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<v Speaker 1>The heart of the nation's capital. This is a Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Acosta Show special report. All right, welcome to the Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Acosta Show. It's another day that ends. And why in

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump alienating America's closest allies. Somebody who is not

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<v Speaker 1>being alienated these days is Natalie Harp. Despite all of

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<v Speaker 1>the negative attention that Trump's a strange relationship with Harp

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<v Speaker 1>is receiving these days, she was very much in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the cameras all weekend long during the DC Grand Prix.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's discuss with our returning champions, Molly john Fast of

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<v Speaker 1>Fast Politics and Rick Wilson of Lincoln Square. Guys, great

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<v Speaker 1>to see both of you. Thanks, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>And Molly, you were just asking me a few months ago. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not nighttime in DC. This is just my set.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Always nighttime on the FASTA.

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<v Speaker 1>Show, but you know people watch this stuff at other

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<v Speaker 1>times of day, so it's you know, it's an evergreen set.

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<v Speaker 1>It works, it works, and apparently Natalie Harp works for

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. I don't know this is that's a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>segue and we're going to get into this. But the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, there we go. It's already lots of terking, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of twerking, which I still don't know what that is,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll get to that later. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is talking these days, I guess is Scott Besson. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's a segue, but uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he I don't even want to think about that visual,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, he came out today an unleashed economic

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<v Speaker 1>D Day on the Iranians, which, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>is just more threats, which thank goodness, that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>the original D Day was all about.

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<v Speaker 3>Rick.

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<v Speaker 1>If the original D Day had just been threats, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>all be speaking German right now, but we would.

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<v Speaker 4>And I gotta say I, I you know, I watched

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<v Speaker 4>this sort of performative chest thumping stuff that these guys

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<v Speaker 4>do all the time, and it just seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>less and less effective as time goes by. The Iranians

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<v Speaker 4>have been threatened with everything including nuclear weapons destroying their civilization,

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<v Speaker 4>and now they're like, oh sanctions, we well, that'll hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they just don't care anymore because they know

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<v Speaker 4>Trump will either taco or it won't matter, or or

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<v Speaker 4>they'll find other ways to get what they want, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, remember the day trump'as I'm going to impose terrible,

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<v Speaker 4>terrible sanctions in any country that's helping Iran will pay

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<v Speaker 4>a terrible price. Well, the two countries that are helping

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<v Speaker 4>Iran the most right now are Russia and China, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard nothing about it. Weirdly enough, Russia is not

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<v Speaker 4>going to pay any terrible price. Oddly enough, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know why. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Moley, they did the math and they figured out

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<v Speaker 1>that well, to punish those countries that help Iran, they

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<v Speaker 1>would have to punish the countries that Trump is the

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<v Speaker 1>closest with the dictator.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Korea, but Russia, China.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it shows what Trump is just there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>out of this dumb self inflicted injury. And it's like

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<v Speaker 2>this in higher administration is just self inflicted injury after

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<v Speaker 2>self inflicted injury after self inflicted injury. So here's another one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, anyone who had read a book knew that

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<v Speaker 2>if you went into Iran, a country of eighty million people,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have a very big, expensive problem. And it

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<v Speaker 2>would and it could even be as bad as them

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<v Speaker 2>closing the straits, which is exactly what they did, which

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<v Speaker 2>gave them proof of concept that they had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more power than a lot of us thought they did.

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<v Speaker 2>And now Trump is nowhere, right, he just want really

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<v Speaker 2>all he wants for the Straits to reopen. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even you know, nuclear dust, nuclear whatever. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>just wants out before the midterms. And you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>done so much of these like we're closed to peace talks,

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<v Speaker 2>things that the oil markets no longer react him, and

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<v Speaker 2>even honestly, when they did, it was still proof that

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<v Speaker 2>he was driving up the oil prices, which in itself

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<v Speaker 2>is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And then he also wants to have this trade

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<v Speaker 1>war with Canada, and I guess Trump put out a

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<v Speaker 1>truth social post today that said, well, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>on January first of twenty twenty seven, which you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this could all be costly, I suppose between

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<v Speaker 1>now and then from a trade perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Rick.

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<v Speaker 1>But also that's not really bringing D Day energy either.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Donald Trump going to war with Canada is embodied

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<v Speaker 4>by a quote I saw someone say the day the

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<v Speaker 4>guy who supposedly the master of negotiation blows a deal

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<v Speaker 4>with the nicest country on Earth. And Trump's weird obsession

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<v Speaker 4>with Canada comes down to one big thing, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is that Mark Carney is so intellectually superior to Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump in every dimension.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump knows him, he hates.

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<v Speaker 4>It, and he really has this sense that Canada owes

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<v Speaker 4>him something that somehow. You know, when JD Vance today

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<v Speaker 4>came out in Maine and said Canada could be invaded

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<v Speaker 4>by any neighboring country, I'm like, who are you talking about, JD.

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<v Speaker 3>What neighboring country would you be referring to?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just ask that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also another example of Trump doing stupid stuff

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<v Speaker 2>right before the midterms. Right, yes, Canada trades with Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>trades with Maine, trades.

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<v Speaker 3>With Alaska, Alaska, all.

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<v Speaker 2>States that now Donald Trumps that have senators up that

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<v Speaker 2>he needs Republicans to win in order to not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to put judges on the courts and

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<v Speaker 2>to do other things. And now he has once again

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<v Speaker 2>reminded everyone about these dumb tariffs which have made everything

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and speaking of dumb, the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy,

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<v Speaker 1>who spends a lot of time working on documentaries about

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<v Speaker 1>his family reality TV shows about his family. He insulted

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadians and said something really dumb, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we could play this. I don't want the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>trading with Canada.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a country that doesn't have a military. It has

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<v Speaker 5>a country that has a single pair of healthcare system

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<v Speaker 5>that's failing. They have record high youth in Asia rates,

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<v Speaker 5>and so to think that they're going to go to

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<v Speaker 5>war with Donald Trump and actually win that war with

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<v Speaker 5>the US, I think it's foolish on their part. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>the president's calling them out. I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>see Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada is just a maple infused hellscape up there, and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a military. Apparently, you ask any you.

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<v Speaker 4>Ask any American Marine, or any American Special operator, or

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<v Speaker 4>most American Army units that served in Afghanistan in particular,

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<v Speaker 4>if the Canadians have a military.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they were right.

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<v Speaker 4>Shoulder to shoulder with us in the worst possible fights

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<v Speaker 4>during the long period of time we were in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 4>They were absolutely some of the most courageous troops in

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<v Speaker 4>in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The Canadians have been staunch

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<v Speaker 4>allies of ours. It's a deep insult. But Sean Duffy

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<v Speaker 4>is a reality TV moron, much like Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>a reality TV moron. And the malice that he's feeding

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<v Speaker 4>the Fox News audience. It's like, the only fight they

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<v Speaker 4>think they can win, We're gonna take on Canada because

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<v Speaker 4>they've lost with Iran. They're on the wrong side of

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<v Speaker 4>the war in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>Europe treats Trump now as a joke and a footnote.

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<v Speaker 4>The rest of the world is laughing at us as

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<v Speaker 4>we dismantle our military in this insane waste of weapons

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<v Speaker 4>in the Iran war. And so they're one boogieyman now

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<v Speaker 4>is Canada. What are they gonna do next, bring up

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<v Speaker 4>freedom fries or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even understand how this works from a

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<v Speaker 1>culture war perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Molly, Well, look, if you're in a war that was

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<v Speaker 2>a South Park episode, you may be in a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of trouble, right. It's like, this is so clearly

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<v Speaker 2>and last time they tried to go to war with

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico and they tried to go to war with the cartels.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's two things. Right. It's a distraction from

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<v Speaker 2>the other distractions, which is a distraction from a distraction,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like right, the war in Iran was a

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<v Speaker 2>distraction from the Epstein files was a distraction. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Natalie Harp story is a distraction maybe from the

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<v Speaker 2>higher prices. I mean, who even knows? The problem is?

