WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:01:27.239 Oh fello, thats are. 2 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.520 Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 3 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.079 of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob and today 4 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.640 is the first day that we are fully back in 5 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:01.039 our home uh States from Florida, Bohemian Grove. It was 6 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.920 a great time and and but you know what it's like, 7 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.560 there's something about home that's just like, ah, I missed you. Yeah, 8 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:08.959 you know. 9 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:12.200 Let's give some shout outs real quick. Steph our homegirl. 10 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.560 She was there, we met Oh shit. There was one 11 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:17.879 guy that flew in from Ohio that was there for 12 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.400 to see us. One group dude from I think he 13 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.280 was from California. There was a couple from Vegas. But yeah, 14 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.959 for anybody that did make it out to Brohemian Grove. 15 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.920 Thank you. We love you all. We are thinking about 16 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:33.519 things that we are going to do in the future. 17 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.000 We've we've talked about and flirted with the idea of 18 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.239 doing a cult meet up or some sort of a 19 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.840 some sort of a con right, some sort of a 20 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.719 convention put on by us where everybody could fly in 21 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.000 and do stuff. I'm gonna be honest with you, Me 22 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.319 and Jonathan have been brainstorming a good bit on this 23 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.920 way home. I'm thinking sometime in the next year, and 24 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.640 it may be very small scale, it may be nothing major, 25 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.120 but just to get the ball rolling, I'm thinking that 26 00:01:59.280 --> 00:01:59.719 we are. 27 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.599 We got some good ideas in the works right now. See, 28 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:03.400 I'll stay tuned for that. 29 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.680 Oh yeah, yeah. We're always trying to brainstorm about what's 30 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.759 possibly in the future. And you know, as the cult grows, 31 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.759 as the third eyes open, you know, people just need 32 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.280 to meet up. 33 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.039 They do, they do, and so all right, on the 34 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:19.319 vibe of this trip. 35 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.800 On the way back, I found a little video here 36 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.080 and there that I was watching, and I had heard 37 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:27.599 of a couple of these things. Right We have talked 38 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:32.240 about the United States government, especially with our political system, 39 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.879 doing the wild acrobats that it's doing right now. We've 40 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.120 talked about examples of in the past where the government 41 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.960 overstepped and had this really, really good idea that sounded 42 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.520 like it was going to be great, and then once 43 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:49.280 it was executed, it kind of backfired because the government, 44 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.759 for some reason can't quit trying to fuck with mother nature. 45 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:53.800 I feel like we've talked about that time or two. 46 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.680 Right Well, the government is always trying to see what 47 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.400 they can do to have more power and manipulate and 48 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.599 all that shit. God forbid the people actually stood up 49 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.479 and did it to them, because then we would all 50 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:06.960 be in jail. But they get to do it and 51 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.800 they get to go back home to their family. They 52 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:11.759 make all the money, you know what I mean. So's 53 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.680 it's rules for thee and not for me. 54 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:16.360 Right, no doubt. 55 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.960 And we just had an episode about the storm right, 56 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:24.439 the hurricanes and how they potentially and in my opinion, 57 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:29.800 definitely can control manufacture hurricanes and maybe even tornadoes, maybe 58 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:33.080 a blizzard. Right, talking about some weather control shit. Okay, 59 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:34.840 we've had that discussion. 60 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:37.000 Have we talked. 61 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:42.240 About really now the reintroduction of certain animal breeds too 62 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.199 areas where they allegedly were indigenous at one point or 63 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.639 were introduced for economic and commercial reasons, and how that 64 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.080 backfired a million percent. 65 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.039 Well, that's just people thinking that they know better than animals, 66 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.400 I think, you know what I mean. Whenever it's so 67 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.800 silly that you know, we say that we're at the 68 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:04.759 top of the food chain, and I guess we are. 69 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.400 We're the ones with the cars and the buildings and 70 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.000 the roads, and you know, we can travel. We don't 71 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.680 have to run everywhere it's pretty sweet. 72 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:11.879 You know. 73 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.439 We get to pull up at McDonald's a burger king 74 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.160 if you want to poison yourself. We have that free 75 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.839 will kind of thing going on. But whenever we compare 76 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.519 ourselves to certain animals, yeah they don't do what we do, 77 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.279 but they're also a lot more in tune with nature, 78 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.399 and so you're you're having a being us taking an 79 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.439 animal from a different part of nature into another part 80 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:38.920 of nature because we think that we know better than 81 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.959 the fucking motherfuckers that are always in nature, you know 82 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:42.399 what I mean? 83 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:45.959 See, Okay, perfect, perfect, yes, and as there it's all 84 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.639 that could be taken to a spiritual place absolutely into 85 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.120 the physical place, the circle of life, if you will. 86 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.839 For the desert is a different circle of life from 87 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.519 the rainforest. That is a different circle of life than 88 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.800 the ocean. Right when you try to mix and match 89 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:05.319 things sometimes yes, you can in fact do this in. 90 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.759 A good way, and it does meld well. 91 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.199 Into the already existing circle of life, and then things, 92 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.199 you know are okay, that's like almost never been done though, 93 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.839 like realistically it's almost never been done. When you take 94 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.160 a species from one continent and move it to a 95 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.959 whole other continent. Typically things go really badly, really quickly, 96 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.600 And that seems to be a recurring theme, right. 97 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.360 Well you think that, like I don't know, I know 98 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.879 that they were obviously breeding a bunch of different dogs 99 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:36.600 throughout the years, and you know, messing with certain animals 100 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.120 and stuff like that. But it does make you wonder 101 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.560 and people will all go back and they'll think like, oh, 102 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.040 it was all Pangaea anyway, all the animals were all 103 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.639 living together, and they could roam from the hot to 104 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.240 the cold and to the water, and you know what 105 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.439 I mean. And so then then it starts getting a 106 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.279 little bit obscure where you're trying to figure it out 107 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.720 and it's kind of like, you know, my excuse where 108 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.360 I'm always like, but what even Israel? Like that's really 109 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:01.639 what it goes back to, you know. 110 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:03.439 But I mean to your point. 111 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.920 Also, yeah, all dogs allegedly come from an ancestral wolf, right, 112 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.120 and everything broke down. So the theory quote unquote that 113 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.240 wolves should be able to exist at all corners of 114 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.279 the globe or the flat plane or the double tord 115 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:22.480 or whatever. Wolves inherently arguably should be able to exist 116 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:25.199 in most of that area, maybe not deserts, right. Maybe 117 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.079 there's some exceptions to that, but it stands to reason 118 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:29.920 that if there is a breed of dog that can 119 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.399 exist there, there might be a wolf that could exist 120 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:35.600 there if you go back in history far enough, right, 121 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.279 And okay, okay, I get that, but people forget that 122 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.839 the circle of life ten thousand years ago, even in 123 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.399 a certain area of the world right now, was different 124 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.600 then than it is now. Like we have different animals, 125 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.279 we have different plant life. It's a completely different time. 126 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.399 And I would argue a different world. 127 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.639 Oh yeah, it couldn't be more different. I mean, just 128 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.040 think about the fact that, like you know, we're we're 129 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.120 building shit on top of land right like there's already 130 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.319 that And I'm not gonna be one of those that, like, 131 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.279 I mean, I think we should protect our wildlife and 132 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.720 stuff like that. But for the most part, like this 133 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.199 world that they're living in is a completely different world 134 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.480 than what they're used to, like over the span of 135 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.360 millennia obviously, so they're gonna be pushed into certain areas 136 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:26.079 that they're not maybe used to kind of deal. Yeah, yeah, 137 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:26.720 I don't know. 138 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:27.879 So. 139 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.319 Have you. Here's what started all of this, y'all. 140 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.040 I was thinking about this, thinking about these animals and 141 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.439 just random shit. I found a clip and it got 142 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:44.959 me pondering. So in Hawaii. Now, you think about Hawaii 143 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.759 is an island in the middle of like bump fuck 144 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:48.600 nowhere ocean. 145 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.120 There's no mainland continent that it's connected to. 146 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.480 So there wouldn't be roaming herds of animals on the 147 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.480 island of or islands of Hawaii, right. The only kind 148 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:04.720 of real animals that would exist there would be bird 149 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:09.800 species and small, small little creatures, you know what I'm saying, 150 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.240 except things introduced by humans. They have a wild chicken 151 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.639 population and a wild pig population, both of which were 152 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.839 brought over from Polynesians exploring the Pacific Islands. None of 153 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:26.040 those were indicatively native to the volcanic islands of Hawaii, right, 154 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.240 But the things that are indicatively like from the islands. 155 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.879 There was actually a wide variety of exotic birds, and 156 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.039 I thought that was so crazy because the vast majority 157 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.879 of them are extinct right now. And then I thought, 158 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:43.399 what happened there? 159 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:43.840 Humans? 160 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.360 Humans just haunted them to extinction and some of that, yes, 161 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.720 but I thought about this too. Hawaii being the place 162 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:53.159 that it is, their bird population never had to set 163 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:57.159 nests in trees because there was no predators on the island. 164 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:01.519 There was no snakes, there's no you know, raccoons, there 165 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.320 was none of these things that would eat the eggs 166 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.200 on the ground. So ground nesting became a thing. And 167 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.320 it got me thinking of what the fuck changed the 168 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.320 ground nesting? And oh wait a minute, that time that 169 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.720 they introduced mongooses to Hawaii to help fight the rat 170 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:21.000 population that was eating up all of their crops. Problem is, 171 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.879 mongooses and rats are ones nocturnal and one is turnal, 172 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.960 meaning that they pretty much never see each other. 173 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.960 Why would they think that the mongoose would does a 174 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.279 mongoose traditionally eat rats? 175 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:38.639 You know what? Let's talk about, Jonathan. 176 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:40.039 At this time, I'm gonna go ahead and share the 177 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.240 screen and if you would like to see what we 178 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.600 were talking about, because I do have a few videos, 179 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.120 a few aids today as we go down a wild, 180 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.720 weird list of creatures that are not living where they're 181 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.440 supposed to and how we are somehow the responsible parties 182 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.080 for that and the only ones. 183 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.759 That could fix it, because that's the way this shit works. Jonathan, 184 00:09:58.799 --> 00:09:59.840 tell them where they can go. 185 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.000 You can go to Patreon dot com slash Cult of 186 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.200 Conspiracy podcast or rockfan dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy. 187 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.120 Both of those links are down in the show notes below. 188 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.840 It is a great way to be able to support 189 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.960 the show, and it's something that if you hate listening 190 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.720 to all the commercials, it is absolutely commercial free. You 191 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.240 get the days the show's a couple of days in advance, 192 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.440 and you'll be able to join us every Tuesday night 193 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.080 at nine pm Central for the Cult Member Live Show. 194 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.240 And as a matter of fact, one more thing today, 195 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.080 I am going to upload the full versions of both 196 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.120 of my DMT trips if anybody is interested in checking 197 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.559 that out. It was we talked about it on yesterday's show, 198 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.960 but if you wanted to watch it for yourself, I'm 199 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:44.200 gonna put it up there. So maybe it'll entice you, 200 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.720 maybe it'll scare the fuck out of you. I'm not sure, 201 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.600 but I mean I had a good experience and a 202 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.360 horrible experience, so a little bit of heaven and hell 203 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:52.879 if you will. 204 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.080 I was gonna say you would like the video of 205 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.720 you your response to it, or the entire video of 206 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:01.080 the l down and all of that too. 207 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.440 Yeah, I mean all encompassing, because it's only you know, 208 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.519 you're only tripping for like three to five minutes. 209 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.639 Yeah, I was actually shocked at that. 210 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.759 Now, everybody who didn't see that episode, I did not partake, 211 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:14.320 but I was kind of the d D on this 212 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.200 on this journey, and yeah, so I was actually shocked 213 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:19.799 that I heard people say that it last on in 214 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.639 like fifteen minutes. No, dude, like sub five minutes. You, 215 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.120 I think were the only one that broke that line. 216 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.159 I I And it just so happened that I break 217 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.840 I broke that line on the Bad Trip. So you know, 218 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.960 you don't want to be in a bad trip longer 219 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.080 than you have to be. And it's not you know, 220 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:40.000 I I don't. 221 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:40.279 I don't. 222 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:41.679 I don't even really want to call it a bad 223 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.840 trip because I got a lot out of it. And honestly, 224 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:48.200 like I'm I'm looking at the world differently because of 225 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.480 the bad trip, not the good trip. So I think 226 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.759 that it's cause and effect kind of deal. That's how 227 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:53.480 I'm looking at it. 228 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:55.120 I'm with you, I'm with you. 229 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.399 And yeah, Also, is there any like conversations in the 230 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.799 background there are like a private information or something. 231 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.320 Because I'm trying to think of the conversation I listened 232 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.679 back to them and it was just basically people bullshitting 233 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:10.639 and talking about trips and stuff. 234 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:12.440 Okay, that's I thought. 235 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.799 So I'm just like looking back, like shit, I I 236 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.080 really don't remember everything that was said that night. 237 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.399 I hope this doesn't I hope this doesn't ruin our 238 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:21.320 lives or anything. 239 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.159 But you tell you what, if you want to find 240 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:26.679 out for yourselves what that was about, what was being said? 241 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.879 The behind this the most behind the scenes I think 242 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:31.080 we have ever released. 243 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.960 Come to just check us out on patreon dot com 244 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.000 slash cult conspiracy and it is the best way to 245 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.000 directly support the show. And I cannot stress this enough, y'all. 246 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:44.039 Commercial free, yes, completely commercial free. We know it's a bitch. 247 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.600 Come help us out. Come get the commercial free listens. 248 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.919 We love you all. Now let's do a little bit 249 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.320 of digging into why the fuck were non indigenous mongeese? 250 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.159 Mongoose is actually I looked it up. Mongoose is the 251 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.639 plural and the singular. It's it's annoying, But why or 252 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:03.840 all of these mongoos brought to Hawaii? 253 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.039 And what the hell? Why are we still fighting this 254 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:07.679 fight today? 255 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:11.759 And you want me to read it today or you 256 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:13.480 want to. I know you, your throat's kind of fucked. 257 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.000 No, it's all right. I mean, my throat's not hurting. 258 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.519 It's just that i'm like super congested because of the 259 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.720 trip for some reason. Honestly, probably a lack of sleep. 260 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.279 That'll do it too, But no, I read it. I 261 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:25.279 don't have a problem reading. 262 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:26.240 It all right. 263 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:27.960 This weekend, I'm got to say, I think I got 264 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.759 three to four hours of sleep a night per night, 265 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.159 which is a solid amount for me, but it could 266 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:34.879 have been longer. 267 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:35.240 You know. 268 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.639 Yeah, it felt good sleeping in this morning, but I 269 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:38.919 still got a lot to make up for. 270 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.039 Ye Is it weird that waking up at six am 271 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:46.240 this morning was sleeping in for me. That's sad because 272 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.080 I got to sleep early, though, I'm be honest. I 273 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.759 got home and I crashed early. It felt so nice. 274 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:53.759 Oh I wish I still had to drive four and 275 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.639 a half more hours to Louisiana after I dropped you off, 276 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.240 and then I had to come pick the dogs up 277 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:59.919 from the borders, and then I had to come home 278 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.399 edit two shows. So it was just a lovely night. 279 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:04.240 Dude, What time did you get down? 280 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:06.440 I think I ended up going to sleep like three 281 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:07.600 thirty or something like that. 282 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.360 Fuck dude, Hey, okay, you got to sleep in this morning? 283 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.200 Hell yeah, a little bit, A little bit. So the 284 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.519 bizarre history of the mongoose in Hawaii and why colonial 285 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:22.320 sugar barons are to blame for the havoc that it's caused. Okay, 286 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.320 rich plantation odors in the eighteen eighties were so desperate 287 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.080 to combat the rats eating their sugar cane that they 288 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.440 brought the mongoose to Hawaii and the government still can't 289 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.919 get rid of them to this day. Colonialism and white supremacy, 290 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:36.799 Oh there we go. 291 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.840 I mean, oh, you're gonna hear that a couple of 292 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:39.840 times on this one. 293 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.960 Oh, you just love to hear it. Anyway, Colonialism and 294 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.000 white supremacy have caused many problems all over the world, 295 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.320 and those problems even extend to the animal kingdom, like 296 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.559 in the case of the mongoose in Hawaii, originally brought 297 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.720 to the island nation and the hopes of controlling the 298 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:59.120 rat population today's mongooses mongooses. That just doesn't seem right 299 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.440 to say, though it doesn't. Today's mongooses have threatened their 300 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.159 other flora and fauna on the Big Island, and despite 301 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.440 officials' best efforts has become difficult, if not impossible, to 302 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:14.240 control the population. Let's take a look at the efforts 303 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.639 that are being made to get the mongoose population in 304 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.559 Hawaii under control and why it hasn't been an easy 305 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:20.840 task for anyone involved. 306 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:23.840 Bro, look at that mongoose, though. 307 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.919 That is not what I thought a mongoose looked like. 308 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.639 What do you think they looked like? 309 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.399 I don't know, Like I thought it was a bird. 310 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.080 No, dude, mongoose are like tall, skinny rat. Think of 311 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.799 a muscular ferret that fucks shit up. 312 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:44.279 That's like fucking timone. Uh he was a meer cat 313 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.240 looks just like it. It's like the distant cousin. 314 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:51.840 Maybe kind of okay, but see, meer cats aren't predators, 315 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.679 I don't think anyway. Mongoose are absolutely pretty. They're like 316 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.000 they eat meat. They don't just like eat little bugs 317 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:58.000 and subsist off that. 318 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.320 Like, No, they eat eggs. They fuck up coke is 319 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:01.039 all kinds of shit. 320 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.399 On the surface, the mongoose is a cute and furry 321 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.200 creature with its pointed face and bushy tail. It's even 322 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.840 immortalized in Ricky Tiki Tavi, the classic children's Tale by 323 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:16.120 Rudyard Kipling. However, for Hawaii, the mongoose has been nothing 324 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:20.559 but trouble. Various mongoose species can be found in Africa, 325 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.480 Southern Asia, and Southeast Europe. The Hawaiian Islands are inflicted 326 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.159 with an infestation of the small Asian mongoose, a native 327 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.919 of Java, which is considered one of the world's most 328 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:35.039 invasive species. In addition to being introduced to Hawaii in 329 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.639 the Bahamas, the small Asian mongoose has been introduced to Cuba, Croatia, Jamaica, Hispaniola, 330 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:50.240 Puerto Rico, the Lesser Antilles, Belize, Honduras, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago, Colombia, Suriname, Venezuela, Guyana, 331 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:55.200 and Mafia Island. As for how these omnivorous critters, who 332 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.120 are related to the meerkat more than the mouse, go 333 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.360 to Ergata all these places, credit or blame goes to 334 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.920 the colonial setters, who settlers who were hoping to capitalize 335 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.480 on the burgeoning sugar trade. 336 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:12.599 Basically, the sugar trade was starting to boom. 337 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:14.960 They saw these farms in these areas and was like, 338 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.000 all right, this could help us in some way. 339 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.319 So why is the mangous in Hawaii. Before it became 340 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.440 known as the island Paradise of the United States, Hawaii 341 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:28.640 was best known for one important export, sugar cane. The 342 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.480 popular crop grew especially well on the Hamuka Coast, which 343 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.240 is located just north of High Low on the so 344 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.359 called Big Island of Hawaii. In eighteen eighty three, the 345 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.000 biggest sugar cane plantations on the island could be found 346 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.440 on this beautiful coast. But there was just one problem. 347 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.400 The sweet taste of sugar brought rats who loved to 348 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.680 munch on sugar cane all day and who destroy all 349 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.319 the crops in They're wake the plantation owners who were 350 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:57.160 almost universally white colonialists. What does that even matter for 351 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:57.640 this thing? 352 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:01.480 Like you know what I Meanan was an American territory, 353 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.720 so like, yeah, it stands to reason, you know what 354 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:06.720 I'm saying, if it was a if it was an 355 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:10.799 Indian territory, stands to reason, all the uh dudes in 356 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.839 charge would have would have had red dots. 357 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.720 That I mean that that stands you know. 358 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.880 But all right, people just love to blame shit, you 359 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.799 know what I'm saying. I think that's really what it is. 360 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:24.400 The sort the source is the uh alt hissed? Uh 361 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.599 what is this alt heads history? All that's interesting? 