Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
s e O and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling,
I never seen anything.
Speaker 3: And it's the laps fan name by the one in
the ring.
Speaker 2: Forget about Slado. He the real king of swing. When
the bell goes in and the kick like me throwing
in the corner. But it's lash like stick. Even Jerry
King can sake off the crowd. Nodded in his head
like it. Steve low Brown, would you get low down?
Speaker 4: Go even high up?
Speaker 2: Flipp you on your head?
Speaker 5: But you know cool driver, you speak more now and
dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head
treats higher drop a more truth than the con of
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Speaker 2: Roddy Piper, Jack a JP.
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the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the
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Speaker 2: If you are a classic a.
Speaker 6: Pos it has to end. A life of Sid has
to end, and therefore the TLF tribute.
Speaker 2: To Sid has to end. Boss. Yes, yes, it's fair enough, fair.
Speaker 6: Enough TLFX, and it's fitting because as this you know prototypical,
quintessential tlf treatment of a subject that I think in
Sid is as TLFX as it gets.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, well, you know what, you know what
just something just hit me right now? What was our first.
Speaker 6: Show SummerSlam ninety one when he made his debut, Yes,
when he first made his impression upon us as fans.
Speaker 2: Right when he shows face out the curtain, you know,
situated as we were at the time as w W fans. Yep.
Speaker 6: I mean it's the more I go through this, the
more I realize, like Sid's career touches the stuff that
we were we were steeped in before we ever hit
record for.
Speaker 2: The lapsed fan right exactly.
Speaker 6: These are the places we could go to without even
having to do much in the way of research, to
be able to talk for hours and hours about true
and there was a lot was there more to Sid
And it made it that work, and it made it
that much more rewarding to learn all of that because
we started from the base you're talking about, yep. This
is somebody that we didn't have to force ourselves to
care about or discover. And the way people talked about
him after his passing and the unique qualities that he
brought to the business in terms of charisma, in terms
of being able to draw people, in in terms of
being able to stay paid and employed despite being by
all accounts, one of the biggest pains in the ass
to ever sign a wrestling contract. If he even did
sign a contract, which wasn't always the case, yet he stayed.
He stayed someone that people were interested in his next move,
even when that next move couldn't have been a step forward, because,
as we talked about last time in our penultimate episode,
the leg snap in two thousand and one completely transformed
to not only the fans SID to be, but who
Sid saw himself to be. Because if he has to
be on the shelf for all these months, in fact
years before he could even do something resembling a wrestling
match again, for someone who didn't even want to leave
the house unless he looked completely jacked like a fucking
Marvel superhero, it took a mental toll, if not just
a physical one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: And he talked about all the legal ramifications and how
that all went sort of a round trip for Sid
as he tried to pick up the pieces after WCW
closed and he was mending his broken wheel. But now
on the final leg of our tribute to Sid, we're
going to take stock of what happened after he could
no longer go in the ring. For all intents and purposes,
it's not like he had zero matches after WCW SIN,
but it might as well have been.
Speaker 2: I mean, because he did he did do some like
some quick things. Didn't didn't he beat like didn't he
beat that redhead goof? I have very good raw.
Speaker 6: I wanted to leave that unset to see if you
would remember, because I wasn't sure how much of an
impact that actually made. But yes, when the mine wants
to say we never saw Sid again after you know
ninety seven, you have to check yourself because that's not true.
As far as WWWWTV, yeah, I do remember him coming
on a couple of times, and I remember him beating
what's his name, what's the redheads name? Heth Slater, the
one man later, the one the one man can right,
the one man shit canned as it were. But yeah,
he was going through that whole thing where he was
coming out and just getting like bulldozed by legends. It
was part of a campaign to build the one thousandth
episode of raw in twenty twelve, right right, Vader had
come back for one shot, Piper had come back, and
they had Michael Cole as a heel commentator back then
in twenty twelve, so he could like call the guys
de crepit and they could, you know, sort of play
dumb and pretend that they weren't making fun of people
that they were bringing back, when of course they were.
Speaker 2: They were just doing it through a.
Speaker 6: Heel announcer voice, so they felt like it wasn't justifying.
So yes, Sid didn't get the call until they had
a framework where they were essentially mocking the people that
they were bringing back.
Speaker 2: Oh God, and for.
Speaker 6: Sid, who saw himself out foxing Vince at every turn
in his career, it certainly was a hilarious finish there
in twenty twelve. But yes, we will get there. Sid
does come out once again in a WW ring with
jeans On, and then we truly don't see him again.
Speaker 2: Did not make any like kind of one off appearances,
not with that he wrestled, but he just kind of
showed up and looked like a goof on WWE.
Speaker 6: I don't think so, no, not that I can recall.
I think he made a single appearance other than the
one you're referencing, and we'll chart what he was doing
in the business and in his life here as we serenade.
Speaker 2: Oh, we know what he was doing. He was taking
care of Vienna's and fucking taking care of the.
Speaker 6: Taking care of that was quite later, but yes, he
did get around to that eventually. It does become a
story of Vienna's and and.
Speaker 2: We're excited to get there. It's like it's like The
Third Man, the movie The Third Man. I wanted to
tell you about old Vienna.
Speaker 6: Right, But we're obliged to say if sid is as
TLFX as it gets, and if twenty twenty four has
been just a true monument to ten years of the
Lapsed Fan, if you were to pick a year where
this podcast gets the recognition it deserves, you would think
it would be on our tenth year anniversary, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so. It would make sense to me.
Speaker 6: Vince has taught us the importance of ten year anniversaries
with WrestleManias and stuff.
Speaker 2: Russell Mania's so.
Speaker 6: Mammy is a big time reset period. So we're obliged
to mention right off the top. If you haven't seen
the news as we record this, it should have been
abundantly clear in our social media and other social media
channels that the folks at the Sports Podcast Group have
seen fit to nominate this very podcast for Wrestling Podcast
of the Year for two twenty four.
Speaker 2: Now we're up.
Speaker 6: Against diff competition and it is a process through which brother.
Speaker 2: What ogen Ogen's podcast that'd be that I would feel threatened.
Speaker 6: There, not Hogan's but other luminaries.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's.
Speaker 6: There's no need to delineate them. But do know that
this comes down to fan voting. This comes down to
this is a volume game, and we've always been quality
over quantity around here. It's why we are who we are.
If we chased quantity from the beginning in terms of
number of listeners, my god, would this show sucked, just
like ninety eight percent of wrestling podcasts that have ever
been created. But we found a niche of people who
were willing to put cheddar on the table to support
hardcore podcasting on this sport shelf life podcasting, and we've
perfected it and we've introduced it as basically the only
reason to do a wrestling podcast beyond you know, covering
the vicissitudes of what happened this week. You know, with
all due respect to the podcast to focus on the
current product, they will never be listened back to in
ten years, right, and they're not designed to. But we're
designed to go up on the fucking Library of Congress
in a wrestling context. And so that podcast absolutely, of course,
at least once, deserves to be called the wrestling podcast
of the year.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 6: I think you know hard pressed would you be hard pressed?
Would you be to find someone you really respect would
disagree with that? And so we on the doorstep of
this final leg of one of the most quintessential things
we've done, one of the most quintessential hashtag lapsed things
we've done, this sprawling tribute to sid that has just
grown different heads and arms and legs, well maybe not legs,
as we've gone. Now more than ever, on the tenth anniversary,
this is the time to exercise yourself, to exercise your
friends and family, to exercise anyone you've ever introduced the
podcast to, anyone who's aware, even if they don't listen
to us or religiously of the impact, that we have
paid unpaid anyone in the sound of our voice and
two three four six degrees beyond. You must go to
the Sports Podcastgroup dot com website that is Sports Podcastgroup
dot com and what they do is the Sports Podcast Awards.
It's across several different categories. All the major sports are represented.
Were up for Best Wrestling. It's very obvious who should win.
And of course it's not something that we ever spend
a lot of time with. You know, our troops rally themselves.
We don't have to rally them. Yeah, but this might
be the exception because there's nothing more TLFX I can
think of. And then we'll walk away, you know, we'll
be happy. It's like, all right, if we want to
lean in, we can demonstrate the dominance that we all
know vibrates beneath the surface of what we do every
time we pick up the microphone. And if there's a
third party acknowledgment opportunity for that, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Hey, I heard what you said there, third party acknowledgment.
That's what I've been striving for my whole life. Jesse.
Speaker 6: I think what I'm trying to say is, if we
don't win Best Wrestling Podcasts in the Sports Podcast Award,
it's because they wouldn't let us in the debates.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the idea, because I know you'd win, they
know we'd win. We know we'd win. You know we'd win.
So let's just do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 6: Let's make each other proud as much as Maker co
chairman proud and vot the Lapsed Fan the Best Wrestling
Podcast of the Year and the Sports Podcast Group Sports
Podcast Awards for the Year twenty twenty four. I can't
think of a better year to do it. Agreed, Agreed,
fucking Let's go home. Let's show them the power of
what we're talking about, and let's knock on doors. Let's
use some shoe leather if you will. Let's campaign, because
remember this was an election year, and what a campaign
it was. The TLFX games that came down to crown
and Lapsed Vince the greatest character in Lapsed Fan history.
There's been a lot of a lot of campaign energy
around the podcast this year.
Speaker 2: Of all years, I would say, I would say that
it's very true done.
Speaker 6: A lot of narrowing down, a lot of crystallizing of
what it is we're about. A lot of message refinement
has gone on this year through things like the TLFX
testimonials that we've been proud to share, as listeners from
across the Solar System have put down in their own words,
why this means so much the live show we did
in Philadelphia this year which laid bare the in the
city of brotherly love and that founding American city, how
foundational our ethos is to why even bother doing a
wrestling podcast? So you know what to do? Do it
Sports Podcast Awards, So the twenty twenty five edition, because
you're going to be able to vote all the way
through into the new year and into and through January.
But make it happen. It's the way it simply has
to be. They've they've they've realized that we belong in
this category. Yep, and show them, show them. Not only
are they right that they have no clue what they've
what they have done by.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's just say they have no fucking idea.
Speaker 6: Smiling upon the Solar system, prepare for beams of effervescent light.
Speaker 2: In terms of me most importantly, the what they haven't
realized what they've done is that they have they have
opened the door, Yes to unrefined, pure, uncut, uncensored pain.
Speaker 6: Pain that acknowledgment that pain is the only point. Yes,
that until you get to the point of pain, you're
kidding yourself and everybody else is kidding themselves.
Speaker 2: Pain makes you no pleasure, right, pain is pleasure. You're
gonna say pain helps you process pleasure. No, you went
right to it.
Speaker 6: That wasn't even a three headed monster there. You know,
once you go yeah, you guys are the best podcast,
then it's like, it's it's really hard to take it back.
We've seen people do that over the years. You know,
they fall into our favor and then for whatever reason,
they just decide it's cooler to like not like us,
and it's hard for them because they know that at
one point in time they kissed the ring.
Speaker 2: Listen, you know what I think of it as this
is its adolescence, right. You know, you don't when you're
an adolescent, when you're in that in that age of
between ten and eighteen, you don't want to admit that
mommy and daddy are right, and you will.
Speaker 6: Go to absurd lengths to try to demonstrate that they're wrong,
absurd lengths, self destructive lengths even in some cases.
Speaker 2: But you always come home.
Speaker 6: The door is always willing to swing open when you
come around, and nothing needs to be said, yep, because
we love you unconditionally. Right, That's right, that's right, and
so return the Favor Sports Podcast Awards TLFX. Let's really
bring this motherfucker home, and let's bring home our tribute
to Sid.
Speaker 2: What do you say, I think it's I think it's
about ten.
Speaker 6: Times absolutely the Unapologetic Sin Tribute, as we heard last time,
basically heard nothing from him for several years in terms
of like high profile wrestling appearances, especially through two thousand
and one. Like he said, he changed his phone number.
He didn't want to talk to anybody in the business
because anytime you pick up the phone, all they'd want
to talk about is how it happened, whose fault it was,
and get the story over and over again. And for
someone who takes his physical well being as seriously as
Sid did his whole life, that's not the kind of
conversation he's interested in having. Eighteen thousand times, so he
falls off the map. People don't even necessarily know what's
up with him. He does make a brief appearance, as
we mentioned last week, for the World Wrestling All Stars group.
This is a group run by an Australian named Andrew mcmannus,
who sort of tried to pick up the pieces of
the WCW talent that weren't.
Speaker 2: I remember that happening when we were in college, right,
that's right. It would have been a two thousand and
two Okay. They brought in Randy Savage and I think
Jeff Jarrett as well, right just before like it was
going to become clear that TNA was going to be
the best shot at recreating WCW.
Speaker 6: They sort of were. They had a pay per view
that was available in the United States that they did.
Australia was a very strong live event market for WCW.
Even in the absolute dying death days of the promotion,
they were still able to draw pretty impressive houses over there,
and so it was thought that this would be you know,
the subject of, or rather the center of, something that
might be plausible, that might be workable from a business standpoint,
if the fans over there were willing to support something
other than WWF, which it appeared they were. Go back
to the tnh journey right before he goes into TNA,
he does the Hogan Tour Australia and works with the
Rick Flair, right, because that was just the wrap on
that market. As you could make money there still with
the cast of characters that WCW had at the very end,
and so at one point they go through some commissioners,
Brett Hart and then Sid. Sid was a commissioner for
the WWA, but he didn't do anything that resonated. He
didn't do anything that was considered like a highlight or
a promo. It's not the UWF match he had with
us Steve Williams. Yeah he did it, but it's not
like he said or did anything that was money about
it that would live on on YouTube necessarily or anything
like that. So I really don't consider it a return
though it was the first time he popped his head
up after snapping his leg at Sin about a full
year and a half after happened, but then he just
disappeared really all over again after that brief run as commissioner.
He did say that TNA reached out to him. Well,
actually he didn't say they reached out to him. He
said when Jeff Charett first started TNA, he said this
in a shoot interview with our video. They didn't have
like a great roster of people to put up that
they were, you know, presenting to potential sponsors. Potential broadcast partners,
whatever the case may be. They have a lot of
guys locked up, and he said that Jeff Jarrett called
him and asked him. The way Sid put it is,
he gave TNA a letter of recommendation. Only Sid would
call it a letter of recommendation, Oh my god, basically saying, yeah,
you can say I'm working for the company, you can
associate my name with this as you're trying to get
something going business wise. But at the time, he's on
a walker, and according to Sid, they're shopping his name
around as one of the wrestling luminaries that could be yours.
If you support this, I'm sure Jeff Jarrett would absolutely
disagree with that. SID has talked big shit about Jeff
Yard as well. But you know, they used Hogan's name
as if they were going to do a Hogan Jarrett
match in two thousand and three and it never happened.
So I think it's completely against type for them as
they struggle to get traction with pay per view providers
and things, to just throw any name against the wall,
even if it was a soft commitment from someone who
couldn't even walk.
Speaker 2: It's just a fucking I don't know it just that
whole thing. I don't know, it's it's it's funny. I
guess what I I guess. What's funny to me is
how even how how desperate wrestling promoters are when it
comes to name talent. Yeah, who may or may not
have ever drawn actual money, you know, but they have
a name, and so even if they're well over the
hill in terms of what they can actually offer, it's
it's so it's fascinating to me how how organizations are
so desperate bring in and and in a way they don't.
I mean maybe it's different now, I suppose with the
aw and whatnot, but they don't necessarily build new talent up.
It's always let's rely on the old fucking guys. Who
can you know, who have been quote unquote successful. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think when you're triple funding together, it helps to
put people in front of financiers.
Speaker 2: Who have Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that heard of it. Yeah,
you know what, I'll admit, I don't think of it
in terms of like in terms of like, you know,
trying to get people to I think of it as, oh,
I've already got money. But when you're trying to get money,
you need that kind of shit, and that's very true.
Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting is, you know, Tony Kanad money and
he still goes for every WW guy I can get
his hands on and woman. You know, so it's sort
of like it's.
Speaker 2: Like a yeah, but how many of them were actual draws?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: I know? Yeah, fucking gets.
Speaker 6: It's like a disease with no qre kind of thing
because if anyone would have done, it would have been him.
And now he's replete with guys that you still think
primarily WW when you look at them, despite his attempts
to kind of them. But yeah, so yeah, point taken.
But if you try to get something off the ground
and approach with a list of guys that are going
to be huge stars in ten years but nobody's heard of, ah,
I'll take a pass of that. That doesn't seem like
the best place to invest my money. Jeff, thank you, though,
who's aj styles?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: So you did so?
Speaker 6: I guess that was part of that's the extent of
Sid's TNA involvement. I mean, he had said that all
the things I did to help those guys, they called
and asked me to come in and do some things.
But I wasn't honest with them, he said. One time
in a shoot interview, he said he told him I
don't want to work for those guys unless I know
I'm not going to work for Vince because I wouldn't
do something small. This poor guy on a walker still
thinks that Vince gives a shit about him. He still
thinks that in the end, Vince is going to be
the one that needs him more than he needs Vince.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm want to tell you something. So so Vincent
May has said one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna
is the cathedral? Correct? And I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't send him an autographed contract, though, did you?
Because because one wasn't one was never offered.
Speaker 2: I said he was going to put my picture on
a contract, and then why I didn't have to sign it?
Bucker still get paid. Have you seen this man kind
of picture? Have you seen? Let me have you have
we can we put this up on the Listen. I
want to put this picture, this signed autographed picture of
Sid down at the front desk of Titan Towers. Do
not allow this man in all right, do not allow
Sid in the building. If you see him, shoot him.
Speaker 6: It's like when it came over the loudspeaker when he
fired Warrior. Remember Tom Fleming, the w.
Speaker 2: W F artist. Oh my god, Yeah, the interview with
us about it.
Speaker 6: It's like all of a sudden, he's working on stuff
for a Warrior and then Vince's they no voice comes
over the headquarter wide intercom. Weird, no anger doing business
with Ultimate Warrior. Please see sect anything in motion regarding.
Speaker 2: U UH employees of Titan Sports Incorporated, Corporate, I would
like corporate. There's an echo employees of Titan Sports Incorporated.
This is Vincent Kennedy McMahon, the owner, CEO, head han
show of sorts of the of the organization. I I'm
I'm I'm for those of her here who don't know
who Vince is. I've been the I've been involved in
this business since the nineteen seventy. We are a multi
uh functional conglomerate of media enterprise, and I just wanted
to let every or know that we are currently no
longer using the services and talents of the Ultimate Warrior.
Thank you have a good holiday. Of course, of course
it's the last message before a holiday break. Actually it
would have been right because we've been around Thanksgiving. It's true.
It's true. Didn't even think of that. That was just
a whim but we.
Speaker 6: Are in the holiday season. I do kind of adore
the idea of like full time WWF staff who like
don't care about wrestling, but they have skills WWF us
and they live practice approximate to Standford, Connecticut working there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like, you know, it's funny. It
reminds me of of all the people who you know,
when I was at when I when I was in
LA and I worked at Sony or not at Sony,
but when I was working on the Sony lot, talking like,
there are all these people who are just working regular jobs,
but they just happen to be at a movie studio, right,
you know, you need to have that those those jobs
like accountants and and whatever who really have no impact
on the actual and have no interest maybe to do
but you know, not necessarily any interest in the actual
runnings of the studio. But they just happened their job
just happens to be at the studio.
Speaker 6: I mean, those people have always been the subject of
endless fascination to me, and just the idea that they
got benefits, they got Christmas vacations, you know, right, And
the wrestlers who make the whole thing go round couldn't
even dream of having the same track link from an
employment perspective as these people who hated wrestling or not hated,
who are indifferent to the actual product that you know,
that that made the machine run.
Speaker 2: Just fascinating. That to me, that is the bigger thing
because in my mind because if you if you hate wrestling,
I can see you kind of working at a wrestling company.
If you love wrestling, I can see you working at
a wrestling company. If you're indifferent, those are the people
that I'm that are truly fascinating, because how the fuck
did you get this job?
