Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen.
Speaker 2: What? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the occult rejects today.
Speaker 4: We've got a couple of rejects with me and we're
Speaker 4: going to be finishing up the CIA release of the
Speaker 4: analysis of the Gateway Process.
Speaker 2: This will be part three and I'm sure ending it
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna introduce the other people that we got
Speaker 4: on with us, Arose that rose up? What is going on?
Speaker 4: And thank you very much again for this idea of
Speaker 4: this topic.
Speaker 1: The last what's up? Nick? It's great to be here
Speaker 1: on this lovely Friday night. Yeah, you guys can check
Speaker 1: me out on YouTube, arrows up and Twitter at arrows
Speaker 1: to eat those happy to be here. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a fun ending, I think.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much and Ethan, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Sir Solute? Everybody? Great to be here. It was a
Speaker 5: really fun topic. I mean, we could spend another year
Speaker 5: going over there. I feel like so this is this
Speaker 5: has been really fun, is going to continue to be
Speaker 5: really fun. Ethan Indigo Smith easy to find online on
Speaker 5: all the social media, and I appreciate people reaching out
Speaker 5: and a few books and many articles out there and
Speaker 5: more to come. Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you and Judith please the Loon let everybody
Speaker 4: know what's up to.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me here today. This is a
Speaker 3: topic I'm very interested in. And you can find me
Speaker 3: on YouTube under the Loon and on x under them
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you very much. I'm glad you joined this.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Yeah and uh yeah, uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah last week or last week two weeks ago. I
Speaker 4: think we ended on twenty seven. I guess I'll pull
Speaker 4: it up to you know. I think we were sharing
Speaker 4: it on the screen last huh, yeah, we go. All right,
Speaker 4: you got twenty eight. I'll be totally honest with you,
Speaker 4: unless any of yours. Remember, I really don't remember what
Speaker 4: we spoked about in the last episode. So but uh,
Speaker 4: did we get until we got into the whole matrix
Speaker 4: thing already?
Speaker 2: Right? No? Oh? I think sure, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll just we'll just continue off. My bad. I put
Speaker 2: everybody on the spot. It was too long ago. All right,
Speaker 2: here we go, Uh I guess, uh oh wait, let
Speaker 2: me put on the screen too. There we go.
Speaker 4: Do you need it up on the screen? I was
Speaker 4: to read it or oh you're muted, so I can
Speaker 4: make it big of.
Speaker 1: I got it up on my screen to oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's great. Okay, So we're on section twenty eight the
Speaker 1: Gateway method. Having put the Gateway experience experience in context
Speaker 1: by postulating a structural outline of how and why it
Speaker 1: seems to work, and having shown what it is designed
Speaker 1: to achieve, the time has come to examine the specific
Speaker 1: techniques which comprise the Gateway training process. These techniques are
Speaker 1: designed to enable the user of the Gateway tapes to
Speaker 1: manipulate the high energy states which can be achieved if
Speaker 1: the user continues to work with the tapes over a
Speaker 1: period of time. The amount of time required to reach
Speaker 1: advance energy states and to fully exploit the tech niques
Speaker 1: varies with the individual. The sensitivity of his nervous system,
Speaker 1: his general state of mind, and the extent to which
Speaker 1: he may have previously developed facility and related techniques such
Speaker 1: as transcendental meditation are all pertinent factors affecting the speed
Speaker 1: at which he may expect to progress. The Gateway process
Speaker 1: begins by teaching the individual participant to isolate extraneous concerns
Speaker 1: in a visualization device called energy conversion box. Next, the
Speaker 1: participant is introduced to a method of encouraging his mind
Speaker 1: and body to strive to achieve a state of resonance
Speaker 1: through utterance of a single tone, a monotonous, protracted humming
Speaker 1: sound that sets up a feeling of vibration, particularly in
Speaker 1: the head. He engages in this resonant tuning, as it
Speaker 1: is called by humming, along with a chorus of such
Speaker 1: sounds that are contained on the Gateway tape. Following this,
Speaker 1: the participant is exposed to the Gateway affirmation and is
Speaker 1: encouraged to repeat it to himself as he hears it
Speaker 1: repeated on the tape. This affirmation is a statement to
Speaker 1: the effect that the individual realizes that he is more
Speaker 1: than merely a physical body, and that he deeply desires
Speaker 1: to expand his consciousness.
Speaker 2: Now, have any views ever used the tapes? No, we're
Speaker 2: just looking.
Speaker 1: On I haven't, but you had mentioned that you did
Speaker 1: what kind of humming.
Speaker 4: It definitely is a humming. And then I didn't remember
Speaker 4: a lot of like it sounds like like pink noise
Speaker 4: and white noise. A lot of that going on too,
Speaker 4: And there was things I did notice that isn't always
Speaker 4: in stereo either.
Speaker 1: Like oh like by neural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you'll have.
Speaker 4: Like different sounds, like you'll have one sound in this
Speaker 4: Yeah it's probably to HEMI sink. Maybe that was the
Speaker 4: Binur report, but yeah, you wouldn't have the same sounds.
Speaker 4: But I do remember a humming. It was almost like
Speaker 4: like kind of.
Speaker 2: Like electrical humming. So have to explain.
Speaker 4: And the conversion box, I remember that. I thought that
Speaker 4: was the longer down the road because I thought, if
Speaker 4: I remember at the beginning, you had like some type
Speaker 4: of box that you put like your fears into, so
Speaker 4: like supposedly like you didn't have to deal with that
Speaker 4: once you went out there some shit.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's like what my friend was telling me too,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because they do that same type of
Speaker 1: thing in therapy sometimes, like.
Speaker 2: I know, I've heard of.
Speaker 5: It reminds me as you just read, I haven't done
Speaker 5: the process, but I have dabbled in different meditation techniques,
Speaker 5: and one I learned actually was related to the humming bird.
Speaker 5: And you would actually try to like hum yourself and
Speaker 5: create a vibration inside your you know, brain glands and
Speaker 5: and meditate and so you literally were physically getting into
Speaker 5: your penial glands and propitary gland through this humming and vibration,
Speaker 5: and and that that whole problem. That's just that whole
Speaker 5: humming techniques just made me think.
Speaker 4: About you know what, I just reminded me of Judith
Speaker 4: vibrating the God voices, like the vibrations that you do
Speaker 4: in the rituals, you know what I'm saying, or like
Speaker 4: the own that we would do sometimes before like the
Speaker 4: Gnostic Mass or whatever, like after you got you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes they would do that, or you know, vibrating God
Speaker 4: names and doing the pentagram.
Speaker 3: Actually it's not in that, It's been done actually in
Speaker 3: uh when I practice Wicca. It was also done in
Speaker 3: that at that aspect too during meditation. And I was
Speaker 3: also going to bring up if you go to there's
Speaker 3: different forms of therapy, and it sounds a similar to
Speaker 3: somethings you sometimes when you go to a therapist that
Speaker 3: use biofeedback.
Speaker 2: M I've mentioned that, So I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of surprised because that means they probably got that
Speaker 3: technique from here.
Speaker 6: Using that to help people through therapy.
Speaker 5: There is also the there's a story about how this
Speaker 5: guy Monroe started his process or or realizing something was
Speaker 5: going on as he was having vibrations in his whole
Speaker 5: body and he even went to the doctor and there
Speaker 5: he was like, you know, it's just nerves. Don't worry,
Speaker 5: and very much like Kundolini, almost like or or Chie,
Speaker 5: you kind of get spontaneous movement, you get heat generating
Speaker 5: buzz if you will, would.
Speaker 3: You consider that the same as if you're doing a ritual,
Speaker 3: Like maybe this is me, but I'm sure if you're
Speaker 3: doing a ritual and you're you're you raised enough energy,
Speaker 3: there is that vibration that happens and it is like
Speaker 3: a humming in your ear that only you can hear. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming everybody goes through that that you hear, So
Speaker 3: maybe that's another thing that trying to emulate as well.
Speaker 4: Have you ever done rituals, Judith? Then you have to
Speaker 4: get done. You realize like, holy shit, I'm sweating. I mean,
Speaker 4: does just sound glamorous. But there's been many at times
Speaker 4: where I'm like holy fuck, like like where did that
Speaker 4: come from?
Speaker 3: Many away from there's a many times I walked away
Speaker 3: from rituals being so high it's not funny. I mean
Speaker 3: to the point where I have to drink salt water
Speaker 3: if I need to ground myself. So I'm thinking when
Speaker 3: you talk about when they when they say that, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking about. It's like maybe I'm misinterpreting. Is
Speaker 3: like the vibration is so high that you're feeling it
Speaker 3: that way, and that's how you're feeling.
Speaker 4: I've thought about that, like, you know, like they're talking
Speaker 4: about on here with like I guess this sounds being
Speaker 4: pushed on to you through the headphones. I you know,
Speaker 4: I think when I came across this, it made me
Speaker 4: wonder about like a lot of the vibrations of this.
Speaker 4: You know, Crowley thoroughly suggests you should be vibrating that
Speaker 4: into like exhaustion, you know, like they very much focus
Speaker 4: on vibrating certain sounds.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I even wonder if that's what, like, if that's why
Speaker 4: there's even the certain god names or whatever angel names
Speaker 4: that you're using. Is it just really that frequency you're
Speaker 4: supposed to be, you know, doing to yourself.
Speaker 2: You're resonating your whole body with that.
Speaker 3: If you think about it sounds as being is it
Speaker 3: is an activator If you have in trouble sleeping, what
Speaker 3: do they say, get a white noise? Machine to help
Speaker 3: relax you. So it kind of makes sense that they
Speaker 3: would just stuff.
Speaker 2: I wonder about you know who knows?
Speaker 4: I'll read next? Anybody has anything else? All right, let
Speaker 4: me pull it up on my hand.
Speaker 2: Hemi sync introduced.
Speaker 4: After that, he's exposed for the first time to the
Speaker 4: Hemi sync sound frequencies and is encouraged to focus on
Speaker 4: and develop a perception of an appreciation for those feelings
Speaker 4: which accompany the synchronization of brain waves that results. Next
Speaker 4: comes the technique of progressive and systematic physical relaxation, while
Speaker 4: the Hemi sink frequencies are expanded to include additional forms
Speaker 4: of pink and white noise designed to put the physical
Speaker 4: body at the virtual threshold of sleep as well as
Speaker 4: to threshold of sleep, as well as to calm the
Speaker 4: left hemisphere of the mind while raising the right hemisphere
Speaker 4: to a state of heightened attentiveness. Once all this is achieved,
Speaker 4: the participant is invited to envisage envision what a creation
Speaker 4: of an energy balloon.
Speaker 2: I remember that one comprise.
Speaker 4: Of an energy flow beginning at the center of the
Speaker 4: top of the head and extending down in old directions
Speaker 4: to the feet.
Speaker 2: Basically kind of put yourself like in a bubble.
Speaker 4: The energy involved in this flow then proceeds up through
Speaker 4: the body and.
Speaker 2: Back out of the balloon pattern again, the energy balloon.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: That even reminds me a little bit of the middle pillar,
Speaker 4: because like I think, if you do the visuals correctly,
Speaker 4: you do have like that you're making some sort of
Speaker 4: thing come out of you. Again, like that a little
Speaker 4: bit of the same style. The energy balloon, which sets
Speaker 4: up a pattern very reminiscent of the cosmic egg discussed earlier,
Speaker 4: not only enhances bodily energy flow and encourages early achievement
Speaker 4: of a suitable resonance state, but it also designed to
Speaker 4: provide protection against conscious entities possessing lower energy levels, which
Speaker 4: the participant might encounter in the event that he achieves
Speaker 4: an out of bodies out of body state. I find
Speaker 4: that interesting that they're like, I guess saying that, Does
Speaker 4: that mean that you're actually like admitting that you believe
Speaker 4: that there are things out there like that.
