Speaker 1: The excitement overall for Mark Pope being an next player,
Speaker 1: he knows what this means. He's really put his arms
Speaker 1: around the state of Kentucky and calls it their team,
Speaker 1: and he's correct, and that has made everyone buy in
Speaker 1: and so exciting.
Speaker 2: So can't wait for the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: How does a schedule like that, a conference schedule, prepare
Speaker 3: you for postseason play?
Speaker 2: Well, it really does.
Speaker 1: Again, playing on the road is just brutal in any conference,
Speaker 1: in almost any sport, so they're gonna have tough games.
Speaker 1: So yes, it gets the fight in you. It gets
Speaker 1: the intensity and how the level has to get up
Speaker 1: there and the defense will be better, and the road
Speaker 1: wins you get.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones you really like. Home games.
Speaker 1: I always like to say, we're supposed to win at home,
Speaker 1: But on the road, that's the real challenge, and that's
Speaker 1: when you see how good maybe you can get in
Speaker 1: tough situations. It's Kentucky's team and it's beautiful, He'll say
Speaker 1: to me, he said a few times.
Speaker 2: I've been on a few things and.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's your team, Jim, you built this team.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm one very small brick.
Speaker 2: In this team.
Speaker 1: So he has embraced it because again he played here
Speaker 1: and he knows what the tradition means, and it makes
Speaker 1: all the difference. All the young men like me, they
Speaker 1: get to come back. I'm not young, but all we
Speaker 1: come back, we feel like he wants us to come
Speaker 1: back and be around and he totally embraces that.
Speaker 3: Welcome into another episode of Behind Kentucky Basketball, presented by
Speaker 3: UK Federal Credit Union, and today we are recording in
Speaker 3: our brand new downtown studios. I'm your host, Michelle Keneswick,
Speaker 3: and this week I'm joining with former Kentucky basketball player
Speaker 3: Jim Master. Jim played for Kentucky from nineteen eighty to
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four. Coach by joeby Hall. Jim, thanks for
Speaker 3: taking time and walking down to our studios today.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1: It's always fun to talk UK basketball and a lot
Speaker 1: of great memories for me, especially.
Speaker 3: The Louisville game especially, and we are going to get
Speaker 3: fully into the Battle of Boluegrass as we've got that
Speaker 3: game this Saturday here in Lexington. But let's go back
Speaker 3: a little bit an exciting time this offseason. You get
Speaker 3: a former player, Mark Pope coming in at the helm
Speaker 3: of this Kentucky team, and can we just talk about
Speaker 3: the last couple of months and how exciting that has been.
Speaker 2: Jim, Well, we can.
Speaker 1: And of course all the Kentucky fans, all of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: but truly probably all the United States now in college basketball.
Speaker 1: They made a name for themselves right off the bat.
Speaker 1: I've met all the guys, and what a quality coaching staff,
Speaker 1: what a quality bunch of young men that he's recruited.
Speaker 1: They bought into it right away. They're hungry, and this
Speaker 1: first part of the season, let's be honest, it's been
Speaker 1: pretty magical. They've only lost one game that was on
Speaker 1: the true road game and they did not play well,
Speaker 1: but they still had a chance to win. So but
Speaker 1: the Duke game, of course, the Goodzaga game, and just
Speaker 1: the excitement overall. For Mark Pope, being an ex player,
Speaker 1: he knows what this means. He's really put his arms
Speaker 1: around the state of Kentucky and calls it their team,
Speaker 1: and he's correct, and that has made everyone buy in
Speaker 1: and so exciting. So can't wait for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 3: I know, We've had so much excitement and we're really
Speaker 3: just scratching the surface of the college basketball season, which
Speaker 3: is kind of crazy. But I think that's what makes
Speaker 3: this preseason, all these non conference games so fun, is
Speaker 3: all these different matchups that you get to see.
Speaker 1: Correct and kind of I kind of hear it in
Speaker 1: your voice. It's a long journey, but the first part
Speaker 1: of the journey's been really really great. But playing these
Speaker 1: games and getting some of these wins, it's obvious it's great,
Speaker 1: but it really helps him too going into the conference
Speaker 1: because our conference is going to be super super tough
Speaker 1: playing on the road in any sports, a lot tougher
Speaker 1: in playing at home. So I'm excited that they're building
Speaker 1: this record and this resume for when March comes. Of course,
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about this much, but some of the
Speaker 1: last Gonzaga game, we didn't even play our starting point guard,
Speaker 1: and that helps the other players gain confidence too that
Speaker 1: they won without him and gives other players chances to
Speaker 1: show what they can do. Well.
