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<v Speaker 1>This is Phil Shub from Ely in Cambridgeshire in the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom, and I play at Ely City Golf Club.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Golf Smart episode nine to seven to six.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Oregon last week doing a training like

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<v Speaker 2>you can spit off in fifteen seconds what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just have a couple catchwords for them like welcome, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>like something that they understand, and then they're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just like karate. Yeah, yeah, levels move them through.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody starts a white belt, and the days of like

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<v Speaker 2>explaining a lot to people, at least in my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>are so far gone. It's like, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>something good to say in twenty or thirty seconds, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to tune you out. And if you want to survive,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to be good at your fifteen twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>elevator pitch. A turning point for us was when we

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<v Speaker 2>changed our name. We used to have a really long

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<v Speaker 2>name that didn't make any sense, and then we went

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<v Speaker 2>to another name that didn't make any sense, and another

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<v Speaker 2>name that didn't make any sense, and our fourth name,

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<v Speaker 2>Operation six. I remember pitching it to a couple members

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<v Speaker 2>at the course to see if they understood what it

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<v Speaker 2>was and they're like, oh, okay, so you're on a

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<v Speaker 2>operation to try to shoot thirty six and you start

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<v Speaker 2>close and you move back. That makes sense. And when

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<v Speaker 2>the member repeated that back, I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a name.

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<v Speaker 3>The Welcome Matt to golf for beginners of any age

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<v Speaker 3>Operation thirty six with founder Ryan Daily. This is Golf Smarter,

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<v Speaker 3>sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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<v Speaker 3>help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Fred, how are you? I'm great? Another great day

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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, how often it's just a you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a given, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 4>Another great day in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a place to be if you love golf.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple a couple episodes ago, I was having a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with Joel Suggs, Master PGA Instructor, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Operation thirty six came up and I'm like, wait, what's

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<v Speaker 4>Operation thirty six?

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<v Speaker 3>And he oh, it's a great way. It's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>have I gotta have that guy on the show. So

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<v Speaker 3>he introduced us and here we are. I'm so excited

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<v Speaker 3>to hear about Operation thirty six. Why don't you give me,

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<v Speaker 3>give me your not even an elevator pitch, just give

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<v Speaker 3>me the overview of what it is and how you

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<v Speaker 3>got it started.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so, myself and Matt Reagan, another PGA professional, started

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and ten together working on this. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty long backstory. We don't have to go into

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of it on why we started, how we started,

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<v Speaker 2>but we had a goal of bringing kids to the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course at a golf course that didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people using it at the time, right after

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<v Speaker 2>the real estate recession. We pitched an idea to the

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<v Speaker 2>president of the university. The president of the university approved it.

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<v Speaker 2>We started with three kids. I think in the program

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<v Speaker 2>we had twenty parents in front of us at the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course. We pitched what we were going to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and basically what it was was gymnastics or karate for golf.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just bringing them out every Monday. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't really a consistent junior golf program that ran

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the year. Back in twenty ten, the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>was like summer camps. So like if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>son or a grandson and you wanted to get them

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<v Speaker 2>into the game, you'd bring them to a summer camp,

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<v Speaker 2>and the only other option was to take a private

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<v Speaker 2>lesson with a PGA pro, and those two options didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to do as well as what other sports were doing,

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<v Speaker 2>so we borrowed some concepts from them to get started,

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<v Speaker 2>and then got really frustrated after our fourth or fifth

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<v Speaker 2>year doing it because we had a ton of kids coming.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like eighty kids coming once a week, not

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<v Speaker 2>all at the same time, at different class times, for

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<v Speaker 2>eight months out of the year, but nobody was really

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<v Speaker 2>like falling in love with playing the game of golf

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<v Speaker 2>like they would come because their parents brought them, But

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<v Speaker 2>it was like pulling teeth to get them to really

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<v Speaker 2>like enjoy the aspects of golf that really hooked us,

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<v Speaker 2>and for me in particular, it was the walking outside.

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<v Speaker 2>It was trying different clubs, It was hitting the ball

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<v Speaker 2>in the hole and listening to that sound like I

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<v Speaker 2>think about that when I was a kid, and those

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<v Speaker 2>things really resonated with me. Playing with the older men

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<v Speaker 2>at the golf course was really fun for me to

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<v Speaker 2>learn from them, and there wasn't a great avenue in

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<v Speaker 2>our area to do that, and we certainly after four

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<v Speaker 2>or five years, didn't do very well at that either.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had to retool everything we did to figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, instead of taking them on the driving range

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<v Speaker 2>as their first experience in the game of golf and

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<v Speaker 2>teaching him the grip and teaching him how to stand,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not fun for anybody, even the golf pro.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not very fun because nobody's getting it in the air,

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<v Speaker 2>we said, why don't we put them on the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course first and see what happens? And we did. We

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<v Speaker 2>put them on the tea box, and that was extremely

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating beginner golfers from the tea box taking twelve strokes

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the hole. So then after a year

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<v Speaker 2>frustration of that, we said, well, what if we started

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<v Speaker 2>them like basketball, start with a layup instead of starting

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<v Speaker 2>with a three pointer, because we were basically starting a

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<v Speaker 2>three pointer at the tea box. So we started them

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five yards away from the hole. We said, after

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<v Speaker 2>a while of trial and error, we said every hole

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<v Speaker 2>was a part four. If you make a three, it's

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<v Speaker 2>your first birdy Ever, if you make it two, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an eagle. And why don't we throw a number around, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six, let's see if you could shoot thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>for nine holes. And trying that for four or five

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<v Speaker 2>years up until right before COVID was really successful. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I say successful meaning folks fell in love with

