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of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

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The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

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head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And

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one of the things I remember the most where the

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eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me. And he begins to tell them that he

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saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

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noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye

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contact with this thing. And don't like deck.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Sanfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight.

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We're joined by my guest Wild Trees. Would you like

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to let the audience know a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, so. I have my own YouTube channel if

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you just type in biologists wild Trees, and I'm a

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scientist who studies biology, which is the study of life,

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living things. You know, like all the way a little

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sell You're made of trillions of cells. As you know that, Brandon,

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there's trillions of living things inside you right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't like thinking about stuff like that, so please

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do not tell me no.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good thing. I argue that this means

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their loneliness never exists because you, yourself, are made of

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trillions of living things and they all care about you,

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and their only job is to keep you alive. How

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can you ever be alone if you actually have trillions

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of lives daring about you with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I get creeped out thinking about all the

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little organisms that are living in my eye sockets or

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and my eye ashes and everything else. So like feed

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on the moistures and everything. I was like that, all

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the little things inside my stomach eating on the foods

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and breaking things apart. And I just try to think

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about stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I hear you loud and clear. Everything you said

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is correct. It does happen, and I understand your feelings.

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Microbiology is not for everybody. I am. I'm a microbiologist.

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That's the main thing I do is study things that

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need a microscope. So insects, water bears, cartet grades are

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another organism I study. But you know what, I love microscopes,

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because to me, it's like it's like the closest to

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going at a time machine. This is one microscope that's

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called the scanning electron microscope. Okay, so you put your

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sample in. It sounds like a spaceship, you know, it's

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just like chamber. You put your sample in and it

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starts revving up and you get these images. Right, and

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this is like traveling somewhere else. So to give you

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an idea of the magnification, Okay, a grain of pollen, right,

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So a grain of pollen is microscopic. Right, It's like

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they float in the air to give you allergies. Right,

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It's basically that's how plants were produced. It's basically plant sperm.

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it's very tidy. When you put it in a microscope,

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it magnifies it to the point that it looks like

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an island. It looks like an island you could walk on.

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like traveling to a whole other dimension. You know, in

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the paranormal world we talk about this dimension interdimensional. Well,

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the microscopic realm is another dimension to me. You know,

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it's a dimension of size and there's so many weird

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things there. But basically, I also like the paranormal. I

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think a lot of it's real. Speaking of microscopes, I

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in paranormal subjects is because we lack the tools to

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view the paranormal. Our eyes are not made, our ears

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are not made to view the paranormal. That's probably an

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evolutionary thing. You know, these things that are paranormal does

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speak for the aliens, time travelers, whatever is out there.

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so I think what we're lacking is a tool to

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idea of you know, microrobes or bacteria was crazy. Nobody

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could imagine it was their paranormal. You know, it's because

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the tools to view these things. It's something fancy, just

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like super cool cameras, you know, like the fleaer cameras

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that Navy jets use, but they're so expensive, you know,

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you and me, we're not gonna be able to afford

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Navy used. But I do have a thermal but I

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can pick up peat signatures, but again, it's not going

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actual church and I publish, and I work at universities,

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and I give talks at you know, institutes and libraries

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and schools and use of all that reason, I use

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a name that is not my real name. So I

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use the name Wild Trees. The name just came to

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me one day. It just came to me, like a download.

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it's a cool name. And the reason why I have

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to use that name is, like I just I remember

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whenever the you know, the subject of paranormal came up,

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he just had such disgust on his face. And a

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lot of people in academia have discussed in your face

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that we could talk about why that is. But he

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would be disappointed at me. So if you saw my

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real name and you saw, you know, this guy Bigfoot,

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he would just be disappointed in me. Probably some people

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that would otherwise want to work with me would be

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disappointed in me. And so I don't use my real name.

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called the Invisible College. Jack Vala was in it, and

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you know his mentor, Heinek was in it. It's just

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a loose term. Invisible College means a bunch of scientists

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they're working secret on the paranormal for the for the

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reasons I mentioned, because it's not publicly accepted.

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but before we kind of do. Was the paranormal something

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and maybe you had a similar interaction, and other Americans

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there was always a little section on the paranormal, you know,

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like five books about the Bermuda Triangle, Bigfoot, you know,

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paranormal experiences. I have had some, and then okay, so

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and that with that, with that show, I realized, holy moly,

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like there's a lot of evidence for the paranormal, especially UFOs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, why do you think, just from obviously being

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in the field and everything, why do you think a

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lot of mainstream science frowns up on these sort of topics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty simple destination. So this pub it started, This

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is this is what is actually happening right now. Okay,

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you would think like science is a tool. That's how

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used to build a house. Science is a tool. The

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spells and rituals. It's just the scientific process. But no,

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they are bigger questions. Okay, so science should be able

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to make it public and they're the only ones that

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are gonna take it seriously. They get their money from

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what's called grants. A lot of the grants come from

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the National Science Foundation. Okay, So that's a tax funded

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organization that you and I pay for. Okay, So you

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apply for these grants and they give you money, and

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then you do a project. But here's the thing. The

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grant the people they offer the grants, they decide what

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the topic is that you're going to study. Okay, So

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they decide, Hey, I'm offering money for a study on salmon.

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How can we make bigger salmon that are more disease resistant.

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They're the ones that say, hey, let's do a study

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on childhood obesity. What's up with all these kids being

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so fat? You know? And so basically, if the government

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doesn't or if nobody not just the government, but the

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governm's the main person. If the government doesn't put out

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any money or any paranormal research to do, then nobody's

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going to do paranormal reach because there's no money in

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it as well, and there's also a lot of risk

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of ridic cool. So that's basically that's that's that's why

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we're at the place were are now. So if there

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was some way to independently get money and you had

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a scientist who didn't mind taking a risk, which we

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have seen this happen Gary, Gary Nolan is doing this.

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Gary Nolan is a scientist who's doing this. You see,

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Robert Bigelow funded a lot of projects. He put millions

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of dollars to scientific projects. But you can see how

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you can see how rare that is for someone out there.

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You need like a rich philanthropist who's willing to do

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paranormal research and funded and that's exactly what a Robert

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Bigelow is. But he's like one in a million. You know.

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Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch at one point and now that's been bought

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out by somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Yeah, I've done a deep dive into his

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time and Skinwalker Ranch. So he bought Skinwalker Rand specifically

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to do research on the paranormal and to make advancements.

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He started a nonprofit organization called KNIDS, the National Institute

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for Discovery Science, and so that was his lab and

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he funded it with some of the I got to

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hand it to him. He found some of the greatest

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sciences in the field to fund it. And here's the

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other thing. He did make discoveries. But remember what I

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told you, Like, nobody has to make it public except

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for the academics. So he's a private individual. So's I'm

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sure he's released a little bit of information and I

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could tell you about it. I can read about it.

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But the vast majority of his research, so he funded papers.

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So in somewhere in his collection, he's got these papers,

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these books, basically the document amazing scientific discoveries. Now he

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hasn't released it because he has no obligation to. He

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paid for it, like he literally owns it. It's it's

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like you buy a beautiful car, right, Like you could

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decide to let other people drive it, so you could

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be like, yeah, you could drive my Ferrari or my Mustang,

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you know, but you don't have to. It's yours. You

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pay for it. You know, you worked hard for that Mustang.

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That's the way he is with his research. There's no

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obligation for him to release it. But yeah, based on

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his interviews that he's done, he's found some incredible things.

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One of the most interesting things he found is like

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he did a direct he did an experiment where he

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was like directly interacting with the paranormal, like whatever the

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entity was. So what he would do, basically, his researchers

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would be a scam rofer ranch. They would be in

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a room like a trailer house, and on the table

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they would get some like you know, like a ball,

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like a rubber ball, and some of those metal jacks.

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You know how I used to play jacks as a kid,

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And I think he said he would like leave him disorganized.

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Then he would have to leave. The researcher will leave

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the room just for like a little bit, and they

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would I guess talk to the entity or something, and

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it would come back and the jacks would be arranged

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and all these you know, interesting configurations, you know. And

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so he was convinced just by the ccumstance of how

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it happened that it was direct those jacks were directly

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being moved around by the entity, and to me, that's

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pretty fascinating. He also said that his research, he kind

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of gave up on it because he saw that the

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paranormal thing that was in Skinwachter rants it was just

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playing games with him. That's what he saw, He's like,

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this is cool. He was like, I'm interacting with it.

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It's even great. It's even coming home with me. We're

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all having the hitch Acter effect. We're having a lot

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of interactions with it. But all he wants to do

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is play games, and he found it hard to make

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any progress with the topic.

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Speaker 2: What did he think that ended up being? Is it

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just like a spirit or something from a different plane

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of existence?

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Speaker 1: That's off the top of my head. I don't know

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if he's ever put a fine point on it. He

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tells a lot of stories, but that direct question. I think, Look,

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I just have to guess based on what he said

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put things together. I think he believes whatever's there is

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intelligence for sure. But I guess that's kind of obvious.

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I guess we would really well, we really want to know,

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is say, what's the source? You know, everybody in the

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paranormal community just they want to just shake the paranormal

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by the collar and be like, just explain yourself. What

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are you? Like, where do you come from? So if

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I I guess it probably thinks it's something interdimensional, which

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is like, what does that even mean? You know? I

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give an example of interdimensional you know, which is like

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us observing something extremely microscopic. That's a different dimension. You know,

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that's that's like a size dimension. So quite literally, you know,

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people say interdimensional. It could be I'm not saying this

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is what's happening, but it could be the something huge

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it's messing with us. You know, maybe the very tip

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of their finger is the size of a mountain. You know,

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that would be interdimensional communication. It'd be like the way

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we interact with the fly. You know. That's just one example.

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But to put an answer, I don't know. I want

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to find out now if he's actually said what he

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thinks it is.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have their own opinions on things.

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But again, I don't think there's any conclusive evidence to

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lean what the paranormal is. Otherwise wouldn't be having this conversation.

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And I know, and I brought this up recently to

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somebody else that wasn't related to the show or anything,

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but we were talking about spirits and they think a

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lot of ghosts quote unquote ghost are people trapped that

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didn't cross over. And I'm wondering, like, if someone died

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and they have the ability to cross over, why would

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they want to stick around here and they're like, well,

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maybe they got things that they didn't finish or unfinished.

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I was like, yeah, but if you're promised a better

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after life, wouldn't you want to go to that afterlife

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unless you're not going to the good place And then

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there's something else and they're hanging around here, so they

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don't want to go to the bad place. It just

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I don't know. I get hung up on that that

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our energy is like trapped here.

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Speaker 1: I have I felt about the same thing. So here's

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my here's my views on the after life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any strong evidence to support this. This

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is just what I believe based on my experiences and

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things I've read and sold. Okay, I do think there's

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an after life. Okay, I think that when you die.

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Here's a curious thing about dying. I think it's I

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think it's probably going to be shockingly similar to what

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it's like to be alive. A lot of the mundane

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things you deal with. You know, it's probably still gonna

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happen when you're dead. It's probably not gonna be any pain,

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you know. That's good. No pain, probably still be mental

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suffering possibly, But anyway, when you die, I think you're

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probably greeted, right, Okay, First of all, you want to

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die happy. They do not die panic, And I know

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that's a tough that's a tough ask, you know, but

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I'm gonna try. My attitude when I die is like, look,

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as soon as I die, it's coming, you know, I'm

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gonna go. I'm just like taking a vacation to somewhere

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I've never been before. There's no fear, you know, there's

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not gonna be any pain. I'm gonna die and I'm

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just gonna visit a new place the afterlife. And it's

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very natural. It's one of the most natural things that

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could happen. It's not unnatural. Everything dies. So you want

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to be calm. You know. It helps if you're sleeping

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when you die, you know, but yeah, try to be calm.