Speaker 6: They answer a one ad for graphic designer and it
happens to be you know, near fucking Long Island or
wherever they grew up.
Speaker 2: You know, they need a janitor, they need whatever, you know,
all those all those businesses need those things every day
everyday jobs. Let's not kid ourselves a baby job. We're
talking about every day job.
Speaker 6: I don't that's a one ad. He's not answering, right,
but my jobing brother, it's not kid ourselves. Job board,
what do you mean? What what do you set that
up at the tapings?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 2: Like, what do you what do you mean like someone's
gonna like like a wooden board people laid out on
or two? That are we talking about? It's a job board?
Speaker 6: What is that where you put the names up of
people doing a job? Is ul Hogan's name on there?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think who's put who's putting the names
up on the job.
Speaker 6: Here's my thing, brother, I understand you're saying I'm none
on the job board, But the way my mind works
is why didn't I know of the existence of such
a thing as a job board in the first place.
If it wasn't a way to do an end run
around Ulshogan right ill would know what that I would
know what it was.
Speaker 2: The thing is, too, I want to know exactly why
people are doing this behind my back exactly.
Speaker 6: That's I don't really care what the job board is.
I care why I'm not told about it exactly, you know.
So I want to know why I'm not told about
these things. I want to why people are trying to
beat Hulk Hogan because he okay, he goes like, I
don't care if I'm jobbing or not. I just care
about the secret to the secretiveness of it. And then
he comes right back around and says, I want to
know if people want to beat Hulkogan. It's like, no,
you just said, you just said, you acknowledge that that
doesn't matter and that's not a reality, and he still
brings it up. So let's not kid ourselves. Another part
of the reason we didn't hear much from Sid for
a couple of years after dying, said be closed. The
check was still coming in the mail, you know what
I mean, still getting paid. As we discussed in the
episodes about you know, the lawsuits you filed around the injury,
he had quite a bit of time, including that worker's
compensation payment for the injury and you know pay per
view money that checks that he cashed for pay per
views that he was owed but never happened, and he
didn't have to work, but his contract called for a
minimum Uh. So you know, that's also part of the
reason that a lot of these guys uh disappeared for
a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Nash you know famously said like, you know, if you're
getting paid what you're getting paid right now to sit
at home and watching Netflix, would you take it?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, what do you want? Like, you know, you
just gotta fucking you know I'm getting. I'm getting. I'm
I'm getting paid to sit at home. Fucking I work
on a dollar to bump ratio and if I can
get paid a lot of dollars for zero buck, fucking
you know, hit some sativa and drink some fucking veno.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, he says, watch Netflix, by the way,
you know what kind of films is?
Speaker 2: You know, I fucking watched those those fucking indie college channels. Yeah,
watching some fucking you know, up and coming you know,
film tours.
Speaker 6: Fuck, so oh three passes, you know, four. He suddenly
pomps up again in Montreal, of all places, where there's
some shows going on in a promotional banner called the IWS.
And involved in the IWS is Pierre Carl Willette from
lochae Becker's PCO, as he's known now. And come to
find out, PCO was one of Sid's absolute best friends
in the business.
Speaker 2: Good out of here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't think people necessarily knew this until
this run started to happen. And you know, the shoot
interview business was much more replete. There was channels everywhere,
and people would interview PCO, especially Devin Nicholson up who
runs as Hannibal runs Great White North Wrestling, and by
virtue of running that promotion, was able to bring in
a lot of guys with you know, old stardom from
WWF past and get a whole new round of shoot
interviews done as part of the deal. A lot of
the stuff we've talked about and excerpted over the course
of the tribute to SID has come from SID getting
booked by Great White North and agreeing to do shoot
interviews as part.
Speaker 2: Of the deal.
Speaker 6: PCO has also done shoot interviews with Hannibal and has
been asked about SID in particular. PCO, of course, is
a name that carries some weight in the Montreal wrestling scene,
and he talked to Hannibal about his history with SID.
It all became pretty clear here as SID suddenly starts
re emerging. For example, on June twelf, two thousand and four,
SID had teamed with PCO to defeat the team of
Big Larry and Dolla Bill a main event anywhere in
the country, No, sorry, what a main event anywhere in
the country, and by the country, I mean Montserrat but
a PCO told Hannibal, I consider Sid to be my
best friend ever in the business. We had so much
fun together. I could ask him probably anything. He was
close to my family, to pco's parents. As a matter,
you can always ask him anything. The problem is is
he's going to tell you the truth about it. Yeah,
be careful what you asked Sid would be my suggestion. Yeah,
he was almost part of a pco's family, as he
tells it. And when he went to work for the
Power Pro Wrestling Company, which was the Memphis Developmental territory
that we talked about, were Sid was in that PBO
stable in between runs. PCO actually stayed at Sid's house
when he was working down in that territory. So shit
and getting the Booker t and Stevie Ray treatment there
at Chateau Ud.
Speaker 2: Okay, we all want to go because.
Speaker 6: At first PCO says he rented a condo down there,
and eventually he Sid just said, you know what, coming
to my house, lived with the family, and he was
there and remembers his wife being generous. And he also remembers, interestingly,
which I can't imagine Sid having a maid, which is
just too much to think.
Speaker 2: Wow, helping out with the kids and everything. He didn't
have fucking just Frank doing all that shit.
Speaker 6: I think it made was helping take care of Frank
was twenty years old, and what would they do. They
would go to the gyms every morning. You know, Sid
needs a workout partner, especially getting back on his feet,
such as he was working out doing the twice a days.
Right back at it is Sid. And here's a little
bit of a direct color from the aforementioned Hannibal shoot
interview PCO reflecting on his friend Sid.
Speaker 9: I really never changed much. You know, he kept that
same house. It was not a big big spender. Like
you know, he works on his h He has a
special car that it it's not like the car. It's like, yeah,
sort of a jeep. Note puts that real strong.
Speaker 2: Engine and it tires.
Speaker 9: But his best friend is mechanical, so it doesn't cost
him that much the parts. You know, it's like their
babies together, those guys. You know, they just work on
the jeep all the time, and it can make the
mud goes up.
Speaker 2: Fifty feet in the air.
Speaker 9: You know, it's really really strong.
Speaker 2: It's a nice jeep. It's it's very very odd. But
other than that.
Speaker 9: It's it's not a big spender.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sid just working on the jeep. And listen, I
know for damn we know for sure that Sid is
not a big spender.
Speaker 6: I can picture working on the jeep. I can picture
him working on the jeep, like but still wearing like
a chaps button up with the top button buttoned, with
short sleeves. He's somehow in like a checkered like dress shirt.
Speaker 2: While he does. Yeah, oh for sure, listen, he's he
he is always wearing some kind of like, you know,
some kind of button down dress shirt, like it's either
plaid or it's you know, you know, and it's and
he's tucked into jeans. And he's always wearing a hat,
a baseball hat, like all right, doesn't matter where what
he's doing, like if he's not in the ring, that's
what he's wearing.
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Speaker 6: But again, that's that's what everyone says is he lived
incredibly modestly, essentially stuck to the same neighborhood that is
his his ancestors were from, and that he returned to, uh,
you know, an agro lifestyle, a farming lifestyle, and never,
despite the money made in the business, ye never bought
a big ostentatious house or a big ostentatious car, or
really did anything that indicated that he was interested in
the trappings of you know, making millions in the wrestling business.
And what does that do? That gives you freedom, That
gives you freedom to just fucking disappear.
Speaker 2: Well it also, I mean there's that, and it also
gives you the freedom to walk away.
Speaker 6: That's right, It's what I'm by disap here, right, you
could just fuck it, I'm done for now.
Speaker 2: You don't you know that? That's always the you know,
we hear about that all the time about wrestlers who
just can't fucking walk away. It's because they don't have
any money. But if you do it, if you play
it smart and you and you live modestly, or if
you live like see him punk, you know, then you
can then you can not work. You know, you've saved
up enough money and then your money's making money. Yep.
Speaker 6: And you didn't allow the wrestling business to create your
idea of yourself and thus put you in huge debt
with a huge house, right, and all these other toys
and assets, because you let the wrestling business tell you like, Okay,
because I'm making this money now, I'm going to define
who I am by the things I buy. Whereas a
guy like Sid knows who he is already, yes, and
he's just he's always ready to go back there if
need be, and the money is just helping him do
it in kind of a more deliberated fashion. There's definitely
wisdom there. As much of a pain in the ass
as he was, and as much as a lot of
this wasn't by design, and just because he was you know,
too cute by a mile and dealing with promoters and
thinking he was getting one over on them, and they
were just kind of laughing at him and waiting for
the chance to cut bait and rewarding him with you know,
two month title reigns, right, because that was his reputation.
He did have that ace in the hole where it
was like, I did not build up my sense of
myself with the money I made in the wrestling business,
and so I'm not in a position to have to
support that lifestyle and therefore be completely vulnerable to promoters.
So that I can continue furthering that lifestyle. I can
afford just not work for years and still be okay,
and you know, have a ton of fun in court, right,
suing motherfuckers and trying sure, you know, having enough money
to have the lawyers, that's one thing. It's like you
live that way. It's like, where's all the proof of it?
He lives so humbly. He's like, no, you know where
it goes. It goes with the lawyers that are going
to grab two or three more paydays. Then the next
guy can afford to fight for exactly because he'll just
sue you. And he loves to sue people. So he's
a tigious guy. He loves to blow cush too, you know,
and that's not cheap. Yes, this guy goes high as
a motherfucker his whole life. Right, We're talking about night
stick sized Marley spliffs. We're talking about this guy's blowing
fucking blunts, the size of the inflatable baseball bats you
see at kid's birthday parties.
Speaker 2: Okay, can you imagine? Can you imagine too? Like you know, Frank,
Frank snuck out at night. He's coming home, really really late,
absolutely red eyed, yep. And then but then, but then
you get Sid at home waiting. He knows, he knows
that that Frank's gonna fucking stroll in like a motherfucker,
and he and Sid has been smoking like nobody's business.
But he's still dressed, yes, in a plaid shirt, button down,
tucked in with a hat. He's in the house. Okay,
he's in the house. Frank, Frank, I see you. I
saw you five miles away, and you're smoking my joint
and I could see far beyond the limitations of society,
right exactly. It opens up new worlds to him, and
I will see him beyond the limitations of human ability
to see. It's real simple, And I'm gonna tell you something,
Frankie's real simple. You sneak out of the house again.
You sneak out with my car. You come back here,
I'll kill you.
Speaker 6: The Sidney ad libs never disappoints, does it. I thought
you were gonna say to see, Frank, it's real simple.
You said my church at Cana and Assassin.
Speaker 2: You delivered. I'm gonna tell you something else. You finally
deliver those fucking being us. I almost send you sound picture,
huge kudos.
Speaker 6: One of the most delightful parts of the SID tribute
has been members of the Solar System, mostly commenting on Patreon,
who have caught on to ways to spell the way
SID says words, How do you spell the way?
Speaker 2: SID says picture? It's p I T C H E R.
Thank you very much, I Richard.
Speaker 10: Oh, he sent my church a casey Vianna sausages, and
I send him an autograph picture.
Speaker 2: Hey, the autograph picture the way, he says. Sean Michaels
his money. I love seeing Solar System members try to
spell ball water.
Speaker 6: Yes, just amazing. Oh so thank you SID. O five
becomes six, becomes O seven, and he pops up again
working at the new l Ham Arena NFL, of course,
the former you c W Arena for the p W
you promotion, where he wrestles his old buddy and his
old night and shining armor if you will. Two cold Scorpio,
He who hit the bloodied hallways of the England Hotel
room after the scissor brawl with arn Anderson. I hesitate
to call it a scissor fight, of course, and exactly.
Speaker 2: What's going on, dude, will know Lesbian's brother.
Speaker 6: Did He say, say what did you got lesbians? He said, God, yeah,
we got him here, Terry, they're right here.
Speaker 2: Say hi, what he didn't know they were here? He
thought they were route. You tell me they're already here. Well,
I thought, that's not I don't that's not what we
agreed to at all. They're here, brother, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We have the holllest thing in dude, man, Where where
where is specified happening?
Speaker 6: Due if only had the wherewithal to get to the
E C W Arena in the summer heat in two
thousand and seven to see two gold Scorpio versus sid.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I'll tell you that that's a's a
main event anywhere in that part of Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: And yeah, South Philly, anywhere in that fucking industrial park
that that industrial area they sit in next to like
a gear manufacturer and a cheese steak place with a
two mile long line. Oh, I know, the plaza across
from the fucking uh you know, Marshalls.
Speaker 2: That's just fucking perfect, wasn't it absolutely per fect?
Speaker 6: Sitting in that cab trying or the uber trying not
to touch the cheese steak till we got to the hotel.
Speaker 2: Ah that was I mean, just fucking kill me. The
smell of an onion rings the whole ride. Ah. Like,
I'll tell you the thing is that makes it. You know,
that makes it a very simple, plain act that you're
not going to do well eating that food, right because
now you've made you've tortured yourself to smell it for longer,
So all you want to do is put it in
your mouth as fast as possible.
Speaker 6: I think there's a pretty good chance that Sid, wearing
jeans under knee pads and boots, ate one of those
on a round wooden table behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: Yes he did, Yes he did brought it also, sure
you know what, I'm damn sure that he ate one
right at a stand and said, fuck it, they're not
going to start without me, right, exactly how you would
you like to eat here?
Speaker 6: A regular? A regular Rosa Parks? He was lunch counter
activist Sid. So then he goes up to uh Ottawa
that summer and works for the super FX promotion where
he wrestles Johnny Devine, and then he goes to wrestle
for any W in Danbury, Connecticut against Jerry law we
missed the chances. He sid and Lawler in O seven
What a bummer. Then he goes to what btw and
RIVERA O my God to wrestle too cold again remember
tenth of two thousand and seven, then kick it over
to two thousand and eight. He works in nWo Pro
TV taping in Lincoln, Rhode Island at the Twin Rivers
where he defeats Joe Delicious. I'm not sure that ever
made a television. He works another nWo Pro NWA Pro
TV taping in Atlanta on June seventh of two thousand
and eight, where he defeats wrestlers by the name of
Davy Boy Blain and Justin Carino.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's.
Speaker 6: Still only taking matches where he can destroy people. Two
on ONEWNWA Pro.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I keep seeing nWo in New Jersey he wrestles Joe Delicious,
so this must be his buddy, This Joe Delicious guy.
He worked the Knights of Columbus June thirteenth, two thousand
and eight and Richfield Park, New Jersey, where he on
Dave Greco, Justin Creno, and Kyle Thurdon in a three
on one handicap. You can guess who won that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna imagine Yeah that Listen sitting't losing any
handicaps beat.
Speaker 6: Cut well, well, he beat Kyle Gordon. In June, he
did a wrestling super show in Pemberke, Ontario against the
aforementioned Hannibal Devil Nicholson, where they wrestled each other to
a disqualification. That was on June twenty, two thousand and eight.
And then he worked a wrestling super show card as
it was called in Hawkesbury and Antario against a wrestler
named a Tiger Raj Singh, where he defeated him on
June twenty first, two thousand and eight. And then it
was time for the Phone a ring from an old pal,
the guy who found him first on the softball field,
the guy who gave him his first match under the
Lord Humongous Gimmick against the Lights Nick Bucklinkle. Jerry the
King Lawler is still working the Tennessee State Fairgrounds. Boss
It's time for a card that was entitled celebrating thirty
five years of Wrestling with Jerry the King Lawler, A
tribute to the King and his He blessed Sid Vicious
to be his opponent for this occasion. It was a
very over seven in two thousand and eight matches on
YouTube and Sid is in jeans, and Sid is back
in the Memphis territory, if you will, and trying to
suck off the fumes of what's left in that one
part of the country where there's still just a little
bit of a spark around the idea of our local wrestling.
And he wrestled Lawler such as he was, you know,
with his titties and everything in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Of course, listen, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 6: And he's in jeans and Jimmy Hart is in Sid's
corner to get the heat.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess what the fuck is Jesus, it's
like with Jimmy Hart going to add that little extra
for draw edge.
Speaker 6: You think we've seen you think we've seen Sid standing
around before?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 6: D you see this one? A lot of standing around.
He body slams Jerry Lawler about six times after several
lock ups to start the match, and then he punches
him and stands around. Lawler eventually does his comeback, throws
a low blow at a drop kick. Jimmy Hart gets
up on the ape and tries to hold Jerry Lawler
open for a shot. Of course, Lawler moves out of
the way and Sid pops Jimmy Hart and Lawler rolls
up Sid for the one, two three, and Sid sells
this roll up finish as if he'd just been shot
in the head.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 6: My favorite thing about Sid bar none is that he
sells everything as if he should be supine ready to
be put into the grave. Yep, right, every move it's
either no selling and he's getting back to his feet
to get to his chokes, like the power Bomb, where
he is fucking a corpse on the ground motionless for
minutes on end, laying there even to the detriment of
the flow of the match, like why since not getting
up at all?
Speaker 2: Fucking uh, mister Purfs should taking some notes from Sid.
Oh shit, it's selling that fucking stone Cold Center in
two thousand and two.
Speaker 6: No, I mean he sells the roll up like Owen
should have sold the Summer Slam ninety seven roll up.
He just lays there like the roll up is a
knockout blow.
Speaker 2: I probably couldn't get up. It's probably stuff so uh,
I can't get the rest Kevin Lawler, get over free Lawler.
I know you're all her son King right, just looking
me in the eye. You something real simple. I can't
get up. That is real simple, said you might.
Speaker 6: You realize when you're giving an urgent message, you know,
ear to ear and the people can't hear you, you
don't have to do the it's real simple preface. You
don't have to say that.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. This is how I talk.
These are the things that I say, right all right,
and I'm gonna make it real simple for.
Speaker 6: You, he said, says it again, and he says, by
the way.
Speaker 2: There, I don't want to make things complicated, right, God forbid.
I don't know if you don't want to make them
complicated for my sake or for your sake, But that's fine,
And he says, this is what I'm gonna say. He
said that it's pronounced what's pronounced sake, the wine, the
Japanese sake. For God's sake, Will you get over here, gunner.
They taught me that in Japan. Wait to hear what
else they taught him in Japan. I can't wait to
get to that. But look, I mean, as this thing
kind of starts to very very vaguely resemble the lapsed
Funk Terry Funk journey. Who is the opponent? Right that
like threads together the generations. You know, who's the guy? Yes,
Jerry Lawler. Yep, it's totally true.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: As great as he was in his own right, Lawler
was like foil to so many wrestlers who straddle the generations,
you know, and you could go back to it because
Lawler did not work a style that you couldn't do
even when you were really old and beyond your years.
And it was the promos were so strong that you
could just pick up or you left off from a
promo perspective. We heard you remember the one we called
him a baby banger, Terry Funk.
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 6: He came back here that outdoor promo where he was
like on his farm and he's a baby banger to
get people in the building in like two thousand and
four to see him wrestle Jerry Lawler one more time.
And they went all around the horn. MLW A bunch
of indies in the Northeast. They're just tremendous and so
sid The beneficiary of that is well here all the
way in the year two thousand and eight, after which
he could do very little beyond just like we mentioned,
stand around. He was asked in the End Your Head
podcast about working with Jerry Lawler one time was Sid
and he said, it's like working with a skeleton out
of the closet. Slow, he's already dead. It doesn't matter,
and then they laugh.
Speaker 2: Wow. So I'm going to tell you something, guys. Good.
Speaker 6: That's where I've said this before, is that we have
to do as workers in this business. We have to
learn how to be comfortable in an uncomfortable situation. One
of them sometimes is what a lot of times means
is I can make someone feel uncomfortable by not moving.
This is what Sid is offering. I can make someone
uncomfortable by not moving, he says.
Speaker 2: I'm want to say you something. I want to say
something right now. I will make you feel uncomfortable. I
can promise I'll make you feel by not moving. I
will stand perfectly still and you will find no comfort.
Speaker 11: You know what.
Speaker 6: I don't really disagree with him Sid standing there not
moving it kind of works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Jesus.
