Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your
weekly rock and heavy metal, hardcore hard music podcast, and
this is another edition of Hyperblast where we come at
you every Friday when we're not doing a review show
like we were last week, and we let you know
what's been going on in the news. It turns out
this week in the news not a whole lot, but
we do have some other things of real substance that
we said we were going to talk about, So we're
going to get underway with that with me today for
hyper Blast. My name is Parenthish. Across from me is
Sam Dignon.
Speaker 2: Hello, Sam, Hello, how are we all doing?
Speaker 1: You good? Doing very very well? We are here primarily
I guess because we said last week when we had
a as said, a big review show last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a meet you one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first one we've done so far this
year with like the full like eight album reviews in there,
and also part and parcel with that was some you know,
quite interesting discussions that we kind of felt like we
had to have, I suppose about where some of our
various bands are at. I hope everybody who listened to
that show either was like nodding their head in agreement
and pounding their fisc going yes, yes, here here and
had a lovely time doing that. Or if you did
not agree with some of the things that we said,
you can at least appreciate kind of where we are
coming from. And like we said, we're kind of it's
not aiming to put the cat amongst the pigeons so
much as it is just kind of putting the cat
outside and closing the door and leaving it where it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's if this stuff isn't for us anymore, then
what's the point in us kind of going like we're
going to cover it just to be like uber negative
and kind of gained nothing from it at this point,
like we can just sort of say yeah.
Speaker 1: As always with stuff like that, during the week of release,
when we kind of put it out, you have to
kind of deal with the people who, you know, take
some umbrage with what has been said and try and
I guess, you know, if we did not completely explain ourselves,
try and clarify things further. But then after that week
I kind of feel better about it because everything's said
and done and kind of handle. So that was that. Again,
whichever side you fell, and we hope you enjoyed and
took something from last week and also the fucking sick
as hell records that we spoke about. I am still
the I mean, there was a revelation with you well, one.
Speaker 2: Of the revelations of the year potentially on.
Speaker 1: This yeah, but particularly the Imperial Triumphant and the Wake
albums that we reviewed last I'm still, like you know,
obviously we're saying like a week on Frost reviewing them,
but I'm still I'm still in that headspace. I'm loving those.
Speaker 3: I've not got back to the previous Imperial Triumphan albums yet,
an update when I do eventually muster up the courage
to revisit brilliant.
Speaker 1: But because we had all of that on the brain
and all that to talk about last week, we did
not have the time to talk about what is going
to be one of the tours of the year that
we have to talk about here, and this is the
perfect opportunity to do so. We are, of course referring
to not Looses UK to or in support of the
you Won't Go Before You're Supposed To album, which came
through the UK just a bit over a week ago,
and it was them playing certainly the biggest venues they've
ever played here, but in general when you look at
hardcore bands getting into those kind of spaces, it's one
of those tours that I think it has a degree
of significance around it, not just in terms of like, oh,
the highlights of the year or whatever, but when we
think about this ongoing thing that we've been discussing for
years of like you know, heavy bands of a certain
stripe kind of going above and beyond and achieving things
we didn't really think possible. The recognition of this tour
for not Lose here in the UK as a moment
of like them not only bringing this package with them
and everything, which we're going to talk about, but the
capitalizing on the momentum of that album to get into
places like Brixton Academy in London at the you know,
Victoria Warehouse in Manchester, which those are the two dates
that you and I respectively were were at. But that's big,
isn't it? And it feels like this is it's gonna
be something that people will remember for that.
Speaker 3: A Beatdown band headlining Bricks and Academy shouldn't happen, like,
like I know, obviously, notice have kind of gone beyond that.
But at their core they are a beatdown.
Speaker 1: A pig squeal band, you could say, of a different
like they.
Speaker 3: Are that and it's crazy how like again, not even
a year ago though, you know, they were selling out
the Forum and that felt huge for them, and now
it's so, you know, double the size venues a year later,
and it just feels like like this feels like the
real kind of like holy shit, this is legitimately happening,
Like hardcore bands playing big venues doesn't happen like Turnstile,
Like obviously they actually never got around playing Brixton because
that show got canceled and they haven't kind of had
their return for that yet.
Speaker 2: But like it is Turnstile not looset out. They are
in like an.
Speaker 3: Elite category of like the biggest hardcore bands around and
it's a small club, but it's I'm glad as a
fans one who loves hardcore music and like I've been
going to a bunch of small hardcasters reason I've been
really like reimmersed myself in that sort of scene, but
kind of witnessing bands kind of reached the port of
not just been big for a hardcore band. You know,
they're not playing electric ballroom, which you kind of go,
oh that that's.
Speaker 2: Big for a hardcore band to play that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are like legitimately genuinely big rooms, not loose
to playing it, and they're playing it whilst selling out Brixton,
So not even just playing Brixton, selling out on maybe
their heaviest, most challenging album. It feels like an anomalae
that shouldn't be happening. And I was going to go
to this because I was like, ahm, an outbreak. But
as the show it's closed, I was getting that fomo
really hitting and I was like, you know what, I've
got to see this. I've got to see like what
happens when rock up at bricks and Academy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you won't go for you're supposed to.
It was the the TNM listener voted album of last year.
I feel like it has been canonized by the general
public as like one of the classic albums of this
current decade we're in of this moment in heavy music,
so as a moment looking at you know, what did
they do when they toured it, who did they bring
with them, where did they play or whatever that there is.
I'm interested in the history of that basically, and so
as we look at what that kind of did. But
for one thing, and we said this when the tour
was announced, you're quite right to point out that, as
we said, a bunch of times not Louse seemed to
be kind of being propelled forward the more continuingly kind
of ridiculously heavy they get. But along with that, the
bill that they brought out with them, I think is
very commendable because there is no sense of not lose
having changed the bands they would be taking out with
them because of how big they've gotten. Right like this tour,
maybe the main support would be slightly smaller or whatever,
but like essentially the kind of.
Speaker 3: Death Heaven last time, they're still taking you know, recognized
main support.
Speaker 1: But that this bill. You could imagine them doing this
bill if they were still in the forum or even
I don't know, the ballroom or whatever. You could say.