Speaker 5: Oh, non physical consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I feel like there are omitting that that exists.
Speaker 1: Then if does I mean I think you talk about
Speaker 1: it a couple times.
Speaker 5: Actually, there is a whole layer of this despite its
Speaker 5: you know, bureaucratic and observations. That is really interesting in
Speaker 5: this psychic phenomenon that is in Buddhism and cut you know,
Speaker 5: the Bible, all the New Testament, all these ideas where
Speaker 5: it has these non physical entities messing with you. And
Speaker 5: then you read something like that and this you know
Speaker 5: manual where they say the same.
Speaker 4: Thing, uh oh, just lessons It serves a precautionary purpose
Speaker 4: in the unlikely event that the participants first out of
Speaker 4: body experience involves direct projection outside the terrestrial sphere.
Speaker 2: That's interesting is.
Speaker 4: That tell you like there's different levels, like different depths
Speaker 4: of like leaving.
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever like expand on that.
Speaker 5: Actually, well, it reminds me of what Lunz just said
Speaker 5: about staying grounded. When you're grounded, I don't think you're
Speaker 5: easily as pushed or swayed by such things. And I
Speaker 5: mean you could take that any number aways being grounded.
Speaker 5: But sometimes I hear people say like, oh, the energy
Speaker 5: is off today, and it's almost like, what did you
Speaker 5: do yesterday? Did you stabilize yourself? Because you're probably feeling
Speaker 5: ungrounded today because of you know, maybe what you did
Speaker 5: or did not do yesterday. How I always think about
Speaker 5: anyway I wanted.
Speaker 1: To say too. Judith had mentioned drinking saltwater. That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I find in the winter it's like very hard for
Speaker 1: me to ground. I don't know whether it's because the
Speaker 1: ground is frozen or usually I rely on going outside
Speaker 1: in nature, and it's harder to do that in the winter.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to have to try drinking some salt water.
Speaker 2: I've done that.
Speaker 6: It was a method.
Speaker 3: You living in the city, there's not many places. There's
Speaker 3: not many how can I say, parks to ground yourself,
Speaker 3: so that that's a quick and easy way.
Speaker 6: But I would rather go to nature. Actually the ground.
Speaker 4: I've done the same thing. It was on the altar
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, its saltwater right here. That
Speaker 4: kind of makes sense. Uh, how we do this?
Speaker 2: Who's yeah?
Speaker 5: Pulled up on the screenflay, Oh, I got it here
Speaker 5: at number thirty right.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Having reached focus ten, the participant is now ready to
Speaker 5: endeavor to achieve a state of sufficiently expanded awareness to
Speaker 5: begin actually interacting with dimensions beyond those associated with his
Speaker 5: experience experience of physical reality. This state is called focus
Speaker 5: twelve and involves conscious efforts on his part while additional
Speaker 5: forms of pink and white noise enter the soundstream being
Speaker 5: directed into his ears from the Gateway tape. Once the
Speaker 5: participant has achieved this state of greatly expanded awareness, he
Speaker 5: is ready to begin employing a series of specific techniques
Speaker 5: or tools, as the Monroe Institute characterizes them, which enable
Speaker 5: him to manipulate his newly found expanded awareness to obtain practical,
Speaker 5: useful feedback of value for promoting self discovery and personal growth.
Speaker 5: The specific technique techniques involved are described individually below.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Interesting. What do you think about the pink and white nick?
Speaker 4: I did notice that myself when I use the tape. Uh,
Speaker 4: that was I think the difference in the tones, like
Speaker 4: you remember what I was saying, like even had different sounds.
Speaker 2: I think. I don't know if it was.
Speaker 4: I think it might have had pink and white noise
Speaker 4: in each year, but I did definitely notice the difference.
Speaker 2: I heard that they were in that.
Speaker 6: I do have a question.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with white noise, this is the first time
Speaker 3: I'm hearing about pink noise, so I don't know if
Speaker 3: you could describe it for me.
Speaker 6: What would you consider pink noise.
Speaker 4: I'll see if I can pull it up and play it,
Speaker 4: actually play it through YouTube.
Speaker 2: Right, why not?
Speaker 6: It's no longer Google anymore. It's no longer Google it anymore?
Speaker 6: Is YouTube it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yep? YouTube? Here we go. I got it.
Speaker 1: They're saying that Google sucks now. It's like Google's.
Speaker 5: Getting worse, horrendous for any search. It's awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like almost like a deeper
Speaker 2: white noise. Did you guys hear it?
Speaker 5: I can't hear it. No, no, I heard it.
Speaker 1: I heard it.
Speaker 5: I heard it first. Okay, hell that.
Speaker 1: I can smell that. I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember. Yes, you get that and that
Speaker 2: white noise for sure.
Speaker 4: And do you even have the guy talking to you too,
Speaker 4: telling you like it's almost like a guided meditation at
Speaker 4: some point at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that guy he had.
Speaker 4: I think I might have been mentioned like I had
Speaker 4: like a fuck ton of like broadcasting companies, which is
Speaker 4: really interesting.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 4: A guy who's making tapes and stuff like this also
Speaker 4: has the means of sending it out through the airwaves,
Speaker 4: like wow.
Speaker 1: Knows about hypnosis and stuff that's not sketch at all.
Speaker 5: It makes me think that he was just like so
Speaker 5: nerding out with different noises, and you know, just like
Speaker 5: came came upon it as he was just playing around
Speaker 5: with things.
Speaker 2: But there's something would you leave off? Uh?
Speaker 4: Because I took it off the screen problem? So alright,
Speaker 4: Joy picked that one up? Oh no, no, Judith, you
Speaker 4: want to go I want to read that one? Or okay,
Speaker 4: Johnny pulled up on the screen for you.
Speaker 6: Yes, if you can't play, yes.
Speaker 2: See I got you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, let me screw that one up subscreen his screen.
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, there we go.
Speaker 3: There is a problem solving, yes, okay. This technique involves
Speaker 3: in identifying fundamental problems which the individual wishes to be solved,
Speaker 3: filling his expanded awareness with his perception of these problems,
Speaker 3: and then projecting them out into the universe. In this way,
Speaker 3: the individual enlists the assistance of what Monroe Institute calls
Speaker 3: his higher self, in other words, his expanded consciousness, to
Speaker 3: interact with the universal hologram to obtain the information required
Speaker 3: to solve the problem. This approach may be used to
Speaker 3: solve personal difficulties, technical problems in the realm of psych
Speaker 3: of physics, mathematics, etc. Practical administrative problems and so on.
Speaker 3: Responses to the problem solving technique may be received almost immediately,
Speaker 3: but often they come based on developing institution intuition over
Speaker 3: the next two to three days frequency. Frequently, sorry, frequently,
Speaker 3: the response comes in the form of a sudden holistic perception,
Speaker 3: in which the individual suddenly finds that he simply knows
Speaker 3: the answer in all of its ramifications and complete completely
Speaker 3: in context, sometimes without even being able to put his
Speaker 3: newly found perception into words, at least initially. In some cases,
Speaker 3: the response may even arrive in the form of visual symbolism,
Speaker 3: visual symbols which the individual will see with his mind
Speaker 3: while he is in the focused twelve state, and which
Speaker 3: he will have to interpret after he returns to normal consciousness.
Speaker 5: Sorry, it sounds like some modern affirmations and manifestation techniques
Speaker 5: kind of thing, right, Like you put your idea out
Speaker 5: there and you make it happen in a case at first.
Speaker 1: Right, it makes me think of like the higher guardian
Speaker 1: angel or the daemon.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I even thought, uh, setting your intentions.
Speaker 4: I mean you're very much like kind of ritual right,
Speaker 4: like kind of like saying what you want to get
Speaker 4: out of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but they're suggesting that there's this inter mediary
Speaker 1: that will bring you the information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be very holy guardian angel for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's also those that like to do dream work too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually, anything like if you're kind of involving an angel,
Speaker 4: I feel like it could even be that to an extent,
Speaker 4: or trying to pass the message on to somebody who
Speaker 4: can deliver the message, you know, like even using to
Speaker 4: hoodie or get you know, Gabrielle, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: or even.
Speaker 2: Uh, you could use what was his fuck?
Speaker 4: I forgot his name, Hercules. Wasn't he known to be
Speaker 4: able to go between both worlds too? Or some shit?
Speaker 1: H carey Mercury, Yeah, Mercury, san Hecita technically.
Speaker 5: And Wodin or Odin.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if that's all kind of like the
Speaker 2: same thing. All right? Uh did you want to go?
Speaker 2: I guess, uh, yes, all right.
Speaker 1: Patterning this technique involves use of the consciousness to achieve
Speaker 1: desired objectives in the physical, emotional, or intellectual sphere. It
Speaker 1: involves concentration on the desired objective while in a focused
Speaker 1: twelve state, extension of the individual's perception of that objective
Speaker 1: into the whole expanded consciousness and its projection into the universe,
Speaker 1: with the intention that the desired objectivetive is already a
Speaker 1: matter of established achievement which is destined to be realized
Speaker 1: within the time frame specified. This particular methodology is based
Speaker 1: on the belief that the thought patterns generated by our
Speaker 1: consciousness in a state of expanded awareness create holograms which
Speaker 1: represent this situation we desire to bring about, and in
Speaker 1: so doing establish the basis for actual realization of that goal.
Speaker 1: Once the thought generated hologram of the sought after objective
Speaker 1: is established in the universe, it becomes an aspect of
Speaker 1: reality which interacts with the universal hologram to bring about
Speaker 1: the desired objective, which might not, under other circumstances ever occur.
Speaker 1: In other words, the technique of patterning recognizes the fact that,
Speaker 1: since consciousness is the source of all reality, our thoughts
Speaker 1: have the power to influence the development of reality in
Speaker 1: time space as it applies to us, if those thoughts
Speaker 1: can be projected with adequate intensity. However, the more complicated
Speaker 1: the objective sought and the more radically it departs from
Speaker 1: our current reality, the more time the universal hologram will
Speaker 1: need to reorient our reality sphere to accommodate our desires.
Speaker 1: Monroe trainers cautioned against attempting to force the pace of
Speaker 1: this process because the individual could succeed in dislocating his
Speaker 1: existing reality with drastic consequences. That's so crazy, I because
Speaker 1: I always think that too, because in my experience, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been able to manifest things, but it
Speaker 1: does it takes time for like I feel like it too,
Speaker 1: for it to come into being. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: almost like there are certain necessities. I really do think
Speaker 1: that you can negotiate with the universe to a certain level,
Speaker 1: but sometimes, like I think, it just depends on how
Speaker 1: far outside of alignment you are, because like, if you
Speaker 1: have to kind of work with your higher self, right,
Speaker 1: then it has to be something authentic to you. And
Speaker 1: so if like you're far further away from that authenticity,
Speaker 1: then it's going to take longer for the universe to
Speaker 1: kind of be able to reach you and meet up
Speaker 1: with you to kind of help you out there. I think,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's not just you in the universe,
Speaker 1: it's like all these other people trying to manifest their
Speaker 1: own things as well.
Speaker 2: We got somebody in the chat. I think there are
Speaker 2: I think they're on Ethan. I think they might be
Speaker 2: on your YouTube. Looks like leaf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, let's say it's not mine. They it looks
Speaker 4: like I think they might have had experience with this.
Speaker 4: They have like a lot of comments. I can see
Speaker 4: it on my end because I see every comment. If
Speaker 4: this person is interested in coming on and talking about
Speaker 4: your experience, so send me an email.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 4: You can look on a you call it reject's YouTube,
Speaker 4: and there's an email context.
Speaker 2: I just want to let them know so they could
Speaker 2: hear it. I can't. I can't comment on your YouTube
Speaker 2: from here, so we'll let them know.