Speaker 6: And he's basically, yeah, you know why you're not moving
Sid because your leg doesn't work anymore. Right, but it's
now a psychology right, So again a luxury that Jerry
Lawler afforded so many veterans that they could find in
just one more payday that had a spark of the
old time, even when they could barely move, like Terry
Funk could barely move, because Lawler had set expectations such
that people didn't feel ripped off even if the match
was that low action and that's gone, that's gone. Yeah, yeah,
the crop today. If they can't do what they do now,
there no one's gonna sit around and by no one,
there's not gonna be people who like accept them doing
a style that you know, they don't have knees anymore,
they don't have any spring in their step anymore. Their
careers are over. They're cooked if they can't do dives
and all that stuff. And that's their choice, and it
works for them in the in the moment, but you've
got to think careers, boss are going to be a
lot shorter, right, earning year is going to be a
lot shorter. You're not going to be like Sid and
still find ways to get booked. In two thousand and eight,
after what happened to your leg? I don't think, so
what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think? I think it's Sid. I think Sid finds
a way much like life and Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park,
Sid finds a way.
Speaker 6: Sid does find a way to get booked until we
give you that. So I'm going to play for you
a little bit of that sound from the aforemntioned interview
that he did with the In Your Head podcast said
talking about being uncomfortable and uncomfortable situations and not moving.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was. You know, that's a nice job. People
crazy because you're gonna realize that, what with all of
a thousand million times a thousand million industry get in
the ring sometimes, so that's sometime uncomfortable doing and that
puts a lot of people in an uncomfortable situation. But no,
I like it like that, and now I think it's
TV and it's going to be something we need to
have down to ever do a little segment and everything.
I think, then you you talk it out, you know,
but it's a lot of fun to be able to
do that on the comfort of people.
Speaker 2: And you know, Bamba, he's talking now about Bam Bam Bigelow.
Let me go ahead just a little bit.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna tell you some guys what we have to
as workers in this business. We have to learn how
to be comfortable and an uncomfortable situation. And one of
them sometimes is, uh, what longest time means? I can
make someone feel uncomfortable? But by not moving, I feel
real comfortable.
Speaker 2: By not moving, I'm not gonna want me too.
Speaker 11: You know, whatever match before me or whatever dictator fast,
I'm I'm moving in the ring, and uh, I think
Kings gives me what you don't see with many people today.
I've got a calm about me that you just don't see.
And what I got that from was from him. Honestly,
I got my you know, a lot of the on
tough interview stuff, the ability to do that you know,
you got to realize in these interviews in the day,
we had to do these things on a fly miss
Live TV. So that's something he taught me how to
do too, and that he's one best at it. So
I learned a lot from the guy, and that right here,
that one thing in my repertoire means a lot to me,
just to be able to make someone feel uncomfortable. Or
I can feel comfortable in an uncomfortable situation means.
Speaker 6: A lot to him to be able to do that.
Do you think he could make you feel comfortable in
an uncomfortable situation or vice versa.
Speaker 2: I think he'd I think he'd maybe feel uncomfortable most
of the time.
Speaker 6: So calendar turns to two thousand and nine. He hits
up to Montreal and works in more shows against the
likes of Frankie the Mobster and Handsome JF and Jeff Johnson.
He works a wrestling super show in thunder Bay, Ontario
on two and eighteenth, So it's a lot of work
in Canada. And in these later years he wrestles Jim
Duggan in two thousand and nine, I invite you to
consider God. And then he goes to work for the Juggalos.
He goes to work for the Insane Clown Posse. They really, yes,
they have their wacky shows in the middle of the
forest or whatever the fuck they would do. This one
is in cave in Rock, Illinois and he was part
of a multiman match. Corporal Robinson who was a regular
for the JCW guys, Scott Hall who would come out
in ICP hockey Jersey and just stand around shaggy tued open,
violent Jay of course, the two sides of the insane
clown posse and yes, Sid Vicious who comes out to
a combination of the end WO theme music and the
why because they had.
Speaker 2: A j W O stable in Oh My God j
c W and in the Psycho Sid music and he
was a surprise.
Speaker 6: They would that's what they would do with j CW.
As they would hire eighties guys and they would come
in and do two moves, not unlike how Paul Haym
and you Sid, you know what I mean. It wasn't
like anything long term. It wasn't a contract if they
worked more than once. It was just by happenstance. And
again crossover with Terry Funk who told all kinds of
stories about how much he loved the clowns because they
paid him incredibly well well after his expiration date and
left money at his house and everything to make it
good to him. And here's here's Sid getting a bit
of that taste in this ten person tag against a
series of guys who worked as heels and in that organization,
Sid and Hall were buddies. You know, we've heard Nash
talk about it. They they were very close even after
w W folded, and Sid has talked a little bit
about kind of reaching out to Scott as he went
through his struggles and offering to stay, let him.
Speaker 2: Stay, and all that.
Speaker 6: All the above, and no doubt Haul helping the psycho.
One get a taste of that in seeing clown posse
money and wear a baggy hockey jersey in his own right.
So he got the tag. In the match, he stood
there static for several minutes. He slapped a guy and
choke slammed one after the other, choke slamming everybody. It's
very clear what you're signing up for when you bring
Sid in, especially at this point in his life and career,
and that he power bombed a guy and that's that.
One's for the Juggalos. Then to October of two thousand
and nine, back in Illinois, he works a six man
tag with Scott Hall and someone runed the Lord Humongous
Gimmick against Tojo Yamamoto Junior, a wrestler named Panic, and
a wrestler named Ryz Morino, and that was that was
it for that run there in Illinois. He then makes
a run to France, Okay, there's a company called a
w R that ran a tour of France in November
of two thousand and nine and Sid ends up on
the tour and he wrestles XPOX several times and beats
him and beats a guy named the Suicide Machine. Unbelievable
Sid in France, and that's gonna go, well.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's wild.
Speaker 6: And in two thousand and nine, I mean, come on, like,
how how is it worth it bringing that guy in?
Speaker 2: I really? I mean obviously they're this the you're not
doing well that promotion. Also one guy, do what you can, but.
Speaker 6: One guy who was excited to see him there, because
this was one of those promotions that pulled together, you know,
just about anybody who was on the circuit that had
just left WWE and had a bit of that name recognition.
Rob van Dam was was on this tour and Rob
Dandam was someone, as we talked about when we mentioned
sid zcw Run, that was you know, very gregarious towards Sid,
welcoming somebody that uh Rob is always good about building
bridges with the prior generation. Hogan liked him in TNA
and stuff like that, and he was very complimentary and
deferential towards Hulking and Sid was much the same way.
But RVD saw the potential, despite Sid's incredible limitations at
this point in time, to actually have a decent match
with Sid. He saw a great challenge and working around
Sid's limitations and all the things RVD can do flying
around the ring to create something. But you know, you
don't know if you're gonna get the chance with Sid
until he gets off the plane and you study his countenance,
let alone boss if he suffers another his incontinental title
until But you also don't know what you're getting with
Sid and what you convince him to do until you
talk to him after tearing his bicep on the tour.
Oh no, And if you think Sid's cranky in general,
what about a torn bicep? Sid in France in two
thousand and nine. Here's RVD on Renee Duprie's podcast talking
about the memory. Renede de Prix was also on the tour,
so you'll see him pipe in with some detail as
RVD gets into the story. But this is this is
the state of Sid after he had faded from the spotlight,
and we'd only hear little drips and drabs about what
he was doing on the indies far and wide.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm trying to figure who else was there.
And I remember Sid when Sid came and then and left.
Speaker 2: Remember talk about that for a second though.
Speaker 4: So Sid hadn't been wrestling and in years and years
and years, and he wanted to go back to w WE.
So I'm pretty sure he thought they're just doing this
easy overseas tour would get his name in the sheet.
You know, there's a lot of long uh, Prima Donna
has to learn. You know, you don't always get to
go to the gym or get a full night sleep.
Speaker 7: You might be.
Speaker 2: Getting in late checking it. So he was pissed about
all of that.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, remember one time he got flown ahead
of us and met us at the hotel.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like his first night in I think it was,
he wrestled Xpot and he hit him with a clothesline.
Speaker 2: That towards bicep. Yeah, yeah, his arm was all purple.
Speaker 4: And and so for the next couple of days he
was complaining about the tour, but also you know, kind
of using his arm as a reason, you know, to
be able to and and I saw that happening, and
I was supposed to wrestle him like in a few days,
and I really wanted to. I want to have a
singles match with him, you know, I thought, uh, and
and I could tell it. You know, he was was
doing like checking out, So I was like trying to
motivate him on the on the house and I, dude,
know when we when we wrestle on Friday or whatever
it is, you know, we're gonna setch a good match.
It was like he goes, now, I don't and I'm gonna, dude,
forget about your arm. Man, I got you. And then
the day came for you know, and I was still
trying to tell him, Bro, I'm gonna work all around
you and make you look like so good. It's gonna
be the best match I ever had. Let's you know,
let's do this. When we got to the arena on
the day that we're supposed to wrestle each other, he
went and talked to the office switched everything around. So
he wrestled XPOC again. And my first match, Yeah, they
went out there and x Pock didn't even know he
was going to do this.
Speaker 2: They right off the bat.
Speaker 4: He just kicked in the stomach and mob power bomb
and then he went home.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was bombed because I wanted to work with him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Rob Jesus, you know, this is what the
sound that that Sid makes when whenever he has any
kind of injury, totally just looking at the injury, screaming
at the injury, exactly, screaming like nobody wants to help
him in that kind of situation, Like nobody wants to
come near to somebody who's screaming that wildly, you know,
like a wounded animal. I mean it's like, yeah, exactly, well,
it's like, you know, it's a Yeah, it's a wounded animal.
It's it's a it's a it's a rabbit animal. You know,
it's like a funk.
Speaker 6: I don't want to It's an animal that does know
the difference between someone trying to approach to help and
someone trying to approach to make you hurt.
Speaker 2: Worse right, and you know what, he doesn't care. That's correct,
That's it.
Speaker 6: It's so funny that Arbady thinks like Sid can be
lobbied to actually try. In two thousand and nine, he
is gone, my friend, he is gone.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen the moment the moment you give him a check, right,
all right? He is done? That is it? And Sid
is done.
Speaker 6: And it's amazing. He's not just crushing the Jabronis who've
been mentioning. I mean XPOC, you know, someone that he
worked with in WWF and presumably he had a lot
of respect for it, just as much tenure in this
business and respecting this business as he did. Nope, he's
going down to in seconds and he's getting on a plane.
I just love it so much that he did that.
He goes back to the aforementioned RpW promotion in Illinois
in the fall of twenty ten and works another six
man tag team Matchup twenty eleven, he goes over to
Powerhouse Wrestling and Outfit in Auburn, Massachusetts actually and does
a couple of shots. He does one of the Elks
Lodge and Queens for p WS and April twenty seven eleven,
where he defeated Eddie Kingston. The future a W Starr
was able to share the ring with Sid at one
point in time.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you go into a lodge, that's
that's where the money's at. I agree, you know, I,
I you know, I always whenever you say a lodge
or something like that. I always think at the time
I went to the Lions Club to see a Wrestling
OH match and it was like a cancel because of snow.
But there were like three rows of chairs, you know,
around the ring. Three rows. That's it. I would have
loved to have experienced that.
Speaker 6: That's where people who really love the business go out
and give it. They're all yeah, and Sid certainly fit
that description. But you know, it's time for the law
to catch up with Sid because we've been talking about
how hard he blows cushy, how high he stays and
you better recall. And by now folks have been hearing
the many episodes and installments of the Unwrappening the twenty
twenty four TLF Christmas Show, we'll have already gotten into
the episode if they've been keeping up where We opened
the gift from our pal John in the UK who
got us a twenty twenty five TLF wall calendar. Oh
my god, desk calendar, and every month is a different
mug shot of a wrestling luminary who's been arrested. And
we were quite surprised, as steeped as we were at
the time, Boss and Sid History to find a sid
mugshot among the twelve. When did Sid get arrested?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 6: It happened in January of twenty and eleven. Wow Associated
Press Dateline. Memphis wrestler Psycho Sid Udy is free on
bail after being arrested in Memphis on a marijuana possession charge.
Police say they pulled the fifty year old ut over
Friday for not wearing a seat belt. Excuse me, sir,
license and registration?
Speaker 2: Please? Why you ask it for stuff? All right?
Speaker 6: Call for backup. I mean, of all the things to
come back at an officer with, why are you asking
for stuff? I mean, this guy's clearly already fucked.
Speaker 12: Up, sir.
Speaker 6: We need to see some some form of identification to
get a sense of whether you're a danger on the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I want you to the cop says. Okay.
By the way, now I want you to look me
in the eye because I want to tell you something
is real simple. What you're doing right now it's bogus,
the most bogus that you've ever pulled off. Now, I
want to know, sir, how do you know me?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 2: Have we run into each other before? I want to
know something.
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Because go ahead, sir, you pull me over. Because I'm
not a big movie star like Hulk Hogan, the Great
Immortal One himself. This is because I'm a newcomer. I
want to tell you something right now. You couldn't arrest
me on your best day. Oh really, as he fondles
the handcuffs on his waist, And I couldn't arrest myself
on my worst.
Speaker 6: He would say something close to that inadvertently. Of course,
he'd mean something very loge right, he would, but that's
how it would come out. Marijuana possession charge. Police say
they pulled the fifty year old duty over Friday for
not wearing a seat belt. Wmc TV in Memphis reports
an officer saw a bag containing eighteen grams of marijuana
on an arm rest in the car.
Speaker 2: Oh god, mister Udy.
Speaker 6: Is it okay? Looking at your license here? Arkansas? Huh
West Memphis, right over the river.
Speaker 2: And got a problem with that? Not at all? No,
just well you asking questions Marion? Do you live in Marion?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: Now I want to tell you something again. Now I'm rotten.
Now delivering food to the poor looks like you're delivering
a lot more than me. Looks like you're delivering a
lot more than food. Shut it, you shut up. Oh shit,
I'm delivering one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna sausages.
Excuse feedrol, excuse me.
Speaker 6: Suspect says he's delivering one hundred and fifty cans of
Vienna sausages. Back up to root seventy five. Please, well,
I can confirm dispatch looking in this trunk. There do
appear to be many cans of Vienna sausages in this trunk.
So that isn't a euphemism for drugs.
Speaker 2: I gonna tell you something else.
Speaker 10: I'm giving bowl water.
Speaker 2: Sir. Just please stay on your knees on the shoulder, please,
just please. I can't get on my knee, so usually
stand off. I broke my leg. Tell you what off,
Tell you what he tells him. Tell you what officer
he started. He suddenly realizes he's fucked. Tell you what.
This is all a big misunderstanding. How about this? How
about I give you you Let me go. I'm gonna
say you autograph picture. I'll send you one, so the office.
So the officer lets him go, and then six weeks
later he goes down to the mailbox and he's leafing
through envelopes. In one is an autograph picture. But you
know what, you know it too. It's like it's it's
not even like one of his one of his promo shots,
like a selfie that he took that he printed up
on his computer. Yeah, it's like up like up his
nose like and again it's on like it's on like
regular paper. It's not even on like photo paper. It's
on printer paper. He never told his wife about the arrest.
He's like banging on the bed because it's locked. She's like, Sid,
what are you doing in there? He's taking the picture.
Shut up, you better not be smoking again. I'm gonna
tell you something right now, woman, And it's real simple. Yeah,
I thought, I'm not obligated to tell you anything. I
won't do what I want. I'll do it to oh shit,
and I will do and I will autograph this picture.
I will tell you that I'll sometimes have to autograph pictures. Yeah,
this would be a have Do I agree with that characterization?
Speaker 6: Yeah, eighteen grams of marijuana on the arm rest in
the car. He also faced charges of driving without a license. Well,
that will come into play later. He was released on
one thousand dollars bond. Beauty of Marion was known as
Sid Vicious in World Championship Wrestling and a Sid Justice
and Psycho Said and the World Wrestling Federation. A message
left Sunday from Memphis Police was not immediately returned. A
call to listing for Sidney Uti and Marion was not answered. Well,
we can believe this story because sid was never shy
about talking about his oh boy affection for that stinky
green and here he is on his own podcast talking
about it.
Speaker 14: Everyone knows there's not a bigger pot smoker than myself.
I like the idea that we have this, and I'm
a I've got everyone knows there's not a bigger pot
smoker than myself. I like the idea that we have this,
and I'm a I've got my marijuana card, marijuana car
here for Arkansas. I think you had better marijuana when
it wasn't legalized. They're just running cheap streath through the
thing right now. But I think that has to be legalized.
There's just so so many upsides to it. I talked
to a couple of people in the last couple of
months now that I know are going through really really
serious pain management programs that are really backing off their
pain management because of the marijuana and the CBD all
stuff like that. So we've got to get that legalized.
Speaker 2: We can't.
Speaker 14: I hope that anyone Republican or Democrat didn't take a
stance on something that just you're taking a stance just
because that's where your party believes. When you really know
it's it's it's it could really help people. Yeah, and
help the help so many of the tax but so
much and they pay so much in tax you know, they.
Speaker 2: Do pay so much in taxes.
Speaker 6: And just know that, you know, if you're in a
state going forward that legalizes recreational marijuana use, or if
you're in a state that embraces it, or if ever
the day comes boss where you know, the federal law
changes to decriminalize marijuana, the day will come. And when
that day comes, I want you to think of sid Okay.
Speaker 2: We'll do. And that's that. That's the legacy.
Speaker 6: He leaves behind driving without a license with eighteen grams
of marijuana and plain sight. But the end is those
are hidden under lock and key.
Speaker 2: Damn right. I couldn't find those if you try.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: I mentioned that the missing license thing. I highlighted that
for a reason, we are now entering the point in
Sid's life where it becomes essentially a meme that he
misses shows, oh boy, and miss his shots for indie promoters.
And these indie promoters are a little more savvy than
the ones he may have tried to get one over
on a decade ago, in that they know how to
use social media to broadcast to people like, this is
the game he's playing, this is the promises he.
Speaker 2: Made, you know, here's the proof.
Speaker 6: Here are the receipts, as they say, and this is
what he said he would do, and this is what
we ascertained he actually went ahead and did. And then
these are the excuses he made when he didn't show up.
And then patterns start to emerge across different promoters as
they talk about dealing with Sid. This could be for
autograph signings or wrestling matches or appearances, they're all sort
of the same. And he is always citing a license thing.
It's either he lost his wallet and therefore can't get
on the plane, yeah, or can't you know, can't drive,
or he doesn't have a license, so he they don't
let him get on the plane because he doesn't have
a license, or the or the license he does have.
This is a good one, we'll get there. Doesn't comport
with the new real ID laws, you know that don't
allow necessarily a state driver's license without a passport to
get on a plane. I don't know where my passport is,
of course you don't. You kne where it was when
you hit France a couple of years ago. But and
just the missing wallet, and this, the idea of the
wallet becomes central. You know how he always was so
descriptive and schewting interviews about like the exact circumstances of
receiving a phone call. He was very He remembered walking
in the door, he remembered who answered the phone instead
of him and passed him the phone. He's very much
a magician when it comes to manipulating phone calls. He
strategically misses right or coming up with all these for
some reason, introducing all this detail about how the phone
call was placed. He called, you know, he called my
cousin's auto body shop, or he called me when I
was just coming in the door. He's always coming in
and out of the door. Sid He's always in out
of the door and it's you know, we enter this
modern age where promoters are comfortable going public when wrestlers
screwed them over, and they have a platform if you
have Facebook or whatever the case may be, to disseminate
those details, and the wrestling news sites will write that
up all day.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 6: Where sid his reputation for playing all these games crystallizes,
and the whole house of cards falls apart. Like if
you believe he got screwed once, you're like, oh, wait,
he's actually he's actually claimed to have been screwed that
way ten thousand times, right, Or this one promoter got
in his bad side and he screwed him in no weight.