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<v Speaker 2>Like Trump is so focused on I mean in a

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<v Speaker 2>weird way. He's really just focused on his decorating projects

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington, d C. I don't think he's very focused

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<v Speaker 2>on anything else at this point. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>is this sense in which the administration is constantly trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep balls in the air to distract from other

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<v Speaker 2>balls in the air. It's exhausting, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's working.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and I'd hate to use that as a

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<v Speaker 1>segue to Natalie are but but yes, there are balls

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. That's very true these days and over.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm sorry, literally, Rick Wilson is here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am on my worst behavior. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. But I can always make the room less professional.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a shirt now that says go ahead, call hr.

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<v Speaker 1>No. But you know the thing, this this Natalie Harp thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't really had a chance to talk with you

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<v Speaker 1>guys about this. It is kind of like a dumb

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<v Speaker 1>distraction in a way, in that I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>we're spending time talking about Natalie Harp. She is. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a failed an anchor who used to peddle January sixth

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories and now she's I guess, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not really a heartbeat away from the presidency, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's she's like a big mac bag away

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<v Speaker 1>from the presidency. I don't know what it is, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but Rick, you know, there she is at

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Prix in DC every the weekend. She's talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Eric Trump. The camera's picked up on.

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<v Speaker 3>That I'm your new mommy now Eric, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric's asking for tips on getting his dad to like

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<v Speaker 1>him better. And then there's this other image of when

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<v Speaker 1>Malania is sitting there next to Trump. She gets up

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<v Speaker 1>in a hurry as soon as Natalie Harp arrives on this.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole thing is so weird. I know we're probably

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<v Speaker 1>reading into this way too much, but it's just weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been weird, it's still weird. It's going to be weird.

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<v Speaker 1>For a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Donald Trump, notoriously throughout his life has not been

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<v Speaker 4>the strictest adherent to his marriage vows. But now this

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<v Speaker 4>story is being brought out into the light, not just

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<v Speaker 4>because he has.

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<v Speaker 3>Some unusual relationship with Natalie Harp.

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<v Speaker 4>What it is None of us have been in the

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<v Speaker 4>room with them, but we can all see enough of

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<v Speaker 4>the display of what's going on to understand this isn't normal.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't making the other professionals in the White House

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<v Speaker 4>feel like things are under control. And honestly, Jim and Molly,

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<v Speaker 3>This is a war being.

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<v Speaker 4>Waged by people inside the White House, Susie Wiles and

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<v Speaker 1>Almost yeah, yeah, Mollie, what I mean, what have you

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<v Speaker 2>Thrice married adulterer who has had to pay off numerous

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, Look, if this were Barack Obama and

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean even if he had, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>I just wonder why Donald Trump gets the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the security clearance stuff, where she did not have a

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<v Speaker 2>security did not want a security clearance. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>look like that this is a really good example of that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, and I think particular I'm sorry, there's a particular

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<v Speaker 4>clearance that White House staffers who work in immediate physical

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<v Speaker 4>the usual secret, top secret sci clearances it used to

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<v Speaker 4>given a background check. And Natalie Harpon didn't get one,

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, do I think Natalie harp is a

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<v Speaker 4>secret to Ronnie Assassin. No, But but the weirdness of

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<v Speaker 4>it just keeps piling up and up and up and up,

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<v Speaker 4>and the White House is reacting and mah, you've talked

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<v Speaker 4>a lot about this. The White House reacted so badly

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<v Speaker 4>that it keeps the story going. It's going for this

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<v Speaker 4>is a second week of this now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the reaction was stry saying effect all over it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just the Stephen Sung being like, how dare

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<v Speaker 2>John ass up imply anything. And look, had they just

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<v Speaker 2>also think had she just laid low, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>gone away. But neither thing that's happened, right. They was everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>She's everywhere, and I mean, I guess they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>into them it doesn't matter what the optics are. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you think about it, if you are cruising into

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<v Speaker 2>doing certain things that Donald Trump is not doing at all, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so right in the way that they try to

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<v Speaker 1>suppress the story and yell at the press for talking

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<v Speaker 1>Assa for just bringing it up. You know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like putting a giant red bullseye over the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, I guess over the week. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they did was they yelled at the press

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<v Speaker 1>pool for getting video of the presidential suite. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the Grand Prix race, I don't know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a little video of that. But they were just like

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<v Speaker 1>told over and over again, guys, you know, no cameras

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<v Speaker 1>on the presidential suite and they the press complied and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they were yelling at them to

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<v Speaker 1>get the cameras off the president. I don't But also.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're an administration that's running in a midterm and

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<v Speaker 2>you made gas more expensive, like about a dollar more expensive,

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>You have him driving the beast you have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's focus on car racing because cars don't run on gas. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you've made more expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we're at the entertaining grandpa stage of the presidency

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<v Speaker 1>right now. They're just as we're at. Yeah. But and

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<v Speaker 1>today apparently he's he's taking kids on a tour of

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<v Speaker 1>the helipad again, like he's just into like, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this cool shit I got.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, look, I think I'm Alway's point at

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<v Speaker 4>the about you know, putting on a car race in

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<v Speaker 4>the time of a national gas crisis. We're not patrolling

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<v Speaker 4>reserves are at their very you know, very bottom. Tone

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<v Speaker 4>deafness is a part of Trump, It's a feature of Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the tone deafness has gotten especially given

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<v Speaker 4>the midterms, as Molly just mentioned given the midterms, we

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<v Speaker 4>are increasingly watching even Trump's supporters roll their eyes and go, okay, stop,

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<v Speaker 4>please just stop talking. It hurts the ball team, hurts

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<v Speaker 4>the ball club. You know the famous line from Bull Durham.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't think it hurts the ball club, right. They want

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<v Speaker 4>him to shut up, they want him to go away,

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<v Speaker 4>they want him to be quiet. They need a few

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<v Speaker 4>uninterrupted days of being able to message what they're trying

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<v Speaker 4>to message. And every Republican candidate running for Congress now out.

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<v Speaker 4>They're empty town halls. They don't do public events. They

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<v Speaker 4>run like a scolded dog away from from the White

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<v Speaker 4>House or surrogates. I mean Susan Collins today, I think

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<v Speaker 4>is in somewhere like in Mongolia, rather than to be

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<v Speaker 4>in Maine while jd.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance is campaigning for her in May.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>It is really remarkable to me the candidates now know

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<v Speaker 4>how bad he is for them. They get it now,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and Molly, there's a New York Times story

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<v Speaker 1>that's talk talking about Alaska being in play, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Iowa be in play, all of these states that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like in Alaska. They've got Dan Sullivan running

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<v Speaker 1>against Dan Sullivan against I don't that's like the Spider

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of people in Alaska named Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Sullivan apparently actually a very common name. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>some method to this madness. But there is a liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Sullivan who is running as a sort of spoiler candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he's not, but he really is. There's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Mary Petola. There's this other Dan Sullivan who has

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<v Speaker 2>the sendency. But here's what I would say about Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're watching Alaska, you just saw a nonpartisan primary

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<v Speaker 2>where Mary Petola won by four points or something. So

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're the Republican senator, if you're the incumbent

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<v Speaker 2>your and your name is Dan Sullivan, which it is,

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<v Speaker 2>you're feeling a little bit nervous. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental problem with trump Ism, which has always been true,

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<v Speaker 2>even in twenty eighteen, though in twenty eighteen he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>pulling under forty percent. Now he's pulling under forty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fundamental problem with trump Ism has always been

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<v Speaker 2>if you want maga voters, you alienate the middle and

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<v Speaker 2>it works if you can get the low frequency voters

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<v Speaker 2>out there. But since Trump is not on the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump is unpopular, and there's been a big split

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<v Speaker 2>in MAGA with the Tucker and Megan crew saying like

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<v Speaker 2>no more or foreign wars, I'm not sure you have

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<v Speaker 2>you can get.

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<v Speaker 1>That coalition back, right And Rick, I mean, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>USA today was reporting and I think they were just

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<v Speaker 1>picking up on a recent poll that found that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is underwater in forty seven states, including the disc well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, as well as the district of Columbia. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that means like West Virginia, Idaho, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Wyoming and Wyoming of course Wyoming. Yes, that those are

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<v Speaker 1>the only places where he's above fifty percent. Look, he's eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Points underwater in Florida, He's fourteen points underwater in Alabama. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is this is a world that we've

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<v Speaker 4>never been in before. As as Molly said, in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>he was Trump was still net positive on his approval nationally.

