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you guys are, what you bring to the table, and
your story of how y'all met.
Speaker 4: We start there, sure. So Mike and I we came
together back in two thousand and eight, and there are
just so many synchronicities within our story that's so much fun.
It's always a lot of fun to tell. I'll let
my kind of dive into a little bit of his side.
But he had some you know, traumatic events happen before
we had come together. He had experienced a lot of
deaths that were happening in his life. And at the time,
I had just launched my website, put myself out there,
you know, on the spiritual path. Finally came out of
the closet to say, hey, I'm a healer because I
have a mental health background and a licensed mental health therapist.
So I was doing clinical therapy for so long, but
then I personally was on a spiritual journey and healing
a lot of stuff from my past and trauma with
energy work, and then I just eventually knew on my
path that I had to combine the two. And the
first week that I launched my website, I get this
phone call from this filmmaker and he's like, I want
to make a documentary about you, and I want to,
you know, film you about reiki. And I was like,
oh my god. You know, the universe is answering my call.
You know, it's supporting me. I came out and now
it's like, yes, let's make a documentary. So we ended
up meeting and I just was like, I don't want
to be on film. So but I have all of
these teachers who had like twenty five thirty years experience,
and I just felt like I had only about eight
years under my belt at that time, so I wasn't
really feeling like an expert in the field. And so
I got Mike connected with all of these energy healers
that I had known, and he was doing some research
on his back end and he can tell you about
that too, and then we just kind of combined forces.
We took a weak vacation and we traveled all up
and down the East coast. It got a ton of footage,
and then eventually made three documentaries called the Path Trilogy
series out of that. But Mike, why don't you kind
of explain what really prompted you to kind of come
out and contact me.
Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, this was yeah, two thousand and seven, two
thousand and eight, I had experienced a tremendous amount of
loss in my personal life between friend's family, a bunch
of people had passed away in a short amount of time.
So I was very curious as to where all these
people were going, because at the time I was knowing
more people that had died than were actually still living.
So it was just natural curiosity. And I always had
a curiousity. I was always curious about, you know, life
after death, you know what happens when you die, even
you know the whole UFO thing, paranormal, you name it.
I was always into that stuff. But yeah, at that
time I started digging into researching some things. YouTube had
just come out, I think it was maybe two years
old at that time, so there was you know, a
little clips here and there that would peque your interest
and you have to dive further into it and watch,
you know, more movies, lectures, you know, read books. And
then I thought that this this should be be something
like it should be a movie or more YouTube clips.
Who knows. And you know, at the time, I was
doing TV advertising. I have a background in TV production,
TV news specifically, so I have been doing you know,
a lot of documentary kind of work locally. And at
the same time, I had just watched The Secret and
What the Bleep, two very popular movies that had come
out talking about some of this stuff, and I thought
there should be more. So that's that's why I started
researching who in my local community, I guess nearby I
could talk to you to learn more. And April was
one of those people that responded and got back to me,
and you know, we hit it off from there, you know,
became good friends and figured out we should you know,
that there's something here between the people she knew and
the people that I want, the other people that I
wanted to talk to. I figured we had enough decent
stuff to you know, to go forward with. Oh, in
that that week vacation, I wouldn't call that a that
we did when we traveled the eastern half of the
United States. It was a rough week, but you know,
we got a lot done and met alone nice people
and got a lot of good information.
Speaker 3: What were some of the synchronicities that happened that were
just like like divine alignment that you got to see?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I bet your listeners are probably familiar with
like the eleven eleven phenomenon and experiencing that. So, you know,
after Mike and I came to know each other, there's
just like some fun tidbits. So my mom had always
told me if I was a boy, she was gonna
name me Michael, right, And then here's like now my
lifelong friend, my business partner. We're both born in the
same month, one week apart, same year. We both have
like these sparkling blue eyes. He almost seems like he's
like a brother from another lifetime. We lived eleven miles apart,
and every time we went into edit the film, we
would always be catching eleven eleven one eleven. We met
with a woman in our first film, The Path After Life,
and she was really big into numerology and she wanted
to find out what our numerology numbers were so I
guess I'm a life path nine. Mike is a life
path eleven. And then there's that eleven again that came up.
When we were traveling up and down the East Coast.
I had an old Nokia cell phone if anybody remembers this,
and you would have to like press two buttons to
unlock it, you know, in order to get into the phone.
And they were like hard buttons. It wasn't a smartphone
at the time. You had to like text if you
were texting, like you know, get the letters and the numbers,
you know, lined up their stuff. So we were on
our way to go film a nuclear physicist. He used
to work for NASA, Tom Campbell. He's the author of
My Big Toe. If your audience hasn't heard of him,
they want to go down a rabbit hole, they should
definitely look him up. Thomas Campbell and I had left
my Nokia cell phone in the car when we were
in North Carolina. Get into the car. We're on the
way to go meet Tom Campbell. I go to pick
up my phone to make a phone call, and there
were eleven ones just there on my phone. I'm like,
what the hell is going on here. So the number
eleven just came up a lot the synchronicities between Mike
and I, and that's kind of how we decided to
come up with the name Path eleven. We both felt
that we were on a spiritual path. We didn't know
where the path was going to take us, but the
number eleven was just so prominent. And then when we
were researching the eleven eleven phenomenon and feeling like that
was a sign for us, I keep going, you're connected,
you have the support of the universe. And then it
just happens all the time, like our GPS where you
have to arrive at a certain time one eleven eleven
eleven PM. You know, we're making stops, getting gas, going
out to eat, and somehow it always come back up.
So it's it's just one of those really cool signs
that happened and really prompted us to call our company
Path eleven Productions.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. What do you think it is? Like, I'd
like to hear people's take on what it is. You
hear a lot of different things, but it definitely a
similar strain of a guidance by a higher power or
the angelic even.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that every time you get the
eleven eleven, it's more just kind of the universe reflecting
back at you, saying, yeah, okay, you're on the right
path here. Just keep doing what you're doing. And and
then and there's been times, you know, between films, it's
like you get that dry spell where there's no synchronousity,
and then you know, you keep hitting the you know,
a wall or dead end, and uh, and then something
will change and you're back on track, and then all
of a sudden, the eleven eleven will pop back up again,
and uh, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's so weird, like it's kind of hard to explain,
but you know, when you're I guess what Abraham Hicks
would say, in the vortex or in the flow. You're
in the flow state and you live there, and you're
following the universe. You're following what we'll call God by
leaving these these breadcrumbs that the divine is leaving for you.
And just to let you know, like Hans and Gretel, listen,
you're on the right path. Keep following the breadcrumbs almost,
which is beautiful. But I've been, like you're saying, in
a place where all this magic is happening, there's new research,
and you're just like a kid in a candy store
and you're hearing you're like saying a phrase and right
when you say it, you pass a billboard that has
that phrase on it. We have this thing happen a lot.
Will We'll say something and immediately after, at the same time,
whatever's on TV. We'll like mimic each other, the same thing.
Me and my family. We just stop and look at
each other and just kind of acknowledge that moment. You know,
but you know when all that's happening like this magic,
but then you know when like something happens that knocks
you out of that flow state and you're just like
stagnant and that stuff isn't happening. Do you think that
that's just the result, because like, you know, being someone
who you know what I'm saying, like we're not led
by our emotions or you know, these and synchronicities, because
what happens when they stopped? Then what do we do?
Do we panic? Or we know that we need to
get back in that state where there's still happening, Like
like whenever, like you were in between films, was there
something that you did, did you do the first works
of what you did before, maybe more meditation, reading, watching
those films that kind of stirred you back up in
that awe and wonder that puts you back in that
flow state.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't know if you've ever experienced this,
because you're an artist as well, right, and you create
and it seems like you're bringing a lot of light
to the world. But we've had really interesting things happen
while we were making the film, and it almost felt
like some roadblocks, and we actually got some consult from
other healers because the first film, Mike ended up do
you remember this mic? You had like this this horrible
pain in his knee. We were just like getting ready
to be able to like launch the film and he
was in excruciating pain to the point where he didn't
know what was going on. There was no injury, nothing
had happened, but we had to stop production. And this
something similar to this happened in each single film, and
we had to consult some energy healers to like look
in and check in on the energy and be like,
do you have any idea, like what's going on? We
came out of that flow state, right, and it felt
like we might have been meeting something that was really
trying to stop the light that we were trying to
spread out into the world. And you know, some of
the people that had worked on Mike's knee and some
other things that happened in the second film, in the
third film said that, and I don't know if I
believe this or subscribe to it yet, I'm not sure,
but said that there were some darker forces that really
didn't want our films to get out there, and because
it was going to reach the masses, it was going
to change consciousness, it was going to bring you know,
more light to the world, and it was just kind
of like interesting to see that happen, you know, each time,
and you know interesting too, Like we did take a
couple of years in between each film. First film came
out when was it two thousand, I think, you know,
time two thousand and nine, and then the last film,
The Path Evolution, came out in twenty sixteen, so this
was like a long time. And the second film we
had something similar happened. We we scrapped it like four times, right, Mike, there.
