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Speaker 1: the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to a bigfoot researcher you may have heard
Speaker 1: of before. He is pretty well known. His name is
Speaker 1: Dwayne Pintoff. But it's a privilege to have on the show. Dwayne,
Speaker 1: how's it going.
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you doing? Jeremiah. It's a pleasure to
Speaker 2: meet you and have this interview with you.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I've been looking forward to chatting
Speaker 1: with you for quite a while. Let's start out with
Speaker 1: this before we get too far into it. You know,
Speaker 1: when I have a researchron, I like to know kind
Speaker 1: of what was it that got you first into the
Speaker 1: bigfoot field to begin with? So I think let's start
Speaker 1: there right at the beginning. What was it that got
Speaker 1: you into this to begin with?
Speaker 2: Dwaine, Well, there's a lot of people. I've had an
Speaker 2: interest of fascination with the subject since the Patterson Gamwin
Speaker 2: film was first released in the seventies, and then the
Speaker 2: other things came through in search of and legend of
Speaker 2: Boggy Creek. I mean, I had a fascination, but it
Speaker 2: was as a teenager, a kid, and I believe it
Speaker 2: was just Hollywood, you know, Hollywood boogeyman stuff until nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three. And I grew up in South Carolina, lived
Speaker 2: in North and South Carolina through those through the early sixties, seventies, eighties,
Speaker 2: in the early nineties, and in eighty three, I was
Speaker 2: working in Georgetown, South Carolina, which is at the coast
Speaker 2: between Myrtle Beach and Charleston, South Carolina, as a electrical
Speaker 2: engineer field engineer on the paper on the International Paper Plant,
Speaker 2: which was about an eight nine month project. Thousands of
Speaker 2: people working there well. At that time, I lived a
Speaker 2: three and a half hour trip from my home in
Speaker 2: the foothills upper part of South Carolina, and we would
Speaker 2: work thirteen days on ten twelve hour days and then
Speaker 2: get two to three days off. Well, this particular weekend
Speaker 2: in August of eighty three, my middle brother's father in
Speaker 2: law was also an employee there. He was working as
Speaker 2: a Union pipefitter, and both of us lived within miles
Speaker 2: of each other back in the hills of Spartanburg County,
Speaker 2: and this particular weekend, his name was Brady. He had
Speaker 2: to take the same trip, the same commute points to
Speaker 2: go home as I did. On this particular Friday night,
Speaker 2: he didn't come through. It was called Watery Recreation Area.
Speaker 2: It's near the Sumter National Forest. It's about as the
Speaker 2: Crow Flies. It's twenty five miles from Columbia, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: It's twenty miles north of Shaw Air Force Base. That
Speaker 2: gives you the locality. It was very, very very isolated
Speaker 2: in the early eighties. Swampland thick thick wilderness area, lots
Speaker 2: of habitation, lots of wilderness wildlife. You had wild pigs, bears,
Speaker 2: numerous deer, and all other indigenous animals living in here.
Speaker 2: So in that time period, there wasn't hardly any commercialism
Speaker 2: between the town of Camden and the town of Liberty Hill,
Speaker 2: which was about a twenty mile stretch. And that's where
Speaker 2: Brady had his initial account encounter as he was driving
Speaker 2: home and he told me this story on the following Monday.
Speaker 2: He went out of his way to tell me because
Speaker 2: back then we had no cell phones or internet or
Speaker 2: any other communication, so he had to wait till he
Speaker 2: returned physically to the job to tell me that. On
Speaker 2: that Friday night, as he was passing through this very
Speaker 2: isolated location, he comes up on a car and the car,
Speaker 2: for no reason swerved. It was on a very straight
Speaker 2: area on the road itself where you could see like
Speaker 2: almost a mile ahead of you, and this car swerved
Speaker 2: suddenly and went off to the side of the road
Speaker 2: and over and then down a three four foot and
Speaker 2: slope of embankment. Well, Brady and I were both on
Speaker 2: the rescue squad back home, and he thinking, hey, someone's
Speaker 2: had a medical emergency, he said, he stopped his truck,
Speaker 2: got out of the truck, grabbed a flashlight, went up
Speaker 2: to the car and theywards he's knocking on the window,
Speaker 2: and there was two elderly ladies and they were very excited.
Speaker 2: Did you He got on the roll the window down there,
Speaker 2: yelling did you see it? Did you see it? Did
Speaker 2: you you see it? And I said, what did they see?
Speaker 2: Brady said, I'll tell you a minute. But he said,
Speaker 2: I wasn't worried about that. He said, I asked him.
Speaker 2: I offered him if they needed any help, if anyone
Speaker 2: had a medical emergency. They didn't, so he offered he
Speaker 2: had a four wheel drive pickup truck. He said, I
Speaker 2: think I can pull your car back up on the
Speaker 2: road so you can continue your drive home. And that
Speaker 2: was all he knew at that moment, And he said
Speaker 2: he walked back up to his truck, which was still
Speaker 2: on the side of the road. As he went around
Speaker 2: the back of the truck to opened the cap he
Speaker 2: had on the back to get the rope. That's when
Speaker 2: the flash light hit this thing right in the face.
Speaker 2: It was standing there within thirty I laiter, not this
Speaker 2: thirty feet from his position, and he's looking at his square.
Speaker 2: It's looking at him. He's looking at it, he said,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what was it? Brady, wasn't the heck
Speaker 2: did you see? And he said, Dwayne, it was a monster. Well,
Speaker 2: we didn't ever talk about Bigfoot back in the eighties,
Speaker 2: even though I had seen those things at the movies
Speaker 2: and on television. Brady and I had never ever ever
Speaker 2: talked about any that he had zero. He was a
Speaker 2: down to earth guy, a deacon in the church. He
Speaker 2: was not the kind of talk about nonsense or anything
Speaker 2: science fiction. And I said, what did you see? And
Speaker 2: he said, Dwayne, he at that time he held both his
Speaker 2: arms out and his hands out. He said, it was
Speaker 2: bigger than any wrestler, or any bodybuild or any football player. Said, Dwayne,
Speaker 2: it was massive, and it was covered head to toe
Speaker 2: with black hair. And I said, what I'm the standing
Speaker 2: of looking, Well, the first thing that come to my
Speaker 2: mind is the falk Arkansas Monster, the Boggy Creek Monster. Again,
Speaker 2: neither one of us said Bigfoot. And I said, what
Speaker 2: in the heck did you see? He said, Dwayne, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was horrible. And he said I
Speaker 2: must have went in the shock. And I said why,
Speaker 2: He said, because I don't know how long I stood there.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I didn't slam the back
Speaker 2: of the truck lid and run. He said, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but he said he some reason, this thing turned and
Speaker 2: it walked up to the wood edge, the wood tree
Speaker 2: edge of the woods, stopped for a second, and he
Speaker 2: said it turned back around and looked at him, and
Speaker 2: it made this gurgling.
Speaker 3: Growling sound. Guttur old got growling sound. And then he
Speaker 3: said it turned around. It just noncho I walked in
Speaker 3: and started breaking branches and sound like it was pushing
Speaker 3: trees over. And then I started quizzing him.
Speaker 2: I said, well, what in the world did it do
Speaker 2: before that? And he said, well, it didn't do anything
Speaker 2: but stand there and look at me. And he said
Speaker 2: he said, Dwayne, you know the big guerrilla we have
Speaker 2: at the River Bank Zoo in Columbia. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen it. Will he be at Atlanta Zoo used
Speaker 2: to be And he said it looked just like that.
Speaker 2: In the face. He said it had a gray leather
Speaker 2: face and it had the same face, nose, and mouth
Speaker 2: as a gorilla. I said, well, then it was it
Speaker 2: a gorilla. He said it was not a gorilla. He
Speaker 2: said it walked like us. He said, it was not
Speaker 2: like I've seen gorillas walk. I said, okay, well, then
Speaker 2: what was it? He said, I don't know, and he
Speaker 2: said it had a pungent odor. He said it smelled
Speaker 2: like between a landfill. And he was a hunter at
Speaker 2: the time. He said that if I left a deer
Speaker 2: hanging in the woods in South Carolina for two or
Speaker 2: three days or roadkill, he said, that's what hit me
Speaker 2: when I stood there looking at it. And he said
Speaker 2: the hair was jet black from the head to the
Speaker 2: as far as he could see, down to the ankles,
Speaker 2: because it was down below the edge of the embankment.
Speaker 2: And he said it hung off its arms and was wet,
Speaker 2: like it had been in the swamp or been in
Speaker 2: something that was wet. All of it was glittening and wet.
Speaker 2: And he said, but other than it being huge, and
Speaker 2: that being the description of the smell and the behavior,
Speaker 2: it didn't do anything toward him. So he said when
Speaker 2: it went into the woods, he turned around and grabbed
Speaker 2: the rope and went over and managed to get the
Speaker 2: car back up on the road. And he never told
Speaker 2: the ladies what he had just witnessed. And he said,
Speaker 2: he said, he asked him again, what did you see
Speaker 2: what made you swirl off the road, and they said,
Speaker 2: as they were driving, a deer ran in front of
Speaker 2: their car, and this black thing they didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was, was right behind the deer and they almost
Speaker 2: hit and that's what they swerved to miss. So this
Speaker 2: was intrinching to me because I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 2: was like twenty four years old at the time, only
Speaker 2: I had always been an outdoors person, always done hunting
Speaker 2: and fishing and hiking and camping and the Boy Scouts
Speaker 2: and Explorer Scouts. I always had a passion for the woods.
Speaker 2: But I had never tied Bigfoot together with any of
Speaker 2: my wilderness activities up until that time in south of
Speaker 2: North Carolina, and this got me very interested. I want
Speaker 2: to know what Brady had witnessed. So he told the ladies,
Speaker 2: he asked me, that's what they call him. And so
Speaker 2: they drove off, and then he said he got into
Speaker 2: his truck was continuing to drive home, and they said
Speaker 2: that's when maybe reality set in because he got the
Speaker 2: shaking so badly he had to sit there and recompose
Speaker 2: himself for like thirty forty minutes before he could continue driving.