Speaker 3: You mentioned, you know, Lamont Butler out didn't play in
Speaker 3: the Gonzaga game. Kerkkrisa who came in you know, ended
Speaker 3: up hurting his foot in that. Kentucky Basketball announced that
Speaker 3: you know, he will be out indefinitely for now. So
Speaker 3: Jackson Robinson, who came with Mark Pope played point guard,
Speaker 3: and I think that that was a big rallying moment
Speaker 3: you mentioned there, Jim. You know, when somebody gets hurt
Speaker 3: or somebody gets injured and somebody else tests to step
Speaker 3: up or take a different role, you know, it's an
Speaker 3: interesting dynamic. But then to be able to overcome it
Speaker 3: as as a team, it's kind of, you know, exciting,
Speaker 3: and it gets them like excited that they can do
Speaker 3: and overcome, you know, adversity. Was there a moment maybe
Speaker 3: in your time at Kentucky where a player got injured
Speaker 3: or somebody had to switch positions and you guys were
Speaker 3: able to overcome that.
Speaker 2: Are you specifically, Well, it's a great question. Really.
Speaker 1: I started thinking, there's always adversity, yeah, major college basketball
Speaker 1: and ups and downs. But we had Sam Bowie get
Speaker 1: hurt for you know, we didn't so I came here
Speaker 1: as a freshman. We had Sam and he was one
Speaker 1: year ahead of me, but then we didn't have him
Speaker 1: for my sophomore in junior year, so there you go,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good adversity. And then he came back for
Speaker 1: the senior year. So we actually collectively had really good
Speaker 1: seasons because I think coming together and doing different things,
Speaker 1: so someone else has to step up, and just like
Speaker 1: Jackson did the other night, that that really was a
Speaker 1: huge moment for him. In my personal opinion, I think
Speaker 1: he would know and coach both. I think he's been
Speaker 1: probably disappointed in some of his play and maybe getting
Speaker 1: into these games sometimes, but I think that might really
Speaker 1: set him off. He was outstanding and I think he
Speaker 1: knows now there's more than he can do than just
Speaker 1: shoot three pointers.
Speaker 3: Well, and if you're a Kentucky fan and you know
Speaker 3: who Sam Buie is in the significance he add to
Speaker 3: your team, you know that was quite adversity that you
Speaker 3: guys had to overcome. But you know, speaking of Jackson
Speaker 3: and Robinson, you mentioned that you've met a lot of
Speaker 3: guys on this team, you've been a part of this
Speaker 3: program residing here in Lexington. Has there been a specific
Speaker 3: player that you know you've met at practice or who's
Speaker 3: maybe surprised you this year?
Speaker 2: Well, another good question, to be honest.
Speaker 1: They all surprise me when I met him in the summertime,
Speaker 1: and I saw a few things early that Coach Pope
Speaker 1: invited us too. So wow, they all can shoot, or
Speaker 1: most of them can really shoot. And then I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, well, let's see how they do in a game.
Speaker 1: And we've seen how they do in the game. So
Speaker 1: I think, really and truly all of them surprise me
Speaker 1: in a good way that they're such good young men
Speaker 1: and they play together as a team, and that's.
Speaker 2: A huge, huge thing.
Speaker 1: And I think they have confidence in every one of
Speaker 1: those top ten players I call them. I think that's
Speaker 1: one of our keys. We're deep, and Coach Pope is
Speaker 1: not scared to put any of those young men in
Speaker 1: at different times, just like LaMotte getting hurt and boom,
Speaker 1: someone steps in. So I think that's what we'll see
Speaker 1: the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, we kind of talked about how
Speaker 3: college basketball, you know, the SEC is is so tough.
Speaker 3: They play, you know this this tough non conference schedule,
Speaker 3: and really just college basketball.
Speaker 4: As a whole.
Speaker 3: Right now, you know, you're seeing the transfer portal. You
Speaker 3: can be a one and done, you can play at
Speaker 3: five different schools.
Speaker 4: Some people had a COVID year.
Speaker 3: Still, I mean, it's almost like the misfit toys all
Speaker 3: coming together and Mark Pope putting all these puzzle pieces
Speaker 3: together and it works.
Speaker 1: And it looks like the new plan, of course we're
Speaker 1: only a little bit through the season, is go out
Speaker 1: and get older players, more experienced players, good players, good players,
Speaker 1: and maybe players that aren't worried about going number one
Speaker 1: the draft or number nine in the draft or number
Speaker 1: sixteen in the draft. I think all that has some effect.
Speaker 1: That'll play defense ninety say ninety, but play defense the
Speaker 1: whole game. Again, I think they've all bought.
