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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to That's Not Metal. We are

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your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, Hardcore pertinently, I

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guess starting off the news this particular week, we let

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you know everything that's been going on in those worlds

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in the past week. And we also here today for

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our final reviews bag of twenty twenty four. We actually

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left it slightly later than we might usually because we

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are literally going to ride straight from here into album

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of the year content as suit of December hits. But

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don't jump to that straight away, because we do have

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a last round of records to go all in about,

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and they are not slouches ones that you should be

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just forgetting about at the end of the year either,

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So I'll let you know what those are in just

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a moment. But my name is Peren Heish. Sam Dignon

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is who is here with me to do with this?

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Speaker 4: How are you doing? Sam?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna mean, I've been a bit ill for

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the last couple of days, but I'm bouncing back and

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just you know, ready to talk about some big old

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album that.

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Speaker 1: Just from being around all the gen z folks at

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are Joey Vaalanson Bray.

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Speaker 2: That might that may well have been it, you know,

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going see Jamal Lanson Ray, who were absolutely amazing live.

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They are like the real deal, so much fun. They've

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already got, Like I said, a twenty song set list

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of basically all hits powerfuct an hour, and I said,

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the best.

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Speaker 3: Time that might be, or it might have been at

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all the all the metal core.

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Speaker 4: Kids at very Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's a medal called kids the Metalcore thirty year

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olds who are just make up that band sund based now.

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But you know those two gigs, both very different, both enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: In their own Wayeah, there you go, pick your demographic

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you think you're most likely to have developed a disease from.

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I've got a very good weekend coming up when I'm

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going to be seeing both Enter Shaikhari and Holder of

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the Nice couple of days I have ahead of me,

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but ahead of us right now on this schedule. As said,

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for our final reviews bag of twenty twenty four, we

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are going to be talking about the new albums from

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a little band called Lincoln Park, a little band called

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The Cure, a slightly more little band but still kind

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of sizable band, Opeth, Better Lovers, Many Eyes, Tribulation, and

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Neon Nightmare, and before we get that, we also have

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I guess our last news roundup of the year. Anything

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happens after this point, well we'll get to it in January.

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Speaker 4: But it's not a bad slate.

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Speaker 1: Of news either in terms of some really exciting stuff

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that's happened, some exciting news and.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff from my end of things, like it's been

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an exciting couple of days on that front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I guess we'll just start with the

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thing that happens that everyone on you know, the timeline

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has been talking about, which is not Loose playing Jimmy

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Kimmel playing their song Suffocate. I guess, you know, just

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newly nominated for a Grammy. So that's the push there,

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but with you know, Poppy running out for the guest

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feature as well. And this has been all anyone who

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wanted to talk about for the past couple days, I

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suppose because it's weird this because when like we got

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the announcement they would be on Jimmy Kmble last week,

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and I wasn't surprised because I don't know something about

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the last few years of how like the platform that

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hardcore bands have, you know, managed to be given again

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I can't recall an exact list of what bands have played,

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what shows or whatever, but like, you know, bands like

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big American late night shows and stuff like that. Even

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a band as heavy as not Loose, they are clearly

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so popular and so one of the bands of the

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moment that I was like, yeah, it makes sense. So

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I saw the announcement and I bizarrely, I don't know,

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was cool, but I wasn't like this would be you know,

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me just watching it on YouTube that I I genuinely

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feel from like and no seeing them be announced.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the things I was like, oh yeah, cool, No,

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this feels like the year they've had, they they've riding away. Then,

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twenty tens. This sting would happen really quite common. There

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would just be the metalcore band of the moment who

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released their album, they were on one of these talk

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sort of come back to it, but not close.

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Speaker 3: It felt so natural doing it. I was like, this

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year old who's just watching Jimmy Kill was about to

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have their life change, and I was like, I think

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that could be it. But then yeah, when it came

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to the actual performance, seeing them on there look in

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the business and it not being the sanded down kind

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of like for TV not Lose. They had Piro, the

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crowd was fucking going for it, and then after the beat,

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Brian letting out that pig squeel, and I was just like,

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this is this is what I've been waiting for.

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Speaker 3: This is what we've been needing.

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Speaker 2: Again, just a moment of like genuine extremity on mainstream

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think incredible stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I think part of my again, my initial kind

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of reaction to them being booked, maybe it's because again,

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like you know, I'm English, I don't really know much

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of the difference between like a Jimmy Kimmel and a

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Jimmy Fallon or a Seth Myers or whatever like pup

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Speaker 4: The day, didn't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I could definitely tell from the video clip

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here that this is one of like the biggest ones

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that they could feasibly do, Like that outdoor there was

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Speaker 2: Outdoor stage in the rain and the crowd don't give

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a crowd are like fuck it, this is not.

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Speaker 1: Like and the sight of them, like you know, on

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that big stage on TV with the pyro going off,

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and then as you say, the rain just like adding

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to it. At the point there's there's a brilliant shot

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in the clip where the cameraman is I guess, like

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you know, down below aiming up at Brian as he

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does the pig squeal and the rain is visible in

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front of him, and it's just like, this is just

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one of the most carnage fueled, epic things that had

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surely ever played on something like this. And you know,

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there's been so much praise going not Lose his Way

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over the course this year for being a band who

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are breaking certain ceilings without honing away their you know,

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their their heaviness and their weirdness, like at all, if anything,

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only you know, dialing that more in and seeing that

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happen like this was. It's it's one those moments along

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with like gadjear at the Olympics this year, that you

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can like just show people and be like, look how

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cool this is? You know, isn't this awesome? And just

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the energy raiding out of it was serious. So that

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was like amazingly cool to see. As you also said,

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their kind of next year planned this week because we

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have received two lineup announcements from Outbreak. The first is

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for the main Outbreak, you know, Manchester, based of all

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that has has been kind of said this year, is

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taking place over two days this year, the Manchester part

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of this and it is headlined by Knocked Loose, Alex

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G and Slow Dive, which is three bands you could

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only ever put neck culture that I guess Outbreak. I mean,

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like a more like a singer songwriter type guy.

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Gay's legends OG that's kind of cool. And then over

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the rest of the lineup just some of the things

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that pop out Sunny Day Real Estate, which would I

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guess we'll talk about more and My Moment because they're

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on the other one as well. But God's Hate are

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there at the Manchester show, Death Heaven are there at

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the Manchester Show again, and I guess that like in

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a weird way, Death Heaven is like what's slipping here

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for what is on the London show. The London show

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ever rock or metal show. And it has a lot

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of the same bands, not all of them, like God's

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of the same bands, but it is topped off by Turnstile.

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only available for that day. I don't know what exactly

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else they are doing. Maybe we will see, but there

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is this bizarre splitting of the Outbreak kind of demographic

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expose into two different dates with mostly the same but

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slightly different stuff. I either side, I guess as someone

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who in theory would have the capability to go to both,

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and the kind of division of them or so firstly.

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Speaker 2: On the division thing, it's worth mentioning that Outbreak London

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a little bit of controversy as

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well about the fact that the London show has to

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have a barrier, which whether like Victoria Park or ever

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have gone, you can't do this here. If you have

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a barrier that does remove some of the outbreaking the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's actually part of this event, Lido Festival,

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a bit like All Point these kind of things. It's

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part of this Lido festival thing, but it's a day

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that's been curated by Outbreak. So again I don't know

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for sure. My guess is at this point is that

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this life festval is going to be booking Turnstile for

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Speaker 1: They ye, that's cool if Outbreak have almost been given

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the curation role of like yeah and do something.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it feels more like is Outbreak have

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kind of been like collaborated with to kind of put

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of all, that is pushing cool, new exciting music and

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they've kind of part of Outbreak. So for me, an

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the London date this year just because of the other

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big shows and other things I've got going on around

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the summer. It's a convenience thing. I also really really

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really want to see Turnstile and the other. If this

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one band hadn't been on the London deck, no, they've

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on which is sunny Day Real Estate. As you've mentioned,

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they're playing their first UK shows in fifteen years.

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makes them They're in the poison the world. They're the

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poison the world of this year's outbreak, of the long

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overdue returning bands who haven't played the UK and ages,

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his own show, so here on this are line up

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they are on the undercard in the London one, and

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there is still more to come.

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Speaker 3: Again, the Barrier situation.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the price I have to pay if I

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want to go to a big outdoor hardcore show without

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having to go all the way to Manchester for it.

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I'm still weighing up potentially hopping on an overnight National

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Express or getting a train early in the morning to

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do the Manchister as well. That's kind of a bit

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of up the debate at the moment. But I think

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just looking at both these lineups again, Outbreak are offering

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something that no other festival can offer or is choosing

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to offer that.

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Speaker 3: You look at the Magic headline, there's this whole not

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Loose Alex G Slow Dive.

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Speaker 2: That's a kind of like really nice kind of cross

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section of all the areas, Like Outbreak are kind of

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playing with slow Dive, you know, the Shu gay Ze.

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Most stuff that you've got that they're knock loose are like,

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I mean, that's not loose. The day before this, Jimmy

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kimmelset goes live and everyone kind of goes, holy shit,

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look at not Loose Live's that's like a no brainer.

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I think, like really strong that there's definitely seems to

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be a bigger hardcore focus of the Manchester one so

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I wonder if the London one is going to actually

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not have as much hardcore, but it's still cool to

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see Outbreak as festival kind of making bigger moves and

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looking to expand. It's kind of branding reputation and off

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of something that that is sort of unique to them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean she mentioned actually Slow Diver on the Manchester

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date but not the London date. But I didn't even

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like put it together. But yeah, like Turnstile and Knocked

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Loose in one day on the that London one is like,

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you know, the two enormous you know on the up

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Parkle bands of that generation. So that's a big model

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actress as well, which is we spoke about that record

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on that Yeah, we did it on the album Roulette

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with Alice different Ashenspire, which you went on the episode,

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but we did say SA would like the record.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever check that out?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I did that.

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Speaker 2: I was it was very cool. Yeah, quite different. But

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I also anyone was like, was that oh yeah, that

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was that band that was on the.

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Speaker 4: So that's fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously line up wise, it's it's looking

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really really good. I guess the question is there was

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a lot of like, oh my god, Outbreak is clashing

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with download? What does that mean in terms of sales

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or anything. I think me and you are on the

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same page that it basically means fuck all in terms

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of sales, because they're completely different, demographic different. But the

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more pressing concern is Outbreak competing with themselves. Does the

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fact that there are two Outbreak days, one in London

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and one in the North do you feel like that

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at all will play into I don't know the success

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of either event.

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Speaker 2: I mean I did see a lot of people being like,

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why do I have to travel to London see Turst.

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I was like, suck it up. I've had to travel

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to Manaster every year for Outbreak. It happens, you're going

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to travel for some shows. I do think there will

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there will definitely be a lot of people who will

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do both. There will be some people who just go.

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I mean, if one's going to lose out, I think

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it might be the London one in terms of the

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core Outbreakordians. But I also think the London one might

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be looking to appeal to UE to not the Outbreak

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Ordians in the way, even though it's an Outbreak show,

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Because again, all the London casuals.

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Speaker 4: Who aren't going to travel to the big one.

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Speaker 2: But also it has turst Off, who are a bigger

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band who appeal beyond hardcore. It's part of another kind

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of festivent that's going to be promoting it in a

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field where Outbreak wouldn't be promoting. So I think it's

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going to be a different thing. But I think that's right.

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They've get more competition for themselves. I hope that both

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events go amazingly and pull in huge crowd and everyone

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has a great time, Like and Outbreak. Can s trot

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this up as a winning their column for trying for

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different expanding and if not, then they'll probably just go

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back to just running bowlers and I'll be fine with that.

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Speaker 3: I'll travel up that next year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: An announcement that came this week that I just thought

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was absolutely mind blowing, but it's really wonderful is that

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power Wolf are going to be co headlining grass Pop

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Festival in Belgium with Iron Maiden. If you wondered how

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Europe was doing and where power Wolf are out over there,

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make it happen over here. I say, something that is

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happening over here is the news that Electric call Boy

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are playing a date at Alexandra Palace in London next

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year as part of a larger, you know, big European tour,

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and Sam you are on record very regularly as being

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not at all that electrical cor boy.

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Speaker 4: But isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Wild that that band who used to be you know

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that other different name are now there where you saw

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fucking I know Jimmy Wilder every the week.

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Speaker 2: Like I've kind of I don't know, I've given up

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this fight. But when you look at the step of

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a male core bands and I'm like, you know what,

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let call Boy be big there at least they at

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least have a personality and they're doing something different, I

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still think it's rubbish, but you know it's it's it's

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it's huge Now I don't have the energy and meters

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sort of carry on doing it when there are greater

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evils out there and an Electric call Boy. So good

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for them. I hope everyone who goes has a lot

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of fun time dancing to their silly music.

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Speaker 1: Here here I agree with with with all of that

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belief from within who are also their supporting step not

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on their UK dates very very soon, but beyond that,

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over that particular hill. They have announced their largest ever

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Europe and UK tour dates Here in the UK they're

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can be playing the O two Kentish Town four in London,

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along with other dates in Manchester and Glasgow. That is

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the idea of bleaking within playing the forum almost has

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crept up on me, like that feels quite large. So

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good for them if that is to you know, sell

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very well and and and go accordingly. Arch Enemy I've

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also announced a really big European tour next year, and

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I am I'm I'm an arch Enemy fan, but I'm

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an Arch Enemy fan who has like seen them, you know,

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so many times and doing kind of largely similar shows

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that I think in order to like really get me

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to be like, yeah, I need to see Arch Enemy

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again would be if they brought a really big great

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bill with them and they are bringing with them a

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morphous elevatey and gate Creeper, which Gate Creeper do stick

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out like a sore thumb there, But you know, there's

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a melodethie a morphous influence on that new record, for sure.

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I've got a real soft bot for Elevator. They're one

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of my favorites of that particular kind of crowd of

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like two thousands folk metal bands, one of the more

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serious ones. Sam They're not you know, they're not a

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Fintrol or whatever, and a MorphOS are like, you know,

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the classic band on that line. So like if you

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are into you know, kind of European style melodic heavy

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metal with Gatecreeper on fucking opening that bill as well, Like,

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that's genuinely a really stat time and may be very

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very tempting. Indeed, we have the exciting news that Saxon's

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Wheels of Steel tour is going.

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Speaker 4: To be hitting the UK.

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Speaker 1: That already, that's the European dates for that, but if

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you want to see them doing Wheels are Steel in

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full along with a selection of tracks from hell Fire

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and Damnation of this year, they're going to be playing

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a good ten dates in the UK and Ireland in

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November of next year. Employed to Serve have announced this

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is quite brilliant because I'm don't quote me on this,

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I may be wrong, but I feel like I remember

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them saying the Damnation show, this is our last show

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of twenty twenty four, so I get the inkling that

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this has been offered quite last minute and they've gone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, why not.

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Speaker 1: Employees are going to be opening two shows for Usk

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you Alexandria in the UK next month in Norwich and Birmingham.

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If you're going to those two dates, as everything unfolded,

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band who are in between them, which means employed to serve,

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are thoroughly the scariest band on that bill, and I say,

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go for it. Embrace that role of being like, yeah,

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will be the scariest nliest band on this bill.

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Speaker 2: What a mad Sammy and Justin bullying that crowd in

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the way that they are known to like that they

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are because you know what they will, they will pick

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on a crowd to get them involved. And sam in Justina,

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I would like to see that like, you know what, Yeah,

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you're right, be the scariest band.

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Speaker 4: Go for it.

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Speaker 1: The idea that a Daddy Warsknop is going to have

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just einan savvy as you say, coming out on the

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stage first thing is so wild but very very funny. Indeed,

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there's been a good run of Incineration Festival announcements recently.

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Incineration is the fest next year that has the the

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you know UK absolute elsewhere show for Blood and Cantation.

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It has tripped to con before me a Celtic Frost set.

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A whole bunch of good stuff's been added on there.

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It's been adding quite a lot of death metal recently,

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like them, so that's your sanctuary on their Cryptopsy got

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added which who I've never seen before, so that's exciting.

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But there will a really good black metal announcement today

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with Lamp of Murmur being added to that bill as well,

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which yes, I will take like the fucking fourth UK

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Lamp of Murma show that I've managed to catch, but

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one of the best, you know, black metal bands in

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the world today. That's very, very exciting. Quite surprising news

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I found is that Jason Evans, the like forever frontman

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of the Manchester slam Brutal DEATHMTAL band Ingested, split with

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them this week and they're going to be in a

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continuing on as a band and I don't know, he's like,

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he's the guy who I envision in Ingested and Ingested

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are one of the first like three Ingested albums I

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was like really really big on. They have kind of

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moved in a direction that I am less keeping tabs

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on these days where it's become a lot more I

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don't know, a lot more serious, like a lot more

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kind of clean, techie that style of death metal, rather

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than like the shit I really loved from Ingested. But yeah,

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really like surprising news that interest The are gonna be

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moving on with a different front man, because, as I said,

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he's been the guy forever. Berry Tomorrow have announced that

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their new album is going to be coming out in

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May of next year. There's a single out from that,

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There's I haven't seen the track list here, but I

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presume there was a couple of other things as they

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put out already, haven't they, So I would make the

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guess that they will be on that record. I don't

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really want to talk about the single here. What I

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am most interested and kind of highlighted here is that

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the album is called will You Haunt Me? With that

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same patience and the album cover. You know, I feel

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like we wraggle on this certain group of bands who

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are making certain choices quite a lot. And I don't

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mean to just like, you know, repeatedly beat the same

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kind of dead horse. But I was thrown for such

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a loop by seeing this album cover with that title on,

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because the album cover is this kind of, you know,

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same kind of artsy photograph of you know, like a

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room with a couple of figures in with the album

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title with the same font in the middle that just

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reeks of like bad omens Sleep Tooken, like Holding Absence one,

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I guess, like you know the Loathe album that I

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can never remember the title of, so just in my

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head is the Loathe album, you know, But like there's

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this certain aesthetic and kind of I don't know, cadence

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of language that this group of kind of more trendy

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modern bands users like you know, the Holding Absence but

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like the greatest mistake of my life or whatever, Like

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as I said, the Loathe album are it took everything? Yeah,

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the the you know, the sleep token. This will be

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your tomb whatever, And they will have this same kind

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of like stark art housey.

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Speaker 3: It's like minimalism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this I don't seeing Barry Tomorrow. Did this

477
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,720
album cover just gave me such bad vibes? You know

478
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,119
they will have the same. I mean, I'm never gonna

479
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,359
like this is not how you get an iconic album title,

480
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:45,559
you know what I mean? Like I've already fucking forgotten

481
00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,480
what this title is. This same like, you know, would

482
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:50,200
you still poo poo with the lights on if I

483
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,279
do do in the dark, the same fucking kind of

484
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,680
just overly wordy, pretentious kind of language with as said,

485
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,240
the same kind of like art how stock photo on it.

486
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,319
You know, I haven't heard the album yet, maybe it'll

487
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,960
be great whatever. I can't say anything about that just yet,

488
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,079
but I can say that just seeing this album cover

489
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,519
just it it feels bad in a way that is,

490
00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,400
I know, quite hard to put a pin on, but

491
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,920
just in a when you see bands doing what everyone

492
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,519
around them is doing. That's the vibe I get from

493
00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:24,119
this album cover.

494
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 4: And I don't like it.

495
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know you do, but like going

496
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,480
off of the Lasting in particular, it's got a bit

497
00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,119
of that sound to it going on as well. When

498
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,799
I was like just I was like, do I want

499
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:38,319
Barry to Night to be doing this when they always

500
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,599
kind of like march their own beat and we're very

501
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,559
individualistic in a time where a lot without chasing trends,

502
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:45,039
so we'll see.

503
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, very much so.

504
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,519
Speaker 1: But just I was just so taken aback by that

505
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,799
title and Carver. I was like, Wow, you're really We're

506
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:54,519
all just doing that, aren't we. Oliver have been releasing

507
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,200
almost the whole year, a series of singles that they

508
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,319
always said was kind of you know, they're just putting

509
00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:00,920
them out as they go along, but eventually it would

510
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,920
sort of largely formulate an album. They've taken that kind

511
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,880
of particular route this time. I do think it's worth

512
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,119
reporting that, you know, today as this goes out. Friday

513
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240
the twenty ninth, the actual Ulva album, consisting of about

514
00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:12,759
ten songs or so that they've kind of a mathed

515
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:15,400
over the year, is out, and so I definitely need

516
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960
to go listen to the Ulva album this weekend because

517
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,319
the last couple are amazing. But you know, if you're

518
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,240
interested in new Ulva, they do have an album out today,

519
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,920
an Electric Wizard. I've also announced a live album called

520
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440
Black Magic, Rituals and Perversions, Volume one. It's going to

521
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,000
be out on December thirteenth, Happy Birthday to Me, and

522
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:37,799
it is. They've described it as basically being a something

523
00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:40,519
that they recorded onto a sixteen track tape in their

524
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:44,359
rehearsal room, I think during COVID, and I got really

525
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,039
excited by that because I was like, yeah, like I

526
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:50,839
want it to sound absolutely awful, Like I want this

527
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,480
to be like just the grimiest, rawest like electronically. Yeah,

528
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,039
And I got sent the promo for this, and the

529
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,759
track I checked out actually sounded less shitty than I

530
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,559
wanted to, Like I really wanted like the live and

531
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,759
Leipzig style Electric Wizard live album treatment. But I guess

532
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,960
for most normal people that would probably be an endorsement

533
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,720
that is going to sound pretty fucking good. But you know,

534
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,880
the track list is eight of the best doo metal

535
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,039
songs ever recorded. It's been a long time since Electric

536
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,359
Wizard have released anything of much kind of weight, really,

537
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,039
so it's going to be exciting to give that particular.

538
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 4: One a spin.

539
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,599
Speaker 1: So I guess before we get into the meat of

540
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,640
this episode, we should shout out what we've been doing

541
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,720
on the Patreon this past week, because we have for

542
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,759
the past two weeks, I guess, been putting together a

543
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,599
fucking substantial special over on over there where we do

544
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,240
our full, you know, proper deep, lengthy musical dives. We

545
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,240
did it, as you probably may know if you've listened

546
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,440
to the last couple of episodes here on the year

547
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:52,559
twenty fourteen, really traversing what was going on in heavy

548
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,079
music in that year, all of the trends, checking on

549
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,039
every single scene. The first part we did was largely

550
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,200
about like the really big visible end of metal. This

551
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,480
second part was essentially ended up being divided into two

552
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,160
parts because we had a part that was all about

553
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200
you know, kind of punk rock and alternative rock and

554
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,799
emo and that kind of thing, more mainstream rock as well,

555
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,839
and then a part that was all about the the underground.

556
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:18,680
We went through kind of all of the you know,

557
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,880
other big publications like albums of the year and saw

558
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,559
if they held up or not. Spoilers, the Rolling Stone

559
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,079
one is the one that does not hold up the most.

560
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,680
That the one I was most shocked to see when

561
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,960
we put out like the thumbnail for the first part,

562
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,599
with all the little, you know, silly images we put

563
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,759
on there on genuinely multiple people comment on that, being like,

564
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:39,799
where's the Satanist? Why is the Satanist not here? And

565
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,799
I was like, guys, it's coming, dot worry. Let's we

566
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,400
did here in this part talk about of course the Satanist.

567
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,319
We have I think the most fun Nickelback album to

568
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,359
talk about in my personal experience. If you want to

569
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,240
know what twenty fourteen brit rock albums Sam and Mark

570
00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,759
hate that, I defend in a switch to the usual

571
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,200
state to quote one of that is in there, and

572
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,119
we also have again the kind of latter part of it,

573
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,359
one of the biggest extreme underground roundups that we're ever

574
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,759
likely to do at all, because countless albums that year

575
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,599
that I would describe as like legit classics of their scene.

576
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,960
And then at the very end of it, we all

577
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:19,920
four of us who are on that all picked our

578
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920
own album of the year for that year, and that

579
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:26,759
was again kind of really in depth talk as well,

580
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,319
because we all have strong connections to whatever our album

581
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,000
of the year was that year. And as has been

582
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,559
kind of requested, we also made available with the you know,

583
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,880
the Patreon upload a big playlist of every album that

584
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,039
was mentioned in the special, almost every album, but it

585
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,839
means that it's probably the only players on Spotify that

586
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,599
features both like five seconds of Summer and sun I

587
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,200
guess like it. You know, last time I asked you

588
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,559
what in you know, this last kind of session that

589
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,720
we did, what albums were did you listen to? Where

590
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:00,200
you were like, oh, this is a real trip down

591
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,799
memory lane.

592
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: I mean part of the brick the brit Rock one

593
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,160
was kind of like that, because again that was the

594
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,519
other obviously where metalcore was like my big kind of

595
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,079
thing that the brit rock and emo stuff was where

596
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
I lived. The one for me though it was actually

597
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,119
was the Satst which again probably like in terms of

598
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,599
extreme metalams I really I really loved. It's probably the

599
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,200
second one after the Wild Time. It's all come out

600
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
and go, God, this is this and this makes extreme

601
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,680
metal makes sense to me, and kind of thinking back

602
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,400
to when I first heard Blow or Trumps Gaby and

603
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,920
it would be like, fuck me, this is like the

604
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,359
real deal that and then probably the weird and wonderful

605
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680
Marmosets going back to that album and just again just

606
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,799
being like, oh, this is changing the game in brit rock.

607
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,839
Speaker 3: This is like the new bar that bands.

608
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,799
Speaker 2: Should aspire to to do something that is like catching

609
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,160
and so interesting. Sopil a character the same old like

610
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,759
beij stuff that I actually really like a lot of it.

611
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,279
It's not gonna hold up anymore, and a lot of

612
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:54,599
those bands it did hold up anymore in the wake

613
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:54,839
of that.

614
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,079
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, there was there was a lot.

615
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of extreme metal which

616
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,640
I was going like, not a clue what you want

617
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,000
about here?

618
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: And it was a busy Me and elliots extensive list.

619
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,079
Speaker 2: You and Elliott were like, yeah, gorgeous, there's there's there's

620
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,119
some albums there that I need to probably find some

621
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,440
time because they sound like they could be stuff certainly

622
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:13,079
I do.

623
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: Vibe with at some point.

624
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I personally it's this and this, I guess reinforced

625
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:22,640
that for me, the shearer amount we had. I would

626
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,640
say it's my personal favorite music year that I have

627
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,720
like actually like you know, lived through and kind of

628
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480
engage with in that sense, like the best year that

629
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,319
I can remember for the sheer amount of albums I

630
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,599
love and how much I love them. They were all

631
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,599
in this special and that made it really special and unbelievable,

632
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,440
And if you want to hear all of that, then

633
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,559
you can go to patron dot com slash That's not Mattle.

634
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:44,599
This year template, I think, is one that we are

635
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,599
gonna obviously we'll be doing another one fucking straight away,

636
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,160
but it is one that we will stick with and

637
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,079
we will return to it again in a completely different

638
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,240
era as well. So if you want to hear that

639
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,920
enormous piece of work, which everybody's been very kind about,

640
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,880
then that's my Patreon is the play to go. I

641
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:05,279
also should point out right now that if you are

642
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,000
listening to this on you know, February, fucking will, that'd

643
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,559
be weird to listen to February when you the twenty ninth.

644
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,160
I don't know why I said February, the twenty ninth

645
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,599
of November. As this goes out, then the album of

646
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,519
the Year listener poll for the listener album of the

647
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:26,279
year is opening up. Now what you need to do

648
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,119
is the main I guess poll comments poll will be

649
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,319
in the that some metal focus group on Facebook, which

650
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:33,640
are the same place where we go to ask for

651
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,839
questions for the show and stuff like that. If you

652
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,599
go over there, there will be a pinned post with

653
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
the kind of suggestion of how to lay out your

654
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,279
your records and so on, and you just need to

655
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,720
comment your top twenty albums of the year under that.

656
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,000
If you do not have Facebook because you know, like

657
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,039
fuck the cirk or whatever, then you can, you know,

658
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,039
you can get it to us by other social channels.

659
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:57,160
You can like dm us on you know, Twitter or Instagram,

660
00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:58,920
or you know, if you are a member of the

661
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480
TNM Patreon disc you can pop it in there and

662
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:04,119
we will count it as well. Just get us through

663
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,880
those various means which everyone is easiest for you your top

664
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
twenty albums of the year, and they will factor into

665
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,799
the poll. There will be rules, you know on that

666
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,680
the Facebook post of how to format your albums, like

667
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400
you know, twenty down to one, so on whatever, please

668
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,240
follow those rules. Do not be the person who is different.

669
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,559
Look how everyone else is doing it, and do it

670
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,559
like they're doing it, because if you are different, it

671
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,319
is just very very annoying for us compiling all together.

672
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,920
So please be considerate in that guard. But it's not

673
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,240
too hard, is it. And you have got about two

674
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,240
weeks to do this. There will be a closing date

675
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,200
listed as part of that as well, but you know

676
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,599
it's not even needed for like next week when we

677
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,039
start our arm the other thing that you'll be on

678
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,119
the show after that, So you've got a couple of

679
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,039
weeks to put this together. We are just opening the

680
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,000
voting now. So if you do not have your top

681
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,559
twenty albums of the year ready, right the fuck now,

682
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,720
that's fine, you know, just go and have a thing

683
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,440
and get back to us within you know, the couple

684
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,519
of weeks and you can give us those when you

685
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,720
are ready, and that will mean that it will get

686
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,279
counted into the listener album of the poll. It's a great

687
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:09,759
help for us because if no one voted, then we

688
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:11,480
wouldn't have a fucking list to read out to you,

689
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,480
would we. And yeah, very very curious to see how

690
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,680
all that comes out this year. But go ahead, have

691
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,279
a think, come back, do that before you go and

692
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,559
do that, you should, I guess, give some consideration to

693
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,279
the albums that we are about to talk about in

694
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,000
this our final reviews show of twenty twenty four. There

695
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,519
might be some albums you haven't heard. I would make

696
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,200
a wager that the first album we're going to talk

697
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,519
about is probably the one you are perhaps most likely

698
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,599
to have heard. Well, you're going to start with a

699
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,920
new album from Lincoln Park called from Xenu. Oh sorry, sorry,

700
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,079
I mean from Zero. Okay, So it's it's fun somehow

701
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,160
that we can start our final review show of the

702
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,440
year with the single biggest rock album of the year.

703
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,599
Like this really has been staged, And I'd like to

704
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:00,599
point out it hasn't always been like this for Lincoln Park,

705
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880
like Lincoln Parker, like the obviously massive Forever, but not

706
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,319
every album they've released has been positioned as like the

707
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,000
big unmissible rock event of the year, the way that

708
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,640
it absolutely has been this time. The whole comeback of

709
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Lincoln Park has made them, for as much as they've

710
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,240
always been big, undeniably a much much bigger deal now

711
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,200
than they have been in many years, right, biggest they've

712
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,039
been since like the mid to late naughties.