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<v Speaker 2>playing the game, and when we weren't there teaching class,

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<v Speaker 2>they were there with mom and dad playing and we

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<v Speaker 2>had something that worked because it wasn't just because they

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<v Speaker 2>were signed up for a class. They were coming out

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<v Speaker 2>when there wasn't a class. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>anything we do is like rocket science. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it is just we tested things that didn't work, got

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<v Speaker 2>really frustrated and didn't give up, which we could have

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<v Speaker 2>given up, and we tried something else, and tried something else,

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<v Speaker 2>and tried something else and it ended up working. And

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<v Speaker 2>then other coaches in the state of North Carolina started

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<v Speaker 2>contacting us because they wanted to do what we do

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<v Speaker 2>and making a long story significantly shorter, there's now eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred facilities in fifteen different countries, and there's like twelve

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<v Speaker 2>or fourteen hundred coaches running out thirty six throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And like some great stories of kids and now adults

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<v Speaker 2>that do op thirty six where they the biggest skill

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<v Speaker 2>that they learn for it is like you go out

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<v Speaker 2>and you shoot a forty five, and you figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to deal with disappointment, deal with no reaching the goal,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the whole point of the program. The point

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<v Speaker 2>of the program is not to beat thirty six in

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<v Speaker 2>your first try. The point of the program is to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and not beat thirty six and challenge yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>I can get better. And that's really why OP thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six works because people look in the mirror and they

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<v Speaker 2>say I can do this, I can get one stroke better,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they do it with the help of a professional,

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<v Speaker 2>with their facility during their practices, or with mom and dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're trying to compete with video games. It's not easy,

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<v Speaker 2>no at all. So we just try to go for

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<v Speaker 2>like small wins and if we can get players to

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<v Speaker 2>get one stroke better every couple weeks, that's our best

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<v Speaker 2>chance to try to compete with video games.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever tried to develop an Operation thirty sixth

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<v Speaker 3>video game.

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<v Speaker 2>We have gone down that path twice. We haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 2>to the finish line yet. We do have an app

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<v Speaker 2>people use in OP thirty six where they they take

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<v Speaker 2>their lessons online. They can watch videos of different parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the curriculum. There's a pretty cool GPS on there

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<v Speaker 2>where if you went out to the course with me

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<v Speaker 2>and let's say you're playing from twenty five yards, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I would walk out to twenty five yards, it

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<v Speaker 2>would buzz and say, hey, drop your ball here and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you exactly where to drop it on the course.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've been down the video game route twice for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, we haven't finished the journey yet. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be starting it again. I'm not sure. That's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>big animal to tackle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it is, Yes it is, But you want people

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<v Speaker 3>out on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want to keep them on the video.

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<v Speaker 2>Game, right, correct, one hundred percent. Yeah, And at the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of our facilities we're starting to run into If

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<v Speaker 2>you were asked me, like, what's the biggest challenge right now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many people at the golf course where they're

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<v Speaker 2>running out thirty six Now we're dealing with the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course being too crowded, which if we rewind to twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 2>right after the recession, that would be a problem all

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<v Speaker 2>of us would have been excited to have because nobody

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<v Speaker 2>a golf course at that time, not nobody, but significantly

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<v Speaker 2>less than now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what about since COVID when golf exploded, did

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<v Speaker 3>what happened with OP thirty six?

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<v Speaker 2>Then our participation rates skyrocketed because we're a beginner golf

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<v Speaker 2>program and there were a lot of folks who had

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<v Speaker 2>never played golf before and they wanted to get started

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<v Speaker 2>in the game of golf. And we just happened to

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<v Speaker 2>have the right marketing at the right time. And when

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<v Speaker 2>people plugged online into Google, it says, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to play golf. I'm a beginner golfer. OP

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six popped up and by that point we had

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<v Speaker 2>five or six hundred facilities, and we just kept getting

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<v Speaker 2>notes from our coaches. Hey, Ryan, we're full. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>send any more people to us. We're full.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's participation rates have grown steadily from COVID

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So it's an interesting industry challenge that we

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<v Speaker 2>have now, is that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's continuing to climb.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think we were up twelve thousand enrollments this

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<v Speaker 2>year from last year something like that. So it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's phenomenal, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's when we get in when we get in

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with like industry leading companies and organizations like USGA

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Course Owners Association, it's like, guys, we probably need

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<v Speaker 2>to at some point build golf courses to start keeping

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<v Speaker 2>up with this demand. But then they're like, well we

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<v Speaker 2>and they go through the litany of things that make

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<v Speaker 2>it a challenge to continue to build more golf courses.

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<v Speaker 2>So then it goes to the indoor question, right, indoor golf,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the industry is in an interesting spot, a

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<v Speaker 2>good spot, very healthy, a lot of participation, equipment sales

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<v Speaker 2>are higher than they've ever been. So yeah, it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting to see what happens to golf in the

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<v Speaker 2>next fifteen or twenty years with this much demand.

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<v Speaker 2>So I worked at Campbell University, like the soup, Campbell's

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<v Speaker 2>which typically means you're about to lose your job and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, I kind of do. I've been working

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<v Speaker 2>forty something page proposal, put it on his desk, and

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<v Speaker 2>it sat for six to nine months, something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the president came down the hallway at one

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it started. And I knew I couldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>at it. The nice thing is we were very lucky

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<v Speaker 2>that neither of us had to make money. He was

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<v Speaker 2>happened to keep this going, that was probably number one,

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<v Speaker 2>because every time that we made like five thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd put it right back into the business. Make five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, put it back into the business. And we

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<v Speaker 2>for six years, seven years something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, well, at least you had that option that.

