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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here with another top five episode,

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and this is a little unusual because it's really a

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bottom five episode. Right.

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Speaker 2: We don't typically like to be haters, but we don't,

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but sometimes there are movies that deserve it. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you will not hear us hate on

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movies very often. When we pick movies to cover, we

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pick movies we like.

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Speaker 2: Generally we pick winners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Exceptions to that rule so far have been Jaws

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The Revenge versus Superman four, two movies that both came

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out the same year that were absolutely dismal for an

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otherwise impressive franchise. Then we're gonna have another couple of

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movies in the future. We're going to be teaming up

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with some friends, gonna cover Last Action Hero, which is

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a movie you walked out of I did, and then

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that versus Alien three, yes, which I don't think I

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walked out of that one, but I did walk out

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of whatever the fourth one was where she had an

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alien baby. At the alien baby scene, I was like,

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I'm done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that here in the next

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couple of weeks with the guys from the Film By podcast. Yeah,

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and actually we talked with them about Superman four versus

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Chara Revenge. We call it What the Heck Happened Series.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so this is our top five of what the

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heck Happened from the eighties sequels.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Now important to note we recently did an episode with

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another podcast called pop Culture Yearbook. Yeah, that's right, and

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we covered the best sequels of the eighties. And the

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rules on that game were that the sequels had to

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have come out sometime between nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety nine, right,

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and it was more like a draft type of thing.

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So we had three guys from the podcasts and us too.

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So those three guys were Brad, Pete and Giff and

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we picked the best sequels of the eighties. But today

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we are going to be picking the worst sequels of

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the eighties. Yes, enjoy this episode and then go check

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out that episode we did with them again. That podcast is.

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Speaker 2: Called pop Culture Yearbook.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So the only rule that we are keeping, yes,

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is that the movie has to come out sometime during

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the eighties yesteen eighty to nineteen eighty nine. And again

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it's going to be like our normal top five. Jason

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has five, I have five. They might overlap, they might

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be a sequel from another franchise. I don't know. We

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will see.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what each other's lists are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like our other top five episodes, what we're

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going to do is we're going to drop little bread

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calms and see if we can get the other guy

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to guess what movie it is that we're talking about. Right,

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are you ready to jump in?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to jump in. Let's do five, four, three, two,

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honorable mentioned autible mention number one. Yes, just like our

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top five lists before, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna let you go first. It's time.

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Speaker 2: All right, d my number five Top five. I don't

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know how to say this the right way. So this

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is the fifth worst sequel of the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Five.

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Speaker 2: Now, some people are gonna fall out of their chair

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when I say this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this was released.

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Speaker 2: December eleventh, nineteen eighty five. Okay, this is a sequel.

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So here's the tricky part. Part of me is like,

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that's the worst sequel I've ever seen. The other part

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of me is like, I loved the first movie and

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this was the biggest disappointment I've ever had. Okay, So

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December eleventh, nineteen eighty five, the budget on this one

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twenty five million. It made ninety six million dollars. So

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this is a hit movie.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, then the star of this movie tried to back

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out at the last minute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the other star.

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Speaker 2: Like, there's two main people in this movie. The other

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star was the producer, and he went to the studio

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and the studio threatened to sue her for like twenty

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five million dollars if she drops out. And so the

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main male lead had to be the go between between

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his female co star and the studio to keep her

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from being sued. It was a total disaster before I

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got off the ground, any idea what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: I give up?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you this hint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The best thing to come from this movie is the

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number two hit song when the Going Gets Tough by

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Billy Oshin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, No, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay. This is the sequel to Romancing the Stone. This

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movie is called Jewel of the Nile.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I.

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Speaker 3: Got no pot Jack Coltman Chom Wild were romance and

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a new kind of stone, all the jew him up

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the nile.

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Speaker 1: I practically got it in my hands.