Speaker 2: So then on Monday morning, he's back at work, and
Speaker 2: you got to physically realize this guy wasn't. He wasn't
Speaker 2: the kind of pranksters and hoaxes. Did like the joke occasionally,
Speaker 2: but he would never have gotten into this and didn't
Speaker 2: even know enough to do a prank on this. He
Speaker 2: had walked this paper meal that we were working on
Speaker 2: was about the size of two big malls store commercial malls.
Speaker 2: His business of work was the pipe fitting work he
Speaker 2: was doing was like the other end of the mall,
Speaker 2: and he walked the distance to come to my work
Speaker 2: area where I was working on the probox and Modicon
Speaker 2: control systems, to make sure if I was going to
Speaker 2: drive through that area that I was aware of what
Speaker 2: he had seen on that previous Friday, so that I
Speaker 2: wouldn't end up in the situation he did, and that
Speaker 2: was the last time. He passed away two years ago
Speaker 2: at seventy eight years old, and that was the last
Speaker 2: time he ever willingly talked about it was at the
Speaker 2: job and after that I tried to catch him and
Speaker 2: get more information. He said, I'm not talking about it. It
Speaker 2: was a demon, it was a monster. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about it, and none of we never told I talk
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot. But I went to that area. I ended
Speaker 2: up relocating and moving officially of Columbia in March of
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, and it became my first research location.
Speaker 2: I went through those woods. I had a forty four
Speaker 2: magnumum my hip, whereas I thought, if I run into
Speaker 2: something like this, I don't know what is capable of,
Speaker 2: even though it didn't do anything aggressive toward Brady. But
Speaker 2: I never saw anything. I walked through those woods by
Speaker 2: myself several miles and I wasn't a researcher. No one
Speaker 2: had ever advised me of how to be a researcher,
Speaker 2: what to look for, what clues to study, and what
Speaker 2: to get information. I just figured, if this thing's out there,
Speaker 2: it would just make its appearance like it did to him,
Speaker 2: and I'll get the chance to see what he saw,
Speaker 2: and then I'll figure it out. But unfortunately, from eighty
Speaker 2: four until eighty nine I lived in there. I had
Speaker 2: a condo down there, and I lived and I went
Speaker 2: through those woods and all the surrounding areas of that area.
Speaker 2: Never came across anything that I can say, even now,
Speaker 2: knowing what I know as a researcher, anything to be conclusive,
Speaker 2: concrete evidence. And one time I had a year at
Speaker 2: pause of that area because I ended up out in
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest and I was working in near Oregon
Speaker 2: at a nuclear facility as I was a nuclear engineer
Speaker 2: in I became involved in nuclear power as an engineer
Speaker 2: in eighty four and I ended up taking a break
Speaker 2: in eighty six eighty seven. I moved out there worked
Speaker 2: out there, not knowing anything about Bigfoot other than Brady's
Speaker 2: encounter and what I'd seen on television in the movies.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find any research information in my libraries in Spartanburg,
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I couldn't find There was no one to
Speaker 2: have a conversation with about it, and I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I know now. Like I say, if I hadn't
Speaker 2: known them in what I'm knowing now, it would have
Speaker 2: been I may have ended up relocating permanently out there
Speaker 2: and ended up being another cliff Backman or something. But
Speaker 2: instead I was bumping around just being an engineer at
Speaker 2: a power plant. And of course I could not mention
Speaker 2: my hobby, my interest, because they would have gave me
Speaker 2: the crazy alarm and I would have been not be
Speaker 2: working at a nuclear plant. But so I had to
Speaker 2: keep a low profile. But I still managed to do
Speaker 2: my research when I had time. So I'm out there,
Speaker 2: and God knows, I wish I had known who Peter
Speaker 2: Burns was. Then. I wish I would have known how
Speaker 2: close I was to Bob jim Win at the time.
Speaker 2: I mean Yakama, Washington. I wasn't two hours away from
Speaker 2: the man. I would have driven to his farm and
Speaker 2: met with him if i'd have known he was that
Speaker 2: close to me. But I didn't know those things. So
Speaker 2: I went out on excursions for my own self because
Speaker 2: of loving the woods, and went hiking and horseback riding
Speaker 2: and had I had five guys in my office that
Speaker 2: were pilots, and we were in the air practically every weekend,
Speaker 2: flying somewhere, either up to Seattle, up to Mountain Neer,
Speaker 2: out to the coast down in northern California, or over
Speaker 2: to Idaho. We were flying somewhere practically every weekend, and
Speaker 2: in the air. I was amazed to how many things
Speaker 2: I could see from the as a visual from the air,
Speaker 2: as long as we stayed within three or four thousand
Speaker 2: feet elevation, I could see pretty good. I mean we
Speaker 2: couldn't get down tree top level and study anything, but
Speaker 2: it still gave me an open perspective of the wooded
Speaker 2: areas around that location.
Speaker 1: Big for Society would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So I could figure out, Hey, I want to go there.
Speaker 2: I was a camp I was also an amateur photographer
Speaker 2: at the time, had all this really good equipment, and
Speaker 2: I would rug all this equipment in a backpack and
Speaker 2: go to the woods to take pictures. And that was
Speaker 2: my primary concern. But I never associated for the first
Speaker 2: month or so out there that Bigfoot was, you know,
Speaker 2: a novel. It was a major impact of that area.
Speaker 2: I mean I found out a little later on, a
Speaker 2: couple months later when I think I sent you a paper.
Speaker 2: It tells a little bit about my history out there.
Speaker 2: Some of the guys in the office knew that I
Speaker 2: was doing these excursions and photography and they said, hey, Dwayne,
Speaker 2: have you made it up to Mount Saint Helens yet?
Speaker 2: And I said no, I didn't even think I could
Speaker 2: get close to it. They said, yeah, they just opened
Speaker 2: a two mile red zone a couple months ago, and
Speaker 2: you can get in within that distance and you can
Speaker 2: get some fairly good pictures of the dome where it's
Speaker 2: blown off, and see just how devastated it is in
Speaker 2: that area, and said you'll enjoy probably hiking around there.
Speaker 2: Well that was all I knew. It's all they told me.
Speaker 2: Nothing in the language of Bigfoot. So I'm driving up
Speaker 2: five or four kid Highway, which is coming out of
Speaker 2: Castle Castle Rock, and I'm going just through the wilderness,
Speaker 2: just beautiful, beautiful Douglas Fair wilderness up through there, and
Speaker 2: I come up on this souvenir stand, this souvenir facility,
Speaker 2: and it's the buried a frame and it had a
Speaker 2: souvenir shop up on the little rise on New Knoll
Speaker 2: up above it. And then there was this big, thirty
Speaker 2: foot Bigfoot statue standing at the corner of the parking lot,
Speaker 2: and I'm like wow, I thought that's amazing. So I
Speaker 2: pulled in. I had to see this and get a picture. Well,
Speaker 2: when I did that, I'm kind of just scooping out
Speaker 2: the area and I look up towards the souvenir building
Speaker 2: and it looks like they built this facility out around
Speaker 2: where a porch might have been on this old house
Speaker 2: and closed it in. They had these cartoon looking caricatures
Speaker 2: of a monkey or a bigfoot. It turned out painted
Speaker 2: or decount around the building and I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this statue and I'm thinking, man, that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty amazing. Must know something about bigfoot. I gotta
Speaker 2: go check it out. So I because I'm already just
Speaker 2: my whole mind was to get up to the trails
Speaker 2: and start hiking and filming. Wasn't thinking about a souvenir
Speaker 2: shop at the time. So I walk in. Nobody was there,
Speaker 2: and I just browse around a second. It was typical
Speaker 2: souvenir key shirt, hats, trinkets, nothing of interest. As I
Speaker 2: turn around and start to go out, that's when I
Speaker 2: noticed off to the left was this turnstile and it
Speaker 2: looked like a glass display like cases inside the annex
Speaker 2: of this building. So I walk over and lean in
Speaker 2: to see what it is. That's something I need to
Speaker 2: pay attention to. And as far down the length of
Speaker 2: it and on both sides of it are these looks
Speaker 2: like jewelry glass jewelry display cases, and these china looking
Speaker 2: displayed glass cases, and they're just stuffed in them every
Speaker 2: inch of the way down. So I thought, okay, And
Speaker 2: it cost a dollar to get in this extra section,
Speaker 2: and I put my dollar in I go in, and
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, Jeremiah, I felt like a
Speaker 2: kid in a in a let's say, star trek or
Speaker 2: something that I would have been so fascinated by at
Speaker 2: that time. But it was unbelievable. This guy had, the
Speaker 2: owner had all these castings of feet and hand and
Speaker 2: hair samples and newspaper and magazine clippings and pictures. He
Speaker 2: had just a plenty of them down through there, and
Speaker 2: I'm just walking through there and I'm circling around. Now
Speaker 2: I'm going back down and I'm circling around because I
Speaker 2: want to read and see everything gets in there, because
Speaker 2: it was just unbelievable. And he stuck. He realized I
Speaker 2: was in there for a while, and he come over
Speaker 2: and he says, uh, I couldn't help, but see you
Speaker 2: were very interested, and he starts. We just had a
Speaker 2: general conversation. I ended up telling him about my experience
Speaker 2: with Brady and Brady having his encounter, and he was
Speaker 2: amazed by day. He said, oh really, He said, I
Speaker 2: didn't think those creatures might be in South Carolina, but
Speaker 2: I know they're here. He said, I've had experiences and
Speaker 2: encounters and he said, what you see here is a
Speaker 2: collection of everyone who's from this area has bought their
Speaker 2: evidence and bought it to have it displayed here, which
Speaker 2: it did. It had names and years and locations where
Speaker 2: these castings had all been made, which a lot were
Speaker 2: Spirit Lake and Mount Saint Helens before the volcanic explosion.
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to I'm just like a kid.
