Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
Speaker 1: s e O and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling,
Speaker 2: I never seen anything.
Speaker 3: And it's the laps fan name by the one in
Speaker 3: the ring.
Speaker 2: Forget about Slado. He the real king of swing. When
Speaker 2: the bell goes in and the kick like me throwing
Speaker 2: in the corner. But it's lash like stick. Even Jerry
Speaker 2: King can sake off the crowd. Nodded in his head
Speaker 2: like it. Steve low Brown, would you get low down?
Speaker 4: Go even high up?
Speaker 2: Flipp you on your head?
Speaker 5: But you know cool driver, you speak more now and
Speaker 5: dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head
Speaker 5: treats higher drop a more truth than the con of
Speaker 5: sniper unless you would a coconut.
Speaker 2: Roddy Piper, Jack a JP.
Speaker 5: He like j y d drop the cupcakes and gold
Speaker 5: the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the
Speaker 5: close cloud.
Speaker 2: If you are a classic a.
Speaker 6: Pos it has to end. A life of Sid has
Speaker 6: to end, and therefore the TLF tribute.
Speaker 2: To Sid has to end. Boss. Yes, yes, it's fair enough, fair.
Speaker 6: Enough TLFX, and it's fitting because as this you know prototypical,
Speaker 6: quintessential tlf treatment of a subject that I think in
Speaker 6: Sid is as TLFX as it gets.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, well, you know what, you know what
Speaker 2: just something just hit me right now? What was our first.
Speaker 6: Show SummerSlam ninety one when he made his debut, Yes,
Speaker 6: when he first made his impression upon us as fans.
Speaker 2: Right when he shows face out the curtain, you know,
Speaker 2: situated as we were at the time as w W fans. Yep.
Speaker 6: I mean it's the more I go through this, the
Speaker 6: more I realize, like Sid's career touches the stuff that
Speaker 6: we were we were steeped in before we ever hit
Speaker 6: record for.
Speaker 2: The lapsed fan right exactly.
Speaker 6: These are the places we could go to without even
Speaker 6: having to do much in the way of research, to
Speaker 6: be able to talk for hours and hours about true
Speaker 6: and there was a lot was there more to Sid
Speaker 6: And it made it that work, and it made it
Speaker 6: that much more rewarding to learn all of that because
Speaker 6: we started from the base you're talking about, yep. This
Speaker 6: is somebody that we didn't have to force ourselves to
Speaker 6: care about or discover. And the way people talked about
Speaker 6: him after his passing and the unique qualities that he
Speaker 6: brought to the business in terms of charisma, in terms
Speaker 6: of being able to draw people, in in terms of
Speaker 6: being able to stay paid and employed despite being by
Speaker 6: all accounts, one of the biggest pains in the ass
Speaker 6: to ever sign a wrestling contract. If he even did
Speaker 6: sign a contract, which wasn't always the case, yet he stayed.
Speaker 6: He stayed someone that people were interested in his next move,
Speaker 6: even when that next move couldn't have been a step forward, because,
Speaker 6: as we talked about last time in our penultimate episode,
Speaker 6: the leg snap in two thousand and one completely transformed
Speaker 6: to not only the fans SID to be, but who
Speaker 6: Sid saw himself to be. Because if he has to
Speaker 6: be on the shelf for all these months, in fact
Speaker 6: years before he could even do something resembling a wrestling
Speaker 6: match again, for someone who didn't even want to leave
Speaker 6: the house unless he looked completely jacked like a fucking
Speaker 6: Marvel superhero, it took a mental toll, if not just
Speaker 6: a physical one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: And he talked about all the legal ramifications and how
Speaker 6: that all went sort of a round trip for Sid
Speaker 6: as he tried to pick up the pieces after WCW
Speaker 6: closed and he was mending his broken wheel. But now
Speaker 6: on the final leg of our tribute to Sid, we're
Speaker 6: going to take stock of what happened after he could
Speaker 6: no longer go in the ring. For all intents and purposes,
Speaker 6: it's not like he had zero matches after WCW SIN,
Speaker 6: but it might as well have been.
Speaker 2: I mean, because he did he did do some like
Speaker 2: some quick things. Didn't didn't he beat like didn't he
Speaker 2: beat that redhead goof? I have very good raw.
Speaker 6: I wanted to leave that unset to see if you
Speaker 6: would remember, because I wasn't sure how much of an
Speaker 6: impact that actually made. But yes, when the mine wants
Speaker 6: to say we never saw Sid again after you know
Speaker 6: ninety seven, you have to check yourself because that's not true.
Speaker 6: As far as WWWWTV, yeah, I do remember him coming
Speaker 6: on a couple of times, and I remember him beating
Speaker 6: what's his name, what's the redheads name? Heth Slater, the
Speaker 6: one man later, the one the one man can right,
Speaker 6: the one man shit canned as it were. But yeah,
Speaker 6: he was going through that whole thing where he was
Speaker 6: coming out and just getting like bulldozed by legends. It
Speaker 6: was part of a campaign to build the one thousandth
Speaker 6: episode of raw in twenty twelve, right right, Vader had
Speaker 6: come back for one shot, Piper had come back, and
Speaker 6: they had Michael Cole as a heel commentator back then
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve, so he could like call the guys
Speaker 6: de crepit and they could, you know, sort of play
Speaker 6: dumb and pretend that they weren't making fun of people
Speaker 6: that they were bringing back, when of course they were.
Speaker 2: They were just doing it through a.
Speaker 6: Heel announcer voice, so they felt like it wasn't justifying.
Speaker 6: So yes, Sid didn't get the call until they had
Speaker 6: a framework where they were essentially mocking the people that
Speaker 6: they were bringing back.
Speaker 2: Oh God, and for.
Speaker 6: Sid, who saw himself out foxing Vince at every turn
Speaker 6: in his career, it certainly was a hilarious finish there
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve. But yes, we will get there. Sid
Speaker 6: does come out once again in a WW ring with
Speaker 6: jeans On, and then we truly don't see him again.
Speaker 2: Did not make any like kind of one off appearances,
Speaker 2: not with that he wrestled, but he just kind of
Speaker 2: showed up and looked like a goof on WWE.
Speaker 6: I don't think so, no, not that I can recall.
Speaker 6: I think he made a single appearance other than the
Speaker 6: one you're referencing, and we'll chart what he was doing
Speaker 6: in the business and in his life here as we serenade.
Speaker 2: Oh, we know what he was doing. He was taking
Speaker 2: care of Vienna's and fucking taking care of the.
Speaker 6: Taking care of that was quite later, but yes, he
Speaker 6: did get around to that eventually. It does become a
Speaker 6: story of Vienna's and and.
Speaker 2: We're excited to get there. It's like it's like The
Speaker 2: Third Man, the movie The Third Man. I wanted to
Speaker 2: tell you about old Vienna.
Speaker 6: Right, But we're obliged to say if sid is as
Speaker 6: TLFX as it gets, and if twenty twenty four has
Speaker 6: been just a true monument to ten years of the
Speaker 6: Lapsed Fan, if you were to pick a year where
Speaker 6: this podcast gets the recognition it deserves, you would think
Speaker 6: it would be on our tenth year anniversary, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so. It would make sense to me.
Speaker 6: Vince has taught us the importance of ten year anniversaries
Speaker 6: with WrestleManias and stuff.
Speaker 2: Russell Mania's so.
Speaker 6: Mammy is a big time reset period. So we're obliged
Speaker 6: to mention right off the top. If you haven't seen
Speaker 6: the news as we record this, it should have been
Speaker 6: abundantly clear in our social media and other social media
Speaker 6: channels that the folks at the Sports Podcast Group have
Speaker 6: seen fit to nominate this very podcast for Wrestling Podcast
Speaker 6: of the Year for two twenty four.
Speaker 2: Now we're up.
Speaker 6: Against diff competition and it is a process through which brother.
Speaker 2: What ogen Ogen's podcast that'd be that I would feel threatened.
Speaker 6: There, not Hogan's but other luminaries.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's.
Speaker 6: There's no need to delineate them. But do know that
Speaker 6: this comes down to fan voting. This comes down to
Speaker 6: this is a volume game, and we've always been quality
Speaker 6: over quantity around here. It's why we are who we are.
Speaker 6: If we chased quantity from the beginning in terms of
Speaker 6: number of listeners, my god, would this show sucked, just
Speaker 6: like ninety eight percent of wrestling podcasts that have ever
Speaker 6: been created. But we found a niche of people who
Speaker 6: were willing to put cheddar on the table to support
Speaker 6: hardcore podcasting on this sport shelf life podcasting, and we've
Speaker 6: perfected it and we've introduced it as basically the only
Speaker 6: reason to do a wrestling podcast beyond you know, covering
Speaker 6: the vicissitudes of what happened this week. You know, with
Speaker 6: all due respect to the podcast to focus on the
Speaker 6: current product, they will never be listened back to in
Speaker 6: ten years, right, and they're not designed to. But we're
Speaker 6: designed to go up on the fucking Library of Congress
Speaker 6: in a wrestling context. And so that podcast absolutely, of course,
Speaker 6: at least once, deserves to be called the wrestling podcast
Speaker 6: of the year.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 6: I think you know hard pressed would you be hard pressed?
Speaker 6: Would you be to find someone you really respect would
Speaker 6: disagree with that? And so we on the doorstep of
Speaker 6: this final leg of one of the most quintessential things
Speaker 6: we've done, one of the most quintessential hashtag lapsed things
Speaker 6: we've done, this sprawling tribute to sid that has just
Speaker 6: grown different heads and arms and legs, well maybe not legs,
Speaker 6: as we've gone. Now more than ever, on the tenth anniversary,
Speaker 6: this is the time to exercise yourself, to exercise your
Speaker 6: friends and family, to exercise anyone you've ever introduced the
Speaker 6: podcast to, anyone who's aware, even if they don't listen
Speaker 6: to us or religiously of the impact, that we have
Speaker 6: paid unpaid anyone in the sound of our voice and
Speaker 6: two three four six degrees beyond. You must go to
Speaker 6: the Sports Podcastgroup dot com website that is Sports Podcastgroup
Speaker 6: dot com and what they do is the Sports Podcast Awards.
Speaker 6: It's across several different categories. All the major sports are represented.
Speaker 6: Were up for Best Wrestling. It's very obvious who should win.
Speaker 6: And of course it's not something that we ever spend
Speaker 6: a lot of time with. You know, our troops rally themselves.
Speaker 6: We don't have to rally them. Yeah, but this might
Speaker 6: be the exception because there's nothing more TLFX I can
Speaker 6: think of. And then we'll walk away, you know, we'll
Speaker 6: be happy. It's like, all right, if we want to
Speaker 6: lean in, we can demonstrate the dominance that we all
Speaker 6: know vibrates beneath the surface of what we do every
Speaker 6: time we pick up the microphone. And if there's a
Speaker 6: third party acknowledgment opportunity for that, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Hey, I heard what you said there, third party acknowledgment.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been striving for my whole life. Jesse.
Speaker 6: I think what I'm trying to say is, if we
Speaker 6: don't win Best Wrestling Podcasts in the Sports Podcast Award,
Speaker 6: it's because they wouldn't let us in the debates.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the idea, because I know you'd win, they
Speaker 2: know we'd win. We know we'd win. You know we'd win.
Speaker 2: So let's just do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 6: Let's make each other proud as much as Maker co
Speaker 6: chairman proud and vot the Lapsed Fan the Best Wrestling
Speaker 6: Podcast of the Year and the Sports Podcast Group Sports
Speaker 6: Podcast Awards for the Year twenty twenty four. I can't
Speaker 6: think of a better year to do it. Agreed, Agreed,
Speaker 6: fucking Let's go home. Let's show them the power of
Speaker 6: what we're talking about, and let's knock on doors. Let's
Speaker 6: use some shoe leather if you will. Let's campaign, because
Speaker 6: remember this was an election year, and what a campaign
Speaker 6: it was. The TLFX games that came down to crown
Speaker 6: and Lapsed Vince the greatest character in Lapsed Fan history.
Speaker 6: There's been a lot of a lot of campaign energy
Speaker 6: around the podcast this year.
Speaker 2: Of all years, I would say, I would say that
Speaker 2: it's very true done.
Speaker 6: A lot of narrowing down, a lot of crystallizing of
Speaker 6: what it is we're about. A lot of message refinement
Speaker 6: has gone on this year through things like the TLFX
Speaker 6: testimonials that we've been proud to share, as listeners from
Speaker 6: across the Solar System have put down in their own words,
Speaker 6: why this means so much the live show we did
Speaker 6: in Philadelphia this year which laid bare the in the
Speaker 6: city of brotherly love and that founding American city, how
Speaker 6: foundational our ethos is to why even bother doing a
Speaker 6: wrestling podcast? So you know what to do? Do it
Speaker 6: Sports Podcast Awards, So the twenty twenty five edition, because
Speaker 6: you're going to be able to vote all the way
Speaker 6: through into the new year and into and through January.
Speaker 6: But make it happen. It's the way it simply has
Speaker 6: to be. They've they've they've realized that we belong in
Speaker 6: this category. Yep, and show them, show them. Not only
Speaker 6: are they right that they have no clue what they've
Speaker 6: what they have done by.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's just say they have no fucking idea.
Speaker 6: Smiling upon the Solar system, prepare for beams of effervescent light.
Speaker 2: In terms of me most importantly, the what they haven't
Speaker 2: realized what they've done is that they have they have
Speaker 2: opened the door, Yes to unrefined, pure, uncut, uncensored pain.
Speaker 6: Pain that acknowledgment that pain is the only point. Yes,
Speaker 6: that until you get to the point of pain, you're
Speaker 6: kidding yourself and everybody else is kidding themselves.
Speaker 2: Pain makes you no pleasure, right, pain is pleasure. You're
Speaker 2: gonna say pain helps you process pleasure. No, you went
Speaker 2: right to it.
Speaker 6: That wasn't even a three headed monster there. You know,
Speaker 6: once you go yeah, you guys are the best podcast,
Speaker 6: then it's like, it's it's really hard to take it back.
Speaker 6: We've seen people do that over the years. You know,
Speaker 6: they fall into our favor and then for whatever reason,
Speaker 6: they just decide it's cooler to like not like us,
Speaker 6: and it's hard for them because they know that at
Speaker 6: one point in time they kissed the ring.
Speaker 2: Listen, you know what I think of it as this
Speaker 2: is its adolescence, right. You know, you don't when you're
Speaker 2: an adolescent, when you're in that in that age of
Speaker 2: between ten and eighteen, you don't want to admit that
Speaker 2: mommy and daddy are right, and you will.
Speaker 6: Go to absurd lengths to try to demonstrate that they're wrong,
Speaker 6: absurd lengths, self destructive lengths even in some cases.
Speaker 2: But you always come home.
Speaker 6: The door is always willing to swing open when you
Speaker 6: come around, and nothing needs to be said, yep, because
Speaker 6: we love you unconditionally. Right, That's right, that's right, and
Speaker 6: so return the Favor Sports Podcast Awards TLFX. Let's really
Speaker 6: bring this motherfucker home, and let's bring home our tribute
Speaker 6: to Sid.
Speaker 2: What do you say, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: about ten.
Speaker 6: Times absolutely the Unapologetic Sin Tribute, as we heard last time,
Speaker 6: basically heard nothing from him for several years in terms
Speaker 6: of like high profile wrestling appearances, especially through two thousand
Speaker 6: and one. Like he said, he changed his phone number.
Speaker 6: He didn't want to talk to anybody in the business
Speaker 6: because anytime you pick up the phone, all they'd want
Speaker 6: to talk about is how it happened, whose fault it was,
Speaker 6: and get the story over and over again. And for
Speaker 6: someone who takes his physical well being as seriously as
Speaker 6: Sid did his whole life, that's not the kind of
Speaker 6: conversation he's interested in having. Eighteen thousand times, so he
Speaker 6: falls off the map. People don't even necessarily know what's
Speaker 6: up with him. He does make a brief appearance, as
Speaker 6: we mentioned last week, for the World Wrestling All Stars group.
Speaker 6: This is a group run by an Australian named Andrew mcmannus,
Speaker 6: who sort of tried to pick up the pieces of
Speaker 6: the WCW talent that weren't.
Speaker 2: I remember that happening when we were in college, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. It would have been a two thousand and
Speaker 2: two Okay. They brought in Randy Savage and I think
Speaker 2: Jeff Jarrett as well, right just before like it was
Speaker 2: going to become clear that TNA was going to be
Speaker 2: the best shot at recreating WCW.
Speaker 6: They sort of were. They had a pay per view
Speaker 6: that was available in the United States that they did.
Speaker 6: Australia was a very strong live event market for WCW.
Speaker 6: Even in the absolute dying death days of the promotion,
Speaker 6: they were still able to draw pretty impressive houses over there,
Speaker 6: and so it was thought that this would be you know,
Speaker 6: the subject of, or rather the center of, something that
Speaker 6: might be plausible, that might be workable from a business standpoint,
Speaker 6: if the fans over there were willing to support something
Speaker 6: other than WWF, which it appeared they were. Go back
Speaker 6: to the tnh journey right before he goes into TNA,
Speaker 6: he does the Hogan Tour Australia and works with the
Speaker 6: Rick Flair, right, because that was just the wrap on
Speaker 6: that market. As you could make money there still with
Speaker 6: the cast of characters that WCW had at the very end,
Speaker 6: and so at one point they go through some commissioners,
Speaker 6: Brett Hart and then Sid. Sid was a commissioner for
Speaker 6: the WWA, but he didn't do anything that resonated. He
Speaker 6: didn't do anything that was considered like a highlight or
Speaker 6: a promo. It's not the UWF match he had with
Speaker 6: us Steve Williams. Yeah he did it, but it's not
Speaker 6: like he said or did anything that was money about
Speaker 6: it that would live on on YouTube necessarily or anything
Speaker 6: like that. So I really don't consider it a return
Speaker 6: though it was the first time he popped his head
Speaker 6: up after snapping his leg at Sin about a full
Speaker 6: year and a half after happened, but then he just
Speaker 6: disappeared really all over again after that brief run as commissioner.
Speaker 6: He did say that TNA reached out to him. Well,
Speaker 6: actually he didn't say they reached out to him. He
Speaker 6: said when Jeff Charett first started TNA, he said this
Speaker 6: in a shoot interview with our video. They didn't have
Speaker 6: like a great roster of people to put up that
Speaker 6: they were, you know, presenting to potential sponsors. Potential broadcast partners,
Speaker 6: whatever the case may be. They have a lot of
Speaker 6: guys locked up, and he said that Jeff Jarrett called
Speaker 6: him and asked him. The way Sid put it is,
Speaker 6: he gave TNA a letter of recommendation. Only Sid would
Speaker 6: call it a letter of recommendation, Oh my god, basically saying, yeah,
Speaker 6: you can say I'm working for the company, you can
Speaker 6: associate my name with this as you're trying to get
Speaker 6: something going business wise. But at the time, he's on
Speaker 6: a walker, and according to Sid, they're shopping his name
Speaker 6: around as one of the wrestling luminaries that could be yours.
Speaker 6: If you support this, I'm sure Jeff Jarrett would absolutely
Speaker 6: disagree with that. SID has talked big shit about Jeff
Speaker 6: Yard as well. But you know, they used Hogan's name
Speaker 6: as if they were going to do a Hogan Jarrett
Speaker 6: match in two thousand and three and it never happened.
Speaker 6: So I think it's completely against type for them as
Speaker 6: they struggle to get traction with pay per view providers
Speaker 6: and things, to just throw any name against the wall,
Speaker 6: even if it was a soft commitment from someone who
Speaker 6: couldn't even walk.
Speaker 2: It's just a fucking I don't know it just that
Speaker 2: whole thing. I don't know, it's it's it's funny. I
Speaker 2: guess what I I guess. What's funny to me is
Speaker 2: how even how how desperate wrestling promoters are when it
Speaker 2: comes to name talent. Yeah, who may or may not
Speaker 2: have ever drawn actual money, you know, but they have
Speaker 2: a name, and so even if they're well over the
Speaker 2: hill in terms of what they can actually offer, it's
Speaker 2: it's so it's fascinating to me how how organizations are
Speaker 2: so desperate bring in and and in a way they don't.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it's different now, I suppose with the
Speaker 2: aw and whatnot, but they don't necessarily build new talent up.
Speaker 2: It's always let's rely on the old fucking guys. Who
Speaker 2: can you know, who have been quote unquote successful. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think when you're triple funding together, it helps to
Speaker 6: put people in front of financiers.
Speaker 2: Who have Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that heard of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll admit, I don't think of it
Speaker 2: in terms of like in terms of like, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to get people to I think of it as, oh,
Speaker 2: I've already got money. But when you're trying to get money,
Speaker 2: you need that kind of shit, and that's very true.
Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting is, you know, Tony Kanad money and
Speaker 6: he still goes for every WW guy I can get
Speaker 6: his hands on and woman. You know, so it's sort
Speaker 6: of like it's.
Speaker 2: Like a yeah, but how many of them were actual draws?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: I know? Yeah, fucking gets.
Speaker 6: It's like a disease with no qre kind of thing
Speaker 6: because if anyone would have done, it would have been him.
Speaker 6: And now he's replete with guys that you still think
Speaker 6: primarily WW when you look at them, despite his attempts
Speaker 6: to kind of them. But yeah, so yeah, point taken.
Speaker 6: But if you try to get something off the ground
Speaker 6: and approach with a list of guys that are going
Speaker 6: to be huge stars in ten years but nobody's heard of, ah,
Speaker 6: I'll take a pass of that. That doesn't seem like
Speaker 6: the best place to invest my money. Jeff, thank you, though,
Speaker 6: who's aj styles?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: So you did so?
Speaker 6: I guess that was part of that's the extent of
Speaker 6: Sid's TNA involvement. I mean, he had said that all
Speaker 6: the things I did to help those guys, they called
Speaker 6: and asked me to come in and do some things.
Speaker 6: But I wasn't honest with them, he said. One time
Speaker 6: in a shoot interview, he said he told him I
Speaker 6: don't want to work for those guys unless I know
Speaker 6: I'm not going to work for Vince because I wouldn't
Speaker 6: do something small. This poor guy on a walker still
Speaker 6: thinks that Vince gives a shit about him. He still
Speaker 6: thinks that in the end, Vince is going to be
Speaker 6: the one that needs him more than he needs Vince.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm want to tell you something. So so Vincent
Speaker 2: May has said one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna
Speaker 2: is the cathedral? Correct? And I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't send him an autographed contract, though, did you?
Speaker 6: Because because one wasn't one was never offered.
Speaker 2: I said he was going to put my picture on
Speaker 2: a contract, and then why I didn't have to sign it?
Speaker 2: Bucker still get paid. Have you seen this man kind
Speaker 2: of picture? Have you seen? Let me have you have
Speaker 2: we can we put this up on the Listen. I
Speaker 2: want to put this picture, this signed autographed picture of
Speaker 2: Sid down at the front desk of Titan Towers. Do
Speaker 2: not allow this man in all right, do not allow
Speaker 2: Sid in the building. If you see him, shoot him.
Speaker 6: It's like when it came over the loudspeaker when he
Speaker 6: fired Warrior. Remember Tom Fleming, the w.
Speaker 2: W F artist. Oh my god, Yeah, the interview with
Speaker 2: us about it.
Speaker 6: It's like all of a sudden, he's working on stuff
Speaker 6: for a Warrior and then Vince's they no voice comes
Speaker 6: over the headquarter wide intercom. Weird, no anger doing business
Speaker 6: with Ultimate Warrior. Please see sect anything in motion regarding.
Speaker 2: U UH employees of Titan Sports Incorporated, Corporate, I would
Speaker 2: like corporate. There's an echo employees of Titan Sports Incorporated.
Speaker 2: This is Vincent Kennedy McMahon, the owner, CEO, head han
Speaker 2: show of sorts of the of the organization. I I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm for those of her here who don't know
Speaker 2: who Vince is. I've been the I've been involved in
Speaker 2: this business since the nineteen seventy. We are a multi
Speaker 2: uh functional conglomerate of media enterprise, and I just wanted
Speaker 2: to let every or know that we are currently no
Speaker 2: longer using the services and talents of the Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 2: Thank you have a good holiday. Of course, of course
Speaker 2: it's the last message before a holiday break. Actually it
Speaker 2: would have been right because we've been around Thanksgiving. It's true.
Speaker 2: It's true. Didn't even think of that. That was just
Speaker 2: a whim but we.
Speaker 6: Are in the holiday season. I do kind of adore
Speaker 6: the idea of like full time WWF staff who like
Speaker 6: don't care about wrestling, but they have skills WWF us
Speaker 6: and they live practice approximate to Standford, Connecticut working there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like, you know, it's funny. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of of all the people who you know,
Speaker 2: when I was at when I when I was in
Speaker 2: LA and I worked at Sony or not at Sony,
Speaker 2: but when I was working on the Sony lot, talking like,
Speaker 2: there are all these people who are just working regular jobs,
Speaker 2: but they just happen to be at a movie studio, right,
Speaker 2: you know, you need to have that those those jobs
Speaker 2: like accountants and and whatever who really have no impact
Speaker 2: on the actual and have no interest maybe to do
Speaker 2: but you know, not necessarily any interest in the actual
Speaker 2: runnings of the studio. But they just happened their job
Speaker 2: just happens to be at the studio.
Speaker 6: I mean, those people have always been the subject of
Speaker 6: endless fascination to me, and just the idea that they
Speaker 6: got benefits, they got Christmas vacations, you know, right, And
Speaker 6: the wrestlers who make the whole thing go round couldn't
Speaker 6: even dream of having the same track link from an
Speaker 6: employment perspective as these people who hated wrestling or not hated,
Speaker 6: who are indifferent to the actual product that you know,
Speaker 6: that that made the machine run.
