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<v Speaker 1>Seven oh six if any five k c DE talk station,

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<v Speaker 1>yay for Friday or woohoo for Friday is a case

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<v Speaker 1>of day and a great hour of power coming up

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And the citizens of the City of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>have a really I suppose a debt of gratitude to

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<v Speaker 1>pay to what we call citizen watch Dog Todd Zenzer,

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Citizen Watchdog podcast, which you should listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>He is an inspector, former inspector General for the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America, and I just got done telling Todd

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<v Speaker 1>off air that we should put him on the job

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<v Speaker 1>of the medicaid problems we have here in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Ohio, which they're now just getting into. But using

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<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence, it seems to be pretty easy to ferret

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<v Speaker 1>out fraud, waste, and abuse, much in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, inspite of the challenges he's facing right right

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<v Speaker 1>now with Trump and the childish war or on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Zenzer, following the antics of the City of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>council members and the mayor, Welcome back, Todd Zinzer. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure having here man.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Brian. It's good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do appreciate the work you are doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know every I mean every week and every time

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<v Speaker 1>we talk. It's just it's almost just hard to believe

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on behind the scenes, or as the case,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe what's not going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, there is a lot going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's one of the city's biggest problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this whole transparency issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Zero transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really amazing. And if they're not keeping things

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<v Speaker 2>behind the curtain, they're just flooding you with all of

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<v Speaker 2>this information that isn't organized, and you really don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>what it's all about, and you really have to, you

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<v Speaker 2>really have to look into it to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>little nuggets of information is out there about what's really

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it takes a tenacious person like you, who so

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<v Speaker 1>unpaid as you are, are willing. I guess it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a hobby for you. You really like you be in

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<v Speaker 1>the fly in the ointment for those clowns and you

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<v Speaker 1>connect the dots.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's what I did for a living for so

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<v Speaker 2>many years.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's in your blood.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an interesting mine, to be sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's one of the more bizarre hobbies in retirement

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<v Speaker 1>that one can have, but we thank you for doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let okay the topic number one, the missing audit

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<v Speaker 1>has been found. Now you're gonna have to provide the

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<v Speaker 1>background for this, because you and I have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before, but you know, lay the groundwork for what

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<v Speaker 1>you found and then we can talk about what it means,

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<v Speaker 1>what the audit report that you found and the implications

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<v Speaker 1>for that are.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, several months ago, I started looking into this phenomena

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<v Speaker 2>of a lobbyist lobbying the city. Yeah, so I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the lobby the list of lobbyists, which isn't

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<v Speaker 2>easy to find either, but there is a list out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to think about all the corruption cases

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm aware of that involved lobbyists. One goes way

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<v Speaker 2>back to the early two thousands of Washington where the

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Abramov scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, man, your BLAT's a blast from the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was there when all that was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it actually was uncovered by or investigated by the

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<v Speaker 2>Inspector General for the Interior Department, and the Deputy Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of Interior wound up getting prosecuted. But it was a

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<v Speaker 2>big scandal. It was it was all obvious. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you have what happened here with the council member, And

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<v Speaker 2>I got curious, was there anything that went on with

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<v Speaker 2>all the gang the gang of five? Was there anything

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<v Speaker 2>that went on with lobbyists? A gang of five?

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<v Speaker 1>The scandal, Jeff Pastor scandal. Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we had a we had a similar issue

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<v Speaker 2>in Columbus with lobbyists that first energy that that involved lobbyists.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I didn't really find anythingolder was yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't find any lobbyist issues with the corruption scandal.

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<v Speaker 2>But along the way, I found this article that Sherry

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<v Speaker 2>Coolidge did about this. The headline read, a Cincinnati audit

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<v Speaker 2>is mysteriously scaled back and then they quote they have

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<v Speaker 2>a quote in here someone is protecting one or more people.

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<v Speaker 2>So after I read the article and found out that

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<v Speaker 2>there was supposed to be some kind of audits a

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<v Speaker 2>red flag. So I obtained a copy of the audit,

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<v Speaker 2>went through it. And I'll tell you, after the three

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<v Speaker 2>members of council and Wendell Young got indicted on these felonies,

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Cranley and Christopher Smithermany, they went to work, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they took actions to try to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>the city moves forward from here. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things they did is they asked the government, the city government,

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<v Speaker 2>to have this audit done of these existing of these

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<v Speaker 2>other economic development projects.