Speaker 5: Was like, yeah, yeah, four times.
Speaker 4: Yeah. There was just something like we couldn't get into
the groove, couldn't get into the groove. And you know,
we contacted again, like people that we really trusted and
some of the people that we interviewed from the films
and said, hey, you know, you have the ability to
look in and see what's going on in the larger
consciousness system. Is there something blocking us from doing this?
Are we on the wrong path? Is it just not
the time? So that was kind of really interesting in
the whole creative process. And I think sometimes if you
come out of that flow state, sometimes it's just being
human right and getting really attached to the physical experience.
And sometimes if you're mute, moving, or you have just
earthly things that are happening to you, it can kind
of take you out of that creative space. But you know,
I think too, with people like you and the work
that we're doing in the world, you know, we're bringing
a lot of light and that there may be some
forces there that really are trying to keep that light
a little darker, you know, keep the world a little darker.
Speaker 3: You think that could be like like an outer manifestation
of some of your own inner blockages or don't feel
you know, like that that you're you know qualified, even
like when you shot the first one, you're like, no,
not me, here's my other other healer friends you should
talk to kind of thing, And maybe like some of
that stuff gets manifested by these roadblocks and blockages until
you like step over those own hurdles, within your own heart,
within your own mind, and when you say yes to it,
everything on the outside lines up because you've kind of
passed those tests to step up to the next level
kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say so. One of the things I'm
thinking about, Mike, that maybe you might even want to
tell the story that I think could have been why
that could have manifested in his knee too, is a
part of his you know, upbringing in the Catholic really
and still some family members that don't support the work
that he does. So and I think that was pretty
big for you, Mike, you know, to like really come
out and make these films.
Speaker 5: And oh yeah, yeah. When we put the first trailer
out for the first film, I had some family members
get sending me personal messages like, you know, the filmmaking
looks great, but yeah, we're not gonna watch it because
it doesn't we don't agree with what you're saying, and yeah,
and I think I think the problem that I had
in my knee, yeah, I remember it excruciating, and it
was kind of something that has been sneaking up on
me for probably about a year before and then like
the last month of production on the film. It was
almost paralyzing in a way.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: The pain was incredible. I couldn't sit down for too long.
I couldn't stand for too long. I couldn't I wasn't
sleeping at night. The pain was crazy. I had I
ended up. My wife took me to the er so
I can get initial set of X, and then he
told me get an MRI and I had actually manifested.
I'm saying I did. And I think the negative forces
that you brought up before, I think maybe are a
metaphor for a self manifestation of some sort of block.
And I had manifested some sort of tumor under my kneecap,
and so I was actually getting I was supposed to
be a week later, two weeks or so, I was
supposed to have a surgery to have that removed. And
it was the night maybe two I don't remember the
exact timeframe, but two nights before our film came out
April sent out an email blast to the healers and
our film and some other people as she know, and
Tom Campbell, who we brought up before, was one of them,
and he looked in on it and he was very vague,
but he said, oh, I'll see what I can do.
If it's meant to be, There's not much I can do,
but I'll see what I can do. So that next
morning I woke up. Actually I didn't really sleep a
whole lot, so I probably had maybe about fifteen minutes
to sleep for the whole night, and I'm just kind
of wandering around the house in agony, and all of
a sudden, my kneecap, my whole knee just radiated so
much heat it turned bright red and then it probably
I think that lasted for about two or three hours.
And then by the end of the day I had
no more pain, and it was a little sore just
from walking around, you know, for the next couple of days,
but I mean the actual pain was gone, and I
never had surgery. The pain has never come back. And
we never went back to Tom about or maybe he said, yeah,
I zapped you with something, and it could have been
him with a combination of you know, some of the
other healers, you know, just I'm just soaking it up
and at the time I was, you know, I still
am very open to healing. So I think that may
have helped and then to get there, I don't know,
I don't know if you want to call a permission
or whatever, but they're okay with everything. Probably allowed me
to put it away or whatever you want to call it,
and you know, remove the tumor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it sounds like it's you know, symbolic for
finally standing on your own two feet firm.
Speaker 5: That's perfect way putting up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Coming out from that religious programming and negative aspects of
the religion, you know, that's that's you know, that's the
majority of who we cater to here is people coming
out of religion and who are getting into you know,
deeper things, whether it's mysticism or philosophy or plant medicine
or becoming a healer using reiki. But they come from
that religious background and have that baggage that's telling them
be careful and there's demons out there that are gonna
get you, and it sticks with you no matter how
much that you break out, Like you still see your
grandparents or your pastor who scared the hell out of
you by watching some film about the occult or whatever.
It sticks with you. So doing that unprogramming can take years,
and a lot of us are still going through it,
like in like little bitty pieces of stuff that are
hanging on. But when you get free, man, you like
you know what I'm saying, you don't want to look back.
And there's a lot of people who get testimonies every
day from people who write me, and you know that's
who we cater to for sure, people who have that programming.
I had to come out of it so I can
teach you how to come out of it kind of thing, right,
so if I can show you the way out, because
I had to do it, and it was hell, It
was pretty hard. I was a minister. I was a
Christian minister and like a evangelist and traveled the churches
and preached and told my story and stuff like that.
And so when I got into UFOs and plant medicines
and stuff like that, and it started being open and
vocal about my beliefs that were evolving and changing like
that didn't go over well, you know, and had a
target on my back. So that's part of it. Can
you talk a little bit about something that has been
on my heart lately, just coming back up, But just
the power of film, like why you chose this route.
Obviously it has to be effective, especially if we see
like right now, I feel like for the most part,
it's being used for evil, malicious intent to push like fear, hysteria, panic, consume, consume, consume.
By this then you'll feel better those kind of things,
Like we understand that, like even trends. They can like
show you a new trend that's released through the television
or even your smartphone now which everybody has these screens
that are pulsating and flashing and flickering and almost seem
to hypnotize us. Right, So there's this power of film
for like the negative, which we've seen for the most part,
but we do get glimpses of the beautiful, inspiring movies
and myth and allegory and beautiful stories that inspire and
stuff when we use it for good. Have you done
any like any any research just like with the power
of film, and you know why it works because when
you go into like the invention of the television and
the catho ray tube, like they used to channel spirits
through the tube that was in the original television when
they'd shoot light through it and it would projecting image
on the other side, and they would try to communicate
with spirits that would move the particles. Which is some
really deep stuff, but I feel like if we use
it for good. Obviously a podcast, video, audio and the
stuff that you're doing has the power to influence. And
you guys have a network, have you done anything with
like like you know what I'm saying, looking into the
power behind media in and of itself.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, I mean this goes back to college and
my film studies. It's you know, we were shown, you know,
the Nazi propaganda films, which were very powerful images to
manipulate the whole population. We're seeing. Yeah, it's it's all.
It's it's film, especially narrative film. It's all about storytelling,
creating an emotion. And you can't sell something if you
don't have an emotion attached to it. So it's it's Yeah,
it's a combination. You you watch a TV show or
a movie and you get hooked to these characters and
they go in an adventure and you know, supposedly the hero,
the main character is supposed to be on a journey
and become, you know, a hero at the end, or
you know that that the traditional narrative. It's it's all
it's there is good in it, you know, like if
you look at regular Hollywood blockbusters, like one of my
favorites is the Matrix movie, where it's that it's a
metaphor for society to wake up and you know, depending
on whether you believe that, you know, the universe is
a simulation or not a computer simulation, it's still waking
up and seeing what's real, what's not real, what's what's
being what what is the story being manufactured to tell,
you know, the population, to control them to believe a
certain thing or not. And we see that with everything anymore,
you know, between commercials to news to you know, even
music videos these days, they're all it's it's hypnotizing to see,
you know, all these images the sound having a connection
to what's going on on the screen.