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So if you're calm and you die, I think you're

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probably greeted by other people that you knew, that died,

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that loved you. Okay, they're probably observing you and they're

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there to kind of comfort you and help you through

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this transitory period of death. And unfortunately some people probably

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don't have anybody like that, so it probably is a

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little bit rough for them. You know, here's a question.

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Address what you said. Why would those people hang around?

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You know? So the people that are gonna are gonna

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greet you are gonna be people that loved you that died.

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I don't think they're improgatory. I think they're there by choice.

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I think they're enjoying their time. Here's what I think happens.

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I think when you die, if you had loved ones

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you care about on Earth, you're probably gonna want to

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stick around just to keep an eye on them and

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hang out with them, you know, just look at them

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because you love them. Probably you'll do a lot of

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traveling too, you know, maybe you'll go to another planet,

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or you'll go to the top of Mount Everest, although

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it's not that impressive. I went there in a video

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game called Microsoft Flight Simulator twenty twenty six or twenty

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five or twenty anyway. So so yeah, I think, and

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then eventually what happens eventually happens. Eventually, when you die,

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everybody you know will also die, so they'll all be

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there with you, right Like, eventually you're gonna run out

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of people that you knew that are alive. You know, Sure,

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you're gonna have big rand kids, but you never really

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met them, you know, so eventually, so I think a

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few years go by. Let's say you die, and if

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these peaceful, I think like sixty years go by, however

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long it takes for everybody that you knew when you

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were alive to also die. At that point you have

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less holding you back on Earth, and then you may

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decide to go on to whatever's next. Voluntarily, you may

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decide then to go on to you know, something else,

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Something else happens, you know, perhaps reincarnation. Perhaps that's just

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an option. But yeah, so that's my that's what I think.

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That's why I think people would stick around. I don't

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think it'd be by It would be my choice, but

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it wouldn't be like a bad choice. It would be

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just like, hey, you know, it's like you don't want

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to move too far away from somebody you love. Maybe

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you know you're like, oh, well, I love that person,

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I'm going to move like five hours away from. I

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don't want to move, like, you know, to another country,

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although people do that whole the time. And I also

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think that it's your decision. I think you could probably

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just move on if you want to, uh, you know,

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but some people I think will choose to stay around

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because you still have love one.

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Speaker 2: What about the ones that they claim they have these

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bad entities that are in their homes or they're causing

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issues and they're terrifying people. That's where I get hung

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up on it that I was like, well, that seems

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like a very dark type of energy that would be

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causing some sort of issues in someone's home.

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Speaker 1: I think the pair has so many different explanations. It's

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just one thing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like even like would probably next picture more, you

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know what it could be just like wild men, just

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like really hairy guys that have been living in the

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witch for generations and women I'm not trying to be

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sexist over here, men and women that have been living

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in the forest for generations. And that's what some people are.

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I think some of them are interdimensional, some are probably actraterrestrial.

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Some of them are just basically an ape that lived around.

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So I think that applies to all the paranormal. Okay,

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so I'm just going to give you one possible explanation

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of what these negative entities could be. Just one explanation,

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so you know, I remember I said that I think

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one of the most shocking things will probably be how

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similar the afterlife is to the living life, you know,

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so just like that. I think some people are just horrible,

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and I don't think that changes when you die, you

471
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know what I mean. I think of some of the

472
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,960
worst monsters in history, you know, I don't and I

473
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,039
mean like, I mean like monstrous, Like they get joy

474
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,599
from inflicting suffering. Those people are alive and they die,

475
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,880
And I don't think a switch can flips. I don't

476
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,359
think a switch gets flipped necessarily and they become even

477
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,400
a little bit better. So they may get a kick

478
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,599
out of just terrorizing people that it could be a

479
00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:04,880
simple for some of them.

480
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,559
Speaker 2: I was going to say something like, I think that's

481
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,599
pretty spot on to a degree, because again, there are

482
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,279
terrible people, so it makes sense for them to be

483
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,920
terrible in the afterlife too. But I don't know. I

484
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,039
guess if they want to just stick around to terrorize people,

485
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,359
and I guess that's their prerogative, it just seems kind

486
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,680
of strange.

487
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's possibly strange because we're

488
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,480
not like that at all, you know, you and I

489
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,119
are not like that at all, and all our listeners

490
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,000
are all like that. But I mean, imagine this guy

491
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,400
who's this time, I will say it's the guy. He's

492
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,599
not a girl. There's a man, and he loves torturing

493
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,480
living things right now. I'm sure this man exists somewhere

494
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,559
right now, So it's not like a two par patched

495
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,920
idea if you tell him like, hey, man, now you're

496
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,720
a ghost and you can still terrorize people, but you

497
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,599
don't have any pain, there's no jail. You can like

498
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,680
terrorize anybody anywhere. I assume those are some of the

499
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440
powers that ghost has, you know, just being a disincarnate,

500
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,920
you know, intelligence without a body. I think a lot

501
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,720
of those cycles would like that idea. I think that

502
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:11,480
would excite them. They'd be like, oh my god, this

503
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,920
is like Disneyland. And I mean that's the way, like

504
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,559
I said, that's the way it is right now. You know,

505
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,119
we have free will to a large extent, So some

506
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,240
people decide to use that free will to terrorize people,

507
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,359
to terrorize animals, you know, to create atrocities for their

508
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,440
own enjoyment. So that's what I think. But I have

509
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:33,799
no idea, man, I'm just you know, these are things

510
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,079
that are really far out right to Yeah, we'll all

511
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,920
find out one day that we will know the answer,

512
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,799
but hopefully not any time too.

513
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,599
Speaker 2: You mentioned bigfoot, and is that something else that you

514
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,960
kind of get into, like when the things that you

515
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:50,680
look into is like bigfoot, other weird cryptid stuff.

516
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, I would say on my channel, I'll

517
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,000
just wild trees on YouTube. Bigfoot is a huge component

518
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:00,359
of what I do, mainly because it's an animal or

519
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,480
animal like and I'm a biologist. I also talk about

520
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,839
aliens and abduction, so there are the main ones that

521
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,759
I talk about, I think, But yeah, Bigfoot, I'm super

522
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,759
into Bigfoot. I made one video that's basically called how

523
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:17,759
to collect a Bigfoot Body, So I propose a method

524
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,440
to get the holy Grail of bigfooty, which is a body,

525
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,240
so we can finally prove it's real. So I came

526
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:27,640
up a way to do that, and it's highly speculative,

527
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,119
but I think it's a hell of a lot better

528
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,400
than what we have right now, which is basically, let's

529
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,359
shoot one. Let's shoot this thing that's adapted for the

530
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,359
forest and it can climb as fast as a rocket ship,

531
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:42,440
and let's kill one. It hasn't been done. I don't

532
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,720
think it hasn't done very often. So I just don't

533
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,279
think that's a good plan for getting a body. I

534
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:48,039
think we should get a body better. I don't think

535
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:49,880
it's gonna happen that way.

536
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: What do you think that we should be able to do? Like,

537
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,200
how do you think we should they could catch one?

538
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: To put it very simply, a little background, It's so

539
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,839
there's some intelligent animals like crows and ravens where if

540
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,359
you become friends with them by giving them gifts like food,

541
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,839
they will give you gifts back, and you could kind

542
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,400
of train them to give you certain kinds of things. Right,

543
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,599
this has been shown. It's very you know obvious. Bigfoot

544
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200
has been shown to also accept gifts as well, just

545
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,880
like peanut butter jars. You know, it's a super common

546
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,759
thing in the Bigfoot community. People that live near it

547
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,160
give it gifts. You know, there's all kinds of people

548
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,160
say don't do it, because then you're stuck with the problem. Anyway.

549
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,680
I interviewed a guy named Randy who lives in Minnesota,

550
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,400
and he does a lot of gifting with Bigfoot. So yeah, yeah,

551
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,680
so the accept gifts. So basically, my idea would be

552
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,640
that you form a year long relationship year's long relationship

553
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,319
with Bigfoot, and I do an area with bigfoot here

554
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,720
in Texas's called the Big Thick National Preserve. Lots of

555
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,279
recent Bigfoot sightings, so that probably is Bigfoot there. So

556
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,759
I would just leave the gifts in the streams where

557
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,839
they're at. They're often seen in streams because when you're

558
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480
when you have nature a big forest, they use animals

559
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,119
and wildlife like theyfoot. They use streams and creeks as

560
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,079
corridors or highways to travel, so they're often seen there,

561
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,880
you know, because there's less trees, and yeah, it's just

562
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,160
a great I use it all the time too. If

563
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,160
I'm doing apiology project in the woods and I need

564
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,880
to get from there to hear, I'll try to take

565
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,279
a stream to get there, because you know, you don't

566
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,599
have to deal with the trees. So I would find

567
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,119
one of those spots I would start, or I would

568
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,759
just go to someone who already has a gifting area,

569
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,680
start leaving gifts, building the relationship. Given bigger gifts. You know,

570
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,960
they like tobacco, they like all kinds of stuff, you know,

571
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,640
just but I'm telling you like big gifts, you know,

572
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:43,000
like I'm spending money on these guys, right, liquor maybe cigars, tobacco. Anyway, Eventually,

573
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,920
here's the thing. I want them to give me, the

574
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000
ultimate gift, which I would want them to trade me

575
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,799
some kind of body, maybe like a Bigfootthand and here's

576
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,799
the other thing. Okay, how are they going to get

577
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,000
the body? Well, I want them to get a body

578
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,400
that has naturally died in an accident or of old age,

579
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,799
you know, so I would have to work up to that.

580
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,079
So basically to put a fine bow on it. My

581
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,279
idea for how to get a body from Bigfoot is

582
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,519
to ask Bigfoot for a body, which I don't think

583
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:16,599
anybody's ever proposed. And it's not just asking, but asking

584
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,160
by trading for it something big. I'm talking about two

585
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,839
tons of pancakes, maple syrup, the good stuff, a lot

586
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,079
of stuff for a body.

587
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if this has been something that's been done.

588
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,880
I assume it has been. But you know how a

589
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,480
lot of people go out and ask, Like paranormal investigators

590
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,720
will go to a haunted house and they ask questions

591
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,799
and they bring out these boxes for communication and anything.

592
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,759
As someone tried to do that in a Bigfoot area.

593
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,920
See if they have any way of manipulating some of

594
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,359
these spirit boxes or these little meters or something, because

595
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,160
I know people claim that these things can talk to

596
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,359
them with mind speak or stuff like that. Have they

597
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,319
ever tried to actually use a device that can pick

598
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:57,880
up stuff.

599
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure some, but he must have done it, but

600
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,839
I haven't seen any evidence of it. Something pretty interesting

601
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400
happened somewhat similar, so it's on my YouTube channel. So

602
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,920
I did one interview with Randy, the guy from Minnesota

603
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,960
that's got Bigfoot living around him, right and I asked him.