713
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: I'd say, on like Minutes to Midnight where they were

714
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,400
the Transformers band two, We're everywhere, Like.

715
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's huge, all of those sottled out stadium

716
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:36,440
shows and everything. The breakthrough of singles from this onto

717
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,640
like actual pop charts again when no one does that anymore.

718
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,920
Everything about this has been pushed in a way that

719
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,880
is telling you that Lincoln Park are literally the biggest

720
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,920
rock band in the world again in a way that

721
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,960
they haven't been, which I guess that mindset is how

722
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,920
I suppose I'm coming into this album. It's less so

723
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,599
actually the emotional narrative of them having lost Chester, because

724
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,759
let's be frank here, I find it difficult to have

725
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,680
much emotional investment in how this Linkin Park reunion goes

726
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,680
because i'd like, you know, like peak at their best.

727
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Lincoln Park, I think is great and in some sense

728
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,519
it's nice having them around when they're operating at their

729
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,960
higher levels, you know. And the loss of Chester Bennington

730
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,599
was like, of course, like a real one that I

731
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,079
think hit a lot of us, even those who weren't

732
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960
you know, like Megger hardcore linking part fans. I think

733
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,240
it hit a lot of people harder than we may

734
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,160
have expected, losing Chester the way that we did, but

735
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,519
then the way Lincoln Park have come back with Emily

736
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:43,000
Armstrong who immediately within hours of the announcement was outed

737
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,960
as a probable member of the Church of Scientology, an

738
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:51,079
organization with various serious accusations of bigotry and sexual criminality

739
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,119
and whatever else. Kind of leveled at it, not to

740
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,599
mention the dealers to jgitimization of mental health, which is

741
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,880
a particular thing with you know, stepping into the shoes

742
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,559
of Chester and her having appeared in support of the

743
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480
rapist Danny Masterson his trial, all that stuff. The controversy

744
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,440
was cedric from at the drive in kind of slamming

745
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,079
and discrediting her like public statesment that she made on

746
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,960
the matter. There was the controversy with Chester Bennington's son

747
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,679
calling them out on it. We just it's so much

748
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,079
to deal with that. We had the conversation on the

749
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,559
news show that week where we basically just kind of

750
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,440
washed our hands and said, we don't know how the

751
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,519
fuck these multimillionaire members of the Hollywood elite think, Like,

752
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,079
we don't know what train of thought led them to

753
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,679
that situation and that choice. We don't know how they

754
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,440
internalize or interact with what normal people think of that

755
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,800
kind of action. You don't know what conversations or connections

756
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,400
have been had kind of behind closed doors. And ultimately

757
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,920
I always felt before hearing this album that engaging with

758
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,599
it on the level of had they chosen to like

759
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,760
largely posit it as I don't know, a tribute to

760
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,599
Chester or whatever, it would be difficult to take one

761
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,960
hundred percent in that way. And like, you know, like

762
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440
much Shoda or whoever it is in the band, Like

763
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,719
I'm I'm sure that they do think about losing their

764
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,920
friend and whatever else, Like I would never say anything

765
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,719
like that to the country. But also this album doesn't

766
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,760
majorly feel like a Black Gis Way to Blue or

767
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,159
like you know, the Gray Chapter or whatever, where it

768
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,760
has the clear energy of like being haunted or wounded

769
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,920
by something like that, that's just not the way they

770
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,840
seem to have put this album together. It carries itself

771
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,760
in a different way. And by the time they'd released

772
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,400
the second single from this, they were making it a

773
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,360
legal Legends promotion. So I am not really judging it

774
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,079
in that sense. I am judging it more as here

775
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,079
is a new set of songs by mega massive band

776
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:39,760
linkin Park.

777
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: Is that clear?

778
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,039
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's family. I agree.

779
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,199
Speaker 2: I think this album has very much like there are

780
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,599
definite moments where it feels like there is you know,

781
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,800
some reference to Chesta and the sort of passing on

782
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,320
of things and all that. That's not to say the

783
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,519
album is completely divorced with that, but it does feel

784
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,320
a lot more like a kind of like we've not

785
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,440
been an active band for seven, eight how many years,

786
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,159
we're now getting back at it. This is a new

787
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:06,760
set of songs to sort of start a new era,

788
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,280
just after a long long absence, regardless of the reason.

789
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 3: And they have, you know then just kind of like

790
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,880
pushed on.

791
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: The songs are just you know, getting massive alia play

792
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,760
that they're like say League of Legends World Championship soundtrack

793
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,039
sort of material. It's all just feeling very much like

794
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:24,840
a this is just Lincoln Park coming back to be

795
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,719
a huge band. I wish something didn't have the baggage

796
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960
that surrounds it with Emily, because I wish I could

797
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,360
talk about a returnal Linker Park album purely on the

798
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,559
merit of yeah that is offered because Linkol Park are

799
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,719
a hugely important band to me. I fell off with

800
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,800
them towards the end of the twenty tens when they

801
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,280
were releasing One More Light. I don't subscribe to the

802
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,679
revisionism around that album that came in the way of

803
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,559
just as like really tragic passing, and I understand that

804
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,800
that I'm gained a different emotional weight in sort of

805
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,360
the after math of that. I still don't think it's

806
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,239
a very good album, and I think it's almost like

807
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,880
disrespectful to kind of like pretend that you always liked

808
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,599
when everyone was shitting on that album a lot of

809
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,480
the time. So I was ready to just kind of

810
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,280
like take on a new look back and go, Okay,

811
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,719
this is the band I used to love and have

812
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,559
love for a long while. How is it stacking up?

813
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,679
There is all of the other baggage.

814
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm parking all of that baggage at the door

815
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,159
now for the rest of this review, Yes, but I'm

816
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,840
just saying, you know, it's worth acknowledging and also worth

817
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,519
pointing out or recognizing how it may majorly interfere with

818
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,360
the genuine emotional connection that someone may form with an

819
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,360
album like this if there's stuff like that around it.

820
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,639
As I said on that terms, I'm just treating as okay,

821
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,760
Lincoln Parker being positioned as the biggest band in the

822
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,519
world again, does this album you know merit that? And

823
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,360
my mind goes back to again just by chance, We've

824
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,239
been recording the Patreon specials on the year twenty fourteen

825
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,599
the last couple of weeks, and Lincoln park released an

826
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,360
album that year called The Hunting Party that we spoke about,

827
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,280
and that album is low down on the list of

828
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,519
things that spring into your mind when you think of

829
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,440
the biggest album the twenty fourteen like it's almost completely

830
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,119
forgotten about. And you know, the other guys on the

831
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,679
special had negative things to say about that album, the

832
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,000
things about it that don't work or were bad ideas,

833
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:15,159
And I don't necessarily disagree with those points, but because

834
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,760
that album has a good like three four songs on

835
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,119
it that I think are of a decent quality. I

836
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,159
would say it's my favorite Lincoln Park album of the

837
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,079
twenty tens era. That album was almost immediately forgotten about

838
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,599
in the year it was released twenty fourteen. As we

839
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,599
said when they headlined download that year, it was all

840
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,639
about the fact they were doing hybrid theory, nothing about

841
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:33,800
the fact that they were on this new album, The

842
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,400
Hunting Party, and so that album is not positioned by

843
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,599
all of us as the most significant rock band in

844
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,000
the world Lincoln Park releasing their new album, this album

845
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,119
is positioned like that, and yet I think it has

846
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:50,239
a hit rate almost exactly like no better than The

847
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,239
Hunting Party.

848
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,599
Speaker 4: I see where you're coming from.

849
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: I think this is the quite comfortably the best link

850
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,639
of Park have been since, at the very least of Suns.

851
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,800
I'm a bigger thousand Suns defender. There are problems I

852
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,079
recognize with this album, but every time I listens, kind

853
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:11,639
of go like, I've just found some like outside of

854
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,920
the baggage quite hard to dislike.

855
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually quite surprised by by that, because I think

856
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,639
it's you. It's barely over half an hour of I

857
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,119
like that about it. Yeah, well, I mean in theory

858
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:27,599
I do as well. Barely a half an hour of

859
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,239
very slickly highly produced radio metal Lincoln Park. You know,

860
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,000
it's not the raw garagie you know, Hunting Party thing,

861
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,480
and so it's obviously the closest thing they've done to

862
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,519
classic Lincoln Park since their first you know, three albums,

863
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,840
and I think that is what powers its best moments,

864
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,800
because I mean, let's face it, I don't think Lincoln

865
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,239
Park are accomplished at being a multi disciplined band. Every

866
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,800
time they tried something different over the course of twenty tens,

867
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,320
something about it went wrong. Whether you are an apology

868
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,039
of certain records or not, I don't think they are.

869
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
They're not good at being any of the various bands

870
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,440
they try to be.

871
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: They were good like A Thousand Suns.

872
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a that's a me thing, and I

873
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,760
can recognize that album. What adds some is weird, as

874
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,719
most of mymal moments. Unless you're you're You're me, you

875
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,920
might find that go like, that's stupid, what are they doing?

876
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm an apologist for parts of like the

877
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,639
Hunting Party, But do I think they're better at being

878
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,480
like raw garage rock Lincoln Park than just being linkin Park.

879
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: No, I don't.

880
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: I agree, And so I think an album that largely

881
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,519
seems to try and be like Meteora twenty twenty four

882
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,880
is probably the best possible outcome of what they would

883
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,880
try and come back and being, even if that blatant

884
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,199
nostalgia very much reads as an attempt to ease fans

885
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:45,559
into a version of the band with a different lineup,

886
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,880
because I think this album contains the best Lincoln Park

887
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,480
material in over fifteen years, and also every other song

888
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:00,480
when it is absolute nothing, I wouldn't say every song

889
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:01,039
there are.

890
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: Maybe being generous when I say every other.

891
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: Song, I think there are maybe like three songs on

892
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,000
here that I kind of go like, okay, you're doing

893
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,280
that thing, because to me, this album almost does feel

894
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,400
like a bit like it's trying to touch on on

895
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,079
every era of Lincoln Park, just a little bit like

896
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,599
the main focus of it is hybrid theory. I'd say

897
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,840
Meteora minutes to me like that kind of like link

898
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,880
Apark when they're out their biggest doing that, and then

899
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,159
they they'll at least try one song that will try

900
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,000
and sound like a bit like a Thousand Suns and

901
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,280
a bit like and those songs are are the weakest moments.

902
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,360
I would agree that like some of the ballads and

903
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,840
stuff like that, they're a little bit pop rock ballad

904
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,360
from the twenty tens, like washy, washy sort of stuff.

905
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:44,400
I don't find them terrible. I don't find anything here

906
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,760
as bad as like the stuff they were doing on

907
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,679
one more like with that. But for me, there was

908
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,880
just like the sort of body of this album that

909
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239
is like the main kind of like these are big

910
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,400
Lincoln Park songs. I actually really like, really like them.

911
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,679
Speaker 1: The Emptiness Machine is the standard of Park song that

912
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960
I genuinely never expected to hear again. Like I think

913
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,480
that song is the most classic Lincoln Park song since

914
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,559
Minutes to Midnight. It is a question of expectation for

915
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,519
an album after that in terms of like prior to

916
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,599
that single coming out, I didn't anticipate anything of that

917
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,880
like Upper Upper Ceiling Linkin Park quality coming out again

918
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,119
because I didn't have any reason to. I think, just

919
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,079
for comeback singles, that is one of the best that

920
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,159
we have seen in the modern near Yeah.

921
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:33,559
Speaker 2: This is like the thing the Linker Park sound, even

922
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,639
though they've not been active since like twenty twenty eighteen,

923
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,559
We've not been lacking for the Lincoln Park sound. Every

924
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:42,320
fucking medical band, sure every time I had been doing it,

925
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,800
and I was, and I've got sick of it even

926
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,840
like or I've got sick of hearing it being done

927
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,280
in that way. Saving Linko Park can actually do it

928
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,760
and come back and do it in a way that

929
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000
sound that reminded me of like what Lincoln Park. The

930
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Sortling Park sound can be like when it's done to

931
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,320
high quality. I think the Antis Machine nails that it

932
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,760
is big. It's polished like without sounding like completely synthetic,

933
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,440
like the guitars to actually sound like guitars when they

934
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,239
used and not a computer program.

935
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: The chorus actually like is big.

936
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,119
Speaker 2: I think Emily, I think on this like she was

937
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,360
a really good showcase for a first single for her,

938
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,679
like kind of showing her arrange which you can kind

939
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,679
of do, like the clean bits she can nail the

940
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,519
bits I'm meant to be more raw and intense. I

941
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:25,480
think it kind of showed that her and Mike actually

942
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,519
do have quite a bit of chemistry playing off each other.

943
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,320
I think it's got like the bridge that the whole

944
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,559
I only want to be passing builds nicely to that

945
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:34,280
last court sounding as big as possible.

946
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: Again, it's just really clean and big sounding, and it just.

947
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, no, what I want from

948
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,599
the c uck So it did kind of like set

949
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,119
me on the right foot for the album before everything

950
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,880
else happened. But it like the thing for was in

951
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,079
can they deliver this standard across a whole album? And

952
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,920
they There are moments that I do think come close

953
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,599
to matching up to this, and maybe on the odd

954
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,239
song do match up to it. But I do agree

955
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,480
this is probably going to be the song that will

956
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,519
endure longer then most of us this album.

957
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's testament that song is so good

958
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,400
that it survived in all of our heads after within

959
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,599
hours being used by the Emily Armstrong Scientology Danny Masterson Debarkle.

960
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,239
All while that story was unfolding that week, I still

961
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,599
just had that chorus whirling around in my head, like

962
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,519
it's unbelievably big pop metal songwriting and it's not fucking

963
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,000
deep right, Like the lyrics are shallow, they're basic. My

964
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,960
horizons aren't expanded by hearing those words.

965
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,039
Speaker 2: But Linker Park have always been like that. Yeah, I

966
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,280
can't like bash this Lincoln Park album for being lyrically

967
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:33,840
a bit, so.

968
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:35,639
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm just saying.

969
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that on that song, you know it

970
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,400
doesn't do that, but Emily crushes that particular chorus, Like

971
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,039
I really think that that moment of her switching into

972
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,760
that kind of register as that chorus hits, it's her

973
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:49,559
at her best on this album, like it's goosebumps, and

974
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
I think, you know again that they still have that

975
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,280
secondary All I want is to be part of something.

976
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Counter melody hook in Reserve, it's brilliant, best linkin part

977
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,519
song in more than fifteen years. Job done, and it's

978
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,679
what makes the rest of this alb a bit confusing

979
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,199
because on one hand, as said, I'm chuffed with that

980
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,320
track because I didn't think they still had it in them,

981
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,599
and maybe just one of those is more than I

982
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,800
could have hoped for. On the other hand, when they

983
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,880
show that they do have it in them to produce that,

984
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:15,960
I start to look at the album tracks here and go, well,

985
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000
what the fuck are we fapping around with here? Then

986
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,800
second single, Heavy as the Crown, I think is good.

987
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,000
It's not emptiness machine good, but it similarly taps into

988
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,400
like a very classic Lincoln Park sensibility epic but also

989
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,679
kind of bouncy. It has the second best Emily armthrong

990
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,719
hook on the album, hence the reason it would probably

991
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,960
pick to be the second single, second single.

992
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 4: I'll take that. I think Heavy as the Crown is great.

993
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,039
Speaker 2: It's a kind of like blend of again a bit

994
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:44,719
of meteor with bism It's got the first kind of like, oh,

995
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,480
we're going to try and directly call back to a

996
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:48,639
Lincoln Park moment sort of on this record, with that

997
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,639
scream over the breakdown being pure given up, kind of

998
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,679
like going back to that sort of thing of Emily

999
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,360
letting out this like big, drawn out kind of like

1000
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,480
pain scream over breakdown. But I mean again, it's got

1001
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,840
a really good chorus something like the sim folks got

1002
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,280
a nice kind of catchy like thing going on to it.

1003
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,400
The guitar's pop, nicey loads of bounce, and again like

1004
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,519
these are again this is that sort of material.

1005
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:10,039
Speaker 3: I want it.

1006
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not what is the end to this machine buying?

1007
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,719
It is up on that level. This is how this

1008
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,719
pop metal thing that every band is trying to do

1009
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,599
is how you should be doing it. It's actually like

1010
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,519
when it's done well, it can be really good.

1011
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, But my first list of this album was honestly

1012
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,960
like an almost directly on off thing with the first

1013
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:30,760
run of songs where you know where they would do it.

1014
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,679
For me, I was almost placing bets as to whether

1015
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,079
the next orb would follow the pattern or not. And

1016
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:36,679
I am I'm quite really quite surprised to hear that

1017
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,320
you are feeling like you like a lot more of

1018
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,039
this album than you don't, I suppose, because for me,

1019
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,719
the disparate I'm feeling quite damning about it as an

1020
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,440
overall album because the disparity between the best couple of

1021
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,159
songs and the rest of it, I think is startling.

1022
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,559
Speaker 2: I think again, the destrict between the best and the

1023
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,159
worst of it, Yeah, fair enough, there is there is

1024
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,800
that kind of gaffing quality, but I think there's just

1025
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:03,039
it's how many songs do I consider to be bad?

1026
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:08,360
I would say one, two, a push four songs I'm

1027
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,440
not particularly into on this record, which again on a

1028
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:16,079
ten track ignoring the little intro bit. Okay, it probably

1029
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,039
is half day, but I think only maybe two of

1030
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,760
them are really bad and the other two I just

1031
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,639
kind of like a bit forgettable.

1032
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 3: But the other six songs I really like.

1033
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm more like three of these are good. Two

1034
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,400
of them were the big singles we already heard beforehand,

1035
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,920
and most of this album is almost low effort in

1036
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,360
how I feel about it, I think Cut the Bridge

1037
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,519
sandwich between those two singles at the beginning album, I

1038
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,719
have rarely felt the excitement and momentum from an unreal

1039
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,280
opener dissipate more quickly because the emptiness machine. I'm fucking

1040
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,639
there right like with all of my emotional reservations I

1041
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,719
have about the gear part. Now, I'm still there with

1042
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,800
that song. My chest is puffed out, I'm ready to

1043
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,079
go and take on whatever's next. And Cut the Bridge

1044
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:04,079
is just an absolute deflating balloon of a song.

1045
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: After that, mind cut the Bridge, I think like, yeah,

1046
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,119
Mike's rapping is Mike's rapping. There's don'thing like I can

1047
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,679
kind of just endure about that, Like it's a sound

1048
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,480
that again I'm finding you that it's not great.

1049
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,159
Speaker 3: I think the chorus has again the stuck with me?

1050
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: Has it stuck with you because it's just bleed it

1051
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,320
out again? Has it stuck with you because it is

1052
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,840
the most wanna be bleed out energy? The super regimented

1053
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,719
clickie drums. The himbo, if he wasn't also potentially malevolent

1054
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,559
dumb Shanoda wrapping and bleed out was already pushing how

1055
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:38,800
clinical they could take that particular feel. But it had

1056
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,840
a megahook. This one is so empty. It's got no

1057
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,400
lift or magic to it at all.

1058
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: I see where you're coming from.

1059
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: I still kind of think when when you get to

1060
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,079
cut the bridge or on bit that does come up with,

1061
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,159
it's going for a different like kind of like I'm

1062
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:57,719
doing with the whole ragiment thing, but it's still kind

1063
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,440
of like classical melody symphonic thing playing around in the

1064
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:03,800
angsty pop metalfing that is like that makes it slightly

1065
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,920
different so thin.

1066
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you're saying that. I can't believe they

1067
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,639
didn't decide to had anything extra to that song, Like

1068
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:13,239
it rides the same shitty chorus with no source on

1069
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
it at all in the studio, and I was saying,

1070
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,239
I was like, this is like one layer of orchestrations

1071
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,679
or something. Put more on it, because it's like, I agree,

1072
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,039
they could go bigger with it. It's so empty and

1073
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,800
it's and it's not the only instance where they directly

1074
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,679
lift one of their own classic songs for lesser rewards.

1075
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,840
I mean heavy as the Crown is already jacking faint

1076
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,760
to a large degree.

1077
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:33,639
Speaker 2: Faint.

1078
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least that one has the kind of

1079
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,679
presence to work it a bit. And I did, like

1080
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,360
when Bringing the Horizon did it on Thrones. I'm not

1081
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,239
going to be grouge linking part doing it themselves. Two faced,

1082
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,760
I can draw a fucking liner.

1083
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,199
Speaker 2: It's two laces. When I'm like, I can recognize that

1084
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,760
two face is shameless in like be like, do you

1085
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,119
remember hybrid theory?

1086
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember once they're closed?

1087
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: If I'm like, here's the thing, I do remember both

1088
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,159
those I like both those things.

1089
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,199
Speaker 3: The is bouncy and it's fun.

1090
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,039
Speaker 2: The only time where two phase loses me is when

1091
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,400
you get to twenty twenty four millennial anxiety version of

1092
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,280
two thousand and one, like teenage angst with I can't

1093
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,039
hear myself think stop yelling at me. Yeah, kind of

1094
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,119
like like I say, twenty twenty four MILLENNIU anxiety version

1095
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,480
of shut up when I'm talking to you. It's a

1096
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,960
little bit. I was like, okay, you can, you can

1097
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,599
maybe bin that bit off. But i'd like the rest

1098
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,079
of that song.

1099
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the riff. I think the chorus is decent.

1100
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,760
I think if it was only if I was judging

1101
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,960
the first minute of that song, I would say, it's

1102
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,480
just it's like an evocation of what the feeling of

1103
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,800
one step closer is, and I would accept that totally.

1104
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,960
But you know the bit in Alien Romulus when he

1105
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,440
goes get away from her, you bitch, and you go

1106
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,280
bark off.

1107
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: But they follow up with DJ scratches, So no, I

1108
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:52,960
forgive this.

1109
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,119
Speaker 4: It's shocking.

1110
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:58,079
Speaker 1: I did a laugh of disbelief when I almost note

1111
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,000
for note, do shut up when I'm talking to you again.

1112
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:03,400
You can't hear it and not notice how shameless it is,

1113
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,719
even where the way it's like, what's what's another way

1114
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,159
we can say?

1115
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: Shut up? Guys?

1116
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,519
Speaker 1: How about stop yelling at me? It has that exact

1117
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,320
same feeling of when a movie Regurga takes a line

1118
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,719
from an earlier classic and you gough because that hasn't

1119
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,800
earned it. In the same way, it's just I can't

1120
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,679
in good conscious say that is good. I find it

1121
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:26,079
laughably brazen, and again it made me laugh. It's so empty.

1122
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:28,679
But at least that is one of the livelier songs

1123
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,920
on the record. When this record is not lively, I

1124
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,599
think it is just like wet wet wallpaper because over

1125
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,239
each other I hadn't heard as a single the way

1126
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,920
I had heard empt this Machine and heavy as the Crown.

1127
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,440
I was amazed to, you know, look at it and

1128
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,039
realize it was the third single, because I guess it's

1129
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,679
them trying to show some dexterity and mix up with

1130
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,440
like a softer single after two rockers. But it is

1131
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:53,079
just like an old pop song with Emily's meekest vocal

1132
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:54,239
on it. And this is the thing I have about

1133
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,519
some of these songs. It takes so long to do anything,

1134
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,639
and the songs themselves aren't long, right, So why are

1135
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,320
you taking up more than half of the runtime of

1136
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,280
like a three minutes song to give it any presence

1137
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,280
in the mix? Again, like the hook isn't there even

1138
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,480
when it builds in the kind of percussive elements and stuff.

1139
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,920
This album at its worst can feel like you've been

1140
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,840
given the Lincoln Park equivalent of like dehydrated, shrunk down

1141
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,920
astronaut food, you know what I mean. It's like you

1142
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,199
can recognize what the food is, but it is such

1143
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,880
a meek, meek, meager helping.

1144
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: Over each other's one.

1145
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: We're kind of go like the chorus is fine, like

1146
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,400
Emily is trying to still be somewhat relatable as a vocalist.

1147
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:35,679
I know, like cow relable can she be as a vocalist? Fine,

1148
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,119
but I do agree like the ballads are the worst

1149
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:40,840
moments on this record where they just again because even

1150
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,920
when the Capark has done ballads in the past, they

1151
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,119
had like stuff going on around it. You had like

1152
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,840
Chester giving it everything on the on the vocal department.

1153
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,519
This is where I'm gonna go. Well, I said, like

1154
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,000
they're touching on the one more like kind of thing,

1155
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:55,119
and I think it just I don't want to say

1156
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:59,159
it's like terrible. It's just this is where like at

1157
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,079
as worse to me is just a bit flavorless and forgettable,

1158
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,239
like on songs like this or Overflow, I'm like, okay,

1159
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,639
like it's it's it's background noise. I don't find them

1160
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,519
to be like offensively bad or like making me no.

1161
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: It's more how much of this record I think is

1162
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,639
underwritten in that way. I'm not saying I don't think

1163
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:24,119
anything on this record is like apps, apart from maybe

1164
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,920
you know, the breakdown in Two Faced. Anything on this

1165
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,800
record made me like recoil in disbelief at it. But

1166
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,039
it's how utterly boring and forgettable.

1167
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:33,599
Speaker 4: A lot of it is.

1168
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: Casualty is the one album track that I'm down with

1169
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,920
because it is when you go, oh the Hunting Party, Well, yeah,

1170
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,239
it's Lincoln Park. I didn't nobody getting little Bit Angry today.

1171
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,239
I liked it when they did it with War on

1172
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880
the Hunting Party. I'll take it again here.

1173
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: It's that kind of raucous, slightly punky song that they

1174
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:49,159
they have on hand.

1175
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, is really cool. The riff is dumb.

1176
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,519
Speaker 1: I like that about it, just really like choppy, smash

1177
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:56,880
your head about angry. Mic rapping is so funny, Like

1178
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,000
it's just it's great music to throw your toys around

1179
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,519
in your ten year old bedroom, you know what I mean.

1180
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: That's that's the thing.

1181
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: Is Like again, I could be so cool about Mike's raphing,

1182
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,599
but it is just a sound that I'm kind of

1183
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:10,679
just like, ah, sad. Remember you think Macinoa was a

1184
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,719
good rapper, Yeah, you know, misguided teenage sad.

1185
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: It's sort of endearing there again. That that's I think

1186
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,360
that is the best this album has passed the two

1187
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,880
big singles going into the second half. Past that, it

1188
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,039
is dry. Fucking Mike's introduction speaking of him to the

1189
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,800
verse on Overflow is terrible.

1190
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: And once again going that's probably the worst song on

1191
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,639
the album for me, like, yeah, but that's another one

1192
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,320
where it's like you're in the fucking back end of

1193
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,280
the track before it feels like it's gotten past the intro.

1194
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,440
It's like a that's almost like again a weird thousand

1195
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,639
Sun style experiment of a track. Yeah, but where it's

1196
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,079
almost like they haven't decided what they're actually experimenting and

1197
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,599
aiming for. It's just like, yeah, it would throw something around.

1198
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,920
And then there is just a series of songs after

1199
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,440
two Face that I will never remember because they're underwritten.

1200
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:59,400
I think Stained sucks the wind out of its chorus

1201
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,119
by dragging the preamble ramp up again and doing that

1202
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:05,440
awkward thing I thought we'd all moved past five years

1203
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,679
ago of making your choruses the point where the beat

1204
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,079
drops out rather than like coming in the closer. I

1205
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,519
think is pretty poor and unpleasant to listen to. And

1206
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,679
it does feature Mike rhyming stairs with stairs, which is

1207
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:22,079
this is the thing about this, for how much of

1208
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,840
this album is announcing itself as like a huge new era.

1209
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,760
It's the first linkin Park album in seven years. It's

1210
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,519
the result of careful consideration, working out the new relationship

1211
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,800
in the band and so on. But bar the standard

1212
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,679
two singles that they need to make an impact and

1213
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,280
bag those league of legend promotions, it's underwritten and low

1214
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,840
effort to me. In the studio and the gulf between

1215
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,320
the fullness of a push to radio song like the

1216
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,880
Emptians Machine and the album tracks that are just there

1217
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,400
out of some obligation to have an album is so

1218
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,280
clear to me. I mean, I still think you know

1219
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,119
I gave you everything I had towards the end, that

1220
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:57,840
that kind of has something of casual and just being

1221
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,679
a bit of a dumb fine raged. I think that

1222
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,039
song's pretty good as well. Again, I think all of

1223
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,239
the heavier cuts on this album, they're not like I

1224
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,480
wouldn't call them classical till but I would still say

1225
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,639
there's more I can remember on this. I've revisited The

1226
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,440
Hunting Party quite recently. There's still more of the songs

1227
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,920
on this that I actually remember.

1228
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: Beyond that. Again, three or four tracks of.

1229
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: The Hunting I would say the Hunting Party actually has

1230
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,079
more good songs on it. I think it also by

1231
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,639
the side of it, that is, it has more songs

1232
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,320
in general, it's longer, so proportionally it might work out

1233
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,559
about the same. That might be the case, but like

1234
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,119
I said, I think there is For me, there's three

1235
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:36,880
decent songs on this and seven one of which is

1236
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,480
almost like a link in part parody, and then six

1237
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,880
that are the most forgettable songs.

1238
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: Because I mean, the thing is sad because obviously it's

1239
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,239
so brief, it's so hyper focused that I think if

1240
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,159
some of these songs were more drawn out, were longer,

1241
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,199
would kind of more time wasted. I would be a

1242
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,280
bit more kind of like, okay, that that's actively de

1243
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,880
tracked from the album now. But it's so kind of

1244
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,000
like just onto the next thing quickly that I never

1245
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:03,400
found myself getting two like fed up of the worst

1246
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,320
songs on here, though I agree they are they are

1247
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,840
quite empty and kind of just like bare Bones For me,

1248
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,079
I do kind of think this album almost exists as

1249
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,480
a kind of like, Okay, let's see if this new

1250
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,960
linep has chemistry, and I think to an extent, I

1251
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400
do think Mike and Emily clearly have chemistry together, but

1252
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,639
I could do about the the little studio snippets of

1253
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,880
them laughing and playing around together.

1254
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: That that I'm like, I was like, okay, fine, you know.

1255
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: I think from any other band I would take that.

1256
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,840
But because everything about Lincoln Park feels so kind of corporate,

1257
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,679
I feel like they're trying to sell me on something

1258
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,679
by putting those bits in there.

1259
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: I think it's almost like trying to humanize.

1260
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you say hyper focused. I understand

1261
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,519
what you mean is the album is short, but I

1262
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:48,320
don't know what they're focused on is the problem. It's

1263
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,360
hyper focus.