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<v Speaker 4>He was net positive by I think about almost twenty

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<v Speaker 4>points on the economy in twenty eighteen. Still, and now

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is net negative almost everywhere he is.

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<v Speaker 3>He is on the issues that Matt.

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<v Speaker 4>You asked voters what they care about most prices and inflation,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's the lowest underwater on prices and inflation by

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<v Speaker 4>almost fifty points underwater in most surveys. This is a

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<v Speaker 4>But with Republicans having basically glued themselves to Trump and

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<v Speaker 4>in every policy, you know, they can't come out against

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<v Speaker 4>the tariffs, even though the tariffs are causing a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of this, because Trump will be mad. They can't come

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<v Speaker 4>out against the war because Trump will be mad right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's this is why if you're playing with that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hand as the Democrats, and I don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying this to get Ricked to pop off here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying it to get Rick to pop off here.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're Hakeem Jeffries, why do you meet with Jared Kushner.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the most confounding thing of the weekend. They're

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<v Speaker 1>playing with House money right now, Republicans, it's tough all over.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand if you're the House minority leader, why

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing anything other than Okay, which guy are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to impeach? First? Like that would be well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I have gained this out a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of we have different theories. You go first with your theory.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have another theory.

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<v Speaker 4>I've come to be closer to your theory that you

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<v Speaker 4>had yesterday when we and I were talking, that that

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<v Speaker 4>both of them. I had a tumor theory for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>I think yours is more accurate. I really thought about

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<v Speaker 4>it last night. But Jim, the fundamental problem here is

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<v Speaker 4>no matter who set up this dream date, jakeem Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 4>should have absolutely never walked into that room. There is

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<v Speaker 4>no world in which Jared Kushner is A is A

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<v Speaker 4>What they wanted was to go into him and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you guys, maybe back down those crazy guys

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about impeaching Trump and we can do

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<v Speaker 4>some bipartisan deals together. And no matter what Jeffries thinks

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<v Speaker 4>he got in that room, you never have a deal

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<v Speaker 4>with Trump. He can change it in the last possible minute,

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<v Speaker 4>and he always does. This was foolish at a level.

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<v Speaker 4>If a Keem's staff leaked the story.

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<v Speaker 3>They should be fired.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if a Keem Steph let him go to this thing,

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<v Speaker 4>they should be fired.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost wonder if Jared people just make mischief, you know, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were even just to elevate Jared j Remember Jared has

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<v Speaker 2>no elected position. He's serving at the present at the

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure of his father in law. He's making money at

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<v Speaker 2>every which way. So for him, the more elevated he seems,

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<v Speaker 2>the more. And remember so much of this Trump why

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<v Speaker 2>has about labbying. It's about getting out of the admin

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<v Speaker 2>or being out of the admin and making money in

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<v Speaker 2>every which way. So if you're Jared Kushner, you want

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<v Speaker 2>people to think that you're gonna have influence in the

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<v Speaker 2>next administration and in the next you know phase, and

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<v Speaker 2>that may be a phase of his his father and

435
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<v Speaker 2>getting impeached again and again and again. But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you this will I think ultimately hurt Jeffries because you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to if Democrats flip the House, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have this big vote and we're going to see I

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<v Speaker 2>think Jeffrey's going to be in a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Molly, I could not agree more. I think he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, the idea that that Jared was

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<v Speaker 4>doing this to set up lobbying business is really smart

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<v Speaker 4>because now I can go to this audience and go, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're good with this, We're good with the speaker.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep keep giving me money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but but there's no world this helps hocking Jeffries

447
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<v Speaker 4>or Democratic candidates. The Democratic base wants. What Trump always

448
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<v Speaker 4>promised is retribution for the harm he's caused with the war,

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<v Speaker 4>for the harmony's cause, with with the tariffs, for the

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<v Speaker 4>harmony's cost to our farmers, for the harmony's cost to

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<v Speaker 4>people in the streets, Americans getting killed in the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>People are angry.

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<v Speaker 4>They want accountability and and and playing foot seat with

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<v Speaker 4>Jared Kushner is not the way to start that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no scenario in which this makes sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>to me, you know, right now, the base of the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party they want a flamethrower. They don't want a

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<v Speaker 1>time machine back to the days of Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 1>Merrick Carlan, where it's like, well maybe, well just let's

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<v Speaker 1>see how this works out. Maybe if we don't cool.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way this makes sense is if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>high level donor who gives a lot of money to

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats and gives money to Trump or you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are a bunch in that Vanda and they say

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<v Speaker 2>to Keem, you want to keep the donations from us,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have to go and meet with Jared, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jared has every reason to do it. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and they meet and you know it's to

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<v Speaker 2>do something like that or the appearance of that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the only world in which any of this makes sense,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise Keem is there's just in my mind, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the only way this makes sense. And ultimately I

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<v Speaker 2>think a Keem ends up punished for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if it's enough where he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>become the Speaker of the House, but he may get

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<v Speaker 1>himself a challenge. Now, which if you know, if the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>if and when the Democrats take over, that's not good

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<v Speaker 1>for starting things off. You know, if and when we

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<v Speaker 1>have actual elections in the fall, you know, if that

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<v Speaker 1>goes through, but that, how does that help?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely getting a challenger.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'd put easy money on that for Rocanna, something

484
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<v Speaker 4>like that time to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on market exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also just not there's the incentive structure is such,

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<v Speaker 2>especially where the bases right now, that that person will

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<v Speaker 2>be rewarded and it will elevate them even if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't win. So it just it's in my mind. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Rick, who you think it might be, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I look through the comments on the YouTube

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<v Speaker 4>video I did about this this morning, and the name

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<v Speaker 4>that came up more often than anybody else was Jamie Raskin.

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<v Speaker 4>Because he's a frontline fighter. He goes out and gets

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<v Speaker 4>mixes it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to see rask.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's not a backslapping fundraising machine like hakem Is.

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<v Speaker 4>And while you want that, or you traditionally have wanted that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I what I what I think people

501
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<v Speaker 4>would want more than anything else, is a time machining.

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<v Speaker 4>But snatch Nancy Pelosi from twenty five years ago and

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<v Speaker 4>bring her.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to rayin Havoc.

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<v Speaker 4>Even twenty sure, even twenty we're ten ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when she went toe to toe with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>over at the White House and got him to accept

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for one of those government shutdowns. I mean, she

509
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<v Speaker 1>put walking down, put the glasses on, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going back to those days. I must go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you'll see. I mean they're Hakeem has the CBC

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<v Speaker 2>behind him, and that's a very powerful caucus film people

513
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<v Speaker 2>who are really who know what they're doing. But I

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<v Speaker 2>still think there'll be someone there'll be a challenger. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it'll be someone like Uh. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be Asking because I think he's older and has

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<v Speaker 2>sort of respect for the work it's going to need

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<v Speaker 2>to be. If somebody does it, it will be someone young

519
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<v Speaker 2>who's like an upstart. But I definitely could see it happening.

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<v Speaker 4>He needs, Hakim needs to show between now an election

521
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<v Speaker 4>day a much higher level of aggression against the Trump

522
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<v Speaker 4>administration than he has so far. That will help him

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<v Speaker 4>avoid a speaker fight and it will set the tone

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<v Speaker 4>in the predicate for January of next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, guys, I'm gonna wave the checkered flag on

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation. But good to see both of you. Really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate Broom as always, my friend. Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>having guys take care guys. See, Yeah, thanks so much,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and we have to, you know, keep the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation going. I think on Natalie Harp, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>as Molly and Rick were saying a few moments ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have think after the week they had last

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<v Speaker 1>week that maybe they would have said, hey, Natalie, maybe

534
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<v Speaker 1>you should have the weekend off that did not take place.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know our friend Tara palm Mary she's been

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on this too.

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<v Speaker 3>There.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the host of The Red Letter and the

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<v Speaker 1>Tara Palmery Show. Tara, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>Jim.