604
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,640
I was like, hey, Randy, I mean we're having an

605
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,720
interview live right now. The Bigfoot are here. They've been

606
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,160
in your house one time. You know, something went in

607
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480
his house and pete all over the bed and it

608
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480
was really weird smelling pete and some other stuff happened

609
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,279
in his kitchen. So he thinks it was Bigfoot. It

610
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,039
probably was, or something similar. So anyway, I knew Bigfoot

611
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,279
was there. So I was like, Randy, can you ask

612
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,400
Bigfoot to give us a sign if they're here, if

613
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,720
they're listening, you know, kind of like kind of like that.

614
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,519
So he did it. He was like, okay, Bigfoot. You know,

615
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,039
he talked to him because he talks to them often.

616
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,160
He goes saying, so he asked them, I guess just

617
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,480
to give a sign, right, And then I don't know,

618
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,960
a few seconds went by, maybe a minute, not that long,

619
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,240
and his feed completely cut off, you know, we lost connection.

620
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,279
And then we went back and I got it back

621
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:54,720
on the line on the video feed, and then we

622
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,559
just we talked about it. We're like, we made a face.

623
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,640
We're like, was that a sign? You know? Like is

624
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,759
he how he tried to show us that they're here.

625
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,000
So I'm definitely down with that idea. You know, one

626
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,319
idea I have with Bigfoot is I want to make

627
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,319
a book called Cooking for Bigfoot or a cook book

628
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,279
for Bigfoot. So I want to go out to Minnesota

629
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,359
with Randy where he normally gives Bigfoot gifts. And so

630
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,000
the idea of the book is just writing about my

631
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,039
experiences interacting with Bigfoot. I'm not trying to get a

632
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,000
photo or scare of them or anything. But what I

633
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:23,400
would do is I would go out to his little

634
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,480
gifting area with like a little table and like a

635
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,359
little stove and all my ingredients, and I will start

636
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,880
cooking up some banana fosters, you know, some peanut butter

637
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,279
brittle or peanut butter cookies or a steak, like every day.

638
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Every night, I would just make a new dish for

639
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,839
Bigfoot right now. I would just talk to him, you know,

640
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,079
if they're watching through the shadows, make the meal, explain

641
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,279
it to him, write down to the recipe for the cookbook,

642
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,319
and then I would just leave it there and just go,

643
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,240
you know, f off, you know, I would f off

644
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,960
for the night and come back and see what happened, like,

645
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,920
did Bigfoot like it? You know? And so I'm not

646
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,720
trying to pressure Bigfoot it either. I'm not like, hey man,

647
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:58,880
I'm trying to prove it rail. I no, like, literally, dude,

648
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,559
I just want to cook for you, and I just

649
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,480
want to see what you like. And if it's okay

650
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,160
with you, I'll just write the recipes down and I'll

651
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,640
just write down what happened. And so I think that'd

652
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,240
be a great experience, maybe a little documentary or a book.

653
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,680
But that's kind of like around along lines of what

654
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,759
you're saying. It is basically just trying to start a

655
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,920
direct communication with Bigfoot, whether it's with an electronic tool

656
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,240
or with leaving it you know, food of different types.

657
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,519
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people kind of I've heard

658
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,000
the stories. I don't know Randy personally, but I've heard

659
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,960
someone else that has talked to him, and they've told

660
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,000
me some of the things that he's explained. And when

661
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,240
it comes to the bigfoots in the house, I've talked

662
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200
to someone that says they've had bigfoots in their house

663
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,519
and everything, and I'm kind of a skeptic on some things,

664
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:47,079
and I'm like, well, if these things are in your

665
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,119
house but you're not seeing them, I can't explain it.

666
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:55,039
It's almost got that whole supernatural element to it. Again,

667
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,279
So I often wonder as like, are they really what

668
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,559
we think are bigfoots or is it something else? Just

669
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200
letting people think that they're a bigfoot but it's actually

670
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,160
something else.

671
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,759
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, I have. I've thought about this too scientifically.

672
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,079
Another one of my topics. Okay, so I thought about this.

673
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,640
It's dealing with poultry geist. Oh, poltry gist is another

674
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,799
huge interest of mine. Super fascinated by poultry guist. I think,

675
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,200
once again, pultry guyst I think there's a bunch of

676
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,039
different causes to not just one cause and if you

677
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,720
read the encyclopedias. I actually have a psychedia about the

678
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,920
paranormal written by a bunch of academics. But if you

679
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,000
read the literature, because you know, pultry guy stories go

680
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,799
back so far, you know they believe at the time

681
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,839
that they had different causes. It wasn't just one cause

682
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,359
of a poultry guy. So I think one cause of

683
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,200
it is a a paranormal animal an entity. Okay, So

684
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,200
I'm gonna talk about what it does, which I think

685
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,559
Bigfoot might also do. Okay, to explain why people can't

686
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,599
see it. All right, So these are just animals. I

687
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,039
think some potrygeists are just animals, and I think Bigfoot

688
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,720
are just animals. In some cases, however, they could do

689
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,440
these random thing where they throw things and you can't

690
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,559
see them, you know in your house, or things seem

691
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,799
to move at a weird rate, or starts raining inside,

692
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,960
or you know, in Randy's case, somebody peas on the

693
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,039
bed but you don't really see it. So how could

694
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,719
that happen? Okay? So I think it could be an adaptation,

695
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,559
a radical adaptation, an adaptation. Biologically speaking, it's something that

696
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,119
your body has that allows you to survive. Better. Okay,

697
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,920
so we have adaptations, right, we have you know, hearing,

698
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,599
you know that allows us to survive better. But we're

699
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,519
a little bit boring. Let's talk about it egle. You know,

700
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,840
an eagle has an adaptation of super telescopic vision, right,

701
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,519
so they can see super far away. Right. Let's talk

702
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,119
about some more radical adaptations that we know about. Let's

703
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,760
talk about the fish called the electric eel. Okay, the

704
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,840
electric eel can use its body made of just you know,

705
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,599
just cells like I talked about, and it could create

706
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,280
such a high electrical charge that it could kill a person,

707
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,480
you know what I mean. And that's what it does.

708
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,320
It kills fish. And that's pretty radical, you know, think

709
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,199
about a human being able to do that. It's a

710
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,760
radical adaptation. So I think some pair of normal entities

711
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,280
have another vatical adaptation. It's called time dilation. So time

712
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,239
dilation is real physics phenomenon. And so let me just

713
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,239
explain how it's done, how I think they do it,

714
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,800
and what it means when they do it. Right, just

715
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,000
like the electric kiel, time dilation. If you have a

716
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:19,599
lot of energy, you're able to produce a large energy

717
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:25,079
out discharge. You know, you're able to basically move at

718
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,480
a slower time than everybody else. Okay, so what does

719
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,800
that mean. That means that it'll look like like if

720
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,719
you're experiencing time dilation. Let'say you're at Bigfoot. You have

721
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,880
this biological adaptation in your body and let you release

722
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,280
all this energy at once, and then that causes time dilation.

723
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,039
So now you're in time dilation mode. What happens is

724
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,760
that everything around you looks like it's moving super slow motion.

725
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,000
So if somebody was shooting a gun at you and

726
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,719
you turned on time dilation mode, the bullets would be

727
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,559
coming out of you like a slot, like a like

728
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,440
a slide show, you know, like super slow motion. That

729
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,280
you would be able to move at a regular speech

730
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,679
or you'll be able to dodge it, you'll be able

731
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,360
to throw things. So from your perspective, everything's almost at

732
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,119
a standstill. It's because of time deleasue, which is a

733
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,920
real physical phenomenon. But to everybody else, you know, you'd

734
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,079
be moving so fast you wouldn't even seen you another

735
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,639
really uh, there's two movies that really show this really well.

736
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,880
Is the X Men franchise with a quicksilver Yep. There's

737
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,679
a few movies that brilliantly show what that would look like,

738
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,880
and also some more recent movies called Sonic the Hedgehog.

739
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,639
He does it as well. I guess the Flash does

740
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:31,360
it as well in his movie. But yeah, so I

741
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440
think some animals, I think that's the adaptation they have,

742
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800
like like poultry guys in Bigfoot. So you know, it

743
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,880
sounds radical, but like I said, I think there are

744
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,440
radical adaptations. I think some of these paranormal entities are

745
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,400
really outside our understanding of normal things, and so we

746
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,039
have to think about these crazy things. You know. If

747
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,639
we only think about things like incrementally, like we only

748
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,119
think a little bit outside of our understanding, we're only

749
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,519
going to make small discoveries, you know. If we expand

750
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:02,599
our uh our imagination, you know, then we'll make bigger discoveries.

751
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,039
And so anyway, that's one possiblistination to why how that

752
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:07,559
might happen.

753
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: I interviewed someone a couple of years ago now, and

754
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,800
he wrote a book basically explaining that Bigfoot is like

755
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,719
the forest Poultergeist, because if you have bigfoot activity out

756
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,480
in the woods, if you bring all that stuff into

757
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,039
your house, people say their house is haunted with the Poultergeist,

758
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:24,480
but since it's out in the woods, they claim it's

759
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,400
the big Foot, right, and it's it's true. Like the

760
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,519
things that people hear the NOx, they hear things being

761
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,559
thrown at on this and that, But you also have

762
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,519
that happen in your homes. And then like Randy where

763
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,960
he claims he's had bigfoot in his homes, to me,

764
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,440
it almost sounds like Poultergeist activity, but he's saying it's

765
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,719
bigfoot communicating with him.

766
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: Well, okay, once again, we're throwing to so many things.

767
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,440
So once again, everything I say, I'm not saying it's

768
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,639
that seems true, right, yes, But another thing I thought about,

769
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
in a situation like Randy, or in a situation where

770
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,960
you have a lot of different types of paranormal activity

771
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,360
at once, that seemed very different. It could be that

772
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440
it is different. And this is what I thought about.

773
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,000
I thought, maybe when you have one paranormal entity, it

774
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,119
attracts other paranormal entities around it. And here's an example. Okay,

775
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,639
so there's this fish which you may be familiar with,

776
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,079
called the remorra. Are you familiar with the remora?

777
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: I've heard of the name. I don't know what it is.

778
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: So the Remora fish, I'm not sure if all of

779
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,559
them hang out with sharks, but there's definitely a big

780
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:27,840
group of them to hang out with sharks.

781
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the thing swims under them like eats the parasites.

782
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and his face is like designed just to

783
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,440
stick to a shark. It's crazy, right, So I think

784
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,599
that's I think there's probably remora is in the paranormal

785
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:42,599
as well. So what I'm trying to say is that,

786
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,239
you know, let's say Randy, he's got his big Foot there, uh,

787
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,920
he that Bigfoot's got some little remorras other entities that

788
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,159
are kind of attached to him that come from his world,

789
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000
the paranormal world, And that could be the secondary things

790
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,320
you're seeing. So it could very well be something different

791
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,559
that's in his house, maybe like you know, like a

792
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,360
culture or some kind of weird other animal that's connected

793
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,400
to Bigfoot. But isn't Bigfoot another explanation possible.

794
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,519
Speaker 2: I've talked to someone that claims that they've had Bigfoot

795
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:15,119
around their house and they've sent me photos before, and

796
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,920
a lot of the stuff that I see in the photos,

797
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,440
I can't necessarily see a Bigfoot, but I see something

798
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,239
and then there's sometimes that they claim bigfoot appears as

799
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,400
a mist.

800
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,199
Speaker 1: Right.

801
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Again, that sounds very supernatural to me, like it's got

802
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,599
that paranormal vibe to it, because people see these shapes

803
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,960
or these shadows or these mists and people call them

804
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,800
ghost but some people now are saying these are bigfoot.

