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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence.
Speaker 1: Sat.
Speaker 2: Are you reporting we got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 2: around out here? Did you see what it was? It
Speaker 2: was enough out here. Look, come new to Onedow now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the boddy out here when I'm out there. I
Speaker 2: thought of a bet of about set nine. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Easy him out there. Yeah, I'm walking right away.
Speaker 1: He there, and thanks so much for joining me for
Speaker 1: this midweek bonus episode of the show. I decided to
Speaker 1: bring you part two of the audio I brought back
Speaker 1: from the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot conference out in Missouri a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. What you were about to hear
Speaker 1: is the presentation given by Shane Carpenter there at the conference.
Speaker 1: I think you're really going to enjoy him breaking down
Speaker 1: some of the trackways that he's found and some of
Speaker 1: the more interesting things that they found out at the
Speaker 1: four hundred and some of his other research areas. You
Speaker 1: may remember that Shane actually talked about some of these
Speaker 1: things when he was on the show last year. All
Speaker 1: this left for you to do is sit back, relax,
Speaker 1: and enjoy the show.
Speaker 3: At that point, I had to tell my wife that
Speaker 3: I've just seen Bigfoot, says Watch and only that. I
Speaker 3: had to tell her that, and when I was ten,
Speaker 3: I had never told her that. So I had two
Speaker 3: confessions to make at that point. Luckily enough for me,
Speaker 3: my wife believed me. She didn't want to go back
Speaker 3: out to that place anymore. She wasn't too excited about
Speaker 3: hiking at all.
Speaker 4: After that, and she hadn't seen anything, but she believed
Speaker 4: me enough to know that I.
Speaker 3: At least thought I was talking the truth. That was
Speaker 3: July first, July second, at five thirty.
Speaker 4: Am, I was back out there. For me, it was
Speaker 4: more than anything I wanted to go face my fear
Speaker 4: because I had this traumatic thing that happened to me
Speaker 4: when I was ten. I didn't really look at it
Speaker 4: that way up to that point. I wanted to go
Speaker 4: back out face my fears and not so much sad,
Speaker 4: but I felt like this has happened to me twice.
Speaker 4: If something bad was going to happen, it should have
Speaker 4: already happened, or probably would have. I was there at
Speaker 4: five thirty the next morning, and over the next month,
Speaker 4: it was just absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3: I was the experience of things that I did not
Speaker 3: the experience.
Speaker 4: I was finding things I didn't expect to find, and
Speaker 4: it led me on this journey this twenty thirteen. Here
Speaker 4: we are in twenty twenty four, and I'm still as
Speaker 4: obsessed as I've ever.
Speaker 3: Been in this stuff. Okay, typically I see two kinds
Speaker 3: of people when they have sightings. They either want.
Speaker 4: Nothing to do with this, or they've dived head first
Speaker 4: and become somewhat obsessed for a little while.
Speaker 3: Just if you want answers, you.
Speaker 4: Want to know what you experienced, You want to know
Speaker 4: that you're not crazy. Right, I think I'm up sound line.
Speaker 4: You guys can do your own judges.
Speaker 3: I I'm really hard there for.
Speaker 4: About three years with the idea of I got to
Speaker 4: a point I wanted to prove to people that these
Speaker 4: things were real. I didn't feel like I could talk
Speaker 4: about it openly without being able to say, hey, look
Speaker 4: at to see I told.
Speaker 3: You where it is right of Corsepones in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Didn't take great pictures or a great video when I
Speaker 3: would catch them.
Speaker 4: I would take these pictures. They were always from a distance,
Speaker 4: so they were never clear. They're always fuzzy. So I
Speaker 4: didn't feel like I could show people these things and
Speaker 4: have them look at me and say, okay, this guy's
Speaker 4: I decided to take somebody out with the event. And
Speaker 4: I am m and a coach, ex professional fighter. At
Speaker 4: this point in my life, I had retired from fighting
Speaker 4: and was full time training fighters, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 4: what better person to take with me than one of
Speaker 4: my fighters. And I had one that was as military man,
Speaker 4: this is working Canadate, he's brave, he's gonna go out there.
Speaker 4: And it was with me, we're gonna see these things,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna have a partner that will go out
Speaker 4: and do this with me, so I don't have to
Speaker 4: do this by myself. All the time I took him out,
Speaker 4: he got to hear them you got to see traps,
Speaker 4: and then he got to see one from twenty five
Speaker 4: to thirty feet away.
Speaker 3: His reaction was not what I expected.
Speaker 4: He went into full pan code like anxiety attack, eyes watering,
Speaker 4: like I had a hard time breathing, felt like he
Speaker 4: was gonna cut.
Speaker 3: He turned ghost white.
Speaker 4: I literally after that, I had to hike him out immediately.
Speaker 4: He didn't want to be there in those woods anymore.
Speaker 4: I started searching for other people to do this with
Speaker 4: in that picular situation, because I wanted so badly for
Speaker 4: somebody else to see these things so that I could
Speaker 4: openly talk.
Speaker 3: About it and i'd have somebody that could batten me up.
Speaker 3: That day, he had chased that.
Speaker 4: Particular one, and from that point forward things went downhill.
Speaker 4: But up until that point it was was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: I was having all these just wild experiences by myself.
Speaker 4: Eventually brought my oldest son into the picture. He had
Speaker 4: got to see them three times before that whole situation dissolved.
Speaker 3: He openly talks about it nowadays. He's twenty years old.
Speaker 4: This was all happening when he was in his mid teens,
Speaker 4: and for a while he wouldn't openly talk about it.
Speaker 3: Now he's like me, he doesn't care if he'll speak
Speaker 3: his truth, and you know it, he's okay with that.
Speaker 3: He got the witness.
Speaker 4: I took two other people out, but eventually got to
Speaker 4: witness them, and then that whole situation dissolved. It was
Speaker 4: about a year later I got pulled into a situation.
Speaker 4: The property owner thought that he had people out on
Speaker 4: his property running deer at night illegally. He was finding
Speaker 4: the ruptures all over his property and seeing figures occasionally,
Speaker 4: so he started.
Speaker 3: Destroying all these little structures and whatnot.
Speaker 4: They saw a figure one night, and we're actually at
Speaker 4: a slingshot, we're shooting.
Speaker 3: He still heads at him at this figure that was
Speaker 3: out in the woods. Of course, they were on a hill.
Speaker 3: It was down the valley.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they weren't booking to getting close, and they
Speaker 4: thought that they were running people off their property.
Speaker 3: Eventually the happening smoothed towards his cabin.
Speaker 4: He started having rocks thrown around his cabin, and I
Speaker 4: would get the off front.
Speaker 3: Of barbecue and rocks would fly over the back of
Speaker 3: the cabin and land in the yard with other people there.
Speaker 3: So he wasn't the only one experiencing this stuff.
Speaker 4: This went on for a while and an old friend
Speaker 4: of mine contacted me. I had talked him in twenty years.
Speaker 3: He said, Hey, I saw you on a website. You're
Speaker 3: in the Bigfoot. I have a place I need to
Speaker 3: take you. When can you go? I said, how about
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning? Next morning, I was out on this for
Speaker 3: a new property where all this stuff was happening.
Speaker 4: We spent about eight hours hiking through this four hundred
Speaker 4: acre property, and.
Speaker 3: About six hours into it, I caught him followed us.
Speaker 3: So my first day out there. He had never seen
Speaker 3: him out there, so it was the first.
Speaker 4: Time he had got to see them too, and hiding
Speaker 4: behind a rock at prop that we had passed, and
Speaker 4: all all we really got to see was its head
Speaker 4: poking out.
Speaker 3: Because it was my first time out.