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<v Speaker 1>To hire an outside auditing firm, get the money to

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<v Speaker 1>hire them, and to have them conduct the audit right.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the same time, they established what they called

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<v Speaker 2>the Economic Development Reform Panel, and that brought in I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I think it was like a dozen community leaders, attorneys,

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<v Speaker 2>former judges, people from the Ethics Commission, they were religious leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>there are Democrats, Republicans, to look at what happened and

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a plan for the city to follow,

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<v Speaker 2>to try to create a more ethical environment for the

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<v Speaker 2>city council.

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<v Speaker 1>So unscrupulous individuals can't basically pay to play or pay

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<v Speaker 1>off or otherwise bribe council members or the mayor in

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<v Speaker 1>order to advance their personal interest project, whatever that project

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<v Speaker 1>may be, which of course is the fundamental basis of

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<v Speaker 1>all these the felony complaints that were wel that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, except for Wendell Young, he got prosecuted for obstructing

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<v Speaker 2>justice in the Gang of Five investigation. The other three

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<v Speaker 2>were corruption rights everywhere. So I looked at the Economic

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<v Speaker 2>Development Review Panel. They started their work in February of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one. They issued a report in July of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one and had a number of recommendations, And one of

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<v Speaker 2>their recommendations was, yes, do this forensic They were calling

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<v Speaker 2>it a forensic audit at the time. Do this forensic audit, promptly,

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<v Speaker 2>get it published, put it out to the public about

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<v Speaker 2>what needs to be done. That was one of their

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<v Speaker 2>big recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And so the firm audited individual projects that were

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<v Speaker 1>funded by the city or voted on by the city

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<v Speaker 1>or otherwise like maybe tax abatement areas or any any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of economic development project exactly. So they looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the documents related to how that was approved and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because they focused they collected a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>data on how the city council voted on the various

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<v Speaker 2>tax abatements or credits or whatever that these two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>projects received. So they were saying they were looking at

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<v Speaker 2>looking for patterns, voting patterns, to see whether they whether

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<v Speaker 2>those patterns indicated any unusual votes on the part of

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<v Speaker 2>these council members, yes or no. Okay, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line is they didn't really find any issues.

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<v Speaker 2>But their recommendations I think really didn't really weren't well

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<v Speaker 2>received by the New City Council.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so boiled down from what I'm hearing is the

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<v Speaker 1>audit was conducted. They looked at all these projects, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't find anything what I will loosely refer to

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<v Speaker 1>as shenanigans, like, oh my god, this voting pattern reveals

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<v Speaker 1>that someone's getting paid something like that. But because of

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened before in connection with these scams, they

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<v Speaker 1>created recommendations in order to improve the process, maybe bring

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<v Speaker 1>more clarity to it, and perhaps shed a little more

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<v Speaker 1>sunlight and transparency on the project, on the process, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that wasn't well received, is your conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two recommendations in particular that I focused on

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<v Speaker 2>that Crow was the name of the outfit from Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quickly, when did when was the audit commission? And

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<v Speaker 1>when did it come out? How much time were we

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<v Speaker 1>talking about between today and when This conclusions and these

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<v Speaker 1>recommendations were made to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>You how slow the process worked. This was initially the

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<v Speaker 2>result of a resolution entered or emotion entered by Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>Smitherman when he was on council towards the end of

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<v Speaker 2>their term, he put this motion out to have this done.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was in twenty one, and they signed a

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<v Speaker 2>that might have been that was in twenty one. They

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<v Speaker 2>signed a contract in January of twenty two, and the

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<v Speaker 2>audit firm issued their draft report in December of twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>So what should happen after the draft report is issued.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't done is that the audit the person who

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<v Speaker 2>is getting audited, they're supposed to look. They're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the draft audit see whether there's any factual

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<v Speaker 2>issues that they have heartburnover. They're supposed to respond to

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<v Speaker 2>the recommendations. Do they agree? Do they not agree?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? You know, it's kinds like reviewing a deposition and

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<v Speaker 1>say no, no, no, no, that's wrong. I did not

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's been improperly transcribed exactly. Your conclusion is

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<v Speaker 1>wrong for the following reasons. And here's all the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what you do after the draft audit is issued.

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<v Speaker 2>And that that is part of the contract with the auditor.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that wasn't done.

