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<v Speaker 1>Today, I want to tell you about a journey that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on for most of my life. Ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 1>wild men while spending time with my friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over

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<v Speaker 2>the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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<v Speaker 2>over the fence and name was dead once you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was my dog coming over the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>Sat.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you reporting we got some wonder or something crawling

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<v Speaker 2>around out here? Did you see what it was? It

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<v Speaker 2>was enough out here. Look, come new to Onedow now

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>hit the boddy out here when I'm out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought of a bet of about set nine. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy him out there. Yeah, I'm walking right away.

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<v Speaker 1>He there, and thanks so much for joining me for

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<v Speaker 1>this midweek bonus episode of the show. I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you part two of the audio I brought back

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<v Speaker 1>from the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot conference out in Missouri a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago. What you were about to hear

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<v Speaker 1>is the presentation given by Shane Carpenter there at the conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're really going to enjoy him breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>some of the trackways that he's found and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the more interesting things that they found out at the

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and some of his other research areas. You

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<v Speaker 1>may remember that Shane actually talked about some of these

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<v Speaker 1>things when he was on the show last year. All

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<v Speaker 1>this left for you to do is sit back, relax,

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoy the show.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point, I had to tell my wife that

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<v Speaker 3>I've just seen Bigfoot, says Watch and only that. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to tell her that, and when I was ten,

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<v Speaker 3>I had never told her that. So I had two

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<v Speaker 3>confessions to make at that point. Luckily enough for me,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife believed me. She didn't want to go back

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<v Speaker 3>out to that place anymore. She wasn't too excited about

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<v Speaker 3>hiking at all.

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<v Speaker 4>After that, and she hadn't seen anything, but she believed

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<v Speaker 4>me enough to know that I.

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<v Speaker 3>At least thought I was talking the truth. That was

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<v Speaker 3>July first, July second, at five thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Am, I was back out there. For me, it was

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<v Speaker 4>more than anything I wanted to go face my fear

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<v Speaker 4>because I had this traumatic thing that happened to me

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<v Speaker 4>when I was ten. I didn't really look at it

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<v Speaker 4>that way up to that point. I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 4>back out face my fears and not so much sad,

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<v Speaker 4>but I felt like this has happened to me twice.

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<v Speaker 4>If something bad was going to happen, it should have

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<v Speaker 4>already happened, or probably would have. I was there at

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<v Speaker 4>five thirty the next morning, and over the next month,

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<v Speaker 4>it was just absolutely crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I was the experience of things that I did not

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<v Speaker 3>the experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I was finding things I didn't expect to find, and

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<v Speaker 4>it led me on this journey this twenty thirteen. Here

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<v Speaker 4>we are in twenty twenty four, and I'm still as

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<v Speaker 4>obsessed as I've ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Been in this stuff. Okay, typically I see two kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of people when they have sightings. They either want.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing to do with this, or they've dived head first

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<v Speaker 4>and become somewhat obsessed for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>Just if you want answers, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to know what you experienced, You want to know

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<v Speaker 4>that you're not crazy. Right, I think I'm up sound line.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys can do your own judges.

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<v Speaker 3>I I'm really hard there for.

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<v Speaker 4>About three years with the idea of I got to

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<v Speaker 4>a point I wanted to prove to people that these

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<v Speaker 4>things were real. I didn't feel like I could talk

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<v Speaker 4>about it openly without being able to say, hey, look

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<v Speaker 4>at to see I told.

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<v Speaker 3>You where it is right of Corsepones in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't take great pictures or a great video when I

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<v Speaker 3>would catch them.

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<v Speaker 4>I would take these pictures. They were always from a distance,

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<v Speaker 4>so they were never clear. They're always fuzzy. So I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't feel like I could show people these things and

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<v Speaker 4>have them look at me and say, okay, this guy's

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<v Speaker 4>I decided to take somebody out with the event. And

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<v Speaker 4>I am m and a coach, ex professional fighter. At

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<v Speaker 4>this point in my life, I had retired from fighting

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<v Speaker 4>and was full time training fighters, and I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 4>what better person to take with me than one of

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<v Speaker 4>my fighters. And I had one that was as military man,

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<v Speaker 4>this is working Canadate, he's brave, he's gonna go out there.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was with me, we're gonna see these things,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm gonna have a partner that will go out

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<v Speaker 4>and do this with me, so I don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>do this by myself. All the time I took him out,

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<v Speaker 4>he got to hear them you got to see traps,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he got to see one from twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>to thirty feet away.

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<v Speaker 3>His reaction was not what I expected.

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<v Speaker 4>He went into full pan code like anxiety attack, eyes watering,

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<v Speaker 4>like I had a hard time breathing, felt like he

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<v Speaker 4>was gonna cut.

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<v Speaker 3>He turned ghost white.

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<v Speaker 4>I literally after that, I had to hike him out immediately.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't want to be there in those woods anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>I started searching for other people to do this with

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<v Speaker 4>in that picular situation, because I wanted so badly for

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<v Speaker 4>somebody else to see these things so that I could

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<v Speaker 4>openly talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About it and i'd have somebody that could batten me up.

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<v Speaker 3>That day, he had chased that.

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<v Speaker 4>Particular one, and from that point forward things went downhill.

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<v Speaker 4>But up until that point it was was phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I was having all these just wild experiences by myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Eventually brought my oldest son into the picture. He had

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<v Speaker 4>got to see them three times before that whole situation dissolved.

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<v Speaker 3>He openly talks about it nowadays. He's twenty years old.

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<v Speaker 4>This was all happening when he was in his mid teens,

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<v Speaker 4>and for a while he wouldn't openly talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's like me, he doesn't care if he'll speak

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<v Speaker 3>his truth, and you know it, he's okay with that.

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<v Speaker 3>He got the witness.

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<v Speaker 4>I took two other people out, but eventually got to

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<v Speaker 4>witness them, and then that whole situation dissolved. It was

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<v Speaker 4>about a year later I got pulled into a situation.

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<v Speaker 4>The property owner thought that he had people out on

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<v Speaker 4>his property running deer at night illegally. He was finding

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<v Speaker 4>the ruptures all over his property and seeing figures occasionally,

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<v Speaker 4>so he started.

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<v Speaker 3>Destroying all these little structures and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 4>They saw a figure one night, and we're actually at

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<v Speaker 4>a slingshot, we're shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>He still heads at him at this figure that was

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<v Speaker 3>out in the woods. Of course, they were on a hill.

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<v Speaker 3>It was down the valley.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they weren't booking to getting close, and they

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<v Speaker 4>thought that they were running people off their property.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually the happening smoothed towards his cabin.

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<v Speaker 4>He started having rocks thrown around his cabin, and I

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<v Speaker 4>would get the off front.

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<v Speaker 3>Of barbecue and rocks would fly over the back of

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<v Speaker 3>the cabin and land in the yard with other people there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wasn't the only one experiencing this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>This went on for a while and an old friend

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<v Speaker 4>of mine contacted me. I had talked him in twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Hey, I saw you on a website. You're

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<v Speaker 3>in the Bigfoot. I have a place I need to

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<v Speaker 3>take you. When can you go? I said, how about

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow morning? Next morning, I was out on this for

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<v Speaker 3>a new property where all this stuff was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>We spent about eight hours hiking through this four hundred

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<v Speaker 4>acre property, and.

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<v Speaker 3>About six hours into it, I caught him followed us.

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<v Speaker 3>So my first day out there. He had never seen

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<v Speaker 3>him out there, so it was the first.

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<v Speaker 4>Time he had got to see them too, and hiding

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<v Speaker 4>behind a rock at prop that we had passed, and

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<v Speaker 4>all all we really got to see was its head

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<v Speaker 4>poking out.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was my first time out.

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<v Speaker 4>There, I didn't want to create any habit, so we

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<v Speaker 4>just kept going, watching our backs occasionally.

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<v Speaker 3>That turned into six years of research now on this property.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still researching there. I brought in a guy bought

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<v Speaker 3>a name of Randy Hearing Kim it's a great research room.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought him into this and the very first time I

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<v Speaker 3>brought people into this property.