Speaker 3: Yes, powerful, you got something April.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. I think one of the things that
a lot of people have said when they've watched our
films was just how visually beautiful it was, you know,
It's interesting too because I don't have a film background,
but maybe I did in a past life, who knows.
And you know, when Mike and I came together, with
part of my intuition being very visual, you know, I
could just see the pictures, the b roll, the things
that we needed to put in, you know, while these
people were telling the stories, probably to you know, invoke
that that heart centered feeling when they're watching it, and
you know, and that carries over in all three films.
Just to let your listeners know, we have The Path Afterlife,
which really tells a lot of stories about people's personal experiences.
All of the healers and scientists that we studied their
experience with having had a love one crossover and the
communication that they had. We had a woman that was
struck by lightning and had a near death experience and
her whole story and what she saw was on there.
So like the first film is all about real true storytelling.
I mean, people are usually crying by the end of it.
It's pretty intense. The second one, people tend to love
The Path Beyond the Physical because it's all about aut
of body experiences. We went to the Monroe Institute. I
don't know if you're familiar with that center and spoke
to Skip Atwater, who was a part of the classified
Stargate mission with the training of the psychic spies, and
you know all of that, and people just love that
because that seems like it's a tool that wakes people
up to say, Wow, I am more than my physical
body and let me kind of like experience this, and
they're hearing the stories of Skip tells a really funny
story about when he was a kid, he would pee
his pants or pee the bed and it was because
his mom said to him, you just got to remember
to come back to your body and then go to
the bathroom, you know. And we've had so many people
come up to us after our screenings and be like,
oh my god, that would happen to me all the time,
where I would get that dream paralysis and I thought
there was something wrong with me, but maybe I really
was going out of body, you know. And I think,
like you said, using the power of film for good
and to help raise consciousness and bring people back into
their heart is really the type of filmmaking that that
we've done, and that's what we're trying to do bringing
that over to Path eleven. TV with our new network,
you know, is really doing a lot of kind of
short documentaries, interviews on camera and talking to people who
are doing magnificent work in the world of consciousness. So
that's our whole goal and hope.
Speaker 3: Now with the Path eleven network, do you all have
other filmmakers and different presenters coming on or is it
just y'all's content? What all do you have with that?
Speaker 5: About ninety nine percent of it is our stuff that
we've produced ourselves. There's a good portion of it which
comes from conferences that we've filmed, So, I mean, their
content is obviously the presenter's work, but we're filming it ourselves.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 5: We've worked with doctor Terry Daniel after Life Awareness Conference.
We've the last three conferences we we've put on there.
Actually the third one will come out in about a month,
but the last two are on there. And she's also
producing her own podcast. We have about three two to
three episodes that she's producing on her own and she's saying, hey,
you know, get this out, roars and we're like, for sure,
and it's basically submit questions about death dying. She's she's
been very big into theology and cultry after a life,
So you can submit a question of her and she'll
put it on the podcast, and the video portion of
her podcast comes onto our Path eleven TV, and we
we produce our own we April hosts a talk show
called Conversations on the Path and there's we just started
production on season two. There about fourteen episodes in season
one and they're all Season one's mainly about healing modalities
and apel. I don't know if you want to talk
more about that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tried to find like really interesting different healing
modalities that people probably have never heard of and actually
have the energy workers work on me. They kind of
explain it. Also with my mental health background too. Also
trying to get other people in the fee lending psychology
and spirituality together because I think that that is a
really nice blend. But I like to find people in
our community who are like, you know, grassroots, you know,
on the ground, helping people, the little little minions you know,
that are making such a huge impact in small, little
pockets all over the world. Yeah, that's another series that
we have on Pack eleve and TV that people seem
to really really like.
Speaker 3: Did you guys produce the twenty nineteen UFO conference as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we went down to Pine Bush, New York
and they have this huge UFO conference and they had
of speakers, probably the most famous person, Travis Smalton was
there and Tom Reid was also there, and uh yeah,
so we were there. There were a bunch of film
crews that were there actually filming this whole conference, and
so we brought our stuff down. We were invited down
to do that, and that was some wild stuff to
film and hear these. It was a long day, but
we were able to edit it and kind of get
it together in a nice little package from Pafalove and TV.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's a subject that's very near and dear
to my heart. One of my big ones I think
that kind of propelled my awakening was a study of
uthology back, like you said, early days of YouTube watching
you know, UFO footage and then finding people who were
trying to make contact with ships and stuff like that,
and that really just took took my crazy level and
everything was magical and out of this world. So definitely
have a close place in my heart for that. Do
y'all have any personal UFO alien stories?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen three UFOs. Actually two of them I
think were the same one, but about five six years apart.
It was mid nineteen eighties, upstate New York Chester Boomerang,
you could probably google it, and it was that V
shaped UFO. This is like I think nineteen eighty five,
maybe eighty six, and it was just me and my
dad were home and my dad was outside working in
the yard, and it was probably about eight o'clock at night,
maybe nine, and he came running in and we went
outside and there was like the you know, the lights.
We thought, oh, what is it. It was just hovering
there kind of over our house a little bit, and
you know, we didn't live far from a airport. We figured, oh,
maybe it was like a hot air balloon or a
bunch of gliders or something. But they just stayed there
with no noise for it's probably twenty thirty minutes, and
then all of a sudden it just started moved and
away with no noise, and it was no flashing lights,
nothing like that. It was just white lights all around
it in a V shape. And then I think it
was ninety two at this point, maybe ninety one, the
same craft came back and I was with my girlfriend
who she actually became married her a few years later.
But we were driving around town we grew up. I'm
in Kingston, New York for about two hours north of
the city, and you know, we're just driving around. I
think it was a Friday night, just going to different
restaurants or whatever. And we come out at one place
and we see I see the craft come back, same size,
no noise, barely moving, and this time at white light
that was kind of just like zigzagging around in front
of it somehow, and I thought, that's that's weird. It's
the same thing, but it's a little different now. And
so then it started to move away, and it actually
it flew more over the center of town, and so
we started, let's let's follow it. You know, we got
nothing to do. So we followed it and it's going
down the main strip of Kingston where all the shopping
centers are and everything, and all the car it was
like something out of like World of the World's cars
were just pulling off to the side. Everybody's getting out
of their cars and pointing, and I wish. Of course,
it is early nineties. There's no cell phones or cameras,
readularly available. So we just watched it and we followed
it probably for another half hour forty minutes or so.
We followed it out of town, and then we couldn't
keep up with it anymore. And then probably about three
four years later, I was in college and I went
to college in Poughkeepsie and it's about I don't know,
familiar with New York, but it's about forty minutes south
of Kingston, and I don't know. For some reason, I
didn't have a car. My car probably broke down or something.
And my wife picked me up from college and it
was afternoon, early evening, so sun's kind of setting, and
we're taking the back countryway home and you can kind
of see, you know, it was in the fall, so
you didn't have a lot of leaves on the trees
or anything, and I could see it was like a plane.
You kind of see it out of the corner of
your eye, like a plane kind of thing. And we're
kind of driving with it for a while, and then
probably about it's long enough where you suddenly realize that
that's not a plane, and it's been with us for
a while now, so we kind of pulled off, get
it into some sort of parking lot where it's kind
of open a little bit, and at the whatever it
was I was, it got a little closer and it
was kind of like this green pyramid thing and it
was making like a like a humming, like a woom
woom woom, very slow, very like drone like sound. It
was this floating green pyramid and it rotated ninety degrees,
so the green was mainly concentrated at the top point
at this at this time, and it stood there probably
it was probably like five seconds, but it felt like
thirty minutes where it was just hovering and then it
just took off. There was no way we could have
kept up with it. And yeah, I don't, I don't.
Those were my experiences with the UFOs. But it's it
was bright enough where you could see the outline of
this ship and it was a definite like triangle pyramid
type shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome, strange And how old would you when
this happened.
Speaker 5: The boomerang that happened earlier, I was probably about ten
to fifteen. The first one I was probably about eight nine.
That was probably about eight. Then I saw it again
when I was fifteen, and then the other one I
saw when I was about eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 3: What about you, April. That's awesome story.
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, I have yet to see a UFO,
but I work with aliens all the time in my
healing practice, so I've never seen a craft. I look
up at the sky every night when I bring my
dogs out, but my experience has been more with the
energy healing and the first I remember, Mike totally outed
me on a podcast when we were interviewing Teal Swan.