Speaker 5: No, I didn't know. I can't see the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 5: dropping some very interesting ideas. I can't help but think
Speaker 5: about the idea of how you do one thing is
Speaker 5: how you do everything. Whenever I see the word pattern
Speaker 5: and people in a pattern or another and this, this idea,
Speaker 5: and really the whole document really makes me think about
Speaker 5: chi and this this one really has a warning about
Speaker 5: she overload might be a way that some practitioners might
Speaker 5: term it right, like don't don't go too far without
Speaker 5: setting yourself grounded or you're gonna lose uh, you know,
Speaker 5: however they termed it, you know, lose connection with this
Speaker 5: reality too much, and uh or you know, uh be
Speaker 5: ungrounded and or you know, even physically sickened and and
Speaker 5: Chi in its most basic sense is compressed air. That's
Speaker 5: the exoteric uh definition of chi. The esoteric definition is
Speaker 5: infused with mind. Instead of infusing the body with compressed air,
Speaker 5: we infuse the body with mind and even beyond that,
Speaker 5: which this whole gateway instruction and technique suggests too. The
Speaker 5: Tao or the taching and different Dallas teachings always talk
Speaker 5: about how them and Buddhists too, but the mind is everywhere,
Speaker 5: and so these this psychic phenomenon in this in this
Speaker 5: teaching is it's like very psychic Dallas.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know what what seemed a little bit off the
Speaker 5: wall now is like, oh yeah, they were just on
Speaker 5: you know, the higher level of mind.
Speaker 1: How did they know?
Speaker 5: How did they know? What?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Just like all of these ancient teachings.
Speaker 5: Right right, yeah, yeah, right, No, it's it's it's really
Speaker 5: it's so corresponds that it's like they're just saying the
Speaker 5: same thing in a different term in different terminology.
Speaker 4: The next one we got, uh, before we get into it,
Speaker 4: color breathing. Did you ever do stuff like that? You
Speaker 4: just like meditation with like color breathing and stuff.
Speaker 3: Actually, I have to say no. Actually I saw that title.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm very interested and I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done stuff like that or did you ever do? It?
Speaker 4: Was something that I've heard like, uh suggested multiple times
Speaker 4: from different people, like breathing in the white and like
Speaker 4: exhaling black. You never even heard like that suggestion for like, I.
Speaker 6: Don't, yes, but.
Speaker 3: I never I actually, to tell you the truth, until
Speaker 3: you said that, I never put the two together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because if you're doing the mill, if you're doing the
Speaker 3: middle pillar, or even when you're doing chakra alignment alignments,
Speaker 3: you're you're you're you're you're looking at the colors as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually done this one. It seems to just
Speaker 1: be kind of to like, uh, get any like uh
Speaker 1: nasty vibration or whatever out of you, so you're kind
Speaker 1: of like at a nice even energy state. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do, like, uh, I do think for myself breath
Speaker 4: work and visualizations. That was something I did a lot.
Speaker 4: I was very much into it and I don't know.
Speaker 4: I do think I might have helped with my experience. No,
Speaker 4: right here we go, uh colib breathing. The next technique
Speaker 4: is called color breathing and is designed to use the
Speaker 4: expanded awareness and highly focused at inventiveness associated with the
Speaker 4: focused twelve state to imagine various colors in a particulars
Speaker 4: particularly intense and vivid manner, so as to use them
Speaker 4: to resonate with and in turn to activate the body's
Speaker 4: own energies. Fundamentally, in terms of practical application, it is
Speaker 4: a healing technique which is designed to restore the body
Speaker 4: and to enhance its physical capabilities by balancing, revitalizing, and
Speaker 4: returning bodily energy flows. It is uh pre predicted predictated,
Speaker 4: I don't know on the principles that the bodies electromagnetic
Speaker 4: field is capable of altering its resonance pattern so as
Speaker 4: to entrain energy from the Earth's electrostatic field for its
Speaker 4: own use. That's interesting because I feel like that is
Speaker 4: a theory on like a like a lot of pyramids
Speaker 4: and monoliths, not mon the pyramids and like like you know,
Speaker 4: architecture like that. They do question if it is tapping
Speaker 4: into the grounds electromagnetic field on the various colors. I
Speaker 4: don't know how to say that, and the imagination as
Speaker 4: part of the technique Q that que the mind as
Speaker 4: to which frequencies and what specific amplitudes are desired in
Speaker 4: connection with the entrainment and the subsequent alterations and bodily
Speaker 4: energy flow patterns. The color has the capacity to affect
Speaker 4: the human mind is well known, and the effectuality of
Speaker 4: color and certain kinds of healing is a demonstratible, demonstrable fact.
Speaker 4: For example, application of an intense blue light to an
Speaker 4: area of physical two messence leads to relatively rapid and
Speaker 4: easily observable reduction in the swelling, while red and to
Speaker 4: a lesser extent, yellow have quite the opposite effect.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 4: People are interested in stuff like that with colors. The
Speaker 4: color series I have, there was some interesting stuff about
Speaker 4: like how colors can affect people and stuff. However, in
Speaker 4: the hemi sync application of the technique, external light sources
Speaker 4: are not involved, but rather the mind is the sole
Speaker 4: agent of the healing and revitalization.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's a powerful last sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, Like she don't need the color. You
Speaker 2: just got to be able to vision it. Yourself. It
Speaker 2: will still work you like you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 5: It's all mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I find that pull section very interesting because it talks
Speaker 3: about the electromagnetic field around you as a human being,
Speaker 3: and I never thought about applying colors to it when
Speaker 3: I did my research.
Speaker 6: And actually the research I was doing.
Speaker 3: Didn't have that element in there, which I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to re visit that research again to see how that
Speaker 3: how it may affect what they have already put out
Speaker 3: there prior to this.
Speaker 5: Oh shure, it's super interesting. Yeah, yeah, go to the
Speaker 5: next one.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that would be this one.
Speaker 5: Actually would treat me when I was just scanning over it.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 5: Magic wands and enchanted scepters have been part of the
Speaker 5: folklore and occult practices of many cultures. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is amazing. The sceptors, staffs, and maces carried by monarchs
Speaker 5: and high priests alike occur with such frequency in the
Speaker 5: history of bygone eras as to suggest that at the
Speaker 5: very least these items are aspects of some type of
Speaker 5: archetypal symbol which the um mind seems to appreciate, perhaps
Speaker 5: quite subliminally. In any case, the energy bar tool technique
Speaker 5: involves envisaging a small, intensely pulsating dot of light, which
Speaker 5: the participant puts. Participant charges in his imagination with enormous
Speaker 5: energy until it is virtually pulsating. The participant then extrudes
Speaker 5: the dot into the shape of a sparkling, vibrating cylinder
Speaker 5: of energy, which he then uses to channel force from
Speaker 5: the universe to selected parts of his body for purposes
Speaker 5: of healing and revitalization. Interesting.
Speaker 4: That reminds me so much of like like even just
Speaker 4: charging stuff magically, Like uh, I don't like you're gonna
Speaker 4: sit there and charge a talisman or if you're charging
Speaker 4: the sigil or would and you know, like charging your
Speaker 4: wand like if you're like if you know, if you
Speaker 4: just made a new wand you want to consecrate it
Speaker 4: and do all that stuff, it's like the same ship.
Speaker 5: And and uh, you know it. It reminds me of
Speaker 5: the pillars. It reminds me of the staff of you
Speaker 5: know both or taoodie and and everywhere you look they're
Speaker 5: carrying a stick, you know or something. It's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, uh I guess yeah, you think you
Speaker 2: could eat.
Speaker 6: Remote viewing.
Speaker 3: In addition, the energy bar tool is used as a
Speaker 3: portal for initiating a follow on technique called remote viewing.
Speaker 3: In this context, the participant turns his bar of energy
Speaker 3: into a whirling vortex through which he sends his imagination
Speaker 3: in search of new and illuminating insights. The apparent purpose
Speaker 3: of the symbolism involved in the vortex seems to be
Speaker 3: seems to be cue toque the subconscious and convey to
Speaker 3: its instructions as to what the participant wishes to do.
Speaker 3: But in terms of nonverbal symbols which the right hemisphere
Speaker 3: of the mind is capable of understanding, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm off, but to me, this sounds a little
Speaker 3: bit like astral projection, just not with the remote viewing part.
Speaker 3: The remote view point part is to me is more focused.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like if you practice astral projection, this
Speaker 3: part would be very easy for you, if you're someone
Speaker 3: who does it on the regular.
Speaker 5: My opinion, and I know I'm stuck on taichi as always,
Speaker 5: but if you practice with a stick, and there's an
Speaker 5: expression every taichi, good tai chi practitioner should have a stick.
Speaker 5: And there is the point of the stick which was
Speaker 5: mentioned in the energy bar process but it is also,
Speaker 5: of course a stick. It's a line, and then this
Speaker 5: process just mentioned spinning it. When you start spinning your stick,
Speaker 5: it's turned into then a three dimensional and even a
Speaker 5: four dimensional space that you take over, not four dimensional rather,
Speaker 5: but a two dimensional and then three dimensional space that
Speaker 5: you are, you know, swinging the stick around. So they're
Speaker 5: like taking this basic, horrible martial stick idea and making
Speaker 5: it into this psychic technique.
Speaker 1: The idea of just like projecting your imagination out is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy because then like what is the implications
Speaker 1: there on what imagination is.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 4: All those really really remind me of just like practices
Speaker 4: in magic and ceremonent magic and meditations anyway. I mean,
Speaker 4: even if you're doing a spell, I mean I've heard
Speaker 4: it suggested to like literally try to envision like it happening,
Speaker 4: but what you actually want to happen, Like close your
Speaker 4: eyes and try to like make that vision happen or
Speaker 4: that scene or a movie.
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard that.
Speaker 4: So it's like kind of like you're really trying to
Speaker 4: project like your own your own imagination to come true.
Speaker 1: You would think creatives would probably be like especially good
Speaker 1: at magic is it my my, uh all right? Living
Speaker 1: body map. This technique provides amplification for application of the
Speaker 1: energy bar tool as a means of healing specific areas
Speaker 1: or systems of the human body. The configuration of the
Speaker 1: participant's body is imagined, and then the various major systems
Speaker 1: such as the nervous and circulatory systems, are in visaged
Speaker 1: in appropriate colors within the confines of the outline being
Speaker 1: held in the imagination. The energy bar tool is then
Speaker 1: applied to energizing, balancing, and healing in whatever manner the
Speaker 1: participant desires. In the process, the participant visualizes various streams
Speaker 1: of colored energy flowing out of the tool into the
Speaker 1: organ system or area upon which the revitalizing or healing
Speaker 1: application is being made. Since colors are the result of
Speaker 1: differing wavelengths of light, which is to say, energy at
Speaker 1: various frequencies, this technique operates on the assumption that as
Speaker 1: the human human body is composed of energy, it can
Speaker 1: be vitalized and healed through the additive application of additional energy,
Speaker 1: provided that the energy is applied in the appropriate form like.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they had ideas of.
Speaker 4: Like is there certain colors that are better for certain things,
Speaker 4: and that's being left out, and it's like it's just
Speaker 4: not being mentioned, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Sorry, So go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I just mostly going to say that reminds me of
Speaker 5: so many different like healing, visualization, or meditation practices.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I have heard like overall it's always like, uh,
Speaker 4: oh god, what a what color is? Oh fuck, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to remember this. It's not purple, but very close
Speaker 4: to it. Uh yeah, there's a crystal that's very much
Speaker 4: the same color.
Speaker 2: Fuck, I can't remember, but you vision this huh amethyst?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, whatever color you consider amathyst like, yeah, like
Speaker 4: that throughout your body and that supposedly is like a
Speaker 4: healing color, like a stronger one. But I'm just wondering, like,
Speaker 4: is there other ones be better for different parts of
Speaker 4: the body? Yeah, in healing, Yeah, definitely, Like I wonder
Speaker 4: if they know it's just not in the paperwork.