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<v Speaker 2>You could one hundred percent. And I think if we

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<v Speaker 2>we never would have survived. But it was more about

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<v Speaker 2>It was more about the pursuit of solving a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Was so intriguing to us. It was so interesting to us,

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<v Speaker 2>and every time that we ran up against a roadblock,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of got more exciting because it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're going to throw that at us, Let's figure

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<v Speaker 2>this out, and that's kind of our mindset early on

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<v Speaker 2>was very good. It was very fresh, it was very exciting,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that got us through the first five, six,

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<v Speaker 2>seven years. And now we've been at it for fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>almost fifteen years we've been doing this.

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<v Speaker 4>So wow.

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<v Speaker 3>It reminds me of I was John Madden's courting engineer

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<v Speaker 3>for a number of years and he always used to say,

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry about the horse being blind, just load the wagon.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And you are a perfect example of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, if you have this challenge, do you

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<v Speaker 3>quit or you go around it? And you just barrel

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<v Speaker 3>through it and you seem to have successfully done that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's you're very lucky because you didn't need to

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<v Speaker 3>make that money. You could put it back into the

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<v Speaker 3>business where some people will, you know, come up with

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<v Speaker 3>a new tea and leave everything else behind, thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>they can make a living on creating a new tea.

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<v Speaker 4>This was congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for I appreciate This was John Mann and

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<v Speaker 2>the football guy. Yeah, oh wow, yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, have you had uh well, let me ask you

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<v Speaker 3>about you said you were.

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<v Speaker 4>A faculty member at this university, teaching golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, yes, So there's sixteen. There was sixteen universities

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<v Speaker 2>around the US that had PGA golf management programs.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, golf management, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, where high school students can enroll. They can get

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<v Speaker 2>a business degree and then their major would be PGA

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<v Speaker 2>Golf management and they could graduate with their class APGA card.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I graduated, I tried to play professional golf

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years. Figured out that wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't good enough. And then I taught for a

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<v Speaker 2>while in Texas. And then when I came back to

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<v Speaker 2>would you like a job. And I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still trying to play. I'm still trying to teach. He's like, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably need to start settling down, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like okay. So then in two thousand and seven I

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<v Speaker 2>started at the university. Loved it, loved teaching, loved being

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<v Speaker 2>in the classroom, loved being around the younger students. That

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<v Speaker 2>kept me young. Being around a college campus is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Ton of amenities, football teams, basketball teams. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>kept being drawn kind of towards the end to running

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<v Speaker 2>this program and felt like there was some there was

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<v Speaker 2>some need in the industry that if we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>let this thing fizzle out, probably not the best decision.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a tough call going in and you know, saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to move on from this job

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<v Speaker 2>that I really enjoyed, that I love that, I love

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<v Speaker 2>the students, but in twenty sixteen it was time to

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<v Speaker 2>walk away and do full time and certainly misteaching at

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<v Speaker 2>the university level. But you can't have everything, So.

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<v Speaker 4>You move on, Yes, you do. You must move on.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this does your program compete with the First Tea program?

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<v Speaker 4>Where is it a compliment?

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<v Speaker 2>We are a little bit different than the First Tea

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<v Speaker 2>And there's some First Tea locations that run off thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wouldn't say that we're competitors. The First Tea

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't unbollievably good job of teaching the life skills and

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<v Speaker 2>getting folks to try golf and go through their curriculum.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they get them on the golf course as much

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<v Speaker 2>as they would like know? And they would admit to that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why they reach out to us for help

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<v Speaker 2>in getting people on the golf course. A good way

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<v Speaker 2>to view this is like OP. Thirty six is the

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<v Speaker 2>welcome matt to the game of golf, and then after

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<v Speaker 2>somebody gets somewhat proficient at playing the game, they could

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<v Speaker 2>shoot thirty six from maybe let's say our first three

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<v Speaker 2>or four levels. Step two would be PGA Junior League.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a pg of America program. They do a wonderful job

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<v Speaker 2>at over twenty five hundred locations around the country where

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a two person team, two to three person team,

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<v Speaker 2>you have uniforms on, and you compete at different golf

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<v Speaker 2>courses around your area. And then step three in our

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<v Speaker 2>kind of roadmap, Op thirty six PGA Junior League would

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<v Speaker 2>be like your high school team or a local junior tour,

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<v Speaker 2>like a US Kids Golf Tour type thing. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we try to explain to parents is that I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't try all of them at once. I would start

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<v Speaker 2>without thirty six, Get your feet wet, get comfortable at

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<v Speaker 2>a local program with your golf pro with your arm

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<v Speaker 2>around you helping you. Then go to junior league, and

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<v Speaker 2>then go to the next step.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting have you had.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you been approached by sponsors, you know, a big

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<v Speaker 3>name golf company saying we'd like to associate our name

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<v Speaker 3>with this. Can we whether it be US Kids Club

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<v Speaker 3>or Callaway or you know something titleist you know, put

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<v Speaker 3>their name and if they approached you, would you be

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<v Speaker 3>open to that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have not been approached by an equipment company officially. Unofficially,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a couple of times, and we are also

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<v Speaker 2>in the process of coming out with a solution in

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<v Speaker 2>the equipment space with a manufacturer, so that hopefully is

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<v Speaker 2>going to continue to move down to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>Our biggest person that had reached out to us would

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<v Speaker 2>be Rory McIlroy recently reached out and did a spot

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<v Speaker 2>for us on the Golf Channel on Golf Pass and

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<v Speaker 2>he did a five I think it was five segments

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<v Speaker 2>with Lauren Thompson from the Golf Channel on starting the

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<v Speaker 2>game of golf using up thirty six. And Rory has

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<v Speaker 2>a daughter that he's trying to get into the game

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<v Speaker 2>of golf, and I think when he saw op thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six he saw some of our metrics, like, it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see all of us at out thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>can see of the two hundred thousand people around the

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<v Speaker 2>world doing OP thirty six. You can see demographics, you

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<v Speaker 2>can see ages, you can see scores, and our demographics

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<v Speaker 2>are very girl friendly, lady friendly for adults. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think when Rory started to hear about that, he was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great way to get my daughter involved. It

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<v Speaker 2>was great to meet him and watch him do his

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<v Speaker 2>thing on camera back in January and Florida. And that

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<v Speaker 2>will probably be the biggest one bread.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is that is an incredible endorsement, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>on your website.