Speaker 4: There, I didn't want to create any habit, so we
Speaker 4: just kept going, watching our backs occasionally.
Speaker 3: That turned into six years of research now on this property.
Speaker 3: I'm still researching there. I brought in a guy bought
Speaker 3: a name of Randy Hearing Kim it's a great research room.
Speaker 3: Brought him into this and the very first time I
Speaker 3: brought people into this property.
Speaker 4: Normally, when you bring people into a situation like this,
Speaker 4: things flat lined and that's not what happened. Everything ramped up,
Speaker 4: which was unexpected. Rainy became like the commonplace because started
Speaker 4: coming out of researching this property with me.
Speaker 3: My thing is tracking. I'm out a lot looking down
Speaker 3: and scanning what.
Speaker 4: I like to do.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed doing it. Just so happens there's an area
Speaker 3: on this property that is pristine for tracks. First time
Speaker 3: I found on tracks was the very first time I
Speaker 3: brought these guys into research with me. Ended up just
Speaker 3: narrowing it down to me and Randy. So we found
Speaker 3: this first track way out there, and it was there
Speaker 3: were human sized tracks.
Speaker 4: Our inclination was at lease may or may not be
Speaker 4: hard to say, and at the time I wasn't really
Speaker 4: proficient on these types of tracks.
Speaker 3: I really doped into human tracking. I've got a couple buddies.
Speaker 4: That one in particular that was the ex military tracker.
Speaker 4: Ended up doing some things with him.
Speaker 3: Occasion, learned some things from him on the human tracking side.
Speaker 4: Put my two skill sets together, started finding a lot
Speaker 4: more stuff, things that I didn't even realize I should
Speaker 4: be looking for. One of these things, in particular, I'll
Speaker 4: go into this real quick, just because this is a
Speaker 4: newer thing.
Speaker 3: Early on, me and Randy decided that we were just
Speaker 3: going to follow our evidence evidence on team, so we
Speaker 3: weren't going to watch other people's videos. At least me,
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna watch other.
Speaker 4: People's videos and maybe their evidence in the consideration of
Speaker 4: things I should be finding in the four hundreds.
Speaker 3: That was our kind of first rule of them, Right,
Speaker 3: We're going to create our.
Speaker 4: Ideology off of the evidence that we find, and then
Speaker 4: only we boused. Okay, with that being said, we've started
Speaker 4: finding some things that we had hadn't heard of anybody
Speaker 4: else finding. One of them, in particular, was I started
Speaker 4: finding these holes, and these holes would only be four
Speaker 4: or five six inches around, They maybe four or five
Speaker 4: six inches deep, but they would be dug out with
Speaker 4: the stick, and the stick would still be in the hole,
Speaker 4: and the end of the stick would be mud or
Speaker 4: dirt cover, which you could easily tell it been used
Speaker 4: to dig the hole.
Speaker 3: At times it would be like jabbing into the hole
Speaker 3: sticking straight up.
Speaker 4: I kept that to myself for a long time, just
Speaker 4: because one, there's no evidence, what did they need to
Speaker 4: absolutely none, So we can't say two I hadn't heard.
Speaker 3: Anybody else ever talk about finding these holes with sticks
Speaker 3: in them.
Speaker 4: The only correlation I had with this at the time
Speaker 4: was we started finding six inch tracks. They were far
Speaker 4: and few between, but it was the only thing that
Speaker 4: I could possibly relate to these holes.
Speaker 3: So we got that to ourselves.
Speaker 4: And about a year and a half ago, maybe two
Speaker 4: years ago, me and Randy went to Oklahoma on a
Speaker 4: trip and we got into a forest area on a
Speaker 4: creed and I had another tracker with me.
Speaker 3: Randy was back.
Speaker 4: Where we had parked and he had the drone out
Speaker 4: and was scanning ahead of us with a thermal drone.
Speaker 3: I had a local tracker with me who was also
Speaker 3: into the subject.
Speaker 4: As we get into this forest area, I looked down
Speaker 4: and sure enough, here's a hole with a stick in
Speaker 4: I only found this in Missouri, So now I'm in
Speaker 4: a whole nother state, a random area that we decided
Speaker 4: to go look at documental of nowhere finding this hole
Speaker 4: with a stick in it, and I had somebody with me.
Speaker 3: Another thing they had to do with these holes and
Speaker 3: the sticks and me finding them was I'm the guy
Speaker 3: in our group.
Speaker 4: It goes out and looks for tracks and signing these
Speaker 4: things being around. I would typically do that in the
Speaker 4: morning as I get it in the morning, just have
Speaker 4: some coffee, get all.
Speaker 3: Wired out, and then take off right. I go into
Speaker 3: the woods.
Speaker 4: I start out, usually run a perimeter around camp and
Speaker 4: then expand out from there. I never had anybody with
Speaker 4: me when I find these holes. Now I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: Randy take him and showing these holes. But that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that I'm not the one doing right. We just
Speaker 4: kept into ourselves. We got through this into this Oklahoma situation.
Speaker 4: We walk in, we find this hole with a stick.
Speaker 5: In it, and I had somebody with me.
Speaker 3: I had my witness right, So.
Speaker 4: Now I feel like I could start to be more
Speaker 4: open about it. Cynthia, this finand woman right there was
Speaker 4: with us. They were with this filming. And as we're
Speaker 4: making notice this hole and the stick, the tracker is
Speaker 4: a local tracker, goes another twenty yards up to another one.
Speaker 4: So now he's found one himself. So now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I may start talking about this. I've had somebody with me,
Speaker 4: and he went ahead where we hadn't been and found
Speaker 4: one of his own.
Speaker 3: So of course he was five agastic. He's I'm a tracker,
Speaker 3: and I didn't even know to look for these. He
Speaker 3: s there's I've probably walked thry bid these I'm.
Speaker 4: Telling how many times and never noticed him because I
Speaker 4: didn't know I needed to look for it.
Speaker 3: So now he actively looks for those.
Speaker 4: We got back to Missouri last year before the camp out,
Speaker 4: myself and Mary, who is the one having this sonderance.
Speaker 3: So let's give a round of applause for Mary. While
Speaker 3: we're at thirty year and know, nobody wan to.
Speaker 4: Break out into this and do one of these conferences,
Speaker 4: and she's the first to do it. I've got a
Speaker 4: lot of gratitude for her for making this subject more public.
Speaker 3: Here, thank you hereon back at we get back to Missouri,
Speaker 3: we have the property that we have the camp out on.
Speaker 3: Me and Mary if her husband.
Speaker 4: Went out and the landowner was with us also. We
Speaker 4: went out just the scope out area. She had been
Speaker 4: out there before, so I wanted to show around a
Speaker 4: little bit and we went for a little hike and
Speaker 4: what do we run into?
Speaker 3: Two holes? One of them has a stick in it.
Speaker 3: So we're sitting there looking at it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I've got three more witnesses with me that were there
Speaker 3: and I found these holes.
Speaker 4: And while we're sitting there looking at these holes, we
Speaker 4: get I believe it was two knocks Loud Knocks up
Speaker 4: they built from us.
Speaker 3: Of course, we were excited because weeks later we're all
Speaker 3: going to be out the camp. We got us soft
Speaker 3: and ready for that.
Speaker 4: At that point, I felt like I could start talking
Speaker 4: about this a little more, and I did a couple
Speaker 4: of podcasts and I mentioned it as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: this guy right over here, mister Bryan King Sharp I
Speaker 4: mentioned it on his podcast, He mentioned it on another
Speaker 4: wanted his podcasts, and I started to get to people
Speaker 4: that were reaching out to me.
Speaker 3: I had one person from in particular down in Florida
Speaker 3: hit me up and they're like, hey, I've heard about
Speaker 3: these holes that you're finding the sticks.