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<v Speaker 7>It's great to see you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Always always great to see you. Great to be in touch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been far too long, and it looks great. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to do that. You've got to and yours has

546
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<v Speaker 1>got a red theme going there. I like it.

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<v Speaker 7>It is, it is the Red Letter.

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<v Speaker 6>This is actually where I work, so it's both a

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<v Speaker 6>set and my actual desk where I do reporting.

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<v Speaker 7>But I figured i'd give it a shout out. Why

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<v Speaker 7>not terrific?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it looks great, and I mean it's just a

553
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<v Speaker 1>sign of independent media. It's rising on all fronts here.

554
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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you've got the red curtains there that

555
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<v Speaker 1>Trump had the green flag over the weekend and we saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even in that shot. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we can show that again, but even in that shot,

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<v Speaker 1>you see Milania and you see Natalie Harp. I mean it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so weird that Natalie Harp was everywhere over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, despite the fact that you know, she has

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<v Speaker 1>been so controversial. I mean, there she is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>behind Milania at the very start of this race or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and where I didn't go to it. No, I was

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<v Speaker 1>out of town. I didn't want it. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with all the hassle of all that traffic

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<v Speaker 1>going down. Did you go to it? No?

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>But my reporter Abby Baker, she was going to go,

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<v Speaker 6>and she just told me that it was completely debt

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<v Speaker 6>that like no one showed up.

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<v Speaker 7>It was kind of a pity wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Really having all this money for freedom two fifty in

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<v Speaker 6>America to fifty these you know, semi quincentennial events and

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<v Speaker 6>again like the Great American State Fair, they're empty. I

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<v Speaker 6>just think that's fascinating, Like what a waste of money.

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<v Speaker 1>A massive waste of money. And you know what the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is is that they made this all about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think if people saw in the I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I because I thought it was cool that there

580
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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a car race in DC, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought for Oh, maybe maybe I'll go down and

582
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<v Speaker 1>grab a beer and check it out. That might be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they said, oh, he's going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>lap in the Beast, or he's going to buzz the

585
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<v Speaker 1>race and Air Force one and all this in the Katari,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, nobody wants to do Anybody from the

587
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<v Speaker 1>DMV doesn't want to do that. They just's they don't

588
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<v Speaker 1>like thinking about him as it is. So you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend your weekend celebrating No, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And if it's a tourist event too, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 6>would want to get as many people as possible. You

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't want to just bring out Republicans like you'd want

593
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<v Speaker 6>to bring out Democrats as well.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, it's interesting to say the least.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I know you've been doing some reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on the Natalie Harp thing, and you talk to Mark Caputo,

598
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<v Speaker 1>who's a really good reporter over at Axios covers a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this stuff, and you've been getting into why

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these aids are heading for the exits,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Caroline Levitt And I guess Trump's what Legislative

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<v Speaker 1>Affairs director.

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<v Speaker 7>He's gone Warrington, he's the Council.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the council.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but there was a legislative affairs guy who's also

606
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<v Speaker 6>leaving as well. It's fifty percent of the people on

607
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<v Speaker 6>his top team have left in the first year. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>that's not like the that's not like the first term

609
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<v Speaker 6>first year, which was ninety two percent according to Brookings.

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<v Speaker 7>So you could say.

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<v Speaker 6>He's doing a little bit better. But yeah, that's my

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<v Speaker 6>latest piece in the Red Letter. Everybody go check it out.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was interesting to think about it. So everyone's

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<v Speaker 6>heading for the exits right now. They clearly think that

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<v Speaker 6>it's not They're not gonna get much done in the

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<v Speaker 6>next term. It's still time to cash out, as one

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<v Speaker 6>does in Washington, DC, unfortunately. But Mark is always so

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<v Speaker 6>interesting his perspective. He had a funny, funny nickname that

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<v Speaker 6>so everyone calls Natalie Harp the human printer because she

620
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<v Speaker 6>carries around a printer for Trump and she's constantly printing

621
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<v Speaker 6>out these right, these tweets, these articles that make him

622
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<v Speaker 6>feel good, right, that put him in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 6>They're positive reinforcement. And I actually wrote about this back

624
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<v Speaker 6>at Politico in twenty seventeen that they were doing this

625
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<v Speaker 6>because they were trying to use pause reinforcement to get yes.

626
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<v Speaker 6>Well it's still happening now, but they've given up on

627
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<v Speaker 6>trying to stop him from tweeting. But she's the one

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<v Speaker 6>who does it, so she's like the emotional support animal staffer,

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<v Speaker 6>et cetera. But Trump actually has a nickname for her,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's not the human printer. It's my conveyor belt.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, my conveyor belt.

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<v Speaker 7>That's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 6>And apparently, according to Mark, it's because she gives him

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<v Speaker 6>everything he needs. What does that mean? I know, very weird.

635
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 6>So he has his own nickname for her. Obviously, this

636
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 6>relationship is that bizarre that no one can witness it

637
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 6>without coming up with some bizarre equip about her and

638
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 6>how she exists as a human being, which is kind

639
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 6>of sad. And it just seems like everything inside of

640
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 6>the White House is just.

641
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 7>Weird right now.

642
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he was telling me, while we see that

643
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 6>Americans are suffering right because it's so expensive. Inflation is up,

644
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 6>there's cost of gas is insane, We've got a war

645
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 6>rawn and there's just a feeling like that we're unsure

646
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 6>of what's going on in the country. I mean, his

647
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 6>whull numbers are sliding. It's it's he's in the thirties

648
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 6>right now, brutal. And he just brings a bunch of

649
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 6>reporters out onto the White House lawn like completely unprompted

650
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 6>to show them the grass, to show them his new grass.

651
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like so strange, it's very weird.

652
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 6>And then he shows up the ballroom, he shows them

653
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 6>all the things he's working on. So he's clearly just

654
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 6>thinking about his legacy and he's, you know, a real

655
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 6>estate developer. What can he leave behind? And it just

656
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.960
<v Speaker 6>shows you how checked out he is. And according to Mark,

657
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 6>Mark has told me this for months and which I

658
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to believe him, but now I am actually

659
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 6>starting to believe him.

660
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 7>Is that he's just having a great time.

661
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 6>He's having a ball Trump And maybe he is having

662
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 6>a ball because every time he has a sniff that

663
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 6>things are not going well, his team of yes men, no,

664
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 6>none of them are telling him the truth. And then

665
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.039
<v Speaker 6>Natalie's there printing off a tweet an X could just

666
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 6>be a random commenter making him feel soothed, right.

667
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what she does. She her function, it seems to me,

668
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>is that she kind of keeps him in his bubble.

669
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>She's the one who keeps him insulated from the real world.

670
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>She's the one who feeds him the steady stream of

671
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, positive tweets or this person said something nice

672
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>about you, or look at this article over here about

673
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the fountain is working again at such and

674
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 1>such park. And I think that's that's her use to him,

675
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why she he does refer to

676
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>her as the human conveyor belt, because you know, she

677
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>she'll tender you know, she'll tend to his every need.

678
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 1>And I just find it to be the strangest thing.

679
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. And Terry, you were there during the

680
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>first term too. There were people like Hoe Picks and

681
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Michael Cohen. To some extent, there were aids like Johnny

682
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>mcintee and that sort of thing, and Dan Scavino. But

683
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.079
<v Speaker 1>she really is kind of like the emotional what you said,

684
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>emotional supporting. That's there wasn't anybody like that. She's like

685
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the super fan cult follower who will always make him

686
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 1>feel good. Yeah, so strange.

687
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 7>It is weird. I mean, this is to another level.

688
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.840
<v Speaker 6>He's always had these women that work for him, that

689
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 6>are always around, like yeah, that he's like I wrote

690
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 6>this actually back at Politico in twenty seventeen. It was like,

691
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 6>get me Rona, and Rona grab this woman that worked

692
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 6>for him for many, many years.

693
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 7>And I remember when I was.

694
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 6>A young reporter at the New York Post almost twenty

695
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 6>years ago, I used to try to get to Trump

696
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 6>through Rona. I'd call her and he would she would

697
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.440
<v Speaker 6>patch him in and like she was seemed to be

698
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 6>around twenty four hours a day because he always wanted

699
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 6>to talk to the press about anything.