Speaker 2: Just fascinating. That to me, that is the bigger thing
Speaker 2: because in my mind because if you if you hate wrestling,
Speaker 2: I can see you kind of working at a wrestling company.
Speaker 2: If you love wrestling, I can see you working at
Speaker 2: a wrestling company. If you're indifferent, those are the people
Speaker 2: that I'm that are truly fascinating, because how the fuck
Speaker 2: did you get this job?
Speaker 6: They answer a one ad for graphic designer and it
Speaker 6: happens to be you know, near fucking Long Island or
Speaker 6: wherever they grew up.
Speaker 2: You know, they need a janitor, they need whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: all those all those businesses need those things every day
Speaker 2: everyday jobs. Let's not kid ourselves a baby job. We're
Speaker 2: talking about every day job.
Speaker 6: I don't that's a one ad. He's not answering, right,
Speaker 6: but my jobing brother, it's not kid ourselves. Job board,
Speaker 6: what do you mean? What what do you set that
Speaker 6: up at the tapings?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 2: Like, what do you what do you mean like someone's
Speaker 2: gonna like like a wooden board people laid out on
Speaker 2: or two? That are we talking about? It's a job board?
Speaker 6: What is that where you put the names up of
Speaker 6: people doing a job? Is ul Hogan's name on there?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think who's put who's putting the names
Speaker 2: up on the job.
Speaker 6: Here's my thing, brother, I understand you're saying I'm none
Speaker 6: on the job board, But the way my mind works
Speaker 6: is why didn't I know of the existence of such
Speaker 6: a thing as a job board in the first place.
Speaker 6: If it wasn't a way to do an end run
Speaker 6: around Ulshogan right ill would know what that I would
Speaker 6: know what it was.
Speaker 2: The thing is, too, I want to know exactly why
Speaker 2: people are doing this behind my back exactly.
Speaker 6: That's I don't really care what the job board is.
Speaker 6: I care why I'm not told about it exactly, you know.
Speaker 6: So I want to know why I'm not told about
Speaker 6: these things. I want to why people are trying to
Speaker 6: beat Hulk Hogan because he okay, he goes like, I
Speaker 6: don't care if I'm jobbing or not. I just care
Speaker 6: about the secret to the secretiveness of it. And then
Speaker 6: he comes right back around and says, I want to
Speaker 6: know if people want to beat Hulkogan. It's like, no,
Speaker 6: you just said, you just said, you acknowledge that that
Speaker 6: doesn't matter and that's not a reality, and he still
Speaker 6: brings it up. So let's not kid ourselves. Another part
Speaker 6: of the reason we didn't hear much from Sid for
Speaker 6: a couple of years after dying, said be closed. The
Speaker 6: check was still coming in the mail, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, still getting paid. As we discussed in the
Speaker 6: episodes about you know, the lawsuits you filed around the injury,
Speaker 6: he had quite a bit of time, including that worker's
Speaker 6: compensation payment for the injury and you know pay per
Speaker 6: view money that checks that he cashed for pay per
Speaker 6: views that he was owed but never happened, and he
Speaker 6: didn't have to work, but his contract called for a
Speaker 6: minimum Uh. So you know, that's also part of the
Speaker 6: reason that a lot of these guys uh disappeared for
Speaker 6: a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Nash you know famously said like, you know, if you're
Speaker 6: getting paid what you're getting paid right now to sit
Speaker 6: at home and watching Netflix, would you take it?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, what do you want? Like, you know, you
Speaker 2: just gotta fucking you know I'm getting. I'm getting. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid to sit at home. Fucking I work
Speaker 2: on a dollar to bump ratio and if I can
Speaker 2: get paid a lot of dollars for zero buck, fucking
Speaker 2: you know, hit some sativa and drink some fucking veno.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, he says, watch Netflix, by the way,
Speaker 6: you know what kind of films is?
Speaker 2: You know, I fucking watched those those fucking indie college channels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: watching some fucking you know, up and coming you know,
Speaker 2: film tours.
Speaker 6: Fuck, so oh three passes, you know, four. He suddenly
Speaker 6: pomps up again in Montreal, of all places, where there's
Speaker 6: some shows going on in a promotional banner called the IWS.
Speaker 6: And involved in the IWS is Pierre Carl Willette from
Speaker 6: lochae Becker's PCO, as he's known now. And come to
Speaker 6: find out, PCO was one of Sid's absolute best friends
Speaker 6: in the business.
Speaker 2: Good out of here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't think people necessarily knew this until
Speaker 6: this run started to happen. And you know, the shoot
Speaker 6: interview business was much more replete. There was channels everywhere,
Speaker 6: and people would interview PCO, especially Devin Nicholson up who
Speaker 6: runs as Hannibal runs Great White North Wrestling, and by
Speaker 6: virtue of running that promotion, was able to bring in
Speaker 6: a lot of guys with you know, old stardom from
Speaker 6: WWF past and get a whole new round of shoot
Speaker 6: interviews done as part of the deal. A lot of
Speaker 6: the stuff we've talked about and excerpted over the course
Speaker 6: of the tribute to SID has come from SID getting
Speaker 6: booked by Great White North and agreeing to do shoot
Speaker 6: interviews as part.
Speaker 2: Of the deal.
Speaker 6: PCO has also done shoot interviews with Hannibal and has
Speaker 6: been asked about SID in particular. PCO, of course, is
Speaker 6: a name that carries some weight in the Montreal wrestling scene,
Speaker 6: and he talked to Hannibal about his history with SID.
Speaker 6: It all became pretty clear here as SID suddenly starts
Speaker 6: re emerging. For example, on June twelf, two thousand and four,
Speaker 6: SID had teamed with PCO to defeat the team of
Speaker 6: Big Larry and Dolla Bill a main event anywhere in
Speaker 6: the country, No, sorry, what a main event anywhere in
Speaker 6: the country, and by the country, I mean Montserrat but
Speaker 6: a PCO told Hannibal, I consider Sid to be my
Speaker 6: best friend ever in the business. We had so much
Speaker 6: fun together. I could ask him probably anything. He was
Speaker 6: close to my family, to pco's parents. As a matter,
Speaker 6: you can always ask him anything. The problem is is
Speaker 6: he's going to tell you the truth about it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: be careful what you asked Sid would be my suggestion. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he was almost part of a pco's family, as he
Speaker 6: tells it. And when he went to work for the
Speaker 6: Power Pro Wrestling Company, which was the Memphis Developmental territory
Speaker 6: that we talked about, were Sid was in that PBO
Speaker 6: stable in between runs. PCO actually stayed at Sid's house
Speaker 6: when he was working down in that territory. So shit
Speaker 6: and getting the Booker t and Stevie Ray treatment there
Speaker 6: at Chateau Ud.
Speaker 2: Okay, we all want to go because.
Speaker 6: At first PCO says he rented a condo down there,
Speaker 6: and eventually he Sid just said, you know what, coming
Speaker 6: to my house, lived with the family, and he was
Speaker 6: there and remembers his wife being generous. And he also remembers, interestingly,
Speaker 6: which I can't imagine Sid having a maid, which is
Speaker 6: just too much to think.
Speaker 2: Wow, helping out with the kids and everything. He didn't
Speaker 2: have fucking just Frank doing all that shit.
Speaker 6: I think it made was helping take care of Frank
Speaker 6: was twenty years old, and what would they do. They
Speaker 6: would go to the gyms every morning. You know, Sid
Speaker 6: needs a workout partner, especially getting back on his feet,
Speaker 6: such as he was working out doing the twice a days.
Speaker 6: Right back at it is Sid. And here's a little
Speaker 6: bit of a direct color from the aforementioned Hannibal shoot
Speaker 6: interview PCO reflecting on his friend Sid.
Speaker 9: I really never changed much. You know, he kept that
Speaker 9: same house. It was not a big big spender. Like
Speaker 9: you know, he works on his h He has a
Speaker 9: special car that it it's not like the car. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 9: sort of a jeep. Note puts that real strong.
Speaker 2: Engine and it tires.
Speaker 9: But his best friend is mechanical, so it doesn't cost
Speaker 9: him that much the parts. You know, it's like their
Speaker 9: babies together, those guys. You know, they just work on
Speaker 9: the jeep all the time, and it can make the
Speaker 9: mud goes up.
Speaker 2: Fifty feet in the air.
Speaker 9: You know, it's really really strong.
Speaker 2: It's a nice jeep. It's it's very very odd. But
Speaker 2: other than that.
Speaker 9: It's it's not a big spender.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sid just working on the jeep. And listen, I
Speaker 2: know for damn we know for sure that Sid is
Speaker 2: not a big spender.
Speaker 6: I can picture working on the jeep. I can picture
Speaker 6: him working on the jeep, like but still wearing like
Speaker 6: a chaps button up with the top button buttoned, with
Speaker 6: short sleeves. He's somehow in like a checkered like dress shirt.
Speaker 2: While he does. Yeah, oh for sure, listen, he's he
Speaker 2: he is always wearing some kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of button down dress shirt, like it's either
Speaker 2: plaid or it's you know, you know, and it's and
Speaker 2: he's tucked into jeans. And he's always wearing a hat,
Speaker 2: a baseball hat, like all right, doesn't matter where what
Speaker 2: he's doing, like if he's not in the ring, that's
Speaker 2: what he's wearing.
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Speaker 6: But again, that's that's what everyone says is he lived
Speaker 6: incredibly modestly, essentially stuck to the same neighborhood that is
Speaker 6: his his ancestors were from, and that he returned to, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, an agro lifestyle, a farming lifestyle, and never,
Speaker 6: despite the money made in the business, ye never bought
Speaker 6: a big ostentatious house or a big ostentatious car, or
Speaker 6: really did anything that indicated that he was interested in
Speaker 6: the trappings of you know, making millions in the wrestling business.
Speaker 6: And what does that do? That gives you freedom, That
Speaker 6: gives you freedom to just fucking disappear.
Speaker 2: Well it also, I mean there's that, and it also
Speaker 2: gives you the freedom to walk away.
Speaker 6: That's right, It's what I'm by disap here, right, you
Speaker 6: could just fuck it, I'm done for now.
Speaker 2: You don't you know that? That's always the you know,
Speaker 2: we hear about that all the time about wrestlers who
Speaker 2: just can't fucking walk away. It's because they don't have
Speaker 2: any money. But if you do it, if you play
Speaker 2: it smart and you and you live modestly, or if
Speaker 2: you live like see him punk, you know, then you
Speaker 2: can then you can not work. You know, you've saved
Speaker 2: up enough money and then your money's making money. Yep.
Speaker 6: And you didn't allow the wrestling business to create your
Speaker 6: idea of yourself and thus put you in huge debt
Speaker 6: with a huge house, right, and all these other toys
Speaker 6: and assets, because you let the wrestling business tell you like, Okay,
Speaker 6: because I'm making this money now, I'm going to define
Speaker 6: who I am by the things I buy. Whereas a
Speaker 6: guy like Sid knows who he is already, yes, and
Speaker 6: he's just he's always ready to go back there if
Speaker 6: need be, and the money is just helping him do
Speaker 6: it in kind of a more deliberated fashion. There's definitely
Speaker 6: wisdom there. As much of a pain in the ass
Speaker 6: as he was, and as much as a lot of
Speaker 6: this wasn't by design, and just because he was you know,
Speaker 6: too cute by a mile and dealing with promoters and
Speaker 6: thinking he was getting one over on them, and they
Speaker 6: were just kind of laughing at him and waiting for
Speaker 6: the chance to cut bait and rewarding him with you know,
Speaker 6: two month title reigns, right, because that was his reputation.
Speaker 6: He did have that ace in the hole where it
Speaker 6: was like, I did not build up my sense of
Speaker 6: myself with the money I made in the wrestling business,
Speaker 6: and so I'm not in a position to have to
Speaker 6: support that lifestyle and therefore be completely vulnerable to promoters.
Speaker 6: So that I can continue furthering that lifestyle. I can
Speaker 6: afford just not work for years and still be okay,
Speaker 6: and you know, have a ton of fun in court, right,
Speaker 6: suing motherfuckers and trying sure, you know, having enough money
Speaker 6: to have the lawyers, that's one thing. It's like you
Speaker 6: live that way. It's like, where's all the proof of it?
Speaker 6: He lives so humbly. He's like, no, you know where
Speaker 6: it goes. It goes with the lawyers that are going
Speaker 6: to grab two or three more paydays. Then the next
Speaker 6: guy can afford to fight for exactly because he'll just
Speaker 6: sue you. And he loves to sue people. So he's
Speaker 6: a tigious guy. He loves to blow cush too, you know,
Speaker 6: and that's not cheap. Yes, this guy goes high as
Speaker 6: a motherfucker his whole life. Right, We're talking about night
Speaker 6: stick sized Marley spliffs. We're talking about this guy's blowing
Speaker 6: fucking blunts, the size of the inflatable baseball bats you
Speaker 6: see at kid's birthday parties.
Speaker 2: Okay, can you imagine? Can you imagine too? Like you know, Frank,
Speaker 2: Frank snuck out at night. He's coming home, really really late,
Speaker 2: absolutely red eyed, yep. And then but then, but then
Speaker 2: you get Sid at home waiting. He knows, he knows
Speaker 2: that that Frank's gonna fucking stroll in like a motherfucker,
Speaker 2: and he and Sid has been smoking like nobody's business.
Speaker 2: But he's still dressed, yes, in a plaid shirt, button down,
Speaker 2: tucked in with a hat. He's in the house. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's in the house. Frank, Frank, I see you. I
Speaker 2: saw you five miles away, and you're smoking my joint
Speaker 2: and I could see far beyond the limitations of society,
Speaker 2: right exactly. It opens up new worlds to him, and
Speaker 2: I will see him beyond the limitations of human ability
Speaker 2: to see. It's real simple, And I'm gonna tell you something,
Speaker 2: Frankie's real simple. You sneak out of the house again.
Speaker 2: You sneak out with my car. You come back here,
Speaker 2: I'll kill you.
Speaker 6: The Sidney ad libs never disappoints, does it. I thought
Speaker 6: you were gonna say to see, Frank, it's real simple.
Speaker 6: You said my church at Cana and Assassin.
Speaker 2: You delivered. I'm gonna tell you something else. You finally
Speaker 2: deliver those fucking being us. I almost send you sound picture,
Speaker 2: huge kudos.
Speaker 6: One of the most delightful parts of the SID tribute
Speaker 6: has been members of the Solar System, mostly commenting on Patreon,
Speaker 6: who have caught on to ways to spell the way
Speaker 6: SID says words, How do you spell the way?
Speaker 2: SID says picture? It's p I T C H E R.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, I Richard.
Speaker 10: Oh, he sent my church a casey Vianna sausages, and
Speaker 10: I send him an autograph picture.
Speaker 2: Hey, the autograph picture the way, he says. Sean Michaels
Speaker 2: his money. I love seeing Solar System members try to
Speaker 2: spell ball water.
Speaker 6: Yes, just amazing. Oh so thank you SID. O five
Speaker 6: becomes six, becomes O seven, and he pops up again
Speaker 6: working at the new l Ham Arena NFL, of course,
Speaker 6: the former you c W Arena for the p W
Speaker 6: you promotion, where he wrestles his old buddy and his
Speaker 6: old night and shining armor if you will. Two cold Scorpio,
Speaker 6: He who hit the bloodied hallways of the England Hotel
Speaker 6: room after the scissor brawl with arn Anderson. I hesitate
Speaker 6: to call it a scissor fight, of course, and exactly.
Speaker 2: What's going on, dude, will know Lesbian's brother.
Speaker 6: Did He say, say what did you got lesbians? He said, God, yeah,
Speaker 6: we got him here, Terry, they're right here.
Speaker 2: Say hi, what he didn't know they were here? He
Speaker 2: thought they were route. You tell me they're already here. Well,
Speaker 2: I thought, that's not I don't that's not what we
Speaker 2: agreed to at all. They're here, brother, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: We have the holllest thing in dude, man, Where where
Speaker 2: where is specified happening?
Speaker 6: Due if only had the wherewithal to get to the
Speaker 6: E C W Arena in the summer heat in two
Speaker 6: thousand and seven to see two gold Scorpio versus sid.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I'll tell you that that's a's a
Speaker 2: main event anywhere in that part of Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: And yeah, South Philly, anywhere in that fucking industrial park
Speaker 6: that that industrial area they sit in next to like
Speaker 6: a gear manufacturer and a cheese steak place with a
Speaker 6: two mile long line. Oh, I know, the plaza across
Speaker 6: from the fucking uh you know, Marshalls.
Speaker 2: That's just fucking perfect, wasn't it absolutely per fect?
Speaker 6: Sitting in that cab trying or the uber trying not
Speaker 6: to touch the cheese steak till we got to the hotel.
Speaker 2: Ah that was I mean, just fucking kill me. The
Speaker 2: smell of an onion rings the whole ride. Ah. Like,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the thing is that makes it. You know,
Speaker 2: that makes it a very simple, plain act that you're
Speaker 2: not going to do well eating that food, right because
Speaker 2: now you've made you've tortured yourself to smell it for longer,
Speaker 2: So all you want to do is put it in
Speaker 2: your mouth as fast as possible.
Speaker 6: I think there's a pretty good chance that Sid, wearing
Speaker 6: jeans under knee pads and boots, ate one of those
Speaker 6: on a round wooden table behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: Yes he did, Yes he did brought it also, sure
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm damn sure that he ate one
Speaker 2: right at a stand and said, fuck it, they're not
Speaker 2: going to start without me, right, exactly how you would
Speaker 2: you like to eat here?
Speaker 6: A regular? A regular Rosa Parks? He was lunch counter
Speaker 6: activist Sid. So then he goes up to uh Ottawa
Speaker 6: that summer and works for the super FX promotion where
Speaker 6: he wrestles Johnny Devine, and then he goes to wrestle
Speaker 6: for any W in Danbury, Connecticut against Jerry law we
Speaker 6: missed the chances. He sid and Lawler in O seven
Speaker 6: What a bummer. Then he goes to what btw and
Speaker 6: RIVERA O my God to wrestle too cold again remember
Speaker 6: tenth of two thousand and seven, then kick it over
Speaker 6: to two thousand and eight. He works in nWo Pro
Speaker 6: TV taping in Lincoln, Rhode Island at the Twin Rivers
Speaker 6: where he defeats Joe Delicious. I'm not sure that ever
Speaker 6: made a television. He works another nWo Pro NWA Pro
Speaker 6: TV taping in Atlanta on June seventh of two thousand
Speaker 6: and eight, where he defeats wrestlers by the name of
Speaker 6: Davy Boy Blain and Justin Carino.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's.
Speaker 6: Still only taking matches where he can destroy people. Two
Speaker 6: on ONEWNWA Pro.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I keep seeing nWo in New Jersey he wrestles Joe Delicious,
Speaker 6: so this must be his buddy, This Joe Delicious guy.
Speaker 6: He worked the Knights of Columbus June thirteenth, two thousand
Speaker 6: and eight and Richfield Park, New Jersey, where he on
Speaker 6: Dave Greco, Justin Creno, and Kyle Thurdon in a three
Speaker 6: on one handicap. You can guess who won that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna imagine Yeah that Listen sitting't losing any
Speaker 2: handicaps beat.
Speaker 6: Cut well, well, he beat Kyle Gordon. In June, he
Speaker 6: did a wrestling super show in Pemberke, Ontario against the
Speaker 6: aforementioned Hannibal Devil Nicholson, where they wrestled each other to
Speaker 6: a disqualification. That was on June twenty, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 6: And then he worked a wrestling super show card as
Speaker 6: it was called in Hawkesbury and Antario against a wrestler
Speaker 6: named a Tiger Raj Singh, where he defeated him on
Speaker 6: June twenty first, two thousand and eight. And then it
Speaker 6: was time for the Phone a ring from an old pal,
Speaker 6: the guy who found him first on the softball field,
Speaker 6: the guy who gave him his first match under the
Speaker 6: Lord Humongous Gimmick against the Lights Nick Bucklinkle. Jerry the
Speaker 6: King Lawler is still working the Tennessee State Fairgrounds. Boss
Speaker 6: It's time for a card that was entitled celebrating thirty
Speaker 6: five years of Wrestling with Jerry the King Lawler, A
Speaker 6: tribute to the King and his He blessed Sid Vicious
Speaker 6: to be his opponent for this occasion. It was a
Speaker 6: very over seven in two thousand and eight matches on
Speaker 6: YouTube and Sid is in jeans, and Sid is back
Speaker 6: in the Memphis territory, if you will, and trying to
Speaker 6: suck off the fumes of what's left in that one
Speaker 6: part of the country where there's still just a little
Speaker 6: bit of a spark around the idea of our local wrestling.
Speaker 6: And he wrestled Lawler such as he was, you know,
Speaker 6: with his titties and everything in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Of course, listen, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 6: And he's in jeans and Jimmy Hart is in Sid's
Speaker 6: corner to get the heat.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess what the fuck is Jesus, it's
Speaker 2: like with Jimmy Hart going to add that little extra
Speaker 2: for draw edge.
Speaker 6: You think we've seen you think we've seen Sid standing
Speaker 6: around before?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 6: D you see this one? A lot of standing around.
Speaker 6: He body slams Jerry Lawler about six times after several
Speaker 6: lock ups to start the match, and then he punches
Speaker 6: him and stands around. Lawler eventually does his comeback, throws
Speaker 6: a low blow at a drop kick. Jimmy Hart gets
Speaker 6: up on the ape and tries to hold Jerry Lawler
Speaker 6: open for a shot. Of course, Lawler moves out of
Speaker 6: the way and Sid pops Jimmy Hart and Lawler rolls
Speaker 6: up Sid for the one, two three, and Sid sells
Speaker 6: this roll up finish as if he'd just been shot
Speaker 6: in the head.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 6: My favorite thing about Sid bar none is that he
Speaker 6: sells everything as if he should be supine ready to
Speaker 6: be put into the grave. Yep, right, every move it's
Speaker 6: either no selling and he's getting back to his feet
Speaker 6: to get to his chokes, like the power Bomb, where
Speaker 6: he is fucking a corpse on the ground motionless for
Speaker 6: minutes on end, laying there even to the detriment of
Speaker 6: the flow of the match, like why since not getting
Speaker 6: up at all?
Speaker 2: Fucking uh, mister Purfs should taking some notes from Sid.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, it's selling that fucking stone Cold Center in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two.
Speaker 6: No, I mean he sells the roll up like Owen
Speaker 6: should have sold the Summer Slam ninety seven roll up.
Speaker 6: He just lays there like the roll up is a
Speaker 6: knockout blow.
Speaker 2: I probably couldn't get up. It's probably stuff so uh,
Speaker 2: I can't get the rest Kevin Lawler, get over free Lawler.
Speaker 2: I know you're all her son King right, just looking
Speaker 2: me in the eye. You something real simple. I can't
Speaker 2: get up. That is real simple, said you might.
Speaker 6: You realize when you're giving an urgent message, you know,
Speaker 6: ear to ear and the people can't hear you, you
Speaker 6: don't have to do the it's real simple preface. You
Speaker 6: don't have to say that.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. This is how I talk.
Speaker 2: These are the things that I say, right all right,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna make it real simple for.
Speaker 6: You, he said, says it again, and he says, by
Speaker 6: the way.
Speaker 2: There, I don't want to make things complicated, right, God forbid.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you don't want to make them
Speaker 2: complicated for my sake or for your sake, But that's fine,
Speaker 2: And he says, this is what I'm gonna say. He
Speaker 2: said that it's pronounced what's pronounced sake, the wine, the
Speaker 2: Japanese sake. For God's sake, Will you get over here, gunner.
Speaker 2: They taught me that in Japan. Wait to hear what
Speaker 2: else they taught him in Japan. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get to that. But look, I mean, as this thing
Speaker 2: kind of starts to very very vaguely resemble the lapsed
Speaker 2: Funk Terry Funk journey. Who is the opponent? Right that
Speaker 2: like threads together the generations. You know, who's the guy? Yes,
Speaker 2: Jerry Lawler. Yep, it's totally true.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: As great as he was in his own right, Lawler
Speaker 6: was like foil to so many wrestlers who straddle the generations,
Speaker 6: you know, and you could go back to it because
Speaker 6: Lawler did not work a style that you couldn't do
Speaker 6: even when you were really old and beyond your years.
Speaker 6: And it was the promos were so strong that you
Speaker 6: could just pick up or you left off from a
Speaker 6: promo perspective. We heard you remember the one we called
Speaker 6: him a baby banger, Terry Funk.
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 6: He came back here that outdoor promo where he was
Speaker 6: like on his farm and he's a baby banger to
Speaker 6: get people in the building in like two thousand and
Speaker 6: four to see him wrestle Jerry Lawler one more time.
Speaker 6: And they went all around the horn. MLW A bunch
Speaker 6: of indies in the Northeast. They're just tremendous and so
Speaker 6: sid The beneficiary of that is well here all the
Speaker 6: way in the year two thousand and eight, after which
Speaker 6: he could do very little beyond just like we mentioned,
Speaker 6: stand around. He was asked in the End Your Head
Speaker 6: podcast about working with Jerry Lawler one time was Sid
Speaker 6: and he said, it's like working with a skeleton out
Speaker 6: of the closet. Slow, he's already dead. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 6: and then they laugh.
Speaker 2: Wow. So I'm going to tell you something, guys. Good.
Speaker 6: That's where I've said this before, is that we have
Speaker 6: to do as workers in this business. We have to
Speaker 6: learn how to be comfortable in an uncomfortable situation. One
Speaker 6: of them sometimes is what a lot of times means
Speaker 6: is I can make someone feel uncomfortable by not moving.