362 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:29.839 Dot com? Excuse me? All that's interesting. 363 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.079 So if I'm not mistaken into more liberal leaning uh 364 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.599 you know media source. However, as far as the actual 365 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:39.519 meat and potatoes of what happened, they did a pretty 366 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:41.240 good job. And there's a video I had that actually 367 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.240 does a pretty good, uh you know, humorous twist on it. 368 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.680 But we'll get there in a minute. 369 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.599 Then got the brilliant idea of introducing the mongoose to Hawaii, 370 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:54.119 the uh white colonialist They expected that the mongoose would 371 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.480 spot the rats and kill them on site, thus saving 372 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.160 the sugarcane from certain destruction. 373 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:59.720 This theory of mine. 374 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.319 There was no record of them ever showing that mongeese 375 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:08.119 mongoose is mongoose and whatever eat rats? Now one time 376 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.400 was it ever seen like, oh, dude, mongoose are like 377 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.680 a natural predator to rats. This will be great. They 378 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.480 just thought, like, yo, this would work really well, because 379 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.000 why wouldn't it. They had no backing whatsoever. 380 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.799 Yeah, they got this story from bad sources. 381 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:28.400 I think, No, no, no, we're gonna show more here 382 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:29.039 in a minute. 383 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.440 This is actually true. 384 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.519 They brought mongeese in to fight rats, knowing or not 385 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.640 even knowing for sure that mongoose would eat rats. 386 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.240 They just assumed they would. 387 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:41.799 No, No, I'm not saying this story is fake. I'm 388 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.599 saying the white colonialists that got the bright idea to 389 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.799 bring the mongoose in it maybe they got a bad 390 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.160 story saying that the mongese the mongoose would eat the rats. 391 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.960 You know, maybe maybe they were reading some bad information. 392 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.920 It's also possible they were that dumb, and there's been 393 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:02.039 dumber shit. This whole episode is about dumb people doing 394 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.599 dumb shit that sounds great on paper until you actually 395 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:06.279 read it, you know. 396 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:07.599 But we'll get to it. 397 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.640 This theory, however, fell apart once they realized that the 398 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.799 rats and the mongoose kept different schedules. The mongoose only 399 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.000 came out during the day, while the rats foraged for 400 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:17.319 their sugary treats at night. 401 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:21.359 They literally passed each other going to and from the 402 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.319 same fields. They never ate each other. If anything, they 403 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:26.359 didn't fuck with each other. 404 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:31.119 I see that. Yeah, it's it's a not a very 405 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:31.599 good plan. 406 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:33.599 No, it is not so. 407 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.480 Not only was introducing the mongoose in Hawaii and epic 408 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.799 fail and that it couldn't keep the burgeoning rat population 409 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.960 at bay, but it resulted in the mongoose in Hawaii 410 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:47.160 becoming an invasive species on the island Paradise. Look at 411 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.319 that fucking thing. It kind of does look like a ferret. 412 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:51.680 Kind of like an up armored ferret. 413 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:54.519 Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. 414 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.240 You put a ferret in a mongoose in front of me, 415 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:57.960 There's no way I'm telling a difference, Dude. 416 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.720 A mongoose is bigger, I think to each other. You'd 417 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.039 be able to tell, but like just without knowing. If 418 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:06.079 you don't have like a pet ferret and you see 419 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.039 one every day, you yeah, same, I wouldn't be able 420 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:08.680 to tell the difference. 421 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.759 In addition to having a presence on the Big Island, 422 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.000 the mongoose in Hawaii can be found on the islands 423 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.279 of Oahu, Maui, and Molokai, with a rare sighting on 424 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:20.519 Kawhai from time to time. 425 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:23.440 Kawaii even has them, dude, But. 426 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.880 These opportunistic animals have disrupted the natural flora and fauna 427 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.359 on any island that they touch. Their favorite treats are 428 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.359 small birds and their eggs but they're also known to 429 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.720 eat plants, fruits, and insects. The mongoose also eats sea 430 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.000 turtle eggs, thus disrupting that population as well. No, not 431 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:38.559 the sea. 432 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:42.400 Turtles, I'm telling you, dude, walking with the sea turtles. 433 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.920 Fuck dude. And worst of all, the mongoose is responsible 434 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.519 for the deaths of at least eight species of birds 435 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.880 that are native to Hawaii, birds that were on the 436 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:56.720 federally endangered list and whose existence existence yeah, continues to 437 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.079 be threatened by this cute but annoying creature. To combat 438 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.680 the presence of the mongoose in Hawaii, locals have learned 439 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.759 to set traps all around their properties and reports any 440 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:10.799 sightings of the creature to six forty three pest. Okay, 441 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.480 that's a phone number. I'm thinking, an organization endorsed by 442 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:19.920 the Hawaii Invasions Invasive Species Council, whose sole purpose is 443 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.440 to contain invasive species on the island. The council also 444 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.359 tells residents not to worry about reporting any mongoose sightings 445 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.680 to the government itself, as it has proven to be 446 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:30.720 a bit of an issue that takes up most of 447 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.519 their time. Oh damn wow. 448 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.200 So the government is just like, yeah, we know how 449 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.759 bad it is. There ain't shit we can do. 450 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.440 Okay, cool, Yeah you fucking fend for yourself then really 451 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.720 is what you need to do. But the Hawaii Invasive 452 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.559 Species Council also warns its residents against mistaking cats and 453 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.000 rats for mongooses, which also seems to be a pervasive 454 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.759 problem on the Big Island. But with more than fifty 455 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.079 million dollars in annual damages caused by the mongoose in Hawaii, 456 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:00.000 it's safe to say that the council would love, no, 457 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.359 nothing more than to be rid of the critter once 458 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:02.960 and for all. 459 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.000 Yes, indeed, So, like I said, that was a good 460 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.480 little quick one. But now let's go into a little 461 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.839 bit more of the details of the situation of the 462 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.599 mongoose problem on Hawaii. Once again done by the United 463 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:22.079 States government and the corporate pocracy, the big money. This 464 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.720 was big sugar back in the day, and we're still 465 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:26.119 dealing with these problems today. 466 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.880 Here it is. This is an extra history. Shout out 467 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:29.759 to them on YouTube. 468 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.000 As for their beaches, surf breaks, and lush volcanic mountains, 469 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.480 often it's been called a paradise, but among biologists it 470 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.720 has a different more somber name the extinction capital of 471 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.599 the world. Hawaii has more endangered and extinct species than 472 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.279 any other comparably sized place on the planet, with its 473 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.799 native bird populations especially impacted by human habitation. Like nearly 474 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.279 every other part of the globe, habitat loss and urban 475 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:57.559 encroachment have driven many species to the brink, Yet unusually 476 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:00.319 in the case of Hawaii, much of that devastation can 477 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.119 be tracked to the decision of a single man. But 478 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.079 to understand how that was even possible, we first have 479 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.119 to explain Hawaii's ecosystem a bit and why it was 480 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.640 uniquely vulnerable to being upended. The Hawaiian Islands are a 481 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.519 remote volcanic chain two thy five hundred miles from the 482 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.480 nearest continent, meaning to establish a population on the island, 483 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.440 animals had to either fly, swim, or float there. This 484 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.920 made the island's ecosystem largely a kingdom of birds. They 485 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.200 arrived in waves over the eons, many evolving specifically to 486 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.519 feed on native plants that also evolutionarily adapted to their 487 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.400 new home, and their physiology reflected that some had beautiful 488 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:39.319 crimson plumage, others had dramatically hooked and needlelike beaks evolved 489 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.200 to feed on specific flowers. Not to mention, certain birds 490 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.759 only arose on specific islands, meaning the populations were relatively 491 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.240 small and dependent on the plants they were adapted to. 492 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.240 Hawaii was also a surprisingly gentle environment with no terrestrial 493 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.559 ground mammals. Plants largely didn't need to evolve defenses such 494 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.359 as poisons or thorns, and many birds even took to 495 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.920 nesting on the ground. But then a major predator arrived humans. 496 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:06.920 In roughly twelve hundred AD, Polynesian voyagers arrived from Tahiti 497 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.720 to settle the islands, and like everywhere humans settled, they 498 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.319 upended the environment. Humans have kind of always been a 499 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.880 threat to ecosystems, but what makes us particularly dangerous are 500 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.559 the domesticated and undomesticated species that we bring with us. 501 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:23.160 The Polynesian voyagers brought chickens and small pigs, but perhaps 502 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:27.079 their most consequential introduction was the pacific rat, which occasionally 503 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.920 preyed on bird eggs. Just bookmark that one for later. Eventually, 504 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:34.519 bird feathers also became a major component in Hawaiian culture, 505 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.440 used to decorate musical instruments, god images, and battle standards, 506 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.599 but their greatest use was actually in the feather cloaks 507 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.359 worn by the chiefly class. However, it should be noted 508 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.119 that the bird catchers who were gathering these feathers would 509 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.960 not kill the birds. They'd catch them by smearing glue 510 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.240 on branches, then pluck a few feathers before releasing them. 511 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.880 As a result, both historians and biologists believe that the 512 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:01.160 impact of Hawaiian featherwork on bird populations was ready relatively minor. Now, 513 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.039 despite the initial shock of settlement, things in the islands 514 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.799 did eventually reach equilibrium. Native Hawaiian practices emphasized sustainability and 515 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.640 ethos that was partially a religious duty but also a 516 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.640 social imperative since there was really nowhere left to expand to. 517 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.759 But these principles crumbled when Western business interests and economic 518 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.880 models started to remake how the Kingdom of Hawaii managed land. Now, 519 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.880 that is a much longer story, but to summarize, in 520 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.839 a bid to keep their kingdom's independence, the Hawaiian royal 521 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.920 family westernized themselves, their society, and their economy, and a 522 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.200 large part of that was allowing American and European investors 523 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.279 to open large sugarcane plantations staffed largely by immigrant workers 524 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.880 brought in from Japan, China, Korea, the Philippines, Portugal, and 525 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.200 Puerto Rico. By the eighteen eighties, the sugar plantations were 526 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:50.759 major economic drivers and miniature governments in and of themselves. 527 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.839 But the sugarcane planters had a problem rats the Pacific 528 00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.640 rat who loved sugar cane, and it was starting to 529 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.519 cause crop loss, so the plantation owners went looking for 530 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.359 an answer. In an eighteen seventy two article, a sugar 531 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.720 planter in Jamaica described how he'd significantly decreased the rat 532 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.000 problem in his fields by importing mongoose from India and 533 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.839 releasing them as a form of rodent control. Which is 534 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.119 why William Herbert Purvis, an Englishman who'd invested in a 535 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:20.119 cane plantation, thought this made eminent sense. After all, mongoose 536 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.240 were famous for their ability to kill basically any opponent, 537 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.759 even cobras, so he was sure they could raid his 538 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.920 specific sugar mill of its rodent problem. Now keep in mind, 539 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.480 Purvis was no amateur at introducing new species to the islands. 540 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.160 The previous year, he'd imported macadamia trees from Australia as 541 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.200 an ornamental plant though they gave good nuts too. Surely 542 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.160 these mongooses would be just as much of a success. 543 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.200 Right then, After Purvis released the beasts, other plantation owners 544 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.720 followed suit on nearly every island, with the exception of Kauai, 545 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.119 where a local man booted the crate off the dock, 546 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.440 drowning the invasive animals. And invasive they were because mongoose 547 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.839 don't just prey on rats, they prey on anything. In 548 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.480 their naive India, they largely ate insects, rats, and snakes, 549 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.319 but like any animal, it went for the easiest and 550 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.759 most convenient prey. One Hawaiian article published the same year 551 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:14.599 purpose introduced mongoose warned that the animal was a general destroyer. Sadly, 552 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.359 they were exactly right. The mongoose killed rats, but not many, 553 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.079 mainly due to the fact that rats are nocturnal while 554 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.119 mongoose are diurnal, meaning they basically just passed each other 555 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.200 while they were commuting to work. No, the easiest prey 556 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.680 turned out to be eggs. Groups of mongoose ravaged the 557 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.359 native bird population. It burgled eggs from nests, killed chicks 558 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.160 that recently left the protection of trees, and even dug 559 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.680 up and feasted on turtle eggs buried in the sand 560 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.799 of the beaches. Particularly hard hit with the native ground 561 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.440 nesting birds, who again had evolved in an environment with 562 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.880 no terrestrial predators. And this was so obvious early on 563 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.839 that an article in a local newspaper published in nineteen 564 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.680 hundred already remarked on the population crash when we first 565 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.599 took possession. A groundkeeper was quoted in the article, there 566 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.039 were a good many pheasants and skins eyelarcs there. Now 567 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.799 they're nearly extinct, and it's too bad. The mongoose is 568 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.920 solely responsible for the passing of these desirable birds. It's 569 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.480 particularly destructive on eggs. Birds cannot raise broods when it's 570 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.599 about Yet, even as this became apparent, business interests published 571 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.759 editorials touting the introduction as a success and denigrating reports 572 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.240 of birds being killed. Articles often focused on humorous stories 573 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.480 of mongoose raiding henhouses. Meanwhile, not particularly caring about any 574 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.400 pr spin, the mongoose kept killing. Among its victims was 575 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.799 the Nanae goose state bird of Hawaii, whose population fell 576 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.200 from twenty five thousand in seventeen seventy eight to only 577 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.400 thirty in nineteen fifty two. Though mongoose weren't the only factor. 578 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.640 Feral cats also took their toll, and another large threat 579 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:49.119 were invasive mosquitoes imported via Western ships that spread avian diseases, 580 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.559 and as a result, Hawaii is the bird extinction capital 581 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.319 of the world. When humans arrived, the islands had one 582 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.880 hundred and forty two unique bird species. Since then, ninety 583 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.279 five of them have been driven to extinction, and of 584 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.519 the forty four endemic species remaining, thirty three are listed 585 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.920 as endangered, and some who have not been sighted in 586 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.359 decades are likely already gone. Some of those threatened include 587 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.839 the Allalla or Hawaiian crow, which many native Hawaiians consider 588 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.119 a family guardian spirit, and the evy, known in mythology 589 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.920 to be the demigod Maui's favorite bird, and since many 590 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.599 of these birds are also pollinators, their declining population have 591 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.519 led to a collapse in native plant life that depended 592 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.839 on them as part of their life cycle. When W. H. 593 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.559 Purvis released his horde of mongoose into a field on 594 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.759 the Big Island, he didn't expect to destroy an ecosystem, 595 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.519 but he did a harsh reminder that ignorance and overconfidence 596 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.400 can be just as devastating as malicious intent. Today, efforts 597 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.440 to introduce species as a form of biocontrol are studied 598 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.240 extensively for their impact before being tried. Thankfully, the lesson 599 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.680 took root. In eighteen eighty eight, King Kalakawa decreed the 600 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.279 kingdom's first plant quarantine, hoping to keep botanical diseases out 601 00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.799 of the islands. Two years later, in eighteen ninety in 602 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.039 importation of non native insects were banned, and in nineteen 603 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.960 oh five non native animals were added to the list 604 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.119 not to mention. Today, a host of local organizations are 605 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.319 attempting to preserve what native birds remain. Actually, one of 606 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.599 Hawaii's success stories is the Nane goose, a breeding and 607 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.640 reintroduction program begun in the nineteen fifties has moved to 608 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.480 the Nane off the endangered species list and its population 609 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:23.440 now sits around two thy five hundred. 610 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.200 So all right, so that's about it for that episode. 611 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.599 All right, for that video. Excuse me, what are your 612 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.920 thoughts on this one? As of now? 613 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.519 I think that if they had the Internet back then, 614 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:37.759 that that wouldn't have happened. 615 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.200 Okay, So there was one story of a dude from 616 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:46.880 Jamaica who had some success one story which could have 617 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.240 literally been the game of telephone through newspapers from Jamaica 618 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.079 to Hawaii in the eighteen hundreds. 619 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.839 You know what I'm saying. 620 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.119 But that's typically how you would have gotten that information 621 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.880 unless you were reading it from a book or certain 622 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.799 zas or which I don't even think they had a 623 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.680 wallow just back then. But you know, certain people who 624 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.839 are closer to the land, and and also like, how 625 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.480 do we know that this that this other guy talking 626 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.119 about the mongoose, you know, getting getting rid of the rats? 627 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.160 How did how did he know that he was even 628 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.039 being truthful? I mean, at a certain point you have 629 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.960 to take people on trust, especially when you can't search 630 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.799 their Facebook, you can't look up their Instagram, you can't find, 631 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.400 you know, any kind of information on the internet. Like 632 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.319 you kind of just had to take people at their word, 633 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.480 and especially somebody you know who was kind of like 634 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.079 working with these with these kind of animals and saw 635 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.640 great results. I mean, why wouldn't you take that advice? 636 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:39.240 That's the way I would look at it. 637 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.160 And you know it's crazy. I used to work at 638 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:46.559 a sugar refinery. I can tell you from first hand experience. 639 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.599 Rats don't fuck with like milled sugar. They fuck with sugarcane. Yeah, 640 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.200 but once it's milled and it's like raw state sugar, 641 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.880 before it's even cooked and processed raw sugar itself, you'll 642 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.079 have some but not a fucking epidemic like they were having. 643 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.759 Just build a fucking mill higher locals. 644 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.279 It's not a whole process refinery and it's gonna be 645 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.359 some horrible thing. It's literally like a big grinder to 646 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.839 do that. But well, I mean, were the eighteen hundreds, 647 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.799 they didn't know these things. They were trying to make 648 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:19.920 it happen as best they could. 649 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:20.160 You know. 650 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.359 Yeah, the mills, the mill were the slaves, bro, you 651 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.279 know what I mean, Like. 652 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.880 I mean, that's true, true, Wow. 653 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.680 If you really think about it, that's really what was 654 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.000 going on with that. But yeah, dude, that's like a dick. 655 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.200 I mean, you can only do so much. There wasn't 656 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.440 really heavy machinery, you know back in the what was 657 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:39.680 it eighteen eighties. 658 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.000 Well no, that was after the Civil War, so the 659 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.480 slaves were no longer a thing. However, they were really 660 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.400 fucking cruel to the local indigenous population that they had 661 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.079 hired for them. That's why they had to bring in 662 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.279 workers from Japan and all these places, because the local Hawaiians. 663 00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.559 Quote unquote didn't make good workers. 664 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.680 They were a proud people of long standing tribal traditions, 665 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:06.920 and these new white dudes are coming in trying to 666 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.079 work them like annabellum slaves, and they're like, I'm sorry, 667 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.880 you understand, we have a king, like, you know, we 668 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.039 are a proud people. Like what the fuck are you 669 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.440 talking about this shit? So they had to bring in 670 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.639 workers from other countries just to run these plantations, and 671 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.880 that pissed off the Hawaiian's even worse. It's a horrible, 672 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.480 horrible situation what happened to those islands. And then on 673 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:31.519 top of that, their native indigenous bird and plant population 674 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.719 fucked up because of the mongoose and they're still fighting it. 675 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.920 There's they don't have a cure for that problem to 676 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:37.440 this day. 677 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.079 It's probably why till this day, any time you go 678 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.920 out to Hawaii, the you know, the people that live there, 679 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:46.519 they're like, yes, please come visit. 680 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:46.760 You know. 681 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.920 That's kind of like how we're making our money is 682 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.880 by people who are coming and visiting and touring and 683 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.159 all that kind of stuff. But they're like, don't you 684 00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.280 dare fucking move here? Dude, don't don't do that, like 685 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.159 cause they'll I've heard stories people moving out to Hawaii 686 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.719 and the people that are like native there, that have 687 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.559 lived there for generations, they don't want nothing to do 688 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:07.159 with them. 689 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.119 Right, No, bro, Because here's the thing. 690 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.960 There's only so much square footage of an island, you 691 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.559 know what I'm saying. It's not like, uh, when the 692 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.039 city of Baton Rouge gets a little too overcrowded, a 693 00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.079 little too overpopulated, Oh you just moved to the next 694 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.519 town over and you just kind of push out and whatever. 695 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.400 There's only so much pushing that can. 696 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.079 Happen, which is a funny durable of. 697 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.679 A spot that push out. They can't afford to relocate. 