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<v Speaker 4>Normally, when you bring people into a situation like this,

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<v Speaker 4>things flat lined and that's not what happened. Everything ramped up,

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<v Speaker 4>which was unexpected. Rainy became like the commonplace because started

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<v Speaker 4>coming out of researching this property with me.

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<v Speaker 3>My thing is tracking. I'm out a lot looking down

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<v Speaker 3>and scanning what.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed doing it. Just so happens there's an area

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<v Speaker 3>on this property that is pristine for tracks. First time

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<v Speaker 3>I found on tracks was the very first time I

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<v Speaker 3>brought these guys into research with me. Ended up just

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<v Speaker 3>narrowing it down to me and Randy. So we found

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<v Speaker 3>this first track way out there, and it was there

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<v Speaker 3>were human sized tracks.

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<v Speaker 4>Our inclination was at lease may or may not be

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<v Speaker 4>hard to say, and at the time I wasn't really

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<v Speaker 4>proficient on these types of tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>I really doped into human tracking. I've got a couple buddies.

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<v Speaker 4>That one in particular that was the ex military tracker.

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<v Speaker 4>Ended up doing some things with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Occasion, learned some things from him on the human tracking side.

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<v Speaker 4>Put my two skill sets together, started finding a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more stuff, things that I didn't even realize I should

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<v Speaker 4>be looking for. One of these things, in particular, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>go into this real quick, just because this is a

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<v Speaker 4>newer thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Early on, me and Randy decided that we were just

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<v Speaker 3>going to follow our evidence evidence on team, so we

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<v Speaker 3>weren't going to watch other people's videos. At least me,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't gonna watch other.

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<v Speaker 4>People's videos and maybe their evidence in the consideration of

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<v Speaker 4>things I should be finding in the four hundreds.

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<v Speaker 3>That was our kind of first rule of them, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to create our.

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<v Speaker 4>Ideology off of the evidence that we find, and then

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<v Speaker 4>only we boused. Okay, with that being said, we've started

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<v Speaker 4>finding some things that we had hadn't heard of anybody

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<v Speaker 4>else finding. One of them, in particular, was I started

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<v Speaker 4>finding these holes, and these holes would only be four

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<v Speaker 4>or five six inches around, They maybe four or five

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<v Speaker 4>six inches deep, but they would be dug out with

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<v Speaker 4>the stick, and the stick would still be in the hole,

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<v Speaker 4>and the end of the stick would be mud or

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<v Speaker 4>dirt cover, which you could easily tell it been used

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<v Speaker 4>to dig the hole.

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<v Speaker 3>At times it would be like jabbing into the hole

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<v Speaker 3>sticking straight up.

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<v Speaker 4>I kept that to myself for a long time, just

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<v Speaker 4>because one, there's no evidence, what did they need to

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely none, So we can't say two I hadn't heard.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody else ever talk about finding these holes with sticks

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<v Speaker 3>in them.

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<v Speaker 4>The only correlation I had with this at the time

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<v Speaker 4>was we started finding six inch tracks. They were far

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<v Speaker 4>and few between, but it was the only thing that

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<v Speaker 4>I could possibly relate to these holes.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got that to ourselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And about a year and a half ago, maybe two

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, me and Randy went to Oklahoma on a

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<v Speaker 4>trip and we got into a forest area on a

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<v Speaker 4>creed and I had another tracker with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Randy was back.

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<v Speaker 4>Where we had parked and he had the drone out

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<v Speaker 4>and was scanning ahead of us with a thermal drone.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a local tracker with me who was also

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<v Speaker 3>into the subject.

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<v Speaker 4>As we get into this forest area, I looked down

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<v Speaker 4>and sure enough, here's a hole with a stick in

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<v Speaker 4>I only found this in Missouri, So now I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>a whole nother state, a random area that we decided

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<v Speaker 4>to go look at documental of nowhere finding this hole

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<v Speaker 4>with a stick in it, and I had somebody with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing they had to do with these holes and

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<v Speaker 3>the sticks and me finding them was I'm the guy

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<v Speaker 3>in our group.

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<v Speaker 4>It goes out and looks for tracks and signing these

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<v Speaker 4>things being around. I would typically do that in the

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<v Speaker 4>morning as I get it in the morning, just have

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<v Speaker 4>some coffee, get all.

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<v Speaker 3>Wired out, and then take off right. I go into

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<v Speaker 3>the woods.

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<v Speaker 4>I start out, usually run a perimeter around camp and

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<v Speaker 4>then expand out from there. I never had anybody with

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<v Speaker 4>me when I find these holes. Now I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>Randy take him and showing these holes. But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>mean that I'm not the one doing right. We just

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<v Speaker 4>kept into ourselves. We got through this into this Oklahoma situation.

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<v Speaker 4>We walk in, we find this hole with a stick.

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<v Speaker 5>In it, and I had somebody with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I had my witness right, So.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I feel like I could start to be more

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<v Speaker 4>open about it. Cynthia, this finand woman right there was

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<v Speaker 4>with us. They were with this filming. And as we're

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<v Speaker 4>making notice this hole and the stick, the tracker is

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<v Speaker 4>a local tracker, goes another twenty yards up to another one.

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<v Speaker 4>So now he's found one himself. So now I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I may start talking about this. I've had somebody with me,

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<v Speaker 4>and he went ahead where we hadn't been and found

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<v Speaker 4>one of his own.

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<v Speaker 3>So of course he was five agastic. He's I'm a tracker,

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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't even know to look for these. He

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<v Speaker 3>s there's I've probably walked thry bid these I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Telling how many times and never noticed him because I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know I needed to look for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So now he actively looks for those.

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<v Speaker 4>We got back to Missouri last year before the camp out,

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<v Speaker 4>myself and Mary, who is the one having this sonderance.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's give a round of applause for Mary. While

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<v Speaker 3>we're at thirty year and know, nobody wan to.

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<v Speaker 4>Break out into this and do one of these conferences,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's the first to do it. I've got a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of gratitude for her for making this subject more public.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, thank you hereon back at we get back to Missouri,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the property that we have the camp out on.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and Mary if her husband.

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<v Speaker 4>Went out and the landowner was with us also. We

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<v Speaker 4>went out just the scope out area. She had been

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<v Speaker 4>out there before, so I wanted to show around a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit and we went for a little hike and

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<v Speaker 4>what do we run into?

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<v Speaker 3>Two holes? One of them has a stick in it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're sitting there looking at it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got three more witnesses with me that were there

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<v Speaker 3>and I found these holes.

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<v Speaker 4>And while we're sitting there looking at these holes, we

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<v Speaker 4>get I believe it was two knocks Loud Knocks up

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<v Speaker 4>they built from us.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, we were excited because weeks later we're all

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<v Speaker 3>going to be out the camp. We got us soft

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<v Speaker 3>and ready for that.

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<v Speaker 4>At that point, I felt like I could start talking

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<v Speaker 4>about this a little more, and I did a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of podcasts and I mentioned it as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy right over here, mister Bryan King Sharp I

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned it on his podcast, He mentioned it on another

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<v Speaker 4>wanted his podcasts, and I started to get to people

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<v Speaker 4>that were reaching out to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I had one person from in particular down in Florida

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<v Speaker 3>hit me up and they're like, hey, I've heard about

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<v Speaker 3>these holes that you're finding the sticks.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I found one of those, and they sent

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<v Speaker 4>me a picture and matches what I'm finding here in

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<v Speaker 4>Missouri any day, and I've had seven or eight people

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<v Speaker 4>all from different states reach out to me than are researchers.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that they know to look for them, they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Finding those two.

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<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>After these messages.

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<v Speaker 4>The similarity seems to be that when these holes are

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<v Speaker 4>deemed dun they're also finding smaller tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>So it seems as though that very young ones are

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<v Speaker 3>doing this. We don't know why. Originally I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they were digging for grubs something like that, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>no evidence of that per se, So.