1264
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,119
Speaker 3: Like focus on just delivering what that song is offering

1265
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:52,440
at that.

1266
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's true, because, as we said,

1267
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,400
there's songs that are just like rambling out into the

1268
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,400
ether and don't actually seem to have like a central

1269
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,159
drive or propulsion to what they're doing. That weird Light

1270
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,440
thousand Sun style, just like faffing about stuff is not

1271
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,960
to me what I would call focused. I think they

1272
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,800
were focused on delivering a couple of guaranteed hits and

1273
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,840
then filled in the blanks, and I think what I

1274
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,280
am left with being abundantly clear on this is that

1275
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,320
this album feels like an advert for the Link in

1276
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:20,840
Part tour.

1277
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,039
Speaker 3: As what I was that was my conclude, that was

1278
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,119
what I was going to get onto.

1279
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Lincoln Parker back there sounding sort of like

1280
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,440
you remember them, even though they have a new singer,

1281
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,119
So you can trust from that she'll be able to

1282
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,159
sing the old songs well. And here is a couple

1283
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,159
more really good ones to throw into that mix. You

1284
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:36,519
don't need to know about the rest of it.

1285
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,599
Speaker 2: And that's what I was gonna say, Do they have

1286
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,480
the chemistry together and be it is an advert for

1287
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,719
the global mega stadium tour that's going to make them

1288
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,639
even more millionaires than they've ever been because of the

1289
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,119
cost of live music now, and like that that's kind

1290
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,800
of what it is. Will I take that one that's

1291
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,159
got like a good amount of songs, I do genuinely like,

1292
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,880
yeah again, I can reck that. Like again, Like this

1293
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,320
isn't an album that I'm going to go back to

1294
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,480
as an album in full the same way I go

1295
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:10,639
back to Eaving up to a thousand Suns. But I

1296
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:12,679
will still have a handful of songs in this. I'm

1297
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960
excited to see live and so like, yeah, I mean

1298
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:16,880
that job done there.

1299
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,599
Speaker 1: An album being an advert for the tour, like I said,

1300
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:23,480
I don't think is inherently shameful because most albums by

1301
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,639
legacy bands end up being the tour adverts, right, that's

1302
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:27,559
what the industry has become.

1303
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,679
Speaker 4: But the way this.

1304
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: Album has been like manufactured as an event to be

1305
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,880
everywhere when it is as a work unto itself pretty scant.

1306
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,440
I think it's a better piece of brand management than

1307
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,000
it is a piece of music and judgment on those terms,

1308
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:43,760
it does have Like I said, you know, it's my

1309
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,960
favorite single Lincoln Park Moment since I was essentially a child,

1310
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:52,000
or like the best songs on it, and this certainly

1311
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:54,360
doesn't make it any like a new low, like you know,

1312
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,159
any worse than anything they've done since their prime era

1313
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,760
that we didn't know would be getting that at all

1314
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,119
to a couple of months ago, you know, so big

1315
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,320
check there. But does this album stand up on its

1316
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
own or live up to that kind of overall promise

1317
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:11,159
of like that lead single. I think the answer is

1318
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:11,920
a clear fat no.

1319
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:14,599
Speaker 2: I mean that's not again if we're talking about like

1320
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:16,239
this said, does he live up to the leads all. Yeah, No,

1321
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,000
as a whole it doesn't. But I would still again

1322
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,480
say this is the most enjoyable for me Linker Park

1323
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,440
have been in a long while, and that for me

1324
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:28,440
was kind of all I could hope for. I guess

1325
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,000
from a com up, I didn't expect a classic album

1326
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,360
from Linker Park at this stage, so if it's the

1327
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,559
most I've enjoyed them of theirs, I'm gonna take that

1328
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:36,000
as a win.

1329
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: We also had can you Believe It? A new album

1330
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,519
from The Cure at the beginning of this month, Songs

1331
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,440
of a Lost World. This is a new one. I've

1332
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,760
never had a Cure album to review before, you know,

1333
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:50,159
I've had many things that sounded like the Cure, but

1334
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,519
never one from the top dogs themselves.

1335
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: The first Cure.

1336
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:56,679
Speaker 1: Album since four thirteen Dream in two thousand and eight.

1337
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,960
That was long before I really became a Cure fan.

1338
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,039
I was like twelve in two thousand and eight, so

1339
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,360
I'm I'm sure I had some forlorn misery in there somewhere,

1340
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,400
but I think you can forgive me not having found

1341
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,199
it yet in the Cure at that stage in my life.

1342
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,599
It was about the mid twenty tens when I as

1343
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:15,079
like almost every goth leaning extreme metal head eventually does

1344
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,360
became fanatical about the Cure. And that was a time

1345
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,840
and a landscape where everything about the Cure, apart from

1346
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,599
the possibility of seeing them live, was in the past, tense,

1347
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,039
like all the music was in the past. No one

1348
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:29,400
was really like checking their calendars every month waiting for

1349
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,920
the new Kere album to turn up. Robert Smith said,

1350
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,079
there was a new Cure album coming, but the years

1351
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,679
went on and on and simply you just had other

1352
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,199
things to be doing, right, Yeah, that you had other

1353
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:40,400
things to be checking out, and if there ever was

1354
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,519
a Ukere album, it will turn up when it turns out.

1355
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,320
This is how I was envisioning it, And now it

1356
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,800
has and I'm still in the very novel stages of

1357
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,079
that being true and that status quo having changed from

1358
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:49,880
one thing into another.

1359
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: I mean generally, so I've probably got into the Cure

1360
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,280
slightly later. It was would have been sort of like

1361
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,559
the late twenty tens. I said, like twenty seventeen eighteen

1362
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:59,719
around then that I kind of I don't I know,

1363
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,280
not the Cure prages, but I'd never like like I

1364
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:06,679
I remember hearing like Friday, I'm in love during the

1365
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:08,840
sort of like period, I was an idiot who listened

1366
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,239
to any metal Corn was like that stupid band again, idiot, Like,

1367
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,199
I can accept what you're.

1368
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:15,679
Speaker 4: Reading a lead story you like didn't see them or

1369
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:16,280
something because you didn't.

1370
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,559
Speaker 2: I went I didn't see them because in fairness, I

1371
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,280
was like at the time reading twenty twelve, I would

1372
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,599
have rather have gone to see Social Distortion over the Cure,

1373
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,519
like story of My Life is a banger. I just

1374
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,599
had no I had no interest in the Cure in

1375
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,119
twenty twelve, like because.

1376
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: Where I was, I would have seen them, and I

1377
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,719
wouldn't have enjoyed them.

1378
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: It would have probably only disliked the Cure even more

1379
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,880
because I think at that time particular, you weren't a

1380
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:38,599
fan of the Cure.

1381
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:40,719
Speaker 3: Everyone said they were like the most boring thing ever.

1382
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: And if you were a fan of the Cure, everyone

1383
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,159
but like they're perfect, flawless, incredible live. I probably would

1384
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:46,840
have put me off them even more if I'd gone

1385
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,039
to see them. I in hinds, I do regret my

1386
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:51,840
decision because I've not had I've missed out in them

1387
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,000
every time they've been around since.

1388
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,199
Speaker 3: But eventually, when I kind of.

1389
01:02:56,119 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: Discovered the like darker gofier Cure material that I think

1390
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:00,719
is some of.

1391
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:01,679
Speaker 4: The best music ever written.

1392
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: It all it all clicked in place and like, so again,

1393
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,440
this is the first new Cure album in my time

1394
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,119
of being a fan. Obviously, I went back and listened

1395
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:11,760
to the last couple of Cure albums.

1396
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, remind us where you're at in terms of relationship

1397
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,639
with their catalog, Like, what's your favorite couple records? And

1398
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,480
at how many of them? Like have you heard? So?

1399
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,559
Speaker 2: Pornography I think is the best Cure album. It's that

1400
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:26,639
and Disintegration are the best too. I don't really think

1401
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,039
there's a conversation outside of those two. I think they

1402
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:32,280
are just absolute master struct I know some people if

1403
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,880
they prefer the kind of more new wavy sort of

1404
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,960
poppy stuff the Cure, they.

1405
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Might I mean, I would throw kiss Me Kissed Me

1406
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,239
in as like into the similar sort of terrain of

1407
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,599
like quality, but are obviously like the most classic ones.

1408
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I think, like in terms of just

1409
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,519
like the art on offer, that those darker Golf albums

1410
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,039
are the best. I do actually recently go back and

1411
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,639
check out the two thousand stuff they hadn't listened to,

1412
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,119
and I recognize those albums are flawed, but the first two,

1413
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,119
in particular the self titled and.

1414
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 4: I really liked.

1415
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,639
Speaker 2: For all their flaws, they have a question of recisions

1416
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,840
made on them that kind of like I could see

1417
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,920
why some people might not get them Blood Flowers again

1418
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,280
because of my lineage of loving the dark material. I

1419
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,760
really like that. It's a lot more indulgent and drawn

1420
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,840
out at point, but I can realize it. But I

1421
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,239
think there's there's cool stuff on those records. But I

1422
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:24,239
could also understand if they were the like if that

1423
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,440
was like the last one of Cure records and they

1424
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,239
left off on the what's the two thousand ones, one

1425
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:31,440
of the least for me. Yeah, Like, if they'd left

1426
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,480
off there, I can understand what some might think. They'd

1427
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,960
never kind of had a classic closing statement, and it

1428
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000
would have felt like a weird place for them creatively

1429
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,280
to leave it. So I can understand why, despite it

1430
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,280
being such a drawn up process, everyone's always kind of

1431
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:46,519
hoping this mythical new Cure album would eventually materialize.

1432
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, like I said, everything about the

1433
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,519
Cure's catalog was in the past tense when I got

1434
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:53,960
into them. You naturally you have a slightly different relationship

1435
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,159
to the records. Disintegration is my favorite. It's one of

1436
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:00,280
the best albums ever. Pornography, Head on the Door, kiss Me,

1437
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,719
Kiss and Kiss Me also some of the best albums going.

1438
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:05,280
I have my own favorites. Also going deeper into the

1439
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,320
back catalog, I really love like seventeen Seconds and stuff

1440
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,039
like that. But record like four thirteen Dream or the

1441
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,599
self titled I I never got the experience of having

1442
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:15,360
that land on my lap and then having to like

1443
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,400
compare them against the classics, you know what I mean.

1444
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,880
It's like I could come to them and appreciate them

1445
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,159
in my own time. And this is the first album

1446
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:23,840
a Cure album has landed in my lap, and I've

1447
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,719
had to think about, like does this live up to

1448
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,559
my impression of the Cure or not? I think, happily

1449
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:32,920
for me, it really does. And taking those standards of

1450
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,199
like how Cure at the very best, you know, have

1451
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,719
been mixing them, then with again the knowledge and the

1452
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:42,400
stands of their latter day work and the more sort

1453
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,559
of gradual level of appreciation we'll get with those. I

1454
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,440
think if you calculate almost like the roughly how good

1455
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,800
from that a cure, you know, album in twenty twenty

1456
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,719
four without an album for sixteen years should be This

1457
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,679
album almost hits exactly and then maybe slightly exceeds what

1458
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:01,800
we have been imagining.

1459
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think again I've said this the first

1460
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:06,920
qu album I've had to kind of judges at a

1461
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,480
new piece part. But when we talk about legacy albums

1462
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,840
that there's kind of like a limited of put on

1463
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,880
a legacy album because there's always expectation that bands after

1464
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,880
song aren't going to be delivering their classic material.

1465
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:21,639
Speaker 3: I think this has a shout of being one of.

1466
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: The greatest sort of legacy albums from a band like

1467
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,760
well past their prime year like decade, over a decade

1468
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,519
after the last record they've come out. And again I'm

1469
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,320
not gonna say this is one of the greatest cure

1470
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,440
albums ever. It's not on POG level, but it's still

1471
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,800
I think it would be in that top tier of

1472
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,639
cure albums. For me, I think this album is like

1473
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,159
absolutely stunning. I've not been able to get enough of

1474
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:46,280
this for the last month or so.

1475
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like four thirteen Dream where they left

1476
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:52,400
off last time, is a good album, and I think

1477
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,079
that almost would have been for the late career, like

1478
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:55,960
kind of where you'd expect them to be. This album

1479
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,760
is way better than that album. Ye, significantly better than

1480
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,039
that album, which I still like. I guess you know,

1481
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,400
which version of the Cure are you getting? Is a

1482
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,960
thing to establish, because over their career they have done

1483
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,760
many different things, and some of those are more surprising

1484
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,159
and unpredictable than others. This album I think fits the

1485
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,760
lasting vision that most people have of the Cure, which

1486
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,239
is the lasting specter of albums like Disintegration, where they

1487
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,119
lean into their dreamy but heartbreaking kind of long form,

1488
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,719
languid register the Latter Day example, to Parilous, to just

1489
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,119
the so people aren't only comparing it to Disintegration. Blood

1490
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:33,360
Flowers from two thousand also took on that kind of approach.

1491
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:35,480
I guess you could argue that maybe bits of Wish

1492
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,119
did as well, mixed in with more kind of direct

1493
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:41,079
pop songs, but that sound for me, you know, it

1494
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:45,480
makes this really reassuringly familiar, because I love different versions

1495
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,840
of the Cure, and it would be fucking crazy if

1496
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,840
they turned up with like whatever their twenty twenty four

1497
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,159
version of Like the Top or Japanese Whispers would be.

1498
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:53,199
Speaker 4: But when you are.

1499
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,159
Speaker 1: Pressing play on the first Cure ALB in sixteen years,

1500
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,440
what I really wanted was to sync into something equal

1501
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,880
parts kind of drab and majestic me and like like,

1502
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:07,840
I want to be emotionally cared for by the Cure.

1503
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,239
And this album came out on Damnation weekend and on

1504
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,760
my way back from the festival, something had disagreed with

1505
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,440
me and I was sick in a bush outside a

1506
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,520
train station and then I put this album on my

1507
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,760
way home with my dicky tummy and it cared for me.

1508
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:21,319
Speaker 4: That's all I want.

1509
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I think when I hit play,

1510
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,800
you want you want to be immersed in a in

1511
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,640
sort of a drab, kind of like downcast world, but

1512
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,880
one that is emotionally stirring. And I mean that's the

1513
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,359
important thing is does a Cure album emotionally make can't

1514
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,640
some kind of an impact on you? Because again like

1515
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,520
that that emotion can be anything with the Cure that

1516
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,920
they have some like really like quite joyful music. They

1517
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,960
have some of the saddest, darkest, miserable music. And as

1518
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,880
long as it stirs that emotion in you, I think

1519
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,800
a Cure album is doing something right and this for me,

1520
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,319
this is emotionally stirring music. I again, I've said so

1521
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,800
many times I listen to music on an emotional level.

1522
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,039
It does it make an emotional connection, and this album

1523
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:05,000
does that so frequently in different ways. But it is,

1524
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,399
like it was on the notes to be like, this

1525
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,640
is an album about the end, the feeling of finality,

1526
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,600
like the end in all its different ways, and what

1527
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,600
the ends can mean. It's all over this record. It

1528
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,279
is the kind of driving emotional theme and it's really

1529
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:23,920
effectively delivered on every song.

1530
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,199
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1531
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like this particular side of the Cures discography, sonically,

1532
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,359
you can almost go like, is it a good album

1533
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,199
to have a cry to? And I think you can

1534
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,199
have a top top cry to this.

1535
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,399
Speaker 2: Definitely songs here that would like if I was on

1536
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,279
a particularly mostly vulnerable day, could get a tear from me.

1537
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1538
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: I think you know Alone as the opening track, which

1539
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,159
we also had as the single, it does have that again,

1540
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:45,720
that kind of interesting mixing and mastering job that has

1541
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,439
a weird sort of metallic pinging tiddiness to it, which

1542
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,119
I'm sympathetic to someone being like, that's kind of a

1543
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:53,960
bit antithetical to what I imagine in like lush Cure, but

1544
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,479
I've bizarrely become attuned to it. It's almost like the

1545
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,520
album is wearing steel capped boots or something, and I

1546
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,279
like when it starts kicking, but anyway, those layers of

1547
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,159
keys and strings or just kind of moving over you

1548
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:07,039
in this genuinely like wave like motion, you know, kind

1549
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,840
of sinking back and forth like on a shoreline. When

1550
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,159
those pianos start to come in around the minute mark,

1551
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,560
no matter like how you know, harsh or tiny the

1552
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,239
production might be, that's when I start to feel like

1553
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,680
only The Cure could do it like this, right, That's

1554
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,159
the feeling that we've been missing for sixteen years arguably longer.

1555
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,920
It's the feeling that, you know, some of these tracks,

1556
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,880
some of the best tracks on this are like over

1557
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,159
half the run time, it seems Intro Road and Lincoln Park.

1558
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,039
That's how you do it, right, That's how you feel.

1559
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,079
Speaker 2: Thing is how many times have I winged about a

1560
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,239
drawn out interron? Like I didn't care a single time

1561
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:44,560
on this because yeah, so it's so nice and there's

1562
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,640
a constant kind of drip feed of just expanding that

1563
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,520
intro a little bit more of each time it loops around,

1564
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,000
adding in a key or a simp or even a

1565
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,159
guitar sound, and they just constantly wash over you and

1566
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,760
it just makes the whole out. It makes you feel

1567
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,680
like something more and something so vast, and again it

1568
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,079
just takes you in the emotional journey that builds. So

1569
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,880
when Roberson's vocals do first come in on a loan,

1570
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,800
it's this really like heartbreaking yearnic Gothic melody that again

1571
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,680
Smith like in his age, he's not the vocalists he

1572
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,800
may have once been, but there is.

1573
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 4: I think he sounds fantastic on this, but there is, As.

1574
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: I say, there is a tone to his voice that

1575
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,840
is so undeniably him, and he knows how to hit

1576
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,920
a melody that will grab your emotion and kind of

1577
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,119
like put you on his wavelength immediately. And I think

1578
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,680
it's it's a really like wonderful vocal performance that like

1579
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,439
kind of plays with his limitations in like ways that

1580
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,640
make it more impactful.

1581
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Robert's voice is just one

1582
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,840
of those voices that is such a extremely pure externalization

1583
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,600
of himself. I think it's one of those voices that is,

1584
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:50,840
you know, if you were to bring in the consideration

1585
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,800
of like how would age affect a person's voice and

1586
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,079
make them, I don't know, like lower their range.

1587
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 4: In their singer anything like that.

1588
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,359
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the voices who is least

1589
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,640
affected by the because his voice is just some kind

1590
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,039
of a pure representation of himself in that way, and

1591
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:07,439
there's something about him like, you know, like on Disintegration,

1592
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,640
he was famously twenty nine because he was panicking about

1593
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,239
turning thirty and making this album, and it's full of

1594
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,720
feelings that feel like twenty nine is way too young

1595
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,640
to be really dealing with that in the way that

1596
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,399
it does. That kind of means that, you know, Robert

1597
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:20,920
Smith now, you know he's over sixty.

1598
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,159
Speaker 2: Now.

1599
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: I get no sense from this of like, oh, I

1600
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,039
can't believe Robert Smith is still sad and hasn't sorted

1601
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,920
his life out or anything like that, because it's not

1602
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:32,840
like a angsty, youthful moping. It's more like the kind of

1603
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,079
spiritual isolation that he was always singing about still endures

1604
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:39,199
into what they are now. And you know the refrain

1605
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:40,840
on that first song of like you know, we were

1606
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,920
always sure we'd stay the same, but it all stops

1607
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,600
where did it go? It's just so elemental in an

1608
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,199
emotional sense in the way that again to make the

1609
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:52,479
comparison purely spiritually disintegration or pornography like kind of made

1610
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,319
those albums what they were. And you know, through all

1611
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,000
these years he's remained a really like, you know, a

1612
01:12:57,079 --> 01:13:00,520
cool authoritative in his you know, laying kind of voice

1613
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,119
that you know has that factor to him when bands

1614
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:04,840
have tapped him for features, you know, whether it be

1615
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,840
Blink twenty two or Churches and Robert indulging the kind

1616
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,319
of malaise that only feels increased by you know, whether

1617
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,119
it be the new infrastructure of the world we live

1618
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,239
in today and how we live our lives, or the

1619
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:20,239
sense of mortality. I think it's the obviously Coparraisson point

1620
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:21,880
for me is the last Depeche Mode album of mentor

1621
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,960
Morey we spoke about, Yeah, where like its sense of

1622
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,039
kind of aging, maturity and mortality only bleeds into the album.

1623
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because again, like the it's not like angst,

1624
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,359
but there is there is there is a kind of

1625
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,079
with the whole thing being about endings, there's kind of

1626
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:39,520
mix of like melancholy bleakness looking to what comes after,

1627
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,680
and it's a kind of like explores us in different ways,

1628
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,359
but like alone, like there is there is right, there's

1629
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:47,880
a stark loneliness of kind of like being some of

1630
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,880
someone who is now a some point and seeing it

1631
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,840
all happen and kind of having to accept it's going

1632
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,119
to happen to him that this is the end of

1633
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,199
every song we sing, where it go all that sort

1634
01:13:56,199 --> 01:14:01,199
of stuff. It's it's there's an acceptance of reaching this

1635
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:05,079
point and it just fits so naturally into the sort

1636
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,439
of gothic soundscapes that the best qure material works with.

1637
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, like nothing is Forever with a

1638
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:14,199
title like that, seemingly sonically it's just like it lets

1639
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:15,600
the light shine in for just a bit with the

1640
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:16,920
strings of pianos at the start.

1641
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 3: Which is that intro is stunning.

1642
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,079
Speaker 1: It's so like reassuring to me, but it has that

1643
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:24,239
sense of kind of you know, passing beauty and like

1644
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:28,319
impermanence that like those are the sensations the grand you know,

1645
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,119
sensations that the cure are sensational at there's a song

1646
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,279
like I Can Never Say Goodbye towards the end where

1647
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:38,720
you can see how like almost relatable to stuff like

1648
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,399
post rock, they could be where they can build a

1649
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:45,119
song on just swelling piano and bass loop and stuff

1650
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:46,520
like that, and it just gets more and more like

1651
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,560
beautiful and melancholic. And then there is Robert at the

1652
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,399
center of it, which turns that you could almost imagine

1653
01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:55,319
an instrumental track of that just being like really evolving

1654
01:14:55,359 --> 01:14:57,720
but having him on there. And that's a song about

1655
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,359
the passing of his brother, and it turns into this

1656
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,399
really heavy meditation on death and and grieving, and it's

1657
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,359
really like raw and just unignorable.

1658
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: I'm just so much of so little on those kind

1659
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,279
of minimalist instrumental passages. But again, like there's got one

1660
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,319
of the best choruses from smithrom this album that that

1661
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,680
something wicked this way comes like it is like to

1662
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:21,840
steal away my brother's life.

1663
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,119
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking. It is so upread.

1664
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: About like the cruelty of what death can be and

1665
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:30,560
himn't trying to process that, and it just it adds

1666
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,680
another layer of like emotional pain to what again like

1667
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,640
are quite occasionally sparse songs, but in that sparse as

1668
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,840
they're doing doing so much it feels gonna be like

1669
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,920
a sort of contradiction, so that it's really evolving and

1670
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,520
there's something's going on, but it's sparse and spacious, but

1671
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,560
they just they play around with these soundscapes in ways

1672
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,680
that does keep it so interesting where they can draw

1673
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,960
things out and still find like again a vocal hook

1674
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:58,600
or an instrumental piece bit piano guitar to just really

1675
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,760
like searing those emotional beats.

1676
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I love a fragile thing, which

1677
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,439
nails this really specific feel that the Cure do, which

1678
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,880
I think is one of the hardest modes that they

1679
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:12,159
operate in to recreate, which is that song like grooves

1680
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:13,399
and rocks to.

1681
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:14,399
Speaker 3: A degree tension.

1682
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it feels primarily built on like almost like

1683
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,399
you can imagine like like TV soundtrack keys and stuff

1684
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,760
and like percussive elements. So it is like a weird

1685
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,000
like putting a piano riff atop like a hard grooving

1686
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,079
rock drum per. Like it's an odd balance that's hard

1687
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:33,920
to get as naturally as the Cure do it, I suppose, Yeah,

1688
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,880
and the song resultingly, it feels like kind of heavy

1689
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,600
and it feels like it means business, but it's also

1690
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,960
never overbearing and it's never like heavy heavy, you know

1691
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,439
what I mean. You can still have that like just

1692
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,000
real soft touch beauty to it.

1693
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,079
Speaker 2: I mean, my favorite run on this album is the

1694
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:49,279
run of a Fragile Thing through to drone No drone

1695
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:51,199
that sort of like periods of songs when you get

1696
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,199
to that that run where it does it is the

1697
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,640
heavy moment on the record where it does like I think,

1698
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,520
like that fragile thing like SI, It's it kind of

1699
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,359
just rides a bassline and some like last pianos. There's

1700
01:17:01,399 --> 01:17:04,119
not loads going on, but there's a mood and at

1701
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:07,039
tension that they can just draw from that. Quite again,

1702
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:11,119
minimum music that has a like really catchy chorus and

1703
01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:14,680
just kind of constantly moves forward. WARSNG is like a

1704
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,079
slow moving dirge of a song that just kind of

1705
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,920
marched along. The guitars just kind of wail all over

1706
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,279
it and again in a way that is heavy without

1707
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,359
being like crushing destorted guitars heavy. But the emotional weight

1708
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,600
on it really plays is this like downcast morning of

1709
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:32,000
a song.

1710
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that the droning whatever that kind of

1711
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,880
instrument is in terms of like the accordion or whatever

1712
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,119
like organ drone, it is really creates a kind of

1713
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:44,119
inherent tension in the air and peppering into that the

1714
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,319
like you know, lots of sounds and yet kind of a.

1715
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:50,239
Speaker 3: Really little catchy synthoic pepper in there at times.

1716
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounds like I have a lot of

1717
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,960
space between them in that kind of again very droney,

1718
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,560
open air, but it's also oppressive somehow, like the weird

1719
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,279
ghostly percussion you mentioned that kind of hint of like

1720
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:01,840
proper like wave ling rock guitar that sounds cool as

1721
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,119
hell and then bleeds into the next track. I think,

1722
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:06,359
you know, obviously there's like that serves a bit of

1723
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:08,800
a one to two. I guess that feel like they

1724
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,880
kind of go together to me with with with war

1725
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,600
Song and dro Nodron, which hits on this groove after War.

1726
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,079
Speaker 3: Song, almost industrial stomper of a track.

1727
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: It's like the bassline, the distortion on the bass home

1728
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,600
just growls like a panther all of a sudden, and

1729
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,199
the again, the percussive backbone on the kit just like

1730
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,000
thuds along on your head is like locked in with it.

1731
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:35,560
And there's again there's a lot of cool stuff happening

1732
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:36,800
around in the mix with it, like some kind of

1733
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,119
glistening eighties synth, and it's got a really cool, like

1734
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:42,399
snapping vocal delivery from Robert on the chorus. It's the

1735
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,399
closest thing that they can do to like a banger, right,

1736
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,760
but it also super snugly fits into this general vibe

1737
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,199
of like oppressive malaise and drudgery. It's a really sick

1738
01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:55,720
way to like have a center point of an album

1739
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,359
like this that is different to what the opening and

1740
01:18:57,399 --> 01:18:58,159
closing tracks are.

1741
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like my favorite Cure song is Burn,

1742
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,319
so like when they're hitting a similar kind of like

1743
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,079
vibe to that on the album, but again within the

1744
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:08,359
vibe that this particular album hits, I think it just

1745
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,359
is it's such a winner when you get that that

1746
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,880
down down down like like really oppressive, really bleak stark,

1747
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:18,840
but it is catching, it's rocking, and it like say

1748
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:20,840
that locked in just kind of four to four grew

1749
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,159
that just kind of snaps along. I think it is

1750
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:26,239
like such a like great moment to have in the

1751
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,199
middle of this album, and again it's the only time

1752
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:30,119
they really do on this Some said that run of

1753
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:31,840
songs is like the darker sort of piece of it

1754
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,119
where it's a bit bit edgier, but jo John is

1755
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:36,520
like the one off where they actually kind of like

1756
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:38,880
rock really hard with it. And I think there's a

1757
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,920
really cool thing of the album again from the time

1758
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,680
that has songs have a lot sim of the tricks.

1759
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,399
They all have their own identity. Nothing feels like disposed

1760
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,920
or throw away. It's it's really like well thought out

1761
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,319
track list of just kind of taking what's gonna make

1762
01:19:52,319 --> 01:19:54,479
the most impact, what's gonna like be the right song

1763
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,279
to the moment. And I think like it's just like

1764
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,560
really all just well sequenced and it just makes the

1765
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,960
album just an immersive and always interesting and engaging listen.

1766
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think this is an album which

1767
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,279
is focused right, Like, this album feels like it is

1768
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:11,319
moving in one direction with a certain.

1769
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 4: Aim of a mood.

1770
01:20:12,279 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: It feels more album than collection of songs in a

1771
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,399
way that maybe some of the previous Late Cure albums

1772
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:20,479
had been, like The Cell Out and four to thirteen

1773
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,319
Dream are a bit more like grab your highlights, and

1774
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:25,119
this is much more settle in for the whole experience

1775
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:28,000
because it's going to really coherently hang you in that space,

1776
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,079
and forty nine minutes is like quite short for them

1777
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,640
as well. And then when you're looking for a way

1778
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,039
to like end a Cure album like this, which is

1779
01:20:36,079 --> 01:20:41,079
so focused on that particular beauty, beautiful gothic melancholic kind

1780
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:43,000
of space. I mean, like my favorite Cure song is

1781
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,880
the title track on Disintegration. And when you get a

1782
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,439
song like en song and song, yeah, you make it

1783
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,079
ten minutes long, and you make the first six and

1784
01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:53,319
a half minutes of that just that intro, like we

1785
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:56,479
were saying, but it's good, and you're relishing it and

1786
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,520
you're not waiting for it to move on. You're just

1787
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,560
gelling with how utterly sad and delicate. Those high notes

1788
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,039
in the bassline are the building percussion, just like it

1789
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:07,880
has this feeling of something that could almost just play

1790
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,560
on loop forever, you know, just like pure instrumental beauty.

1791
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,479
But fucking hell, I also need those to not be

1792
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,680
the last words Robert Smith ether things on a Cure

1793
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,600
album else that is bleak and crushing, just I'm old

1794
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,760
everyone I loved is dead, left alone with nothing, nothing nothing.

1795
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 2: It is one of those like really stark and like

1796
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:30,760
I almost get sad when Smith comes in on this

1797
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,880
song because it's like, oh God, I have to deal

1798
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,680
with that kind of like the end, because that instrumental

1799
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,119
track to open. I keep forgetting it's ten minutes long.

