miles per hour. And that's what I
Speaker 4: don't get right. I remember I used to sell satellite
Speaker 4: dishes back in the nineties between my break and service,
Speaker 4: but I never went on installations. However, when we got
Speaker 4: to Iraq, I think was our second tour, we got
Speaker 4: this something bird satellite system and I went up on
Speaker 4: the roof and you have to put it like exactly
Speaker 4: to this certain degree you know, maybe it was fifty
Speaker 4: eight degrees or something, and it took a lot of
Speaker 4: effort to get it exactly right. And I'm like, wait
Speaker 4: a second, it And I actually thought and like I
Speaker 4: would think these things, but just go about my day
Speaker 4: and put it in the filing cabinet forget about it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, if we're spinning at a thousand. Well, I
Speaker 4: just didn't I didn't know how much. I just thought,
Speaker 4: if we're spinning and kind of you know, all these
Speaker 4: things are, if satellites are orbiting the Earth, why do
Speaker 4: I have to have this exact measurement? Now there's some
Speaker 4: guy right now who's at home saying, oh, you dummy,
Speaker 4: it's because of X y Z.
Speaker 1: But sure, But would you'd think, yeah, and if the
Speaker 1: satellite's move in, you'd think you'd be constantly adjusting that thing.
Speaker 4: Right, or it would have some kind of sensor on
Speaker 4: it that could kind of rotate and follow it or something.
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I would think.
Speaker 4: Now, now I have to I should dig this podcast
Speaker 4: up and play it so on my fact Hunder podcast
Speaker 4: in I want to say it was a spring of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. There was a gentleman who came on
Speaker 4: anonymously and he claimed that there was no such thing
Speaker 4: as satellites, but they were actually bouncing signals off the
Speaker 4: firmament at a certain angle, and that's how those things worked.
Speaker 1: I've been not heard that one, but it's interesting to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 4: It is, and you know, I thought about it. You know,
Speaker 4: I think that the highest anyone's been is what seventy
Speaker 4: three miles? And I think that was a go fast rocket.
Speaker 4: I don't know how high the firmament is, so it's
Speaker 4: really hard to say. But something like that bouncing it off,
Speaker 4: you know, because it is solid. You know a lot
Speaker 4: of people think it's ice like to me, makes more
Speaker 4: sense than the satellite dish to orbiting satellite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes more sense to me as well. That's
Speaker 1: so where was it? Oh? Yeah, man, that's the other
Speaker 1: thing too, since for talking about in space, space is
Speaker 1: supposedly a vacuum. So how can you have a vacuum
Speaker 1: next to a pressurized system like the Earth, the atmosphere?
Speaker 1: We have what's the what's the pressure? Four pounds square
Speaker 1: square anything like that.
Speaker 4: It's something like that. And again it's not feasible.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 4: It's just not feasible. It doesn't make sense. And these
Speaker 4: are the things, uh that are questioned and are brought
Speaker 4: up to people. But that's where like the pseudoscience comes in.
Speaker 4: They'll they'll just make hypothetical guesses. But everything based on
Speaker 4: heliocentrism is hypothesis and and educated guesses.
Speaker 1: It's funny to us, all a guy was using chat
Speaker 1: GPT talking about heliocentric model and the geocentric model, and
Speaker 1: you got chat GBT to basically admit that the heliocentric
Speaker 1: model is a was derived from the geocentric model.
Speaker 4: Isn't that funny? Sometimes you can catch AI to be
Speaker 4: in too, honest, I've seen that before as well. And
Speaker 4: I always go back to the fact if you were
Speaker 4: to take someone who, let's say, came out of a
Speaker 4: coma and they have no memory of anything, and you
Speaker 4: present heliocentrism and geocentrism to them, I mean, they're going
Speaker 4: to think that the heliocentrism is like a practical joke.
Speaker 4: They're going to be looking for the cameras, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was wondered what what it would have been
Speaker 1: like if I was ever given the choice. Well, we
Speaker 1: were growing up and learning to pick which one makes
Speaker 1: more sense because they certainly don't teach you anything. If
Speaker 1: they say anything at all, The only thing they'll say
Speaker 1: about there's being flat is that, oh, that was a
Speaker 1: That's what our ancestors or the ancient people believe that
Speaker 1: didn't know any better.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting to me the Jesuit Copernicus, right,
Speaker 4: he kind of started pushing the heliocentric model. I want
Speaker 4: to say around fifteen thirty, and the Christopher Columbus story
Speaker 4: only predates that by thirty or forty years. And I'm
Speaker 4: shooting from the hip here, guys, I don't know the
Speaker 4: exact dates. I'm getting old now, I don't have the
Speaker 4: memory I used to. But part of the story of
Speaker 4: Columbus is, you know, all the sailors were afraid to
Speaker 4: embark on this expedition because they were afraid they were
Speaker 4: going to fall off the earth, right, because they thought
Speaker 4: the Earth was flat back then. But we have in
Speaker 4: texts and I have a book somewhere around here that
Speaker 4: Martin Luther wrote. And Martin Luther in fifteen like thirty six,
Speaker 4: you know, he accused Copernicus of heresy for the heliocentric model.
Speaker 4: So I even, to be honest with you, I even
Speaker 4: question you know that the whole Columbus story, because you
Speaker 4: know the CC if A is one, B is two,
Speaker 4: C is three, there's your thirty three, which is kind
Speaker 4: of a tip to the illuminati in freemasonry. And then
Speaker 4: how they include that the flat earth portion into the story, right?
Speaker 1: And then have you seen all the maps from that
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds, and then up until even that in
Speaker 1: the US, I think the late fifties, you can find
Speaker 1: the maps that they had in the library in school
Speaker 1: were flat earth maps. In what year was that, I
Speaker 1: think of in nineteen and fifty eight, I think it's
Speaker 1: about the time they yanked all the evidence of flat
Speaker 1: earth maps and replaced it with what we have today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right. Fifty eight was about the time,
Speaker 4: because fifty eight was also the Antarctic Treaty, if I'm
Speaker 4: not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Yep. I thought about going to check my local library
Speaker 1: even for an old Encyclopedia Britannica, because in there and
Speaker 1: some of the old ones you've probably seen this as well,
Speaker 1: that it gives the height of a Firmament's.
Speaker 4: Right, That's right, And I have that saved somewhere the
Speaker 4: picture and it even, yeah, it gives the the like
Speaker 4: it was like fifty eight degrees at thirteen thousand feet
Speaker 4: or something like that, right.