Speaker 5: Definitely point to that type of idea with the chakra
Speaker 5: and chakra system in having correspondence with colors, and different
Speaker 5: colors can affect different systems for sure.
Speaker 4: All right, Focus fifteen, Oh shit, travel into the past.
Speaker 4: Who all of the preceding techniques are conducted at the
Speaker 4: level of expanded awareness known as Focus twelve. However, the
Speaker 4: technique of the time travel into the past involves further
Speaker 4: expansion of consciousness through the inclusion of additional levels of
Speaker 4: sound on the HEMI sync tape. Some of the sound
Speaker 4: is probably merely an intensification of the basic HEMI sink frequencies,
Speaker 4: being designed to further modify brainwave frequency and amplitude. Other
Speaker 4: aspects of the added sound patterns appear to be designed
Speaker 4: to provide subtle, almost subliminal suggestions to the mind as
Speaker 4: to what is desired by way of further expanding consciousness,
Speaker 4: so as to support the verbal suggestions and instructions.
Speaker 2: Also contained on the tape.
Speaker 4: Even the instructions are highly symbolic, with time being visualized
Speaker 4: as a huge wheel in the universe with various spokes,
Speaker 4: each of which give access to.
Speaker 2: A different part of the participant's past. That's cool.
Speaker 4: Focus fifteen is a very advanced state and is extremely
Speaker 4: difficult to achieve. Probably less than five percent of all
Speaker 4: participants in any given Gateway experience actually fully achieve the
Speaker 4: Focus fifteen state. During the course of the approximately seven
Speaker 4: days of training, Nonetheless, Monroe Institute trainers affirmed that with
Speaker 4: enough practice, eventually Focus fifteen can be achieved. They also
Speaker 4: state that not only the individual's past history is available
Speaker 4: for examination by one who has achieved Focus fifteen, but
Speaker 4: other aspects of the past with which the individual himself
Speaker 4: has had no connection may also be accessed. That's some
Speaker 4: pretty uh, some pretty well shit. I didn't even have
Speaker 4: it up on the screen. Oops.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 5: Just going beyond time and space, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in places that you weren't even like associated with.
Speaker 4: I mean at that point, it's like time travel, but
Speaker 4: just in the past. It doesn't even matter if you're there.
Speaker 1: A huge wheel though, Why a wheel?
Speaker 4: It made me think of like the wheel of the
Speaker 4: wheels that's on the harrow cook the Sometimes they have
Speaker 4: like spokes coming out. It depends on the artists obviously,
Speaker 4: but deck.
Speaker 1: Right, the wheel continues to turn. But it's just weird,
Speaker 1: just weird wheel because I just think of time as linear.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, well, it's place circular here linear, yeah,
Speaker 2: not in the constraints of this reality. I guess.
Speaker 5: The Aboriginal idea of time. In Australia, they talk about
Speaker 5: it being a circle and a spiral, and so sometimes
Speaker 5: might connect to another time really closely they as they
Speaker 5: envision it. It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe it looks lineer, but all time,
Speaker 1: you know, it happens at once technically, so it all
Speaker 1: connects back to the beginning anyway, So I guess it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It makes me think too, the only thing restricting our
Speaker 5: consciousness is our consciousness, like if you can, if you
Speaker 5: can be trained to see information of the past, and
Speaker 5: it looks like the next one in the future is
Speaker 5: just like you know, I think underlines the point where
Speaker 5: really are only inhibited by ourselves more than anything.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 4: I can't believe they're even saying that within a week,
Speaker 4: five percent of the people who try this in that
Speaker 4: situation even get that fall. Like I figured it was
Speaker 4: gonna be like after a six months, after a week
Speaker 4: like this, like I was like, fuck, I wish I
Speaker 4: had these tapes though, like we'll look for them again,
Speaker 4: like fuck, Like damn, that's me.
Speaker 5: I mean, they must do programs all the time. It
Speaker 5: sounds like because it's a five or six day thing. Now,
Speaker 5: maybe it's a seven day thing too, I don't know,
Speaker 5: but they're still they're still doing this, Like you could
Speaker 5: go and immerse yourself. It's probably pricey, but.
Speaker 1: I bet it's on Spotify.
Speaker 2: You know what. I think it is. Actually sure, I
Speaker 2: think you're right.
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, you know what the problem is, though, I
Speaker 4: have noticed differences and variations, and I have seen people
Speaker 4: say that there is bullshit ones out there, which is like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, I cannot believe somebody spent the time to
Speaker 4: make like wrong ones right.
Speaker 5: And what are they what are they trying to tap
Speaker 5: into and say in the unconscious message subconscious message?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's good to know, like be careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I yeah, some people are.
Speaker 4: I've known some people who were wary about trying it
Speaker 4: and having because they're afraid that they're not going to
Speaker 4: get the authentic one and they're not about to pay
Speaker 4: for it because I think it's like fucking hundreds.
Speaker 2: Of dollars or some shit. Yeah, it's not something cheap
Speaker 2: to do. Uh, alright, I guess right.
Speaker 5: H yeah, luckily I get the short one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Focus Focus twenty one the Future, the last and the
Speaker 5: most advanced of all the Focused states associated with the
Speaker 5: Gateway Training program, involves movement outside of the boundaries of
Speaker 5: time space as in Focus fifteen, but with attention to
Speaker 5: discovering the future rather than the past. The individual who
Speaker 5: has achieved this state has reached a truly advanced level.
Speaker 5: Except in unusual circumstances, it is probably not attainable except
Speaker 5: by those who have conditioned themselves through long application of meditation,
Speaker 5: or by those who have practiced long and hard through
Speaker 5: the use of the HEMI sync tapes for a period
Speaker 5: of months, if not years. Well, that's interesting that the
Speaker 5: past is more secure. I guess the end can be
Speaker 5: seen easier somehow, right, I think.
Speaker 3: Also when it comes to the future, depending on how
Speaker 3: far you go, it's a sit in weight situation.
Speaker 6: Because you don't know, you know, whether they're accurate or
Speaker 6: not till it occurs, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you would imagine that the future is not, uh,
Speaker 1: not really.
Speaker 2: Set, like yeah, right.
Speaker 4: If you can go on the past, yeah right, if
Speaker 4: you can affect the past, how could the future ever
Speaker 4: be set? If there's people who are affecting the past
Speaker 4: and changing the future. That's why that's where we got
Speaker 4: Mandela effects.
Speaker 2: That's what I heard people know, dude, have you ever
Speaker 2: seen those things? I heard of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Those Mandela, like where things are like missing, like the
Speaker 4: way Berenstein Bears was spelled, or like the cornucopia with.
Speaker 5: Berenstein Bears is the one that mean because I had
Speaker 5: I remember not only it being Berenstein or Stein or whatever,
Speaker 5: but I remember even talking about it, like with my
Speaker 5: an and uncles are like, how do you say this?
Speaker 5: How I was this? Because the ei the I E
Speaker 5: however it was spelled, was a thing. It was like,
Speaker 5: how do I pronounce this as a kid, And now
Speaker 5: they're saying, no, it's always been staying s t A
Speaker 5: I N right.
Speaker 7: But.
Speaker 6: I think that makes sense. I think what got me
Speaker 6: was the food of the Looms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: That that one gets me because I was like, I
Speaker 3: remember seeing that copa in that and then they're like, no,
Speaker 3: it never was.
Speaker 6: I was like, I know it was there.
Speaker 5: I can remember having a conversation about what is what
Speaker 5: is this? Oh, that's a cornucopia. Cornucopia I never heard
Speaker 5: of that. Yeah, well that's that's what they call it. No.
Speaker 5: I I definitely definitely remember not only seeing it but
Speaker 5: talking about it.
Speaker 3: But most people attribute that the Mendela effect to timelines
Speaker 3: crossing and different Oh I can't even remember the terminology
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Basically, basically timelines, I would say, crossing over and we're
Speaker 3: going through in and out of timelines and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: alternate universes. There we go, alternate universes. So I'm glad.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, sorry, No, I'm saying I'm glad Ethan that
Speaker 3: you remembered it because everyone else I talked to like, no, it.
Speaker 6: Was never there. I'm like, I know it was there.
Speaker 6: I'm not going crazy, Oh that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And Tara in the comments just said the
Speaker 5: same thing that she remembers talking about it, not only
Speaker 5: seeing it, but talking about it. Right, So it's like
Speaker 5: these conversations wouldn't have even had it wouldn't have even occurred.
Speaker 5: I remember getting made fun of too, Like before the Internet,
Speaker 5: I had somehow came across the idea that Nelson Mandela died,
Speaker 5: like like way before the Internet, and like people were like, no,
Speaker 5: he's not dead. Look it's not that. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: whoa weird? Why did I think that? And then this
Speaker 5: started coming about and I'm like, oh, wow, weird, this
Speaker 5: that's strange.
Speaker 2: That is weird when you think.
Speaker 6: It's it's odd, right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: It's almost bothersome right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like what the fuck could have it gotten
Speaker 4: changed in the past to remove the corner kopia? Like
Speaker 4: like what, like why is that the only thing that changed?
Speaker 4: Like like did you knock out the guy who got
Speaker 4: the original deal for the art and you sold them
Speaker 4: the fucking idea without the corner coopia?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, Like what kind of
Speaker 2: stupid little change?
Speaker 5: It's it's so weird. But and you guys are in
Speaker 5: New York. What about the Ed McMahon thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, I'm sorry man, I remember that ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yo, come on going board a door watching him
Speaker 5: on TV Ed McMahon brought the readers whatever it was called,
Speaker 5: like at the time, like that was like every other
Speaker 5: commercial series it was on.
Speaker 3: And it was a big event during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I do believe it was a Super Bowl. Was when
Speaker 3: he awarded that.
Speaker 5: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, imagine this is a super Bowl.
Speaker 5: But I remember it was commercials And now they're saying
Speaker 5: that never happened, Like wait, what though.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't believe that.
Speaker 5: That just does my head in that one, that one,
Speaker 5: Like again, you remember talking about it, not only seeing it,
Speaker 5: but like joking about what cook he was.
Speaker 4: Basically, I can't imagine making that up in my own
Speaker 4: mind for some reason as a child, Like for what
Speaker 4: reason when I even construct that around with a gigantic
Speaker 4: card of the gigantic check card. That's not my imagination.
Speaker 3: I think enough of us that no matter how much
Speaker 3: they deny it, that did happen.
Speaker 5: Now that does my head on?
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, Judie, is you ready for the ready paragraph?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir?
Speaker 6: Sorry, that nice big paragraph for me. Okay.
Speaker 3: The out of body movement, this remarkable phenomenon has been
Speaker 3: seen for discussion in detail until last because of the
Speaker 3: interest which it occasions and special circumstances involved in its attainment.
Speaker 3: Monroe Institute stresses that the Gateway program was not established
Speaker 3: solely for the purpose of enabling participants to obtain the
Speaker 3: out of body state, nor does the program guarantee that
Speaker 3: the participants will succeed in doing it. During the course
Speaker 3: of the training at the Institute, only one tape out
Speaker 3: of the many which make up the Gateway experience is
Speaker 3: devoted to the techniques involved in the out of body movement. Basically,
Speaker 3: these techniques were merely designed to make it easier for
Speaker 3: the individual to achieve the out of body state when
Speaker 3: his brainwave pattern and personal energy levels have reached a
Speaker 3: point that he is in apparent harmony with his surrounding
Speaker 3: electromagnetic environment, such that he feels that he has reached
Speaker 3: the threshold where separation is a possibility to facilitate achieving
Speaker 3: the out of body state. Bob Monroe, the founder of
Speaker 3: Monroe Institute, is quoted in a recent magazine article as
Speaker 3: saying that in order to assist the participant, the particular
Speaker 3: Hemasinc tape concerned with the technique employs employees beta says
Speaker 3: of around twenty eight seventy seven dot three cps cycles
Speaker 3: per second. Since thirty to forty cps is considered to
Speaker 3: be the normal range for the for beta brainwave signals
Speaker 3: those associated with the wakeful state, it is apparent that
Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute is convinced that the same heightened state
Speaker 3: of brainwave frequency output, which promotes alternate states of consciousness,
Speaker 3: is also an important consideration in assisting and achievement of
Speaker 3: out of body states. The actual technique employed for separating
Speaker 3: from the body involved such as such simple maneuvers as
Speaker 3: rolling out, lifting out after the fashion of a phone poll,
Speaker 3: wherein the individual separates in a rigid head first manner,
Speaker 3: such that he finds himself standing at attention at the.
