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In 31 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.319 Ladock Ocsober two thousand and nine, Cleveland police detectives arrived 32 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:06.159 at the home of Anthony Sowell, an ex marine and 33 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.080 registered sex offender, to arrest him on weak old rate charges. 34 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.319 But this was no ordinary house, nor would it be 35 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:17.120 a routine arrest, for even though Solol was not at home, 36 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.719 officers knew immediately something was horribly wrong. After initially finding 37 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.960 two rotting corpses inside the home, their investigation would lead 38 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.080 them to discover the bodies of eleven women. This is 39 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.479 the shocking account of Solo's legacy of depravity and cold 40 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:36.319 blooded murder. His mannered and well spoken veneer masked a 41 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.080 monster who felt no mercy for those he butchered, his 42 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.800 twisted existence spent among the decaying bodies of his victims, 43 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.159 and how he picked his victims from the fringes of society, 44 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.560 lost souls with criminal records or drug habits that would 45 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.800 make them less likely to arouse alarm if they simply disappeared, 46 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:06.080 but that didn't mean they wouldn't be avenged. Nobody's Women, 47 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.919 the book we're profiling this evening is Nobody's Women, The 48 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.599 Crimes and Victims of Anthony Soul, the Cleveland serial Killer, 49 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.680 with my special guest, journalist and author Steve Miller. Welcome 50 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:18.719 back to the program, and thank you for agreeing to 51 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:19.840 this interview. Steve Miller. 52 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.360 Hi, good evening. 53 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.360 Had a little gap there where I couldn't find my 54 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.039 place and reading the script. Sorry about Matt, Yes. 55 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.919 All right, that's the silence is good. It's all right. 56 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.520 Anyway, I wanted to say, we're those who listening to 57 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.039 the in the audience this evening where you're in for 58 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.439 a real thrill ride, because this is an amazing story 59 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.199 and an amazing book. And so let's get to this 60 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.000 question I often ask I might have asked you this 61 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.520 before when you're on the program, what without giving too 62 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.039 much of the story away. What brought you to this story? 63 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.400 Why were you compelled to write about this story, this 64 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.280 serial killer in this time and place in history. What 65 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.439 brought you to this story in this book? 66 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.199 Well, you know when I when when this all went down, 67 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.759 I was working on my second book, uh, which was 68 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:14.360 A Girl Wanted the Chase for Sarah Pender and uh, 69 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.199 and so my mind wasn't on what was going on 70 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.600 in the news, and yet this story kept popping up. 71 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.040 It was you know, these these bodies were being hauled 72 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.040 out of a house and one of the worst neighborhoods 73 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.759 in Cleveland, and uh, I'd be in a Midwesterner, you know, 74 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.560 I pay attention to that kind of stuff, and and 75 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.439 uh it looked to me at first, you know, I thought, well, 76 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.680 this is just another grim you know, a grim mass murder. 77 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.120 And but but I'd find myself reading about it and 78 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.680 I think, well, who are these women? You know who who? 79 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:45.319 What were was he praying on it's and it's Uh 80 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.759 it started to attract me in that way. I said, well, 81 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.040 who are these people? Who are who's getting killed? And 82 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:53.839 uh So I started reading more and more about the victims, 83 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.680 and then there were you know, the allegations that the 84 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.279 police didn't act on these these people had come up 85 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.240 missing in these this bad neighborhoo and uh and I 86 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:04.800 and I realized that this this was a kind of 87 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.439 a compelling story about you know, it had a little 88 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.720 bit of you know, some police work in it, some 89 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.319 uh you know, obviously the horrific murders, and and at 90 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:18.560 the the heart of it was a very depraved human being, 91 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.720 Anthony Soul. And you know, so it started to look 92 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:24.319 at me, look to me like a challenge. You know, 93 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.519 I hadn't I dealt with really like kind of like 94 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.519 mysteries and and so on and so forth before. In 95 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.680 this case, there was really no mystery. It was. It 96 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.360 was kind of like right in a like about a 97 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:36.800 football game. It happened right in front of you. And 98 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:38.759 uh and so I thought I'd take that challenge and 99 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.600 hopefully it succeeded in in Nobody's women. 