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<v Speaker 4>We started throwing around different ideas and theories of why

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<v Speaker 4>they maybe doing this. Another one of the commonalities when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm finding them is usually I find them the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four hours of a rain. I don't know if they're

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<v Speaker 4>doing that because the ground the software after a rain,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought at first was when it rains and

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<v Speaker 4>it rings harder, wren's typically come up and grubs and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 4>they'll come closer to the surface. So that's why we

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<v Speaker 4>they were digging for worms and gross but we're still

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<v Speaker 4>not seeing any evidence is that. The best thing that

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<v Speaker 4>we've been able to put together is to get bored them.

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<v Speaker 4>Typically we find the Jubi tracks with an adult female.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems as though the younger ones. The adult is

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<v Speaker 4>doing something, stops and is doing something. Maybe the young

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<v Speaker 4>ones are just bored and they just sit down to

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<v Speaker 4>stick starting.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't really know, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's starting to become a little clearer now that this

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<v Speaker 4>is happening, and it's not just here in Missouri or Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's happening and many researchers are starting to find

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<v Speaker 4>them anything. If you're a researcher, keep an eye out

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<v Speaker 4>for that. Keep an eye out for it, because when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm finding these holes, it's on a regular basis, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's usually when we're finding the small tracks sixty seven inches.

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<v Speaker 4>Once the tracks get bigger than that, we could finding

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<v Speaker 4>those holes. Just something to keep an eye out for work.

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<v Speaker 3>So today I am going to show some trackways that

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<v Speaker 3>I have not made public. I've talked about these trackways

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<v Speaker 3>for years, several years.

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<v Speaker 4>If I find into four hundred over time, I've found

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen trackways. Some of these trackways may have can twelve

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen tracks. I've had trackways that had over one hundred tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>If you go back to my table back here, these

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<v Speaker 3>Judy tracks that I have are on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are from one trackway. It's the last trackway that

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<v Speaker 4>I found out there. We used about twenty pounds of

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<v Speaker 4>hyder cow just to cast just those tracks because they're

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<v Speaker 4>so deep.

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<v Speaker 3>The situation is on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Property, there's an area next to this creek, and when

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<v Speaker 4>the water goes down, it exposes these mudflats.

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<v Speaker 3>From what we can tell, when the water drops.

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<v Speaker 4>These things are going out into these mudflats and they're

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<v Speaker 4>collecting muscles. So with the luck of being there at

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<v Speaker 4>the right time and knowing that the water's down, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>able to go in and get these amazing tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Beau Crazy, newt tib Along. I've got some back there.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see the tonatiles on them like they're not

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<v Speaker 4>friend to meat nice, they're gross.

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<v Speaker 3>Myself, I go through real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to show the very first trackway that

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<v Speaker 4>I found because that's in the documentary. It's on the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think most people have seen that, so I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just going to go from the second decent trackway.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of these were taken with my phone, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be super clear. I'll pre warn you

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<v Speaker 3>there maybe some bad words here and there. I crushed

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<v Speaker 3>like a sailor when I'm by myself or with my buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully that don't offend anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>If it does plub your yours, we are not getting

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<v Speaker 4>audio on that, so byway, I just let it play

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<v Speaker 4>through and I'll describe what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 3>So this trackway I was late getting to it.

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<v Speaker 4>It had been there for at least probably a week,

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<v Speaker 4>had a rain. Some of these tracks they can see

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<v Speaker 4>it out here, are from me. Every one of those

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<v Speaker 4>sticks that you see is a track. You see this

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<v Speaker 4>mud flat area here, so the water drops to the

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<v Speaker 4>riot is grabbed. But this whole area in front of

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<v Speaker 4>me at that point now because it's all mud. So

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<v Speaker 4>when the water drops, all this mud is exposed. If

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<v Speaker 4>my time is good, I get out there at the

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<v Speaker 4>direct time. We find these trackways, and sometimes there'll be

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<v Speaker 4>ten tracks, sometimes there will be getneys, and it really varies.

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<v Speaker 4>So this trackway had actually been washed out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll know some of these there a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>The big deep ones you're seeing are mount so don't

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<v Speaker 4>get too excited. Every one of those sticks, I use

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<v Speaker 4>those sticks to mark it off. I'll put them right

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<v Speaker 4>next on the left side of the heel, on the

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<v Speaker 4>left track, and on the right side of the heel

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<v Speaker 4>the right track.

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<v Speaker 3>Also helps me get a visual one. If you're walking

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<v Speaker 3>in a straight line they're walking like this, or.

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<v Speaker 4>If they're neandering back and forth and whatnot, just using

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<v Speaker 4>those sticks gives you a kind of a good representation

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<v Speaker 4>of the actual track that.

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<v Speaker 3>It took to hit it back out of this one

431
00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.279
<v Speaker 3>and when we got to the next one, so like I.

432
00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.119
<v Speaker 4>Said, that was washed out. I was really excited to

433
00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.880
<v Speaker 4>find that even though it was washed out, because I

434
00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.519
<v Speaker 4>had found one in about eight months.

435
00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.920
<v Speaker 3>There at that point. So this was the second really

436
00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.279
<v Speaker 3>good trackway that I found. Once again, it's Judy's we we'd.

437
00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.799
<v Speaker 4>Really focused on the been all tracks versus the adult

438
00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:06.400
<v Speaker 4>tracks just because we were looking at being in having

439
00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.759
<v Speaker 4>an opportunity to start figure and growth rate. That was

440
00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.400
<v Speaker 4>a very important part of the puzzle for us.

441
00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:15.200
<v Speaker 3>We wanted to know how.

442
00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.759
<v Speaker 4>Fast their feet grow compared to humans. I'll say this

443
00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.240
<v Speaker 4>humans typically on average, our feet grow.

444
00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.359
<v Speaker 3>About a half inch a year. We were able to

445
00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.480
<v Speaker 3>cast one particular individual for three years straight.

446
00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.359
<v Speaker 4>We have a second individual that we also casted for

447
00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.839
<v Speaker 4>a few years, but I had the tracks on video basically.

448
00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Five years in a row.

449
00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.599
<v Speaker 4>So we have a growth rate that we're seeing of

450
00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.160
<v Speaker 4>about an inch to an inch and a quarter a year.

451
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.799
<v Speaker 3>That is a way above the human growth rate.

452
00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.279
<v Speaker 4>We're talking a half inch a year for humans and

453
00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.279
<v Speaker 4>an inch to an engine a quarter a year is

454
00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.400
<v Speaker 4>what we were seeing in the seat that we were casting.

455
00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.759
<v Speaker 4>So does that also mean that their growth rate height

456
00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.000
<v Speaker 4>and a weight wise is much faster? All so, right,

457
00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.440
<v Speaker 4>it's an unanswered question, but that's what it leads us

458
00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.920
<v Speaker 4>to start thinking about, is if their feet are growing

459
00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:08.880
<v Speaker 4>that fast, are they.

460
00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Growing that fast? Basically, we've had about five years of these.

461
00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.799
<v Speaker 4>Two particular juveniles and then then they disappeared, which was

462
00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.880
<v Speaker 4>terrible because they were getting closer, they were becoming greater.

463
00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.799
<v Speaker 4>They would come into twenty thirty yards within tween thirty

464
00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:23.599
<v Speaker 4>yards of our camp.

465
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.440
<v Speaker 3>At times we wouldn't have to go searching for them

466
00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:27.200
<v Speaker 3>on the property.

467
00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.200
<v Speaker 4>And when I first started the research out there, I

468
00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.799
<v Speaker 4>would have to hip the guys to different areas to

469
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.039
<v Speaker 4>get these interactions.

470
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.400
<v Speaker 3>They weren't always nice in again, right, a lot of

471
00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:37.119
<v Speaker 3>people when you're.

472
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Having rockstone accur and stuff, a lot of people will pay,

473
00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:41.880
<v Speaker 4>they'll walk away with fear.

474
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:44.839
<v Speaker 3>Right, it seemed not so nice as to get in.

475
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:49.680
<v Speaker 4>But we found very quickly that if you don't react

476
00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.400
<v Speaker 4>to those things, then they'll stop them.

477
00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.400
<v Speaker 3>More things will happen, right.

478
00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Something to think about if you're on the woods and

479
00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:59.759
<v Speaker 4>some crazy things start happening, anything, it has to do

480
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:00.599
<v Speaker 4>with a squatch.