Speaker 6: Hold on, let me get there, so I could scroll
Speaker 6: down oh yes, sorry, at the foot of his.
Speaker 3: Physical body and sliding out either through either end of
Speaker 3: his body. I find this, other than it being a disclaimer,
Speaker 3: I find this whole part interesting and it makes me think,
Speaker 3: because we were talking about the Mendela effect, could you
Speaker 3: could you imagine how many people if they if you
Speaker 3: had like thousands, millions of people doing this at the
Speaker 3: same time, what it would How would it affect our
Speaker 3: timeline because basically he well, the way I'm reading it,
Speaker 3: they could basically change.
Speaker 6: Time and events.
Speaker 4: I think if you're even like so fucking with this ship,
Speaker 4: I think you're actually in some way kind of like
Speaker 4: manipulating time and space anyway.
Speaker 3: So if you have millions of people messing it, we
Speaker 3: will have stuff like the fruit or loom situation and
Speaker 3: the Ed McMahon situation happening. If people's like, I didn't
Speaker 3: want that to happen. Not to sound cliche, it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. If you're into supernatural, watch the show supernatural. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the angel Gabrielle went back in time and saved the
Speaker 3: Titanic and everything else like that. If you had so
Speaker 3: many people, not just him, Like, if people could reach
Speaker 3: this ability and they start saying, ah, we could go
Speaker 3: back and do this, you'll have a bunch of Mendela effects.
Speaker 6: This is my opinion.
Speaker 1: I would do it on purpose, just to troll people.
Speaker 2: That's great. It up on the screen.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, that's we're on thirty two here, okay, roll
Speaker 1: of rum sleep. It is interesting to note that Bob
Speaker 1: Monroe informed the Gateway class that finished seventh May seventh,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three that an ex trainer of his operating
Speaker 1: in Charlotteville, Virginia, found that he could guarantee out of
Speaker 1: body movements by bringing participants down into a rapid eye
Speaker 1: movement REM state of sleep and then use the Hemi
Speaker 1: sink tape technique. This may well be a function of
Speaker 1: the fact that most, if not all people repute reputedly
Speaker 1: go into and out of body state during REM sleep.
Speaker 1: REM sleep is the deepest possible level of ordinary sleep
Speaker 1: and involves complete disengageage of the body's motor cortex functions
Speaker 1: from the neck down. And nearly complete suppression of consciousness
Speaker 1: in the left brain hemisphere. The effect of this is
Speaker 1: to put the body in a state of complete stillness
Speaker 1: so far as the skeletal muscle structure is concerned, thereby
Speaker 1: oh eit Yes, thereby further promoting the state of deep
Speaker 1: rest needed to eliminate the bifurcation echo. In addition, it
Speaker 1: leaves the right hemisphere of the brain free to respond
Speaker 1: to the instructions and suggestions contained on the gateway tape. However,
Speaker 1: use of the hem sinc tapes at this point may
Speaker 1: be less a factor in actually achieving the out of
Speaker 1: body state than it is a matter of focusing the
Speaker 1: brain enough so that a residual memory of having naturally
Speaker 1: achieved and out of body is carried into the waking state. Indeed,
Speaker 1: it may even be postulated that some dreams associated with
Speaker 1: deep levels of sleep are in fact functions of the
Speaker 1: same kind of altered consciousness involved in interaction with the
Speaker 1: universe that plays a role in all of the focus twelve, fifteen,
Speaker 1: and twenty one states described above. The difference between those
Speaker 1: states and the condition of the mind in rem sleep
Speaker 1: seems to be that the left hemisphere is almost totally
Speaker 1: disengaged in the latter experience, such that memory of what
Speaker 1: was achieved in the altered states of consciousness cannot usually
Speaker 1: be retrieved by conscious desire because the left hemisphere has
Speaker 1: no knowledge of its existence or its location in the
Speaker 1: right hemisphere. Admittedly, some people can be trained to remember
Speaker 1: their state dreams through intense condition in the waking state,
Speaker 1: but even that may be more a function of establishing
Speaker 1: pathways and the right hemisphere which the left hemisphere can
Speaker 1: access following re entry into the wakeful state than it
Speaker 1: is in the indication of any specific left hemisphere conscious
Speaker 1: involvement in the process during rem sleep. In any event,
Speaker 1: the three apparent conditions required for voluntary voluntarily inducing an
Speaker 1: out of body state, and most of the individuals seems
Speaker 1: to be one achievement of a state of profound quiet
Speaker 1: in the body such that the bifurcation echo fades and
Speaker 1: resonance at approximately seven hurtz is established, or two synchronization
Speaker 1: of the two brain hemisphere wave patterns, and three subsequent
Speaker 1: stimulation of the right hemisphere of the mind to attain
Speaker 1: a state of heightened alertness, which of course enter fears
Speaker 1: with brain hemisphere synchronization, but not until a sufficient level
Speaker 1: of enhanced frequency range has first been established to help
Speaker 1: achieve the out of body state.
Speaker 2: That was a whole lot. Yeah, yeah, I do think
Speaker 2: it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Sorry, the reuptor just like real quick, how they how
Speaker 4: they even say that the only point of doing that
Speaker 4: now is so you remember the experience.
Speaker 2: That was really interesting, that there's.
Speaker 4: Something that you've got to be giving a certain state
Speaker 4: to even have the memory of it.
Speaker 1: M Are they like, is that insinuating that we might
Speaker 1: do it and we just don't even know?
Speaker 2: Is that what we're doing? We're dreaming?
Speaker 5: It also makes me think of the symbolism behind well,
Speaker 5: there's many different stories of people going to sleep and
Speaker 5: dreaming and having a prophetic thing, but specifically Rip van
Speaker 5: Winkle he imagined himself one hundred years into the future
Speaker 5: almost rather than slept one hundred years kind of thing
Speaker 5: with the whole psychic element to it as a symbolic interpretation.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, I'll.
Speaker 4: Continue thirty three. Awesome information collection potential. The information acquisition
Speaker 4: potential associated with the out of body state seems to
Speaker 4: attract the most attention from the standpoint of developing practical
Speaker 4: applications for the gateway technique. Unfortunately, although the out of
Speaker 4: body state can apparently be achieved by many people without
Speaker 4: excessive expenditure of time or effort, the purposes to which
Speaker 4: it can be put are currently limited by the fact
Speaker 4: that although individuals in that state may travel anywhere on
Speaker 4: an instantaneous basis, in either the terrestrial or in other spaces,
Speaker 4: information distortion in the former context remains a major concern
Speaker 4: to date. According to one of the trainers at Monroe Institute,
Speaker 4: numerous experiments have been conducted involving persons moving from one
Speaker 4: coast to the other in the out of body state
Speaker 4: to read a series of ten computer generated numbers in
Speaker 4: a university laboratory. Although most have acquired enough of the
Speaker 4: digits to make clear that their consciousness was present, none
Speaker 4: have ever succeeded in getting all ten correct. This seems
Speaker 4: to be a function of the fact that physical reality
Speaker 4: in the present is not the only holographic influence which
Speaker 4: the individual may encounter in an out of body state.
Speaker 4: There are also energy patterns left by people or events
Speaker 4: occurring at the same physical site being viewed, but from
Speaker 4: the past rather than the present. In addition, since thoughts
Speaker 4: are the product of energy, patterns and energy patterns are reality.
Speaker 4: It may also be possible that individuals encounter thought forms
Speaker 4: while in and out of body state, which mingle with
Speaker 4: physical reality and are not easily differentiated. Finally, as Melissa
Speaker 4: Jagger writes, there is another potential problem area in the
Speaker 4: sense that holograms can be viewed pseudoscopically that's correct, that
Speaker 4: is to say, inside out or backwards, just as well
Speaker 4: as they can be seen in proper perspective. Some of
Speaker 4: the distortions occurring may ultimately prove to be traceable to
Speaker 4: this cause, because in the out of body state, an
Speaker 4: individual may preserve perceive the holographic energy patterns given off
Speaker 4: by people or things interacting in time space reality in
Speaker 4: a somewhat distorted form.
Speaker 1: You like it how he said, uh, terrestrial or in
Speaker 1: other spheres like no, they're not gonna give that to
Speaker 1: us at all. But also just like, uh, it kind
Speaker 1: of really paints a picture of like what that looks
Speaker 1: like hand like uh, actually being out of body and
Speaker 1: like almost like all of time happening at once, and
Speaker 1: like you know, you could run into thought forms like
Speaker 1: it's kind of it sounds like confusing to navigate a bit.
Speaker 4: I think as wild that they're even just saying that,
Speaker 4: like you may not know the difference between like a
Speaker 4: thought form and I guess, like an entity, I guess
Speaker 4: in a sense like that's well, or you could sense
Speaker 4: like you don't know, I guess, so could that be
Speaker 4: like an eggregor?
Speaker 2: Almost? Maybe?
Speaker 5: All right, And just the removal of the limitations of
Speaker 5: time space is just fascinating all throughout this all right, Okay,
Speaker 5: should we go thirty four? Okay? Oops, sorry, Belief system considerations.
Speaker 5: In nineteen sixty seven, Alexandra David Neil and Lama Youngden
Speaker 5: wrote a book entitled Secret Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhist Sects,
Speaker 5: in which the following quote is taken. The tangible world
Speaker 5: is movement, say the masters. Not a collection of moving objects,
Speaker 5: but movement itself. There are no objects in movement. It
Speaker 5: is the movement which constitutes the objects which appear to us.
Speaker 5: They are nothing but movement. This movement is a continued
Speaker 5: and infinitely rapid succession of flashes of energy. In Tibetan
Speaker 5: saul or sugar, all objects perceptible to our senses, all
Speaker 5: phenomena of whatever kind and whatever aspect they may assume
Speaker 5: are constituted by a rapid succession of instantaneous events. Arros.
Speaker 5: You kind of touched on that how time is all
Speaker 5: at once. That reminds me sentence. The classic description of
Speaker 5: the universal hologram is to be found in a Hindu sutra,
Speaker 5: which says, in the heaven of Indra, there is said
Speaker 5: to be a network of pearls so arranged that if
Speaker 5: you look at one, you see all the others reflected in.
Speaker 1: It ideal forms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's beautiful. I have cited this quotation because it
Speaker 5: shows that the concept of the universe, which at least
Speaker 5: some physicists are now coming to accept, is identical in
Speaker 5: its essential aspects with one known to the learned delete
Speaker 5: in selected civilizations and cultures of high attainment in the
Speaker 5: ancient world. The concept of the cosmic egg, for example,
Speaker 5: is well known to scholars familiar with the ancient writings
Speaker 5: of the Eastern religions. Nor are the theories presented in
Speaker 5: this paper at variance with the essential tenets of the
Speaker 5: Judeo Christian stream of thought. The concept of visible reality,
Speaker 5: i e. The created world as being an emanation uh
Speaker 5: of the omnipotent and omni omniscient divinity who is completely
Speaker 5: unknowable in his primary state of being. The Absolute at
Speaker 5: rest in infinity is a concept straight out of Hebrew
Speaker 5: mystical philosophy. Even the Christian concept of the Trinity shines
Speaker 5: through the description of the Absolute as presented in this paper.