He's like, April, tell her about the blue beans. You
told me that. I'm like, I don't want to talk
about that. People are gonna think I'm crazy, right, So,
but yeah, I mean I call them the blue healers.
But after I've interviewed a couple of people on my
podcast too, where uh These these blue beings are cited
a lot with energy healers, and they look like the
color reminds me from the color blue from Avatar. It's
this beautiful, beautiful blue. They are much taller than me.
I'm about five three, so they might be six feet
or so, maybe a little bit shorter, not exactly sure
the hype, but they're smooth. They're very smooth. But when
they come in and help me. And now I elicted
it too because I've gotten some of my own healings.
I've been investigating this and asking other people and other
people that have given me readings, say, you know, they
want to work with you, but you have to give
more permission. You have to ask them to come in more.
So I've been really consciously doing that more. And they
really work on the physical body. They help me help
people in the physical body. Just heal last night on
a woman that was having some NAT issues and they
were in there just kind of working it. And you know,
I see them not from more of a knowing in
a sense, but it's some of the most beautiful energy
I've ever experienced when they come in. I was also
another interesting experience that I had. I was at a
sound healing gong bath. I don't know if I've ever
had a sound bath before with these gongs that resonate
to the energy of the planets, and it was my
first time. I had no idea what I was experiencing.
Everyone that had gone to one said, oh my god,
you have to go to one. So I go to one.
I have my eyes closed, and oh love it. There
you go and I didn't know that the Gongs had
the resonance of the planets. And I remember during this
Gong bath, I just felt like I was home, and
I felt like I was an outer space and I
was crying and it was amazing. But I actually saw
these really large white aliens. I mean I'm talking like
seven feet eight foot tall, and they were like facilit
illitating stuff at the Gong path. So I went up
to the teacher and I was like, can I share
something really strange that I saw? As anyone ever reported
like seeing white aliens? I guess that, you know, that
was what I and I there is some term. I
forget the names of them, but when I researched it,
there are like these very large white nomadic beings. Yeah,
And so that was an experience. And then I've traveled
with my consciousness to other solar systems, I guess she
could say, and you know, other planets like that. And
one really cool experience was with a woman who really
struggled with some self esteem issues and she was what
we would call very much an m path, right, she
just felt everything. Can't watch the news, I mean she
could cry for days over a really sad story and
she's also a woman that is very tall, very beautiful,
but really interesting physique and features. And she developed very
early on, like by second grade, I think she was
almost six feet tall and already had breasts and always
kind of felt out of place. And so with some
of the coaching from my other teachers and stuff with
using your intention, you can intend to go where you
need to go. So I just asked during this healing,
can you please show me where she is from? Because
I knew she wasn't from Earth. You know, where did
she come from? And I was brought to this beautiful
green planet and these really tall green they were green beings,
and their form of communication was all about peace and love.
There was no duality on this planet. It was just
pure peace and love. So it made a lot of
sense to me why she had a hard time being
here on Earth because of that duality. So here I
am on this planet, like checking out her planet, checking
out these beings, and they kind of like waddle themselves
over to me. And the being goes like this and
puts the hand up and then takes my hand and
this is how they say hello. So I'm like, oh, okay,
that was weird, you know, I'm just kind of getting
all these downloads and information. So after the healing session,
I had told her, you know what I had to
experienced and where maybe you know, she might be from.
And I said, and they did the coolest thing, said.
They came up to me and the way that they
say hello on their planet, on your planet is they
do this and they hold hands, and all of a sudden,
her eyes got really big. She was like, every morning
when I wake up, that's how my husband and I
say hello. We put our hands up to each other
and do this. I was like, are you kiddy me?
It was just so wild. So so that was kind
of interesting as a healer to be able to kind
of tried to get more information understanding where the soul
may have incarnated from and where some of the self
esteem issues were coming from. You know, what that planet
was all about. And really what I the download that
I had received was that she was really here to
bring that love and compassion from that planet and to
keep doing it even though it felt really hard to
be here. So those, I mean, I have endless stories
like that, but those are I guess three different types
of races that I have experienced in different types of
healing sessions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, when you talk about the blue
beings or whatever. I have a part of my book
where I talk about I call them fairies. But there
was these blue little orbs and they were probably three
inches long, but they were fluorescent blue. And me and
my daughter was outside and we actually made like a
fairy house a couple of weeks before, just in the backyard,
just made a little hole and just something for fun
when she was little, and we were in the backyard
stargazing and they came out from the top of the trees.
And we have lightning bugs and stuff, but these weren't
lightning bugs. They're small and yellow. These were like this
big and fluorescent blue, and they came out from the
top of the trees. And I told my daughter, I said,
that's the fairies. Let's ask them to come down, and
just jokingly and literally like a movie like Avatar, the fluorescent,
beautiful blue. They came down and swirled all around us
and then went back up into the trees disappeared, and
I'm like, what the world was this? I ran inside,
I told my wife and tried to google it. Blue
lightning bugs, blue beans, blue fairies. I couldn't find anything,
no videos, no stories, no nothing. But I wrote about
it in my book and I'd say, you know, it's
the blue fairies who were visited Bob. But it was
a magical experience. And so when you said the fluorescent blue,
it's like, okay, here's something like these blue beings were
so awesome.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I had a cool experience. I don't know
if I could actually show you from my cell phone,
but I was doing a virtual session the other day,
and I know what Mike would say, right, he would say, April,
it's just the light, just the light coming in through
the camera and the reflection, but that's like the color blue.
I was moving my camera and I was by a light,
but that color blue is like really similar to what
I experienced a lot. And I just was playing that.
I was moving my desk and the sun rays were
coming in, but that blue and it was thick, and
you know, I don't think it was them per se,
but I just thought like, wow, I can really resonate
with that color blue, and here it is showing up
shining through on my camera and stuff. So yeah, so
that was cool just the other day, December third.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. Like I've seen a lot of people.
I mean, that has to have something to do with it,
like with just different rays in the different levels of
light that you can manipulate and see different spectrums in
the light spectrums. And so I've seen one guy years
ago when I was just looking up all of the
UFO footage. He would take us his camcorder and he
would film the side of his house just where the
light like the sun was coming out just behind it,
so it was like his house and just a little
bit of the sun. And when he would do it
just right, like the light would hit it in a
certain way, and he would see all these little black
dots flying around like by the sun. And he was
convinced that by doing this he was able to pick
up some type of like spectrum and see these so
called UFO ships that were cloaked out there in the atmosphere.
Speaker 4: Oh wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to all of your studies and
research and experiences and things like that, especially with UFOs,
they good or they bad or they both. Like, what's
the stance you guys take on that field? Because you
got a bunch of abduction stories and stuff like that,
which mind you were. You know, they pretty much died
out in the nineties. We don't even hear that term anymore.
Everybody's an experiencer or a contact ee someone to say
like they was abducted and they took them on and
did all the experience. You don't even hear those stories anymore.
But your stance on are they good, are they bad?
Or in between and that kind of thing. What do
you guys feel about that?
Speaker 5: I would like to think that most of them are
for the good. But then when you hear like Travis
Walton story and even watched the movie, it's like frightening stuff.
Speaker 3: Well what did he say at the conference, because you
know his story has changed over the years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he kind of told what was different from
his experience to the movie. And there's some like little
details like something with the phone booth. I'm trying to
remember over a year ago now when he got off
Like in the movie he has like no clothes on,
but he actually had some clothes on or something. And
there's something I can't remember with something with the truck.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's like little details here and there that he brought up.
And then I showed my daughters into this stuff too,
So I, you know, I said, oh, I guess where
I met. And she's like, I said, Travis Walton and
she's like, who's that. And I was like, I guess
what we're watching tonight? So we watched Fire in the
Sky and that was you know, of course I watched it,
you know when it came out back in the nineties,
and then watching it again, it was like, this is
traumatic stuff that the junk and the ship and you know,
the stuff that they're doing to him and they got
him you know, suffocating or whatever. You know, it was
all this torture basically on the ship was.
Speaker 3: Well the big thing he says now that that stands
out to me, and uh, like I said, I haven't
listened to him recently, but he kind of like renigged
on the movie and said Hollywood just took it and
kind of and pretty much turned it into her like
a horror story. But where he's at now. He says
that they've seen this ship in the woods and he
goes up to it and tries to touch it, just
like in the movie, and he says that it powered
up and it knocked him back and almost killed him.