Speaker 4: I think I found one of those, and they sent
Speaker 4: me a picture and matches what I'm finding here in
Speaker 4: Missouri any day, and I've had seven or eight people
Speaker 4: all from different states reach out to me than are researchers.
Speaker 4: Now that they know to look for them, they're.
Speaker 3: Finding those two.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: After these messages.
Speaker 4: The similarity seems to be that when these holes are
Speaker 4: deemed dun they're also finding smaller tracks.
Speaker 3: So it seems as though that very young ones are
Speaker 3: doing this. We don't know why. Originally I thought maybe
Speaker 3: they were digging for grubs something like that, but there's
Speaker 3: no evidence of that per se, So.
Speaker 4: We started throwing around different ideas and theories of why
Speaker 4: they maybe doing this. Another one of the commonalities when
Speaker 4: I'm finding them is usually I find them the twenty
Speaker 4: four hours of a rain. I don't know if they're
Speaker 4: doing that because the ground the software after a rain,
Speaker 4: and I thought at first was when it rains and
Speaker 4: it rings harder, wren's typically come up and grubs and whatnot,
Speaker 4: they'll come closer to the surface. So that's why we
Speaker 4: they were digging for worms and gross but we're still
Speaker 4: not seeing any evidence is that. The best thing that
Speaker 4: we've been able to put together is to get bored them.
Speaker 4: Typically we find the Jubi tracks with an adult female.
Speaker 4: It seems as though the younger ones. The adult is
Speaker 4: doing something, stops and is doing something. Maybe the young
Speaker 4: ones are just bored and they just sit down to
Speaker 4: stick starting.
Speaker 3: We don't really know, but.
Speaker 4: It's starting to become a little clearer now that this
Speaker 4: is happening, and it's not just here in Missouri or Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: It's it's happening and many researchers are starting to find
Speaker 4: them anything. If you're a researcher, keep an eye out
Speaker 4: for that. Keep an eye out for it, because when
Speaker 4: I'm finding these holes, it's on a regular basis, and
Speaker 4: it's usually when we're finding the small tracks sixty seven inches.
Speaker 4: Once the tracks get bigger than that, we could finding
Speaker 4: those holes. Just something to keep an eye out for work.
Speaker 3: So today I am going to show some trackways that
Speaker 3: I have not made public. I've talked about these trackways
Speaker 3: for years, several years.
Speaker 4: If I find into four hundred over time, I've found
Speaker 4: fourteen trackways. Some of these trackways may have can twelve
Speaker 4: fifteen tracks. I've had trackways that had over one hundred tracks.
Speaker 3: If you go back to my table back here, these
Speaker 3: Judy tracks that I have are on the table.
Speaker 4: Those are from one trackway. It's the last trackway that
Speaker 4: I found out there. We used about twenty pounds of
Speaker 4: hyder cow just to cast just those tracks because they're
Speaker 4: so deep.
Speaker 3: The situation is on this.
Speaker 4: Property, there's an area next to this creek, and when
Speaker 4: the water goes down, it exposes these mudflats.
Speaker 3: From what we can tell, when the water drops.
Speaker 4: These things are going out into these mudflats and they're
Speaker 4: collecting muscles. So with the luck of being there at
Speaker 4: the right time and knowing that the water's down, I'm
Speaker 4: able to go in and get these amazing tracks.
Speaker 3: Beau Crazy, newt tib Along. I've got some back there.
Speaker 4: You can see the tonatiles on them like they're not
Speaker 4: friend to meat nice, they're gross.
Speaker 3: Myself, I go through real quick.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to show the very first trackway that
Speaker 4: I found because that's in the documentary. It's on the internet,
Speaker 4: and I think most people have seen that, so I'm
Speaker 4: just going to go from the second decent trackway.
Speaker 3: Some of these were taken with my phone, so they're
Speaker 3: not going to be super clear. I'll pre warn you
Speaker 3: there maybe some bad words here and there. I crushed
Speaker 3: like a sailor when I'm by myself or with my buddy.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that don't offend anybody.
Speaker 4: If it does plub your yours, we are not getting
Speaker 4: audio on that, so byway, I just let it play
Speaker 4: through and I'll describe what's happening here.
Speaker 3: So this trackway I was late getting to it.
Speaker 4: It had been there for at least probably a week,
Speaker 4: had a rain. Some of these tracks they can see
Speaker 4: it out here, are from me. Every one of those
Speaker 4: sticks that you see is a track. You see this
Speaker 4: mud flat area here, so the water drops to the
Speaker 4: riot is grabbed. But this whole area in front of
Speaker 4: me at that point now because it's all mud. So
Speaker 4: when the water drops, all this mud is exposed. If
Speaker 4: my time is good, I get out there at the
Speaker 4: direct time. We find these trackways, and sometimes there'll be
Speaker 4: ten tracks, sometimes there will be getneys, and it really varies.
Speaker 4: So this trackway had actually been washed out.
Speaker 3: I'll know some of these there a minute.
Speaker 4: The big deep ones you're seeing are mount so don't
Speaker 4: get too excited. Every one of those sticks, I use
Speaker 4: those sticks to mark it off. I'll put them right
Speaker 4: next on the left side of the heel, on the
Speaker 4: left track, and on the right side of the heel
Speaker 4: the right track.
Speaker 3: Also helps me get a visual one. If you're walking
Speaker 3: in a straight line they're walking like this, or.
Speaker 4: If they're neandering back and forth and whatnot, just using
Speaker 4: those sticks gives you a kind of a good representation
Speaker 4: of the actual track that.
Speaker 3: It took to hit it back out of this one
Speaker 3: and when we got to the next one, so like I.
Speaker 4: Said, that was washed out. I was really excited to
Speaker 4: find that even though it was washed out, because I
Speaker 4: had found one in about eight months.
Speaker 3: There at that point. So this was the second really
Speaker 3: good trackway that I found. Once again, it's Judy's we we'd.
Speaker 4: Really focused on the been all tracks versus the adult
Speaker 4: tracks just because we were looking at being in having
Speaker 4: an opportunity to start figure and growth rate. That was
Speaker 4: a very important part of the puzzle for us.
Speaker 3: We wanted to know how.
Speaker 4: Fast their feet grow compared to humans. I'll say this
Speaker 4: humans typically on average, our feet grow.
Speaker 3: About a half inch a year. We were able to
Speaker 3: cast one particular individual for three years straight.
Speaker 4: We have a second individual that we also casted for
Speaker 4: a few years, but I had the tracks on video basically.
Speaker 3: Five years in a row.
Speaker 4: So we have a growth rate that we're seeing of
Speaker 4: about an inch to an inch and a quarter a year.
Speaker 3: That is a way above the human growth rate.
Speaker 4: We're talking a half inch a year for humans and
Speaker 4: an inch to an engine a quarter a year is
Speaker 4: what we were seeing in the seat that we were casting.
Speaker 4: So does that also mean that their growth rate height
Speaker 4: and a weight wise is much faster? All so, right,
Speaker 4: it's an unanswered question, but that's what it leads us
Speaker 4: to start thinking about, is if their feet are growing
Speaker 4: that fast, are they.
Speaker 3: Growing that fast? Basically, we've had about five years of these.
Speaker 4: Two particular juveniles and then then they disappeared, which was
Speaker 4: terrible because they were getting closer, they were becoming greater.
Speaker 4: They would come into twenty thirty yards within tween thirty
Speaker 4: yards of our camp.
Speaker 3: At times we wouldn't have to go searching for them
Speaker 3: on the property.
Speaker 4: And when I first started the research out there, I
Speaker 4: would have to hip the guys to different areas to
Speaker 4: get these interactions.