Speaker 1: Yep, something like that. So then from there then then
Speaker 1: you could use that or I've seen it used to
Speaker 1: figure the height at the north pole or at the
Speaker 1: highest point. I can't recall what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I got to go back to where where
Speaker 4: I bookmark that, because if you go on to Google
Speaker 4: and you try to find that picture that I know
Speaker 4: what's on YouTube. There's a guy who took a YouTube
Speaker 4: video of it, and I want to say it that there.
Speaker 4: Every now and when, pardon me, every now and then
Speaker 4: one of those Encyclopedia Britannicas will pop on eBay. But
Speaker 4: it is expensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder why that is.
Speaker 4: Because they know they have a piece of history that Okay,
Speaker 4: you're right now. Nineteen fifty eight Encyclopedia Britannica documents a
Speaker 4: dome of thirteen thousand feet in Antarctica. And I'll put
Speaker 4: this in the show notes too. It's a quick YouTube
Speaker 4: video that shows the pictures. I've seen this several times,
Speaker 4: so yeah, good call.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I'm not going to find anything,
Speaker 1: probably at the local library, but you never know, because
Speaker 1: it is they do have a lot of old stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's this small little town, so probably maybe even
Speaker 1: it might be a good spot to look to find
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. Well, yeah, especially the older towns, right,
Speaker 4: they would be more apt to have those type of books.
Speaker 4: I doubt that a major city library would have something
Speaker 4: like that. I'm sure they clean them out regularly.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I would thank you. I'm from a little
Speaker 1: town way up Northnesda. But this town, I know, the
Speaker 1: town was founded free nineteen hundred eighteen ninety eight or something.
Speaker 4: Now are you up in the northern part or whereabouts?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 1: Well? Do you know where Hibbing is?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone knows. It probably is Bob Dylan's hometown. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: right near there.
Speaker 4: Yes, so you're okay, I got Youah.
Speaker 1: An hour or so from Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah you're up there. Oh yeah, you're further north than
Speaker 4: Grand Rapids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right between Grand Rapids and Hibbing.
Speaker 4: Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're it's it's up here. Yeah, you ask
Speaker 1: me why? Don't ask me why I'm still here?
Speaker 4: So what I guess the closest big city would be Dilute.
Speaker 4: That's what probably ninety minutes to the out the east of.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yep, it's just about that long. So yeah, are
Speaker 1: uh oh this uh? I thought this was kind of
Speaker 1: interesting that I learned later on the high school I
Speaker 1: went to. On the outside of the building, it's an
Speaker 1: old brick building, but there's over the doors, there's swastikas
Speaker 1: in the stonework really back from a time when when
Speaker 1: that used to mean.
Speaker 4: Peace, right, and but the the didn't the Indians use
Speaker 4: that also, And because you're you're near an Indian reservation too.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, a couple of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's interesting. I wonder if that go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't I've never heard of. Did you say,
Speaker 1: did the Natives use that symbol for something? I thought they?
Speaker 4: I know it was widely used in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 4: by a lot of different people. So the swastika has
Speaker 4: been used many indigenous cultures, including the hope I Navajo
Speaker 4: and the Pima. Yeah, I thought I remembered seeing that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's confirmed. Just because it was affiliated with the regime
Speaker 4: in the thirties is why it ceased to be used.
Speaker 4: But that was a widely used symbol prior to nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's used in as a religious symbols too. I
Speaker 1: think it's some religions, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. And again, you know, history is rewritten, and
Speaker 4: that's why it's important. Right. We've tried to do better,
Speaker 4: my wife and I to document the things that have
Speaker 4: happened over the last five years, and we want to
Speaker 4: pass it down to our children. So like you know,
Speaker 4: maybe well after, you know, after we're well and gone, right,
Speaker 4: we're passed on to the next world, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: and they try to push another twenty twenty on her
Speaker 4: great great grandchildren or whatever. Hopefully that book still exists
Speaker 4: and they won't allow the state to you know, close
Speaker 4: the churches down and everything that we saw a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago. Because if we just rely on you know,
Speaker 4: the history books and everything to mold our children, were
Speaker 4: making a huge mistake because we know the people who
Speaker 4: you know, I've done deep dives into the people who
Speaker 4: actually produce these textbooks, right Gazelle, what's her name, Gislayne
Speaker 4: Maxwell's father, she he I'm sorry, did owned McGraw hill
Speaker 4: for a big part of it, Leon Black from Apollo Management.
Speaker 4: He was directly affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein. So all these
Speaker 4: people who are producing our textbooks are not good people.
Speaker 4: And you can imagine that right that they're trying to
Speaker 4: manipulate our children's minds. So that's why it's so important.
Speaker 4: You know, after we've passed and we're in heaven rejoicing
Speaker 4: in God's kingdom with Christ that we continue to leave
Speaker 4: these things in place for our children, and I think
Speaker 4: that's part of we depend too much on others to
Speaker 4: you know, mold the minds of our children.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. That's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I yet to have children's because but it
Speaker 1: just seems to me that it's got to be tough
Speaker 1: to raise children in this world especially. I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't even hardly use textbooks anymore in school. I don't
Speaker 1: think everyone I know, my nephew is thirteen now, or
Speaker 1: sometimes I think they were given they give all the
Speaker 1: kids a tablet, yeah, to do all their learning.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's all tablets. Yeah, And I'm showing my age
Speaker 4: of textbooks, but it's still the same Maxwell. I'm sorry
Speaker 4: McGraw hill. And I think Pearson's is the other large
Speaker 4: one that still produced the educational you know, for science
Speaker 4: and math and everything else. But yeah, you're right, it's
Speaker 4: all tablets. They signed for their tablets the beginning of
Speaker 4: the year. They do all the assignments on tablets. And
Speaker 4: I think you and I always say technology is amazing.
