Speaker 1: On on on Welcome to the CEO pre show for
Speaker 1: episode four sixty nine.
Speaker 2: For sixty nine, nice, I was gonna say that, Nah,
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Speaker 2: Whether they like it or not.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Uncle Bred was on a self proclaimed time
Speaker 1: like hard out schedule shut down out of here, most
Speaker 1: likely because he had tackle Bell before he got here.
Speaker 2: You ever said an episode of Ghostbusters where Winston plays
Speaker 2: baseball with Good and Evil and then the other Ghostbusters
Speaker 2: are there in the audience and thinking, oh man, we
Speaker 2: should cheat so that Winston will win it they won't
Speaker 2: take a soul, And then at the end it turns
Speaker 2: out that they're not playing for Winston's soul, they're playing
Speaker 2: for Peter's, and Peter was the one that wanted to cheat.
Speaker 1: It sounds like that song when the Devil went down
Speaker 1: to Georgia.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like that, except now I'm not necessarily
Speaker 2: on a time crunch for my benefits as much as your.
Speaker 1: Benefit, time benefit for Gary's toilet. Right, Okay, Well, now
Speaker 1: that we've figured all that out. Hey, do you do
Speaker 1: you have a topic for today's pre show?
Speaker 2: I did have a thought, A really a really legitimate
Speaker 2: magic thought. This magic.
Speaker 1: This is classic pre show warm up, old school stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was sitting down and I was taking
Speaker 2: I took apart Maria uh tap artifact make.
Speaker 1: Me Oh yeah, one of our most successful deck techs
Speaker 1: and episodes from last year, the Maria and thirteen mox
Speaker 1: Diamonds or whatever it was. Yeah, mox Emerald, mox Emerald.
Speaker 2: Everybody liked that shit. So I took that thing apart
Speaker 2: because it just wasn't doing the doing the gimmick. And
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, why didn't it do the gimmick?
Speaker 2: Why didn't because it teed all the things to do
Speaker 2: the thing, and then it just didn't do the thing.
Speaker 1: I thought, you took it apart because people hated it.
Speaker 2: No, No, actually it was one of the very few
Speaker 2: times I think I've ever played a static orb on
Speaker 2: somebody and then we're just immediate the good brun such
Speaker 2: a bad guy because you can demonstrate like I'm turning
Speaker 2: it off, so it's only gonna take me a few
Speaker 2: turns to kill you. Yeah, I have nine seven sevens
Speaker 2: and you're untapping one landa turn. I got you. We
Speaker 2: are not the same, right, So it's good in that way.
Speaker 2: But so I took it apart, like why wasn't it
Speaker 2: getting there?
Speaker 1: And I figured it out.
Speaker 2: Figured it out because when you're doing something janky, kind
Speaker 2: of junky, my favorite was doing One of the best
Speaker 2: ways to do that is to have your your your
Speaker 2: deck plateau like get to the very very top of
Speaker 2: its power curve at like in the middle of the game,
Speaker 2: not turns, but like in the phase like the beginning,
Speaker 2: you have nothing, so you build until you have something,
Speaker 2: and then you play the thing that your deck does.
Speaker 2: If you can have a janky deck that wins in
Speaker 2: the getting set up phase or just by a continuous,
Speaker 2: never ending setup phase, the decks just get really really good,
Speaker 2: don't they. Example, Omnath Locus of Rage. What does that
Speaker 2: deck actually do? What does it actually do? It ramps
Speaker 2: to seven and plays Omnath and then it just keeps
Speaker 2: on a rampant. All it does is play land. That's it.
Speaker 1: My answer was gonna be when you say what does
Speaker 1: that deck actually do? I say play lands? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: somewhere in that whole situation is there's an omnath that
Speaker 1: arrives and he's like, hey, guys, what's going on. We're
Speaker 1: playing fucking lands.