805
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,719
I was like, again, I wonder if the things that

806
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,880
we're interpreting have Bigfoot or spirits or everything. Maybe they're

807
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,079
all from the same plane of existence and we just

808
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,400
still don't understand it yet.

809
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: No, I think you're right, and I think you're looking

810
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,280
at it the right way. Okay, so correctly if I'm wrong.

811
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,199
But it looks like you're trying to find a bigger

812
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,360
picture explanation. You're not getting caught up into details, which

813
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,599
I think is very I think that's what we should do.

814
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,480
I don't think we should get caught up on the

815
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:08,239
details of the paranormal encounters themselves. Here's why. Okay, So

816
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,599
we do the things we see and we hear, we

817
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,599
should not get too caught up on that. And I'll

818
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,079
tell you right now, it's because I talked college for

819
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,039
about three years. You know, a college freshman a class

820
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,679
called Foundations of Science introductory science course. But one of

821
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,639
our one of the sections which I helped write, and

822
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,360
I got it published in the textbook, so I co

823
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,599
authored the textbook. But one of the chapters, one of

824
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,880
the lesson plans we did, was all about our perception

825
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,440
as humans and how how incredibly fragile and manipulable it is.

826
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,480
It's so easy. So basically what I'm saying is our

827
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,280
eyes are I'm sorry to say, but they are crap.

828
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,039
You know, crap. They're not great eyes at all. They're

829
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,280
easily deceived, optical illusions. You know, our memory is so

830
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,960
easy to manipulate. That would do an experiment in class

831
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,599
where I would just be talking about this topic and

832
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,880
at the time I had my girlfriend come in, and

833
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,519
she would just come in, whisper something in my ear,

834
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,079
and leave like it was no big deal. And then

835
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
a few minutes later I'd be like, okay, guys, someone

836
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,360
just came in, right, we all saw her. Let's write

837
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,559
down what she look like, what color dress was she wearing.

838
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,400
You know they would get it wrong, dude. You know

839
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,679
that's just one experiment we did. So never trust your eyes.

840
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,920
I saund like some kind of weird guy like don't

841
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
believe your light eyes. But I'm I try to say,

842
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,360
is that look man, our eyes and our hearing and

843
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,280
our memory are so so easily betricked. Because it's good

844
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,719
enough to survive. You know. We can live, we can

845
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719
make money, we can eat the hot dogs, get a girlfriend,

846
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,760
have a family, we can do all that stuff. But

847
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,320
you have to know that it's so weak. So we

848
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,079
can't concentrate on all the little details of a paranormal

849
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:53,920
encounter because our eyes are so bad, you know, we

850
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,360
cannot we cannot depend on them, you know. So it's

851
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,360
better to look at the bigger picture, like what's going

852
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,800
on a few steps back. That's something I learned in

853
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,119
college as well, which it looks like you're onto that path,

854
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,639
which is basically like always take a step back and

855
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,039
then take another step back. Right, So, if I'm studying

856
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:12,880
this one tree in as far as an example, I'm

857
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,639
studying this one tree in the forest, and I really

858
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,679
I think it's the most coolest tree ever, let me

859
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,920
take a step back to understand it better. Now I'm

860
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,480
not looking just at the tree. I'm looking at the

861
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,280
forest around it, right, And that's gonna looking at the

862
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,400
bigger picture is gonna help me understand that tree I

863
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,039
started off with, and then I could take another step back,

864
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,920
you know, Okay, now I'm looking at the states or

865
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,519
the county, you know, something bigger, and so forth and

866
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:34,039
so forth.

867
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of

868
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,360
things out there that have similarities to them, and especially

869
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,519
when you listen to people that talk about the things

870
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:47,800
that they've encountered. So usually people that have had a

871
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,519
paranormal encounter, I've found out that they typically sometimes will

872
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,840
have a UFO like they've seen UFO, or someone that

873
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,400
said they've seen a big foot, they've been in the

874
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,519
house before that they claim never was haunted or whatever.

875
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,719
There's been more than one time that these people have

876
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,199
usually had similar experiences, and I think a lot of

877
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,800
people have experiences and we typically just write it off

878
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,960
because we don't know how to interpret it. So we

879
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,159
get those weird innu windows or something, and we just

880
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,320
kind of ignore it because again it's a coincidence or

881
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,760
some strange circumstance or something like that, but we don't

882
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,639
see it as a paranormal type event. It could just

883
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:25,920
be a normal event. We're calling it paranormal because this

884
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,639
stuff is always around us. We just aren't open enough

885
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,800
to it. And I think that a lot of people

886
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,400
experience this stuff, but I think a lot of the

887
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,440
things that their experiences are all related one way or

888
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:37,760
the other.

889
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: That don't makes sense looking at my personal history, my

890
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:49,039
paranormal things I had, so I had. I think the

891
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:50,840
earliest thing I had happened was I had like an

892
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,039
invisible hand grab my wrists, which I some got commented

893
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,119
on my YouTube channel they also had an invisible hand

894
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,400
grab their wrist. I thought that was a really interesting

895
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,920
It is called not an idiosyncrecy, but when things line up.

896
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,559
Speaker 2: In chronicity, synchronicity.

897
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like what I was like, I've never

898
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000
heard of that. Like the fact that you saw my

899
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,880
channel and you saw my episode on Poltrygeist and that

900
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,320
you commented and you said a story about an invisible

901
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,239
hand grabbed your wrist and I had an invisible grand

902
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,920
grab my wrist. What are the odds? So I had

903
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,280
that invisible hand when I was ten, and then when

904
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,599
I was like nineteen, I had a classic gray alien abduction.

905
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,559
And then when I was in college, like in twenty sixteen,

906
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,480
I had I saw just a small UFO like an

907
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,199
orb of light with my research assistant at the time.

908
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,920
And then a little bit later after that, I received

909
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,679
a phone call. I was in a research station in

910
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,719
the woods alone and I received a phone call, which

911
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,960
is very bizarre. Two things called me, and I don't

912
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,360
know what they were. They sounded like goblins. They were

913
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,199
not talking to English. I don't think it was a

914
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,440
human language. They were aliens or goblins or something. Anyway,

915
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,760
if you look at all these things that happened to me,

916
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,079
very different, you know, in flavor, like you said, But

917
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:05,639
I like the thing you said about the paranormal being

918
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,920
all around us. There's this idea that like our modern life,

919
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,039
as God is distracted, you know, we could we miss

920
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:13,639
a lot of things because our phone, our head is

921
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,039
in the phone or thinking about other things. We're not

922
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,159
close to nature. You know, if you go back a

923
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,199
few hundred years, you know you lived in nature. You

924
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,159
know things were quieter, Your mind is quieter. So I

925
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:24,760
do think there's a lot of truth to the idea

926
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,039
that we our culture has grown us to modern culture

927
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,559
and big urban cities has conditioned us to not be

928
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,480
so sensitive to the paranormal, and perhaps the paranormals all

929
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,559
around us It never went away. It's just that we're

930
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:38,119
not observing it.

931
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,639
Speaker 2: Like you said, if you look at how the Native

932
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,840
Americans were tied into with the surrounding areas, and they're

933
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,760
very spiritual or whatever, like you said, hundreds of years ago,

934
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880
that was the normal. But for us and the settlers

935
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,440
and everything else back then, they all thought that stuff

936
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,679
was witchcraft. And then what do we do to the witches?

937
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,679
We are an ome or hung home or whatever. Anything

938
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,079
that was not normal Christianity back in those days. We

939
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,840
astardized them to crucibles or whatever we went through. I

940
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,360
think that mindset is what's kind of got us away

941
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,159
from that connection to the other side. I think that

942
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,960
stuff has always been here, it's just we're too far

943
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,679
removed from it at this point to accept it. Now

944
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,400
it's just old folklore, mythological stuff, or we call it paranormal.

945
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,519
But again, I think it's just stuff that's always been

946
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:31,440
around us.

947
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,519
Speaker 1: I had the exact same thought. Let me elaborate on

948
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,519
how I approached that topic. So once again, I think

949
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,159
you're right, and I've thought about it a lot. So

950
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,199
I'm stuck on this idea of culture. Culture is very

951
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,800
important to me, and I don't like how we're manipulated

952
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,519
by culture. Don't like it at all. So I was

953
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,920
reading this. I was helping the student read a book

954
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,920
I was teaching recently, and I'm not sure what the

955
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,199
name of the book is, Like Fahrenheits nine to eleven.

956
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Is that what it's called.

957
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one called that, and there's also like I

958
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,639
think fair Nheit five something another Earth for something.

959
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, this was the first time I read it,

960
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,679
so I'll put it in the comments later or wherever

961
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,400
you post it. Everyway, there's this Fahrenheit book I was reading,

962
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,760
and it got'd be thinking about in that book how

963
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,039
the government manipulates culture and what we believe to a

964
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,840
really big level. But of course the author was trying

965
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
to say it's already happening. So this is what I

966
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:28,960
was thinking about culture. It's like so fascinating to me.

967
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,280
I was like, look, culture is so manipulative, especially with

968
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,920
the paranormal. It's like you walk around you talked about

969
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,280
UFOs and everybody laughs and everybody giggles, and it's weird,

970
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,440
like why are you doing that? Like why are you laughing?

971
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,679
What's because culture we've been conditioned to that. What if

972
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,320
it went a different way. This is what this one

973
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,920
I'm talking about culture, So like flexible, what if like

974
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,760
when Roswell happened, it wasn't kept secret and everybody just knew, hey,

975
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,960
we found a flying saucer. And then from that point

976
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,119
on it was just common knowledge we have flying saucers

977
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,119
and it was taught in school and nobody laughed. You know,

978
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,760
that would drastically change the world. You know what world

979
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,400
would we be in right now? You know, nobody would

980
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,440
laugh about UFOs because we're like, oh yeah, there was

981
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:13,320
that Roswell crash and we got those alien bodies. Yeah, yeah,

982
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,519
it's just pretty interesting how that happened. And so yeah,

983
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,679
and so like you're saying back in the old days

984
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,639
where different cultures maybe still do it, but like Native Americans,

985
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,679
you know, they were one hundred percent open to the

986
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,559
spiritual world. You know, they didn't laugh at it. You

987
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,079
took it seriously. And so when you were born in

988
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,320
that culture or everybody around you, you also took it

989
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,000
seriously and you explored those ideas. And so yeah, I

990
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:41,280
do think we're heavily manipulated by by my culture, because

991
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,239
like if I asked my friend, who's a doctor, and

992
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,119
I talked to him all the times about UFOs. You know,

993
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,719
if I mentioned UFOs, he automatically is like, no, that's bs,

994
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,920
you know, and kind of aggressive about it too, you know.

995
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,079
And I wondered, like, why are you like this? Like

996
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:56,480
what made you like this? I know you haven't done

997
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,440
any deep dives into research yourself. You're a doctor, you

998
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,760
know you understand research. But I know for a fact

999
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,079
you haven't done any research on this subject, you know,

1000
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,679
and you haven't looked at it deeply. You're like doing

1001
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,119
something very unscientific. You're just dismissing something without any evidence.

1002
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,840
You're just assuming. And why it's because of culture. He

1003
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,960
is a he's a victim of the culture we live in,

1004
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,079
in my opinion.

1005
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,559
Speaker 2: Even within the field that you're in. Well, again, you

1006
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,679
don't come out and tell everyone who you are. I

1007
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,400
wonder if maybe that's part of the why he is

1008
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,840
the way he is too, because he's a doctor and

1009
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,199
he doesn't want people to think that he thinks that way,

1010
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,000
because then people are going to think that he can't

1011
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,960
do his job correctly because he thinks of these wild things.