481
00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.599
<v Speaker 3>Don't react. If you get excited, pull your gun or

482
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:06.039
<v Speaker 3>start screaming.

483
00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.480
<v Speaker 4>Into the woods, They're going to recognize immediately you're not

484
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.400
<v Speaker 4>the people that they want to interact with whatsoever.

485
00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.119
<v Speaker 3>So if you're looking for an experience, don't react, just

486
00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.440
<v Speaker 3>let things happen. Stay calm. Things are more likely to

487
00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:23.240
<v Speaker 3>happened not away. So this that particularly trackway.

488
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.519
<v Speaker 4>Could actually went across the gravel area. There was another

489
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.160
<v Speaker 4>set of tracks on the other side.

490
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.400
<v Speaker 3>So the following week I went out. I got so

491
00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.640
<v Speaker 3>excited that this first part of the trackway, I didn't

492
00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:36.359
<v Speaker 3>even realize there was more on the other side of

493
00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:37.160
<v Speaker 3>the gravel area.

494
00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.000
<v Speaker 4>So when I went back out a week later, I

495
00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:42.279
<v Speaker 4>went to the other side of the gravel and I

496
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.359
<v Speaker 4>found these and I was like, oh my gosh, I

497
00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.599
<v Speaker 4>missed the trackway. This is you just discovering that. Kicking

498
00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.880
<v Speaker 4>myself on the bio market all these I actually casted

499
00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:52.400
<v Speaker 4>some of these.

500
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't have these castings with me, but I did

501
00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:58.599
<v Speaker 3>cast some of these tracks. So we moved forward. So

502
00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.039
<v Speaker 3>this particular video there's going to be three sets of

503
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:02.400
<v Speaker 3>tracks in it.

504
00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, so we have two juvenile track, two sets of

505
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 4>juvenile tracks, and then we have the adult female or

506
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 4>what we knew to be the adult female.

507
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:12.039
<v Speaker 6>At this time.

508
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 4>I believe our tracks were just above twelve inches, going

509
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:20.440
<v Speaker 4>on thirteen inches. The young males were about eight inches,

510
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 4>and the young females were arount nine inches nine and

511
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:23.799
<v Speaker 4>a quarter inches.

512
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.559
<v Speaker 3>So these tracks this is one of those times when

513
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.839
<v Speaker 3>they were in a small area.

514
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:31.839
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if there was a lot of muscles there,

515
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:36.559
<v Speaker 4>but they had really walked around this one particular area

516
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 4>and then two of them straight out from there. But

517
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 4>this is the female's tracks to see right there, they're

518
00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.960
<v Speaker 4>just over twelve inches. That one showed almost thirteen. You

519
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:50.559
<v Speaker 4>can't rely on the substrate for accurate measurements. The substrate

520
00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:52.599
<v Speaker 4>is going to react to the foot and depends on

521
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.559
<v Speaker 4>how the pot is pushing off, and they add a

522
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.079
<v Speaker 4>little bit to these tracks, especially in mud, so I

523
00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:01.519
<v Speaker 4>tend to assume they're just a little smaller than what

524
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:02.839
<v Speaker 4>the actual measurement is.

525
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 3>These had actually we've had a light rain before I

526
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:10.240
<v Speaker 3>found these, so some of these are partially washed. We've

527
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.839
<v Speaker 3>got three sets of tracks through all this small area

528
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 3>out there and literally directly ahead as far as the

529
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.400
<v Speaker 3>video is concerned. There's the two juveniles from meander off

530
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 3>and you can see some of these tracks. Here's where

531
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.359
<v Speaker 3>they start to beander out from speak. So I've got

532
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people say to me, how do you

533
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.799
<v Speaker 3>know there's not people out there leaving these tracks?

534
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's this one.

535
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.359
<v Speaker 3>This is private property too.

536
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.400
<v Speaker 4>We've had these tracks show up overnight while we were there,

537
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 4>and our canvas literally fifteen mint yards from this mud

538
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 4>flat area.

539
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 3>We've been out there in the evening running a thermal

540
00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 3>can risk. It blows during the day.

541
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.039
<v Speaker 4>We go to day, wake up the next day, and

542
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.799
<v Speaker 4>go out that morning and there's branding fresh tracks. We're

543
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.880
<v Speaker 4>confident and positive there's not people out there hopes in

544
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.279
<v Speaker 4>this and if there is, there's somebody who has some

545
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 4>big fee because the adult male out there to either

546
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.960
<v Speaker 4>much bigger. At the time that they were running about

547
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 4>fourteen inches, and we watched them grow to sixteen inches.

548
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.160
<v Speaker 3>And these are not public.

549
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.119
<v Speaker 4>Just so you guys know, don't go to my YouTube

550
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 4>channel expecting to see these because you won't.

551
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.839
<v Speaker 3>So here's a trackway that I found in twenty and eighteen.

552
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.759
<v Speaker 3>This trackway was different than all the others I've ever found.

553
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 3>The right foot. As I go through this, you're going

554
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:24.559
<v Speaker 3>to see that the heels are.

555
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 4>In line, but the right foot is copped out to

556
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.359
<v Speaker 4>the right, so the left foot stays straightforward in every

557
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 4>very right step.

558
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.920
<v Speaker 3>In plent's upward. This is the only time I've found

559
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 3>these tracks out there. I've never found them again. I

560
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 3>had at one point thought that this was the same

561
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 3>female and maybe she had injured her foot and was

562
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 3>walking that a way just to alleviate the pain. I

563
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:50.720
<v Speaker 3>can't say that for sure, but as far as the

564
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 3>shape and the toes, they were very similar to the

565
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 3>female tracks that we normally found out of the adult

566
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.799
<v Speaker 3>female tracks. We'll look at this real quick.

567
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 4>At one point, I've got to walk and stick with me,

568
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:03.640
<v Speaker 4>and I put it between the tracks to just show

569
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 4>that the heels are in line. That vile track isn't

570
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.000
<v Speaker 4>obviously fine, that's a foot track. And these had actually

571
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 4>been rained on. Also, these have been left during the week,

572
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 4>and I was out there on a Sunday.

573
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.240
<v Speaker 3>See there's that first right foot into the left, and

574
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.240
<v Speaker 3>then you have that right foot plenty outward.

575
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.880
<v Speaker 4>There it is again, and you have the next track

576
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 4>forward again the right track outward, and you can see

577
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 4>these things are in line, the heels are rooted or

578
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 4>basically a straight line, but the right foot turns out

579
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 4>there every single step.

580
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 3>I believe there was forty two tracks in this trackway,

581
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.079
<v Speaker 3>and every single right foot was pointed out to the

582
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 3>right just like that. So at this point, I'm thinking, Man,

583
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.880
<v Speaker 3>if the female is injured, if I can get on her,

584
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.680
<v Speaker 3>she's not gonna get away from me, and she can't

585
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:51.839
<v Speaker 3>run with a foot messed up or a leg mess up.

586
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 3>So I thought maybe that it slow down and that

587
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 3>would give us an opportunity to get to get a

588
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 3>better visual. Ever, but that actually has never happened. We've

589
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.000
<v Speaker 3>never seen the adult female out of this property. We

590
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 3>have many tracks of hers that have never visually seen her.

591
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>So it's just another minute of niche.

592
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 4>Right, But here's you said that I found in twenty nineteen,

593
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 4>and I believe there was eleven tracks.

594
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 3>And then go into the water. Speaking of the water,

595
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 3>I will say this too. I wasn't able to find the.

596
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.440
<v Speaker 4>Video I've got somewhere on my head seat cart, but

597
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 4>I've also got a video of the adult female in

598
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 4>December in mud, walking.

599
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Out through the mud and into the water. You can

600
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 3>actually see her you can.

601
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 4>Actually see three tracks out into the water. Her stride

602
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 4>doesn't change as she goes into the water. I promise

603
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 4>you there's nobody out there in mid December against twenty.

604
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 3>Five degrees walking into this water.

605
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 4>It's springted also, that's naturally could show these real quick

606
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 4>and then we'll move on to.

607
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 3>One of these tracks in particular. Cut my eye. Everybody's

608
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 3>heard of the mid part will break the mid parcel joint.

609
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 3>That one right there had a slide.