Speaker 5: The description of energy totally at rest in infinity fits
Speaker 5: the Christian metaphysical concept of the Father, while the infinite
Speaker 5: self consciousness resident in that energy proved the motive force
Speaker 5: of will to bring a portion of that energy into
Speaker 5: motion to create reality, corresponds with the Sun. This is
Speaker 5: because in order to attain self consciousness, the consciousness of
Speaker 5: the absolute must project a hologram of itself and then
Speaker 5: perceive it. The hologram is a mirror image of the
Speaker 5: absolute in infinity, still exists outside time and space, but
Speaker 5: is one step removed from the absolute, and is the
Speaker 5: actual agent of all creation, all reality, and the eternal
Speaker 5: thought or concept of self, which results from this self
Speaker 5: consciousness serves. Okay, okay, So here's the end of page
Speaker 5: twenty four, and the next page is the page twenty five.
Speaker 2: I got you, I got the other page maybe sent
Speaker 2: to me, gonna pull it up.
Speaker 5: And we got and we got the missing page here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy that it was gone, but it's great
Speaker 1: that you guys have found it.
Speaker 5: It was gone for many years after the initial release
Speaker 5: of the main document, and there was a big uproar,
Speaker 5: and I think finally it was the Monroe Institute, not
Speaker 5: the CIA, that quote unquote found it.
Speaker 1: So ope it was there. Then it's gone.
Speaker 2: I got it. I was doing it this way so
Speaker 2: I could up blow it up.
Speaker 1: Oh gotcha. But the absolute, I mean, do we give
Speaker 1: do we give Abrahamic religion that credit? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because the platini.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, right right, No.
Speaker 4: Even when he said that, the first thing, well for me,
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't think kind of like Kether, but
Speaker 4: absolute like that really doesn't make me think of like
Speaker 4: platitis or yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Well, and it made me think how connected these philosophies
Speaker 5: were along the Silk Road, so to speak. Right, that
Speaker 5: Buddhism intertwined with Judeo Christianity.
Speaker 7: And you know, Gnosticism and so forth and back and
Speaker 7: forth the other way too, probably in ways that we
Speaker 7: are more remarkable than we're able to determine, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolute or the universal truths.
Speaker 2: Right even before when I was talking about like being
Speaker 2: kind of the first I guess, like separation from like whatever,
Speaker 2: the Absolute, and kind of like I guess having an
Speaker 2: idea of self. To me, I thought it was very much.
Speaker 4: Chokola thought it was pretty much explaining that from the
Speaker 4: cabalistic trade. I mean, even the experience is coming face
Speaker 4: to face with God. So I mean I could even
Speaker 4: see like, you know, like looking at one self.
Speaker 2: To the extent.
Speaker 5: So oh, we're gonna know. Sorry, We're gonna oh.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I wasn't sorry.
Speaker 5: So I'll start from the last sentence on the on
Speaker 5: page twenty four. And the eternal thought or concept of self,
Speaker 5: which results from this self consciousness, serves the Absolute as
Speaker 5: the model around which the evolution of time space results
Speaker 5: revolves to ultimately attain a reflection of and union with Him.
Speaker 5: That thought model, which perfectly reflects the essence or spirit
Speaker 5: of the Absolute, fits the Christian metaphysical description of the
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit. Finally, our description of the universal Hologram. The
Speaker 5: trus of creation and evolution is neither new nor original.
Speaker 5: Its use as the figure of the universe of creation
Speaker 5: developing in evolution is found in various stylized representations in
Speaker 5: virtually every religious system of antiquity, whether of Eastern or
Speaker 5: Western deriviation derivation, whether its stylized labyrinth once popular in
Speaker 5: the Hellenic world, the spiralized version of the Hebrew Tree
Speaker 5: of Life or its Hindu counterpart, or the Chinese spiral
Speaker 5: through the fourfold power, the ultimate meaning is the same.
Speaker 5: Mystics the world over, it seems, have perceived the universal
Speaker 5: Hologram in the same spiral form and have incorporated that
Speaker 5: intuitive knowledge in their religious writings from antiquity to the present.
Speaker 5: I mean, if there was gonna be a page that
Speaker 5: goes missing, right, that's just as like the bomb right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I do find it's funny how like
Speaker 2: they do. They do kind of in a few ways.
Speaker 4: They've kind of attributed other ideas to like Christianity, Like again,
Speaker 4: things that we were even saying that sound a little
Speaker 4: bit like maybe like neo Platonic they're suggesting as also Christianity.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean technically you get it from Plati.
Speaker 4: But I'm actually working on stuff for that what to
Speaker 4: do with show on showing how Christianity. I would you
Speaker 4: would like to even maybe get other people from show
Speaker 4: to do it too. I do want to try to
Speaker 4: show the I guess like platonism, neoplatonism, and maybe other
Speaker 4: kind of occult ideas that are actually accepted into Christianity.
Speaker 2: There's fun some of them.
Speaker 5: Gnosis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not so much like oh, like you know,
Speaker 2: point the finger.
Speaker 4: It's just like, I don't know, like you realize you
Speaker 4: guys really aren't much different than us, Like maybe we
Speaker 4: should chill the fuck out they stop saying dumb ship
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, you.
Speaker 5: Know, well, it's almost two if you get real symbolic
Speaker 5: with it. The whole New Testament is a sacrifice, right
Speaker 5: of what the ancients were supposedly doing. Literally, it's God
Speaker 5: sending his kid to be sacrificed. It's like wait, what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that called an o law or an
Speaker 1: olah offering?
Speaker 5: Yeah, various, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 5: know they're all doing various forms of it.
Speaker 4: It's funny how you get a lot of those those
Speaker 4: podcasts that always like, oh, that was a sacrifice. That
Speaker 4: was a sacrifice his motherfucking sacrifice of their own kid.
Speaker 4: His motherfucking sacrifice their own kid to becoming famous.
Speaker 2: Well, what the fuck could happened with you? If he
Speaker 2: didn't get sacrificed, you wouldn't be famous either. What the
Speaker 2: fuck man.
Speaker 1: The sacrificial stuff? Sorry, Ethan, no, no, please please. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's kind of interesting because I
Speaker 1: feel like you don't like for I don't know, at
Speaker 1: least some like uh Plato and like the Neoplatonists specifically,
Speaker 1: like I know, Porphyry had a whole like chunk of
Speaker 1: a book kind of criticizing uh sacrificial practices, you know,
Speaker 1: like they they absolutely didn't think that it was necessary. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's like interesting. It's like, uh, I mean, how
Speaker 1: common really was this practice outside of like the Canaanites
Speaker 1: and this uh, these Abrahamic religions, and like the the
Speaker 1: purpose of it, right is like for forgiving your sins?
Speaker 1: You know, it's very like I guess uh Anti no
Speaker 1: no mean and like uh Anti order in a way,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just a fascinating thing that
Speaker 1: seems like it could be kind of secluded to just
Speaker 1: Abrahamic religions, and it's like, you know, what is the purpose?
Speaker 1: I've heard you know some people say, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like it could be a I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5: Well on one thing. I mean, they're worried. There could
Speaker 5: have been a lot of different things going on with
Speaker 5: the realism or symbolism, but one thing for sure is
Speaker 5: the infant or young person mortality rate even up until
Speaker 5: like the late eighteen hundreds later than that was so
Speaker 5: much higher. So maybe it's almost like a psychological trick,
Speaker 5: like yeah, you kids were dying left and right. It
Speaker 5: was really difficult to get a kid past youth, and
Speaker 5: so they would have that idea even though they didn't
Speaker 5: even actually, you know, do it themselves, but it was
Speaker 5: the idea was, you know, the symbolism might have been
Speaker 5: behind the you know, high mortality anyway of a way
Speaker 5: as a way of coping.
Speaker 1: All I know is Jesus died so I can do
Speaker 1: whatever I want. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, all right. Uh, next is where we were so.
Speaker 5: It brings were right on the the second or whatever
Speaker 5: the part of page twenty five there. It's beautiful that
Speaker 5: he brings it all together, right. The essence of all
Speaker 5: these religious teachings were were similar in the spiral or
Speaker 5: in their descriptions. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Who reads next. I forgot what we I forgot? I forgot?
Speaker 3: Sorry it looks like a big one, so deep breath
Speaker 3: left brain limitations. Twelfth century physics would seem to be
Speaker 3: be visiting insights belonging to mankind as far back as
Speaker 3: written records can take us. The only difference is the
Speaker 3: twentieth century physics is used as using a left brain
Speaker 3: linear quantitative style of reasoning to approach the same knowledge
Speaker 3: which the mystics of Old apparently acquired. Old apparently acquired
Speaker 3: in a holistic, intuitional right brain style. As a tool
Speaker 3: in the hands of our left brain culture, gateway would
Speaker 3: seem to be a promising method for achieving the intuitive,
Speaker 3: holistic type of interface with the universal hologram. Hologram needed
Speaker 3: to provide the context that thinkers like Einstein have sought
Speaker 3: in their labors to discover a unified field theory in physics.
Speaker 3: For persons in our profession whose concerns revolve around strategic issues,
Speaker 3: tactical questions, and matters of managerial form and system access
Speaker 3: to a new world of intuitive perception and self reflection
Speaker 3: which seem to offer, in a long term, the means
Speaker 3: by which to know in a truly objective way. This
Speaker 3: is so because the self imposed limitations to balance perception
Speaker 3: and objective logic, which are cultural and personal psychological subjectivity
Speaker 3: imposes when we use the strictly left brain thinkings. Style
Speaker 3: could be offset by the holistic form of perception perception
Speaker 3: associated with alternate states of consciousness to the extent that
Speaker 3: we come to perceive ourselves fully in the context of
Speaker 3: the portion of the universe universal hologram, which is the
Speaker 3: reflection of ourselves. To that extent, we release ourselves from
Speaker 3: the from the prison of I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I can't see subjectivity.
Speaker 6: I get okay, yeah, subjectivity, there we go.
Speaker 2: Yep, Sorry, I.
Speaker 3: Question the alternative. I think the alternative perception. I understand
Speaker 3: this is talking about you know, actual projector remote viewing,
Speaker 3: but is he considering other substances that could be used
Speaker 3: to reach that, because this is similar to sometimes when
Speaker 3: I hear people talk about using something like d M
Speaker 3: T or something or in awasha, it sounds like it's
Speaker 3: similar to this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely think so, especially he would say holistic.
Speaker 1: Hic.
Speaker 5: There's stories about I'm forgetting his name right now, but
Speaker 5: he is kind of a famous hippie.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to help you think.
Speaker 5: Of his name, and he travels back to India to
Speaker 5: meet several gurus there and he brings a bunch of
Speaker 5: L S D right, and I know maybe yeah, I
Speaker 5: think so, yeah, right yeah. The author and lecture I
Speaker 5: think it was Timothy Learry. Sorry I'm so bad with names,
Speaker 5: but he related and other people have related this story
Speaker 5: in that time period too, But he relates this story.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's true that he goes there
Speaker 5: and he's, you know, getting high off a kite and
Speaker 5: high as a kite and hanging out with all these
Speaker 5: really deep thinkers and so on, and he brings this
Speaker 5: drug box and he at one point he meets this
Speaker 5: guru like and the guy's like, what's in the box.
Speaker 5: He's like, I want some. He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: there's nothing in there. You don't want it, No, I'm not.
Speaker 5: Watch let's let's talk to them together. You're you're so
Speaker 5: obsessed with And he takes like the hugest dose of LSK,
Speaker 5: like something that would take out an elephant, and he
Speaker 5: describes it and and has no effect. And so it
Speaker 5: just reminds me of all these meditation all through states
Speaker 5: that Judith just right about that it has this you know,
Speaker 5: psychedelic or drug induced aspect, but also just reminds me
Speaker 5: of how meditation states might be as as close or
Speaker 5: holding holding on to your energy in a different way,
Speaker 5: you know, like these gurus like you're just you're already there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Terence McKenna too. It's another person that makes me
Speaker 1: think of And there's so many people that push this
Speaker 1: idea of like psychedelics as you know, quite a helpful aid.