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati did not do that. The city did not respond

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<v Speaker 2>in any way to the draft report, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Means they agreed with it, that we can at least

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<v Speaker 1>make that a logical conclusion. If you remain silent in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of the draft audit, then you agree with

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<v Speaker 1>what's in there. Let's pause, because we're going to find

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<v Speaker 1>what Todd was able to conclude after reviewing the final audit,

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<v Speaker 1>which took him about a gazillion years to finally uncover

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<v Speaker 1>and jar your own conclusions as to why it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>immediately published and released to the public first, though, John

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Press Eesion Tiers, you want your kitchen O model?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to work with John Ryan Pressed Desion

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<v Speaker 1>Tiers is his company, and he's the man you'd be

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<v Speaker 1>working with from initial design to final installation. You will

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<v Speaker 1>find him to be a very very pleasant man when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to kitchen room modeling. Nobody's got more experience

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<v Speaker 1>than John more than thirty five years of doing almost

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively kitchens. Yes, about a decade ago he did. Ours

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<v Speaker 1>love it to this day. Every time I walk into

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<v Speaker 1>that kitchen, I just remember how it used to be

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<v Speaker 1>and how much improved it is. Better flow, form, design, storage,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's improved. You don't have to go gut in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing like he did with us, you can just

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<v Speaker 1>do Cabins encountertops that he's the man to work with

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<v Speaker 1>your true partner in your kitchen remodeling project from initial

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<v Speaker 1>design to final installation. And the only guy you got

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<v Speaker 1>a call. You want something done, you call John. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to change something, you call John, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>call him right now to schedule appointment of five one

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<v Speaker 1>plus with a better business burial online at Prestige one

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<v Speaker 1>two three dot com fifty five KRC. Here's you channing

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<v Speaker 1>on what the forecast s A couple of days worth anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>clouds day's got a showers and storm played this afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>I have eighty we got rain likely overnight. Storms are

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<v Speaker 1>expected to continue overnight as well with a low sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And we got some sun but mostly cloudy tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 1>if tiny chance of rain eighty two for the high

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<v Speaker 1>Seven's one of you. If you about ker City Talk

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<v Speaker 1>Todd's inswers in Sudio No moreen. He is not suicidal.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks she have a death wish because you're speaking

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not worried about you, Todd. You keep I'm

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati residence, and I just hope that continues, and

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<v Speaker 1>Citizen Watchdog, because he's at this all week long. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we laid the foundation for this audit. Yes it

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<v Speaker 1>right the ship, to make the process better, to make

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<v Speaker 1>the process less corrupt by way of for whatever projects

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<v Speaker 1>done or have any corruption associated with it. So outside

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<v Speaker 1>entity from Chicago has spent a year or so looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it. They're paid one hundred and fifty grand to

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<v Speaker 1>do the report. The issue the primary report, opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>the council members and the mayor to comment on it,

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<v Speaker 1>to identify any problems with the initial report. Nothing said,

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<v Speaker 1>or the mayor. So they did a final report along

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<v Speaker 1>with recommendations. So that leads us up to here.

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<v Speaker 2>It got a little bit worse than that. Oh it did.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of providing comments about the recommendations and the findings

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<v Speaker 2>and correcting any problems with the draft report, Cheryl Long

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<v Speaker 2>rejected the report. She told the city Council and the

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<v Speaker 1>For what specific reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she didn't say, but she promised to work with

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<v Speaker 2>the auditor to get to do a better job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was sent in January of twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>How would she know whether it's satisfactory or not.

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<v Speaker 1>and all the documents related to them, did Cheryl do that?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I think got to them when Sherry Coolidge

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<v Speaker 2>scaled back, I think they got very defensive over that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a footnote in the draft report that basically

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<v Speaker 2>said that Crow had been asked by the city to

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<v Speaker 2>change the standards that they're going to use when they

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<v Speaker 2>do their audit. It went from a performance audit to

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<v Speaker 2>an assessment. And it wasn't following gagas or they generally

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<v Speaker 2>accepted government auditing standards. It was going to follow the AICPA,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the American Institute of CPAs, who is going

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<v Speaker 2>to follow their standards, which they're basically saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>and looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>This they made that change after the Crow firm had

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<v Speaker 1>been working on it and up to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>Right at some point in time, and we don't know when,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a conversation between Crow and the city where

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<v Speaker 2>it says that after discussion with the city, Crow's performance

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<v Speaker 2>under this ordinance is an assessment under a CPA's consulting