Speaker 4: And here we are having a conversation. I'm in Delaware,
Speaker 4: you're in Minnesota. But at the same time, I think
Speaker 4: it's children should be writing with a pencil and a
Speaker 4: pen and learning cursive and all these things because and
Speaker 4: some people will say that's ridiculous because it's not used.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I always compare it
Speaker 4: in the army, when we went to the range, we
Speaker 4: always had to qualify with our iron sights, and then
Speaker 4: once we were squared away with that, then we went
Speaker 4: ahead and we would put on a cogs or church
Speaker 4: cons or you know, M sixty eight whatever site. We
Speaker 4: would use night vision goggles and stuff. But you have
Speaker 4: to be able to accomplish the basics before you go
Speaker 4: on to bigger and better things. So hopefully they are
Speaker 4: still teaching at least in the elementary levels, you know,
Speaker 4: actual writing and cursive and those type of things. Because listen,
Speaker 4: the numbers speak for themselves. The overall numbers have degraded
Speaker 4: over the last twenty years. So is it the system,
Speaker 4: is it the way they're learning? Is it that the
Speaker 4: technology makes them? I don't know what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that there's some that, you know what,
Speaker 1: the government probably behind a lot of this or whatever
Speaker 1: institutions there the attention spans of children nowadays is less
Speaker 1: than what it used to be because of tablets and
Speaker 1: and whatnot, that they they need to be engaged all
Speaker 1: the time to keep their attention. For instance, I was
Speaker 1: playing Xbox with my nephew, thirteen year old nephew. We
Speaker 1: were waiting for our game to load, and I can
Speaker 1: hear him in the background on his tablet. He's playing
Speaker 1: Candy Crush while we're waiting for Again. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, the game's loading right now, get off your tablet,
Speaker 1: so you know, he can't wait five seconds for what
Speaker 1: he wants.
Speaker 4: That's interesting And it was actually mister Rogers, Fred Rogers,
Speaker 4: of all people who said that we need space and time.
Speaker 4: I'm not out of space there. We need away from
Speaker 4: the television, away from technology, away from radio alone for
Speaker 4: the Internet to be able to process your thoughts. If
Speaker 4: your brain is constantly what's the thing you know you
Speaker 4: call when your brain's always trying to get that next hit?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, the dopamine, thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the dopamine, you know, And it's just you never give
Speaker 4: it a break. You never have time for yourself to
Speaker 4: think of an original thought. And that's why we have
Speaker 4: you know, my daughters, she'll be fifteen tomorrow, but still
Speaker 4: you know, limited time with the cell phone. She just
Speaker 4: doesn't care it around all day. That's that's a recipe.
Speaker 4: And then again, I'm not telling anybody how to raise
Speaker 4: their kids, but we just realized that you still have
Speaker 4: to have interactions, go out, do chores and just you know,
Speaker 4: it drives me a little crazy. Even if we we
Speaker 4: might go out to a movie once a year, maybe
Speaker 4: twice a year, if there's something my wife and daughter
Speaker 4: wants to see and there's kids watching the movie and
Speaker 4: watching their phone. Or you know how many times have
Speaker 4: you stopped in a red light, even out where you live,
Speaker 4: and the person of the light turns green and then
Speaker 4: don't move because they're on their cell phone?
Speaker 1: Oh a lot, Yeah, quite a lot. Yeah. One time
Speaker 1: a friend of mine went we went to a hockey
Speaker 1: game Minnesota Wild and a guy and it's maybe probably
Speaker 1: a ten year old son were sitting next to us.
Speaker 1: We had great seats too, and the second he sits down,
Speaker 1: he pulls out a huge iPad or a tablet and
Speaker 1: then watched the entire game through the tablet, never even
Speaker 1: looked up at the ice so.
Speaker 4: He watched the game he was at on his tablet, right,
Speaker 4: And that's funny, Like, I'm older, I'm fifty five, right,
Speaker 4: and I remember going to baseball games and you know,
Speaker 4: Mike Schmidt hits a home run in the bottom of
Speaker 4: the ninth and you're there in the moment, you're clapping,
Speaker 4: you're watching them around the bases, you watch the ball
Speaker 4: fly out of the stadium, and you live the moment.
Speaker 4: And now, whatever sporting event it is, when it gets
Speaker 4: to you know, an important part, people are more concerned
Speaker 4: about trying to capture that moment on their phone instead
Speaker 4: of experiencing the moment. And that is something that we
Speaker 4: can't ever forget. As this technology progresses, and you know,
Speaker 4: they're going to try to make VR the norm. They're
Speaker 4: going to try to have these automated vehicles, autonomous vehicles.
Speaker 4: You know, they're telling me that in you know, twenty
Speaker 4: thirty five, there won't be in you know, all the
Speaker 4: vehicles be autonomous. I'm like, listen, gee, I am not
Speaker 4: driving a vehicle. I love to drive, and I will
Speaker 4: never get in a vehicle that is autonomous to me.
Speaker 4: So we have to as amazing as technology as we
Speaker 4: have to make sure that we have time and remember
Speaker 4: that we're human beings and live within our moments.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I grew up just
Speaker 1: about the time I'm thirty seven. So my first cell
Speaker 1: phone was the the Nokia the brick when I was
Speaker 1: about seventeen, and we used to go outside and play.
Speaker 1: You know, we never didn't have your phone with you
Speaker 1: all the time. I guess, well, at that time you
Speaker 1: could have it, but I mean they couldn't even send pictures.
Speaker 1: It was just for I remember when texting was was.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was brutal. You had to press you know,
Speaker 4: see three times or what or you know, three times
Speaker 4: to get to see.
Speaker 1: And I used to be so quick with the texting.
Speaker 1: When I was in high school. You could have your
Speaker 1: phone in your my pocket and U text, which is.
Speaker 4: By the feel Dang, that's the next level.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that anymore. But you I mean growing
Speaker 1: up or through school, I mean we learned cursive. We
Speaker 1: still had textbooks, which you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a good thing or a bad thing, because if
Speaker 1: you use technology right, it could be you could do
Speaker 1: great things. Oh absolutely, But it seems like this is
Speaker 1: my experience with having a couple nieces and a nephew
Speaker 1: that there's they're too easily distracted when you had that
Speaker 1: tatlish too much other stuff you could be I'm doing
Speaker 1: playing games whatever it might be, rather than trying to learn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I'm not old man river, you know,
Speaker 4: shaking my head at the sun or my fist at
Speaker 4: the at the sky. Right. You know, the technology is amazing,
Speaker 4: but I just I've always said it's a double edged
Speaker 4: sword and we have to be very careful with it.
Speaker 4: You look at AI, and I mean AI is is
Speaker 4: what's used you know when you upload for all you content,
Speaker 4: uh you know folks out there who you know, produce
Speaker 4: stuff for YouTube. As that's uploading, it's being scanned by AI.
Speaker 4: And if it picks up any of the the words
Speaker 4: that you shouldn't say, like I got kicked off YouTube
Speaker 4: in twenty or twenty one because I said the V word.