1800
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:40,840
I don't look at the time on it because it's

1801
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,159
so it sounds incredible, so immersive, and when he does

1802
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:47,000
come in and like again the bit with Smith coming

1803
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,800
in vocal, it's a normal song, Lenk, it's like three

1804
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:49,920
and a half minutes at that point.

1805
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he sounds.

1806
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,039
Speaker 2: Great, but it is just like he is just bleeding

1807
01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:58,520
his heart out at the loss of everything and kind

1808
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:59,239
of just kind of like.

1809
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:01,119
Speaker 3: Make peace with this is it?

1810
01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:03,119
Speaker 2: It's all gone, Like that's all he's saw of singing

1811
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,520
like and again that left alone with nothing at the

1812
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,720
end of every song was like, ah, fuck me, this

1813
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,960
is league and like painful music that again like it

1814
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,760
feels like this is gonna be the final state for

1815
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,640
the cure, which.

1816
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't actually, I don't think it's supposed to be.

1817
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,279
I think he allegedly here. I know it might turn

1818
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,319
say another several years, turn up whatever, but he has

1819
01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:25,279
that there is supposed to be more coming, which you know.

1820
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 3: I'd be happy with that.

1821
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 2: But I think this because obviously this is so much

1822
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,399
dealing with that finality that that's that's a clear thought

1823
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,359
that was like lingering in their head when they were

1824
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,600
in the writing of this album because of again they

1825
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,199
probably have seen friends and famis so many friends and

1826
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,199
family come and go now and it colors everything they do,

1827
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:47,880
so it is it is a and again a genuinely

1828
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,840
sad melancholic but there are there again the most they

1829
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:55,039
find beauty within it. I think going back to track two,

1830
01:22:55,039 --> 01:22:58,680
where it's kind of like being by a person's side

1831
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,520
as they die and kind of like promise to be

1832
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,399
of them and be what's after is like a really

1833
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:05,600
beautiful sentiment, so like it can still find some light

1834
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,439
within these really hard times. But yeah, as the sort

1835
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,920
of definished of seOne of this album, end song is

1836
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,359
about as crushing as it gets.

1837
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just I'm I'm trained to lean a

1838
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,479
certain way with this, where every single synth line on

1839
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,239
it and burgeoning bass part just has me getting all

1840
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:24,560
kind of misty eyed and staring out into the rain

1841
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,880
and pondering things and doing all the things a Cure

1842
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,600
record stereotypically is meant to make you do. Yeah, they

1843
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,439
just they have an ability as a band to touch

1844
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,800
a you know, certain spot inside your being that other

1845
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,239
bands don't quite reach. And just like unquestionably without thinking

1846
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:39,359
with it. Really, I'm just going with that on this album,

1847
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:41,640
and that's I think that's really the good thing about it.

1848
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,720
There's no second guessing anything on this, you know, like

1849
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,920
they've just turned up and they're the cure again and

1850
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,319
the way that we feel about them hasn't changed. And

1851
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:50,880
it's it's not a leap this album. It's not a revelation,

1852
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:53,239
but it stirs up a whole load of emotions in me,

1853
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:54,319
and I do think it is one of their more

1854
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:58,640
emotionally unavoidable in that sense statement they have put out

1855
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,920
in you know, several albums, and it's it's been a

1856
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,000
real treat these past couple of years getting some of

1857
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,520
these like late bursts of form from some of it. Again,

1858
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,960
it's like goth great, so you'd kind of you'd forgive

1859
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,119
these bands just trading on legacy forever. But like again,

1860
01:24:11,239 --> 01:24:13,439
you know, the the Depeche Mode album Mementa Maury, which

1861
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,479
is an album that I genuinely love still and I

1862
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,840
think that was their best album since the nineties. This one,

1863
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,359
like a lot of the reviews I've read have jumped

1864
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:23,359
to call it like the best albums in disintegration, because

1865
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:25,279
that's the big quote you can put in the headlines.

1866
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:26,880
That's a big call for me right now. But at

1867
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,439
the very least I'd say it's the best. It's Wish,

1868
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,920
and you know, it could well be. You know, I

1869
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,039
think people proclaiming that on day one was a bit much.

1870
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:35,199
Come on, but it could be. And Wish is a

1871
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:37,800
fucking serious album, Like it has their biggest single on

1872
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,600
it and some of their most beautiful songs on it

1873
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,359
as well. And even like, you know, we mentioned Blood Flowers,

1874
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:45,000
which I've I've always viewed as like cool, that's the

1875
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:46,960
ceiling of Cure in the two thousands, Like that's the

1876
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:49,520
late high water mark, and it's still really really good,

1877
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,199
and I'm I'm thrilled and delighted to have something just

1878
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:53,199
pushed through that like this.

1879
01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1880
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,079
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Like I mean this am if you be

1881
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,920
making a nice kind of like for like comparison to

1882
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,319
Blood Flowers kind of be like what that album and

1883
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,640
it's like, if it really lived up to its four

1884
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,479
potential could be something like this. But yeah, I think

1885
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,359
this is just like the first Cure album that's coming

1886
01:25:11,359 --> 01:25:12,640
out in my time being a fan, being an album

1887
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,319
this good with something I was like, I was very

1888
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,520
very happy to hear despite how like I say, like

1889
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,439
stare out the window feeling sad.

1890
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,319
Speaker 3: This album will make you be.

1891
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,119
Speaker 2: But it is just a great kind of example of

1892
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:25,760
what a band like, what a special what a truth

1893
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,279
special bond the car that they can come back this

1894
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:29,039
late in their career after so long and kind of

1895
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,960
go like nothing's no, we've not missed a step.

1896
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:32,359
Speaker 4: Here you go.

1897
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: Here is like an album that should probably be considered

1898
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,560
a classic in their catalog full of classics.

1899
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe at this rate. The Sisters of

1900
01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:42,199
Mercy who released that album of all the songs they've

1901
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,079
written and played lights in the nineties.

1902
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:44,239
Speaker 4: You never know.

1903
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: There you go the cure. What a what a wonderful

1904
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,399
thing to have that album dropped in our laps. At last,

1905
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:55,840
we move on to the review I've been kind of

1906
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,720
most looking forward to in this episode. I think Opeth

1907
01:25:59,279 --> 01:26:00,840
the Last Will and Testament.

1908
01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 4: Here we go.

1909
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Everybody, get your your cheeseboards and your vintage wine at

1910
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,960
the ready, because the new Opeth album is the follow

1911
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:11,000
up to twenty nineteen's in cowder Veninum, which is five

1912
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:13,199
whole years. For the first time in my memory, it

1913
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,239
feels like we've had to wait for New Opeth for

1914
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:17,319
a bit more so, maybe personally because of the fact

1915
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:18,000
that I really loved.

1916
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 4: In Kowd of Vanenem. I was really huge one it

1917
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:20,199
at the time.

1918
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:23,319
Speaker 1: And when we got our first tastes from this album,

1919
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:26,840
it was something other than we had come to expect,

1920
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,239
I suppose because very neatly, of course, in terms of

1921
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:31,319
where it began and how it ended up sort of transitioning.

1922
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,000
The twenty tens for Opeth were the decade where they

1923
01:26:35,039 --> 01:26:38,640
departed from the realm of extreme metal and fully embraced

1924
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:42,319
the corduroy attire of a progressive rock band. And again,

1925
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:43,880
you know, we were talking about that some of their

1926
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,079
work in the last decade just last week on the special.

1927
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:49,039
But there is a camp of folks for whom people

1928
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:52,840
you know, for whom Opeth ditching the death metal just

1929
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,880
sapped all their interest in them. And then there is

1930
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,840
a camp of people who you know, stayed interesting and

1931
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,399
continue to look forward to their albums. I personally, I

1932
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,000
always liked the twenty tens Opath albums, but I really

1933
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,159
had the realization when the last one in Cowdevenem come

1934
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:10,920
out that that's a very strange, seedy eccentric but in

1935
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,960
a twisted, poisonous kind of way album, which is that

1936
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,680
it's not really the metal that made classic Opeth, it's

1937
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,039
the atmosphere. It's you know, I've I've mentioned that, you know,

1938
01:27:20,119 --> 01:27:21,880
it's My favorites of the twenty tens records are that

1939
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,760
one in Pale Communion, and they both have this kind

1940
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,039
of like unsettling darkness lying right beneath a like trim

1941
01:27:28,079 --> 01:27:29,399
well groomed surface.

1942
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 4: Kind of quality.

1943
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,399
Speaker 1: But to me, tonally is what links them to the

1944
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,159
likes of Ghost Reveries and Watershed, even if you know

1945
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:37,920
Michael never goes gour on them. So I didn't expect

1946
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,840
that we would get a return to tradition Opeth album,

1947
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:45,199
nor was I necessarily pining for one, But the release

1948
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:47,079
of the first track from the Last Will and Testament

1949
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:50,159
undeniably made me kick my legs like a little girl

1950
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:52,359
with glee because the rush of like, oh my god,

1951
01:27:52,399 --> 01:27:55,239
that it felt like my circle collectively had when like

1952
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,680
a thunderous, demonic Opeth track turns up. Because they're a band,

1953
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,399
I are one of the most foundational for an entire

1954
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,840
generation of a certain stripe of metal fan, Like if

1955
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,520
you were getting into extreme metal at any point between

1956
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,800
like the end of the nineties and the end of

1957
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,960
the two thousands. Peak Opeth albums probably mean a tremendous

1958
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,920
amount to you. The last Opeth album with any particular

1959
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,359
connection to metal was Watershed in two thousand and eight.

1960
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,359
I remind you, thrown back to a RelA conversation, I

1961
01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:23,159
was twelve in two thousand and eight. I got into

1962
01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:25,079
Opeth a couple of years later. Two thousand and eight

1963
01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:27,640
was also the year that the last Bloodbath album with

1964
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,760
Michael on it came out. So unbelievably considering that this

1965
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,199
is a band I feel like I've loved almost for

1966
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,039
the whole time I've been into metal, this is the

1967
01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:37,800
first time I have heard a new album with Michael

1968
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,399
like about growling on it, and so, having already been

1969
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,720
enjoying recent Opeth albums, injecting that metal element back into it,

1970
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:48,479
you know, from the days I really love the most,

1971
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,520
did feel like kind of coming home to some degree.

1972
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:56,760
And this thing is what is ridiculous about this album.

1973
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,479
I got said this album a fair while ago because

1974
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,840
the initial release date got pushed back as well, and

1975
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,840
you're going there with that mindset of oh cool, new Opeth.

1976
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,680
The word is they've gone metal again. I feel like

1977
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:11,439
Opeth have trolled us all spectacularly because it's not that

1978
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,399
the metal album. The metal element isn't here, right, Oh,

1979
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,039
they dictates us with a single or something and then

1980
01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:18,359
the rest is all prog ballads, like the metal is here,

1981
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:23,880
but they have put it in their most hysterically prog

1982
01:29:24,039 --> 01:29:27,800
album at least since Heritage. I think you could maybe

1983
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,600
make the case forever. I was like, Oh, Opeth, you scoundrels,

1984
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,520
you fooled us. This album is so mentally prog that

1985
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,079
I think it takes more listens than usual to actually

1986
01:29:38,079 --> 01:29:40,560
get to grips with for Opeth, rather than it being

1987
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,720
the kind of immediately gratifying return to familiarity that maybe

1988
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:46,840
the old heads were gearing themselves up for. The only

1989
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,640
album that is as mustache twirling as this one is Heritage.

1990
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,079
This is, like, I guess, just heavier, evil, demonic mustache

1991
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:57,159
twirling Sam. Yes, Elliott has not been able to be

1992
01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:59,359
here with us on this album reviews, and I was really,

1993
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,119
you know, I was. I was envisioning me and Elliott

1994
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,720
could go all in on what are the things that

1995
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,039
make this particular? Opeth Records special or different or whatever.

1996
01:30:07,279 --> 01:30:10,680
But it's a such a funny album to be the

1997
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,800
first Opeth album that you talk about us kind of

1998
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:19,079
with in any you know, particular capacity. Because it is heavier,

1999
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:23,000
more metal Opeth than we have recently known, maybe we

2000
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,840
would be inclined to like that more than like full

2001
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,319
seventies Opeth, but equally oop there's organ solos everywhere. There's

2002
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,239
Ian Anderson playing the flute. Sorry, everyone, all of.

2003
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:37,319
Speaker 2: The hard work speed did you know for the flute

2004
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,880
washers and an Opef come along and do this? No

2005
01:30:41,159 --> 01:30:43,880
so for me Opef Like I've never been the big jem.

2006
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:46,840
I listened to like Ghost Reveries, Water Shared Black Pop

2007
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,239
because I was in the early twenty times, because I

2008
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:50,880
called their classic metal albums. And I do like those

2009
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,039
albums because they are classic metal albums. I don't like

2010
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,079
progo Ope, like purely progo pef. I've not really cared

2011
01:30:57,119 --> 01:30:58,840
for any of this sort of stuff. I've kind of

2012
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,720
poo pooed them off a lot. I really tried to

2013
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,840
make the effort to meet this album on its terms,

2014
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,399
and there is stuff on this album that I'm.

2015
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:09,319
Speaker 3: Not going to immediately be dismissive of. It's mental.

2016
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 4: It's so wild.

2017
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: I was laughing the first time I heard it was

2018
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,960
like I can't believe they've fooled us in with like,

2019
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,920
oh yeah, there's gonna be more. But Angel riffs again

2020
01:31:18,039 --> 01:31:20,960
and then it's just the wackiest hit.

2021
01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:25,199
Speaker 2: I think the first track is like genuinely pretty cool,

2022
01:31:25,279 --> 01:31:28,239
like it's it is quite heavy and intense. The first

2023
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:30,840
two minutes in particular are really kind of at it.

2024
01:31:31,119 --> 01:31:33,399
The riffing is still kind of that like kind of

2025
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,279
like prog riffing as opposed to metal riffing, but it

2026
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:40,039
is when played against those vocals, there is a darkness

2027
01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:42,319
and intensity to do it, and then you get those

2028
01:31:42,359 --> 01:31:44,239
clean vocals and I was like, uh, there it is,

2029
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,039
and it just goes like in weird directions with ghostly

2030
01:31:49,119 --> 01:31:52,640
sort of female vocals the whole like the last one

2031
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,279
and Testament, but when ever pinned that towards, Yeah, that

2032
01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:57,239
goes pretty hard and then you get a minute of

2033
01:31:57,239 --> 01:31:59,640
classical sort music coming out the back of that is

2034
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,720
like this film was like the most Opeth Opeth can be.

2035
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: They are I have the exact centers in my notes.

2036
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,479
I don't think this is the best Opeth album, but

2037
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:08,960
it is the most Open.

2038
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Album, Like I've not listened to every Opeth album. I've

2039
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,399
listened to those, Like why I was just like the

2040
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,000
like classic three. I guess I don't know if they

2041
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,520
are the classic three. There what I always told with

2042
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,560
in the classics, they're the big ones.

2043
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,319
Speaker 1: My my favorite one is not is one that you've

2044
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:22,319
not actually mentioned, but you know it's still Life. Yeah

2045
01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:24,800
that's a conversation for another day, but yeah, no, that's what.

2046
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,079
Speaker 2: I should probably listen to at some point, Like I'm

2047
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:29,640
sure I probably would actually quite like that one. I

2048
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,760
don't like any of the twenty ten's open albums. I

2049
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,840
remember listening to Sources when it came out and being like,

2050
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:39,079
oh god, when will it end? But like when Open,

2051
01:32:39,159 --> 01:32:42,359
I'm kind of bringing it all together. It does make

2052
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,479
like for a kind of fascinating listen when there's so

2053
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,119
much and it's not just prog mustache twelling, it's that

2054
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:53,560
mixed with bits of death metal and bits of all

2055
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,000
kinds of other stuff. Probably again, I think that this

2056
01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:58,079
is what is so many of the Queen melodies is

2057
01:32:58,079 --> 01:33:00,439
pure musical theater from and like people all kind of

2058
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,640
it's going over Like you would not give a musical

2059
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,479
a chance, but you're letting mister ope here, I think

2060
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,000
do his like big cheesy musical theater lines.

2061
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2062
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Whatever, Well, I mean, let me let me remind you

2063
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,600
that I am a power metal fan, so I'm not

2064
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,239
entirely against I don't know over the top grand during vocals, ever,

2065
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:19,279
I think he does draw on some different vocal reference

2066
01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:20,880
points that I will maybe bring in a little bit later.

2067
01:33:21,399 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2068
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: I just it was so funny not only getting this

2069
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,600
but also then knowing, Oh, it's just me and Sam

2070
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:26,119
reviewing this.

2071
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:27,199
Speaker 4: How the fuck is this?

2072
01:33:27,279 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: Kellian dropped that mob earlier today.

2073
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,199
Speaker 4: I was like, is this gonna go?

2074
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,319
Speaker 1: Because I have a lot to say about this album,

2075
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,399
but I was like, it's gonna be way too fucking

2076
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:41,720
flutes and samba for for you. I I do think

2077
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,439
this album is fantastic, and I think it's really exciting

2078
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:49,640
as an Opath fan, not as some return to form,

2079
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,760
because reality, I don't think they ever really lost that.

2080
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:56,960
It's because it uses their whole history and the different

2081
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,159
guysers of their band basically as like a foundational springboard

2082
01:34:01,279 --> 01:34:03,800
to then reach a new level of some kind of ambition.

2083
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,680
Because again, as you've probably read this as a concept album,

2084
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,640
tells a very elaborate, twisty story that won't get into

2085
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,479
details of but it's the first time they've done that

2086
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,600
since still Life and twenty five years later becoming you know,

2087
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,159
all the more a prog band. They really use that

2088
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,439
concept idea to like run wild sonically and cram as

2089
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,920
many like bizarre details in as possible. It's like they've basically,

2090
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,039
you know, you've asked which version of Opeth do they

2091
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:29,720
want to be, and they've gone yes again.

2092
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,319
Speaker 4: That's why you hear on this album.

2093
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: The first track, paragraph one, is one of my very

2094
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,600
favorite Opeth tracks released in the fifteen years that I've

2095
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,319
been a fan. Like that track, it does just feel

2096
01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:43,800
like all my Christmas has come at once because I think,

2097
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,239
you know, we could tell that there would be some

2098
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:48,439
sort of fusion of new and old there essentially because

2099
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,479
it fucking crunches right like. It's the hardest riff since

2100
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,479
the last time they played death metal. And when Michael comes.

2101
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 4: In with a drape tune in death Like, it.

2102
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,399
Speaker 1: Might make a little bit of a week come out. It's

2103
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,680
so good, but it it's also like weird and eccentric.

2104
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,359
It has that scary, queasy synth oscillation on the riff,

2105
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:09,359
which I love because it creates this like haunted house

2106
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,399
quality that Opeth are really good at, whether they're playing

2107
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,560
prog or death metal. That's like a through line they have.

2108
01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:16,479
And then it breaks in the middle of like the

2109
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,039
haunted accordion section and Michael does that like slightly kookier,

2110
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,039
warblier singing voice where I saw in an interview that

2111
01:35:23,079 --> 01:35:25,399
he said he's been really inspired by Scott Walker, so

2112
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,640
he's trying to do that kind of thing. It's a

2113
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,560
little bit more unsettling rather than his Like when Michael

2114
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,079
would sing in the earlier days, it'd be almost purely

2115
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:35,119
kind of pretty stuff in contrast to you know, the

2116
01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:37,640
death metal voice. But here he's like bringing out some

2117
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:42,159
of that eccentricity again in the clean singing, and that

2118
01:35:42,199 --> 01:35:45,680
immediate to me is like in cowd of veneem Energy,

2119
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,720
because that like weird upper class mansion of secrets and

2120
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,720
horrors that I imagine the house on that album cover

2121
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:54,239
being very much has a kinchip with this. It's just

2122
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:57,439
this has also brought in the heavier metal elements again

2123
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,920
and then run wild with the septual side.

2124
01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like, I don't care for any

2125
01:36:03,279 --> 01:36:05,920
of the conception narrative, but I can see this album.

2126
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:08,640
It kinds up the image of a very large English

2127
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,279
manner on a hill somewhere in the countryside, cobwebs in

2128
01:36:12,319 --> 01:36:15,119
the corners, like kind of like it's it's kind of

2129
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:17,119
like decaying and aging and they're trying to sort of

2130
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:18,840
move on from that, and there's all kind of things

2131
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,760
of legacy and heritage and it is again I don't

2132
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,840
really care for it. It is evocative of that through the

2133
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,079
sound of the album, through all the mental twists and

2134
01:36:28,119 --> 01:36:31,239
turns they take. So I can't begrudge them that in

2135
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:33,960
that they have their vision, they are realizing it, and

2136
01:36:34,039 --> 01:36:36,039
if you're into that, I think, like you'll find this

2137
01:36:36,039 --> 01:36:39,000
album to be really kind of like rich in detail,

2138
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:41,840
which I think is obviously what OPEF are aiming for

2139
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:42,560
on this sort of thing.

2140
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paragraph one I think to me the most immediate

2141
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,159
crowd pleasing track on the album.

2142
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 2: And so funny that that's the immediate crowd pleaser because

2143
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,640
it still has that mental bit in the middle like

2144
01:36:54,039 --> 01:36:55,920
it does, but a lot of the rest of the

2145
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,720
alum where they had, like again the paragraphs for song

2146
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,520
titles and the kind of the focus weaving them together

2147
01:37:01,079 --> 01:37:02,880
to borrow a term from Blood and caantation that you

2148
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:03,800
sometimes feel more.

2149
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Like tablets of something larger necessarily than like, you know,

2150
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,079
try picking the singles from the rest of this, you

2151
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:11,760
know what I mean. But paragraph two has this like

2152
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,880
insane seventies of a riff, which is a riff that

2153
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,560
I think only post twenty ten Opeth would come out with,

2154
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,279
because again in the earlier days when they borrow from

2155
01:37:22,319 --> 01:37:24,800
prog Rocket, it'd be more like the sort of candle

2156
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:26,920
lit tasteful stuff. And then they just went fuck it

2157
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:28,479
and started rocking for the dads. And that's what I

2158
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,000
hear in that riff. But that song seems to have

2159
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,439
about three four different songs than it only about five

2160
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,279
minutes long, Like and over riffs like that, they've got

2161
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,119
as much spoken word for me and Anderson and jeth

2162
01:37:40,119 --> 01:37:42,560
O atwel as a night Wish or a Thomas Screws

2163
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,239
McDuck album, you know, reading out legal mesitations. So it's

2164
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:49,920
a really like lock you in experience much more than

2165
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,119
it's interested in being like a ripper, even though I

2166
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:55,319
frequently think the riffs do rip, may even fuck as well,

2167
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,479
But that's the kind of the vibe as an album.

2168
01:37:58,039 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: So you say, Ris, the opening rift of parag Are Freight,

2169
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,199
that's really good, that rift goes.

2170
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,039
Speaker 3: But this one thing I do not, particularly the second one.

2171
01:38:05,039 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: It's like, these songs do cover a lot of ground

2172
01:38:08,079 --> 01:38:10,640
in quite economical fashion. It's kind of surprised at how

2173
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,000
like to the point they are despite the fact they

2174
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:16,439
go all over the fucking shop. And I think that

2175
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,880
that's quite impressive actually that they are. They are all

2176
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:20,880
of these like you said that, there's that that weird

2177
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,479
jaunty stratting riff with spoken word stuff, and then it's

2178
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:28,279
like bizarre prog flourishes. There's bits of death metal throw

2179
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:31,600
in there. You get a keyboard solo and like bin

2180
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,039
that off if you ask me, But it doesn't come

2181
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:37,840
for too long, that whole like reclaim your Soul bit

2182
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,119
towards the end. So theater like Oprah fans would love

2183
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:44,680
fans of the opera if you ask me, sure why not? Yeah,

2184
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,479
Like but it is but again it's it's it's from

2185
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,399
all these ideas, but it's not like they don't feel

2186
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,720
kind of like randomly shoved in there. Everything it's kind

2187
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,439
of given its room to breathe about overtaking too much time.

2188
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,199
And this is what I'm saying that I'm trying to

2189
01:38:57,199 --> 01:38:59,439
meet this album on its terms. I really ad did

2190
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,600
make it. Yeah, yeah, I mean this album what it wants.

2191
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and I think that, you know, again to mention,

2192
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,760
I think it's to both bands amense credit. I guess

2193
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,880
that I think the only death metal album you could

2194
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:12,920
say this year that covers as much ground as well

2195
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,239
as the Blood Countation album, right yeah, And that's the

2196
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:16,680
fact that Opeth are.

2197
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,039
Speaker 4: Still cramming in this much shit.

2198
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,319
Speaker 1: The kind of and the keep up with that is

2199
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,600
really impressive. I really like the way that the Growls

2200
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,680
have made their way back into this album, because it

2201
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:28,520
is on more of the album than you might expect,

2202
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,680
I guess. But also, and I don't think you necessarily have

2203
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,279
to like dive super into the concept. But I think

2204
01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:38,079
he the way he's deploying the vocals is largely in

2205
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:40,760
the kind of conceptual role of like a certain voice,

2206
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,640
the way it would be and like an Opua opera

2207
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,920
or something, you know, because it is the like the

2208
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,119
last will and Testament of Farther, as he says in

2209
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:50,079
you know, the first track, So it has this feel

2210
01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:54,600
of like the real booming, looming patriarch figure on this

2211
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,159
kind of throwing down those like demands upon the others.

2212
01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:00,159
He also does a very tom G warrior esk few

2213
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,920
separate times in the album, which I liked every time

2214
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,800
it happened. But paragraph three you mentioned is really great.

2215
01:40:05,159 --> 01:40:06,880
One of my favorite song on the album, Paragraph three.

2216
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,520
I think that song is great. The way the riff

2217
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,840
escalates in just like the first twenty seconds of its

2218
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,800
playing is so out there and so like who the

2219
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,680
fuck wrote this and put this series of like slippery

2220
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,560
notes together. But it's also strangely sticky and I speak

2221
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,199
with like the strings accenting them everything. It's a little

2222
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:25,079
bit like a prog metal living is a problem because

2223
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:26,159
everything dies the way it kind of.

2224
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 4: Like, you know what I mean.

2225
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,279
Speaker 1: And the prog rock grooves again, I think Opeth have

2226
01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:33,159
been great at that for the last several years. The

2227
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:36,079
bass lines and the way that the new drummer Valterie,

2228
01:40:36,079 --> 01:40:37,720
who uh he's the guy who played on the last

2229
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,319
several Paradise Lost albums. He's now the new Opeth drummer,

2230
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,600
and the way he's adapted to those kind of grooves.

2231
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,319
He's superb on this and I didn't necessarily know that

2232
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:47,640
he like from his stint in Paradise Loss, which is

2233
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,720
more sort of straightforward, that he had this level of

2234
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,960
like prog dexterity in him, but he gives a real

2235
01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:57,000
propulsion like the bass groove in paragraph four is full

2236
01:40:57,039 --> 01:41:01,199
on Italian goblin profondo rossovie going on with that, and

2237
01:41:01,239 --> 01:41:03,199
it's so slick and so much fun, and I think

2238
01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:07,000
it really this rewards the Opeth fan with a taste

2239
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,560
for eccentricity, because I mean even the way like he

2240
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,560
can introduce a growl part with a descending no no

2241
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,079
no beforehand, right like this thing. It's not built on choruses,

2242
01:41:16,119 --> 01:41:18,119
even in the way that they're twenty ten's albums could

2243
01:41:18,119 --> 01:41:21,600
be built on choruses. This is much more like throwing

2244
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,000
out odd ball grabbing while they're flying past hooks like

2245
01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:27,000
that before then moving into a fucking extended harp section

2246
01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:31,079
and then lo and behold the jeath throw tull movement.

2247
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: So the paragraph four is where this album did lose me.

2248
01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:38,479
I love it so much. It's so sick, like like

2249
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,560
the harp solo was. Ah, they couldn't help themselves, could they?

2250
01:41:42,039 --> 01:41:44,399
Speaker 4: Like putting in a very lovely section. No, they couldn't.

2251
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,079
Speaker 2: No, and then and then the flute solo, like oh,

2252
01:41:48,119 --> 01:41:49,840
I was like, god damn it, at least speed what

2253
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,319
in the flute's over a breakdown?

2254
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 4: This is better, better than the speed one. I'm gonna

2255
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:54,079
say it.

2256
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,279
Speaker 2: There's more to this speed one. But you know, like

2257
01:41:58,399 --> 01:41:59,439
this rule so much.

2258
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:03,279
Speaker 1: It's like my brain registers it as like I'm tailing

2259
01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:05,399
a suspect in an Italian Crane movie, you know what

2260
01:42:05,399 --> 01:42:08,760
I mean. It's almost like having like a full on,

2261
01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:11,319
you know, Ian Anson flute solo or is almost like

2262
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,199
a long time coming prophecy fulfilled for Opeth.

2263
01:42:14,359 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 3: It feels like a moment like they've been building to.

2264
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my brain just registers that as being so

2265
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,119
fucking cool, And like people who don't like Opeth will

2266
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,880
obviously have the complete opposite reaction to that, But I'm

2267
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,520
just grinning through that, like, yeah, give you all the

2268
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,520
flute jams you got. It's so fucking sick.

2269
01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I said, I hate the flu solo.

2270
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:34,039
Speaker 2: The guitar shower that follows though, that rocks, and there's

2271
01:42:34,039 --> 01:42:37,399
absolutely heavy riff to come after that. So like this

2272
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,920
someone just like does capture like the two extremes of

2273
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,640
my feelings for Opeth like it has it all and

2274
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,119
again like again that that's that is what we say

2275
01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:49,119
with this album is just the most ope going back

2276
01:42:49,159 --> 01:42:51,000
to Perilfribas and like that's got those kind of like

2277
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:54,479
slightly sympodic metal and kind of like Eastern flavors in there,

2278
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,479
but they've done really tastefully like they're not done with

2279
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,680
the most like bombast, but it feels a bit more

2280
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,720
fit with what Opef are going for. They deploy it

2281
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,079
in a way that's more kind of like not subdued,

2282
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,800
but just tasteful within the sound of the record. And

2283
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,079
I think every time they they even when they're doing

2284
01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:12,760
a fucking harp soon and flute solo, like for all

2285
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,039
my like eye rolling I hate prog moments, they're quite

2286
01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:16,960
tastefully deployed.

2287
01:43:17,039 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 4: To Opef's credit.

2288
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll just tell you, if that flute

2289
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,479
solo section, if that was in the score for like

2290
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:23,920
All the Colors of the Dark.

2291
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,119
Speaker 4: Or something, you would love it.