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Speaker 3: The only thing stopping me this quick shot a ripe

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, cass. So Kathleen Turner was like, this

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Speaker 2: I'm Kathleen Turner said. When she started to read the script,

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She's like, this sucks. I want out. And Michael Douglas

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is the producer on the movie. Yeah, And so she's

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getting ready to screw him over. And so he said, listen,

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calm down, I'll go to the studio. We'll rewrite this.

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It'll be good. So they literally sat down with three

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different scripts. He and Kathleen Turner sat down on the

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ground and they decided, okay, well keep this. No, that's out. No,

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this is in and that's out. And it was just

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a disaster. I tried to watch this last night. Yeah,

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for as good, literally as good as Michael Douglas, A

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List Starr and Danny DeVito super funny, and Kathleen Turner

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beautiful at the moment they could do nothing with this

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dog around their neck.

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Speaker 1: Really, it was awful, I guess. I mean I saw

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it in the eighties and I was a kid, so

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I just I guess I enjoyed it in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the deal. Spoiler. Okay, if you haven't

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seen Jewel the Nile, it came out forty years ago.

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The Jewel is a man, which my twelve year old

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self stood up in the theater. I'm like, what the

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what are you talking about? I want my money back?

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This is bull crap. Okay, So that's my number five.

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So you don't remember that.

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Speaker 1: One, now, I mean I don't remember the movie. I

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just remember thinking of a good movie. So okay, I

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couldn't have been alone. Obviously, there were you know, is

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ninety five million. It's not a bad showing. It's true's tough.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Douglas, Danny DeVito, and Kathleen Turner

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do go on to star in One of the Roses

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in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: I do remember that. I remember watching that one in

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the theater and not being impressed. Terrible, not being impressed

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at all. Yeah, okay, okay, so here we go my

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number five. The star of this particular movie is now

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pretty routinely an actor who is in pretty close to

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Christian movies. Like a lot of the you know, Christian

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pushed movies, but at the time that he made this movie,

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he was pretty well out of his mind on coke,

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as was several of the other actors in the movie. Okay,

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the actor who had played the lead in the first

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two of these movies said, Mesistopheles himself could not have

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pulled me in to make this movie. He almost didn't

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make part two. But they made Part three, and it

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was so bad that when they made Part four, which

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It was. It was the characters became entirely different people

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with different backgrounds. It was like number three never happened.

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Speaker 2: I know what this is. I know what it is.

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It's Jaws three, three D.

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Speaker 1: You got it.

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Speaker 4: With the first you were too terrified to go back

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in the water. Just when you were starting to think

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it was safe, along came the second. Now nature's most

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terrifying creature has returned in an all new adventure, Jaws three.

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Speaker 1: This movie was the first movie I ever saw that

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I walked out of the movie, and it was not

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my doing. I didn't. I mean, I was a little kid.

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I had no idea, but my Dad was like, okay,

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come on, we're leaving, and I'm like, you could do that.

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I thought you had to watch to the end. I

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thought that was the rule.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the deal. I talked to Jeff Johnson

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with the Philby podcast about this the other day. Yes,

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we've covered Jaws one, they've covered Jaws two. We together

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have covered Josh four. We have got to get together

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and talk about Joss three at some point.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, okay, So we're onto my number four.

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Speaker 5: Four?

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Speaker 2: All right. This movie was released November twenty first, nineteen

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eighty four. Sorry, def Dave black Eye for nineteen eighty

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four on this one, Sonya, Yes, no, it's not right.

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Speaker 1: Fifth category? Am I am I wrong? Category?

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Speaker 2: That's true? It is not that Okay. This had a

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whopping eight percent on Rotten Tomatoes. This one two razzies

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and literally is responsible for the selling of this franchise

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to the Canon group.

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Speaker 1: Is this Superman three?

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Speaker 2: This is not Superman three?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 3: A girl.

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Speaker 6: Alexander Sulkind presents the action packed adventures of a dazzling

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new superhero, starring Peter o'too I.

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Speaker 5: Must be sent to the phantom zone.

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Speaker 2: They Dunaway mea Farah Venus ring ridden of a caro Mark.