698 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.440 Right right, well, which is funny because we you know, 699 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.960 well not we I wasn't there, but you know, uh, 700 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.119 after Hurricane Katrina, a bunch of people moved from New 701 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.679 Orleans and that whole area up to Baton Rouge and 702 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.440 dispersed out to Texas and stuff like that. But dude, 703 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.079 you hear so much about how Baton Rouge used to 704 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.239 be so different, and then Katrina happened and it completely, 705 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.039 like everybody was kind of all over the place and 706 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.079 it was just so packed and crowded. 707 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.679 Bat and Rouge. Bro how could I how can I 708 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:01.320 even put that? 709 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:08.079 Yeah, an exodus, a mass migration. People walked down I 710 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.679 tend from New Orleans two Baton Rouge because they had 711 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:18.239 no other options. Like, that's real shit, and that crisis 712 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:23.000 that I wouldn't say epidemic, but the overpopulation basically in 713 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.920 a matter of days that nobody was really ready or 714 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.199 prepped for. You know, that led to so much problems, 715 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.760 especially with criminal organizations that were fleeing as well. That 716 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.679 brought their rivalries to wherever they relocated to, if it 717 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.360 was even for a day or two, or if they 718 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.559 set up shop and now ran there, they brought those 719 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:46.519 old school rivalries with them. And all these people who 720 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.159 were innocent that were just trying to get help, a 721 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.920 lot of them were caught in the crossfire of all 722 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.960 that and were grouped in the same grouping as the trash. 723 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.840 And it was, oh my god, it was horrible. 724 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.599 Was it before or after Katrina? That bat and Rouge 725 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.960 at one point was the murder capital of the country. 726 00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:05.480 After that makes it after? 727 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.760 So here's and we talked about that on other shows before. 728 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.440 So New Orleans has something called a thirty day murdered trial. 729 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.320 They've had a long standing time. Basically, if you get 730 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.760 caught broad daylight shooting somebody, all right, you get arrested, cool, 731 00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.760 you're putting a holding cell for thirty days, and then 732 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.159 you appear before a judge. If no one is there 733 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.639 to testify against you, the case is dismissed and you're 734 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:33.039 free to go. And in inner city New Orleans, the 735 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.639 victim's family is gonna come and testify against you. 736 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.239 No, dude, Okay, they'll put you away, but your cousin. 737 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.239 Will come and gut them all down tonight and then 738 00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:42.480 he'll get released a month later. 739 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:43.880 That's that's how it runs. 740 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.880 So usually nobody is there to testify against you unless 741 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.400 you fucked up and killed somebody important, and usually you 742 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.480 just kind of do one month's since in jail and 743 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.400 you become a killer. And it became so endemic to 744 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.719 the culture that if you see anybody with the cross 745 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.480 tattoo right between their eyebrows, like, yeah, that's supposed to 746 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:04.400 be a green cross. 747 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:06.440 Take that with what you want, but that's supposed to 748 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.239 be five kills. 749 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.119 Oh, shit. 750 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.679 Yeah, they became like a whole thing. 751 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:17.599 Wow, that is crazy. Yeah, there's there's some Uh, there's 752 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.840 definitely like a lot of gangshit going down in New Orleans. 753 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.800 Oh yeah, No, there are certain neighborhoods that like, you 754 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.639 and I are not allowed to go in. We are white, 755 00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.519 we will be killed. We have no business down this street. 756 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.800 They know that, we know that. And it's not a 757 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.360 tourist spot. Like that's yeah, that's absolutely a place. 758 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.119 You just stick to Bourbon. We'll just stick to Bourbon streets. 759 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.239 But that's why I tell people when we're talking about 760 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.079 coming to New Orleans for a cult meet up and 761 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.639 some things like I want this, but like people need 762 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.320 to be aware of the fact that like you'll you 763 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.760 will hear gunshots. You're gonna hear that, right, It's very possible. 764 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.679 You see somebody get stabbed to death. It's possible. It's 765 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.480 not a guarantee. It's not a guarantee. Uh, you will 766 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:04.079 see uh, homeless people shooting up and like just full 767 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.159 fledged masturbating out there on the street. 768 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:07.880 Like you're gonna see it's New Orleans. 769 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.239 Oh you're gonna smell, You're gonna sell smell. Like all 770 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.920 of the worst sewer and puke that you can possibly 771 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.679 imagine walking down those streets, because for some reason it 772 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.000 just gets worse. It never gets better. 773 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.400 When you go down Bourbon Street. Assume you are walking 774 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.960 in a living urinal. I think that's a pretty decent 775 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:29.199 rule of thumb to follow. 776 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.559 Oh yeah, well, I mean think about it too. Even 777 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.519 during Marti grass so you're having millions of people come 778 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.079 from Marti Gras. There's not enough bathrooms most of those shops. 779 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.440 Most of the restaurants, you either have to pay to 780 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.559 use their restroom or you're just not allowed in, Like 781 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.599 you have to buy. You have to buy something in 782 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.800 the store and then maybe they'll let you use their bathroom. 783 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.760 So people just whip it out. Some people like I, dude, 784 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.119 I've gone with people like where the girls that I've 785 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.840 gone with, they'll just pull their pants down and just 786 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.239 find a corner somewhere alley and that's it. 787 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.400 Oh bro, The Shei Wei is a game changer for girls. 788 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.039 I'm not even just saying girls, I'm just saying like 789 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.360 everybody too, like everybody. That's that's really how New Orleans 790 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.880 is treated, because it's like, are you really worried about 791 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.440 making something worse that already smells like sewage. It's that's 792 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:17.920 kind of how a. 793 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.000 Treater cans that the episs and old beer cans. And 794 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.559 then we just continue on. That's me, you know, because 795 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.440 I'm a gentleman like that. Hey, if you gotta drop 796 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.639 a deuce and like, look, you just you gotta make 797 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.239 the odds ever be in your favor, you know what 798 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:32.320 I'm saying that that's on you. 799 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.039 But then you know what the shei wi is though? 800 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.880 That cup with a spout, Yeah, girl can standing up 801 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.199 like camping trips and stuff. 802 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:39.960 Cone looking thing, Yeah, yeah. 803 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.440 Yeah, that is the move at Maudie girl. That the 804 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.159 game changer for the ladies. 805 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.320 Uh yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it in use 806 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:48.679 before a couple of times. 807 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:50.960 It's fucking hilarious. 808 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.760 All right, So anyway back to the topic here about 809 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:58.800 human intervention reintroducing animal populations to areas, and then you 810 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.920 heard what he said. These days before this happens, a 811 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.880 lot of research is done to make sure that it's 812 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:04.480 a good fit. 813 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:06.920 Except that's not exactly the case. 814 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.079 We're gonna talk about some more recent examples of that 815 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.280 here in a moment. But talking about Hawaii made me 816 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.400 think of Louisiana, maybe think of the New Turette. And 817 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.119 we're gonna get to that here in a minute. We've 818 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.920 talked about it a few times, so this one's gonna 819 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.400 be just a little quick, down and dirty of it. 820 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:25.880 But did you know that Louisiana almost had a thriving 821 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:32.360 hippo population. I didn't so once upon a time, because 822 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.400 apparently hippo meat is eaten in like Australia and New 823 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.639 Zealand and Africa, and it's very comparable to beef, very 824 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.119 comparable to red meat, and it was seen as basically 825 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:46.159 like water cow, like a one hundred percent And so 826 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.239 the theory was in the eighteen hundreds, what if we 827 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.800 were to introduce some hippos to the Bayous of Louisiana, 828 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.719 maybe the Everglades of Florida, and we open up a 829 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:01.000 whole new industry of water cow, and this would be great. 830 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.199 There will be even more food, more production, more and 831 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.039 more more, because America is doing that shit in the 832 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:05.920 late eighteen hundred. 833 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.079 Mainly, I would say it's more of a swamp cow 834 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.880 because we already have a sea cow as the manatee. 835 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:10.639 You know. 836 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.960 Indeed, indeed, so I'm going to go and share the 837 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.719 screen one on another gain, and let's learn a little 838 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:23.079 bit about the crazy, ingenious plan to bring hippopotamus ranching 839 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:24.039 to America. 840 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.360 All Right, In the early years of the last century, 841 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.400 the US Congress considered a bold and ingenious plan that 842 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.880 would simultaneously solve two pressing problems, a national meat shortage 843 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.800 and a growing ecological crisis. The plan was this hippopotamus ranching. 844 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.480 Writer John Something talks with this article about his new article, 845 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.320 and Okay, I don't even need to read that bullshit, 846 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.480 all right, it says in the early years of the 847 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.480 last century, the US Congress considered a bold and ingenious 848 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.239 plan that would simultaneously solve the two problems. Hippos imported 849 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:02.119 from Africa and raised in the Bayous of Louisiana, proponents argued, 850 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.079 would provide a delicious new source of protein from meat 851 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.199 hungry nation. In the process, the animals would gobble up 852 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.880 the invasive water hyacinth with that was killing fish and 853 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.679 choking off waterways. It would be an epic win. When 854 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.719 a bill was introduced in Congress, and newspaper editorials extolled 855 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.320 the culinary virtues of Lake Cow Bacon. 856 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.119 Okay, okay, like, let's go ahead and pause it real quick, 857 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:28.199 because let's break. 858 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.760 It all down here. 859 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:33.000 The water hyacinth, Okay, that'd be the water lily. Anybody 860 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.519 in Louisiana and a lot of the Southern States know 861 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:41.000 this plant, which is it is a it's not it's evasive, 862 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.760 but it's not a foreign evasis species. 863 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.280 It's indigenous to this area. 864 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.719 And if it's not taken care of and regulated and 865 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.400 raked out of ponds, it will choke out the water 866 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.840 oxygen level. Right, the fish will die, the other planets 867 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.880 will die. It will literally choke out the life. So 868 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.119 that water hippos, right, they eat all kinds of vegetation 869 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:08.440 in the water, and they could just chomp this down. Meanwhile, 870 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.960 we harvest them, and again there's a lot of recipes 871 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.239 and things, but they're more. 872 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.039 Comparable to beef. 873 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.079 But all of the newspaper editorials kept running cow bacon 874 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.000 like water cow bacon. That became a whole synonymous thing 875 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.159 because of we're gonna get to it in a minute. 876 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.159 It's definitely click baity water cow bacon. I would try it. 877 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.000 In the eighteen eighties, if somebody told you the government 878 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:33.880 doesn't want you to know this. But they have water 879 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.079 cow bacon and they're about to bring to Louisiana. It's 880 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.000 gonna be the next big thing. 881 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.639 You'd be like, bro, wait wait wait what Yeah, yeah, 882 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.599 I would definitely try it. I always think of Madagascar, though, 883 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.960 every time I think of a hippo, it's like, uh, 884 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.679 whenever the Loriah the girl, Yeah, Gloria, she met the 885 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.920 she met the man, hippo, the boy, hippo whatever, and 886 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.320 he was all, you're dunking, Yeah, you're so fat, I 887 00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.920 love it, or something along the slock. 888 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.360 Yeah, that hippo was he knew what was up? 889 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:10.159 Like, yes, anyway. It says that this guy he is. 890 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.400 He describes the hippo ranching scheme and the story of 891 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.880 two fascinating men behind it, A modest frontiersman and a 892 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.840 soldier of fortune, the other a the other a self 893 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.639 aggrandizing con man. Both were spies, each was sworn to 894 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.320 kill each other, but the great cause of hippo ranching 895 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.360 brought them together. Oh it's a lovely communion. It says 896 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.320 what was going on in America at that time that 897 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.599 made hippopotamus ranching seem like a good idea. This guy 898 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.360 goes the dawn of hippopotamus ranching in America was nineteen ten. 899 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.039 There was a very serious meat shortage. There were peak 900 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.079 years of immigration, cities were exploding in The meat industry 901 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.719 was getting bigger and uglier, but it could not keep up. 902 00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.000 America had always solved its problems by moving west, but 903 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.840 now the frontier was closed. So it was a meat crisis, 904 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.599 but it was also kind of an identity crisis. And 905 00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.440 they asked, so, how were the hippos supposed to fix it? 906 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.400 This guy goes, well, the idea was that you could 907 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.800 harness land that wasn't productive for grazing cattle, like swamps 908 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.760 and bayous, So you'd transplant the hippos into these environments 909 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.320 that aren't totally unlike where they live in Africa. You 910 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.280 could suck up all the energy in what looks like 911 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.960 a wasteland and turn it into meat. At the same time, 912 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.599 there was a real problem with invasive water hyacinth plants. 913 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:25.039 There still is in fact, so in a Louisiana congressman 914 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.360 named Robert Brusard decided that he could solve the water 915 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.840 hyacinth problem by bringing in hippos to suck suck up 916 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.679 the plants. You were literally taking one problem and using 917 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.360 it to solve another problem. 918 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.639 Okay, real quick, say his last name again, Robert what Brusard? Okay, 919 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.840 you said it differently the first time, and the guy 920 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.159 in the video We're Gonna plan. 921 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:48.679 A second pronounces it that way too. 922 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.639 They're like, they're like Brusard, they put the emphasis on sard, 923 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.599 the emphasis goes on brew Brusard. 924 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.719 I mean tomato, fucking tomato, dude. 925 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.159 I know, it's one of those things. It's like it's 926 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.159 a Louisiana native that would pick up on that small thing. 927 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.760 But it's like, wait, how'd you say it? I mean, 928 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.960 you're not saying the words incorrectly at all. It's like 929 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.760 the inflection makes it weird. 930 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.440 You know what's weird is is that whenever I'm reading, 931 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:22.000 I read as if like I'm I come from maybe, 932 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.119 but I try and sound like I kind of know 933 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.840 what I'm talking about, Like I try and give that idea, 934 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.400 and so it's like I'm speaking a little bit more proper, 935 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:34.079 and so it's Brusaude not Brusard. 936 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.079 I agree, But like the guy in the video, I 937 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.960 think did the same thing, and it's it's crazy to 938 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.599 hear it. You know what I mean, I don't know 939 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.400 it just maybe it maybe it just made my ears 940 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.719 perk up, because not just you, others today i've heard him. 941 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.239 I'm like, why are they saying it like that? 942 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.960 But anyway, yeah, yeah, So anyway, the article is asking 943 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.159 this guy, he goes who else was involved in promoting this? Well, 944 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.880 Bruce has this congressional hearing and he needs expert witnesses. 945 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.760 The first is this geeky apple researcher. The other two 946 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:14.559 are Frederick Russell Burnham and Fritz Duquine. Fritz. We need 947 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.039 to bring that name back, dude, Fritz Fritz such a 948 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:24.880 solid name. Anyhow, Frederick Russell Burnham is this staggeringly impressive 949 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.800 and totally forgotten figure in history. The Boy Scouts were 950 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.360 founded in his image to create boys that were as 951 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.480 capable and honorable as him. He was the inspiration for 952 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.559 Indiana Jones. Oh, that's interesting. He was a freelance adventurer 953 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.159 who'd up and gone to Africa to fight for the 954 00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.840 British colonial lists because, like a lot of people at 955 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.159 the time, he thought this was a noble kind of 956 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:51.039 project to bring civilization to Africa. He was once described 957 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.840 as the most complete human being who ever lived. 958 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:59.199 What Wow, the most interesting man like back in the gap. 959 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:04.079 Sun sounds like it. So Fritz Dukane was a is 960 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:09.840 it bolt boor yeah boor boor okay, which are the 961 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.960 descendants of Dutch settlers in Africa. He was a really 962 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.320 slippery fellow. He moved through life in this cloud of aliases. 963 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.280 He was a virtuistic and ambitious con man. He fought 964 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.440 against the British and the Second Boer War. Like Burnham, 965 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.360 he was kind of a free ranging spy. Burnham once 966 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:32.400 called him the human epitome of sin and deception. That's 967 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.039 like too far different ends of the spectrum. You're talking 968 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.000 about the awesomest man who ever lived, and then also 969 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.800 like the human epitome of sin and deception. 970 00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.800 That's pretty crazy. Also that this dude was of Dutch descent. 971 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.400 This dude was of English descent, because if you look 972 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.440 at the East India Trading Company, in the Dutch India 973 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.000 Trading Company, they were some fierce competitors for a long time. 974 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.719 Africa was kind of their war ground. 975 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.480 So this is even this is further back on the 976 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.400 wow f Then most people could catch on first read 977 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:03.400 dog that's wild. 978 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.400 So during the Boer War, the two men were assigned 979 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.559 to kill each other, and so the article says, but 980 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.960 somehow the hippo plan brought them together, and he goes, 981 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.119 they had this real rivalry, but it's one of those 982 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.199 old fashioned rivalries where you honor your enemy. It seems 983 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.360 they never met in battle. And when they finally meet, 984 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.719 it's under the guise of being collaborators with Brusard on 985 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.320 this hippo plan based on their experiences in Africa. They're 986 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.760 going to start what's essentially a lobbying firm to drum 987 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.559 up donations from rich people as they do as they do. 988 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.760 Obviously this didn't come to pass, and you go into 989 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:45.719 what happened into your at a Tavis story, Okay, but 990 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.360 you have to wonder what if it had. The guy goes, well, 991 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.320 it's an interesting thought experiment. I've never tasted hippo, but 992 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.199 I've read many accounts that it's delicious. So that problem 993 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.400 is solved. But I don't know how feasible it would 994 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.360 have been, or what unintended ecological consequences there might have been. 995 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.880 We didn't get the hippos, but we're not starving. So 996 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.760 what happened to the meat crisis? What happened was the 997 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.079 very beginnings of industrial agriculture. Rather than bringing in new 998 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.119 animals that could take advantage of landscapes that didn't seem productive, 999 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.440 we basically engineered those landscapes into more pasture, and we 1000 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.679 packed more and more of the same kinds of animals 1001 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.599 onto that land. You can basically trace a straight line 1002 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.840 from this moment in nineteen ten, when another way i e. 1003 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.800 The hippopotamusis seemed possible to the solutions we have now, 1004 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.400 which are feed lots and confinement operations and all the 1005 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.800 attendant consequences in fallout. Interesting. 1006 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:38.039 Wow. 1007 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.320 Okay, so that's pretty much all we really need to 1008 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.760 read on that article. I will say that we need 1009 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.800 to look at that bill because this was pushed through. 1010 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.039 We almost were so. 1011 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.679 Fucked ladies and gentlemen, because, as you know, the article 1012 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.719 makes it sound, well, the hippos would have taken this 1013 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.360 land that is pretty much unusable and would have been 1014 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.559 able to produce meat, and it would have taken. 1015 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.480 Care of the water hyacinth, and it was this good idea, 1016 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:04.239 bub ba bup. 1017 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.239 Hippos are the deadliest animal on the globe or the 1018 00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.320 flat earth or whatever. They do not have any natural 1019 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.320 predators because they are so large. Yeah, some of the 1020 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.039 babies might get hit, but honestly not much because when 1021 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.159 you fuck with the baby, you get the mama. And 1022 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.679 there's no water aquatic type of predator anywhere in Africa 1023 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:28.480 that fucks with them. 1024 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.880 So they just get larger than life and ruin everything. 1025 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.639 Oh yeah, yeah, these are the people that take up 1026 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.400 three seats on an airplane. 1027 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:38.480 Ah fuck whole row. 1028 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:43.239 Yes, and they're like Lizo about it. They're fat and 1029 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.559 they want you to know. They want you uncomfortable. They 1030 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.320 want you to know they're not going to the gym, 1031 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.639 and fat is beautiful and bute, bute, it's that. Yeah, 1032 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.920 but they're also trying to eat your boat and kill 1033 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.719 you because again, the deadliest animal on earth. And in 1034 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:02.280 this timeframe nineteen ten, they got so close that there 1035 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.079 was actually an American. 1036 00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.280 Hippo bill that was proposed before Congress. 1037 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.599 They were voting on that if they should or should not, 1038 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.119 and it got fucking close to wow. 1039 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.960 So Bruceard argued the hippopotamuses would eat the invasive water 1040 00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.480 hyacinth that was clogging the rivers and also help produce 1041 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.280 I'm sorry, also produce meat to help solve a meat 1042 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.480 shortage in the United States. The chief collaborators and proponents 1043 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.280 of bruce ARD's bill were Major Frederick Russell Burnham and 1044 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.679 Captain Fritz Dukane. Former President Teddy Roosevelt back to plan 1045 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.760 and as did the United States Department of Agriculture, The 1046 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.599 Washington Post the New York Times, which praised hippopotamus meat 1047 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:47.599 as lake col Bacon William Newton Irwin, a researcher for 1048 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.960 the United States Department of Agriculture recruited by Bruceard, told 1049 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.599 Congress that the bill could add one million tons of 1050 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.079 meat to yearly American supply, and further suggested that more 1051 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.840 erotic animals should be imported for the same purpose, including exotic. 