There are ten thousand promoters he never once dealt with,
beyond it one no show that feel the same way
about him. And so this becomes fairly or unfairly, I
would are you fairly? I mean he certainly I think
did it enough to establish a pattern part of his
tail reputation in the business towards the end of his
productive years. Twelve. This is an article that was published
on Wrestle's Zone. It's not so much an article as
it was an email response from an independent promoter for
the company pro wrestling syndicate named Eric, who emailed the
website kind of an explanation of what it was like,
because you know what, Eric went ahead and did. Eric
hit the ring when Sid no showed his show, and
he cut a scathing promo and Sid for no showing,
because you know, you got to if you can't deliver
the people, you don't want him ask a refund. So
you go out there and try to turn the crowd
on the person, right right, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: You know he does.
Speaker 6: He goes in the ring and gives the whole audience
Sid's personal phone number.
Speaker 2: So they, oh my god, so they can blow him
up with complaints for no showing.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that I believe Sid had had a
whacky call forwarding mechanism where it was like, is it
really his number? People didn't even know, mister, I don't
have a computer, had like Google voice, you know, of course.
And here's the email that that any promoter wrote to
a wrestler's on that gives us a real uh, a
real flavor.
Speaker 2: Boss.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna turn it over to you get your best,
get your best indie voice on. And these are the
things that they start to.
Speaker 2: So good oh my god.
Speaker 6: Hold on, uh, these are the things that start to
get disseminated and things that start to get to be
known about about Sid's dealings. This is from the promoter Eric,
who went by Eric.
Speaker 2: Tap out.
Speaker 6: Okay, because he's comfortable with you knowing his name exactly,
and go right to head boss. What did the email read?
Speaker 2: Hold on here? What is it? The Wait a minute,
which one is the proto? Chris?
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, something else came into the bottom. Okay, hold
on a lot here? Now where's this guy from? Who's
this guy? He's the promoter of a wrestling outfit called
Pro Wrestling Syndicate. Hey, Chris, thanks for the email. I
enjoyed your your editorial, and do not fault you in
any way, shape or form for not having the full story. See,
you were simply going by what you were told from
a wrestler whom should be a valid, reliable source. The
way we handled the SID no show was definitely a
controversial move. Some will side with it, and of course, likewise,
some will we vocal against. Please understand that this is
our third miserable experience third with SID. Third third miserable
experience with SID, which is what really pushes over the.
Speaker 6: Top, also known by the way Boss is a big misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: SID has burned us three times now. First time we
had Sid booked was for May twenty eleven, said just
to sign autographs at the Queen's Elks Lodge for ninety
minutes before the show and wrestle against Eddie Kingston that night.
Said it was paid in full. When he arrived, he
was in private room with Nick Foley and Velvet Sky
for autographs with a lot of two hundred plus. After
legit fifteen minutes had got up, walked awayside and I
don't feel like doing this anymore, going to the back.
I don't feel like doing this anymore. You know what,
I don't feel like doing this no more. Shut up.
No one had said anything. He's just like I know
you're about to say something before you say it. It's
again this imagine. It's like, you know, he's sitting at
a table. See I also picture I also picture the
signing room like in the wrestler Oh always the ten,
you know, and so he just like a you get
a pale fluorescent light scheme all right overhead, pale fluorescent
light scheme, and he's he's wearing a red plaid shirt
tucked into his jeans baseball hat, puts his hand on
the table, stands up. I'll feel like doing this no more,
and everyone's like looking at him. Okay, shut I don't
want no back talk, I said versus Eddie Kingston was
a major letdown, and that not that anyone was expecting
a five star match. However, the crowd quickly turned on
and said within thirty seconds. The video of the full
match can be seen here. After the match, said came
to the back and said, Eric, I should have listened
to you. I've been doing this a long time when
I was wrong. We'll do better next time. Okay, not
a problem. You fans were upset by not being able
to get Sid's autograph with a sold out Elks Queen's
Elk's Lodge event. He said something about no one bringing Vienna's.
I don't know what the hell that's about, not probably
the email. Therefore we tried. We decided to try it
again with Sud to meet the demands of our fans.
Sud was booked to compete for p WS on August twenty,
twenty eleven in Ronk and Koma from Konkoma, New York.
We also got SID bookings to do two hour autograph
session and signings at two stories during the weekend. SID
flight was not booked until two weeks before the PWS
show because SID reference he did not know when he'd
be returning from Africa with Kevin Sullivan. Since stated the
Sullivan wanted him and wanted him in an Africa tour
and did not know whether Sullivan will be flying SID
directly in New York for US or back home. Sud
never went to Africa. Now, I don't know. Here's the thing,
I don't know where I'm going to be on with
Africa US too much?
Speaker 6: Does A guy who always said I never wanted to travel,
I don't want to leave the country. It's go to
Africa in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh god, you know. One week before August twenty shows,
said contact PWS saying he needed us to fly in
his girlfriend as well just keep people happy. We agreed.
A day later, she contact us again and said not
to fly and his girlfriend. But since we agreed to it,
to just give him the money for the flying. I
don't get the problem. I don't know why it is
such a bad reputation again again keep fans happy. We
sucked it up and agreed two days later said contract
to PWS again to go over that tenery for the weekend.
At this point he said he would only do one
of the two store appearances, not both, but one of
the same payday as if he was doing everything in
addition to the prices of his girlfriend's flying and both
store appearances were heavily advertised at Dan Sherman store in
Staten Island and at Royal Collectibles and Queens. Yeah, I
forgot to say.
Speaker 6: Pro wrestling seem to get a as a New York promotion,
I know, but I guess this guy's an Athens, Georgia.
Speaker 2: You know, listen, everyone's fine, you know, it's it's a
melting pot, it's a it's a you know, it's you know,
this New York. The people from everywhere, you know.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine a new you know, outside of Paul
Hayman real New York are doing a wrestling promotion. It
was pulled from Dan Van Sherman store again with a focus.
So just let's just do whatever it takes to get
Sid to PWS to ps of fans to then phone
back to say that he would not do the full
ninety sign the PWS. At that point, PWS explained that
he agreed to do that and that's the major reason
he was bringing brought in. They claimed he never agreed
to do ninety minutes, but claimed he agreed to do
thirty minutes. PWS refer to the details that we're in
the email to sit and explain his entire itinerary in full,
as well as a PWS advertise a ninety minus to
meet and greed featuring Sid and others for the past
several weeks. Sid said, Yeah, you know, I think we
have some red flags here. You'd say that again, Sid,
fucking Christ, He's fucking brilliant and this one PWS and
Sid agreed that he'd be best if he stayed home.
Was PWS announced. Immediately PWS ran with Dan mav versus
Harry Smith Smith's post w W first post w match
his said and came out of pocket. Given the first
three hundred fans and ten it's a free PWS DVD
to make up for Sid not being there. It's by
us again. Fans were upset that Sid wasn't there. After
all that, once again with PAS our fans, we decided
to try one final time with Sid. Said agreed wrestle
Matt Hardy on March twelve. March ninth, twenty twelve at
the Rahway Center Railway rec Center. Condition Is signed autographs
for two hours before we decided to keep Sid's booking
short and simple. I had no store appearances or convention
appearances while he was in town. PWS was approached by
Kfab Commentary about their desire to do a shoot interview
with Sid. After the PWS show, Sid accepted their offer.
PWS was in contact with Sid on a weekly basis,
making sure the specifics of his book and were fresh
on his mind. Sid was very polite, courteous, respectful, and
genuinely seemed like he was excited for the event, eager
to wrestle Matt Hardy. We had zero reason to believe
Sid would believe Sid would nothing, but was nothing but
a pleasure to work with. Based on these conversations, PWS
spoke to Sit at nine to forty five in March eighth.
Sid knew he had to catch a flight with six
ams in the LaGuardia with a transfer Chicago O'Hare, and
knew that a gentleman driving a black Homer would would
be picking up at the gate. SID was to land
at one pm in New York. At ten forty five
am on Friday, March nine, PBS received a phone call
from Sid which one as follows, Man, I'm not gonna
make it. We had an awkward pause waiting from to say, Hey,
just kidding, what's wrong you okay? Man? Thing is I
went into a Dead Boy soda and someone stole my wallet.
There we go there it is. That's it written in there,
you know the damn it's written in there. It is
it isn't there. That's true. Yeah, it's in there. I
wasn't doing that. That is actually in there in all caps.
Damn it. He went in to buy a soda full grown, man,
I want to do it by soda, and someone stole
my walk like its gonna fucking steal his water. Like
even though even though he's fucking even though I know
he's basically a cripple, he's still fucking what six '
ten whatever he is, Like, no one's gonna touch this
fucking monster, all right, He's he's still a very you know,
he feels aggressive. Right again, if you're looking at pickpock,
doing nothing makes you feel uncomfortable with this. You just
said that. I mean, if you're gonna pickpocket someone, if
you leave the house to pickpocket someone, you're gonna skip SID. Okay,
yeah right, exactly. Wow, that's really horrible. Where are you now?
I'm home now, I got a wasted day. Call and
cancel my credit cards. Uh is there any way possible
we can book you on a later flight and get
you in New Jersey tonight? They stole my idea, I
can't you know. I'll talk to you and call. Oh
it's a good one, man, I gotta get into him.
That's a good one. I lost my wallet in El
Segundo exactly like a fucking oh god. Well no, someone
stole my wallet off the counter. I guess yeah. PW
has tried diligently replaced Sid. We immediately began rapid firing calls.
Ken Anderson was contacted, but he was in Kentucky for
a TNA house show. John Morrison was contact, was unable
to do PWSD to a private sign in NYC. TNA's
Bob Ryder was contact. Nobody available. Ess Promotions, Eric Sims,
Same Deal, Kevin Steen, Jy Briscoe, Homicide MVP all received
calls as well. We were willing to make take on
multiple names to replace SID. Besides, the best move we
could have we could make was Jay Lethal Balls, Maahone,
Martin Jenny All wrestling on the event. We had little
time and not a lot of options. The Pro Wrestling
syndic At Supercard twenty twelve event open with Pat Buck
in the ring explaining exactly what happened with Sid. Sid's
phone was called from the ring and it went to
voicemail while fans chanted their thoughts on side. The phone
number was quickly read. Because we did not want anyone
to think we were pulling a stunt by false advertising SID.
It would have been very simple for anyone to turn
around and say, yeah, that's right. They probably called Domino's
Pietz and I said, Vicious right, you know what, give
that away? When they answered and said Dominos right, you know,
I mean, if you're gonna put it on speaker, you
don't actually need to give away the phone number. You
can just wait for the voicemail or someone to pick up.
But you know, after all we have been through, was said,
we wanted to extinguish any shadow of a doubt in
anyone's mind about the situation right, PW has offered a
refund anyone in attendance, and nobody accepted. During an admission
of the show, Pat Buck and myself encountered three fans
of the lobby area that were on the concession stand
line and there were verbally upset about sid not being
on the show. They said they felt cheated, and Pat
Bucking myself asked them how much they paid for their tickets.
Wouldn't I mean, wouldn't you know how much the tickets were?
It's your show? Well, since you're asking two thousand dollars, well,
we were told twenty dollars each. With sixty dollars cash
in hand, we offer them full refund, saying you know
you've just seen half a show of good wrestling for free. Curious,
you're sixty dollars back and they decline. PWS, I'll hold
you over right until the bank reopens. I'll tell and
we give you sixty dollars. I'll hold you over to
the bank. H I'll take two hundred dollars. Nold on,
Hold Hold a minute, Hold a minute. You understand your
money's not here. Not this thing all wrong, it's wrong.
Your money's not here. Your money's in a OL's house.
Your money's in Sid's house, in this house here in
the building tonight. That's right. Your money's in the house
that drew and the hols of seven gables and pws.
But does believe in keeping things professional. We would never
give out personal information on anyone unless there was an
extreme circumstance like this, like this, and we just we've
viewed the situation with Sid as just as being just
that an extreme circumstance. For instance, zem Zema i On
legit had car problems driving from Westerrginia, New Jersey in
March ninth. We know Zimma was being honest them. I
On is one of the nicest and most humble wrestlers
we've ever had on the pleasure pleasure working with. What's
your problem? You're I don't know who the zema Ion is,
but clearly not from the generation that sids from right
exactly right. That's your That's your biggest fucking blunder is
that you're taking the word to somebody who who you know,
this whole death, whole generation of wrestler. You cannot take
their word. In case the m i On it was unfortunate.
He couldn't be there in March nine for PWS, but
its said he was at the p w SHO on
May fourth. Have the same venuine raulway, simple, no problem,
easy breezy. Once again, we apologize that Sid was not
a PWS in March ninth, Think Wressell a Hardy. We tried, guys,
it really did multiple times. Ball's Mahony versus Mark Jenny
was added so fans because still experience a match that
has never happened before, because that's when everyone fucking wanted, right, Yeah,
everyone was really excited about that. That's what That's the
one We've all been fucking clamoring for. Ball's Mahony versus
Marty Jeannetti. I can't believe they showed up either. Yeah, right,
he's Marty. You know I like this, you know I
matched that has never happened before, and like it will
never happen again. You get that right? Yeah? Jay Jay
Lethal was added wrestling Matt Hardy, which ended up being
a stellar bout and which saw Lethal enter to Sid's music,
doing a spot on Sid impersonation, including his own rendition
of the infamous I have half the brain that you
do promo.
Speaker 6: If anyone can find it. I really appreciate it's a
dead YouTube link. Now, a lot of this stuff was
blasted out at the time and has since been taken down.
Probably Sid, Sid's lawyer gun on the phone. But yeah, right,
I'd love to see Jay.
Speaker 2: Lethal's uh, you know, chip Onto sh Older ciinimitation God. Yes,
that would be absolutely amazing. After all this perhaps the
most complexing thing the t pws that fans have to
contacted us asking will Sid be at the next show? Right, Hurts.
Speaker 6: It comes down to that, And that's a great note
there from from the promoter, Like we went through all this,
We're the company that gave out Sid's cell phone number
and called him in the ring when he know showed
And what's the What's the thing people ask most about
after all this went down? So is he going to
come to the next show?
Speaker 2: When should come on the next show? What's wrong with
these wrestling gus man? Like, you know this thing? I
don't listen, I get it. You know, the fucking business
is a fucking business, you know. So I'm not going
to tell you. You know, I don't take a reform when
I still watch him fucking wrestling in the ring, you know,
but when Sid come back, he said, huhm h, I
just I have no I have no I don't answer
for you, sir at this time. I'm not I'm not
obliged to say. I'm not at liberty to say. And
I don't know. I don't know. I'mbarrassed. What do you
mean you don't know, sir? I don't. I don't. I
don't know. He's not going to be here. She's gonna
fucking be I mean, I came here to see fucking Sid, Sir.
He wasn't advertised to be here today. We haven't. We
haven't been in contact with him since, right, We've made
the decision to break off. What do you mean you
you just cut him off and you're gonna let us fans?
Fucking what's your problem? I haven't seen him in years.
I a huge fan of his. I'm a big fucking
Sid fan. I was at the garden when he won
the belt. I was there. I was the fucking you know,
So what are you doing? I want to shake man's hand.
I have ship from auto graph and selling me. Why
are you fucking with me? Right exactly? Why are you
fucking with me by not reaching back out to Sid?
After he know showed sure, I'm not well, hold on,
he said, why are you fucking with me? Me? I sure,
I'm sure, you sure, I'm not fucking with you. I'm
not all right. I just you know, we've been we've
been burned by said, you know, I don't want to
burn you ship here we go. I want to fucking
burn your whole place down. How about that, sir? Please
don't do that. Six hours later, the fan gets back
to his house. How to go? Did you tell him?
Did you tell him not to burn the place down?
Sid work in an angle he found out about what
they said about him. Yeah, yeah, I told him that, dad, Frank, Frank,
you did a good job. Maybe proud for once, for
instant If you made me proud on the way home,
that's more important. More importantly, did you delivered the Vienna's
the Saint Patrick's? No got it? He says no.
Speaker 6: He doesn't even say oh I forgot, or doesn't said
what are you talking about? He goes, no, I wonder
he's so frustrated as this kid Saint Patrick's Cathedral in
New York City. You mean he's gonna leave like sixteen
boxes of Vienna's on the front stoop of Saint Patrick's said,
they don't all have pop top events.
Speaker 2: I was gonna give Bishop an autograph picture walking around
trying to hawk autograph pictures in Midtown. You understand, I
got so many fucking pictures. It has to be over
in New York. First down, New York. I think you
understand what New York means to me. I'm sorry, dad,
we stopped speaking with a stupid fucking accident from New York.
Stop being a bitch. Did you do it?
Speaker 6: Did you go up to the promoter and say, why
are you fucking with me? His sid wants to know
if he's gonna get booked again so we could do
it again, So we.
Speaker 2: Can do it again. This guy keep this game going on.
I don't know, Erica, you have to fly my girlfriend
over and all right, fine, I don't know. He keeps going.
I'm gonna say, here's the thing. Now, I lost my
wallet stolen. That's what happened. I was going in Delhi.
I was getting a package of bubble gum. Oh, I'm sorry, man,
I don't know what happened. I got my package of
bubble cow and okay, and how to go from there? Said?
Tell me the exact story about how you lost your wallet.
I really want to lose like a stolen God comp
me with a gun behind my head, Oh, he said Sid,
He said, Sid, give me your fucking wallet. He knew
you by name. Huh And what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, gun back my head.
Speaker 6: So if this happens, said, I'd imagine if I called
Memphis police, they would confirm it.
Speaker 2: Right, you can call anybody you want, they'll confirm me.
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 6: And at the end he goes, so, just just so
we are on the same page, Eric, who are you
gonna call? And like before he calls him, Sid calls him,
you'd listen to me right now.
Speaker 2: They listen to me right now. I want you to
understand something you make that call, bad things gonna happen.
Speaker 6: You can call anybody you want and they'll confirm it.
But I'll tell you one thing. If you make those calls,
bad things are gonna happen. So okay, let's go back
to the story. Then said, I won't call anybody. I'll
take your word for it. I mean, you've been missed
an upfront with us. So a guy just walked up
this mus have been horrifying. You guys walked up to
you and what stuck a gun in your back or something?
Speaker 2: Going to tell you were struck a gun. That's called
Franklin on your business. What happened was he struck a
gun and he said, sid, I'm taking your wallet. It
is so funny that he refuses to specify where the
gun was, like like, that's like that's something to withhold.
There's any reason whatsoever to make that the the withheld detail,
like and there's no way you know, and it's like nothing,
you know, you can say whatever he wanted to exactly.
That's what I mean. It's all he gets a risk
to tell the truth about that. It's okay.
Speaker 6: And then what happened He put the gun and then
you just gave him your wallet.
Speaker 2: He put the gun because he say he's gonna shoot me.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I don't know if
you've ever been threatened not that before, but I have.
And I got a broken leg and I don't have
what I had when I was younger because my leg
snapped in half. And so I said, he knew what
I didn't want. There are other people in the deli,
people eating food. I said, I'm looking. I'm not going
to risk the safety of others. And they're all looking.
They all saw the gun in my back right? Oh true?
Oh what was your back? Okay, behind me? Thanks for
confirming that I was wondering. They said, I didn't say
my back, Yes you did, I said in back of me.
Oh you said in your back in my back of me?
Oh okay, Sorry, I must have been heard somehow. I
always find myself doing that when I'm on the phone
with you. And then what you don't understand, and what
you don't know is that there were three others. Oh okay,
so this is is more to this than I thought.
What happens? Then you had three people guns aiming everywhere
different parts of my body. They repelled from the ceiling
like the cops and Christmas vacation when he and suddenly
the whole the whole day was surrounded by guns. And
so I was forced be on a shadow of doubt,
hand over my wallet on my identification, and now I
have to spend the next day casting credit cards and
castling my library card. Yeah, I guess God fed the
thieves take out a fucking you know Pardi Boys novel.
I'd say, I'm want to you right now, I'm gonna
tell you something real simple. I'm not gonna be paying
fines for someone else taking the library cards. That's my
name exactly.