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Speaker 6: McClure, that's Clark Kent's cousin hert Buckner, and introducing Helen

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Slater as super Girl. Adventure runs in the family.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, right of course, yes, so there you go.

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four quests for peace.

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Speaker 2: There is no question. This is worse.

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Speaker 1: Is worse for sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay, now listen to this. I got some tidbits for

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you on this. They Dunaway was cast as the stupid

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Witch in this movie. They wanted Dolly Parton. Demi Moore

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was almost cast as Lucy Lane in this movie. Lucy

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Lane is Lois's sister.

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Speaker 1: Oh right right.

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Speaker 2: Helen Slater is Supergirl. She's twenty years old. None of

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this is her fault. She has no real superpower. She

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can fly, but like she changes clothes magically and her

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hair changes colors. This makes no sense. A total dog yeah,

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absolute disaster and literally caused the Superman franchise to fall

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in the Cannon Group's hands. Wow, in which they promptly

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turned around and made Superman four, which we'll talk about.

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Speaker 1: Here in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right back to you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this one that I'm about to talk to talk

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about it was the beginning of the end for the franchise,

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but somehow it did not stop them. Okay, so still

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had as the lead, the lead from Part one and

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and it was the beginning of the dismal results that

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were Part four, Part five and Part six. And you're

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gonna hurt.

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Speaker 2: My feelings if this is what I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the one where everybody went, Wait a minute,

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Steve Gutenberg is terrible? How did he? How's he been

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a star? How do we get him in cocoons? Oh?

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Speaker 2: My gosh, the goots? Yeah, this is the fourth Police

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Academy movie.

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Speaker 3: Graduates in Police Academy. I wonder to welcome all.

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Speaker 2: Of you citizens.

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Speaker 7: The Police Academy has offered to train you citizen here.

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Speaker 1: You don't think I'm facked.

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Speaker 3: You know, if any won't do you.

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Speaker 1: To better protect yourself?

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Speaker 3: Do we get to pack heat a car, thecho card,

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money chairs, sitting mat Jo, my dollar, sweet Chi that's it?

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Speaker 6: And Tackleberry good idea?

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Speaker 2: I saw this in the theaters me.

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could I possibly have found? Funny?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I haven't seen this since eighty seven, but

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I'll eat my shoes. If you've seen this movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: This movie is a sequel that came out in nineteen

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eighty five to a movie that we've covered on the

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eighty five. Okay, now listen to this. The subtitle for

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this movie is called Your Sister Is a Werewolf.

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Speaker 1: Nope, okay.

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Speaker 2: This stars Reb Brown, who played Captain America in the

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nineteen seventy nine version.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, you've got jud Omen who played Mickey in

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Peewee's Big Adventure, the guy who hitches a ride and

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he's running from the cops.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna have to keep going, my friend, I've

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got nothing.

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Speaker 2: This is the big dropper. For you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: It also stars Marcia Hunt, who was married to Mick Jagger.

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She's a black woman. She was the source for the

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song brown Sugar.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: It also stars Sybil Danning as Queen Sturba, who is

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the Queen Werewolf. This is the Howling to Part two

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Potty Time.

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Speaker 7: It's no rocking Shock new Way, oh hard, no howling too.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I can say that I've seen parts of this, very

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specific parts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we have to talk about that part, right,

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Sybil Danning. You don't hire for a great acting ability.

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the director of this movie is like, okay, let's go top,

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let's take it off. And she's like, no, I'm not

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doing I'm tired of doing boom shots. Uh huh. And

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he's like, no, you have to. It's part of your contract.

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I'm gonna do this one time. So she rips off

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her shirt one time in the movie, and then they

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copy and paste it seventeen times in the closing credits.

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Speaker 1: Yep, rip, rip rip.

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Speaker 2: You have lines like I told you we'd get these fuzzballs.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that is great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, over to you, my good man.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're to my number three.

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Speaker 2: You're number three, all right.

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Speaker 1: This movie came out in nineteen eighty three, forty years ago. Okay.