610
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 4>To see the deal when it stepped down, the whole

611
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 4>foot punched forward and slipped forward in the mud. For

612
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 4>this one particular track here kew of these actually show

613
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 4>what we would assume is the mid tarsal joint or

614
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 4>the mid tarsal break, which I'm here it is right here.

615
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 3>See that they ridge in the middle. That really threw

616
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 3>me off when I first walked up to it.

617
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, very track, double step, but I'm a

618
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 4>double step to the very backfoot will step on the

619
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 4>top of the front of the track, and that's not

620
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.920
<v Speaker 4>the case. Here you can see that the hump in

621
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 4>the middle is pushed back and it's over the back

622
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 4>of the track. I went over this, tried to create

623
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 4>this with my foot several times, and my best guess

624
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 4>is it started to release the pressure, bent.

625
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Its foot and then pressure back down and then stepped.

626
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 3>It's the only thing I could come up with, and

627
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 3>that's the only track that was showing that much of

628
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:50.799
<v Speaker 3>a pole in the center of it.

629
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 4>You see this track out of the track into the

630
00:28:53.319 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 4>water and gone. So is that So we're going to

631
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 4>talk about these tracks a little bit.

632
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 3>For years we've heard the mid tarsal break and mid

633
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 3>tarsal joint theory. When this theory is done around, they're

634
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>always using adult tracks.

635
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 4>I'm here to say that Jeff Melgram, we all need

636
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 4>to appreciate him for stepping into this world, out of

637
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 4>his world, into our world, because it's not typically a

638
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 4>good thing for science to step into subjects like this.

639
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 4>So we owe him a lot for even being willing

640
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 4>to look into this. For a long time he considered

641
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 4>these things apes and to him on what was showing

642
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 4>in the adult tracks was a mid tarcel break that

643
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 4>made them an ape. What we've discovered via being able

644
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 4>to cast the same individuals over time several years in

645
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:51.000
<v Speaker 4>a row, we're seeing definite marches in these tracks as

646
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 4>juveniles The hard thing I think for some people is

647
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 4>when you start using the word arch.

648
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 3>That's a humanistic characteristic, right, human characteristic age don't have arches,

649
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 3>they have a mid tarsel break. Our feet are completely different.

650
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>So if these things have arches, what's that mean.

651
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be

652
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>right back after these messages.

653
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 3>When it comes to bipele is to walk.

654
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Up right all the time, you also need there's a

655
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.000
<v Speaker 4>tendon that runs from the hip to the foot, the

656
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 4>hip to the ankle. So now megill Meldam has straight

657
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 4>away from the North American ape or a wood eight,

658
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 4>and now he's saying that these things are most likely

659
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 4>some kind of really common that we've been saying this

660
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:41.839
<v Speaker 4>for a long time because of our tracks. As you

661
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 4>go back and look at our tracks or juvenile tracks,

662
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 4>suppose that juvenile tracks, they're typically gonna show arches and

663
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 4>not just one arch. We're gonna show multiple arches, right,

664
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 4>so we have basically three arches. I have some tracks

665
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 4>that show four possible four the arch next to the

666
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 4>interior your logitudel arge. It's very interesting in it takes

667
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 4>this subject in a different direction depending.

668
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 3>On what we believe. So I personally do not believe

669
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 3>that these things are apes. I just don't.

670
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 4>I've seen too many things that scream homin it for

671
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 4>human and the tracks being the main thing. When Randy

672
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Harrington's first started researching with me, I'd go cast these tracks.

673
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I'd be all humpedy excited. I could just be like, yeah, okay.

674
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 4>Because he wasn't sure a companies, we couldn't say definitively

675
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 4>these are juvenile big foot tracks.

676
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>We didn't have that proof. We'd have seen them out

677
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 3>there visually during the day, daylight hours. We've seen them

678
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 3>on many times through thermal camera.

679
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 4>The killer for Randy was the night that the tracks

680
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 4>were left while we were there, because he knew there

681
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 4>was no way somebody could have gotten down in there

682
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 4>and left those tracks.

683
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Most likely without us a moment. Typically like we always

684
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.759
<v Speaker 3>go back and I find a set of tracks. After

685
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I go through and do my thing with the tracks themselves,

686
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.119
<v Speaker 3>I'll go back and try to figure out where they

687
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 3>came in and where they left.

688
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 4>Right.

689
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 3>It's going to give me not.

690
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 4>Only the possibility finding more tracks, but it's also going

691
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 4>to give me some ideas of patterns of them moving

692
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:15.759
<v Speaker 4>in and out of the property.

693
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Or into certain areas, so that kind of helps me

694
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>know where I need to focus on. Eventually, Randy was convinced,

695
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 3>now we don't even second guess ourselves. We know what's

696
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 3>out there.

697
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 4>We've seen now we know that they're leading these tracks.

698
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 4>And if there's been somebody out there for six years

699
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 4>hoaxing me a power film, right, they've fooled me and

700
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:38.960
<v Speaker 4>they've pooled other people.

701
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Also, it just is what it is.

702
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 4>If you look at mister Kryder's tracks, he also has

703
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 4>some human of tracks and you'll see the same thing

704
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 4>in his tracks, you'll see arges.

705
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if melvilm is really.

706
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Opening up to the idea that these things have arches

707
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 4>or not, but hopefully he is now that he's changed

708
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 4>his course from aid to really hominid.

709
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Like they're really common, they're most likely to have arches.

710
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 3>So it just it is what it is.

711
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 4>Right, we learned that's how science is supposed to work.

712
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 4>You had your starting theories, your starting points, and as

713
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 4>you move forward and collect evidence, sometimes those theories will change.

714
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Right the evidence. You have to follow the evidence, and

715
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 3>this it's been ours. So that's what we followed.

716
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 4>We've just stuck with our evidence, regardless of what other

717
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 4>scientists may say, or other people may find or say.

718
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 3>We stick with our evidence and work off of it

719
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 3>and call it good. A volume for this, I wanted

720
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 3>to play this mainly for the people who are going

721
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 3>to the camp out. Raise your hand if you're going

722
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 3>to the camp out. Okay, So some of you were

723
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 3>there last year, o'patrick was, Kim was so. Last year

724
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>we had a crazy little situation. It was dead. We

725
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 3>were there for four or five days.

726
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 4>It was really quiet the whole time, and the last

727
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 4>night it had this crazy scoring come through. And when

728
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 4>I say crazy, I'm talking like unreal straight wins. Our

729
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.799
<v Speaker 4>camp cooks were over here. They had a big tent

730
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 4>out in the middle.

731
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 3>The kitchen. The tent it got mangled, just destroyed. There

732
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 3>was food all over the place. There was trash stop

733
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.079
<v Speaker 3>in the middle.

734
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 4>During the storm, we were busy holding our tents down

735
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 4>and helping each other out and whatnot, trying to say

736
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 4>what we could.

737
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>We didn't even clean up that night.

738
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 4>We just thought we'll do it in the morning. That

739
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 4>night we had some interesting stuff. Having we had something

740
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 4>went around the whole parameter of our camp we believed

741
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 4>there was something out where the kitchen tent was.

742
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Also there's lots of free food, the trash and stuff

743
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>out there. What I'm going to play here.

744
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Is a video.

745
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Hopefully the sound will work on this. I get up

746
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 4>the next morning, there's already several people out.

747
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 3>This is just a tent over for me, like change,

748
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 3>We need to come look at this. You need to

749
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 3>come through your thing. I think there was something out

750
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 3>here last night.

751
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 4>We had two tints in particular where they were awake

752
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 4>and saw the shadow and heard it. We had a

753
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 4>female and a geep Cherokee between those two tents who

754
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 4>visually saw it behind the second tent, while somebody in

755
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 4>that tent was hearing it awake and hearing it.

756
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 3>So basically at least one came in, went around a

757
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.199
<v Speaker 3>whole perimeter perimeter of the camp, and exitded. So what

758
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna show you is just a little quick video

759
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 3>that I took. This is about maybe an eighth.

760
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Way into the track way that runs around this whole area.

761
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 4>So you're not gonna see any really good tracks per se.