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<v Speaker 4>Operation thirty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Dot golf is your website and you can see the

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<v Speaker 3>Rory video there and it's wonderful and it makes it

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<v Speaker 3>so easy to understand at that point they did.

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<v Speaker 2>A wonderful job on production.

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<v Speaker 4>They really did. They really did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's part of the beauty of this program

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<v Speaker 3>is it's not that difficult to understand. You really have

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<v Speaker 3>created something that cuts all you know, cuts out all

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<v Speaker 3>the noise.

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<v Speaker 2>The explanation and the understanding, as we have learned over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, has to be spot on. It has to

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<v Speaker 2>be an a plus if you're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to survive. And so we everything from our name

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<v Speaker 2>Operation thirty six to our tagline, to our twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>elevator pitch, all of that has been refined. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know how many times what version we're on,

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<v Speaker 2>but like now when I get in an elevator with somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>or I was in Oregon last week doing a training,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can spit off in fifteen seconds what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just have a couple catchwords for them like

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<v Speaker 2>welcome Matt, like something that they understand and then they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay, you're just like Karate're like yeah, yeah, levels

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<v Speaker 2>move them through. Everybody starts at white Belt, and the

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<v Speaker 2>days of like explaining a lot to people like are,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in my experience, are so far gone. Like

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<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to listen to more than twenty seconds or

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seconds, Like if you don't have something good to

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<v Speaker 2>say in twenty or thirty seconds, like they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>tune you out. And COVID accelerated that. I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I see it with my kids, like attention spans have shrunk,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to survive, you got to be

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<v Speaker 2>good at your fifteen twenty second elevator pitch. And a

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<v Speaker 2>turning point for us was when we changed our name.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to have a really long name that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense, and then we went to another name

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't make any sense, and another name that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense, and our fourth name, operation thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember pitching it to a couple of members at

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<v Speaker 2>the course to see if they understood what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, oh, okay, so you're on an

426
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<v Speaker 2>operation to try to shoot thirty six and you start

427
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<v Speaker 2>close and you move back. That makes sense and that

428
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<v Speaker 2>When the member repeated that back, I was like, all right,

429
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<v Speaker 2>we got a name.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we left with a cliffhanger. And the obvious question,

431
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<v Speaker 3>I hope not just for me, is what were the

432
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<v Speaker 3>other names?

433
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<v Speaker 4>What did you start out with?

434
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<v Speaker 2>So the first name we had the best way to

435
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<v Speaker 2>visualize this is we used to take paper checks for

436
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<v Speaker 2>tuition from parents and they couldn't fit it on the line.

437
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<v Speaker 2>It was so long. It was called it was called

438
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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, the state North Carolina, long Term Athlete Development.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, yeah, it's a couple of academics coming up with.

440
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<v Speaker 2>A name, right. It's not creative people, No, it was not.

441
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<v Speaker 2>And I think if you were asked, Matt, I think

442
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<v Speaker 2>I kind of voted for that as an academic right

443
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<v Speaker 2>because you're trying to make it sound great. But and

444
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<v Speaker 2>then to try to put that on a T shirt,

445
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.079
<v Speaker 2>to put that on a hat like that was absolutely

446
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<v Speaker 2>not a win. And then the next name we did

447
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<v Speaker 2>was the Edge E D G E. The Edge. And

448
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 2>the challenge in our local area is that I think

449
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<v Speaker 2>there's a plumbing or electrician that's also named like the

450
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<v Speaker 2>Edge plumbing. So it was completely confusing with.

451
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<v Speaker 3>The famous guitar player. Yeah right, wasn't he on YouTube?

452
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<v Speaker 3>Guitar player for YouTube?

453
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.

454
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, Okay, And why the

455
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<v Speaker 4>what did the edge supposed to mean?

456
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<v Speaker 2>We were trying to appeal to too many things. We

457
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<v Speaker 2>were trying to show parents that we would go over

458
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<v Speaker 2>nutrition and fitness, that we would go over golf, that

459
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<v Speaker 2>we go over athletic skills, and go over something else.

460
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<v Speaker 2>So we tried to figure out, how can we show

461
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<v Speaker 2>them that we were over the edge or up to

462
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<v Speaker 2>the edge on training something like that.

463
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<v Speaker 4>It didn't work, It still doesn't work.

464
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<v Speaker 2>It's not great. And then we did.

465
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<v Speaker 5>Let's see so in twenty fourteen, fifteen sixteen, the thing

466
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<v Speaker 5>was to put the letter I lowercase I in front

467
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<v Speaker 5>of whatever you did to kind of like apple right.