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The star of this movie said that his favorite director

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to work with was the director of this movie because

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he knew how to make me look the best on screen. Okay.

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The director also had a movie came out in eighty

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three that was absolutely fantastic, that was a number three

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in the series. Okay, I don't know what it is yet.

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The director had her brother who had a song on

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the album how about you got it now?

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Speaker 2: Uh, we queue up Frank Stallone Far from over. This

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is Staying Alive.

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Speaker 8: Pictures presents John Travolta. You know, Robert Stigwood production, a

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Sylvester Stallone film, Staying a Lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Sylvester Stallone John Travolta's favorite director to work

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with because Sylvester Stallone knew how to make John Travolta

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look good on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: What is also interesting is that this got a wopping

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four point seven on IMDb, so he couldn't have either.

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He didn't look that good or the looking good didn't

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make enough difference for such a terrible, terrible script.

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Speaker 2: I have never seen this movie. Oh yeah, but here's

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the deal. You and I both hated Saturday Night Fever.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so, I mean the thing is that as

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bad as Saturday Night Fever was, this is worse. This

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is worse. Yeah. I actually when we first started watching

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Saturday Night Fever, I was like, where's the part where

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he says I'm going to go strut? It turns out

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that was my memory from watching Staying Alive and that

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didn't happen until that next movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, quick note on Staying Alive number one. I know

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our good buddy John Reid likes this movie.

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Speaker 1: John Reid, who also likes Alien three.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right. I do know that Cynthia Rhodes aka Rosanna

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and Penny from Dirty Dancing was in this movie, and

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I know that she met her husband Richard Marx on

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the set of Staying Alive.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is very cool, now, but that's Patrick

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Swayze is in the movie Dancing in White Suspenders again

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with Cyncia and Cynthia Rhodes.

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Speaker 2: Crazy again with Cynthia Rhods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly you know from the Toto video exactly

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in your Dreams. And also Richie Sampora is in the movie.

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He is a member of Frank Stallone's band. Whenever Tony

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Manero visits Jackie at the rehearsals at the club.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm watching this movie. Now, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I've got to watch this movie. You dig it the most, baby,

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Speaker 2: Another movie where the best thing that came out of

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this was the song Okay, I wean know to my

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number two.

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Speaker 1: You're number two.

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Speaker 2: Two My number two was released August twelfth, nineteen eighty three.

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This is another movie that made me stand up in

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the theater and point and say, what the f is

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going on? This is absolute abomination.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Problem with this is this was like the eighth movie

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in the series of a very successful series that you

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and I both talked about how much we like. Okay,

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the star of the series died, and this is the

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second attempt to reboot the series without him but maintaining

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the character.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing, man, this is good. Keep going, okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The star of this particular movie is another actor that

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we've talked about. He played James Bond in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Oh, is this the Pink Panther. This is the return

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of the Pink pant Curse of the Pink Panther, of

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the Pink Panther. That's right.

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Speaker 5: Introducing Ted Was as a detective sergeant Clifton Slay and

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Blake Edwards Curse of the Pink Panther.

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Speaker 1: This is my big chance, don't it?

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Speaker 2: Where Inspector Clouseau quote unquote has plastic surgery and is

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played by a clumsy, ridiculous French accent Roger Moore.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, I can tell you that what I

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remember of this movie involved grapes, yes, because that's what

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I was concerned about whenever I was a kid, was

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the naked ladies squishing the grapes with their toes.

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Speaker 2: God was that in this one or was that in

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the previous one?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 1: I think that was I think that.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I do remember that scene.

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Speaker 7: Though.

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Speaker 2: I do know that Blake Edwards like they changed the

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release date of this movie and it violated his contract,

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and so he sued the studio and then they sued

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him and it was this big legal battle. Either way,

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it was this huge decise. How do you make two

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Pink Panther movies? Keeping in spectracluzoh and not and Peter

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Sellers is dead and buried.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad. It's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: It's insane, terrible, terrible. Okay, that's a good choice to

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your number two, sir. All right, My number two is

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a number two, okay. Came out of nineteen eighty eight.