762
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna see some compressions, but what you're gonna see

763
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 4>is a push through that runs all the way around

764
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 4>the camp. You're gonna see areas where you can obviously

765
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 4>you know that a large foot step down. There's a

766
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 4>couple of things I'll explain to you within the tracks

767
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 4>that I know just from my experience, and I well

768
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 4>look at it. Hopefully the sound works definitely running.

769
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Back through this record, I want to pause it here.

770
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 3>So this is running down to south I believe, the

771
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 3>south side of the camp, and we're coming up on

772
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Randy Herring content. The interesting part about this is a

773
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Randy guy up after me.

774
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Randy comes out and gets into the commotion and needs

775
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 4>what's going on, what's going on, and we start explaining

776
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:14.760
<v Speaker 4>to him what happened.

777
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 3>He's, oh, my gosh, somebody came to my tent last night.

778
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 4>He thought it was a particular person coming to get

779
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 4>some books that had gotten wet and like slung out

780
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 4>during the storm, and he had picked him up put

781
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 4>him on his table, so he thought I was that person.

782
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 3>When that person walked up, or what he thought was

783
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>a person walked up, he sat there, listen. He stay

784
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 3>quiet for a second, and then he hears this.

785
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 4>One of these two plastic toads right there with the

786
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 4>yellow tops he hears plastic, right, big cat can moved

787
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 4>a little bit, so he speaks out. I don't remember

788
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 4>exactly what he said.

789
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 3>It was something to the effect of, hey, can I

790
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 3>help you do I need to come out there, and

791
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 3>then got fought. So he just assumed that it was

792
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 3>the person he thought of us, possibly right. He didn't

793
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 3>get up and check or anything. I think he said

794
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>he'd gotten up and peeked out suns it zib a

795
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 3>little bit, peaked out, and there's nobody there. Nobody was

796
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 3>at the campfire anymore. So he just laid back down.

797
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 3>So this is what he thought he was hearing, was

798
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 3>this plastic this toat being actor. He thought it was

799
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 3>somebody was trying to get into one of them, is

800
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 3>what he thought. So now we're going back into the

801
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>tree line. And so it's almost like it got spooked

802
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 3>because as it was coming down up until his tent,

803
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 3>it had been.

804
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 4>Out in the open on me on the inside of

805
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 4>the tree line. At that point it goes back into

806
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 4>the tree line. There's a couple of things back here

807
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 4>that I'll point out.

808
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 2>So right here you.

809
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 3>See this storn bush that the storn bush has bent back. Okay,

810
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 3>so it's atill sign that something walked through there. It

811
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 3>was originally laying out on the trail just like that.

812
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 4>So now you're gonna watch me walk right through it,

813
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 4>and it's gonna go right back into position.

814
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 3>And it's so there's one of my signs that something

815
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>walk through there.

816
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 4>Don't know what yet that something walk through the some

817
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 4>of these areas, like we know for sure, nobody during

818
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 4>the campout had bent back in these spots.

819
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 3>You see a lot of push down right there here.

820
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 4>At the time, there were a a lot more tents

821
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 4>out here, and just to the left where you saw

822
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 4>that tent, there was one on this side of.

823
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 3>It also, So right here you can see some big compressions.

824
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 4>So on this next one, I'll explain a little detail

825
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 4>here at this particular.

826
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Spot, Okay, right there, what I'm doing so I'm showing

827
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 3>this angle. So in that particular spot, it was out

828
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 3>in the open and came out from behind that hate

829
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 3>veil and stepped forward. When I'm doing this, when I'm

830
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 3>showing is when these things step down. Typically they stepped

831
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>straight down. In this particular moment, it had its foot

832
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 3>had slid.

833
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 4>It went down and in at an angle and you

834
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 4>can see that by the compression of the foliage there,

835
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 4>So what that told me.

836
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 3>And the step was directly in front of the other one,

837
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 3>so it didn't take a big step. It bent its knee.

838
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>It's that knee and it is so it was being cautious, right,

839
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 3>which makes sense because it's out and open like it

840
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>took a couple of steps forward to look out see

841
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 3>the situation.

842
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 4>What we think was happening was this one was going

843
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 4>around camp. We think there was another one that was

844
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 4>out gating food, and this one was going around camp

845
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 4>keeping an eye on things. So at this point it

846
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 4>moves on and there's a tent that was it had

847
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 4>already torn down their tent at this point, so the

848
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 4>ten was right there.

849
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 3>One of the ladies that was in that tent is

850
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 3>actually here. She can speak on this. She actually heard

851
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 3>it and listened to it leander behind their tent for

852
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 3>a few moments, and then it went to this scent.

853
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 3>And this is actually Mary's tint, who was sound asleep

854
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 3>with her husband. He was awake. He heard something behind

855
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 3>the tent. And yet that he's saying the exact time

856
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.960
<v Speaker 3>in between those tents was a jew Cherokee lady there

857
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 3>was in that jew Cherokee actually saw it standing there

858
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 3>behind their tent. So it moves on and he's moving

859
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Neander's on down and it gets to this area. It's

860
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 3>a little thicker that had been cut.

861
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.480
<v Speaker 4>I'll show you a few things in this that are

862
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 4>pretty interesting. So you'll start seeing steps and.

863
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Compressions as we start to go through this.

864
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 4>So this thing move came in, It was headed this

865
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 4>direction and then it cut back and turned into this

866
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.079
<v Speaker 4>thicker step is what you're gonna see here momentarily that

867
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to point out, which is right here.

868
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>These two spots, these are pushpoints. It's hard to tell

869
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 3>from the video, but these pushpoints go inward at an

870
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 3>angle right. So you're gonna see me step into that momentarily.

871
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 4>So again we think it was doing the same thing

872
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 4>it had done previously. That it was, you know, hugging

873
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 4>the backside. It comes out, comes forward, step forward into

874
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 4>that stuff, looks out, looks around. There was a vehicle

875
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 4>to the left. To seep back to the left, it

876
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 4>would have had to look around a vehicle, and advantage wise,

877
00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 4>it would have had to.

878
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 3>Have gone out. It had would have had to have

879
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 3>moved forward, so it was.

880
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 4>Super interesting, and we followed this around. Nothing too crazy

881
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 4>to it, but Itneander's down and we've got two quarter

882
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 4>potties down on the opposite.

883
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 3>End of the camp.

884
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 4>There was two ladies and a tin that it went

885
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 4>behind they could passed behind. One of them was awake

886
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 4>and they heard it. And then there's a thump that

887
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 4>three different people heard at one point. From what we've gathered,

888
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 4>that thump was one of the quarter potties. They get

889
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.719
<v Speaker 4>noticed into the quorter potty or get it with his

890
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 4>hand or something that three different people heard that, and

891
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 4>then we believe it moved on out and vacated back.

892
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Up with the dry creek dead.

893
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 4>So those of you that are going out this year

894
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 4>with this, there are things going on the property. A

895
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 4>couple other people have been out there since then. There's

896
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 4>things happening. So maybe we'll get lucky over the next

897
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 4>four days. This one, oh my go ahead to take

898
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 4>questions if anybody got any questions, Yes, sir, well, how

899
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 4>you know between being a built footprint?

900
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, good questions. I had no idea about that. My

901
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 3>first research area when I got into four hundred, it

902
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 3>was a matter of it.

903
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 4>Took me about a year to get a good daytime

904
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 4>afternoon visual of one of the individuals, and it was

905
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 4>about another three months before I got a visual of

906
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 4>the younger. The first set of tracks that I found

907
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.599
<v Speaker 4>out there were the adult female. I had some I

908
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 4>didn't think at that point, didn't realize as the female

909
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 4>when I was making over of the shapes of the tracks,

910
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 4>and of course the dimensions, and the second set of

911
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.920
<v Speaker 4>tracks that I found were nine inch tracks, and the

912
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 4>heel foot was very skinny and the heel was very long.

913
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 4>The third set of tracks that I found were smaller,

914
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.239
<v Speaker 4>They were about eight inches, and the heel was thicker

915
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 4>and wider, and the fall of the.

916
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Foot was really robust, a major difference in the shape.

917
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 4>As we progressed through this situation and I got to

918
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 4>eventually see these two individuals that were leaving these tracks,

919
00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 4>we were able to.