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<v Speaker 2>standards and is not a forensic audit. So they changed

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<v Speaker 2>the rules that they wanted the auditor to follow in

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<v Speaker 1>Well, wasn't there an RFP at the outset for Crow

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<v Speaker 1>to look into and say, hey, I got my hand up,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the standards were initially included. Yeah, So they

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<v Speaker 1>did it in accordance with what they were told to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the outset, and then sometime along the process,

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<v Speaker 1>probably most of the way, if not all the way through,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the city manager says, no, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it to a different standard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want the hell Todd, Well, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, Brian, because I either there was a

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<v Speaker 2>total disconnect in the city manager's office, or they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like what was in the audit, were worried they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, well we still haven't gotten to the conclusions

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<v Speaker 1>in the audit that they have apparently not followed through

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<v Speaker 1>with or followed in spite of the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>was the purpose of the audit to provide conclusions and

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<v Speaker 1>recommendations to follow. It's seven twenty five. We're gonna finish.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll figure this out. Every time we talk it keeps

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<v Speaker 1>getting worse taught. I mean, this is good. Why I

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<v Speaker 1>love you man, seven twenty five. But if I have care,

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<v Speaker 1>see the dogs station, doctor Fred Pack, doctor Meghan Frew.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to be your dentist or you need to

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<v Speaker 1>have them as your dentist. They're the best, absolute best.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're talking cosmetic dentistry, how could you find

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<v Speaker 1>changing smile makeovers, A King of Cosmetic Dentistry and doctor

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Fred Peck's years and years of experience. But in

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard about doctor Megan Frew is just, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a quick weather forecast. Cloudy day for the most

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty seven for the low and some sun but mostly

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<v Speaker 3>UCALP Tramping Center. Millions of Americans are living with Alzheimers

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<v Speaker 3>Highway traffic continues to look pretty good this morning. Waiting

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<v Speaker 1>The talk station Hey seven thirty fifty five Krcity talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Friday. Todd's ends or citizen watchdog in city, get

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<v Speaker 1>a citizen watchdog podcast and find out what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the city. Boy, it's taken us a long time

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<v Speaker 1>to get there, but we've walked through all of the

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<v Speaker 1>shenanigans going on leading up to the final report which

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<v Speaker 1>was issued. Again, the report related to a review and analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>forensic of the process of getting contracts approved and abatements

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<v Speaker 1>approved by the City of Cincinnia Cincinnati, of course on

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<v Speaker 1>the heels of the scandals involving PG Sitting Fell, Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Pasture and others. So the firm releases the draft, then

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<v Speaker 1>the city says, oh, oh, oh, by the way, No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want it done that way. We want it

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<v Speaker 1>done a completely different way. At some point into a

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<v Speaker 1>what amounted to a year long process for the review.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the What was the final report issued

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<v Speaker 1>and what standards did it used? Did it used the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that the city manager changed last minute or did

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<v Speaker 1>it stick with it the parameters of the original negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>agreement with the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did put in their final report that they

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<v Speaker 2>followed the government auditing standards for a performance audit.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what they were supposed to with the outset yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Good before apparently somebody from the city spoke spoke to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were several findings. A lot of them had

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<v Speaker 2>to do with recusal by members on certain issues, which

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<v Speaker 2>is still a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But they like, if you have some personal relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>a developer, like it's your brother in law coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your council member and your brother, your brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>your family member comes in and says, hey, I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to approve this project I want done right that

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<v Speaker 1>that that's obviously, on its face, appearance of impropriety, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is what we call it in the law. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So they set out recommendations on how to manage recusals

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<v Speaker 2>by council members, what you know when they should who

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<v Speaker 2>they should recuse themselves to, and et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were two recommendations that several of us have

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<v Speaker 2>to do with the three reading rules for enacting and ordinance.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the Charter, the city council is supposed to read

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<v Speaker 1>Councils three separate council meeting exactly. They can't just read

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<v Speaker 1>they seem to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I could see that too. They have to give

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<v Speaker 1>So but what input that they will then ignore Hyde Park?

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<v Speaker 2>But what the city council? This city council does it.