And his friends left and He said that if they
would have left him there, he would have died. So
they had to pick him up and like resuscitate him
and work on him so that he did and die
from the ship powering up and getting hit with the
plasma or whatever. So it seems like his story has
changed to be something a little bit more beautiful than
this malicious horror story that really scared the hell out
of me when I was a kid and I watched it,
I was scared to death of aliens because they were
like these monsters who were real and are coming for
you and if you see a light, you need to
run kind of thing. And and seeing that movie and
several others over the years when I was starting to
have my UFO experiences, like I didn't want nothing to do.
I was scared to death. They were gonna get me.
These were monsters or demons literally from the Christian perspective,
that we were summoning that we're going to come. So
that's the interesting thing about his story. Now he says
they picked him up because they needed to work on
him and hit them.
Speaker 5: I have to watch his talk again. It's available right
now on Path eleven TV. Yeah, it's he did do
a lot of debunking Hollywood or not debunking, correcting Hollywood
like that. The thing with when he gets blasted back
in the movie, I think he's just kind of like
trapped in the light. Yeah, and he goes now he goes, yeah,
I was not that that. Yeah, he did say something
like being knocked to the ground and it was like
a flash or something. And and the other thing too,
is Hollywood too, is that they're drawing it out for
dramatic effect, like Independence Day, okay movie, but it makes
aliens look bad, you know, it's it's all. It's all
for the you know, promote a story basically.
Speaker 6: It's otherwise you wouldn't watch it, right, But those movies
over the years that were beautiful, like Cocoon was a
beautiful alien movie.
Speaker 3: There encounters with close encounters. That's like up for debate,
but I think it was I think it was more
more good Flighter than Navigator.
Speaker 5: Was a beautiful Oh that's a classic.
Speaker 3: You know what about you, April?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I think about this a lot,
and I'm not sure. You know, I took an Angelic
Reiki training and there was a section there of the
star Star Seeds and the Onanaki race and and all
of that. And I haven't done enough really research or
probably sat in meditation to really know if I have
an opinion about it. My experience is that everything has
been very loving kind, you know, having a mental health
background and seeing you know, you kind of touched on
it in the beginning when we were kind of talking
about Mike's knee. A little theory that I'm coming up
with is, I don't know if sometimes some of the
paranormal or things that people are perceiving to be evil
or you know, demonic, if it's really negative like a
negative entity type, or is it a collective of just
lower vibration thought forms, Because you know, I have experience
with some people who are experiencing paranormal stuff. There's also
a correlation with some depression and trauma and PTSD and anxiety.
So I'm still on the fence, you know. I mean,
I have never experienced anything scary in you know, over
I've been doing healing work now for over twenty years.
I've never I have experienced other entities that could be attached,
but they were never It was kind of like a
curiosity of an energy that was near another human being,
but they just kind of needed to go back to
where they came from. But it wasn't with ill will
like we sometimes hear about like possessions and stuff like
that in the Catholic religion. So my personal experience, and
maybe it could be that I want to carry the
belief system of more love and light rather than darker forces.
And I think our consciousness can create a reality. So
I don't know if I really subscribe to the to
the darker side. I'm open to it. And I listen
to what people say about these different alien races and
how there's this battle of light and dark and careful
of the Onanaki and they have these things, and you know,
some people think President Trump is one of them or something,
and we're just like, I don't know. Sometimes it gets
so far out there that I just come back and
I'm like, all right, this is too much. I gotta
just come back to earth for a second. So I
don't know, I'm still on the fence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, when I started out on
my spiritual journey, it started out with the dark stuff,
like getting into the occult at an early age, even
like having a sleep paralysis experience at like four years
old waking up being pinned to the bed with these
some kind of creatures, dark shadows laying on each side
of me. And those experiences, like you know, intrigued me
as growing up as a teenager and watching scary movies
and you know, paranormal you know, psychological thrillers and that
kind of stuff and really open up the door for that.
And I got into the occult at an early age
and started trying to make packs with demons, and I
was trained by like a warlock as a teenager and
ended up biting off more than I can chew, and
ended up in your neighborhood as far as you know,
you know, going through some mental stuff. I was going
schizophrenic and had voices speaking to me and they would
pull me in and out of portals at will, and
it was very scary. They were speaking to me in
foreign languages. Had no idea what they were saying. I'd
be in mid conversation with my girlfriend at the time
and I would just be sucked in a trance and
I couldn't talk, I couldn't move, and I got real
pale and real cold and gas for breath, and I'd
come back like what the hell, I couldn't make it stop,
and so like it was real scary for me, and
it was real dark, and it was I think adjacent
to a lot of the stuff that I was doing
in my life. Like I was doing a lot of
drugs and I was in gang activity. I would steal
from people, rob people, just crazy stuff as a misguided team.
And I think that I got to see the beings
that were around me again with the type of lifestyle
that I was living, that you know, this lower level,
dense stuff, you attract that kind of energy, the lower
level stuff, and we know that there's the angelic or
at the higher levels and the really base stuff. Anything heavy, dark,
low level, easily accessible kind of stuff hangs around that
kind of activity and those kind of people. So that's
when I got into the church. That's when I went
changed my life and went back into the church. I
knew I was going to have to go. And you know,
if I told a doctor what was going on being
pulled into trances and portals and stuff, They're gonna put
me on.
Speaker 4: Medicine, medicine psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 3: So at the time, you know, even for years after that,
you know, that was just so scary and I didn't
want to be reminded or be around any of that stuff.
And thank God that they're far away from me now.
But at this point, like you know, my relationship has
even changed with those ideas and who I was and
that energy, and I'm so thankful that they were like teachers,
even they taught me a hard lesson, you know. And
you know, just like in school, you got those teachers
that you don't like or they show you tough love
even you know, but they're here to show you a lesson.
And so even the word angel, we know that that
just means a messenger. And so I feel like the
lower level demonic we would call it, just because it's darker, harsher,
they're still messengers. They carry a message with them and
we have to learn from those messages. And for me,
it was like, if you continue on this path, and
you continue ripping people off and lying, cheating and stealing,
then you got to come, you know, spend some time
with us, and we're going to be here for you.
But as you as sin and you do the more
beautiful things in life and help people and do alms
and meditation and prayer and taking care of your body,
then you access what we'll call the angelic, the higher
levels that we have access to. So now when I
do tap in through you know, meditation, breathwork, all of
that stuff, it's been nothing but beautiful experiences on this
side it. So that's my story and my contrast of
like light in dark with all of this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that also that brings me to you know, my
mom really struggled with addiction and for a while there
she got addicted to heroin and she went missing and
we couldn't find her. So I didn't know at the
time that I was doing. I was going out of
body and remote viewing. This was probably before Mike and
I got together, actually, or right before, and I was
just trying to find her in my consciousness, like trying
to tap into her energy. Was She's still alive. And
I remember traveling and I've never seen such darkness. I
mean it scared me, and I went to one of
my healers and exactly what you were saying. I think
I was seeing the lower dense form of what that
world looked like with addiction and drugs and especially heroin.
And I remember saying, and I still say to people
this day, that the only time I really feel like
I saw evil was when I went into the energetic
of Heroin and that that world that my mom was
living in, you know, and I remember one of my healers,
she said, don't go there, stop going there. I'm like,
I'm trying to find her. I'm trying to pull her back,
you know. But it was intense. So as you were
telling that story, you just reminded me of a time
when I kind of entered a realm that was totally different,
very dark too, But you're right as a teacher, and
I learned something from that, you know, travel that was interesting.
So sorry, Mike, didn't want to interrupt you.
Speaker 5: It's just gonna end. It's similar and to circle back
kind of to what we were talking about at the
beginning of the show was you know the eleven eleven.
I think when you are exposed as like the eleven
eleven for example, it's like you're tapped into that frequency
and you know, the earth that we're on, you know,
we we experience a range of frequency from the lows
to the highs, and you know, there's different things that
you experienced, many different levels within that. So you know,
when you just between the you know, the friends that
you keep and you know, the people that you deal with,
you know, they can bring you down to that low
frequency or they can raise you up. And you know.
It's it's similar to I've had an experience. I meant
to bring it up earlier. It's similar to eleven eleven,
where you hear a word that you don't normally hear,
like this just happened a couple of days ago. I
was listening to another podcast or radio show and they
said a word that I don't think I've heard since
fifteen years ago. I of course, now I can't remember
what it was, and it's the first time I've heard
in fifteen years. And then I've heard it five six
times that the rest of the day. It's like where,
you know, where did this? And it wasn't something like
a trend that's like, you know, iPhone or you know
or PlayStation five or whatever the hot thing is this year.