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I was talking about the VAS
Speaker 4: and I got booted off of YouTube. I got booted
Speaker 4: off of PayPal. So you know, AI is certainly a
Speaker 4: double edged sword. I wanted a great conversation. By the way,
Speaker 4: things that should be discussed, you know, the education system
Speaker 4: is very near and dear to my heart. It does
Speaker 4: not belong to the federal government if they want to
Speaker 4: divide the money up and give it to the states.
Speaker 4: Fortunately they give it to the states with well, you
Speaker 4: have to include this, this, and this, otherwise you don't
Speaker 4: get the money. And that's a big problem. But I
Speaker 4: did want to ask you what your six silver bullets
Speaker 4: were as far as flat Earth.
Speaker 1: One of the ones. Yeah, I already mentioned a couple
Speaker 1: of little ones. I guess I'm mentioned that you can't.
Speaker 1: You don't see satellites during spacewalks or the videos the
Speaker 1: photographs that they have of that or of Earth that
Speaker 1: they say are original and unedited are ridiculous. The fact
Speaker 1: you can't according to physics is I understand it that
Speaker 1: you can't have a pressurized system without a container, and
Speaker 1: same thing with the vacuum. Can't maintain a vacuum unless
Speaker 1: it's a sealed systems. And then the oh have you
Speaker 1: seen that the sixteen emergency landings? Ye, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a fascinating discovery when I found that, because a couple
Speaker 1: of them were unreal. But the distance that they would
Speaker 1: travel to make an emergency landing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes no sense on a globe, but it
Speaker 4: makes perfect sense on a flat earth.
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine, because we were talking about this,
Speaker 1: one of the few friends that I would bring the
Speaker 1: subject up with about plane flights, is that he said that,
Speaker 1: according to somebody that he knows that was worked for
Speaker 1: the airline and some capacity, that all flights take off
Speaker 1: and fly straight north and then they let the globe
Speaker 1: spin and then they fly back south, back down to
Speaker 1: their destination. I thought that was crazy.
Speaker 4: It is crazy, and you have to realize that air
Speaker 4: travel is a very very tight business. They that's why
Speaker 4: they charge you extra to bring on baggage because the
Speaker 4: more weight they carry, the more fuel they burn. So
Speaker 4: they are on a fly UH to you know, the
Speaker 4: most direct route. And when you're flying I know we've
Speaker 4: we've talked about this before on the podcast. When you're
Speaker 4: flying UH, say from you know, Philly to to London,
Speaker 4: it looks like you're going up and around, like up
Speaker 4: past New Finland and and and everywhere else Whereas you
Speaker 4: look at it on a flat earth map, you are
Speaker 4: making a direct flight.
Speaker 1: I remember I flew to UH from Minnesota to Italy
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six and seeing the graphic on
Speaker 1: the screen. Uh, the the the arc you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are we flying wave so far up? And then
Speaker 1: somebody was like, oh, it's because the because of the
Speaker 1: curvature of the Earth. So that's the quickest route on
Speaker 1: a sphere is what they call it, the great a
Speaker 1: great circle or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah. How did you like Italy?
Speaker 1: It was great. We stayed in Rome for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks and then we had a day trip to
Speaker 1: Naples and Pompeii. That was the highlight of the trip
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, what was Pompeii like did they have I've
Speaker 4: never I've passed through the airport, but I've never been
Speaker 4: to Italy. Pompey must have been very interesting with all
Speaker 4: the historical art effects there.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was, and it was interesting to see that
Speaker 1: the streets, some of them were still in like near
Speaker 1: pristine condition after all these years. And the just the
Speaker 1: system they have, the aqueducts and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: semi you know, primitive, I guess technology, but how effective
Speaker 1: and efficient it was, like the houses had some of
Speaker 1: them had running water.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. Yeah, that was yeah, go ahead, I was
Speaker 4: gonna say, did you have a chance to go through Pisa.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't make it to Pisa, but on the
Speaker 1: next thing, that's it for the next trip. I was young,
Speaker 1: Me and my brother went. I was only nineteen, so
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I didn't appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: now it's twenty years later, thinking of all the things
Speaker 1: that I would do if I were to go to Italy.
Speaker 1: Now was much different agenda than when I was nineteen.
Speaker 1: Then it was like we're hitting the town.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, absolutely when you're younger.
Speaker 1: But we saw the we saw the usual stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: the Colisseum, the Travy Fountain, and we did see quite
Speaker 1: a bit, but not as much as I should have.
Speaker 1: We didn't which we wanted to make it to a
Speaker 1: Mass at the Vatican, but it was almost during it
Speaker 1: was during Christmas time. There was crazy down there.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure. That's awesome. Though Europe, you know,
Speaker 4: they are slowly, sadly, they're slowly starting to do away
Speaker 4: with the historical aspects of Europe and they're transforming it
Speaker 4: as we speak. So I always tell people if you're
Speaker 4: thinking about going to hungry or hungry Europe, that now's
Speaker 4: the time for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing in Rome. They had you
Speaker 1: just be walking down the street, you know, and then
Speaker 1: there's modern you know's cafes and restaurants, and then you
Speaker 1: come across just some walled off just random bits of
Speaker 1: ruins here and there, you know, half crumbled buildings and
Speaker 1: stuff that are just preserved, which there's all over the city.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. They at least for now
Speaker 1: or for then, they really seem to appreciate the history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that that's amazing. I think the landing tower
Speaker 4: piece is like seven hundred years since it's been completed,
Speaker 4: So that's one of the pieces of architecture I wanted
Speaker 4: to see before, you know, in the next few years
Speaker 4: for sure. Regarding flat Earth, have you had any success
Speaker 4: stories in sharing this type of information or has it
Speaker 4: pretty much fallen on deaf ears.
Speaker 1: I'm not one to push it, you know, too hard.
Speaker 1: And but my wife, she she thinks I think she
Speaker 1: thinks I'm crazy. She won't say that, but she doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to have any interest in and listening to it
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. I guess. I haven't really asked her
Speaker 1: what what the reason is. She's busy doing other stuff,
Speaker 1: I suppose, and you know, when I know, I know
Speaker 1: what She's probably thinking, is that why you why you're
Speaker 1: gonna waste your time on that nonsense? So I'll bring
Speaker 1: that one of the times, right, I'll bring up to her.