1052 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.519 What did I say erotic? Oh, where's my mind? 1053 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:09.400 I just when you said, I was like, I know, 1054 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.320 he didn't catch it, but everybody else did. 1055 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.639 I'm sure exotic ladies and gentlemen. 1056 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:17.239 Sorry, it's been a minute, but anyway, it says uh. 1057 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.000 So they wanted to import more animals, including the Of course, 1058 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.119 I probably saw erotic because I saw dick Dick. 1059 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.519 Yeah, the dick dicks, a little tiny deer. 1060 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.679 The tic tick. What a fucked up name? Uh so, 1061 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:38.559 the dig dicks, the rhinoceroses, American buffalo or African buffalo, 1062 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.519 Tibetan yaks, and Manchurian pigs. These are all the animals 1063 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:46.239 that they wanted to introduce to America. It says, although 1064 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.000 the American hippo build developed a broad base of support, 1065 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.320 it was never passed by the United States Congress. 1066 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.599 And for the record, if anybody would like to see 1067 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.440 an example of what would have happened if this went through. 1068 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:03.280 Have you heard about Pablo Escobar's cocaine hippos? I have, yeah, Okay, 1069 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.599 all right, good, we're gonna talk about them here at 1070 00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.119 the end. But you know what, let's go ahead and 1071 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.480 listen to this little vigia here. It's only four minutes 1072 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.440 forty nine seconds. Shout out to Tidewater Teddy, and I 1073 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.199 think there's a pretty excellent video showing the entire process 1074 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.400 of the hippos in Louisiana and how close we were 1075 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.920 to being unable to use the Mississippi River pretty much 1076 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:26.400 ever again, which is a huge source of trade for 1077 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:30.119 our country. And we were this close to hippos growing 1078 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.519 to the size they want in the Mississippi River and 1079 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.840 just fucking up everything, but here we go. 1080 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.360 In nineteen ten, the United States was facing dual crises. 1081 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.599 In one corner, invasive water highacins. We're choking American waterways 1082 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:50.480 in the Gulf States, blocking shipping and eliminating fish. In 1083 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:54.079 the other corner, America was facing a major meat shortage 1084 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.440 after butting heads with the Meat Trust. In a desperate 1085 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:01.639 attempt to restore order, US Representative Robert F. Brussard of 1086 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.159 Louisiana was willing to try anything with the help of 1087 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.119 these two guys, Russell Burnham and Captain Fritz Dukins, as 1088 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.760 well as two guys from the Department of Agriculture. Broussard 1089 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.519 proposed importing wild and domestic animals from around the world 1090 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.800 into America, though in as House Resolution two three six 1091 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.079 two to one, or the American Hippo Bill, the bill 1092 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.360 would have authorized the importation of hippos and a bunch 1093 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:30.679 of other African animals to the United States, specifically the 1094 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.840 Gulf States that were plagued by water hyacinth. In theory, 1095 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.559 this bill would kill two mosquitoes with one swat, the 1096 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.239 hippos would eat the water hyacinth, and the Americans would 1097 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.199 eat the hippos to butter up American appetites to this 1098 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.840 new strange animal. The men compared hippos to bacon, a 1099 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.199 product that's irresistible to many Americans. A year prior, at 1100 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:59.079 a meeting of the American Breeders Association, hippos were described 1101 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:03.480 using the South Africa can term zico spick or lake 1102 00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:08.159 cow bacon, and in Broussard's own statement, he says that 1103 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:14.599 hippos in Africa are made into bacon and used as bacon. Presumably, 1104 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.519 under this new bill, Americans would have been eating hippo 1105 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.679 bacon alongside their pancakes every morning. Of course, not everyone 1106 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.320 was swayed by the idea of hippo bacon, and Charles F. Scott, 1107 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.599 the chairman of the Committee of Agriculture, had a lot 1108 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.800 of questions. He wanted to know whether hippos were easily domesticated, 1109 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.159 whether they would become a pest if let lose, how 1110 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.880 much they would breed, how they would taste, whether white 1111 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.000 men like them. Yeah, that was a serious question back then, 1112 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.920 because all these dudes were white, how big they get, 1113 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.119 what they eat, and the logistics behind confining them to 1114 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.519 rivers and streams. Some answers seem to be based on 1115 00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.000 anecdotal evidence rather than scientific evidence, but for the most 1116 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:05.920 part the answers were pretty straightforward. Naturally, the press went insane, 1117 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.360 and the headlines were even more so. The focus was 1118 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.360 mostly on whether or not the reader could stomach hippomte, 1119 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.920 although some papers did highlight the water hyacinth issue. In 1120 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.480 the end, the American Hippo Bill barely failed to pass, 1121 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.199 and that was probably for the best. First Off, hippos 1122 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:29.880 are insanely aggressive and they can and do kill anyone 1123 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.239 wandering in their territory, So if you wanted to paddle 1124 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:37.920 a canoe in the bayou, you'd be in serious trouble. Secondly, 1125 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:42.239 it's usually not a good idea to introduce non native 1126 00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.280 species to a new environment. Just like how the water hyacinth, 1127 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.440 which is native to the Amazon Basin, took over American waterways, 1128 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.280 hippos could have also become invasive. I mean, you're solving 1129 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.280 a problem with another problem. Here's an example in Colombia, 1130 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:02.239 for hippos owned by Infanta drug lord Pablo Escobar were 1131 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.199 left on his estate after his death in nineteen ninety three. 1132 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.800 By two thousand and seven, these hippos had multiplied to 1133 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:14.239 sixteen and By twenty twenty, their population had exploded to 1134 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:20.199 over ninety hippos. Now these feral Colombian hippos are harassing fishermen, 1135 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.480 killing cattle, and frightening villagers. 1136 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:24.480 Yikes. 1137 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:30.119 Lastly, since water hyacinths are South American plants, how could 1138 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.440 these men have expected African hippos to eat them? Nowadays, 1139 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:39.159 water hyacinths have evaded many other continents, including Africa, and 1140 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.480 hippos are not known to eat them there. Maybe these 1141 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.400 dudes just assumed hippos would eat any type of aquatic plant. 1142 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:46.119 I don't know. 1143 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:50.519 Anyways, that's the story of how hippos were almost introduced to. 1144 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:55.159 America, So let's just talk about that, shall we. Dude. 1145 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.159 So I was looking up pictures of them and what like. 1146 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.719 I I mainly really just wanted to see what a 1147 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.079 baby hippo look like because I imagine that, Oh they're adorable, 1148 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.440 really cute. So I want to share this right here, 1149 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.760 Look at this fat little baby hippo. 1150 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.199 Dude. 1151 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.480 Oh no, baby hippos are like the cutest things almost ever. 1152 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.320 That is freaking adorable. 1153 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:16.719 You know what? 1154 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.880 They kind of they kind of look like uh snorlax, 1155 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:20.679 the pokemon. 1156 01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.360 I think that he might have been based off of it, 1157 01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:24.719 or at least some of it. 1158 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.440 But yeah, would god look at the size of that 1159 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:28.679 fucking beast. 1160 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.880 That's what I'm saying. And so here's the deal. They 1161 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.280 get so big they can't be on land for long. 1162 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.239 That's why they're aquatic. They literally have to be in 1163 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.679 water because their legs will snap if they're on land 1164 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:39.199 for too long. 1165 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:40.840 Oh my god. 1166 01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.960 They mainly live in the water, which means they get 1167 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.480 as big as the water will allow them to get, 1168 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.880 which I mean, you know, sky's the limit, so to speak. 1169 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:51.119 There is there is a limit. 1170 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:52.800 I'm not saying you'll see one the size of like 1171 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.880 a eighteen willer, but I mean maybe one day, I 1172 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.239 don't know. 1173 01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:55.719 I don't know. 1174 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.440 But it says they live forty to fifty years. That's 1175 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:00.239 pretty long time. 1176 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.199 Oh dude. Yes, that's why there's such a problem. 1177 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.039 And in Africa, certain rivers you just don't boat down 1178 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.920 because you know that they're a problem. Now you talk 1179 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.960 about this the water hyacinth. Come to find out, they 1180 01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.360 didn't even eat it. They had no idea. They were 1181 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.440 just going off of it because they eat all kinds 1182 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:18.599 of water plant life. 1183 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:19.760 Bu bah buh. It's all good. 1184 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.719 If they would have done that, we would have been 1185 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.960 fucked and still had the highestcinth problem. 1186 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.559 And now we have a hippo problem. 1187 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.440 Dude, I'm looking up how how big they can get 1188 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:36.360 in The largest documented hippo ever was ten thousand pounds 1189 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.039 and sixteen feet tall. 1190 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.480 Like longly, thousand pounds has five tons of an animal. 1191 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.360 Look at how many deaths just off top how many 1192 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:50.880 deaths did hippopotami account for in twenty twenty three. You know, 1193 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:52.920 I just have a weird feeling. It's a lot more 1194 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:53.920 than people are expecting. 1195 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:55.559 I'm sure it is. 1196 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.199 I mean, and did you know they also sweat pink. 1197 01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.440 I know that's a random fat them, but their sweat 1198 01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.000 is pink. Their milk is pink. 1199 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:04.800 That's where we get the meat glue from. 1200 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:12.199 It's hippopotamus sweat. It has to be, actually, and I 1201 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.639 looked into it. As far as hippo steak goes, every 1202 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.400 review says that it's fucking delicious and like it is 1203 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.000 a thing. So I'm excited to try someone day. 1204 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.000 Honestly, Oh yeah, I'd definitely take a bite to that. 1205 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.119 I mean, I've eaten gator. I mean, what's the difference. 1206 01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.039 Really, I'm gonna be honest with you. 1207 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.199 I feel like if they would have been released in Louisiana, 1208 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.559 we as Cajuns could have handled that problem, knowing that 1209 01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:34.719 it's water steak. 1210 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:35.960 Oh yeah, don't. 1211 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.760 Oh yeah, Well I looked up how many deaths that 1212 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:44.519 they're typically known to cause annually, and so the just 1213 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.639 for a little bit of compare and contrast here, a 1214 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.559 lion causes about twenty two deaths a year annually, right, right. 1215 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.320 Because humans are not on their food chain, right. 1216 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:57.719 They have to go out of their way or be 1217 01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:59.920 fucked with by humans in order to have that happen. 1218 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.119 A hippo causes five hundred human deaths a year. Ah, dude, 1219 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:07.760 imagine death by hippo. 1220 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:12.159 Fuck that they're drowning you while they're crushing you. 1221 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.119 Oh my god, what an absolute hell idea. 1222 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:21.519 So thankfully, and it said it barely didn't pass. I forget. 1223 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:22.400 I looked up the numbers. 1224 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:23.880 I wish I would have pulled that article up, but 1225 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:28.199 it was like, I think, like fourteen votes was the 1226 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.360 deciding And that's how split it was of people saying 1227 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.480 yay or nate to this. We were that close to 1228 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:38.039 having a hippo evasive species problem all throughout Louisiana and 1229 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.199 Florida on top of the other shit we have going on. 1230 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:44.119 Yeah, the trademarket definitely would still be trying to grow 1231 01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:45.119 right now. 1232 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:50.920 Ah, And I honestly am in a small way bummed 1233 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.880 that we couldn't like domesticate them and successfully do it 1234 01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.719 without them running rampant, because, dude, water steak sounds awesome. 1235 01:03:57.760 --> 01:03:59.760 You're telling me gator hunting is a thing, But we 1236 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.320 could do hippo hunting and like hippo trapping and shit, 1237 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:04.400 that sounds fun. 1238 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:06.320 It says that you can get it, like you can 1239 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.039 get it imported from other countries and stuff. And then 1240 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.920 I saw like another question that somebody asked if you 1241 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:17.079 could if you could import giraffe meat, and that sounds 1242 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.239 I don't know if I would want to do that, 1243 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.880 but why it's a fucking giraffe. It's awesome. 1244 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.880 No, but you all right, So there's these hunts that 1245 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.960 go down, right, these guided hunts, Uh, these big wealthy 1246 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.760 doctors and stuff. They'll pay ten thousand dollars to kill 1247 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.440 a giraffe right right, and it's seen as like horrible 1248 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:36.280 for the species. 1249 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:37.880 However, if you look at how they're doing it. 1250 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:41.519 They're calling the herd certain species, especially giraffe, when they 1251 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.400 get older they're like, you know, fourteen years old or whatever, 1252 01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.559 it will like start fucking up and killing the young 1253 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.440 males that are like coming of age of breeding age 1254 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.920 to dominate the herd. So if they don't kill this 1255 01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:57.840 one giraffe, this herd might stop growing, you know what 1256 01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:58.159 I mean. 1257 01:04:58.199 --> 01:04:59.559 I'm not sure that they're managing. 1258 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.400 Yeah, I'm sure that that is a thing. But also 1259 01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:06.599 like those African hunts are fogged, dude, Like if you 1260 01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:09.320 really look into it, like at all, it's like it 1261 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:13.400 is absolutely you think about it. Those people that own 1262 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:18.199 those those lands for that, yeah, they're making shitloads of money. 1263 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.239 And they're just pennies. 1264 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.199 It's how are they making pennies? 1265 01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:23.239 Hold on? Hold on? 1266 01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.719 And I'm not saying, oh, there is some horribly illegal 1267 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:29.039 hunting poaching things going on, for sure, but the guided 1268 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.159 hunts that are put on by the countries and by 1269 01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.199 the tribes and everything, they're done like for that purpose 1270 01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.039 of trying to preserve the wildlife call herds. That's why, 1271 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:40.719 like we talked about with hunting with wildlife management, it's 1272 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.000 done with that ethos and all of the money that 1273 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.000 spent on that trip gets put into the country. 1274 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:50.000 All, well, I guess if it's done that efforts. Yeah, yeah, 1275 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.360 I'm not going to complain about that, but yeah it is. 1276 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:54.079 It is pretty crazy. But they were saying that you 1277 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.840 actually can get giraffe meat imported into the United States. 1278 01:05:57.880 --> 01:05:59.039 There's no laws against that. 1279 01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.480 Looking into it immediately, I don't know how expensive it is, 1280 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:04.000 though I'm not paying more than I am for like 1281 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.320 wag you you know what I'm saying, like per pound, 1282 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:08.039 like within limits. 1283 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:08.679 I don't know. 1284 01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:10.800 I'll eat I'll eat a hippo, not a giraffe. Though 1285 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.800 I can't do that. I like, I still feel weird 1286 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.559 eating lamb. Dude, Well, let me ask you this. 1287 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:16.599 Let me ask you this. 1288 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:19.320 As we're talking about that, would you ever consider eating 1289 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:20.800 ostrich meat? 1290 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.360 Oh yeah, it's a fucking bird. You Yeah, it's a bird. 1291 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:23.920 It's a bird. 1292 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.079 Even if it's more comparable to like a steak type situation. 1293 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:29.960 That entices me even more. 1294 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.400 Okay, but the hippo meat doesn't. 1295 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.119 Oh no, I'll happily eat hippo meat. 1296 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:36.719 Okay. 1297 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:37.599 I get that. 1298 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:38.559 Sounds like we're doing this. 1299 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.079 It sounds like we're gonna start ordering things and trying them, 1300 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.039 and that's gonna be a Patreon exclusive because now you 1301 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.280 know me as a cage and I must eat everything 1302 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.280 and at least try the worlds or dervs. This is 1303 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.239 just another another chink in that bro. We got to 1304 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:54.840 do it all right, Yeah, I'm down. Let's do it 1305 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:55.960 fucking right. 1306 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:56.320 Okay. 1307 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.920 So we almost another example of trying to fuck with 1308 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.239 the circle of life, the natural order of things in 1309 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:10.480 certain biomes, trying to make money essentially, and thankfully this 1310 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:12.960 one was shot down. That would have been a really 1311 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.519 bad situation. And in my studies of all this, I 1312 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:21.880 learned about the Ostrich farming situation that happened in the nineties. 1313 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.519 Do you remember this at all, Jonathan, I know we 1314 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.880 talked about a little bit on the trip. 1315 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.280 Yeah, yeah, just from what you've told me. 1316 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.559 Okay, Cause gonna be honest, I didn't know too terribly 1317 01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.199 much about it, and I'm very glad that I learned 1318 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.400 about it, because you know, I was talking about maybe 1319 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.639 doing a farm at some point, and like things that 1320 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:42.440 would be a good source of protein and living standards 1321 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.280 and what's a good feed to output of protein all that. 1322 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.639 Come to find out, I'm not the first person to 1323 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:48.360 think about that. 1324 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.039 And as I was looking at species of animals that 1325 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.679 don't necessarily belong there, and do they get evasive in 1326 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.039 all these things, that led me to the Ostrich farming 1327 01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.119 situation from America. And that let me think about the 1328 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.000 Emu war of Australia that they lost. The nation lost 1329 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.360 the war to a bunch of birds, just saying. 1330 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.039 Dude, emos are kind of scary though if they're chasing. 1331 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.239 You, oh, no doubt. 1332 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.679 But like they have machine guns and bombers and they 1333 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.279 still have not won the war against the EMUs. 1334 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:18.640 They had to build a fucking wall. 1335 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:22.760 I mean, yeah, it probably it shouldn't take that long 1336 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.720 to try and figure out how to defeat fucking birds. 1337 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:29.199 But it's yeah, it's I mean, it's pretty funny. 1338 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.680 Actually it is fucking hilarious. But then, okay, okay, so 1339 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.079 back to the Ostrich farming in America. Let me play 1340 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:38.000 this little clip here from Andrew Fraser that talks more 1341 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:39.560 about it more intelligently than I. 1342 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.720 As far as I've known, Ostrich has been a failed 1343 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:52.199 meat In the early nineteen nineties, a new farming christ 1344 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:56.520 swept across the United States, hand Australia, a craze that 1345 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:01.319 promised a revolution in agriculture, a sustainable alternative to traditional 1346 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:05.760 livestock farming. This was the dawn of the ostrich industry. 1347 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.680 At first glance, ostrich farming seemed like a brilliant idea. 1348 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:14.600 The meat was remarkably similar to beef, leaner, lower in cholesterol, 1349 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.359 and higher in protein. In a world that was increasingly 1350 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:22.800 concerned with environmental sustainability, ostrich meat appeared to be a 1351 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:28.359 perfect solution. Ostriches were highly efficient animals. They had feed 1352 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.600 conversion ratios that were far better than that of beat. 1353 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:34.960 In simple words, you put in less feed, but you'd 1354 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:38.359 get the same amount of meat out. The efficiency extended 1355 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:42.920 beyond feed. Ostriches also required far less water, They were 1356 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:47.159 less environmentally impactful, they required less land, They had lower 1357 01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:51.880 carbon footprints, and this combination of efficiency meant less environmental 1358 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:56.479 impact and for farmers the potential for significantly higher profits. 1359 01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.880 Lower impro costs, less feed, less water, less land. Compared 1360 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.159 with a product that could be marketed as both sustainable 1361 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.960 and healthy, it seemed like a recipe for success. Add 1362 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.600 to that, the multiple revenue streams from feathers, leather, and 1363 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:17.079 even the eggs. Ostridge farming was poised to be the 1364 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:23.479 next big thing in agriculture, thing in agriculture. 1365 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:26.279 And boom it did. 1366 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.880 In the United States alone, the number of ostridge farms exploded, 1367 01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.359 with as many as two thousand and five hundred to 1368 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.680 three thousand farms by nineteen ninety five. Texas became a hotspot, 1369 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:44.319 with vast lands being repurposed to house these towering birds. 1370 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.119 The trend wasn't confined to America. Australia saw over one 1371 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.119 thousand ostriche or emu farms spring up during the same period. 1372 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.520 And they still couldn't win the war against them. But 1373 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.600 they're gonna form them now. But all right, all right, 1374 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.119 we're gonna keep going. But just I just want to 1375 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:04.159 make that mention. That's fucking ridiculous. But all right, if 1376 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:05.720 you can't beat I'm joining them, my guest boys. 1377 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:11.159 Investors poured in buying up breeding pairs at astronomical prices. 1378 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:14.239 A breeding pair of ostriches in the US could fetch 1379 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:19.760 between thirty and eighty thousand dollars. In Australia, prices were 1380 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.479 lower but still significant, ranging from twenty thousand to fifty 1381 01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:28.439 thousand aud even in use a smaller, non relative but 1382 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:33.720 similar looking bird saw similar speculative investment. Breeding pairs went 1383 01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:36.720 for ten to twenty five thousand dollars in the US 1384 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:40.479 and a similar amount in Australia. The market was estimated 1385 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:43.920 to be worth over two billion globally by ninety six, 1386 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:48.640 driven by the combination of speculation, high hopes, and the 1387 01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.760 belief that ostridge meat would soon be a common sight 1388 01:11:51.880 --> 01:12:00.000 in supermarkets and on restaurant menus worldwide. But as quickly 1389 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:04.199 as the industry rose, it began to crumble. The first 1390 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:08.079 cracks appeared in the form of consumer demand, or rather 1391 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.279 the complete lack there of it. Despite all the promise, 1392 01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:15.439 ostrich meat remained a niche product. The industry had failed 1393 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.239 to educate the public on its benefits, and without a 1394 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:21.840 strong consumer base, the market couldn't sustain the prices that 1395 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:24.399 had been set during the boom. And then there was 1396 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.880 the reality of farming ostriches. These were not just feathered cattle. 