Speaker 2: And it turned in an hour plus conversation. At the
Speaker 2: end of that, as I'm trying to kind of work
Speaker 2: my way out, this young guy who I don't know
Speaker 2: where he come from, he comes in and he's just
Speaker 2: kind of meandering along and shaking his head and just
Speaker 2: on huns and not really chiming in. And as I'm
Speaker 2: about to leave, he says, I couldn't help me. Hear
Speaker 2: you say you're going up to take pictures of the
Speaker 2: mountain of the volcano. I said, that's exactly where I'm
Speaker 2: hit it. He said, I can do something better than that,
Speaker 2: He said, I got a helicopter parked up the road
Speaker 2: about a mile. He said, if you are okay with it,
Speaker 2: he said, uh, I'd take you up and put you
Speaker 2: take you into the mouth of the volcano. And I'm
Speaker 2: like looking at him, like okay, And so I said, oh,
Speaker 2: that sounds cool with me, and it turned out at
Speaker 2: fifty dollars and I thought, well, that's a lot of
Speaker 2: money back in eighty six, but I didn't think much
Speaker 2: about it. So I followed this guy up the road
Speaker 2: and sitting there's this nice looking, brand new looking helicopter
Speaker 2: sitting there. It looks like any like something really expensive.
Speaker 2: And there wasn't anyone else up there. It was just
Speaker 2: him and I and we get in crawl in. I
Speaker 2: had my camera equipment and we put the headphones on.
Speaker 2: And that was only the second time I had been
Speaker 2: in a helicopter, and the other time was for up
Speaker 2: in Gatlinburg and I did just a quick tour circle.
Speaker 2: So this guy, he sets it up, gets us in
Speaker 2: the air, and I was like wow. I never really
Speaker 2: realized how easy it was to see so many things
Speaker 2: as we were only flying about five six hundred feet
Speaker 2: that we were not even now hi maybe And he
Speaker 2: would just pull up every once in a while, because
Speaker 2: as we got away from the parking lot where he
Speaker 2: had this thing, the pad he had this thing sitting on,
Speaker 2: I'm looking out through the foot viewpoint and then I'm
Speaker 2: looking out the window and I can easily see all
Speaker 2: these elchre down there on the tundra grazing, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe how good I could see him, and I
Speaker 2: was making comments about it. I was looking. I said, wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't know you could see this much as easy
Speaker 2: from a helicopter compared to a plane. So he would hover,
Speaker 2: he would just pull up and let me take some pictures,
Speaker 2: and all that time we're looking straight at the mountain.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at unbelievable devastation of Mount Saint
Speaker 2: Helen right square in front of me, about a mile
Speaker 2: ahead of me, and that caught my eye. But I'm
Speaker 2: being a jokester because I was like twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: twenty eight years old then, and I wasn't being mean strut.
Speaker 2: And I had no idea who this guy was, except
Speaker 2: I do. He had had me in his hand of
Speaker 2: the helicopter, and he was really doing good so far,
Speaker 2: and he was in a bigfoot souvenir shop. But I
Speaker 2: had no idea if this guy had anything to do
Speaker 2: with any of that, because he didn't come in and
Speaker 2: join in any of the conversation with me and the owner.
Speaker 2: So I looked at him, and I'm talking to him
Speaker 2: you know it hits it. And I said, I didn't
Speaker 2: know you could see as well from the helicopter. I said,
Speaker 2: did you ever see a bigfoot? I said, I got
Speaker 2: to ask you, did you ever see any bigfoot before
Speaker 2: the mountain blew? I figured he just laughed me off
Speaker 2: for it, you know, tell me to get lost, and
Speaker 2: he looked right at me. He said, yes I did,
Speaker 2: and I was like, really. He said I did see too,
Speaker 2: just a few weeks before the mountain exploded. And I said,
Speaker 2: no kidding. And that's when he told me. He said
Speaker 2: he was coming back from bringing in the john Town
Speaker 2: Johnston Observatory Science as geologists. He had taken a couple
Speaker 2: of them up to do something with their seismic equipment
Speaker 2: where they had a place located at the I think
Speaker 2: I was the eastern edge of the mountaintop and they
Speaker 2: were monitoring the volcano. They were up there doing monitoring
Speaker 2: seismic activity. And he said, as he was flying back down,
Speaker 2: he said, the north side of the Lake of Spirit
Speaker 2: Lake that was grassy. All this salt grass was there
Speaker 2: and it was very no vegetation to sept grass. And
Speaker 2: he's flying at about one hundred and fifty feet elevation
Speaker 2: right across the water to pick up another group of
Speaker 2: people that wanted to come up for a tour. And
Speaker 2: as he's doing that, he looked down through he had
Speaker 2: again he had this opening in his feet, and he
Speaker 2: saw movement. He saw, he said, he saw this dark
Speaker 2: figures and he thought it was bears at first, he said.
Speaker 2: He pulled up the helicopter and he's hovering above them,
Speaker 2: and then he's studying down looking at him, and he
Speaker 2: realized they're walking and not on four it they're on
Speaker 2: two lakes, side by side. And he realized because he
Speaker 2: had been in the air so many times, he had
Speaker 2: had quite a bit of experience, he knew he had
Speaker 2: a mental judgment of size, and he knew these things
Speaker 2: were massive compared to humans by what he was able
Speaker 2: to see features from the air at one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty feet or thereabouts. And he said, he just hovered
Speaker 2: and they never one time looked up at him. They
Speaker 2: just kept their course, walking side by side, and he
Speaker 2: had to keep backing the helicopter up because they were walking.
Speaker 2: He was facing them, he said, and he had to
Speaker 2: back the helicopter up. But they never looked up to
Speaker 2: see what was above them or cared about what was
Speaker 2: above them, And he said they walked several yards and
Speaker 2: then finally they both turned and went into the wood
Speaker 2: wine and wilderness and just kind of disappeared out of sight.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, wow, no kidding. I thought, this guy's
Speaker 2: either full of it or he is really telling me something.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody else at that time had seen
Speaker 2: anything from the air. So he flies me around and
Speaker 2: takes me up to where the observatory is and then
Speaker 2: starts showing me some other features and explaining what it
Speaker 2: had looked like to what I mean, it looked like
Speaker 2: the surface of the moon when I was there. There
Speaker 2: was no vegetation on that area. It was horrible, just
Speaker 2: pure ash everywhere. So as we're flying back down to
Speaker 2: where we had first come back from the across from
Speaker 2: the pad and stopped and hovered for the elk, we
Speaker 2: were down at the right side there, and it was
Speaker 2: called the Tootle Creek Fork, and that's where the Spirit Lake,
Speaker 2: which is a reservoir, would still into Tootle Creek and
Speaker 2: then it would feed the water down to Kelso and
Speaker 2: Castle Rock and I don't know what other little tributaries
Speaker 2: it filled down there, But anyway, he said, he looked.
Speaker 2: I said, did you ever see Bigfoot anymore? Before the
Speaker 2: mountain blue? And he looked at me real serious, and
Speaker 2: he said, yes I did. But if I tell you
Speaker 2: what I'm about to tell you, you got to give me
Speaker 2: your word that you keep it confidentially. He said, I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose my pilot license. Well he must have.
Speaker 2: He must have still had his license because it was
Speaker 2: six years later since the mountain had blown in eighty
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty that I'm in the helicopter now, and he
Speaker 2: pulls us up right over this little tributary where this
Speaker 2: fork to the creek fork is at and we're hovering
Speaker 2: looking down, and he said after the mountain blew, he
Speaker 2: had to stay out of the air for two or
Speaker 2: three weeks because of the air quality would have killed
Speaker 2: the engine on the helicopter and caused the crash. So
Speaker 2: until air quality was reachieved, the state grounded. So no
Speaker 2: big deal. When he went back up and started taking
Speaker 2: people that wanted to witness the explosion of the volcano,
Speaker 2: he was just doing his normal thing and no big
Speaker 2: deal until one day, a couple of weeks into his flying,
Speaker 2: they were clearing. They had brought these steam shovels in
Speaker 2: the big wedges, and Army Corps engineers and the local
Speaker 2: construction contractors had all come in. They were eagerly trying
Speaker 2: to open up that fork at Spiel Way. It was
Speaker 2: just he said, it was just a collection of trees
Speaker 2: and debris and silt and ash and mud, and it couldn't.
Speaker 2: They wanted to get the water going down so the
Speaker 2: communities that need at that reservoir could get the water back.
Speaker 2: So Klitch River, that's the other one. Is it spillst
Speaker 2: Tutle Creek and it dumps into Klitch River. So anyway,
Speaker 2: he he's sitting there and we're sitting there together in
Speaker 2: the chopper and he said, I'm watching this activity as
Speaker 2: I was up flying, and no big deal, he said.
Speaker 2: There was just tons of things being hauled off. They
Speaker 2: had the big Shinook double blade helicopters in there, and
Speaker 2: they were dropping a big transport whatever cargo nets and
Speaker 2: they were hauling a lot of that out on the
Speaker 2: cargo nets to someplace, and they were hauling it out
Speaker 2: on trucks just to get all this debris out and
Speaker 2: there at that time, he said, that was what he
Speaker 2: watched until one day, a couple weeks in, he comes
Speaker 2: through there and he decided to pull up and watch
Speaker 2: because they were just about to lift this big cargo net.
Speaker 2: And that's when he noticed what looked like an arm,
Speaker 2: a hand hanging out, and a massive and a foot
Speaker 2: and a leg hanging out. And he said, these he
Speaker 2: knew was not there. He could easily see they looked
Speaker 2: like all those human appendages, and that's when he thought Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, just to give a little backstory,
Speaker 2: the one thing the guy in the souvenir shop said,
Speaker 2: as we're talking big he said, you can ask anybody
Speaker 2: that lives around here about Bigfoot and you'll have a
Speaker 2: two hour conversation. He said, people up here love Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They don't mind talking about it. He said, you want
Speaker 2: to get a conversation going in Washington, in this part
Speaker 2: of Washington, state of Washington, he said, just mention Bigfoot. Well,
Speaker 2: this guy's thinking was the same way he's watching this thinking.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, yeah, it was burned, deer, burned,
Speaker 2: elk burned, other indigenous animals found there was all this
Speaker 2: debris and damage. Why not Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Big for a society who will be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 2: So he's watching them haul this cargo net up with
Speaker 2: what looks like a burnt body of Bigfoot maybe more.