468
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<v Speaker 2>So we were I grow golf, I go golf for

469
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<v Speaker 2>a little while, but that didn't make too much sense,

470
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<v Speaker 2>especially when we started to expand outside of North Carolina

471
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<v Speaker 2>to other states and training other coaches. It just didn't

472
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<v Speaker 2>make a lot of sense. We were, by trial and air,

473
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<v Speaker 2>figured out a way to narrow the name down to

474
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<v Speaker 2>Operation thirty six Golf, and the stick is that like

475
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<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand people around the world are on the

476
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<v Speaker 2>same operation, the same challenge as you. You're all trying

477
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<v Speaker 2>to beat the golf course. You're not trying to beat

478
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<v Speaker 2>each other. Which that line to moms is super powerful

479
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<v Speaker 2>because the mom who's getting their daughter or son into

480
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<v Speaker 2>the game, their biggest fear is that it's going to

481
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<v Speaker 2>be too competitive and they're not going to fall in

482
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<v Speaker 2>love with the game. So we try as best as

483
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<v Speaker 2>we can to say it's not Fred versus Ryan, it's

484
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<v Speaker 2>Fred and Ryan versus the golf course. And I want

485
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<v Speaker 2>Fred to beat thirty six just as much as I

486
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<v Speaker 2>want to beat thirty six. And if Fred beats thirty six,

487
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<v Speaker 2>I want to give him a high five because I'm

488
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<v Speaker 2>excited for him, and if I do it, he's going

489
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<v Speaker 2>to do it for me. So it creates this environment

490
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<v Speaker 2>like golf course which is pretty cool where like twenty

491
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<v Speaker 2>or thirty people show up every Saturday night to play

492
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<v Speaker 2>in a nice whole event and it's not ultra competitive,

493
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<v Speaker 2>it's more encouraging. Might be the better way to say it.

494
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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean every Saturday night? What is that?

495
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<v Speaker 4>What did you just throw in there?

496
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<v Speaker 2>So in OP thirty six is a program, right that

497
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<v Speaker 2>you would sign up for somebody would sign up for.

498
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<v Speaker 2>And in this program, there are two things that you do. One,

499
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<v Speaker 2>the coach is going to have a one hour class

500
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<v Speaker 2>with you, small group class with five or six people

501
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 2>looking on short game, working on full swing, whatever the

502
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>curriculum calls for. And then the second thing that that

503
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<v Speaker 2>coach does is they put on a formal nine hole

504
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.559
<v Speaker 2>event twice a month. So at our golf course here

505
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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina, on Saturday night, every other week, we

506
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<v Speaker 2>have a nine hole event where twenty or thirty people come,

507
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the golf professionals. The course runs an official nine hole event.

508
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<v Speaker 2>We have scorecards, and if we beat thirty six during

509
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<v Speaker 2>that official nine whole event, then we move from level

510
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>one to level two, so you can't move on and

511
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 2>out thirty six playing casually. We have found through testing

512
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<v Speaker 2>that when you let folks go out with their grandparents

513
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>or they go out with their parents, you don't have

514
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<v Speaker 2>as much control of the rules. Maybe the best way

515
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<v Speaker 2>to say it. So when they beat thirty six, sometimes

516
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you're like, did they really beat it? So then we said,

517
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<v Speaker 2>all right, it's got to be in a formal nine

518
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<v Speaker 2>whole event that the coach puts on for you to

519
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>advance through the different levels.

520
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<v Speaker 4>Yep, okay, okay. So it's not just for kids though.

521
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<v Speaker 3>You have adults who are also being introduced to golf

522
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<v Speaker 3>who are stepping onto that welcome Matt and I love that.

523
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<v Speaker 3>By the way, that's probably the name of this episode

524
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 3>is something about the welcome Matt. But you have adults

525
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<v Speaker 3>being able to participate as well being introduced.

526
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<v Speaker 4>To the game. Yeap.

527
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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't our intention. Fort really was the kids. Because

528
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>my son was born, I wanted to have an environment

529
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<v Speaker 2>for him to grow up in with other kids. It

530
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<v Speaker 2>was like in year six or seven, a couple of

531
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<v Speaker 2>the moms tapped us on the shoulder and said, hey, Ryan,

532
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<v Speaker 2>my son loves this. I've never seen him love something before,

533
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<v Speaker 2>like he loves golf. Can you teach us how to

534
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<v Speaker 2>play the game of golf the same way that you're

535
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<v Speaker 2>teaching my son. And originally we were like, you know what,

536
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>we're just a kids organization. We stick with juniors. But

537
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<v Speaker 2>then when like three moms come up and they say, hey,

538
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<v Speaker 2>the three of us want to take a class together,

539
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>will you please do this for us, and we're like,

540
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<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll do the same thing we do with

541
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<v Speaker 2>the kids with you. And they loved it. Like they

542
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 2>went out and they played on a Saturday night. They

543
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<v Speaker 2>shot like a forty three their first time out. They

544
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>took that scorecard, but they shot forty three. They brought

545
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>it home, they showed it to their husband, who can't

546
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>shoot forty three. They loved it, and they came back

547
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<v Speaker 2>next week and they said, coach, I can't wait to

548
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<v Speaker 2>shoot forty two, forty one, forty and visualize this for

549
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<v Speaker 2>this is from twenty five yards away, right, So they're

550
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 2>taking like a pitching ledge and they might chunk it,

551
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>which is okay, we all do that. They might lay

552
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>it on the green and then they might miraculously tuput

553
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>from ten feet and they've made their first par Ever,

554
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>we've had people like blade it hit, the pin goes

555
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>like a foot away, they knock it in for their

556
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>first eagle and they are just ecstatic. Right, So we

557
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>all we've done is just taken this beautiful game of

558
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>golf and just shrunk it down to this small, bite

559
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 2>sized beginning step in hopes we don't succeed one hundred

560
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 2>percent of the time, but in hopes that somebody will

561
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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the true joy of golf, which is shooting a

562
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.119
<v Speaker 2>number and coming back going I think I can do

563
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>better if I practice a little bit more. And then

564
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>they practice a little bit more, they shoot a thirty nine,

565
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<v Speaker 2>and the day they shoot thirty six, they're super excited.