1012
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's that's part of it. That's part

1013
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,960
of it. I mean that that's that's influencing him. But also,

1014
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:48,719
like I said, when I talk to him, you know,

1015
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,760
we we talked. He's he's one of my good friends

1016
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,599
and he's a smart guy. So we could talk a lot.

1017
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,440
So sometimes we'll talk for like eight hours straight. We

1018
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,760
don't do that all the time, you know, like once

1019
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,679
and once every two weeks, but we'll talk for a

1020
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,800
very long time and we never run out of topics.

1021
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,039
But I know when I talk to him, he's being open.

1022
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:06,039
You know, he's not uh, he's not afraid of ridicule.

1023
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,679
Although now that you mentioned it, like, yeah, probably it

1024
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,480
is subconscious he is. I kind of see where you're

1025
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,559
coming from. Now, Yeah, I think I think perhaps in him.

1026
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,079
Well I didn't even know it, that's all you mentioned it,

1027
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,119
But now that I start thinking about it, yeah, I

1028
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:20,519
think you're on something there.

1029
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: I just think, like if people have a to be

1030
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,960
one hundred person, honest, I'm kind of that way because

1031
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
of what I do in my normal job. Like I

1032
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,800
never told people what I do a podcast because they

1033
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,840
found out and it is what it is at this point.

1034
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,159
Speaker 1: But you had a cameo in Pagodia, one of the

1035
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:41,760
best movies ever made, so you could tell them to

1036
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,360
shove it.

1037
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't worry about that now. Like

1038
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,400
someone we had a meeting and they actually mentioned that too,

1039
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,360
that I was in that movie, and I was like, yeah, Like,

1040
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,360
I don't go out and brag or tell people about

1041
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,280
certain things. I'm like, I just kind of go about

1042
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,639
my business because what I do is what I do.

1043
00:50:58,559 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: Hear you.

1044
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: But but uh, because of the stuff that I'm in

1045
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,960
charge of and everything else, I don't need people thinking

1046
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:08,039
like I'm some crazy guy out there, conspiracy nut or

1047
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:12,159
whack job out here in charge of all the stuff

1048
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,400
that I do. Yeah, but that's that's the stigma we

1049
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,559
live in in this type of world. Because again, if

1050
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,239
you look into stuff like this, it's not socially acceptable

1051
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,239
for people to come out and talk about cryptids or

1052
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,679
aliens or ghosts. It's still got that stigma to it.

1053
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: But the hypocrisy, the religious hypocrisy. Before I go into

1054
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,079
this little rant, let me just say I love all

1055
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,880
religions and I respect them. You know, whatever religion you are,

1056
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,440
whoever listening to this, I respect your religion and uh yeah,

1057
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,440
let me just get that out of the way. Okay,

1058
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,079
but religions are the biggest hypocrites because so your boss

1059
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,239
would be a Christian and he's like, hey, I believe

1060
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:55,400
Jesus rose from the dead, you know, and I believe.

1061
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,800
I'm not trying to make fun of anybody. I go

1062
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,519
to church all the time. I'm just well, I'm just

1063
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,559
trying to point out the fact, why is it okay

1064
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,719
to be religious and believe things that are equally as

1065
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,599
radical as what we believe and you have no ridicule.

1066
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
I just think it's a bit hypocritical, That's all I'm saying.

1067
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: That is what I've been saying for years. And I've

1068
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,320
been dealing with this entire week because i released a

1069
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,079
trailer for my documentary and I've had people saying how

1070
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,719
stuff is fake, that stuff's not real, and they're super religious.

1071
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,079
People are like, I've been out there the whole time.

1072
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,039
I've never seen anything. Okay, Well, you go to church

1073
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:31,719
every Sunday, but you've never seen God. Right, I'm I

1074
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,679
was just gonna say, so, what's the difference, Like, just

1075
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,079
because you haven't seen anything happening out there, doesn't mean

1076
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,599
that's not happening.

1077
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And it's it's particularly funny to me. Once again,

1078
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,800
I respect all religions, man, I think religions are an

1079
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,440
overall nit good. Yeah, I don't want to go into

1080
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,159
it too much, but it's interesting to me, especially with

1081
00:52:55,199 --> 00:53:00,320
extraterrestrials that uh most religous.

1082
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:09,599
Speaker 3: A lot of the major religions like Christianity, Islam, h Hinduism, anyway,

1083
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,119
any any religion like the ones I mentioned where they

1084
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,840
have in their story that Earth had a creator, Earth

1085
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,920
was made by an entity, a God, right like Christianity. Uh,

1086
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:26,760
by definition, that's extraterrestrial worshiping religion. Just I'm just I'm

1087
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,639
just I'm just looking at the definition of what an

1088
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:29,480
extraterrestrial is.

1089
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: It says right here, you're not from Earth, Okay, your

1090
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,199
origin is not Earth. Okay. Then I'm looking at Genesis

1091
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,320
and I'm reading the first couple of lines of Genesis.

1092
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,480
Here it says that God created the Earth. Okay. So

1093
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,679
I'm thinking, Okay, God is not from Earth, right, he

1094
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,440
made the Earth, so how can he be from there?

1095
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,320
So it looks like he's an extraterrestrial. So it looks

1096
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,559
like these Christians are literally worshiping an extraterrestrial. Now I'm

1097
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:51,920
just gonna put it out there. I do not. I

1098
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,360
personally do not worship in extraterrestrials at the moment. But

1099
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Christians do. They do worship extraterrestrials.

1100
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: How odd They're gonna get a lot of people mad.

1101
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,159
Speaker 1: I know I'm not try That's why I keep saying, dude,

1102
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,639
Christianity is great. I'm just am I wrong?

1103
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Like, no, I understand what you're saying that I.

1104
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: Know, I know you understand. I'm asking the person I'm

1105
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,639
asking them. Am I wrong? Am I being disrespectable? I'm

1106
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:20,960
sorry if I am, But I'm not trying to.

1107
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:23,199
Speaker 2: I've tried to point out stuff like this before too,

1108
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,280
because and it gets controversial and people. I'm not trying

1109
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,960
to like dog on religion. Like I grew up in

1110
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,480
a Christian home and everything. My family are still Christians

1111
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,519
and my parents still go to church, but I personally

1112
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:38,000
don't because I find the religious type of people no

1113
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:41,320
offends to anyone listening, but most of them are hypocritical

1114
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,320
and that rubs me the wrong way. So I choose

1115
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,760
not to go down the pathways that they do because

1116
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,320
a lot of the things that they say or do

1117
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,639
and how they act is not exactly how they can

1118
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:56,119
be because they're very judgmental. Some of them are, not

1119
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:57,480
every one of them, but a lot of them are

1120
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,480
very judgmental. I was like, well, if you believe in

1121
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,480
your Bible, you're not supposed to be judging anybody.

1122
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,199
Speaker 1: And what's interesting about your complaint there, which I have

1123
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,800
as well, is that if you look closely, it's not

1124
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,960
a complaint against your religion. It's actually a complaint as

1125
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,400
to how the religion is being practice, which is interesting

1126
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,559
as well. It's like, because I mean, if you literally,

1127
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,360
like I look at the Christian fundamentals, they're pretty good.

1128
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,400
You know, they're really good. You know, like be nice

1129
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,679
to people, help the poor, help the sick, don't concentrate

1130
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,920
on the wealth. You know. Just these are great things

1131
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,360
to do, you know what I mean. But it's just

1132
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,800
a practice the way they're being handled, you know. Like

1133
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,960
there's even like practical advice. Like I used to work

1134
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,880
for this place that was really religious, and so we

1135
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,360
would read the Bible every morning before work, and I

1136
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,360
just read this one passage in the Bible and it

1137
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,199
was like saying, basically it was saying, like long story,

1138
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,280
Shorty was saying, it's good to work with your hands

1139
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,320
it's healthy to work with your hands. You should do it,

1140
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:56,440
you need to do it. And then I started thinking

1141
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,639
about it as a scientist, and I was like, that

1142
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,559
probably has some scientist to fake evidence or a scientific basis,

1143
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,960
because if you look at the human hand, it's one

1144
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,920
of the most complex things in the world. Look what

1145
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,159
we've been able to accomplish with our hands. You know,

1146
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,400
we literally built the world. We're literally the masters of matter,

1147
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,960
you know, the physical things that make the world. We're

1148
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,079
masters of it because of our hands. So it kind

1149
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,440
of makes sense to me psychologically that we have these

1150
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,920
incredibly complicated tools that have the potential to create marvelous things.

1151
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:29,920
It makes sense to me that if you need to

1152
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,159
use them, you know, like physically grab a pot, plant

1153
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,360
a plant, you know, make something like a tortilla with

1154
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,920
your hands, build something, you know, make using them in

1155
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,159
a complicated way, it probably does help us psychologically. I'm

1156
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:45,760
just saying. The Bible probably has a lot of true

1157
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,440
things in there, It's just that the way it's be

1158
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,360
in practice by a lot of people is not great.

1159
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,039
Speaker 2: I think people cherry pick a lot of it too.

1160
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,360
They find things that they agree with, and there's other

1161
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,159
things in there that they can continue to leave out

1162
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,239
of their daily lives too, And they only quote certain

1163
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,880
verses or scripture, and they use certain ones to hold

1164
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,679
things against other people. So there's just, like I said,

1165
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,400
there's so much hypocrisy when it comes to religion, not

1166
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,480
just Christianity, but religions across the board. So I just say,

1167
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,679
I have my beliefs and everyone else can have their

1168
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,039
beliefs as long as it makes them happy. I'm one

1169
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,480
hundred percent cool that just don't force it upon me

1170
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:29,920
because I don't really want to be bothered.

1171
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Right, And look, I've thought about this, this religion problem,

1172
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,079
you know, apparently you know, my mom was asking me,

1173
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:38,280
and I did a little bit of research a few

1174
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,119
years ago. It looks like church attendance is going down

1175
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,280
in America. You know, less people are going to church.

1176
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,719
And that made my mom's sad because he's, you know,

1177
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,440
a Christian more so than I am. And you know,

1178
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:51,920
I just thought, I was like, look, maybe one of

1179
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,719
the reasons why we're having these problems with Christianity because

1180
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,320
you know, so the h the hypocrisy, people not going

1181
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,920
to church. Why are we having these problems? I was

1182
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,199
maybe because it hasn't evolved, like the way we practice

1183
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,360
hasn't evolved. I'm not saying like, of course, the Bible

1184
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,800
says the same, but I'm saying human society has changed

1185
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,199
so drastically within the last five years, these dreams so drastically,

1186
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,360
and I just feel like not just religion, but religion

1187
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,159
and also schools. I work in the school system right now,

1188
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,360
and schools are heavily outdated. So I think that a

1189
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360
lot of these institutions that are fundamentally a good, like

1190
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,519
practicing a religion or going to a public school, they

1191
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,079
need a change. They need drastic changes to keep up

1192
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:36,880
with the way people are now, and if they don't,

1193
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,320
they're probably going to go extinct.