Speaker 3: They weren't always nice in again, right, a lot of
Speaker 3: people when you're.
Speaker 4: Having rockstone accur and stuff, a lot of people will pay,
Speaker 4: they'll walk away with fear.
Speaker 3: Right, it seemed not so nice as to get in.
Speaker 4: But we found very quickly that if you don't react
Speaker 4: to those things, then they'll stop them.
Speaker 3: More things will happen, right.
Speaker 4: Something to think about if you're on the woods and
Speaker 4: some crazy things start happening, anything, it has to do
Speaker 4: with a squatch.
Speaker 3: Don't react. If you get excited, pull your gun or
Speaker 3: start screaming.
Speaker 4: Into the woods, They're going to recognize immediately you're not
Speaker 4: the people that they want to interact with whatsoever.
Speaker 3: So if you're looking for an experience, don't react, just
Speaker 3: let things happen. Stay calm. Things are more likely to
Speaker 3: happened not away. So this that particularly trackway.
Speaker 4: Could actually went across the gravel area. There was another
Speaker 4: set of tracks on the other side.
Speaker 3: So the following week I went out. I got so
Speaker 3: excited that this first part of the trackway, I didn't
Speaker 3: even realize there was more on the other side of
Speaker 3: the gravel area.
Speaker 4: So when I went back out a week later, I
Speaker 4: went to the other side of the gravel and I
Speaker 4: found these and I was like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: missed the trackway. This is you just discovering that. Kicking
Speaker 4: myself on the bio market all these I actually casted
Speaker 4: some of these.
Speaker 3: I don't have these castings with me, but I did
Speaker 3: cast some of these tracks. So we moved forward. So
Speaker 3: this particular video there's going to be three sets of
Speaker 3: tracks in it.
Speaker 4: Well, so we have two juvenile track, two sets of
Speaker 4: juvenile tracks, and then we have the adult female or
Speaker 4: what we knew to be the adult female.
Speaker 6: At this time.
Speaker 4: I believe our tracks were just above twelve inches, going
Speaker 4: on thirteen inches. The young males were about eight inches,
Speaker 4: and the young females were arount nine inches nine and
Speaker 4: a quarter inches.
Speaker 3: So these tracks this is one of those times when
Speaker 3: they were in a small area.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there was a lot of muscles there,
Speaker 4: but they had really walked around this one particular area
Speaker 4: and then two of them straight out from there. But
Speaker 4: this is the female's tracks to see right there, they're
Speaker 4: just over twelve inches. That one showed almost thirteen. You
Speaker 4: can't rely on the substrate for accurate measurements. The substrate
Speaker 4: is going to react to the foot and depends on
Speaker 4: how the pot is pushing off, and they add a
Speaker 4: little bit to these tracks, especially in mud, so I
Speaker 4: tend to assume they're just a little smaller than what
Speaker 4: the actual measurement is.
Speaker 3: These had actually we've had a light rain before I
Speaker 3: found these, so some of these are partially washed. We've
Speaker 3: got three sets of tracks through all this small area
Speaker 3: out there and literally directly ahead as far as the
Speaker 3: video is concerned. There's the two juveniles from meander off
Speaker 3: and you can see some of these tracks. Here's where
Speaker 3: they start to beander out from speak. So I've got
Speaker 3: a lot of people say to me, how do you
Speaker 3: know there's not people out there leaving these tracks?
Speaker 2: So it's this one.
Speaker 3: This is private property too.
Speaker 4: We've had these tracks show up overnight while we were there,
Speaker 4: and our canvas literally fifteen mint yards from this mud
Speaker 4: flat area.
Speaker 3: We've been out there in the evening running a thermal
Speaker 3: can risk. It blows during the day.
Speaker 4: We go to day, wake up the next day, and
Speaker 4: go out that morning and there's branding fresh tracks. We're
Speaker 4: confident and positive there's not people out there hopes in
Speaker 4: this and if there is, there's somebody who has some
Speaker 4: big fee because the adult male out there to either
Speaker 4: much bigger. At the time that they were running about
Speaker 4: fourteen inches, and we watched them grow to sixteen inches.
Speaker 3: And these are not public.
Speaker 4: Just so you guys know, don't go to my YouTube
Speaker 4: channel expecting to see these because you won't.
Speaker 3: So here's a trackway that I found in twenty and eighteen.
Speaker 3: This trackway was different than all the others I've ever found.
Speaker 3: The right foot. As I go through this, you're going
Speaker 3: to see that the heels are.
Speaker 4: In line, but the right foot is copped out to
Speaker 4: the right, so the left foot stays straightforward in every
Speaker 4: very right step.
Speaker 3: In plent's upward. This is the only time I've found
Speaker 3: these tracks out there. I've never found them again. I
Speaker 3: had at one point thought that this was the same
Speaker 3: female and maybe she had injured her foot and was
Speaker 3: walking that a way just to alleviate the pain. I
Speaker 3: can't say that for sure, but as far as the
Speaker 3: shape and the toes, they were very similar to the
Speaker 3: female tracks that we normally found out of the adult
Speaker 3: female tracks. We'll look at this real quick.
Speaker 4: At one point, I've got to walk and stick with me,
Speaker 4: and I put it between the tracks to just show
Speaker 4: that the heels are in line. That vile track isn't
Speaker 4: obviously fine, that's a foot track. And these had actually
Speaker 4: been rained on. Also, these have been left during the week,
Speaker 4: and I was out there on a Sunday.
Speaker 3: See there's that first right foot into the left, and
Speaker 3: then you have that right foot plenty outward.
Speaker 4: There it is again, and you have the next track
Speaker 4: forward again the right track outward, and you can see
Speaker 4: these things are in line, the heels are rooted or
Speaker 4: basically a straight line, but the right foot turns out
Speaker 4: there every single step.
Speaker 3: I believe there was forty two tracks in this trackway,
Speaker 3: and every single right foot was pointed out to the
Speaker 3: right just like that. So at this point, I'm thinking, Man,
Speaker 3: if the female is injured, if I can get on her,
Speaker 3: she's not gonna get away from me, and she can't
Speaker 3: run with a foot messed up or a leg mess up.
Speaker 3: So I thought maybe that it slow down and that
Speaker 3: would give us an opportunity to get to get a
Speaker 3: better visual. Ever, but that actually has never happened. We've
Speaker 3: never seen the adult female out of this property. We
Speaker 3: have many tracks of hers that have never visually seen her.
Speaker 3: So it's just another minute of niche.
Speaker 4: Right, But here's you said that I found in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: and I believe there was eleven tracks.
Speaker 3: And then go into the water. Speaking of the water,
Speaker 3: I will say this too. I wasn't able to find the.
Speaker 4: Video I've got somewhere on my head seat cart, but
Speaker 4: I've also got a video of the adult female in
Speaker 4: December in mud, walking.
Speaker 3: Out through the mud and into the water. You can
Speaker 3: actually see her you can.
Speaker 4: Actually see three tracks out into the water. Her stride
Speaker 4: doesn't change as she goes into the water. I promise
Speaker 4: you there's nobody out there in mid December against twenty.
Speaker 3: Five degrees walking into this water.
Speaker 4: It's springted also, that's naturally could show these real quick
Speaker 4: and then we'll move on to.
Speaker 3: One of these tracks in particular. Cut my eye. Everybody's
Speaker 3: heard of the mid part will break the mid parcel joint.
Speaker 3: That one right there had a slide.
Speaker 4: To see the deal when it stepped down, the whole
Speaker 4: foot punched forward and slipped forward in the mud. For
Speaker 4: this one particular track here kew of these actually show
Speaker 4: what we would assume is the mid tarsal joint or
Speaker 4: the mid tarsal break, which I'm here it is right here.