You know, It's like it was something that it was
like a vocabulary word. I wish I could remember it
because if I told it to you now, you'd probably
hear it like five more times for the rest of
the week.
Speaker 3: And I'm just gonna throw this out there. I know
this isn't it, But I had an experience just like that.
It wasn't a month of Sundays. Was it longer than
a month of Sundays? Man that I had a similar
experience with that phrase that I've never heard. I've never
heard that until like it was like twenty twelve. And
then listen to a podcast and I'm listening to a
teacher and I'm like three or four people the same
day are using this phrase that I never even heard,
And now that whole day, everyone's using that phrase. And
then it's gone, like that kind of thing that happens,
hold on something. It's like day jafol. It's almost like
you're talking about the matrix where there's a glitch in
the matrix when the cat keeps walking by like a glitch,
like hold on something. We're noticing something is up. Somebody's
trying to get our attention, somebody's trying to tell us something.
Let's look a little bit deeper kind of.
Speaker 5: Thing, right, Yeah, So yeah, it's that phrase, and it's
you know, think of any phrase you know saying that
you you know, your mom used to say to you
or something, and it's like you haven't heard it since then,
and all of a sudden, you hear it. You hear
it on a podcast, and you see it in a movie,
and you know, you know, another relative of calling in
and say the same phrase, and I haven't heard this
in like fifteen twenty years. Why Why is everybody unrelated
talking about the same thing. And then it'll move on
and it'll be something else next week, you know. Yep,
it's just interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the synchronicities, they are beautiful and so many stories
and a weird thing about it. You got I think
you gotta be careful, a little bit not careful, but
you know when you share them, like it doesn't mean
something to everybody, Like it's one of those things where
like you had to be there, like you had to
be there to experience it, but you you were there
and you experienced it, and it meant something to you.
It was a glitch for you. I remember, I remember
when time, because when this stuff was fresh, like this
stuff was amazing, you know, and it still happens and
it's still amazing, but right when it was fresh, it
was so good. Like I remember being at work and
being really exhausted, like early in the morning at work,
and we had a water cooler fountain, and I was
gonna go get a sip of water. But I knew
that the water was murky, like it had like I
don't know, it was like chemicals in the water. But
I was so thirsty. I was about to drink it,
and and there was a song on the on the
radio that was playing, and I went to drink it,
and the song came on and said, don't drink the water.
It was singing it, don't drink the water. I was like,
oh God, I'm not gonna drink this. Okay, God, you know,
I'm not gonna have a step. But you know, something
I can't think. I don't know if it was fuel
or somebody it was. It was an alternative song. But
and I've got so many, but some of them are
like little things like that, but some of them are big,
you know, like what you got are doing? Another one,
there was this guy he was he was contemplating about
giving me a call to get up with me. He
was listening to my podcast, listening to my music. But
he was involved in church and he knew that if
he shared my articles, if he shared my podcast, he
would they would pull him aside at church and say, hey,
stay away from this guy. Don't you know this guy's
in the occult or whatever they would say. And so
he was having second thoughts about calling me. He had
my number, all of that, and so he was he's
two states away, UH in Louisiana. I'm in Alabama. So
he's where I used to live. And he's sitting in
traffic at UH at a red light in Louisiana, and
he's on his phone. He's thinking about calling me. He's
got my profile pulled up and he's sitting there. He's like,
should I call him or not? And then he looks
up and there's a bumper sticker. It's one of my
bumper stickers on a car in front of him that
says seek Truth truthseeker dot com. So he's got his phone,
he's like, should I call him? And he looks up
and there's a van with my bumper sticker, like two
states away. He's like, okay, lord, I'll call him. And
so he ended up calling me, and then we got
to connect and I got to go over to his
house and meet with him and his family. And it
was a beautiful experience where you see like the synchronicities
come together to open up a door of beautiful opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Actually this is a side too of another thing
that we do. We have another podcast called mind Bender's
Podcast just for those stories. And it was actually inspired
by my dad. My dad's a huge Jimmy Hendricks fan,
and without giving it away too much, he basically there
was a day where Jimmy Hendrick's granddaughter showed up at
my dad's house. And the synchronicity of the story is
just like wild and crazy. And I said, Dad, would
you mind like coming on a podcast? And I think
I wanted to be totally separate from pafal even podcasts,
because this story is just so mind it literally mind bending.
That's why we came up with mind Vendors. But stories
like that, they are just so inspiring and make people think.
You know, it's like you could hear some outrageous stories
like that to say, come on, was that? What was that?
Is that just a coincidence?
Speaker 3: I got more? That ain't nothing. That's nothing compared to
the other stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, yeah, it means something to you though,
Like it's it's close to your heart and it lets
you know that, hey, something else is going on, you know,
exactly exactly yeah, I love those stories.
Speaker 3: So where do we go from here? Was anything that
we didn't mention that you guys want to talk about
any experiences with the afterlife or ghost or like this
is the this is the place to get it out man.
That the audience loves those experiences, those stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gosh, I don't know. It's kind of hard being
put on the spot, you know, Like I know I
have a ton, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: Sure it was one. There was this one experience I had, like, yeah,
what about ghost? I mean, we talk about the afterlife
and so it's always been a touchy subject. I mean
I interview people who you know, have journeys there and
come back near death experiences. I have my own beliefs
and then they get wrestled against other people's experiences. And
even though like I am pretty steadfast in my belief
I still have doubts of like of this idea of
I'm trying to explain what happens in the afterlife because
I'm so scared of going into non existence. There's a
bunch of stuff. And the more I talk about it,
you feel like the more reassurance you get. But the
more questions I have about death and the after life,
but the paranormal and the occult and all of this stuff.
It gives credence to and after life that we don't
just disappear when we die, like there is something that
carries over. We may not be able to put our
fingers exactly on it, but we have ideas and we
have stories that people have come back with. And even
though the echoes from the other side, people seeing stuff,
and that's one of the big things for me, when
you see a ghost or you have that synchronicity, like
hold on, I can't make this up. Whether it's consciousness
that continues to live on and we all become one
so much so, and when we just like to explore
different people's experiences and beliefs and stuff. But for you guys,
with all of your research and experiences and interactions as well,
what do you think happens when we cross over to
the other side?
Speaker 5: April? Do you want to start?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't sure who wanted to go first. Well,
I definitely believe that consciousness continues, you know, I don't
think that there is a death And sometimes that's scary
too to think about this, like it never ends. Can
I just get a break? You know, I have had experiences.
When I was younger, My grandmother's house always felt very haunted.
It was a very old house, and everyone in the
family always felt in certain rooms it just felt scary
to be there. The energy was strange. You'd always feel
like there was somebody walking behind you. I had some
always strange experiences when I'm sleeping. I have a lot
of bedside visits where I had to actually communicate with
spirits or ghosts to like stop bothering me when I
was sleeping, and they would like wake me up. But
the one that was most vivid was in a hotel room.
I woke up and there was a man with really
almost kind of curly hair like yours. It was dark,
but he was wearing a top hat and had like
it might have been you, yeah really And I don't
think he had glasses though, but really like curly cues
coming down. And I woke up and he was like
in my face so close. I woke up screaming and
he was just like contorting his head and looking at
me like what are you doing here? And with my screams,
his face just started to, you know, kind of dissolve away.
That was kind of maybe the most vivid experience of
seeing a ghost before. I think sometimes what I feel
is more of the energy of something that might be
in a home or a house. And again there's like
other work that I've done with I guess what you
would call an earth bound spirit, some people who might
have either have taken their life or were stuck on
a certain plane of reality that needed some help in
transitioning over. So I've had those experiences, but nothing like
too scary or shattering, like you know, this ghost was
walking like you hear apparition stories. I've never experienced that,
but maybe Mike has.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad grew up in a haunted house and
he had He's one of six kids, really Catholic, religious family.
My grandmother didn't believe any of it, even though there
was like doors were like flying open and things were
falling off shelves. They had a party once, you know,
family friends came over. This is like mid six nineteen sixties,
and this is around the time when my father and
my uncle, his older brother, were starting to date. So
like my mother eventually become my mother was there with them,
and my aunt, who I knew later on would was
there dating my uncle's and so they're at this party
and my one aunt disappeared for a while. She wasn't
really familiar you know, this was like their fourth or
the date, so she wasn't really too familiar with the family.