Speaker 6: This is what Sid is offering. I can make someone
Speaker 6: uncomfortable by not moving, he says.
Speaker 2: I'm want to say you something. I want to say
Speaker 2: something right now. I will make you feel uncomfortable. I
Speaker 2: can promise I'll make you feel by not moving. I
Speaker 2: will stand perfectly still and you will find no comfort.
Speaker 11: You know what.
Speaker 6: I don't really disagree with him Sid standing there not
Speaker 6: moving it kind of works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Jesus.
Speaker 6: And he's basically, yeah, you know why you're not moving
Speaker 6: Sid because your leg doesn't work anymore. Right, but it's
Speaker 6: now a psychology right, So again a luxury that Jerry
Speaker 6: Lawler afforded so many veterans that they could find in
Speaker 6: just one more payday that had a spark of the
Speaker 6: old time, even when they could barely move, like Terry
Speaker 6: Funk could barely move, because Lawler had set expectations such
Speaker 6: that people didn't feel ripped off even if the match
Speaker 6: was that low action and that's gone, that's gone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: the crop today. If they can't do what they do now,
Speaker 6: there no one's gonna sit around and by no one,
Speaker 6: there's not gonna be people who like accept them doing
Speaker 6: a style that you know, they don't have knees anymore,
Speaker 6: they don't have any spring in their step anymore. Their
Speaker 6: careers are over. They're cooked if they can't do dives
Speaker 6: and all that stuff. And that's their choice, and it
Speaker 6: works for them in the in the moment, but you've
Speaker 6: got to think careers, boss are going to be a
Speaker 6: lot shorter, right, earning year is going to be a
Speaker 6: lot shorter. You're not going to be like Sid and
Speaker 6: still find ways to get booked. In two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: after what happened to your leg? I don't think, so
Speaker 6: what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think? I think it's Sid. I think Sid finds
Speaker 2: a way much like life and Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park,
Speaker 2: Sid finds a way.
Speaker 6: Sid does find a way to get booked until we
Speaker 6: give you that. So I'm going to play for you
Speaker 6: a little bit of that sound from the aforemntioned interview
Speaker 6: that he did with the In Your Head podcast said
Speaker 6: talking about being uncomfortable and uncomfortable situations and not moving.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was. You know, that's a nice job. People
Speaker 11: crazy because you're gonna realize that, what with all of
Speaker 11: a thousand million times a thousand million industry get in
Speaker 11: the ring sometimes, so that's sometime uncomfortable doing and that
Speaker 11: puts a lot of people in an uncomfortable situation. But no,
Speaker 11: I like it like that, and now I think it's
Speaker 11: TV and it's going to be something we need to
Speaker 11: have down to ever do a little segment and everything.
Speaker 11: I think, then you you talk it out, you know,
Speaker 11: but it's a lot of fun to be able to
Speaker 11: do that on the comfort of people.
Speaker 2: And you know, Bamba, he's talking now about Bam Bam Bigelow.
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead just a little bit.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna tell you some guys what we have to
Speaker 11: as workers in this business. We have to learn how
Speaker 11: to be comfortable and an uncomfortable situation. And one of
Speaker 11: them sometimes is, uh, what longest time means? I can
Speaker 11: make someone feel uncomfortable? But by not moving, I feel
Speaker 11: real comfortable.
Speaker 2: By not moving, I'm not gonna want me too.
Speaker 11: You know, whatever match before me or whatever dictator fast,
Speaker 11: I'm I'm moving in the ring, and uh, I think
Speaker 11: Kings gives me what you don't see with many people today.
Speaker 11: I've got a calm about me that you just don't see.
Speaker 11: And what I got that from was from him. Honestly,
Speaker 11: I got my you know, a lot of the on
Speaker 11: tough interview stuff, the ability to do that you know,
Speaker 11: you got to realize in these interviews in the day,
Speaker 11: we had to do these things on a fly miss
Speaker 11: Live TV. So that's something he taught me how to
Speaker 11: do too, and that he's one best at it. So
Speaker 11: I learned a lot from the guy, and that right here,
Speaker 11: that one thing in my repertoire means a lot to me,
Speaker 11: just to be able to make someone feel uncomfortable. Or
Speaker 11: I can feel comfortable in an uncomfortable situation means.
Speaker 6: A lot to him to be able to do that.
Speaker 6: Do you think he could make you feel comfortable in
Speaker 6: an uncomfortable situation or vice versa.
Speaker 2: I think he'd I think he'd maybe feel uncomfortable most
Speaker 2: of the time.
Speaker 6: So calendar turns to two thousand and nine. He hits
Speaker 6: up to Montreal and works in more shows against the
Speaker 6: likes of Frankie the Mobster and Handsome JF and Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 6: He works a wrestling super show in thunder Bay, Ontario
Speaker 6: on two and eighteenth, So it's a lot of work
Speaker 6: in Canada. And in these later years he wrestles Jim
Speaker 6: Duggan in two thousand and nine, I invite you to
Speaker 6: consider God. And then he goes to work for the Juggalos.
Speaker 6: He goes to work for the Insane Clown Posse. They really, yes,
Speaker 6: they have their wacky shows in the middle of the
Speaker 6: forest or whatever the fuck they would do. This one
Speaker 6: is in cave in Rock, Illinois and he was part
Speaker 6: of a multiman match. Corporal Robinson who was a regular
Speaker 6: for the JCW guys, Scott Hall who would come out
Speaker 6: in ICP hockey Jersey and just stand around shaggy tued open,
Speaker 6: violent Jay of course, the two sides of the insane
Speaker 6: clown posse and yes, Sid Vicious who comes out to
Speaker 6: a combination of the end WO theme music and the
Speaker 6: why because they had.
Speaker 2: A j W O stable in Oh My God j
Speaker 2: c W and in the Psycho Sid music and he
Speaker 2: was a surprise.
Speaker 6: They would that's what they would do with j CW.
Speaker 6: As they would hire eighties guys and they would come
Speaker 6: in and do two moves, not unlike how Paul Haym
Speaker 6: and you Sid, you know what I mean. It wasn't
Speaker 6: like anything long term. It wasn't a contract if they
Speaker 6: worked more than once. It was just by happenstance. And
Speaker 6: again crossover with Terry Funk who told all kinds of
Speaker 6: stories about how much he loved the clowns because they
Speaker 6: paid him incredibly well well after his expiration date and
Speaker 6: left money at his house and everything to make it
Speaker 6: good to him. And here's here's Sid getting a bit
Speaker 6: of that taste in this ten person tag against a
Speaker 6: series of guys who worked as heels and in that organization,
Speaker 6: Sid and Hall were buddies. You know, we've heard Nash
Speaker 6: talk about it. They they were very close even after
Speaker 6: w W folded, and Sid has talked a little bit
Speaker 6: about kind of reaching out to Scott as he went
Speaker 6: through his struggles and offering to stay, let him.
Speaker 2: Stay, and all that.
Speaker 6: All the above, and no doubt Haul helping the psycho.
Speaker 6: One get a taste of that in seeing clown posse
Speaker 6: money and wear a baggy hockey jersey in his own right.
Speaker 6: So he got the tag. In the match, he stood
Speaker 6: there static for several minutes. He slapped a guy and
Speaker 6: choke slammed one after the other, choke slamming everybody. It's
Speaker 6: very clear what you're signing up for when you bring
Speaker 6: Sid in, especially at this point in his life and career,
Speaker 6: and that he power bombed a guy and that's that.
Speaker 6: One's for the Juggalos. Then to October of two thousand
Speaker 6: and nine, back in Illinois, he works a six man
Speaker 6: tag with Scott Hall and someone runed the Lord Humongous
Speaker 6: Gimmick against Tojo Yamamoto Junior, a wrestler named Panic, and
Speaker 6: a wrestler named Ryz Morino, and that was that was
Speaker 6: it for that run there in Illinois. He then makes
Speaker 6: a run to France, Okay, there's a company called a
Speaker 6: w R that ran a tour of France in November
Speaker 6: of two thousand and nine and Sid ends up on
Speaker 6: the tour and he wrestles XPOX several times and beats
Speaker 6: him and beats a guy named the Suicide Machine. Unbelievable
Speaker 6: Sid in France, and that's gonna go, well.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's wild.
Speaker 6: And in two thousand and nine, I mean, come on, like,
Speaker 6: how how is it worth it bringing that guy in?
Speaker 2: I really? I mean obviously they're this the you're not
Speaker 2: doing well that promotion. Also one guy, do what you can, but.
Speaker 6: One guy who was excited to see him there, because
Speaker 6: this was one of those promotions that pulled together, you know,
Speaker 6: just about anybody who was on the circuit that had
Speaker 6: just left WWE and had a bit of that name recognition.
Speaker 6: Rob van Dam was was on this tour and Rob
Speaker 6: Dandam was someone, as we talked about when we mentioned
Speaker 6: sid zcw Run, that was you know, very gregarious towards Sid,
Speaker 6: welcoming somebody that uh Rob is always good about building
Speaker 6: bridges with the prior generation. Hogan liked him in TNA
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and he was very complimentary and
Speaker 6: deferential towards Hulking and Sid was much the same way.
Speaker 6: But RVD saw the potential, despite Sid's incredible limitations at
Speaker 6: this point in time, to actually have a decent match
Speaker 6: with Sid. He saw a great challenge and working around
Speaker 6: Sid's limitations and all the things RVD can do flying
Speaker 6: around the ring to create something. But you know, you
Speaker 6: don't know if you're gonna get the chance with Sid
Speaker 6: until he gets off the plane and you study his countenance,
Speaker 6: let alone boss if he suffers another his incontinental title
Speaker 6: until But you also don't know what you're getting with
Speaker 6: Sid and what you convince him to do until you
Speaker 6: talk to him after tearing his bicep on the tour.
Speaker 6: Oh no, And if you think Sid's cranky in general,
Speaker 6: what about a torn bicep? Sid in France in two
Speaker 6: thousand and nine. Here's RVD on Renee Duprie's podcast talking
Speaker 6: about the memory. Renede de Prix was also on the tour,
Speaker 6: so you'll see him pipe in with some detail as
Speaker 6: RVD gets into the story. But this is this is
Speaker 6: the state of Sid after he had faded from the spotlight,
Speaker 6: and we'd only hear little drips and drabs about what
Speaker 6: he was doing on the indies far and wide.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm trying to figure who else was there.
Speaker 4: And I remember Sid when Sid came and then and left.
Speaker 2: Remember talk about that for a second though.
Speaker 4: So Sid hadn't been wrestling and in years and years
Speaker 4: and years, and he wanted to go back to w WE.
Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure he thought they're just doing this
Speaker 4: easy overseas tour would get his name in the sheet.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of long uh, Prima Donna
Speaker 4: has to learn. You know, you don't always get to
Speaker 4: go to the gym or get a full night sleep.
Speaker 7: You might be.
Speaker 2: Getting in late checking it. So he was pissed about
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, remember one time he got flown ahead
Speaker 4: of us and met us at the hotel.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like his first night in I think it was,
Speaker 4: he wrestled Xpot and he hit him with a clothesline.
Speaker 2: That towards bicep. Yeah, yeah, his arm was all purple.
Speaker 4: And and so for the next couple of days he
Speaker 4: was complaining about the tour, but also you know, kind
Speaker 4: of using his arm as a reason, you know, to
Speaker 4: be able to and and I saw that happening, and
Speaker 4: I was supposed to wrestle him like in a few days,
Speaker 4: and I really wanted to. I want to have a
Speaker 4: singles match with him, you know, I thought, uh, and
Speaker 4: and I could tell it. You know, he was was
Speaker 4: doing like checking out, So I was like trying to
Speaker 4: motivate him on the on the house and I, dude,
Speaker 4: know when we when we wrestle on Friday or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, you know, we're gonna setch a good match.
Speaker 4: It was like he goes, now, I don't and I'm gonna, dude,
Speaker 4: forget about your arm. Man, I got you. And then
Speaker 4: the day came for you know, and I was still
Speaker 4: trying to tell him, Bro, I'm gonna work all around
Speaker 4: you and make you look like so good. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be the best match I ever had. Let's you know,
Speaker 4: let's do this. When we got to the arena on
Speaker 4: the day that we're supposed to wrestle each other, he
Speaker 4: went and talked to the office switched everything around. So
Speaker 4: he wrestled XPOC again. And my first match, Yeah, they
Speaker 4: went out there and x Pock didn't even know he
Speaker 4: was going to do this.
Speaker 2: They right off the bat.
Speaker 4: He just kicked in the stomach and mob power bomb
Speaker 4: and then he went home.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was bombed because I wanted to work with him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Rob Jesus, you know, this is what the
Speaker 2: sound that that Sid makes when whenever he has any
Speaker 2: kind of injury, totally just looking at the injury, screaming
Speaker 2: at the injury, exactly, screaming like nobody wants to help
Speaker 2: him in that kind of situation, Like nobody wants to
Speaker 2: come near to somebody who's screaming that wildly, you know,
Speaker 2: like a wounded animal. I mean it's like, yeah, exactly, well,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's a Yeah, it's a wounded animal.
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a it's a rabbit animal. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like a funk.
Speaker 6: I don't want to It's an animal that does know
Speaker 6: the difference between someone trying to approach to help and
Speaker 6: someone trying to approach to make you hurt.
Speaker 2: Worse right, and you know what, he doesn't care. That's correct,
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 6: It's so funny that Arbady thinks like Sid can be
Speaker 6: lobbied to actually try. In two thousand and nine, he
Speaker 6: is gone, my friend, he is gone.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen the moment the moment you give him a check, right,
Speaker 2: all right? He is done? That is it? And Sid
Speaker 2: is done.
Speaker 6: And it's amazing. He's not just crushing the Jabronis who've
Speaker 6: been mentioning. I mean XPOC, you know, someone that he
Speaker 6: worked with in WWF and presumably he had a lot
Speaker 6: of respect for it, just as much tenure in this
Speaker 6: business and respecting this business as he did. Nope, he's
Speaker 6: going down to in seconds and he's getting on a plane.
Speaker 6: I just love it so much that he did that.
Speaker 6: He goes back to the aforementioned RpW promotion in Illinois
Speaker 6: in the fall of twenty ten and works another six
Speaker 6: man tag team Matchup twenty eleven, he goes over to
Speaker 6: Powerhouse Wrestling and Outfit in Auburn, Massachusetts actually and does
Speaker 6: a couple of shots. He does one of the Elks
Speaker 6: Lodge and Queens for p WS and April twenty seven eleven,
Speaker 6: where he defeated Eddie Kingston. The future a W Starr
Speaker 6: was able to share the ring with Sid at one
Speaker 6: point in time.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you go into a lodge, that's
Speaker 2: that's where the money's at. I agree, you know, I,
Speaker 2: I you know, I always whenever you say a lodge
Speaker 2: or something like that. I always think at the time
Speaker 2: I went to the Lions Club to see a Wrestling
Speaker 2: OH match and it was like a cancel because of snow.
Speaker 2: But there were like three rows of chairs, you know,
Speaker 2: around the ring. Three rows. That's it. I would have
Speaker 2: loved to have experienced that.
Speaker 6: That's where people who really love the business go out
Speaker 6: and give it. They're all yeah, and Sid certainly fit
Speaker 6: that description. But you know, it's time for the law
Speaker 6: to catch up with Sid because we've been talking about
Speaker 6: how hard he blows cushy, how high he stays and
Speaker 6: you better recall. And by now folks have been hearing
Speaker 6: the many episodes and installments of the Unwrappening the twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four TLF Christmas Show, we'll have already gotten into
Speaker 6: the episode if they've been keeping up where We opened
Speaker 6: the gift from our pal John in the UK who
Speaker 6: got us a twenty twenty five TLF wall calendar. Oh
Speaker 6: my god, desk calendar, and every month is a different
Speaker 6: mug shot of a wrestling luminary who's been arrested. And
Speaker 6: we were quite surprised, as steeped as we were at
Speaker 6: the time, Boss and Sid History to find a sid
Speaker 6: mugshot among the twelve. When did Sid get arrested?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 6: It happened in January of twenty and eleven. Wow Associated
Speaker 6: Press Dateline. Memphis wrestler Psycho Sid Udy is free on
Speaker 6: bail after being arrested in Memphis on a marijuana possession charge.
Speaker 6: Police say they pulled the fifty year old ut over
Speaker 6: Friday for not wearing a seat belt. Excuse me, sir,
Speaker 6: license and registration?
Speaker 2: Please? Why you ask it for stuff? All right?
Speaker 6: Call for backup. I mean, of all the things to
Speaker 6: come back at an officer with, why are you asking
Speaker 6: for stuff? I mean, this guy's clearly already fucked.
Speaker 12: Up, sir.
Speaker 6: We need to see some some form of identification to
Speaker 6: get a sense of whether you're a danger on the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I want you to the cop says. Okay.
Speaker 2: By the way, now I want you to look me
Speaker 2: in the eye because I want to tell you something
Speaker 2: is real simple. What you're doing right now it's bogus,
Speaker 2: the most bogus that you've ever pulled off. Now, I
Speaker 2: want to know, sir, how do you know me?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 2: Have we run into each other before? I want to
Speaker 2: know something.
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Because go ahead, sir, you pull me over. Because I'm
Speaker 2: not a big movie star like Hulk Hogan, the Great
Speaker 2: Immortal One himself. This is because I'm a newcomer. I
Speaker 2: want to tell you something right now. You couldn't arrest
Speaker 2: me on your best day. Oh really, as he fondles
Speaker 2: the handcuffs on his waist, And I couldn't arrest myself
Speaker 2: on my worst.
Speaker 6: He would say something close to that inadvertently. Of course,
Speaker 6: he'd mean something very loge right, he would, but that's
Speaker 6: how it would come out. Marijuana possession charge. Police say
Speaker 6: they pulled the fifty year old duty over Friday for
Speaker 6: not wearing a seat belt. Wmc TV in Memphis reports
Speaker 6: an officer saw a bag containing eighteen grams of marijuana
Speaker 6: on an arm rest in the car.
Speaker 2: Oh god, mister Udy.
Speaker 6: Is it okay? Looking at your license here? Arkansas? Huh
Speaker 6: West Memphis, right over the river.
Speaker 2: And got a problem with that? Not at all? No,
Speaker 2: just well you asking questions Marion? Do you live in Marion?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: Now I want to tell you something again. Now I'm rotten.
Speaker 2: Now delivering food to the poor looks like you're delivering
Speaker 2: a lot more than me. Looks like you're delivering a
Speaker 2: lot more than food. Shut it, you shut up. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: I'm delivering one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna sausages.
Speaker 2: Excuse feedrol, excuse me.
Speaker 6: Suspect says he's delivering one hundred and fifty cans of
Speaker 6: Vienna sausages. Back up to root seventy five. Please, well,
Speaker 6: I can confirm dispatch looking in this trunk. There do
Speaker 6: appear to be many cans of Vienna sausages in this trunk.
Speaker 6: So that isn't a euphemism for drugs.
Speaker 2: I gonna tell you something else.
Speaker 10: I'm giving bowl water.
Speaker 2: Sir. Just please stay on your knees on the shoulder, please,
Speaker 2: just please. I can't get on my knee, so usually
Speaker 2: stand off. I broke my leg. Tell you what off,
Speaker 2: Tell you what he tells him. Tell you what officer
Speaker 2: he started. He suddenly realizes he's fucked. Tell you what.
Speaker 2: This is all a big misunderstanding. How about this? How
Speaker 2: about I give you you Let me go. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say you autograph picture. I'll send you one, so the office.
Speaker 2: So the officer lets him go, and then six weeks
Speaker 2: later he goes down to the mailbox and he's leafing
Speaker 2: through envelopes. In one is an autograph picture. But you
Speaker 2: know what, you know it too. It's like it's it's
Speaker 2: not even like one of his one of his promo shots,
Speaker 2: like a selfie that he took that he printed up
Speaker 2: on his computer. Yeah, it's like up like up his
Speaker 2: nose like and again it's on like it's on like
Speaker 2: regular paper. It's not even on like photo paper. It's
Speaker 2: on printer paper. He never told his wife about the arrest.
Speaker 2: He's like banging on the bed because it's locked. She's like, Sid,
Speaker 2: what are you doing in there? He's taking the picture.
Speaker 2: Shut up, you better not be smoking again. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you something right now, woman, And it's real simple. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm not obligated to tell you anything. I
Speaker 2: won't do what I want. I'll do it to oh shit,
Speaker 2: and I will do and I will autograph this picture.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that I'll sometimes have to autograph pictures. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this would be a have Do I agree with that characterization?
Speaker 6: Yeah, eighteen grams of marijuana on the arm rest in
Speaker 6: the car. He also faced charges of driving without a license. Well,
Speaker 6: that will come into play later. He was released on
Speaker 6: one thousand dollars bond. Beauty of Marion was known as
Speaker 6: Sid Vicious in World Championship Wrestling and a Sid Justice
Speaker 6: and Psycho Said and the World Wrestling Federation. A message
Speaker 6: left Sunday from Memphis Police was not immediately returned. A
Speaker 6: call to listing for Sidney Uti and Marion was not answered. Well,
Speaker 6: we can believe this story because sid was never shy
Speaker 6: about talking about his oh boy affection for that stinky
Speaker 6: green and here he is on his own podcast talking
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 14: Everyone knows there's not a bigger pot smoker than myself.
Speaker 14: I like the idea that we have this, and I'm
Speaker 14: a I've got everyone knows there's not a bigger pot
Speaker 14: smoker than myself. I like the idea that we have this,
Speaker 14: and I'm a I've got my marijuana card, marijuana car
Speaker 14: here for Arkansas. I think you had better marijuana when
Speaker 14: it wasn't legalized. They're just running cheap streath through the
Speaker 14: thing right now. But I think that has to be legalized.
Speaker 14: There's just so so many upsides to it. I talked
Speaker 14: to a couple of people in the last couple of
Speaker 14: months now that I know are going through really really
Speaker 14: serious pain management programs that are really backing off their
Speaker 14: pain management because of the marijuana and the CBD all
Speaker 14: stuff like that. So we've got to get that legalized.
Speaker 2: We can't.
Speaker 14: I hope that anyone Republican or Democrat didn't take a
Speaker 14: stance on something that just you're taking a stance just
Speaker 14: because that's where your party believes. When you really know
Speaker 14: it's it's it's it could really help people. Yeah, and
Speaker 14: help the help so many of the tax but so
Speaker 14: much and they pay so much in tax you know, they.
Speaker 2: Do pay so much in taxes.
Speaker 6: And just know that, you know, if you're in a
Speaker 6: state going forward that legalizes recreational marijuana use, or if
Speaker 6: you're in a state that embraces it, or if ever
Speaker 6: the day comes boss where you know, the federal law
Speaker 6: changes to decriminalize marijuana, the day will come. And when
Speaker 6: that day comes, I want you to think of sid Okay.
Speaker 2: We'll do. And that's that. That's the legacy.
Speaker 6: He leaves behind driving without a license with eighteen grams
Speaker 6: of marijuana and plain sight. But the end is those
Speaker 6: are hidden under lock and key.
Speaker 2: Damn right. I couldn't find those if you try.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: I mentioned that the missing license thing. I highlighted that
Speaker 6: for a reason, we are now entering the point in
Speaker 6: Sid's life where it becomes essentially a meme that he
Speaker 6: misses shows, oh boy, and miss his shots for indie promoters.
Speaker 6: And these indie promoters are a little more savvy than
Speaker 6: the ones he may have tried to get one over
Speaker 6: on a decade ago, in that they know how to
Speaker 6: use social media to broadcast to people like, this is
Speaker 6: the game he's playing, this is the promises he.
Speaker 2: Made, you know, here's the proof.
Speaker 6: Here are the receipts, as they say, and this is
Speaker 6: what he said he would do, and this is what
Speaker 6: we ascertained he actually went ahead and did. And then
Speaker 6: these are the excuses he made when he didn't show up.
Speaker 6: And then patterns start to emerge across different promoters as
Speaker 6: they talk about dealing with Sid. This could be for
Speaker 6: autograph signings or wrestling matches or appearances, they're all sort
Speaker 6: of the same. And he is always citing a license thing.
Speaker 6: It's either he lost his wallet and therefore can't get
Speaker 6: on the plane, yeah, or can't you know, can't drive,
Speaker 6: or he doesn't have a license, so he they don't
Speaker 6: let him get on the plane because he doesn't have
Speaker 6: a license, or the or the license he does have.
Speaker 6: This is a good one, we'll get there. Doesn't comport
Speaker 6: with the new real ID laws, you know that don't
Speaker 6: allow necessarily a state driver's license without a passport to
Speaker 6: get on a plane. I don't know where my passport is,
Speaker 6: of course you don't. You kne where it was when
Speaker 6: you hit France a couple of years ago. But and
Speaker 6: just the missing wallet, and this, the idea of the
Speaker 6: wallet becomes central. You know how he always was so
Speaker 6: descriptive and schewting interviews about like the exact circumstances of
Speaker 6: receiving a phone call. He was very He remembered walking
Speaker 6: in the door, he remembered who answered the phone instead
Speaker 6: of him and passed him the phone. He's very much
Speaker 6: a magician when it comes to manipulating phone calls. He
Speaker 6: strategically misses right or coming up with all these for
Speaker 6: some reason, introducing all this detail about how the phone
Speaker 6: call was placed. He called, you know, he called my
Speaker 6: cousin's auto body shop, or he called me when I
Speaker 6: was just coming in the door. He's always coming in
Speaker 6: and out of the door. Sid He's always in out
Speaker 6: of the door and it's you know, we enter this
Speaker 6: modern age where promoters are comfortable going public when wrestlers
Speaker 6: screwed them over, and they have a platform if you
Speaker 6: have Facebook or whatever the case may be, to disseminate
Speaker 6: those details, and the wrestling news sites will write that
Speaker 6: up all day.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 6: Where sid his reputation for playing all these games crystallizes,
Speaker 6: and the whole house of cards falls apart. Like if
Speaker 6: you believe he got screwed once, you're like, oh, wait,
Speaker 6: he's actually he's actually claimed to have been screwed that
Speaker 6: way ten thousand times, right, Or this one promoter got
Speaker 6: in his bad side and he screwed him in no weight.