Speaker 3: See that they ridge in the middle. That really threw
Speaker 3: me off when I first walked up to it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, very track, double step, but I'm a
Speaker 4: double step to the very backfoot will step on the
Speaker 4: top of the front of the track, and that's not
Speaker 4: the case. Here you can see that the hump in
Speaker 4: the middle is pushed back and it's over the back
Speaker 4: of the track. I went over this, tried to create
Speaker 4: this with my foot several times, and my best guess
Speaker 4: is it started to release the pressure, bent.
Speaker 3: Its foot and then pressure back down and then stepped.
Speaker 3: It's the only thing I could come up with, and
Speaker 3: that's the only track that was showing that much of
Speaker 3: a pole in the center of it.
Speaker 4: You see this track out of the track into the
Speaker 4: water and gone. So is that So we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about these tracks a little bit.
Speaker 3: For years we've heard the mid tarsal break and mid
Speaker 3: tarsal joint theory. When this theory is done around, they're
Speaker 3: always using adult tracks.
Speaker 4: I'm here to say that Jeff Melgram, we all need
Speaker 4: to appreciate him for stepping into this world, out of
Speaker 4: his world, into our world, because it's not typically a
Speaker 4: good thing for science to step into subjects like this.
Speaker 4: So we owe him a lot for even being willing
Speaker 4: to look into this. For a long time he considered
Speaker 4: these things apes and to him on what was showing
Speaker 4: in the adult tracks was a mid tarcel break that
Speaker 4: made them an ape. What we've discovered via being able
Speaker 4: to cast the same individuals over time several years in
Speaker 4: a row, we're seeing definite marches in these tracks as
Speaker 4: juveniles The hard thing I think for some people is
Speaker 4: when you start using the word arch.
Speaker 3: That's a humanistic characteristic, right, human characteristic age don't have arches,
Speaker 3: they have a mid tarsel break. Our feet are completely different.
Speaker 3: So if these things have arches, what's that mean.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: When it comes to bipele is to walk.
Speaker 4: Up right all the time, you also need there's a
Speaker 4: tendon that runs from the hip to the foot, the
Speaker 4: hip to the ankle. So now megill Meldam has straight
Speaker 4: away from the North American ape or a wood eight,
Speaker 4: and now he's saying that these things are most likely
Speaker 4: some kind of really common that we've been saying this
Speaker 4: for a long time because of our tracks. As you
Speaker 4: go back and look at our tracks or juvenile tracks,
Speaker 4: suppose that juvenile tracks, they're typically gonna show arches and
Speaker 4: not just one arch. We're gonna show multiple arches, right,
Speaker 4: so we have basically three arches. I have some tracks
Speaker 4: that show four possible four the arch next to the
Speaker 4: interior your logitudel arge. It's very interesting in it takes
Speaker 4: this subject in a different direction depending.
Speaker 3: On what we believe. So I personally do not believe
Speaker 3: that these things are apes. I just don't.
Speaker 4: I've seen too many things that scream homin it for
Speaker 4: human and the tracks being the main thing. When Randy
Speaker 4: Harrington's first started researching with me, I'd go cast these tracks.
Speaker 3: I'd be all humpedy excited. I could just be like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Because he wasn't sure a companies, we couldn't say definitively
Speaker 4: these are juvenile big foot tracks.
Speaker 3: We didn't have that proof. We'd have seen them out
Speaker 3: there visually during the day, daylight hours. We've seen them
Speaker 3: on many times through thermal camera.
Speaker 4: The killer for Randy was the night that the tracks
Speaker 4: were left while we were there, because he knew there
Speaker 4: was no way somebody could have gotten down in there
Speaker 4: and left those tracks.
Speaker 3: Most likely without us a moment. Typically like we always
Speaker 3: go back and I find a set of tracks. After
Speaker 3: I go through and do my thing with the tracks themselves,
Speaker 3: I'll go back and try to figure out where they
Speaker 3: came in and where they left.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's going to give me not.
Speaker 4: Only the possibility finding more tracks, but it's also going
Speaker 4: to give me some ideas of patterns of them moving
Speaker 4: in and out of the property.
Speaker 3: Or into certain areas, so that kind of helps me
Speaker 3: know where I need to focus on. Eventually, Randy was convinced,
Speaker 3: now we don't even second guess ourselves. We know what's
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 4: We've seen now we know that they're leading these tracks.
Speaker 4: And if there's been somebody out there for six years
Speaker 4: hoaxing me a power film, right, they've fooled me and
Speaker 4: they've pooled other people.
Speaker 3: Also, it just is what it is.
Speaker 4: If you look at mister Kryder's tracks, he also has
Speaker 4: some human of tracks and you'll see the same thing
Speaker 4: in his tracks, you'll see arges.
Speaker 3: I don't know if melvilm is really.
Speaker 4: Opening up to the idea that these things have arches
Speaker 4: or not, but hopefully he is now that he's changed
Speaker 4: his course from aid to really hominid.
Speaker 3: Like they're really common, they're most likely to have arches.
Speaker 3: So it just it is what it is.
Speaker 4: Right, we learned that's how science is supposed to work.
Speaker 4: You had your starting theories, your starting points, and as
Speaker 4: you move forward and collect evidence, sometimes those theories will change.
Speaker 3: Right the evidence. You have to follow the evidence, and
Speaker 3: this it's been ours. So that's what we followed.
Speaker 4: We've just stuck with our evidence, regardless of what other
Speaker 4: scientists may say, or other people may find or say.
Speaker 3: We stick with our evidence and work off of it
Speaker 3: and call it good. A volume for this, I wanted
Speaker 3: to play this mainly for the people who are going
Speaker 3: to the camp out. Raise your hand if you're going
Speaker 3: to the camp out. Okay, So some of you were
Speaker 3: there last year, o'patrick was, Kim was so. Last year
Speaker 3: we had a crazy little situation. It was dead. We
Speaker 3: were there for four or five days.
Speaker 4: It was really quiet the whole time, and the last
Speaker 4: night it had this crazy scoring come through. And when
Speaker 4: I say crazy, I'm talking like unreal straight wins. Our
Speaker 4: camp cooks were over here. They had a big tent
Speaker 4: out in the middle.
Speaker 3: The kitchen. The tent it got mangled, just destroyed. There
Speaker 3: was food all over the place. There was trash stop
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 4: During the storm, we were busy holding our tents down
Speaker 4: and helping each other out and whatnot, trying to say
Speaker 4: what we could.
Speaker 3: We didn't even clean up that night.
Speaker 4: We just thought we'll do it in the morning. That
Speaker 4: night we had some interesting stuff. Having we had something
Speaker 4: went around the whole parameter of our camp we believed
Speaker 4: there was something out where the kitchen tent was.
Speaker 3: Also there's lots of free food, the trash and stuff
Speaker 3: out there. What I'm going to play here.
Speaker 2: Is a video.
Speaker 4: Hopefully the sound will work on this. I get up
Speaker 4: the next morning, there's already several people out.
Speaker 3: This is just a tent over for me, like change,
Speaker 3: We need to come look at this. You need to
Speaker 3: come through your thing. I think there was something out
Speaker 3: here last night.
Speaker 4: We had two tints in particular where they were awake
Speaker 4: and saw the shadow and heard it. We had a
Speaker 4: female and a geep Cherokee between those two tents who
Speaker 4: visually saw it behind the second tent, while somebody in
Speaker 4: that tent was hearing it awake and hearing it.
Speaker 3: So basically at least one came in, went around a
Speaker 3: whole perimeter perimeter of the camp, and exitded. So what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you is just a little quick video
Speaker 3: that I took. This is about maybe an eighth.
Speaker 4: Way into the track way that runs around this whole area.