It's not a we're getting into bricks and academy by
you know, trading out our kind of home support, our
home scene bands.
Speaker 2: They're not bringing wage War along, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for different words, Yeah, you know, there's none of
that to it. It's a hard core bill, It's all right,
and the one non hardcore band basement, are you know,
still like.
Speaker 3: So ingrained in the dna of hard in this country
like they are, they're outbreak headliners, they are ingrained in
the dna of pard in this country.
Speaker 2: They belong there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, not that we ever say this,
and not that I think many of our listener particularly,
but if there's any kind of snobbiness out there around
not loose and whether they're still a real hardcore band
or whatever.
Speaker 3: They are labeled as, you know, the tourist hardcore band,
the co worker hardcore band, like all that, and I'm like, sure,
they're the co worker hardcore band who are taking influence
from death metal and horror soundtracks.
Speaker 1: Go yeah. But the fact that they have brought along
a full on hardcore bill with them into these spaces
I think shows a great deal of their character in
terms of their attitude towards it, and I think not
these are a very important band right now in terms
of like that. They're a very important stepping stone right now.
And I don't mean that to persmrch them because they're
a brilliant one. But what I mean is I like,
at the show, I saw like at least two people
with Sleep token tattoos, and they feel like one of
the very few bands right now who are actually forging
that link that I often feel isn't there between kind
of the very popular zeitgeist of metalcore and actually you know, heavier,
more extreme underground whatever music. Those worlds seem more separated
than ever, and jumping that gap feels very difficult, but
not Loose are one of the only things there that
is kind of forwarding that link in terms of the popularity,
and like you know, they're about the only thing that
can get bad Omens fans in front of pest control
and Harm's way right, Like that isn't happening anywhere else.
And that was the feeling I got with the all
like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think like this is it is like they're.
Speaker 3: They're sort of like the links someone between, like the
convergent sort of sleep tope, like obvious end of the spectrum,
not loose, I like the ideal middle ground.
Speaker 2: And again, like you're.
Speaker 3: Saying about how they are still so like thoroughly in
a hardcore like you know that that Underworld show they
played like a couple of Nights. Before they were bringing
like bands like Life of One and like actually upcoming
UK hardcore bands are they wanted to put on that
they went into platform out they're kind of like cool
underwall show they're playing, and again that's just something that's
the band they are. Now that they're they like Brian
and like and all that they are so ingrained in hardcore,
they want to platform newer bands as well, and I
think that that that's why, like for all the sort
of SNeW of them game big, a lot of people
are kind of like, you know what Brian is fucking
like two stepping and frying down and spinkicking across that stage.
They're bringing these bands out in sport. They haven't lost
touch of where they've come from. They know their roots
and they understand like I remember, like when they were
before the Grammys, Brian did a post about like how
you like he would not trade this for like sleeping
on the floors, and when they were coming up as
a band, they understand they're kind of like the sense
of hardcore in the community and the ginn and they've
been on and they're keeping that true to them now
playing the bigges shows.
Speaker 2: Ever, and I think that fucking rocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when we look at the bill Pest Control opened,
Who Pest Control, even though they've got like like an
album and an EP or something like that, and it's
all pretty uh, you know, like they have a very
clear particular niche that they operate in right now. There's
not a lot of expansion outside that going on. They're
a crossover thrash band. They sound like Iron Reagan and
that's basically what they sound like. But they have clearly,
you know, they've kind of cottoned on to terms of
like they are somewhat red now being platformed on these
kind of you know places and the biggest stages. They've
become the representative. And that was the feeling I got
when I did manage to get into Sea pay Control.
I know there were some people, particularly at the day
I was at in Manchester where just because of the
early doors and security and stuff, didn't quite manage to
get into Sea Pest Control, which is a shame I did.
And you know, seeing obviously at this point it was
like half of the venue that was full, but seeing
just a big old you know, circle pit and stuff
for this band Pest Control, who were like you know
not in the scheme of things big in this huge
space was like yeah, cool good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like really cool Sea pest
Control sort of players says that, and you're like people
who got on early for them and bring some with
the hardcore faithful. So the pit was like fist swinging,
two step in like there was a circle pit. The
crowd who like went into it seemed to just kind
of like get swept up in the energy. And I
was like, it's amazing how people who like you would
not give Cross Over Thrash another look. I just in
the moment getting swept up in the kind of infection
energy pest with to have. I mean they've got like
a good sort of like don't test the pest and
stuff like that, like where they're like for like actually
kind of like quite catchy sort of like fist pumping
like crossover frash stuff.
Speaker 2: And it was a really good showing for them in Brixton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harm's Way were fucking brilliant.
Speaker 3: They were amazing. Like I was just like I love
this band, like I forget something that I do. Fucking
love harms Way because like they were fantastic outbreak last
year and then just seeing them come out at Brixton
and just be like, Yeah, we're gonna be the heaviest
thing a lot of you have ever seen fucking bring
it like, and they just pulverized that venue.
Speaker 2: They sounded like unbelievably heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is the biggest man alive, Hue, Like when
you read something, you're just like, yeah, man, there.
Speaker 1: Was a great moment where I don't know for you,
but for the first like two or three songs he
was wearing the shirt and then pulled the shirt off
and the whole crowd cheered.
Speaker 2: Like that's what I did.
Speaker 3: Like I say about harms of being just like fucking stating,
they knew the show they were playing, and they knew
to play up certain things like again when it comes
to like the end of the set, and they knew that.
They're like they're playing through the hardcore faithful, so they
can like do things that the more casual audients will
actually know them for.
Speaker 2: And I think that was like a really savvy move
by them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were still like I think they played
about six songs or something, Yeah, and like two or
you know, at least one or two of those were
those kind of like quasi industrial noisy, like where he's.
Speaker 3: Like got the vocal distortion yeah, and all that, and
that was like disgusting, and really I.