Speaker 6: That's how he's been victimized by that before. It's not
gonna happen again, he said. He said, taking library cards out.
Speaker 2: With my name not book.
Speaker 6: Said, Oh, well, you know, Sid, I'm glad we talked
it out because at the end of the day, I'm
frustrated that you're not here. But it sounds like you
did the honorable thing.
Speaker 2: You fuck with me, great response, he sniffs. He sniffs
an opportunity to turn it around, because right because if
he takes this chance to make it like like he's
like he's been offended, then like he he can just
talk his way around any further inquiry about, you know,
the betrayal. That's tremendous stuff. He would totally do that.
I'm insulted. At the end of the day, I'm insulted,
and I'm wondering why he's doing this to me. Why
do I have to get in all this detail with you?
What entitles you to this level of details? If I
prove my ID, have I not been thrown enough. Have
I not? Have I not just give you my word
every time? Do is my word mean nothing? What is
it about you? Oh mm hmm? What it's about you?
In trust? Yeah? I'm a good Christian. I'm a good
Christian man. I do things the way God intended. And
what a God intend for you? Right, I'm more importantly
what a God intend for me to do? You you want
me come New York? If you want me to come here,
I'll do that right now, and I will break things.
Send me your address, send me your address, send where
you live. I'll fuck you up.
Speaker 6: Oh ship, He's not he's he's not even like being,
you know, ephimistic about it anymore. He's just saying he's
gonna fuck you up. Call the cops, go ahead, do it.
Speaker 2: You want to call police on me, fine, I won't.
Speaker 6: Show up right and I'll tell him I was just
a gunpoint and two hours ago, and this guy's give
me a hard time.
Speaker 2: I want to say this. I told this guy exactly
what happened. I told him now. I was a gunpoint by.
Speaker 6: Eighty men, and I saved all those lives in that deli,
And now you're coming around trying.
Speaker 2: To I'm a Goddamn, he wrote, this guy's giving me
a hard time.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of stress this man's ever
been under, but I doubt I doubt he's ever had
a gun. Let a litone eighty guns aimed at it,
at various parts of his body. Eighty start counting one,
two and get to eighty, and then so many guns
there are. I mean, like your entire body would be
covered with like fifteen, you know, let alone eighty. Just
and all those people bring all that firepowers, they could
dig one guy's wallet exactly because they know exactly who
wa it was. They knew then he knows sids wallet,
and they knew that Sid's wallet rules the world. And
before I got hit in the head with a shot,
I handed it over and I wouldn't going to let
my head be hit with a shot.
Speaker 6: You heard in that story and that email from the promoter,
that part of the gig was that Sid was to
do a taping for k Fabe Commentaries. He has never
done a shoot interview for that outfit. He's done some,
as we mentioned for our video and Hannibal and Sean Oliver,
of course, was the proprietor and creator of k fape
commentaries these days co hosts Kevin Nash's podcast, and he
did a book which is actually a pretty terrific little
book about putting together a shoot interview, a wrestling shoot, interview, business,
DVD mail order business.
Speaker 2: It's amazing and how.
Speaker 6: Many, uh, how many wild and crazy stories you have
trying to corral these carnies.
Speaker 2: For sure, I can imagine, Oh my.
Speaker 6: God, and that it's called k fabe stories you're not
supposed to hear from a pro wrestling production cony owner.
And he talks about this moment with Sid. We also,
I'm not going to do this accent. I could try it.
We also had an episode of Breaking Kfabe Ready to
Go for Sid Vicious If you remember, that series focuses
on the people behind the wrestling personas a large part
of Sid's show was written to focus on the pervasive
notion that Sid was problematic to hire. From a talent standpoint,
Sid was a test tube pro wrestler. He had the
perfect look. He was huge, chiseled monster. His promos, while
sometimes clumsy, were loaded with intensity. According to the Checklist,
Sid should have been one of the biggest stars ever
and should have worked far longer than he did. Sid's
great look and intensity aside, he began to be seen
as unreliable. He reportedly no showed gigs. He has lost
dates during softball season due to his passion for the sport.
When the hell is? When the hell is softball season?
Great question? It's a good question.
Speaker 2: Sid had done to shoot. This is a great question.
Speaker 6: Sid had done to shoot interview with another company before,
but outside some podcasts, not appeared on a shoot program
in some time. We thought this would be a good
get for us, but talking about the upcoming booking was
always accompanied by a disclaimer about the great possibility that
this wouldn't happen. I'm always one to give someone the
benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: Now I want to tell you some right now. The
one thing I can promise you is that this may
not happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is a promise it is prepared to make,
can confirm. So through the frivolity, we pressed on and
were ready to go. The suite was booked, contractors hired,
show written, and my soup pressed and in the garment bag.
Around eleven am on the day we were to shoot,
I got a text from another shoot producer letting me
know as a courtesy that he heard Sid was not
on the plane.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: I immediately texted the promoter through whom we booked Sid.
He said he didn't have details yet, he'd get back
to me. Well, that's sure, a shit didn't sound like
Sid's on the flight, and we'll be here in a
couple of hours. I waited impatiently for the promoter who
had Sid advertised to headline two days of shows for
his company to call with news. He got back to
me with the inevitable and an explanation from Sid. Mister
Vicious would not be boarding a flight that day.
Speaker 2: He did not be. That's right, and damn right.
Speaker 6: Seems he lost his wallet at the airport and wouldn't
be able to fly. I was because this this was lost.
Speaker 2: At the airport. God loss at the airport.
Speaker 6: That one's coming to, not that morning, not two hours
from then, and I guess not at all. He had
to get right to work finding the wallet and straightening
up the ramifications of its loss. Our loss was negligible.
We didn't pay anything. I canceled the suite, told our
contractors there was no payday that weekend, and scratched the
show from the release calendar. No Loss really just no.
Speaker 1: Sid a laptand wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack N. Carn Seo,
MJP Soro.
Speaker 6: Wow, so I think we have our working title No
Loss really just knows it And now no No maybe
he started to get all shady about these indie shots
because WWE was actually suddenly like actually entertaining, bringing him
in for the first time after all these years as
part of the Raw one thousand festivities we've been talking about.
I'm going to provide you boss with a link and
anybody out there in the Solar system can find the
same file this on YouTube. There's a couple of versions
of this. One is clearly transferred over from the actual broadcast.
It's not the WWE YouTube account one, which is you know,
much better quality. However, that cuts out a lot of
important things sure from the segment. So this is going
to kind of set the table of how ww was
bringing any guys of Sid's vintage around this time to
commemorate Raw one thousand and using Heath Slater as kind
of the mouthpiece that would talk it up and then
get beat down, And here it is, after all those years,
and after it seems such a such a dead issue
with the injury and everything. Sid returns to the WW
spotlight one more time. The video is Heath's Slater versus Psycho.
Sid return in parenthesis and Boss, when you have it up,
let me know.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. All right, let's let it roll in three
to one play.
Speaker 3: Cooperstars for the past are maybe their return two weeks ago?
Who would ever forget the appearance by the well, the
mask on No, it is.
Speaker 2: Vader, Look at Vader, look at him by the door
going up with a nag Vander Ball. And then last
week it was the Sad Sack Foley. It calls sad Sack. Yeah,
they got called to call him sad Sack. And then
he called Roddy Piper decrepit.
Speaker 16: Hor Everybody love seeing the hot Rod back in action.
Speaker 3: Probably not another superstar who we're told man Veal Ganda battle.
Speaker 6: A superstar who hasn't been on Raw in fifteen years.
As we go to break, we Come Back.
Speaker 17: Contest features a former Raw main eventnor It's the Honor
The one thousand episode of Monday Night Raw, July twenty third,
please welcome former two times.
Speaker 2: I love this guy. What do you love about this
guy who's the one man of rock Bad. He's like,
oh god, the guy, the guy that seems to.
Speaker 3: Think that all our horler raw Man should be put out.
Speaker 2: The fast and stated what a goof not like the
great saying boys instrument, crowd's going nuts.
Speaker 6: This was during Michael Cole's healed Yes, Yes, that's I
keep saying. It's why he keeps degrading the legends and
they always can hide behind you know him being it's
just a heel.
Speaker 2: Say that Piper is a pitch exactly. Say you're seeing
like a bird.
Speaker 8: Like a vulture.
Speaker 2: Cindy Lauper there, Yeah, Wendy Richter and Wendy Richter then
brought back Wendy, you think all these all these former
RAW appearance Yeah, Wendy meant so much to Raw, didn't.
Speaker 3: She said earlier he was pretty as a picture.
Speaker 2: So Cindy Lapper framed him an autograph picture one man, Ye,
look at his hair? What Vader.
Speaker 12: I don't care your Roddy Piper thinks about me. Yeah,
I am one of the top superstars on RAW. I
am He's Slater.
Speaker 18: And ah rule the world.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh man, I said, ah, because I miss
a music cue.
Speaker 11: Whoa wait just a minute, look at this.
Speaker 2: Describe what you see, please, Oh my god, Peter, it
comes out. He's got jeans, he's wearing a vest, He's
got knee pads over his jeans. He looks like an
eighty year old man. He get into year old man.
Let me like like that. Terry Funk looks younger than him.
He used to call himself two times. I mean, his
hair is a disaster, just fucking He thinks this is
the start of a run, and oh, he definitely does.
He thinks he's getting world titled by everyone's gonna agree
to take a power bomb and all that. Basic Man
promised to be a main event with Hulk Hogan wrestle
Mania teen years later. Michael Cole will call that June nine,
nineteen ninety seven. I think of July ninth. But you
know what, they're still fucking going for him. Yep. I
want you to focus on that too.
Speaker 3: It was part of a million dollar corporation. He won
his first championship in the nineteen ninety six Survivor.
Speaker 2: Series Dye Jeans. Listen to those people, yep. One man
shocking throws his open hand on on Heath Slater's throat and.
Speaker 6: Just standing around from West Memphis.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's kicking him. Was it his bad leg though?
Speaker 6: Who sets him on the top rope with a double
goosele and slaps him.
Speaker 2: Jesus out of the apron. He's doing nothing, He's doing nothing.
He lifts him up. Oh, the worst spinebuster in the history.
Just move after move with no nothing in between. Oh,
he misses the right hand. He goes to the bad
psychology said false. He's down on all both knees. Oh,
he's selling all right. He gets up, hells over with
the clothesline, just takes his head off. It looks like
an old farmer. He drops a leg.
Speaker 16: Get here, Psycho call spots Patten did release power bomb?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Michael Cole said, oh he did. Look he
puts his hand on his chest. Oh, he definitely thinks
he's getting a run. Psycho sick. Is this for deacent?
Serious tuning? And that man is he looks absolutely spent
rona celebrator?
Speaker 7: What time this episode?
Speaker 2: And he knocks on the one man rock Man eats lighter.
Well he's a little older, but.
Speaker 15: He still Psycho.
Speaker 1: I hope he does come over here.
Speaker 2: Hey from Psycho to Beautiful Superstars, Psycho said, Psycho said, still.
Speaker 6: Psycho said, takes me all the way back to what
great American Bash eighty nine? Yeah, just the sight of him,
and they can't stop chanting his name even after all
these years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he looks like a guy.
Speaker 6: He looks like a guy who showed up to complain
that his property tax bill is too high.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Absolutely, he does not look like a
wrestler anymore. No, he is definitely.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He listen, he is upset because he his farm is
losing money, right, all right, government overreach. Yeah, you know
he's a guy that says that with a straight face.
That's that's where he's at in life. And he and
he and he, you know, he just he just looks
like a guy who is now just a citizen, you.
Speaker 6: Know, exactly, and he's no longer special. And you know,
he reflected favorably on the experience he was asked about
on his podcast, and he said it was fun for
what it was. He says, I think you know there
was some indies and they.
Speaker 2: Told me I was going to get a run. I
don't you know, I don't know exactly what happened, because
they told me, you know, they said, Sidy, you come
in here, you win the match. If you win the match,
he would give you a possible run. I thought the
phone was going to ring. I was waiting for the
phone around. It's not a contract or.
Speaker 6: Sid again walking in the door, absolutely refusing to do
anything but powerbomb one two three, exactly tremendous. Oh, she said,
I enjoyed it a lot s later. It's a great
guy to work with, and he made it a totally
night totally a night off.
Speaker 2: Well he did. He did come back. He came back
a wrong wrong one thousand. Oh. The show itself, okay,
do you stand in the ring? I kind of remember this.
He was reading it here. So on July twenty third,
he he helped Lita take down Heath Slater, so a
bunch of them all came out. It was yeah, Sid,
and I'm looking at the picture now on Wikipedia. Sid Rakishi, Piper, DDP,
Bob Beckland, Slaughter, Farouk, jbl Animal and Voder.
Speaker 6: It was like an ensemble. Yeah, I remember him being
in an ensemble scene.
Speaker 2: Now that you say that, I mean he's looking at
it he's like he just pissed off, and he's not.
When you look at his face, he looks like a
complete Oh he's just not even there. It's just a
background character. It's not what he showed up for.
Speaker 6: He's got to be made a bentner, all right, sole
focus can't even be in a tag team or stately.
But yeah, I was just going through matches and that's
not a match.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right. So there he is.
Speaker 6: And you know they asked him once about, you know,
what he thought about the reception he got in the back.
He said, you know, it was a really good reception
in the back. Everybody was real respectful. A couple of
guys I knew, younger guys they were again said a
few things. I won't say what, but just really nice
to hear. I had a lot of respect for those
guys as well.
Speaker 2: Why he won't say if it's nice to hear, what's wrong?
Speaker 19: What do you?
Speaker 6: I'm just I say that only to illustrate the classicness
of Sid. Every time he puts his mouth, it's like, oh, okay,
that was that was actually a pleasant experience and a
pleasant response.
Speaker 2: All there it is.
Speaker 6: There's the twist at the end, where he was kind
of aggrieved and somehow it insulted by the whole thing.
But no, he says it was a good experience all around.
One thing he did note, though, about the changes in
the business and the company when he went back for
this twenty twelve stint, if you want to call it,
that was that he just couldn't survive in the way
that everything was set up back then at that time period.
Speaker 13: I think the scriptive part.
Speaker 20: And I was a part of that anniversary show several
years ago, and man, I'm telling you, everybody's there is unhappy.
Speaker 19: No.
Speaker 15: I remember he Slater, he had to do an interview.
He woulted to change like one little word.
Speaker 20: And if he would have changed that one word, just
phrased it a little bit, it would have been a
better interview. But he was scared to do that because
he would have got in trouble. Now, if I'd been
in that spot and it being a live TV I
would have changed it because I knew I would have
got myself over a lot of times, like the wwe
don't have things set up for you, we don't get over,
And I think that's a big mistake.
Speaker 2: Let the people get over.
Speaker 15: That can get over.
Speaker 6: Oh, he would have just been Wow. He would have
been such a peach to work with you. When Brian
Wert's hands on a script or something, you know, it
would have been just great. I can't imagine why they
didn't call him. Maybe it was that perspective, or maybe
it was this. Maybe it was in the shoot interview
he first did with RF video shortly after leaving WWFN
in nineteen ninety seven. This is early in nineteen ninety eight.
He's doing this, and he's flirting with the idea of
going to WCW and talking about playing both sides off
of each other, and he would soften this story in
future shoots and kind of anonymize who it was Boss
that he pictured conquering when he got to the top
of one of his famous bleacher runs as parker board workout.
Let's take a listen to this, and then you tell
me why after this underwhelming appearance in twenty twelve, maybe
Sid's phone didn't ring with the two oh three area code.
Speaker 21: I wake up every morning morning Monday through Friday at
four o'clock and at twoes to five, I'm working out
my first workout. Then from there I take a shower,
I go to my second workout and then I run
bleachers at nine thirty when I top moth foot touches
at the top of that bleacher. Every time, that's Vince
in one of these days.
Speaker 19: The same thing about is I'll outlive Vince, and I'll
outlive I will rustle longer than his ring too, so
I'll have the last word.
Speaker 21: Either he worked for him again one day and he
has to bow to me or give in to me,
or I'll be working working for the other company just
you know, should more fucking shit on me.
Speaker 2: Then's any response to that? Well, you know the thing
about Sid is, you know he has been He's an
exceptional talent. He certainly has had, you know, a lot
of successes here in the w W. We're proud of
all the accomplishment accomplishments that he's had. He's may have
been in WrestleMania twice. He has provided significant uh entertainment
factors regarding the legacy of Monday Night Raw and the
history of the w B as a whole. And really,
when it comes down to it, we see you know,
Sid as as a legend as somebody who who who
has who has provided us with years worth of of
entertaining minutia and uh, and you know, when it comes
down to it, he just can't cut the mustard.
Speaker 6: He said that he was going to outlive you, and
that was the solace he told me. The thing about
that is, you know, sid any update, any update on
that front. Then as entertainer, you know said at his course,
an entertainer, And what he does is he provides entertainment. Now,
if we know something about entertainment, is that entertainment it's
not real. Entertainment is something that is created to provide
some sort of emotional response. So what he does is
he entertains. He does not actually exist. So how can
somebody who doesn't exist outlive? Vincetick man, I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what tell me what. I can guarantee
you that I will put him in the grave before
I even remotely begin to die.
Speaker 2: H What happened all that?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 6: All those kind words at the beginning, that that olive
branch there, all those nice things you said.
Speaker 2: I don't recall saying nice things. I said facts.
Speaker 22: True.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything that was embellished. I didn't say
anything that was that was nice. I simply stated facts
that he was an entertainer, but he worked for the
w he had. He had monumental moments. We have things
that we remember. I didn't say anything that that was nice.
I dictated facts. How do you see? How do you
How can you be so confident? I mean, you're a
lot older than he is that you're not going to
go to the grave first, because, like I said, I'll
put him there if I have to. Nobody out lives
into man. Nobody. Wow, he said.
Speaker 6: When he runs to the top of those bleachers at
the high school and Marion or wherever and he steps
on that top rung, he feels like he's stepping on you.
Any response to that, Well, let's see him try to
step on me for real, and again we'll see what happens.
If I'm at the top of the bleachers and he
comes to step on me, I'm gonna throw him off
the bleachers.
Speaker 2: It's so basic.
Speaker 6: I'm yeah, I'm gonna throw him off the bleachers. It's
like he just falls, like he gets hurt, but it's
not like a not dramatical exactly. It's funny that it
said hiring a hit man to take you out with
a bullet to the temple. He hires someone to shove
you down and you hurt your wrist, and that's it.
Speaker 2: I imagine Vince lying on the bleachers. You're lying there
waiting for Sid to come up. Gohead, step on me,
pill nobody such a tough guy. Step on me, Step
on me.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question, Vince. Did he do
the right thing by phrasing it that way?
Speaker 2: Did he do the right thing? I mean, let me
ask you this is it'd ever done the right thing?
Right now? You tell me that he has, I'll show
you ways that he hasn't.
Speaker 6: He was holding out for a day like when, like
he said, when you would have to come kiss his ass,
you have to come beg him to get involved.
Speaker 2: No, I've never had to beg right, I never will
beg I get pussy just by looking at a woman,
all right. I see what I want and I get it.
I don't beg for it. I don't need to, because
I get what I want, and when I'm done wanting it,
I throw it away. And I was done wanting Sid
a long time ago. And it's not my fault that
that's been the dominant narrative in his own mind ever
since I let him go. It's funny how the people
who you throw away always seem to think that we're
going to need them again out of a boomerang effect,
isn't it. Pal, I like to watch Sid Sometimes I
will admit I've had cameras inserted into his house because
I like to watch him. I like to see how
he moves. So I to see how he wanders about
his house, because I know what a discol load. Sure,
what do you know? Because you know what? Go ahead,
go ahead, finish some flot only was hanging mm hmm,
because I know what. Because I know all the different
places in his house where I could sneak up on him,
and all the nooks and crannies. I could kill him
before he even knew he was in his house. Let
me ask your pal, have you ever heard of roundup?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: So that be a word to the wise. Do not
go on shooting interviews. Yeah, and say you're gonna outlive
Vince McMahon. That's how you're gonna win. Last person I
heard say that Terry funk in the grave. Yeah, I
bet Stuhart said that. I bet Fritz van Eric said that,
I bet verne Ganja said that I bet a million people.