2292
01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 2: You're right, You're probably right, so great, it's just within

2293
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,680
this whole sound. It always just comes to me. I

2294
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,399
was like, god fucking dammit, Yeah.

2295
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:36,199
Speaker 1: I'm just so open to it, and in paragraph six

2296
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:39,720
there's a trading guitar solo and since solo, and the

2297
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,399
since solo is so fucking insane. I love it, absolute

2298
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,640
horns up for that. But the thing like that, again,

2299
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:48,039
part of the reason this stuffs worked so well for

2300
01:43:48,079 --> 01:43:50,520
Opeth is they set the stage for it to be

2301
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,239
like darker and weirder and heavier with it because again,

2302
01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:56,760
like in counter Venem like that, this record has like

2303
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:01,279
weird burts of like bright happy part with like hand claps,

2304
01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:02,279
and there's.

2305
01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 2: Opening to paragraph six it's like big yeah, driving drum

2306
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,640
beat and comings like aor guitars on it.

2307
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: There's there's one part where there's almost like a Michael

2308
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,600
Aackefelt barbershop quartet that just delivers like one line of

2309
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,600
like a grave mistake of sun and coold black, and

2310
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:17,359
it just it just disarms you more. And like I said,

2311
01:44:17,399 --> 01:44:20,920
the grooves are so good in terms of like the

2312
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,119
crazy beat in six, the kind of like Latin groove

2313
01:44:24,119 --> 01:44:26,439
he does in paragraph five, which you know, like walk out,

2314
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,800
not loose, just that kind of Spanish guitar lick, and

2315
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,880
he makes that drum part sound so natural and pleasurable.

2316
01:44:33,399 --> 01:44:34,560
And there is there's a rift in the middle of

2317
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,119
that song that does, for the first time in a

2318
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:39,159
long time talking about bringing the extreme metal in alongside

2319
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:42,640
the progue as well the famous like extended breakdown section

2320
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:45,479
of Deliverance that ends every Opath setlist, and it has this.

2321
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 4: Very particular rhythm to it.

2322
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 1: There's a rift in the middle of five that kind

2323
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,640
of gives me some of that same like heavy rhythmic trickiness,

2324
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,119
and that was like really exciting to hear that kind

2325
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:55,199
of make its way into the context of everything else.

2326
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,520
This is like, you know, it's a prog death metal

2327
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,920
song with like a Middle Eastern passage and a Flamenco

2328
01:45:02,039 --> 01:45:03,680
edge and stuff and all of these like blink and

2329
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:05,760
your miss it moments I mentioned before. And I think

2330
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,760
it works and I can follow the flow of it,

2331
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,079
and I feel like it has purpose, and I think

2332
01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:11,920
that is the seal that we can give to Opeth.

2333
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,520
Like this album will so not be for everyone, even

2334
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,359
amongst Opeth fans. It might end up being like too

2335
01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:20,079
kind of hardcore prog for some people. But you know,

2336
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:21,640
if you don't like Opeth, this will probably send you

2337
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:23,199
run in the other direction. Even though there are now

2338
01:45:23,399 --> 01:45:26,359
the metal parts now back into it. But fundamentally, I

2339
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:28,720
don't think there are many bands who could operate at

2340
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,079
the skill level required to make this whole thing play

2341
01:45:32,119 --> 01:45:34,119
out and work the way I think it does in

2342
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:34,840
opes hands.

2343
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Do you know again, someone who's so not to this,

2344
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,319
I'm willing to agree. I think this is admirable, impre's

2345
01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:46,239
some I don't personally love it, Like I think it's

2346
01:45:46,279 --> 01:45:47,960
been a little bit shown up on the prog fund

2347
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,920
by the Blood Incantation now, which I think is just

2348
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:53,199
a like masterful, like untouchable creation. I think this is

2349
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,159
still just a little like it doesn't have the exact

2350
01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:00,479
thrills that Blood in Connation does to really set the

2351
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,479
prog kind of like flights of fancy. But I do

2352
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:08,239
think there is like a very classy, stately sort of accomplished,

2353
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,119
impressive musicianship to this. But it's not it's not It

2354
01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:16,000
doesn't completely push your way, even though it is a

2355
01:46:16,119 --> 01:46:20,720
consm bombardment of ideas and sounds like I may at

2356
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,039
some point have to revisit some of those twenty tens

2357
01:46:23,079 --> 01:46:25,960
prog op albums and see has my assessment on them change,

2358
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:26,479
because I do.

2359
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,399
Speaker 3: I don't find this like boring or unlistenable.

2360
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,159
Speaker 2: It's just it's just noting that I kind of love

2361
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:35,319
but I'll ham on hands and with like you know, over

2362
01:46:35,359 --> 01:46:37,239
you've done something like impressive here.

2363
01:46:37,359 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love the way that the part

2364
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:44,159
that paragraph seven ends on creates again almost like another

2365
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:45,479
one of those grooves that feels like it would just

2366
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,600
be the perfect kind of ride out into the ending

2367
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:50,319
of the album type beat. But it's almost it's the

2368
01:46:50,399 --> 01:46:52,520
ending of that particular arc of the album becase it's

2369
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,560
the last paragraph track. And then you have the epilogue track,

2370
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:55,399
A Story Never Told.

2371
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 2: I was like, say that feels like kind of like

2372
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,479
a very somber epilogue to sort of strip it back

2373
01:46:59,520 --> 01:46:59,680
at the.

2374
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:05,159
Speaker 1: End, and it's beautiful and it's so like exquisitely delicate.

2375
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:07,159
Where I guess something that maybe hasn't said that is

2376
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:09,039
that Opeth are one of the best bands are ballad

2377
01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:12,520
that we actually have and it's so great that song,

2378
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,199
And uh, I think it would be a misnomer, as

2379
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:18,119
it always kind of is with these discussions seemingly to

2380
01:47:18,199 --> 01:47:21,439
imply that this is going back to like Blackwater Park

2381
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,760
or Ghost Reveries or whatever style classic Opeth. I think

2382
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:27,640
the approach is fundamentally different and all of the tricks

2383
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,720
and the sounds that they've amassed over the last few years,

2384
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,279
this thoroughly reads as latter day Opeth to me. But

2385
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,560
you know those millennial Opath fans pining for the grouse

2386
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:38,680
I mentioned, they do largely seem happy, So maybe grouse

2387
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:40,880
is all you need to kind of have them swallow

2388
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:44,199
whatever Zamy excursions Michael wants to take them on. Even

2389
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:46,960
like the Travis Smith artwork just reads as like cozy

2390
01:47:47,039 --> 01:47:49,720
classic Opeth to me in a way that you know,

2391
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,439
I love. But this is so much more than a

2392
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,279
just return to metal Opeth album. Like, I think it's

2393
01:47:56,279 --> 01:47:58,199
not regressive at all. No, I think what is really

2394
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:02,199
cool about this is I think it's ambitious beyond you know,

2395
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,479
what you would expect of any band lesser than Opeth

2396
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,640
on their fourteenth album, right, Like, this is genuinely something

2397
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,439
they've not quite done before, and it's it's mad, right,

2398
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,479
And I'm a huge Opeth fan and I heard this

2399
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,079
and I thought, Wow, there's a lot of shit going

2400
01:48:14,119 --> 01:48:16,199
on here, and I'm going to be getting to grips

2401
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:17,640
with it for a while, I think. But it just

2402
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,039
it made me smile a lot this album, and I

2403
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:22,920
think I'm really I'm fascinated about what that means, because

2404
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,720
if this is I guess you could say this is

2405
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:28,159
the dawn of like a new fourth stage of their discography,

2406
01:48:28,199 --> 01:48:29,960
maybe where kind of everything goes like it could be

2407
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,199
a metal album, it could not be whatever they feel

2408
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:35,039
like on the day. I think Opeth have always been

2409
01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:37,520
a great band fundamentally, but I think this certainly makes

2410
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,880
them a more unpredictable one. And I think it's admirable

2411
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:42,399
on the part of Michael as well that he kind

2412
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,279
of recognized that with what they were doing with like

2413
01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:47,560
the purely clean style prog that I guess they hit

2414
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:49,319
a ceiling with it, you know, because the kind of

2415
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:51,319
accusations that we've been doing it for about a decade,

2416
01:48:51,319 --> 01:48:53,520
haven't they? So yeah, but you know, the accusation that

2417
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,199
were always level like are you just progressive anymore? Like

2418
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:59,119
are you still progressive if you are just doing you know,

2419
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,279
shit from the seventies? I mean, but he kind of

2420
01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:03,520
gone like, yeah, I've done what I wanted to do

2421
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:05,199
with that now. And I guess this song like this

2422
01:49:05,279 --> 01:49:08,640
shows that he's not adverse to reintegrating, you know, new

2423
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:13,119
things or whatever, And I think that that level of ambition,

2424
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,760
I think is really reassuring about this, And I think

2425
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,560
it's the kind of thing that demonstrates what a special

2426
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,359
band Opeth have been for a long long time. And

2427
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:24,399
I guess what a good few weeks to be a

2428
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:27,479
fan of nineteen seventies infused progressive death. Meal really haven't

2429
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:31,159
seen anything quite like that in that regard tires something

2430
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:34,079
more direct, I suppose. If that's not your back, our

2431
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:36,880
next two albums kind of go together for obvious reasons.

2432
01:49:37,079 --> 01:49:40,159
We're going to talk about Better Lovers album Highly Irresponsible,

2433
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:42,520
and then Many Eyes album The light Age.

2434
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:43,039
Speaker 4: Now.

2435
01:49:43,039 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 1: The Many Eyes album came out back in perhaps September,

2436
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,960
I believe the Better Lover was at the very end

2437
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,720
of last month. I thought it would be best just

2438
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:54,920
for our own schedule, when particularly September and October are

2439
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,399
so ridiculously busy with albums.

2440
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:57,279
Speaker 3: Now now were loaded.

2441
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have like maximum eight review slots in one

2442
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:03,319
of the I didn't really want to in two different reviews,

2443
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:07,359
like bags of separately busy months take up two different

2444
01:50:07,399 --> 01:50:10,119
review slots for something that essentially boils down to if

2445
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,039
you like every Time I Die, you'll probably like this one,

2446
01:50:12,119 --> 01:50:14,079
and you know, here at the very end of the year,

2447
01:50:14,119 --> 01:50:15,840
we have slightly more room to do that. I would

2448
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:17,640
like to affirm that putting these next to each other

2449
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,359
is in no way trying to pit them against each other,

2450
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,399
which I'm sure if either artists heard this they would

2451
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,279
not appreciate. There is no element of you having to

2452
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:26,800
pick which one of these albums is better. You can

2453
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,279
know one or the other. It's just it's easier to

2454
01:50:29,319 --> 01:50:31,760
have a conversation about the post every Time I Die

2455
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,840
bands together, rather than, as said, taking up two different

2456
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:37,600
reviews episodes with it. Better Lovers will do first. I

2457
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,119
do think it's fair to say that this is the

2458
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,680
one that's had the real hype and groundswell behind it.

2459
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,439
Maybe it's just because you know, the band has been

2460
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,880
around slightly longer now. Last year we had the debut EP,

2461
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:49,600
we had a whole wave of live shows, and Better

2462
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:52,479
Lovers have become for the demographic of heavy music fan

2463
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,640
for whom like every Time I Die and the Dillanders,

2464
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:56,760
Skate Plan and Bands of their Ilk are you know,

2465
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,479
some of the core bands that make up their you know,

2466
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,279
musical personality. They became one of the it band doing

2467
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:04,199
that because obviously, in a world where those two bands

2468
01:51:04,199 --> 01:51:07,880
in particular are not around anymore, having basically the mathy,

2469
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:11,520
crazy hardcore supergroup of those members is as close to

2470
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,640
the next best thing, Sam, you have handily fallen into

2471
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:16,640
that camp of like you know, the early doors better

2472
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,880
lovers are obsessive. So this album, imagine, would easily be

2473
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:22,079
one of your most anticipated of the year, aren't it right?

2474
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 4: Oh?

2475
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean I really liked that Every Time I

2476
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:28,119
Die one of my favorite bands cruelly taken from us.

2477
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,000
That split still still kind of is a saw mark

2478
01:51:32,039 --> 01:51:35,479
for me, but felt like a really natural kind of like, well, look,

2479
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,800
this is naturally just going to slot in to where

2480
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,880
Every Time I Die was because you've taken a vocalist

2481
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,880
from a similar but like not exactly the same band,

2482
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,520
and who feels like such a natural kind of bedfellow

2483
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:48,640
to what Every Time I Die of alled about. You've

2484
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,560
started in with members with most of the members of

2485
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:53,520
that band, and going off that EP, they were kind

2486
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,600
of just picking up the ground of chaotic, mathy hardcore.

2487
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,880
So I was like, it's a sound I can't not love,

2488
01:52:00,119 --> 01:52:01,720
and so I was like, yeah, I mean I think

2489
01:52:02,039 --> 01:52:05,279
that EP had like one absolutely like, Okay, this is

2490
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:07,000
this guy like benchmark of what I want a better

2491
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,159
love song to be in the thirteen like that, that's

2492
01:52:11,159 --> 01:52:12,960
what I still think is really great. And the rest

2493
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,600
of it was kind of like decent and was kind

2494
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,279
of like a cool you've got those sort of growark here.

2495
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:18,279
Speaker 3: I want an album.

2496
01:52:18,319 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 2: I want to see how you can, if you can

2497
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:22,720
replicate the best stuff on this. Of course, the full album,

2498
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,359
the live show was always going to be given. It

2499
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:26,960
was going to be amazing, like there was never any

2500
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,359
doubts about that, but I was interested to see how

2501
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,359
they particularly how those last every Time I Die albums

2502
01:52:32,399 --> 01:52:35,359
were the last two in particular being the most sprawling

2503
01:52:35,399 --> 01:52:38,920
ambitious that band ever got. Were better lovers going to

2504
01:52:39,039 --> 01:52:40,399
kind of like count down that roader, or they're just

2505
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,399
going to go, okay, let's just lock in to just chaos.

2506
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've been slightly more measured in my expectations,

2507
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,119
I think, where like I've I've had fun with better

2508
01:52:49,159 --> 01:52:51,399
lovers like the the EPs and and you know, the

2509
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:54,520
singles for this album were very listenable, but I hadn't

2510
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,039
found yet that the supergroup had coalesced to being more

2511
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:00,199
than some of its parts where like it. It's a

2512
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:03,399
lot of familiar spots of every Time I Die and Dillinger,

2513
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,119
but it hadn't yet reached that in the song craft

2514
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:09,479
and the delivery hadn't drilled the tracks really into my

2515
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,359
head at this point. I know, Sam, like you've had

2516
01:53:11,399 --> 01:53:13,600
the whole live experience, and I think, obviously records like this,

2517
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:15,840
it's how much the the energy of the live shows

2518
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,600
then is able to be captured in the album, and

2519
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,920
songs like thirty or thirteen or whatever I understand, I like,

2520
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,000
really come into their own there. I personally have not

2521
01:53:22,039 --> 01:53:23,560
had that, so I only had the recordings to go on,

2522
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:25,680
and while I think it's generally been good fun, I

2523
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:27,600
haven't been brought back to them majorly for like much

2524
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,079
repeat listening. And it's always been hard to get away

2525
01:53:30,119 --> 01:53:31,720
from the hyperbole of bit to a degree because I

2526
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,119
think all the folks for whom you know every Time

2527
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:36,039
I Die in Dillinger are like their favorite other bands,

2528
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:39,199
immediately crystallize this band to such an intense degree, like

2529
01:53:39,239 --> 01:53:41,920
it's automatically the best, most exciting thing in the world,

2530
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:44,720
and I'm trying to, I don't know, step down to

2531
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:48,560
a slightly more measured expectation where you know, let's judge

2532
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,600
how good a band this is in its own right,

2533
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,880
just like you would any of the supergroup Essentially, you know,

2534
01:53:53,279 --> 01:53:55,520
is this a down or is this a giraffe tongue orchestra? Like,

2535
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,000
here's a bunch of musicians we all like, how much

2536
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,920
are they able to gel together to do something beyond

2537
01:54:01,079 --> 01:54:05,439
just evoking the past glories of their individual again careers.

2538
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:09,159
I guess, has this album for you lived up to

2539
01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:11,680
the expectations that you had going forward of it being

2540
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:13,079
something that was hopefully really great.

2541
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:18,239
Speaker 2: So this album is such a weird, almost frustrating album

2542
01:54:18,279 --> 01:54:21,000
that I absolutely love because I fucking love this album.

2543
01:54:21,039 --> 01:54:23,119
I think like the core sound of it is something

2544
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:25,680
that I can't not fall for it, Like it is

2545
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:30,199
just doing so many things that strand of chaotic, seven

2546
01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:33,640
tinged hardcore that like categorized every time I die, that

2547
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:35,600
Bell lovers are still picking up on that, and that

2548
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:37,399
they are just hitting at it in songs that go

2549
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,840
like ah fuck yeah, that riff is amazing. I love

2550
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,159
this album. There is just I don't want to boil

2551
01:54:44,199 --> 01:54:47,399
it down to the most simple kind of criticism, but

2552
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:50,800
right now there is just a little X factor missing

2553
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:52,680
from this album, and I'm not gonna boil that down

2554
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:56,319
to purely it's not got Keith Buckley or whatever. There's

2555
01:54:56,399 --> 01:54:59,199
just something that makes this album really fucking great and

2556
01:54:59,239 --> 01:55:02,119
not my favorite album of the year. Like the last

2557
01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:04,159
couple of Every Time I Die albums were they were

2558
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:07,479
in that category, they were like top end, Like Radical

2559
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,079
was my favorite album of twenty twenty one. I think

2560
01:55:10,119 --> 01:55:12,520
that album is still like one of the most like

2561
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:16,159
dizzying everything, Like like we saw the open album, this

2562
01:55:16,279 --> 01:55:18,359
was like, do you like every Time I Die? Yes,

2563
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,119
his everything every Time I Die on that album, and

2564
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:24,279
I fucking love that album. Low teens might be their

2565
01:55:24,319 --> 01:55:26,479
most impressive kind of statement in terms of just like

2566
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:29,560
the collection of songs. I don't want to be like

2567
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,479
judging this against those albums. It's kind of hard not

2568
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:36,039
to at times, because it feels like the most natural

2569
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,399
follow on to every Time I Die work, And in

2570
01:55:38,439 --> 01:55:41,079
a way it is a little bit of a regression

2571
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:43,159
back to the sort of thing Every Time I Die

2572
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:45,960
were doing more in the two thousands. It's not as

2573
01:55:46,039 --> 01:55:48,319
kind of like ambitious and so in the way that

2574
01:55:48,319 --> 01:55:52,000
that can be a bit frustrating. But that said, as

2575
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:56,119
just a collection of chaos inducing hardcore songs that are

2576
01:55:56,119 --> 01:55:58,399
gonna make me want to throw my body into everyone

2577
01:55:58,439 --> 01:55:59,479
I see at a live show.

2578
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,279
Speaker 3: I think this sounds fucking brilliant.

2579
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I pretty much completely agree. I think this is

2580
01:56:05,039 --> 01:56:09,119
a really fun album, and I think that that is

2581
01:56:09,159 --> 01:56:12,920
a positive, right. Like there, what's kind of establishing is

2582
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,840
there's this idea that like, going into this, like you know,

2583
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,840
every Time I Die had a run of what many

2584
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:18,319
people would say, it's like a run of straight ten

2585
01:56:18,319 --> 01:56:19,720
out of tens or whatever. You could say the same

2586
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,479
thing about the Indo Escape Plan, and therefore this has

2587
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,479
to be in some way a continuation of that Skyscraper

2588
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,239
level of quality. And I was always trying to basically

2589
01:56:28,479 --> 01:56:30,159
like step down from that a little bit and let's

2590
01:56:30,199 --> 01:56:31,399
just take it for what it is, which is like

2591
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,880
a fun evocation of the things they used to do.

2592
01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:34,239
Speaker 4: Right.

2593
01:56:34,399 --> 01:56:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think this album is, like I'm absolutely

2594
01:56:37,399 --> 01:56:40,800
in the positive about it. I just don't think it's like,

2595
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,000
you know, the kind of album of the year, big

2596
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,279
heavy event of the year, that kind of it would

2597
01:56:45,279 --> 01:56:47,399
maybe position to be by like really hardcore fans of

2598
01:56:47,439 --> 01:56:49,000
these And if you really feel that strongly about it,

2599
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,479
then I'm not saying that you can't enjoy it to

2600
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:53,359
a huge degree, because of course it would. You know,

2601
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:57,239
it fills a thing that is really really fun. I'm

2602
01:56:57,239 --> 01:56:59,920
just talking again, how how higher level are we talking

2603
01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:02,640
about this with I think we're largely on the same page.

2604
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,520
I think you again, I do prefer these bands because

2605
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:07,439
maybe the things are more me but like stuff like

2606
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,239
Killer Be Killed or whatever, where it's like, yeah, that's

2607
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:11,079
really good fun, a bunch of guys doing great stuff.

2608
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,720
The band that it reminded me most of in feel,

2609
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,479
I suppose is Mutoid Man, where it is like, you know, again,

2610
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,680
some really cool cult heavy musicians really just ripping loose

2611
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:21,720
and having the time of their lives. Particularly the opening

2612
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,159
track Lie between the Lies, has a genuine like the

2613
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,000
riff reminds me of a lot of a Kiss of

2614
01:57:26,039 --> 01:57:28,000
Death by Mutoid Man, but on like a hardcore based

2615
01:57:28,039 --> 01:57:33,560
like just kind of real sludgy, sludgy Yeah, and that's

2616
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,479
awesome because that kind of that hits me and it's

2617
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,840
again it's kind of easy and maybe refer to a

2618
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,439
little bit later, but it's kind of easy to look

2619
01:57:40,479 --> 01:57:42,079
at Will Putney as like the lucky guy in the

2620
01:57:42,119 --> 01:57:44,359
room here where if you are of the persuasion where

2621
01:57:44,359 --> 01:57:46,520
I believe we both are that fit for a flopsy

2622
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:49,720
are by far a weaker band than a Dillinger or

2623
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,479
and every time I die and his production style, as

2624
01:57:52,479 --> 01:57:55,159
we've discussed in our recent reviews, being so overused, but

2625
01:57:55,239 --> 01:57:57,159
that riff is an instant to given credit where I can,

2626
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,079
and this is where it turns out someone else entirely

2627
01:57:59,079 --> 01:58:01,039
wrote it. But I can feel a bit of that,

2628
01:58:01,159 --> 01:58:04,119
like tar thick fit for an autopsy flavor rubbing off

2629
01:58:04,119 --> 01:58:05,520
on the hardcore thing and it turning out to be

2630
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:07,720
really positive. That might be my favorite befrom the record.

2631
01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:10,199
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the guitar tone across this record,

2632
01:58:10,199 --> 01:58:12,560
which is something I've alwad almost every other time my Diamond,

2633
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,399
Like the guitar tone, I think this album lives up

2634
01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:17,840
on that front. I think Will Partney, he does produce

2635
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:22,439
this record. He's production sort of Foibles part more recently.

2636
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:26,119
They're way less egregious here, I think because within the

2637
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:29,439
sound that like they're working with the kick Jump hasn't

2638
01:58:29,439 --> 01:58:31,960
got that helicopter thing going on at all times, like

2639
01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:33,680
like all those sort of complaints which.

2640
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 4: I've now heard and kind of I'm sorry, we ruined

2641
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,560
the Harry album for you, but.

2642
01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:42,359
Speaker 2: It's like, and that's the things I think this album

2643
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:43,720
sounds fucking great.

2644
01:58:44,039 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 4: The guitar tone.

2645
01:58:45,039 --> 01:58:47,239
Speaker 2: I just whether it is on the southern bits where

2646
01:58:47,239 --> 01:58:50,119
it's all groovy, that opening riff on lie between the

2647
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:53,319
lines where it is just thick and a scuzzy as

2648
01:58:53,319 --> 01:58:57,159
all hell Greg Again, Like there's some weird production on

2649
01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:59,760
Greg's vocals at times, maybe could do out, but like

2650
01:59:00,359 --> 01:59:03,239
always gives it a nasty vibe when he's sort of

2651
01:59:03,439 --> 01:59:06,720
screeching and crooning the whole like dead inside your shell.

2652
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,359
Speaker 4: Postcorus bit goes so.

2653
01:59:08,479 --> 01:59:14,239
Speaker 2: Hard, like like that final build into the outro breakdown

2654
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,680
where Greg is like just screaming, we don't believe this

2655
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,000
is all and we believe this isn't all we were

2656
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,239
made for fucking go so hard like as an opener,

2657
01:59:22,319 --> 01:59:24,720
I mean that song is really just a great kind

2658
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:26,800
of like this is what better lovers are doing.

2659
01:59:27,159 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 3: If you're in with it, you're gonna have a great time.

2660
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2661
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,319
Speaker 1: I think Again really packs a wallop at the start

2662
01:59:32,359 --> 01:59:34,439
there and then you can have right almost play self

2663
01:59:34,439 --> 01:59:36,479
comes in ninety seconds. Yeah, I can go at it,

2664
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,239
And that reminds me of something that will be on

2665
01:59:38,239 --> 01:59:40,560
my ax to fall I converge as like very faster paced,

2666
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,960
punky element drowning and burning world that hits that kind

2667
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:47,319
of again familiar nasty territory with those discordant guitar runs

2668
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:47,680
all over it.

2669
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:48,079
Speaker 4: Good shit.

2670
01:59:48,479 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 1: One of my favorite again other highlight moments on the

2671
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,239
record is the bit into about a minute into Superman

2672
01:59:54,359 --> 01:59:57,560
di Paralyzed, where again, like a converged reference cutter has

2673
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:01,319
that like just double bassed thrashing, just locks in and

2674
02:00:01,359 --> 02:00:04,239
that one moment is like destructive of all hell. I

2675
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:05,760
think if you've tuned out of the record for maybe

2676
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:07,159
being a little bit kind of same me at points,

2677
02:00:07,239 --> 02:00:09,920
that is a moment that would knock you right the

2678
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:14,119
fuck back in. It's so intense and immediate. Do you

2679
02:00:14,199 --> 02:00:17,720
I guess, is this essentially a case of like boiling

2680
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,680
down elements from Every Time I Die and the Dinner

2681
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,479
escape Plan and a bit of sprinkle of fit for

2682
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,640
an autopsy as well? Is this band that basically a

2683
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:26,439
kind of does what it says on the tin situation

2684
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,199
or do you hear moments where there is more of

2685
02:00:28,199 --> 02:00:29,239
a progression coming through?

2686
02:00:30,079 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 2: I think for the most part, I mean this is

2687
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,399
a kind of does what it says. On the Tin album,

2688
02:00:33,479 --> 02:00:35,720
there's the odd song where they kind of show they

2689
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:36,680
want to look at a bit more.

2690
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:38,000
Speaker 3: They don't do it loads on this album.

2691
02:00:38,039 --> 02:00:40,479
Speaker 2: I think this album is almost kind of like, let's

2692
02:00:40,479 --> 02:00:42,279
get this sign up together. There's a lot of that,

2693
02:00:42,319 --> 02:00:44,520
and the like getting Alliance Given is just sort of

2694
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:48,880
ripping out a crowd pleasing kind of what fans of

2695
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:52,000
every Time I Die and Dillinger and again probably what

2696
02:00:52,079 --> 02:00:54,399
fans of this sort of bands want to hear from

2697
02:00:54,399 --> 02:00:55,199
them coming together.

2698
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean again, like you get like a White House.

2699
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 2: Covered in Blood, which recovered when that came as a single,

2700
02:01:01,039 --> 02:01:03,119
as kind of like that is the kind of like

2701
02:01:03,439 --> 02:01:05,600
pinnacle of what I want the Better Lovers sound to be,

2702
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:08,319
where it all just comes together to sound like the

2703
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:12,199
coolest band in the world, where it's so hard. Greg

2704
02:01:12,319 --> 02:01:16,520
is snarling, swaggering, it's got all of the charisma that.

2705
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:20,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool to hear him again that kind

2706
02:01:20,199 --> 02:01:22,920
of because it's been a while obvious since he's been

2707
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:25,880
on material that's that mannic. That slurry hardcore thing at

2708
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,760
the start was like a throwback and that's nice. I

2709
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:32,119
do think that's a again obvious single on the album,

2710
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,680
where thinking about the kind of choruses that Greg has

2711
02:01:36,279 --> 02:01:38,279
cooked up for these super group scenarios over the years.

2712
02:01:38,439 --> 02:01:41,439
He's in Killery Killed as well. I don't think that

2713
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,760
song is like a Wings of Feather and Wax level massive,

2714
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,600
as we were also discussing on the special last week.

2715
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:47,680
But it's good while it's on, and I just you

2716
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:50,479
mentioned the production earlier and I hadn't. It's interesting because

2717
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:53,119
there is a particular sensation that I have with Greg

2718
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:57,960
where outside of the Dinderous gate Plan or his own bands,

2719
02:01:57,960 --> 02:01:59,520
I suppose, like the Black Queen whatever it could be,

2720
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,399
when you pop him in something else, there is such

2721
02:02:02,399 --> 02:02:05,039
a bizarre like when he comes in singing. I don't

2722
02:02:05,079 --> 02:02:06,840
know if it's just how other people produce his voice,

2723
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,760
but it feels like such a like an obviously, oh

2724
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,159
look it's Greg everyone kind of it's really like no

2725
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:15,640
signposted and transplanted somehow, which is again you can imagine

2726
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:19,479
Keith Buckley, for example, on these riffs, really like doing

2727
02:02:19,479 --> 02:02:21,720
that thing that he does of like riding the wave

2728
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,319
throwing out random hooks, Whereas the way Greg is integrated,

2729
02:02:25,359 --> 02:02:27,880
like when he's screaming obviously he's screaming, but when he sings,

2730
02:02:28,119 --> 02:02:30,079
there is this real like and now it's chorus time.

2731
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 2: So I think the weakest parts of this album generally

2732
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,159
come from the choruses. Like I don't think there's anything

2733
02:02:36,199 --> 02:02:38,399
I'd say is is bad. But when I think back

2734
02:02:38,399 --> 02:02:40,960
to like the particularly again the last couple of votes

2735
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,399
of my die albums, when they hit those like choruses

2736
02:02:44,479 --> 02:02:48,600
or melodic parts, these don't pop off or stick in

2737
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,359
my memory quite as much as sort of like say

2738
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:56,000
a map change would of or even like an it

2739
02:02:56,079 --> 02:02:59,680
remembers like it just feels kind of like, Okay, this

2740
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:01,399
is where you like, you kind of just got Greg

2741
02:03:01,439 --> 02:03:04,960
doing his kind of thing without that like real shifting

2742
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:08,199
gears to make it sound like the next or level

2743
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:11,479
up for these songs, which I mean is slight sham.