Speaker 1: Think it's I think it's a song called Terrorizer on
their new rechord, which is one of the full on
just like Godflesh noise songs. And again when we just
what we were saying about the crowd he might come
out to see not lose putting that on and again
just really fucking like intense like red lighting and stuff,
like they looked scary. Something I want to point out
about Hans Way as well, as you know, everyone talks
about James and he's you know, he's he's I think
he's become kind of known for the the meme and
stuff of the running and he's certainly so physically you know,
huge posing. But I also like Bo the guitarist.
Speaker 2: He's a did like like awesome guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like he has real presence as well on stage.
I think like he's you know, he's no, he's no
slouch himself when it comes to wearing.
Speaker 3: All the band kind of like catch with because they
all just like they just play with such intensity and
they just like yeah, but they're all like such just
like powerful youth.
Speaker 1: I think it's particularly it's the kind of duality of
of of James in the middle and then Bow on,
you know, the side that he's on who he's just
like fist in the air while playing those riffs, headbanging,
running around like two stepping when he's not on a part,
when he's not playing a riff, there is this kind
of like you know, there's two real stage kind of
dynamos to look at with harms Way. And as I said,
it was so heavy. This my first time catching Harnsway
was this. I hadn't managed to see him before. And
they are a band who I again, over the years
increasingly i'm a big admirer of. And that was awesome. Again,
songs of theirs, I'd love to see them play that
they didn't have time to fit in. But those were
so just so heavy and so terrifying and imposing and yeah, awesome,
very big energy shift going from that into Basement. I
don't know how you found it. I obviously I like
Basement a great deal. I thought they were very good.
And it's just like the thing of like being so
in that zone of just like nightmare fuel and then
like people jumping around and you know, doing the pop
punk point and all that stuff. But they were good.
Speaker 2: I've thought Basement really it was.
Speaker 3: It was a weird kind of like dynamic shift way
like if you've gone Harm's Ways trying to not lose,
that would have just been. Yeah, like nearly two hours
of just some of the most terrifying music you can
like feasibly have at a hard core s shem Bricks
and the Academy, but like Baseball were a fun like
some in the middle, like those songs are great, big
sing alongs like the Colomy and Kindness of is great.
Speaker 2: The new stuff they played sounds really promising.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of intrigued about any Basement album at this point,
which is something again that a couple of years ago
I never would have thought was like possible. But I thought,
you know, I've some Basement like multiple times in the
last couple of years now, and every time I'm just like,
they're just super easy to watch live. Sing along, you know,
do the big cover sing along at the end of
the set, have a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I hadn't seen them in because I hadn't
been to one of those various outbreaks at the game
they've been at. Yeah, I think I went to the
one that's in between the two big outbreaks act they
went to. So I haven't seen them since like twenty
eighteen or something, and I was I was kind of
taken by Uh, it's very everything they've done since coming back,
and by that I mean COVID right. It feels like
it's been quite nostalgia based in terms of like they've
done a lot of columny and kindness.
Speaker 3: Celebration in the first out of EXEPT was like, yeah,
I mean kindness, not in full but like celebration. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then this, I don't know if it's a thing
of like, you know, we're playing in front of hardcore fans.
Maybe hardcore fans really mostly know and appreciate like the
earlier Basement stuff. The last Basement album, the twenty eighteen one.
I think it's great and there are songs on that
record that I am stunned they don't play like.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite Basement album. It's the one that actually
was the moment of unlocked Basement for me.
Speaker 1: Was that album, Well, it sounds like a Jimmy at
World album, but like Disconnect and be here now and
stuff are fucking amazing songs, and I was like, you
need to bring those ones back, and I do. I
hope there is new Basement sooner rather than later at
this point, because I do feel like them continually milking
the Columny and Kindness anniversary thing for a good and
know a few years now is like, uh, you know,
it's it's it's welcome. It's good. They were good, but
I would like to see them move forward them it
be a more active band rather than a legacy one.
At this point, it's funny when they get to cover
the Leap in crowd volume is kind of amusing, like
people were you know, singing you know, nicely and stuff
for the you know, the other songs particular obviously the
other Colomy and Kindless songs. But then they get to cover.
Speaker 2: At the end and he goes when I'm and that's it,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Suddenly every single person in the room gets their phone
out to film it, and it's like what I imagine
being at a europe show when they play the final
countdown is it's like maybe people are enjoying the set
at that point, but then at the ends and that's
that's covered.
Speaker 2: The very emo version of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Basement were good and then Onto Not Loose,
who I had never seen Not to Lose headline. I
had only seen them, you know, lower down on tours
in the earlier days and then on festivals and stuff
like that. I think the last one I saw them
was when they played kind of mid afternoon of Bloodstock
a couple of years ago. And I think now off
this new album, they'd be you know, higher than that,
which I think someone pointed out. The venues they're doing
are basically the venue that like Bloodstock headliners do right, Like, yeah,
I've seen in.
Speaker 2: That most other years would be the then cl headliners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you know, Machine Heading, Gagira and those
are the band Trivia. Those are bands that play the
rooms that not Looser now in So I don't know
what their future at those kinds of places would be. Obviously,
Outbreak they're confirmed headliners forever at this point.
Speaker 3: I mean funny because they're obviously their subheadlining the London
one subits because I think the only band you can
probably put above them at Outbreak is turn Start and
they're just like six those two in that league category.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but seeing them in. This was obviously one of
those things of people talk a lot, and I think
people obviously they do it too kind of generously, and
I don't mean to do it in this sense, but
when people describing like, oh, they're the new Slipknot or whatever,
which is almost like our generation's equivalent of like the
new Metallica, Right, what I mean by a similarity there
is a band who, like we were saying, can kind
of like take it to extremes while continually galvanizing people.
Like what is something that is heavier than the setting
you are realistically seeing it in? You know, yeah, and
they are kind of going beyond that and they are
forging those links, and you know, they can be that
link between sleep Token and Harm's Way that Slipnot maybe
were between like Cold Chamber and Immolation or something like.
It's just the idea of seeing something as like rabid
as not loose do. What they did was really uh
like again with a set list of mostly current stuff,
like even when they go back to the oldest stuff
being you know, like Dead Ringer and catting worms and
stuff like that. I know it's nearly a decade old
at this point, but it's it's kind of we've seen
that graduate into being like the old stuff, and most
of the set is taken up by, like, you know,
the the last few years of stuff that people are
the most into. It just felt like a really big
kind of statement.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it felt exciting.