Speaker 1: But oh I had I had a real close friend
Speaker 1: of mine. He's he's the type you mentioned earlier about
Speaker 1: Neil de grasse Tyson, and like the quote unquote the experts,
Speaker 1: he's quick to jump in like, well, all the science
Speaker 1: says that this is this way, So I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: trust the experts because they're experts.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, Yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry no, I.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, do not see the problem with that.
Speaker 1: They're they're experts, and some of these are theoretical, like
Speaker 1: sciences that are largely made up of mathematics that are
Speaker 1: and uh and formulas, stuff that are invented by humans,
Speaker 1: by men that are just theories. And just to just
Speaker 1: to just throw just say, well the experts say this,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm gonna go with. Made me, uh
Speaker 1: kind of disappointed in him because I thought he was
Speaker 1: he's a smart guy. But he's but you wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that if you were. He's not open minded, I guess
Speaker 1: is what is the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's a good way of uh of terming
Speaker 4: it is that many people are close minded when it
Speaker 4: comes to certain things. I think a lot of it
Speaker 4: is subconscious, just because of the way that Hollywood and
Speaker 4: television and news and through the education system that that
Speaker 4: has reinforced time and time again that we live on
Speaker 4: a spinning ball. So anytime a piece of evidence is
Speaker 4: presented that challenges what has been subconsciously pounded into a
Speaker 4: person's brain, a shield again subconsciously probably automatically comes up
Speaker 4: and repels that information because it goes against everything. And again,
Speaker 4: you're talking twenty thirty, forty fifty years worth of this
Speaker 4: type of information being hammered time and time again through
Speaker 4: all those different avenues of approach, whether it be technology, television, movies,
Speaker 4: the news, and education.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. H I lost my train. I thought for
Speaker 1: a second, Sorry, I got my castor on my desk.
Speaker 1: Uh uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I guess back to bringing it up to people
Speaker 1: I haven't really told pretty much. I guess anybody that
Speaker 1: that I really believe that the Earth is flat, they
Speaker 1: kind of think of it as, uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a joke.
Speaker 4: Well, have you have you spoken to your friends about
Speaker 4: other rabbit holes in particular.
Speaker 1: Yep, the moon landing for sure is one. And see
Speaker 1: that one is it's easier. It seems like for UH
Speaker 1: people to swallow it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: The my fav see the the the people that I
Speaker 1: would bring this up to, they would they would say, well,
Speaker 1: if if they fake the moon landing and if the
Speaker 1: earth is flat, then the you know, the number of
Speaker 1: people that would have to be in on the deception,
Speaker 1: it's just it's too large number of people. So it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem possible to to pull such a huge
Speaker 1: lie off in UH today's day and age. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But with that being said, you know, I like
Speaker 4: to reply with it's really only it's not as many
Speaker 4: people as you think because of the compartmentalization and because
Speaker 4: the same people who push this false You know that
Speaker 4: these lies, let's just call them what they are, these lies,
Speaker 4: are the same people who control the media. So who
Speaker 4: are these people going to go to to spill their beans?
Speaker 4: And they can very easily. And I'm telling you go back.
Speaker 4: You look at Gus Grissolm. You can look at the
Speaker 4: guy who investigated the Apollo one. He and his entire
Speaker 4: family were taken out. You look at all the whistleblowers
Speaker 4: through history in the last sixty years, pardon me, not
Speaker 4: just in space, but big pharma and military industrial complex
Speaker 4: whistleblowers who have been led to their demise. And what happens, right,
Speaker 4: it's in the news for a couple hours, everybody's just like, Wow,
Speaker 4: that's that. I can't believe that, that's you know, and
Speaker 4: you're upset. And then what happens in this world we
Speaker 4: live in today with there's another headline two hours later, right,
Speaker 4: the CEO of United Healthcare has been shot, and then
Speaker 4: two hours later the US government is about to be
Speaker 4: shut down two hours you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 4: even if they put it out there, it's only it'll
Speaker 4: only be out there for a couple hours. It'll be gone.
Speaker 4: People will get upset, but nobody will do anything about
Speaker 4: it at the end of the day, right.
Speaker 1: Right, because nobody wants to go against the the grain,
Speaker 1: you know, the narrative and depending on the subject. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got to be careful what you say and who
Speaker 1: you say it to, uh, because you know you might
Speaker 1: never know who is UH in danger of getting erased
Speaker 1: or disappeared.
Speaker 4: Right, And I don't care about the folks like us
Speaker 4: who're just having this general conversation. But but it's the people.
Speaker 4: Let's say, you know, Joe Smith, who is the you know,
Speaker 4: c the executive vice president of SpaceX, who knows how
Speaker 4: much you know, government money is being pushed around, that's
Speaker 4: going as basically money laundering. You know. For somebody like
Speaker 4: to come out and say, oh, it's really just fake,
Speaker 4: you know that, that's the type of person that will
Speaker 4: get caught up in the grind. They just can't go
Speaker 4: after everyone who comes out on these lines because they'll
Speaker 4: just play you off. It's silly, especially with flat Earth, right,
Speaker 4: because most people still even at this particular stage, right,
Speaker 4: we've been fighting the good fight for a while now,
Speaker 4: and we have made headway in this community, but we're
Speaker 4: still very very much the minority.
Speaker 1: Would you agree, yes, very much.
Speaker 4: So what would you think it would take to flip
Speaker 4: the script?
Speaker 1: Well with most people, and I think you need something
Speaker 1: like a celebrity, really say, let's say Taylor Swift to
Speaker 1: come out and say research flat Earth something like that
Speaker 1: for enough people to look into it and to change
Speaker 1: my mind. The thing seems to me in my experience,
Speaker 1: people don't like to admit that they're wrong, and they
Speaker 1: also don't want to look into something that they think
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, even though they haven't done any research. They
Speaker 1: hear flat earth and they go, I'm not gonna waste
Speaker 1: my time looking into this because it's nonsense, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's the the wall I find myself getting up against
Speaker 1: when I get into conversation or try or start one
Speaker 1: anyway with any of my friends or family. Is it's
Speaker 1: just that it's that's ridiculous. I'm not gonna waste any
Speaker 1: time on this. And it's like, Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. But if you're bored and
Speaker 1: you feel like learning something, and if willing to admit
Speaker 1: that you might be wrong, and it might yeah, see
Speaker 1: that's what they might might shatter your world a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can't handle that too.