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<v Speaker 2>The previous city councils do it. They either vote to

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<v Speaker 2>waive the three readings or they designate the ordinance an emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of the findings that CROW had in

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<v Speaker 2>The sam that that CROW took and analyzed, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>with these lame excuses as an emergency. For example, on

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<v Speaker 2>connected communities that was passed under an emergency. You know

424
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<v Speaker 2>what their reason was, we need more housing. That was

425
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<v Speaker 2>the reason that Reggie Harris gave to why this thing

426
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<v Speaker 2>was passed under an emergency. So CROW actually pointed out

427
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<v Speaker 2>these they had an he had an example, or they

428
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<v Speaker 2>had an example of one of these lame excuses, but

429
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<v Speaker 2>they're all over the place. So that that was very

430
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<v Speaker 2>a very good finding, and they had recommendations about how

431
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<v Speaker 2>to get around that, or not get around it, but

432
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<v Speaker 2>to implement that. But the second one is one I'm

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<v Speaker 2>particularly interested in. It was when the council was able

434
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<v Speaker 2>to provide input online budget line items. They need to

435
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<v Speaker 2>explain their increases or their decreases to budget line items.

436
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<v Speaker 2>So the city they just went through a three hour

437
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<v Speaker 2>hearing budget hearing the other night where they had seventy

438
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<v Speaker 2>six witnesses come forward basically asking for money from the city.

439
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<v Speaker 2>And they represented something like forty different groups.

440
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<v Speaker 1>Non governmental organization, not their hand of the cookie drug. Yes,

441
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<v Speaker 1>and these are the ones the mayor decides who gets

442
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<v Speaker 1>the money.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Well, what they do is they apply for it. The

444
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<v Speaker 2>city manager comes up with her recommendations on which of

445
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<v Speaker 2>these applicants should get money and how much. And then

446
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<v Speaker 2>and that was what was reported the other night. Now

447
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<v Speaker 2>what happens is it goes through some kind of process

448
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<v Speaker 2>where the mayor gets to ad and the city council

449
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<v Speaker 2>gets to add and that process is not transparent whatsoever.

450
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<v Speaker 2>They have it on their schedule, their budget schedule. But

451
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of why does why does the manager go

452
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<v Speaker 2>through this rigorous, supposedly rigorous merit based process and coming

453
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<v Speaker 2>up with her recommendations and then the city council and

454
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<v Speaker 2>the mayor just comes in and you know, changes it,

455
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<v Speaker 2>it increases it. Last year, the city manager's recommendation for

456
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<v Speaker 2>what they call leverage support was like five million dollars.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Well after the mayor and the city council got through

458
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<v Speaker 2>with it, it was up to they increased at one

459
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<v Speaker 2>point three million dollars just with the stroke of a pen.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway Crow with no explanation or one of

461
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<v Speaker 2>these lame excuses, and Crow pointed this out that this

462
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<v Speaker 2>is a problem. You need to provide a more transparent

463
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<v Speaker 2>process and you know, you have to justify these changes

464
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<v Speaker 2>to these line items. So I think those those were

465
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<v Speaker 2>two issues that were particularly problematic for the city that

466
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't like those. The other thing that the A

467
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<v Speaker 2>Final report included they talked about a they have a

468
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<v Speaker 2>conflict of interest survey. So this is something I did

469
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<v Speaker 2>not know existed until I read the AUTO report. But

470
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<v Speaker 2>apparently when the new council members are sworn in, they

471
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<v Speaker 2>go through, they fill out a conflict of interest survey. Sure,

472
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<v Speaker 2>and I guess somebody in the legal department looks at

473
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<v Speaker 2>it and helps them. So I asked I put a

474
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<v Speaker 2>records request in for them, and I did get a

475
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<v Speaker 2>clean copy of the form. And that has issues. I think,

476
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<v Speaker 2>for example, they don't even have to sign that. They

477
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<v Speaker 2>forget about certifying it. They don't even have to sign

478
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<v Speaker 2>all their disclosures on this survey. But they're denying me

479
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<v Speaker 2>access to any of the surveys that were completed by

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<v Speaker 2>any of the council members or the mayor.

481
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not denial predicated on.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Attorney client privilege. If you can believe.

483
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<v Speaker 1>That, No, I cannot believe that.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Now, whether they use that a lot, they use that

485
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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

486
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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's it's a conflict of interest piece of

487
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<v Speaker 1>paper survey that is handed over to the city manager

488
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<v Speaker 1>or somebody else within the bureaucracy that's not a lawyer. Well,

489
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<v Speaker 1>there's no connection with with attorney client privilege in that.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've always wondered who their client really is. I

491
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<v Speaker 2>thought their client was, yes, exactly, But if I had

492
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<v Speaker 2>unlimited resources I'd probably try to look into that, but

493
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<v Speaker 2>uh and take them to court. But that that's that's

494
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<v Speaker 2>their game. They do a lot of blocking and tackling

495
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to records requests, don't.