Speaker 3: It felt like a band like not relyingt on nostalgia
looking back is not like they put themselves like they're
like their current work front it so, and I think
on this album it makes sense because obviously this album
is such a specific vibe and again the technically that
the EP and the mini album or whatever, the CPS
whatever you want to like label them as now that
came before this, they fit that vibe as well because it.
Speaker 2: Is the whole like the horror like not loose sort
of thing.
Speaker 3: And so you've gone, right, we're gonna like push that
as the entire feeling of this set.
Speaker 2: And it's just like, oh, you are doing this like dark.
Speaker 3: Intense, scary music and people are just bouncing up and
down to it and having the best fucking time, and
it feels exciting to just be involved in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's struck by but again people knowing
the words not just to like the big break like
you know, they're not lose motherfucker, and yeah, it's how
fucking loud you know, suffocates or whatever. But like you know,
people around me who like know the words through album
tracks on you won't go with peace and yeah even.
Speaker 3: Though when they open with first and everyone's kind of
just in on that straight away or that like just that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there wasn't a clean vocal all night, Like
the entire set is.
Speaker 3: Just like is that or it's an yeah, like is that?
Are you two options? And it's like yeah, not a
clean vocal and they are doing what they're doing. And again,
that to me is just like there's no formula to success.
There's no like actual kind of like you like, the
bands who can actually just carve their own sort of
thing out and be distinct and be themselves are the
bands who are doing the best, the biggest and best
things right now.
Speaker 2: And like again I could say like maybe some of
those guns.
Speaker 3: On in the best things, but they are they they
have kind of like found their niche and that's why
they're massive. Playing the copycair game isn't working, like be individual,
be like what fucking not lusar go out there, don't
have a clean vocal be a beatdown hardcore band with
like definite influences, doing these kind of like sort of conceptual,
cohesively sequenced sort of albums and then just have like
this pumping bangers that people to bounce them down to.
Speaker 2: At the same time.
Speaker 3: It's just like a really like thing that left me
so infused with like like there are there, it doesn't
have to be as bad as it seemed at one
point in the last couple of weeks, like there's it's
not all doom and gloom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and seeing them inside so again, the last time
I saw them was a bloodstock like two years ago,
and like that. Obviously they were super heavy and everything,
but I thought that the outdoors, the like sub drop abuse,
was like a bit kind of a bit overbearing, but
inside it just it all worked and it was so.
Speaker 3: That the lighting, Yeah, it's just like a big cross like.
Speaker 1: So cave your head in heavy and as you're saying,
like stage presentation for what was still a hardcore show
is a nice balance, right and how you know photogenic
like you know, like you took a photo on your
phone and it looked like a really fucking awesome cool.
Speaker 3: Just like Brian's arms out the smoke and that, yeah,
just looked like a memorable stage. They didn't go over
boarding the stage, so it was the cross was kind
of it. But it was just like really effective lighting
them where they're positioned and all that, and it just
was like it never felt choreographed or ahearse, Like it
didn't feel like Brown was hitting the pose at that
moment because like he's gotta he's gotta strike the pose.
Just it's just kind of him was just like doing
this like violent scream, arms outstretched, and it just was like,
I feel like I'm just watching something fucking cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they played I think it was like every single
song on the new album apart.
Speaker 3: I felt so vindicated by this setling choice of like
everything Barstaw to House too, which I was like, yeah, cool,
you actually know that that's some doesn't belong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love Slaughterhouse too. And I was thinking, like,
you know, I'm sure there are some I don't know,
some teenagers out there who this is one of their,
you know, first bands they really getting into, who would
expect them to play that's maybe it's just a case
of like it's not fitting the particular set, but not
having motionless in white there right, like not having well.
Speaker 2: You said that, but they did, you know, Suffocate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's more that you know that the
Slaughterhouse song is it was literally inname, it's tied. It's
kind of part of the whole, you know, it's a
sort of duet. But yeah, every single time of their
own a part from a slaughter House couple thrown in
from a different shade of blue, which.
Speaker 2: I mistakes like fractures when.
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, mate, that could be my favorite
not loose song. There's like two or up there three
from that album. The other ones they don't really play anymore,
which is a shame, but mistakes like Fractures still being
in there is like, yeah, that's the one for me.
Every single time that I will go for the fucking
the pig squeal bit in Suffocate lasted ages. He did
it so long.
Speaker 3: Honestly I was. I cackled when he held that pig
skill on. But as long as yeah, like fair fucking play,
I will say. Obviously there was one thing I think
only happened at Brixton, which was when they did Billy
No Mates off of the last tracks Kadeen from.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Yeah, Yeah, they played that song, but not
with That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was to be a single kind of
figure who it was.
Speaker 3: And then and then basically Brandt had as one and
I was like, oh fuck, that's who's just walked on
stage and that was fucking sick. Like doing one of
the earlier Not Loose songs with with Kadeen.
Speaker 2: That was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that only happened at the Manchester date
wasn't quite as good, which this is weird seeing like
like you know, news outlets in America and stuff picking
up on this. I guess that's how big Not Loose
are that like an extremely minor event at one of
their shows gets at traction. But basically he said that
it was like, you know, we couldn't do this at
Brixton yesterday, which I guess is because of the floor
situation at Brixton. It was like we want a wall
of death all the way to the very back to
like the sound desk, so obviously people you know, split
the room in half. Uh and then uh, I think
it was like everything is quiet now or something. It
was like, you know, one of those drop songs and
when you know they went together and that it collided
and everything suddenly the just like the sound went off,
band playing stopped, and then they all just quickly were
kind of ushered off stage and moved off stage, and
then maybe it wasn't long, maybe about you know, a
minute and a half to two minutes later they appeared
back out again, and Brian said, like, you know, they
said that you were going too crazy or something, and
then they just continued exactly well, so it's like nothing
really happened. Basically, there was a there was a wall
of death that for some reason the Victoria Warehouse decided
looked a bit too dangerous, and within two minutes they
were playing again and the rest of the show happened
as normal.