Speaker 2: He's thinking as big as as big as the net was,
Speaker 2: and having one hanging out on one side and one
Speaker 2: hanging out in there, he figured there was at least
Speaker 2: two of them in that cargo net, at least that's
Speaker 2: what he told me. And I'm just sitting there with
Speaker 2: my mouth open. I'm like, really, you witnessed this? He said,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, no big deal. Well, he went on
Speaker 2: about his business. After they took that Army Corps engineer
Speaker 2: helicopter took off with that net. He went back, got
Speaker 2: his fair, his people that he was going to bring up,
Speaker 2: and he kept doing that for a couple of days,
Speaker 2: two or three days. He's telling people that he's hauling
Speaker 2: out for the tours about this experience, he said, and
Speaker 2: nobody really made big deals about it. They were not
Speaker 2: amazed because they were the locals. And he said, three
Speaker 2: days into him telling the stories, some guy, a reporter
Speaker 2: from the Kelso Gazette or whatever it was called, called him,
Speaker 2: found a way to call him, got in touch, wanted
Speaker 2: to do a report again, this guy's thinking, as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, no big deal. He invites him down
Speaker 2: to his farm in Castle Rock. He gives this guy
Speaker 2: the report. The report ends up in the newspaper, and
Speaker 2: that's when he's looking at me and telling me. Within
Speaker 2: a day, this government, this sedan shows up at his
Speaker 2: farm with these two guys in suits saying they worked
Speaker 2: for the government. But he never got a name who
Speaker 2: they were. They just flashed two cards at him, and
Speaker 2: they're looking at him and saying, you need to retract
Speaker 2: your story. Change it that that was bears or something
Speaker 2: you didn't recognize but not Bigfoot and you were mistaken,
Speaker 2: or you're going to lose your pilot's license. And I
Speaker 2: later found out he was threatened to lose his pension,
Speaker 2: his military pension, and he still was telling me. Well,
Speaker 2: I found out after the internet went live and I
Speaker 2: was doing other research there was another similar report from
Speaker 2: Klitch River area, which I don't know if somebody deliberately
Speaker 2: changed the location to throw people law from the Tudle
Speaker 2: River Fork, I don't know that. But they were telling
Speaker 2: that they were finding Bigfoot bodies and being hauled off,
Speaker 2: and then they were telling how the army Corps engineer
Speaker 2: allegedly had captured a bigfoot that was injured and they
Speaker 2: were going in and collecting other bodies. I don't know
Speaker 2: about all that part, but this guy, he was very sincere.
Speaker 2: But then after I started reading other reports, I found
Speaker 2: his alleging his nephew filed a report on I believe
Speaker 2: it was a Bflo's site, if I'm right about that.
Speaker 2: He wrote a notation report that this person who I
Speaker 2: believe was my pilot, had died from cancer. Here. I
Speaker 2: guess he was in Vietnam War and he might have
Speaker 2: died from agent orange exposure. I don't know that, but
Speaker 2: he was a decorated soldier because of his missions. He
Speaker 2: had fallen behind enemy lines to retrieve injured soldiers and
Speaker 2: captured or soldiers that couldn't get out on their own.
Speaker 2: And when he came out, retired out of the military
Speaker 2: or Vietnam War ended, he came back to where he
Speaker 2: was from and he opened up this helicopter tourist business
Speaker 2: and I got to meet the guy. So that was
Speaker 2: exceptional in me because I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: background in bigfoot at the time except from what I
Speaker 2: knew from Brady. So that's what I can tell you about.
Speaker 1: That, Dwayne. Oh my goodness, I just have to I
Speaker 1: just have to explain a little bit of why this
Speaker 1: is a really big deal for me right now. So
Speaker 1: just for listeners. So, I have tried four years to
Speaker 1: talk to someone that has some sort of like personal
Speaker 1: connection to that situation. So to be able to talk
Speaker 1: to you hear your story regarding that is incredible. Also,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize, didn't That didn't click in my mind
Speaker 1: that you were an actual engineer at Trojan Nuclear.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have been trying four years or what feels
Speaker 1: like years, to talk to a engineer from Trojan Nuclear.
Speaker 1: Because as we were talking before the show started, you know,
Speaker 1: one of my highest episodes is the gentleman who had
Speaker 1: the grew up with the experience on Near City Road
Speaker 1: in Rainier where for four years the Sasquatch are tormenting
Speaker 1: him and his family.
Speaker 2: That happens, I am familiar with that. I read that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one of those reports I would have given my life,
Speaker 2: made my left arm to have known about when I
Speaker 2: lived there.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like, it's crazy though, because that
Speaker 1: happened in the late seventies and you were there in
Speaker 1: the mid eighties.
Speaker 2: Right, I was there in eighty six eighty seven, and
Speaker 2: then I would have gone to that location and with
Speaker 2: there if I would have known this person and could
Speaker 2: have known about his report like I do from your interview.
Speaker 1: It is insane how it all lines up. But you're
Speaker 1: also there before. I don't know if you remember a name.
Speaker 1: Individual's name is Henry Franzoni, who is involved with Peter
Speaker 1: Burn and this would have been starting in the nineties, and.
Speaker 2: I'm mildly experience with that. I do know about it,
Speaker 2: I just don't know details.
Speaker 1: So mister Franzoni is unfortunately no longer with us as
Speaker 1: of earlier this year, but I love interviewing him. And
Speaker 1: his main research area was this this Verre near Oregon area,
Speaker 1: and he had some really really interesting ideas about it,
Speaker 1: including that you know, there were for underground, there may
Speaker 1: have been tunnels involved, just some really really interesting, uh
Speaker 1: stuff that he was involved with with his research in
Speaker 1: that area. So it is so cool to be able
Speaker 1: to have you on kind of an innerlocking part of
Speaker 1: these other stories that I've had on the show. But
Speaker 1: so you were actually were you actually spending time in
Speaker 1: the ver near Oregon area itself to research in that area?
Speaker 1: Was it more up near Mount Saint Helens.
Speaker 2: Why what research I did? Because again I wasn't really
Speaker 2: considered I didn't consider myself a research or just a
Speaker 2: novice that had a passion for big for finding out
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot. And after I went to the souvenir shop,
Speaker 2: then my interest grew. I mean it became exponential. After that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, you have all this. So
Speaker 2: I kind of started focusing in the Olympic Olympic National
Speaker 2: Forest and the Cascades. I went down to Columbia Gorge
Speaker 2: and the dolls. Again, I didn't know Peter Burn had
Speaker 2: a museum down there. I never no one told me
Speaker 2: about it, and no one led me to him because
Speaker 2: I wasn't speaking about my interest. And then there was
Speaker 2: I know, I had to be very very close because
Speaker 2: it's just like a feeling I get when I'm around
Speaker 2: any locations that I used to travel all over the
Speaker 2: country for my field engineering experience. If I would get
Speaker 2: in an area, because again didn't have internet, didn't have
Speaker 2: until later, didn't have internet, didn't have any resource people
Speaker 2: to communicate with this to lead me somewhere. It was
Speaker 2: all gut feeling, and I would go in those woods
Speaker 2: when something told me there might be something there in
Speaker 2: that place that you were telling me that was in
Speaker 2: the near area. I know, I was on those roads
Speaker 2: and walking in those woods without the knowledge of knowing
Speaker 2: that this guy was virtually living amongst them.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, So you and I had no Oh wow,
Speaker 1: it was just off of how it felt. That's incredible.
Speaker 2: It did. It felt like something was there that was different.
Speaker 2: And I thought, but the Bigfoot's up in Castle Rock
Speaker 2: and it's up in now saying, hell is my god,
Speaker 2: it's got to be here. And again I wasn't. I
Speaker 2: wasn't connecting the Patterson Gimblin in northern California with northern Oregon.
Speaker 2: No one was giving me any insight. Again, I didn't
Speaker 2: have anyone to communicate with until you know, many years
Speaker 2: later and coaching unfortunately got knocked down. It's gone and
Speaker 2: there's no going back to that because I was once
Speaker 2: I got in bobed with bigfoot researches adamantly, as I
Speaker 2: did once I come to Pennsylvania in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: but I didn't get involved with a group in a
Speaker 2: group concept. I didn't get into bobbed in that until
Speaker 2: two thousand, well actually ninety nine, as I was part
Speaker 2: of the Bigfoot Network of Ohio, but that was purely
Speaker 2: phone and email. There was no physical persons. And they
Speaker 2: were leading me to one or two different places up
Speaker 2: here on the mountain and Chestnut Ridge that they knew about,
Speaker 2: but no one. I had no one to communicate about
Speaker 2: in a personal way about Bigfoot. But when Matt Moneymaker
Speaker 2: put the big BFRO website together in ninety five, I
Speaker 2: found it, like in ninety six, and I submitted Brady's report.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't do it because I contacted him and I said, Brady,
Speaker 2: are you willing? Because I contacted two of the early
Speaker 2: members of the BFRO who were living in Washington, and
Speaker 2: they were a man and White team and they were
Speaker 2: very eager to hear about Brady's experience and encounter, and
Speaker 2: Brady wouldn't talk to him. So I said, do you
Speaker 2: give me your permission to share your story with them?
Speaker 2: And he said, you do whatever you want. I don't
Speaker 2: want to think about it anymore. But he wouldn't talk
Speaker 2: about it ever. So that's how it it up. If
Speaker 2: you go on the BFLO website under reports, and go
Speaker 2: to South Carolina and go to Kershaw County, you'll find
Speaker 2: a B report. Because I submitted it instead of Brady,
Speaker 2: they call it a B report, and there was now another.