Speaker 1: Is another thing they want to They want to believe
Speaker 1: what they believe already, and they don't want to have
Speaker 1: anything disturb their reality, if you know what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, one hundred percent. And going to back what
Speaker 4: you were basically saying was, you know, most people don't
Speaker 4: want to be that guy or that girl most people
Speaker 4: in life, they want to fit in. They have their
Speaker 4: pack of friends, their Facebook friends, and it does take
Speaker 4: a lot of courage to come out and speak on
Speaker 4: your convictions. It truly does. And unfortunately we live in
Speaker 4: a world where you know that speaking the truth can
Speaker 4: change your life in different ways, right once, and flat
Speaker 4: Earth is one of those things when you come out
Speaker 4: like myself, right, you can tell when when when you
Speaker 4: walk into certain air is of the world and people
Speaker 4: know you and you always have that hanging over your head. Yeah,
Speaker 4: even though you're you're the flat earth guy, Yeah exactly,
Speaker 4: But even though you're the same person, you know, that's
Speaker 4: not even true. I was going to say, you're the
Speaker 4: same person that you've always been, but that's not even
Speaker 4: the truth because I think once you understand and acknowledge
Speaker 4: that we don't live on a spinning ball, it does
Speaker 4: change you. But you're still the same person. Right. You
Speaker 4: haven't lost your mind. You didn't spend time at Arkham
Speaker 4: Asylum or anything. You just and for a lot of people,
Speaker 4: it's you become older and you start to notice things
Speaker 4: that you didn't notice when you were going one hundred
Speaker 4: miles an hour and working two jobs and raising three children.
Speaker 4: But it's important to recognize those moments in your life
Speaker 4: when you question things. Put them in the file cabinet.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're not ready to dig at the time, but
Speaker 4: don't ignore it, don't turn the blind eye to it.
Speaker 4: Just put it in your back pocket. And when things
Speaker 4: slow to it slow down for you down the road
Speaker 4: or when you know you get up the courage to
Speaker 4: look into these things. And it's okay to to not
Speaker 4: believe all the same things we believe. It's your journey
Speaker 4: to the truth. But you have to understand. And I'm
Speaker 4: here this is one thing. I will stand on my
Speaker 4: soapbox and tell you that these people are lying to
Speaker 4: you about ninety percent of the things they say.
Speaker 1: Exactly. If you don't know, I would say, if you
Speaker 1: don't want to start with the flat earth, just if
Speaker 1: you like, if politics is your thing, it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: not mine. Just do some go down some rabbit holes
Speaker 1: in that subject and find the lies. And then when
Speaker 1: you realize that, yeah, like you just said, most things
Speaker 1: that you see on the one reason I don't watch
Speaker 1: the news one it's incredibly depressing most of the time.
Speaker 1: And and that's the other reason is just because the
Speaker 1: what they would have you believe just seems ridiculous. And uh,
Speaker 1: it took Uh when I was young, I never even
Speaker 1: thought about any of these things. I was going doing,
Speaker 1: do my thing, never stopped to question things. I was
Speaker 1: just too busy, too focused on what whatever the heck
Speaker 1: I thought was important at the time. And now, like
Speaker 1: we mentioned a little bit touched on this earlier, that
Speaker 1: what you said, mister Rogers said, it's important to have
Speaker 1: a quiet place to sit down and just reflect without
Speaker 1: without distractions, and and then also on the writing stuff down.
Speaker 1: I still do that when I when I researched and
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, or when I write a grocery
Speaker 1: list on a piece of paper. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of all my notes are in tablets notebooks. It's that's
Speaker 1: definitely helps to I think, for if you're trying to
Speaker 1: remember something, that's a big thing. But yeah, people don't
Speaker 1: take the time. And also I think people don't maybe
Speaker 1: know how to research things the best way because if
Speaker 1: you just search something, you click on the first thing
Speaker 1: you see and then you go, okay, well that's that's it. Now.
Speaker 1: I now I settled that this site says the Earth
Speaker 1: is a globe, so that's that's the end of that argument.
Speaker 4: That's such a good piece of information that we should
Speaker 4: always remember when we finally are able to have that
Speaker 4: conversation with a friend or a family member, that that
Speaker 4: you say, listen, number one, don't use Google. Maybe you
Speaker 4: can recommend a couple of websites. I keep meaning to
Speaker 4: make little cards, and I bought a laminator. I actually
Speaker 4: broke down a bought a laminator a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and I want to make little cards and laminate them
Speaker 4: because that that is the one thing if you try
Speaker 4: to share this information and they you know, they go
Speaker 4: home and they're laying in bed at night and they
Speaker 4: pop open their phone and they go to Google and
Speaker 4: they put in is the Earth flat? That's game over?
Speaker 1: We lost, right, Yeah, And then nobody stops to think
Speaker 1: about the the order of of you know, the ads
Speaker 1: or the which websites come up and which ones get
Speaker 1: pushed to the bottom of the list. It takes a
Speaker 1: little bit of effort to to kind of figure that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff out, to navigate your whereund to find
Speaker 1: credible information, because for every piece of credible information that's
Speaker 1: out there, there's one hundred pieces.
Speaker 4: Of bs absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess I just thought of this. I
Speaker 1: should have touched on this earlier. Is that I said
Speaker 1: to you in my email that the most the biggest
Speaker 1: piece of evidence I had for flats was the Bible
Speaker 1: because I was, uh, I still still am Catholic, baptized Catholic,
Speaker 1: and uh for a time in my youth, I was
Speaker 1: even an altar boy at a Catholic church. And UH,
Speaker 1: I kind of got away from religion and God as
Speaker 1: I got in my early adulthood, probably because because I've
Speaker 1: probably felt like it was kind of pushed on me
Speaker 1: as a child. You don't really when you're twelve thirteen,
Speaker 1: you don't really have a choice. You know, your parents
Speaker 1: tell you going to church and you're gonna be an
Speaker 1: ultar boy in this and that you don't really have
Speaker 1: much of a choice. But now in my late thirties,
Speaker 1: now kind of come back to religion and God, and
Speaker 1: uh I was a with clear eyes, I guess they're
Speaker 1: with a different perspective with now, I feel like with
Speaker 1: the ability to understand what I'm actually what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm reading or seeing or hearing. So I'm I'm definitely
Speaker 1: grateful for that. There must be a reason why he
Speaker 1: You know, I've found my way to this knowledge. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly that is yet or what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with this information. I know that when
Speaker 1: the time's right, and when the depending on the the
Speaker 1: person or the audience, I'll definitely share this. And I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not worried about people thinking I'm crazy, because
Speaker 1: the people that know me probably already think that for
Speaker 1: a lot of other reasons, not the least among them
Speaker 1: being somewhat of a I would say, I'm gonna enjoy
Speaker 1: my privacy. They would tell you that some people would
Speaker 1: say that he's a hermit or something like that. And
Speaker 1: it's not that I'm anti socialist, that I enjoy being alone.