Speaker 2: Right, Yep, that's all we want to do, right, And
Speaker 2: I've noticed there's a couple of decks that kind of
Speaker 2: do that. Bellows another really good example where you play
Speaker 2: all these janky, fucking shitty enchantments, and the reason that
Speaker 2: deck is good is because you get all the benefit
Speaker 2: from playing all the jank garbage, but you don't have
Speaker 2: to dilute your deck by playing things that take advantage
Speaker 2: of the jank garbage, instead of having to play creatures
Speaker 2: that are gonna get plus one plus oh and haste
Speaker 2: when they attack. I think you play Street Riot. The
Speaker 2: Street Riot itself is the right. And I think that
Speaker 2: Jenk decks have like a especially now with all the
Speaker 2: design space that they've built, I'm sure there's lots more
Speaker 2: little spaces you can find, like decks that just win
Speaker 2: by drawing cards, not by playing cards by drawing them,
Speaker 2: or decks that win by playing the land or by
Speaker 2: making the man out, or by playing this just junk
Speaker 2: form of whatever. Again, using Bellows example, you can just
Speaker 2: play trash enchantments as long as they cost four or more.
Speaker 2: They're good, whereas in any other situation, it's like, why
Speaker 2: did you even bother with that? Right?
Speaker 1: I thought you said you didn't have a topic.
Speaker 2: I didn't until I started talking about the thing I
Speaker 2: was thinking about today.
Speaker 1: Uncle Branda Wax's poetic about Gruel Deck. Yeah Bello one
Speaker 1: of our most popular lists from twenty twenty four. And
Speaker 1: I can say that now because we're heading into like
Speaker 1: the holiday end of year and wrap up. And I
Speaker 1: was looking at some of the stats for the business
Speaker 1: daddies because you know, they're putting the screws to the goons. Hey,
Speaker 1: they're putting our thumbs and screws and dangling our toes
Speaker 1: over fire, smacking the bottoms of our feet with cricket mallets.
Speaker 2: Man, what are they called? Cricket bat?
Speaker 1: Cricket bats?
Speaker 2: You get to have all the fun.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, I'll send me your way next time.
Speaker 1: And anyways, Bellow is one of our most popular things.
Speaker 1: And it happens to also be a grul deck. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should be g Seal Gruel Cookout podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, Mria was also popular.
Speaker 1: We are not doing a grul deck tomorrow. Gcal also
Speaker 1: sounds like a like an engineered food additive or a
Speaker 1: preservative as well. Maybe we're not about that.
Speaker 2: Today. I saw a picture of one of those like
Speaker 2: few food processor machines, like the great big thing that
Speaker 2: they use to process whatever it is they make processed
Speaker 2: food out of to the food that it's process.
Speaker 1: Like a big grinder or a mixer or it.
Speaker 2: Just it looks like one of those what do you
Speaker 2: call the the science contraption where it's like the big
Speaker 2: vial and it's got the liquid in it and it
Speaker 2: goes down the swirly to tube and then it goes
Speaker 2: into something like an opaque cylinder of some kind and
Speaker 2: there's like a little thing at the bottom that like
Speaker 2: farts out the patty.
Speaker 1: I am, I can imagine what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. And then it had two
Speaker 2: folding shows in front of it.
Speaker 1: And that's how Commander Cookout builds decks.
Speaker 2: Yes, we just dumped crap into a thing into a tube.
Speaker 1: Somebody milks it like a cow. Looks like somebody's jerking
Speaker 1: off in reverse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, doing the thing and winning the game. Yes
Speaker 3: when Yeah, it's reductive when I say it like that,
Speaker 3: But usually there's steps, right and and those are what
Speaker 3: we would call phases of a game, like the beginning phase,
Speaker 3: the first three or four turns.
Speaker 1: Or the setup phase people call it. Beginning phase is
Speaker 1: like the phase of a turn, So we can't use that.
Speaker 1: But if we say the setup phase of a game
Speaker 1: is the first three turns, and you're talking about like
Speaker 1: strategies that are that that part of their stick is
Speaker 1: something that you do in the setup phase, something that
Speaker 1: you do in the main body of the game, and
Speaker 1: something that you do in the ending part, the finale
Speaker 1: of the game, or like the critical turn or the
Speaker 1: alpha strike time of the game.
Speaker 2: And I think those are the same thing, right if
Speaker 2: you're just doing the one thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that lands decks are like that
Speaker 1: because that is the main resource of the game. Is
Speaker 1: it called our June, the Shifting Flame, the Teffer's puzzle
Speaker 1: box guy, yep, every.
Speaker 2: Time you play a spell, you puzzle box yourself yourself.