Speaker 6: There are ten thousand promoters he never once dealt with,
Speaker 6: beyond it one no show that feel the same way
Speaker 6: about him. And so this becomes fairly or unfairly, I
Speaker 6: would are you fairly? I mean he certainly I think
Speaker 6: did it enough to establish a pattern part of his
Speaker 6: tail reputation in the business towards the end of his
Speaker 6: productive years. Twelve. This is an article that was published
Speaker 6: on Wrestle's Zone. It's not so much an article as
Speaker 6: it was an email response from an independent promoter for
Speaker 6: the company pro wrestling syndicate named Eric, who emailed the
Speaker 6: website kind of an explanation of what it was like,
Speaker 6: because you know what, Eric went ahead and did. Eric
Speaker 6: hit the ring when Sid no showed his show, and
Speaker 6: he cut a scathing promo and Sid for no showing,
Speaker 6: because you know, you got to if you can't deliver
Speaker 6: the people, you don't want him ask a refund. So
Speaker 6: you go out there and try to turn the crowd
Speaker 6: on the person, right right, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: You know he does.
Speaker 6: He goes in the ring and gives the whole audience
Speaker 6: Sid's personal phone number.
Speaker 2: So they, oh my god, so they can blow him
Speaker 2: up with complaints for no showing.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that I believe Sid had had a
Speaker 6: whacky call forwarding mechanism where it was like, is it
Speaker 6: really his number? People didn't even know, mister, I don't
Speaker 6: have a computer, had like Google voice, you know, of course.
Speaker 6: And here's the email that that any promoter wrote to
Speaker 6: a wrestler's on that gives us a real uh, a
Speaker 6: real flavor.
Speaker 2: Boss.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna turn it over to you get your best,
Speaker 6: get your best indie voice on. And these are the
Speaker 6: things that they start to.
Speaker 2: So good oh my god.
Speaker 6: Hold on, uh, these are the things that start to
Speaker 6: get disseminated and things that start to get to be
Speaker 6: known about about Sid's dealings. This is from the promoter Eric,
Speaker 6: who went by Eric.
Speaker 2: Tap out.
Speaker 6: Okay, because he's comfortable with you knowing his name exactly,
Speaker 6: and go right to head boss. What did the email read?
Speaker 2: Hold on here? What is it? The Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: which one is the proto? Chris?
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, something else came into the bottom. Okay, hold
Speaker 2: on a lot here? Now where's this guy from? Who's
Speaker 2: this guy? He's the promoter of a wrestling outfit called
Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Syndicate. Hey, Chris, thanks for the email. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed your your editorial, and do not fault you in
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form for not having the full story. See,
Speaker 2: you were simply going by what you were told from
Speaker 2: a wrestler whom should be a valid, reliable source. The
Speaker 2: way we handled the SID no show was definitely a
Speaker 2: controversial move. Some will side with it, and of course, likewise,
Speaker 2: some will we vocal against. Please understand that this is
Speaker 2: our third miserable experience third with SID. Third third miserable
Speaker 2: experience with SID, which is what really pushes over the.
Speaker 6: Top, also known by the way Boss is a big misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: SID has burned us three times now. First time we
Speaker 2: had Sid booked was for May twenty eleven, said just
Speaker 2: to sign autographs at the Queen's Elks Lodge for ninety
Speaker 2: minutes before the show and wrestle against Eddie Kingston that night.
Speaker 2: Said it was paid in full. When he arrived, he
Speaker 2: was in private room with Nick Foley and Velvet Sky
Speaker 2: for autographs with a lot of two hundred plus. After
Speaker 2: legit fifteen minutes had got up, walked awayside and I
Speaker 2: don't feel like doing this anymore, going to the back.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like doing this anymore. You know what,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like doing this no more. Shut up.
Speaker 2: No one had said anything. He's just like I know
Speaker 2: you're about to say something before you say it. It's
Speaker 2: again this imagine. It's like, you know, he's sitting at
Speaker 2: a table. See I also picture I also picture the
Speaker 2: signing room like in the wrestler Oh always the ten,
Speaker 2: you know, and so he just like a you get
Speaker 2: a pale fluorescent light scheme all right overhead, pale fluorescent
Speaker 2: light scheme, and he's he's wearing a red plaid shirt
Speaker 2: tucked into his jeans baseball hat, puts his hand on
Speaker 2: the table, stands up. I'll feel like doing this no more,
Speaker 2: and everyone's like looking at him. Okay, shut I don't
Speaker 2: want no back talk, I said versus Eddie Kingston was
Speaker 2: a major letdown, and that not that anyone was expecting
Speaker 2: a five star match. However, the crowd quickly turned on
Speaker 2: and said within thirty seconds. The video of the full
Speaker 2: match can be seen here. After the match, said came
Speaker 2: to the back and said, Eric, I should have listened
Speaker 2: to you. I've been doing this a long time when
Speaker 2: I was wrong. We'll do better next time. Okay, not
Speaker 2: a problem. You fans were upset by not being able
Speaker 2: to get Sid's autograph with a sold out Elks Queen's
Speaker 2: Elk's Lodge event. He said something about no one bringing Vienna's.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell that's about, not probably
Speaker 2: the email. Therefore we tried. We decided to try it
Speaker 2: again with Sud to meet the demands of our fans.
Speaker 2: Sud was booked to compete for p WS on August twenty,
Speaker 2: twenty eleven in Ronk and Koma from Konkoma, New York.
Speaker 2: We also got SID bookings to do two hour autograph
Speaker 2: session and signings at two stories during the weekend. SID
Speaker 2: flight was not booked until two weeks before the PWS
Speaker 2: show because SID reference he did not know when he'd
Speaker 2: be returning from Africa with Kevin Sullivan. Since stated the
Speaker 2: Sullivan wanted him and wanted him in an Africa tour
Speaker 2: and did not know whether Sullivan will be flying SID
Speaker 2: directly in New York for US or back home. Sud
Speaker 2: never went to Africa. Now, I don't know. Here's the thing,
Speaker 2: I don't know where I'm going to be on with
Speaker 2: Africa US too much?
Speaker 6: Does A guy who always said I never wanted to travel,
Speaker 6: I don't want to leave the country. It's go to
Speaker 6: Africa in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh god, you know. One week before August twenty shows,
Speaker 2: said contact PWS saying he needed us to fly in
Speaker 2: his girlfriend as well just keep people happy. We agreed.
Speaker 2: A day later, she contact us again and said not
Speaker 2: to fly and his girlfriend. But since we agreed to it,
Speaker 2: to just give him the money for the flying. I
Speaker 2: don't get the problem. I don't know why it is
Speaker 2: such a bad reputation again again keep fans happy. We
Speaker 2: sucked it up and agreed two days later said contract
Speaker 2: to PWS again to go over that tenery for the weekend.
Speaker 2: At this point he said he would only do one
Speaker 2: of the two store appearances, not both, but one of
Speaker 2: the same payday as if he was doing everything in
Speaker 2: addition to the prices of his girlfriend's flying and both
Speaker 2: store appearances were heavily advertised at Dan Sherman store in
Speaker 2: Staten Island and at Royal Collectibles and Queens. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: forgot to say.
Speaker 6: Pro wrestling seem to get a as a New York promotion,
Speaker 6: I know, but I guess this guy's an Athens, Georgia.
Speaker 2: You know, listen, everyone's fine, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 2: melting pot, it's a it's a you know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: this New York. The people from everywhere, you know.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine a new you know, outside of Paul
Speaker 2: Hayman real New York are doing a wrestling promotion. It
Speaker 2: was pulled from Dan Van Sherman store again with a focus.
Speaker 2: So just let's just do whatever it takes to get
Speaker 2: Sid to PWS to ps of fans to then phone
Speaker 2: back to say that he would not do the full
Speaker 2: ninety sign the PWS. At that point, PWS explained that
Speaker 2: he agreed to do that and that's the major reason
Speaker 2: he was bringing brought in. They claimed he never agreed
Speaker 2: to do ninety minutes, but claimed he agreed to do
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. PWS refer to the details that we're in
Speaker 2: the email to sit and explain his entire itinerary in full,
Speaker 2: as well as a PWS advertise a ninety minus to
Speaker 2: meet and greed featuring Sid and others for the past
Speaker 2: several weeks. Sid said, Yeah, you know, I think we
Speaker 2: have some red flags here. You'd say that again, Sid,
Speaker 2: fucking Christ, He's fucking brilliant and this one PWS and
Speaker 2: Sid agreed that he'd be best if he stayed home.
Speaker 2: Was PWS announced. Immediately PWS ran with Dan mav versus
Speaker 2: Harry Smith Smith's post w W first post w match
Speaker 2: his said and came out of pocket. Given the first
Speaker 2: three hundred fans and ten it's a free PWS DVD
Speaker 2: to make up for Sid not being there. It's by
Speaker 2: us again. Fans were upset that Sid wasn't there. After
Speaker 2: all that, once again with PAS our fans, we decided
Speaker 2: to try one final time with Sid. Said agreed wrestle
Speaker 2: Matt Hardy on March twelve. March ninth, twenty twelve at
Speaker 2: the Rahway Center Railway rec Center. Condition Is signed autographs
Speaker 2: for two hours before we decided to keep Sid's booking
Speaker 2: short and simple. I had no store appearances or convention
Speaker 2: appearances while he was in town. PWS was approached by
Speaker 2: Kfab Commentary about their desire to do a shoot interview
Speaker 2: with Sid. After the PWS show, Sid accepted their offer.
Speaker 2: PWS was in contact with Sid on a weekly basis,
Speaker 2: making sure the specifics of his book and were fresh
Speaker 2: on his mind. Sid was very polite, courteous, respectful, and
Speaker 2: genuinely seemed like he was excited for the event, eager
Speaker 2: to wrestle Matt Hardy. We had zero reason to believe
Speaker 2: Sid would believe Sid would nothing, but was nothing but
Speaker 2: a pleasure to work with. Based on these conversations, PWS
Speaker 2: spoke to Sit at nine to forty five in March eighth.
Speaker 2: Sid knew he had to catch a flight with six
Speaker 2: ams in the LaGuardia with a transfer Chicago O'Hare, and
Speaker 2: knew that a gentleman driving a black Homer would would
Speaker 2: be picking up at the gate. SID was to land
Speaker 2: at one pm in New York. At ten forty five
Speaker 2: am on Friday, March nine, PBS received a phone call
Speaker 2: from Sid which one as follows, Man, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: make it. We had an awkward pause waiting from to say, Hey,
Speaker 2: just kidding, what's wrong you okay? Man? Thing is I
Speaker 2: went into a Dead Boy soda and someone stole my wallet.
Speaker 2: There we go there it is. That's it written in there,
Speaker 2: you know the damn it's written in there. It is
Speaker 2: it isn't there. That's true. Yeah, it's in there. I
Speaker 2: wasn't doing that. That is actually in there in all caps.
Speaker 2: Damn it. He went in to buy a soda full grown, man,
Speaker 2: I want to do it by soda, and someone stole
Speaker 2: my walk like its gonna fucking steal his water. Like
Speaker 2: even though even though he's fucking even though I know
Speaker 2: he's basically a cripple, he's still fucking what six '
Speaker 2: ten whatever he is, Like, no one's gonna touch this
Speaker 2: fucking monster, all right, He's he's still a very you know,
Speaker 2: he feels aggressive. Right again, if you're looking at pickpock,
Speaker 2: doing nothing makes you feel uncomfortable with this. You just
Speaker 2: said that. I mean, if you're gonna pickpocket someone, if
Speaker 2: you leave the house to pickpocket someone, you're gonna skip SID. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah right, exactly. Wow, that's really horrible. Where are you now?
Speaker 2: I'm home now, I got a wasted day. Call and
Speaker 2: cancel my credit cards. Uh is there any way possible
Speaker 2: we can book you on a later flight and get
Speaker 2: you in New Jersey tonight? They stole my idea, I
Speaker 2: can't you know. I'll talk to you and call. Oh
Speaker 2: it's a good one, man, I gotta get into him.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I lost my wallet in El
Speaker 2: Segundo exactly like a fucking oh god. Well no, someone
Speaker 2: stole my wallet off the counter. I guess yeah. PW
Speaker 2: has tried diligently replaced Sid. We immediately began rapid firing calls.
Speaker 2: Ken Anderson was contacted, but he was in Kentucky for
Speaker 2: a TNA house show. John Morrison was contact, was unable
Speaker 2: to do PWSD to a private sign in NYC. TNA's
Speaker 2: Bob Ryder was contact. Nobody available. Ess Promotions, Eric Sims,
Speaker 2: Same Deal, Kevin Steen, Jy Briscoe, Homicide MVP all received
Speaker 2: calls as well. We were willing to make take on
Speaker 2: multiple names to replace SID. Besides, the best move we
Speaker 2: could have we could make was Jay Lethal Balls, Maahone,
Speaker 2: Martin Jenny All wrestling on the event. We had little
Speaker 2: time and not a lot of options. The Pro Wrestling
Speaker 2: syndic At Supercard twenty twelve event open with Pat Buck
Speaker 2: in the ring explaining exactly what happened with Sid. Sid's
Speaker 2: phone was called from the ring and it went to
Speaker 2: voicemail while fans chanted their thoughts on side. The phone
Speaker 2: number was quickly read. Because we did not want anyone
Speaker 2: to think we were pulling a stunt by false advertising SID.
Speaker 2: It would have been very simple for anyone to turn
Speaker 2: around and say, yeah, that's right. They probably called Domino's
Speaker 2: Pietz and I said, Vicious right, you know what, give
Speaker 2: that away? When they answered and said Dominos right, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're gonna put it on speaker, you
Speaker 2: don't actually need to give away the phone number. You
Speaker 2: can just wait for the voicemail or someone to pick up.
Speaker 2: But you know, after all we have been through, was said,
Speaker 2: we wanted to extinguish any shadow of a doubt in
Speaker 2: anyone's mind about the situation right, PW has offered a
Speaker 2: refund anyone in attendance, and nobody accepted. During an admission
Speaker 2: of the show, Pat Buck and myself encountered three fans
Speaker 2: of the lobby area that were on the concession stand
Speaker 2: line and there were verbally upset about sid not being
Speaker 2: on the show. They said they felt cheated, and Pat
Speaker 2: Bucking myself asked them how much they paid for their tickets.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't I mean, wouldn't you know how much the tickets were?
Speaker 2: It's your show? Well, since you're asking two thousand dollars, well,
Speaker 2: we were told twenty dollars each. With sixty dollars cash
Speaker 2: in hand, we offer them full refund, saying you know
Speaker 2: you've just seen half a show of good wrestling for free. Curious,
Speaker 2: you're sixty dollars back and they decline. PWS, I'll hold
Speaker 2: you over right until the bank reopens. I'll tell and
Speaker 2: we give you sixty dollars. I'll hold you over to
Speaker 2: the bank. H I'll take two hundred dollars. Nold on,
Speaker 2: Hold Hold a minute, Hold a minute. You understand your
Speaker 2: money's not here. Not this thing all wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker 2: Your money's not here. Your money's in a OL's house.
Speaker 2: Your money's in Sid's house, in this house here in
Speaker 2: the building tonight. That's right. Your money's in the house
Speaker 2: that drew and the hols of seven gables and pws.
Speaker 2: But does believe in keeping things professional. We would never
Speaker 2: give out personal information on anyone unless there was an
Speaker 2: extreme circumstance like this, like this, and we just we've
Speaker 2: viewed the situation with Sid as just as being just
Speaker 2: that an extreme circumstance. For instance, zem Zema i On
Speaker 2: legit had car problems driving from Westerrginia, New Jersey in
Speaker 2: March ninth. We know Zimma was being honest them. I
Speaker 2: On is one of the nicest and most humble wrestlers
Speaker 2: we've ever had on the pleasure pleasure working with. What's
Speaker 2: your problem? You're I don't know who the zema Ion is,
Speaker 2: but clearly not from the generation that sids from right
Speaker 2: exactly right. That's your That's your biggest fucking blunder is
Speaker 2: that you're taking the word to somebody who who you know,
Speaker 2: this whole death, whole generation of wrestler. You cannot take
Speaker 2: their word. In case the m i On it was unfortunate.
Speaker 2: He couldn't be there in March nine for PWS, but
Speaker 2: its said he was at the p w SHO on
Speaker 2: May fourth. Have the same venuine raulway, simple, no problem,
Speaker 2: easy breezy. Once again, we apologize that Sid was not
Speaker 2: a PWS in March ninth, Think Wressell a Hardy. We tried, guys,
Speaker 2: it really did multiple times. Ball's Mahony versus Mark Jenny
Speaker 2: was added so fans because still experience a match that
Speaker 2: has never happened before, because that's when everyone fucking wanted, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone was really excited about that. That's what That's the
Speaker 2: one We've all been fucking clamoring for. Ball's Mahony versus
Speaker 2: Marty Jeannetti. I can't believe they showed up either. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: he's Marty. You know I like this, you know I
Speaker 2: matched that has never happened before, and like it will
Speaker 2: never happen again. You get that right? Yeah? Jay Jay
Speaker 2: Lethal was added wrestling Matt Hardy, which ended up being
Speaker 2: a stellar bout and which saw Lethal enter to Sid's music,
Speaker 2: doing a spot on Sid impersonation, including his own rendition
Speaker 2: of the infamous I have half the brain that you
Speaker 2: do promo.
Speaker 6: If anyone can find it. I really appreciate it's a
Speaker 6: dead YouTube link. Now, a lot of this stuff was
Speaker 6: blasted out at the time and has since been taken down.
Speaker 6: Probably Sid, Sid's lawyer gun on the phone. But yeah, right,
Speaker 6: I'd love to see Jay.
Speaker 2: Lethal's uh, you know, chip Onto sh Older ciinimitation God. Yes,
Speaker 2: that would be absolutely amazing. After all this perhaps the
Speaker 2: most complexing thing the t pws that fans have to
Speaker 2: contacted us asking will Sid be at the next show? Right, Hurts.
Speaker 6: It comes down to that, And that's a great note
Speaker 6: there from from the promoter, Like we went through all this,
Speaker 6: We're the company that gave out Sid's cell phone number
Speaker 6: and called him in the ring when he know showed
Speaker 6: And what's the What's the thing people ask most about
Speaker 6: after all this went down? So is he going to
Speaker 6: come to the next show?
Speaker 2: When should come on the next show? What's wrong with
Speaker 2: these wrestling gus man? Like, you know this thing? I
Speaker 2: don't listen, I get it. You know, the fucking business
Speaker 2: is a fucking business, you know. So I'm not going
Speaker 2: to tell you. You know, I don't take a reform when
Speaker 2: I still watch him fucking wrestling in the ring, you know,
Speaker 2: but when Sid come back, he said, huhm h, I
Speaker 2: just I have no I have no I don't answer
Speaker 2: for you, sir at this time. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: obliged to say. I'm not at liberty to say. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I'mbarrassed. What do you
Speaker 2: mean you don't know, sir? I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know. He's not going to be here. She's gonna
Speaker 2: fucking be I mean, I came here to see fucking Sid, Sir.
Speaker 2: He wasn't advertised to be here today. We haven't. We
Speaker 2: haven't been in contact with him since, right, We've made
Speaker 2: the decision to break off. What do you mean you
Speaker 2: you just cut him off and you're gonna let us fans?
Speaker 2: Fucking what's your problem? I haven't seen him in years.
Speaker 2: I a huge fan of his. I'm a big fucking
Speaker 2: Sid fan. I was at the garden when he won
Speaker 2: the belt. I was there. I was the fucking you know,
Speaker 2: So what are you doing? I want to shake man's hand.
Speaker 2: I have ship from auto graph and selling me. Why
Speaker 2: are you fucking with me? Right exactly? Why are you
Speaker 2: fucking with me by not reaching back out to Sid?
Speaker 2: After he know showed sure, I'm not well, hold on,
Speaker 2: he said, why are you fucking with me? Me? I sure,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, you sure, I'm not fucking with you. I'm
Speaker 2: not all right. I just you know, we've been we've
Speaker 2: been burned by said, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: burn you ship here we go. I want to fucking
Speaker 2: burn your whole place down. How about that, sir? Please
Speaker 2: don't do that. Six hours later, the fan gets back
Speaker 2: to his house. How to go? Did you tell him?
Speaker 2: Did you tell him not to burn the place down?
Speaker 2: Sid work in an angle he found out about what
Speaker 2: they said about him. Yeah, yeah, I told him that, dad, Frank, Frank,
Speaker 2: you did a good job. Maybe proud for once, for
Speaker 2: instant If you made me proud on the way home,
Speaker 2: that's more important. More importantly, did you delivered the Vienna's
Speaker 2: the Saint Patrick's? No got it? He says no.
Speaker 6: He doesn't even say oh I forgot, or doesn't said
Speaker 6: what are you talking about? He goes, no, I wonder
Speaker 6: he's so frustrated as this kid Saint Patrick's Cathedral in
Speaker 6: New York City. You mean he's gonna leave like sixteen
Speaker 6: boxes of Vienna's on the front stoop of Saint Patrick's said,
Speaker 6: they don't all have pop top events.
Speaker 2: I was gonna give Bishop an autograph picture walking around
Speaker 2: trying to hawk autograph pictures in Midtown. You understand, I
Speaker 2: got so many fucking pictures. It has to be over
Speaker 2: in New York. First down, New York. I think you
Speaker 2: understand what New York means to me. I'm sorry, dad,
Speaker 2: we stopped speaking with a stupid fucking accident from New York.
Speaker 2: Stop being a bitch. Did you do it?
Speaker 6: Did you go up to the promoter and say, why
Speaker 6: are you fucking with me? His sid wants to know
Speaker 6: if he's gonna get booked again so we could do
Speaker 6: it again, So we.
Speaker 2: Can do it again. This guy keep this game going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Erica, you have to fly my girlfriend
Speaker 2: over and all right, fine, I don't know. He keeps going.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, here's the thing. Now, I lost my
Speaker 2: wallet stolen. That's what happened. I was going in Delhi.
Speaker 2: I was getting a package of bubble gum. Oh, I'm sorry, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. I got my package of
Speaker 2: bubble cow and okay, and how to go from there? Said?
Speaker 2: Tell me the exact story about how you lost your wallet.
Speaker 2: I really want to lose like a stolen God comp
Speaker 2: me with a gun behind my head, Oh, he said Sid,
Speaker 2: He said, Sid, give me your fucking wallet. He knew
Speaker 2: you by name. Huh And what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, gun back my head.
Speaker 6: So if this happens, said, I'd imagine if I called
Speaker 6: Memphis police, they would confirm it.
Speaker 2: Right, you can call anybody you want, they'll confirm me.
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha.
Speaker 6: And at the end he goes, so, just just so
Speaker 6: we are on the same page, Eric, who are you
Speaker 6: gonna call? And like before he calls him, Sid calls him,
Speaker 6: you'd listen to me right now.
Speaker 2: They listen to me right now. I want you to
Speaker 2: understand something you make that call, bad things gonna happen.
Speaker 6: You can call anybody you want and they'll confirm it.
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you one thing. If you make those calls,
Speaker 6: bad things are gonna happen. So okay, let's go back
Speaker 6: to the story. Then said, I won't call anybody. I'll
Speaker 6: take your word for it. I mean, you've been missed
Speaker 6: an upfront with us. So a guy just walked up
Speaker 6: this mus have been horrifying. You guys walked up to
Speaker 6: you and what stuck a gun in your back or something?
Speaker 2: Going to tell you were struck a gun. That's called
Speaker 2: Franklin on your business. What happened was he struck a
Speaker 2: gun and he said, sid, I'm taking your wallet. It
Speaker 2: is so funny that he refuses to specify where the
Speaker 2: gun was, like like, that's like that's something to withhold.
Speaker 2: There's any reason whatsoever to make that the the withheld detail,
Speaker 2: like and there's no way you know, and it's like nothing,
Speaker 2: you know, you can say whatever he wanted to exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's all he gets a risk
Speaker 2: to tell the truth about that. It's okay.
Speaker 6: And then what happened He put the gun and then
Speaker 6: you just gave him your wallet.
Speaker 2: He put the gun because he say he's gonna shoot me.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've ever been threatened not that before, but I have.
Speaker 2: And I got a broken leg and I don't have
Speaker 2: what I had when I was younger because my leg
Speaker 2: snapped in half. And so I said, he knew what
Speaker 2: I didn't want. There are other people in the deli,
Speaker 2: people eating food. I said, I'm looking. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to risk the safety of others. And they're all looking.
Speaker 2: They all saw the gun in my back right? Oh true?
Speaker 2: Oh what was your back? Okay, behind me? Thanks for
Speaker 2: confirming that I was wondering. They said, I didn't say
Speaker 2: my back, Yes you did, I said in back of me.
Speaker 2: Oh you said in your back in my back of me?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Sorry, I must have been heard somehow. I
Speaker 2: always find myself doing that when I'm on the phone
Speaker 2: with you. And then what you don't understand, and what
Speaker 2: you don't know is that there were three others. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: so this is is more to this than I thought.