Speaker 1: I have never I would, but I just feel like
Speaker 1: people dismiss it. But I don't know. I mean, listen
Speaker 1: to Terrence McKenna listened to these people and then say
Speaker 1: that Adam.
Speaker 2: I do think like.
Speaker 4: Ether was saying, from even experiences I had, I do
Speaker 4: think you get you can get pretty close to the
Speaker 4: shit I think naturally through meditation.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, as.
Speaker 1: I think it's me yes self knowledge. It was axiomatic
Speaker 1: to the mystic philosophers of old that the first step
Speaker 1: in personal maturity could be expressed in the aphorism know thyself.
Speaker 1: To them, the education of a man undertook as its
Speaker 1: primary step achievement of an introverted focus, so that he
Speaker 1: learned what was within himself before attempting to approach the
Speaker 1: outside world. They rightly assumed that he could not effectively
Speaker 1: evaluate and co with the world until he fully understood
Speaker 1: his personal psychological balance. The insights being provided by twentieth
Speaker 1: century psychology in this context through the use of various
Speaker 1: kinds of personality testing, seem to be a revalidation of
Speaker 1: this ancient intuition. But no personality tests or a series
Speaker 1: of tests will ever replace the depth and fullness of
Speaker 1: the perception of self, which can be achieved when the
Speaker 1: mind alters its state of consciousness sufficiently to perceive the
Speaker 1: very hologram of itself which it has projected into the
Speaker 1: universe in its proper context as part of the universal hologram,
Speaker 1: in a totally holistic and intuitional way. This would seem
Speaker 1: to be one of the real promises of the Gateway
Speaker 1: experience from the standpoint of its ability to provide a
Speaker 1: portal through which, based on months, if not years, of practice,
Speaker 1: then individual may pass in his search to find self,
Speaker 1: personal effectuality, and the truth. In the larger sense. That
Speaker 1: is crazy. I want to see myself mirrored back to me.
Speaker 1: That would save me so much time.
Speaker 8: Hinting, that is so much very weird stuff.
Speaker 4: You think this should work? You think they should you think, uh,
Speaker 4: like people get to this point. I guess all right
Speaker 4: if the guys including it or is uh sorry?
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, that's the whole goal,
Speaker 3: isn't it that that that's the ultimate goal is to
Speaker 3: be self aware, to know thyself into to progress in
Speaker 3: that manner. That's why most people meditate, they go on
Speaker 3: the because this is like a dedicated even.
Speaker 6: If you do it spiritually, even if you follow.
Speaker 3: This documentation, the ultimate goal is to know yourself, is
Speaker 3: to unite with your HDA.
Speaker 2: You think it should almost be like knowing your will.
Speaker 6: If you know yourself.
Speaker 9: I was going to say something like that that meditation
Speaker 9: it often is about, or at least part of it,
Speaker 9: shedding all the BS constructs.
Speaker 5: That are not our true will or true self, right,
Speaker 5: so we can a more better approach our our what
Speaker 5: should be our true calling type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, what I find fascinating is this is twenty nine pages, right,
Speaker 3: so this is a whole whole. I don't want to
Speaker 3: say convoluted, but I can't find a better word for it.
Speaker 3: Of getting to this point. But if you find a
Speaker 3: five year old who was their imagination hasn't been restricted,
Speaker 3: this is they could do this like that. It's not
Speaker 3: even a second thought. It's something that comes natural to them.
Speaker 3: So what you said, Ethan about stripping is stripping the
Speaker 3: stuff that comes on to us as we get older as.
Speaker 6: Adults, because people who achieve that.
Speaker 3: And I do believe people can achieve that, and we
Speaker 3: may or may not know that when we meet them.
Speaker 3: The first description that most people have for them is
Speaker 3: they have a childlike nature. It's easy for them to
Speaker 3: achieve this what he said people most of the participants
Speaker 3: couldn't achieve in a week. A kid could probably achieve
Speaker 3: in an hour if they sit still.
Speaker 1: It makes me think too of like Platinis, he's always
Speaker 1: talking about stripping what's alien to you. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know what's true to you and you see it, you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to see it.
Speaker 2: I feel like, Yo, did they actually use that word
Speaker 2: too write alien?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They do they yep. Alien. He says it so
Speaker 1: so many.
Speaker 4: Times, and it's just like, yo, I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: weird seeing it being used back then.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, that's true, all right, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's yes, here we go. Then after that we
Speaker 4: got the conclusion, don't motivational aspect It is a step
Speaker 4: by step procedure which involves repetitive practice of the techniques concerned,
Speaker 4: using each new insight as he means of penetrating Father
Speaker 4: during the next practice session. But the rate of progress
Speaker 4: is so much faster with the Gateway approach that it
Speaker 4: is with transcendental meditation or other forms of mental self discipline,
Speaker 4: and its horizons seemed to be so much wider that
Speaker 4: the discipline needed to practice it would seem to be
Speaker 4: within the means of even the impatient, result orientated, skeptical
Speaker 4: pragmaticists of our society. That's like I had said too,
Speaker 4: there were certain I feel like visuals or even physical
Speaker 4: feelings that came on a lot quicker during a meditation
Speaker 4: using these tapes. Unlike yoga and other forms of Eastern
Speaker 4: mental discipline, Gateway does not require the infinite patience and
Speaker 4: total personal subservance to end faith in a system of
Speaker 4: discipline designed to absorb all the individual's energies over most
Speaker 4: of a lifetime. Rather, it will begin to produce at
Speaker 4: least minimal results within a relatively short time, such that
Speaker 4: enough feedback is available to motivate and energize the individual
Speaker 4: to continue working with it.
Speaker 2: That sup pause.
Speaker 4: Indeed, the speed with which an individual may expect to
Speaker 4: progress seems less a function of the number of hours
Speaker 4: spent practicing than it is a question of the speed
Speaker 4: with which he or she is able to use the
Speaker 4: insights gained to release anxieties and stresses within both.
Speaker 2: The mind and body.
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that this says that, right, these
Speaker 4: points of energy blockages seem to provide the principal barriers
Speaker 4: to achieving the enhanced energy states and focus of mind
Speaker 4: needed for rapid progression. The more compulsive, the more uptight
Speaker 4: the individual may be at the outset, the more barriers
Speaker 4: he or she will initially encounter to achieving a deep
Speaker 4: or immediate experience. But as the insights begin to come
Speaker 4: and the blockages begin to dissolve, the way ahead becomes
Speaker 4: increasingly clear, and the value of gateway moves from the
Speaker 4: status of of intellectual assessment to one of personal experience.
Speaker 2: Deep stuff. Right there.
Speaker 3: This actually supports what Ethan just said about the stripping away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, the release of mind body tension or where
Speaker 5: it was. But yeah, no.
Speaker 2: I thought it was actually very interesting how I.
Speaker 4: Did say, like, like sometimes I really do think like
Speaker 4: that's all it is, is that that that stupid bullshit
Speaker 4: that like is stuck at your head, like clearing that out,
Speaker 4: or really, do you think is a huge difference with
Speaker 4: having a magical experience.
Speaker 5: I had a point of skepticism there, just because it said, oh,
Speaker 5: it takes so long with yoga and Eastern arts, and
Speaker 5: we do it so immediately and quickly. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: it's I don't know, you could kind of do all
Speaker 5: this at home too, right, And you know what, there's
Speaker 5: there's the I mean, it's an Eastern expression, but there's
Speaker 5: the idea, the quote you should meditate twenty minutes a day.
Speaker 5: If you do not have time to meditate twenty minutes,
Speaker 5: you should meditate one hour. And it's your If your
Speaker 5: mind is so busy, right that you can't keep track
Speaker 5: of things enough to meditate twenty minutes, then you need
Speaker 5: an hour of it. But I just I'm just I
Speaker 5: just mean. My point of skepticism is that I think
Speaker 5: a lot of these things are actually accessible in other practices,
Speaker 5: not necessarily as faster as systematic ethan.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, right, if you don't want I can help
Speaker 4: you finish it or whatever.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: Because this is like this has got I'll think of
Speaker 2: page and a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well we'll all mix it up. I'll read
Speaker 5: a bit here. Conclusion, there is sound. There is a
Speaker 5: sound and rational basis in terms of physical science. Parameters
Speaker 5: for considering gateway to be plausible in terms of its
Speaker 5: essential objectives, Intuitional insights of not only personal but of
Speaker 5: the of a practical and professional nature would seem to
Speaker 5: be within bounds of reasonable expectations. However, a phased approach
Speaker 5: for entering the Gateway experience in an accelerated mode would
Speaker 5: seem to be required if the time needed to reach
Speaker 5: the advanced states of altered consciousness is to be brought
Speaker 5: within more manageable limits. From the standpoint of establishing organizationwide
Speaker 5: exploitation of Gateways potential, the most promising approach suggested in
Speaker 5: the foregoing study involves the following steps. A begin by
Speaker 5: using the Gateway hem Hemisinc. Tapes to achieve enhanced brain
Speaker 5: focus and to induce hemisphere synchronization. B. Then add strong
Speaker 5: rim sleep frequencies to induced left brain quescessence and deep
Speaker 5: physical relaxation. C provide hypnotic suggestion designed to enable an
Speaker 5: individual to induce deep auto hypnotic state at will you
Speaker 5: want to someone else want to continue the d.
Speaker 2: I'll go. Use auto hypnotic suggestion to attain much enhanced
Speaker 2: focus of concentration and motivation and rapidly progressing through focuses
Speaker 2: through focus twelve exercises. Then repeat steps.
Speaker 1: A and B.
Speaker 4: Following use of the auto hypnotic suggestion that an out
Speaker 4: of body movement.
Speaker 2: Will occur and be remembered. Repeat step E to achieve facility.
Speaker 4: In gaining out of body state under conscious control, and
Speaker 4: then alterra hypnotic suggestion to stress ability to consciously control
Speaker 4: out of body movement and maintain it even after rem
Speaker 4: sleep state ends.
Speaker 2: G approach Focus fifteen.
Speaker 4: To twenty one objectives escape from the time space and
Speaker 4: interact with new dimensions from the out of body perspective. Oh, Judith,
Speaker 4: you want to go, I'll let you go. It realized
Speaker 4: that kind of like cut you wolf too.
Speaker 6: Sorry, let me do that r H.
Speaker 3: Use multi focused approach to solve problem of distortion in
Speaker 3: terrestrial information gathering trips. This approach involves the use of
Speaker 3: three individuals in the out of body state, one viewing
Speaker 3: the target object to here in space time in time
Speaker 3: space sorry, one viewing it at focus fifteen as it
Speaker 3: slips into the immediate path, and one viewing it at
Speaker 3: focus twenty one as it slips from the immediate future.
Speaker 3: Debrief all three and compare data gathered from the three
Speaker 3: points of view. If care is taken to ensure that
Speaker 3: the three all go out of body together in the
Speaker 3: same environment, their consciousness energy systems should resonate the sympathetic oscillation.
Speaker 3: They can tune into this same target on different planes
Speaker 3: dimensions with greater effectiveness. I encourage pursuit of full self
Speaker 3: knowledge by all individuals involved in the foregoing experiments, to
Speaker 3: enhance objectivity in out of body of observation and thinking,
Speaker 3: and to remove personal energy blockages likely to retard rapid progress.
Speaker 6: Did I say that right? Retard?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, Jay, be intellectually prepared to react to possible encounters
Speaker 3: with intelligent non corporal energies forms when time space boundaries
Speaker 3: are exceeded.
Speaker 6: K arranged to have.