Speaker 2: That's why when you I kind of got excited when
Speaker 2: you had your guest on the other day for Newbery
Speaker 2: in Lake Murray. Because again, now as the road, as
Speaker 2: the road goes, it's sixty miles to where Brady had
Speaker 2: his encounter from Lake Murray and Newbery, but as the
Speaker 2: crew flies across the country, it's only like twenty two
Speaker 2: miles from Newberry to water Ree, and it's only like
Speaker 2: twenty five miles from Lake Murray to Water Reed. So
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of reports over the years that
Speaker 2: we've had internets and Bigfoot websites groups develop that's come
Speaker 2: out of that area. So there's a I think there's
Speaker 2: a healthy population a Bigfoot in that area, although we
Speaker 2: know just from our experience up here, we think they
Speaker 2: do migrate for food or maybe they do that to
Speaker 2: say to stay out of sight. If they have a
Speaker 2: tribe or whatever you want to call them, a group
Speaker 2: of them. If they start populating too explicitly, eventually too
Speaker 2: many people are going to see them, so they got
Speaker 2: to spread out, or they've got to divide and move
Speaker 2: out of a given area. Too much activity start showing up,
Speaker 2: even if it doesn't get close to home, the den,
Speaker 2: or wherever they're homesteading, they know that it's just a
Speaker 2: matter of time some human is going to get too close,
Speaker 2: so they can only avoid human interaction by moving around
Speaker 2: and maybe coming back to that location at a later date.
Speaker 2: At least that's my concept and feelings.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I want to kind of circle back
Speaker 1: to something real quick. Do you remember the gentleman's name
Speaker 1: who owned that gift shop museum up there?
Speaker 2: I had it in my notes and I cannot find it.
Speaker 2: He's no longer up there, no longer it's sold because
Speaker 2: there's another guy that owns it now. And I wrote him.
Speaker 2: He was on YouTube, I guess is where I saw
Speaker 2: him at, and he didn't respond to me. I wanted
Speaker 2: to know if he had interacted, but I heard the
Speaker 2: guy died that I had interacted with, and now the
Speaker 2: helicopter guy I believe as the same guy died, so
Speaker 2: there's nobody up there that I interacted with, which I'm
Speaker 2: very sad, and I'm sad I mean, you gotta realize
Speaker 2: my lifestyle when I was out there was it was unimaginable.
Speaker 2: I had all these guys who were pilots. I had
Speaker 2: two guys that had sailboat fishing boats that had me
Speaker 2: out in the river still had fishing. If I wasn't flying,
Speaker 2: and if I wasn't hiking and doing horseback riding on
Speaker 2: the down at Cannon Beach and surfsids Beach and that story.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't doing stuff like that, I was doing
Speaker 2: my But I didn't have as much free time. Plus
Speaker 2: we worked on backsides off trying to do the modifications
Speaker 2: that we were doing in the plant at the time.
Speaker 2: So I was working average fifty hours a week, sometimes
Speaker 2: sixty hours a week. But I made time, fortunately to
Speaker 2: enjoy my life out there, and Bigfoot got factored in.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even one of my planned activities out there
Speaker 2: when I went out there. It's like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: enjoy the Pacific Northwest and see what the heck gets
Speaker 2: all about. Never thinking I was going to bring Bigfoot
Speaker 2: research into the mix of my activities, but I had
Speaker 2: no choice. After I met this guy and he's telling
Speaker 2: me all this stuff that went on out there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I had to be part of it.
Speaker 1: When you were out there, did you do you think
Speaker 1: you at any time got close to a bigfoot or
Speaker 1: had a sighting or anything like that, or was it
Speaker 1: more you're starting to get into at that point.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't recall anything that had any visual
Speaker 2: that I can obtain or No. There were near area
Speaker 2: that I went into that I said I was close to.
Speaker 2: Were the report that you did with the gentleman. I
Speaker 2: have a feeling if there was as many in there
Speaker 2: as he claimed, I was being watched, But I had no.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a feeling of it. I mean, I
Speaker 2: knew I was in nature, and I knew they got
Speaker 2: the they got animals that will attack you out there.
Speaker 2: They got mountain lions, and they've got well they didn't
Speaker 2: have grizzly bears back then, but I thought these bears
Speaker 2: are more aggressive than what we have in South and
Speaker 2: North Carolina. So I was very cautious. So I had
Speaker 2: that apprehension, like because I didn't carry a weapon out there,
Speaker 2: even though I did have my forty four bag, I
Speaker 2: didn't carry that. When I went in the woods. I
Speaker 2: had bear, I mean not bear fray. I had pepper
Speaker 2: pepper spray, military canisters of pepper spray on both of
Speaker 2: my hips, and a hunting knife on my on my belt.
Speaker 1: Big for a society who will be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 2: And that's all I took when I went in the
Speaker 2: woods back then up there, I didn't take my gun
Speaker 2: in the woods, gud. I didn't have a carry permit,
Speaker 2: being that I was a non resident. I was, you know,
Speaker 2: a yeah, a worker, and I couldn't obtain a carrying
Speaker 2: permit like I can here in Pennsylvania at all. So
Speaker 2: I was very cautious, knowing, hey, any moment something could
Speaker 2: come elk or something could come tearing out the woods
Speaker 2: and attack me. I was just caustable. I never saw
Speaker 2: a felt bigfoot when I was out there, which is
Speaker 2: like I said, if you run the clock ahead, run
Speaker 2: the calendar ahead to when I came up here in
Speaker 2: ninety two and then started exploring southwestern Pennsylvania and section
Speaker 2: of Ohio and West Virginia, I would have been a
Speaker 2: different person out there if it would have just been
Speaker 2: less than ten more years, which actually I can only
Speaker 2: say really eight ninety nine when I met when I
Speaker 2: got in touch with the people from Bigfoot Research and
Speaker 2: then I there was two there was three groups, well,
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot Network Resource Organization. They didn't help me very
Speaker 2: much with how to be a researcher. They just told
Speaker 2: me where to go and look for tracks and listen
Speaker 2: for and if I smell or see anything unusual, just
Speaker 2: keep a do a ledger. I always took a notebook
Speaker 2: with me, a little spiral notebook, and they said, anything
Speaker 2: you see her here, just write it down, call us
Speaker 2: let us know. Okay. These two guys were Kent State
Speaker 2: University professors who had grown up in Fayette County, owned
Speaker 2: up at the area where a lot of activity has
Speaker 2: happened over the years, and they had had encounters and
Speaker 2: they had always had an interest in but Bigfoot since
Speaker 2: as teenagers when they went out hunting, had had encounters
Speaker 2: in Fayette County up on the mountain, and when they
Speaker 2: went to Kent State where they were professors at they
Speaker 2: still had an interest in Bigfoot, but they didn't pursue
Speaker 2: it until the Internet came out, and that's when they
Speaker 2: created the Bigfoot Network of Ohio. But they didn't have
Speaker 2: any active members that were gathering physically to go to
Speaker 2: areas and I became there. When I contacted them, they said,
Speaker 2: you're going to be our Pittsburgh connection. If we get
Speaker 2: any reports, if we know about anything activity wise, we'll
Speaker 2: call you. You'll get the information and the witness name
Speaker 2: that they're willing to meet with you, and if you
Speaker 2: want to explore that area, we'll tell you how to
Speaker 2: get to it. So I was in ninety eight, in
Speaker 2: ninety nine and I got two or three good reports,
Speaker 2: but nothing developed, and I still didn't know enough about
Speaker 2: bigfoot research. He said, Hey, if i'm bumping myself along
Speaker 2: up here, in something steps out throughs a rock at me,
Speaker 2: which I didn't even think about rocks then until later,
Speaker 2: But I just figured, hey, if they're here, i'll know
Speaker 2: they're here. Theyn't let me know they're here. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how difficult it is to enhance or intrigue bigfoot
Speaker 2: wanting to contact you. I'll be physically made aware of
Speaker 2: your presence and its presence. But anyway, in ninety nine,
Speaker 2: the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization gf GCBRO came online
Speaker 2: and they had a contact point on there. Didn't know
Speaker 2: any of these people. They were in Kentucky and Tennessee
Speaker 2: and all the way down in the Louisiana. The two founders,
Speaker 2: one was in Louisiana and one was in Tennessee, which
Speaker 2: was Mary Green. I don't know how old you are,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what you know or ever heard
Speaker 2: her name mentioned, but she was a renowned on the
Speaker 2: East Coast anyway, a renowned Bigfoot researcher, and she had
Speaker 2: had her and her group in Tennessee had had several
Speaker 2: encounters and they that's why they were in the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: website and research because they wanted to collect other people's
Speaker 2: reports and try to figure out something about these get
Speaker 2: some connectivity, some confirmation of what other people were researching
Speaker 2: and finding. So I emailed her and she ended up
Speaker 2: wanting to talk to me, So we ended up making
Speaker 2: we became friends. She was older than me by a lot,
Speaker 2: by a very nice lady, and she was willing to
Speaker 2: share her information on what they were doing as research efforts,
Speaker 2: what kind of they were baiting, what kind of food items,
Speaker 2: what were they doing, and what were they getting results
Speaker 2: of And the one she was telling me, they were
Speaker 2: using garlic and onions and that was the most effective
Speaker 2: thing that they could bait and get the bigfoot to
Speaker 2: come together. They seemed to have some real real interest
Speaker 2: in garlic and onions spicy like that or something with
Speaker 2: a rich flavor. So I was trying that and she
Speaker 2: was kind of coaching me and say, and then she
Speaker 2: said her teenage son and her had an encounter with
Speaker 2: two of them. He brought his boombox and he was
Speaker 2: into like AC DC, Metallica and all of that, and
Speaker 2: she even cared for that. She like country, I think
Speaker 2: if I remember, and she was critiquing him, but he
Speaker 2: was playing his rock music, putting his boombox up on
Speaker 2: top of the jeep that she had, and they were
Speaker 2: in this isolated area where they had already had some
Speaker 2: other activity before this, and two of these things come.
Speaker 2: They watched them come down the side of the hill,
Speaker 2: a big one in a medium size one, and they
Speaker 2: never came down close enough to really be right in
Speaker 2: front of them, but they were like rocking back and
Speaker 2: forth on behind a tree, and they were staying there
Speaker 2: for a couple of hours while this music is booming
Speaker 2: out across the woodlands. I did never try that. I
Speaker 2: had guys that wanted to do guitar guitars on the
Speaker 2: outline night outings. But I didn't do the boom box.
Speaker 2: But she said that was effective for their bigfoot, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it was going to be for everybody's big foot.