Speaker 2: In and that Pope knowing and doing this.
Speaker 1: But college basketball, as you say, maybe college sports were
Speaker 1: in such a different realm. Now by the way, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to have almost a whole new team next.
Speaker 4: Year, I know.
Speaker 2: So do you get it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're having a blast this year. Someone asked
Speaker 1: me at the other day. I started eleven, said, who cares?
Speaker 1: It's this year?
Speaker 4: This year, focus on this year.
Speaker 2: Every year is this year.
Speaker 4: So it's crazy. It really is crazy, but it is exciting.
Speaker 3: And you know, you spoke specifically on coach Pope and
Speaker 3: what he really has done and there's just been so
Speaker 3: much magic in embracing the fan base and this is
Speaker 3: Kentucky's team. And you mentioned you got to go to
Speaker 3: practice over the summer. Has have you been able to
Speaker 3: maybe I don't know, like see this program and kind
Speaker 3: of bring that brotherhood back. I know that he and
Speaker 3: he invited a bunch of former former players to Big
Speaker 3: Blue Madness, and there's been this this outreach of kind
Speaker 3: of bringing everybody in and welcoming the brotherhood in.
Speaker 4: Has that been different for you this year?
Speaker 1: Oh uh, that's kind of what I thought I said earlier.
Speaker 1: He is It's Kentucky's team, and it's beautiful. He'll say
Speaker 1: to me, he said a few times. I've been on
Speaker 1: a few things and he's like, it's your team, Jim,
Speaker 1: you built this team. And I'm like, I'm one very
Speaker 1: small brick.
Speaker 2: In this team.
Speaker 1: So it he has embraced it because again, he played
Speaker 1: here and he knows what the tradition means. And it
Speaker 1: makes all the difference. All the young men like me
Speaker 1: that get to come back. I'm not young, but all
Speaker 1: that we come back, we feel like he wants us
Speaker 1: to come back and be around and he totally embraces that.
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Speaker 4: Pat Kelsey at Louisville.
Speaker 3: So when you think of this rivalry, maybe what is
Speaker 3: one word that comes to your mind?
Speaker 4: Or maybe three?
Speaker 1: Maybe three, but intense, you know, interstate rivalry that's been
Speaker 1: around for so many years now, and I feel so
Speaker 1: blessed that I got to play in the revival of
Speaker 1: it and back in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: So it's.
Speaker 1: Something that's state rivalries and it's a beautiful thing for
Speaker 1: college basketball.
Speaker 3: So something I didn't I didn't realize, and I did
Speaker 3: a little little research before we did this podcast, Jim,
Speaker 3: But prior to the nineteen eighty three Midwest Regional Final,
Speaker 3: Louisville Kentucky hadn't played each.
Speaker 4: Other in twenty four years.
Speaker 3: So that game that you played in in the Elite eight,
Speaker 3: and you know, Louisville ended up winning in overtime, but
Speaker 3: you helped send your team to overtime and keep it alive.
Speaker 3: They hadn't played in the regular season, So you mentioned
Speaker 3: that that being a part of the revival of this rivalry.
Speaker 4: You know, what what does that mean?
Speaker 3: And now to see how many incredible games that we
Speaker 3: have gotten year after year and are hopefully going to
Speaker 3: get another one on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Well I hope on Saturday.
Speaker 1: We're way up in the first so it won't man,
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's beautiful. Just like being in the studio
Speaker 1: with you here today, there was you know, biggest reason
Speaker 1: is how how the Louisville game and how I played,
Speaker 1: and the three Louisville games I played, And so what's
Speaker 1: ironic to me and fun is so we hadn't played
Speaker 1: him in basically twenty five years. That's the best game
Speaker 1: I've ever played plaid excitement by far, and I've played
Speaker 1: in final fours, I've played another big games. So crazy,
Speaker 1: the emotion that went on down in Knoxville, Tennessee, remembered
Speaker 1: extremely well. But then we played that was to go
Speaker 1: to final four, so it was a big game no
Speaker 1: matter what. And then to turn around the next year,
Speaker 1: about six months later, we played him again to open
Speaker 1: the season up, and then ironically enough, about four months later,
Speaker 1: we played him again in the regional, not the final,
Speaker 1: in Repperena, And so I'm two out of three. We
Speaker 1: won two out of three of those, so I feel pretty.
Speaker 2: Good about that.
Speaker 4: That's a good percentage, two out of three against little
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: But again, it was kind of ironic how it all
Speaker 2: worked out.
Speaker 3: You know, when you think back to Joby Hall and
Speaker 3: him coaching those games, what did the rivalry mean to
Speaker 3: him that he got to be a part of that
Speaker 3: revival of that rivalry.