Speaker 1: I feel like that one does that a little bit
Speaker 1: in that, like you want to be drawing as many
Speaker 1: cards as you can, so if you're if your commander
Speaker 1: and your deck is made to do that, like if
Speaker 1: everybody in your deck is a one drop cantrip, that's
Speaker 1: like scry and then puzzle box, cry and then puzzle box,
Speaker 1: and then every single time you cast as a means
Speaker 1: to puzzle box, you get to scry and set up
Speaker 1: the next things. Like, I think, I think that's one.
Speaker 2: That'd be a good one. I actually had ours do
Speaker 2: it for a while. Yeah, heart, way harder than you thought.
Speaker 1: I Oh, dude, you killed yourself every single time I've
Speaker 1: played against you in that deck. Actually I only think
Speaker 1: it's two times, but well, dred percent of the time
Speaker 1: you played that deck, you actually killed yourself and there's
Speaker 1: nothing that you could even do to stop it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't to may and oh I can't do this,
Speaker 1: and I have no cards in my library goops, and
Speaker 1: I have a spell on this deck, so I guess
Speaker 1: I have to draw seven. I wish it would at
Speaker 1: least I think. I think creature types that like, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking elf ball is like that. What do you how
Speaker 1: do you win? I'm just gonna cast every elf in
Speaker 1: my deck? Well, what does everyone do makes me mana
Speaker 1: and makes more elves or makes my elves bigger? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think goblins are like that, which is funny because
Speaker 1: murphoken zombies like the other two kind of classic tribes.
Speaker 1: Soldiers maybe soldiers is kind of like that, but but
Speaker 1: I don't think Murpholken zombies are like zombies don't really
Speaker 1: care what you're doing because they're just gonna do what
Speaker 1: they do because they can come back. And Murpho only
Speaker 1: care what you do, so they can stop it to
Speaker 1: do their own thing.
Speaker 2: And they kind of suck. We can say that. Still,
Speaker 2: do you think I think they do.
Speaker 1: The classic tribes? Okay, let's rank them. This is cool. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you think Murpho probably.
Speaker 2: Five of the five that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you think goblins are number one?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think elves number one.
Speaker 1: Elves okay, elves one.
Speaker 2: Because they can they proliferate themselves.
Speaker 1: You can have one.
Speaker 2: You can have an opening hand with two man of
Speaker 2: elves and one forest and never draw another.
Speaker 1: Forest, yes, and be ahead for the whole game. And okay,
Speaker 1: this is funny. I could describe my goblin deck by
Speaker 1: saying it's like an elf ball.
Speaker 2: Deck exactly, and that's why Elf is one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Elf one.
Speaker 2: I would probably say zombies two, zombie two. I say
Speaker 2: zombiees two because they have like the most recursion, they
Speaker 2: have the most variety of things you can play, and
Speaker 2: they're the easiest to fit into a combination.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm biased, I'm biasing myself and saying
Speaker 1: it has to be mono colored, like these are the
Speaker 1: four colors or the five colors.
Speaker 2: Even then, I would still say that the fact that
Speaker 2: they have so much recursion and they become so large
Speaker 2: and so difficult to deal with in most cases, I
Speaker 2: would still I would still ranked them above goblins. You
Speaker 2: take them, I think then goblins number three, and then
Speaker 2: soldiers are number four, four, and focus at number eight.
Speaker 1: Oh, i would put soldiers at like number fifteen.
Speaker 2: No, I'd put because they're humans, humans, most of those soldiers.
Speaker 1: Oh, and you get like a battle cry or like
Speaker 1: a double ah. No, I guess you gotta go out
Speaker 1: of mono white if you want like double combat triggers. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking of what's the one that Smitty plays,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's Mardo colors. He gets double combat triggers,
Speaker 1: and he plays the other guy that also does that, right, No,
Speaker 1: because he's.
Speaker 2: Got yeah, I play the green Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny that those two are so similar, but they
Speaker 1: are different.
Speaker 2: They're like identical, but they.
Speaker 1: Do a different thing.
Speaker 2: We've had this conversation they do they do do it,
Speaker 2: They helmet different, They tell the same deck, but do
Speaker 2: different things themselves. I like better.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you put goblins number three.
Speaker 2: I do well. I'm trying to be objective. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be a journalist up in here.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're just servicing me because you know,
Speaker 1: I play model black zombies.