Speaker 3: But it's something because my friend Missus was like, it
was like, did they go off after everything's quite now?
Speaker 1: And no?
Speaker 3: So yeah, So I was like they finished that song
and then they had like a kind of minute or
so of like ambience spooky out effects when they went
off stage before coming back on Blinding Faith, and I
was like, oh no, no, no, no, they just like stopped
the song and walked off.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I saw the videos. I was like, okay,
that's a venue thing.
Speaker 1: It was a nothing story. Really, I'm just I'm just
explaining it in case anyone out there who wasn't there
was curious as to what happened, and we can kind
of not make it out to be any bigger than
it was. Basically, I said that the sound got turned
off for like a minute, and then they came back.
Speaker 2: That they were meant to go on.
Speaker 3: They weren't after that in the set to kind of
like not not for a no, but just kind of
like allow kind of like a minute of like spooky
atmospherics and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, all and all, I think it's undeniably
very impressive. What Not Loose Again. I was with some
friends and stuff who aren't even like huge Not Lose fans,
but they were kind of drawn in by the curiosity
of like this band who are getting heavy with every release,
doing such a huge show. And I think everyone shares
that kind of Uh you know, you might only be
a little and Not Loose, or you might be like
they are your favorite band, but I think everyone shares
this kind of admiration right now for what they're pulling
off with stuff like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again.
Speaker 3: It was this week where online there was a video
of just Brian like washing properly on stage of like,
you know what, even if the crowds aren't that anymore,
I can't hate Not Loose because they are keeping it
real like on that sort of friden and show. They're
like that that they still want to be seen as
a proper hardcore band. And yeah, it was I'm so
glad I kind of do hold off and wait until
outbreak because it just felt like a big event to
be part of and was like one of my favorites
I've seen this year so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was the you won't go before you're
supposed to tour from from Not Loosen and Friends, Basement harms, way,
pest control, good stuff all around. There A little bit
of news just to fly through fairly quickly. A couple
of them was just like flipping things to start off with.
Which is the first headline we've got is that Kiss
have announced their first show since their farewell show. I
don't think. I don't think this is entirely like a
big you know, I don't know, enormous. I think it
might be a fans army what's this Kiss army storms
Vegas event? I don't know what that means it's also
a unmasked show. So hopefully that means I'll just be
playing two so to the coin repeatedly, over and over again.
But I don't I just expect this with kiss, you know,
I think, yeah, I was like, yeah, sure, this is
kind of separate to any of the ongoing trends around
farewell shows, or I think this is just kiss being kissed.
This will happen in perpetuity, but there you go.
Speaker 3: There's money to be made, they'll keep using every opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we just have a conclusion to the
Guns and Roses drummer story from last week. So Frank Ferrer,
the nineteen you know year, you know, holder of the
drum stool for Guns and Roses, he left. People went, oh,
I wonder if Matt Saum or someone will come back. Instead,
it's Isaac Carpenter, who is best known for his work
with Duff mccagan's Loaded, and also after that he was
playing with Awell Nation. So there you go. That's that's
the Guns and Roses drummer situation. I'm sure everyone feels
highly enriched by this information. Laura Jane Grace is back
with another album. This is a band Laura Jane Grace
in the Trauma tropes. I'm presuming that's a you know, she.
Speaker 2: Just renames her back every time now.
Speaker 1: The same as it always is. But there's an album
called Adventure Club that's coming out in July. This is
like a year or something since the last one, which
I think was about a year or something since one
before that, So we're just getting perpetual low effort.
Speaker 2: I guess what I say, Guess what the first thing,
Guess what.
Speaker 3: The song sounds like. It's ninety seconds long. It's not bad,
but I was just kind of like, I've given up.
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 3: I've given up against me, against me, never coming back.
Speaker 2: I've made peace. Like everyone race like is happy.
Speaker 3: Playing in this, just like doing these kind of like
fairly kind of like I said, I don't want to
say low effort, but just kind of like throw away
ninety second punk songs with her wife and the band,
and they're happy and having good time. I'm happy for them.
I'm like, load, I guess you've done enough. Go be
happy doing this kind of sort of thing. Leave against me.
I've made peace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously I don't. I haven't even listened to
this song. I just you know, I know what they
all kind of are. It's not for me, right, And
I hear these records and to me they sound like
a conveyor belt of just like thrown together in you know,
ninety seconds. But you as like the big fan, you know,
the fact that you're almost like checking out, what is that?
What does that say?
Speaker 3: Like, I think it's just it's just that I have
such a song like connection to against me And like again,
I'm sure there will be some songs in this like
there is with everyone of these selling records, rather thenvasing
like I actually really liked them one. I think that's
that's great, that kind of like I get them. I
was like, there's the Jane Grace who wrote some of
my favorite songs ever. But these happening so frequently and
I'm just like I haven't got these sort of infusion
to keep kind of and being like, yeah, some of
it's really good, some of it is just ninety seconds
of some that was like a voice note that they
decided to slap some like like fairly stop free cord
Punk rifts under. But again, like I'm not bearing any
ill wielwadge. It's like like that it's he was having
a fun time doing this, Like like I say, turn
a wife in the band and some of their friends
and they're just having a good time.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least it's not Olie Sykes's voice notes power Wolf.
Let's move on to some live news, a few live announcements,
and we start with Powerwolf, who have announced that they
are going to be playing Wembley Arena in twenty twenty
six weird seeing twenty twenty six on show announcements now,
but March the seventh, twenty twenty sixth they are going
to be playing Wembley in London with hammer Fall and
wind Rows with them. My Windows, I think, is that
band who they like did a collab song with on
like one of their last records. But Powerwolf, weird. They're
the weird band who for some reason, they only play
UK shows either in London every few years or occasionally
at Bloodstock. They don't ever.
Speaker 3: Well I think they've done it your download downs, you'll
haven't they sure, yeah, but they don't actually tour.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre, Like they don't play headline shows anywhere else
in the UK, which is strange. But Powerwolf, you know,
following on into that, you know, sabotage shaped Gap and
going into Wembley and stuff. Because of the reason they've
just said, I won't be at this Wembley show, but
I do hope to be at the inevitable Bloodstock headline
that comes a year or two after this, right, I think.