Speaker 1: And uh so that gives me the time, especially now
Speaker 1: in the winters, laid off from work until springtime, I
Speaker 1: have all this free time to do what it's really
Speaker 1: interesting to me, you know. So, so I do spend
Speaker 1: a lot of my time doing this, and I still
Speaker 1: keep researching flat Earth, and I keep seeing things will
Speaker 1: pop up that they'll see something from the that might
Speaker 1: prove the Earth the globe, and I'll go, oh, geez,
Speaker 1: And then for a second I'll think like, oh, dang,
Speaker 1: maybe I was wrong. But every time that's happened, and
Speaker 1: I'll dig more and more into whatever the subject is,
Speaker 1: like the twenty four hours sun or you know, the
Speaker 1: path of the constellations, whatever it might be. When you
Speaker 1: really research it all the way or let me as
Speaker 1: deep as you can feel like you can go, it
Speaker 1: all comes back to the same thing, and that's the
Speaker 1: Earth is flat.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And by the way, I'm so glad that you
Speaker 4: mentioned that because my next question was about as in
Speaker 4: most people, did did flutter bring you closer to God?
Speaker 4: And that that is one of the strongest pieces of evidence,
Speaker 4: as you said in your email, and that that is
Speaker 4: you know, probably ninety five percent of the people that
Speaker 4: we've interviewed over the last few years, Uh, that that's
Speaker 4: been the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's That's one thing I'd really like about the
Speaker 1: the flat earth community is that because people that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people will mock you for religion too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially people like the same friend I referenced in earlier
Speaker 1: that you know, likes to just trust the experts. He
Speaker 1: hasn't nothing good to say about religion except for that
Speaker 1: anybody that believes in it is uh, in his opinion,
Speaker 1: Uh not intelligent.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we'll pray for that person. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of people out there, and that there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people who have gone through turmoil I've found, you know,
Speaker 4: talking to people offline. Uh though, those type of people
Speaker 4: that it seems to me not everybody, you know, everybody
Speaker 4: has their own story, but for a lot of people,
Speaker 4: they've gone through particularly extremely rough patches in their life.
Speaker 4: And they and they say, if there was a god, X,
Speaker 4: Y or Z would not have happened to them. But
Speaker 4: then you try to get them to understand free will,
Speaker 4: and you know, do you if you want everything to
Speaker 4: be perfect, then God has to control every single aspect
Speaker 4: of our lives. But we have free will, we have
Speaker 4: the opportunity, and with free will, people do make mistakes
Speaker 4: and they have this effect, the spider web effect that
Speaker 4: affects different people that I'm not going to get into
Speaker 4: very deep right now, but that's the one thing I
Speaker 4: try to tell to people is you know, you know,
Speaker 4: horrible things happen every single day around the world, but
Speaker 4: we have our free will, and unfortunately people use free
Speaker 4: will in evil ways all around this world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, yeah, I definitely will pray for my
Speaker 1: friend because he needs something to believe in. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how him, or just people in general, just are
Speaker 1: so content to go on about their life in blissful ignorance.
Speaker 1: I guess is like most people. They they got the
Speaker 1: few things that they think is important. Their their job, there,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, things that are all not important in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. But nobody wants to have
Speaker 1: their their routine or their a janet or whatever interrupted.
Speaker 4: And nobody wants their ball taken away, right.
Speaker 1: Right, perfect, perfect analogy.
Speaker 4: There you go. We're closing in on our last few minutes.
Speaker 4: I wanted to give you an opportunity. If there was
Speaker 4: anything that you wanted to touch on that we haven't
Speaker 4: had a chance to yet, Please do.
Speaker 1: Well. I guess to the to your fans listening to
Speaker 1: people that are on offense about things, do the research.
Speaker 1: Don't don't be so quick to judge when And I
Speaker 1: think it's important that you need to realize that we've
Speaker 1: all been taught and essentially brainwashed, especially if you've grown
Speaker 1: up in America, you definitely have, and so to unlearn
Speaker 1: the the programming. I guess that that they've been feeding
Speaker 1: you is probably The hardest thing I know it was
Speaker 1: certainly was for me, is to start to question everything
Speaker 1: and then to finally decide to make up my own
Speaker 1: mind about things. Uh. That I think is the sad
Speaker 1: thing in today's world is that not enough people do
Speaker 1: at It's just in my experience anyway, most people that
Speaker 1: you're that I interact with or see or around me
Speaker 1: in everyday life just are going through the same routine.
Speaker 1: And it's just it makes me feel sad for those
Speaker 1: people because I can't imagine uh being or living that way.
Speaker 1: Uh to where you just you are not open to
Speaker 1: any new ideas. You you know what you know, and
Speaker 1: things are the way they are and then and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's That's kind of how my my father is with
Speaker 1: this stuff too. He's you can't you can't teach him anything,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's he's sixty five. He knows, he's
Speaker 1: he's lived longer, and he knows what about anything you're
Speaker 1: likely to bring up to him, and he's already got
Speaker 1: an opinion on it.
Speaker 4: So he's set in his ways.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. When I I guess before the flat Earth, I
Speaker 1: got into back to religion and then now you know,
Speaker 1: and more so spirituality, and so I tell, I tell
Speaker 1: my dad that you better get used to the idea
Speaker 1: that you're gonna live forever after you died, like you
Speaker 1: might want to consider working on your spirituality. And he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm spiritual, So.
Speaker 4: I know where you're coming from exactly. It's UH, my
Speaker 4: my friend and I. When we go witnessing UH in Camden, Delaware,
Speaker 4: you know, we we talked to a guy he was
Speaker 4: probably in his eighties, and he was he was cursing
Speaker 4: every other word, not that cursing is a mortal sin
Speaker 4: or not that I my goodness, I was in the
Speaker 4: army for twenty four years, so I could I could
Speaker 4: use the F word as a noun, adjective, pronoun, verb.
Speaker 4: You know, That's how we talked back then. But you
Speaker 4: also realize that you have to lead by example, you
Speaker 4: have to be better. And when I got out of
Speaker 4: the army, I changed my ways. But we were talking
Speaker 4: to this guy who was eighty and every other word
Speaker 4: was a curse word, and this that and the other thing.