Speaker 2: What happens? Then you had three people guns aiming everywhere
Speaker 2: different parts of my body. They repelled from the ceiling
Speaker 2: like the cops and Christmas vacation when he and suddenly
Speaker 2: the whole the whole day was surrounded by guns. And
Speaker 2: so I was forced be on a shadow of doubt,
Speaker 2: hand over my wallet on my identification, and now I
Speaker 2: have to spend the next day casting credit cards and
Speaker 2: castling my library card. Yeah, I guess God fed the
Speaker 2: thieves take out a fucking you know Pardi Boys novel.
Speaker 2: I'd say, I'm want to you right now, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you something real simple. I'm not gonna be paying
Speaker 2: fines for someone else taking the library cards. That's my
Speaker 2: name exactly.
Speaker 6: That's how he's been victimized by that before. It's not
Speaker 6: gonna happen again, he said. He said, taking library cards out.
Speaker 2: With my name not book.
Speaker 6: Said, Oh, well, you know, Sid, I'm glad we talked
Speaker 6: it out because at the end of the day, I'm
Speaker 6: frustrated that you're not here. But it sounds like you
Speaker 6: did the honorable thing.
Speaker 2: You fuck with me, great response, he sniffs. He sniffs
Speaker 2: an opportunity to turn it around, because right because if
Speaker 2: he takes this chance to make it like like he's
Speaker 2: like he's been offended, then like he he can just
Speaker 2: talk his way around any further inquiry about, you know,
Speaker 2: the betrayal. That's tremendous stuff. He would totally do that.
Speaker 2: I'm insulted. At the end of the day, I'm insulted,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering why he's doing this to me. Why
Speaker 2: do I have to get in all this detail with you?
Speaker 2: What entitles you to this level of details? If I
Speaker 2: prove my ID, have I not been thrown enough. Have
Speaker 2: I not? Have I not just give you my word
Speaker 2: every time? Do is my word mean nothing? What is
Speaker 2: it about you? Oh mm hmm? What it's about you?
Speaker 2: In trust? Yeah? I'm a good Christian. I'm a good
Speaker 2: Christian man. I do things the way God intended. And
Speaker 2: what a God intend for you? Right, I'm more importantly
Speaker 2: what a God intend for me to do? You you want
Speaker 2: me come New York? If you want me to come here,
Speaker 2: I'll do that right now, and I will break things.
Speaker 2: Send me your address, send me your address, send where
Speaker 2: you live. I'll fuck you up.
Speaker 6: Oh ship, He's not he's he's not even like being,
Speaker 6: you know, ephimistic about it anymore. He's just saying he's
Speaker 6: gonna fuck you up. Call the cops, go ahead, do it.
Speaker 2: You want to call police on me, fine, I won't.
Speaker 6: Show up right and I'll tell him I was just
Speaker 6: a gunpoint and two hours ago, and this guy's give
Speaker 6: me a hard time.
Speaker 2: I want to say this. I told this guy exactly
Speaker 2: what happened. I told him now. I was a gunpoint by.
Speaker 6: Eighty men, and I saved all those lives in that deli,
Speaker 6: And now you're coming around trying.
Speaker 2: To I'm a Goddamn, he wrote, this guy's giving me
Speaker 2: a hard time.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of stress this man's ever
Speaker 2: been under, but I doubt I doubt he's ever had
Speaker 2: a gun. Let a litone eighty guns aimed at it,
Speaker 2: at various parts of his body. Eighty start counting one,
Speaker 2: two and get to eighty, and then so many guns
Speaker 2: there are. I mean, like your entire body would be
Speaker 2: covered with like fifteen, you know, let alone eighty. Just
Speaker 2: and all those people bring all that firepowers, they could
Speaker 2: dig one guy's wallet exactly because they know exactly who
Speaker 2: wa it was. They knew then he knows sids wallet,
Speaker 2: and they knew that Sid's wallet rules the world. And
Speaker 2: before I got hit in the head with a shot,
Speaker 2: I handed it over and I wouldn't going to let
Speaker 2: my head be hit with a shot.
Speaker 6: You heard in that story and that email from the promoter,
Speaker 6: that part of the gig was that Sid was to
Speaker 6: do a taping for k Fabe Commentaries. He has never
Speaker 6: done a shoot interview for that outfit. He's done some,
Speaker 6: as we mentioned for our video and Hannibal and Sean Oliver,
Speaker 6: of course, was the proprietor and creator of k fape
Speaker 6: commentaries these days co hosts Kevin Nash's podcast, and he
Speaker 6: did a book which is actually a pretty terrific little
Speaker 6: book about putting together a shoot interview, a wrestling shoot, interview, business,
Speaker 6: DVD mail order business.
Speaker 2: It's amazing and how.
Speaker 6: Many, uh, how many wild and crazy stories you have
Speaker 6: trying to corral these carnies.
Speaker 2: For sure, I can imagine, Oh my.
Speaker 6: God, and that it's called k fabe stories you're not
Speaker 6: supposed to hear from a pro wrestling production cony owner.
Speaker 6: And he talks about this moment with Sid. We also,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to do this accent. I could try it.
Speaker 6: We also had an episode of Breaking Kfabe Ready to
Speaker 6: Go for Sid Vicious If you remember, that series focuses
Speaker 6: on the people behind the wrestling personas a large part
Speaker 6: of Sid's show was written to focus on the pervasive
Speaker 6: notion that Sid was problematic to hire. From a talent standpoint,
Speaker 6: Sid was a test tube pro wrestler. He had the
Speaker 6: perfect look. He was huge, chiseled monster. His promos, while
Speaker 6: sometimes clumsy, were loaded with intensity. According to the Checklist,
Speaker 6: Sid should have been one of the biggest stars ever
Speaker 6: and should have worked far longer than he did. Sid's
Speaker 6: great look and intensity aside, he began to be seen
Speaker 6: as unreliable. He reportedly no showed gigs. He has lost
Speaker 6: dates during softball season due to his passion for the sport.
Speaker 6: When the hell is? When the hell is softball season?
Speaker 6: Great question? It's a good question.
Speaker 2: Sid had done to shoot. This is a great question.
Speaker 6: Sid had done to shoot interview with another company before,
Speaker 6: but outside some podcasts, not appeared on a shoot program
Speaker 6: in some time. We thought this would be a good
Speaker 6: get for us, but talking about the upcoming booking was
Speaker 6: always accompanied by a disclaimer about the great possibility that
Speaker 6: this wouldn't happen. I'm always one to give someone the
Speaker 6: benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: Now I want to tell you some right now. The
Speaker 2: one thing I can promise you is that this may
Speaker 2: not happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is a promise it is prepared to make,
Speaker 6: can confirm. So through the frivolity, we pressed on and
Speaker 6: were ready to go. The suite was booked, contractors hired,
Speaker 6: show written, and my soup pressed and in the garment bag.
Speaker 6: Around eleven am on the day we were to shoot,
Speaker 6: I got a text from another shoot producer letting me
Speaker 6: know as a courtesy that he heard Sid was not
Speaker 6: on the plane.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: I immediately texted the promoter through whom we booked Sid.
Speaker 6: He said he didn't have details yet, he'd get back
Speaker 6: to me. Well, that's sure, a shit didn't sound like
Speaker 6: Sid's on the flight, and we'll be here in a
Speaker 6: couple of hours. I waited impatiently for the promoter who
Speaker 6: had Sid advertised to headline two days of shows for
Speaker 6: his company to call with news. He got back to
Speaker 6: me with the inevitable and an explanation from Sid. Mister
Speaker 6: Vicious would not be boarding a flight that day.
Speaker 2: He did not be. That's right, and damn right.
Speaker 6: Seems he lost his wallet at the airport and wouldn't
Speaker 6: be able to fly. I was because this this was lost.
Speaker 2: At the airport. God loss at the airport.
Speaker 6: That one's coming to, not that morning, not two hours
Speaker 6: from then, and I guess not at all. He had
Speaker 6: to get right to work finding the wallet and straightening
Speaker 6: up the ramifications of its loss. Our loss was negligible.
Speaker 6: We didn't pay anything. I canceled the suite, told our
Speaker 6: contractors there was no payday that weekend, and scratched the
Speaker 6: show from the release calendar. No Loss really just no.
Speaker 1: Sid a laptand wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack N. Carn Seo,
Speaker 1: MJP Soro.
Speaker 6: Wow, so I think we have our working title No
Speaker 6: Loss really just knows it And now no No maybe
Speaker 6: he started to get all shady about these indie shots
Speaker 6: because WWE was actually suddenly like actually entertaining, bringing him
Speaker 6: in for the first time after all these years as
Speaker 6: part of the Raw one thousand festivities we've been talking about.
Speaker 6: I'm going to provide you boss with a link and
Speaker 6: anybody out there in the Solar system can find the
Speaker 6: same file this on YouTube. There's a couple of versions
Speaker 6: of this. One is clearly transferred over from the actual broadcast.
Speaker 6: It's not the WWE YouTube account one, which is you know,
Speaker 6: much better quality. However, that cuts out a lot of
Speaker 6: important things sure from the segment. So this is going
Speaker 6: to kind of set the table of how ww was
Speaker 6: bringing any guys of Sid's vintage around this time to
Speaker 6: commemorate Raw one thousand and using Heath Slater as kind
Speaker 6: of the mouthpiece that would talk it up and then
Speaker 6: get beat down, And here it is, after all those years,
Speaker 6: and after it seems such a such a dead issue
Speaker 6: with the injury and everything. Sid returns to the WW
Speaker 6: spotlight one more time. The video is Heath's Slater versus Psycho.
Speaker 6: Sid return in parenthesis and Boss, when you have it up,
Speaker 6: let me know.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. All right, let's let it roll in three
Speaker 2: to one play.
Speaker 3: Cooperstars for the past are maybe their return two weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Who would ever forget the appearance by the well, the
Speaker 3: mask on No, it is.
Speaker 2: Vader, Look at Vader, look at him by the door
Speaker 2: going up with a nag Vander Ball. And then last
Speaker 2: week it was the Sad Sack Foley. It calls sad Sack. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they got called to call him sad Sack. And then
Speaker 2: he called Roddy Piper decrepit.
Speaker 16: Hor Everybody love seeing the hot Rod back in action.
Speaker 3: Probably not another superstar who we're told man Veal Ganda battle.
Speaker 6: A superstar who hasn't been on Raw in fifteen years.
Speaker 6: As we go to break, we Come Back.
Speaker 17: Contest features a former Raw main eventnor It's the Honor
Speaker 17: The one thousand episode of Monday Night Raw, July twenty third,
Speaker 17: please welcome former two times.
Speaker 2: I love this guy. What do you love about this
Speaker 2: guy who's the one man of rock Bad. He's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, the guy, the guy that seems to.
Speaker 3: Think that all our horler raw Man should be put out.
Speaker 2: The fast and stated what a goof not like the
Speaker 2: great saying boys instrument, crowd's going nuts.
Speaker 6: This was during Michael Cole's healed Yes, Yes, that's I
Speaker 6: keep saying. It's why he keeps degrading the legends and
Speaker 6: they always can hide behind you know him being it's
Speaker 6: just a heel.
Speaker 2: Say that Piper is a pitch exactly. Say you're seeing
Speaker 2: like a bird.
Speaker 8: Like a vulture.
Speaker 2: Cindy Lauper there, Yeah, Wendy Richter and Wendy Richter then
Speaker 2: brought back Wendy, you think all these all these former
Speaker 2: RAW appearance Yeah, Wendy meant so much to Raw, didn't.
Speaker 3: She said earlier he was pretty as a picture.
Speaker 2: So Cindy Lapper framed him an autograph picture one man, Ye,
Speaker 2: look at his hair? What Vader.
Speaker 12: I don't care your Roddy Piper thinks about me. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I am one of the top superstars on RAW. I
Speaker 12: am He's Slater.
Speaker 18: And ah rule the world.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh man, I said, ah, because I miss
Speaker 2: a music cue.
Speaker 11: Whoa wait just a minute, look at this.
Speaker 2: Describe what you see, please, Oh my god, Peter, it
Speaker 2: comes out. He's got jeans, he's wearing a vest, He's
Speaker 2: got knee pads over his jeans. He looks like an
Speaker 2: eighty year old man. He get into year old man.
Speaker 2: Let me like like that. Terry Funk looks younger than him.
Speaker 2: He used to call himself two times. I mean, his
Speaker 2: hair is a disaster, just fucking He thinks this is
Speaker 2: the start of a run, and oh, he definitely does.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's getting world titled by everyone's gonna agree
Speaker 2: to take a power bomb and all that. Basic Man
Speaker 2: promised to be a main event with Hulk Hogan wrestle
Speaker 2: Mania teen years later. Michael Cole will call that June nine,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. I think of July ninth. But you
Speaker 2: know what, they're still fucking going for him. Yep. I
Speaker 2: want you to focus on that too.
Speaker 3: It was part of a million dollar corporation. He won
Speaker 3: his first championship in the nineteen ninety six Survivor.
Speaker 2: Series Dye Jeans. Listen to those people, yep. One man
Speaker 2: shocking throws his open hand on on Heath Slater's throat and.
Speaker 6: Just standing around from West Memphis.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's kicking him. Was it his bad leg though?
Speaker 6: Who sets him on the top rope with a double
Speaker 6: goosele and slaps him.
Speaker 2: Jesus out of the apron. He's doing nothing, He's doing nothing.
Speaker 2: He lifts him up. Oh, the worst spinebuster in the history.
Speaker 2: Just move after move with no nothing in between. Oh,
Speaker 2: he misses the right hand. He goes to the bad
Speaker 2: psychology said false. He's down on all both knees. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's selling all right. He gets up, hells over with
Speaker 2: the clothesline, just takes his head off. It looks like
Speaker 2: an old farmer. He drops a leg.
Speaker 16: Get here, Psycho call spots Patten did release power bomb?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Michael Cole said, oh he did. Look he
Speaker 2: puts his hand on his chest. Oh, he definitely thinks
Speaker 2: he's getting a run. Psycho sick. Is this for deacent?
Speaker 2: Serious tuning? And that man is he looks absolutely spent
Speaker 2: rona celebrator?
Speaker 7: What time this episode?
Speaker 2: And he knocks on the one man rock Man eats lighter.
Speaker 2: Well he's a little older, but.
Speaker 15: He still Psycho.
Speaker 1: I hope he does come over here.
Speaker 2: Hey from Psycho to Beautiful Superstars, Psycho said, Psycho said, still.
Speaker 6: Psycho said, takes me all the way back to what
Speaker 6: great American Bash eighty nine? Yeah, just the sight of him,
Speaker 6: and they can't stop chanting his name even after all
Speaker 6: these years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he looks like a guy.
Speaker 6: He looks like a guy who showed up to complain
Speaker 6: that his property tax bill is too high.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Absolutely, he does not look like a
Speaker 2: wrestler anymore. No, he is definitely.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He listen, he is upset because he his farm is
Speaker 2: losing money, right, all right, government overreach. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: he's a guy that says that with a straight face.
Speaker 2: That's that's where he's at in life. And he and
Speaker 2: he and he, you know, he just he just looks
Speaker 2: like a guy who is now just a citizen, you.
Speaker 6: Know, exactly, and he's no longer special. And you know,
Speaker 6: he reflected favorably on the experience he was asked about
Speaker 6: on his podcast, and he said it was fun for
Speaker 6: what it was. He says, I think you know there
Speaker 6: was some indies and they.
Speaker 2: Told me I was going to get a run. I
Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't know exactly what happened, because
Speaker 2: they told me, you know, they said, Sidy, you come
Speaker 2: in here, you win the match. If you win the match,
Speaker 2: he would give you a possible run. I thought the
Speaker 2: phone was going to ring. I was waiting for the
Speaker 2: phone around. It's not a contract or.
Speaker 6: Sid again walking in the door, absolutely refusing to do
Speaker 6: anything but powerbomb one two three, exactly tremendous. Oh, she said,
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it a lot s later. It's a great
Speaker 6: guy to work with, and he made it a totally
Speaker 6: night totally a night off.
Speaker 2: Well he did. He did come back. He came back
Speaker 2: a wrong wrong one thousand. Oh. The show itself, okay,
Speaker 2: do you stand in the ring? I kind of remember this.
Speaker 2: He was reading it here. So on July twenty third,
Speaker 2: he he helped Lita take down Heath Slater, so a
Speaker 2: bunch of them all came out. It was yeah, Sid,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the picture now on Wikipedia. Sid Rakishi, Piper, DDP,
Speaker 2: Bob Beckland, Slaughter, Farouk, jbl Animal and Voder.
Speaker 6: It was like an ensemble. Yeah, I remember him being
Speaker 6: in an ensemble scene.
Speaker 2: Now that you say that, I mean he's looking at
Speaker 2: it he's like he just pissed off, and he's not.
Speaker 2: When you look at his face, he looks like a
Speaker 2: complete Oh he's just not even there. It's just a
Speaker 2: background character. It's not what he showed up for.
Speaker 6: He's got to be made a bentner, all right, sole
Speaker 6: focus can't even be in a tag team or stately.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I was just going through matches and that's
Speaker 6: not a match.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right. So there he is.
Speaker 6: And you know they asked him once about, you know,
Speaker 6: what he thought about the reception he got in the back.
Speaker 6: He said, you know, it was a really good reception
Speaker 6: in the back. Everybody was real respectful. A couple of
Speaker 6: guys I knew, younger guys they were again said a
Speaker 6: few things. I won't say what, but just really nice
Speaker 6: to hear. I had a lot of respect for those
Speaker 6: guys as well.
Speaker 2: Why he won't say if it's nice to hear, what's wrong?
Speaker 19: What do you?
Speaker 6: I'm just I say that only to illustrate the classicness
Speaker 6: of Sid. Every time he puts his mouth, it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: that was that was actually a pleasant experience and a
Speaker 6: pleasant response.
Speaker 2: All there it is.
Speaker 6: There's the twist at the end, where he was kind
Speaker 6: of aggrieved and somehow it insulted by the whole thing.
Speaker 6: But no, he says it was a good experience all around.
Speaker 6: One thing he did note, though, about the changes in
Speaker 6: the business and the company when he went back for
Speaker 6: this twenty twelve stint, if you want to call it,
Speaker 6: that was that he just couldn't survive in the way
Speaker 6: that everything was set up back then at that time period.
Speaker 13: I think the scriptive part.
Speaker 20: And I was a part of that anniversary show several
Speaker 20: years ago, and man, I'm telling you, everybody's there is unhappy.
Speaker 19: No.
Speaker 15: I remember he Slater, he had to do an interview.
Speaker 15: He woulted to change like one little word.
Speaker 20: And if he would have changed that one word, just
Speaker 20: phrased it a little bit, it would have been a
Speaker 20: better interview. But he was scared to do that because
Speaker 20: he would have got in trouble. Now, if I'd been
Speaker 20: in that spot and it being a live TV I
Speaker 20: would have changed it because I knew I would have
Speaker 20: got myself over a lot of times, like the wwe
Speaker 20: don't have things set up for you, we don't get over,
Speaker 20: And I think that's a big mistake.
Speaker 2: Let the people get over.
Speaker 15: That can get over.
Speaker 6: Oh, he would have just been Wow. He would have
Speaker 6: been such a peach to work with you. When Brian
Speaker 6: Wert's hands on a script or something, you know, it
Speaker 6: would have been just great. I can't imagine why they
Speaker 6: didn't call him. Maybe it was that perspective, or maybe
Speaker 6: it was this. Maybe it was in the shoot interview
Speaker 6: he first did with RF video shortly after leaving WWFN
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety seven. This is early in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 6: He's doing this, and he's flirting with the idea of
Speaker 6: going to WCW and talking about playing both sides off
Speaker 6: of each other, and he would soften this story in
Speaker 6: future shoots and kind of anonymize who it was Boss
Speaker 6: that he pictured conquering when he got to the top
Speaker 6: of one of his famous bleacher runs as parker board workout.
Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to this, and then you tell
Speaker 6: me why after this underwhelming appearance in twenty twelve, maybe
Speaker 6: Sid's phone didn't ring with the two oh three area code.
Speaker 21: I wake up every morning morning Monday through Friday at
Speaker 21: four o'clock and at twoes to five, I'm working out
Speaker 21: my first workout. Then from there I take a shower,
Speaker 21: I go to my second workout and then I run
Speaker 21: bleachers at nine thirty when I top moth foot touches
Speaker 21: at the top of that bleacher. Every time, that's Vince
Speaker 21: in one of these days.
Speaker 19: The same thing about is I'll outlive Vince, and I'll
Speaker 19: outlive I will rustle longer than his ring too, so
Speaker 19: I'll have the last word.
Speaker 21: Either he worked for him again one day and he
Speaker 21: has to bow to me or give in to me,
Speaker 21: or I'll be working working for the other company just
Speaker 21: you know, should more fucking shit on me.
Speaker 2: Then's any response to that? Well, you know the thing
Speaker 2: about Sid is, you know he has been He's an
Speaker 2: exceptional talent. He certainly has had, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of successes here in the w W. We're proud of
Speaker 2: all the accomplishment accomplishments that he's had. He's may have
Speaker 2: been in WrestleMania twice. He has provided significant uh entertainment
Speaker 2: factors regarding the legacy of Monday Night Raw and the
Speaker 2: history of the w B as a whole. And really,
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, we see you know,
Speaker 2: Sid as as a legend as somebody who who who
Speaker 2: has who has provided us with years worth of of
Speaker 2: entertaining minutia and uh, and you know, when it comes
Speaker 2: down to it, he just can't cut the mustard.
Speaker 6: He said that he was going to outlive you, and
Speaker 6: that was the solace he told me. The thing about
Speaker 6: that is, you know, sid any update, any update on
Speaker 6: that front. Then as entertainer, you know said at his course,
Speaker 6: an entertainer, And what he does is he provides entertainment. Now,
Speaker 6: if we know something about entertainment, is that entertainment it's
Speaker 6: not real. Entertainment is something that is created to provide
Speaker 6: some sort of emotional response. So what he does is
Speaker 6: he entertains. He does not actually exist. So how can
Speaker 6: somebody who doesn't exist outlive? Vincetick man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what tell me what. I can guarantee
Speaker 6: you that I will put him in the grave before
Speaker 6: I even remotely begin to die.
Speaker 2: H What happened all that?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 6: All those kind words at the beginning, that that olive
Speaker 6: branch there, all those nice things you said.
Speaker 2: I don't recall saying nice things. I said facts.
Speaker 22: True.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything that was embellished. I didn't say
Speaker 2: anything that was that was nice. I simply stated facts
Speaker 2: that he was an entertainer, but he worked for the
Speaker 2: w he had. He had monumental moments. We have things
Speaker 2: that we remember. I didn't say anything that that was nice.
Speaker 2: I dictated facts. How do you see? How do you
Speaker 2: How can you be so confident? I mean, you're a
Speaker 2: lot older than he is that you're not going to
Speaker 2: go to the grave first, because, like I said, I'll
Speaker 2: put him there if I have to. Nobody out lives
Speaker 2: into man. Nobody. Wow, he said.
Speaker 6: When he runs to the top of those bleachers at
Speaker 6: the high school and Marion or wherever and he steps
Speaker 6: on that top rung, he feels like he's stepping on you.
Speaker 6: Any response to that, Well, let's see him try to
Speaker 6: step on me for real, and again we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: If I'm at the top of the bleachers and he
Speaker 6: comes to step on me, I'm gonna throw him off
Speaker 6: the bleachers.
Speaker 2: It's so basic.
Speaker 6: I'm yeah, I'm gonna throw him off the bleachers. It's
Speaker 6: like he just falls, like he gets hurt, but it's
Speaker 6: not like a not dramatical exactly. It's funny that it
Speaker 6: said hiring a hit man to take you out with
Speaker 6: a bullet to the temple. He hires someone to shove
Speaker 6: you down and you hurt your wrist, and that's it.
Speaker 2: I imagine Vince lying on the bleachers. You're lying there
Speaker 2: waiting for Sid to come up. Gohead, step on me,
Speaker 2: pill nobody such a tough guy. Step on me, Step
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question, Vince. Did he do
Speaker 6: the right thing by phrasing it that way?
Speaker 2: Did he do the right thing? I mean, let me
Speaker 2: ask you this is it'd ever done the right thing?
Speaker 2: Right now? You tell me that he has, I'll show
Speaker 2: you ways that he hasn't.
Speaker 6: He was holding out for a day like when, like
Speaker 6: he said, when you would have to come kiss his ass,
Speaker 6: you have to come beg him to get involved.
Speaker 2: No, I've never had to beg right, I never will
Speaker 2: beg I get pussy just by looking at a woman,
Speaker 2: all right. I see what I want and I get it.
Speaker 2: I don't beg for it. I don't need to, because
Speaker 2: I get what I want, and when I'm done wanting it,
Speaker 2: I throw it away. And I was done wanting Sid
Speaker 2: a long time ago. And it's not my fault that
Speaker 2: that's been the dominant narrative in his own mind ever
Speaker 2: since I let him go. It's funny how the people
Speaker 2: who you throw away always seem to think that we're
Speaker 2: going to need them again out of a boomerang effect,
Speaker 2: isn't it. Pal, I like to watch Sid Sometimes I
Speaker 2: will admit I've had cameras inserted into his house because
Speaker 2: I like to watch him. I like to see how
Speaker 2: he moves. So I to see how he wanders about
Speaker 2: his house, because I know what a discol load. Sure,
Speaker 2: what do you know? Because you know what? Go ahead,
Speaker 2: go ahead, finish some flot only was hanging mm hmm,
Speaker 2: because I know what. Because I know all the different
Speaker 2: places in his house where I could sneak up on him,
Speaker 2: and all the nooks and crannies. I could kill him
Speaker 2: before he even knew he was in his house. Let
Speaker 2: me ask your pal, have you ever heard of roundup?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: So that be a word to the wise. Do not
Speaker 6: go on shooting interviews. Yeah, and say you're gonna outlive
Speaker 6: Vince McMahon. That's how you're gonna win. Last person I
Speaker 6: heard say that Terry funk in the grave. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: bet Stuhart said that. I bet Fritz van Eric said that,
Speaker 6: I bet verne Ganja said that I bet a million people.