100 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:47.439 Right now, let's talk about Cleveland. You alluded to it 101 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.920 that that's one of the worst neighborhoods. So take us 102 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.120 back to first of all, let's let's do Anthony Soul. 103 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.879 Let's go back and take us back into his childhood. 104 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.480 You did an admirable job of of uncovered ring all 105 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.439 available information about who this guy was and how he 106 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.360 grew up to. He was born in nineteen fifty nine 107 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:13.920 August nineteenth as parents Thomas Senior and Claudia Garrison. Thomas 108 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.879 Soul tell us about his life growing up. Tell us 109 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:19.879 what it was really like for Anthony sol and what 110 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:23.160 hype person was he growing up? Right from the very beginning. 111 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:28.519 His father was a criminal. I mean, he had committed 112 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.680 numerous crimes in his life. He had done some time. 113 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:37.360 He was a rough character, and he essentially had had 114 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.560 Anthony and didn't really he'd never served as a father 115 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.160 to him, and so Anthony was swung into kind of 116 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.720 an extended family. He would be lived with cousins and 117 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.519 so on and so forth, and his mother and it 118 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.279 was a rough, rough upbringing for this guy. For Soul, 119 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.560 he had a you know, like a lot of people 120 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.600 that we have born into a poverty and h and 121 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.839 so on. He he lived a rough life. There was 122 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.480 a lot of sexual abuse, there was violence. It was 123 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.000 it was a very rough, a terrible upbringing for him, 124 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.480 and he in fact, in the book, we talked quite 125 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.920 a bit about how that worked and against him and 126 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.000 he was. He was abused, and he did some abusing 127 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.759 as well. It almost at some points when I was 128 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:26.319 writing about it, I thought, man, this is just like 129 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.560 a growing up in a house of horrors. It's almost unimaginable. 130 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.360 And yet, you know, Soul managed to go to school. 131 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.639 He you know, he he grew up. You know, he's 132 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.480 kind of an outsider as a kid, but uh there 133 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.560 was nothing apparent to his to his teachers or anything 134 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.319 when he's you know, as he grew up. He had 135 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.160 a high school girlfriend whom I whom I spoke with 136 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.920 at length in the book. And uh so, you know, 137 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:54.439 he he grew up in this very dysfunctional environment, and 138 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.519 yet he managed to you know, it seemed like he 139 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:58.959 was going to going to get out of it. I 140 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.920 mean he joined the Marine. Uh he duringed the Marines 141 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.399 before he graduated high school, and he really wanted to enlist. 142 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.720 And uh so that's where we that's where we got 143 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.879 to a pre crime and he got out of the Marines. 144 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:17.759 And uh he served very very admirably sharpshooter as a 145 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.959 matter of fact, and uh and so you know that's 146 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.079 that's where we got to up to. His criminal activity 147 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:25.360 is known criminal activity. 148 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.360 What let's talk a little bit about the military. You 149 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:30.199 say he was a sharpshooter, So he was. He was 150 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.120 a very good shot, an expert shot. Now what else 151 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:36.559 was what was he characterized? What was what were the 152 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:41.120 reports like of his behavior? Was there any abarrent behavior 153 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.600 when he was in the military, and well did he 154 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.720 he he was released with an honorable discharge. But tell 155 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:51.399 us about what those reports said, if anything during his 156 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:52.159 military state. 157 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.279 But he was he was a very good soldier. I mean, 158 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.600 the the the bottom line, he was a you know, 159 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.399 I guess you know, his his sister, his sister, his 160 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:06.919 half sister, Tressa. At one point I talked about how 161 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:11.320 he he went through a change, but really he he 162 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.159 you know, it seemed like the uh, you know, the 163 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.200 the I guess, I guess what he he went through 164 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.440 was a bit of growing up. You know. He he came, 165 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.120 he came in, he went into the Marines, and uh, 166 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.720 and he wanted to you know, he just he wanted to. 167 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.320 He got married. Uh. He he had every sign of 168 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.600 of being you know, good. He he had a got 169 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:38.679 a good conduct medal, meritory, meritorious mass certificate, a Sea 170 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.320 Service deployment, riven certificate of commendation and two letters of 171 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:48.799 appreciation as a military lawyer who later analyzed Soul's military records, 172 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.799 that he did exceptionally well. So he was he came 173 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:54.440 out of there really good. He served his last tour 174 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.240 of duty of camp Camp Pendleton, and uh, then he 175 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:00.399 came home Cleve. 