I bet Jim Helwig said that, I bet Bruno. Sim
Martino said that Superstar buy Graham. You don't bet against
Satan get in the fucking grand ground.
Speaker 2: All right, you don't bet against Satan. I'll never fucking
say I'll outlive in sick Man. Fuck No, no, nope,
got a Why would you want to track that? Juju?
Speaker 10: Ye?
Speaker 2: That is just a horrible situation being Sid for you what,
I won't outlive VI sick Man? How about that? Just
so money? That's what it came down to for Sid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, after this, not a really a peep
for years on the indie scene, doesn't work any matches
for the next several years. He resurfaces in twenty seventeen, however,
at a tenth anniversary super show in Ottawa for Great
North Wrestling, where he faces and defeats a wrestler by
the name of Paul Rosenberg. Now this is significant because
Paul Rosenberg in his sidekick. I don't know a lot
about the circuit at that time, but they were doing it.
Being twenty seventeen, a Trump gimmick where a guy would
bring a Trump flag out and get a ton of
heat in Canada for it, and Sid found himself in
the crosshairs of the politics of the moment. Oh boy,
and he's out there beating up on the Trump guy
and getting pops in twenty seventeen in Canada, and god
damn it. You know we're going to find out we are.
We're going to find out how much of a problem
Donald Trump is for w's for Sid? Okay, oh boy,
because something goes off in his mind. That's a future
let's just say claim he can stake as as a
reason for new shows, all right, because what's one of
the things Trump Trump does. He comes in and he
makes in and out of the country travel more difficult,
doesn't he. Of course does that open a vein for
potential excuses for Sid to just not.
Speaker 10: Know of the flight.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: One of the indie promoters that Sid fails to show
up for suddenly takes to Facebook one day and writes,
which one of you buttholes told Sid that the owner
of the promotion is a giant Trumpster. Oh I hope
you're happy he decided to not get in a plane
for our friends at another wrestling company, so he won't
be appearing for us either. We are really disappointed but
now we can finally say we are like our friends
in the other company, and we'll get to what company
that is.
Speaker 2: But it's now.
Speaker 6: It's now and a new playground for Sid. This article
here by Roger Girinoff apologies for Not Is It Wrestling, Inc.
From twenty eighteen, Former WW and WW World Heavyweight Champion
Sid Vicus canceled an appearance at last night's Excite Wrestling event.
The promotion noted on Facebook last week that Sid canceled
the booking because the owner of the promotion, Johnny Moose,
is a.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump supporter.
Speaker 6: Boy Vicious had skipped an I A Double A i
W show last December, claiming he had travel issues due
to Trump's travel man. Excite Wrestling followed suit and had
a wrestler dress up as Sid and deliver a power
bomb at the show.
Speaker 2: I tried, I said, you know, I will go to
the airport and all of a sudden, our Don Trump
ain't letting Sid travel, right, he said, ceut banned from travel,
Tump Sid beauty travel.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what. One place, one promotion he
doesn't have travel very far for is a company called
MCW based not too far from his home. In the
beautiful state of Arkansas. So this is a shot that
Sid could make by car. And so there's no flight
issues to cite, no flight issues to be concerned about
or get tripped up on. And it's in this promotion.
We're going to take a look at it. So I
don't want to paint a picture for you before you
get to see it yourself, or boss, I would suggest
here in the final leg of our Sid tribute, we
really get that unalloyed Look what it looks like when
Sid is actually given creative power in the rest of
the Lord, not just to do a one off gimmick
here and there. But we've heard that's been a theme,
right every so often he'll say in an interview, you know,
I really would have liked to book in the business.
You know, Bill Wats was going to let me book.
I created the Colonel Parker character in Harlem Heat and
all that stuff. And he always tried to give us
this sense that you know, he actually had a mind
for the wrestling business and could run a promotion and
could be a booker one day, and one wonder why
he was never given the opportunity. You know what, Well,
he was never given the chance to express his ideas
and what he would do out there. This is a
glimpse at what we missed out on by not letting
book a major promotion all those years, as he discusses
here in a shoot interview with Hannibal, who had heard
to the Grapevine that there's a very small, low profile
indie near Sid's house, that he had started to develop
a character Sid for the first time since the Lord
Humongous Day's Bosses not wrestling as Sid, He's wrestling as Israel.
Speaker 13: Ah.
Speaker 15: I'll tell you what it was is I had this
idea and what it was is a little bit to
do with this cilly election, you know, And I used
that too, But no, it's it was just something i'd
come up with that friend of mine, his name is
Very Norman. He's a writer, and a guy named Peter Zeil.
There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols, Like if you had,
like in Mon's case, you had a bad leg, where
they could put a chip in your brain and they
can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have
that pain no longer. Well, we were doing something like that,
and we was having my buddy Berry sending little clips
to this place at Ocola mcw to show that we
were trying that and mayn I'm gonna tell you what
I didn't do, but just a few weeks of it,
and the people went crazy for it. I never walked
into the place. I had so much heat and I
was a big time babyface there for the last few years.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 15: But I did what it was I said, I did
the operation. What it was I said, I told the people.
I said, and this is while I'm still a babyface,
I said, don't wact around so anymore. Is I have
this operation, and I have this operation. I have to
take science over faith. That means over God. And I
was gonna call myself Israel. You know when Israel, you know,
fought with God, had got a bad hip out of
the deal, remember that, right, Well, I told everybody I
get God the bad hip, you know, just you know.
Then I took on a look. It started working that
I started taking on Donald Trump personality and I would
take off the hat, my my master, act like Donald
Trump or talk like that until the you know, some
of the people to get back in the back of
the bus, like the Mexican people. There weren't an Americans
there however, but I would say things like that and
just you know, I'm the boss, and I bought the
place and that everybody had game like three more weeks
and we was gonna shut the doors, and man, I
had a great time with that character. It's actually one
I would like to see go to the w W.
Speaker 2: Boss. Does that sound ready for prime time? To you?
Ramblings of a madman? What he really? He really is
a fucking coop? What is he talking about? I mean, seriously,
what did you what did you take from that? I
don't really know, honestly. I mean he he wants to
is he a nation?
Speaker 19: Is he?
Speaker 2: Is he representative of that? Is that what he wants
to do? I don't he's That's the most I don't
even know what to call that. It's it's beyond insane,
it's beyond stupid, it's like beyond offensive. It's just it really,
there is a a there's a category of its own
that has yet to be invented, and that's where that belongs.
Would you like to see Israel at action?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Fuck my life?
Speaker 6: You like to see what this looked like? And a
promotion called shit mcw is sid finally gets the chance
to let his creative juices flow. All right, if you
want to find it on YouTube. Israel aka Psycho Sid
Vicious twenty seventeen is the title of the video. And
here we go, all right, three two one.
Speaker 1: Play to the graphic nature of this program, view were
described advised.
Speaker 2: Look at him? What he lifts the mask? Look at him?
Speaker 6: Look at the intensity. I mean he's walking around like
an Alzheimer's patient.
Speaker 2: Really he's waving.
Speaker 6: Look at the size of the building. It's like a garage.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, seriously, it's I guess this guy is
the promoter of the owner. I mean he looks like
a pervert. Sid has one on his shoulders. He's got
these fucking like uh shoulder pads like pad for what
no reason? Because he's Israel. Look at that woman in
the back.
Speaker 6: So the promoter is saying, look, let's put this behind us.
Our differences and do you think you've seen Sid cut
great promos before?
Speaker 2: Boss?
Speaker 6: Oh boy, he's the people he was saying, were eating
it up. By the way, how did him stand there?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 8: On our side.
Speaker 2: We need him on our side. These people are like
they're what are there like seventy five people there?
Speaker 6: Probably twenty seriously, maybe like thirty forty people.
Speaker 2: Is that the booker back there on the desk. I
don't know.
Speaker 23: Let's have started with.
Speaker 6: Let's come to what are you sid? What do you
think Let's start over again with your football shoulder pats on?
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 19: You white last it was buzz gil, No, buzz, don't
coming back to last week.
Speaker 2: It's all men to doing this. I'll want to turn
against you people.
Speaker 10: You don't mean too much.
Speaker 18: Anyway.
Speaker 23: I no, guys, really, Oh.
Speaker 2: I just go home and get a haircut. Excuse me,
get your haircut and do what? Come back and be
popular again? Oh my god again? Would you all accept
my friendship again?
Speaker 23: I'm sorry, I mean, guys, I mean, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Is he doing. I'm sorry he's apologizing, shaking hands with
the promoter so much ringside here. I'm sorry, you ass
me to the guy on the desk, he is like
he's apologized him, and the guy doesn't forgive a ship.
He's like, why am I here? He's still talking, said,
still talking Devil's rejects. He has football shoulder pads on
the whole time. Yeah, and like basically like a you know,
like uh uh mechanic coveralls with the knacks back. God yea,
and he puts on the ever. This is the people.
It wasn't even a fucking axe handle. He's uh he
like he did. I don't even know what you'd call it.
Look at the crowd. Oh my god. This there's tables
with drinks and ship like. This is absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 6: He's lumbering around pretending to attack this old man promoter.
Speaker 2: And the old man fucking pretending to sell no one.
Speaker 6: The crowds just sitting there. I mean some people are screaming,
but they're just sitting there.
Speaker 2: Some guy came down with a hat and a chair
or he tell them to sit. I was in a
baseball bat. Who is that clown? I'm not sure his name.
It might be Buzzkill.
Speaker 8: And wait a minute, it's not Joe, you understand.
Speaker 2: Look at him, I mean he looks like a complete
dufus football shoulder pads on yeah.
Speaker 16: Both first he probably also a.
Speaker 8: First or something.
Speaker 2: Piscipalion is already said no reaction. One girl screating, but
most people are looking at him. The one person screaming
at him, but I, oh my god, he.
Speaker 23: Said, I'm looking.
Speaker 14: Damn bomb you white fresh trails.
Speaker 23: I said this last.
Speaker 16: I mean, I.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's just lumbering around ringside.
Speaker 2: I mean he's just like a mic has a cord. Oh,
here comes a guy climbing up a ladder. Look at it. Yeah,
he's communicating with the Is that it? That's that I'll
look at there. Go to the go to the kitchen,
get some food. What are they serving? I want to know. Okay,
let's never watch that again. I mean, just paint the
picture for people, I mean place. If it's just he's
just speaking gibberish, you can't really understand what he's fucking
said Nucus of the audio. You really, even if you
I heard everyone said it, it just doesn't make sense.
Like he just he's just speaking words, and you know,
and he just stands there like he I don't know,
I don't know what was attempted to be accomplished. Just there,
you know, he just stands there and he speaks and
he he kind of like, you know, he moves. He
has a very very limited map, all right, like his
his road. It's a basic kind of you know, right angle. Essentially,
he goes from the desk of the ring and then
he comes back down the side to kind of where
the I guess where the entrance is, and then back
and forth, like he doesn't walk around the ring and
like go to everybody. He just kind of stays in
this warm little corner. He's just walking back to notice that, Well,
it's because the mic has a cord. He's using a cord. Yeah,
I guess that's it. I mean you think that that
in this date and age, you have a cord that
could run, you know, more than ten feet.
Speaker 6: Again, I want you to picture like being all right,
seventeen and you're gonna go trick or treating, right, and
you throw a costume together, you know, because you're way
too old, and you cover yourself head to toe, long
sleeve black shirt with black gloves, black like you're wearing.
Speaker 2: You wear black coveralls, is what you're doing.
Speaker 6: And then he puts NFL shoulder pads on and they
look like they're like a youth small. Yeah, they're like
why definitely not his side there they do? You know,
Usually you put shoulder pads on and you can see
that they enhance the shoulders and these do not. And
he's got the Jason mask on, a hockey mask, and
he's just standing there and he's a big.
Speaker 2: Oh fu a big. He's a big, He's a big lug.
It's not scary at all. And when he tries it,
and again he doesn't. He doesn't even fucking I mean,
I you know, he doesn't even He just kind of
talks like Sid. He doesn't. He doesn't, you know, he
doesn't like actually talk like a nation or or a
you know. I mean, I'm looking at the description here
under the YouTube video says he who wrestles with God. Yes,
that's Israel, which like he just like Sid.
Speaker 6: Who wrestles with God, but talks like Sid Udy from
here exactly, And yeah, he thinks this is ww ready
And now that you watch that, Okay, now that you
have just listen back to this and just realize that's
what he's talking about.
Speaker 15: I'll tell you what it was is I had this idea,
and what it was is a little bit to do
with this cilly election, you know, and I use that too,
but no, it's it was just something i'd come up
with that friend of mine. His being is very normal
when he's a writer and a guy named Peter Zel.
There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols. Like if you had,
like in my case, you had a bad leg where
they can put a chip in your brain and they
can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have
that pain no longer. Well, we were doing something like that,
and we was having my buddy Berry sending little clips
to this place at Ocola mcw to show that we
were trying that. And mayn I'm gonna tell you what
I didn't do but just a few weeks of it,
and then people went crazy for it. I never walked
into the place. I had so much heat, and I
got a big time babyface there for the last few years.
Speaker 7: Uh, But I did what it was.
Speaker 15: I said, I did the operation. What it was I said,
I told the people. I said, And this is while
I'm still a baby face, I said, don't wact around
so anymore. Is I have this operation, and I have
this operation, I'd have to take science over faith. That
means over God. And I was gonna call myself Israel.
You know when Israel, you know, fought with God, he
got a bad hip out of the deal, remember that, Yeah, right, Well,
I told everybody I get God the bad hip, you know,
just you know, then not took on it started working,
that started taking on Donald Trump personality, and I would
take off the hat, my my masters, act like Donald
Trump or talk like that until you know, some of
the people to get back in the back of the bus,
like the Mexican people. They weren't even there, however, but
I would say things like that, and just you know,
I'm the boss, and I bought the place, and that
everybody had that game like three more weeks and we
was gonna shut the doors. And man, I had a
great time with that character. It's actually one I would
like to see. Go to the WWE.
Speaker 1: Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's a lapsed
fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jo.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad he had fun with it. I
guess I that was a character. I mean, he just
stood there.
Speaker 6: With none of the personality. He had his sid and
right his face is stone faced, monotone, and he's walking
around and he's pivoting at the hip and looking at
the people, and he's got a kid's shoulder pads on
the whole time, and.
Speaker 2: He's just I mean, listen, the only heat that was
in that building was coming from the kitchen. And the
hush puppies. They were bringing out exactly the locals on
a Friday night, right, and he had nothing to do
with sid Uh. You know, at the end of all this,
my excuse me, you want to be disrespectful the nation of.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: I just can't believe we lost out on this guy
getting a chance to let his creative juices flow in
the big leagues. I don't know how this guy didn't
earn a spot on a creative team somewhere.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you something, Vince, I got an idea.
No way, yeah, all right, I'm gonna hit mute. Said,
you go ahead.
Speaker 15: You just let me know.
Speaker 2: Tell me what your idea is. I want to be
a people. Excuse me, I want to be a people. Well,
you are a person, said, you're a person? You are
of people? No, I want to be a people. I
want to be Israel. I see, And what does this
have to do with me? That's what you understand is
now I'm coming back to the w w E. That's
a new persona. I got a new character in mind.
I want to base it on the wacky things going
on the election, the wacky things so many. All right,
are you gonna dress up like Trump or something. Is
that the me? Are you going to be like Sid Trumps?
What's the look? You're coming out with a big bouffont
blonde bof Donald Donald Vicious? What's the look? Pal? Help me?
Help me see it? So I want you imagine me
all dressed in black, Okay, like the Undertaker. No, no,
like the Undertaker, like Israel. Okay. Now I want you
to understand, I'm wearing a black coverall, I'm wearing black gloves,
and then I'm wearing shoulder pads. You were like football pads, Pala,
I mean like you mean like women's shoulder like under
the shirt right in the eighties, like under the shirt
you can wear your shoulder pads and mm hmm okay,
you're talking about NFL football pads. I suppose those under
a shirt would add some bulk. I know it's hard
for you to put on bulk, you know, I you
know you are a bulky guy. But I can understand,
you know, you try to create a new image. Sure
you wear that under the shirt, under the cover all shirt.
That can create a no no, no, no, what no
under the shirt or to where the where the pads going?
Pal on top my shoulder pads fully exposed. What is that?
I mean, what's the point of that? Israel is so
putting putting the pads on on over the outside of
the shirt. Is Israel? I am reel, Israel rules the world. Listen,
I'll tell you what. Why don't Yeah, why don't we?
This is great? I love this. I think this is
We're gonna fast track this. Why don't you do me
a favor. You book a flight up here and we're
gonna right, We're gonna make sure that this gets right
on television, and you know, do me a favor. Call
me when you get here and I'll make sure that
I'm in town for this. Can we make sure we
get like videotape of this ship because I need to
put this on YouTube. Tom all right, I'm gonna put
this fucking shit YouTube. Israel psycho, Israel, one piece of ship.
You know, I'm hearing everything you're saying. On the phone.
What what what?
Speaker 19: No?
Speaker 2: I was talking about something. I was talking about something else, Bell, Yeah,
I was talking about No. No, I'm sorry. We get
we have a show in Israel and there's a psycho
who's trying to book the you know, it's a whole everything,
not you Israel, the the the the gimmick. This, this
is not a gimmick. This is the new sid Ah,
Damn Israel here Israel? All right? Well, oh man, if
Sid could have just been a booker, the whole world
will be a different place. I'll tell you, a world
of nations and peoples, of all the things it was
it was not real. Okay, is real? That's the one
thing it wasn't. Damn right, is real? No is fake? Terrible?
Speaker 6: That's It's selful that it came down to that for Sid.
You know, it's such a reality. But we're missing the
silver tuna here. Oh God, we're going to talk about
this part of Sid's life. If we're going to talk
about the pattern of behavior that begins to emerge in
the world class excuse making. He starts to make, he
starts to compose for himself. We can't not talk about
the time that he now showed an event for a
i W in Illinois for promoter John Thorne, who had
his own podcast at the time and who started in
one episode of the podcast kind of dejected his co
hosts giving him a hard time. So he's on suicide
watch because much like the aforementioned pro Wrestling Syndicate promoter
a lot riding on the idea that an appearance from
Sid himself is quite rare on the US and D's
back in that day and you can come here and
come to this AIW show. I believe it's absolute intense
wrestling and lay eyes on Sid.
Speaker 2: He'll be here.
Speaker 6: Promotion promotional material is out. People are counting on him.
He's the draw. But as they go to record the podcast,
I believe a couple days before the show was to
happen that weekend, the voter John Thorne lets us know
that in fact, Sid didn't.
Speaker 2: Go to the airport. Oh boy.
Speaker 6: The night before he did tell him on the phone,
Hey brother Sid, this is looking forward to seeing you
in the morning. This is according to John Thorne, and
Sid said he'd give him a call. John said he
went to bed and had his phone on loud all
night so he can get woken up if the phone
rang and he was asleep.
Speaker 2: Never got a call.
Speaker 6: Sid was suppose to fly at five forty am that day.
John wakes up at eight thirty, no call, and he
thought to himself, maybe he's just, you know, maybe just
went to the airport. And I don't know, there's a
fuck in at the check in or whatever. Maybe you
got the wrong number, the wrong check in number, whatever.
He says, you know, I'm just gonna see what happened,
because it's not the easiest to find out if he's
in the air or not. But you know, if you're
just some third party. But he was like, you know,
I'm gonna put the check in number in and at
least that'll tell me what the seed is he had.
And because they booked the flight for SID, right, so
they have some some transparency here and they're going to
try to find out what's happening with SID. That way,
somebody goes on American Airlines website. He looks at it
and says, you know what, this flight it says this
trip has been canceled.
Speaker 2: Canceled.