Speaker 4: So you're not gonna see any really good tracks per se.
Speaker 4: You're gonna see some compressions, but what you're gonna see
Speaker 4: is a push through that runs all the way around
Speaker 4: the camp. You're gonna see areas where you can obviously
Speaker 4: you know that a large foot step down. There's a
Speaker 4: couple of things I'll explain to you within the tracks
Speaker 4: that I know just from my experience, and I well
Speaker 4: look at it. Hopefully the sound works definitely running.
Speaker 3: Back through this record, I want to pause it here.
Speaker 3: So this is running down to south I believe, the
Speaker 3: south side of the camp, and we're coming up on
Speaker 3: Randy Herring content. The interesting part about this is a
Speaker 3: Randy guy up after me.
Speaker 4: Randy comes out and gets into the commotion and needs
Speaker 4: what's going on, what's going on, and we start explaining
Speaker 4: to him what happened.
Speaker 3: He's, oh, my gosh, somebody came to my tent last night.
Speaker 4: He thought it was a particular person coming to get
Speaker 4: some books that had gotten wet and like slung out
Speaker 4: during the storm, and he had picked him up put
Speaker 4: him on his table, so he thought I was that person.
Speaker 3: When that person walked up, or what he thought was
Speaker 3: a person walked up, he sat there, listen. He stay
Speaker 3: quiet for a second, and then he hears this.
Speaker 4: One of these two plastic toads right there with the
Speaker 4: yellow tops he hears plastic, right, big cat can moved
Speaker 4: a little bit, so he speaks out. I don't remember
Speaker 4: exactly what he said.
Speaker 3: It was something to the effect of, hey, can I
Speaker 3: help you do I need to come out there, and
Speaker 3: then got fought. So he just assumed that it was
Speaker 3: the person he thought of us, possibly right. He didn't
Speaker 3: get up and check or anything. I think he said
Speaker 3: he'd gotten up and peeked out suns it zib a
Speaker 3: little bit, peaked out, and there's nobody there. Nobody was
Speaker 3: at the campfire anymore. So he just laid back down.
Speaker 3: So this is what he thought he was hearing, was
Speaker 3: this plastic this toat being actor. He thought it was
Speaker 3: somebody was trying to get into one of them, is
Speaker 3: what he thought. So now we're going back into the
Speaker 3: tree line. And so it's almost like it got spooked
Speaker 3: because as it was coming down up until his tent,
Speaker 3: it had been.
Speaker 4: Out in the open on me on the inside of
Speaker 4: the tree line. At that point it goes back into
Speaker 4: the tree line. There's a couple of things back here
Speaker 4: that I'll point out.
Speaker 2: So right here you.
Speaker 3: See this storn bush that the storn bush has bent back. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's atill sign that something walked through there. It
Speaker 3: was originally laying out on the trail just like that.
Speaker 4: So now you're gonna watch me walk right through it,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna go right back into position.
Speaker 3: And it's so there's one of my signs that something
Speaker 3: walk through there.
Speaker 4: Don't know what yet that something walk through the some
Speaker 4: of these areas, like we know for sure, nobody during
Speaker 4: the campout had bent back in these spots.
Speaker 3: You see a lot of push down right there here.
Speaker 4: At the time, there were a a lot more tents
Speaker 4: out here, and just to the left where you saw
Speaker 4: that tent, there was one on this side of.
Speaker 3: It also, So right here you can see some big compressions.
Speaker 4: So on this next one, I'll explain a little detail
Speaker 4: here at this particular.
Speaker 3: Spot, Okay, right there, what I'm doing so I'm showing
Speaker 3: this angle. So in that particular spot, it was out
Speaker 3: in the open and came out from behind that hate
Speaker 3: veil and stepped forward. When I'm doing this, when I'm
Speaker 3: showing is when these things step down. Typically they stepped
Speaker 3: straight down. In this particular moment, it had its foot
Speaker 3: had slid.
Speaker 4: It went down and in at an angle and you
Speaker 4: can see that by the compression of the foliage there,
Speaker 4: So what that told me.
Speaker 3: And the step was directly in front of the other one,
Speaker 3: so it didn't take a big step. It bent its knee.
Speaker 3: It's that knee and it is so it was being cautious, right,
Speaker 3: which makes sense because it's out and open like it
Speaker 3: took a couple of steps forward to look out see
Speaker 3: the situation.
Speaker 4: What we think was happening was this one was going
Speaker 4: around camp. We think there was another one that was
Speaker 4: out gating food, and this one was going around camp
Speaker 4: keeping an eye on things. So at this point it
Speaker 4: moves on and there's a tent that was it had
Speaker 4: already torn down their tent at this point, so the
Speaker 4: ten was right there.
Speaker 3: One of the ladies that was in that tent is
Speaker 3: actually here. She can speak on this. She actually heard
Speaker 3: it and listened to it leander behind their tent for
Speaker 3: a few moments, and then it went to this scent.
Speaker 3: And this is actually Mary's tint, who was sound asleep
Speaker 3: with her husband. He was awake. He heard something behind
Speaker 3: the tent. And yet that he's saying the exact time
Speaker 3: in between those tents was a jew Cherokee lady there
Speaker 3: was in that jew Cherokee actually saw it standing there
Speaker 3: behind their tent. So it moves on and he's moving
Speaker 3: Neander's on down and it gets to this area. It's
Speaker 3: a little thicker that had been cut.
Speaker 4: I'll show you a few things in this that are
Speaker 4: pretty interesting. So you'll start seeing steps and.
Speaker 3: Compressions as we start to go through this.
Speaker 4: So this thing move came in, It was headed this
Speaker 4: direction and then it cut back and turned into this
Speaker 4: thicker step is what you're gonna see here momentarily that
Speaker 4: I'm going to point out, which is right here.
Speaker 3: These two spots, these are pushpoints. It's hard to tell
Speaker 3: from the video, but these pushpoints go inward at an
Speaker 3: angle right. So you're gonna see me step into that momentarily.
Speaker 4: So again we think it was doing the same thing
Speaker 4: it had done previously. That it was, you know, hugging
Speaker 4: the backside. It comes out, comes forward, step forward into
Speaker 4: that stuff, looks out, looks around. There was a vehicle
Speaker 4: to the left. To seep back to the left, it
Speaker 4: would have had to look around a vehicle, and advantage wise,
Speaker 4: it would have had to.
Speaker 3: Have gone out. It had would have had to have
Speaker 3: moved forward, so it was.
Speaker 4: Super interesting, and we followed this around. Nothing too crazy
Speaker 4: to it, but Itneander's down and we've got two quarter
Speaker 4: potties down on the opposite.
Speaker 3: End of the camp.
Speaker 4: There was two ladies and a tin that it went
Speaker 4: behind they could passed behind. One of them was awake
Speaker 4: and they heard it. And then there's a thump that
Speaker 4: three different people heard at one point. From what we've gathered,
Speaker 4: that thump was one of the quarter potties. They get
Speaker 4: noticed into the quorter potty or get it with his
Speaker 4: hand or something that three different people heard that, and
Speaker 4: then we believe it moved on out and vacated back.
Speaker 3: Up with the dry creek dead.
Speaker 4: So those of you that are going out this year
Speaker 4: with this, there are things going on the property. A
Speaker 4: couple other people have been out there since then. There's
Speaker 4: things happening. So maybe we'll get lucky over the next
Speaker 4: four days. This one, oh my go ahead to take
Speaker 4: questions if anybody got any questions, Yes, sir, well, how
Speaker 4: you know between being a built footprint?
Speaker 3: Okay, good questions. I had no idea about that. My
Speaker 3: first research area when I got into four hundred, it
Speaker 3: was a matter of it.