Speaker 2: I think that's got to be I think that, like
they do this, they've got to be like mailed on
bloodsock headliness that.
Speaker 3: But I'm probably I think I might grab a ticket
for this because it's been a while since I've seen
Powerwall live and I'm just like before I seeing some
of those songs in Wembley and like, you know, just
burting out sanctified with dynamite at like the top of
my voice, Like that sounds like a lovely time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Powell officially now for you know, one date
here an arena band in the UK. Download Firstival ruffled
some feathers of this week, I guess by they booked
the Wenger Boys. Now this is you need to explain
to me because I am not a regular download goer.
I'm certainly I'm not the demographic for whatever the fuck
this stage is. But District X download is this, Like
I don't know, a novel ty VIP area.
Speaker 3: No, so just like is something that's not been there
in my time of going to down at thest just
be the doghouse tent was like the the after party
DJ set sort of tent like they do to district
acted there kind of like area in the village now
which is kind of like the designated Entertainment after ours zone.
It's still got you know, the doghouse DJ tent and
then it's just got a load of other stuff going on.
And so that's why I look at it, Well, yeah,
you've booked the younger boys and your kind of novelty
after hours, late night fun sort of club thing. Fair
enough booked like something silly for that, Like I'm in
that is like totally like not a like controversial booking
in the sliders at this point, Like but it is
just funny seeing younger boys at download. But yeah, you
look at this sort of stay, it's like, yeah, you've
got it's just like the younger boys, a female friend
acoustic set and then twenty various DJ sets.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool.
Speaker 1: I mean it's quite amusing that you must imagine that
the younger boys, you know, a couple of their songs
probably have more streams than the vast majority of acts
actually playing download Festival, but there they are just in
the village. Yeah, but then you got the headline or
of download books Younger Boys. There was also another little
Arc Tangent announcement, adding a bunch of stuff onto their
I guess probably pretty close to be complete now line up.
They already had most of the headliner. I think there's
one still on this poster that's TVA, but they've added
on maybe she Will Frontiera, Carath, Dower Boys, a bunch
of good stuff that if you are a regular Art
Tangent goer, I'm sure that you are very happy with.
And then a few more little tours actually announced. Three
Inches of Blood and Spirit Adrift together have added a
few UK dates around. They're both appearing at Bloodstock Festival.
But if you are not a Bloodstock and you are
in for example, Manchester or London.
Speaker 3: Considering London, after those last night, you've kind of sold
this tourmeo in that the last year or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Birmingham was well in between those two. But three
Inches of Blood then coming back exciting and that's one
of the things that Bloodstock that I'd be most looking
forward to catch in Spirit Adrift. Fucking great, so big
heavy metal vibes at that show if you're not you know,
at a bloodstock, but you fancy seeing that. And then
over in the US, I guess that that split that
they put out was some kind of prelude to this.
There is a big fucking like three way nineties you
know hardcore, some some serious straight edge vibes going on.
Judge Earth Crisis and Integrity are doing a tour of
the two respective coasts in the US primarily, but I mean,
you know, if we were Americans, that's a good show to.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bring that to the UK, please like some
of that because that is such a like cool like
just nineties sort of legendary hardcore, metallic cardcore, just mean
sounding bands all in one night.
Speaker 2: That's a cool time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would Obviously we're doing work on it right
now for the album club pack we have coming up,
but I would love to see Integrity and an Earth
Crisis as well. So that's good. And if you are
one of our listeners over in the mainland of Europe
and you would like to see Enter Shakari, then they
have announced a twenty twenty five headline tour where they
have said that they are going to be playing in
several cities and countries that they have not played in
nearing nearing a decade at this point of Spain, for example,
they haven't played in that amount of time. But crazy yeah.
But if you are again maybe across Germany or Belgium
or any of these places where they are playing, then
Er Shikari could be coming to your town, So get
into all of that. So, as said over on the
Patreon this week, we are going to be in a
couple of days time from when this goes out, we're
doing our album club pack that we announced last time.
I have been listening to the wonderful album The Devil,
you know by Heaven and Hell. I have been listening
to sixteen Horsepower, which is a chat I'm really curious
to get, you know, you guys opinion on, and then
I think, you know, as this goes out today, I'm
going to go sit down and write my notes on
Cavin and Integrity and to really really cool, interesting out
there albums from Too Hardcore Great. So that is going
to be coming in a couple of days over at
the Natal Metal Patreon. Otherwise, up there right now. There
is of course the finished Black Sabbath non Ausie Years special,
which this Heaven and Hell Album Club is kind of
an two. I also have just started to sit down
and flesh out a bit of the skeleton for what
our next special coming you know in April, is going
to be so cheer to anybody who goes and checks
all that stuff out. That is what has kept this
podcast alive for all these years, and it's massively appreciated
everybody who contributes over there. Let's finish this hypoblast with
the releases. And because a last week was a reviews episode,
and b because it is March, it's another bloody megabag.
So if you are desperate looking out there for all
the new music you can get, then have yourself a
sit down and listen to what I am about to
tell you. First off, unconventional start here, but humor me.
This I only learned came out like yesterday, It came
out earlier in the month. But I found out that
one of my favorite stupid people in the entire heavy
metal universe is back. There's a guy with a project
called Officus with a V where the you would be
in Officus and he a few years ago put out
a record called Machine Gun Reaper with a song called
Demon Girl Babe on it, which is like one of
my favorite stupid like I can only describe it. I
think he's like Columbian via Columbus, Ohio, and I can
only describe it as like genuine kind of outsider are
heavy metal, Like it's that blackened the heavy metal thing
that you'd expect from your midnights and stuff like that,
but made by against someone really far on the fringes.