496
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<v Speaker 1>We have some local attorneys who do that just as

497
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who's they do?

498
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<v Speaker 2>But they you know, they they cost money too.

499
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, somebody could do some pro bono work just

500
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<v Speaker 1>to have fun. Somebody wants to prod and poke the

501
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>city of Cincinnati and and and and help ferret out fraud,

502
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 1>waste and abuse. Maybe maybe so that we can refer

503
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<v Speaker 1>some of this information over to the FBI for them

504
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to investigate, because well, you know, the less transparent government is,

505
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the more likely something going on behind the scenes that

506
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<v Speaker 1>they don't want acknowledged or revealed, the more likely it

507
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<v Speaker 1>is that could be criminal. Yeah.

508
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<v Speaker 2>What at the national level we have, we have a

509
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<v Speaker 2>lot of organizations like that. I guess Judicial Watch is

510
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<v Speaker 2>one of the big ones. Amen, And I think Cincinnati

511
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>could use something like that, or Hamilton County and Cincinnati

512
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>could use something like that.

513
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<v Speaker 1>See it's a call to arms. Someone's out there that

514
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<v Speaker 1>can handle that. Don't go away. We have more todds

515
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<v Speaker 1>in or including the great Cincinnati train robbery. If we

516
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<v Speaker 1>can even get that in, that sounds like a topic

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<v Speaker 1>that could also take up three or four segments at

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirty eight right now, and recommend plumb type plumbing

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<v Speaker 1>why they deliver on better, better customer service, better prices,

521
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<v Speaker 1>no service fees, and free estimates. They enjoying aplus with

522
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<v Speaker 1>a better business. Ureau been pushing on the hot the

523
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<v Speaker 1>tankless hot water heaters. They're a great idea. You know,

524
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<v Speaker 1>if your water heaters is getting toward the end of

525
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<v Speaker 1>its life where it's gone belly up, you know, tankless

526
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<v Speaker 1>maybe the right thing for you to go because they

527
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<v Speaker 1>save you money. They provide unlimited hot water. You never

528
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529
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<v Speaker 1>churning it out space saber about the size of a

530
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<v Speaker 1>suitcase hanging on the wall, and can get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>that giant tank and again, unlimited hot water. It's just

532
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<v Speaker 1>amazing technology. And they last longer than the tanks. So

533
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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things they'll do for you. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you need your sewer line replair repair

535
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<v Speaker 1>to replace, they don't have to dig your yard up.

536
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<v Speaker 1>They do trenchless sewer line repairs, clog drains, some pumps,

537
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<v Speaker 1>whatever happens to me. If it's plumbing, it's plumbing done

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<v Speaker 1>Seven forty two fifty five ker City Talk Station, our

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<v Speaker 1>citizen watchdog, todds Enzer. All right, well, we put to

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<v Speaker 1>bed the issue of the audit that nobody's paying attention to.

559
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<v Speaker 1>But you got further work to do on that in

560
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<v Speaker 1>ferreting out the maybe the conflict of interest statements that

561
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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't give you for reasons unknown other than the

562
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>attorney clam privilege which doesn't apply. But what about the

563
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<v Speaker 1>great train robbery I see on my list, the great

564
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<v Speaker 1>Cincinna train robbery. Obviously this really to the sale of

565
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<v Speaker 1>the train of the railway system. Yes, so what's the

566
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>story on that if they say it's generating a whole

567
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>lot more money than the lease payment. We got fifty

568
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<v Speaker 1>point fifty six million dollars this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so the city is really trying to do a

570
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>jiu jitsu. On one hand, they say we've got all

571
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<v Speaker 2>this extra money, and then apparently the mayor came out

572
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yesterday or the day before, trying to

573
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<v Speaker 2>lower expectations of what that money can buy because of

574
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<v Speaker 2>the increased cost of building materials.