2744
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:12,600
And I think there are a couple of songs where

2745
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:14,560
they are trying to do the more melodic things, like

2746
02:03:16,359 --> 02:03:18,920
Deliver Us from Life is there is where it is

2747
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,479
Greg crooning and it is trying to be a bit

2748
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:21,319
more melodic or.

2749
02:03:21,359 --> 02:03:23,479
Speaker 1: That's not a weird kind of stonery vibe, which is

2750
02:03:24,359 --> 02:03:27,680
I like in theory, But again I'm not maybe with

2751
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,079
Wills production that maybe it's a bit stodgier.

2752
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,000
Speaker 3: It's not that that's when I compared like it remembers

2753
02:03:33,039 --> 02:03:33,640
on low teens.

2754
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same.

2755
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's really And I suppose you're

2756
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:38,520
about to mention them at all times as well, which

2757
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:40,840
I think is the biggest swerve on the record where

2758
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,319
I can't imagine either every Time I Die or Dylan

2759
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:46,760
You're doing a song quite that way with It's almost again,

2760
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,079
it's almost like a smooth rock maybe like the southern

2761
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:52,479
flavor of the Every Time I Die guys has like

2762
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:54,159
rubbed off on Greg and sent him on this like

2763
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:58,800
emotional radio rock front porch slow jam situation.

2764
02:03:59,079 --> 02:03:59,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2765
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:03,159
Speaker 1: If I really like it. It's a different flavor, but

2766
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:04,319
I don't know if it actually works.

2767
02:04:05,279 --> 02:04:08,079
Speaker 2: Like these melodic bits they I go where they're going from,

2768
02:04:08,199 --> 02:04:09,880
I don't know if a hundred but it works this time.

2769
02:04:10,119 --> 02:04:12,239
I admire them taking a different swing out kind of

2770
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:16,520
a melodic sound, and at Lucia they don't want to

2771
02:04:16,720 --> 02:04:20,600
just trade on chaos, but it just the kind of

2772
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:22,920
like a big emotional something like that feels. It's like

2773
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:25,199
there's a really nice, big lead guitar part to that song,

2774
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:29,720
which I think is great, but it's it's an interesting

2775
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:31,800
one that hasn't a hundred worked this time.

2776
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:34,079
Speaker 1: I'll say, yeah, I do think to a degree, and

2777
02:04:34,119 --> 02:04:36,079
this will make me sound like an absolute piss baby,

2778
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:39,239
but I think the way Will Putney produces everything to

2779
02:04:39,279 --> 02:04:42,159
be so loud at all times, I do think this

2780
02:04:42,279 --> 02:04:46,720
album sounds better and has less of the real negative

2781
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:48,159
quirks that we pointed out on some of the other

2782
02:04:48,199 --> 02:04:50,399
albums that he's done. But the way it is just

2783
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:55,279
so maximalist, everything is loud at all times. Even the

2784
02:04:55,319 --> 02:04:57,319
soft stuff like that is quite loud. I think that

2785
02:04:57,399 --> 02:05:00,119
maybe robs it of some of the sonic dynamics that

2786
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:01,880
this kind of music in the early two thousands might

2787
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:03,640
have had, and I think that might be part of

2788
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:06,239
why as an overall album, I'm having fun with it,

2789
02:05:06,279 --> 02:05:08,960
but I'm not actually one hundred percent tuned in all

2790
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:11,079
the time, because I think something like that doesn't have

2791
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:14,159
the dynamics has a tendency to just kind of beat

2792
02:05:14,159 --> 02:05:15,279
you over the head a little bit more.

2793
02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, I do think that sort of That's

2794
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:19,119
me One of the other things I think with this song,

2795
02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:20,960
where again why I said like said, is because from

2796
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,520
the heavier songs. It is not the most dynamic every

2797
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:25,840
Time I Die song because again you look at Radical,

2798
02:05:26,199 --> 02:05:27,720
I say every time I Die like Bell Lovers, but

2799
02:05:28,319 --> 02:05:30,520
like on Radical that that song, that album goes all

2800
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:33,000
low that there's so much dynamics to it, this album

2801
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:36,680
doesn't quite have that same. And again, like it's a

2802
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:40,640
debut album, it's quite again like ten songs or so like,

2803
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:42,760
it's not like trying to rock the boat too much.

2804
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,640
I just wish there was a little bit more like

2805
02:05:45,359 --> 02:05:48,279
variety on offering in the heavier moments other than the

2806
02:05:48,319 --> 02:05:50,399
pure casts. And again I'm so good at the pure chaos.

2807
02:05:50,399 --> 02:05:52,760
I can't criticize it too much because I do really

2808
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:55,119
like every single one of those songs on here. And

2809
02:05:55,159 --> 02:05:57,319
again I'm not gonna go similarv on the next tour.

2810
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:00,439
I will be flinging myself around with rect a band

2811
02:06:00,439 --> 02:06:03,039
in during everyone on these songs. So I can't Chris

2812
02:06:03,079 --> 02:06:06,039
has too much, but I can recognize it is maybe

2813
02:06:06,079 --> 02:06:08,880
a little more one note on the heavier side than

2814
02:06:09,439 --> 02:06:10,079
what it could be.

2815
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:14,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this album is fun. I like this album.

2816
02:06:14,279 --> 02:06:16,479
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, probably an improvement on the

2817
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:20,079
EP because this that felt more like a introductory warm up,

2818
02:06:20,119 --> 02:06:21,640
and now you know the chemistry has worked something like

2819
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:25,039
a bit more. That's less, you know, more like this

2820
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:27,720
is what Better Lovers is and less various bits of

2821
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:29,439
their older work kind of thrown together. I think they

2822
02:06:29,439 --> 02:06:30,920
are more of a unit here. I think if I

2823
02:06:31,039 --> 02:06:32,880
was to, you know, if I was forced to give

2824
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,479
this album a rating, I would probably give it like

2825
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:37,720
a seven out of ten. And that is again reminder,

2826
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:39,560
that is a positive rating. A seven out of ten

2827
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:42,079
is a good thing. I think it delivers on a

2828
02:06:42,119 --> 02:06:45,680
great sound pretty well. It reminds you of some of

2829
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:48,399
the thing that these players certainly can do that their

2830
02:06:48,399 --> 02:06:52,399
imitators still can't quite do. I think this is as

2831
02:06:52,479 --> 02:06:55,880
good as any Dillinger or you know, certainly post debut

2832
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:57,520
every time I die record certainly not.

2833
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think either that's all very fair someone who's

2834
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,199
just like, again, this is just one of my favorite sounds.

2835
02:07:03,399 --> 02:07:05,399
I rate this a lot higher because I just the

2836
02:07:05,399 --> 02:07:08,479
core components so so my ship. But I would also

2837
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,439
like if I was to look at it like divorce

2838
02:07:10,439 --> 02:07:12,399
from that, I think that is a fair assessment of

2839
02:07:12,439 --> 02:07:15,520
what this album offers. I mean, it is I get

2840
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:18,279
like it is a bit more limited than what the

2841
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,840
the main two components that everyone's going to draw to

2842
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:23,720
again the fifth and Autopsy is just kind of like

2843
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,000
a sprinkling on top. The main two components are Dillinger

2844
02:07:26,039 --> 02:07:28,239
and every Time I Die. I might take this more

2845
02:07:28,279 --> 02:07:30,479
than maybe or not more of but maybe on a

2846
02:07:30,479 --> 02:07:32,319
similar level to like one of us is the Killer,

2847
02:07:32,319 --> 02:07:34,600
which has never been one of my favorite That's never

2848
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:36,279
been one of my favorite Dillinger albums.

2849
02:07:36,279 --> 02:07:37,680
Speaker 3: I've always liked that album.

2850
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:39,600
Speaker 2: I think the best moments of that album better about

2851
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:40,840
this one, but as a whole, it's.

2852
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:41,800
Speaker 4: Never been one of my favorites.

2853
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 2: I could probably feel a similar way about this that

2854
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:45,760
I do about that album.

2855
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 1: Just as an example, Yeah, I would. That is one

2856
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,720
of the weaker Dillinger records. I still think it runs

2857
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,560
rings around this particularly, And I would say the same

2858
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:56,520
thing about like my If I take the classic every

2859
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:59,279
Time I Die run, the lower record to me would

2860
02:07:59,279 --> 02:08:01,800
be maybe something like New a Aesthetic or whatever that

2861
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:02,640
record at.

2862
02:08:02,479 --> 02:08:06,039
Speaker 2: Again, probably where I'd put a similar level of this again,

2863
02:08:06,119 --> 02:08:07,319
I fucking love that album.

2864
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:11,039
Speaker 1: That would be lower every Time I Die than Me

2865
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:14,199
beats the piss out of this album, I think. And

2866
02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:16,159
that's just the kind of it's it's a super group, right,

2867
02:08:16,199 --> 02:08:18,159
It's a good, fun supergroup.

2868
02:08:18,199 --> 02:08:20,479
Speaker 2: I think there's legs to this, and I think there

2869
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:23,439
is I reckon they could deliver something on the level

2870
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:27,079
of the best material of Yeah, I mean, if they

2871
02:08:27,079 --> 02:08:29,119
are allowed to kind of build off of the ideas.

2872
02:08:29,439 --> 02:08:31,000
But as a sort of first statement, I think it's

2873
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:32,960
really good, but it's not the classic.

2874
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:33,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2875
02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:34,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm waiting a round for that.

2876
02:08:34,319 --> 02:08:35,760
I think I'm just kind of like, yeah, better lovers,

2877
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,920
they're those guys. They do the fun thing. Cool, I don't.

2878
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:38,359
Speaker 4: I don't.

2879
02:08:38,439 --> 02:08:41,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if they go on to do something genuinely incredible,

2880
02:08:41,479 --> 02:08:44,399
then I will be super happy about it. Yeah, and

2881
02:08:44,439 --> 02:08:46,600
I will be stunned to have been to have had

2882
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:49,039
my expectations, you know, exceeded in that regard. I think

2883
02:08:49,079 --> 02:08:50,920
right now, I'm just like like, yeah, they do the fun,

2884
02:08:51,039 --> 02:08:53,279
crazy hardcore thing, and that's about the ceiling that I

2885
02:08:53,399 --> 02:08:55,520
kind of pull on it right now. I do think it.

2886
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:58,479
It demonstrates on the promise of the album cover pop

2887
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,520
on a load of explosive shit in your face. How

2888
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:02,319
much of it really sticks, I don't really know, but

2889
02:09:02,359 --> 02:09:05,319
it is at the very least super energetic, and then

2890
02:09:05,359 --> 02:09:07,560
there is Many Eyes, which I think the reason that

2891
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:09,319
the Better Lovers album has been a bit more visible

2892
02:09:09,399 --> 02:09:12,479
is that they've been more stable and they've built more momentum.

2893
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:15,800
Many Eyes going into just this debut album was a

2894
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:17,840
very weird scenario that I guess we maybe still haven't

2895
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,560
seen the full outcome of, because I guess we've not

2896
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,439
seen them live here or anything. But Keith Buckley, formerly

2897
02:09:22,479 --> 02:09:24,640
of every Time and I of course wrote this record

2898
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:28,079
with two brothers, Charlie and Nick Bellmore, and then Charlie

2899
02:09:28,279 --> 02:09:31,680
was seemingly quite suddenly and unwittingly kicked out before this

2900
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:34,560
record was even released, which I think always neuters hype

2901
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:36,479
to a degree when it seems like the band itself

2902
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,199
is before even putting this deabut music out falling a

2903
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:39,640
part of it.

2904
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a kind of a weird, like, oh okay,

2905
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:46,159
so the people who made this album aren't even going

2906
02:09:46,199 --> 02:09:48,800
to be the ones performing it when it's out there

2907
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:49,399
for everyone to hear.

2908
02:09:49,439 --> 02:09:52,079
Speaker 3: That. That's always an odd sort of like sensation.

2909
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Bellmore brother just to give a quick

2910
02:09:54,359 --> 02:09:57,159
background on them, they're almost like metal journeymen at this

2911
02:09:57,199 --> 02:10:00,279
point because they're frequent collaborators of Jamie Jast and thus

2912
02:10:00,279 --> 02:10:02,840
have been in almost every band that Jasta has like

2913
02:10:03,039 --> 02:10:05,239
played a part in assembling. So if you know what

2914
02:10:05,279 --> 02:10:07,399
I mean by that, it's like a Corpse Grinder solo

2915
02:10:07,439 --> 02:10:10,760
album that he did there on that d Snyder's solo band,

2916
02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:13,319
also the Kingdom of Sorrow band that Jafta did with

2917
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:16,960
Kurt from Crowbar that like the jas A factory of bands.

2918
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:20,039
Almost these guys are heavily involved with that stuff. This

2919
02:10:20,119 --> 02:10:24,159
album I think demonstrates a bit more of a departure

2920
02:10:24,359 --> 02:10:27,199
from the classic every time a Die you know style

2921
02:10:27,279 --> 02:10:28,439
than the Better Lovers album does.

2922
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is definitely not just aiming to like

2923
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,600
for Keith to kind of go okay, let's pick up

2924
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:39,640
and let's just do the chaotic hardcore thing. There is

2925
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:42,520
a shift in sound on this that because I mean,

2926
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:46,319
obviously Kiev as a vocalist, he always had more strings

2927
02:10:46,319 --> 02:10:49,159
to him than being a hardcore vocalist. He's like one

2928
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:51,199
of the best clean singers to ever come from hardcore.

2929
02:10:51,239 --> 02:10:53,640
I would say, like he's got the voice to be

2930
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:57,640
a rock star and not just a hardcore screamer. So

2931
02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,760
I could understand why if he's then non his soo

2932
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:03,039
thing might make his pivots and that might allow him

2933
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:04,640
to de flex more as a vocalist.

2934
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the bass sound is still very much like

2935
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,840
groovy two thousand style hardcore, right, Like the riffing sounds

2936
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,760
less exactly like every Time I Die, because this is

2937
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:15,279
not members of every Time I Die, you know, playing

2938
02:11:15,319 --> 02:11:17,359
the guitars here, but I think you know the bell

2939
02:11:17,399 --> 02:11:19,079
my brothers they have obviously studied up and they know

2940
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:20,840
what they're they're dealing with. And I think you know,

2941
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:23,039
the revelation riff at the start, it's fucking great, and

2942
02:11:23,319 --> 02:11:26,039
Keith doing that best job from the guts as he's

2943
02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:29,800
so often done on top of that is super gratifying.

2944
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,439
And then it slipped into that stomp in the verse

2945
02:11:31,439 --> 02:11:33,960
on the same kind of riff, and it's it's really great.

2946
02:11:35,479 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2947
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:38,159
Speaker 2: So I think the thing of this album is there

2948
02:11:38,159 --> 02:11:40,560
are moments on this I think are like really great

2949
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:43,079
way it does remind me of of that thing, and

2950
02:11:43,319 --> 02:11:45,439
but as a more like a little bit more of

2951
02:11:45,479 --> 02:11:47,640
a radio rock version of it, which I'm fine with

2952
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:50,760
because again Keith can pull that off. I do wish,

2953
02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:53,039
I do wish. I think my bigg one of this album.

2954
02:11:53,079 --> 02:11:55,640
Is the production is I arguing is a problem on

2955
02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:59,119
this album. Where I was just raving about the guitar

2956
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:02,000
tone on that Lover this album, it's missing on this.

2957
02:12:02,039 --> 02:12:02,239
Speaker 4: Well.

2958
02:12:02,359 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find this album actually to be more listenable

2959
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:07,520
and the Better Lovers one, because I think the Better

2960
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,600
Lovers one has that kind of like ear fatigue thing

2961
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:12,920
of being so fucking loud, whereas this I can just

2962
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:14,439
sit with it a little bit more. But I can

2963
02:12:14,479 --> 02:12:17,439
totally see that there's a middle ground to be had

2964
02:12:17,439 --> 02:12:20,439
where if this record was a bit basically, if Kurt

2965
02:12:20,479 --> 02:12:22,960
Blue produced these things, they would something fucking perfect, wouldn't

2966
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:25,920
they We've always said, but it could do it being

2967
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:27,359
a bit heavier. But I do find it to be

2968
02:12:27,399 --> 02:12:28,399
more listenable.

2969
02:12:28,199 --> 02:12:28,840
Speaker 4: That is.

2970
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:31,000
Speaker 2: That is my thing with this album is like, I mean,

2971
02:12:31,039 --> 02:12:32,399
a lot of people are probably going to be having

2972
02:12:32,439 --> 02:12:34,319
their clause after sou I'm a little bit because it, like,

2973
02:12:35,159 --> 02:12:37,920
I don't know, radio rock sort of thing, like it

2974
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:40,880
is a little bit optane core at times, this album

2975
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:42,800
like or whatever whatever you want to brand that kind

2976
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:43,520
of us radio.

2977
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, surprisingly, I never actually really got that feeling from it.

2978
02:12:46,479 --> 02:12:48,119
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of hard to deny it.

2979
02:12:48,319 --> 02:12:51,079
Speaker 2: Points with some of those choruses here and the fact

2980
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:56,119
that it just the sound isn't as like constantly at it.

2981
02:12:56,319 --> 02:12:58,680
But I do think though, like there are good songs

2982
02:12:58,720 --> 02:13:02,239
here and if Buckley he can turn out like like

2983
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:06,000
does like turn out some great vocal hooks the choruses

2984
02:13:06,119 --> 02:13:07,800
like and that's the thing is where I say, like

2985
02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:10,560
the melodic bits are where better lovers were lacking. You

2986
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:14,600
have got that kind of like powerhouse vocalist who can

2987
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:16,880
give you a hook, give you a kind of like

2988
02:13:17,399 --> 02:13:19,520
moment you can go yeah, cool that that's that's big.

2989
02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2990
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:22,319
Speaker 1: I mean this even still the heavy parts though, like

2991
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:26,119
you know, the fuck off I'm in Love breakdown, Keith

2992
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:28,079
you know, crushes that particular part of Birth in the Dam.

2993
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:29,640
It's really in his skill set and you can tell

2994
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,079
me he really fucking feels it in that moment, Like

2995
02:13:32,119 --> 02:13:34,079
the I mean, the lyrics in that song, the opening

2996
02:13:34,119 --> 02:13:36,000
verse on the album. I'm not trying to like the

2997
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:38,960
implants some beef where it might not be directed in

2998
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,119
that way, but like it's pretty difficult to hear that

2999
02:13:41,319 --> 02:13:43,640
verse and not think about what's been going on with

3000
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:45,479
Keith immediately before this band, where you know, if the

3001
02:13:45,479 --> 02:13:47,079
devil ever had me, he don't have me no more.

3002
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:49,039
I see some cowards, I see some frauds. I see

3003
02:13:49,079 --> 02:13:51,159
diamonds in I see my diamonds in the teeth of

3004
02:13:51,159 --> 02:13:54,039
the dogs. It is pretty harsh. I do think that. Again,

3005
02:13:54,399 --> 02:13:56,880
the chorus in the first track did make me go

3006
02:13:57,159 --> 02:13:59,840
h huh, Like I don't think it's a bad chorus necessarily.

3007
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,039
It just feel like a real switch And I think

3008
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,760
obviously this album is having one foot in what he

3009
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:09,000
used to do, but wanting to explore some kind of

3010
02:14:09,039 --> 02:14:13,239
more radio ready approaches to melody and softness on it.

3011
02:14:13,239 --> 02:14:17,079
I don't think it's a total, you know, departure, maybe

3012
02:14:17,079 --> 02:14:18,439
in the way almost you could have imagined it would

3013
02:14:18,439 --> 02:14:21,319
be a departure, but it's kind of going for a

3014
02:14:21,359 --> 02:14:24,760
best of both worlds thing. And I really like that

3015
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:26,920
the heavy parts that just remind me of again, Keith

3016
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:30,560
Buckley doing what he does. I really I'm actually surprised

3017
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:32,960
at how much I because i'd sort of because of

3018
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:37,560
the weird, unsettling, unstable nature of the band already, i'd

3019
02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:40,399
almost not had high expectations for this. I'm actually surprised

3020
02:14:40,399 --> 02:14:41,760
at how good I think it is. At times, I

3021
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:45,840
think like Speechless is such a ripper. I think the

3022
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:49,680
intro Harbin Joe is monstrous as well, and that stuff

3023
02:14:50,359 --> 02:14:53,039
again hit me in a really cozy sort of way.

3024
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:56,199
But I mean like Mystic Cord as well has a

3025
02:14:56,199 --> 02:14:59,079
real like fucking almost like a crust groove like kind

3026
02:14:59,079 --> 02:15:00,680
of heck, that song.

3027
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:02,520
Speaker 3: Is bumbly bassed on that yeah hard.

3028
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 2: I think like Harvin just probably the hardest the album

3029
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:07,079
goes that that no initial burst, the sort of the

3030
02:15:07,159 --> 02:15:09,880
way they bend the breakdown that goes really hard. Like,

3031
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:13,279
I think there's like there is plenty to like on

3032
02:15:13,319 --> 02:15:15,520
this album. I think everyone who's going to be coming

3033
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:17,399
this out as like a bad album, it's maybe just

3034
02:15:17,439 --> 02:15:19,840
kind of like again, their weight of expectation for what

3035
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:22,680
Keith Buckley does is kind of coloring the sort of

3036
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:26,479
like feelings because I don't think there is bad. I

3037
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:28,319
think in moments of Somewhere, I think it's a little

3038
02:15:28,319 --> 02:15:31,479
bit wishy washy that maybe it kind of could lean

3039
02:15:31,479 --> 02:15:32,000
hard on the things.

3040
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,640
Speaker 1: And again, are you thinking of like the stuff like third,

3041
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:37,880
which is like a full on nineties shoe gaze, Yeah.

3042
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:40,720
Speaker 2: Like that that that's one where I think, like again,

3043
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:43,279
I think Keith makes that more interesting than it would

3044
02:15:43,319 --> 02:15:45,119
be if it was in any other kind of like

3045
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:48,600
like modern rock band trying to do that sort of thing.

3046
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:51,439
I think again, as a vocus, he's just a vocus.

3047
02:15:51,439 --> 02:15:53,880
I'm more always inclined kind of My ears pick up

3048
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:54,720
when I hear him sing.

3049
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that song is it's almost like the

3050
02:15:58,039 --> 02:16:01,159
nineties revival style bands that play break right. I think

3051
02:16:01,239 --> 02:16:03,960
this is you know, it's no worse than most of those.

3052
02:16:04,439 --> 02:16:05,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.

3053
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:08,479
Speaker 2: I think I don't think it just it just because

3054
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:10,680
this am tries to do a bit more that like

3055
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:13,000
it maybe lacks a bit bit of focus at times

3056
02:16:13,039 --> 02:16:15,560
where like, yeah, it can't zero in on a particular sound.

3057
02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:18,479
Speaker 3: And again I just I just think the production is is.

3058
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:21,279
Speaker 2: Just something that that just doesn't just something about it

3059
02:16:21,319 --> 02:16:22,880
doesn't sit right for me on this record.

3060
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an album by a guy who

3061
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:27,960
you know, excels at one thing and is also fairly

3062
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:31,279
competent at another thing. And I think it's a respectable

3063
02:16:31,319 --> 02:16:34,959
attempt at integrating the latter into the former. I think,

3064
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:37,559
I mean, like even like I think a lot of

3065
02:16:37,559 --> 02:16:39,879
the melody again, he's going for this like nineties old

3066
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,760
rock type of thing that's less than the octane thing

3067
02:16:43,079 --> 02:16:45,760
I heard more someone who liked you know, grunge and

3068
02:16:45,799 --> 02:16:48,520
that kind of stuff. And I think a song like

3069
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:51,879
future Proof starts with this almost like like b York

3070
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:54,319
Army of Me, kind of like industrial sort of groove,

3071
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:56,520
which is kind of cool, and I think the moving

3072
02:16:56,559 --> 02:16:58,920
to the melody there is like, you know, smoother and

3073
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:00,920
less sudden. I guess in that kind of context, I

3074
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:03,680
don't think that's a bad song at all. And then

3075
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:07,959
like going back to speechless good chorus in there with

3076
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,200
the kind of like I will kill for love, like

3077
02:17:09,239 --> 02:17:11,159
climbing out of it servant, I think that's a pretty

3078
02:17:11,159 --> 02:17:14,719
good chorus. Amateurs as well. I think across the board

3079
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:16,760
he can be he's slicker with them than like in

3080
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:18,360
the worst case scenarios of these.

3081
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:18,719
Speaker 4: Type of things.

3082
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I'm surprised to hear I'm actually, you know,

3083
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:23,799
slightly fonder of this album, I suppose. But I don't

3084
02:17:23,799 --> 02:17:26,319
think this record is perfect. I certainly I don't think

3085
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:30,520
it has the completeness and the focus and that X

3086
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:32,280
factor that again, you know, the best every Time I

3087
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:34,760
Die records have. I think it's more one foot in

3088
02:17:34,799 --> 02:17:37,280
a pretty safe zone. And one foot sort of testing

3089
02:17:37,319 --> 02:17:40,520
the waters of something else but considering how messy just

3090
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:42,399
the roll out of them in the Many Eyes band

3091
02:17:42,399 --> 02:17:44,959
has been. It's cool than I expected, and I think

3092
02:17:44,959 --> 02:17:47,760
it is again there's moves towards growth on this one

3093
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:49,280
where he does feel like he's kind of looking towards

3094
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:49,840
the future of it.

3095
02:17:50,239 --> 02:17:50,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3096
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:53,079
Speaker 2: No, I mean we always said that about like the

3097
02:17:53,159 --> 02:17:55,399
damn things with Keith Buckley, where like, yeah, he was

3098
02:17:55,399 --> 02:17:57,479
always looking at things he could do as a vocalist

3099
02:17:57,479 --> 02:18:01,280
that could last longer then destroying his throat every time

3100
02:18:01,319 --> 02:18:03,719
I die, which is always the more like exciting thing

3101
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:05,840
for me as a sort of thing. But I think

3102
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:07,840
he's clearly looking at like how can he still be

3103
02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:10,239
that vocalist but also do.

3104
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 3: Something that can endure a bit more.

3105
02:18:11,639 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 2: And I think this is a very I think this

3106
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:16,440
is a respectful first effort that I think could be

3107
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:18,600
better if a few just different decisions were made with

3108
02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:19,479
the sound of it.

3109
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:23,280
Speaker 3: And I think there is growth for.

3110
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:25,159
Speaker 2: Many Eyes to sort of maybe again go on to

3111
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,399
do something that could sound better. I think Keith Buckley

3112
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:31,600
has has it within him. Maybe Again, there's not the

3113
02:18:31,680 --> 02:18:34,879
kind of like Keith Buckley coolness that I mean that's

3114
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:37,079
maybe another factor I think isn't quite there as much

3115
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:39,600
on this album, where again, some of those lines that

3116
02:18:39,639 --> 02:18:41,399
he would put out that I would always kind of like,

3117
02:18:41,399 --> 02:18:43,280
like you win, Keith Buckley screams out and every time

3118
02:18:43,319 --> 02:18:45,280
I die record and it's the coolest sounding thing ever.

3119
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,799
You don't quite get that Keith Buckley on this. But

3120
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:50,360
maybe that's the headspace he's he was in when writing

3121
02:18:50,399 --> 02:18:52,719
this way. He was doing clearly a lot more turmoil

3122
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:55,600
going into this record that he's kind of exercised that

3123
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:56,079
a little bit.

3124
02:18:56,120 --> 02:18:58,360
Speaker 3: But I'm less kin on this.

3125
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:00,399
Speaker 2: Than I am the Better Lovers album, just because that

3126
02:19:00,520 --> 02:19:02,479
is the album that's picking up on the sound that I.

3127
02:19:03,239 --> 02:19:05,639
Speaker 4: Think actually really of a comparable quality.

3128
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:09,760
Speaker 2: That's a fair assessment. I think it comes down to what, like,

3129
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:13,239
what are you more kind of attuned to go for?

3130
02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:15,280
And for me, the Better Love sound is the one

3131
02:19:15,319 --> 02:19:19,000
I'm going to be more enticed by. But I do again,

3132
02:19:19,159 --> 02:19:20,920
I think people I think this has been quite a

3133
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:23,959
harshly judged one for whatever reason. I think it's started

3134
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:25,520
to come out there like people to say were like

3135
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:27,079
Keith Buckley's the villain.

3136
02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:31,159
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that that rings certainly of people taking sides

3137
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:34,280
and kind of having a bias confirmation.

3138
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 3: During their line in the sound and who they want to.

3139
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:37,520
Speaker 1: Be rather than the qull it the record, which I

3140
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:40,079
think is solid, just as I think the Better Lovers

3141
02:19:40,079 --> 02:19:40,360
one is.

3142
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:41,399
Speaker 4: So there you go.

3143
02:19:41,479 --> 02:19:44,200
Speaker 1: That is the the two pars that I suppose are

3144
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:47,239
coming out of every time I die and moving forward. Finally,

3145
02:19:47,319 --> 02:19:49,520
our next two albums, believe it or not, both of

3146
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:51,559
these came out the same day as The Cure. And

3147
02:19:51,920 --> 02:19:54,399
when the universe decides that is simply going to be

3148
02:19:54,399 --> 02:19:56,959
one for the goths like that, we have to oblige.

3149
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:58,360
And if that is you, then this is the point

3150
02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:59,239
where you've got to listen up.

3151
02:19:59,319 --> 02:20:00,639
Speaker 4: Firstly, we have the new.

3152
02:20:00,559 --> 02:20:05,360
Speaker 1: Record from Tribulation called sub Rosa in Eternum. Tribulation are

3153
02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:07,799
one of my favorite bands. I think if you were

3154
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:11,079
to take all of their output in totality, which is

3155
02:20:11,079 --> 02:20:13,879
the last fifteen years, and you put it against the

3156
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:17,360
same span of fifteen years from any other band, I

3157
02:20:17,399 --> 02:20:19,600
think that you could posit a case that they are

3158
02:20:20,159 --> 02:20:22,319
in the elite category of the best bands of that

3159
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:24,319
time period. I think that is a comparable run too.

3160
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:26,559
Let's say what someone like Ghost have put together in

3161
02:20:26,559 --> 02:20:28,719
that time period, someone and the Code Orange or whatever

3162
02:20:28,719 --> 02:20:30,600
put together. In that time period, they have been on

3163
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:35,440
such a run of form, evolving through different sounds, hitting

3164
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:37,440
on such a rare identity for themselves that I think,

3165
02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,479
even though they are still more underground comparatively, I think

3166
02:20:40,520 --> 02:20:43,280
it makes them a generationally classic bands. They are one

3167
02:20:43,319 --> 02:20:46,120
of the classic bands of the twenty tens and going

3168
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:49,799
forward for me, But this album sees the most significant

3169
02:20:49,799 --> 02:20:51,879
shakeup to that that they've had in quite a while.