Speaker 6: I bet Jim Helwig said that, I bet Bruno. Sim
Speaker 6: Martino said that Superstar buy Graham. You don't bet against
Speaker 6: Satan get in the fucking grand ground.
Speaker 2: All right, you don't bet against Satan. I'll never fucking
Speaker 2: say I'll outlive in sick Man. Fuck No, no, nope,
Speaker 2: got a Why would you want to track that? Juju?
Speaker 10: Ye?
Speaker 2: That is just a horrible situation being Sid for you what,
Speaker 2: I won't outlive VI sick Man? How about that? Just
Speaker 2: so money? That's what it came down to for Sid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, after this, not a really a peep
Speaker 6: for years on the indie scene, doesn't work any matches
Speaker 6: for the next several years. He resurfaces in twenty seventeen, however,
Speaker 6: at a tenth anniversary super show in Ottawa for Great
Speaker 6: North Wrestling, where he faces and defeats a wrestler by
Speaker 6: the name of Paul Rosenberg. Now this is significant because
Speaker 6: Paul Rosenberg in his sidekick. I don't know a lot
Speaker 6: about the circuit at that time, but they were doing it.
Speaker 6: Being twenty seventeen, a Trump gimmick where a guy would
Speaker 6: bring a Trump flag out and get a ton of
Speaker 6: heat in Canada for it, and Sid found himself in
Speaker 6: the crosshairs of the politics of the moment. Oh boy,
Speaker 6: and he's out there beating up on the Trump guy
Speaker 6: and getting pops in twenty seventeen in Canada, and god
Speaker 6: damn it. You know we're going to find out we are.
Speaker 6: We're going to find out how much of a problem
Speaker 6: Donald Trump is for w's for Sid? Okay, oh boy,
Speaker 6: because something goes off in his mind. That's a future
Speaker 6: let's just say claim he can stake as as a
Speaker 6: reason for new shows, all right, because what's one of
Speaker 6: the things Trump Trump does. He comes in and he
Speaker 6: makes in and out of the country travel more difficult,
Speaker 6: doesn't he. Of course does that open a vein for
Speaker 6: potential excuses for Sid to just not.
Speaker 10: Know of the flight.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: One of the indie promoters that Sid fails to show
Speaker 6: up for suddenly takes to Facebook one day and writes,
Speaker 6: which one of you buttholes told Sid that the owner
Speaker 6: of the promotion is a giant Trumpster. Oh I hope
Speaker 6: you're happy he decided to not get in a plane
Speaker 6: for our friends at another wrestling company, so he won't
Speaker 6: be appearing for us either. We are really disappointed but
Speaker 6: now we can finally say we are like our friends
Speaker 6: in the other company, and we'll get to what company
Speaker 6: that is.
Speaker 2: But it's now.
Speaker 6: It's now and a new playground for Sid. This article
Speaker 6: here by Roger Girinoff apologies for Not Is It Wrestling, Inc.
Speaker 6: From twenty eighteen, Former WW and WW World Heavyweight Champion
Speaker 6: Sid Vicus canceled an appearance at last night's Excite Wrestling event.
Speaker 6: The promotion noted on Facebook last week that Sid canceled
Speaker 6: the booking because the owner of the promotion, Johnny Moose,
Speaker 6: is a.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump supporter.
Speaker 6: Boy Vicious had skipped an I A Double A i
Speaker 6: W show last December, claiming he had travel issues due
Speaker 6: to Trump's travel man. Excite Wrestling followed suit and had
Speaker 6: a wrestler dress up as Sid and deliver a power
Speaker 6: bomb at the show.
Speaker 2: I tried, I said, you know, I will go to
Speaker 2: the airport and all of a sudden, our Don Trump
Speaker 2: ain't letting Sid travel, right, he said, ceut banned from travel,
Speaker 2: Tump Sid beauty travel.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what. One place, one promotion he
Speaker 6: doesn't have travel very far for is a company called
Speaker 6: MCW based not too far from his home. In the
Speaker 6: beautiful state of Arkansas. So this is a shot that
Speaker 6: Sid could make by car. And so there's no flight
Speaker 6: issues to cite, no flight issues to be concerned about
Speaker 6: or get tripped up on. And it's in this promotion.
Speaker 6: We're going to take a look at it. So I
Speaker 6: don't want to paint a picture for you before you
Speaker 6: get to see it yourself, or boss, I would suggest
Speaker 6: here in the final leg of our Sid tribute, we
Speaker 6: really get that unalloyed Look what it looks like when
Speaker 6: Sid is actually given creative power in the rest of
Speaker 6: the Lord, not just to do a one off gimmick
Speaker 6: here and there. But we've heard that's been a theme,
Speaker 6: right every so often he'll say in an interview, you know,
Speaker 6: I really would have liked to book in the business.
Speaker 6: You know, Bill Wats was going to let me book.
Speaker 6: I created the Colonel Parker character in Harlem Heat and
Speaker 6: all that stuff. And he always tried to give us
Speaker 6: this sense that you know, he actually had a mind
Speaker 6: for the wrestling business and could run a promotion and
Speaker 6: could be a booker one day, and one wonder why
Speaker 6: he was never given the opportunity. You know what, Well,
Speaker 6: he was never given the chance to express his ideas
Speaker 6: and what he would do out there. This is a
Speaker 6: glimpse at what we missed out on by not letting
Speaker 6: book a major promotion all those years, as he discusses
Speaker 6: here in a shoot interview with Hannibal, who had heard
Speaker 6: to the Grapevine that there's a very small, low profile
Speaker 6: indie near Sid's house, that he had started to develop
Speaker 6: a character Sid for the first time since the Lord
Speaker 6: Humongous Day's Bosses not wrestling as Sid, He's wrestling as Israel.
Speaker 13: Ah.
Speaker 15: I'll tell you what it was is I had this
Speaker 15: idea and what it was is a little bit to
Speaker 15: do with this cilly election, you know, And I used
Speaker 15: that too, But no, it's it was just something i'd
Speaker 15: come up with that friend of mine, his name is
Speaker 15: Very Norman. He's a writer, and a guy named Peter Zeil.
Speaker 15: There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols, Like if you had,
Speaker 15: like in Mon's case, you had a bad leg, where
Speaker 15: they could put a chip in your brain and they
Speaker 15: can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have
Speaker 15: that pain no longer. Well, we were doing something like that,
Speaker 15: and we was having my buddy Berry sending little clips
Speaker 15: to this place at Ocola mcw to show that we
Speaker 15: were trying that and mayn I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 15: I didn't do, but just a few weeks of it,
Speaker 15: and the people went crazy for it. I never walked
Speaker 15: into the place. I had so much heat and I
Speaker 15: was a big time babyface there for the last few years.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 15: But I did what it was I said, I did
Speaker 15: the operation. What it was I said, I told the people.
Speaker 15: I said, and this is while I'm still a babyface,
Speaker 15: I said, don't wact around so anymore. Is I have
Speaker 15: this operation, and I have this operation. I have to
Speaker 15: take science over faith. That means over God. And I
Speaker 15: was gonna call myself Israel. You know when Israel, you know,
Speaker 15: fought with God, had got a bad hip out of
Speaker 15: the deal, remember that, right, Well, I told everybody I
Speaker 15: get God the bad hip, you know, just you know.
Speaker 15: Then I took on a look. It started working that
Speaker 15: I started taking on Donald Trump personality and I would
Speaker 15: take off the hat, my my master, act like Donald
Speaker 15: Trump or talk like that until the you know, some
Speaker 15: of the people to get back in the back of
Speaker 15: the bus, like the Mexican people. There weren't an Americans
Speaker 15: there however, but I would say things like that and
Speaker 15: just you know, I'm the boss, and I bought the
Speaker 15: place and that everybody had game like three more weeks
Speaker 15: and we was gonna shut the doors, and man, I
Speaker 15: had a great time with that character. It's actually one
Speaker 15: I would like to see go to the w W.
Speaker 2: Boss. Does that sound ready for prime time? To you?
Speaker 2: Ramblings of a madman? What he really? He really is
Speaker 2: a fucking coop? What is he talking about? I mean, seriously,
Speaker 2: what did you what did you take from that? I
Speaker 2: don't really know, honestly. I mean he he wants to
Speaker 2: is he a nation?
Speaker 19: Is he?
Speaker 2: Is he representative of that? Is that what he wants
Speaker 2: to do? I don't he's That's the most I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to call that. It's it's beyond insane,
Speaker 2: it's beyond stupid, it's like beyond offensive. It's just it really,
Speaker 2: there is a a there's a category of its own
Speaker 2: that has yet to be invented, and that's where that belongs.
Speaker 2: Would you like to see Israel at action?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Fuck my life?
Speaker 6: You like to see what this looked like? And a
Speaker 6: promotion called shit mcw is sid finally gets the chance
Speaker 6: to let his creative juices flow. All right, if you
Speaker 6: want to find it on YouTube. Israel aka Psycho Sid
Speaker 6: Vicious twenty seventeen is the title of the video. And
Speaker 6: here we go, all right, three two one.
Speaker 1: Play to the graphic nature of this program, view were
Speaker 1: described advised.
Speaker 2: Look at him? What he lifts the mask? Look at him?
Speaker 6: Look at the intensity. I mean he's walking around like
Speaker 6: an Alzheimer's patient.
Speaker 2: Really he's waving.
Speaker 6: Look at the size of the building. It's like a garage.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, seriously, it's I guess this guy is
Speaker 2: the promoter of the owner. I mean he looks like
Speaker 2: a pervert. Sid has one on his shoulders. He's got
Speaker 2: these fucking like uh shoulder pads like pad for what
Speaker 2: no reason? Because he's Israel. Look at that woman in
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 6: So the promoter is saying, look, let's put this behind us.
Speaker 6: Our differences and do you think you've seen Sid cut
Speaker 6: great promos before?
Speaker 2: Boss?
Speaker 6: Oh boy, he's the people he was saying, were eating
Speaker 6: it up. By the way, how did him stand there?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 8: On our side.
Speaker 2: We need him on our side. These people are like
Speaker 2: they're what are there like seventy five people there?
Speaker 6: Probably twenty seriously, maybe like thirty forty people.
Speaker 2: Is that the booker back there on the desk. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 23: Let's have started with.
Speaker 6: Let's come to what are you sid? What do you
Speaker 6: think Let's start over again with your football shoulder pats on?
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 19: You white last it was buzz gil, No, buzz, don't
Speaker 19: coming back to last week.
Speaker 2: It's all men to doing this. I'll want to turn
Speaker 2: against you people.
Speaker 10: You don't mean too much.
Speaker 18: Anyway.
Speaker 23: I no, guys, really, Oh.
Speaker 2: I just go home and get a haircut. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: get your haircut and do what? Come back and be
Speaker 2: popular again? Oh my god again? Would you all accept
Speaker 2: my friendship again?
Speaker 23: I'm sorry, I mean, guys, I mean, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Is he doing. I'm sorry he's apologizing, shaking hands with
Speaker 2: the promoter so much ringside here. I'm sorry, you ass
Speaker 2: me to the guy on the desk, he is like
Speaker 2: he's apologized him, and the guy doesn't forgive a ship.
Speaker 2: He's like, why am I here? He's still talking, said,
Speaker 2: still talking Devil's rejects. He has football shoulder pads on
Speaker 2: the whole time. Yeah, and like basically like a you know,
Speaker 2: like uh uh mechanic coveralls with the knacks back. God yea,
Speaker 2: and he puts on the ever. This is the people.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a fucking axe handle. He's uh he
Speaker 2: like he did. I don't even know what you'd call it.
Speaker 2: Look at the crowd. Oh my god. This there's tables
Speaker 2: with drinks and ship like. This is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 6: He's lumbering around pretending to attack this old man promoter.
Speaker 2: And the old man fucking pretending to sell no one.
Speaker 6: The crowds just sitting there. I mean some people are screaming,
Speaker 6: but they're just sitting there.
Speaker 2: Some guy came down with a hat and a chair
Speaker 2: or he tell them to sit. I was in a
Speaker 2: baseball bat. Who is that clown? I'm not sure his name.
Speaker 2: It might be Buzzkill.
Speaker 8: And wait a minute, it's not Joe, you understand.
Speaker 2: Look at him, I mean he looks like a complete
Speaker 2: dufus football shoulder pads on yeah.
Speaker 16: Both first he probably also a.
Speaker 8: First or something.
Speaker 2: Piscipalion is already said no reaction. One girl screating, but
Speaker 2: most people are looking at him. The one person screaming
Speaker 2: at him, but I, oh my god, he.
Speaker 23: Said, I'm looking.
Speaker 14: Damn bomb you white fresh trails.
Speaker 23: I said this last.
Speaker 16: I mean, I.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's just lumbering around ringside.
Speaker 2: I mean he's just like a mic has a cord. Oh,
Speaker 2: here comes a guy climbing up a ladder. Look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's communicating with the Is that it? That's that I'll
Speaker 2: look at there. Go to the go to the kitchen,
Speaker 2: get some food. What are they serving? I want to know. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's never watch that again. I mean, just paint the
Speaker 2: picture for people, I mean place. If it's just he's
Speaker 2: just speaking gibberish, you can't really understand what he's fucking
Speaker 2: said Nucus of the audio. You really, even if you
Speaker 2: I heard everyone said it, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Like he just he's just speaking words, and you know,
Speaker 2: and he just stands there like he I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what was attempted to be accomplished. Just there,
Speaker 2: you know, he just stands there and he speaks and
Speaker 2: he he kind of like, you know, he moves. He
Speaker 2: has a very very limited map, all right, like his
Speaker 2: his road. It's a basic kind of you know, right angle. Essentially,
Speaker 2: he goes from the desk of the ring and then
Speaker 2: he comes back down the side to kind of where
Speaker 2: the I guess where the entrance is, and then back
Speaker 2: and forth, like he doesn't walk around the ring and
Speaker 2: like go to everybody. He just kind of stays in
Speaker 2: this warm little corner. He's just walking back to notice that, Well,
Speaker 2: it's because the mic has a cord. He's using a cord. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's it. I mean you think that that
Speaker 2: in this date and age, you have a cord that
Speaker 2: could run, you know, more than ten feet.
Speaker 6: Again, I want you to picture like being all right,
Speaker 6: seventeen and you're gonna go trick or treating, right, and
Speaker 6: you throw a costume together, you know, because you're way
Speaker 6: too old, and you cover yourself head to toe, long
Speaker 6: sleeve black shirt with black gloves, black like you're wearing.
Speaker 2: You wear black coveralls, is what you're doing.
Speaker 6: And then he puts NFL shoulder pads on and they
Speaker 6: look like they're like a youth small. Yeah, they're like
Speaker 6: why definitely not his side there they do? You know,
Speaker 6: Usually you put shoulder pads on and you can see
Speaker 6: that they enhance the shoulders and these do not. And
Speaker 6: he's got the Jason mask on, a hockey mask, and
Speaker 6: he's just standing there and he's a big.
Speaker 2: Oh fu a big. He's a big, He's a big lug.
Speaker 2: It's not scary at all. And when he tries it,
Speaker 2: and again he doesn't. He doesn't even fucking I mean,
Speaker 2: I you know, he doesn't even He just kind of
Speaker 2: talks like Sid. He doesn't. He doesn't, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't like actually talk like a nation or or a
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I'm looking at the description here
Speaker 2: under the YouTube video says he who wrestles with God. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's Israel, which like he just like Sid.
Speaker 6: Who wrestles with God, but talks like Sid Udy from
Speaker 6: here exactly, And yeah, he thinks this is ww ready
Speaker 6: And now that you watch that, Okay, now that you
Speaker 6: have just listen back to this and just realize that's
Speaker 6: what he's talking about.
Speaker 15: I'll tell you what it was is I had this idea,
Speaker 15: and what it was is a little bit to do
Speaker 15: with this cilly election, you know, and I use that too,
Speaker 15: but no, it's it was just something i'd come up
Speaker 15: with that friend of mine. His being is very normal
Speaker 15: when he's a writer and a guy named Peter Zel.
Speaker 15: There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols. Like if you had,
Speaker 15: like in my case, you had a bad leg where
Speaker 15: they can put a chip in your brain and they
Speaker 15: can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have
Speaker 15: that pain no longer. Well, we were doing something like that,
Speaker 15: and we was having my buddy Berry sending little clips
Speaker 15: to this place at Ocola mcw to show that we
Speaker 15: were trying that. And mayn I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 15: I didn't do but just a few weeks of it,
Speaker 15: and then people went crazy for it. I never walked
Speaker 15: into the place. I had so much heat, and I
Speaker 15: got a big time babyface there for the last few years.
Speaker 7: Uh, But I did what it was.
Speaker 15: I said, I did the operation. What it was I said,
Speaker 15: I told the people. I said, And this is while
Speaker 15: I'm still a baby face, I said, don't wact around
Speaker 15: so anymore. Is I have this operation, and I have
Speaker 15: this operation, I'd have to take science over faith. That
Speaker 15: means over God. And I was gonna call myself Israel.
Speaker 15: You know when Israel, you know, fought with God, he
Speaker 15: got a bad hip out of the deal, remember that, Yeah, right, Well,
Speaker 15: I told everybody I get God the bad hip, you know,
Speaker 15: just you know, then not took on it started working,
Speaker 15: that started taking on Donald Trump personality, and I would
Speaker 15: take off the hat, my my masters, act like Donald
Speaker 15: Trump or talk like that until you know, some of
Speaker 15: the people to get back in the back of the bus,
Speaker 15: like the Mexican people. They weren't even there, however, but
Speaker 15: I would say things like that, and just you know,
Speaker 15: I'm the boss, and I bought the place, and that
Speaker 15: everybody had that game like three more weeks and we
Speaker 15: was gonna shut the doors. And man, I had a
Speaker 15: great time with that character. It's actually one I would
Speaker 15: like to see. Go to the WWE.
Speaker 1: Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
Speaker 1: need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's a lapsed
Speaker 1: fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jo.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad he had fun with it. I
Speaker 2: guess I that was a character. I mean, he just
Speaker 2: stood there.
Speaker 6: With none of the personality. He had his sid and
Speaker 6: right his face is stone faced, monotone, and he's walking
Speaker 6: around and he's pivoting at the hip and looking at
Speaker 6: the people, and he's got a kid's shoulder pads on
Speaker 6: the whole time, and.
Speaker 2: He's just I mean, listen, the only heat that was
Speaker 2: in that building was coming from the kitchen. And the
Speaker 2: hush puppies. They were bringing out exactly the locals on
Speaker 2: a Friday night, right, and he had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with sid Uh. You know, at the end of all this,
Speaker 2: my excuse me, you want to be disrespectful the nation of.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: I just can't believe we lost out on this guy
Speaker 6: getting a chance to let his creative juices flow in
Speaker 6: the big leagues. I don't know how this guy didn't
Speaker 6: earn a spot on a creative team somewhere.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you something, Vince, I got an idea.
Speaker 2: No way, yeah, all right, I'm gonna hit mute. Said,
Speaker 2: you go ahead.
Speaker 15: You just let me know.
Speaker 2: Tell me what your idea is. I want to be
Speaker 2: a people. Excuse me, I want to be a people. Well,
Speaker 2: you are a person, said, you're a person? You are
Speaker 2: of people? No, I want to be a people. I
Speaker 2: want to be Israel. I see, And what does this
Speaker 2: have to do with me? That's what you understand is
Speaker 2: now I'm coming back to the w w E. That's
Speaker 2: a new persona. I got a new character in mind.
Speaker 2: I want to base it on the wacky things going
Speaker 2: on the election, the wacky things so many. All right,
Speaker 2: are you gonna dress up like Trump or something. Is
Speaker 2: that the me? Are you going to be like Sid Trumps?
Speaker 2: What's the look? You're coming out with a big bouffont
Speaker 2: blonde bof Donald Donald Vicious? What's the look? Pal? Help me?
Speaker 2: Help me see it? So I want you imagine me
Speaker 2: all dressed in black, Okay, like the Undertaker. No, no,
Speaker 2: like the Undertaker, like Israel. Okay. Now I want you
Speaker 2: to understand, I'm wearing a black coverall, I'm wearing black gloves,
Speaker 2: and then I'm wearing shoulder pads. You were like football pads, Pala,
Speaker 2: I mean like you mean like women's shoulder like under
Speaker 2: the shirt right in the eighties, like under the shirt
Speaker 2: you can wear your shoulder pads and mm hmm okay,
Speaker 2: you're talking about NFL football pads. I suppose those under
Speaker 2: a shirt would add some bulk. I know it's hard
Speaker 2: for you to put on bulk, you know, I you
Speaker 2: know you are a bulky guy. But I can understand,
Speaker 2: you know, you try to create a new image. Sure
Speaker 2: you wear that under the shirt, under the cover all shirt.
Speaker 2: That can create a no no, no, no, what no
Speaker 2: under the shirt or to where the where the pads going?
Speaker 2: Pal on top my shoulder pads fully exposed. What is that?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the point of that? Israel is so
Speaker 2: putting putting the pads on on over the outside of
Speaker 2: the shirt. Is Israel? I am reel, Israel rules the world. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Why don't Yeah, why don't we?
Speaker 2: This is great? I love this. I think this is
Speaker 2: We're gonna fast track this. Why don't you do me
Speaker 2: a favor. You book a flight up here and we're
Speaker 2: gonna right, We're gonna make sure that this gets right
Speaker 2: on television, and you know, do me a favor. Call
Speaker 2: me when you get here and I'll make sure that
Speaker 2: I'm in town for this. Can we make sure we
Speaker 2: get like videotape of this ship because I need to
Speaker 2: put this on YouTube. Tom all right, I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: this fucking shit YouTube. Israel psycho, Israel, one piece of ship.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm hearing everything you're saying. On the phone.
Speaker 2: What what what?
Speaker 19: No?
Speaker 2: I was talking about something. I was talking about something else, Bell, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was talking about No. No, I'm sorry. We get
Speaker 2: we have a show in Israel and there's a psycho
Speaker 2: who's trying to book the you know, it's a whole everything,
Speaker 2: not you Israel, the the the the gimmick. This, this
Speaker 2: is not a gimmick. This is the new sid Ah,
Speaker 2: Damn Israel here Israel? All right? Well, oh man, if
Speaker 2: Sid could have just been a booker, the whole world
Speaker 2: will be a different place. I'll tell you, a world
Speaker 2: of nations and peoples, of all the things it was
Speaker 2: it was not real. Okay, is real? That's the one
Speaker 2: thing it wasn't. Damn right, is real? No is fake? Terrible?
Speaker 6: That's It's selful that it came down to that for Sid.
Speaker 6: You know, it's such a reality. But we're missing the
Speaker 6: silver tuna here. Oh God, we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: this part of Sid's life. If we're going to talk
Speaker 6: about the pattern of behavior that begins to emerge in
Speaker 6: the world class excuse making. He starts to make, he
Speaker 6: starts to compose for himself. We can't not talk about
Speaker 6: the time that he now showed an event for a
Speaker 6: i W in Illinois for promoter John Thorne, who had
Speaker 6: his own podcast at the time and who started in
Speaker 6: one episode of the podcast kind of dejected his co
Speaker 6: hosts giving him a hard time. So he's on suicide
Speaker 6: watch because much like the aforementioned pro Wrestling Syndicate promoter
Speaker 6: a lot riding on the idea that an appearance from
Speaker 6: Sid himself is quite rare on the US and D's
Speaker 6: back in that day and you can come here and
Speaker 6: come to this AIW show. I believe it's absolute intense
Speaker 6: wrestling and lay eyes on Sid.
Speaker 2: He'll be here.
Speaker 6: Promotion promotional material is out. People are counting on him.
Speaker 6: He's the draw. But as they go to record the podcast,
Speaker 6: I believe a couple days before the show was to
Speaker 6: happen that weekend, the voter John Thorne lets us know
Speaker 6: that in fact, Sid didn't.
Speaker 2: Go to the airport. Oh boy.
Speaker 6: The night before he did tell him on the phone,
Speaker 6: Hey brother Sid, this is looking forward to seeing you
Speaker 6: in the morning. This is according to John Thorne, and
Speaker 6: Sid said he'd give him a call. John said he
Speaker 6: went to bed and had his phone on loud all
Speaker 6: night so he can get woken up if the phone
Speaker 6: rang and he was asleep.
Speaker 2: Never got a call.
Speaker 6: Sid was suppose to fly at five forty am that day.
Speaker 6: John wakes up at eight thirty, no call, and he
Speaker 6: thought to himself, maybe he's just, you know, maybe just
Speaker 6: went to the airport. And I don't know, there's a
Speaker 6: fuck in at the check in or whatever. Maybe you
Speaker 6: got the wrong number, the wrong check in number, whatever.
Speaker 6: He says, you know, I'm just gonna see what happened,
Speaker 6: because it's not the easiest to find out if he's
Speaker 6: in the air or not. But you know, if you're
Speaker 6: just some third party. But he was like, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put the check in number in and at
Speaker 6: least that'll tell me what the seed is he had.
Speaker 6: And because they booked the flight for SID, right, so
Speaker 6: they have some some transparency here and they're going to
Speaker 6: try to find out what's happening with SID. That way,
Speaker 6: somebody goes on American Airlines website. He looks at it
Speaker 6: and says, you know what, this flight it says this
Speaker 6: trip has been canceled.
Speaker 2: Canceled.