Speaker 3: Groups of people in focused twelve state unite their altered
Speaker 3: consciousness to build holographic patterns around sensitive areas to repulse
Speaker 3: possible unwanted out of body presence and l encourage more
Speaker 3: encourage more advanced Gateway participant participants to build holographic patterns
Speaker 3: of successful attainment and rapid progress for advanced colleagues, and
Speaker 3: assists to assist them in progressing through the Gateway system.
Speaker 3: If these experiments are carried through, it is to be
Speaker 3: hoped that we will truly find a gateway to Gateway
Speaker 3: and to the realm of practical application for the whole
Speaker 3: system of techniques which comprise it.
Speaker 6: It sounds like a ritual to me.
Speaker 2: No, it does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in it that
Speaker 4: I was saying earlier that just even reminds me of
Speaker 4: stuff techniques of virtual magic.
Speaker 5: Let me pull this thing down. Has a little summary
Speaker 5: there that kind of brings it up at the end.
Speaker 1: I feel like they went further even in that summary
Speaker 1: than everything that's described in the paper, like having like
Speaker 1: a group of practitioners like kind.
Speaker 2: Of like working together.
Speaker 1: Don't know whether you would say banish or whatever, like
Speaker 1: these intelligences that might come along basically Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I read that right. I think so, like
Speaker 1: that's not talked about in here. Some of that definitely
Speaker 1: isn't talked about in this paper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was even when I talked about what I'm
Speaker 4: viewing it from the future, going into the future and
Speaker 4: going into the past, and then it is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was yeah. I was like, oh, what's that. It's
Speaker 2: that earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that are arranged to have groups of people unite
Speaker 1: their altered consciousness to build holographic patterns to repulse possible
Speaker 1: unwanted presences.
Speaker 5: Like I've always been taught whenever I was at a
Speaker 5: meditation practice with other people that the meditation energies, if
Speaker 5: you will, are much more powerful when people are together.
Speaker 5: And the one teacher particularly would always quote up a
Speaker 5: biblical work verse about when you know, I think Jesus
Speaker 5: says at one point, when two people are together, I'm
Speaker 5: there type of thing, you know, Like I forgot exactly
Speaker 5: the quote forgive me, but it's you know, it does
Speaker 5: get more powerful and sometimes things do take time, right,
Speaker 5: But like like meditation effect, I feel like it's comparable
Speaker 5: to the uh runners high like you you will get
Speaker 5: effects it takes a minute. I feel like this this
Speaker 5: my skepticism of the whole thing. It's like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: just kind of like selling like a quick, quick way
Speaker 5: to do it type of thing. It does take time,
Speaker 5: even if it may be twenty minutes to get the
Speaker 5: runners high type of kick.
Speaker 2: There's been people that I've known that were into the
Speaker 2: occult kind of and ended up getting into running or whatever.
Speaker 2: We're already into running, and then got.
Speaker 4: Into the occult and meditating, and they had even said that, uh, well,
Speaker 4: for one, they didn't have breakthroughs until they was almost
Speaker 4: like they put their body into this meditative state where
Speaker 4: they can go father It's almost like they just like
Speaker 4: they I've even had some people say to me, they
Speaker 4: don't even realize the legs.
Speaker 2: Are going anymore, almost, but you are.
Speaker 4: But like someone that I've had, I think I even
Speaker 4: had the person on the show a few years ago
Speaker 4: where they talked about how like even just their experience
Speaker 4: like like where their mind would go sometimes as they're
Speaker 4: running from like going into a meditative state or like
Speaker 4: some wild hick.
Speaker 3: The funny thing that you would compare it to running,
Speaker 3: because one of the things in running, when I used
Speaker 3: to run track when I was in high school, once
Speaker 3: you got your breathing down, that's when you fell into
Speaker 3: that state. So it's funny that that you can make
Speaker 3: that comparison, because when you're meditating, the first thing you
Speaker 3: start thinking the first thing you focus on before you
Speaker 3: start going anywhere else is your breathing. You have to
Speaker 3: get that under control, which is control it self.
Speaker 4: And I remember even with certain breathing techniques, I'm sure
Speaker 4: probably even Ethan's even heard of this stuff even everse
Speaker 4: I think there was even one time some dude I
Speaker 4: came to the lodge, I don't know if you were there,
Speaker 4: and he was going on about like some type of
Speaker 4: like breathing technique that he was trying that like kind
Speaker 4: of almost gave you someth like like almost like all
Speaker 4: the worldly like experience. But I have heard of like
Speaker 4: certain breathing techniques just breathwork can actually catch you fucking
Speaker 4: a little loopie.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of energy and cool you down even too.
Speaker 5: American Citizen X dropped the quote that I was looking
Speaker 5: for for where two or three are gathered together in
Speaker 5: my name, there I am in the midst of them
Speaker 5: math eighteen twenty. Pretty cool quote when when considered in
Speaker 5: the form of like energy and meditation, it's it's really neat.
Speaker 4: So what do you guys think about the Gateway Project
Speaker 4: at the table? What do you think? Do you think
Speaker 4: it's bullshit? You think it's real.
Speaker 5: All, Well, I don't. I definitely don't think it's bullshit.
Speaker 5: I just remained skeptical that there's not other ways to
Speaker 5: do it, that's all. And I'm I'm, you know, being
Speaker 5: skeptical as I am. I'm like, I want, like the
Speaker 5: real deal, make sure like it's one hundred percent certified,
Speaker 5: not bad messaging where I always get like with at
Speaker 5: one point it just mentioned like mine is the ruler,
Speaker 5: and it's just like I always go with mind without additives.
Speaker 5: Sorry to bather on.
Speaker 1: No, don't be. I was just thinking, like what do
Speaker 1: we know about this unro guy, Like is this something
Speaker 1: that's like was this uh you know it's patented by
Speaker 1: the government. Was this something that the government sought out?
Speaker 1: And like he got a cont like a bid off
Speaker 1: of a contract act like because then it's like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like obviously anything that the government is involved with,
Speaker 1: it's like you have to maybe be a little more selective,
Speaker 1: but uh, I don't know, like especially like what is
Speaker 1: the messaging and the tapes, you know, I would be
Speaker 1: really curious about the actual phrasing when they're doing these
Speaker 1: the like hypnosis stuff. For sure.
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely where I'm coming from too, but I think
Speaker 5: a lot of the principles are quite applicable even if
Speaker 5: you just do it yourself, Like the patterning and these
Speaker 5: imagination or visualization tools are certainly powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 3: I take it as legit, and my viewpoint on it
Speaker 3: is I see it as science catching up with mysticism
Speaker 3: and ceremonial magic.
Speaker 6: It's basically this is a step forward.
Speaker 3: It's not concrete in my view, but this is a
Speaker 3: step forward to going to people who are skeptical, who
Speaker 3: are skeptical on whether magic is real. It's a step
Speaker 3: closer to say we have scientific proof. We could scientifically
Speaker 3: prove that these people are not kooks that are sitting
Speaker 3: here doing these these these practices and these ceremonies that
Speaker 3: they've been doing for ages. There's something to this. We
Speaker 3: we're applying the science there. I'm not saying this paper
Speaker 3: shows that we're there, but if you think about it
Speaker 3: throughout science, at one point, the kuks, the kooks were
Speaker 3: doing it first, and then they here we go, we're
Speaker 3: applying scientific math to it. So this is it's not there,
Speaker 3: but it's getting there as far as far as I
Speaker 3: see as for like Ero says, yes, I'd like to
Speaker 3: see what they what documentation they have from the experiments,
Speaker 3: but I think we won't be will be far long
Speaker 3: gone before they let that go out.
Speaker 1: This is so true, Judith. I love that.
Speaker 4: I will say, when I first came across this, when
Speaker 4: lux I brought it up, when we covered it and
Speaker 4: I read this, I'm very much like what you're saying, Judith.
Speaker 4: Is that like even from just certain things in there
Speaker 4: and from when I tried the tapes, It's just how
Speaker 4: I felt.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is.
Speaker 4: Like kind of like a little bit of science, like
Speaker 4: explaining magic, you know. And again it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 4: to be from that way, because I had my experience
Speaker 4: before I ever knew of the Gateway tapes, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But I was like, yes, I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, we're kind of going in like what you're saying,
Speaker 4: We're going in that direction. It's just this is on
Speaker 4: one brand, you know what I'm saying, in one way,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I see.
Speaker 6: Bring up something I want them to.
Speaker 3: I wish they expounded on and that's the extraterrestrial part,
Speaker 3: but uh, we have a few decades before that happens.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know the way the world's going nowadays,
Speaker 2: fucking UFO might land on the fucking White House lawn.
Speaker 6: Do you think they really want to land here right now?
Speaker 4: It doesn't even have to be real. We c g
Speaker 4: I and people think it's fucking real.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 4: That way that shit worked over the radio with War
Speaker 4: of the Worlds, you didn't.
Speaker 2: Even need visual proof. People believed it was happening.
Speaker 6: I War the.
Speaker 3: World's changed broadcasts in such a huge way. I don't
Speaker 3: think people understand. That's why they have to have the disclaimer.
Speaker 3: Because of War the Worlds and everything else. The AI
Speaker 3: is going to cause that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was fun. That was great.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you finally finished it. I was getting a
Speaker 4: little worried. I was like, shit, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: we're gonna be able to finish it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was great, Judy, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining in all that.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it was really good fun.
Speaker 4: I told her, I was like, because I thought about
Speaker 4: asking her on the second one, but I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if she's like into this like this
Speaker 4: or is a cup of tea you know? And You're like,
Speaker 4: oh no, You're like, I'm totally down. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, yeah that's great. So yeah, I really appreciated
Speaker 4: the stuff you had to add, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: So thank you very much. We're gonna wrap it up,
Speaker 4: I guess so I'll let everybody plug their shows and
Speaker 4: advertise this stuff.
Speaker 2: Erros, Let's go with you first, all.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, thanks for thanks for having me, and it
Speaker 1: was great to hang out with you guys tonight. You
Speaker 1: can find me on YouTube at Arrows Up and you
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter or x at Arrows to
Speaker 1: eat those.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, and thank you
Speaker 4: again for the topic. It was a great time. And Judith,
Speaker 4: please let everybody know where they can find your amazing
Speaker 4: YouTube channel.
Speaker 6: Thank you and thank you for having me. This was
Speaker 6: a blast.
Speaker 3: I had fun sharing this side of my personality. You
Speaker 3: can find me on YouTube as the Loon and you
Speaker 3: can also find me on X as the Loon as well.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much. And Ethan nice.
Speaker 5: That was awesome as always, really really fun to explore
Speaker 5: that Ethan Inigo Smith on all the social media, and
Speaker 5: I appreciate anyone who wants to communicate and books and
Speaker 5: writing are easily found to if you look them up. Well,
Speaker 5: a couple of articles on col Research Institute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for that. Yeah, definitely go
Speaker 2: check out all his books. He's got a fuck ton
Speaker 2: of books that he has. He's a he's a prolific write.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessive, obsessive. Yeah, he does write a lot, So
Speaker 2: go check out his.
Speaker 5: Level. Yeah, a few more maybe.
Speaker 2: Ye oh no, what would they say before you got
Speaker 2: to say you are? You will become one?
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's how we gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Right, she's the hologram.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, yeah, it's great as hologram.
Speaker 5: Looks not yet, yer.
Speaker 2: You gotta be a prolific writer, you gotta.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be a hologram now, sir, and and living
Speaker 4: somewhere new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, total, gotcha. Uh yes, I got you all right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty stone now, believe it or not. By the end
Speaker 2: of the show, I'm saying that Vabe wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 2: Thank you all.
Speaker 4: I had a really great time. Thank everybody in the chat.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, even you Vins. I appreciate all your
Speaker 4: comments that you put in there. That's what's up yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh until the next one. Everybody be well later.