Speaker 6: Trip isn't canceled, what do you mean, no bad weather
or anything, And maybe just just canceled, you know, because
it's it's he's already boarded or something like that. Maybe
they just cancel it out because it's you know, it's
been it's been dealt with, it's been launched. So you
know what, I'm gonna call American Airlines. He says, I'm
gonna let me let me see if I can get
further on the phone. So he calls him up and
guy answers. He says, you know, hey, I am I
about a flight for somebody, trying to locate him. I
haven't heard anything. Trying to make sure they're okay. At
the end of the day, a lot of SID for
the about a flight for this guy, said Udy and
six hundred dollars flight non refundable. Give him the check
in number. They said, yeah, that trip was canceled.
Speaker 2: But what do you mean.
Speaker 6: All the flights are on time? It looks like to me,
they said, no, Sydney Dy has canceled the trip. That's
the extent of the detail he's able to get.
Speaker 19: Now.
Speaker 6: He's deeply frustrated, But I like the promoter we talked
about before. He's got Sid's number. Yes, and he's recording
a podcast, Oh my god, and he can put that
sucker on speaker.
Speaker 18: No, dude, he's doing some weird fucking hackershit with his phone. Sid, John,
what's up, man, I just got back from the airport.
Speaker 7: They've got a god damn thing on my driver's license
is where it says I didn't pay a ticket, and
I got to sit here. I just looked through my
mail and it ain't nothing better about a fucking speaking ticket.
And I guess now that fucking uh Donald Trump has
got these fucking things. They can't let me get through
without a passport, and I didn't have my passport. I
can't find that son of a bitch.
Speaker 18: Either, So so what happens now?
Speaker 7: I don't know. John's why I'm sitting there looking looking around,
think what to do. That's golf to follow with my lawyer.
He was I was on the phone him when you called.
He didn't see if anything I can do, He's and
I'm not the only one that I had a friend
of mine happiness that they weren't going to a wrestling show,
but they were. They worked for Delta of all things,
and when they tried to get connected flight to get
home the other day. Some to do with this fucking
this new travel band. If you got like what I've gotten,
I'm not sure it's the speeding ticket or what it is.
I got it in the mill the other day. My
wife actually actually has it, actually had one. And I
had a friend of mine that you years ago, when
came in the mill, says a Department of administration and
opened here is just to see what it was. Because
the guy's dead now, he's not live anymore. And it
was a speeding ticket from Louisiana. So I took my wife.
She ready to me. I can't remember it was the
speeding ticket or where it was, but because I had
that on there, I can't. I got to go now,
I've got to go get my wife is renewed.
Speaker 18: So they so they just wouldn't watch you through Huh
they wouldn't let me home. Fuck. Uh yeah, I don't like.
I called the airport this morning, the airline this morning,
and uh, you know, they didn't have any answers for me.
I was trying to call you. What was going on?
Speaker 7: I doubt your uh uh your phone on my cell
phone and I must have hit the bone digital I
got over there. It wasn't going to your number. It
was going to some fucking automated thing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, because I you know that way and have
it with me.
Speaker 7: And again, like you said, I know the girl works
there a Delta. She says, there's there's nothing we can do.
Speaker 18: Uh, well, your flight was on American I know.
Speaker 7: That, but she works there, so I tired going and
see if she knew anybody and you know, help me
out on that. But she said the same thing happened
to her. And then I keep remember that the other
person was I didn't And it just depends what state.
Who is this? I used to talk to a girl
in the gym about that yesterday. That's what it was.
But that's what it is, John. I can't get through
because I've got some kind of fucking outstanding thing and
it can't be no more of the goddamn speeding tickets.
I can't think of anything else. I but even had
I can't even remember getting the speeding ticket. And this
could be something. You know. What happened was I've only
had driver's license down for about a year. They never
did what it was. For seven years, I couldn't get
a driver's license. Uh, maybe longer than that. They said
there's something wrong with it. Was something wrong with it.
I got a lawyer and went through every fucking state
in the Union see if there was a speeding ticket
or something somewhere outstanding.
Speaker 2: They never really could find anything.
Speaker 7: And then I got a ticket one day and the
judge says, you better fucking find out what's going on,
You're gonna be in trouble. So I went to the
revenue office. Now they look they just said, hey, we
can't find anything. And that's what's so weird about it
when they look it up. Even when I get pulled over,
they changed nothing on your records showing that you shouldn't
have shouldn't be able to get your driver's license. I
finally got so, and I've had them that for over
a year. But I don't know if that's the same
thing popping up or what it is so damn administration
thing that my wife getting ready to me I can't
ever or something stupid.
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know that's Uh, this kind of sucks for
me because I had a lot, you know, I sold
a lot of tickets for tonight.
Speaker 7: I know, John, and I'm I'm not upset more than
you are, of course, but I'm pissed about everything that
I pissed down that I don't have a fucking driver's license.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I just don't know how I'm gonna explain it
to people, you know, right, It's.
Speaker 7: Just I don't know, man, man right now, and I've
got ten thousand fucking other things stupid, and it's just a. Yeah,
I spent seven years trying to figure this fucking thing out.
I thought it was behind me.
Speaker 13: And because they.
Speaker 7: Said the colendar, they said, what it was is because
of these jew restrictions that Donald Trump has put on
different states. And they don't know because they can't look
to it because well, you've got a problem in this state, you.
Speaker 11: Know what I mean.
Speaker 18: That's fucking that's fucking Trump man.
Speaker 7: I tell you, Donald, tell you what, John, I've never
voted my whole life. Donald Trump has messed up more
things than this. We could go on all day.
Speaker 2: It's because the football thing.
Speaker 7: You know, I did want call him Tapernick around either
for what he did. But the deal was is the
NFL owner said already decided he wasn't going to be
So Donald Trump steps in and makes of all this fuss.
Now everybody, I know, not you watching football anymore.
Speaker 18: It's you know, it's turning it into a real crazy world.
Speaker 7: Well he just turned it into something he didn't have to.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Again, they want to said Kaepernick, you're not going to
place if you were that this dance that you wanted
to take, it was already taken. So Donald Trump comes
in and makes up a little bit more fuss. Now
it's got you know, I know, I don't Honestly, I
don't know anything. People that I talked to when I
bring up the subject that are watching football now.
Speaker 18: I'm not watching. Do you hear Vincent Man might buy
the Carolina Panthers?
Speaker 7: Do what now?
Speaker 18: Vincent Man might buy the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 18: He's he's uh, or he might bring the XFL back,
that's the rumor.
Speaker 7: Well, you do the only thing about this is this
John down Mark Cuban. Okay, if they're going to turn
down Mark Cubans, they're definitely gonna turn down Vince mcman.
Speaker 18: I agree, you know what I mean absolutely.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a you know, I guess if there's any
type of fraternity that's gonna that's gonna be funny. The
last touch or last effect about this will be the
NFL football owners. You know, I would you know, I
didn't know. I didn't realize this today. This so before
they ever let someone like put this man into probably
you know, put a black owner in first. But I
doubt that even you know, they're gonna be real picky
about who they put in there.
Speaker 18: Maybe uh, you know, maybe uh, in a couple of weeks,
we could have you on my podcast or something and
you could maybe like explain, yes, explain the situation. I'm
just trying to find now. I'm trying to scrabble to
try to find a replacement for you know, something I
don't I don't know what's getting what to do.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm sorry this happened, Dan, I said, Thank god,
I just got home the stove man's go work. Could
call you. I heard the phone ring and as I
was getting in the door. But oh my god, it's
just I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna fix. I just
called my lawyer. He's checking over the find that was
going on.
Speaker 2: He just called his lawyer wing.
Speaker 7: Oh see what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 18: Yeah, because I'm you know, I'm out quite quite a
bit of money too on the flight in the hotel and.
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, I know, your money back to the hotel hopefully.
Speaker 18: Now because it's not twenty four hours. They won't. I
already called. They wouldn't give me the money back. Oh shit,
So I'm kind of man.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry that I could be maybe next time, but
set up a podcast something. I'll be glad.
Speaker 18: To do that for you, okay, man, you know, and
keep keep in touch. Maybe we could have you come
to a makeup or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 18: Well, you know, keep stay in touch and keep me,
keep me in a loop with the license and what's
going on with the Trump stuff and your your license.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then just again, you know when you want
to do this podcast, so you get a chance. I'd
love to be able to come back, you know, to me.
It's been fishing me off twice. And you know, my
writer expecting to see me now you gotta call him,
tell him I can't make it. It was uh, it
was really a great opportunity for me to have to
be able to.
Speaker 8: Do one time.
Speaker 18: Right, Yeah, I know you're like forward to seeing the
book writer, so just sometimes yeah, absolutely, just keep in touch. Okay,
have a great day you too.
Speaker 2: I guess he's not coming. What the fuck? I don't
even know where to begin. I mean, that's absolutely insanity.
Speaker 7: Like he.
Speaker 2: The tangents, the yes exactly. He just went off on
so many different like every time there was some way
to connect, like every time there was like he just
he just kind of kept like it was basically like
one long run on sentence. You know, he just kept
something else, like he just talked about Trump and all
of a sudden talking about football.
Speaker 24: And here's the thing, John, Yeah, right, exactly, here's the thing,
exactly like he's and what is I guess what's really
the most brilliant and at the same time horrifying.
Speaker 2: Thing is how casually he does it. Yes, and I
know that that's kind of the the thing, and wrestlers
do that, But I'll tell you, I don't know, Like
there's something about the way Sid does it that you're
if you're not, if you're not kind of of the
right mind set and you're not on your own game,
he could fool you.
Speaker 25: Yep, yep, amen, because he keeps just talking and talking
and talking. He just exhausts you to the point where
it's like it's going to be easier at this. I'm
already pissed off with this guy to begin with. It's
not going to make me feel any better to let
him talk at me for twenty five minutes about tangential subjects.
Speaker 2: And he knows it's not only that, but he's just
the way he just keeps going and he knows.
Speaker 6: This he's not doing it because he's he's not doing
it by mistake. The more he talks to you can talk,
you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep. So in other words, good guy and a pleasure
to deal with, and a guy who never got a
fair shake in the business. I mean, what the fuck? Seriously,
what the fuck?
Speaker 6: And you got to think how many times he played
cards like that? Eleven years on a license?
Speaker 2: Is what he said?
Speaker 6: You see something like that, like, I mean, maybe I
don't know, Maybe it's getting arrested for having weed on you.
Maybe that's what the problem is. You can't It was
another one of those like, you know, I don't know
what it could be, you know, over and over again.
And my wife read it to me over the phone.
So that explains why he doesn't have it on his person.
But what and he didn't have a license when he
got pulled over with the marijuana either, right.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Seriously, it really is unbelievable.
Speaker 6: So you can imagine just how how breathless the headlines
were about how Trump you know, sid blames.
Speaker 2: Trump in the twist.
Speaker 6: Don't imagine on the twisted every promoter saying about this
guy all this time and he mentioned the book. You know,
he mentioned he was going to meet with a writer
too when he was out there. And needless to say,
we've gone all these weeks talking about Sid and we
never had an opportunity to quote from his book because
let me give you a guest, boss, do you think
it came out?
Speaker 2: Do you think it was no?
Speaker 6: Do you think it was problem an issue free trying
to work with Sid on getting a book out about
his life.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that there were some inconsistencies on the
level of Diana Hart.
Speaker 6: It came out in review form to select few, very
few have seen the book Sid decided to write, called
Poetry in the Sand.
Speaker 2: The Israel story came.
Speaker 6: Out in twenty twelve. Now a wrestler, a writer at
Slam Wrestling named Tom Letterge was able to get his
hands on the book. And this is the description we're
able to get. If anybody, are you out there in
the Solar System by hook or by crook, is in
receipt of a copy of this thing, we would love
to see it. But it's not a huge loss because
from what I understand, it's just like that phone call.
Speaker 2: Well, but then again, that is a huge loss, right
for entertainment.
Speaker 6: Factor, or I should say it as Sid says it right, right,
right right. Poetry in the Sand. Tom writes detail Sid
Vicious is larger than life persona, but is small and
wrestling dirt. First off, the title of this Sid Vicious biography,
Poetry in the Sand, is based on a misheard Beach
Boys lyric from California Girls. Author Barry R. Norman writes
at the stand in for palm Trees in the Sand
reminded him of the six seven, three hundred pound Vicious
Sports Sydney Udy. Norman explains that he and Psycho Sid
met and became friends during their time at World Championship Wrestling.
Udi was an in ring ruler of the World in
Norman working television production. Norman is a self described media
junkie who has worked in print, me movie's music, and
even promoting the Olympics. He has self published other books,
but in this his first one on professional wrestling, The
Udi Baya, was published by Stillwater River Publications. The book's
forward gives great detail about the men's friendship and how
things very recently went wrong. Early on, Uti poses the
question do you think you know me? Perhaps most wrestling
fans do remember his beginning as Lordymungus as w CW
battles with Sid and Hulk Stinging Hulkogan Rather and his
World Wrestling Federation now World Wrestling Entertainment squash match against
the late Big Bully Busick along with his manager Harvey
Whippleman Downtown Bruno. Udye spends a great deal of the
book detailing his childhood, which began on an Air Force
base in Moses Lake, Washington and more famously for his fans,
West Memphis, Arkansas. Although Norman wrote the book, it is
entirely in Udie's oftentimes hyperkinetic tempo with a run on,
sometimes rambling, and random style reminiscent of Jack Carroll Wacken
Hunter S. Thompson Sid was Wrestling's Hunter S Thompson.
Speaker 2: That's that's Ie Wow.
Speaker 6: Youuty details how his family moved frequently, especially after his
parents split. He spent quality time with some of the
men his mother dated and had relationships with following the
marriage breakup. As a growing teen, you'd he worked long
hours on farms under the stifling Arkansas sun, saving money
for brand new sports cars that enabled him to rack
up DUIs and other traffic citations in a short period
of time.
Speaker 2: Oh my God good.
Speaker 6: He explores childhood adventures along with drug and alcohol use.
The one hundred and fifty two page tome is a
quick read, but don't look for much in the way
of backstage wrestling stories. He addresses the infamous arn Anderson's
stabbing incident in less than.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want that. I wow what
he's going to do with all the craziness. He knows
what you want, and he's gonna wait for you. Yes,
he's gonna insist that you sit down and eat like
ninety five percent of your meal as vegetables before he
gives you like five percent of yummy st Yes, in
less than one hundred words, and it is fifty nine
pages in before he devotes time to his horrific and
ring like break in ww Oodi notes that his animosity
toward w B chairman and CEO Vince McMahon helped him
get through rehab. Norman confirms that Udy was indeed angry
with Nicmahn despite not being employed by w B when
the injury occurred. In chapter ten, Throwing Everybody under the Bus,
Oodie takes a jarring turn from stories to strange declarations.
He claims to never have missed a booking due to softball.
Anyone who has followed his independent bookings nose that's an
abject fallacy. In fact, he claims to not play softball
but semi professional tittly winks. Excuse, excuse me.
Speaker 6: According to Norman, Udi doesn't relish in wrestling talk, but
would rather talk about his years growing up. I wonder
why you will find that here and you'll grow to
appreciate this somewhat low key former champion. The storytelling does
take a less Thompson esk Ryde in the book Rest
of the Way. Probably Udi is introspective when it comes
to faith religion. His relationship with his loving aunt Joyce
is the highlight of the book. His love of music,
snippets of song lyrics that are meaningful to him dot
the book, and personal relationships. There is a strange chapter
dedicated to the coda angle Ud believes would be a
great wrestling angle, but could only be told by the
same team that brought the film The Peanut Butter Falcon
to the big screen, or by Norman's own film contacts.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry what now.
Speaker 6: The coda angle revolves around a gigantic, masked wrestler named
Faust who comes out of independent Wrestling Nowhere and resembles
a certain destructive behemoth. Faust's wheelchair bound manager dukes McMahon
into signing Faust to a contract. After much exposition, much
more detail than any program in WW history, it's determined
that Faust is in fact a superpowered ud. A happy,
satisfying ending ultimately concludes Udy's storied career. So sign good
Pitch Boss. The coda angle, I don't really have a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: And now for the Udi.
Speaker 6: In Norman's story, According to Norman, a long time ago,
the two met on the job and bonded over their
shared love of softball, and remained best friends until recently.
In fact, Poetry in the Sand with Uty emulating Marvel
Comics Sandman on the front cover is currently in distribution
limbo in some buying platforms, according to Norman. On June twelfth,
twenty twenty, Amazon notified in the email that the book
was pulled from its website, noting that they don't want
to get into the middle of a legal dispute. At
press time, a resolution for this dispute is still pending.
In recent bonds if not weeks, The friends have had
a falling out, most of it seems to surround a
planned visit to Utie's home, as well as the tone
of the book itself. The rift widened from there. Most notably,
Uti in his legal team argued that the book did
not have a legal certificate of registration. Oh my god, Si,
guy who can't figure out why he does have a
license is filing lawsuits saying you don't have a valiant
certificate of registration. But Norman is quick to provide proof
that he has crossed his tees and dotted his eyes.
On the Vicious Circle podcast, duty is discussed replacing Norman
as his biographer. In their now evaporated friendship, Both men
have admitted to experiencing bouts of depression, and Norman says
the two bonded over their troubles as well as their
happier times. Sadly, Norman says Uti has recently reached out
to him. However, its his opinion that their friendship is
irrevek irrevocably broken. Editor's note for more in the Conflict
of the biopleasee Letargy's previous slam Wrestling dot Net story,
Slim Wrestling dot Net did reach out to Udi through
Rob his podcast co host, to offer Udi the opportunity
to share his side of the story. Bellamy responded to
the email quote as for the book, once the legal
side has wrapped, both Sid and myself would be happy
to talk about it. Nonetheless, thanks to Norman's seasoned guidance
with Poetry in the Sand, we do get to know
who Udie is, and the One Time Skyscraper is as
complicated as a wrestling fan may surmise. He isn't as
detailed as the writings of Christ Jericho or mcfoley, but
it is a must read for anyone yearning to know
more about Udi. Norman's next project is writing a play
about the infamous Montreal screwjob, written in Shakespeare in English.
Speaker 14: Ah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, good luck getting a Sid book out. I
doesn't this guy sound the biggest nightmare in the world
to deal with?
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, sounds like just a complete I don't
even know. Ah, I mean I need this book. Yeah,
I think we need to find it. It sounds like
it's for a limited period of time it was out there.
It sounds like, but it's an important artifact. I haven't
seen really any evidence. I saw a screenship screenshot, but
a photo someone put up holding it with a cover
in their hand. But I haven't seen any indication that
what's it called again, what do you call the book
Poetry in the Sand? I mean, that's what he called
this book, Okay, poetry in the sand? Called this book
poetry in the sand? Or poetry in the sand? In
the sand? Yes, poetry in the Sand. I yeah, I
don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 6: So perhaps sensing that the book was not necessarily forthcoming
in terms of wider distribution and no longer needing to
hold back on, you know, just talking openly and freely
on some of the details of his of his life
that he thought he'd save for the book. That that's
always the most frustrating part of any wrestler's life is
when they think they have a book coming that someone
wants to read, and they're interviewed one hundred times and
they withhold things, you'll have to read the book, Oh god, please,
I won't have to read the book. Say it now
or forever. Hold your piece, because you're really testing my
patience right now and my interest. In fact, you're making
me not want to buy the book so that you
don't get to win this fucking strange tug of war
who we're engaged in. But so he starts a podcast.
It's called The Vicious Circle, and the co host is
someone we've heard, you know, in snippets along the way,
and he starts talking about his career and his life
and his upbringing and color is and a lot of
things that we weren't sure about. For instance, why is
Washington state listed? It's his birthplace when he was such
an Arkansas boy and his family sharecroppers in the area
because he was born on an air Force base and
Washington was gone from that spot within a couple of
years and moved all around as his father, a hot
shit air Force pilot, flew all over the place and
thus leading to Sid's interest and ability and flying, but
definitely not the kind of you know relationship. It's just
like Scott Hall's relationship with his dad, you know, hot
shit army father, who he had a fair degree of
distance from, you know, and didn't really know all that well.