176 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.080 Now what what what? What would a neighborhood what would 177 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.080 a neighbor say or people that grew up with him, 178 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.240 or friends or family? How would he be characterized in 179 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.720 terms of his character? Was he impulsive? Was he was 180 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.399 he angry? Was he had a temper? Was he arrogant? 181 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:15.679 What was he? What was he like? 182 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:17.320 In those regards? 183 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:21.759 People said, you know, he was he was kind of 184 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.320 a you know, I want to say he was kind 185 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.120 of a weirdo. He didn't, uh, he didn't. He didn't 186 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.159 participate in a lot of sports. He did box a 187 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.720 little bit in the uh you know, he did a 188 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.240 little bit of boxing. But he wasn't He wasn't one 189 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:33.759 of the kids that you know that there was the 190 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:38.240 popular kids. So you know, people knew him, they thought, 191 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.559 you know, they tease him. Maybe he didn't he didn't 192 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:42.320 get you know, didn't get all the girls and that 193 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.799 kind of stuff. But I don't know, it wasn't it 194 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.799 wasn't anything that you know, there was nothing at that 195 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.000 point where it would stand out where he was a 196 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.000 you know, where he was going to be a bad actor. 197 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.360 I mean, you know, so you know he was he 198 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.159 was all right at that point. 199 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.200 Okay, Now he got out to the military in nineteen 200 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:02.919 eighty five, is it? 201 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:04.240 And yeah? 202 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.240 Yeah, and what was he started to work almost immediately? 203 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.519 Was he looking for works? Tell us what happened shortly 204 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:13.799 after getting out of the Marines. 205 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.639 Well, you know, he got back to he got back 206 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:25.320 to Cleveland, you know, you go home, and and he 207 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.200 you know, he was he ran it. He'd always liked 208 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.200 to have a drink, and he always liked to smoke weed. 209 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.919 But by this time, crack had hit the inner city 210 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:39.480 city neighborhoods, and and these these neighborhoods were getting gradually 211 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:44.960 worse and worse and worse. And and so he he 212 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.919 came back and everybody he knew now was smoking crack. 213 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.159 And even the place that he grew up was was 214 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:57.080 filled with drug dealers, and and so he just started, 215 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.960 you know, he was he's like a divorced twenty five 216 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.720 year old guy, and you know, he had at that 217 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:04.360 point he had a seven year old daughter. He had 218 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.799 had out of Woodlock while he was in the Marines 219 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.039 with his high school girlfriend, and he began drinking quite 220 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.639 a bit and it seemed like he was lost. He 221 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.720 you know, he had had an identity identity in the 222 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.799 Marines and now you know, it seemed like he was 223 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.120 starting to get a bit of a head case. He had, 224 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:24.720 you know, every day he was drinking. He moved into 225 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:29.080 the attic of the house that they spent a lot 226 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:30.399 of time and that he kind of grew up in 227 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:35.200 finally at some point and just right down the street 228 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.759 from his from his old high school. And uh, you 229 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.399 know it was it wasn't great. It wasn't great. The 230 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.559 neighborhood was really really really really really bad. He got 231 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.480 arrested shortly after getting out on a domestic violence charge, 232 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:54.679 served eight days and in jail. You know, things were 233 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.279 going going bad for him. 234 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.120 Now, what was he like before he entered the military, 235 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:02.840 like say, when he was a young man, As far 236 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.399 as your research was in your book and after the 237 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:11.399 military as well, in terms of his sexual pro proclivity, it. 238 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:14.639 Was interesting, Yeah, what what what what what was going 239 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.200 on was before he went in as a youth, there 240 