Speaker 4: Took me about a year to get a good daytime
Speaker 4: afternoon visual of one of the individuals, and it was
Speaker 4: about another three months before I got a visual of
Speaker 4: the younger. The first set of tracks that I found
Speaker 4: out there were the adult female. I had some I
Speaker 4: didn't think at that point, didn't realize as the female
Speaker 4: when I was making over of the shapes of the tracks,
Speaker 4: and of course the dimensions, and the second set of
Speaker 4: tracks that I found were nine inch tracks, and the
Speaker 4: heel foot was very skinny and the heel was very long.
Speaker 4: The third set of tracks that I found were smaller,
Speaker 4: They were about eight inches, and the heel was thicker
Speaker 4: and wider, and the fall of the.
Speaker 3: Foot was really robust, a major difference in the shape.
Speaker 4: As we progressed through this situation and I got to
Speaker 4: eventually see these two individuals that were leaving these tracks,
Speaker 4: we were able to.
Speaker 3: Tell that the skinnier tracks were being left by.
Speaker 4: The female and then thicker, more robust tracks were being
Speaker 4: left by the young male.
Speaker 3: As the feet were growing, some of that changes.
Speaker 4: The skinnier heel still stays fairly regulent, and I've got
Speaker 4: that in some adult female tracks also that I can
Speaker 4: show you from what we've been tell when they're younger.
Speaker 3: Especially its dislike in humans.
Speaker 4: The women typically have daintier feet, thinner feet, and men
Speaker 4: don't have ugly, monstrous to hideous seed right.
Speaker 3: As common in humans. So we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Within all these tracks that we've been finding out there.
Speaker 4: After I started realizing these things, I had a lot
Speaker 4: of tracks from my previous research area, and I went
Speaker 4: back and started looking at those videos.
Speaker 3: In those pictures, it.
Speaker 4: Was actually the same situation was too juveniles. When was
Speaker 4: a male one was a female, except this one the
Speaker 4: male was bigger out the four hundred that the female
Speaker 4: was older or bigger.
Speaker 3: I was able to look back at those and in coincided,
Speaker 3: So we just round with that.
Speaker 4: Now, we can't say one hundred percent for sure until
Speaker 4: we see an individual.
Speaker 3: Leave a track. We can't six hundercent. But that's our
Speaker 3: run and theory is.
Speaker 4: That typically, especially in the juveniles, the females will have
Speaker 4: a skinnier and more more feminine track than the males will.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, maybe I have any contact with talkt for
Speaker 3: Mildred enough for the evidence you.
Speaker 5: Can have I have.
Speaker 3: I've got two adult tracks back here.
Speaker 4: I brought these because I usually pack these with me,
Speaker 4: because these are two tracks that Meldrone has looked at.
Speaker 3: He was convinced that they're legit.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but I personally knew that these two
Speaker 4: tracks in particular are from the same individual, but the
Speaker 4: heel shape is different, and I know why they're different
Speaker 4: because of the substrate. But I didn't tell Melville that.
Speaker 4: When I showed him these two tracks. He figured that
Speaker 4: on his own he could tell that.
Speaker 3: There was from the same individual, and he asked me
Speaker 3: about the substrates, so he was well aware. And I
Speaker 3: didn't even have to tell him what did he think
Speaker 3: of the juvenile tracks that you do?
Speaker 4: So I started getting juvenile track after that meeting with him.
Speaker 4: I send some emails to him, some pictures, nothing crickets.
Speaker 4: I get that coming from the scientific world, it's much
Speaker 4: easier for him to look at adult tracks because they
Speaker 4: flatten out over time. Some of these adult tracks, there's
Speaker 4: no possible way to take him in foot.
Speaker 3: It's much easier and safer for him.
Speaker 4: To look at the adult tracks and ignore the juvenile tracks,
Speaker 4: because as a scientist, he can go to his buddies
Speaker 4: and say, look at this, isn't this interesting?
Speaker 3: Or you're can take a Jubi track and they're going
Speaker 3: to go that was pretty much human. So for him,
Speaker 3: what he's trying to do.
Speaker 4: Within the subject that there's no payoff for him and
Speaker 4: trying to convince other scientists that these tracks, the juvenile tracks,
Speaker 4: are from the Sasquatch of not humans.
Speaker 3: There are some details, some differences.
Speaker 4: For him, it would be implausible to try to convince
Speaker 4: his other scientific minded people or all these people around
Speaker 4: him that these juvenile tracks aren't there's no win for
Speaker 4: him and.
Speaker 3: It's not going to help the subject, if not going
Speaker 3: to help him within the subject, So he pretty much
Speaker 3: just stays clear of him. But I will say, if
Speaker 3: you look around, there's.
Speaker 4: Pictures of Melbourne holding adult tracks, they clearly have an
Speaker 4: interior arch.
Speaker 3: Clearly he's holding these up and.
Speaker 4: Talking about it mid tarsal break, but there's clearly an
Speaker 4: interior arch cars.
Speaker 3: Where he's at on that, I don't know. I'd love
Speaker 3: to have that discussion.
Speaker 4: With him, take his mind on that for sure, especially
Speaker 4: now since he's taken a back step and changed what
Speaker 4: he's saying and what he thinks about these is initially
Speaker 4: he has a different way with the mid tarsal break theory,
Speaker 4: but he has said that he now believes they're more
Speaker 4: of a really con a versus an eight.
Speaker 3: So we're moving forward. We're all kind of starting to
Speaker 3: cone into the same area, I think.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: But as far as the juvenile travelers aren't going to
Speaker 4: help them, they'll make things more difficult for him.
Speaker 3: So I totally understand it. At first, I was like,
Speaker 3: why the heck won't you get that I need them
Speaker 3: to look at these so that I know that what
Speaker 3: I'm thinking is has a little way to here, And.
Speaker 4: I never could get that from him, And it took
Speaker 4: me a while to know. I had to step back
Speaker 4: and think about it from his perspective.
Speaker 3: To him, there's no game for him, and there's no
Speaker 3: game for the subject for him to come out and
Speaker 3: say that those are legit tracks. Yes, sir, the shortest
Speaker 3: you've found entity with the Geral ridges. The smallest track
Speaker 3: that I found five and three quarter to.
Speaker 4: Six inches as the smalle as I found. I've actually
Speaker 4: three different occasions I found those. One was in my
Speaker 4: old research area and twice out of the four hundred
Speaker 4: as I'm finding all those holes at the sixth in them.
Speaker 4: On that video, Melon pulls up a little flashlight and
Speaker 4: he showed me grmal ridges on those two adult tracks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 4: If you look at these duty tracks back here, you'll
Speaker 4: see all kinds of crazy grmal ridges and stuff on them.
Speaker 4: Hit you look life shining an down load, and you'll
Speaker 4: start seeing stuff anybody else?
Speaker 7: Yes, man, if you could up putting out a second
Speaker 7: thinking about the absolutely not absolutely not.
Speaker 3: There's too much work and too much headache that goes
Speaker 3: along with it.
Speaker 4: I don't have to get it now because we've got
Speaker 4: these beautiful ladies following us around.
Speaker 3: They've been with us, are going on three years now,
Speaker 3: so they're keeping track of what we're doing and putting
Speaker 3: up with us as much as they can. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not doing anything else like that. They're gonna tell our
Speaker 3: story for a while. After that, I'll probably get out
Speaker 3: and we'll never see me again.
Speaker 4: I'll probably go not public and just dive into this
Speaker 4: for myself versus trying to make it more public and
Speaker 4: prove these.
Speaker 5: Things are real.
Speaker 3: That is anybody, Yes, how are yours?
Speaker 4: You stood? They're all about to say size and even
Speaker 4: once other people are talking about in different states.