1397 01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:33.439 They were faster, smarter, and more difficult to manage. Ostriches 1398 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:36.640 could run at speeds of up to forty five miles 1399 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:40.199 per hour, making them a challenge to contain. They were 1400 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.920 prone to stress, which could severely impact the growth and reproduction. 1401 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:48.239 Many farmers found themselves underprepared for the unique challenges of 1402 01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:52.720 ostrich farming, which led to high mortality rates and increased costs. 1403 01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:58.239 As more and more farms open, the market became oversaturated, 1404 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:03.560 the speculative bubble and prices for breeding pairs plummeted. Farms 1405 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:06.680 that had once been seen as the future of agriculture 1406 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.119 was suddenly struggling to just even stay afloat, and by 1407 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:13.680 the late nineties, the ostrich industry. 1408 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:14.720 It had largely collapsed. 1409 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:18.520 Thousands of farms were abandoned, and the investors who had 1410 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:22.319 sunk fortunes into breeding pairs and the infrastructure were left 1411 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:23.560 with little to show for it. 1412 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:29.920 Okay, so that's a whole conspiracy in and of itself, 1413 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:34.199 to be honest with you. You had all these investors, these 1414 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:37.760 farmers that were being told by somebody, by some group 1415 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:40.359 that ostrich meet was going to be the next big thing. 1416 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.239 There's a sound investment. This is a look. 1417 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.199 The government don't want you to know this, but ostriches 1418 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.359 are on the right. It was that whole thing just 1419 01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:51.760 to get fucked in the end. And then, as we 1420 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:53.399 saw in that one clip, but I actually did more 1421 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.600 digging on it. Bird flew You remember that pandemic that 1422 01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.560 took off. Yeah, yeah, a lot of the government officials 1423 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.600 came and just slaughtered people's whole herds, which at that 1424 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:05.000 point the farmers didn't care. 1425 01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:06.439 They couldn't sell the meat. 1426 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:08.920 They weren't making money off the leather anything else, because 1427 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:09.800 I mean the market was. 1428 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.000 Already so saturated that it was whatever. 1429 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.720 Well they did that during they did that during covids 1430 01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:15.159 as well. 1431 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.119 They did but I'm saying this was bird flu was 1432 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.800 the early two thousands. So this problem became a thing 1433 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.600 in the mid nineties and then about a decade later, 1434 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.960 low key under the radar, no one. I didn't even 1435 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.560 know that ostrich farming was a thing in America. 1436 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.359 I mean I imagined that it was somewhere, because I 1437 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:36.680 know that people eat ostrich. 1438 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.279 I mean I assumed that, yes, just like there's more 1439 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.560 tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in the wild. 1440 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.319 I assumed that some Americans be doing American shit and 1441 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.880 have ostrich farms, yes, like the small amounts. I didn't 1442 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:53.800 realize that there was ever some sort of a prospective booming. 1443 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:55.439 Ostrich industry in this country. 1444 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:59.279 Now, that is an example from what I can tell of, like, 1445 01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:02.640 ostrichs have a fucked up ecosystems because, if anything, they 1446 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.479 have a much like we said, smaller carbon footprint. 1447 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.640 They require less water, less feed so. 1448 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:10.920 And they don't have any predators that we need to 1449 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.399 worry about in our environment. They are not predators themselves. 1450 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:17.800 So that was one where it wasn't a bad integration. 1451 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.680 It was just a good initiative, bad judgment. You see 1452 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:22.199 what I'm saying. 1453 01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.960 Oh yeah, dude. And you know it's so funny, dude, 1454 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.319 just watching them run like that. That is hilarious because 1455 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.000 they keep their neck all straight, their head up that 1456 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:34.000 it's like they're proud and they're proper, and they're also 1457 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:35.000 hauling ass. 1458 01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.279 Yeah, dude. And ostrich racing is a thing. Have you 1459 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:38.720 seen that. 1460 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:40.479 Where people get on the back of them. 1461 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:43.680 Yeah, yeah, full on jockeys like on horses, and they 1462 01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:45.079 just take off on these birds. 1463 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:47.159 Man, dude, it's awesome. I want to ride one. 1464 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.600 And then you're gonna say, dude, ostrich legs are strong. 1465 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.039 That's why the meat is so good and so large. 1466 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.319 Those ostrich legs are meant to potentially kill lions. 1467 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.680 Yeah, I mean, whenever they showed the picture of the 1468 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.039 Ostrich meat cooked, I was like, oh my god, that 1469 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:04.760 looks good. 1470 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:06.960 Oh dude, if you want to, I'll send you the 1471 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.680 link to that video because in Vietnam right now, that 1472 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.039 video is about why Ostrich meat is on the rise 1473 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.000 in Vietnam. There's like a whole breakfast dish where you 1474 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:17.720 do something with the Ostrich egg something with the Ostrich steak. 1475 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.439 It's steaking eggs but from Ostrich and it looks delicious. 1476 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:24.960 Do you look at this massive turkey leg situation. 1477 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.199 Homeboy just cooked it in a big ass walk and 1478 01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:28.199 it took forever to cook. 1479 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:28.960 But that's a part of it. 1480 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:32.399 And I'm just like, bro, I would not be mad 1481 01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.239 at one day when I have a farm having an 1482 01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.760 ostrich er too. You know what I'm saying. Those eggs 1483 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:40.439 are very huge. They produce up to sixty a year. 1484 01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:44.119 They have no natural predators on this continent, so I'm 1485 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.520 not worried about that. And if I get tired of 1486 01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:48.760 them running, you know, you just fucking dust rolled a 1487 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:51.520 ass and you cook you a whole Thanksgiving like yo, 1488 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.680 like a four x four Thanksgiving. 1489 01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:57.560 Oh one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean it's way more 1490 01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.680 meat than a Turkey. I mean, how many turkey goes 1491 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.159 into an Ostrich you think. 1492 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:06.680 I would think probably four or. 1493 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.960 Five, right, right? And you know, as a matter of fact, 1494 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:13.439 I'm looking there's a website called American Ostrich Farms. 1495 01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:15.079 Yo. I found him. 1496 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.359 He has a whole YouTube channel, and I was looking 1497 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:19.720 him into him as we were doing these things. Apparently 1498 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.439 there's one of the Ostrich farms that were able to 1499 01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:26.720 withstand the crash of the projected industry, and they were 1500 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.159 able to corner a good section of the market early. 1501 01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:31.920 So a lot of the leather comes from them, the eggs, 1502 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:34.439 the feathers. They've kind of I'm not saying cornered the 1503 01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:37.239 American market, but they're doing their thing. 1504 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:38.279 They're killing it. 1505 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:42.039 It does look a bit more expensive. So it's like 1506 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.119 they have the Ostrich inside strip which is sixty dollars, 1507 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:50.520 the Ostrich tenderloin which is sixty dollars, Ostrich fan filays 1508 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:53.079 that are forty five dollars. But that's a little bit 1509 01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:56.079 of a smaller chunk of meat. I don't know how. 1510 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.600 That's one steak or is that per pound. We'll be talking. 1511 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:03.119 It's looking like, okay, so the just for example, what 1512 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:06.880 looks to be like a steak is the Ostrich inside strip, 1513 01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:08.479 and it says, oh, share the screen I want to 1514 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:12.600 see Okay, yeah, it's it's pretty nice website. Actually look fair. 1515 01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:15.640 I mean I really want to order some Ostrich steak 1516 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:16.600 and see what's up, brother. 1517 01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.520 So it says alongside the fan, this is the most 1518 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.439 premium cut available. Okay, so this is the most expensive 1519 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:25.680 part of the Ostrich. Inside strips are packaged as whole 1520 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:31.039 intact fu lays and weigh approximately three three quarters to 1521 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:34.359 one and a quarter pounds each. 1522 01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:38.279 See, I'm trying to buy the whole Ostrich like processed. 1523 01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:39.800 I would reach out to them and be like, yo, 1524 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.439 get me a fat one and let me ship me 1525 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.920 all of it already processed and cut up and everything, 1526 01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:46.960 the same way I want to do with a cow, 1527 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.039 same way I want to do with a pig. If 1528 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.239 you do this right, bro, you only have to buy 1529 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:53.399 meat like one time for the year. 1530 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:54.880 Yeah, it says right here, you can get the whole 1531 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:57.800 Ostrich leg for three hundred dollars, but it's on sale. 1532 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.319 It's typically six hundred. 1533 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:02.560 Look at the size of that though, dude, that's the 1534 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:04.159 small section right. 1535 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:09.239 Yeah, I mean Ostrich burgers that sounds good. Twenty bucks 1536 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.920 for is that one burger? Sink your teeth into a 1537 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:19.319 supremely satisfying burger? Uh? Okay, so one pound is twenty dollars. Okay, 1538 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:21.680 so that's about me one burger if you eat a 1539 01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:25.159 big boy burger, yeah, or maybe two if you want 1540 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.079 a little you want a double quarter pounder. You know 1541 01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:27.479 what I mean. 1542 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.720 But I mean they're not selling this as like a 1543 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.079 cheaper alternative. They're selling this as premium cuts, which like 1544 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:35.720 mad respect, mad respect, But if I was going to 1545 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.520 have a farm, you can have a couple of cows 1546 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.239 for this yo Ostrich wing? 1547 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.079 Bo, what part of the wing is that small? 1548 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.199 On an Ostrich? What are they talking? Are They just 1549 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:46.960 took a big ass wing piece and like chunked it. 1550 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.800 Up And it says each Ostrich wing is cut in 1551 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.760 half to fit it to fit in reasonably sized packages. 1552 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.319 The package contains at least two pieces with a total 1553 01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:58.920 weight of approximately one to one and a half pounds 1554 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:00.239 for fifteen bucks. 1555 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.079 So two wings is about one and a half to 1556 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:04.359 two pounds of meat. 1557 01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:07.199 Wow. Oh they have rib chops. 1558 01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:07.439 Uh. 1559 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.720 I'm telling you, like I want to know what this 1560 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:13.000 is about. I might reach out and see how much 1561 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:14.359 it is to process a whole bird. 1562 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:19.199 I have never looked into ostrich meat, but I am 1563 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:20.199 definitely enticed. 1564 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:23.199 Oh dude, I'm And I was already kind of looking 1565 01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:27.600 into this because I was looking at getting some land 1566 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:30.279 a couple of years ago, and thank god I didn't honestly, 1567 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:33.039 there was that land flooded and I didn't know it 1568 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:36.079 was gonna flood, so whatever. But I was looking at 1569 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.119 how to get it approved for a rural development loan, 1570 01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:42.359 and I was thinking about what kind of livestock would 1571 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:44.199 I be able to have to call it a farm 1572 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.079 to get those tax credits in all those things. And 1573 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.359 I was just perusing, as I do, into the Google 1574 01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:54.079 verse of animals that are not that hard to maintain, 1575 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.119 that don't cost that much to upkeep, that also you 1576 01:20:57.159 --> 01:20:57.560 can eat. 1577 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.439 I was, you know, pragmatic, as my add brain does. 1578 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:04.640 I stumbled into the ostrich farming stuff. But I didn't 1579 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.600 spend a lot of time there because in theory, like yo, 1580 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:09.960 that's dope, and then like yo, I don't want that 1581 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.800 thing to be able to take off at forty five 1582 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:13.800 miles an hour away from me when I'm trying to 1583 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:16.199 like that's if it gets out like I'm fucked, you 1584 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.000 know what I mean, catching it. There's there's other problems 1585 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:21.199 with it that, like for what I was looking at, 1586 01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:25.199 wouldn't have been feasible. But it is not a bad 1587 01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:27.039 model if you can do it correctly. 1588 01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.239 Brother, Well that's what you were telling me yesterday that 1589 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:31.680 you don't need a lot of land for ostriches either. 1590 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.640 These people in Vietnam in like my backyard, and I 1591 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:37.600 do not have a big backyard. I'm in a subdivision, 1592 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:39.439 you know what I mean, in a size of my 1593 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.560 backyard have eight full grown ostriches living and thriving and 1594 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:45.640 all the stuff. And it's like, yo, eight of those 1595 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.760 and you're selling that meat for how fucking much? 1596 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:52.039 Like, hey, now, what is that like a half acre 1597 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:52.680 in the backyard? 1598 01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:57.920 Maybe no, dude, I got of like usable fenced in backyard. 1599 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.039 I might have like fifth of an acre or maybe 1600 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:02.439 a tenth. 1601 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.159 I actually don't think I've ever even seen your backyard. Really, yeah, 1602 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:07.800 I don't. I don't. I've never been back there. 1603 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.319 Oh yeah, know I have a relatively smaller backyard. I 1604 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.560 mean again, we're one thousand houses in this one subdivision. 1605 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:16.880 We're crammed in here. It's it's horrible. But because I'm 1606 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.640 on like a call to sack, my yard has a. 1607 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:22.439 Weird fan outward towards the back, so it's like at 1608 01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:25.239 the front, I think my property is like fifteen feet 1609 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.079 in to end, but at the back it's like one 1610 01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.840 hundred and forty five. Because across the servitude on a colt, 1611 01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:32.439 it's dumb, it's weird, it's whatever. 1612 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:35.359 But my point is, in a regular sized. 1613 01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:39.239 Backyard, you could really have an ostrich or two like 1614 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:42.920 and they'd have plenty of room. They wouldn't be cramped up, 1615 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.520 it wouldn't be like you're treating them poorly. And they're 1616 01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.479 able to be harvested and killed at like sixteen months. 1617 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:52.439 Oh that's not bad. 1618 01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:54.960 So you really don't have to maintain them that long, 1619 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.399 maybe two years of your life at most to like 1620 01:22:57.439 --> 01:22:59.640 get them how you want them and fucking hackets on. 1621 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.840 You ow and you got meat for the year. 1622 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:04.439 And I'm like, okay, I could fuck with this, but 1623 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:06.760 for what I was looking at it what and feasible. 1624 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.199 But it's interesting, it's interesting, and that's again this is 1625 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.279 an example of a species from another land being brought 1626 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:15.239 in and it didn't go poorly. 1627 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:16.840 It just didn't take off either. 1628 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:19.199 Right, Yeah, they were expecting it to be a serious, 1629 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:23.079 booming industry and turned out the meat was a little 1630 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:24.000 bit too erotic. 1631 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.880 The fact you so smoothly said that, I was like, well, 1632 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.359 I almost didn't say anything because I was like, all right, 1633 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:34.720 what are the chances that I'm the only one that 1634 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:35.159 heard it? 1635 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:36.239 Like real shit? 1636 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.479 Probably not. Yeah, I'm happy you said it, but also 1637 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:40.840 what a fun gaff? 1638 01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:42.720 A fun gaff? 1639 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.479 All right, So I'm gonna go ahead and share the 1640 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:49.760 screen again because we talked about this on an episode 1641 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:53.439 once before, briefly, but on some very real levels. Do 1642 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.760 you remember when they were talking about they were reintroducing 1643 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.359 wolves to Yellowstone. 1644 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:00.000 So fucking dumb. 1645 01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.439 Okay, So let's talk about that because we've got I've 1646 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:05.720 got articles put up on both sides of that quote 1647 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:10.000 unquote argument. I'm telling you people, people didn't learn lessons 1648 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.279 the first time about. 1649 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.560 That was just like last year. That was recently, I think, right, 1650 01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:15.000 it was this article. 1651 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.439 As a matter of fact, it was written hold on, 1652 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:18.520 it says. 1653 01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:20.600 Two okay, two years ago. 1654 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.079 So here we have America's new war on wolves and 1655 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:27.960 why it must be stopped now once again, before we 1656 01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:28.359 read this. 1657 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:29.760 Let's keep in mind. 1658 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:34.159 There's already examples of the government putting species where they 1659 01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:38.960 don't belong and things going really south. There's examples of 1660 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:42.600 them reintroducing animals to areas of the world where they 1661 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.279 used to live but were pushed out because of human 1662 01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:49.000 populations and all these things, and they tried reintroducing them 1663 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:52.560 back to that land, and unfortunately whatever that animal used 1664 01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:54.920 to eat no longer grows there or lives there. So 1665 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.439 it even fucked up the life cycles of further plant 1666 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.960 animal life, and the o arching themes got way out 1667 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.720 of whack because of it, and so in twenty twenty 1668 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:07.600 two we talked about it. 1669 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:12.239 The United States government was really putting. 1670 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:18.159 Wolves, gray wolves, apex predators in areas where humans now live, 1671 01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:20.800 and they kept saying, no, it's too far, the humans 1672 01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:23.479 won't be impact, and it's like, do you have any 1673 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:24.800 idea how long it got it. 1674 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:26.920 Took to get the wolves out of that area, you 1675 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:27.399 know what I mean. 1676 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:30.600 I mean, it's not like they're going to find a 1677 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.920 little nestle in the woods and just stay there for 1678 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:37.560 the rest of forever. Like wolves typically branch out. 1679 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:39.840 Oh my god, and I have videos where they're trying 1680 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:41.319 to make it seem like it's a good thing and 1681 01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:43.319 it's done good things for Yellowstone. 1682 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.800 It's oh, we're gonna get to it. 1683 01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:50.119 It's crazy how they phrase it and how they were things, 1684 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.239 and then to hear other people who live there to 1685 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:54.760 be like, uh, yeah, that's this, this and this. 1686 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:55.760 We'll get to it. 1687 01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.000 Yeah, let's just you know, let's just bring a bunch 1688 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:02.199 of fucking slender men to this area because it'll scare 1689 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:06.000 away the crows or something like, well, yeah, I might 1690 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:08.760 scare away the fucking crows, but you know, it'll also 1691 01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:10.079 haunt you in your dreams. 1692 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.680 Because apparently the elk population was too much. We have 1693 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.239 too many elk, you know what we need to do. 1694 01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:20.720 That's a good problem that oh my god, we have 1695 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.159 that much meat just walking around. Okay, So instead of 1696 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:29.760 hiring and incentivizing hunters to go out and harvest meat, 1697 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:34.319 and like, now everybody's eating better, more natural, good meat 1698 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.119 that they took themselves, which is proper and just in 1699 01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:41.439 all walks of everything. Hunting is so inherent to human beings. Okay, 1700 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:47.000 So instead of enticing hunters to hunt more elk, let's 1701 01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.079 drop wolves into the mix. They'll eat the elk, that'll 1702 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:50.920 solve the problem. 1703 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:52.199 Brow. 1704 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.600 Yeah, that sounds like the most liberal idea I've ever 1705 01:26:56.600 --> 01:26:57.279 heard in my life. 1706 01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:01.000 Let's read about it, because oil boy, do they have 1707 01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:01.439 a take? 1708 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.720 America's tradition of persecuting wolves has resumed, and although it's 1709 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:09.439 mostly happening on federal land, the Biden administration appears singularly 1710 01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:15.399 unmoved and unconcerned. In twenty twenty one, conservative lawmakers in Idaho, Montana, 1711 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:20.199 and Wiscanson seized wolf management authority from trained wildlife professionals 1712 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.479 and remarked or re embarked on the age old war 1713 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:29.319 on wolves, radically liberalizing wolf trapping and hunting regulations. In Wyoming, 1714 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.880 where wolves were delisted from the Endangered Species Act in 1715 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.800 twenty seventeen, the politicized Department of Game and Fish allows 1716 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:39.399 year round wolf killing across eighty five percent of the 1717 01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:43.039 state at any time and by virtually any means, including 1718 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:47.199 running them over with snowmobiles and incarcerating pups and nursing 1719 01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:51.720 mothers and dens, oh not the puppies. On July first, 1720 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.319 twenty twenty one, Idaho implemented legislation designed to reduce its 1721 01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.640 wolf population by ninety percent. It established bounties as high 1722 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:02.199 as two thousand dollars rise financial compensation for wolf hunters 1723 01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:05.920 and trappers, amounting to an additional bounty, And like Wyoming, 1724 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.239 legalized wolf killing at any time and by virtually any means, 1725 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:13.039 Idaho a is earmarked just over one million dollars for 1726 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.159 wolf killing. How about that? 1727 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:15.600 Wow. 1728 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:20.920 Montana passed similar legislation that seeks to eradicate ninety percent 1729 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:25.119 of its wolves. It also implemented a de facto bounty 1730 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:29.000 system by compensating trappers and hunters for wolf killing expenses, 1731 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.720 and it did away with the wolf protection buffer around 1732 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:37.960 Yellowstone National Park. Before their nineteen ninety five reintroduction, wolves 1733 01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:41.159 had been the only missing major element of the park's 1734 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.840 native ecosystem. Okay, so let's reintroduce that. 1735 01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:48.119 At it they had it, and they reintroduced them, and 1736 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.319 it's like, well, cool. 1737 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:52.560 This is why you got to learn from your mistakes. 1738 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.000 It's like, why were they getting rid of them in 1739 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:54.840 the first place. 