But she went off and she was talking with somebody,
and everybody who described them only they never saw his face,
but they saw except my aunt who was talking to him.
So but everybody who she was talking to saw that
she was talking to somebody. They just saw like the
back or they couldn't only see like his shoulder or anything.
And they went off into another room where we're talking.
It was a little while later she came out and
my uncle went up to her and said, oh, who
were you talking to? We didn't know you, you know,
thinking maybe she brought a friend, you know, or brother
or something. Actually she didn't have a brother, but you know,
who did she bring, you know, this other guy? And
she's like, oh, no, I was talking to your uncle John.
And my uncle's like, I don't have an uncle John.
And they're like, yeah, I was just talking to him
for like forty five minutes. What do you mean you
don't have an uncle John. And of course my uncle's like,
you know, he goes to my grandmother and he goes, Mom,
do we have an uncle John? And don't look at John.
And so they brought out you know, of course, my
grandparents were big in the photos. They had a big
photo album they went back like fifty years and photos
or whatever it was, and they're going through and she
pointed them out like instantly. She's like, oh, that's the guy.
And he's like, that's my grandfather. He died like ten
years ago. And everybody was like, no way and had
to shortly. I don't of course, I wasn't there when
this happened. But a few minutes later or so, as
my dad recalls it, my two other younger uncles ran in.
They were playing football, you know, catch or something outside
and the ball went across the street and my uncle
went to get the ball and it rolled up to
the feet of my great grandfather, their grandfather at the time,
and of course they, you know, they ran inside dreaming,
Likerandpa's outside, he's dead. And I even I talked to
my one uncle about it. I talked to my dad.
I'd heard it like a dozen times from my dad,
and then I'd heard it from my uncle. And he goes, oh, yeah,
he goes the other uncle who ran to get the ball,
saw his face. My other uncle could only see like
his like from the waist down and could smell his cigars.
Yeah and uh because he had a distingar and yeah,
he had died. Yeah, I don't know, a few years
before all this happened. So and then so later, a
few years later, my father's family moves out of that house,
and my one uncle, who was my other I have
a lot of family, and the other uncle became a
cop for the city of Kingston and he became friends
with another guy in the city of Kingston, who I
I who's friends of our family. And turns out they
moved into the same house like twenty years. Of course,
my uncle and my father, you know, every time, you know,
growing up, they would go into the house and he
would say, hey, uncle Fred, yell into the goat. So
my uncle, who's the cop. I'm trying to keep this
as simple as possible. Uncle was the cop went to
his fellow cops house the same house or having a
housewarming party or barbecue or something. He walks into the
house and he goes, oh, I have like twenty five
years or whatever. It was, and of course my uncle said, hey,
Uncle Fred, just to be funny about it, and the
friend was like, what are you talk about. It's not
Uncle Fred, it's Uncle Charlie. He keeps us up all night.
He's slamming doors, knocking things off the shelf. So like
it's like they have this another house being haunted for
all these decades, between two different families not talking about
it being haunted, and one of which cop which one
of the police officers, was looked into the records of
the house and it turns out around the time the
house was built, I think in the late eighteenth it
was two sisters lived there and there was some sort
of brutal murder went on and it was in the
police records and it's been haunted ever since.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's some crazy stories, have y'all seen, like the
haunting of Hillhouse or haunting of Black Manner like that
for some wild mind bends when it comes to the
afterlife and ghosts and apparitions and recordings and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, my daughter's totally into that.
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 5: She got me hooked on those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good, you know it. You know, it makes
me some interesting conversations man for me when I was
watching it and then I would I would watch it
and then the next day I'm talking to people about,
you know, on the podcast, and it's like, I feel
like it messed with me a lot, you know. It
was a lot of death and a lot of sorrow
and a lot of like instant death and this idea
with death and one of the fears. But it's probably
ninety percent the way we go is we don't get
to say goodbye. It's like, hey, I'm going to McDonald's,
I'm going to good dinner. I'll be back in a minute,
and you never come back like these weird you know.
So just for me, death also in a study of
the paranormal in after Life, it makes me be more
present while I'm an appreciation of life, of how short
this experience is and to be present and to be
in the moment. And then we look into books on
consciousness and Eckhart totally about being in the now and
staying here and even fighting for it, fighting to be
president conversation fighting to be president in a podcast like this,
and so because it's it's fleeting, a few minutes, you
guys will be gone and onto the next thing, but
just to be you know, great for every moment and
every experience that we have. And so for me, the
study of the after life and all of that brings
that mindfulness to the table. So I think that's why,
you know, spirituality goes hand in hand with studying the
after life and consciousness and things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And that's that's really what
you know, our new networks about Path leven T. We
kind of feel like, you know, we're we're seekers just
like everybody else, and we have the equipment, we're going out,
we're filming stuff, and we're library for you you know,
and we're you know, basically interviewing and reaching things that
we're curious about. But we are also trying to build
a community similar to like what you're doing, you know,
with your Patreon page too, and you know, we're very
interactive with people who come from the podcast or through
our website or you know, who have already subscribed to
the Path eleven TV because we launched it on November eleventh,
of course, eleven eleven. And that's really our goal too,
is to help people who are on this path and
maybe they're just beginning, and we have some footage there
on Path leven TV that's going to help them a lot.
And I think because you know, with Mike's initial depression
that he had gone through with experiencing so much loss
in the beginning, we do haven't about life after death,
and I think it's important because how could you be
here and not questions? So I would say that we
have a lot of stuff on Path Leve and TV
that can really help people who are grieving, especially all
the footage from the afterlife. I mean, there are some
stellar presenters there who are just real experts in the
field of and it covers all so many different topics.
That's what I love about Terry Dandy organize that conference.
I mean of all different ethnicities in different ways that
cultures look at death. And she has Shamans there that
we're doing circles and Grimoni's at the end and stuff
like that. So it's really beautiful. But I would say,
you know, we have a lot of content there to
help people maybe answer some of their questions about what happened.
I on Path Leve and TV awesome.
Speaker 3: And you guys have a promo for our listeners, right, yes.
Speaker 4: We do. We do. So we have a promo It
is Launch forty l A U, n C H forty
and that will take off their annual subscription subscription, which
we'll bring it down to fifty nine to ninety nine.
The price is going to go back up probably the
first but you know, gonna last forever. Maybe we'll keep
that Launch forty just for with seeker listeners. And then
we also have the option for people to subscribe monthly.
It's like a true commitment that they have a commitment
phobia or something like that and they just want to
check it out month to month. Mike has a code
to give you, guys for the monthly subscription.
Speaker 3: You also have a free trial as well.
Speaker 5: Right oh yeah, yeah, yeah, everything is a free trial
seven days. Yeah, watch as much as you want. We
also have our podcast we do since the lockdown of
you know, with the COVID thing, we've been doing a video.
We've been recording video. We'le talking with our guests, so
we have all those video actually have on the TV side.
We have the latest eleven for free. You don't even
need a membership for that. But after Life twenty five,
if you want to do a month to month you
get twenty five percent off your first three months. I
think it's like seven seven fifty or something a month,
which is like Starbucks coffee or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I
encourage you know, anybody to try it out for seven days.
You don't like it, it's fine. We're constantly adding more stuff.
We have a new show coming out, Terry Daniels show,
which we mentioned earlier as Doctor Death is coming out
next at least the first three episodes or so. And
then we have the twenty twenty Afterlife conference, which we
filmed back in June. We had to do that virtually
with you know, the COVID thing. That'll yeah in early January.
It's about probably about twenty hours of virtual presentations, you know, amazing.
And then of course we have more season two of
Conversations coming out next year. Oh Robbins. We have a
it's like an hour and a half just sit down
to talk with Peter Robbins. That'll probably come out in
January also, people, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I like. I'll be there. I like all
of it, you know, I'm into all of it. But yeah, everybody,
make sure you check it out. Go to patheleven tv
dot com again, use pro launch for to get forty
off of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, forty for the full year. That'll probably be the
cheapest it'll ever be. Yeah, and then after life twenty
five for the monthly.
Speaker 5: All right, And I just want to add our our apps.
If you have an iPhone that's already the iPhone apps
already out, the Apple TV, if you have an Apple TV,
you can watch all this in your living room. That
I know, Android and I think Android TV are coming
out this week and Amazon's next week something like that.