700
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 7>We called him a rental quote.

701
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, he he has always had sort of like

702
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 6>a doting female aid around him at all times, and

703
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 6>she was sort of like institutional level. I remember John

704
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 6>Katzimatini told me if I wanted to get something in

705
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 6>Trump's ear, I went through Rona, And I think that's

706
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 6>how it is now with Natalie. If you want to

707
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 6>get something in Trump's ear, got to go through Natalie. Now,

708
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 6>what is a little concerning about Natalie is that Natalie

709
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 6>apparently did not have security clearance for a full year.

710
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>That's insane to me, that's.

711
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 6>So crazydent, And she didn't even get basic security clearance.

712
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 6>Not to mention she worked at the one America News Network,

713
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 6>which is right, very pro Kremlin, it is.

714
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And also very pro insurrection and pro you know, election

715
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>denialism and so on. And I was wondering, you know this,

716
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's going to be reported out by somebody

717
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 1>over the coming days, But you know, what was it

718
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that you know, Natalie Hart was concerned about in terms

719
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of not getting the security clearance? What was going on?

720
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Were they concerned that they would talk to her family

721
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 1>because apparently that there's a brother, her brother has been

722
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 1>saying that there's something wrong with her. Yeah, And you know,

723
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just seems to me that you

724
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>don't get a security clearance or you try to avoid

725
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 1>getting a security clearance when there's going to be a

726
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.679
<v Speaker 1>problem with your security clearance. I have known, and you've

727
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>probably known people in Trump's orbit over the years who

728
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't go work in the White House during the first

729
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 1>or the second administration because they probably couldn't pass a

730
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>security clearance check. And so that's that's why they.

731
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 6>For ten of them being escorted off the White House

732
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 6>grounds year one.

733
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And so that's that's been my thought on

734
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>all of this, is that maybe there's something going on

735
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>with that I don't know.

736
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 7>Well now it just seems like there are no rules

737
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 7>at all.

738
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, no, it's true. And the other thing

739
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to and I don't love talking

740
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 1>about him anymore because I don't want to give oxygen

741
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>to people who I just I guess I've realized they're

742
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 1>just grifters and the just who they are. Michael Cohen

743
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and I was talking to Steve Schmidt about this over

744
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the weekend or on Friday, and he was like, you

745
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>have to talk to Terra Poal, Mary, you have to

746
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 1>talk terror Pom. Mary. She did a great job on

747
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Michael Cohen and I guess you did a story the

748
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 1>other day Michael asked me for President Trump's phone number.

749
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>This is in June of last year, which, by the way,

750
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 1>was was around the time I was still having him

751
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 1>on the show from my show time to time, and

752
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I stopped having him on when we started to talking

753
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 1>about Epstein and he wouldn't give me a straight answer

754
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 1>on Epstein, and I was like, I can't have this guy.

755
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 1>What is this ship and so? And I know you

756
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of interrogated him on this, but tell us about

757
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on how this thing is turned back around again.

758
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I described Sieve Schmid as selling your soul to somebody,

759
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 1>starting to get pieces of it back, and then selling

760
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>them those pieces back to the same person.

761
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 6>Again, I've never seen that doing a lot of recycling.

762
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 6>I don't know what we're going right now. So yeah,

763
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 6>Michael Cohen called me in June of twenty twenty five,

764
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 6>that was fourteen months ago, and this was before Pamboni

765
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.599
<v Speaker 6>said case clothes on the Epstein Files. And he said

766
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 6>to me, Tara, I know you have Trump's number because

767
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 6>I had just done I just called him on my

768
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 6>show and he's angry or something and he'said, can you

769
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.920
<v Speaker 6>give me his number? And I was like, you know,

770
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 6>at this point, it was like everybody had number. And

771
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 6>I was like, all right, you can have. What am

772
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 6>I going to say? And so I was like fine?

773
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 6>And he said to me, Tarror, and I was like, why,

774
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 6>Like what do you think?

775
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 7>Why do you want to talk to him?

776
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 6>Like you've made your entire career in the past eight

777
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 6>years basically you as.

778
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>His crashing, crashing him.

779
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.320
<v Speaker 6>He's like number one en, I mean really yeah, and

780
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 6>sold multiple books, substacks, podcast, all of it's a He's

781
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 6>a Trump trashing machine.

782
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's what he is.

783
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 1>And I I thought he had a genuine change of heart.

784
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>And I will tell you what a sucker I was.

785
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>What a fool I was to believe that, and I

786
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>should have and I feel awful about it.

787
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 6>I feel My mom said to me one time when

788
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 6>she saw me on his show, she goes, Tara, she

789
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 6>wouldn't be on his show, and I said, yeah, you

790
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.239
<v Speaker 6>know what, You're probably right, mom, And this was like

791
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 6>a few months earlier, and she's like, I don't know,

792
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 6>I don't trust that guy. And you brought ladies from

793
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 6>Jersey and so I always I held onto that. But

794
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 6>then you know, I gave him the number and he

795
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Speaker 6>said to me, he said to me, he said, I

796
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 6>think I can get back with him. He said, really, Michael,

797
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 6>he really think so after all that, and he goes, yeah,

798
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 6>I just know what to say to him. I know

799
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 6>him better than anyone else. And it was about a pardon.

800
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he trashed Biden for not giving up pardon.

801
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 6>He said when he gave Hunter a pardon and he

802
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 6>didn't get one, I'm someone's son too, And so I

803
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.960
<v Speaker 6>gave him the number. And I didn't really think much

804
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 6>about it until I saw him on MS NOW because

805
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 6>I didn't think. I thought maybe Michael tries Trump does

806
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 6>an answer whatever. Yeah, I see him now two months

807
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 6>later and he's talking about Epstein and he's saying, if

808
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.159
<v Speaker 6>Trump says he wasn't on the plane, he wasn't on

809
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 6>the plane.

810
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 7>I know Trump. He says it three or four times,

811
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 7>he wasn't on the plane.

812
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, wait a minute, something feels different here,

813
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 6>and the host thought yeah. The host didn't push back,

814
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 6>and like, I have been following this story at Epstein forever.

815
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 6>And I knew that Michael Cohen was around during Katie

816
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 6>Johnson case that came across his desk because he was

817
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 6>the fixer. He handled Karen McDougall, he handled Stormy Daniels.

818
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 6>When a woman says that she was raped by President

819
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 6>Trump claims it in a court filing right before that date,

820
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 6>right before the twenty sixteen election, that is something that

821
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 6>Michael Cohen handles. So I texted Michael, I says, you know,

822
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 6>I saw you, I saw you in MS AT Now.

823
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 6>I want to come on the show, and he goes, yeah,

824
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 6>and he sends me the link to the clip.

825
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 7>He's like proud of it.

826
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 6>So he's clearly thinking that he can use my platform

827
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 6>to launder President Trump's name. On Epstein comes on the

828
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 6>show and next thing you know, he's admitting that he

829
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 6>handled an infant Jane Doe for Trump sent a he

830
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 6>sent a private investigator to the Bronx to find the

831
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 6>Jane Doe. I mean, the whole point of being a

832
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 6>Jane Doe is to be anonymous. And he said he

833
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 6>believed Trump because Trump said he was bullshit and to

834
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 6>handle it.

835
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 7>And I was just in shock.

836
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 6>And so this story inside Trump's his you know, the

837
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 6>story he tried to shut down.

838
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 7>It sits on my YouTube page.

839
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 6>It's the actually it's the story I feature because I

840
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 6>really think it's important to understanding how this all went down. Obviously,

841
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 6>Trump denies all of it, yea, and Michael Cohen says

842
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.280
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't the Katie Johnson case. But I have been

843
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.480
<v Speaker 6>searching and I haven't found any other case that's similar

844
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 6>to it or like it, or that has been on

845
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 6>the docket. Because he claimed that this case that the

846
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 6>other one with the infant Jane Doe was also on

847
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 6>the dock.

848
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 7>It sounds very similar.