1740 01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.079 You know, because they were attacking people and fucking up 1741 01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.359 the wildlife and their appredator. And it's like, hey, if 1742 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:04.359 we want a national park like you know, Yellowstone, where 1743 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:08.479 we want people to come and experience raw nature, you know, safely, 1744 01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:12.000 so that they keep coming back and all, maybe we 1745 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:15.600 should get rid of bears and wolves and shit that 1746 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:18.920 fucks with people that makes them scared to come see nature. Yes, 1747 01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:22.600 I understand anti anti the natural order of things, but 1748 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:24.600 you know you want people to come to the natural parks, 1749 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:24.920 don't you? 1750 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:26.319 Hold on? 1751 01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:29.880 I just I just thought of something. So there has 1752 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:33.359 long been a conspiracy that people are disappearing in the 1753 01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:38.159 national parks, and whether that be by criminal organizations, maybe 1754 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:41.920 it's the government that is stealing people and doing weird 1755 01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:45.680 like Nazi experiments on them or whatever the fuck. But 1756 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:49.119 there's also people have said that maybe you'll find some 1757 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:50.640 weird portals in the national parks. 1758 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:50.920 I don't know. 1759 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.840 I'm not going to get super super weird. But if 1760 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:54.920 you think about it, if it is if if the 1761 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:57.840 national parks the people that are running them are running 1762 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:02.399 some kind of like human trafficking or you know, polling 1763 01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:06.680 organs from people or whatever, you introduce wolves, you could 1764 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:09.039 always just blame it on the wolves, then you know 1765 01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.159 what I mean. So that might have been like a 1766 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:12.399 cover story kind of deal. 1767 01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:17.079 So they were reintroducing them to further cover some criminal 1768 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:17.800 activities that. 1769 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:19.119 Were going down, I would think so. 1770 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:23.000 Yeah, okay, and if that is to be true, it 1771 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.760 would make sense that the current lawmakers are incentivizing hunters 1772 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:31.960 to kill wolves. They're like they're third tiering fighting the crime. Okay, sure, 1773 01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:32.520 see that too. 1774 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:33.119 Well. 1775 01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:36.680 After twenty twenty, when the Trump administration delisted wolves everywhere 1776 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:41.760 save the Northern the Northern Rockies, and Alaska, where they 1777 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:46.079 weren't listed anyway, Wisconsin authorized killing during the breeding season. 1778 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.680 During three days in February twenty twenty one, two hundred 1779 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:51.520 and eighteen wolves were slaughtered. 1780 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:54.680 Yeah, it's a little bit more than a little reintroduction, bro, 1781 01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:55.840 that's a fucking problem. 1782 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:59.439 Wow. I also don't feel good about wolves being hunted 1783 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.520 like that. I don't know, it's just because because they're 1784 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:03.159 big dogs, you know. I mean, I know that they're 1785 01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:05.800 scary and shit, but it's like, you know, that's where 1786 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:06.720 the puppies come from. 1787 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:08.920 I get it, But like that's like a gat. 1788 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:12.680 I'm not gonna cuddle with a gat though. 1789 01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:15.239 You're not gonna cuddle with a fucking wolf either. 1790 01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:16.920 I will cuddle with its descendants. 1791 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:18.319 Okay. 1792 01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:21.359 Yes, yes, I also like iguanas, but you don't see 1793 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:22.560 me cuddling with it eat. 1794 01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:22.960 I don't know. 1795 01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:29.439 After virtually extirpating wolves from the West, America briefly recognized 1796 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:34.199 them as a critical to or as critical to healthy ecosystems. 1797 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.640 In nineteen ninety five and ninety six, sixty six wolves 1798 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.800 were trapped in Canada for release in Yellowstone National Park 1799 01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.279 in central Idaho, and arguably the greatest success story in 1800 01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:48.840 the history of wildlife management, gray wolves reoccupied lost habitat 1801 01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:52.640 across the Northern Rockies. The recovery goal fifteen breeding pairs 1802 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.880 each in Idaho, Wyoming in Montana, or about four hundred 1803 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.239 and fifty wolves, was surpassed before the decades end. By 1804 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:04.119 twenty twenty, there were an estimated nineteen hundred, mostly in Idaho, Montana, 1805 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.840 and Wyoming, but ife in Oregon, Washington, California, and Colorado. 1806 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:11.840 In Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota there were an estimated forty 1807 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:13.880 two hundred, none of us. 1808 01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:17.880 Again, that's not a little reintroduction or even a manageable level. 1809 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:21.000 That's a infestation. Bro that's a problem. That's where the 1810 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:22.399 amount that the wolves fuck up. 1811 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:27.159 That's where the Minnesota timberwolves come from. I guess maybe 1812 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.640 none of what's happening now is new or surprising. In 1813 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.279 nineteen oh five, the federal government tried biological warfare, infecting 1814 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:37.359 wolves with mange. Ten years later, Congress passed the law 1815 01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:41.079 requiring their eradication from federal land. By nineteen twenty six, 1816 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.840 all wolves have been poisoned, shot, and trapped out of 1817 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:47.199 Yellowstone National Park, and by nineteen forty five wolves had 1818 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:51.119 been essentially eliminated from the American West. All because of 1819 01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:54.720 the fantasy that they were a major menace to livestock 1820 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:57.520 and a threat to big game. The States fought wolf 1821 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:01.720 reintroduction from the get go. For example, the Eastern Timberwolf 1822 01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:05.760 Recovery Plan, released in quotes for discussion only in nineteen 1823 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:10.239 seventy five, contained not but suggestions for state sponsored research. 1824 01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:12.840 Yet the ink was barely dry when the state fishing 1825 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:17.439 game bureaucrats decried it as a federal meddling. Eastern timberwolf 1826 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:18.760 recovery never happened. 1827 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:23.319 Okay, so real quick, this paragraph you just said all 1828 01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:26.960 because of the fantasy that they were a major menace 1829 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.640 to livestock and a threat to big game. 1830 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:31.720 How is that not a reality? 1831 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:36.439 About to say they just said a fantasy? Okay, a fantasy. 1832 01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:41.079 So why were they reintroduced to Yellowstone. Some might ask, 1833 01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:43.680 I want everybody to keep that question on the back burner, 1834 01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:45.359 as we just read that it was a fantasy. 1835 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:52.319 Okay, this is from Vic van ballingergie I think, retired 1836 01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.920 US fourst service biologist, former member of Alaska's Board of Game, 1837 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.279 and still the strongest voice opposing the state's ineffective, politically 1838 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.520 motivated war on wolves. His quote is, it doesn't matter 1839 01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.960 if hunters live in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Wisconsin, or Alaska. 1840 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:08.640 They have the same theories about wolf predation on big 1841 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:12.119 game animals and the same politically powerful organizations that lobby 1842 01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:16.039 for broadskill wolf reduction. So wolves in Idaho and Montana 1843 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:19.159 and parts of Washington, Oregon, and Utah have been delisted 1844 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:24.279 from the ESA end Agried Species thing via a Congressional 1845 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.199 rider on a must pass budget bill. So the states 1846 01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:31.159 assumed management. Trained wildlife professionals in Idaho and Montana said 1847 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:36.279 hunting and trapping regulations in the face of soaring morality mortality. Rather, 1848 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:40.079 wolf populations continued to thrive and even expand. Then in 1849 01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:45.159 twenty twenty one, newly elected Conservative legislators took over wolf management. 1850 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:50.399 End quotes. It says it's about making wolves. No, it's 1851 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:55.079 about making snowflakes, cry, remarks ed Bangs, who led wolf 1852 01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:59.520 recovery for the Northern Rockies. Wild ass hysteria is driving 1853 01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:03.079 public policy invent a non issue like too many wolves. 1854 01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:06.640 Fishing game departments have been doing a good job since delisting. 1855 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:11.520 Then the legislators politicized everything and made wolves a symbol 1856 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:15.560 of liberals and outsiders. It's eighteen fifty stuff. Let's show 1857 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.079 how much we hate wolves and the people who like them, 1858 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:21.119 and let's stick it to the Feds. I don't know 1859 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:24.920 if that's really the angle. A large element of the 1860 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:29.279 hunting community hates wolves too. In fact, with some notable exceptions, 1861 01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.640 hunters are the main driving force in the new war 1862 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:36.119 on wolves. The allegation echoed by politicians is that overpopulated 1863 01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:40.800 wolves are devastating deer in elk. This isn't about elk, deer, livestock, 1864 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.479 or science, says a critic of wolf hunting. It's just 1865 01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.760 it's just old fashioned persecution, hatred, and cruelty. 1866 01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:52.479 Right because wolves have never done anything to people. Ever, 1867 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:56.680 That's why they live in such harmony with humans all 1868 01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:57.520 over the world. 1869 01:35:58.199 --> 01:36:00.279 Except they don't right yet. 1870 01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:05.159 In Wisconsin, grossly overpopulated whitetailed deer are destroying wildlife habitat, 1871 01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:08.000 including their own, and Dan Ash, director of the US 1872 01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:12.760 Fish and Wildlife Service under Obama, offers this in his quotes, 1873 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:17.000 elk numbers across the West are way above management objectives. 1874 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.920 I used to be proud of being a hunter. Not 1875 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:23.279 so proud now. Hunting has become radicalized and embedded with 1876 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:28.239 gun culture and wolf persecution. It's quotes hunters. 1877 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:32.319 Wait, I'm sorry. I used to be proud of being 1878 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:37.119 a hunter. Not so proud now hunting has become radicalized 1879 01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:40.520 and embedded with the gun culture of wolf persecution. 1880 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.399 Uh, that is what somebody under Obama would say, I 1881 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:45.640 would imagine is exactly. 1882 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:49.079 That is exactly what somebody would say, especially a director 1883 01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:51.079 of the US Fish and Wildlife Services. 1884 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:52.279 I have a. 1885 01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:55.800 Weird feeling that he probably wasn't actually a hunter, and 1886 01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.439 if he was, he probably didn't eat the meat, otherwise 1887 01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:01.760 he wouldn't say anything that he's saying right now. 1888 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.920 But okay, you know, there is this weird thing that 1889 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.039 is actually going extinct along with other animals that we 1890 01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:10.640 have talked about here, and it's called critical fucking thinking. 1891 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.279 Like if you're trying to survive on land as a human, 1892 01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.199 or if you're somebody who wants to you would rather 1893 01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:20.239 eat your own game meat than buy it from a store, 1894 01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:24.239 which everybody should try at least I eventually plan on 1895 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:27.239 getting my hunting license and and you know, doing all 1896 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.920 that because I don't trust what the stores are selling. Personally, 1897 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:37.680 why would keeping wolves around be a good idea. It's like, maybe, 1898 01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:39.880 all right, maybe you don't want to kill them, then 1899 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:42.199 find a better way to trap them and move them somewhere. 1900 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:47.600 You know, I absolutely agree. Uh depends on if you 1901 01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:49.840 want to keep reading the rhetoric against hunters. We could 1902 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:50.720 skip ahead a little bit. 1903 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:54.000 Well, hunters can have it both ways. They say they 1904 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.880 can't brag about performing the ecological function of natural predators 1905 01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:02.239 and simultaneously demand that those are eliminated. Hunters are seeing 1906 01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:06.279 fewer elk and deer, not because wolves have reduced populations, 1907 01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:11.479 but because wolves have made their prey skittish. Again, Shooting 1908 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:13.760 from truck windows doesn't work anymore. 1909 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:19.319 Livestocks pause, Holy fucking pause, No one shoots from truck windows. 1910 01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:19.920 First off. 1911 01:38:20.399 --> 01:38:23.560 Second off, if the population of elk and deer is 1912 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.560 such a problem, and you're seeing less of them. 1913 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:28.880 Something's not adding up here. 1914 01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:30.880 We're talking about hunters that have been hunting in this 1915 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.479 land for generations that know what elk do. There, you're 1916 01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:37.000 saying that the wolves have made it more skittish, meaning 1917 01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:40.319 hunters can't do their function of helping the population of 1918 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:42.479 elk and deer that are such a problem. So you've 1919 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:46.920 made the problem even harder to fix. Yeah, it's sounds 1920 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:51.000 like shooting out of trucks doesn't work anymore. Do you 1921 01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:55.039 think spotlight hunting is what all of us do my this. 1922 01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:58.720 Guy, Yeah, it's a stupid idiot rhetoric from a stupid idiot. 1923 01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:01.520 For the record, we hunt legally in my house. We 1924 01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:02.960 hunt fair, thank you. 1925 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:06.560 Right, there's certain times to hunt certain things, you know. 1926 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:08.479 Yeah, you don't hunt at night. 1927 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.520 Yes, I understand that it's you shine a spotlight in 1928 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:13.239 a deer's face. You can walk up and hit them 1929 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.079 with a nine mil I get it. We disagree with 1930 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.680 doing that. We believe in showing respect for our food, 1931 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:19.359 thank you. Y. 1932 01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:24.840 There's a certain honor for it. Yes, so it doesn't 1933 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.840 work anymore, that's funny. Livestock depredation is another make believe 1934 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:35.039 issue in twenty fifteen, nineteen hundred and four wolves shared 1935 01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:38.239 the Rocky Mountain West with one point six million cattle. 1936 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:41.079 Wolves killed one hundred and forty eight cows or point 1937 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:45.119 zero one percent, and the state's compensated ranchers. This isn't 1938 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.119 about elk, deer, livestock, or science. It's just old fashioned 1939 01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:52.720 persecution and hatred and cruelty. They say, at this writing, 1940 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:56.359 the only action taken by the Abiden administration other than 1941 01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:01.720 other than defending the Trump delisting, Like, why do we 1942 01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:03.680 got to even talk about this shit right here? You 1943 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:04.199 know what I'm saying. 1944 01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:05.000 You're talking about them. 1945 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:08.039 It's from Yale dot edu. So you understand it's going 1946 01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:10.760 to be dripping with liberalism. But at the same time, 1947 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:13.680 before we show what's actually going down in Yellowstone from 1948 01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:16.479 the locals, I wanted everybody to see what the what 1949 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.159 the narrative of why introducing apex predators that had been 1950 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:24.159 eradicated from this area was such a good idea because 1951 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:26.000 it was there was so much science, and it was 1952 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:27.560 it was prejudiced. 1953 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:29.800 All right. So it says at this writing, the only 1954 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:33.039 action taken by the Biden administration has been a year 1955 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:36.479 long wolf status review, as if proof is required that 1956 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:39.039 wiping out most of the population is bad for a 1957 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:40.119 recovering species. 1958 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:45.159 Wow, and you see right here the farmers kill wolves. 1959 01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:47.680 Wolves smoke a pack of day like they're trying to 1960 01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:50.000 make it seem like the wolves are horrible, and they are, 1961 01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:53.720 and we don't want them around our livestock. Because once again, 1962 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:58.039 that's not a small problem. That number, by comparison, seems 1963 01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:02.399 like a small number that it still ranchers livelihoods. When 1964 01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:05.600 you lose a cow, you're losing like potentially ten twenty 1965 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:07.199 thousand dollars in some cases. 1966 01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:09.760 Oh yeah, the state compensates. 1967 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:13.039 Oh, like the state compensated the victims of the hurricane 1968 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:15.279 that one time payment of seven to fifty that they 1969 01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:18.119 had to pay back the next one alone, or that 1970 01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:21.399 time the government helped out the victims of the Hawaiian fires, 1971 01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:23.720 a sane thing, by the way, alone. 1972 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:27.279 I mean, well, how about eminent domain. The government just 1973 01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:29.520 loves these people so much that they're set to give 1974 01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:31.479 them a fair price. You know what fair price is. 1975 01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:35.239 It's about ten percent below market value according to the government. 1976 01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:39.520 Or don't put fucking wolves in the mountains, and these 1977 01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:41.359 farmers don't have that problem. 1978 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:46.479 It's crazy, dude, yeah, anyhow, it says the Obama administration 1979 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.800 didn't put up with this kind of behavior. For instance, 1980 01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:53.359 so fucking stupid, I hate you, pal. 1981 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:55.880 You put up with was fucking big Mike's dick. You 1982 01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:56.520 know what I'm saying. 1983 01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:00.239 Oh, he put it up all right. For instance, when 1984 01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:03.000 Alaska announced that it would shoot wolves from helicopters on 1985 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:07.760 nine hundred and ten thousand acres of USFWS managed wild 1986 01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.159 wilderness on Unimac Island. 1987 01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:11.960 A she. 1988 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:17.840 A, she Okay, it looks like Ash, but I don't 1989 01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:21.880 know anyway. So Ash told them no. Alaska said it 1990 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.399 would proceed anyway. Ash said, okay, my next call is 1991 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:28.479 to the Justice Department, and then Alaska back down. In 1992 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:32.479 twenty twenty, the Trump administration reversed an Obama administration rule 1993 01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:35.079 that banned killing of wolves and bears and their nursing 1994 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:39.560 young on national preserves in Alaska. That Biden administration seems 1995 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:42.399 fine with that. In an op ed last week, Interior 1996 01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:47.239 Secretary Deb Halland expressed support for wolves and alarm at 1997 01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:50.840 current mismanagement, but she could instantly end the slaughter in 1998 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:54.279 the Rockies with an emergency ESA listing. The administration has 1999 01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:56.920 another option. Most wolves are killed on land owned by 2000 01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:59.479 all Americans and managed by the US Four Service and 2001 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:03.680 Bureau of Land Management. These agencies could ban hunter access 2002 01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:07.640 by snowmobile and ATV, and the wolf slaughter would practically cease. 2003 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.640 Hunters aren't going to walk into federal land and to 2004 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.319 shoot out a wolf, says Ash at the very list. 2005 01:43:13.479 --> 01:43:18.199 At least the Forest Service and BLM could impose that's 2006 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:20.920 not the BLM, that that's a different BLM. Has to 2007 01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:22.359 be right, I don't know. 2008 01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:24.279 That's why I was like scrolling, like there has to 2009 01:43:24.319 --> 01:43:28.039 be something else in here that's gonna that that's gonna. 2010 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:28.840 Make that sense. 2011 01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:31.039 Is that the oh, the Bureau of Land the Bureau 2012 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:34.960 of Okay, Oh, for the love of god, I was like, 2013 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.680 please don't tell me they have a fucking platform on 2014 01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:38.079 this one. 2015 01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:42.279 So the Forest Service in BLM could impose fair chase 2016 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:46.159 regulations such as banning running over wolves, night hunting, and 2017 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:50.039 killing pups and nursing mothers and dens. Thus far silence, 2018 01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:53.239 so frightened of political fallout in the National Park Service 2019 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.680 that it has a gagged Yellowstone biologist. Still, the park 2020 01:43:56.760 --> 01:44:03.920 superintendent entreated Montana new Republican Governor Greg Gianforte to restore 2021 01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:07.800 the wolf pop protection buffer around the park. Since becoming 2022 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:11.760 governor last year, gian Forte has been cited for illegally 2023 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:14.760 trapping and shooting a wolf near the former buffer zone 2024 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:19.880 without completing the required trapping education program. Shally got nowhere 2025 01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:22.680 with him. Okay, So now they're just complaining that nobody's 2026 01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:26.319 really getting on board because most people have a little 2027 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.840 sensibility to them that you need to kill these things. 2028 01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:32.199 And like you ever been around a wolf. They're scary 2029 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:33.199 as shit, dude. 2030 01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.119 Well you're I agree, And yes, I do think they're 2031 01:44:37.119 --> 01:44:39.960 gorgeous animals, and I do think there are places for them, 2032 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:41.840 you know, places where humans aren't. 2033 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:45.399 I know, that's a crazy, crazy concept, the same way. 2034 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:48.479 That like hippopotomi, Oh well, why wouldn't we put them 2035 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:50.319 in the water in Louisiana. They have a right to 2036 01:44:50.359 --> 01:44:53.840 this land too, except like they would fuck up everything? Right, 2037 01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:56.560 Why don't we put the mongoose on Hawaii? They would 2038 01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:00.520 because they'll fuck up everything? And these people or like well, 2039 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:03.600 wolves used to live here, so why don't we put 2040 01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:06.920 them back here? And again, the reason why they put 2041 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:10.000 them back there was to cut down on elk and 2042 01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:13.800 deer populations, and then they say that it's not about 2043 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:16.600 elk and deer populations, it's about wolf persecution. 2044 01:45:17.119 --> 01:45:18.000 Bro what. 2045 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:24.439 Oh man, this is so silly. It says people come 2046 01:45:24.439 --> 01:45:27.039 to Yellowstone to see wolves and spend money on hotels 2047 01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:30.000 and restaurants. A dead wolf might fetch a hunter two 2048 01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:30.760 hundred dollars. 2049 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:34.079 Yellowstone is not a lot for the ery if anybody 2050 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:38.520 hunts and traps for hides two hundred dollars for a kill, Like, what, 2051 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:40.039 what was it for a fucking puppy? 2052 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:44.000 Right? Right? Yeah? Uh well, it says Yellowstone had been 2053 01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:47.600 an oasis for wolves, no longer, having encountered only tourists 2054 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:51.920 firing cameras park wolves don't fear humans now when they 2055 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:54.880 leave the park, hunters shoot them as easily as if 2056 01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:58.079 they were pet dogs. Yellowstone used to lose two or 2057 01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:00.760 three wolves a year to hunters and trappers. So far 2058 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:04.119 this winter it has lost twenty four, including breeding females. 2059 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:06.439 Such mortality is unsustainable. 2060 01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:07.720 People come to yellow soon. 2061 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:07.960 God. 2062 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:11.880 Oh I already read that, yeah, saying thank god, thank 2063 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:13.399 god that it is unsustainable. 2064 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:15.359 That that's kind of the manor fucking point. 2065 01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:18.479 Do people really go to Yellowstone to see the wolves? 2066 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.760 I mean, I imagine it's an attraction, but is it 2067 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:21.760 the attraction? 2068 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:26.199 I mean, you know that's a attraction, right, But you 2069 01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:28.520 know what, let's go ahead and see as we just 2070 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:31.359 read about how it's wolf persecution and it is not 2071 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:34.760 about the wildlife. It is not Jonathan, they don't even 2072 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:37.880 fuck with the wildlife. According to what your boy ash 2073 01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:41.640 head of the fucking Bureau of Land Management and the 2074 01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:45.600 Wildlife Management all these things. Wolves aren't even making a 2075 01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:48.960 dent in the elk and deer population. But they belong there, 2076 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.439 so they need to be there. But the reason they 2077 01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:54.319 were dropped was for those populations. So let's see what 2078 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:57.560 the uh this is a woman explore from National Geographic 2079 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.800 and again take this with all the grains of salt, 2080 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.760 ladies and gentlemen, trust me, you're gonna need it. The 2081 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:08.840 Tiler's wolves saved Yellowstone National Park, So let's see what 2082 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:11.119 they have to say about it as of now three 2083 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:12.520 years ago. As a matter of fact, let's. 2084 01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:22.600 See Yellowstone the world's first national park protected to ensure 2085 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:26.079 that was always wilderness, to inspire the human spirit for 2086 01:47:26.199 --> 01:47:35.319 generations to come. It all began in nineteen ninety five 2087 01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:39.880 when Yellowstone Park workers released thirty one gray wolves into 2088 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.680 the wild over the year and did not interfere with 2089 01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:46.800 their lives at all. Although they expected certain changes, they 2090 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:50.439 certainly did not expect the cascade of environmental change it 2091 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:54.479 will cause. To this day, ecologists sire astonished by the 2092 01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:59.319 continuing wave of direction direct consequences of this step throughout 2093 01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:02.680 the ecosystem. 