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This might be my number one.

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Speaker 1: I'm confident that it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we can we can talk together.

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Speaker 1: Can dispense with the with the guessing. At this point,

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I am confident that this is your number one. Okay,

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we can move on and go straight into your number

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one because we're at your number one, right, this is.

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Speaker 2: Got Oh yeah, we gotta do honorable mentions, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, so before we get to this one, which is

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my number two, go.

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Speaker 2: Ahead, you're number one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, We've got honorable mentions. So I'm gonna let you

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go on the honorable mentions. Okay.

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Speaker 2: My first honorable mention D came out the summer of

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nineteen eighty seven. We did a whole podcast on this movie.

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This movie nearly and I mean nearly killed this franchise

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that was an American icon because this movie was so bad.

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Released in nineteen eighty seven, they ran out of money,

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and so the poor actor who we all adore in

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this role had to look really hard at the Great

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Wall of China and rebuild it.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting because my number two is your

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number one, and my number one is your honorable mentions. Okay,

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this is this is the question for more money. This

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is Superman.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely it is. The Canon group purchased this because

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the Salkinds got in so much trouble with Supergirl.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Then they turn around and they have been hamorrhaging like

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ninety million dollars a year, so they have to cut corners.

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The budget for this Superman movie was seventeen million dollars.

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How do you make a big budget Superman movie for

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seventeen million bucks?

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Speaker 1: You don't. You make a terrible, terrible thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they had a pretty good start. They had Gene Hackman,

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they had John Cryer, they had Margo Kidder. And then

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they turn around and do things like Superman is flying

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and intentionally drops Margo Kidder. It gives her our heart attack?

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Remember that?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Uh, it's so bad. Guys, go back and check

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out our Superman four versus Jaws The Revenge.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, my second honorable mention is a part three

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to a movie that we have discussed in season one.

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This movie was literally the second biggest movie of nineteen

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seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So by the time this rolls out in the year

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nineteen eighty three again and the main character is not

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in this movie, it's baffling to me that somebody says,

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keep going, let's do this. So here's what they do.

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They doubled down. Excuse me, they triple down, and they

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make the Smoky the bandit also literally with no bandit's

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this is smoking the Bandit. Part three. Jerry Reid was

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the bandit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he played. He steps into the bandit position and

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it is not a good it's not a good fit.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he had to come in at the last

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minute because originally Jackie Gleason was playing the bandit and

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then but he was also playing the smoky and he's

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also playing like his cousin, Canadian cousin Jackie Gleason had

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multiple parts and the audience got confused, so they brought

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in Jerry Reid to play the bandit the last second.

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It was a complete disaster and they should have just

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dropped it. Okay, onto your honorable mentions.

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Speaker 1: Sir, Okay, So this is a sea cool to a

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movie that we have talked about before. We've talked about

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the original movie before, not in a full episode context,

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but I know that I've brought it up before because

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there's a scene in the middle of that movie where

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they're in a graveyard and one of the members of

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the punk band, one of the female members played by

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incredible actress Lena Quigley, who seems to lose her clothes

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in quite a horror movies, gun Blisser manages to lose

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her clothes in this movie as well. As she's stripping

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to song, somebody's playing out of a boombox in the cemetery.

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literally at the Vinyl record store and this song starts

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playing over the pa and I'm like, no, this song.

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Where do I know this song from? And the guy's like,

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you know it from Return of the Living Dead And

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I was like, oh, yeah, I've only seen that one part.

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He's like, yep, that's the same part that everybody else

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has seen. But that Return of the Living Dead was

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not a bad movie. I mean, it's a seven point three.

475
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,839
It's a good movie. The Return of the Living Dead

476
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,599
Part two five point seven came out in nineteen eighty eight,

477
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,880
and it is a dismal, dismal follow up. Oh man,

478
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:19,880
could have been a pretty good series of movies.