Speaker 3: Are the sticks the same size? I want to know
Speaker 3: what's it looks for now? And are they usually in
Speaker 3: the hole? Why do you think they're in the hole?
Speaker 3: So they're not always the same depth and size.
Speaker 4: That's just kind of an average per se.
Speaker 3: I'll pull a couple of these up real quick. Actually,
Speaker 3: typically as far as the size of the sticks, it varies.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they'll be six seven inches long. We've had them
Speaker 4: where they're like a foot long. I mean, they got
Speaker 4: to be big enough and strong enough to dig with,
Speaker 4: so they're not going to.
Speaker 3: Be too small. But it's not that large. Typically the
Speaker 3: stick's not gonna be any bigger than that.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're correct, and it's a very young
Speaker 4: one's doing this, it makes sense that they're gonna grab.
Speaker 3: A smaller stick too. They're not gonna grab something this
Speaker 3: giant really go at it.
Speaker 4: That's why we think that it's something they're doing just
Speaker 4: to past time while the adults are busy doing something.
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's just real random. They just sit down,
Speaker 3: grab stick, start digging, and their mom's let's go and
Speaker 3: stick it in and go.
Speaker 8: I wonder if it's something like you know, you hear
Speaker 8: stories about some people going along and all of a
Speaker 8: sudden they'll find a tree upwounded and shut out the
Speaker 8: ground the top down with the roots sticking the help.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's the little one's practicing for that the good possible,
Speaker 8: just because what it does seem significant that many times
Speaker 8: the stick is in the hole.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a reason for that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would saying the kids are playing arounds a
Speaker 8: board because mom'still or whatever digging around. The natural thing
Speaker 8: would just be to draw the stick them all away,
Speaker 8: But why stick.
Speaker 4: It in the hole.
Speaker 3: Here's one This is actually right next to our camp.
Speaker 3: We've had to nick down. We had to camp there
Speaker 3: at five a.
Speaker 4: Month and a half two months and I went down
Speaker 4: to check out camp and this is literally only trail.
Speaker 3: Next our camp.
Speaker 8: Human kids to imitate adult behavior, why wouldn't they perhaps
Speaker 8: imitate the.
Speaker 3: Adult pare the know a lot of things have hunt
Speaker 3: how to do whatever.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's something related to what adults do when they're
Speaker 8: imitating behavior or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's very lost a lot. Yeah, that's very possible,
Speaker 3: and that's a reasonable thought for sure.
Speaker 2: It could.
Speaker 3: This is what we the truth versus what we're thinking
Speaker 3: about it. We just don't know.
Speaker 4: There's no evidence that really points anything for sure, so
Speaker 4: we're just keep it open about it, of.
Speaker 3: Course, but like right now, we're not not finding those anymore.
Speaker 3: This was in October twenty two.
Speaker 4: It was the last was when I was finding them
Speaker 4: a lot and we just found six inch tracks. It
Speaker 4: was probably, I think the last one I found, probably I.
Speaker 3: Believe this is twenty two right here. This is another
Speaker 3: one twenty two.
Speaker 4: I found one in twenty three about five hundred yards
Speaker 4: from our camp. We're all based camp, and that's the
Speaker 4: last one I found. And this seemed to be the
Speaker 4: way to once they It's almost as if once they
Speaker 4: could hit a certain age, they just quipped the quick
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 3: Why? I don't know, Like literally, we have no idea.
Speaker 4: All I know is that we're finding them when we're
Speaker 4: finding small tracks. Now that we've put that out, other
Speaker 4: people are finding them too.
Speaker 8: So if you're only finding just one in an area,
Speaker 8: finding multiple ones in a smaller or.
Speaker 4: The last ones that we found rain he was actually
Speaker 4: with me and we were up in the Bay Station,
Speaker 4: the area that where we have a flows base station
Speaker 4: set up and there's a fence line forty feet from
Speaker 4: our base station. I believe that they're crossing stepping over
Speaker 4: the fence line for several years, and we found a
Speaker 4: track on our side of the fence line.
Speaker 3: I say our side is the base station side. It's
Speaker 3: still on our property.
Speaker 4: And then there were five holes actually, and one of
Speaker 4: the holes had to stick in is still but that's.
Speaker 3: The only time I found multiple holes. There was five of.
Speaker 4: Them, and this dirt in particular was re loose. I
Speaker 4: don't know if they had something to do with it
Speaker 4: digging in.
Speaker 3: That's a decade indicated there looking for flogs. Possibly.
Speaker 4: I still say that it's a good Bible option gigging
Speaker 4: grubs or worms.
Speaker 3: Because of the rain, it's always after a ring. But
Speaker 3: one thing for sure, the stick is either a tool
Speaker 3: or as a toy, right, I see it as a tool.
Speaker 3: I'm not beyond using tools. I've left knives out with
Speaker 3: the hopes of finding things of the forests are the
Speaker 3: cuts I haven't.
Speaker 4: I've left knives at my bay station and they disappeared
Speaker 4: me personally, I think they used tools.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they used to Why wouldn't these things?
Speaker 4: I consider these things smarter than us when it comes
Speaker 4: to their environment compared to them.
Speaker 3: We're we're stupid when we're in the foor.
Speaker 8: They are.
Speaker 3: They are the forest hinges. Thanks, what are your focks
Speaker 3: and opinions on the dog man phenomenon? And would you
Speaker 3: ever investigate that, let's say darker sitles.
Speaker 4: You know, and if I had a dog man experience,
Speaker 4: I don't want the dog man experience.
Speaker 3: I don't think about dog man when I'm in the woods.
Speaker 9: This is experienced experience, the one I pulled you. So
Speaker 9: this was early on in my first research area. I
Speaker 9: was in my first research area.
Speaker 3: This is early on. This is this was in two
Speaker 3: in thirteen. I walked in this area. There's this huge
Speaker 3: brush clouds. I saw a movement, so I crept in
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 4: And this is the only time I've seen, being honest asquatch,
Speaker 4: this thing with maybe two foot tall.
Speaker 3: And it was in the edge of the brush. I
Speaker 3: took a picture. I took two pictures.
Speaker 4: As I took a second one, it was backing into
Speaker 4: the brush and I'm just sitting here thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I can't believe I just saw that.
Speaker 3: And then I hear a knockoff on my right.
Speaker 4: So I looked down into this valley and I start
Speaker 4: scanning and I scanned back, and as I'm scanning back across,
Speaker 4: I see this.
Speaker 3: The only thing I can explain it. It looked like
Speaker 3: a dog, looked like a not like a wolf.
Speaker 4: It had a short snout. This head was next to
Speaker 4: a tree. The foliage was four and a half to
Speaker 4: five foot tall, and this head.
Speaker 3: Was above it. It was just a black head. It
Speaker 3: had ears and a snout. All I could see was
Speaker 3: the head.
Speaker 4: It was probably fifty yards away from me, so usually
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what I was looking at.
Speaker 3: It could have been a black.
Speaker 4: Coyo that having snow shut off, or I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was. All I know is that this thing
Speaker 4: had ears and had a snout. All I could see
Speaker 4: was the head. It spooed me, and I left.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 4: It's the only time I've really been spoot doing this
Speaker 4: because I didn't know what I was seeing.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it moved per se, so it may
Speaker 3: not even have been something that was alive. All I
Speaker 3: know is what I saw spoof me. I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: what I was looking at. It wasn't what I was
Speaker 3: out there to look for, so I backed the hell
Speaker 3: out and watched.
Speaker 4: My back all the way out, and I had an
Speaker 4: hour and a half hike out all the way on
Speaker 4: paranoid to watch on my back. The only other time
Speaker 4: I felt like that was when I found Cuba tracks.
Speaker 4: So thanks Luke your camp.
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