Speaker 6: Trip isn't canceled, what do you mean, no bad weather
Speaker 6: or anything, And maybe just just canceled, you know, because
Speaker 6: it's it's he's already boarded or something like that. Maybe
Speaker 6: they just cancel it out because it's you know, it's
Speaker 6: been it's been dealt with, it's been launched. So you
Speaker 6: know what, I'm gonna call American Airlines. He says, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna let me let me see if I can get
Speaker 6: further on the phone. So he calls him up and
Speaker 6: guy answers. He says, you know, hey, I am I
Speaker 6: about a flight for somebody, trying to locate him. I
Speaker 6: haven't heard anything. Trying to make sure they're okay. At
Speaker 6: the end of the day, a lot of SID for
Speaker 6: the about a flight for this guy, said Udy and
Speaker 6: six hundred dollars flight non refundable. Give him the check
Speaker 6: in number. They said, yeah, that trip was canceled.
Speaker 2: But what do you mean.
Speaker 6: All the flights are on time? It looks like to me,
Speaker 6: they said, no, Sydney Dy has canceled the trip. That's
Speaker 6: the extent of the detail he's able to get.
Speaker 19: Now.
Speaker 6: He's deeply frustrated, But I like the promoter we talked
Speaker 6: about before. He's got Sid's number. Yes, and he's recording
Speaker 6: a podcast, Oh my god, and he can put that
Speaker 6: sucker on speaker.
Speaker 18: No, dude, he's doing some weird fucking hackershit with his phone. Sid, John,
Speaker 18: what's up, man, I just got back from the airport.
Speaker 7: They've got a god damn thing on my driver's license
Speaker 7: is where it says I didn't pay a ticket, and
Speaker 7: I got to sit here. I just looked through my
Speaker 7: mail and it ain't nothing better about a fucking speaking ticket.
Speaker 7: And I guess now that fucking uh Donald Trump has
Speaker 7: got these fucking things. They can't let me get through
Speaker 7: without a passport, and I didn't have my passport. I
Speaker 7: can't find that son of a bitch.
Speaker 18: Either, So so what happens now?
Speaker 7: I don't know. John's why I'm sitting there looking looking around,
Speaker 7: think what to do. That's golf to follow with my lawyer.
Speaker 7: He was I was on the phone him when you called.
Speaker 7: He didn't see if anything I can do, He's and
Speaker 7: I'm not the only one that I had a friend
Speaker 7: of mine happiness that they weren't going to a wrestling show,
Speaker 7: but they were. They worked for Delta of all things,
Speaker 7: and when they tried to get connected flight to get
Speaker 7: home the other day. Some to do with this fucking
Speaker 7: this new travel band. If you got like what I've gotten,
Speaker 7: I'm not sure it's the speeding ticket or what it is.
Speaker 7: I got it in the mill the other day. My
Speaker 7: wife actually actually has it, actually had one. And I
Speaker 7: had a friend of mine that you years ago, when
Speaker 7: came in the mill, says a Department of administration and
Speaker 7: opened here is just to see what it was. Because
Speaker 7: the guy's dead now, he's not live anymore. And it
Speaker 7: was a speeding ticket from Louisiana. So I took my wife.
Speaker 7: She ready to me. I can't remember it was the
Speaker 7: speeding ticket or where it was, but because I had
Speaker 7: that on there, I can't. I got to go now,
Speaker 7: I've got to go get my wife is renewed.
Speaker 18: So they so they just wouldn't watch you through Huh
Speaker 18: they wouldn't let me home. Fuck. Uh yeah, I don't like.
Speaker 18: I called the airport this morning, the airline this morning,
Speaker 18: and uh, you know, they didn't have any answers for me.
Speaker 18: I was trying to call you. What was going on?
Speaker 7: I doubt your uh uh your phone on my cell
Speaker 7: phone and I must have hit the bone digital I
Speaker 7: got over there. It wasn't going to your number. It
Speaker 7: was going to some fucking automated thing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, because I you know that way and have
Speaker 2: it with me.
Speaker 7: And again, like you said, I know the girl works
Speaker 7: there a Delta. She says, there's there's nothing we can do.
Speaker 18: Uh, well, your flight was on American I know.
Speaker 7: That, but she works there, so I tired going and
Speaker 7: see if she knew anybody and you know, help me
Speaker 7: out on that. But she said the same thing happened
Speaker 7: to her. And then I keep remember that the other
Speaker 7: person was I didn't And it just depends what state.
Speaker 7: Who is this? I used to talk to a girl
Speaker 7: in the gym about that yesterday. That's what it was.
Speaker 7: But that's what it is, John. I can't get through
Speaker 7: because I've got some kind of fucking outstanding thing and
Speaker 7: it can't be no more of the goddamn speeding tickets.
Speaker 7: I can't think of anything else. I but even had
Speaker 7: I can't even remember getting the speeding ticket. And this
Speaker 7: could be something. You know. What happened was I've only
Speaker 7: had driver's license down for about a year. They never
Speaker 7: did what it was. For seven years, I couldn't get
Speaker 7: a driver's license. Uh, maybe longer than that. They said
Speaker 7: there's something wrong with it. Was something wrong with it.
Speaker 7: I got a lawyer and went through every fucking state
Speaker 7: in the Union see if there was a speeding ticket
Speaker 7: or something somewhere outstanding.
Speaker 2: They never really could find anything.
Speaker 7: And then I got a ticket one day and the
Speaker 7: judge says, you better fucking find out what's going on,
Speaker 7: You're gonna be in trouble. So I went to the
Speaker 7: revenue office. Now they look they just said, hey, we
Speaker 7: can't find anything. And that's what's so weird about it
Speaker 7: when they look it up. Even when I get pulled over,
Speaker 7: they changed nothing on your records showing that you shouldn't
Speaker 7: have shouldn't be able to get your driver's license. I
Speaker 7: finally got so, and I've had them that for over
Speaker 7: a year. But I don't know if that's the same
Speaker 7: thing popping up or what it is so damn administration
Speaker 7: thing that my wife getting ready to me I can't
Speaker 7: ever or something stupid.
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know that's Uh, this kind of sucks for
Speaker 18: me because I had a lot, you know, I sold
Speaker 18: a lot of tickets for tonight.
Speaker 7: I know, John, and I'm I'm not upset more than
Speaker 7: you are, of course, but I'm pissed about everything that
Speaker 7: I pissed down that I don't have a fucking driver's license.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I just don't know how I'm gonna explain it
Speaker 18: to people, you know, right, It's.
Speaker 7: Just I don't know, man, man right now, and I've
Speaker 7: got ten thousand fucking other things stupid, and it's just a. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I spent seven years trying to figure this fucking thing out.
Speaker 7: I thought it was behind me.
Speaker 13: And because they.
Speaker 7: Said the colendar, they said, what it was is because
Speaker 7: of these jew restrictions that Donald Trump has put on
Speaker 7: different states. And they don't know because they can't look
Speaker 7: to it because well, you've got a problem in this state, you.
Speaker 11: Know what I mean.
Speaker 18: That's fucking that's fucking Trump man.
Speaker 7: I tell you, Donald, tell you what, John, I've never
Speaker 7: voted my whole life. Donald Trump has messed up more
Speaker 7: things than this. We could go on all day.
Speaker 2: It's because the football thing.
Speaker 7: You know, I did want call him Tapernick around either
Speaker 7: for what he did. But the deal was is the
Speaker 7: NFL owner said already decided he wasn't going to be
Speaker 7: So Donald Trump steps in and makes of all this fuss.
Speaker 7: Now everybody, I know, not you watching football anymore.
Speaker 18: It's you know, it's turning it into a real crazy world.
Speaker 7: Well he just turned it into something he didn't have to.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Again, they want to said Kaepernick, you're not going to
Speaker 7: place if you were that this dance that you wanted
Speaker 7: to take, it was already taken. So Donald Trump comes
Speaker 7: in and makes up a little bit more fuss. Now
Speaker 7: it's got you know, I know, I don't Honestly, I
Speaker 7: don't know anything. People that I talked to when I
Speaker 7: bring up the subject that are watching football now.
Speaker 18: I'm not watching. Do you hear Vincent Man might buy
Speaker 18: the Carolina Panthers?
Speaker 7: Do what now?
Speaker 18: Vincent Man might buy the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 18: He's he's uh, or he might bring the XFL back,
Speaker 18: that's the rumor.
Speaker 7: Well, you do the only thing about this is this
Speaker 7: John down Mark Cuban. Okay, if they're going to turn
Speaker 7: down Mark Cubans, they're definitely gonna turn down Vince mcman.
Speaker 18: I agree, you know what I mean absolutely.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a you know, I guess if there's any
Speaker 7: type of fraternity that's gonna that's gonna be funny. The
Speaker 7: last touch or last effect about this will be the
Speaker 7: NFL football owners. You know, I would you know, I
Speaker 7: didn't know. I didn't realize this today. This so before
Speaker 7: they ever let someone like put this man into probably
Speaker 7: you know, put a black owner in first. But I
Speaker 7: doubt that even you know, they're gonna be real picky
Speaker 7: about who they put in there.
Speaker 18: Maybe uh, you know, maybe uh, in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 18: we could have you on my podcast or something and
Speaker 18: you could maybe like explain, yes, explain the situation. I'm
Speaker 18: just trying to find now. I'm trying to scrabble to
Speaker 18: try to find a replacement for you know, something I
Speaker 18: don't I don't know what's getting what to do.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm sorry this happened, Dan, I said, Thank god,
Speaker 7: I just got home the stove man's go work. Could
Speaker 7: call you. I heard the phone ring and as I
Speaker 7: was getting in the door. But oh my god, it's
Speaker 7: just I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna fix. I just
Speaker 7: called my lawyer. He's checking over the find that was
Speaker 7: going on.
Speaker 2: He just called his lawyer wing.
Speaker 7: Oh see what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 18: Yeah, because I'm you know, I'm out quite quite a
Speaker 18: bit of money too on the flight in the hotel and.
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, I know, your money back to the hotel hopefully.
Speaker 18: Now because it's not twenty four hours. They won't. I
Speaker 18: already called. They wouldn't give me the money back. Oh shit,
Speaker 18: So I'm kind of man.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry that I could be maybe next time, but
Speaker 7: set up a podcast something. I'll be glad.
Speaker 18: To do that for you, okay, man, you know, and
Speaker 18: keep keep in touch. Maybe we could have you come
Speaker 18: to a makeup or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 18: Well, you know, keep stay in touch and keep me,
Speaker 18: keep me in a loop with the license and what's
Speaker 18: going on with the Trump stuff and your your license.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then just again, you know when you want
Speaker 7: to do this podcast, so you get a chance. I'd
Speaker 7: love to be able to come back, you know, to me.
Speaker 7: It's been fishing me off twice. And you know, my
Speaker 7: writer expecting to see me now you gotta call him,
Speaker 7: tell him I can't make it. It was uh, it
Speaker 7: was really a great opportunity for me to have to
Speaker 7: be able to.
Speaker 8: Do one time.
Speaker 18: Right, Yeah, I know you're like forward to seeing the
Speaker 18: book writer, so just sometimes yeah, absolutely, just keep in touch. Okay,
Speaker 18: have a great day you too.
Speaker 2: I guess he's not coming. What the fuck? I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to begin. I mean, that's absolutely insanity.
Speaker 7: Like he.
Speaker 2: The tangents, the yes exactly. He just went off on
Speaker 2: so many different like every time there was some way
Speaker 2: to connect, like every time there was like he just
Speaker 2: he just kind of kept like it was basically like
Speaker 2: one long run on sentence. You know, he just kept
Speaker 2: something else, like he just talked about Trump and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden talking about football.
Speaker 24: And here's the thing, John, Yeah, right, exactly, here's the thing,
Speaker 24: exactly like he's and what is I guess what's really
Speaker 24: the most brilliant and at the same time horrifying.
Speaker 2: Thing is how casually he does it. Yes, and I
Speaker 2: know that that's kind of the the thing, and wrestlers
Speaker 2: do that, But I'll tell you, I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: there's something about the way Sid does it that you're
Speaker 2: if you're not, if you're not kind of of the
Speaker 2: right mind set and you're not on your own game,
Speaker 2: he could fool you.
Speaker 25: Yep, yep, amen, because he keeps just talking and talking
Speaker 25: and talking. He just exhausts you to the point where
Speaker 25: it's like it's going to be easier at this. I'm
Speaker 25: already pissed off with this guy to begin with. It's
Speaker 25: not going to make me feel any better to let
Speaker 25: him talk at me for twenty five minutes about tangential subjects.
Speaker 2: And he knows it's not only that, but he's just
Speaker 2: the way he just keeps going and he knows.
Speaker 6: This he's not doing it because he's he's not doing
Speaker 6: it by mistake. The more he talks to you can talk,
Speaker 6: you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep. So in other words, good guy and a pleasure
Speaker 2: to deal with, and a guy who never got a
Speaker 2: fair shake in the business. I mean, what the fuck? Seriously,
Speaker 2: what the fuck?
Speaker 6: And you got to think how many times he played
Speaker 6: cards like that? Eleven years on a license?
Speaker 2: Is what he said?
Speaker 6: You see something like that, like, I mean, maybe I
Speaker 6: don't know, Maybe it's getting arrested for having weed on you.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's what the problem is. You can't It was
Speaker 6: another one of those like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 6: what it could be, you know, over and over again.
Speaker 6: And my wife read it to me over the phone.
Speaker 6: So that explains why he doesn't have it on his person.
Speaker 6: But what and he didn't have a license when he
Speaker 6: got pulled over with the marijuana either, right.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Seriously, it really is unbelievable.
Speaker 6: So you can imagine just how how breathless the headlines
Speaker 6: were about how Trump you know, sid blames.
Speaker 2: Trump in the twist.
Speaker 6: Don't imagine on the twisted every promoter saying about this
Speaker 6: guy all this time and he mentioned the book. You know,
Speaker 6: he mentioned he was going to meet with a writer
Speaker 6: too when he was out there. And needless to say,
Speaker 6: we've gone all these weeks talking about Sid and we
Speaker 6: never had an opportunity to quote from his book because
Speaker 6: let me give you a guest, boss, do you think
Speaker 6: it came out?
Speaker 2: Do you think it was no?
Speaker 6: Do you think it was problem an issue free trying
Speaker 6: to work with Sid on getting a book out about
Speaker 6: his life.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that there were some inconsistencies on the
Speaker 2: level of Diana Hart.
Speaker 6: It came out in review form to select few, very
Speaker 6: few have seen the book Sid decided to write, called
Speaker 6: Poetry in the Sand.
Speaker 2: The Israel story came.
Speaker 6: Out in twenty twelve. Now a wrestler, a writer at
Speaker 6: Slam Wrestling named Tom Letterge was able to get his
Speaker 6: hands on the book. And this is the description we're
Speaker 6: able to get. If anybody, are you out there in
Speaker 6: the Solar System by hook or by crook, is in
Speaker 6: receipt of a copy of this thing, we would love
Speaker 6: to see it. But it's not a huge loss because
Speaker 6: from what I understand, it's just like that phone call.
Speaker 2: Well, but then again, that is a huge loss, right
Speaker 2: for entertainment.
Speaker 6: Factor, or I should say it as Sid says it right, right,
Speaker 6: right right. Poetry in the Sand. Tom writes detail Sid
Speaker 6: Vicious is larger than life persona, but is small and
Speaker 6: wrestling dirt. First off, the title of this Sid Vicious biography,
Speaker 6: Poetry in the Sand, is based on a misheard Beach
Speaker 6: Boys lyric from California Girls. Author Barry R. Norman writes
Speaker 6: at the stand in for palm Trees in the Sand
Speaker 6: reminded him of the six seven, three hundred pound Vicious
Speaker 6: Sports Sydney Udy. Norman explains that he and Psycho Sid
Speaker 6: met and became friends during their time at World Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 6: Udi was an in ring ruler of the World in
Speaker 6: Norman working television production. Norman is a self described media
Speaker 6: junkie who has worked in print, me movie's music, and
Speaker 6: even promoting the Olympics. He has self published other books,
Speaker 6: but in this his first one on professional wrestling, The
Speaker 6: Udi Baya, was published by Stillwater River Publications. The book's
Speaker 6: forward gives great detail about the men's friendship and how
Speaker 6: things very recently went wrong. Early on, Uti poses the
Speaker 6: question do you think you know me? Perhaps most wrestling
Speaker 6: fans do remember his beginning as Lordymungus as w CW
Speaker 6: battles with Sid and Hulk Stinging Hulkogan Rather and his
Speaker 6: World Wrestling Federation now World Wrestling Entertainment squash match against
Speaker 6: the late Big Bully Busick along with his manager Harvey
Speaker 6: Whippleman Downtown Bruno. Udye spends a great deal of the
Speaker 6: book detailing his childhood, which began on an Air Force
Speaker 6: base in Moses Lake, Washington and more famously for his fans,
Speaker 6: West Memphis, Arkansas. Although Norman wrote the book, it is
Speaker 6: entirely in Udie's oftentimes hyperkinetic tempo with a run on,
Speaker 6: sometimes rambling, and random style reminiscent of Jack Carroll Wacken
Speaker 6: Hunter S. Thompson Sid was Wrestling's Hunter S Thompson.
Speaker 2: That's that's Ie Wow.
Speaker 6: Youuty details how his family moved frequently, especially after his
Speaker 6: parents split. He spent quality time with some of the
Speaker 6: men his mother dated and had relationships with following the
Speaker 6: marriage breakup. As a growing teen, you'd he worked long
Speaker 6: hours on farms under the stifling Arkansas sun, saving money
Speaker 6: for brand new sports cars that enabled him to rack
Speaker 6: up DUIs and other traffic citations in a short period
Speaker 6: of time.
Speaker 2: Oh my God good.
Speaker 6: He explores childhood adventures along with drug and alcohol use.
Speaker 6: The one hundred and fifty two page tome is a
Speaker 6: quick read, but don't look for much in the way
Speaker 6: of backstage wrestling stories. He addresses the infamous arn Anderson's
Speaker 6: stabbing incident in less than.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want that. I wow what
Speaker 2: he's going to do with all the craziness. He knows
Speaker 2: what you want, and he's gonna wait for you. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's gonna insist that you sit down and eat like
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of your meal as vegetables before he
Speaker 2: gives you like five percent of yummy st Yes, in
Speaker 2: less than one hundred words, and it is fifty nine
Speaker 2: pages in before he devotes time to his horrific and
Speaker 2: ring like break in ww Oodi notes that his animosity
Speaker 2: toward w B chairman and CEO Vince McMahon helped him
Speaker 2: get through rehab. Norman confirms that Udy was indeed angry
Speaker 2: with Nicmahn despite not being employed by w B when
Speaker 2: the injury occurred. In chapter ten, Throwing Everybody under the Bus,
Speaker 2: Oodie takes a jarring turn from stories to strange declarations.
Speaker 2: He claims to never have missed a booking due to softball.
Speaker 2: Anyone who has followed his independent bookings nose that's an
Speaker 2: abject fallacy. In fact, he claims to not play softball
Speaker 2: but semi professional tittly winks. Excuse, excuse me.
Speaker 6: According to Norman, Udi doesn't relish in wrestling talk, but
Speaker 6: would rather talk about his years growing up. I wonder
Speaker 6: why you will find that here and you'll grow to
Speaker 6: appreciate this somewhat low key former champion. The storytelling does
Speaker 6: take a less Thompson esk Ryde in the book Rest
Speaker 6: of the Way. Probably Udi is introspective when it comes
Speaker 6: to faith religion. His relationship with his loving aunt Joyce
Speaker 6: is the highlight of the book. His love of music,
Speaker 6: snippets of song lyrics that are meaningful to him dot
Speaker 6: the book, and personal relationships. There is a strange chapter
Speaker 6: dedicated to the coda angle Ud believes would be a
Speaker 6: great wrestling angle, but could only be told by the
Speaker 6: same team that brought the film The Peanut Butter Falcon
Speaker 6: to the big screen, or by Norman's own film contacts.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry what now.
Speaker 6: The coda angle revolves around a gigantic, masked wrestler named
Speaker 6: Faust who comes out of independent Wrestling Nowhere and resembles
Speaker 6: a certain destructive behemoth. Faust's wheelchair bound manager dukes McMahon
Speaker 6: into signing Faust to a contract. After much exposition, much
Speaker 6: more detail than any program in WW history, it's determined
Speaker 6: that Faust is in fact a superpowered ud. A happy,
Speaker 6: satisfying ending ultimately concludes Udy's storied career. So sign good
Speaker 6: Pitch Boss. The coda angle, I don't really have a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: And now for the Udi.
Speaker 6: In Norman's story, According to Norman, a long time ago,
Speaker 6: the two met on the job and bonded over their
Speaker 6: shared love of softball, and remained best friends until recently.
Speaker 6: In fact, Poetry in the Sand with Uty emulating Marvel
Speaker 6: Comics Sandman on the front cover is currently in distribution
Speaker 6: limbo in some buying platforms, according to Norman. On June twelfth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, Amazon notified in the email that the book
Speaker 6: was pulled from its website, noting that they don't want
Speaker 6: to get into the middle of a legal dispute. At
Speaker 6: press time, a resolution for this dispute is still pending.
Speaker 6: In recent bonds if not weeks, The friends have had
Speaker 6: a falling out, most of it seems to surround a
Speaker 6: planned visit to Utie's home, as well as the tone
Speaker 6: of the book itself. The rift widened from there. Most notably,
Speaker 6: Uti in his legal team argued that the book did
Speaker 6: not have a legal certificate of registration. Oh my god, Si,
Speaker 6: guy who can't figure out why he does have a
Speaker 6: license is filing lawsuits saying you don't have a valiant
Speaker 6: certificate of registration. But Norman is quick to provide proof
Speaker 6: that he has crossed his tees and dotted his eyes.
Speaker 6: On the Vicious Circle podcast, duty is discussed replacing Norman
Speaker 6: as his biographer. In their now evaporated friendship, Both men
Speaker 6: have admitted to experiencing bouts of depression, and Norman says
Speaker 6: the two bonded over their troubles as well as their
Speaker 6: happier times. Sadly, Norman says Uti has recently reached out
Speaker 6: to him. However, its his opinion that their friendship is
Speaker 6: irrevek irrevocably broken. Editor's note for more in the Conflict
Speaker 6: of the biopleasee Letargy's previous slam Wrestling dot Net story,
Speaker 6: Slim Wrestling dot Net did reach out to Udi through
Speaker 6: Rob his podcast co host, to offer Udi the opportunity
Speaker 6: to share his side of the story. Bellamy responded to
Speaker 6: the email quote as for the book, once the legal
Speaker 6: side has wrapped, both Sid and myself would be happy
Speaker 6: to talk about it. Nonetheless, thanks to Norman's seasoned guidance
Speaker 6: with Poetry in the Sand, we do get to know
Speaker 6: who Udie is, and the One Time Skyscraper is as
Speaker 6: complicated as a wrestling fan may surmise. He isn't as
Speaker 6: detailed as the writings of Christ Jericho or mcfoley, but
Speaker 6: it is a must read for anyone yearning to know
Speaker 6: more about Udi. Norman's next project is writing a play
Speaker 6: about the infamous Montreal screwjob, written in Shakespeare in English.
Speaker 14: Ah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, good luck getting a Sid book out. I
Speaker 6: doesn't this guy sound the biggest nightmare in the world
Speaker 6: to deal with?
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, sounds like just a complete I don't
Speaker 2: even know. Ah, I mean I need this book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we need to find it. It sounds like
Speaker 2: it's for a limited period of time it was out there.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, but it's an important artifact. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen really any evidence. I saw a screenship screenshot, but
Speaker 2: a photo someone put up holding it with a cover
Speaker 2: in their hand. But I haven't seen any indication that
Speaker 2: what's it called again, what do you call the book
Speaker 2: Poetry in the Sand? I mean, that's what he called
Speaker 2: this book, Okay, poetry in the sand? Called this book
Speaker 2: poetry in the sand? Or poetry in the sand? In
Speaker 2: the sand? Yes, poetry in the Sand. I yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 6: So perhaps sensing that the book was not necessarily forthcoming
Speaker 6: in terms of wider distribution and no longer needing to
Speaker 6: hold back on, you know, just talking openly and freely
Speaker 6: on some of the details of his of his life
Speaker 6: that he thought he'd save for the book. That that's
Speaker 6: always the most frustrating part of any wrestler's life is
Speaker 6: when they think they have a book coming that someone
Speaker 6: wants to read, and they're interviewed one hundred times and
Speaker 6: they withhold things, you'll have to read the book, Oh god, please,
Speaker 6: I won't have to read the book. Say it now
Speaker 6: or forever. Hold your piece, because you're really testing my
Speaker 6: patience right now and my interest. In fact, you're making
Speaker 6: me not want to buy the book so that you
Speaker 6: don't get to win this fucking strange tug of war
Speaker 6: who we're engaged in. But so he starts a podcast.
Speaker 6: It's called The Vicious Circle, and the co host is
Speaker 6: someone we've heard, you know, in snippets along the way,
Speaker 6: and he starts talking about his career and his life
Speaker 6: and his upbringing and color is and a lot of
Speaker 6: things that we weren't sure about. For instance, why is
Speaker 6: Washington state listed? It's his birthplace when he was such
Speaker 6: an Arkansas boy and his family sharecroppers in the area
Speaker 6: because he was born on an air Force base and
Speaker 6: Washington was gone from that spot within a couple of
Speaker 6: years and moved all around as his father, a hot
Speaker 6: shit air Force pilot, flew all over the place and
Speaker 6: thus leading to Sid's interest and ability and flying, but
Speaker 6: definitely not the kind of you know relationship. It's just
Speaker 6: like Scott Hall's relationship with his dad, you know, hot
Speaker 6: shit army father, who he had a fair degree of
Speaker 6: distance from, you know, and didn't really know all that well.
