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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of talking to a bigfoot researcher you may have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of before. He is pretty well known. His name is

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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Pintoff. But it's a privilege to have on the show. Dwayne,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, how are you doing? Jeremiah. It's a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>meet you and have this interview with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I've been looking forward to chatting

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<v Speaker 1>with you for quite a while. Let's start out with

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<v Speaker 1>this before we get too far into it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I have a researchron, I like to know kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what was it that got you first into the

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot field to begin with? So I think let's start

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<v Speaker 1>there right at the beginning. What was it that got

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<v Speaker 1>you into this to begin with?

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<v Speaker 2>Dwaine, Well, there's a lot of people. I've had an

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<v Speaker 2>interest of fascination with the subject since the Patterson Gamwin

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<v Speaker 2>film was first released in the seventies, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>other things came through in search of and legend of

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<v Speaker 2>Boggy Creek. I mean, I had a fascination, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was as a teenager, a kid, and I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>was just Hollywood, you know, Hollywood boogeyman stuff until nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three. And I grew up in South Carolina, lived

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<v Speaker 2>in North and South Carolina through those through the early sixties, seventies, eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>in the early nineties, and in eighty three, I was

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<v Speaker 2>working in Georgetown, South Carolina, which is at the coast

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<v Speaker 2>between Myrtle Beach and Charleston, South Carolina, as a electrical

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<v Speaker 2>engineer field engineer on the paper on the International Paper Plant,

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<v Speaker 2>which was about an eight nine month project. Thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>people working there well. At that time, I lived a

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<v Speaker 2>three and a half hour trip from my home in

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<v Speaker 2>the foothills upper part of South Carolina, and we would

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<v Speaker 2>work thirteen days on ten twelve hour days and then

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<v Speaker 2>get two to three days off. Well, this particular weekend

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<v Speaker 2>in August of eighty three, my middle brother's father in

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<v Speaker 2>law was also an employee there. He was working as

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<v Speaker 2>a Union pipefitter, and both of us lived within miles

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<v Speaker 2>of each other back in the hills of Spartanburg County,

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<v Speaker 2>and this particular weekend, his name was Brady. He had

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<v Speaker 2>to take the same trip, the same commute points to

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<v Speaker 2>go home as I did. On this particular Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't come through. It was called Watery Recreation Area.

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<v Speaker 2>It's near the Sumter National Forest. It's about as the

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<v Speaker 2>Crow Flies. It's twenty five miles from Columbia, South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty miles north of Shaw Air Force Base. That

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<v Speaker 2>gives you the locality. It was very, very very isolated

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<v Speaker 2>in the early eighties. Swampland thick thick wilderness area, lots

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<v Speaker 2>of habitation, lots of wilderness wildlife. You had wild pigs, bears,

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<v Speaker 2>numerous deer, and all other indigenous animals living in here.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that time period, there wasn't hardly any commercialism

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<v Speaker 2>between the town of Camden and the town of Liberty Hill,

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<v Speaker 2>which was about a twenty mile stretch. And that's where

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<v Speaker 2>Brady had his initial account encounter as he was driving

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<v Speaker 2>home and he told me this story on the following Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>He went out of his way to tell me because

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<v Speaker 2>back then we had no cell phones or internet or

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<v Speaker 2>any other communication, so he had to wait till he

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<v Speaker 2>returned physically to the job to tell me that. On

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<v Speaker 2>that Friday night, as he was passing through this very

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<v Speaker 2>isolated location, he comes up on a car and the car,

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<v Speaker 2>for no reason swerved. It was on a very straight

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<v Speaker 2>area on the road itself where you could see like

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<v Speaker 2>almost a mile ahead of you, and this car swerved

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly and went off to the side of the road

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<v Speaker 2>and over and then down a three four foot and

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<v Speaker 2>slope of embankment. Well, Brady and I were both on

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<v Speaker 2>the rescue squad back home, and he thinking, hey, someone's

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<v Speaker 2>had a medical emergency, he said, he stopped his truck,

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<v Speaker 2>got out of the truck, grabbed a flashlight, went up

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<v Speaker 2>to the car and theywards he's knocking on the window,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was two elderly ladies and they were very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you He got on the roll the window down there,

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<v Speaker 2>yelling did you see it? Did you see it? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you you see it? And I said, what did they see?