Speaker 2: And above Murpholk. I would put cats, crabs, beasts, maybe
Speaker 2: beasts good, maybe dragons, probably dinosaur mono.
Speaker 1: Still because a lot of these tribes you can't play
Speaker 1: in them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in mono color, Yeah, you know, on an.
Speaker 1: Around or Kindred's sorry to everybody who's offended by that word.
Speaker 2: Uh what else would probably? I mean probably scarecrows too.
Speaker 1: Probably you're just being facetious.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I mean that. I mean that I would
Speaker 2: rather play Scarecrows than I would rather see somebody else
Speaker 2: play them too.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're being objective about. Those not which
Speaker 1: one would rather play, which one is objectively the most powerful?
Speaker 1: Like which one's gonna win a tournament if everybody got
Speaker 1: to play one creature type only.
Speaker 2: Elves else, Yes, yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 1: And if you get to add black in there, though, then.
Speaker 2: Also elves, that's a good deck bill elves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you only get to play one color, only
Speaker 1: one color colors. That would be very bad.
Speaker 2: That would be a very bad deck.
Speaker 1: Can you even make a deck? Are there legendary slivers
Speaker 1: that aren't five colors? Oh yeah, I can't play it.
Speaker 2: No, can't can't play that one.
Speaker 1: You'd have to play some non sliver as your commander,
Speaker 1: so stupid.
Speaker 2: Believe it. Or I've tried that with two color decks.
Speaker 2: I've tried doing like two colors slivers just to kind
Speaker 2: of see, and the only one that I could kind
Speaker 2: of make work was green and white slivers, because then
Speaker 2: that's we're all like, you're kind of power pumpers and
Speaker 2: you get double striking tramp and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just like random stuff.
Speaker 2: But when you actually sit down and look at it
Speaker 2: and what does it do? It was any other green
Speaker 2: and white token strategy, but a little worse because you
Speaker 2: didn't have anything that kind of just generally affected all
Speaker 2: of your creatures and your tokens and stuff, and you
Speaker 2: still had to play all the bullshit changelings and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to your earlier point about not having
Speaker 1: to dilute what you're doing and just do it. Slivers
Speaker 1: are I think the creature type that does that. If
Speaker 1: I don't have access to five colors worth like two
Speaker 1: hundred different slivers, I don't have access to maybe enough,
Speaker 1: and I got to put things in that service, the
Speaker 1: things that I do have but don't build like a
Speaker 1: bigger base and taller pyramid like slivers do. Exactly. You
Speaker 1: know what that's that's gonna come up on tomorrow's deck tech. Yes,
Speaker 1: where where I searched up on scryfall a combination of
Speaker 1: both of the two creature types that we're looking at
Speaker 1: in the color combination that we're looking at, and there's
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four hundred and thirty nine one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty something. Sure is that enough?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: You think so? Yes? And I know that like generally
Speaker 1: not with this creature type, but generally is that enough?
Speaker 2: Generally? I would say yes. I think if you have
Speaker 2: over one hundred different options, the odds of you being
Speaker 2: able to find thirty or forty, I'm gonna say good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say serviceable ones ones.
Speaker 1: It work in the deck. Yeah, they don't need to
Speaker 1: be good if if the summation of them is greater
Speaker 1: than the parts.
Speaker 2: This is a situation where you're gonna end up with
Speaker 2: a bunch of them that you're just gonna kind of
Speaker 2: take out because it's like, well, I'm only playing this
Speaker 2: one because it's a four four for three. It doesn't
Speaker 2: do anything else, But I'll get rid of it because
Speaker 2: it's the creature time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when dinosaurs first came out, and it's like,
Speaker 1: here's the one that's all flavor text, but it's a
Speaker 1: five to six for six. Yeah, at uncommon because it's
Speaker 1: all that we have and I needed like a nineteenth dinosaur. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what many dinosaurs are there? Now? Oh?
Speaker 2: Fuck? Too many? Too many? Is that a BBO? I
Speaker 2: just had.
Speaker 1: T talk a little to walk us through the BBO
Speaker 1: that's coming out on well last week, which one?
Speaker 2: Which one is this?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: The Is this the spook Haven one?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, the it's not gloom Haven, Dusk Worn Dusk Warn.
Speaker 2: So I went out and I decided to make a
Speaker 2: little cinematic intro.