Speaker 2: And then she asked me, and late to ninety nine,
Speaker 2: two thousand, she said, Dwayne, have you been noticing any
Speaker 2: tree structures, any stack trees, tree stackings, or anything interwoven?
Speaker 2: And I said, Mary, where I go the woods that
Speaker 2: I go in? I said, but here in southern of
Speaker 2: southwestern Pennsylvania. I said, we get a lot of ice,
Speaker 2: a lot of windstorms, and these trees are very brittle.
Speaker 2: And I said there is bad fault everywhere. I said, no,
Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to any of that. She said,
Speaker 2: just do me a favor next time you're in the woods.
Speaker 2: Just and she sent me some pictures of what she
Speaker 2: was talking about, which one was a big X and
Speaker 2: another one was the tripod was a little tripod. And
Speaker 2: I said, sure, if I get in the woods soon,
Speaker 2: I'll start paying attention. There was a place called Pine
Speaker 2: Ridge State Park. That's where I sent you some pictures from,
Speaker 2: and I had been I knew about this place because
Speaker 2: we had golf tournaments at the country club down the
Speaker 2: street from there which bordered this area, and it was
Speaker 2: very intriguing to me because I just thought it was
Speaker 2: a beautiful wooded area and this was the headway of
Speaker 2: the Chestnut Ridge. It started in Blairsville in this Pine
Speaker 2: Ridge State Park and then that merged into the game lands,
Speaker 2: which was Chestnut Ridge. Well, I had been just for
Speaker 2: entertainment purposes, just for loving nature, had been clear walking
Speaker 2: that area and enjoying the beauty of it. Hadn't seen
Speaker 2: really anything that made me think Bigfoot was even there.
Speaker 2: But that was one of my spots that I enjoyed
Speaker 2: going out on Sunday or Saturday hikes until Mary tells
Speaker 2: me to look for tree stuff. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how just by incidents. I went out like a week
Speaker 2: after our phone our phone call, and I'm walking one
Speaker 2: of the pathways that I had previously done two or
Speaker 2: three or four times over a several month period, and
Speaker 2: I'm looking and off to the left, I see what
Speaker 2: I can only say is a symmetrical stacking of trees
Speaker 2: that were about three to four inches in diameter, about
Speaker 2: four feet in length, stacked symmetrically around the base of
Speaker 2: a tree. And I'm like, Okay, maybe some kids did
Speaker 2: that because it was off the footpath I was on.
Speaker 2: But it was off in the kind of brushy, kind
Speaker 2: of thirty nasty little places. Nobody really would have wanted
Speaker 2: to do this for the heck of it, for fun
Speaker 2: and ninety, including me. Had I not heard her ask
Speaker 2: me to start looking for things, I would have just
Speaker 2: walked right pyot and ignored it and never paid any
Speaker 2: attention to it. So I went over and I took
Speaker 2: some pictures, and I thought, okay, wait, do I show
Speaker 2: this to Mary? So I go over with my height.
Speaker 2: I do like two or three more miles, and I
Speaker 2: didn't see too much of anything in press of the
Speaker 2: rest of that little two or three miles. And I
Speaker 2: come back around where the power line is the firebreak,
Speaker 2: and I see what looked like some twists, a little
Speaker 2: twisted saplings, and I thought, well, there's got to be kids,
Speaker 2: but they were just not looking like kids would have done.
Speaker 2: And I didn't see any footprints, But it was it
Speaker 2: was kind of as Jeff Mildram says about the substrate.
Speaker 2: The soil. The substrate was very conpounded that actually had
Speaker 2: cold like a coal pile of coal had been there,
Speaker 2: and there was no way anything was going to leaving
Speaker 2: a deep impression, so I didn't think much. Took a
Speaker 2: couple of pictures and that was like on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: That was the weekend, and it was a Sunday, and
Speaker 2: this is in February, and I didn't think about it,
Speaker 2: So it was like a week. Two weeks went by.
Speaker 2: I went back there because we had had a windstorm
Speaker 2: and we had had ice in the area, so I
Speaker 2: really knew I was going to probably see a lot
Speaker 2: of down trees. And when I got back, I did
Speaker 2: the same to start with, I did the same footpath
Speaker 2: the trail coming where my car was at in the
Speaker 2: parking lot. And the week two weeks before I had
Speaker 2: been there, there was nothing out there other than these
Speaker 2: things I just described a second ago, and I'm going
Speaker 2: up this trailhead to go back into Chestnut Ridge into
Speaker 2: the game lands, and something had took all these tree lambs.
Speaker 2: That's what one of the pictures I sent to you.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a natural. It looks like a big
Speaker 2: dream catcher. They had taken all these two three inch
Speaker 2: diameter trees and limbs and brought them over on the
Speaker 2: trailhead that I had gone up that earlier, two weeks earlier,
Speaker 2: and they had intricately twisted them inside of each art
Speaker 2: so that they were the width of the trail and
Speaker 2: about the height that I am about six ft. I'm
Speaker 2: six to two, and it was about the same hike
Speaker 2: is me and it was all delicate stuff. But they
Speaker 2: had made a screen, a fence, a barricade across the trail,
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, what the heck? Who did this?
Speaker 2: What kind of irritated me? Again, I'm just still an end.
Speaker 2: I was just a novice. I mean, I was just
Speaker 2: still learning and hoping that something was going to give
Speaker 2: me something. And I just tore it apart. I usually
Speaker 2: don't do that. I don't do it now because it's bad.
Speaker 2: Things happen when you tear their structures down. They don't
Speaker 2: like that if they're still in the area. So I
Speaker 2: tore it down, threw it off to the side and
Speaker 2: kind of laughed it off and said, hey, I let
Speaker 2: me see that they like that, and they see if
Speaker 2: it comes back. So I did my hike out two
Speaker 2: or three miles a couple hours, and I'm not seeing
Speaker 2: too much of anything. And I come back this time
Speaker 2: walking following there's a spring fed Creek. It's a stream
Speaker 2: that runs at the base of the hill mountain and
Speaker 2: I'm hiking on the trail. I'm off and if you
Speaker 2: go left, it goes over to the Polo Line firebreak,
Speaker 2: and this stream falls parallel with the firebreak, and I'm
Speaker 2: following that and I find some oreld trees pulled over,
Speaker 2: but they were bigger trees this time. They were snapped
Speaker 2: and twisted from about three to four inches off the
Speaker 2: ground and something had just obliterated them. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it was, but it didn't look like wind damage
Speaker 2: compared to other natural stuff. And that's when instead of
Speaker 2: going all the way down to the furthest distance before
Speaker 2: I would have cut back left and come back into
Speaker 2: the parking lot, I decided to take a cut through,
Speaker 2: and that would have got me back to the first
Speaker 2: path where i'd started out at. And that's probably about
Speaker 2: I don't know, three four hundred yards through the woods,
Speaker 2: maybe somewhere in that distance, and it's pretty dense, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot of down trees. And that's when
Speaker 2: I came up on those shelters, and I have to
Speaker 2: call them shelters. They were primitive looking, something like I
Speaker 2: would have built as a kid. But it didn't look
Speaker 2: like anything, and it shouldn't have been any adults in
Speaker 2: their building or kids. But there's no houses around this park,
Speaker 2: and nobody's ever there. I mean back in those days,
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and ninety nine, there was nobody ever.
Speaker 2: I never ran into a soul in this park anytime
Speaker 2: I was there, weekday or weekend. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: So I'm studying this one that was just some stacked
Speaker 2: wood up against a tree that had been turned over,
Speaker 2: and it was like a leing to blind and I
Speaker 2: go up and I'm looking at because by now I'm
Speaker 2: starting to get the ideas of what you're supposed to
Speaker 2: look at, so I'm looking for human activity. There was
Speaker 2: no gum wrappers, no cigarette butts or paper, no boot tracks,
Speaker 2: there was no sign of anything that had been there
Speaker 2: to make that wing to I'm taking pictures, thinking about it,
Speaker 2: writing it down in a little notebook, thinking I'm going
Speaker 2: to send this to Mary. She's going to get a
Speaker 2: kick out of this. And I walk about another fifty
Speaker 2: feet and that's when I see the one that's complete,
Speaker 2: that looks like the size of a pup tent made
Speaker 2: out of the stacked sticks logs that had been there
Speaker 2: had been a full grown tree. Something had taken the
Speaker 2: root base and wedged it down in the fork of
Speaker 2: another tree and left the tipped end of it down
Speaker 2: on the ground. And they had taken the stacked the sticks,
Speaker 2: the logs and stacked them all the way down and
Speaker 2: then kind of intricate and then twisted them together at
Speaker 2: the back of it. And I'm looking at this thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, somebody, maybe primitive campers had done this,
Speaker 2: or somebody that was having fun. Well, I took my
Speaker 2: pictures and I'm walking. I did like a three sixty
Speaker 2: around it, and I just spread out another twenty feet
Speaker 2: and did another three sixty just to see if I
Speaker 2: could find any tracks. I couldn't find any. So I'm
Speaker 2: getting intrigued by it because i want to see what's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of curious how big this thing
Speaker 2: did It looked like I could fit inside of it.
Speaker 2: And sure enough, I take and again, this is February,
Speaker 2: and it was probably it was below freezing. We're talking
Speaker 2: like twenty eight twenty nine degrees, but it was cold.
Speaker 2: And I get I take my backpack off and I
Speaker 2: drop my gear, take my coat off and I get
Speaker 2: down and do like a commando crawl. It was actually
Speaker 2: big enough that I could have just crawled in easy
Speaker 2: on hands and feet. It wasn't that that tight, and
Speaker 2: I crawled up inside this thing. It ended up being
Speaker 2: tons of room inside. I had another two feet above
Speaker 2: my head and plenty of elbow space.
Speaker 1: Big for a society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Well, that was all cool, But when I come out
Speaker 2: of it, that's when I got this feeling of dread.
Speaker 2: And I've only had this happen twice to me in
Speaker 2: the woods, but it felt like something didn't want me there,
Speaker 2: or something was going to make bad things happen for me.
Speaker 4: And I come out and I'm standing there doing a
Speaker 4: spin around, stared in the hillsides above me and back
Speaker 4: toward the other lean to and I'm not seeing anything, but.