566
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<v Speaker 2>But the cool part is once they beat thirty six,

567
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<v Speaker 2>they know that the next goal is to go back.

568
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<v Speaker 2>Yardage makes the golf course harder, So they go back

569
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<v Speaker 2>to fifty yards and they try to do it again,

570
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and then one hundred yards, and they keep going back,

571
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<v Speaker 2>and we've had some people go all the way back

572
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<v Speaker 2>to the back teas at the course thirty five hundred

573
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<v Speaker 2>yards and they've been in the program for seven, eight

574
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>nine years, just continuing to work back to the tea

575
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<v Speaker 2>box at the golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm thinking about my wife who doesn't play golf,

577
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.319
<v Speaker 3>because she keeps saying I don't care.

578
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<v Speaker 4>About putting a ball in the hole. You know. It's like,

579
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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's like because.

580
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 3>She's not competitive in any in that way, but I

581
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 3>can see her getting excited about but I did it.

582
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<v Speaker 3>I got a par for twenty five yards, because then

583
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<v Speaker 3>it's like within her skill set, right, I mean, like,

584
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 3>she goes, I'll play nine hole with you. I'm like, yeah,

585
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 3>but if we're going to play nine holes, I want

586
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 3>you to go hit some balls first. I don't want

587
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:06.279
<v Speaker 3>you to just walk on the golf course without it.

588
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 3>And she goes, no, I don't want to do that.

589
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, then let's not do this, please, let's

590
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 3>not do this. So but once they achieve thirty six

591
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>on the nine holes at twenty five yards, they.

592
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 4>Do move back trying to achieve thirty six each distance.

593
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<v Speaker 2>Yep, is that how that works? Yeah? So we have

594
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<v Speaker 2>ten total levels. So if you think about the belt

595
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>system in karate, I think they have twelve belts. We

596
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 2>have ten levels. Somebody starts at twenty five yards level one.

597
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 2>That means every hole for nine holes is approximately twenty

598
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>five yards away. Okay, Now, if the superintendent puts the

599
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 2>pin like really far back, it might be forty yards.

600
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<v Speaker 2>If they puts it really far forward, it might be

601
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>fifteen yards. It's about twenty five. Once they beat thirty six,

602
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>it might take them three or four attempts. They go

603
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>back to level two fifty yards to the center of

604
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the green, and then they keep moving back one hundred yards,

605
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>one fifty, two hundred front tees, silver teas, all the

606
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 2>way back to We have ten levels in the program,

607
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<v Speaker 2>and I would say the most popular levels is people

608
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>usually go one through five and then they move on

609
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>to either private lessons, or they move on to PGA

610
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Junior League, or they move on to the next step.

611
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<v Speaker 2>But for the first year or two, we do a

612
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<v Speaker 2>I think we do as good of a job as

613
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 2>anybody as making that first year or two really fun

614
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 2>for somebody and gets them hooked on the game. When

615
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>they're at Christmas parties, they can tell people that they've

616
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>played golf and they've shot a decent score, and they've

617
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>had a birdie and they've had a par They don't

618
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 2>have to be that guy that says, I'm horrible at golf.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I shoot one hundred and fifty. But the interesting thing,

620
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<v Speaker 2>and I'll bring it up to you, is like we

621
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<v Speaker 2>do very well with juniors, We do very well with ladies.

622
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<v Speaker 2>The demographic that we don't do great with, which I

623
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<v Speaker 2>completely understand, is men. They don't want to start close

624
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to the whole. They want to be on the black teams,

625
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>even if they shoot one hundred and ten. But we're

626
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 2>slowly getting in roads in the men's demographic, especially in

627
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Florida with the older crowd that feels like maybe they're

628
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 2>not they don't hit it far enough to enjoy the

629
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>course anymore. We're having success at facilities and getting people

630
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<v Speaker 2>restarted in the game at twenty five yards away then

631
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<v Speaker 2>fifty in one hundred.

632
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<v Speaker 3>That way, No wonder if seniors would appreciate having that opportunity,

633
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<v Speaker 3>and seniors who've been playing golf long time. You just say,

634
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<v Speaker 3>I think that was kind of the idea of play

635
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 3>it forward, like right, yep.

636
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<v Speaker 2>And I think the only thing that we did differently

637
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>than play it forward was we expanded fast enough that

638
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 2>we attached a number to it. But then we also

639
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<v Speaker 2>could say, Fred, you're not the only person doing it.

640
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<v Speaker 2>There's eighty other people here that are doing there's two

641
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand around the country that are doing this. Like

642
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>you're not the only one play it forward. I think

643
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was tough because you didn't want to be the only

644
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 2>one moving forward. But if there's twenty people out there

645
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Saturday night, like pace a play is awesome. Like these

646
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>folks play in an hour and fifteen minutes, Like they

647
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>play fast and they get done and then they have

648
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>a meal at the course with their family and the

649
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 2>golf course loves it. Why because food and beverage goes

650
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>up because every Saturday night everybody wants to celebrate and

651
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 2>eat at the course, and rounds are up at these places,

652
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's been fun to watch, it really has.

653
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 3>So it sounds like it only works on nine hole courses.

654
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 3>You don't do this on eighteen whole courses. And are

655
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 3>they mostly you know, I can't imagine, you know, private courses,

656
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 3>resort courses, country clubs. Some country clubs may have a

657
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 3>nine whole course that they can participate. Tell me the

658
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 3>scope of what kind of courses that you get involved

659
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 3>and do you approach or do they come to you?