2094 01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:07.720 The Northern Range is the hub of wildlife in Yelstone, 2095 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:14.720 so much of the wildlife in Yellowstone lives here. It's 2096 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:16.680 ten percent of the area of the park, yet half 2097 01:48:16.720 --> 01:48:21.840 the wolves live here. It's arguably the most carnivore rich 2098 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:26.039 area in North America, and it's been studied a lot. 2099 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.039 The Northern Range has been referred to as the Serengetti 2100 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:33.439 of North America, and that's because of the vast numbers 2101 01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.680 of ungula species mostly and so when people look out, 2102 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:40.680 they may in one afternoon in the valley bottom of 2103 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:46.640 a Northern Range valley, it may see bison, elk, pronghorn, mule, deer, wolves, 2104 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:49.640 and bears, and all of these species interacting with each other. 2105 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:54.800 Well. 2106 01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:58.800 The Northern Range is the northern area of the park 2107 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:08.720 where the Northern Yellowstone elk herd spends the winter, so 2108 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.560 it's winter range for the biggest elk herd in the park, 2109 01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:17.880 and it's probably the densest year round wolf population at 2110 01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:22.479 any location in North America. We roughly have thirty five 2111 01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:26.239 to forty wolves year round in the park portion of 2112 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:29.239 the Northern Range, but we've been as dense as one 2113 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:33.640 hundred wolves just in the northern part of Yellowstone. And 2114 01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:36.720 we have pretty high bear densities and cougar densities as well, 2115 01:49:36.840 --> 01:49:41.119 So we have a great mix of carnivore species and 2116 01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:44.319 we have high density. You know, fifty years ago that 2117 01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:45.399 was not the case. 2118 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:53.560 We came into the Northern Range as Yellowstone was designated 2119 01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:57.399 a park and changed a lot of things. So wolves, coyotes, 2120 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.840 mountain lions, bears, to some degree, we're all being removed 2121 01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:02.560 in vast numbers. 2122 01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:07.079 Wolves were eliminated by people directly in the early part 2123 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:09.680 of the twentieth century. So what happens when you kill 2124 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.920 off the predators, Well, the prey increases to very high 2125 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:15.880 levels and starts to impact the environment. And by doing that, 2126 01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:18.359 the el kurds shot up, and no one really knows 2127 01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.760 how high they shot up. Twenty thirty thousand was the 2128 01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:25.640 estimated figure, and they were degrading the environment. 2129 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:30.439 But again, just real quick, it is not about dr 2130 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:34.920 and l cards. It's about wolf persecution, right, Just okay, 2131 01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:37.800 make sure we're all on the same page here. 2132 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:43.920 Our policy on helping restore nature's fairly clear. If humans 2133 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:47.399 did it will help the system get back on the 2134 01:50:47.479 --> 01:50:51.119 right track. So what was missing were all these carnivores, 2135 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:59.319 and so they were not performing their ecological function. Cougars 2136 01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:02.119 came back to also on their own through natural dispersal. 2137 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.279 We start seeing signs of that in the eighties, and 2138 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:08.520 we reintroduced wolves in the mid nineties. And now that 2139 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:11.840 wolves and cougars have been restored and bears have increased, 2140 01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:14.840 the news story is about what happened to all the 2141 01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.920 elk and what is happening to the willow and aspen. 2142 01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:22.039 Now that the elk have declined and these carnivores are. 2143 01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:28.159 Back, the willow is relied on by a lot of animals, 2144 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:30.560 and so it's kind of a positive feedback loop. The 2145 01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:34.880 more willows there are, the more moose and beaver, and 2146 01:51:35.119 --> 01:51:40.199 the healthier ecosystem because of those animals being involved too. 2147 01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:43.880 And so beaver's are of course nature's engineers, and they'll 2148 01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:47.479 build lodges and dams that will help raise the water tables. 2149 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:48.119 Real quick. 2150 01:51:48.279 --> 01:51:51.720 Put a pin in that whole beaver discussion. Promise you 2151 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:54.680 we will be discussing it after this video, but just 2152 01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:57.880 real quick. Apparently the wolves save the beaver population and 2153 01:51:58.000 --> 01:51:59.880 they're seeing the results. 2154 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.119 Put a pin in that one, and raising the water 2155 01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:05.279 table is one of the things that the willows rely 2156 01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:08.279 on the most. They can't deal with cut banks and 2157 01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:11.760 swiftly moving creeks. They have to have that slow moving water. 2158 01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:18.319 So the smaller l cred is more natural. We're seeing 2159 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.079 a response of willow and aspen which used to be suppressed. 2160 01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:23.960 We've got wolves and Kruger's back, we've got more bears. 2161 01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:28.199 So Yellowstone system now is the National Parks of a 2162 01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:29.720 success story. 2163 01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:35.319 I think the Northern Range is incredibly unique, not only 2164 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:41.760 for the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, but for the world. Protecting 2165 01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:45.800 Yellowstone is important to just protect the species that live here, 2166 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.279 but also provide people a place to be able to 2167 01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:51.239 see natural processes and use that throughout their life for 2168 01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:53.560 making decisions on what they think is important. 2169 01:52:57.720 --> 01:53:00.840 I think a huge value of the National Parks is 2170 01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:06.319 to instill awe of nature into people. Going out on 2171 01:53:06.359 --> 01:53:09.239 a landscape filled with grizzly bears is not the same 2172 01:53:09.399 --> 01:53:12.119 as you know, going to the mall and seeing wolves 2173 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:16.159 bring down an elk or seeing two wolfpacks clash right 2174 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:20.239 in front of you. Our life altering events. There's no 2175 01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:25.119 question we are changing people's lives by having places like Yelstone. 2176 01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:29.720 And the Northern Range is probably the heart of the park, 2177 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:33.039 and the parks the heart of the ecosystem. So it's 2178 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:35.720 all built upon each other. But it grounds zeros the 2179 01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:38.359 Northern Range. 2180 01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:39.560 All right, all right, So that's about it. 2181 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:41.439 They keep stroking their own dicks a little bit as 2182 01:53:41.479 --> 01:53:44.680 far as how there's a success story. The wolves saved 2183 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:48.279 the parks. Well, at least that's the story that they 2184 01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:50.920 have been telling us, right and all these things. 2185 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:53.760 So let's hear a little different perspective, shall we. 2186 01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:57.880 What's more important an apex predator or an ecosystem engineer. Well, 2187 01:53:57.960 --> 01:53:59.560 up until a couple of days ago, a lot of 2188 01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:02.000 us it was the apex predator. It's all thanks to 2189 01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:04.479 a thing called trophic cascade, where we thought that predation 2190 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:08.479 from the top had heavy dramatic influences on vegetation downstream, 2191 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:12.479 and it was never better represented in any ecosystem than Yellowstone. 2192 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:15.239 We removed the wolves from Yellowstone and the ecosystem kind 2193 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:16.960 of fell out of whack. So just bring the wolf 2194 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.600 back in and everything will go back to normal, right, guys. Well, 2195 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:22.479 it turns out it's not that simple. It might be 2196 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.960 the absence of the beaver that caused the most damage 2197 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.359 to the ecosystem. But unlike the wolf, you can't just 2198 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:29.920 bring the beaver back because the system is so out 2199 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:33.159 of whack it can't even support them. God, I love ecology. 2200 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:34.760 What okay? 2201 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:38.880 So there have been examples in the past, and I 2202 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:40.279 wish it would have brought up an article on it 2203 01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:43.840 where the government actually was called Operation Beaver where they 2204 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:46.600 dropped beavers into a certain area of I want to 2205 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:49.399 say it was the Ozarks and they dropped them in 2206 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:53.319 parachutes in wooden crates and they like had dosed them up, 2207 01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:55.800 and then once the beavers landed, they ate their way 2208 01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:57.560 out of the crates because you know, they eat wood, 2209 01:54:57.960 --> 01:54:58.359 and then. 2210 01:54:58.279 --> 01:54:59.920 They did their thing and made dams. 2211 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:03.960 Actually was a successful operation of relocating beavers. But that 2212 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:07.720 whole thing she just said, the nature's architect and all 2213 01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:08.800 of that, what's more important? 2214 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:09.079 Right? 2215 01:55:09.439 --> 01:55:13.640 We just heard the Yellowstone Park Services say, oh, you 2216 01:55:13.640 --> 01:55:16.199 could tell because look at this, Look at this growth 2217 01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:19.239 that we see, it's trackable. It's happening with the wolves. 2218 01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:22.800 Did it not true? Not only is that not true, 2219 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:25.479 it's actually worse now because the wolves have pushed the 2220 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:28.439 other animals that helped the environment further away. 2221 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:35.920 Wow, that is very differing stories. And so they talked 2222 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:39.199 about Yellowstone the park people. They were talking about how 2223 01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:41.640 bringing the wolves back was restoring a little bit more 2224 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.159 balanced but after a few years they're noticing a decline 2225 01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:45.880 in other things. 2226 01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:48.880 But they were saying that it wasn't about the elks 2227 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.560 and deer, even though all the images we just saw 2228 01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:55.960 was about wolves hunting elks and moose and all these things. 2229 01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:58.520 The population is down, which is that's nature, It's the 2230 01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:02.199 way it's supposed to be. The numbers have skyrocketed, they 2231 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:05.760 have gotten to an unmanageable level. But when people want 2232 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:09.560 to do something about it, oh, it's wolf persecution. Even 2233 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:12.479 though once again, has the government done many things that 2234 01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:15.560 worked out well as far as relocating animals, because I 2235 01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:18.000 can't name many. 2236 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:20.079 Most of the time people just fuck things up rather 2237 01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:21.079 than make things better. 2238 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:24.319 I think they do indeed, And let's hear Joe Rogan 2239 01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:26.399 speak on it. He's talked about this on quite a 2240 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:27.239 few episodes. 2241 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:29.439 I thought this was a pretty solid clip of just 2242 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:31.760 kind of all encompassing what we're talking about with the wolves. 2243 01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:35.880 They have an understanding of the carrying capacity and the 2244 01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:39.560 resources of the land. They understand how many hunters there are. 2245 01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:41.800 They understand how many that's how tags are allocated. 2246 01:56:42.199 --> 01:56:42.840 They guessing game. 2247 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:44.600 Yeah, it's the way people need to understand this. It's 2248 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:49.840 like they've done this for a long time. These people have, 2249 01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:54.319 you know, painstakingly researched these numbers. They know exactly what 2250 01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:57.920 they're doing. But when it comes to this game of 2251 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:02.199 reintroduction of animals, the first step is they say there's 2252 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:04.720 a carrying capacity for the amount of wolves. This is 2253 01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:07.479 the number. When it gets to that, we will agree 2254 01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:10.720 to open up a season on wolf hunting. But every 2255 01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:14.680 time that happens, there's lawsuits, and there's lawsuits to try 2256 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:17.640 to stop that hunt, and then the wolves get larger 2257 01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:20.239 and larger, and then you have larger and larger populations. 2258 01:57:20.239 --> 01:57:21.760 I was looking at a graph the other day where 2259 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:22.520 they showed. 2260 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:25.600 Reintroduction of wolves to the Yellowstone the amount of elk 2261 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:28.760 that existed, and now the amount of wolves versus the 2262 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:30.520 amount of elk, they haven't understand. 2263 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:36.199 Absolutely, it is completely collapse the system. The whole thing 2264 01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:37.960 about what it was meant to do and what the 2265 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.159 whole reason for it, all that is gone by the wayside. 2266 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:45.399 And then well, actually before we talk about the next issue, 2267 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:47.520 let's talk about the wolves for just a little second. 2268 01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:53.680 Once again, the United States government introducing a level excuse me, 2269 01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:57.199 an animal to an area that quote unquote is indigenous 2270 01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.680 to quote unquote maybe not, doesn't fucking matter. 2271 01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:02.560 It took decades to get rid of them from here. 2272 01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:05.199 You bring them back because you say it's about maintaining 2273 01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:09.039 the populations, which is what wildlife management's all about. And 2274 01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:11.039 now you have this problem because, like he said, and 2275 01:58:11.039 --> 01:58:12.880 it happens all over, It happens all over. 2276 01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:14.319 Black bear population. 2277 01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:17.399 In Louisiana was considered endangered and they we could not 2278 01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:20.439 hunt them, right, which black bears, for the record, are 2279 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:21.119 not predators. 2280 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.119 They're like, they're the smallest bears, aren't they. 2281 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:26.800 Well, one of I'm not sure if it's I mean 2282 01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:30.760 Kowala bears of American bears, yeah, yeah, of North American bears, 2283 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:32.479 black bears are the smallest and they're vegan. 2284 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:34.960 They don't attack humans unless you're fucking with their babies. 2285 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:38.800 But as hunters, we have to maintain the population because 2286 01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.600 once black bears get to be so dense, they start 2287 01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:44.199 making their way into neighborhoods. They start getting people's trash, 2288 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:46.800 fucking up cars, fucking up property like it's a thing. 2289 01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:50.439 They dive into your swimming pool they can you ever 2290 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:52.479 see those videos? They're crazy, dude. 2291 01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:55.279 I mean, look, if you are cool with bears in 2292 01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:58.119 your swimming pools, then fine, this this episode is not 2293 01:58:58.199 --> 01:58:58.399 for you. 2294 01:58:58.520 --> 01:58:59.520 But for the rest of us. 2295 01:58:59.800 --> 01:59:03.319 Want bear skin, rugs and shit taken correctly and respectfully. 2296 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:06.159 Of course that's a problem. 2297 01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:08.720 And so finally they've gotten to where they will lottery 2298 01:59:08.760 --> 01:59:11.000 style give out bear tags, and that's the way it 2299 01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:14.359 should happen. Now in Louisiana, we're not seeing any lawsuits 2300 01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:17.399 because people here see the problem, but people. 2301 01:59:17.159 --> 01:59:19.119 Who don't know any better. I e. 2302 01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:22.279 If some sort of liberal media source decided that the 2303 01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:26.319 black bear population in Louisiana was under attack because all 2304 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:29.359 these these racist redneck hunters that are just trying to 2305 01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:32.039 kill the black bear population, and they ran that story 2306 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:34.600 it would become a mainstream narrative. 2307 01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:35.640 You see what I'm saying. 2308 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:39.359 Yeah, the news articles are all about suggestion anyway. I mean, 2309 01:59:39.399 --> 01:59:42.760 it's all just about pulling out your heart strings. And unfortunately, 2310 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:47.399 whenever you're pulling at heart strings, that is the opposite 2311 01:59:47.479 --> 01:59:50.800 of the logical part of the human brain. And I 2312 01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:52.800 think you need a little bit of both. I understand 2313 01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:55.800 the people that care for certain animal populations and stuff 2314 01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:59.680 like that, but ultimately, if they're becoming a nuisance, you're 2315 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:03.720 re introducing a nuisance. Like yeah, I mean, I guess 2316 02:00:03.880 --> 02:00:06.720 the elk problem is a problem, but like I don't know, 2317 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:09.880 maybe entice hunters to come out a little bit more. 2318 02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.319 Yes, oh, man, Like, for instance, when actually know what 2319 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:16.119 to talk about enticing hunters to come out a little 2320 02:00:16.159 --> 02:00:16.439 bit more. 2321 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:18.039 Let's talk now about the neutra. 2322 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:22.279 Oh but I'm sorry before we even get into that too. 2323 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:28.239 Whenever we're talking about you know, certain predators and elk 2324 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:31.399 and all these animals that are like overpopulated or whatever 2325 02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:35.439 in certain areas, when it bothers me whenever they say, well, 2326 02:00:35.479 --> 02:00:37.439 we need to reintroduce wolves to get back to the 2327 02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:42.319 natural way, I'm sorry, Like what planet are humans from? 2328 02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:44.920 Because I thought it was earth. So are we not 2329 02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:48.680 natural predators? Are we not that problem? Already? 2330 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:51.199 We are the tip of the food chain. That's what 2331 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:53.319 separates us from the animals and all of this. So 2332 02:00:53.439 --> 02:00:56.359 instead of enticing hunters and like, how would you entice them? 2333 02:00:56.760 --> 02:01:00.800 How about pay them? Because in Louisiana you can get 2334 02:01:00.840 --> 02:01:04.319 paid for neutrire tales bro wes of one year ago. 2335 02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:07.520 They even reinstated that. So and this is another example 2336 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:10.920 of governments introducing an animal to an environment. 2337 02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:12.720 It was not supposed to happen this way. 2338 02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:15.159 It ran out of control, and now we're losing land 2339 02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:17.680 every day in the Bayous and the Marshes. 2340 02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:20.760 Dude, that's some ugly motherfuckers too. But I just want 2341 02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:23.479 to say, like, people think that we're we're so above 2342 02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:25.640 animals and stuff like that, and yeah we are, but 2343 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:29.079 let's not forget we're also part of the animal kingdom, 2344 02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:32.199 you know what I'm saying. It's so silly to think otherwise. 2345 02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:36.760 I agree, but I also disagree with bringing wolves into 2346 02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:39.199 the picture. Like, yo, humans could handle that, like they 2347 02:01:39.319 --> 02:01:41.239 just hunt. You could just pay us like something. But 2348 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:44.079 all right, so let's talk about the nutri real quick. 2349 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:45.880 There's only a little four minute video, and we'll talk 2350 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.560 about the next item on the addenda, the reintroduction of 2351 02:01:48.640 --> 02:01:51.640 bears to our certain areas on the West Coast. We'll 2352 02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:54.760 get to it, but here's an example of a situation 2353 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:58.079 gone wrong and examples of how we're trying to fix it. 2354 02:01:58.159 --> 02:02:00.520 One of the ugliest crezures you'll ever see in your. 2355 02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:03.079 Life, but so tasty, so tasty. 2356 02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:05.319 I can't eat that shit, dude, Just. 2357 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:07.760 Wait, No, you could, dude. It's clean meat. They only 2358 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:11.079 eat fresh green vegetation. They're like a coppy bara. We 2359 02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:13.239 call them a neutra rat because they look like a 2360 02:02:13.239 --> 02:02:15.760 giant rat, but they're more like a well. 2361 02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:16.640 Like a smaller kapa bara. 2362 02:02:16.760 --> 02:02:19.039 Yeah, yeah, all right, let's see. 2363 02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:22.000 Really more about this road in that is capturing everyone's 2364 02:02:22.000 --> 02:02:25.439 attention and what the laws really are surrounding them in Louisiana. 2365 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:27.239 If you're joining us with that part of the story, 2366 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:30.479 because a lot of questions about what you can have, 2367 02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:32.000 what you can't have, well, you know, e. 2368 02:02:32.199 --> 02:02:35.840 Shirts everything all over the internet, charis. So here's some facts. 2369 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:40.239 Nutrient multiply fast, they eat vegetation constantly, and they aren't 2370 02:02:40.279 --> 02:02:43.960 just lawnmowers. Cutting it back the way they eat kills 2371 02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:46.880 the marsh and all the plants here in Louisiana. We've 2372 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:50.479 tried to eat and wear our way out of the overpopulation. 2373 02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:54.119 Our experts say it doesn't taste like chicken, it takes 2374 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:57.520 seasoning very well, and the fore coats are very soft. 2375 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:03.800 But why are they still so plentiful. Well, our nutrient 2376 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:08.000 experts have not seen even hand raised nutrient as calm 2377 02:03:08.039 --> 02:03:08.600 as Newdy. 2378 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:12.439 That amazed me because normally you have problems with them, 2379 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:14.520 and I would suggest that anybody that wants to do 2380 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:19.399 that be very cautious because they're wild animals, especially the males. 2381 02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:22.039 As they age up, they're ready to breathe. 2382 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:24.399 I have to say I was also very surprised we've 2383 02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:28.000 hand raised them and wanted to use them for program. 2384 02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:30.760 But once they get a little older, they just become 2385 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.439 hard to handle. They want to bite, and they're just 2386 02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:34.319 more wild. 2387 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:38.319 Louisiana professor doctor Bob Thomas once ran the Nature Center. 2388 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:42.039 He says nutria are not indigenous to Louisiana. They were 2389 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:44.600 brought here in the late thirties for the fur trade 2390 02:03:44.640 --> 02:03:48.640 and escaped and the population exploded and they ate away 2391 02:03:48.760 --> 02:03:51.560 the protective marshland and outflow canals. 2392 02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:56.000 The animals were burrowing into the banks. They were also 2393 02:03:56.119 --> 02:04:00.680 burrowing up under the roadways. Well, they're be a collapse 2394 02:04:00.720 --> 02:04:02.600 of the streets and somebody gets killed. 2395 02:04:02.680 --> 02:04:05.399 He was on the Neutria Control Committee in the nineties 2396 02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:09.319 when the late Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee had a solution. 2397 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:15.239 That he said, well, I can handle this with small 2398 02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:19.359 caliber rifles. We can go out at night and we 2399 02:04:19.399 --> 02:04:23.039 can have police officers keeping traffic away and we can 2400 02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:24.760 pick them off one after the other. And they did 2401 02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:25.840 and it worked very well. 2402 02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:29.640 The Nature Center hosted the first Neutria festivals. Chef Paul 2403 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:31.600 Prudom served a Nutria dish. 2404 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:34.880 A National Geographic came down and did a peace on 2405 02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:39.439 us and Olivia Newton John had a nature show out 2406 02:04:39.479 --> 02:04:42.960 of Australia and before Paul Prudom left, he says, what 2407 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:45.079 can I do to serve this in my restaurant tomorrow? 2408 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:48.640 But the state red meat regulations took a few years 2409 02:04:48.680 --> 02:04:52.119 to design and interest waned, so did interest in these 2410 02:04:52.199 --> 02:04:56.159 soft for coats. But to control the population, people make 2411 02:04:56.319 --> 02:04:58.319 income now as bounty hunters. 2412 02:04:58.680 --> 02:05:01.800 When you kill the animal, you cut the tail off 2413 02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:03.439 and you bring the tails in they give you six 2414 02:05:03.479 --> 02:05:04.279 dollars per tail. 2415 02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:09.920 Ottoman Institute senior veterinarian doctor Bob McLain explains what category 2416 02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:11.159 these rodents fit in. 2417 02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:16.239 Basically, the state of Louisiana. I like to say owns 2418 02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:22.000 the wildlife, so you need permission to do that. Now, 2419 02:05:22.279 --> 02:05:26.760 for nutrient, it's a little different because they're considered injurious wildlife. 2420 02:05:27.439 --> 02:05:29.199 They cause a lot of damage. 2421 02:05:30.720 --> 02:05:34.359 Now, Doctor Thomas says, Nutria's teeth constantly grow, so they 2422 02:05:34.399 --> 02:05:37.720 have to gnaw to control how long they get. He said, 2423 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:40.479 one family woke up one morning with their rescue Nutria 2424 02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:42.880 and it had chewed off all the legs of the 2425 02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:43.960 dining room table. 2426 02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:45.560 Yeah, that's a problem. 2427 02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:48.720 That's also a well groomed the nutrient that they're showing. 2428 02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:51.640 That's the well groom like, kept like as pets kind 2429 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:54.840 of Nutria. If you see them fuckers out in the wild, 2430 02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:57.279 my god, are they some of the most hideous because 2431 02:05:57.319 --> 02:06:01.640 their teeth gets so long and bugging and yellow and disgusting. 2432 02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:05.560 Their hair is all greasy and mangy, looking like they 2433 02:06:05.640 --> 02:06:07.600 just look like a river rat. Dude. 2434 02:06:08.039 --> 02:06:11.079 Their coats are nice. Though their coats are very nice. 2435 02:06:11.079 --> 02:06:13.880 It's very comparable to beaver fur, and that's what they 2436 02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:15.520 thought it was gonna do. They were brought here for 2437 02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:19.439 the fur, for the fur trade, and they escaped and 2438 02:06:19.479 --> 02:06:20.439 took to the wildlife. 