Speaker 2: The woods were denominal that we talk now quiet. There
Speaker 2: was no sound of any sort. I mean, suddenly it
Speaker 2: goes from I'm hearing one bird over here, which sounded
Speaker 2: like and I heard a crow all in the day
Speaker 2: I had been up there. I just hurt one or
Speaker 2: two birds because it was a clear, sunny day. You
Speaker 2: though it was February. I heard a couple of different birds,
Speaker 2: but this particular time it was that you're e quiet,
Speaker 2: And as I'm standing there getting this weird oppressive feeling,
Speaker 2: I started itching like somebody had poured itching powder on me.
Speaker 2: I felt like my skin was being eaten. And all
Speaker 2: I can think of, and I have no proof of
Speaker 2: it because you can't see it. I think there was
Speaker 2: a living animal and I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: a bail or a bigfoot in that space I had
Speaker 2: just crawled into, but I think I had mites on
Speaker 2: my body and I was itching like something crazy, to
Speaker 2: the point I had to go home. I'm going to
Speaker 2: take two showers to get it over of me. It
Speaker 2: was a miserable feeling, but I was head to toe itching,
Speaker 2: and I believe a bigfoot or something was height. It
Speaker 2: was in that dwelling, and I think these mites were
Speaker 2: own it because it was the living host. And then
Speaker 2: when it escaped out of there to misseeing me or
Speaker 2: me seeing it, I must have been the next host
Speaker 2: that had decided to get on and that was horrible.
Speaker 2: So now I'm feeling this oppressive feeling and I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on, and I can't hear or see
Speaker 2: anything at that moment that makes me think there's some
Speaker 2: reason to get the heck out of there. So I
Speaker 2: put my gear back on and I'm going to walk
Speaker 2: over where a whole lot of trees have fallen. And
Speaker 2: that's where that one picture you have, you can study
Speaker 2: it later. It's another tree that's been pushed down, and
Speaker 2: you can tell where something had scraped out about five
Speaker 2: foot in length, about two feet deep and about three
Speaker 2: feet wide under this fallen log. A little somebody, a
Speaker 2: little person could go in and crawl in under that
Speaker 2: and hide. And what got my attention was is what
Speaker 2: you see in that one picture. Something with claws or
Speaker 2: sharp fingernails had gouged out the dead tree on top
Speaker 2: of this this scooped out area. And again we're in
Speaker 2: February and twenty something degree weather, and these termite larva
Speaker 2: were crawling around in this scooped out area. So something
Speaker 2: was trying to get to these termites in the middle
Speaker 2: of winter, which is not normal. So that's a bizarre
Speaker 2: situation for me to find those shelters that had never
Speaker 2: been seen by me. And I went back and I
Speaker 2: did share them with Mary, and she was amazed. And
Speaker 2: then I come back a couple of weeks later and
Speaker 2: all but one of those were knocked down. They were gone,
Speaker 2: something had knocked them down, but the one I had
Speaker 2: crawled in was still in place. As I'm leaving this
Speaker 2: particular time, I was back to my car, the park
Speaker 2: ranger drove in. I had never seen him before, and
Speaker 2: by coincidence, he pulls in and he was an older fellow,
Speaker 2: and I go over and have a chat with him,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this whole ordeal to him and he's
Speaker 2: just standing there looking at me. He says, well, that's
Speaker 2: wrong right there. He said, no one is allowed, no
Speaker 2: overnight camping, no hunting, no anything is allowed in this
Speaker 2: park after dark. He said, I'll go back and check
Speaker 2: and make note of it. But he said, trust me,
Speaker 2: there's no primitive campers here. If they are, they're breaking
Speaker 2: the wall. He said, there's kids camping, they're breaking the wall.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to go back and make note
Speaker 2: of it. But he said, yeah, there's no one that
Speaker 2: should be legally in this park after dark. So that's
Speaker 2: that was a big introduction for me into my research
Speaker 2: in Chestnut Ridge, and and Mary introduced me to Stan Gordon.
Speaker 2: She knew of him through conversations with people she had
Speaker 2: learned through the Internet, and I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2: We didn't have any body local that I was aware
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot all the five years six years i'd already
Speaker 2: been here, So I was basically independent on my own,
Speaker 2: just doing the best I could, hoping something if it
Speaker 2: was as many reports as the guys from Kent State
Speaker 2: were saying that, hey, Pennsylvania has a good history of Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't find any written reports to back up
Speaker 2: what they were saying verbally. So I was just out
Speaker 2: there in the areas that they kind of gave me
Speaker 2: hints to go to and hoping something would make itself present.
Speaker 2: But then I met Stan and I met the Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Society, and I became a member, and they introduced
Speaker 2: me to some hotspots own Chestnut Ridge, and that's where
Speaker 2: a lot of activity that I was involved in or
Speaker 2: followed up on active investigations within days or hours following
Speaker 2: uh following that, that's where it all kicked off at
Speaker 2: I was, and then, like I said, I sent you
Speaker 2: a paper of documentation and of some of the activities
Speaker 2: that I pursued and wanted. I really was intrigued by
Speaker 2: because again a lot of these people other people. At
Speaker 2: the time, there was no Internet sites like there are
Speaker 2: now to use for reference. There was no conferences, there
Speaker 2: were no of until two thousand and five was the
Speaker 2: first time I ever went to a conference in Ohio
Speaker 2: and met other people that were like minded. Before that
Speaker 2: and before the Pennsylvania Big for Society, I didn't really
Speaker 2: have anybody but Mary in Tennessee. She was from Higby, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: which is northern up near Daniel Boone's National Force, which
Speaker 2: is where she had some encounters at the Radowski Brothers
Speaker 2: were up in Fayette County, which I hadn't even ventured
Speaker 2: up to yet. I didn't know about those locations, so
Speaker 2: I'm just in other places. Later there was activity occurred
Speaker 2: in those places. The two thousand and three the January three,
Speaker 2: that one was really an amazing event for me and
Speaker 2: three other guys. We went up to top of Dairy Ridge,
Speaker 2: which is the third or fourth highest elevation in Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: and on the east probably like the seventh highest elevation
Speaker 2: in the East Coast. It's a twenty six hundred and
Speaker 2: ten feet elevation. I believe where we were at that
Speaker 2: we had our well, we now have an encounter, but
Speaker 2: we had evidence that we know was a big foot.
Speaker 2: It had snowed really really big, and one of the
Speaker 2: guys had a jeep Cherokee scout and no, it was
Speaker 2: a chief. It was a Cherokee chief that was a beast,
Speaker 2: had the big eighties cylinder engine, knobby tires. That was
Speaker 2: the only reason we made it to the top of
Speaker 2: the mountain because we were driving eight nine inches of
Speaker 2: snow and we get up to the fire tower, the
Speaker 2: abandoned fire tower at the top, and we all get
Speaker 2: out and we're standing up to almost our knees in
Speaker 2: about fifteen inches of snow, and we spread out, and
Speaker 2: all of these guys were bigfoot research guys, had been
Speaker 2: doing it for several years with the PBS, and they
Speaker 2: were very smart about their background. One guy actually had
Speaker 2: navigated been the mapping navigating guy for this whole for
Speaker 2: like twenty five one hundred acres back in the sixties.
Speaker 2: In the early seventies, he had mapped this area for
Speaker 2: the landowners and later for the Game Commission, so he
Speaker 2: knew and he had had several big foot encounters over
Speaker 2: those years. He knew that area like the back of
Speaker 2: his hand, so hey, he was up there with us.
Speaker 2: Another guy was I think he was here. He was
Speaker 2: a Native American and full blooded and we had him
Speaker 2: there in case we had something he needed. And it
Speaker 2: was good he was with us because the tracks we
Speaker 2: found he confirmed them. And then the other guy was
Speaker 2: just a regular researcher that had been doing it years
Speaker 2: before me, and it was a little older than me.
Speaker 2: So we get out and we right out of the air,
Speaker 2: right out of the car, we find what we later
Speaker 2: discovered was ninety nine percent sure it was cougar tracks.
Speaker 2: They were three and a half inch diameter, big as
Speaker 2: your fist, basically a loose fist, and they were about
Speaker 2: three and a half footr lint between the rear left
Speaker 2: rear and the front right. And we followed these tracks
Speaker 2: off the top of the mountain, and we knew it
Speaker 2: was a cougar because there was a distinctive two inch
Speaker 2: drag mark in that snow at periods of time where
Speaker 2: it was letting its tail down in the snow. So
Speaker 2: we're following this cougar down what we believed the cougar
Speaker 2: down this fire break off the top of the mountain
Speaker 2: to a logging road, and when we get down to
Speaker 2: the logging road, which is probably a good hundred yards
Speaker 2: down this hillside the slope, suddenly the cougar tracks just
Speaker 2: vanish in the thin air. We're walking along on the
Speaker 2: logging trail watching these cougar tracks and they just disappear
Speaker 2: in the thin air, and we're all standing there like, well,
Speaker 2: where does thee thing go? He kind of just vanished.