Speaker 1: Well, probably after we got beat the first time, he
Speaker 1: probably didn't like it too much, but it was so exciting,
Speaker 1: so great, and then again we did come back and
Speaker 1: win those games. So I'm sure looking back when he
Speaker 1: got out of coaching, big deal, and it should have been.
Speaker 1: It should have been played, and it's good for college basketball,
Speaker 1: it's good for the state.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's more fun when you win the game, actually,
Speaker 1: so I think it's been a beautiful thing. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure he looks back at that, even me, even though
Speaker 1: we got beat the better best word, I like this
Speaker 1: bitter sweet for me, so great game went to overtime
Speaker 1: and kind of all those years of not playing was
Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing to get together.
Speaker 4: When this rivalry comes up again every year.
Speaker 3: Do you do you talk to some of your former teammates,
Speaker 3: Do you guys have a group group chat going on
Speaker 3: or kind of get excited for this this game.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we do that as much.
Speaker 1: We do talk, but again, a guy like me, every
Speaker 1: time this game rolls around, I get several calls from media,
Speaker 1: whether it's you guys, newspaper, whatever. I even get national calls.
Speaker 1: And it's been fun over the years. My son now
Speaker 1: he's really into it, so I've had calls some pretty
Speaker 1: pretty big time sports people when these games come around
Speaker 1: and they want a few words.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it crazy to think that this game almost every year?
Speaker 3: Because I was reading an article from twenty nineteen and
Speaker 3: you had a similar, similar quote of it was an
Speaker 3: athletic article by Danielle Lanner. Every year, you know, it
Speaker 3: just seems to come back up, like this game really
Speaker 3: lives as a significant moment in not just Kentucky and
Speaker 3: Louisville basketball, but basketball history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that lady is the one you're referred.
Speaker 1: I think she was from like one of the New
Speaker 1: York City newspapers.
Speaker 2: So I agree.
Speaker 1: Somebody had sent me that again and yeah again, it's
Speaker 1: it is important not just for Kentucky people come on
Speaker 1: Kentucky basketball. It's it's it's truly worldwide. And so that's
Speaker 1: a cool thing. And as I've gotten older and Mark
Speaker 1: Pope saying, you know, Jim, you're one of the guys
Speaker 1: that built this, well, a lot of guys built it,
Speaker 1: and he's carrying on that tradition. But it it's just
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to be reminded of every year at
Speaker 1: this time and other things. So the Louisville game's a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 3: Yes, So having so many student athletes from all different places, right,
Speaker 3: we mentioned Lamont Butler, He's coming from San Diego State,
Speaker 3: Jackson Robinson from BYU, Kobe Brea from Dayton, so many
Speaker 3: different players from different schools coming together. They're getting to
Speaker 3: experience this first Kentucky Louisville rivalry on Saturday. What would
Speaker 3: you say to them to embrace that moment?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I did say something to Kobe. I don't
Speaker 1: know if any if they know this, but uk I
Speaker 1: thought it was a nice thing. They had ex players
Speaker 1: like me write a letter and then even do a
Speaker 1: video very recently. So my player was Kobe because he's
Speaker 1: a shooter.
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: So wrote him a nice letter, beautiful thing, and told
Speaker 1: him what it meant to me and the games I
Speaker 1: played in and who I played against. And again what
Speaker 1: we talked about is people are still talking about my
Speaker 1: game against those against that the Dream Game, the original.
Speaker 4: Dream Game, the original Dream Game.
Speaker 1: So just tell him to embrace it and set his
Speaker 1: own memories as the game goes on.
Speaker 3: So to watch him play, Kobe Burreah, he was the
Speaker 3: player you got matched up with.
Speaker 4: We know he's a shooter.
Speaker 3: How fun is it to watch him just shoot the.
Speaker 4: Three day in and day out?
Speaker 2: It is he's a crazy good shooter. Now what we
Speaker 2: need to do, coach bo Okay, let's get more shots.
Speaker 1: But it's tough and believe it because people know he
Speaker 1: can shoot. So even in my day, you know they're
Speaker 1: going to put somebody on him and so you're you're creative.
Speaker 1: If we can get him open more and he's got
Speaker 1: he's got to work on it too. But crazy good shooter,
Speaker 1: crazy good shooter. So as I tell crazy good shooters,
Speaker 1: you got to look for the shot and when you
Speaker 1: have it, you got to take the shot. So we
Speaker 1: get a lot of guys that can shoot, though, but
Speaker 1: he's one of the best.
Speaker 4: What do you think makes him such a good shooter?