Speaker 6: And so he gets to talking and he's going through
Speaker 6: his career and at one point he takes us back
Speaker 6: to Japan where he wrestled very briefly as Vicious Machine.
Speaker 6: You remember this where he came in worked for Jinami
Speaker 6: and Anoki and stuff, And my god, does he have
Speaker 6: a whopper of a story that we have. The podcast
Speaker 6: he launched in twenty twenty one, I believe it was
Speaker 6: to thank for.
Speaker 1: Sling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
Speaker 1: their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan
Speaker 1: wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo m JP Soro.
Speaker 14: I love Japan though, man, it was it was fun.
Speaker 14: The only thing is you were over there, you were starving.
Speaker 11: I was.
Speaker 14: I took her big duffer bag of Danna sausages and
Speaker 14: oh my god, chicken, devil hand chicken, devil chicken, all
Speaker 14: that crappy stuff. Now the Vienna sausages. Will I go
Speaker 14: to the Japanese. They take me out and feed me
Speaker 14: all night. You come back, go, yeah, sausage, you want
Speaker 14: to silence?
Speaker 6: He took the Viennas to Japan. The Viennas weren't just
Speaker 6: a thing that the church got him into.
Speaker 2: They were they were what he needed to survive. Was
Speaker 2: popping tops and the lady's intel. Can you imagine like
Speaker 2: he's on a fucking plane, all right. You know, you're
Speaker 2: sitting on a plane opposite this fucking behemoth, all right,
Speaker 2: Like you're in the aisle and you're across the Offerman
Speaker 2: and you know, he's just kind of like sitting there.
Speaker 2: Number one, He's just sitting there. He does not have
Speaker 2: any sort of entertainment, doesn't read, watch a movie, all right,
Speaker 2: He just plaid shirt, yep, tugs in the jeans, baseball hat,
Speaker 2: seat belt. He just sits there, seated like he's in restraints,
Speaker 2: right and just staring ahead and not moving at all.
Speaker 2: All right. Now, if you're sitting up on the opposite
Speaker 2: aisle of him, like you keep looking over there and
Speaker 2: you're you're obviously getting nervous, and so it's got to
Speaker 2: be alarming when he finally makes the move to reach
Speaker 2: down into his his his uh uh, you know, his
Speaker 2: bag whatever you call it, the carry on and the
Speaker 2: what personal personal bag, and you're like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: You know, you're probably thinking he's gonna grab, like get
Speaker 2: a bomb or a gun or something that was able
Speaker 2: to smuggle on, but instead he pulls out a tiny
Speaker 2: fucking can of Vienna sausages, fucking takes the key tab,
Speaker 2: opens it up and you can, you know, and right
Speaker 2: then there's a little bit of turbulence, so some of
Speaker 2: the juice like flies out onto his tray, onto his uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and so this is a little bit messed there.
Speaker 2: And then he like he just takes his middle finger
Speaker 2: and just wipes it off and licks his fingers and
Speaker 2: then starts just putting his finger in the can and
Speaker 2: taking out sausages and eating them. And that's what he does.
Speaker 2: Like just you watch him because you can't not watch this, this, this,
Speaker 2: this this complete ogre. You can't not watch him eat
Speaker 2: these tiny little fucking penis sausages. That's what he does.
Speaker 2: You watch him. And then when he's done, they come
Speaker 2: over and you know, they're like, get your trash, any
Speaker 2: trash you just puts it in there, and then he
Speaker 2: goes back to sitting completely still horrifying, absolutely horrifying. Also
Speaker 2: watching him eat worthy the Japanese. I guess so, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess they're all. CID's coming. Oh, Vienna's in the hotel.
Speaker 2: We got Vienna's a wrestler state.
Speaker 6: It wasn't just Vienna. It's coming to find out. Sid
Speaker 6: realized that if he ate some of this low grade food,
Speaker 6: in front of the Japanese as a wrestling superstar. They
Speaker 6: would take it quite personally and see do it that
Speaker 6: Sid was fed some of the finer foods Japan.
Speaker 2: Had to offer. God, and oh my god, let me.
Speaker 6: Tell you, boss, it doesn't take very many cycles for
Speaker 6: Sid to realize that trick.
Speaker 2: I'm staying Toyo.
Speaker 14: Tokyo Plaza, I think it was named hotel, and there's
Speaker 14: where all the dignitaries were staying. And so I was,
Speaker 14: you know, in the lobby, and every time I stood up,
Speaker 14: everybody reached over to point.
Speaker 2: A gun at me. Now tell my star know there
Speaker 2: we were.
Speaker 14: I mean, I just couldn't afford to eat that kind
Speaker 14: of food. I'm trying to take every penny home with me,
Speaker 14: and so I lost minisult white, and so I'd go
Speaker 14: to the store and get me some peanut butter with
Speaker 14: a new bananas and brand. I'd go down Bobby ate
Speaker 14: these things that it was a big insult to the promoters.
Speaker 14: First they see you lives in white. Then the fans
Speaker 14: see me in the hotel, you know, peanut butter sandwiches,
Speaker 14: so they'd get real upset, and they all take me
Speaker 14: out to eat every night.
Speaker 2: And I took advantage of that. Man.
Speaker 14: I've talked about being an opportunitist, right, well, I did.
Speaker 14: When I realized that work. I did that every chance
Speaker 14: I could.
Speaker 6: Man Sid sitting in the lobby of the hotel making
Speaker 6: a show out of his peanut butter and banana sandwich,
Speaker 6: knowing that it would hustle him another free, high class meal.
Speaker 2: I don't see any problem with that. Gods how to
Speaker 2: work the system.
Speaker 6: August twenty sixth, twenty twenty four, it is with heavy
Speaker 6: hearts that we announced the passing of Sydney Ray Udi,
Speaker 6: who was born December sixteenth, nineteen sixty in Moses Lake, Washington.
Speaker 6: He passed from this earth on August twenty sixth, peacefully
Speaker 6: at home after a long, private and courageous battle with
Speaker 6: non Hodgkins lymphoma and chronic heart issues. Sid was a
Speaker 6: beloved husband, father, grandfather, son, brother, friend, and mentor. He
Speaker 6: was known for his kindness, humor, generosity in living his
Speaker 6: life on his own terms. Although he traveled the world wrestling,
Speaker 6: his heart was always back home in Arkansas. He was
Speaker 6: especially proud of his three grandchildren, Raylan Udy, Charlotte Udy,
Speaker 6: and Frankie Udy. Who brought immense joy to their pauper's life.
Speaker 6: Sid is survived by his wife, Sabrina, his two sons,
Speaker 6: Frank Udy Ashton of Naples, Florida, and Gunner Udy Kelly
Speaker 6: of Mary in Arkansas. His mother married Joe Howard. His
Speaker 6: sisters Bobby Udy and Margot Udi had several nieces and nephews.
Speaker 6: He is preceded in death by his father Bobby, Joe Udy,
Speaker 6: his sister Christy Houghton, and his aunt Joyce Good. Though
Speaker 6: his presence will be deeply missed, his memory will live
Speaker 6: on in the hearts of all who knew and loved him.
Speaker 6: In honor of Sid's life and legacy, the family kindly
Speaker 6: requests donations be made to a cancer research foundation or
Speaker 6: a heart health charity of your choice. Resting about the cathedral,
Speaker 6: no well, Rest.
Speaker 2: In peace, Sid.
Speaker 6: Your battle is over, but your legacy will endure forever.
Speaker 6: Sid was born December sixteenth, Boss, how close are we?
Speaker 6: This may even drop on?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 6: What would have met his birthday? Yep, his son Gunner
Speaker 6: was really the first to break the news. Most in
Speaker 6: wrestling didn't have any idea Sid was even sick, because,
Speaker 6: as we learned, with a leg break. But the health
Speaker 6: is not. But he's not the picture of health. Sid
Speaker 6: has a way of retreating, has a way of hiding,
Speaker 6: as a way of uh seeing to it that others
Speaker 6: don't know what he's going through. But suddenly, his son
Speaker 6: Gunnar took the Facebook and posted the following earlier this year.
Speaker 6: He was known as psycho Sid vicious to the world,
Speaker 6: but to our family, he was simply Popper, the beloved grandfather.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, what now, popper? Yes, pop popper, like jalapeno popper,
Speaker 6: like how those crowds popped incw there. Sid was diagnosed
Speaker 6: with congest Yeah, they called him hullip. Sid, his father,
Speaker 6: his son wrote, was diagnosed with congestive heart failure in
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. So during all that time, during those phone
Speaker 6: calls and all that foolishness and everything, heart failure and
Speaker 6: atrial fibrillation better known as aphib ah. Around the same time,
Speaker 6: he was also given a pacemaker. In April twenty twenty one,
Speaker 6: he was diagnosed with stage four non Hodgkins lymphoma, which
Speaker 6: was linked to roundup weed killer. Although he never told
Speaker 6: anyone about his fight against cancer, Sid lived his life
Speaker 6: to the fullest attending the gym, boxing classes, making appearances
Speaker 6: for his fans, and of course te ball games for
Speaker 6: the kids. He passed away peacefully in his bed, leaving
Speaker 6: behind a legacy of strength and determination. I've never met
Speaker 6: anyone with a fraction of the strength as my father.
Speaker 6: He truly was one of a kind. Thanks everyone for
Speaker 6: the uplifting words and love. We definitely feel it. We
Speaker 6: have received thousands of messages and are grateful for every
Speaker 6: one of them. I don't have time to reply, but
Speaker 6: I have to. I have read all of them. Thank you,
Speaker 6: thank you, thank you, Signed Gunner Udy. Among the many
Speaker 6: posts on Facebook reflecting on Sid's life and times, a
Speaker 6: couple stood out. One by someone by the name of
Speaker 6: TJ who wrote the memories I have from the House
Speaker 6: and Marion. The one that sticks out the most is
Speaker 6: being power bombed on the waterbed.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: This is one of Sid's former compatriots in the business
Speaker 6: when he did the POB stable in Memphis power pro
Speaker 6: between his wwfront and coming into WW in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 6: By the way, shout out to the homie David Caminister,
Speaker 6: who's able to find out that POB and the promotion
Speaker 6: stood for pride of brotherhood, scintillating stuff.
Speaker 2: That was the name of the wild.
Speaker 6: We didn't know exactly what to call him. And there
Speaker 6: was a wrestler in that stable along with Sid called
Speaker 6: Stunt or Stumpy, who owns a barbecue restaurant not too
Speaker 6: far from where Sid grew up and passed, called Stumpy's
Speaker 6: Backyard Barbecue. And after Sid had a memorial service in
Speaker 6: his hometown, Stumpy took to Facebook, it's been a whole
Speaker 6: day since we laid you to rest, celebrated your life
Speaker 6: here on earth, and paid our respects. You would have
Speaker 6: been proud of your boys.
Speaker 2: I know I was.
Speaker 6: Frank gave an eloquent eulogy, and it's apparent he shares
Speaker 6: your gift of telling stories that puts the listener back
Speaker 6: in time. Gunner kept us all in line and made
Speaker 6: sure everything was arranged perfectly. Obviously skills of yours he
Speaker 6: shares Sid. You and I not only became friends and
Speaker 6: wrestling partners, we became family. Part of being family is
Speaker 6: we may not have always seen eye to eye, and
Speaker 6: sometimes our pride got us, but we never failed to
Speaker 6: come back around, check in and see each other for
Speaker 6: who we really were.
Speaker 2: Brothers. Time flew by fat What it's a brother? What
Speaker 2: who Stumpy did? Wait, don't begin to push this tribute
Speaker 2: to his wrestle Bady, a opponent horrified.
Speaker 6: Help did do an interview with I think a barstool
Speaker 6: podcast where he said I got along great with Suit,
Speaker 6: I mean in the ring. The one thing I can
Speaker 6: say about said is he took care of you. He
Speaker 6: never hurt me in the ring. And then they said, yeah,
Speaker 6: but he was critical of you in some shooting interviews, Hogan.
Speaker 6: One thing that kind of cast me off guard is
Speaker 6: all these guys, and there's several of them, not just
Speaker 6: pointing out Sid, all these guys that I've worked with,
Speaker 6: and all these guys that have done business with, all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, in the twilight of their career, when
Speaker 6: they're done, they do these shooting Hulk didn't know anything
Speaker 6: about the wrestling business, or Hulk was an asshole, And
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, I had no idea that we.
Speaker 2: Felt like this. Sid did some of that towards the end,
Speaker 2: but I would have never hold it against him because
Speaker 2: I love Sid. Brother. Wow, No, I don't, but about
Speaker 2: the Sid, dude, I'm just saying, Brother, you know, I
Speaker 2: thought I knew one thing, and this is a problem
Speaker 2: with the whole. You know exactly with everything?
Speaker 7: Dude.
Speaker 2: You know, I know I knew one thing, but I
Speaker 2: don't know everything. And if I don't know everything, then
Speaker 2: something's amiss. Brother. And can I ask you a question, Hulk?
Speaker 2: When will you know if this is your last match?
Speaker 2: I just won't know until I got out of the ring.
Speaker 6: Time flew By Stump wrote faster than any of us
Speaker 6: could imagine. The kids fishing in your pond, or their
Speaker 6: punishments for bad behavior of cleaning the pond. Frank cleaned
Speaker 6: the pond, digging fishing worms under the old tailgate. The
Speaker 6: Bible stories you gave them that applied to life today.
Speaker 6: The louder than thunder laugh when they would actually.
Speaker 2: Silly with you. The hot padise the hot rolls at Lambert's.
Speaker 2: Sit into it a hot roll, dowb I mean, we know,
Speaker 2: damn well, get a picture like okay, the tablecloth is
Speaker 2: like red and white checkered, right, oh yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: so is the the napkin that holds the biscuits inside
Speaker 2: the basket. And he like unfolds the the the linen covering,
Speaker 2: and he peels a biscuit open and and and you
Speaker 2: can see the steam and like the sunlight that's coming
Speaker 2: in the room of where he's enjoying the hot roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, loan at a table, all right, alone at
Speaker 2: a table.
Speaker 6: Many memories with my kids and more than that, they'll
Speaker 6: never forget the days and hour spent with you at
Speaker 6: the gym and the Chinese fa afterwards, hours of listening practice,
Speaker 6: going over our next show, the hours in the ring together, Vick.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like, you know, complimenting a good workout with
Speaker 2: Chinese buffet, listening practice, going over our next show, the
Speaker 2: hours in the ring together, the unforgettable trips out of town.
Speaker 2: The pob will always live on and we will never
Speaker 2: forget rip. Well done, my friend, Sid, Udy said Vicious
Speaker 2: Psycho Sid, Sid Justice, my friend, my brother until we
Speaker 2: meet again, Pride of brotherhood, Love Stump. Interestingly, there was
Speaker 2: a billboard that went up not too long ago a
Speaker 2: Times Square or around Times Square where a hip hop
Speaker 2: artists by the name of West Side Gun just put
Speaker 2: out an album called Still Praying, and the cover for
Speaker 2: the project is just a picture of Sid in the ring.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Doriga's career, just standing there, you know,
Speaker 2: with a Bental advisory explicit lyrics thing right up on it.
Speaker 2: It's something to see. That's wild. As for.
Speaker 6: You know, the family that Sid left behind, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, we talk about softball, and we joke about softball, and.
Speaker 2: It is a joke.
Speaker 6: I think we've established that the way he talked, the
Speaker 6: way it factored into his life story and his wrestling
Speaker 6: story is is hilarious but boss some. But then you
Speaker 6: come across a picture like the one I just sent you,
Speaker 6: Sid looking through the fence at a little league field
Speaker 6: with I can only supposed to be as one of
Speaker 6: his grandchildren, and he's wearing the exact shirt you talked about, Yep.
Speaker 2: Exactly, He's worried a fucking plaid shirt. You know, I
Speaker 2: bet that's you know, I bet I bet he doesn't
Speaker 2: know who that kid is. Yeah, smiling down nick, random kid, Right,
Speaker 2: you're probably right. You don't play softball. You won't know
Speaker 2: something kid once. He's real, simple, ah amn is real.
Speaker 6: And I think in a lot of ways, the guy
Speaker 6: that shattered him his entire career in a lot of
Speaker 6: ways and shared the ring with him. Connective tissue from
Speaker 6: the earliest WCW days and the skyscrapers through to the
Speaker 6: WWF and the top of the WWF, all the way
Speaker 6: through into Sid's WCW Return the guy he probably headlined
Speaker 6: with more than anybody and swapped more titles with Kevin
Speaker 6: Nash himself put it this way visav Softball and VISA
Speaker 6: V Life reflecting on the passing of Sid on this podcast.
Speaker 13: Obviously he's right, he's he's passed on at sixty three
Speaker 13: years old. He didn't miss those fucking softball games. He
Speaker 13: went and did it what the fuck he wanted to do,
Speaker 13: because when he was forty years old, fucking they wanted
Speaker 13: to push him, and he said, I'm in the middle
Speaker 13: of a tournament right now, and they all said, oh,
Speaker 13: Sid don't know what the fuck he's doing. Well, when
Speaker 13: Sid got brain cancer, he fucking I guarantee you if
Speaker 13: I said, said, I am so fucking glad that I
Speaker 13: didn't have these motherfuckers, glad.
Speaker 2: I took that that I took, my time, took my
Speaker 2: fucker did it his way, right, It's true. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: there is some truth in that, no question. And we
Speaker 2: know Sid.
Speaker 6: In his own way found God as a man who
Speaker 6: self admittedly never went to church, did not interestingly enough,
Speaker 6: considered the part of the country he grew up in,
Speaker 6: and how conversing he seemed to be in that Israel
Speaker 6: promo about Biblical verses and Pentecostal and Episcopalian denominations and using,
Speaker 6: you know, his understanding of religion to get heat, not
Speaker 6: somebody who was who's very, very church going. But we
Speaker 6: know that eventually he found Saint Mary's Cathedral in Memphis,
Speaker 6: he found the weekly pop top lunches. And I don't
Speaker 6: know what to say other than for the last several
Speaker 6: years of his life, there was a little more on
Speaker 6: his mind than this church, in this meal program that
Speaker 6: he found for for for the homeless and less fortunate
Speaker 6: in Memphis. And I thought, in the spirit of that,
Speaker 6: I'd put together a little final ode to a love
Speaker 6: story the likes of which we never expected to uncover
Speaker 6: here on our tribute to sid mister Judy's affection, bond
Speaker 6: and holy matrimony the Viginnas.
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and
Speaker 10: I sent him an autograph picture. I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 10: a Christian, but I.
Speaker 11: Do go to church and into things I like.
Speaker 7: During Saturday mornings, we go over there.
Speaker 2: It's called pop tops.
Speaker 7: To about nine.
Speaker 26: Thirty weeks with them.
Speaker 11: I'm bag the bags, got your kids being the sausages
Speaker 11: and pack the packers a.
Speaker 7: Moon town, a bottle of water, and they did a.
Speaker 2: Little bag of ladies or something.
Speaker 26: I think you out about either one hundred hundred of
Speaker 26: those every Saturday, and if just in case, uh, there's
Speaker 26: a there's a big fan of virus robb out there.
Speaker 13: His name is Joe.
Speaker 15: I don't remember his last name.
Speaker 14: But he actually sent some either some Deanna sausages for
Speaker 14: my charity or he sent some vitamins for my charity,
Speaker 14: children's vitamins.
Speaker 13: Oh really, and he.
Speaker 14: Calls me all the times and bugs eat Pete, bugs
Speaker 14: the ship out of me. But he's he's uh, he
Speaker 14: moves from Washington. He's running away from the coronavirus. He
Speaker 14: moved to Indianapolis outside of there and started he works
Speaker 14: Worth casino and all of a sudden, now he's laid off.
Speaker 14: You know, he's trying to move to my house. Joe,
Speaker 14: you can't come here. Who's the deacon who? Again, he
Speaker 14: doesn't get paid, never been paid, ten or twenty years.
Speaker 14: He's been there af forget how long. But he's given
Speaker 14: over two hundred and fifty thousand cans of Viennas over
Speaker 14: the last ten years or so, that maybe in the
Speaker 14: future we might all try to get the other together
Speaker 14: and make a little drive sensivienna sausages or something like that.
Speaker 19: You know.
Speaker 14: I used to tell people to send Vienna's to them
Speaker 14: because I didn't want to be in the middle. I
Speaker 14: didn't want to receive money and nothing. But talking to
Speaker 14: Drew about one of the things we could do, and
Speaker 14: I don't what do you want to do it right now?
Speaker 14: Till we get, you know, find more about it. That
Speaker 14: we can send it to Saint Mary's Cathedral, to.
Speaker 22: The church under under Drew woods Woodruff under discretionary funds,
Speaker 22: and he could use that because we're able to go
Speaker 22: now to what's called the food things, and we're instead
Speaker 22: of paying forty to fifty cents acand of Vienna's, we're
Speaker 22: able to pay a pen times for them if they
Speaker 22: have them, you know, because you buy it by the pound.
Speaker 2: It's pretty tough to to someone know they can't have
Speaker 2: a Canavannas? All right?
Speaker 15: Is it?
Speaker 14: Any last words?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 14: I just want everyone to that are interested for this
Speaker 14: is you know, the new year, and let's I'll keep
Speaker 14: ourselves with that thought in mind, and let's try to
Speaker 14: do more positive things. I do want to say something
Speaker 14: real quick too. I'm not sure. One day this month,
Speaker 14: I'm going to be doing a radio broadcast with the
Speaker 14: bishop of our church, and they're going to talk about
Speaker 14: what we do on Wednesdays and Saturday mornings is called
Speaker 14: pop tops. The pop top means exactly that it's either
Speaker 14: a Canaviannas or a Canna tuna or a spam or
Speaker 14: something like that. We put in a bag, pack of crackers,
Speaker 14: a bottle of water, h maybe a moon pie, bag
Speaker 14: of raising. That's what we give to people that, you know,
Speaker 14: you know, homeless. I don't like to use the word homeless.
Speaker 14: We like to say the ones that are miss unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Right now, I think we all hope, boss, that we
Speaker 2: can find our own can of Viennas, don't we. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's the dream.
Speaker 19: N know.
Speaker 2: I had it on. I had you know, my mute
Speaker 2: button on because I just want to let that play out.
Speaker 2: But I was hurting, hurting every time he fucking talked
Speaker 2: about Vienna's. I mean, what the fuck, hosages?
Speaker 6: I didn't expect when we launched our tribute to Sid,
Speaker 6: after all the memories he gave us in the ring
Speaker 6: and then being so formative during the Galory days, the
Speaker 6: Golden era, the Hasbro era, that after tribute and serenading
Speaker 6: that another gift he would give us is we can
Speaker 6: never look at a can of Vienna's on a shelf
Speaker 6: and a family dollar the same again. I'm gonna think
Speaker 6: of this man whenever I see any canned meet for
Speaker 6: the rest of my life. And a possession that Sid
Speaker 6: valued towards his final days and his twilight, and a
Speaker 6: lot of people didn't know was his twilight when he
Speaker 6: was doing things like this, but it was was get
Speaker 6: his hands on another tractor, said in his podcast, you
Speaker 6: know the other day, got a tractor. Got that gonna
Speaker 6: landscaping business pretty much, it's just tractors doing a lot
Speaker 6: of bush hogging. And said also got him some commercial
Speaker 6: property and residential property.
Speaker 2: Got a good crew. You know, before he got into wrestling,
Speaker 2: he was a farmer.
Speaker 6: He would walk with his childhood friend and follow the
Speaker 6: railroad tracks and hunt their way all the way to
Speaker 6: the Mississippian back and it'spent hours and hours and hours
Speaker 6: in the brush and the fields and the planes and
Speaker 6: all the rest, and he went through to years as
Speaker 6: a chemical salesman in the agricultural business, cited all those
Speaker 6: years later as perhaps a contributing cause of his cancer.
Speaker 6: But for said, you know, even if it ironically wasn't
Speaker 6: the wrestling business that got him, though it certainly did
Speaker 6: him in if it was in fact the other career,
Speaker 6: the parallel life he led, the Bucolic farm life that
Speaker 6: he led his true north after all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: done nothing.
Speaker 7: Better for me.
Speaker 15: In the morning, get it at three thirty, go to
Speaker 15: the gym, be home by six thirty, and be on
Speaker 15: my tractor heading to the field about six forty five.
Speaker 15: That to me was one of the greatest feelings of
Speaker 15: the world. Is already had half a day by me,
Speaker 15: and as sun rises and I'm going out there and
Speaker 15: I'm starting the second part of my day at six
Speaker 15: thirty when everybody else is still asleep. And that's what
Speaker 15: you get as a farmer. It's that kind of gratification.
Speaker 15: And I love those days like that, you know. I
Speaker 15: love being out in the field like that. And it's
Speaker 15: been a lot of fun doing that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Boss.
Speaker 6: We started this TLF tribute to Sid, who in so
Speaker 6: many ways is his tlfx's at Cats Good Story couldn't
Speaker 6: be a better fit to enter our tenth year of podcasting.
Speaker 6: We started this wondering how this man was able to
Speaker 6: go around for so many years saying I am the
Speaker 6: Master and the Ruler of the world. Yes, and no
Speaker 6: one batter Dean I. No one let out a chuckle.
Speaker 6: No one seemed to think that the phrase, despite being
Speaker 6: patently absurd, strain credulity all after taking stock of his
Speaker 6: life and times. Maybe the reason, Boss, I think I
Speaker 6: got it that it never seemed like a stretch for
Speaker 6: Sid to claim that he was the Master and the
Speaker 6: ruler of the world. Maybe it was because he was
Speaker 6: in his own world all along, And in the final analysis,
Speaker 6: it seems everyone was grateful for the time that they
Speaker 6: got to spend in it with him.
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