2439 02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:23.079 And so now they're offering six dollars a tail. 2440 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:26.119 Now, if we had that big of an elk and 2441 02:06:26.600 --> 02:06:30.399 deer problem that we needed to incentivize hunters, I feel 2442 02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:33.239 like we could do something like that rather than introduce 2443 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:37.640 apex predators back to areas that they've been eradicated for decades. 2444 02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:41.680 I don't know, right right, So this article right here, 2445 02:06:41.720 --> 02:06:42.520 you want to start reading it. 2446 02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:44.840 You know, as a matter of fact, let's just play 2447 02:06:44.840 --> 02:06:48.720 this little video three minutes long describing what that's about, 2448 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:51.319 and it'll make it come a little more full circle. 2449 02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:55.920 Whereas we're talking about reintroducing wolves, reintroducing all these deadly things, 2450 02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.720 you know, when I heard they're reintroducing grizzly bears to 2451 02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:03.520 that also was a bit of a red flag. Let's 2452 02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:06.000 listen in on the Wild Times podcast here. 2453 02:07:06.159 --> 02:07:08.600 The introduction of the California Golden Grizzly. 2454 02:07:09.079 --> 02:07:12.239 Oh wow, wait, first tell me about the Golden grizzly. 2455 02:07:12.279 --> 02:07:12.560 What's this? 2456 02:07:12.720 --> 02:07:15.000 So if you look at so Kyle before you pull 2457 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:17.399 that up. Pull up the California state flag. 2458 02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:19.439 Yes, something that most people don't know. 2459 02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:22.640 Not insane, by the way, California Republic flag right there 2460 02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:26.840 are literally the emblem of our state is an extinct 2461 02:07:26.840 --> 02:07:30.359 bear that once roam through California, the golden grizzly And 2462 02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:32.439 if you're like the photo to the right of the 2463 02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:35.520 one that Kyle's on, they've really embellished the gold But 2464 02:07:35.600 --> 02:07:36.800 that is our state. 2465 02:07:36.920 --> 02:07:39.439 That that is our flag. Yeah, and it's representative of 2466 02:07:39.479 --> 02:07:41.119 a subspecies. 2467 02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:42.880 Of grizzly that only lived in California, known as the 2468 02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:45.159 California golden grizzly bear. So it's a grizzly bear, not 2469 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:48.319 a brown bear that had a very light golden yellowish coat. 2470 02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:51.239 It was expatriated in I don't know, Kyle would have 2471 02:07:51.319 --> 02:07:54.119 to look it up. I want to say, like the twenties. Yeah, 2472 02:07:54.279 --> 02:07:56.119 you know, people came out here for the gold rush. 2473 02:07:56.119 --> 02:07:58.000 There were grizzly bears that are like fuck that shot 2474 02:07:58.000 --> 02:07:59.640 them out as quickly as possible. 2475 02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:01.720 Right nineteen twenty two. 2476 02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:04.640 So they're going to reintroduce them. 2477 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:06.560 Discovery So this is kind of interesting. 2478 02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:10.640 Look, less than seventy five years after the discovery of 2479 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:13.119 gold in eighteen forty eight, almost every grizzly bear in 2480 02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:15.760 California had been tracked down and killed, and the last one 2481 02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:17.159 being killed in nineteen twenty two. 2482 02:08:17.560 --> 02:08:20.239 But whatever, that's the way things were. 2483 02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:24.560 I'm not condoning it, okay, But most people again don't 2484 02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:26.039 even know this. They look at the California fighting like, 2485 02:08:26.079 --> 02:08:28.439 oh cool a bear, like they don't even know grizzly bears. 2486 02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:29.319 Yeah. 2487 02:08:29.439 --> 02:08:31.319 I don't know if Kyle's found the article or not. 2488 02:08:31.399 --> 02:08:34.039 Here there has somebody and I know this because it 2489 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:37.640 happened at UCSB managed to get some sort of permission 2490 02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:39.680 to bring back California and grizzly bears. 2491 02:08:39.720 --> 02:08:42.119 So they have the DNA just from pelts and things. 2492 02:08:42.119 --> 02:08:43.560 No, I don't even think it's a DNA, it's it 2493 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:45.600 was just a subspecies. And maybe Kyle will find the 2494 02:08:45.640 --> 02:08:47.640 answer here. But I think basically what they're gonna do 2495 02:08:47.720 --> 02:08:52.159 is reintroduce light cinnamon colored oh wow, grizzlies into northern 2496 02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:54.319 California and see if they can sort of bring that back. 2497 02:08:54.399 --> 02:08:56.479 Gotcha interesting? Very cool? 2498 02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:57.920 Is that what you're finding their? Kyle, do you have 2499 02:08:57.960 --> 02:08:58.560 anything there? 2500 02:08:59.279 --> 02:08:59.520 Yeah? 2501 02:08:59.520 --> 02:09:04.880 It says the California Grizzly Research Network plans to conclude 2502 02:09:04.880 --> 02:09:08.560 its work in twenty twenty five and in reintroduction there 2503 02:09:08.920 --> 02:09:13.119 that's interesting. So they're gonna try and basically genetically breed 2504 02:09:13.720 --> 02:09:17.880 these selectively selectively breed these back into this where they 2505 02:09:17.960 --> 02:09:19.399 release like Yosemite era. 2506 02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:22.479 Yeah, I don't know, it'll probably it probably says here somewhere. 2507 02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:24.439 I just sort of saw the headline that they were 2508 02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:25.560 gonna bring grizzlies back. 2509 02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:27.039 It's great, dude, if we could. 2510 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:29.279 Have grizzlies and wolves and all these things back in 2511 02:09:29.359 --> 02:09:32.880 California to balance the ecosystem way more, especially for. 2512 02:09:32.840 --> 02:09:34.359 When none of us are here anymore. 2513 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:37.159 Well, I mean, you know, everybody's like, oh, it's so dangerous, 2514 02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:39.439 we can't do this, blah blah blah blah. They have 2515 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:41.520 all these things in like half the states in the 2516 02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:42.880 United States, you know what I mean. 2517 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:44.840 I think it's Sina Wyoming. They have all of it. 2518 02:09:44.920 --> 02:09:45.560 Nobody else. 2519 02:09:45.640 --> 02:09:48.479 And once again, what do the people in Montana and 2520 02:09:48.479 --> 02:09:51.079 Wyoming say about the wolves and the bears and shit. 2521 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:53.560 So let's listen to what this is in Washington. 2522 02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:55.560 As a matter of fact, because California started this because 2523 02:09:55.560 --> 02:09:57.279 of the Golden Bear. They were trying to bring it back, 2524 02:09:57.319 --> 02:09:59.680 and we will read about it. But now let's talk 2525 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:04.079 about Washington, Oregon. Right here in Seattle, there's a whole 2526 02:10:04.119 --> 02:10:07.720 group of local people, not you California boy, who are 2527 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:11.319 actually got something to say on reintroducing bears, because again, 2528 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:15.680 this isn't a brown bear. It's a light colored grizzly bear. Dude, 2529 02:10:16.319 --> 02:10:17.600 it's a grizzly. 2530 02:10:17.279 --> 02:10:19.520 Fuck that dude. Get rid of all of them. 2531 02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:22.279 They're well, I think it's great. He'll balance out the 2532 02:10:22.319 --> 02:10:23.560 ecosystem in California. 2533 02:10:23.640 --> 02:10:23.800 Yo. 2534 02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:26.039 You mean you'll let them free on your homeless population. 2535 02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:28.159 You might actually be a little bit of a benefit, 2536 02:10:28.199 --> 02:10:29.039 a win win, if you will. 2537 02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:31.960 Yeah, it's going to balance out the human population as well. 2538 02:10:32.520 --> 02:10:33.359 Oh my god. 2539 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:37.319 So let's say Darrington locals say no to reintroducing grizzley 2540 02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:39.119 This is Fox thirteen Seattle. 2541 02:10:40.119 --> 02:10:43.359 The debate of a reintroducing grizzly bears in Washington State 2542 02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:45.520 is growing more divisive by the day. 2543 02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:48.880 Over in the lines are now being drawn. Fox thirteen's 2544 02:10:48.920 --> 02:10:51.560 Lauren Donovan that with local leaders who say returning the 2545 02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:55.119 apex predators to the North Cascades would be a dangerous mistake, 2546 02:10:57.000 --> 02:10:57.239 at the. 2547 02:10:57.239 --> 02:10:59.520 End of the day, it's the federal government's decision, but 2548 02:10:59.680 --> 02:11:01.840 folks here in Darrington, they don't want to take it 2549 02:11:02.000 --> 02:11:05.640 lying down. At a recent public comment meeting, two hundred 2550 02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:08.520 locals showed up to voice their opposition to the reintroduction 2551 02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:12.119 of the grizzlies, saying, hey, Feds, we're the ones who 2552 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:13.079 have to deal with the bears. 2553 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:15.560 Well, the number one thing I think is the danger. 2554 02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:18.680 I mean, we're going to live right here where the 2555 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:20.199 bears are eventually going to be. 2556 02:11:20.760 --> 02:11:23.560 As Kevin ash just pointed out, the FEDS want to 2557 02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:27.720 reintroduce grizzly bears to the North Cascades smack dab within 2558 02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:30.399 that ninety eight hundred square miles sits. 2559 02:11:30.640 --> 02:11:33.399 Darrington locals argue historically the. 2560 02:11:33.359 --> 02:11:35.640 Bears are never here in any significant numbers on this 2561 02:11:35.720 --> 02:11:36.800 side of the Cascades. 2562 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:40.079 Kevin is among the leaders of a grassroots movement here 2563 02:11:40.119 --> 02:11:43.279 in town to keep the humpback predators at bay. Even 2564 02:11:43.319 --> 02:11:46.800 Mayor Dan Rinkin is backing it. He says, the ecosystem 2565 02:11:47.000 --> 02:11:47.960 is just not ready. 2566 02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:52.680 When we bring back the salmon, that's the time that 2567 02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:57.199 we can look at those other building blocks of that 2568 02:11:57.359 --> 02:11:59.239 ecosystem that makes. 2569 02:11:58.960 --> 02:12:00.800 Sense of the community. 2570 02:12:00.840 --> 02:12:04.239 Complain livestock and game like elkin deer could suffer too. 2571 02:12:04.399 --> 02:12:08.000 The biggest fear is your kids, or your somebody in 2572 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:12.239 your family gets small, or god forbid, killed by a grizzly. 2573 02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:16.159 Kevin says recent headlines have left him unsettled. Not that 2574 02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:19.560 long ago, a grizzly bear in Banff killed two experienced 2575 02:12:19.600 --> 02:12:20.800 hikers and their dog. 2576 02:12:21.039 --> 02:12:23.760 They're the apex predator. They fear nothing. 2577 02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:28.399 Wildlife biologists Jason Knight acknowledged bringing back large carnivores into 2578 02:12:28.520 --> 02:12:32.840 any ecosystem is a controversial move, but overall he sees 2579 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:34.039 it as a net positive. 2580 02:12:34.159 --> 02:12:36.239 There's enough havocat up there in the North Cascades. 2581 02:12:36.319 --> 02:12:37.760 But I think it's also going to draw a lot 2582 02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:40.000 more people into the North Cascades too. I mean, think 2583 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:42.840 about how many folks go to Alaska specifically to go 2584 02:12:42.880 --> 02:12:43.760 see grizzly bears. 2585 02:12:43.880 --> 02:12:47.800 Jason pointed out salmon isn't their prime target. Grizzlies are 2586 02:12:47.800 --> 02:12:51.079 more interested in berries and roots. He also says they've 2587 02:12:51.119 --> 02:12:54.279 got a low reproduction rate, so let's say twenty five 2588 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:57.439 are reintroduced, it could take at least a century for 2589 02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:00.000 that population to hit one hundred or two hundred. 2590 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:03.239 It takes years before they can breed and reproduce, and 2591 02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:07.119 then when they have cubs like they usually perish. 2592 02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:09.600 Like the survival rate of cubs is very very low. 2593 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:14.279 Local reporting shows north of US, in New Halem, right 2594 02:13:14.319 --> 02:13:17.560 inside North Cascades National Park. There appears to be split 2595 02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:20.359 reaction to this decision. If you want to give your 2596 02:13:20.359 --> 02:13:21.880 two cents on the matter. 2597 02:13:21.760 --> 02:13:25.840 You've okay. So it's not about the salmon population. Yo, 2598 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:26.159 what did. 2599 02:13:26.119 --> 02:13:28.319 Grizzlies eat salmon? 2600 02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:31.840 I mean, I knew that they eat some roots and berries, sure, 2601 02:13:31.880 --> 02:13:34.359 but they're not black bears do They're not vegans? They're 2602 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:38.520 fucking grizzly bears. Since when do bears not eat salmon? 2603 02:13:38.560 --> 02:13:40.960 I thought that was like literally the entire point of 2604 02:13:41.039 --> 02:13:43.680 the big salmon rush up north. 2605 02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:46.640 Yes the year it's like a big gathering of the bears, right. 2606 02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:50.039 I thought that that was as commonly understood as a 2607 02:13:50.079 --> 02:13:52.079 bear shooting in the woods personally. 2608 02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:57.000 But here we have it titled what was this article? 2609 02:13:57.239 --> 02:14:01.119 Outdoor life dot com. As many as seventy grizzly bears 2610 02:14:01.119 --> 02:14:04.640 will be released in Washington State over the next decade. 2611 02:14:05.079 --> 02:14:07.279 So once again, remember how he said it might take 2612 02:14:07.319 --> 02:14:09.720 one hundred years to get twenty five bears to get 2613 02:14:09.760 --> 02:14:10.359 to one hundred. 2614 02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:13.640 You know, they're starting with seventy. And do they know 2615 02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:16.279 for sure that the bears won't do more? 2616 02:14:16.800 --> 02:14:20.479 Like they're scientifically factual on that, And how do you 2617 02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:23.399 stop it if it does decide to go crazy? And 2618 02:14:23.439 --> 02:14:25.119 like that one town is in the middle of that 2619 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:26.800 national park, like what, they're. 2620 02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:30.680 Just fucked Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it. I would 2621 02:14:30.760 --> 02:14:34.199 definitely not be happy about this if I was living there, 2622 02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:35.600 that's for sure, dude. 2623 02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:38.239 This articles written April twenty ninth of this year. 2624 02:14:38.279 --> 02:14:41.880 As a matter of fact, the idea is safety. It's 2625 02:14:41.960 --> 02:14:45.479 not running for your life. Whenever you go into a 2626 02:14:45.520 --> 02:14:47.960 gas station, No, dude. 2627 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:50.199 Like a gas station, that glass is gonna stop a 2628 02:14:50.239 --> 02:14:53.439 grizzly bro. They'll fall through it accidentally, right right. 2629 02:14:53.600 --> 02:14:56.319 So as many as seventy Grizzly bears will be released 2630 02:14:56.319 --> 02:14:59.640 in Washington State over the next decade. Federal federal agencies 2631 02:14:59.640 --> 02:15:03.039 planned relocate bears from British Columbia and the Rocky Mountains 2632 02:15:03.159 --> 02:15:06.479 until they established an initial population of twenty five grizzlies 2633 02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:07.920 in the North Cascades. 2634 02:15:09.319 --> 02:15:12.800 So definitely twenty five, but up to seventy. 2635 02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:15.800 The National Park Service in the US, fish and Wildlife 2636 02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:19.000 Service released a joint Record of decision on Thursday, finalizing 2637 02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:22.199 a grizzly bear reintroduction into the North Cascades of Washington. 2638 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:24.600 This move doesn't come as much of a surprise after 2639 02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:29.000 a final Environmental Impact Statement advocated for reintroducing grizzlies as 2640 02:15:29.039 --> 02:15:33.359 a non essential experimental population under the ten Jay rule 2641 02:15:33.479 --> 02:15:37.800 of the Endangered Species Act in March. The bears will 2642 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:40.600 be transplanted from the Rocky Mountains in British Columbia. The 2643 02:15:40.640 --> 02:15:43.880 agencies clarify in the Record of decision the details of 2644 02:15:43.920 --> 02:15:47.600 the reintroduction mirror the plan outlined in the final EIS. 2645 02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:50.920 Officials were released three to seven grizzly bears a year 2646 02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:53.439 for five to ten years, with the goal of establishing 2647 02:15:53.920 --> 02:15:57.359 an initial population of twenty five bears. That means as 2648 02:15:57.439 --> 02:16:00.279 few as fifteen bears and up to seventy it would 2649 02:16:00.279 --> 02:16:03.399 be released, depending on how many reintroduced bears die or 2650 02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:07.439 emigrate from the area. Andrew Lavau, a public public affairs 2651 02:16:07.439 --> 02:16:15.000 specialist for the NSFWS Washington Ecological Services Branch. He objects 2652 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:17.520 to the possibility that as many that as many as 2653 02:16:17.560 --> 02:16:20.319 seventy bears could be released and reinforces that the initial 2654 02:16:20.359 --> 02:16:22.640 population goal is only twenty five bears, not seventy. 2655 02:16:23.159 --> 02:16:23.720 He goes. 2656 02:16:24.359 --> 02:16:27.319 The three to seven bears per year figure is to 2657 02:16:27.399 --> 02:16:30.920 allow for flexibility between years. If there are fewer bears 2658 02:16:31.039 --> 02:16:33.399 one year, there could be up to seven the next. 2659 02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:37.879 Bear mortalities do happen as agencies seek to as they 2660 02:16:37.920 --> 02:16:40.840 seek to establish that initial population of twenty five. If 2661 02:16:40.879 --> 02:16:44.760 there is a grizzly bear mortality, that bear could be replaced. 2662 02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:50.639 The ROD also describes a contingency plan for bear mortality 2663 02:16:50.680 --> 02:16:53.200 that estimates some thirty six bears could be released to 2664 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:59.000 establish the population of twenty five. That makes sense, You're okay. 2665 02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:02.040 Basically say that, like, if we drop in thirty six, 2666 02:17:02.360 --> 02:17:05.600 natural causes will probably take out eleven of them. So 2667 02:17:05.680 --> 02:17:09.280 you're gonna lose almost a third of your population just 2668 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:11.719 on accident, just on oop siez bro. 2669 02:17:12.040 --> 02:17:14.959 Based on the projected range of mortality and immigration rates 2670 02:17:14.959 --> 02:17:18.799 for bears released into the NCE, the analysis assumes that 2671 02:17:18.879 --> 02:17:21.319 an additional eleven bears would need to be released in 2672 02:17:21.360 --> 02:17:23.479 the NCE for a total of thirty six bears in 2673 02:17:23.479 --> 02:17:27.079 the primary phase. Each of these alternatives is anticipated to 2674 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:30.200 result in a population of two hundred bears within approximately 2675 02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.479 sixty to one hundred years. There is currently no timeline 2676 02:17:33.520 --> 02:17:37.319 for when these translocations will begin. According to the NPS, 2677 02:17:37.559 --> 02:17:40.239 the US portion of the North Cascades Recovery Zone is 2678 02:17:40.280 --> 02:17:43.399 some ninety eight hundred square miles in size, which the 2679 02:17:43.520 --> 02:17:46.520 NPS points out is larger than the state of New Jersey. 2680 02:17:47.079 --> 02:17:51.319 The ten J designation is a popular tool in predator 2681 02:17:51.719 --> 02:17:55.799 reintroductions across the West, as these reintroductions put more pressure 2682 02:17:55.840 --> 02:18:01.799 on nearby livestock growers and rural rural I hate that word, 2683 02:18:02.200 --> 02:18:07.000 rural residents to protect themselves and their livelihoods. The ten 2684 02:18:07.079 --> 02:18:10.000 J rule adds flexibility to how these predators are managed. 2685 02:18:10.200 --> 02:18:13.959 Rather than giving the reintroduced grizzly bears all the protections 2686 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:17.760 of an endangered species and in and in turn making 2687 02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:21.120 any harassment or use of lethal force against the bears illegal. 2688 02:18:21.360 --> 02:18:24.639 Both lethal and non lethal methods of deterrence are on 2689 02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:27.639 the table for ranchers and times of emergencies under the 2690 02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:30.959 ten This is also the case for Colorado's reintroduced wolves. 2691 02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:36.719 For example, Okay, okay, right, I mean they're saying that 2692 02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:39.479 basically this is gonna go down whether they like it 2693 02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:42.639 or not, and so this article has just kind of 2694 02:18:42.680 --> 02:18:46.440 giving people a good grasp on the situation. 2695 02:18:46.600 --> 02:18:47.520 You can pick up right here. 2696 02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:51.799 Grizzly bears once occupied the North Cascades for millennia before 2697 02:18:51.840 --> 02:18:54.520 getting wiped out the area in the late nineteen nineties. 2698 02:18:55.000 --> 02:18:57.840 The last confirmed grizzly sighting was in nineteen ninety six. 2699 02:18:57.879 --> 02:19:00.559 According to NBS, about eighty five percent of the region 2700 02:19:00.600 --> 02:19:04.120 in federal or is federal land, including North Cascades National Park, 2701 02:19:04.159 --> 02:19:07.520 which is over five hundred and four thousand acres in size. 2702 02:19:07.719 --> 02:19:11.959 The North Cascades region is one of six formal grizzly 2703 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:16.159 bear recovery zones. Two other zones, the Northern Continental Divide 2704 02:19:16.159 --> 02:19:19.479 and the Greater Yellowstone ecosystems, are home to robust grizzly 2705 02:19:19.479 --> 02:19:23.479 bear populations that are expanding beyond their zone boundaries. Agencies 2706 02:19:23.520 --> 02:19:28.360 are also currently considering a reintroduction in the Bitter Root 2707 02:19:28.440 --> 02:19:32.079 ecosystem of Montana and Idaho. The other two recovery zones, 2708 02:19:32.200 --> 02:19:37.399 the Selkirk and Cabinet Yak's ecosystems, are both home to 2709 02:19:37.520 --> 02:19:39.239 roughly forty to fifty bears. 2710 02:19:40.360 --> 02:19:45.600 Okay, so here we have a clarification was made on 2711 02:19:45.639 --> 02:19:48.959 April thirtieth, twenty twenty four real quick, just as I 2712 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:50.200 think that's the end of the article. 2713 02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:51.799 Yeah, it says. 2714 02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:54.600 A previous version of this article was vague in addressing 2715 02:19:54.639 --> 02:19:57.799 the differences between total number of bears released and the 2716 02:19:57.799 --> 02:20:01.639 initial bear popular population goal. It has been updated clarify 2717 02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:05.120 that while the initial North Cascade Grizzly population goal is 2718 02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:08.079 twenty five bears, more than twenty five bears might be 2719 02:20:08.120 --> 02:20:10.959 released over the next decade to achieve that goal. Okay, 2720 02:20:11.799 --> 02:20:14.879 so we already have this going on this year. They 2721 02:20:14.959 --> 02:20:18.920 are absolutely releasing bears into the wild. They are just saying, look, 2722 02:20:19.000 --> 02:20:22.120 us to balance out the ecosystems, rather than like, all right, 2723 02:20:22.760 --> 02:20:25.760 what portion of that ecosystem are you trying to balance out? 2724 02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:28.120 Is there another way to balance that out? 2725 02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:31.559 Rather than introducing predators back to areas where humans now live. 2726 02:20:32.239 --> 02:20:34.639 They don't think about that. They just say, go, go, go, 2727 02:20:35.159 --> 02:20:37.040 And we have a long history. You can go all 2728 02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:39.200 the way back to the Hawaiian Islands, you can go 2729 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:42.479 to the Louisiana Bayous, you can go to the Florida Everglades, 2730 02:20:42.719 --> 02:20:45.120 you can go to California, you can go to Yellowstone. 2731 02:20:45.239 --> 02:20:46.239 All over this country. 2732 02:20:46.239 --> 02:20:48.600 There are so many examples of them trying to fuck 2733 02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:52.159 with mother nature for one of a few different reasons, 2734 02:20:52.200 --> 02:20:55.000 a few different means. I think this one, though, bro 2735 02:20:55.879 --> 02:20:59.040 is to make people scared of going to national parks, 2736 02:21:00.120 --> 02:21:04.200 keep people afraid of going outdoors. It's not to stop hunting. 2737 02:21:04.639 --> 02:21:07.000 Hunters are carrying weapons, and all of us have dreamt 2738 02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:09.040 of the opportunity, right, I mean, that is what it is. 2739 02:21:10.040 --> 02:21:13.600 It's honestly to keep people from going camping and going 2740 02:21:13.639 --> 02:21:15.719 fishing because you never know what you'll see out there. 2741 02:21:15.719 --> 02:21:18.040 There's beers in those woods. That has been a joke 2742 02:21:18.120 --> 02:21:20.040 for the longest time. No, it's not a joke anymore. 2743 02:21:20.559 --> 02:21:23.799 It sounds like it's probably a little bit of everything. 2744 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:27.719 I think that there's probably some people with a few 2745 02:21:27.799 --> 02:21:30.760 more brain cells to rub together that are looking at 2746 02:21:30.760 --> 02:21:33.399 it for the benefits of some kind of control of 2747 02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:37.079 the people and control of what goes on inside the wild, 2748 02:21:37.399 --> 02:21:41.200 inside the national parks and stuff like that. But it's like, 2749 02:21:41.440 --> 02:21:43.520 you know, because I'm sure that there are some people 2750 02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:46.360 in there that you know, deeply just care about animals, 2751 02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:48.479 and they're like, well, we need to get back to 2752 02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:51.440 the natural ways, and you know, we took this land 2753 02:21:51.479 --> 02:21:53.520 from them, And so you have those people with the 2754 02:21:53.559 --> 02:21:59.280 heart I understand that, But then there's also like, yeah, 2755 02:21:59.319 --> 02:22:01.520 I mean, we'll see how. 2756 02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:03.920 That brainpower to it. Then feeling though, brother, there's. 2757 02:22:03.719 --> 02:22:06.559 Got to be logic, right, Well, that's my point is 2758 02:22:06.600 --> 02:22:11.600 that sometimes logic takes time for certain people. And for 2759 02:22:11.719 --> 02:22:14.239 these people who are going to be experiencing probably a 2760 02:22:14.239 --> 02:22:18.159 lot of bear attacks, a lot of wolf attacks, they'll 2761 02:22:18.200 --> 02:22:22.280 see that one heavily outweighs the other whenever it comes 2762 02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:24.520 to reintroduction or non reintroduction. 2763 02:22:25.319 --> 02:22:28.440 I see this as another example of your boy Jeff Goldbloom, 2764 02:22:28.479 --> 02:22:31.200 as he once said, so you were so occupied with 2765 02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:34.200 the thought of if you could that you never stopped 2766 02:22:34.200 --> 02:22:35.040 to ask. 2767 02:22:34.840 --> 02:22:38.399 If you should Jurassic Park. Yes, yes, saying yes. 2768 02:22:38.280 --> 02:22:41.159 Saying this is it's happening before our eyes. Ladies and gentlemen, 2769 02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:43.280 and to all the good cult members out there, you know, 2770 02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:45.000 we are keeping you in the loop of what the 2771 02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:48.239 government is doing behind closed doors out there in the public. 2772 02:22:48.280 --> 02:22:49.000 It doesn't matter. 2773 02:22:49.280 --> 02:22:51.120 We're importing on it, and we are making sure that 2774 02:22:51.159 --> 02:22:53.040 all of you are aware of what's going on. 2775 02:22:53.120 --> 02:22:56.079 That's actually a really good point, dude, because let's I mean, 2776 02:22:56.440 --> 02:22:59.040 you were really really worried about the land and the ecosystem. 2777 02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:03.479 Let's just bring back fucking dinosaurs. Let's let's bring back dragons. 2778 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:04.600 I mean, who cares. 2779 02:23:04.639 --> 02:23:07.040 They want to charcoal some things from time to time. 2780 02:23:07.079 --> 02:23:08.079 They got to eat. 2781 02:23:08.200 --> 02:23:10.719 You know, why are we living in an air conditioned 2782 02:23:10.719 --> 02:23:13.200 home with free on a chemical that was made in 2783 02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:15.319 a plant. Bro We got to go back to living 2784 02:23:15.319 --> 02:23:18.760 in caves and mud huts or driving our cars with 2785 02:23:18.920 --> 02:23:22.440 alleged liquid exploding dinosaurs in the tank. Like, no, no, no, 2786 02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:25.040 we uhuh, we're we're living improperly. 2787 02:23:25.079 --> 02:23:26.360 Maybe the Amish do have it right. 2788 02:23:26.479 --> 02:23:29.559 Well, yeah, maybe we ought to reintroduce ourselves back to 2789 02:23:29.639 --> 02:23:31.479 the ecosystem. See if that works out. 2790 02:23:32.079 --> 02:23:35.239 Just bury ourselves, you know, ashes the ashes dust to dust, 2791 02:23:35.239 --> 02:23:38.559 and just let the earth take us back cycle of life. 2792 02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:41.280 Right, I mean, go out into the woods with with 2793 02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:46.159 no weapons and in these heavily you know, wolf populations 2794 02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:50.799 and the grizzly bear populations, go out there, reintroduce yourself. 2795 02:23:50.920 --> 02:23:54.319 The bears and the wolves aren't gonna starve there. They 2796 02:23:54.360 --> 02:23:57.920 will thrive off of your meat. And you know, we'll 2797 02:23:57.959 --> 02:24:00.000 see if you care about it that much. 2798 02:24:01.719 --> 02:24:04.840 You know, it's people make shit their problem. That has 2799 02:24:04.879 --> 02:24:07.559 not anything to do with any of their problem. But 2800 02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:08.760 it's like virtue signaling. 2801 02:24:09.079 --> 02:24:11.639 And like I said, good cult members, that's what we 2802 02:24:11.719 --> 02:24:12.120 do here. 2803 02:24:12.159 --> 02:24:14.200 We shine a light on those things that might just 2804 02:24:14.239 --> 02:24:16.639 go overlooked, missed, if you will. 2805 02:24:16.559 --> 02:24:17.680 And we bring it to your attention. 2806 02:24:17.719 --> 02:24:20.200 And if you liked this episode, dear cult members, if 2807 02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:22.600 you thought it was entertaining, you thought it was informative, 2808 02:24:22.680 --> 02:24:24.680 you got something you want to add to it. Please 2809 02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:27.959 at this time, hit the five stars, hit the share 2810 02:24:27.959 --> 02:24:29.799 the likes, describe to comment, leave a post, leave review, 2811 02:24:29.799 --> 02:24:31.319 shares with the friends of family, shares everywhere. 2812 02:24:31.319 --> 02:24:33.479 Here's the deal. The more activity the algorithm. 2813 02:24:33.079 --> 02:24:35.360 Sets across all of our listening platforms, the more we 2814 02:24:35.399 --> 02:24:37.559 get promoted to more potential listeners who could then become 2815 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:38.760 potential cult members like the rest of you. 2816 02:24:38.799 --> 02:24:39.639 Finallyies and gentlemen. 2817 02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:41.319 While you're at it and you're in the giving mood 2818 02:24:41.319 --> 02:24:43.399 of the five stars and the reviews, go check out 2819 02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:45.600 Meta Mysteries Jonathan's other channel and give him all the 2820 02:24:45.639 --> 02:24:46.639 love and the reviews as well. 2821 02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:48.879 Go check out the YouTube channel Cajun Night. 2822 02:24:49.159 --> 02:24:52.120 We will be dropping the video vlog of our experiences 2823 02:24:52.159 --> 02:24:54.120 at Brohemian Groove this week. 2824 02:24:54.360 --> 02:24:55.079 Go check me out. 2825 02:24:55.079 --> 02:24:57.159 Give the subscribes, the likes and all the things we 2826 02:24:57.239 --> 02:24:57.520 thank you for. 2827 02:24:57.559 --> 02:24:58.799 Everybody's already gone and done so. 2828 02:24:59.079 --> 02:25:02.239 And by the way, over on Meta Mysteries, me Sean 2829 02:25:02.280 --> 02:25:06.000 and Electro Nick just shot a whole episode on my 2830 02:25:06.440 --> 02:25:09.399 DMT experience. If that's something you're interested in listening to, 2831 02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:11.719 maybe you're thinking about trying it, you might want to 2832 02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:14.200 listen to that first. I know I am but one man, 2833 02:25:14.639 --> 02:25:17.319 but I mean, hey, sometimes I feel like a lot 2834 02:25:17.360 --> 02:25:20.040 of people only ever hear about the good DMT experiences, 2835 02:25:20.319 --> 02:25:22.520 and you don't hear about the bad ones. So if 2836 02:25:22.559 --> 02:25:25.440 that's something that strikes your fancy a little bit, then 2837 02:25:25.479 --> 02:25:28.360 go check it out over on Meta Mysteries. But anyway, 2838 02:25:28.479 --> 02:25:31.520 with all of that being said, this was another beautiful 2839 02:25:31.559 --> 02:25:35.079 episode of the Cult of Conspiracy. 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