849
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 6>So point I think he was already reconciling with Trump

850
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 6>at that moment. According to the Times, he had gone

851
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 6>to Bedminster and visited Trump in July, so like right

852
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 6>before I interviewed him in August, he had seen Trump

853
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 6>in July and they had reconciled. And you have to think, wow,

854
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 6>if we wanted to go back and listen to all

855
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 6>of you know, Michael's podcasts starting from July onward, was.

856
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>He just he starts with change.

857
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.800
<v Speaker 6>He was, He's becoming Trump's fixer again, to the point

858
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 6>where when you heard them on the show together, he said, hey, boss,

859
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 6>I heard that.

860
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 1>When I heard that, I almost wanted to like take

861
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 1>my laptop and just smash it. I picked my phone

862
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and throw it across room. I was like, you got

863
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.679
<v Speaker 1>to be fucking kidding me. And then I just thought

864
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 1>to myself, well, you know, it's sort of like when

865
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 1>you go to Times Square back in the nineties or

866
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>something and you get and somebody you know, says you

867
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 1>want to play three card Monty, and you stand there

868
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>and you do three card MONTI and you don't and

869
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy takes five bucks from you, and you realize, Okay,

870
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I just got scammed. Now I have to learn from

871
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>this and never let myself get scammed again. But that's

872
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>how I felt after that whole thing, and the thing

873
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 1>and correct me if I'm wrong, if I have my

874
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>facts wrong on this, and then God, please God, let's

875
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 1>move on to something else. He was starting to say.

876
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>And what made it sound completely incredulous to me was

877
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I never heard Jeffrey Epstein come up. He was trying

878
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to make that kind of case that it just didn't

879
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>really come up when he was working for Donald That

880
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>was he trying to pass that line of bs to

881
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you two, because I was sort of that and I'm like,

882
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 1>how is that possible?

883
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 6>Well, no, obviously he didn't say that to me, because

884
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 6>he admitted that he handled the Jeffrey Epstein kate really okay.

885
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 7>But he then went on to it keeps saying that.

886
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:01.119
<v Speaker 7>But here's the thing.

887
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 6>There is actually an FBI document in the Epstein files

888
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 6>in which Cohen asks to lighten his sentence in exchange

889
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 6>for information on Jeffrey Epstein that he learned from Donald Trump.

890
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah do you believe that? Yeah?

891
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 6>And you know what that Bed said will pass because

892
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 6>we don't trust him.

893
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I know, and and and I feel like

894
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 1>foolish just even talking about it and talking about him

895
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.679
<v Speaker 1>because it's just exactly what he wants, and he'll probably

896
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>go and watch this be like, did Tara Jim talk

897
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:34.559
<v Speaker 1>about me? Would they say? Let me listen? And then

898
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll send a text later and say I can't believe

899
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you said that. Why won't you You should let me

900
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>come on and talk about it. And then it's like, no,

901
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do any of that.

902
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.679
<v Speaker 7>Ship well you always. He keeps texting me that I

903
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 7>need to apologize to him.

904
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 6>But the last I got to tell you the last

905
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 6>text message from Michael because it's actually really hilarious.

906
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 7>Oh god, let me do it really quick.

907
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 1>I hope this doesn't I hope he doesn't text me

908
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.639
<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about this.

909
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 7>It's just really funny. No, it's really funny. Let me

910
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 7>read it.

911
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.880
<v Speaker 6>Please never call me again until you apologize for the

912
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:10.639
<v Speaker 6>lies you spread about me. Trump and Epstein with appreciation period.

913
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, all right, well I tell you.

914
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 7>Alan's spreading lies about Epstein. I didn't realize that.

915
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>How could you Epstein like that? Tara?

916
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.199
<v Speaker 7>He's Doin's fixer. I mean, christ, I don't know.

917
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I know it's so bad, but it does say something

918
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>about just to circle back to the Natalie Harp thing.

919
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>It does.

920
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 1>It does say something about Trump and who he is

921
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and how he somehow lets these people into his life

922
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>who can kind of play him.

923
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 6>And I don't think this is a playing thing. I

924
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 6>think Trump sees the value of keeping Michael Cohen close.

925
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>A interesting You can throw out.

926
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 7>That hush money payment case.

927
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 6>If Cohen says that's on appeal, If Cohen says he's

928
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 6>being coerced, that's very value Trump right, he was the

929
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 6>fixer around the Epstein Stone, very valuable.

930
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 1>And better to have him on the inside pissing out

931
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the outside pissing and.

932
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 6>Exactly, and Michael definitely has a few chips he's holding onto.

933
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 6>And I think Michael may have been worried about retribution.

934
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 6>I think he may have worried about like, you know,

935
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.559
<v Speaker 6>it's interesting that he never worried that Trump would come

936
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 6>after him again. I don't, I don't know.

937
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 7>I think he just really wanted the party.

938
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 6>He put us to know that he has a few

939
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 6>nuclear cards that he's been holding onto, and.

940
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>That's and and he just kind of played us to

941
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 1>stay relevant, stay out.

942
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.639
<v Speaker 6>There, and oh he's going to have a Fox News

943
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 6>show soon. I'm sure now he already has.

944
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 2>A wa people.

945
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>He's just a small.

946
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 6>Man, right, That's what they say. It's just no business.

947
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess, so, I guess. So it's all shown. It's

948
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.519
<v Speaker 1>all they don't call a showfriend. They call it show business.

949
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that the line or something like that.

950
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 6>But it's like he think about the way that he

951
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 6>used to talk to us as when we were like

952
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 6>when I was covering the White House and he was

953
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 6>still working for Trump, he was a monster.

954
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, no, he pressed me out, I know. And

955
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and then he and then, you know, as it was

956
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>getting really bad for him, you know, he would send

957
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>me these messages when he was going to jail and so,

958
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and he would send me these messages about how he

959
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>had had this change of heart and felt really bad.

960
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I again, I feel like I'm

961
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.360
<v Speaker 1>doing something bad just even talking about him and mentioning

962
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.599
<v Speaker 1>his name, because I just sort of said to myself,

963
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>don't do this anymore. But then when Steve Schmidt mentioned

964
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 1>you the other day, I thought, Okay, should have tea,

965
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.079
<v Speaker 1>we should talk about it.

966
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 6>It's a crazy story that he would even think that,

967
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 6>And I can't believe I was somehow a part of

968
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 6>it because I.

969
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Was just like, yeah, when you but when I saw

970
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>your story that he had asked for his number, I

971
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>was like, You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, But

972
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>then I thought this makes perfect sense.

973
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because he's like it just happened in the past

974
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 6>few months. I'm like, and then and then see him

975
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 6>defending Trump. That's that's the thing, you.

976
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Know, Boss Buss.

977
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 6>Hey, boss, I actually heard him. And when you said that,

978
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 6>that sounds.

979
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 7>Like that is you.

980
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>That is exactly Yeah. Yeah, it's like an episode of

981
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>The Sopranos. Tara great to see as always make sure

982
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>everybody you got to check out Tara's substack or YouTube show.

983
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 1>You're everywhere. You're on Apple podcasts everywhere. And you've got

984
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 1>new red drapes, which are they look really cool? So

985
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>great job.

986
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 6>I think they look cool. I think the wood is

987
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 6>cool too, you know. But it's also just like this

988
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.239
<v Speaker 6>is the desk. I mean, it's it's elevated.

989
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>This is where the work is done.

990
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 7>This is all happening here.

991
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

992
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 7>Thanks, Jim. I hope you have a great summer and

993
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 7>that you don't go to a drag race.

994
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do that. I'm going to stay

995
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>right here where it's nice and air conditioned and there

996
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:39.079
<v Speaker 1>are no conveyor belts or anywhere nearby. Good to see it, Tarasanks.

997
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 1>And now I am going to talk about something that

998
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 1>is worthwhile and important. I guess a couple of things.

999
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>One is, listen, there's an exciting new tool that we're

1000
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 1>using here on the gym Acosta Show. It's called Snapstream.

1001
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>You see all the clips that we're playing all the time.

1002
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Snapstream allows us to record, watch, monitor, and clip the news.