And I was so excited when I found out that
there was a new record out called Steel Beast. It's
over an hour long for some reason, and he seems
to have discovered keyboards on this one. And I just
think if any of what I'm saying sounds like it's
something you'd have fun with, you need to go and
check out the song Frozen Hell Hero, which has a
gobsmacking chorus, and you need to listen to the song
my Rocket Crashed in Uranus, which, in regards to the
synth work and vocal effects and stuf true, I was
not prepared for what I heard on that so real
heavy metal lives. When you go and listen to the
new album from Offercus. Anyway, let's get back on track
last week's releases, not including the ones that we reviewed
on the show. I guess, you know, the biggest profile
of those might that we didn't cover might come from
Cradler Filth, who put up their new record, The Screening
of the Valkyries, of course, one of my favorite band
of all time. I have, of course, you know, given
this record a good handful of spins now and you know,
I'm speaking with you know, fellow Cradler Filth super fan
Alex Chillingworth, and kind of maybe some some you know
words about how this may be is not as good
as like the previous kind of run of like they
were on such a hot streak for particularly their last
three albums from Hammer of the Witches onwards, and this
maybe kind of slightly below that kind of standard, I think.
I I've listened to it a few times and I
generally I agree. I think it is kind of like
the the darkly darkly Venus versus slash Mantacre of like
this particular era of Cradle. But I like those albums,
so you know, I have I think it's probably the
first pray of the fifth album in you know the
last decade. Really that maybe probably won't make my top
twenty at the end of the year, but I like
it a lot, and there's a lot of really good
songs on it, and I'm just I'm just happy with
them doing what they do. So that's my brief little
Cradle take on their on their new album. Maybe further
thoughts on it at some other point, but there you go. Also,
Bloody Would put up their record New Delhi, and I
know this is also a band who played some very
big venues on tour this past week. The Bloody Would
thing is not really for me in any shape or form,
but they are another band who you know, are on
the up. So their new record, New Delhi came out
last week. Maybe on the up in some sense I
don't know, Laudie, I guess, on the up in the
amount of albums they continually kind of rack up. They
put out their album Limited Edition, so it was definitely
a big week for Alex Chillingworth. Then, returning at the Blue,
the band's Secret Cutter put out a record which might
be called three It's like three forward slashes, but Secret
Cutter are a like a I guess, sort of metallic
Hart called grind type band and did you remember this band? No,
this is one of This is their first record since
like twenty eighteen, and they kind of surprise Lysis record.
It was like, oh, you guys, I remember you one
of those because I remember their last record being about
but if you know, if you like heavy, nasty grind
and stuff like that, then that record is out there.
More in sort of scream oy terrain. There's a band
called storm O who put out a record called tag
Lely Slash Taglely or Tally. There is the band Ursa,
who put out more of a kind of sort of
progressive metal, heavy, chuggy, you know, seven string type affair.
You'll never guess how noisy. The band Noise Picker Are
who put a record called The Earth Will Swallow the Sun.
A few records coming from the realm of death metal.
Last week there was Gates to Hell with Death Comes
to All. You're into that one, Sam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of death metal tinged hardcore. The Drama is
one Trey Garris, younger brother of Brian Garrison, which is like,
like that's pretty cool, but like, I think this album
is just cool. Just twenty two minutes of just like
nasty kind of like def metally hardcore good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was also the self titled album from Corpus Awful,
which this is the new band formed out of the
the great death metal band Cerebral Rott, who we have
previously reviewed on this podcast. They broke up, but this
new band, Corpus offl has kind of sprung out of
it and that starts their record out.
Speaker 2: So I imagine that's very stinky and disgusting.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, if you like Cerebral rot you'll you'll like
this one as well. I believe, you know, similar kind
of stinky stuff. From Closer to Home we had Rancid
Cadaver with Mortality Denied. From Hungary, there is the band
Rotha Dus but playing more kind of a death doom realm.
They have a very long title that even I will,
you know, absolutely forsake my Hungarian Blood in terms of
my inability to say the thing Tova Sker something like that,
probably very far from that, but a very long title
from Hungarian death doom band. And then for some reason
last week was like EP Central for metallic hardcore bands.
First up from Iron Form. This is released on Church
Road Records. I believe they released an EP called cut
from Cold Blood. This features members of some kind of
UK you know, hardcore bands that you may be familiar with,
and again drawing inspiration from like metallic hardcore and post
hardcore and stuff like that. But then also a couple
of EPs literally from all one word lower case angel
metalcore bands. So we had these self titled EP from
Anvil Chandelier and we had these self titled EP from
Heaven's Cold Hands. One of those ones, I think the
Anvil Chandelier one was produced by one of them, one
of the guys from Cespace Cowboy, and I think.
Speaker 2: Connie was did the artwork for it.
Speaker 3: She guests one on the tracks as well, so Connie
is kind of like quite tied in with them at
the moment.
Speaker 2: I love both these EPs.
Speaker 3: I saw the Heaven's Cold Hand ones, took look at
the pond, I was like, I know exactly what this
sounds like and if it doesn't sound like that, I'm
gonna be very upset.
Speaker 2: And it sounded exactly like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both just cool like poison. Like I said that
Angel statue, metalcore worship good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that is out there from last week. This week,
the final week of the busiest release month so far, March,
we are going to start with I think the record
from this bunch that most of us will be most
highly looking forward to. Death Heaven are back with Lonely
People with Power. Obviously, March reviews were so stacked that
we've kind of part this for now, but we of
course will be giving full thoughts on the Death Heaven
album when we next come around doing our reviews episode.
Then we have, you know, post hardcore Stalwats at this
point under Oath with their record the Place after this
one Sam. Under Oath are several albums deep into an
era where I don't know if anyone talks.
Speaker 2: About them, they're still being in America. They are in America.
Speaker 3: I like, under Oath this kind of like post reunion
sort of output whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there you go new under Oath. And then
speaking of whatever, Memphis Mayfire are back with Shape Shifter.
How are they still back?
Speaker 3: I genuinely every time I find it they're still together,
I'm like, who is out America? It's America. I'm sure
it's America.
Speaker 2: America.
Speaker 3: You've gotta have words like you've got to stop doing this,
but song like like like also rans of also rans
in Metleicore, like just bizarre that they that people still care.