479
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, that's good. I've never seen that one. Nineteen

480
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,640
eighty eight. Huh yep, thirty five years ago.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't bother with part two. Just go back to

482
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part one which came out, and go back to part one,

483
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,559
which came out in eighty five. The perfect time to have,

484
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:40,640
you know, punk heads stripping in a cemetery. Okay, okay,

485
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this one is for you, sir.

486
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is your second honorable mention.

487
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Speaker 1: This is my second honorable mention, not because the first

488
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:50,480
one was great, although it did. It did launch the

489
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career of a director that we've talked about before. Okay,

490
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and oddly enough, in a movie where he was parodying

491
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a movie that of a big director at the time

492
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who then said, Hey, I want you to come direct

493
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,519
a movie that I'm producing. But the part two of

494
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,319
the series nearly ended the career of one of your

495
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favorite directors before it ever got started.

496
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Speaker 2: I know what this is. Yes, this is Piranhatu, the Spawning.

497
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Speaker 1: You got it.

498
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Speaker 2: Hey, I watched this movie and I don't think it's

499
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all that bad.

500
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, James Cameron thought it was terrible. James Cameron did think,

501
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,799
and James Cameron got like fired halfway through or quit

502
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,880
halfway through, depending on which version you listened to. Like,

503
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:39,240
he was there with no money, not for the movie,

504
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,359
not for himself. He was stealing food off of the

505
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200
carts that people left out at the hotel room. That's

506
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,319
how that's how down to the dirt he was. And yeah,

507
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:54,359
I he luckily managed to escape what could have been

508
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:57,960
a dismal career ending movie by just kind of disclaiming

509
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and saying this wasn't really me.

510
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: Right, he said when he got the phone call that

511
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,160
he was fired, he was painting rubber fish in his

512
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,599
hotel room, like working around the clock to try and

513
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make this turn into something good.

514
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

515
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,319
Speaker 2: Jeff Johnson and I have talked about this. We both

516
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,240
like this movie. Wow, it's actually okay.

517
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: No, it's not. This movie got a three point eight.

518
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,599
Oh yeah, okay, so we are on to our number ones.

519
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Speaker 2: One of the good things about Prontutude the Spawning though,

520
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:32,279
that's when Lance Hendrickson meets up with James Cameron and

521
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,279
he goes on to play Bishop and Aliens.

522
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and is the He is the guy who James

523
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Cameron had set up to play the terminator and comes

524
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,960
in dressed as the terminator for the producers, bust through

525
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,920
the door, gun in hand, and they're like, what the heck? Yeah,

526
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:55,599
almost ruined that one too, that's true. Yeah, that's good

527
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,880
all right. So now here we are to number back

528
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to number ones. And I know what yours is?

529
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 2: No Jerseys.

530
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:11,559
Speaker 1: One, right, So yours is Caddyshack too.

531
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Speaker 5: Ladies and a gentlemen, let's get ready to remember what

532
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,559
goes around comes around. Welcome back to Caddyshack.

533
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 9: Hey, ty, you're looking well, Hey, nice to see if

534
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,519
any ted whatever?

535
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: Bushwood Country Club, So you want to join old Bushwood,

536
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,440
where snowbery is a way of life.

537
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,359
Speaker 1: We just don't feed your Bushwood material. I want to

538
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,480
bite Bushwood Country Club.

539
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:43,119
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, honest. But now it's members

540
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,119
are gonna get what they deserve.

541
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,079
Speaker 4: What do you think is it great?

542
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,039
Speaker 10: That's grat h out.

543
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: God, the shack is back.

544
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Our members will never stand for this.

545
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 10: It's a story of high culture.

546
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: Who I was looking? Bodygrip?

547
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 7: No, No, that loose stuff.

548
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:02,839
Speaker 1: You put your.

549
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,119
Speaker 10: Combs in no and subculture.

550
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 7: I got you.

551
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,519
Speaker 2: Now you're a little furry freak.

552
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: Sophisticated ladies.

553
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:13,279
Speaker 4: You did not on purpose.