1194
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the stuff when it comes

1195
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,880
to why people aren't going is because the newer generations

1196
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,559
are just not interested, like they don't have the mindset

1197
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,760
or the patients to sit down and listen to someone

1198
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,159
in or because the generations of younger kids, and I

1199
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,920
can attest this by having my own, they are very

1200
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:04,199
very content. They have to see it for like very

1201
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,880
small seconds. That's why things like TikTok and everything else

1202
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,599
are so popular all of a sudden, because it gives

1203
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:11,559
you that like few seconds of new stuff, new stuff,

1204
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,159
like their brains are programmed to in take so much

1205
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,519
stuff at a faster pace. And if you sit still

1206
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:19,519
in a church and listen to someone talk, they're bored

1207
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:20,360
and that they don't care.

1208
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,719
Speaker 1: No, yeah, absolutely, I think.

1209
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:27,639
Speaker 2: And that's even with our schooling today. I don't know

1210
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,599
from like the stuff you guys are doing, but I

1211
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:31,559
know I have element kids in elementary and I have

1212
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:36,559
kids in high school. They all do stuff on tablets now.

1213
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,400
Back when I was in school, we didn't do stuff

1214
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,119
like that. Of course we didn't have tablets back in

1215
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:44,480
those days. But everything is now digitized to where they

1216
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,400
do their work on a tablet. They do their work

1217
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,119
at home on a tablet. Everything is now like a

1218
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:50,960
screen in front of them. So their whole existence from

1219
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:57,079
kindergarten and beyond is looking at a screen and interacting

1220
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:58,960
with a screen. It's like they're being programmed now to

1221
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:00,719
this is what society is. We have to look at

1222
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:01,559
everything going to screen.

1223
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, so yeah. I'm doing some teaching on

1224
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,880
the side here, and it's third graders all the way

1225
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,320
to seniors currently, and that's exactly what it's like here.

1226
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,400
A lot of screens. You're missing the TecTile that we

1227
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,440
used to have. You know, we used to have paper

1228
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:20,039
and like workbooks, and they still have that, but like

1229
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:21,519
you said, they have the screen a lot more and

1230
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,840
it's really negatively effective. And what I do is in

1231
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,679
school is at well least the district where I'm at,

1232
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:29,039
it's probably true in other districts, is like, Okay, you're

1233
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:32,360
in school for eight hours. I'm like, if I'm being generous,

1234
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,800
two of those hours are spent learning. It's a huge

1235
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,920
waste of time for learning. At least it's more like

1236
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,440
a babysitting place to get a meal in them, and

1237
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,800
that's not that's not cool. I mentioned that because I

1238
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,039
have two little nieces and my sister wants me to

1239
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,760
do some homeschooling, and I was like, yeah, I think

1240
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,920
it's doable, because, like I said, if they're going to

1241
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,039
public school, then in a week, they're probably gonna get

1242
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,199
ten hours of actual education in one week. And I

1243
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:03,760
was like, I could just come over like twice a

1244
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,360
week and do like six hour sessions and they'd be

1245
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,599
getting more education and they would be at a public school.

1246
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,159
Speaker 2: I was homeschooled up until eighth grade and I've never

1247
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:15,880
felt like I really learned anything after I went to

1248
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,960
public school. I don't know if that's a good thing

1249
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:24,880
or a bad thing, but I uh, I ranked really

1250
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,039
high in all my exams and everything because we had

1251
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:29,760
like an I step test when I was in school.

1252
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,360
They call it something else now, but like I was

1253
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,800
in like one of the top percentiles for everything, and

1254
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,480
then we did our other stuff, like even the as

1255
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,559
VAB tests we had to take, which was like the

1256
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:42,920
arm battery test I had to take showing my age

1257
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,559
here caause I don't even think they do that anymore.

1258
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,480
But I wasn't like the top two percent of the

1259
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:52,199
nation for like nuclear physics, and I was like, well,

1260
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:54,920
I don't know anything about nuclear physics. But I kept

1261
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,960
getting letters from the Navy wanted me to come work

1262
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,000
on a nuclear submarine with them, and like I was like,

1263
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,239
I don't want anything to do with it, any of

1264
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:00,760
that stuff.

1265
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: Wait, so how long we homeschool? It was there switched

1266
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:08,800
then into public school.

1267
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:12,119
Speaker 2: I switched and I was homeschooled until eighth grade. I

1268
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:14,119
went to public school in eighth grade. So for the

1269
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,719
first seven years I was taught myself.

1270
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,079
Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, and you had a good experience.

1271
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,519
Speaker 2: And then, like I said, I went to public school

1272
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:27,519
and I didn't really learn anything new. Like I may

1273
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:29,719
have learned like some history stuff here that I didn't know,

1274
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,039
but like far as like anything far as writing or algebra,

1275
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,519
I couldn't really figure out algebra. It just when it

1276
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:40,159
comes to letters and numbers, it's not me. But I'm

1277
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:43,400
great at basic math and geometry. I do that every

1278
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,159
day for work. Awesome, But no, I just I just

1279
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:48,599
don't know.

1280
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a little tangent

1281
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,360
because I want to tell a paranormal story. I don't

1282
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,239
think I've ever told it before. I feel like this

1283
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,400
would be a good place to say it. Short, and

1284
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,599
I want to say because you mentioned the nuclear sub thing, right,

1285
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:04,760
and that's what reminded me of this paranormal story. Okay,

1286
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:07,599
all right, so there's a little tangent about a little

1287
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,159
paranorable story to share that has to do with nuclear

1288
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:14,119
subs because you mentioned nuclear saubs. Okay. So I was

1289
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:19,199
helping my dad do some work at a hotel in Texas, Okay,

1290
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:23,320
And his job is basically putting new like internet wires

1291
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,599
in all the rooms. So we had to go all

1292
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:26,639
the rooms and replace the wires. You know. I was

1293
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,480
helping him during the pandemic. And it was in this city,

1294
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:34,159
was in near a big military base, right, So we

1295
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840
get to this one room. It's interesting. Actually we were

1296
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,280
like banging on the door and the guy didn't answer,

1297
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,920
but we really had to get in there. Started banging

1298
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,360
out on the heart and the guy finally answered. He

1299
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,480
was asleep or something, and he was a little flustered,

1300
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,000
but like he calmed him down and I ended up

1301
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,480
talking to him about the paranormal So it was pretty

1302
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,360
obvious that he worked at the base. I was like, oh,

1303
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,280
you work at the military base. So I was like, hey,

1304
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,000
have you ever had a paranormal experience? I do this

1305
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,599
all the time to everybody i'd be and he goes, yeah,

1306
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:01,679
I actually, well yeah, I had had apparent all these periods.

1307
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,480
And he told me. He said, basically a long story short,

1308
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:07,239
he worked on a military sub and he was in

1309
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,119
the sub and there was a time when they were

1310
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,199
chasing large, super fast objects underwater, which we've heard at before,

1311
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,800
you know, mm hmm. So he was like, yeah, the

1312
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,559
whole sub was chasing then. We didn't know what they were,

1313
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:21,920
but they were huge and they were moving in crazy

1314
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,559
speeds and so they sound like USO. So he you know,

1315
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,360
he said it was eerie and people didn't really want

1316
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,679
to talk about it. They did it. And then another

1317
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,440
little interesting detail, he told me another synchronicity was just

1318
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,400
a weird connection. He randomly then told me that his

1319
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,599
mother told him, and it sounded like he didn't really

1320
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,920
know what to make with this information, but his mother

1321
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:48,159
told him that she regularly interacted with gray aliens and

1322
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,039
that kind of strange.

1323
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: Regularly interacted with gray aliens.

1324
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so his mother would tell them like, yeah, great

1325
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:55,760
aliens come to visit me, and I like talked to

1326
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,920
them and I spent time with him, you know. And

1327
01:04:58,039 --> 01:04:59,760
it sounded like he heard that and he was just like,

1328
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
I don't even know what to think about that, right,

1329
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:03,199
I don't know. I don't know if he had a

1330
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,239
close connection with his mom. He never followed up on it,

1331
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,800
but he told me that it was like, it's odd

1332
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,519
that you had this USO experience and your mother's I mean,

1333
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:14,599
I believe his mom, you know, I have no evidence,

1334
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,920
but I like to believe that his mom actually did

1335
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,320
talk to greatly. Would it be the craziest thing I've.

1336
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:21,719
Speaker 2: Ever heard there was a story, and I'm trying to

1337
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,440
remember where this It was probably another podcast, and I

1338
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,199
honestly don't remember if it was a real podcast or

1339
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,000
if it was like someone telling a story that they

1340
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,400
were happening like. But it was about a submarine and

1341
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:40,920
they were chasing these marks on the radar and whatever

1342
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,079
this thing was, they thought it was like the cliff

1343
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:48,119
side of like the ocean floor, like part of the

1344
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:50,920
but it was moving. It was almost like the size

1345
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,360
of the ocean floor. They thought it was like a

1346
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,840
rocky cliff. But whatever this thing was picking off the

1347
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,840
radar was moving, and I don't know if there was

1348
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,119
anything else about it, but whatever they were chasing obviously

1349
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,280
was huge. So I don't know if they ever had

1350
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,159
a visual of it. I don't remember them ever saying

1351
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:11,039
there was a confirmation of what it was. I just

1352
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:13,400
remember that there's something on their radar and they don't

1353
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,840
know if the radar itself was malfunctioning, but whatever was

1354
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,039
pinging on there was a huge blip on the radar

1355
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:22,880
and they were trying to chase it down, but whatever

1356
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,400
it was was moving. I was like, well, that's interesting,

1357
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,440
that's pretty big. If that's actually something in the water.

1358
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:32,639
Speaker 1: Experience.

1359
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: If they think it's a cliff or a mountain under

1360
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:34,920
the water.

1361
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,599
Speaker 1: Sounds very similar to my story. You didn't mention it.

1362
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:42,360
It was that big. I think you don't know, but

1363
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,480
it was big. That's interesting. It was either the same

1364
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,960
nuclear ship, which it's unlikely, or this has happened more

1365
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:49,360
than once.

1366
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,079
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's probably happened more than once.

1367
01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:54,159
Speaker 1: Might be pretty common. That's interesting.

1368
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,679
Speaker 2: The USO phenomena has become pretty popular here in the

1369
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,840
last five to ten years. I've heard a lot more

1370
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,280
people talk about them about encounters of things under the water,

1371
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,360
and there's a lot of people that believe a lot

1372
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,360
of the UFOs and the sky are actually coming from

1373
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:08,719
the water.

1374
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,239
Speaker 1: I want to share this fact. I like to share

1375
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,840
this fact just to get us thinking about the planets

1376
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,960
and usos and UFOs. Okay, here's the truth. Okay about

1377
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,159
planet Earth. Okay, as humans, we only live in the

1378
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,400
tiniest percentage of the planet. Okay, we're very as a species.

1379
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,800
Humans are super selective of where they live. We only

1380
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,599
live on the surface of the crust. What does that

1381
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,440
leave Well, obviously the ocean, right the ocean is like

1382
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,679
eighty percent, ninety percent of the whole planet. No humans

1383
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,440
live there, you know. I mean, sure, there's a couple

1384
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:49,599
of bases out there, but it's it's incredibly large amount

1385
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:53,239
of environment for something to live. Humans do not live there,

1386
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:57,320
so something paranormal live there. What else? The sky? Okay,

1387
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,719
the sky. I think there's this line called the Carmen Line.

1388
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:03,440
I think it's about sixty miles from the ground up,

1389
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,719
and after that line it becomes space. So that's you know,

1390
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:11,440
that's the sky quote unquote, So it's sixty miles all

1391
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,760
over the planet. People don't live there as well, you know.