Speaker 4: And then we handed him, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: Bible tracks, and he said, oh, I'm good. I go
Speaker 4: to church every Sunday. And that just kind of resonated
Speaker 4: me when you were telling me about your dad how
Speaker 4: I'm spiritual. Right, there's and I don't mean to come
Speaker 4: off condescending by any stretch of the managing imagination, but
Speaker 4: everything you said hit home with me because I used
Speaker 4: to live superficial as well. And when I say superficial,
Speaker 4: that means prior to prioritizing sports teams that had no
Speaker 4: idea I existed, but I lived for them and and
Speaker 4: those type of things, running home, turing on the TV,
Speaker 4: trying to catch whatever the latest thing is. And then
Speaker 4: you do realize and a lot of this io to
Speaker 4: flat Earth is that God is what when we say
Speaker 4: God is watching us, He's literally watching us. And and
Speaker 4: that that made me try to be a better person
Speaker 4: and kind of reprioritize my life. I hope that made sense.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, yeah, And I'm I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was this subject leading me back towards God or I
Speaker 1: or God leading me into this subject and then and
Speaker 1: then back to God. If that makes sense, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And that that's the that's the mystery, right, works in
Speaker 1: mysterious ways. We don't know, But I have a feeling
Speaker 1: there's a uh, a reason why I came across this
Speaker 1: and why I decided to get it, research it, and
Speaker 1: then it changed my perspective on the world. When you
Speaker 1: realize that the Earth is flat and that it was
Speaker 1: put here by someone or something, you know, for people
Speaker 1: that don't want to give God the credit, you can't
Speaker 1: deny that we're all here. And that's pretty wild if
Speaker 1: you think about it, like the uh the mystery, and
Speaker 1: you know that that's why they don't want you to
Speaker 1: know this stuff is because they want you to think
Speaker 1: you're on a spinning ball and that you're in an
Speaker 1: infinite cosmos and you're just a speck of dust, you know,
Speaker 1: in a huge universe in your life has no meaning.
Speaker 1: But I guess that was the thing that when they
Speaker 1: say it's impossible that they would be able to keep
Speaker 1: up this deception like over the mass as they could
Speaker 1: be impossible. No, and because the stakes are as high
Speaker 1: as they get, they want you to separate from God,
Speaker 1: to be as far from God as possible. That's what
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's so funny to think that how trivial
Speaker 4: I thought flat Earth once was many many moons ago
Speaker 4: to understanding that that could literally break the matrix if
Speaker 4: we got that knowledge out there, literally just shatter Satan's domain.
Speaker 4: But he knows, you know. They I think it was
Speaker 4: Nixon that said that, you know, I don't remember who said.
Speaker 4: But if you tell a big if I'm sorry, if
Speaker 4: you tell a lie big enough, they'll believe it. And
Speaker 4: this is one heck of a lie. And people buy
Speaker 4: off on it. They're like, bro, we're spinning. And you
Speaker 4: even mentioned in your email you don't feel like you're
Speaker 4: on a ball that's spinning one thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 4: And it is time to start believing what you see,
Speaker 4: what you feel, what you taste, what you smell, versus
Speaker 4: what you're being told. And and I'm sorry, Andrew. This
Speaker 4: has been just a fantastic conversation and you've brought so
Speaker 4: many great points up during the course of this interview
Speaker 4: and I can't thank you enough for your input. And
Speaker 4: I do want to give you the last few minutes
Speaker 4: to give us any closing thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's That's about all I got. I think
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having me on. I've been a
Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast for but a year or so.
Speaker 1: Now listen to them wherever there's a new one. And
Speaker 1: you're doing You probably already know this, but you're doing
Speaker 1: God's work.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. But and I say this, I
Speaker 4: try to remind everybody this, And as this is the
Speaker 4: last podcast for twenty twenty four, the next time we
Speaker 4: meet with a new guest, it'll be twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: and we're entering an interesting timeline. With January twentieth right
Speaker 4: around the corner. It's more important than ever to remember
Speaker 4: what we were just talking about, getting closer to God,
Speaker 4: accepting Christ as as your Lord and savior, and whatever
Speaker 4: happens to you here on earth is trivial compared to
Speaker 4: an eternity in heaven. Andrew, thanks again, Merry Christmas, Happy
Speaker 4: New Year's to you and your family.
Speaker 1: My friend, same to you, George. Appreciate it all right.
Speaker 4: Thanks again to everybody who has joined all our guests
Speaker 4: over the course of twenty twenty four. Thank you for
Speaker 4: continuing to make this such a fun podcast for me
Speaker 4: to be able to have this conversation every single week.
Speaker 4: Greatly appreciated. I appreciate all our emails, and again stop
Speaker 4: by the website, the flatterarthfiles dot com if you'd like
Speaker 4: to come on. Like Andrew did today. It is fe
Speaker 4: filesguest at gmail dot com. A safe new year to everyone.
Speaker 4: God bless each and every one of you. You keep
Speaker 4: your head on a swivel until we meet again in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. We will see you.
Speaker 3: I know it's been struggle. I don't know you've had spin.
Speaker 3: I don't know you feel the tie hell down about
Speaker 3: all the way? Yeah, I know you feel them A.
Speaker 2: You smile and the same.
Speaker 3: That's all well go from you feel like you've lost
Speaker 3: your way.
Speaker 2: Don't give it. No, don't give it and nevers home.
Speaker 2: Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's
Speaker 2: got up, glad, Why it's a way time got up?
Speaker 1: Let me come?
Speaker 2: Why await God m call.
Speaker 3: I can see the straight beside you. Child's are putting
Speaker 3: up five.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're stronger than a thing, you guy. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be all right.
Speaker 2: You're accepting a dead found beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move.
Speaker 2: You can hold your head a pie. Don't give up. No,
Speaker 2: don't give in. Never loves home. Don't let gone on
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Speaker 2: don't give in you never love home, don't let go
Speaker 2: on the primies. It ain't gonfe It's worth live in.
Speaker 4: Wat's a way down the.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, what surprise out the god? Oh yeah, gott.
Speaker 3: Don't give up, no, don't give in, never lose home, don't.
Speaker 1: Let go of the primis not me and dune.
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Speaker 1: It ain't done.
Speaker 3: Love's worth the eve in whats and died, the God
Speaker 3: of every cos.
Speaker 1: Oh, the God of me, white dog.
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