1003
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Check it out at snapstream dot com. They've they've they've

1004
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>really been terrific to work with putting together the clips

1005
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 1>for this show. And it's kind of all about the

1006
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 1>clips these days. So if it's all about the clips,

1007
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you got to use great tools and snapstream is definitely

1008
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 1>one of those great tools out there, so check it

1009
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 1>out at snapstream dot com. One, I did want to

1010
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about one extremely important story that popped up over

1011
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 1>the weekend that we need to talk about. And you

1012
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 1>guys have heard me talk about the sailors on the

1013
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>USS Abraham Lincoln. And there's the mother that I was

1014
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>texting back and forth with as a sailor who was

1015
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>on the USS Tripley. There have been multiple carriers and

1016
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>other military assets where our wonderful sailors and marines and

1017
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>so on up and serving and just getting the shaft. Well,

1018
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 1>get this. A sailor named Joshua Aviles, he was deployed.

1019
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 1>He put this on his Facebook page for over nine

1020
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>months out at sea in the Middle East board the

1021
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.599
<v Speaker 1>USS Abraham Lincoln. He says, fighting for a country that

1022
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 1>has given me everything. He goes on to say this

1023
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Facebook post, I just got a call that my dad

1024
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.119
<v Speaker 1>was taken by Ice. If you know my dad, you

1025
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 1>know he is a hard working, humble man who is

1026
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 1>always willing to help anyone if he can. My dad

1027
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>has his driver's license, social Security card, and work permit.

1028
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>We have done everything through immigration to get his green

1029
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 1>card approved and we are just waiting. It's very sad stuff.

1030
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 1>This goes on and say, this is heartbreaking for me.

1031
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I can mentally continue working twelve

1032
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 1>plus hour days knowing that my dad is somewhere possibly

1033
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 1>being treated like a criminal. My dad's only crime was

1034
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.159
<v Speaker 1>coming to this country to give my siblings and me

1035
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 1>a better life. Dad, I don't know where you are

1036
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>right now. But know that I am doing everything I

1037
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 1>can to bring you back home. I love you with

1038
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 1>all my heart. Please stay strong. I'm coming home, dad.

1039
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>This is one of our service members. This is a

1040
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>sailor who was on the USS Abraham Lincoln and during

1041
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>those conditions for nine long months, and then he finds

1042
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 1>out his father has been taken by ice. This is

1043
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>what's happening in America right now, folks. This is the

1044
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 1>level of cruelty that the Trump administration is showing towards

1045
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>immigrants Latino people in this country. It's something I've talked

1046
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 1>about time and again, and I talk about it all

1047
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the time. My dad's a Cuban refugee my mom's side,

1048
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 1>immigrants who came to this country on my mom's side

1049
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 1>as well. But this is how the Associated Press talks

1050
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>about this case. It says, when Luis manuel A Viles

1051
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 1>was arrested by immigration authorities, his son was entering his

1052
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.039
<v Speaker 1>ninth month on the USS Abraham Lincoln with the Navy,

1053
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a vessel that set a US military record for uninterrupted

1054
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 1>time at seas. During concerns about supply shortages and deteriorating

1055
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 1>mental health among soldiers. Luis manuel A Viles was arrested

1056
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>after leaving his house to take his car to the mechanic.

1057
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>According to his wife, she said her husband, a handyman

1058
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.920
<v Speaker 1>in Key West, has a permit to work in the

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00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 1>United States. He's originally from Nicaragua, has lived in the

1060
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 1>US for nineteen years. She went on to say, he

1061
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>dedicates himself only to work so he can put food

1062
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 1>on the table at home. He has a good father,

1063
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 1>he loves his children with all his soul. And how

1064
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>is this happening? You might say, how in the world

1065
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>could this be happening? A service member, he's on the USS.

1066
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln, his father gets picked up by ice. We'll

1067
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 1>get this. Vls's arrest is, according to the Associated Press,

1068
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>comes as the Trump administration rolls back immigration protections for

1069
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>military families to pursue its mass deportation agenda, detaining at

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00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>least dozens of parents and spouses of active duty US troops.

1071
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 1>That's right, folks, you can serve your country for this

1072
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.599
<v Speaker 1>administration in the United States military in the Armed services,

1073
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and your parents. If there's a mixed status situation going

1074
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.679
<v Speaker 1>out at home, one of your parents or one of

1075
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>your loved ones can get picked up by Ice. And

1076
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 1>go into a black hole in this country. Please, somebody

1077
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.280
<v Speaker 1>tell me how this makes any sense. How is this

1078
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 1>not just the absolute epitome of cruelty, as we've seen

1079
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>time and again with Donald Trump and Stephen Miller's wretched, appalling,

1080
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:09.199
<v Speaker 1>disgraceful on American immigration deportation program that we have in

1081
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 1>this country right now. And there was a time when

1082
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you would have you would have some sort of, I

1083
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know, insulation from this sort of thing, because the

1084
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 1>United States had a policy where maybe the parents and

1085
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>spouses of active US duty troops were not going to

1086
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.079
<v Speaker 1>be picked up by immigration authorities, particularly when they don't

1087
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 1>have any kind of criminal background or any kind of

1088
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 1>run ins with the law. But this is Associated Press.

1089
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.000
<v Speaker 1>This was back in August. This is just August fifth,

1090
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago. More than fifty parents, this is according

1091
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the Associated Press. More than fifty parents and spouses of

1092
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.320
<v Speaker 1>active duty service members have been detained since Trump took

1093
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>office for a second term. At least six have been deported,

1094
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 1>one self deported. This according the Associated Press, doing its

1095
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>own accounting of these detentions, which the government does not track.

1096
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>At least eight immediate family members of US service members

1097
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>remain in federal immigration custody. And I guess you can

1098
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>add this young man's father to that list. And you know,

1099
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 1>it just needs to be said. And I don't I

1100
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>don't see a lot of shows. I see shows touching

1101
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 1>on this kind of stuff and on the on the

1102
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.119
<v Speaker 1>news networks and so on, and there's a little bit

1103
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of coverage here and there. But folks, we're in independent media.

1104
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>We can call this stuff out. This is absolutely positively

1105
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 1>on American to do this to our own service members

1106
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.199
<v Speaker 1>in this country. I mean, we thought that the bad

1107
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>food and being hold up on a ship for nine

1108
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>months was bad. Imagine after that entire ordeal, you get

1109
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 1>home and you find out your dad has been picked

1110
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 1>up by ice. What in God's name is happening in

1111
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>this country right now? And I think it speaks to

1112
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 1>the level of cruelty that this administration has brought to

1113
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 1>this immigration crackdown, this mass deportation crackdown. And this is why, gosh,

1114
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.079
<v Speaker 1>we're what seventy two seventy one days until the midterms.

1115
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:08.559
<v Speaker 1>This is why these upcoming elections matter. In these next

1116
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.559
<v Speaker 1>couple of months, these next seventy or so days, we're

1117
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.599
<v Speaker 1>gonna be dedicating each and every day talking about these

1118
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 1>kinds of issues to make sure the American people. We

1119
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>just do our level best to inform and keep the

1120
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>American people as up to speed as humanly possible on

1121
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.119
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of issues. This goes right back to what

1122
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden used to talk about, what others have talked about,

1123
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 1>what I hope is a big center point of this campaign,

1124
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 1>and that is and I know and I know what

1125
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>it is using a phrase from the past, but it

1126
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is about the soul of America. It is about the

1127
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 1>soul of our country. It is about the soul of

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00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 1>who we want to be as a people. And I

1129
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 1>know I've talked about this before where I will say

1130
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>this is not who we are as a country, and

1131
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 1>then I'll see in the comments where people say, yes,

1132
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 1>it is who we are as a country. Donald Trump

1133
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 1>is the president of the United States and he is

1134
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 1>doing this to this country. And I will I will,

1135
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I will concede the point that to some extent, this

1136
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 1>is who we've become as a country. We are now

1137
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a country that will put people out at sea, that

1138
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>we will take the young people of this country put

1139
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 1>them out at sea, and showing absolutely no regard for

1140
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 1>their humanity, will go pick up their parents when they're

1141
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 1>out at sea and have no ability to deal with it,

1142
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.119
<v Speaker 1>have no ability to help their parents out when they're

1143
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 1>going through something like this. And we know what is

1144
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 1>happening in these deportation detention centers. We know what's happening

1145
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.840
<v Speaker 1>now because all of the stories have highlighted again and

1146
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.480
<v Speaker 1>again with the bad food, the poor conditions, the lack

1147
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>of medical attention. A Congressman, Joaquin Castro was just at

1148
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:43.519
<v Speaker 1>one of these detention centers the other day and said

1149
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that there were one hundred men to a sell and

1150
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 1>in some cases fifty women to a sell. We know

1151
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>we're still detaining children in this country in places like Dilly.