554
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,759
Speaker 1: Well, I will be a caddy all my life.

555
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 8: I'm going to.

556
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,039
Speaker 5: Car wash school in the farm and perfect gentlemen, have

557
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,880
you ever seen a crisp fifty dollars?

558
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: Bill? I tell you what if I pulled the arrow out,

559
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,920
will you please suck out the poison for me?

560
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,279
Speaker 1: Catty Shack two?

561
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: Is there any money in it for me?

562
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: Mine is Caddyshack to got a whopping four percent on

563
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rotten tomatoes.

564
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Speaker 1: Four percent.

565
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Speaker 2: Listen to this. Rodney Dangerfield was supposed to come back

566
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as Al Shirvekh. He was funny in Caddy Shack Part one,

567
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,400
and they were going to bring back Chevy Chase. Bill

568
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Murray had no interest, so they brought Harold Ramis in.

569
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This was going to be a mean, high dollar tent

570
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,240
pole comedy for eighty eight. But Rodney Dangerfield got sideways

571
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,519
with the studio, so he drops out. Harold Ramis said, well,

572
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,160
if Rodney Dangerfield is not in it, I'm dropping out.

573
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,079
So he drops out right. They wouldn't let him take

574
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,960
his name off the thing. Chevy Chase wanted a million

575
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,359
bucks just to be in it for five minutes, and

576
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,039
he was a turn to the director of the whole

577
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:24,039
time sucker and Harold Raimis went to the studios like, listen,

578
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,160
let's just let this thing die. John Peters Is like, no, no, no, no,

579
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,000
We'll get Jackie Mason in it. They'll be great. Jackie

580
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Mason is terrible.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy that got into direct is a guy

582
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:44,240
named Alan Parkish. Yes, literally, his big movie before this

583
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,839
was nineteen eighty three's Get Crazy.

584
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Speaker 2: You know what he was famous for up to this

585
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,519
point Moonlighting.

586
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,319
Speaker 1: Oh is that what he was doing? Yeah? Wow, yeah,

587
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:55,759
I mean he would he directed some TV. He did

588
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
La Law and Saint Elsewhere. But yeah, no, the this

589
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,920
was their pick for the replacement for Harold Ramos.

590
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, I watched this movie the other day. I

591
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,880
watched it. It was so bad. I literally told you,

592
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,599
I counted down to the exact second that this movie

593
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,839
lost me one minute in thirty seconds, one minute and

594
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,920
thirty seconds. Because the movie starts off at one minute

595
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,319
in thirty seconds. You have this ridiculous, terrible gopher puppet

596
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,640
that looks way worse and has no character than the

597
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,759
one that appeared in the first movie that was so

598
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:31,559
freakin funny.

599
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

600
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: I looked at him like, this sucks.

601
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: It's just it's just that's right, it sucks.

602
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: Dan Aykroyd, they brought him in to do the Bill

603
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,359
Murray Park. Yeah, he has this ridiculous high voice.

604
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: It's terrible. It's so so bad.

605
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: Michael Willingham of The La Times said this film is

606
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,000
so bad it makes Caddyshack one look like the Godfather

607
00:32:54,079 --> 00:33:00,759
part too. So bad. Yeah, yep, all right, onto your

608
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:01,599
number one, sir.

609
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Speaker 1: All right, my number one may not be the worst

610
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640
in the series, especially considering that you've already brought up

611
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,599
one of the things in the series that led to

612
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,880
the making of this movie. But I never saw a Supergirl.

613
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,680
Didn't watch it, like yeah, yeah. I think like it

614
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,680
might have been a thing where it was on TV

615
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,559
and I was like, Oh, I should watch this, and

616
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,640
I put it on and I was just like no, no.

617
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,559
So I had the same reaction with that one that

618
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,720
I had with Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull, where

619
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I watched it for maybe five to ten minutes and

620
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,640
I was just like, there's no way that this can

621
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,319
become good like it is unrecoverable. On the other hand,

622
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,359
what happened with Superman four? My number one is I

623
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,880
watched it all and I just walked out a broken

624
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,759
human being.