920
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Tell that the skinnier tracks were being left by.

921
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 4>The female and then thicker, more robust tracks were being

922
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 4>left by the young male.

923
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 3>As the feet were growing, some of that changes.

924
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 4>The skinnier heel still stays fairly regulent, and I've got

925
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 4>that in some adult female tracks also that I can

926
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 4>show you from what we've been tell when they're younger.

927
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 3>Especially its dislike in humans.

928
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.519
<v Speaker 4>The women typically have daintier feet, thinner feet, and men

929
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 4>don't have ugly, monstrous to hideous seed right.

930
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 3>As common in humans. So we're seeing the same thing.

931
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Within all these tracks that we've been finding out there.

932
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 4>After I started realizing these things, I had a lot

933
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 4>of tracks from my previous research area, and I went

934
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 4>back and started looking at those videos.

935
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 3>In those pictures, it.

936
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.039
<v Speaker 4>Was actually the same situation was too juveniles. When was

937
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 4>a male one was a female, except this one the

938
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 4>male was bigger out the four hundred that the female

939
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 4>was older or bigger.

940
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I was able to look back at those and in coincided,

941
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 3>So we just round with that.

942
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 4>Now, we can't say one hundred percent for sure until

943
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 4>we see an individual.

944
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Leave a track. We can't six hundercent. But that's our

945
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 3>run and theory is.

946
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 4>That typically, especially in the juveniles, the females will have

947
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 4>a skinnier and more more feminine track than the males will.

948
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, maybe I have any contact with talkt for

949
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Mildred enough for the evidence you.

950
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 5>Can have I have.

951
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 3>I've got two adult tracks back here.

952
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 4>I brought these because I usually pack these with me,

953
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 4>because these are two tracks that Meldrone has looked at.

954
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 3>He was convinced that they're legit.

955
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Not only that, but I personally knew that these two

956
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 4>tracks in particular are from the same individual, but the

957
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 4>heel shape is different, and I know why they're different

958
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 4>because of the substrate. But I didn't tell Melville that.

959
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 4>When I showed him these two tracks. He figured that

960
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 4>on his own he could tell that.

961
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>There was from the same individual, and he asked me

962
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 3>about the substrates, so he was well aware. And I

963
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't even have to tell him what did he think

964
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 3>of the juvenile tracks that you do?

965
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 4>So I started getting juvenile track after that meeting with him.

966
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 4>I send some emails to him, some pictures, nothing crickets.

967
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 4>I get that coming from the scientific world, it's much

968
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 4>easier for him to look at adult tracks because they

969
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.440
<v Speaker 4>flatten out over time. Some of these adult tracks, there's

970
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 4>no possible way to take him in foot.

971
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 3>It's much easier and safer for him.

972
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 4>To look at the adult tracks and ignore the juvenile tracks,

973
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 4>because as a scientist, he can go to his buddies

974
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 4>and say, look at this, isn't this interesting?

975
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Or you're can take a Jubi track and they're going

976
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 3>to go that was pretty much human. So for him,

977
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:34.320
<v Speaker 3>what he's trying to do.

978
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Within the subject that there's no payoff for him and

979
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 4>trying to convince other scientists that these tracks, the juvenile tracks,

980
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.239
<v Speaker 4>are from the Sasquatch of not humans.

981
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 3>There are some details, some differences.

982
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 4>For him, it would be implausible to try to convince

983
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 4>his other scientific minded people or all these people around

984
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 4>him that these juvenile tracks aren't there's no win for

985
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:58.199
<v Speaker 4>him and.

986
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 3>It's not going to help the subject, if not going

987
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 3>to help him within the subject, So he pretty much

988
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 3>just stays clear of him. But I will say, if

989
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 3>you look around, there's.

990
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 4>Pictures of Melbourne holding adult tracks, they clearly have an

991
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 4>interior arch.

992
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Clearly he's holding these up and.

993
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Talking about it mid tarsal break, but there's clearly an

994
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 4>interior arch cars.

995
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Where he's at on that, I don't know. I'd love

996
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 3>to have that discussion.

997
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 4>With him, take his mind on that for sure, especially

998
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 4>now since he's taken a back step and changed what

999
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 4>he's saying and what he thinks about these is initially

1000
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 4>he has a different way with the mid tarsal break theory,

1001
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 4>but he has said that he now believes they're more

1002
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 4>of a really con a versus an eight.

1003
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 3>So we're moving forward. We're all kind of starting to

1004
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 3>cone into the same area, I think.

1005
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll

1006
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 1>be right back after these messages.

1007
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 4>But as far as the juvenile travelers aren't going to

1008
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 4>help them, they'll make things more difficult for him.

1009
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.119
<v Speaker 3>So I totally understand it. At first, I was like,

1010
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 3>why the heck won't you get that I need them

1011
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 3>to look at these so that I know that what

1012
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking is has a little way to here, And.

1013
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I never could get that from him, And it took

1014
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:11.559
<v Speaker 4>me a while to know. I had to step back

1015
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 4>and think about it from his perspective.

1016
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 3>To him, there's no game for him, and there's no

1017
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 3>game for the subject for him to come out and

1018
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 3>say that those are legit tracks. Yes, sir, the shortest

1019
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.199
<v Speaker 3>you've found entity with the Geral ridges. The smallest track

1020
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 3>that I found five and three quarter to.

1021
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Six inches as the smalle as I found. I've actually

1022
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.840
<v Speaker 4>three different occasions I found those. One was in my

1023
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 4>old research area and twice out of the four hundred

1024
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 4>as I'm finding all those holes at the sixth in them.

1025
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 4>On that video, Melon pulls up a little flashlight and

1026
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 4>he showed me grmal ridges on those two adult tracks.

1027
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, absolutely, And.

1028
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 4>If you look at these duty tracks back here, you'll

1029
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 4>see all kinds of crazy grmal ridges and stuff on them.

1030
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 4>Hit you look life shining an down load, and you'll

1031
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 4>start seeing stuff anybody else?

1032
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 7>Yes, man, if you could up putting out a second

1033
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 7>thinking about the absolutely not absolutely not.

1034
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.599
<v Speaker 3>There's too much work and too much headache that goes

1035
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 3>along with it.

1036
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't have to get it now because we've got

1037
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 4>these beautiful ladies following us around.

1038
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 3>They've been with us, are going on three years now,

1039
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.519
<v Speaker 3>so they're keeping track of what we're doing and putting

1040
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 3>up with us as much as they can. Yeah, I'm

1041
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 3>not doing anything else like that. They're gonna tell our

1042
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 3>story for a while. After that, I'll probably get out

1043
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 3>and we'll never see me again.

1044
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.400
<v Speaker 4>I'll probably go not public and just dive into this

1045
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 4>for myself versus trying to make it more public and

1046
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 4>prove these.

1047
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Things are real.

1048
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 3>That is anybody, Yes, how are yours?

1049
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 4>You stood? They're all about to say size and even

1050
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 4>once other people are talking about in different states.

1051
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Are the sticks the same size? I want to know

1052
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:55.840
<v Speaker 3>what's it looks for now? And are they usually in

1053
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the hole? Why do you think they're in the hole?

1054
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 3>So they're not always the same depth and size.

1055
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 4>That's just kind of an average per se.

1056
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll pull a couple of these up real quick. Actually,

1057
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 3>typically as far as the size of the sticks, it varies.

1058
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes they'll be six seven inches long. We've had them

1059
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 4>where they're like a foot long. I mean, they got

1060
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.440
<v Speaker 4>to be big enough and strong enough to dig with,

1061
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 4>so they're not going to.

1062
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Be too small. But it's not that large. Typically the

1063
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 3>stick's not gonna be any bigger than that.

1064
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you're correct, and it's a very young

1065
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 4>one's doing this, it makes sense that they're gonna grab.

1066
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 3>A smaller stick too. They're not gonna grab something this

1067
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 3>giant really go at it.

1068
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 4>That's why we think that it's something they're doing just

1069
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 4>to past time while the adults are busy doing something.

1070
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like it's just real random. They just sit down,

1071
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 3>grab stick, start digging, and their mom's let's go and

1072
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:50.000
<v Speaker 3>stick it in and go.