1152
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 1>These are the black holes that these immigrants who have

1153
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.360
<v Speaker 1>been living in this country for sometimes decades are being

1154
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 1>thrown into, all for the sake of Steve Miller hitting

1155
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 1>some goddamn quota with this monstrous deportation program, and even

1156
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>serving your country, putting on the uniform of this country

1157
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.639
<v Speaker 1>is not enough to shield your family and your loved

1158
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 1>ones from this level of cruelty. And this is what's

1159
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 1>at stake. When you want to know what's at stake. Yes,

1160
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the price of gas is high. Yes, it sucks going

1161
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>to the grocery store right now, because it's expensive to

1162
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.280
<v Speaker 1>fill up the grocery bag with food to bring home

1163
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 1>to your family. There's and put food on the table.

1164
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 1>There's no question about it. It's very expensive to buy house.

1165
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And I know we're all thinking about those pocketbook issues,

1166
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:43.639
<v Speaker 1>and the Democrats are going to run on the affordability

1167
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 1>crisis and all of those things, and all of that

1168
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>is well and good, But my god, are we really

1169
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.519
<v Speaker 1>going to be a country that grabs the parents of

1170
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>service members and puts them in a black fucking hole.

1171
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that what we're going to do as a country.

1172
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Is that what we're gonna do? A young man goes

1173
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and signs up to be a sailor with the United

1174
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.239
<v Speaker 1>States NAVIY and goes out at sea for nine months

1175
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 1>for this bullshit war of choice that Donald Trump can't

1176
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.159
<v Speaker 1>get himself out of, and so everybody gets put to

1177
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 1>the ringer. And this sailor goes out there and he

1178
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 1>does his job, and he comes back and his father

1179
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.519
<v Speaker 1>is picked up by ice and thrown into one of

1180
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 1>these black holes. That's what we're becoming as a country.

1181
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. And so, yes, you could make

1182
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the argument that yes, we have become that country and

1183
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that is who we are right now. But we have

1184
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>a chance to change course. We have a chance to

1185
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 1>reclaim some of what has been lost, to reclaim some

1186
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>of our soul that we've handed over to this madman

1187
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and this crook and his corrupt court of siccaphans and

1188
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 1>cult we're worshiping followers. We can get some of that back.

1189
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.199
<v Speaker 1>And he's going to try to rig this election. He

1190
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 1>is going to try it. He is going to try

1191
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 1>to by hook er, by crook, he is going to

1192
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 1>try to He is going to try to thwart the

1193
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.159
<v Speaker 1>will of the American people. He is going to try

1194
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to stop what is coming for him, this accountability that's

1195
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 1>coming from Because by God, there are people out there

1196
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>who are just like me, who are just as pissed

1197
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 1>off about this and just as furious about this. When

1198
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 1>you hear about a young man's father being grabbed by

1199
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.039
<v Speaker 1>ice while he is serving this country in uniform, it

1200
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get much worse than that. People, But we're doing it.

1201
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 1>We're doing it to human beings only because they have

1202
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 1>brown skin and because they have Spanish. Last names and

1203
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 1>they have a Spanish accent because they're Latino. That's why

1204
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 1>we're doing it, because for some reason, Donald Trump and

1205
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Steven Miller are so racist. They're so racist that they

1206
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.719
<v Speaker 1>won't even leave the family members of service members alone.

1207
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's what this election is all about, and that's

1208
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>what I'm going to be talking about passionately each and

1209
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 1>every day, each and every even on this program. I'm

1210
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.159
<v Speaker 1>going to break it down in absolutely basic human terms,

1211
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that you have a chance, ladies and gentlemen, you have

1212
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a chance to the American people to get some semblance

1213
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of our soul back as a nation. And it's not corny,

1214
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's not quaint, and it's not trying to go

1215
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.519
<v Speaker 1>back to the Joe Biden days and talk about the

1216
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 1>soul of American allthough that shit, I'm not talking about that.

1217
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about something that's basic and human and decent.

1218
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Are we going to be the country that inflicts cruelty

1219
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:38.760
<v Speaker 1>on human beings just to make a quota? Is that

1220
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 1>who we're going to be? Because in seventy some odd

1221
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.440
<v Speaker 1>days from now, we have a choice, we have an

1222
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:52.199
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to change course, to not become that country, to

1223
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 1>somehow find out if there's a way we can get

1224
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>that young man's father home. And now that this has happened,

1225
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that I'm doing my part

1226
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that this young man's father gets home.

1227
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 1>I saw it, and it's just one of the most disturbing. Yes,

1228
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 1>we can talk about Natalie Hart, and we can talk

1229
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 1>about how ridiculous it is to see her at some

1230
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:22.039
<v Speaker 1>goddamn car race over the weekend, But Joshua Aviles, who

1231
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 1>served aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln for nine months, got

1232
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:32.519
<v Speaker 1>a call that his dad was taken by ice. And

1233
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we've got to get this man's father home. We just

1234
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 1>got to do it. Something has to happen, Something has

1235
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:43.119
<v Speaker 1>to happen. And one final thing before I leave you

1236
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 1>is I'm seeing that the Supreme Court has granted Trump

1237
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 1>this accord in NBC News has granted Trump an initial

1238
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.360
<v Speaker 1>win in his effort to limit who can receive mail

1239
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in ballots before the midterm elections. And so, folks, you

1240
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:01.039
<v Speaker 1>have to understand what's at stake. You have to under now,

1241
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to be talking about this in the

1242
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:08.719
<v Speaker 1>coming days. The organizational framework is already you know, I'm

1243
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:12.360
<v Speaker 1>getting information that you know, folks are getting organized. Groups

1244
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>are getting organized to make sure voters come out and

1245
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 1>force this fall. We're going to be talking about that

1246
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.119
<v Speaker 1>in the coming eight in the coming days. But this

1247
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>is according to NBC Supreme Court hands preliminary when to

1248
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Trump on mail in ballots executive order, the Trump administration

1249
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:30.320
<v Speaker 1>wants to exert a greater control over mail in ballots,

1250
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and apparently the Supreme Court, surprise, surprise, the same Supreme

1251
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Court that says it's okay for Donald Trump to knock

1252
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 1>down part of the White House, they're going to be

1253
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 1>okay with Donald Trump knocking down part of our elections too,

1254
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I suppose. But you need to understand, folks, you still

1255
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have the power of your vote. You just are. You're

1256
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.599
<v Speaker 1>going to have to make it your job. You're going

1257
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.079
<v Speaker 1>to have to think about people like Joshua whose father

1258
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.559
<v Speaker 1>was taken by ice while he was at sea for

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<v Speaker 1>this country you have. Those are the stories that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have in your mind as you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the polls. This fault. You have to make it your job.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a plan, have a plan for yourself to vote

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<v Speaker 1>your loved ones. Make sure there's no family members staying

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<v Speaker 1>at home that who isn't voting and two people who have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Latino backgrounds like myself, We're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>be brave. We're gonna have to be courageous. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to vote, even though they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>make us afraid for our families and worried about our

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<v Speaker 1>families if we go vote, that we that we may

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<v Speaker 1>get harassed, that our family members may get harassed if

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<v Speaker 1>we go vote there. That is what they're going to instill,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of fear in all of us. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. They're going to do that. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to find a way. We're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way for people like Joshua and his father.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Rick Wilson only John Fast for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me today as well. Want to thank Tera Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Mary check out her substack the Red Letter. Appreciate all

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<v Speaker 1>of you tuning in. I really appreciate it. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>Still recording from Washington. I'm Jim Acosta. I'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Jo