625
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 10: The greatest hope against the threat of nuclear war is Superman.

626
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 9: I'm going to do what our governments they've been unwilling

627
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,319
or unable to do effective immediately. I'm going to rid

628
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:15,000
our planet of all nuclear weapons.

629
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Speaker 10: The greatest threat to Superman is Lex Luthor.

630
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Smarter than I thought, we can make the world safe

631
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:22,000
for war profits.

632
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:28,039
Speaker 10: He's created the ultimate weapon to annihilate the Man of Steel.

633
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,639
Speaker 3: Risk worldwide nuclear war for your own personal financial game.

634
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,119
Speaker 10: Nobody wants war.

635
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: I just want to keep the threat alive.

636
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: Dude, to steal where are you gonna get it?

637
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: And you know you're a workaholic. Let's just stop smell

638
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:50,480
the roses.

639
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 10: Hum Superman for Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman, Jackie Cooper, John

640
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,039
Cryer with Mary Way and Margot Kidder as Lois Lane.

641
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:09,079
Superman for his most important adventure, the Quest for Peace.

642
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,199
Speaker 1: I mean I used to dress up like Superman. Superman

643
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,880
was my go to guy, and they ruined it. They

644
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:31,000
just ruined it. And so because it was taken from

645
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,039
such high point from my perspective down to such a

646
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:36,880
low point with this movie. That's why I put it in.

647
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,639
Speaker 2: It's so Superman has all these ridiculous powers. The effects

648
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,519
are terrible. They keep reusing the same shot. You have

649
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,760
this kid named Jeremy and his social studies class who

650
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,880
tells everyone, no, no, should get Superman take care of

651
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,880
the nuclear bombs. He gets a giant net from home

652
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960
depot and takes all the nuclear bombs to the sun and.

653
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: What and that creates like a fetus from the sun. Yeah,

654
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,400
a growing fetus from the sun that suddenly has clothes,

655
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,760
Like we're gonna make this all scientific until it can't

656
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,440
be naked. And he's literally goo that they put in

657
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,760
a box on one of the missiles, like what what

658
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,320
are you what? And it gets worse from there, like

659
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,119
it's like the worst creation point you can imagine. And

660
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,119
then we're gonna go all right, here is the guy

661
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:34,840
we're pitting against Superman because he's so powerful unless you

662
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,239
have an umbrella.

663
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,679
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and they actually do a good job, like

664
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,360
Superman thinks this through. Okay, this guy is completely solar

665
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,760
powered as long as the sun doesn't touch him, I'm safe.

666
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,280
So he takes him to the dark side of the

667
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,119
moon literally never gets sunlight.

668
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, except in the movie it does. Like what krack

669
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:59,800
a text?

670
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,679
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, please ely dude, it's terrible.

671
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So that does it for our top five

672
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or bottom five, if you will, Top five worst sequels

673
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,079
of the nineteen eighties. Now, I had some movies that

674
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,679
I was excited to talk about today that Jason totally went, no,

675
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,599
we can't do that because that's the nineties. I'm like,

676
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,960
oh crap, we've changed the rules. So the reason for

677
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,079
that is we will be coming back to you soon

678
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,320
with a top five worst sequels of the nineties.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear what you guys think are these

680
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,599
If you are out there and you have an opinion

681
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,599
that says, no, no, no, no, you got this wrong. That

682
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,480
movie is actually really good. We really want to hear

683
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,599
from you. I want to hear from somebody who says,

684
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,679
Caddy Shack two is awesome, or Smoking the Band it

685
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,400
is Part three is freaking funny. I don't think you're

686
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,280
I don't think they're out there.

687
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 1: We'll see Jackie Mason.

688
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: When Jackie Mason his golf swad. I don't even want

689
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,880
to get into his golf week. Hit us up on Facebook,

690
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840
hit us up on Twitter at Shirley Podcasts on both spots.

691
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,559
Thanks guys, We will see you back here next week,

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I guess