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.080 was sexual abuse in the house and and according to 241 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.799 witnesses that is some half half sisters and so on. Uh. 242 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.240 He he was an abuser, a sexual abuser of some 243 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.759 of the girls, some of the siblings and the half 244 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.279 siblings and cousins in the house. So at that point 245 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.480 he had you know, you put it, you put it, 246 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.360 you look at it, and you go, Okay, this guy 247 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.120 had already you know, he had looked it seemed like 248 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:47.440 he was gonna you know, he he he had some problems, 249 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.120 some emotional problems, and obviously you know, he was he 250 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.320 was abusive. It seemed that he kept it there. He 251 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.120 didn't you know, he didn't, he wouldn't act out outside 252 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.879 of that house. But but yeah, so he had some 253 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.039 some some I guess, some aberrant sexual proclivities before he 254 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.440 went in. But again, none of this had ever really 255 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.559 come to the fore. He was never you know, it 256 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:15.639 would never nobody ever noticed it. And I'm guessing he 257 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.759 was in an environment where it didn't matter. Nobody's going 258 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.360 to notice that kind of thing. Yeah, you know, I mean, 259 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.720 and he he he he had Like I said that 260 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:28.360 we had an eighty eight domestic violence charge. His sister 261 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.519 talked about you know how you know, he punched a 262 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.039 girl in the neighborhood. I guess after after he got 263 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.759 out and she had said how he was he was 264 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.200 getting he was getting in trouble now, you know, he's 265 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.200 he got popped for possession of cocaine and he's you know, 266 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.000 public intox disorderly. He was, he was getting, he was 267 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.360 getting in trouble. It was it was heading towards a bad, 268 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:51.120 bad way. 269 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.879 Now after he was done on this downward slide, smoking 270 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.080 crack and and really his life falling apart. Once an 271 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.759 upstanding guy that could, you know, hold down an apartment 272 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:08.519 in the job, and he wasn't doing that anymore. So well, 273 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.320 now what was his sexual proclivity characterized by? Who did 274 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.279 he interact with? Did he have a girlfriend and did 275 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:16.440 he just cheat on his girlfriend? 276 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:16.480 What? 277 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:17.480 What did he do? 278 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.519 Who did he who did he know? Man, he didn't 279 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.080 have any you know, he got out of there and 280 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.480 he didn't really have a girlfriend. He was he was 281 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:28.120 living a street life and and it was going pretty 282 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.279 pretty badly for him, and it kind of hit a wall. 283 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:38.240 Nineteen eighty nine, he in nineteen eighty nine, he assaulted 284 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.519 a woman. He had taken her off the street. Now 285 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.639 it depends on which you believed. But you know, so 286 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.720 this is a this is a woman, and it's in 287 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.679 the book. We you know, we had going to kind 288 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.039 of in depth. I interviewed this woman. This is his 289 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.960 first victim. This is really the first time she'd been interviewed. 290 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.240 I tracked her down in inner city Cleveland. It wasn't 291 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.919 it was. It was tough, and but she told me 292 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:05.320 her story and and then I read the reports. But 293 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.159 what had happened was this woman was was out one morning, 294 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.840 early one morning, after a long night on the town, 295 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.080 ran into soul on the street. And this was to 296 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:18.399 be repeated numerous times then over the next in the future. 297 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.600 And he talked her into coming back to his place. 298 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.120 He had he was living in the upstairs apartment, in 299 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.679 the attic apartment at a house that his that his 300 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.960 family was still living in. You know, a lot of nieces, nephews, etcetera, etcetera. 301 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.600 And and he took her back there, and he got 302 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.519 her in there and he snapped and began to violently 303 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:48.840 attack her. He raped her, repeatedly, tied her up and 304 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:54.200 and it was and and he brutalized her, and she 305 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.159 was lucky enough to escape with her life. 306 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.320 Tell us more about this, because this is telling, because 307 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.320 it is I mean, you know, it is really telling 308 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:06.480 for for his sort of m O and his signature 309 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.680 and everything else I would gather. 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