3170
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:54,719
The last album, Where the Gloom Becomes Sounds, it's one

3171
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:56,719
of their best in my opinion. It was my number

3172
02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:59,000
two album of the year on that on this show.

3173
02:21:00,239 --> 02:21:02,799
But the feeling very much at the time was that

3174
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:05,159
even though we hadn't heard where they would go next

3175
02:21:05,159 --> 02:21:08,000
after it, it was kind of like polishing off something

3176
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:11,639
like the little arc of their career that was The

3177
02:21:11,719 --> 02:21:14,479
Children of the Night down Below, and that very much

3178
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:16,959
feels like a kind of sonic trilogy, exploring a particular

3179
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:20,639
terrain of like gothic infused extreme heavy metal, and it

3180
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:22,200
was taken to such a point on that record that

3181
02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:25,840
didn't necessarily make it clear how much more from that

3182
02:21:25,879 --> 02:21:28,440
particular well they could draw, like maybe there's an alternate

3183
02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:31,000
version of events where that is the ceiling of the

3184
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:32,840
version of this band, and then they just trade in

3185
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:35,200
diminishing returns if they stuck to that kind of thing.

3186
02:21:35,559 --> 02:21:36,440
Speaker 4: There's just something.

3187
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:39,879
Speaker 1: About that record that feels like the Bow and the

3188
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:43,680
Curtain call for that particular run of Tribulation records, and

3189
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:45,360
you could kind of feel that the band themselves sort

3190
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:47,200
of felt that way because Jonathan Holton, who was one

3191
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:51,079
of their guitarists and major songwriters, left the band immediately

3192
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:54,479
after finishing the record, notably stuck around to finish it

3193
02:21:54,760 --> 02:21:56,799
and then went as if he kind of felt like,

3194
02:21:57,159 --> 02:21:59,239
this is like my last offering on all things Tribulation,

3195
02:21:59,319 --> 02:22:01,440
and then that kind of as a book. They've replaced

3196
02:22:01,479 --> 02:22:03,440
him with a guy called Joseph who's also been in

3197
02:22:03,719 --> 02:22:05,879
you know, other bands in Sweden with them all for years.

3198
02:22:06,159 --> 02:22:09,360
They put an EP together called Hamasha last year, which

3199
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:11,719
was still like in kind of classic Tribulation but maybe

3200
02:22:11,799 --> 02:22:14,879
sort of poking around at what some other perspective directions

3201
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:17,840
could be. And now the first full length album this

3202
02:22:17,879 --> 02:22:20,079
lineup has put out, Subrows Are in a Tournam, is

3203
02:22:20,799 --> 02:22:23,959
the swerve that we had been expecting. I think Sam,

3204
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,959
you were fairly lukewarm on Tribulation when we last reviewed them,

3205
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,120
but yeah, maybe slowly coming around to them. This record, certainly,

3206
02:22:30,159 --> 02:22:33,000
imagine is the one that would be the most immediate

3207
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:36,200
to you in their catalog. General thoughts on Tribulation before

3208
02:22:36,239 --> 02:22:36,879
we dive in here.

3209
02:22:37,479 --> 02:22:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again I went back to that last album

3210
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:42,000
kind of after this, listened to this kind of like, so,

3211
02:22:42,040 --> 02:22:44,000
how do I feel about moving on in a couple

3212
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:46,399
of years about yourself? I like that album more now

3213
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:47,879
than I did at the time reviewing.

3214
02:22:48,079 --> 02:22:49,799
Speaker 4: Sure, I just need to go back and fully.

3215
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:52,319
Speaker 2: Explore every sort of previous to that. But I think

3216
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:53,840
they offered, like you know, you're right, that kind of

3217
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:57,959
gothic tinged, blackened heavy metal or extreme metal, whatever you

3218
02:22:57,959 --> 02:22:58,559
want to kind of.

3219
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:00,239
Speaker 4: Like our tart to call any thing.

3220
02:23:00,280 --> 02:23:02,840
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it covered a lot of ground and I

3221
02:23:02,840 --> 02:23:06,040
think it was a unique sound that was distinct to them, which, again,

3222
02:23:06,159 --> 02:23:09,319
even if I didn't massively love it, again, any band

3223
02:23:09,319 --> 02:23:11,239
who can kind of have their own niche that they

3224
02:23:11,239 --> 02:23:13,639
have carved out, I think that's something to sort of

3225
02:23:13,719 --> 02:23:15,159
like admire and celebrate.

3226
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:18,399
Speaker 3: But you are absolutely right in that this is the

3227
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:19,440
album that has made.

3228
02:23:19,399 --> 02:23:21,280
Speaker 4: Go all tribulation.

3229
02:23:21,799 --> 02:23:23,879
Speaker 2: I have no idea how this is gonna how this

3230
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:26,280
album's gonna sit with the rest of their fans, because

3231
02:23:26,319 --> 02:23:29,280
it is a pivot, but them going just full on

3232
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:33,479
goth rocks, slinking off into the goth nightclub, but still

3233
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:35,920
having a little bit of extremity that can creep up

3234
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,920
every now and then. I think this is sublime. I'm

3235
02:23:39,159 --> 02:23:41,520
so in on this record. It is a vibe.

3236
02:23:41,799 --> 02:23:45,440
Speaker 1: So the thing I've described cribulation at various points, which

3237
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:47,760
makes this have a makes sense, I guess is Explorers

3238
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,840
because fifteen years ago, on their debut album The Horror,

3239
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:53,440
they were a death metal band. Well fucking incredible one

3240
02:23:53,440 --> 02:23:54,600
I'd like to point out for the record. I think

3241
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:57,879
The Horror gets totally over shot now and forgotten because

3242
02:23:58,200 --> 02:24:01,479
it's like the simplistic rivative record in light of what

3243
02:24:01,479 --> 02:24:03,280
they were turned into. But it is an amazing death

3244
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:04,840
better record that I come back to more and more

3245
02:24:04,879 --> 02:24:06,200
over the years if I want that just kind of

3246
02:24:06,559 --> 02:24:09,680
blast of griminess. But from there, you know, they turned progressive,

3247
02:24:09,799 --> 02:24:12,319
they turned gothic, They invented a sound that no one's

3248
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:13,399
really played before.

3249
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:13,920
Speaker 4: Like them.

3250
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:16,239
Speaker 1: They are a bound who I view from the lens

3251
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:18,600
of often changing and kind of engaging with you know,

3252
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:21,479
each record on its own terms. The whole presentation of

3253
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:25,920
this record is self consciously different. Like the cover doesn't

3254
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:29,360
look like a carving from a nineteen tens marble garden

3255
02:24:29,479 --> 02:24:31,280
or something, and it's like the cult. It's got like

3256
02:24:31,319 --> 02:24:32,879
a big sigil and it's like part of the cult,

3257
02:24:32,879 --> 02:24:36,319
part guns and roses. They've also in the photo shoots

3258
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:38,000
on it. You know, they're not wearing corpse paint and

3259
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:41,840
looking like they're wearing cool goth sunglasses. Everything about their

3260
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:43,840
house record has been put out is kind of announcing

3261
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:47,280
something different, and with that in mind, I'm actually quite

3262
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:51,680
delighted by how much like old school tribulation is still

3263
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:55,040
in there, I suppose, which makes the transition makes sense

3264
02:24:55,079 --> 02:24:57,159
and not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But

3265
02:24:57,239 --> 02:25:02,000
it is one hundred percent tribulations goth rock pivot and

3266
02:25:02,159 --> 02:25:05,280
obviously know we reviewed Opeth earlier. It's a stage where

3267
02:25:05,399 --> 02:25:08,000
an extreme band has changed in a way that embraces

3268
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,520
things that aren't so extreme anymore, and you know, clean

3269
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:14,280
vocals are involved. It's a point where people who were

3270
02:25:14,280 --> 02:25:16,920
previously out like yourself to his degree, might be brought

3271
02:25:16,920 --> 02:25:19,600
more in and it's a point where people who were,

3272
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:21,879
you know, in might find themselves kind of cast out

3273
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:24,719
a little bit. And it's been funny to see the

3274
02:25:24,760 --> 02:25:28,120
reaction to this. I have to say, I've barely seen

3275
02:25:28,159 --> 02:25:31,799
a single negative comment after the album's release. I saw

3276
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,479
a few when the first singles were coming out, like

3277
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:37,319
Tribulation doing big goth choruses were singing. It's natural to

3278
02:25:37,319 --> 02:25:39,360
see some people trying to get their heads around it,

3279
02:25:39,799 --> 02:25:41,959
and as always you have the knee jerkers making some

3280
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,399
preemptive comment about the album that's gonna be shit or whatever.

3281
02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:46,920
But the album's actually gone down critically and in the

3282
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:48,280
fan base, as far as I can see, a lot

3283
02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:50,319
lot better than I had feared when I was first

3284
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:52,600
sent it. I think, you know, I mean, on the

3285
02:25:52,639 --> 02:25:55,840
other hand, I can remember people begging Tribulation to include

3286
02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:58,200
some element of vocal melody, even as far back as

3287
02:25:58,239 --> 02:26:00,639
like down Below or the Children that because they felt

3288
02:26:00,639 --> 02:26:02,600
it was kind of like untapped, and there was a

3289
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:04,639
group of people for whom like golf metal with harsh

3290
02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:06,200
vocals wasn't really reaching the potential.

3291
02:26:06,280 --> 02:26:07,399
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that could have made that

3292
02:26:07,479 --> 02:26:09,680
last album better. To me is a change up in

3293
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:11,639
vocal styles. Yeah, I'm having a bit more of that

3294
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,440
on that last Albu would have maybe sold it to

3295
02:26:13,479 --> 02:26:13,719
me more.

3296
02:26:13,799 --> 02:26:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can't agree that the you know,

3297
02:26:15,399 --> 02:26:17,399
golf metal with harsh vocal things never worked, because I

3298
02:26:17,399 --> 02:26:19,879
fucking loved it. But it was stated by people. My

3299
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:22,799
immediate reaction to this album was that it was a swerve,

3300
02:26:22,920 --> 02:26:25,520
as I had geared myself up for it to be

3301
02:26:25,799 --> 02:26:28,760
that I was really really into, you know, enjoying the

3302
02:26:28,799 --> 02:26:30,959
sounds that they were playing with. And while it might

3303
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:33,600
mark an end to what in my head I considered

3304
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:36,479
to be classic Tribulation, you know, I fully expected them

3305
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:37,840
to evolve and move on anyway, so I might as

3306
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:40,520
well open myself up to it now many weeks and

3307
02:26:40,559 --> 02:26:42,920
listens down the line. I like it even more than that,

3308
02:26:43,079 --> 02:26:44,799
And while not my you know, my very favorite of

3309
02:26:44,799 --> 02:26:47,399
their albums, I think this still is classic Tribulation.

3310
02:26:47,639 --> 02:26:48,760
Speaker 4: It just sounds a bit different.

3311
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:50,479
Speaker 2: I Mean, the thing is, is the pier that they're

3312
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:52,440
going to is someone that's sow you anyway, Isn't it.

3313
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:55,120
Speaker 4: Like Lesbie Real?

3314
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:58,399
Speaker 2: Like this is a I don't know I'm going for

3315
02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:01,520
a band to compare it to, but aband doing one thing,

3316
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:04,280
and then completely going it's not a self out learning

3317
02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:08,879
Atlantis album like like as a thing, but like to me, yeah,

3318
02:27:08,879 --> 02:27:10,280
this is because I was surprised.

3319
02:27:10,360 --> 02:27:11,959
Speaker 3: I knew this SOE was gonna be a pivot. I've

3320
02:27:11,959 --> 02:27:13,200
seen the talk going into it.

3321
02:27:13,319 --> 02:27:13,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3322
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:16,319
Speaker 2: And then when like Tainted Skies after that kind of

3323
02:27:17,159 --> 02:27:19,959
instructory track, which is very kind of like Atmospheric has

3324
02:27:19,959 --> 02:27:23,559
that kind of sultry instrumental or that basic gothic creon

3325
02:27:23,639 --> 02:27:26,319
that's like how low can you can? You go with it?

3326
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:28,280
But when Tad Skies comes in with this like gothic

3327
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:31,879
noir lead guitar melodies singing to the golf club, and

3328
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,520
then the vocals come in, it's still this kind of

3329
02:27:33,559 --> 02:27:36,680
like horrid barked vocals. Oh no, this still actually isn't

3330
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:40,280
a total departure for tribulation. It's funny because the chorus

3331
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:43,920
is all screamed, but it's huge and so like it's

3332
02:27:43,959 --> 02:27:46,479
still got all those things that I was, like, things

3333
02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:48,280
that people like to triblaseball. I can still hear it

3334
02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:52,600
in this. It's just less maybe like grand Gothic sensibility

3335
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:57,120
and more kind of like nighttime moody gothic sensibility, and

3336
02:27:57,360 --> 02:28:00,200
I like, you get some jolly guitar so looking like

3337
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:02,520
points in it. Like I think this is just like

3338
02:28:02,879 --> 02:28:04,719
a really just cool vibe.

3339
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:05,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3340
02:28:05,159 --> 02:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if it might even have reinvigorated

3341
02:28:08,079 --> 02:28:09,840
them a bit in terms of how people think about

3342
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:12,440
them now that they have like you know, shifted again

3343
02:28:12,719 --> 02:28:14,559
and done something new, because I think this album was

3344
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:16,920
like something like number five in like the new Decibel

3345
02:28:16,959 --> 02:28:18,719
album of the Earpole that's just gone out, and I

3346
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:21,559
expected it to actually receive a much harsher reception, and

3347
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:24,159
I'm very happy to be wrong, and I guess I

3348
02:28:24,159 --> 02:28:25,479
would be part of that maybe is that it does

3349
02:28:25,559 --> 02:28:29,799
actually manage to be so familiar and fundamentally it does

3350
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:32,840
exactly what I would want, you know, a quote normal

3351
02:28:32,879 --> 02:28:36,319
tribulation album, if one did exist to do. The singles

3352
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:38,200
from this record are all fucking bangers, and while they

3353
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:40,719
exist in different modes, the first two on the album

3354
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:43,799
Taintus Guys and sat and Coming Down, they filled me

3355
02:28:43,799 --> 02:28:45,559
with like all of the great tribulation feelings and as

3356
02:28:45,559 --> 02:28:48,559
you're saying, like Tatus Guys tears out of that like

3357
02:28:48,879 --> 02:28:52,319
sinister horror movie credits type intro track where the bassline

3358
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:55,840
is so like impish. The riff is mischievous in a

3359
02:28:55,879 --> 02:28:57,639
way that sounds like a squad of bats coming out

3360
02:28:57,639 --> 02:28:59,280
at you. Yeah, and I think on that you can

3361
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:01,440
hear how they're using those tools just to further eke

3362
02:29:01,479 --> 02:29:03,639
out that again kind of scale that was already there,

3363
02:29:03,639 --> 02:29:06,879
because the chorus of Tainted Skuys could have been on

3364
02:29:06,920 --> 02:29:09,159
a previous Tribulation record, but it's got this like backing

3365
02:29:09,239 --> 02:29:11,319
vocals and stuff in there that gives it this slightly

3366
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:14,000
more operatic sort of quality. They produce us with Tom

3367
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:16,360
Dagglety again, so it has that kind of easily tone

3368
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:18,520
of you know, dark majesty. One of the things that

3369
02:29:18,559 --> 02:29:21,559
I really like is that they've used the clean vocals

3370
02:29:21,559 --> 02:29:24,239
in a way that's not just like using in the

3371
02:29:24,239 --> 02:29:26,280
the obvious formula you imagine, like, you know, the kind

3372
02:29:26,280 --> 02:29:28,000
of whatever the metal core equivalent would be that.

3373
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:30,600
Speaker 2: The screen verse song Chorse, it's kind of doing the

3374
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:32,639
opposite that the verse is where the clean vocals coming in.

3375
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean it varies from song to song because then

3376
02:29:34,319 --> 02:29:39,040
you say, Tainted Skyles opens in sinister gothy register and

3377
02:29:39,079 --> 02:29:42,600
then ramps it up to straight growl and I think,

3378
02:29:42,639 --> 02:29:45,559
you know, he's like the best addiction and delivery of

3379
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:48,520
like growled poetry for years anyway, and the fucking and

3380
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:50,000
You'll See I'm your approach and the I'm the one

3381
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:51,799
year before I'm dying to be born and to thrive

3382
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:55,159
against once More rocks hard in that song. But they

3383
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:57,520
do a lot on this album. They kind of they

3384
02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:01,079
deploy the different registers of vocals in ways that I've

3385
02:30:01,079 --> 02:30:03,879
been really delicately thought out on a case by case basis,

3386
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:06,360
And it's not just like a clunky, one size fits

3387
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:09,879
all approach. Because Drink the Love of God is a

3388
02:30:09,959 --> 02:30:12,760
riff that immediately like sweeps me off my feet, and

3389
02:30:12,799 --> 02:30:16,639
I would traditionally expect then a harsher tribulation vocal on

3390
02:30:16,639 --> 02:30:19,399
that track, but instead, you know, Johannah's popped onto that

3391
02:30:19,440 --> 02:30:22,079
in like sultry crooner mode, and he delivers a cadence

3392
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:24,799
that I can totally imagine, like the kind of the

3393
02:30:24,879 --> 02:30:28,079
shadowed in the chorus. I can hear him doing that

3394
02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:30,600
on a previous tribulation record in the growl, right, But

3395
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:33,399
it's just he's delivered it with a melody that to

3396
02:30:33,479 --> 02:30:37,360
me makes it a just a proper catchy song that

3397
02:30:37,399 --> 02:30:39,559
again has all of the production grander. I would want

3398
02:30:39,559 --> 02:30:41,280
from like the Cult or the Sisters of Mercy or

3399
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:44,440
whatever where tribulation they always have this great thing where

3400
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:46,840
their low end sounds like a booming church organ or something,

3401
02:30:47,159 --> 02:30:48,760
but the fucking the key change in that is like

3402
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:49,879
goth radio fodder.

3403
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,840
Speaker 2: I swear honestly like I'm During the Love of God's

3404
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:54,399
one of my favorite song example, because he's got this

3405
02:30:54,440 --> 02:30:56,680
for like that classic rock and roll thing that's so

3406
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:59,559
much kind of like goth punk, kind of like draws

3407
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:02,680
on that that almost like misfitsy kind of approach to

3408
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:05,600
melot to the goth melody is there. It's bombastic, fun

3409
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:09,760
and catchy and like like really moment like unto others,

3410
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:11,639
and that kind of vein of things as well, like

3411
02:31:12,360 --> 02:31:14,799
during the Love of God, and when that key change

3412
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:18,319
comes in, I was like, oh, hell yeah, this is

3413
02:31:18,360 --> 02:31:21,040
the best. There's so many more like Saturn Coming Down,

3414
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:22,719
that's a full like goth Hipshire.

3415
02:31:23,079 --> 02:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Saturn Coming Down is like one of my most listened

3416
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:28,879
to or at least most just randomly sung songs of

3417
02:31:28,879 --> 02:31:30,000
the year, because it's been out of the single for

3418
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:30,639
a while and it's just.

3419
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:33,079
Speaker 2: So when that Saturn Coming Down Corus came and I

3420
02:31:33,159 --> 02:31:35,600
was like, I almost screamed with glear just the sound

3421
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:37,840
just sounding so the call.

3422
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,680
Speaker 1: And response with the guitars for me, where it doesn't

3423
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:41,879
you know, Saturn coming down, and then the classic beautiful

3424
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:46,200
Tribulation lead guitars kind of answering that sung melody that

3425
02:31:46,360 --> 02:31:47,559
is what makes that fucking pop.

3426
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,079
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that was the thing I

3427
02:31:49,079 --> 02:31:51,079
know was that the lead guitar worker that is still

3428
02:31:51,239 --> 02:31:54,680
so heavy metal infected, which again makes it more than

3429
02:31:54,719 --> 02:31:57,040
just a goth rock album where I can recognize that

3430
02:31:57,440 --> 02:32:00,000
as a thing. I remember from the other Tribulation album

3431
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,639
that we reviewed that there was that heavy metal like

3432
02:32:02,639 --> 02:32:03,399
twin lead stuff.

3433
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:06,360
Speaker 1: And they are the best lead guitar band in the

3434
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:09,440
world for my taste at least, like I want lead

3435
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:11,360
guitars to sound the way they do in Tribulation, like

3436
02:32:11,479 --> 02:32:14,360
the thrumbing all through songs, the big solo sections where

3437
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:16,719
they're allowed to really take the limelight, the dual trade

3438
02:32:16,719 --> 02:32:19,719
off sections, and hearing that run all through this record

3439
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:21,680
still is like ye echol, that's still Tribulation.

3440
02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they the tone of it is slightly more

3441
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:27,799
like goth rocking, but it's still just nice to have

3442
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:31,200
like lead guitar parts that are like the driving force

3443
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:33,959
behind these songs. And again there's just so many just

3444
02:32:34,040 --> 02:32:37,520
catchy moments on the songs hungry waters like struts along

3445
02:32:37,639 --> 02:32:40,079
like low based on clean the guitar parts. You get

3446
02:32:40,159 --> 02:32:43,000
again that call and response part, which is great. You

3447
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:45,120
get a big film like ah in the chorus. There's

3448
02:32:45,559 --> 02:32:47,520
so much fun to be had on this album, which

3449
02:32:47,559 --> 02:32:50,040
I think, again I didn't necessarily get fun from the

3450
02:32:50,079 --> 02:32:50,920
other Tribulation album.

3451
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:52,520
Speaker 3: Then there might be again when I come back to Oh,

3452
02:32:52,600 --> 02:32:55,600
then there is a yeah, they are more for me.

3453
02:32:55,639 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 1: They're just super like transportative, like I find them to

3454
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:01,440
be the most again atmospheric, betiful kind of band. This

3455
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:02,719
maybe does have a little bit more that other thing,

3456
02:33:02,760 --> 02:33:04,120
but I mean, I still get that feeling in these

3457
02:33:04,239 --> 02:33:07,280
I mean vocally, the tone of Jahannah's voice. I'm kind

3458
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:09,079
of impressed at how good a singer he is because

3459
02:33:09,079 --> 02:33:13,360
he's he's definitely in you know, a kind of stereotype

3460
02:33:13,360 --> 02:33:15,079
goth register to a degree like that kind of like

3461
02:33:15,079 --> 02:33:19,079
warbly baritone, and is he don't know, hamming up the

3462
02:33:19,399 --> 02:33:22,200
theatricality of that for the sake of the vibe They're

3463
02:33:22,200 --> 02:33:23,639
going for I mean probably to a degree. I mean,

3464
02:33:23,639 --> 02:33:25,680
he might not sing these songs and an Iron Maiden

3465
02:33:25,719 --> 02:33:27,319
song in the same kind of way, but I do

3466
02:33:27,399 --> 02:33:29,120
get of all the people who are operating in that

3467
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:31,440
kind of realm. There are less moments on this to

3468
02:33:31,479 --> 02:33:33,719
me that feel like he's doing some kind of Baddie

3469
02:33:33,799 --> 02:33:37,600
Curtis impression and more I imagine that he opens his

3470
02:33:37,639 --> 02:33:39,239
mouth and that's kind of the I mean, like, you know,

3471
02:33:39,479 --> 02:33:41,479
I have a you know, slightly toned down regelter, but

3472
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,040
if I'm just singing to myself or whatever, this is

3473
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:44,680
the sort of tone of like baritone that my voice

3474
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:46,799
kind of naturally moves into. So I can totally understand that.

3475
02:33:46,879 --> 02:33:49,559
And ultimately, like he's a he's a goth rock singer.

3476
02:33:49,879 --> 02:33:52,200
He's singing in a goth rock style, and he does

3477
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:54,920
have character I think unique to him, and the melodies

3478
02:33:55,239 --> 02:33:56,959
stack up, and I think that's when you get a

3479
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:59,920
real departure like Hungry Waters. If again, if songs like

3480
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:02,079
sat and Coming Down or take this guy's kind of

3481
02:34:02,079 --> 02:34:05,520
melding new and old tribulation Hungry Waters, you can hear

3482
02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:08,280
how much this band have been able to kind of

3483
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:11,079
I don't know, bring into their Arsenal over the years,

3484
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:14,239
because the groove in the rhythm section, like you can't

3485
02:34:14,239 --> 02:34:16,120
go straight from the horror of high speed death metal

3486
02:34:16,159 --> 02:34:18,680
into this, you know, like the bassline is so lushed,

3487
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:21,200
a little high hat groove which is so soft to

3488
02:34:21,239 --> 02:34:23,840
the touch in just the right way. And your Hannah's

3489
02:34:23,959 --> 02:34:25,719
shines on that song where I think that's a song

3490
02:34:25,719 --> 02:34:28,799
where you need like a powerful presence of a singer

3491
02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:31,000
at the center of that to like fill out the mix.

3492
02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:32,719
And he does it and then some and as you say,

3493
02:34:32,760 --> 02:34:34,360
like trading off with the backing vocals on the Care

3494
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:37,799
You Fear the Hunger is really good. The chorus with

3495
02:34:37,879 --> 02:34:41,959
the big backing vocals and open like rock guitar chords,

3496
02:34:42,159 --> 02:34:44,280
it's it's for me, it's just magic.

3497
02:34:44,879 --> 02:34:47,319
Speaker 2: I think Murdering Red is like the other example of

3498
02:34:47,319 --> 02:34:49,319
that are like the majesty of the sort of the

3499
02:34:49,319 --> 02:34:52,360
gothic elements where they goes that they're just more than

3500
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:54,680
just kind of like a band is just kind of like, oh,

3501
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:56,040
we're gonna be a bit goth this time, where they

3502
02:34:56,079 --> 02:34:59,079
they there's so much thought going into the sort of

3503
02:34:59,239 --> 02:35:01,600
sound of that one with simps the way it bursts

3504
02:35:01,639 --> 02:35:04,280
life in that chorus and the like laceervation on the

3505
02:35:04,319 --> 02:35:07,680
Moonlit Skies again just what a cool goth lyric you

3506
02:35:07,719 --> 02:35:08,399
can kind of put.

3507
02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:09,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the.

3508
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Thing with that is they have for a long time

3509
02:35:12,559 --> 02:35:16,559
been kind of integrating like again, progressive rock nineteen seventies

3510
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:20,440
horror score type influences into Again, previously they're quite extreme sound,

3511
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:22,600
but it's a real part of their character using that influence.

3512
02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:25,440
And here it's like they've been able to channel those

3513
02:35:25,440 --> 02:35:28,280
things into essentially like goth pop songs. And again, it's

3514
02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:31,239
very it feels very unique to them, And I mean

3515
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:32,959
there's a bit in Hungry Waters where it kind of

3516
02:35:32,959 --> 02:35:35,079
builds from the little like clap along piano melody part

3517
02:35:35,079 --> 02:35:37,520
that feels very much like that. But when they like

3518
02:35:37,559 --> 02:35:39,719
turn that into a whole piece on Murdering Red is

3519
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:41,639
like some of the coolest songs they've ever written, I think,

3520
02:35:41,639 --> 02:35:45,360
because that's the one where they have made a full on,

3521
02:35:45,719 --> 02:35:48,799
like neon eighties horror VHS style music video for it,

3522
02:35:48,879 --> 02:35:50,680
because it had to be right, like you can't hear

3523
02:35:50,719 --> 02:35:54,040
it in picture anything else. Like the riffs and the

3524
02:35:54,079 --> 02:35:56,719
melodies lines, they almost feel like magpied out of a

3525
02:35:56,799 --> 02:36:00,280
various movie themes or something. There's like the pro ground

3526
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:02,680
like electronic drums on that song, just on that one song,

3527
02:36:02,719 --> 02:36:04,760
and they give it a really killer, like dark synth

3528
02:36:04,840 --> 02:36:07,440
rock kind of touch. There is that flavor to it.

3529
02:36:07,479 --> 02:36:10,120
There has never been a tribulation track with black gloves

3530
02:36:10,120 --> 02:36:13,520
more firmly on than this one. And again, the coolest

3531
02:36:13,559 --> 02:36:16,239
lyrics that on that chorus, I feel so dark and

3532
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:18,479
morbid the way that you know your Hannah's sings them,

3533
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:20,440
because they're almost like cannibal corps sirits at points like

3534
02:36:20,440 --> 02:36:23,360
gess gushing blood from what was once her eyes left behind,

3535
02:36:23,399 --> 02:36:26,079
bodies swarming with flights. Yeah, but the way he sings them,

3536
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:28,479
it's just like oozing with atmosphere.

3537
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:31,559
Speaker 2: It's like gothic, like dark gothic romance that you like.

3538
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:35,079
But again just like some like horrid violent lyrics. And

3539
02:36:35,079 --> 02:36:37,200
again that song one of the best guitar solos on

3540
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,479
the record for me. That song, which again just another

3541
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:41,639
thing it can pull out, Like I mean you say

3542
02:36:41,639 --> 02:36:43,920
that the pulling things. One of the lyrics is like

3543
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:45,479
crystal plumage.

3544
02:36:45,079 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Or metal nous Like.

3545
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, I was like he said, crystal plumage. I

3546
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:53,200
wonder what it might not be, but like come on.

3547
02:36:53,399 --> 02:36:55,719
Speaker 4: It definitely is I know what these people like it

3548
02:36:55,799 --> 02:36:57,520
definitely exactly.

3549
02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:01,479
Speaker 2: And that's why totally atmosphere and just the vibe. I

3550
02:37:01,559 --> 02:37:03,200
keep some vibe, but that is just the way to

3551
02:37:03,239 --> 02:37:06,879
describe this record. It's so something that I'm just like, ah, yeah,

3552
02:37:07,000 --> 02:37:10,000
I'm just so down with what tribulation of tapped into here.

3553
02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeahord the production touches like the church bells and the

3554
02:37:13,399 --> 02:37:16,559
last chorus of Hungry Waters. There's the weird like warbly

3555
02:37:16,799 --> 02:37:19,159
ghost choir voices at the end of Murdering Red that

3556
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:20,959
remind me of like the weird end of Quatza like

3557
02:37:21,000 --> 02:37:23,280
a little bit. There are there are songs that are

3558
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:27,959
real like pure late twenty tens tribulation style still, but

3559
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,680
they just don't make up the whole tracklets anymore. They're

3560
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:32,479
peppered in because Drink You Drink Love of God, as said,

3561
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:34,959
totally feels like a classic tribulation song, just as a

3562
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:38,440
different vocal approach time, and the vivid ore is essentially

3563
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:39,920
just an old tribulation song like.