Speaker 1: For myself to have a cinematic podcast.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a whole box to open because I only
Speaker 2: had the Collector Box, then the Nightmare Bundle yep. So
Speaker 2: I decided I would try and fill time by making
Speaker 2: a little movie of myself. It was really hard because
Speaker 2: my phone is from twenty seventeen and the camera sucks.
Speaker 2: The memory is too small, so I had to wait
Speaker 2: and get some help. And I had to do it
Speaker 2: like in the daytime instead of in the night time,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't go outside, and it was the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But we got it done and I'm.
Speaker 1: Very happy with thro. There is a pajama scene's pajama scene.
Speaker 1: There's an arcade scene. There's a I zoomed in when
Speaker 1: you spit out your toothpaste. If any of those kinds
Speaker 1: of things intrigue you, oh and.
Speaker 2: Murder, if you're wondering what all of those things involving
Speaker 2: a box opening. If that intrigues you, you should go back
Speaker 2: and check it out. I think you'll get a kick
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Speaker 1: Producer Gary's is just salivating. He's at the He loves
Speaker 1: BBO is his favorite thing on the CEO YTC.
Speaker 2: If you will that makes me happy, the BBO on
Speaker 2: the CCOYTC. I gotta say it real fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, one hundred and ninety three dinosaurs across five colors.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely enough.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely enough, particularly because there are they're kind
Speaker 1: of pardon the pun, top of the food chain in
Speaker 1: terms of like whatever set they come out in. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: so they are the big flashy thing, and you never
Speaker 1: feel bad going outside of dinosaurs to like service them, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to put in ten elves to make mana
Speaker 1: so I can run my dinosaur deck, like, nobody feels
Speaker 1: bad about that.
Speaker 2: Well, there's lots of those elves that are wearing like
Speaker 2: dinosaur feathers in their head pieces and stuff that.
Speaker 1: Add dinosaur colored mana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the art theme is already there for lots of
Speaker 2: them and stuff because we had exelon where all the
Speaker 2: people are from dinosaur.
Speaker 1: Ville or dinosaur Land. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're a I would say, almost over represented creature type.
Speaker 2: We want more scarecrows.
Speaker 1: Now, oo, give me a scarecrow, give me give me
Speaker 1: the creature type from tomorrow's deck. I'm not gonna spoil
Speaker 1: it or nothing. But and we can't send you prizes
Speaker 1: because all of the postal service is still on strike.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell this story on the show tomorrow,
Speaker 2: but we'll give you a quick tea quick quick rundown.
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Speaker 2: Okay, save myself a few bucks. Got these cards I've
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Speaker 2: to myself before I click by, It's like, do I
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Speaker 1: That's really her name. I thought that was a dirty nickname.
Speaker 2: No, that's your real name.
Speaker 1: Let's let's continue week. We have to move on or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get myself in trouble.
Speaker 2: Lives up the street, picks up my cards tomorrow. She's
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Speaker 1: Can I be your date for that?
Speaker 2: Who needs Canada post? You fox?
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Speaker 3: Do not google that got him?
Speaker 1: I want to be your date for the Christmas party tickets?
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Speaker 2: I don't know who Aaron mcnuttstack and you go with
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Speaker 1: We love her. Yeah, I heard her on the radio
Speaker 1: the other day. Hey, we got to go before we
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Speaker 1: Oh me, okay, four sixty nine nice? Nice? Uh. We're
Speaker 1: doing a deck Patreon submission. Yeah, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good one. A potentially underserved creature type. But there's
Speaker 1: two of them that I've combined to make it maybe
Speaker 1: not underserved. We got to talk about whether this is.
Speaker 2: Like both of these underserved.
Speaker 1: They both are, but are did they make this commander
Speaker 1: to say, oh yeah, being like making something different for
Speaker 1: let's make it one card and just say fucking not
Speaker 1: what they do? Is that what they did?
Speaker 2: No, it's because one of them has the other one invol.
Speaker 1: Inside of itself. Don't google that. No, they're not inside though,
Speaker 1: well yeah, but like where they're you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: where they're anchored. It's kind of like being inside. Everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna know what we're talking about tomorrow. For sixty nine,
Speaker 1: he's Brando I'm Ryan hit our theme song by Bra