660
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the course. There are eighteen hole, thirty six

661
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>hole fifty four hole facilities that do OP thirty six.

662
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>They just do it on one of the nine holes

663
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I see right, So they maybe like, we have three

664
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 2>nine hole courses here at our facility. So maybe in

665
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 2>the month of November we play the Orange course in

666
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.519
<v Speaker 2>the Black course, maybe the next month we play the

667
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 2>White course. In the Black course, we just do nine holes.

668
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 2>We put markers in the fairway for folks to play

669
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>from the different yardages, and they just walk up and

670
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 2>play from those yardages. Are three courses do very well

671
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.400
<v Speaker 2>with OP thirty six, even the ones that are artificial turf,

672
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 2>they do a very good job with OP thirty six.

673
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Resort courses, you nailed it. That's a little bit harder

674
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>for us, just because the golf pro doesn't see the

675
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 2>person more than maybe that weekend or more than a

676
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>week But our split private versus public golf courses is

677
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>stronger in private facilities private golf courses than it is

678
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 2>in public currently. Why because public golf courses right now,

679
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, are very very crowded, and to

680
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 2>get beginners on the golf course or to find a

681
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>teaching pro, because that's currently, you can't do OP thirty

682
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>six officially unless you do it with or through a

683
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 2>golf professional of course. So like private golf clubs, for

684
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>the most part in the US usually have a pretty

685
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>good staff of assistant pros teaching pros that they could

686
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>run a program like this, we're running into challenges at

687
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>public golf courses where maybe they just have a head pro,

688
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 2>they don't have an assistant or a teaching pro. But

689
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 2>we are seeing just observing the market and as it's

690
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>talking to us the independent contry, people that raise their

691
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>hand and say I want to teach are starting to

692
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>increase at public facilities where they'll approach a golf course

693
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>and they'll say, hey, I want to run OP thirty six.

694
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Can I pay you a revenue share of what I

695
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 2>do and I'll run up thirty six. So it'll be

696
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>interesting again to observe how the market ads and flows,

697
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>but mostly we're at private courses. Publics are starting to

698
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>grow a little bit more and the way that people

699
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 2>start in OP thirty six is a golf professional. We'll

700
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>call us or go on the website and they'll say, hey,

701
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to run OUT thirty six. Our sales team

702
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>will go through and give them a demo to see

703
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>if it's something that they want to do. And we

704
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>also have moms and dads that'll reach out to us

705
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and say, Hey, I live in Spokane, Washington. My daughter

706
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>really wants to get involved in the game of golf

707
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 2>throughout thirty six. But I look on your map and

708
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>there's no facilities. Will you guys reach out to Spokane

709
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Country Club and we'll pick up the phone and we'll say, Hey,

710
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 2>there's a family in your area that wants OP thirty six.

711
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 2>This probably means there's other families in your area. Can

712
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 2>we give you a short demo of what OP thirty

713
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>six is and then they'll try to kind of move

714
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.559
<v Speaker 2>them along and see if it's a good fit.

715
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 3>And you've had success in doing it that way.

716
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and no more so more so when a coach

717
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is already ready to go right right and we're running

718
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>into this in every industry, or we go to a

719
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 2>restaurant now hiring, we go to the local police department,

720
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 2>they're hiring, same thing. In the golf industry. We're short

721
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 2>on coaches, we're short on golf pros. So when we

722
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>call up Spokane Country Club and say, hey, would you

723
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>like to run the program? Sometimes these facilities go yes,

724
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 2>I would love to front the program. I just don't

725
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 2>have anybody to run right. So we've been in good

726
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 2>talks with the PGA of America to try to figure

727
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>out ways to bridge the gap hiring and getting more

728
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>people into the game as golf professionals. But certainly after COVID,

729
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>that has been a challenge to find really good golf coaches.

730
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 2>So when you do find an OUP thirty six program

731
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that's running right now, we're pretty confident there's a really

732
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>good coach who's running it.

733
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 4>Great.

734
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Great And what has the PGA of America. How have

735
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 3>they responded to this program?

736
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>They are they've been very very supportive. We're PGA members,

737
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>myself and Matt, and they really Steve Tanner has been

738
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 2>a very supportive. He's the PGA Junior League director, and

739
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>he really sees the light on. Welcome Matt. Top thirty six.

740
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>PGA Junior League is step two that's really helped them

741
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>as well. So I would just say, for the most part,

742
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 2>on the whole, PJ of America has been very supportive

743
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of OP thirty six and helping grow the game.

744
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, good job, good job.

745
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 3>So I got to believe that when you were talking

746
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.679
<v Speaker 3>about doing it at night, you know you have to

747
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 3>have classes around it.

748
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 4>That you.

749
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Can't do it when other golfers are on the course.

750
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 3>You've got to pretty much dedicate that nine whole course

751
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 3>for operation thirty six Op thirty six so it doesn't

752
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 3>mess up with other players at the same time.

753
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 4>Is that how that you could do it?

754
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>A couple different ways to do that. One is if

755
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 2>you have enough players, Like if you have forty five players,

756
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.159
<v Speaker 2>you can have the golf course run a shotgun for

757
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 2>nine holes because you're paying them green spees. You're not

758
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>asking for free golf. So the golf professional is paying

759
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 2>for the greens fees. If they have enough players, they

760
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 2>can block off all nine holes. Or I would say

761
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in most cases they just do tea times, so you'll say, hey,

762
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>can I get sixty times? Can I get eight te times?