Speaker 2: And so we spread out and the best we could
Speaker 2: in this thick snow and just general knowledge it was
Speaker 2: all around us. We're walking in the diameter around these
Speaker 2: last tracks we have visual of and one of the
Speaker 2: guy's spots, it turns out the best big foot tracks
Speaker 2: any of us had ever seen. It was seventeen by
Speaker 2: eight and a half wide, seventeen length. You could see
Speaker 2: the distinctive toe marks, you could see the footprint, and
Speaker 2: it was so heavy, and it was walking parallel with
Speaker 2: the trail with the logging road. It was off to
Speaker 2: the side in the grunge in the fifteen plus inches
Speaker 2: of snow, and it was so heavy that it was
Speaker 2: crushing the snow down to about an inch two inches
Speaker 2: to the ground. And when it was stepping. We measured
Speaker 2: all this and I actually tried to recreate it. It
Speaker 2: was stepping about four and a half feet to the
Speaker 2: next right foot track to the left foot track was
Speaker 2: a distinctive four and a half foot stride, and it
Speaker 2: was crushing. Every one of its steps were the same
Speaker 2: from its successive weight, and it didn't lead drag marks.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: It didn't do anything that normal. Because I'm six to two,
Speaker 2: and I if I really try to stretch my legs
Speaker 2: on the road in clear conditions, I can stretch almost
Speaker 2: two and a half feet two in my younger days
Speaker 2: two and a half to three foot, But that's almost
Speaker 2: like jumping into my next step. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't bring my foot up out of that track
Speaker 2: without a drag mark. I couldn't pick my legs straight
Speaker 2: up and put my foot over or anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 2: I couldn't imitate that walk for any So we followed
Speaker 2: these sets of this trackway. We took pictures. I can
Speaker 2: actually send you one of the pictures, and we followed
Speaker 2: it for about I say, two hundred yards eighth of
Speaker 2: a mile whatever it's come without too But we walked
Speaker 2: and followed this trackway and we all knew this area
Speaker 2: because we were up there a lot, and they had
Speaker 2: been up there a lot since ninety nine before I
Speaker 2: met them. But when I was with them, we were
Speaker 2: up there several times from two thousand to two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, in the period of time during summer, fall,
Speaker 2: other good months, not in the snow. This was the
Speaker 2: first time, I mean, boy had made the venture up
Speaker 2: there in the extreme weather. So we get out to
Speaker 2: where this suddenly we're in an open area. It's like
Speaker 2: a glade. It's like the size of maybe four living rooms,
Speaker 2: five living rooms. It's like a twenty by twenty five
Speaker 2: times in this grassy, tall grass area, very pretty in
Speaker 2: the summer when it grows up. And as we're getting
Speaker 2: into that, the tracks just vanished. They just stopped. It
Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere. And then this would people like, hold,
Speaker 2: maybe it backed up in its own tracks. I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's no way that it backed up in those tracks,
Speaker 2: as perfect as those tracks are. I said, it just stopped.
Speaker 2: And then that's where you got these people that want
Speaker 2: to start talking about quantum physics or portals or UFOs.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was never a believer of that, but
Speaker 2: I'm not a person to challenge anything I can't prove otherwise,
Speaker 2: and I don't want anybody challenging my research that I've
Speaker 2: been able to accomplish, So I try to be as
Speaker 2: professional and diplomatic as I can when something like that happens.
Speaker 2: But I witnessed that with my own eyes. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is amazing. And unfortunately we couldn't cast anything back
Speaker 2: then because they didn't have anything that would hold together
Speaker 2: and form a cast in snow. In two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: the military and the law enforcement did, but the public
Speaker 2: had not received that product until I think it was
Speaker 2: twenty can or twenty thirteen that something came out, because
Speaker 2: Jeff Meldrum is the one who told me later when
Speaker 2: I met him. Into met him at Cabbulas at another
Speaker 2: event we had. He in twenty I think it was
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, he said there was now a spray that
Speaker 2: would freeze hardened snow that the military and law enforcement
Speaker 2: had used. It's called snow blow or snow something, and
Speaker 2: it's in a spray can and it will freeze the
Speaker 2: particles of snow around the track so that you can
Speaker 2: cast it. Because when the the track's dry and it's
Speaker 2: creating heat. It's a it's a friction, so it melts
Speaker 2: the snow. But he said, this stuff is it's like
Speaker 2: liquid nitrogen or spray nitrogen. And he says it's so
Speaker 2: cold it'll keep the snow condensed so that you get
Speaker 2: a decent track out of it. But we haven't got
Speaker 2: a chance to try it out that I know of.
Speaker 2: So that's another one for.
Speaker 1: You, Dwayne. Absolutely incredible that. So I'm gonna I'm going
Speaker 1: to use an analogy, which sometimes this gets me in trouble,
Speaker 1: but let me just hear me out that this is
Speaker 1: the highest compliment big for society will be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages. Okay, you have been involved with so
Speaker 1: many amazing things, and it's like you just kind of
Speaker 1: are going through Bigfoot history and just meeting this person
Speaker 1: in this person. The only thing that comes close is
Speaker 1: the movie Forrest Gump, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he kind of.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, And I'm just thinking, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: he has been the stuff that you've got, like Mount
Speaker 1: Saint Helen stuff. But then you're also like doing Chestnut
Speaker 1: Ridge and Stan Gordon and it's such a such a cool,
Speaker 1: cool thing, and I think, you know, I would love
Speaker 1: to have you back on the show at a later date.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at a list of different encounters
Speaker 1: that you reports that you took over the years, and
Speaker 1: there's more than a few on here that I would
Speaker 1: love to know more info about. And I think definitely
Speaker 1: it warrants you coming back on the show if you
Speaker 1: would be interested in that at a later time.
Speaker 2: I would be very pleased to come back and thank
Speaker 2: you for a second invite. I would love to go.
Speaker 2: I've got six seven hours of material that's my material
Speaker 2: that I personally, you haven't even heard of, my lock throwing,
Speaker 2: encounters in my tree, being pushed over in the wood
Speaker 2: knocks and all the things that were in my face
Speaker 2: type stuff. I mean you, I can turn the whole
Speaker 2: table and get away from the historical stuff and tell
Speaker 2: you personal stuff. It'll blow your socks off.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to get there for sure, Dwayne,
Speaker 1: And man, is there a way that people can keep
Speaker 1: up to date with what you're doing? Are you one
Speaker 1: of these guys that are kind of in the shadows
Speaker 1: and when you get out and start talking, people are wow.
Speaker 2: I was very much. I was very much a shadow
Speaker 2: guy for years, letting other people share my experiences, and
Speaker 2: I was fine with that, and I only come out
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. I was the first time I really did,
Speaker 2: or twenty seventeen. I'm sorry twenty seventeen that I did
Speaker 2: a podcast with small Town Monsters, another group that does
Speaker 2: exactly what you're doing. It's that they do have a
Speaker 2: lot of boots on the ground type experience. But I
Speaker 2: was willing to come forward because the guys encouraged me.
Speaker 2: He said, wait, you've got to tell some of your
Speaker 2: stuff to somebody. You can't keep it hidden all this time.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, all right, that's fine. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: started doing podcasts or documentaries in that case in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I've done probably six or seven since then. And that's
Speaker 2: why I'm very intrigued to do yours, because I like
Speaker 2: how your audience, how your followers are very informed and
Speaker 2: very professional. They they don't bash people like me that
Speaker 2: have I can't help I have experiences I have. It
Speaker 2: just seems to drop in my lap. I wish I knew,
Speaker 2: because the other thing is so frustrating is are not
Speaker 2: frustrating but interesting is I go looking for bigfoot to
Speaker 2: get immigration and evidence on bigfoot, and I end up
Speaker 2: with all these strangers, which is the thing. It is.
Speaker 2: That's a want of tile, a strange, rare and unusual
Speaker 2: other events. And I could have a whole session on
Speaker 2: that because I've done presentations just on that element.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah, we try to keep things classy
Speaker 1: over here, and you know, see what we can learn
Speaker 1: from from different individuals that have had encounters. I think
Speaker 1: you can learn something from from anyone.
Speaker 2: So I'm good with anybody who wants to communicate. Anybody
Speaker 2: wants to reach out through your I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's going to be on YouTube or TikTok or however
Speaker 2: you're going to present this. I'm fine with anybody. I'm
Speaker 2: an open guy now, I talk to anyone on the
Speaker 2: same level I'm speaking with you. I give everybody the
Speaker 2: same respect, and I don't hold back. Now somebody starts
Speaker 2: challenging me in a very non professional way, I will
Speaker 2: shut them down because I don't want to be badgered
Speaker 2: by anybody. Tell them me he don't don't judge anyone
Speaker 2: that does this unless you're willing to come out and
Speaker 2: experience it for yourself. Because it's a different environment than
Speaker 2: sitting in your house looking at the computer. You there
Speaker 2: are unforl to a lot of people that want to
Speaker 2: grandstand and get up a publicity and they put they
Speaker 2: embellish their experience or they have none, and they they
Speaker 2: steal experiences like I've had a couple of stolen from
Speaker 2: me that people want to own for themselves. And it's
Speaker 2: probably my own fault that I've shared open, been too
Speaker 2: open with people and they ended up trying to own
Speaker 2: the uh own the experience then, and it wasn't them.
Speaker 2: Some of them had never even been in the woods before.
Speaker 2: So those I don't want to participate with. But anybody
Speaker 2: that has a genuine, sincere, honest interest, I'll be glad
Speaker 2: to talk with them for hours, take them to the
Speaker 2: points that I can take them to, and they will
Speaker 2: be amazed. I know they're going to be amazed.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Do you have an email address that people
Speaker 1: can reach out to at Dwayne.
Speaker 2: Or Yeah, it's my Yahoo account, one of them. It's
Speaker 2: my last name truncated. It's p I N T O
Speaker 2: F D E at yahoo dot com. That's the one
Speaker 2: I have on my business card. Okay, awesome, and they're
Speaker 2: more than welcome to send me a message. I'm on
Speaker 2: Facebook and Messenger and TikTok, and I love to talk
Speaker 2: about this stuff. And again, I have an open interest
Speaker 2: in all areas of cryptozoology, and I'm not so much
Speaker 2: in following UFOs and UAPs. That's another element that people
Speaker 2: sincerely followed. But I if I've had exposures and that
Speaker 2: one paper I sent you with the illuminated object, that's
Speaker 2: the only thing I got this close to a UFO,
Speaker 2: and I was out bigfooting when that happened. Wow, and
Speaker 2: that was very special. So I don't follow those other
Speaker 2: areas of interest as much as I did big food.
Speaker 1: Well, Dwayne, you've had some really interesting things happen so far.
Speaker 1: I could see you know you definitely are probably going
Speaker 1: to keep having things happen as well. But I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: We're definitely going to be in touch in having you
Speaker 1: back on again. But man, it's been a pleasure chatting
Speaker 1: with you today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, well, thank you, And I've had a pleasure
Speaker 2: talking with you as well, Jeremiah. Thank you for taking
Speaker 2: time to listen to me and to publish this out
Speaker 2: to your followers. And I hope, yeah, I look forward
Speaker 2: to another interview session with you in the future.
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