1073
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 8>I wonder if it's something like you know, you hear

1074
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 8>stories about some people going along and all of a

1075
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.119
<v Speaker 8>sudden they'll find a tree upwounded and shut out the

1076
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 8>ground the top down with the roots sticking the help.

1077
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:07.440
<v Speaker 8>Maybe it's the little one's practicing for that the good possible,

1078
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 8>just because what it does seem significant that many times

1079
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 8>the stick is in the hole.

1080
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:14.599
<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be a reason for that.

1081
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I would saying the kids are playing arounds a

1082
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 8>board because mom'still or whatever digging around. The natural thing

1083
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 8>would just be to draw the stick them all away,

1084
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 8>But why stick.

1085
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 4>It in the hole.

1086
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Here's one This is actually right next to our camp.

1087
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 3>We've had to nick down. We had to camp there

1088
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 3>at five a.

1089
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 4>Month and a half two months and I went down

1090
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 4>to check out camp and this is literally only trail.

1091
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Next our camp.

1092
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 8>Human kids to imitate adult behavior, why wouldn't they perhaps

1093
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:43.320
<v Speaker 8>imitate the.

1094
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Adult pare the know a lot of things have hunt

1095
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 3>how to do whatever.

1096
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.119
<v Speaker 8>Maybe it's something related to what adults do when they're

1097
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 8>imitating behavior or something.

1098
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's very lost a lot. Yeah, that's very possible,

1099
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's a reasonable thought for sure.

1100
00:50:59.599 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It could.

1101
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:03.800
<v Speaker 3>This is what we the truth versus what we're thinking

1102
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 3>about it. We just don't know.

1103
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 4>There's no evidence that really points anything for sure, so

1104
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 4>we're just keep it open about it, of.

1105
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 3>Course, but like right now, we're not not finding those anymore.

1106
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 3>This was in October twenty two.

1107
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 4>It was the last was when I was finding them

1108
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot and we just found six inch tracks. It

1109
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:29.000
<v Speaker 4>was probably, I think the last one I found, probably I.

1110
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Believe this is twenty two right here. This is another

1111
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 3>one twenty two.

1112
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 4>I found one in twenty three about five hundred yards

1113
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 4>from our camp. We're all based camp, and that's the

1114
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 4>last one I found. And this seemed to be the

1115
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.239
<v Speaker 4>way to once they It's almost as if once they

1116
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 4>could hit a certain age, they just quipped the quick

1117
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 4>do it?

1118
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Why? I don't know, Like literally, we have no idea.

1119
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 4>All I know is that we're finding them when we're

1120
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 4>finding small tracks. Now that we've put that out, other

1121
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 4>people are finding them too.

1122
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 8>So if you're only finding just one in an area,

1123
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 8>finding multiple ones in a smaller or.

1124
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 4>The last ones that we found rain he was actually

1125
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 4>with me and we were up in the Bay Station,

1126
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.719
<v Speaker 4>the area that where we have a flows base station

1127
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 4>set up and there's a fence line forty feet from

1128
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 4>our base station. I believe that they're crossing stepping over

1129
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 4>the fence line for several years, and we found a

1130
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 4>track on our side of the fence line.

1131
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I say our side is the base station side. It's

1132
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 3>still on our property.

1133
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:33.320
<v Speaker 4>And then there were five holes actually, and one of

1134
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 4>the holes had to stick in is still but that's.

1135
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 3>The only time I found multiple holes. There was five of.

1136
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 4>Them, and this dirt in particular was re loose. I

1137
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.880
<v Speaker 4>don't know if they had something to do with it

1138
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 4>digging in.

1139
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 3>That's a decade indicated there looking for flogs. Possibly.

1140
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 4>I still say that it's a good Bible option gigging

1141
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.960
<v Speaker 4>grubs or worms.

1142
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Because of the rain, it's always after a ring. But

1143
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.960
<v Speaker 3>one thing for sure, the stick is either a tool

1144
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 3>or as a toy, right, I see it as a tool.

1145
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not beyond using tools. I've left knives out with

1146
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 3>the hopes of finding things of the forests are the

1147
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 3>cuts I haven't.

1148
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 4>I've left knives at my bay station and they disappeared

1149
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 4>me personally, I think they used tools.

1150
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't they used to Why wouldn't these things?

1151
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 4>I consider these things smarter than us when it comes

1152
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 4>to their environment compared to them.

1153
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.119
<v Speaker 3>We're we're stupid when we're in the foor.

1154
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 8>They are.

1155
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 3>They are the forest hinges. Thanks, what are your focks

1156
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 3>and opinions on the dog man phenomenon? And would you

1157
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 3>ever investigate that, let's say darker sitles.

1158
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 4>You know, and if I had a dog man experience,

1159
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't want the dog man experience.

1160
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't think about dog man when I'm in the woods.

1161
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 9>This is experienced experience, the one I pulled you. So

1162
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 9>this was early on in my first research area. I

1163
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 9>was in my first research area.

1164
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 3>This is early on. This is this was in two

1165
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 3>in thirteen. I walked in this area. There's this huge

1166
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 3>brush clouds. I saw a movement, so I crept in

1167
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 3>on it.

1168
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 4>And this is the only time I've seen, being honest asquatch,

1169
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.840
<v Speaker 4>this thing with maybe two foot tall.

1170
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 3>And it was in the edge of the brush. I

1171
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 3>took a picture. I took two pictures.

1172
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.199
<v Speaker 4>As I took a second one, it was backing into

1173
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 4>the brush and I'm just sitting here thinking, oh my gosh,

1174
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't believe I just saw that.

1175
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 3>And then I hear a knockoff on my right.

1176
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 4>So I looked down into this valley and I start

1177
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 4>scanning and I scanned back, and as I'm scanning back across,

1178
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 4>I see this.

1179
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:35.800
<v Speaker 3>The only thing I can explain it. It looked like

1180
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.039
<v Speaker 3>a dog, looked like a not like a wolf.

1181
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 4>It had a short snout. This head was next to

1182
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.800
<v Speaker 4>a tree. The foliage was four and a half to

1183
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 4>five foot tall, and this head.

1184
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Was above it. It was just a black head. It

1185
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 3>had ears and a snout. All I could see was

1186
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 3>the head.

1187
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 4>It was probably fifty yards away from me, so usually

1188
00:54:58.760 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure what I was looking at.

1189
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 3>It could have been a black.

1190
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 4>Coyo that having snow shut off, or I don't know

1191
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 4>what it was. All I know is that this thing

1192
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 4>had ears and had a snout. All I could see

1193
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:15.239
<v Speaker 4>was the head. It spooed me, and I left.

1194
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 3>At that point.

1195
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 4>It's the only time I've really been spoot doing this

1196
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.320
<v Speaker 4>because I didn't know what I was seeing.

1197
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't see it moved per se, so it may

1198
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 3>not even have been something that was alive. All I

1199
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 3>know is what I saw spoof me. I wasn't sure

1200
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:30.639
<v Speaker 3>what I was looking at. It wasn't what I was

1201
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:33.119
<v Speaker 3>out there to look for, so I backed the hell

1202
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 3>out and watched.

1203
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 4>My back all the way out, and I had an

1204
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 4>hour and a half hike out all the way on

1205
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.159
<v Speaker 4>paranoid to watch on my back. The only other time

1206
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 4>I felt like that was when I found Cuba tracks.

1207
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.280
<v Speaker 4>So thanks Luke your camp.

1208
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 3>It would be the next words. Remember that all right,

1209
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 3>A good deal, Thank you guys.

1210
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.199
<v Speaker 6>They say you don't got to go, but you can't stay,

1211
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.559
<v Speaker 6>and I don't want to feel a.

1212
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:08.679
<v Speaker 3>World open.

1213
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 10>Inside Stasie.

1214
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.639
<v Speaker 7>Chart this chart, that chart everything calling right back, ride

1215
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 7>back joy for me, enjoy staying right there, come.

1216
00:56:43.679 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 10>In right away. Still things stars, sass ss.

1217
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:51.519
<v Speaker 5>St st st still stas still steps us sets

1218
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 10>Us ness