Speaker 1: With the voice of a generation. Then we have the
new record from Arch Enemy. It's like their twelfth or
thirteenth record or something. They've been bloody busy over the years,
haven't they. It's a good art Jenemy record. You know,
I've listened to this one. If you like the last
like two or three Arch Enemy records. They you know,
they kind of supply you with a thing with subtle
variation and so you go, ah, here's a song with
like a bit of a d beat. Here's a song
with a bit more of a kind of like a
tad new ever British heavy metal type feel. I tend
to like generally what they do. I know it's not
cool to like Arch Enemy these days, but I think
they're very reliable and I think it's a you know,
not a world shaking but a good fun Arch Enemy record.
Then we have the new record from Alien Weaponry called Terra.
This is there, you know, I think like third or
fourth record at this stage Alien Weaponry. I'd be curious
to know. I guess how continually plugged in people are
with them, because on their first record they were pretty hypey,
and then I think that you know, they still you know,
show face at like festivals and stuff like that, but
I don't know necessarily how continued that momentum has been.
So if there's anyone out there really big into the
alien weaponry albums or has opinions about their trajectory, you know,
let us know. The Darkness are back with another stupid
titled album, just along the long line of them, long
may it continue. I guess Dreams on Toast is their
new album, Backwash the sort of noisy industrial I guess
laced you know, hardcore, sometimes laced hip hop. Yeah, at
their new record Only Dust Remains is out. Then we
move into actual hardcore, and first we've got Give Bomb
with Ethereal released on Flat Spot Records. Give Bomb is
a band that you have mentioned a few times, Sam, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, corn live a bunch just like really in your
face can like sure like really like gut really heavy
like hardcore punk songs. I'm very excited to sort of
hear all that because they've got they've had like a
couple of evp's and demos out, but into what like
a full length record from them can kind of showcase
if there is more to our Office's just kind of like, yeah,
he's just like sort of really hard battering for twenty
odd minutes, which are we fine with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if a full length
record was twenty one minutes long, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's generally what I'm expecting from this, But I'm
intrigued obviously what they.
Speaker 2: Have on off.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then a couple more sort of slightly more
metallic hardcore leaning bands, And there's dooms Day with Never
Known Peace, and also the Warriors come out and play.
Their record is called Burn Yourself Alive. Then we have
I think back over on this side of Atlantic, the
band Forlorn with a record called Ether. This is kind
of like, uh, you know, sort of gent metalcore but
with like a sort of a folk corror tinge for
some like the green lungification of metalcore.
Speaker 2: But there you go.
Speaker 1: Forlorn their records out. We're gonna move into a run
of underground heavy metal records. There is Savage Master releasing
Dark and Dangerous, which I think is the one of
these I'm gonna, you know, go and check out because
Savage Master rip. Then we also have Lady Beast straight
good album art on that one as well The Inner Alchemist.
And in the UK we've got Seven Sisters with Shadow
of a Fall and Star Part two into the underground
of extreme metal. Midweek, for some reason, Cult of Fire
released their album which is called The One Who Is
Made of Smoke. This is like the kind of Eastern philosophy,
you know, integrated black metal band who you know, kind
of with one of the standouts at Damnation last year.
Really good band. I just listed this record right before
we were recording, and it's really good. I think it's
like probably one of their more intense things they've done
in a while. So the new Cuttle Fire record. If
you're interested in how that sounds on then you can
go and check out that record. Then we have released
today the Mutation Blood album from the Visceral Abyss. This
is one of the most just like heavy going extreme
bands when it comes to like black and death metal
and war metal and that kind of fixture. They release
an album like once every like seven eight years or something,
and then people go fucking absolutely batty for them, and
I think this is supposed to be the last one,
So there you go. But Tation Blood's new album is
out today long awaited Greek black metal, very hellenic black
metal from a guy who used to be in Rotten Christ.
Lucifer's Child release their new record The Illuminant, much more
black speed, you know, maniacal fair. We have Urn with
demon Steel. This is Earned without the E, so i'd say, yeah,
not that, not to be confused with you know, they're
the ones who altered it. This is like old school
actual spelling of Urn, but there you go. And then
a handful of EPs to end us off. Firstly, we
have arm and Rah, who again I haven't like entirely
got my head around this concept thing, but arm and
Rah are releasing two EPs on the same day, so
this is basically like.
Speaker 2: A album album.
Speaker 1: It's an album of user and you can buy the
two as like a compilation of the two, but I
guess you know thematically whatever they separated into. So it's
like two fifteen minute releases.
Speaker 3: So one of thirty minutes istill be short for an
album from armand then wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know so, So there are two different
EPs from Armana, both out today. One is called the Torn,
one is called with Fang and Claw. I guess I'm
curious to see if the two EPs, you know, differ
majorly in flavor or something. But obviously we love Armanras,
so we will loose.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go and go in this to those wallows
if you want more, you know, going of soft drop. There,
that's the guy with the band with Dila minette, isn't
it from uh what shows are the in the in
thirteen Reasons?
Speaker 3: Why was that one of his I think I'd not
follow this there, and then you mentioned I was like, oh, yeah,
that's who this is, Like, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Always think he was being the don't breathe guy, but
there you go. His band are an EP called More
Again Much More scream Oh Fare. I think this is
a debut EP, but if you like, you know, if
you want to keep your hands on your upcoming screamo bands.
There's a band called sum but their EP is called
this is My Outside Voice, and then there is I
think this is more of a collaborative EP rather than
like a split, but it's a between again two of
the metalcore bands who are very very popular in spheres
outside of mine, but Silent Planet and invent Animate have
got together for a collaborative EP called bloom in Heaven,
So that is what is out over you know, the
twenty first and the twenty eighth of March twenty twenty five.
Very excited to go and get my clause into you know,
the Death Heaven album and stuff like that after we've
done this wonderful album club pack episode that we are
about to embark on. So as said, if you want
to hear that then you can join us over on
the Patreon. Otherwise, thank you very much for joining us.
We hope that if you went to the not loose
at all you enjoyed it as much as much as
we did. Lovely great stuff talking about all of that.
Thank you very much for listening. We will be back
you know, very shortly again with another one of these,
so yeah, rock on, everybody. Cheers