763
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>And then you would send them off in groups of

764
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 2>three or four, And like I was saying earlier, the

765
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>pace of play is really good, so it's not like

766
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>they are being pushed by folks. They are actually pushing

767
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>play a little bit, which is a great feeling to

768
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 2>have as a beginner. That you don't have somebody behind

769
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 2>you yelling, hey, go faster, you're actually the one that's

770
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 2>pushing play. But there is a science maybe it's an art,

771
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure which word to figuring out how to

772
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>get beginners on the golf course that doesn't interrupt play,

773
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't bother current players, and is also feels good for

774
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the beginner as well.

775
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure

776
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 4>going on.

777
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, a ton of things, even down to like just

778
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>driving a cart for a beginner, Like it's just different

779
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 2>driving a golf cart. We've had to kind of create

780
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>courses for players on driving a golf cart, getting range balls,

781
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 2>What do you wear, what do you not wear? Like

782
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not like picking up a basketball or a

783
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 2>basketball court. Like getting into golf is a little bit challenging.

784
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:13.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the commitment, commitment, yeah kind of yeah, yep. Yeah.

785
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 3>And what's the minimum and maximum size of a group

786
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>or a class.

787
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 2>We recommend six to one. If there's two coaches, that

788
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>would be twelve students. If it's one at six. There

789
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 2>are some coaches that run out thirty six that only

790
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>want four in a class. There's some that would like

791
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>eight in a class. A lot of it's depending on

792
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 2>the coach and how comfortable they are, but at the

793
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>facility that we run here in North Carolina, we usually

794
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>go six. Six is a great number to have, especially

795
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 2>with the ladies. They have other people around them that

796
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.880
<v Speaker 2>enjoy doing it. You can pair up for different games

797
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you're playing, but for the weekly class, six is about right.

798
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that makes sense. Yep, this is so great.

799
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 3>So you know, we've done multiple episodes over the past

800
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 3>on you know, people saying, Hey, I want to get

801
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 3>my kid into playing golf.

802
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 4>What's the best way to get them started? So here's

803
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 4>your opportunity. Make your pitch. I would.

804
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I would revert a little bit to the research that

805
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the majority of people that get into the game had

806
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>parents that got into the game. So if you're a

807
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 2>parent out there that doesn't play, I would join an

808
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>OP thirty six program to play because that would help

809
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>your kid play. That would be my first suggestion. Second

810
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>suggestion would be go on Amazon. We've got a book

811
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 2>called How to Create a Junior Golfer. I think it's

812
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 2>seven bucks eight bucks. It's like an hour read one

813
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 2>hundred pages, and we wrote it a couple of years

814
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 2>ago based on the question that you just asked me, like,

815
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a mom, I want to get my kid into

816
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 2>the game. What should I do? And eight or nine

817
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>chapters with stories of players from all around the country,

818
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 2>little girls and boys and adults that started in the

819
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>game of golf. And it's a I think that's that's

820
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the easiest way to start, because then the mom feels

821
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 2>like she knows a little bit. I think the worst

822
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.679
<v Speaker 2>scenario is she goes into the shop, the dad goes

823
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 2>into the shop. They don't know what to expect. So

824
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>if you read that book seven eight bucks, that'll get

825
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you started on what is about to happen. And then

826
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>if you go to our website OP thirty six dot

827
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 2>golf find a program, you can find a program, hopefully

828
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>within your area that that runs OP thirty six and

829
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't, you can contact us and we'll reach

830
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 2>out to the different golf courses to see But as

831
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>long as somebody is not crazy rural like in the

832
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 2>middle of Montana or the middle of Idaho, there's usually

833
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a golf course pretty close to where where folks are

834
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that they could get started in OP thirty.

835
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 4>Six And what's the name of the book again?

836
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 2>How to create a junior golfer. Okay, yep, I think

837
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I have.

838
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's okay, we'll find it and I'll definitely put

839
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 3>a link in the show notes to the Amazon link.

840
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.719
<v Speaker 3>And you said OP thirty six dot Golf or is

841
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 3>it Operation thirty six dot Golf or is it both?

842
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Either want to work? Okay, yep, either want to work yep.

843
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, Ryan, this is a phenomenal program. I'm very impressed,

844
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 3>and clearly you've put a lot of thought behind it

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<v Speaker 3>and made it work, especially with the name. Congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really glad that we were introduced to it. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I work with the first t on helping

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<v Speaker 3>kids fall in love with the game and learn the

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<v Speaker 3>life lessons.

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<v Speaker 4>But this I can see. I want to get my.

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<v Speaker 3>Granddaughter starting to play golf, and my grandson, I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a great way to do it, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they love I have a putting green in my backyard

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<v Speaker 3>and so when they come to visit, it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>Grandpa, can we go play golf? It's like yes. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>makes me cry every time they ask.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think this is an amazing program and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sorry I've not heard about it yet.

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<v Speaker 4>But I sure, I'm glad it's come across my table.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for the supprise, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. We can ever help it any way,

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<v Speaker 2>Please reach out.

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<v Speaker 3>Well A message to phill a Share above Eli, Cambridgeshire, UK,

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<v Speaker 3>who did our opening in today's episode. You know that

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<v Speaker 3>you and your golf buddies are also invited to join

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<v Speaker 3>our Golf Smarter adventure next spring. Right, it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>where you listen to Golf Smarter or whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>you're a Golf Smarter ambassador. I want you to join

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<v Speaker 3>us for three great rounds on the legendary Robert Trent

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<v Speaker 3>Find all our episodes at golf smarterpodcast dot com, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you have any questions about our adventure, updates on

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<v Speaker 3>your game, or suggestions for a new episode, please write

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<v Speaker 3>to me directly golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com.