You submit all these doors and you got to wait
for them to approve it. So Rokuk's coming out at
some point too before January. So good, So you can
watch all this in your living room.
Speaker 3: Now, what for like your own websites? Like you said
that Mike is available for hire in April. You do
energy healing and stuff like that, and now what about
for that if people want to connect with you guys
on that level.
Speaker 4: Sure. My website is Hannah'shealing dot com. So it's my
last name AHS Healing dot com and that's where people
can find me and they can book sessions. I do
do virtual sessions as.
Speaker 5: Well, and mine is nic Productions dot Com. I don't
know if your listeners are more into my stuff because
I just companies hiring me to do you know, video
for websites or social media, so it's not.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of podcasters and everybody want to started
in video and all that stuff. So it's perfect time
for for you know what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and Mike does all of our podcasts Pathlevenpodcasts
dot com. Derek, we're gonna have to have you on.
I want to read your book and the things that
I do, I read probably three books a week, and uh,
you know, interview people over on Path eleven podcasts, So
I would love to get you on there as well.
Speaker 3: For sure. I got ling I'd love to come on.
Speaker 4: Okay, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks so much for hanging out with me.
Really appreciate it. We have to do it again when
y'all got something new come out or you know, want
to cross promote land. I'm gonna sign up for your
site as well. Thanks so much for everything that you
guys got going on.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for all the work you're doing. It
was a real pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for sure, many blessings. Guys. We'll do it again.
Speaker 4: You too. All right by.
Speaker 3: April and Mike from Path eleven tv dot com. Make
sure you guys go check it out. They work really
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it out. Good stuff, man, really really good conversation. We
covered a lot and uh we took covered ghosts, aliens,
the afterlife, you know, channeling, remote viewing, flying off the
planet and with your consciousness and visiting foreign realms. We
covered it all and I love it. I love it.
Just like they were talking about how like in a presentation,
it takes you on a journey, and so hopefully that's
what you get from this podcast as well, So it's
not just catering to one thing. You're introduced to new
it as well as you hear somebody talk about their
experiences with the afterlife, or their experience just with a
UFO ship or meditating and talking to beings that come
to assist in the evolutionary healing of the planet, all
of that stuff. So that's what this show is about,
you know too. And I was, you know, and I'm
sure they do it the same way. It's just like
being creating what you needed when you were going through
your awakening, Like what content did I need? What podcast
episodes did not just I want to listen to? But
did I need to listen to? On this road of
awakening which can seem lonely and scary at times, and
even with you know, you know, Mike talking about coming
out with his his his films and stuff, and his
parents are like, yeah, it's good quality, but we're not
going to watch it. We're going to pass. Like that
could be heartbreaking, you know. So to have community and
have people who have your back, who know what you're
talking about, who aren't going to write you off as
crazy listen, just showing up and letting people know that
you're not alone. It goes so far these days for sure.
So with this podcast, what I'm doing, what April and
Mike could bring it to the table, same thing, be
that version of yourself that you needed when you were younger.
That's all of this, and with doing that, you know,
we're gonna heal the planet, We're gonna help people, you know,
and that goes a long way. Shout out. Look, April,
the little April's already become a patron. Thank you April
so much for becoming a patron. He's a five dollar
patron now, thank you so much for that. And we
had some other people earlier. I'll give you a shout
out on the next episode who became patrons during this episode.
And so make sure you guys check out their work. Man.
They you know, everybody who is is for love and light,
you know, and so and you know, we I think
we a lot of people try to I hear this
a lot with like little sny remarks and about how
you know, light workers only focus on love and light
and they don't want to talk about the darkness and
the heavy side which exists, and uh, and they try
to turn a blind eye to it. But I think
it's because we know that the dark side is real,
that we know that there exists, like the lower level path,
the left hand path, the path, the path of service
to self versus service to others, a self serving path
which usually is the path of the deception, the path
of the dark side, which leads to destruction. It is
the wide path, and so we understand that that's there,
so we want to focus on the beauty and the
love and the light because that's how you get out
and off of the path of darkness. And so that's
why we talk about this stuff. That's why we bring
hope and healing to people, whether it's through one on
one sessions or it's through television and content and podcast
and music and all of that stuff that we're bringing
to the table. Every move is a calculated step. So
there's a reason why we are about love and light
and we want to talk about the stuff, and we
want to encourage you and have you to ask the
bigger questions and build are in wonder in your imagination
and creativity for you to do the same, because it's
all real. Like April was saying, all paths are true,
and you create it as you think it. The Bible says,
as a man thinketh in his heart, So Isy, whatever
you can fathom and conjure up in your own thinking,
and it will lead you down that path. Whether that's
of fairies and unicorns and aliens and angels and all
of that, beings of love and light, they exist, and
there's a level and the frequency that all exists on,
and there's a path that you begin to walk down
as you begin to entertain your eye gates and your
ear gates and you open up to receive that information.
The same is true for the darkness. And I was
wanting to point out, just as there is a love
and light side of frequencies and synchronicities and all of
those things, right, the beautiful synchronicities and things that are awesome, listen,
that stuff exists on the dark side too. The paranormal
and synchronicities are real for people who were into the
dark arts, who were into hardcore drug use and pil
addiction and lying and cheating and stealing, and then like,
they have a lot of weird paranormal synchronistic stuff too,
but for the most part it is weird demonic stuff.
It is like it's not cool. I can just tell
you one little thing. I remember this. One guy was
a tattoo artist and he was like neo Nazi, and
but they were into like using heroin and contacting the
devil and all types of crazy stuff. When I was younger,
he was a lot older than me, but he had
this paper that he held on him and so he
had finished tattooing somebody and he had like the blood
and the and the ink was still on the on
the needle, and he wiped it off in a paper
napkin and threw it down and he picks it back
up and it then the ink is in the shape
like this the face of Satan, the Saint Tanic skull,
and he keeps it on im. And it's this little
weird triggers that like as you're entertaining and you're looking
for the darkness, like that stuff reveals itself to you.
And there's so much more when it comes to that
and just weird experiences, but it's usually negative. It's not fun,
it's not beautiful. It is real. So get on that
higher path, that higher frequency the love and the light
helping people, and you find out that service to others
is indeed service to self. As you're helping others reaching
out to others, you are helping yourself. We always talk
about with energy healing and prayer and meditation and getting
in that flow and allowing that beautiful holy Spirit, God's
energy to come to you and through you. As you're
into healing whatever you're doing, it's healing you as it
passes through. So as you are healing others, you are indeed,
healing yourself. For everyone is a mirror in a reflection
of who you really are. Everyone is an extension of you.
So with that in mind, make sure to bless somebody.
Greet them with the no mistake, Let them know that
the light within you acknowledges the light that is within them.
Love you, guys. I'm gonna say peace and shallom. Shout
out to everybody in the chat. Shout out everybody hanging
out with us here. I've been watching the chat here.
Shout out to cal So you jumping in, Kyle, Melcass,
Shout out to you, Chauncey, Corey Mitchell, Ali, Stephanie, deb
Casey Clint like all of you, guys, I see you Gothic.
Thank you guys for lett me know as well. At
the beginning about the audio mess ups. You know, I'm
trying to handle all this myself, and some little things
here and there kind of get off and that's what
the chat's for.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I pay attention to the chat, and Kyle says, I'm
digging the new setup. This ain't the new setup. This
is just this is the old setup, just with no posters.
For sure. I got rid of all my posters. But
we're getting ready for a move and so there will
be a new setup very soon, very soon. It's going
to be different, and I'm super excited for the new
season and stepping into this. So yeah, send us good energy,
send us love and light. We're getting ready for a
transition and move into a new studio and move into
a new home as well, so send us love and light.
We need it. It's a crazy process of buying a home,
trust me, especially being independent and being an entrepreneur and
having different forms of income, different streams of income and
not receiving a paycheck from a job consistently, so that's
kind of weird too, So send us love and light.
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I released two new songs this week. I'm working on
two more right now, literally three more. For some reason,
like I haven't been inspired. Music has been something that's
been hard lately. But I've got this this burst of
energy right now and creativity and trying something different and
have some really cool songs that have been coming to me,
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But sign up you get access to all that stuff.
Thursday Night, School of the Mystics a bunch of cool
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sure y'all check out their website patheleventv dot com. Love
you guys, we'll do it again very soon. Piece, Piece
so much, so much, so much. Well that does it
for this episode. Folks.
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