575
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<v Speaker 1>They allocated thirty million dollars for roads out of the

576
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<v Speaker 1>total pile of money fifty six million, and that only

577
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<v Speaker 1>paves fifty miles worth of roads. And they were already

578
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 1>way way years behind in resurfacing roads exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And my point and this issue about the cost of

580
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<v Speaker 2>the material, Yeah, Adam Kayler was on that during the campaign,

581
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<v Speaker 2>and he is correct. The inflation, the inflationary costs of

582
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the material is going to make build or repairing these

583
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<v Speaker 2>roads so expensive. And people say, well, that's gonna happen

584
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<v Speaker 2>whether you use railroad money or not. That's right. But

585
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<v Speaker 2>what it's gonna do is going to deplete the one

586
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 2>point six billion, and when that's all used up, we

587
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>don't have an asset any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well can they can they dip into principle without approval

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<v Speaker 1>from the the authorities that that's independent board that's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to ride her and preside over the management of that money.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's gonna be. It's gonna be. The board has

592
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<v Speaker 2>strict rules about how much it can give to the city,

593
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<v Speaker 2>and if the balance of the one point six goes

594
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<v Speaker 2>below a certain amount, they can't send money to the

595
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<v Speaker 2>city anymore. They've got to wait for that to build

596
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<v Speaker 2>back up. Right, So you have all this Rube Goldberg

597
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<v Speaker 2>type of procedures and you know, controls and things like that,

598
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<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna they're gonna go through this money like water.

599
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, people say, well, why are you still

600
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<v Speaker 2>harping on a railroad because it was not a good deal.

601
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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't And in terms of the Great Train Robbery,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that really is a problem is the fact

603
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<v Speaker 2>that you had this public asset, probably Cincinnati's most valuable

604
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<v Speaker 2>with the public asset, and the city leaders, if you

605
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<v Speaker 2>want to call them leaders, let this railroad come in

606
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<v Speaker 2>and basically buy the election. They knew when they agreed

607
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<v Speaker 2>to this that under the current state law ballot issue

608
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<v Speaker 2>campaigns there is no limit on corporate contributions for ballot

609
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<v Speaker 2>issue campaigns, and so Norfolk Southern could spend as much

610
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<v Speaker 2>money as it wanted. And then what it did. It

611
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<v Speaker 2>spent six million dollars and.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no organized, well funded campaign against the sale

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<v Speaker 1>of the railroad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we didn't have any money, you know, we I

615
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<v Speaker 2>think Adam put money in. I think the total amount

616
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<v Speaker 2>we calculate it was like eight thousand dollars or something

617
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<v Speaker 2>like that. But it was also a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 2>They put this thing on a rocket docket, and we

619
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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a whole lot of time to organize.

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<v Speaker 1>But the.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem is that if this was just a campaign where

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor was running, no problem. But the mayor wasn't running.

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<v Speaker 2>This was for the sale of a public asset, and

624
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<v Speaker 2>so much greater transparency should be required and it's not.

625
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<v Speaker 2>But what happened is Norfolk Southern six million went to

626
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<v Speaker 2>this political action committee, and the political action committee sent

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of that to a political consultant in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>DC who has no public disclosure requirement on how that

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<v Speaker 2>money is spent.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it went there?

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<v Speaker 2>And this particular political action or, this political consultant is

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<v Speaker 2>the same one that the mayor used when he ran

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<v Speaker 2>for mayor in twenty twenty one one. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>sent a letter to the mayor and to the council,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought the council should take these recommendations from

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<v Speaker 2>these reports, list them out, and do a report on

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<v Speaker 2>what they did with these recommendations. You know, did you

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<v Speaker 2>adopt it, If so, how did you not adopt it?

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<v Speaker 2>If not, why? And then for the mayor, he did

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<v Speaker 2>these TV commercials for the railway. Yeah, well, we filed

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<v Speaker 2>a complaint with the Election Commission because his campaign treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>for his personal campaign was the same treasurer for the

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<v Speaker 2>political action committee that Norfolk Southern set up, and we

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<v Speaker 2>thought there should be additional disclosures about the decision making

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<v Speaker 2>on how they were spending money. Well, we took that

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<v Speaker 2>complaint to the election committee, but we didn't. We didn't succeed,

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<v Speaker 2>but we got an affidavit out of the campaign treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>who said, oh, it wasn't me that made all the decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a steering committee. So who's on the steering committee?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is it that called the mayor and said, hey, Mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>we think it'd be a good idea if you went

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<v Speaker 2>on TV for us. Who was that and who's on

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<v Speaker 2>the steering committee? Those are legitimate questions, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>put that in my letter. You ought to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>who is on the steering committee. And secondly, you ought