Speaker 1: Well, I asked him that actually down at the Duke
Speaker 1: game and we were in the swimming pool. He's soaking
Speaker 1: his foot in the tub hot tub or something. I said,
Speaker 1: have you always been He goes, yeah, But again it's
Speaker 1: probably like anything.
Speaker 2: He goes, you know, I work at it. I work
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 1: Crazy good form and gets the spin right and a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence.
Speaker 2: It takes that. So he is one of my favorites
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, Kentucky has Colgate this Wednesday before they have the
Speaker 3: Battle of Bluegrass. So in a week where you have
Speaker 3: two games, and especially a significant game on Saturday, you know,
Speaker 3: how do you stay focused to make sure you don't
Speaker 3: overlook somebody.
Speaker 1: Well that's coach Pope and his coaching staff, which they're fantastic.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he's preaching that every day and.
Speaker 2: It is tough.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, these are young We're not kids,
Speaker 1: I guess, but young and impressionable and all that.
Speaker 2: And now, what I think helps us with this team
Speaker 2: is the maturity.
Speaker 1: And these young men have played a lot of games,
Speaker 1: most of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that helps.
Speaker 1: And so you're going to have ups and downs, but
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if they don't take care of
Speaker 1: business on Wednesday and then look forward to the big
Speaker 1: game on Saturday.
Speaker 4: The big game on Saturday. I know we're going to
Speaker 4: get into.
Speaker 3: We got into the Louis game a little bit, but
Speaker 3: I do want to just get quickly your thoughts before
Speaker 3: we let you go. Jim on the SEC and how
Speaker 3: you've really seen this grow, not only as a football
Speaker 3: conference but basketball conference. We talked so much about SEC football,
Speaker 3: but I mean Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee still undefeated
Speaker 3: in college basketball this year.
Speaker 4: How has this conference grown? And what do you think
Speaker 4: you can do?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they could have twelve teams
Speaker 3: in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Speaker 1: And probably yeah, a lot of teams, No doubt about it,
Speaker 1: and it has grown over time. I think it's the coaches.
Speaker 1: We continue and we've had great coaches. Other schools have
Speaker 1: stepped it up. The amount of money football makes. I
Speaker 1: think other schools have stepped it up on the coaching facilities.
Speaker 1: Think all that it's the SEC. But I have made
Speaker 1: the comment just in the last few weeks in SEC football,
Speaker 1: especially when we've hadded these other teams. Now we're eating ourselves, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just a battle. And then I think
Speaker 1: Alabama should have made the plays. But then so we
Speaker 1: beat each other up. That's probably what's gonna happen in
Speaker 1: SEC basketball. So back to my point a few minutes ago,
Speaker 1: great that we build our resume already, and I think
Speaker 1: they should take care of business before we get it
Speaker 1: in the SEC. So it's because it's gonna be brutal.
Speaker 1: Teams are gonna you go on the road.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough at home, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: brutal to get some of these wins on the road.
Speaker 2: So they better be ready.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say eat each other the transitive property.
Speaker 3: It's like we talk about it in SEC football. Well,
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt beat Alabama, but Alabama beat Georgia, and you can
Speaker 3: play that game all day. And I know that when
Speaker 3: we play this SEC basketball schedule, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 3: be something along those lines of Well, Kentucky beat Tennessee,
Speaker 3: but Tennessee beat Alabama and Alabama beat Auburn. But how
Speaker 3: does a schedule like that, a conference schedule, prepare you
Speaker 3: for postseason play?
Speaker 1: Well, it really does. Again, playing on the road is
Speaker 1: just brutal in any conference, in almost any sport, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna have tough games.
Speaker 2: So yes, it gets the fight in.
Speaker 1: It gets the intensity and how the level has to
Speaker 1: get up there and the defense will be better, and
Speaker 1: the road wins you get.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones you really like. Home games.
Speaker 1: I always like to say we're supposed to win at home,
Speaker 1: But on the road, that's the real challenge. And that's
Speaker 1: when you see how good maybe you can get in
Speaker 1: tough situations.
Speaker 4: Well, I love it.
Speaker 3: The SEC schedule will be here before we know it.
Speaker 3: We got Florida coming up soon, but first Colgate this Wednesday,
Speaker 3: and then of course the Battle of the Bluegrass this
Speaker 3: Saturday in Reparina.
Speaker 4: Jim will be there. I will be there.
Speaker 3: Jim Master, thank you so much for taking your time
Speaker 3: to come on the Behind Kentucky Basketball Podcast today.
Speaker 2: Well I love it and go Cats.
Speaker 4: Go Cats.
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