1392
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,359
And that the sky is interesting to me because it's

1393
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,760
got everything you need for life. It's got energy, The

1394
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,760
sun is beaming down even hotter on it. It's got water.

1395
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:23,800
You know, what are these clouds made of? You know,

1396
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,680
it's got all these It's got space. You know. To me,

1397
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,199
the elements of life is you need water, you need energy,

1398
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,600
you need space. Space not so much, right, because some

1399
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,760
things are microscopic. But so I do think there's probably

1400
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,600
a lot of organisms that live up there that are

1401
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,560
we confused for UFOs. Okay, but I'm not done yet. Okay,

1402
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:44,000
we also have I said, humans already live on the

1403
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:47,560
surface of the crust. We have the whole crust underground.

1404
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,239
You know, it goes also very deep, so humans don't

1405
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,239
live there as well. So if I just want people

1406
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:57,439
to think about this, like humans live on just a tiny,

1407
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,520
tiny percentage of the planet we call Earth. There's so

1408
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,439
much space and of the strifface of the crust, there's

1409
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,560
so many forests that people don't live in, so we

1410
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,760
don't really take up a lot of space on this planet.

1411
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,800
So of course there could be paranormalities hiding out there

1412
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:14,079
of all shapes and sizes.

1413
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: If you look at the main population of the United States,

1414
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,600
it's usually in these big metropolitan cities. So there's a

1415
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,359
huge chunk of millions of people just in the United

1416
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,079
States that live in a small little region of a city,

1417
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:32,960
and then scattered across the country there's a little clusters

1418
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,760
here and there, but there's nothing like you get like

1419
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,319
in these big major cities, which is where most of

1420
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,560
the states get their populations from. So if you look

1421
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,319
at like New York City, what is it like fifteen

1422
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,840
million people? Or right in just one city, LA is

1423
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,640
like twenty million or something. Like, again, it's we look

1424
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,880
at it as there's a lot of people in a

1425
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,079
small isolated area where you have thousands of miles of

1426
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:57,319
land across the United States where there's just no one living,

1427
01:09:59,359 --> 01:09:59,840
very sparing.

1428
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely. I don't know. These kinds of conversations

1429
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:07,239
kind of get left out when people talk about the paranormal,

1430
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,279
especially with skeptics. You don't really hear these type of facts.

1431
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:14,039
But to me, they're very damning facts to indicate that

1432
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:15,279
it could be paranormal. Wanity.

1433
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: You mentioned the sky. There have been recent sightings and

1434
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,239
I've heard other people talk about this, and I'm not

1435
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:25,279
one hundred percent familiar with it, but they've talked about

1436
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:27,600
things in the sky like organisms that live up there,

1437
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,600
and they've described them as like almost like jellyfish and

1438
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,319
manta ray like type creatures, but obviously they're not manta rays,

1439
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:39,800
but they're shaped that way. I've been seeing reports on Facebook,

1440
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,079
which again I don't know. I don't believe everything I

1441
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,640
see on the Internet, and I tell people not to

1442
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,760
do that either, but people have been seeing these strange

1443
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,119
things and supposely there's these floating organisms that live up

1444
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:53,079
above the clouds. I was like, I wonder if there's

1445
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:56,119
some truth to that, because again, like you said, there's

1446
01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,439
everything that they need for life forms to be up there.

1447
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really fascinating topic and there's been other

1448
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,159
people that written books about it, and it's really fascinating.

1449
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,319
That's that's the type of paranormal research I would want

1450
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:11,880
to do. I thought a little bit about it. So

1451
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:15,159
here's a simple experiment I would do to begin to

1452
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,720
test this idea of sky jellyfish, dancer raised, or just

1453
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,439
large undiscovered organisms in our sky. But what I thought

1454
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,680
about is I find a region. So I look at

1455
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,680
some reports and I try to figure out a region

1456
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,319
where they're sighted a lot, maybe just one siding. But

1457
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:32,359
if I could find a hot spot somewhere in the

1458
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:34,520
world that I have access to, that's where I would

1459
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,840
do my experiment. Okay, then I would get a weather balloon.

1460
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:39,880
You could buy a weather balloon, you know, and you

1461
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,000
could hook up a little go poke Hama to it

1462
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:44,319
in a GPS unit. You can send that on up.

1463
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:45,840
You know a lot of people do this in the desert,

1464
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,399
so they you know, they shoot. It's really cool. It's

1465
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,560
like a hobby. You can't go on YouTube. They basically

1466
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,640
send a camera to space and you get a little

1467
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,000
video of space, and then you know, now that's pretty cool.

1468
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:57,560
You have the video of space. But you can do

1469
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,920
it scientifically as well. So I would find that region,

1470
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,239
send up the weather balloon with a GPS tracker with

1471
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,920
the camera. But I would have one more thing, okay,

1472
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:10,319
So I would have the agar plates. You know in

1473
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,199
science you see these little plates, little round plates, and

1474
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:15,119
people put like a dirty hand or something to try

1475
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,359
to grow bacteria on it. You've seen these before. It's

1476
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:20,760
basically a neutree rea. So I would have a bunch

1477
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,600
of them, and I would send them up as well,

1478
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,199
and it would be sealed so nothing can make contact

1479
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,600
with them. When I got it to different heights you

1480
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,560
know where I think they jellyfish I live. I would

1481
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:34,039
have a mechanism that exposes them to the environment, so

1482
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:36,920
basically whatever's in the air would stick to it. Then

1483
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,159
it would close it up again and I would get

1484
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:40,920
my samples right, so I would know I would have

1485
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,199
some data. I'd be like, okay, this little plate was

1486
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,880
at so and so feet, you know, at this location,

1487
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:48,520
this one in, this one higher and lower. Then I

1488
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,720
would just all you do is to put it in

1489
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,800
a little heater, a little special compartment to grow. And

1490
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,960
then that's what I would do. So I would be like,

1491
01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:59,079
what's growing up there? You know? Is there a huge

1492
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,439
rainforest bacteria to grow there? Because what I'm trying to

1493
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,600
show is that you have to have like a food

1494
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,640
web or a food chain to sustain animals. You know,

1495
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,880
so if there are large organisms up there, you have

1496
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,680
to have smaller organisms, smaller and smaller, like if you

1497
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,279
have whale, you know, you have to have like krill,

1498
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,319
you know. If you have to have krill, you have

1499
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:20,039
to have the food of the krill, like plants, you know,

1500
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:22,399
so just producers. You know, there's a whole chain. So

1501
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,760
basically I would just be testing. I think, what would

1502
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,760
happen my hypothesis. My guess is that I would be like,

1503
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,079
holy moly, I discovered a whole bunch of new species

1504
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:34,800
and bacteria and viruses and fungus up there. Oh my god,

1505
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,760
it's beaming with life up there. Why hasn't anybody done this?

1506
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,720
And then maybe there's some medicinal properties on some of

1507
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,840
these organisms, you know, who knows, but check it out.

1508
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,760
That would mean that there probably is an ecosystem up there.

1509
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,840
That would be the first evidence, and then I would

1510
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:51,720
scale it up from there.

1511
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,079
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that someone hasn't already tried to do stuff

1512
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:58,560
like that, or if they have, it's just not been reported.

1513
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody must have because I did a deep dive

1514
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:04,680
in it, and I think some research has been done

1515
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,600
on it, but it's not a major field of research

1516
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,840
right now, you know, sky sky science. But it's odd

1517
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,760
to me. Why isn't it, Like I said, like, okay,

1518
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:16,800
going back to this biology thing, It's so fascinating to

1519
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,680
me that like, life does not waste a centimeter of space.

1520
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,199
So if you go to like, you know, like the

1521
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:26,680
hot springs in Yellowstone, you know, if you slip in wine,

1522
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,840
you'll be boiled alive, which unfortunately has happened as the

1523
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,640
people rip. But if you go to these inhospitable areas,

1524
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:35,199
there's life there. There's like little water bearers, a little

1525
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,520
bacteria that have grown to live there. So what I'm

1526
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,720
trying to say is, like, you know, life does not

1527
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,800
like to like just be like nah, I'm not going

1528
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,800
to use that real estate. You know, if you go

1529
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,119
to a highway in the desert and get the black

1530
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:50,600
asphalts and you rub a little ce tip on it,

1531
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:53,279
throw it on that plate. There's probably something living there.

1532
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,760
The air that you're breathing in right now is full

1533
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,439
of life. Oh sorry, I know you don't like to

1534
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,199
think about it, but my bad call myself there. So

1535
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,760
I'm just saying that, why hasn't anybody thought about this? Like,

1536
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:09,199
like I said, it's sixty miles up, it's got water,

1537
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:11,800
it's got space, it's got sun. The only thing I

1538
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,239
can think about is that it's kind of hard to

1539
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:15,000
get up there. But it's not that hard, like I said,

1540
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:18,439
we have these balloons. But it is an odd it's

1541
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,520
an odd question. Why haven't we been looking up there?

1542
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,199
Maybe because you don't see it, you don't think about it.

1543
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,439
Out of side, out of mind. Maybe it's out of

1544
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:26,119
side out of mind.

1545
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: I guess it's because, like you said, but it being

1546
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,680
sixty miles up. Maybe they just they're worried about space,

1547
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:38,359
but they're not considering the space that is closer to Earth.

1548
01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:41,039
They're talking about like the Moon and out past the Moon,

1549
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:43,840
and they're worried about Mars when they don't even know

1550
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,000
a fraction of what really goes on here on our

1551
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:47,560
own planet.

1552
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like you're at home chilling and then you

1553
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,199
drive to day It used to get your Grand Slam.

1554
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,600
But while you're driving there, you're not looking around. You

1555
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,800
don't care about the road to get there. But it

1556
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,479
turns out it's amazing. It's full of pancakes and the

1557
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,880
waffles for free. I just made that off. But yeah,

1558
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,359
it's like we're just missing that whole sky to get

1559
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:09,920
to space. It's interesting.

1560
01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:14,520
Speaker 2: Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour,

1561
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:17,720
so we probably get ready to wrap this one up.

1562
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,199
But before we do, is there anything else you would

1563
01:16:20,279 --> 01:16:20,920
like to discuss?

1564
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, interesting question? What do I think about a lot? Okay, yeah,

1565
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,319
let's let's end on this topic. Okay, new topic. M

1566
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,439
I proposed this idea. Let's let's discuss this thought. What

1567
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:42,000
if disclosure is waking up a sleeping giant? What are

1568
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:47,960
the negative consequences of disclosure for aliens, interdimensionals, whatever these

1569
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:50,239
things are? Which I love By the way, if you're listening,

1570
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,359
you're great, I love you. But I'm saying, what if

1571
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:57,960
these things are acting a certain way because we don't

1572
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:00,479
all know they're here? You know, what if it's like

1573
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,880
we're maintaining the status quo. It's actually pretty good the

1574
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,119
way it is right now. Sure, some of us get abducted,

1575
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:06,920
but we're you know, we have freedom. I could go

1576
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,079
to Denny's right now if I want to. But what

1577
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:12,479
I'm saying is, what if what would happen if everybody

1578
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,479
in the world knew these things were real? What they

1579
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,359
changed their behavior? And could it be negative? What do

1580
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:17,680
you think?