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<v Speaker 2>to demand greater accountability from SKDK, the political consultant in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>about what he's what they did with this money? Did

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<v Speaker 2>they really spend six million dollars on that campaign? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of stuff going into the mailboxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were some commercials, but they really spent six

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. That is three times what anybody has ever

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<v Speaker 2>spent on a campaign in Cincinnati. I'm told that mister

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<v Speaker 2>Cranleigh's the second campaign may have cost like two million,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was six million dollars. And there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>in my view that they could have spent six million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So where's that Where where did that money go?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if aftab's doing commercials to sell the railroad, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's got to get paid for his time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, he got paid, all right, he got one

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<v Speaker 2>point six billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Dodds in there. We'll get a couple more minutes with

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<v Speaker 1>and traditionally some of them are manufactured here in the States.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm talking about Asian or European cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean you got a BMW or a Volkswagen, or you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a Kia or a Honda or a Toyota. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's an traditionally imported car or a Tesla, is

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<v Speaker 1>that a bad word these days? Tesla anyway, they say

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money versus the dealer when you take a

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing for years. As he certified master technicians

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<v Speaker 1>know the dealers still lets you go in and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to the person working on your car. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if that, if you're inclined to want to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can at Foreign Exchange go to the Westchester location.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one I recommend. Austin and the team of awesome

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta work song two in there because it's Friday. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been a really interesting, enlightening and thought provoking

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<v Speaker 1>hour with Todd's enzers. Sit as in a watchdog and

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you pay attention to what Todd's doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>since we don't have a whole lot of time to

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<v Speaker 1>break down even more shenanigans, which I know you know

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<v Speaker 1>more about. There's a lot more going on in the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Sincinnati behind the scenes than we know about.

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<v Speaker 1>But since I have a few minutes or a couple minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the podcast that is a watchdog and you're

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<v Speaker 1>always doing what you talked about. You've done today in

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<v Speaker 1>connection with the audit. You are apparently going to have

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<v Speaker 1>your own web page now to put all this information

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<v Speaker 1>up in an easily usable findable format, since the City

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati, if it is up there somewhere in their

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<v Speaker 1>online materials, quite often difficult to ferret out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so I just think that people are like me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they want to see the they want to see

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence, they want to see the documents, and you

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<v Speaker 2>really can't do that unless you have some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>repository online like that, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well as someone who's looking at it from your standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, your goal is transparency, that's hence, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the watchdog, because clearly our elected officials, council members and

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<v Speaker 1>mayor like and the city manager are not at all

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<v Speaker 1>interested in being transparent about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I do agree with you on that they this idea

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<v Speaker 2>of oversight and transparency. They talk a good game, but

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a lot of challenges there, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so delicate with your language. There's such challenging. They

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<v Speaker 1>have challenges. Fundamental problem with being honest, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to at least that's conclusion you draw. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm so angry about it. And I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>a rail rant quite over a lot of lack of

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<v Speaker 1>transparency issues of late, you know, like, for example, real

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<v Speaker 1>quick here that whole idea, Elon Musk comes out, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's in the Epstein files, and so all these politicians

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<v Speaker 1>are coming out, well, well if he was in there,

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<v Speaker 1>If he was in there, then why wouldn't have Biden

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<v Speaker 1>released it? And so wait a second, that statement if

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<v Speaker 1>he was in there indicates that our representatives don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what's in there. Why don't we know this's been

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<v Speaker 1>going on for years? Todd? You know, it's that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that just really really irks me. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they allow us to have the information. It's only a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of people in the entire city that will be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in looking at it. You're one of them. But

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<v Speaker 1>even if one person wants to look at it. They

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<v Speaker 1>work for us. The information is not confidential, and so

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask for it, they should hand it over. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they should provide an explanation. For example, in the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion of that report you talked about, which makes recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>on honest, decent, going forward conduct, transparent conduct, they should

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<v Speaker 1>at least answer the question why they aren't following what

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<v Speaker 1>they were told to do when they hired this outside

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<v Speaker 1>auditing firm. Ye, silence, deafening silence.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Tom, we'll have you on again. Keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>great work. I thank you for what you're doing and

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<v Speaker 1>allowing me to just scream about it and let my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners know as well. We need more people like you

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<v Speaker 1>out there and more interested parties holding them accountable. They

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<v Speaker 1>work for us. Coming up in sevent fifty six, Donna

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