And so he gets to talking and he's going through
his career and at one point he takes us back
to Japan where he wrestled very briefly as Vicious Machine.
You remember this where he came in worked for Jinami
and Anoki and stuff, And my god, does he have
a whopper of a story that we have. The podcast
he launched in twenty twenty one, I believe it was
to thank for.
Speaker 1: Sling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan
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Speaker 14: I love Japan though, man, it was it was fun.
The only thing is you were over there, you were starving.
Speaker 11: I was.
Speaker 14: I took her big duffer bag of Danna sausages and
oh my god, chicken, devil hand chicken, devil chicken, all
that crappy stuff. Now the Vienna sausages. Will I go
to the Japanese. They take me out and feed me
all night. You come back, go, yeah, sausage, you want
to silence?
Speaker 6: He took the Viennas to Japan. The Viennas weren't just
a thing that the church got him into.
Speaker 2: They were they were what he needed to survive. Was
popping tops and the lady's intel. Can you imagine like
he's on a fucking plane, all right. You know, you're
sitting on a plane opposite this fucking behemoth, all right,
Like you're in the aisle and you're across the Offerman
and you know, he's just kind of like sitting there.
Number one, He's just sitting there. He does not have
any sort of entertainment, doesn't read, watch a movie, all right,
He just plaid shirt, yep, tugs in the jeans, baseball hat,
seat belt. He just sits there, seated like he's in restraints,
right and just staring ahead and not moving at all.
All right. Now, if you're sitting up on the opposite
aisle of him, like you keep looking over there and
you're you're obviously getting nervous, and so it's got to
be alarming when he finally makes the move to reach
down into his his his uh uh, you know, his
bag whatever you call it, the carry on and the
what personal personal bag, and you're like what the fuck?
You know, you're probably thinking he's gonna grab, like get
a bomb or a gun or something that was able
to smuggle on, but instead he pulls out a tiny
fucking can of Vienna sausages, fucking takes the key tab,
opens it up and you can, you know, and right
then there's a little bit of turbulence, so some of
the juice like flies out onto his tray, onto his uh,
you know, and so this is a little bit messed there.
And then he like he just takes his middle finger
and just wipes it off and licks his fingers and
then starts just putting his finger in the can and
taking out sausages and eating them. And that's what he does.
Like just you watch him because you can't not watch this, this, this,
this this complete ogre. You can't not watch him eat
these tiny little fucking penis sausages. That's what he does.
You watch him. And then when he's done, they come
over and you know, they're like, get your trash, any
trash you just puts it in there, and then he
goes back to sitting completely still horrifying, absolutely horrifying. Also
watching him eat worthy the Japanese. I guess so, oh,
I guess they're all. CID's coming. Oh, Vienna's in the hotel.
We got Vienna's a wrestler state.
Speaker 6: It wasn't just Vienna. It's coming to find out. Sid
realized that if he ate some of this low grade food,
in front of the Japanese as a wrestling superstar. They
would take it quite personally and see do it that
Sid was fed some of the finer foods Japan.
Speaker 2: Had to offer. God, and oh my god, let me.
Speaker 6: Tell you, boss, it doesn't take very many cycles for
Sid to realize that trick.
Speaker 2: I'm staying Toyo.
Speaker 14: Tokyo Plaza, I think it was named hotel, and there's
where all the dignitaries were staying. And so I was,
you know, in the lobby, and every time I stood up,
everybody reached over to point.
Speaker 2: A gun at me. Now tell my star know there
we were.
Speaker 14: I mean, I just couldn't afford to eat that kind
of food. I'm trying to take every penny home with me,
and so I lost minisult white, and so I'd go
to the store and get me some peanut butter with
a new bananas and brand. I'd go down Bobby ate
these things that it was a big insult to the promoters.
First they see you lives in white. Then the fans
see me in the hotel, you know, peanut butter sandwiches,
so they'd get real upset, and they all take me
out to eat every night.
Speaker 2: And I took advantage of that. Man.
Speaker 14: I've talked about being an opportunitist, right, well, I did.
When I realized that work. I did that every chance
I could.
Speaker 6: Man Sid sitting in the lobby of the hotel making
a show out of his peanut butter and banana sandwich,
knowing that it would hustle him another free, high class meal.
Speaker 2: I don't see any problem with that. Gods how to
work the system.
Speaker 6: August twenty sixth, twenty twenty four, it is with heavy
hearts that we announced the passing of Sydney Ray Udi,
who was born December sixteenth, nineteen sixty in Moses Lake, Washington.
He passed from this earth on August twenty sixth, peacefully
at home after a long, private and courageous battle with
non Hodgkins lymphoma and chronic heart issues. Sid was a
beloved husband, father, grandfather, son, brother, friend, and mentor. He
was known for his kindness, humor, generosity in living his
life on his own terms. Although he traveled the world wrestling,
his heart was always back home in Arkansas. He was
especially proud of his three grandchildren, Raylan Udy, Charlotte Udy,
and Frankie Udy. Who brought immense joy to their pauper's life.
Sid is survived by his wife, Sabrina, his two sons,
Frank Udy Ashton of Naples, Florida, and Gunner Udy Kelly
of Mary in Arkansas. His mother married Joe Howard. His
sisters Bobby Udy and Margot Udi had several nieces and nephews.
He is preceded in death by his father Bobby, Joe Udy,
his sister Christy Houghton, and his aunt Joyce Good. Though
his presence will be deeply missed, his memory will live
on in the hearts of all who knew and loved him.
In honor of Sid's life and legacy, the family kindly
requests donations be made to a cancer research foundation or
a heart health charity of your choice. Resting about the cathedral,
no well, Rest.
Speaker 2: In peace, Sid.
Speaker 6: Your battle is over, but your legacy will endure forever.
Sid was born December sixteenth, Boss, how close are we?
This may even drop on?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 6: What would have met his birthday? Yep, his son Gunner
was really the first to break the news. Most in
wrestling didn't have any idea Sid was even sick, because,
as we learned, with a leg break. But the health
is not. But he's not the picture of health. Sid
has a way of retreating, has a way of hiding,
as a way of uh seeing to it that others
don't know what he's going through. But suddenly, his son
Gunnar took the Facebook and posted the following earlier this year.
He was known as psycho Sid vicious to the world,
but to our family, he was simply Popper, the beloved grandfather.
I'm sorry, what now, popper? Yes, pop popper, like jalapeno popper,
like how those crowds popped incw there. Sid was diagnosed
with congest Yeah, they called him hullip. Sid, his father,
his son wrote, was diagnosed with congestive heart failure in
twenty sixteen. So during all that time, during those phone
calls and all that foolishness and everything, heart failure and
atrial fibrillation better known as aphib ah. Around the same time,
he was also given a pacemaker. In April twenty twenty one,
he was diagnosed with stage four non Hodgkins lymphoma, which
was linked to roundup weed killer. Although he never told
anyone about his fight against cancer, Sid lived his life
to the fullest attending the gym, boxing classes, making appearances
for his fans, and of course te ball games for
the kids. He passed away peacefully in his bed, leaving
behind a legacy of strength and determination. I've never met
anyone with a fraction of the strength as my father.
He truly was one of a kind. Thanks everyone for
the uplifting words and love. We definitely feel it. We
have received thousands of messages and are grateful for every
one of them. I don't have time to reply, but
I have to. I have read all of them. Thank you,
thank you, thank you, Signed Gunner Udy. Among the many
posts on Facebook reflecting on Sid's life and times, a
couple stood out. One by someone by the name of
TJ who wrote the memories I have from the House
and Marion. The one that sticks out the most is
being power bombed on the waterbed.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: This is one of Sid's former compatriots in the business
when he did the POB stable in Memphis power pro
between his wwfront and coming into WW in nineteen ninety nine.
By the way, shout out to the homie David Caminister,
who's able to find out that POB and the promotion
stood for pride of brotherhood, scintillating stuff.
Speaker 2: That was the name of the wild.
Speaker 6: We didn't know exactly what to call him. And there
was a wrestler in that stable along with Sid called
Stunt or Stumpy, who owns a barbecue restaurant not too
far from where Sid grew up and passed, called Stumpy's
Backyard Barbecue. And after Sid had a memorial service in
his hometown, Stumpy took to Facebook, it's been a whole
day since we laid you to rest, celebrated your life
here on earth, and paid our respects. You would have
been proud of your boys.
Speaker 2: I know I was.
Speaker 6: Frank gave an eloquent eulogy, and it's apparent he shares
your gift of telling stories that puts the listener back
in time. Gunner kept us all in line and made
sure everything was arranged perfectly. Obviously skills of yours he
shares Sid. You and I not only became friends and
wrestling partners, we became family. Part of being family is
we may not have always seen eye to eye, and
sometimes our pride got us, but we never failed to
come back around, check in and see each other for
who we really were.
Speaker 2: Brothers. Time flew by fat What it's a brother? What
who Stumpy did? Wait, don't begin to push this tribute
to his wrestle Bady, a opponent horrified.
Speaker 6: Help did do an interview with I think a barstool
podcast where he said I got along great with Suit,
I mean in the ring. The one thing I can
say about said is he took care of you. He
never hurt me in the ring. And then they said, yeah,
but he was critical of you in some shooting interviews, Hogan.
One thing that kind of cast me off guard is
all these guys, and there's several of them, not just
pointing out Sid, all these guys that I've worked with,
and all these guys that have done business with, all
of a sudden, in the twilight of their career, when
they're done, they do these shooting Hulk didn't know anything
about the wrestling business, or Hulk was an asshole, And
I'm like, man, I had no idea that we.
Speaker 2: Felt like this. Sid did some of that towards the end,
but I would have never hold it against him because
I love Sid. Brother. Wow, No, I don't, but about
the Sid, dude, I'm just saying, Brother, you know, I
thought I knew one thing, and this is a problem
with the whole. You know exactly with everything?
Speaker 7: Dude.
Speaker 2: You know, I know I knew one thing, but I
don't know everything. And if I don't know everything, then
something's amiss. Brother. And can I ask you a question, Hulk?
When will you know if this is your last match?
I just won't know until I got out of the ring.
Speaker 6: Time flew By Stump wrote faster than any of us
could imagine. The kids fishing in your pond, or their
punishments for bad behavior of cleaning the pond. Frank cleaned
the pond, digging fishing worms under the old tailgate. The
Bible stories you gave them that applied to life today.
The louder than thunder laugh when they would actually.
Speaker 2: Silly with you. The hot padise the hot rolls at Lambert's.
Sit into it a hot roll, dowb I mean, we know,
damn well, get a picture like okay, the tablecloth is
like red and white checkered, right, oh yes, yes, and
so is the the napkin that holds the biscuits inside
the basket. And he like unfolds the the the linen covering,
and he peels a biscuit open and and and you
can see the steam and like the sunlight that's coming
in the room of where he's enjoying the hot roll.
Yeah again, loan at a table, all right, alone at
a table.
Speaker 6: Many memories with my kids and more than that, they'll
never forget the days and hour spent with you at
the gym and the Chinese fa afterwards, hours of listening practice,
going over our next show, the hours in the ring together, Vick.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like, you know, complimenting a good workout with
Chinese buffet, listening practice, going over our next show, the
hours in the ring together, the unforgettable trips out of town.
The pob will always live on and we will never
forget rip. Well done, my friend, Sid, Udy said Vicious
Psycho Sid, Sid Justice, my friend, my brother until we
meet again, Pride of brotherhood, Love Stump. Interestingly, there was
a billboard that went up not too long ago a
Times Square or around Times Square where a hip hop
artists by the name of West Side Gun just put
out an album called Still Praying, and the cover for
the project is just a picture of Sid in the ring.
Oh my god, Doriga's career, just standing there, you know,
with a Bental advisory explicit lyrics thing right up on it.
It's something to see. That's wild. As for.
Speaker 6: You know, the family that Sid left behind, it's it's interesting.
You know, we talk about softball, and we joke about softball, and.
Speaker 2: It is a joke.
Speaker 6: I think we've established that the way he talked, the
way it factored into his life story and his wrestling
story is is hilarious but boss some. But then you
come across a picture like the one I just sent you,
Sid looking through the fence at a little league field
with I can only supposed to be as one of
his grandchildren, and he's wearing the exact shirt you talked about, Yep.
Speaker 2: Exactly, He's worried a fucking plaid shirt. You know, I
bet that's you know, I bet I bet he doesn't
know who that kid is. Yeah, smiling down nick, random kid, Right,
you're probably right. You don't play softball. You won't know
something kid once. He's real, simple, ah amn is real.
Speaker 6: And I think in a lot of ways, the guy
that shattered him his entire career in a lot of
ways and shared the ring with him. Connective tissue from
the earliest WCW days and the skyscrapers through to the
WWF and the top of the WWF, all the way
through into Sid's WCW Return the guy he probably headlined
with more than anybody and swapped more titles with Kevin
Nash himself put it this way visav Softball and VISA
V Life reflecting on the passing of Sid on this podcast.
Speaker 13: Obviously he's right, he's he's passed on at sixty three
years old. He didn't miss those fucking softball games. He
went and did it what the fuck he wanted to do,
because when he was forty years old, fucking they wanted
to push him, and he said, I'm in the middle
of a tournament right now, and they all said, oh,
Sid don't know what the fuck he's doing. Well, when
Sid got brain cancer, he fucking I guarantee you if
I said, said, I am so fucking glad that I
didn't have these motherfuckers, glad.
Speaker 2: I took that that I took, my time, took my
fucker did it his way, right, It's true. Yeah, yeah,
there is some truth in that, no question. And we
know Sid.
Speaker 6: In his own way found God as a man who
self admittedly never went to church, did not interestingly enough,
considered the part of the country he grew up in,
and how conversing he seemed to be in that Israel
promo about Biblical verses and Pentecostal and Episcopalian denominations and using,
you know, his understanding of religion to get heat, not
somebody who was who's very, very church going. But we
know that eventually he found Saint Mary's Cathedral in Memphis,
he found the weekly pop top lunches. And I don't
know what to say other than for the last several
years of his life, there was a little more on
his mind than this church, in this meal program that
he found for for for the homeless and less fortunate
in Memphis. And I thought, in the spirit of that,
I'd put together a little final ode to a love
story the likes of which we never expected to uncover
here on our tribute to sid mister Judy's affection, bond
and holy matrimony the Viginnas.
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and
I sent him an autograph picture. I'm not saying I'm
a Christian, but I.
Speaker 11: Do go to church and into things I like.
Speaker 7: During Saturday mornings, we go over there.
Speaker 2: It's called pop tops.
Speaker 7: To about nine.
Speaker 26: Thirty weeks with them.
Speaker 11: I'm bag the bags, got your kids being the sausages
and pack the packers a.
Speaker 7: Moon town, a bottle of water, and they did a.
Speaker 2: Little bag of ladies or something.
Speaker 26: I think you out about either one hundred hundred of
those every Saturday, and if just in case, uh, there's
a there's a big fan of virus robb out there.
Speaker 13: His name is Joe.
Speaker 15: I don't remember his last name.
Speaker 14: But he actually sent some either some Deanna sausages for
my charity or he sent some vitamins for my charity,
children's vitamins.
Speaker 13: Oh really, and he.
Speaker 14: Calls me all the times and bugs eat Pete, bugs
the ship out of me. But he's he's uh, he
moves from Washington. He's running away from the coronavirus. He
moved to Indianapolis outside of there and started he works
Worth casino and all of a sudden, now he's laid off.
You know, he's trying to move to my house. Joe,
you can't come here. Who's the deacon who? Again, he
doesn't get paid, never been paid, ten or twenty years.
He's been there af forget how long. But he's given
over two hundred and fifty thousand cans of Viennas over
the last ten years or so, that maybe in the
future we might all try to get the other together
and make a little drive sensivienna sausages or something like that.
Speaker 19: You know.
Speaker 14: I used to tell people to send Vienna's to them
because I didn't want to be in the middle. I
didn't want to receive money and nothing. But talking to
Drew about one of the things we could do, and
I don't what do you want to do it right now?
Till we get, you know, find more about it. That
we can send it to Saint Mary's Cathedral, to.
Speaker 22: The church under under Drew woods Woodruff under discretionary funds,
and he could use that because we're able to go
now to what's called the food things, and we're instead
of paying forty to fifty cents acand of Vienna's, we're
able to pay a pen times for them if they
have them, you know, because you buy it by the pound.
Speaker 2: It's pretty tough to to someone know they can't have
a Canavannas? All right?
Speaker 15: Is it?
Speaker 14: Any last words?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 14: I just want everyone to that are interested for this
is you know, the new year, and let's I'll keep
ourselves with that thought in mind, and let's try to
do more positive things. I do want to say something
real quick too. I'm not sure. One day this month,
I'm going to be doing a radio broadcast with the
bishop of our church, and they're going to talk about
what we do on Wednesdays and Saturday mornings is called
pop tops. The pop top means exactly that it's either
a Canaviannas or a Canna tuna or a spam or
something like that. We put in a bag, pack of crackers,
a bottle of water, h maybe a moon pie, bag
of raising. That's what we give to people that, you know,
you know, homeless. I don't like to use the word homeless.
We like to say the ones that are miss unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Right now, I think we all hope, boss, that we
can find our own can of Viennas, don't we. I mean,
that's that's the dream.
Speaker 19: N know.
Speaker 2: I had it on. I had you know, my mute
button on because I just want to let that play out.
But I was hurting, hurting every time he fucking talked
about Vienna's. I mean, what the fuck, hosages?
Speaker 6: I didn't expect when we launched our tribute to Sid,
after all the memories he gave us in the ring
and then being so formative during the Galory days, the
Golden era, the Hasbro era, that after tribute and serenading
that another gift he would give us is we can
never look at a can of Vienna's on a shelf
and a family dollar the same again. I'm gonna think
of this man whenever I see any canned meet for
the rest of my life. And a possession that Sid
valued towards his final days and his twilight, and a
lot of people didn't know was his twilight when he
was doing things like this, but it was was get
his hands on another tractor, said in his podcast, you
know the other day, got a tractor. Got that gonna
landscaping business pretty much, it's just tractors doing a lot
of bush hogging. And said also got him some commercial
property and residential property.
Speaker 2: Got a good crew. You know, before he got into wrestling,
he was a farmer.
Speaker 6: He would walk with his childhood friend and follow the
railroad tracks and hunt their way all the way to
the Mississippian back and it'spent hours and hours and hours
in the brush and the fields and the planes and
all the rest, and he went through to years as
a chemical salesman in the agricultural business, cited all those
years later as perhaps a contributing cause of his cancer.
But for said, you know, even if it ironically wasn't
the wrestling business that got him, though it certainly did
him in if it was in fact the other career,
the parallel life he led, the Bucolic farm life that
he led his true north after all of a sudden,
done nothing.
Speaker 7: Better for me.
Speaker 15: In the morning, get it at three thirty, go to
the gym, be home by six thirty, and be on
my tractor heading to the field about six forty five.
That to me was one of the greatest feelings of
the world. Is already had half a day by me,
and as sun rises and I'm going out there and
I'm starting the second part of my day at six
thirty when everybody else is still asleep. And that's what
you get as a farmer. It's that kind of gratification.
And I love those days like that, you know. I
love being out in the field like that. And it's
been a lot of fun doing that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Boss.
Speaker 6: We started this TLF tribute to Sid, who in so
many ways is his tlfx's at Cats Good Story couldn't
be a better fit to enter our tenth year of podcasting.
We started this wondering how this man was able to
go around for so many years saying I am the
Master and the Ruler of the world. Yes, and no
one batter Dean I. No one let out a chuckle.
No one seemed to think that the phrase, despite being
patently absurd, strain credulity all after taking stock of his
life and times. Maybe the reason, Boss, I think I
got it that it never seemed like a stretch for
Sid to claim that he was the Master and the
ruler of the world. Maybe it was because he was
in his own world all along, And in the final analysis,
it seems everyone was grateful for the time that they
got to spend in it with him.
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