3564
02:37:40,239 --> 02:37:42,000
Speaker 2: That was insanely that's the one where it's like this

3565
02:37:42,159 --> 02:37:43,959
grand blast of heavy meal and then it was like

3566
02:37:44,440 --> 02:37:46,959
oh cool that that and again in this package because

3567
02:37:46,959 --> 02:37:50,639
it's so of itself stands out loads yeah a good way.

3568
02:37:50,760 --> 02:37:52,639
Speaker 1: That's that's just what Tribulation sounded like, you know. But

3569
02:37:52,639 --> 02:37:54,200
at that stage in the track list, sure like throw

3570
02:37:54,200 --> 02:37:55,799
it in and it does sound like big and grand

3571
02:37:55,840 --> 02:37:57,200
with the open, doesn't.

3572
02:37:57,200 --> 02:37:59,719
Speaker 3: He just screams time is like so mean.

3573
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:02,159
Speaker 4: Yeah is the king of that shit, I swear.

3574
02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:05,520
Speaker 1: And then you have a Reaping song where they fully

3575
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:10,280
embrace in a quite startling way, this like beautiful rolling

3576
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:14,200
Americana with like country twang on the guitars and on

3577
02:38:14,200 --> 02:38:16,200
the pianos, and it feels like, you know, Tribulation with

3578
02:38:16,280 --> 02:38:20,040
all of their very European kind of cobwebbiness and that

3579
02:38:20,079 --> 02:38:23,280
sort of eccentricity by way of like when bands play

3580
02:38:23,319 --> 02:38:28,159
the Diner in Twin Peaks and again your Hannah's nails

3581
02:38:28,280 --> 02:38:32,159
the soulfulness needed for that particular song and then the

3582
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:34,280
synth melody that comes in after him is that is

3583
02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:36,000
fucking like ghost worthy, you know. And it's the kind

3584
02:38:36,040 --> 02:38:39,920
of things there that are spicing up an established template

3585
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:42,559
I suppose because it is their like Nick Cavy type song.

3586
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:45,440
But it's their Nick Cavy type song, you know what

3587
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:46,840
I mean, Like, yeah.

3588
02:38:46,680 --> 02:38:48,319
Speaker 2: That they do that kind of nick cave sort of

3589
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:49,760
thing has become such a dumb thing for a lot

3590
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:50,959
of like these golf.

3591
02:38:50,760 --> 02:38:52,639
Speaker 4: Bands, but they found a way to make it sound distinct.

3592
02:38:52,680 --> 02:38:54,479
No one would make it sound like Tribulation just it.

3593
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:57,799
Speaker 3: They've added their own spin of the drama of it.

3594
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:01,520
Speaker 2: You get those ghostly again, those coral vocals, that's kind

3595
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:03,200
of like that America tongue, a little that almost like

3596
02:39:03,239 --> 02:39:06,000
bloozy little flavors to they thing. And they do all

3597
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:08,159
these different elements and they make it feel really distinct

3598
02:39:08,159 --> 02:39:10,719
to them in again a way that just makes the

3599
02:39:10,799 --> 02:39:12,920
song well, could just be a kind of moody little

3600
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:15,040
piano number, so much more involving.

3601
02:39:15,319 --> 02:39:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3602
02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:18,040
Speaker 1: And then Poison Pages is the closer, which most fully

3603
02:39:18,040 --> 02:39:21,319
embraces a sort of straight eighties goth rock riff like

3604
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:23,920
that really swaps the kind of metal for a real

3605
02:39:24,079 --> 02:39:28,479
like Sisters of Mercy kind of dirty motorbike engine sort

3606
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:28,840
of groove.

3607
02:39:28,879 --> 02:39:29,600
Speaker 4: And it sounds great.

3608
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:31,440
Speaker 1: And I think I mean at this stage, like amongst

3609
02:39:31,479 --> 02:39:33,680
all the other bands that people always used to say

3610
02:39:33,719 --> 02:39:36,559
to like get people to listen to Tribulation, now I

3611
02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:38,600
think like if you're a hymn fan, for one thing,

3612
02:39:38,879 --> 02:39:41,040
you've got to check this album out, even creeper at

3613
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:46,239
this point. If you like Sanguavore and that absolutely you know, grandiose, vampiric, whatever.

3614
02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:49,600
I mean, it's the same producer. This should be up

3615
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:52,200
your alley, I think. And it's a really great job.

3616
02:39:52,239 --> 02:39:53,799
This album I think has done of like giving as

3617
02:39:53,799 --> 02:39:55,840
you were saying, each track has an identity. It's not

3618
02:39:55,879 --> 02:39:58,079
like they've settled in a direction and then put out

3619
02:39:58,079 --> 02:40:00,840
a bunch of like algorithmically produced dark wave songs or

3620
02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:04,600
something like. Instead, you can really feel the organic like

3621
02:40:04,959 --> 02:40:08,639
weaving in and out of things where appropriate throughout these

3622
02:40:08,639 --> 02:40:11,799
songs as each one demands, and I think, uh, you

3623
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:13,520
know it results on them at no point doing the

3624
02:40:13,559 --> 02:40:15,879
same song twice on this All nine of these tracks

3625
02:40:15,879 --> 02:40:19,719
serve a purpose and they have the details that make

3626
02:40:19,799 --> 02:40:23,040
it collectively feel like a breathing world that I am

3627
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:24,760
going to want to spend an awful lot of time.

3628
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3629
02:40:25,399 --> 02:40:27,079
Speaker 2: Absolutely, again this is this has been the album that's

3630
02:40:27,079 --> 02:40:28,440
fully sold Tribulation on me.

3631
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:29,920
Speaker 4: It makes me happy and.

3632
02:40:30,239 --> 02:40:31,840
Speaker 3: Again I do want to go back and listen to

3633
02:40:31,879 --> 02:40:32,120
it now.

3634
02:40:32,479 --> 02:40:34,479
Speaker 2: And again I know I'm not going to get exactly

3635
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:36,440
what this album offers.

3636
02:40:36,559 --> 02:40:39,319
Speaker 1: This probably will be your favorite Tribulation album. But if

3637
02:40:39,319 --> 02:40:41,000
it unlocks something about the previous ones, and that's a

3638
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:41,280
great well.

3639
02:40:41,319 --> 02:40:42,879
Speaker 2: The thing is, is the more previously relationship it's on

3640
02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:45,079
this album make more sense to me now and I'm

3641
02:40:45,120 --> 02:40:47,000
willing to kind of go with the sort of but

3642
02:40:47,079 --> 02:40:48,680
I probably am just going to sort of work backwards

3643
02:40:48,680 --> 02:40:49,200
through it now.

3644
02:40:49,239 --> 02:40:52,520
Speaker 3: But I think this album is I I was I wanted.

3645
02:40:52,559 --> 02:40:54,559
Speaker 2: I think it's I always wanted to like Tribulation, like

3646
02:40:54,719 --> 02:40:56,680
after I want to see what you did.

3647
02:40:56,920 --> 02:40:58,639
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad they've gone here he go sad

3648
02:40:58,680 --> 02:40:58,920
this one.

3649
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,639
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a thing of oast sound that you

3650
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,319
can't resist them, Like, no, you're right, I cannot resist.

3651
02:41:04,520 --> 02:41:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough.

3652
02:41:05,559 --> 02:41:08,079
Speaker 1: And just a reminder they are doing a long awaited

3653
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:11,360
UK headline tour in February of next year.

3654
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:14,000
Speaker 3: Because I want to see this.

3655
02:41:14,159 --> 02:41:14,680
Speaker 4: There you go.

3656
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Final album for this episode and for reviews in twenty

3657
02:41:18,840 --> 02:41:22,479
twenty four comes from a Neon Nightmare. It's called Faded Dream.

3658
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:24,959
I was a bit elusive about this on the day

3659
02:41:24,959 --> 02:41:26,920
that it came out in the release round up because

3660
02:41:27,479 --> 02:41:30,879
sort of ostensibly going into this it was an anonymous project.

3661
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:33,239
It was really very much like an open secret where

3662
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:35,520
he was. He was barely really pretending to not be it,

3663
02:41:35,639 --> 02:41:38,200
but it just very seemed to be like a joky

3664
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:40,719
bit of fun experiment. Out of respect for the intentions,

3665
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:42,239
I didn't name him, but he seems to have very

3666
02:41:42,280 --> 02:41:43,159
much lifted the mask.

3667
02:41:43,239 --> 02:41:43,440
Speaker 4: Now.

3668
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:46,760
Speaker 1: This is Nate Garrett from Spirit Drift's new project. Spirit

3669
02:41:46,840 --> 02:41:48,639
Drift very much still a thing as far as I'm aware,

3670
02:41:48,680 --> 02:41:50,360
don't worry, but this is a new thing that he

3671
02:41:50,399 --> 02:41:53,319
started on the side, because it very much puts its

3672
02:41:53,319 --> 02:41:56,120
eggs in one particular sonic basket. I mean a tribulation

3673
02:41:56,159 --> 02:41:58,159
of crib in from like a few clear things to

3674
02:41:58,159 --> 02:41:59,959
factor into their sound. Then I think it's fair to

3675
02:42:00,040 --> 02:42:02,280
say that this is a full blown worship band, and

3676
02:42:02,319 --> 02:42:04,719
I think Nate himself would probably describe it like that,

3677
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:06,079
because that's very much the place he seems to have

3678
02:42:06,120 --> 02:42:08,280
set out to, you know, to make this from. If

3679
02:42:08,280 --> 02:42:10,319
you don't know Spirit Adrift, catch up, because they are

3680
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:13,639
one of the best first doom but then just best

3681
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:16,760
heavy metal bands around for the past several years. He

3682
02:42:16,879 --> 02:42:18,559
is one of the best guys at the moment at

3683
02:42:18,559 --> 02:42:23,000
writing like kick ass life, affirming songs through the language

3684
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:25,040
of heavy metal, like writing songs that I find at

3685
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:28,959
least like really lift you up. That's not the aim here,

3686
02:42:28,959 --> 02:42:31,559
at least not in the same way. Because this project

3687
02:42:31,639 --> 02:42:34,680
is a love letter to all things goth doom and

3688
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:38,440
most specifically and obviously all things Typo Negative. There are

3689
02:42:38,639 --> 02:42:40,840
other influences that do show their heads at different points,

3690
02:42:40,879 --> 02:42:44,120
but the most obvious central point is Typo Negative. And

3691
02:42:44,159 --> 02:42:46,159
when I say it was initially not revealed who was

3692
02:42:46,200 --> 02:42:48,920
in the band, the comment sections under these videos when

3693
02:42:48,920 --> 02:42:51,879
the first singles are released full of people arguing over

3694
02:42:51,879 --> 02:42:53,840
whether or not it was a new band from Josh Silver,

3695
02:42:53,959 --> 02:42:57,079
formerly of Typo Negative. That is pretty funny, and I

3696
02:42:57,079 --> 02:42:59,360
feel like vocally he doesn't say anything like Jossilver really,

3697
02:42:59,399 --> 02:43:03,280
but I feel like you must have Typo negatived pretty slow,

3698
02:43:03,319 --> 02:43:05,200
deep and hard. If people are out saying that, you

3699
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:07,959
actually must be someone who was in them. Sam, we

3700
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,479
reviewed the last Spirit a Drift album. It was great,

3701
02:43:10,559 --> 02:43:13,399
everybody liked it. You also, to some degree, I presume,

3702
02:43:13,479 --> 02:43:16,000
must enjoy the works of type of Negative.

3703
02:43:15,719 --> 02:43:17,280
Speaker 4: Or do you like Thypo Negative quite a bit?

3704
02:43:17,360 --> 02:43:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, or perhaps a little Danzig as well. And I

3705
02:43:20,079 --> 02:43:23,079
think this record has kind of humble ambitions and that

3706
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:24,879
it knows exactly what it wants to be, and I

3707
02:43:24,879 --> 02:43:26,680
don't think we need to posit as anything too much

3708
02:43:26,719 --> 02:43:28,360
more than what it is aiming to be. But did

3709
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:29,120
you have fun with this?

3710
02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean this is what this is what a side

3711
02:43:31,399 --> 02:43:33,840
project should be to me, is it's a guy just

3712
02:43:33,879 --> 02:43:39,079
who clearly loves a particular sound just enjoying himself recreating

3713
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:40,840
that sound. I think there is like right, there is

3714
02:43:40,920 --> 02:43:42,520
so much typo. There's I having quite a bit of

3715
02:43:42,600 --> 02:43:44,200
Sabbath in this points which again like.

3716
02:43:44,159 --> 02:43:45,440
Speaker 4: That actually yeah, that's unavoidable.

3717
02:43:45,639 --> 02:43:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I always kind of not expecting this

3718
02:43:47,959 --> 02:43:50,079
to be quite so doomy. I thought this was going

3719
02:43:50,159 --> 02:43:51,799
to be a bit more really in the God side.

3720
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:54,360
But what it is is you're just taking that big

3721
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:57,280
doomy thing, putting in you know, like a bit of

3722
02:43:57,360 --> 02:43:59,520
eighty sympth in there and kind of like just go

3723
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:02,840
sounds but big, like big belgiy for chorus.

3724
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:03,399
Speaker 3: In that opening song.

3725
02:44:03,479 --> 02:44:06,120
Speaker 2: Like but I think this is just a really fun

3726
02:44:06,159 --> 02:44:11,079
listen first and that is so again sad, yeah, like no,

3727
02:44:11,159 --> 02:44:13,600
but it is. But it's clearly kind of a celebration

3728
02:44:13,719 --> 02:44:16,440
of that sound and a kind of like love letter

3729
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:18,600
to it. And as a result. If you like that,

3730
02:44:18,639 --> 02:44:20,399
it's a really enjoyable listen.

3731
02:44:20,600 --> 02:44:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's really gone like all out with

3732
02:44:22,760 --> 02:44:24,520
the homage. Like you know, you will notice that the

3733
02:44:24,879 --> 02:44:27,760
fonts are down the side of the album cover. There's

3734
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:29,520
a version of like the sort of the famous like

3735
02:44:29,559 --> 02:44:31,760
life support Schigul that type of negative have He's done

3736
02:44:31,799 --> 02:44:34,879
like his own version of that. This is a record

3737
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:37,520
explicitly for a world that doesn't have type of negative

3738
02:44:37,559 --> 02:44:39,879
in it anymore. And he's gone, well, i'll do it

3739
02:44:39,879 --> 02:44:42,040
myself then, and like, you know, is it the real deal?

3740
02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:45,399
Obviously they can't exactly be, but I do admire the

3741
02:44:45,440 --> 02:44:46,840
goal to go fuck it, I'll do that, and I

3742
02:44:46,840 --> 02:44:49,159
do enjoy it a great deal. I think it you know,

3743
02:44:49,319 --> 02:44:51,719
it starts with the sound of like waking up to

3744
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:53,040
a phone call or something in the way a type

3745
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:57,280
of negative album might, but then slipping straight into the

3746
02:44:57,319 --> 02:45:00,120
you know, the lusciousness of lost Silver. The keys that

3747
02:45:00,239 --> 02:45:03,120
he feels like spot on the guitar lead picking it

3748
02:45:03,159 --> 02:45:03,559
up at the.

3749
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:04,440
Speaker 4: End is wonderful.

3750
02:45:04,719 --> 02:45:06,719
Speaker 1: All the tricks are really there to kind of scratch

3751
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:09,079
that type of negative itch. But I had Sam and

3752
02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:10,840
you mentioned it. The best bit of that song for

3753
02:45:10,920 --> 02:45:13,440
me is in the chorus is when he moves from

3754
02:45:13,479 --> 02:45:16,959
the more sort of pete steelish, whispery low vocal to.

3755
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:20,040
Speaker 3: That register change is so it's like really rousy.

3756
02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's when he starts belting on that

3757
02:45:21,959 --> 02:45:25,000
higher register is when I go, oh shit, that's Nate.

3758
02:45:24,799 --> 02:45:25,680
Speaker 4: From Spirit a Drift.

3759
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like his voice is his voice, and suddenly

3760
02:45:28,239 --> 02:45:32,200
hearing like the full blown Spirit a Drift voice coming

3761
02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:34,399
out of that kind of you know, chorus is fucking

3762
02:45:34,520 --> 02:45:36,440
awesome and it does give me chills. And I think,

3763
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:38,520
you know, he's grown particular. I would say on the

3764
02:45:38,600 --> 02:45:40,680
last two Spirit Drift albums, he's grown to be such

3765
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:43,040
an awesome heavy metal singer. And he can't you know

3766
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,600
again like type of negative is so New York. He

3767
02:45:46,639 --> 02:45:48,959
can't escape that particular Southern kick.

3768
02:45:49,000 --> 02:45:49,680
Speaker 4: No he has.

3769
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:51,879
Speaker 2: I think that's a real distinct flavor too. This Actually

3770
02:45:51,879 --> 02:45:53,680
that does just make it something a little different.

3771
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:55,559
Speaker 1: And as much as I love all the typoisms, it's

3772
02:45:55,559 --> 02:45:58,520
that moment when his voice really punches through that really

3773
02:45:58,520 --> 02:45:58,920
moves me.

3774
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it helps out the riff at that

3775
02:46:01,440 --> 02:46:03,479
point smashed you around the face as well.

3776
02:46:03,639 --> 02:46:04,760
Speaker 3: I kind of kept getting taken off.

3777
02:46:04,760 --> 02:46:07,040
Speaker 2: God, how much the riffs on this on this album

3778
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:10,639
punch really hard because I was kind of again, there's

3779
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:12,920
all the Mistress, like the really sultry goth simps and

3780
02:46:12,920 --> 02:46:13,879
all that, and I was like, oh yeah, and the

3781
02:46:14,120 --> 02:46:16,079
crude and then and then they guys go, oh, but

3782
02:46:16,120 --> 02:46:18,639
don't forget this is a fucking doom band. Here is

3783
02:46:18,760 --> 02:46:23,600
a kick ass, like big booming riff and it just

3784
02:46:23,639 --> 02:46:26,200
gives it so much like weight and power. And again

3785
02:46:26,360 --> 02:46:29,280
when playing against that chorus, it sounds enormous.

3786
02:46:29,440 --> 02:46:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he does do a pretty pitch perfect

3787
02:46:31,319 --> 02:46:34,840
pete steel in the middle of a Promethean gift, which

3788
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:36,399
is visually really great. I really, I'm just on the

3789
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,239
riff front. You're talking about laughing all the way to

3790
02:46:38,280 --> 02:46:41,399
the grave. Where As, like a fellow student of Tony

3791
02:46:41,479 --> 02:46:44,559
Iomi as well, Nate manages to you know, he connects

3792
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:48,879
that particular Sabbath lineage in typo and he nails one

3793
02:46:48,920 --> 02:46:52,079
of those like up tempos or blues rock monster riffs

3794
02:46:52,120 --> 02:46:54,159
that they you know, would deploying songs, and that is

3795
02:46:54,200 --> 02:46:55,639
just straight up one of the best, like you know,

3796
02:46:56,200 --> 02:46:58,680
doom stoner blues, whatever you want to call it, just

3797
02:46:58,760 --> 02:47:00,479
rifts of the year, and like I said, a drift

3798
02:47:00,520 --> 02:47:03,000
is so uplifting and powerful in that kind of lane,

3799
02:47:03,079 --> 02:47:05,120
I can connect to that and very much feel the

3800
02:47:05,159 --> 02:47:07,200
same energies, even if it is like obviously much much

3801
02:47:07,239 --> 02:47:09,879
gloomier here because the riff is just a fucking shit kicker.

3802
02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think laughing all the Way to the Grave

3803
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:13,760
and they look like shadows probably like my two favorites

3804
02:47:13,879 --> 02:47:16,639
on on this record, by laugh on the Way Togo

3805
02:47:16,719 --> 02:47:18,559
that main Like I say that that main hook of

3806
02:47:18,600 --> 02:47:21,200
Laughing was the Way to Grave. That's great, it's really catchy.

3807
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:24,680
The riff's huge. It's quite like widescreen scope when you've

3808
02:47:24,680 --> 02:47:26,520
got the backing vocals and pianos coming in.

3809
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:29,559
Speaker 1: But it's all power, yeah, because you know, the big

3810
02:47:29,600 --> 02:47:33,440
elevation moments of that song are with the layered vocal,

3811
02:47:33,440 --> 02:47:36,479
hormonos and staff again the guitar lead echoing the vocal

3812
02:47:36,520 --> 02:47:40,120
at the end, they're they're really stirring. It does it

3813
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:44,399
almost like very knowingly positions certain songs like kind of

3814
02:47:44,479 --> 02:47:48,520
in relation to certain typo Forbears, I guess, like Promethean

3815
02:47:48,559 --> 02:47:50,920
giff really starts to get into the sort of crawling

3816
02:47:51,079 --> 02:47:53,760
doom of like more like well coming down or something

3817
02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:59,440
like that. She's drowning is like a brilliant impression of

3818
02:47:59,479 --> 02:48:02,680
a very picular kind of like typeo sixties pop song

3819
02:48:02,879 --> 02:48:05,520
like somewhere between Burnt Flowers Fallen and too Late Frozen,

3820
02:48:05,559 --> 02:48:07,879
that kind of particular like you know, yeah, fun kooky

3821
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:10,639
organ line thing. And I've got to say, like I

3822
02:48:10,639 --> 02:48:12,879
would like this album if it was just the typo

3823
02:48:12,959 --> 02:48:14,639
stuff with you know, a bit of Nate Garrett in

3824
02:48:14,639 --> 02:48:16,399
there as well, like a really pick out. But the

3825
02:48:16,479 --> 02:48:19,479
advanced track that I heard that actually maybe go oh shit,

3826
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:21,639
we got to review this is the one where he

3827
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:25,840
most obviously indulges another similar influence. We live in a

3828
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:28,159
world without type of negative. We also live in one

3829
02:48:28,200 --> 02:48:30,520
that hasn't had good Danzig music in quite a long time.

3830
02:48:30,799 --> 02:48:34,000
And they look like shadows kick like our fucking mule.

3831
02:48:34,440 --> 02:48:38,840
Speaker 2: That it's got a great oh, a great hay like

3832
02:48:40,200 --> 02:48:44,680
low just swim from the drums, the strutting in the riff. Again,

3833
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:48,239
I think like he is a super charismatic vocalist, like

3834
02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:50,120
even with Outcome Light in Dodge with that, but on

3835
02:48:50,159 --> 02:48:54,040
this song in particular, like he just nails it. I

3836
02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:58,440
think it's so just so like such a treat in

3837
02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:00,639
the middle of like what it is quite like somber

3838
02:49:00,680 --> 02:49:02,840
albums to just have this like one moment, like let's

3839
02:49:02,879 --> 02:49:03,479
just let's have a.

3840
02:49:03,799 --> 02:49:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I think there's something about Typo that has

3841
02:49:07,399 --> 02:49:12,120
a really ineffable quality that makes it very obvious when

3842
02:49:12,159 --> 02:49:15,120
someone is doing a cosplay of them. I suppose I've

3843
02:49:15,159 --> 02:49:16,680
got maybe a theory that part of it is how

3844
02:49:16,680 --> 02:49:19,479
it's like a lot of Typo is literally like synthesized

3845
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:21,479
and like down to the drums are like programmed and stuff,

3846
02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:23,280
but they have a weird way of like making that

3847
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:26,280
sound like organic and human and real, and for some

3848
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:29,680
reason it's hard for people to recapture that particular sensation

3849
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:31,760
without it sounding kind of clunkier and more mechanized. I

3850
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:33,840
think he certainly does a sterling job of it on this,

3851
02:49:34,479 --> 02:49:36,159
but I think in that sense I am sympathetic if

3852
02:49:36,159 --> 02:49:38,799
someone who is a big Typo fan doesn't quite go

3853
02:49:38,920 --> 02:49:40,719
with this, because they are one of the hardest bands

3854
02:49:40,760 --> 02:49:43,479
to recapture. But when he just switches into the dan

3855
02:49:43,559 --> 02:49:46,600
Zigriff on, they look like shadows. It's like I haven't

3856
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:48,639
listened to Snakes of Christ like once a week for

3857
02:49:48,680 --> 02:49:51,319
the past few years. To not think that song is

3858
02:49:51,319 --> 02:49:53,680
a that is a tune worthy of a strip club

3859
02:49:53,719 --> 02:49:58,840
sequence in verrotica.

3860
02:49:57,479 --> 02:50:00,159
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that is every bit of the kind of it's

3861
02:50:00,239 --> 02:50:02,719
like per tough rocker like.

3862
02:50:02,959 --> 02:50:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know six like proper songs, is just

3863
02:50:05,719 --> 02:50:08,520
a good taste of it. It's it's drab, it's gloomy,

3864
02:50:08,559 --> 02:50:11,200
it's also sweet and also in the tradition of type

3865
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:13,079
of negative, it's not too serious, and I think it's

3866
02:50:13,360 --> 02:50:15,000
it's knowing about what it is. Well, like, you know,

3867
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:17,200
this isn't Grete van Fleet saying that actually the Zeppelin

3868
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:20,000
aren't that big an influence on them, and any element

3869
02:50:20,040 --> 02:50:21,559
that might get a bit close, he can probably just

3870
02:50:21,639 --> 02:50:23,399
laugh off and claim some kind of sense of parody

3871
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:26,319
or something, you know. And again the in Promethean Gift,

3872
02:50:26,360 --> 02:50:28,840
the Best Melody, the big kind of fire and my

3873
02:50:28,879 --> 02:50:30,680
Soul will burn me down kind of part is where

3874
02:50:30,719 --> 02:50:32,600
it just sounds like Nate and the way that he

3875
02:50:32,680 --> 02:50:36,120
writes melodies. And I'm I'm geared to like the sound

3876
02:50:36,159 --> 02:50:38,479
of this like second nature, because it's operating within the

3877
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:40,600
realm of some of my favorite things. Ever, but the

3878
02:50:40,639 --> 02:50:42,159
more I've listened to this, the more I've actually connected

3879
02:50:42,200 --> 02:50:44,239
with the songs on their own terms and what of

3880
02:50:44,319 --> 02:50:47,680
himself Nate has really put into them. So I'll happily

3881
02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:49,479
take more of this, provided that we keep getting some

3882
02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:51,319
Spirit Adrift as well, which I'm sure we will.

3883
02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3884
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:52,719
Speaker 3: No, I think that's it is.

3885
02:50:52,719 --> 02:50:55,680
Speaker 2: I think his passion is even again, like there are

3886
02:50:55,680 --> 02:50:57,799
bits that maybe can be a bit shameless in the aping,

3887
02:50:58,159 --> 02:51:00,559
I think it's entirely of just his love that sound

3888
02:51:00,600 --> 02:51:03,120
and him wanting to just kind of like offer his

3889
02:51:03,239 --> 02:51:05,239
take on it. And again they still he still always

3890
02:51:05,239 --> 02:51:07,440
finds ways to like drop a big kind of like

3891
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:10,479
stone or rock riff in there, and then to make

3892
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:14,079
it never sound too shameless and like like it's just imitating.

3893
02:51:14,120 --> 02:51:16,799
There is enough of his own personality to give this

3894
02:51:17,360 --> 02:51:19,680
a flavor that makes it standards called like a worthy

3895
02:51:19,719 --> 02:51:22,760
addition to his catalog of art he's created. And Yeah,

3896
02:51:22,760 --> 02:51:24,399
if he wants to kind of like all state between

3897
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:26,520
Spirit Drift and this, I'm down for that kind of

3898
02:51:26,559 --> 02:51:28,120
like shifting light work.

3899
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3900
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:30,360
Speaker 1: And I also think if this becomes a type a

3901
02:51:30,360 --> 02:51:32,920
pipeline for you know, type of negative fans who've been

3902
02:51:32,959 --> 02:51:35,200
drawn to this album to then go and discover Spirit

3903
02:51:35,239 --> 02:51:37,120
of Drift who are like one of the best whim

3904
02:51:37,360 --> 02:51:39,159
you know of their kind of field, you know, of

3905
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:42,000
their generation. I think I welcome that. So the band

3906
02:51:42,079 --> 02:51:45,879
is called Neon Nightmare. As said earlier today, you know,

3907
02:51:45,920 --> 02:51:48,079
with the publishing of this episode, we are going to

3908
02:51:48,079 --> 02:51:50,479
be opening the poll for the That's Not Metal Listeners

3909
02:51:50,559 --> 02:51:53,159
Album of the Year. Again, if if you're listening to

3910
02:51:53,159 --> 02:51:54,879
this like the second it goes live or something, give

3911
02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:56,479
us a minute. It'll be up by like midday or something.

3912
02:51:56,520 --> 02:52:00,639
But the pole will be there on the master focus

3913
02:52:00,639 --> 02:52:03,239
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3914
02:52:03,319 --> 02:52:05,399
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3915
02:52:05,479 --> 02:52:08,079
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3916
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:10,600
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3917
02:52:10,719 --> 02:52:13,479
et cetera. Please again make sure to give these records

3918
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:15,959
a listen before if you've not, you know, before finalizing

3919
02:52:15,959 --> 02:52:18,200
your list, because there's some really great stuff here that

3920
02:52:18,280 --> 02:52:20,239
you shouldn't fly under the radar just because we reviewed

3921
02:52:20,280 --> 02:52:22,680
it at the end of November, and you do not

3922
02:52:22,920 --> 02:52:24,440
need to have your lists in by the end of

3923
02:52:24,520 --> 02:52:27,040
voting day one. You've got some time, so go and

3924
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:30,239
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3925
02:52:30,280 --> 02:52:34,559
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3926
02:52:34,600 --> 02:52:37,120
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3927
02:52:37,159 --> 02:52:39,120
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3928
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:41,799
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3929
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:44,959
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3930
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:46,280
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3931
02:52:46,280 --> 02:52:48,200
and find that at your disposal along with us, you know,

3932
02:52:48,200 --> 02:52:51,479
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3933
02:52:51,559 --> 02:52:53,440
that stuff that we've done over the course of twenty

3934
02:52:53,440 --> 02:52:57,440
twenty four. Next week will be the beginning of our

3935
02:52:58,079 --> 02:53:01,239
albums of the year, so I've got scurry over and

3936
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:03,000
start really putting the finishing touches on that.

3937
02:53:03,280 --> 02:53:05,959
Speaker 4: So thank you for listening everybody, Thank you for.

3938
02:53:05,959 --> 02:53:08,239
Speaker 1: Rejoining us if you are rejoining us, and we look

3939
02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:11,120
forward to rejoining us next week when all that gets underway.

3940
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:11,600
Speaker 4: Bye bye