1581
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: Yes and no, I don't know. It depends on how

1582
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,239
they've interacted with us this whole time. Because I've also

1583
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,520
thought about this kind of goes back to how they've

1584
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,600
been here the whole time. Think about the old stories

1585
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,439
in Europe and stuff where they used to have like

1586
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,920
the fairy tales, and I mean, like the fairy folks

1587
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,159
used to kidnap people. That's very much similar to alien

1588
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:47,479
abductions that we talk about in modern times. Well, what

1589
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,319
if they've always been doing that stuff and they've only

1590
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,079
taken the forms of things that people relate to as

1591
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:56,000
the current time frames. So back then they related it

1592
01:17:56,079 --> 01:18:01,039
to like fayfolk. Nowadays it relates them to aliens. Maybe

1593
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:06,000
they've always been here anyways, And if we are one

1594
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:09,079
hundred percent confirming that they've been here, and are here.

1595
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,920
Are they going to do more abducting or is it

1596
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,760
still the same thing? Like why are they taking people

1597
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,680
in the first place? So I don't know if it's

1598
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:20,680
really going to upset the status quo. But at the

1599
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,399
same time, people may actually start to understand a little

1600
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,680
bit more of it, so it may change their view

1601
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,680
of how that we see them. That makes any sort

1602
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,600
of sense, like if we know what they actually are,

1603
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,319
because maybe they're projecting themselves to be extraterrestrials to us.

1604
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:39,760
Back then they projected themselves to be like little fairies.

1605
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:42,960
So maybe they just adapt what they we think they are.

1606
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:44,880
We only see them as what they want us to

1607
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,680
see them as based off the timeframe of when we're

1608
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,880
actually encountering them. If that makes any sort of sense,

1609
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,000
I guess, like the way we've evolved to understand science

1610
01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:57,720
and understand life, they've been evolving along with us as

1611
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,159
to the representation of what they project themselves to be.

1612
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you for that. You gave me a lot

1613
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:07,560
two feet off of So I got three main points

1614
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,319
I want to make based on that. Number One, you

1615
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,279
really got me thinking back when fairy tales were you know, common,

1616
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:18,920
Like you said, in those parts of the world. Was

1617
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:23,239
there fairy was their fairy disclosure at that time? Is

1618
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:25,520
it the fact that there was disclosure, Like everybody just

1619
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,439
accepted it. I know there were books written about it,

1620
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,520
everybody talked about it. I don't think anybody was getting

1621
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,880
made fun of it. So my first thing I'm thinking

1622
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:34,159
is like, maybe there was a time when there was

1623
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:37,119
fairy disclosure, which let's say fairies are the same things aliens,

1624
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:39,880
So there was disclosure. I wonder I want to look

1625
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,920
into that, like was their fairy disclosure? And the second

1626
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,960
thing I want to bring up if there was fairy disclosure,

1627
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:51,199
then was it more common? Like I want to know

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statistically was more Maybe they were different, you know, because

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01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:58,000
there was fairy disclosure. You know, everybody knew there was

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01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:00,319
something out there. They thought of them as Maybe there

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01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:02,800
was a lot more abductions. I want to know how

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01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,800
common was it. It wasn't more common than it is now,

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,479
because that would inform what would happen in modern times.

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01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:09,880
So now you got to be thinking, like, maybe there

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01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:12,560
was a time the disclosure did happen, We just moved

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,880
away from it, but it perhaps was perhaps it's already

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,159
happened now. The other. The last thing I want to

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01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:23,279
think about is, Okay, what if this time we did disclosed.

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01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:25,520
Let's say there's been disclosure already in the fairy times.

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,159
Let's say we did do disclosure again in modern times.

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,880
But I think I'm answering you my own question as

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,960
I'm thinking about it. Okay, what I was gonna say?

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01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:36,199
What if what is this time we do it different?

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01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,319
Because we get we get a layer deeper. So nowadays

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01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:44,000
we're not gonna be traced by their little uh, you know,

1646
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:47,119
mirage or their glamor. So we're not gonna say, hey,

1647
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:50,720
aliens are real, they look like grays. No, we're gonna

1648
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,880
understand that is what they put sent them selves to be.

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01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:56,960
They've always presented themselves to be. What if we now

1650
01:20:57,159 --> 01:21:00,960
believe a higher truth? We don't know what they look like,

1651
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:03,880
we just know they're real. But to answer my question,

1652
01:21:04,039 --> 01:21:06,119
I thought about, what if that's just another form of deception?

1653
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,000
What if that's their masks? Their mask is that they

1654
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,279
pretend to be other things. You know, I'm getting kind

1655
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:15,960
of meta right now, but anyway, those are my thoughts.

1656
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: What do you think that's kind of I was getting

1657
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,800
at too, is like I think we still don't really

1658
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,000
know what they are. They're only projecting themselves as what

1659
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:27,399
we can accept them to be. So right now they're

1660
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,600
projecting themselves as extraterrestrials from space. And there are these

1661
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,039
little gray aliens or whatever other people have encountered. But

1662
01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:38,359
hundreds of years ago in Europe they were projected as

1663
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:41,840
these little humanoid looking at rs, like stories of elves,

1664
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:47,119
and obviously you had stories of leprechauns and like basically

1665
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:51,079
like the whole little people vibes. Well, now you also

1666
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:55,199
have little gray aliens. Again, they're still not very big.

1667
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,680
Obviously there's stories of taller ones, but for the most part,

1668
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:03,319
they're like little gray humanoids. Right, So again I just

1669
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:09,199
think maybe they're one and the same, definitely.

1670
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:13,359
Speaker 1: And also I thinking why why even disclosure? I still

1671
01:22:13,359 --> 01:22:16,760
think I'm thinking about now. I'm thinking like, okay, what

1672
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,000
if you know, we do disclosure whatever. But what we're

1673
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:22,720
really doing is we're like we're doing this. We're staying, hey,

1674
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:27,000
we live with other things on the planet that we

1675
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:30,239
don't understand, but this is a new thing. We say, okay,

1676
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,359
that's just disclosure. We add on this, which is is

1677
01:22:33,399 --> 01:22:34,880
not a new way of thinking it's an older way

1678
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,720
of thinking, and other cultures do it, but we add

1679
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,359
this on to our moderitors. We need to focus on

1680
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,840
co habiting with it and maybe working together with them,

1681
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:46,560
not as higgions, but maybe we leave them gifts and

1682
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:49,960
we just accept them. We share the planet. You know what,

1683
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:52,640
if that's really one of the better steps to take

1684
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:54,359
in disclosure.

1685
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 2: It's something to think about. But I don't know if

1686
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:02,039
a lot of people will feel the same way, because

1687
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,079
I think if they do know what some of this

1688
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,800
stuff is. I thought it was strange when they started

1689
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,680
bringing up interdimensional in the last couple of years, because

1690
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,960
that was more of a podcasty thing you'd hear people

1691
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:15,560
talk about, and then all of a sudden they started

1692
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,640
talking about it during the disclosure movements. They mentioned interdimensional,

1693
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,640
which was kind of a outlier for me. I think

1694
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,960
it was Luna who mentioned it the representative that is correct,

1695
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:29,119
and uh, I was like, well, that's an interesting verbiage

1696
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,880
to be using all of a sudden out of nowhere,

1697
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:35,000
And it just makes me wonder, like, what do they

1698
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:37,399
actually know and what do they think that we should

1699
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,239
be able to understand, because again, I think they use

1700
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,720
the whole religious aspect as a reason not to bring

1701
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,840
anything up, because when they started to bring up interdimensionals

1702
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,319
or extraterrestrials or anything like that, it goes against a

1703
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:52,960
lot of different people's religious beliefs, and they think that

1704
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,560
we're not evolved enough to accept that there's other powers

1705
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,119
out there, because I think a lot of the other

1706
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:00,079
things that they're afraid to admit to is we're not

1707
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:02,359
one hundred percent in control. We're not always the top

1708
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,800
dog of like we've made ourselves out to be.

1709
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say Preston Dennett's you know, I interviewed him.

1710
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,720
He's one hundred percent against any kind of government disclosure.

1711
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,199
He's like, hell no, they've always lied to us. Don't

1712
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:18,640
believe anything they say. Why would they say the truth?

1713
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,000
And I will say I like the saying. The saying

1714
01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:24,000
says it's good for it's good for disclosure, but it's

1715
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:27,960
good for everyday life. Basically, people tell you what they

1716
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:31,680
want you to hear, not what you need to hear.

1717
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:36,359
And uh, yeah, the last thing, let's see the last

1718
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:40,640
thing I was gonna say, you're talking about disclosure. I

1719
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,159
don't remember what was the last thing he said? I

1720
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:45,239
just lost my train to Todds.

1721
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: Luna brought up the inter dimensional yeah.

1722
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: And I said that it's not good. I don't know anyway. Yeah,

1723
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,600
I don't know if should trust them. U.

1724
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,399
Speaker 2: I've always this wouldn't be ten foil tails if you

1725
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:08,479
trusted the government. Yeah, that's what I've always said is

1726
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,560
I don't believe mainstream media, and I don't believe what

1727
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,279
the government tells me, because if I've learned anything by

1728
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:16,760
doing any sort of research over the years, as ninety

1729
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,640
nine percent of the stuff that gets put out there

1730
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,359
is probably not going to be factually true. They're going

1731
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:22,880
to have a little bit of truth too, but for

1732
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,239
the most part, they're not going to come out and

1733
01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:26,960
tell you exactly anything that they don't want you to know.

1734
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: I like to say this. I say this for my

1735
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,399
own peace of mind, especially with the way things go

1736
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,279
with and normal influencers in the government. I'm not saying

1737
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:41,760
I'm that big, but yeah, let me just make a statement.

1738
01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:46,840
I love my country. I love America, and I love

1739
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,239
every branch of the government. Now, if you're in a

1740
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:52,239
branch of the government and you hate another branch of

1741
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:56,199
the government, I also hate that branch. But yeah, I

1742
01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:56,880
love my country.

1743
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,079
Speaker 2: So I don't hate any country. I don't hate anybody

1744
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:04,399
or anything like that. I'm just saying I just don't trust.

1745
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 1: Them, right, of course, it's good to put that out there.

1746
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well we can probably wrap this one up,

1747
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,399
but before we do, I would like for you to

1748
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,239
let everyone know where they can find your channel at

1749
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:19,119
and everything else.

1750
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, absolutely so. Yeah. I put out a

1751
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,119
lot of shorts and there's a lot of older videos

1752
01:26:25,159 --> 01:26:28,159
that discuss everything I talked about. So if I think

1753
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,600
you could just go to Google or you go to YouTube,

1754
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,640
or you go to Facebook, just type in biologists to

1755
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,279
wild Trees three words and you'll see my channel. You'll

1756
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:41,079
see my Facebook page. And yeah, just subscribe. That'd be great.

1757
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:45,840
Subscribe comment on any video. I respond to all the comments.

1758
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,560
So any kind of comment question you have, go ahead

1759
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,520
and I will respond to you eventually.

1760
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,520
Speaker 2: Just wait until you start getting people telling you you're

1761
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:55,359
wrong all the time.

1762
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,319
Speaker 1: No, that's good, dude. They that's good engagement. They're some

1763
01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:01,640
of the most engage each viewers. I always say, hey,

1764
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,359
thank you for your feedback, thank you for your you

1765
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,640
know you're boosting this in the algorithm. Thank you for that.

1766
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,560
And I'm just kill them with kindness. But yeah, I

1767
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:11,159
know what you mean.

1768
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a pleasure talking. Whether we'll have to

1769
01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:15,000
do it again.

1770
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: Soon, I sure appreciate it, man.

1771
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, equally, you have a good night you too. If

1772
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,720
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