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<v Speaker 2>Brady said, I'll tell you a minute. But he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't worried about that. He said, I asked him.

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<v Speaker 2>I offered him if they needed any help, if anyone

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<v Speaker 2>had a medical emergency. They didn't, so he offered he

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<v Speaker 2>had a four wheel drive pickup truck. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I can pull your car back up on the

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<v Speaker 2>road so you can continue your drive home. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was all he knew at that moment, And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he walked back up to his truck, which was still

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road. As he went around

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the truck to opened the cap he

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<v Speaker 2>had on the back to get the rope. That's when

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<v Speaker 2>the flash light hit this thing right in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>It was standing there within thirty I laiter, not this

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<v Speaker 2>thirty feet from his position, and he's looking at his square.

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<v Speaker 2>It's looking at him. He's looking at it, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what was it? Brady, wasn't the heck

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<v Speaker 2>did you see? And he said, Dwayne, it was a monster. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't ever talk about Bigfoot back in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I had seen those things at the movies

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<v Speaker 2>and on television. Brady and I had never ever ever

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<v Speaker 2>talked about any that he had zero. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>down to earth guy, a deacon in the church. He

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<v Speaker 2>was not the kind of talk about nonsense or anything

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction. And I said, what did you see? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Dwayne, he at that time he held both his

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<v Speaker 2>arms out and his hands out. He said, it was

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than any wrestler, or any bodybuild or any football player. Said, Dwayne,

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<v Speaker 2>it was massive, and it was covered head to toe

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<v Speaker 2>with black hair. And I said, what I'm the standing

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<v Speaker 2>of looking, Well, the first thing that come to my

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<v Speaker 2>mind is the falk Arkansas Monster, the Boggy Creek Monster. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>neither one of us said Bigfoot. And I said, what

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<v Speaker 2>in the heck did you see? He said, Dwayne, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but it was horrible. And he said I

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<v Speaker 2>must have went in the shock. And I said why,

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<v Speaker 2>He said, because I don't know how long I stood there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why I didn't slam the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the truck lid and run. He said, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said he some reason, this thing turned and

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<v Speaker 2>it walked up to the wood edge, the wood tree

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<v Speaker 2>edge of the woods, stopped for a second, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said it turned back around and looked at him, and

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<v Speaker 2>it made this gurgling.

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<v Speaker 3>Growling sound. Guttur old got growling sound. And then he

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<v Speaker 3>said it turned around. It just noncho I walked in

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<v Speaker 3>and started breaking branches and sound like it was pushing

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<v Speaker 3>trees over. And then I started quizzing him.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, what in the world did it do

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<v Speaker 2>before that? And he said, well, it didn't do anything

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<v Speaker 2>but stand there and look at me. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Dwayne, you know the big guerrilla we have

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<v Speaker 2>at the River Bank Zoo in Columbia. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it. Will he be at Atlanta Zoo used

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<v Speaker 2>to be And he said it looked just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the face. He said it had a gray leather

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<v Speaker 2>face and it had the same face, nose, and mouth

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<v Speaker 2>as a gorilla. I said, well, then it was it

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<v Speaker 2>a gorilla. He said it was not a gorilla. He

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<v Speaker 2>said it walked like us. He said, it was not

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<v Speaker 2>like I've seen gorillas walk. I said, okay, well, then

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<v Speaker 2>what was it? He said, I don't know, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said it had a pungent odor. He said it smelled

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<v Speaker 2>like between a landfill. And he was a hunter at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. He said that if I left a deer

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<v Speaker 2>hanging in the woods in South Carolina for two or

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<v Speaker 2>three days or roadkill, he said, that's what hit me

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<v Speaker 2>when I stood there looking at it. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>the hair was jet black from the head to the

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<v Speaker 2>as far as he could see, down to the ankles,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was down below the edge of the embankment.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said it hung off its arms and was wet,

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<v Speaker 2>like it had been in the swamp or been in

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<v Speaker 2>something that was wet. All of it was glittening and wet.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, but other than it being huge, and

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<v Speaker 2>that being the description of the smell and the behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't do anything toward him. So he said when

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<v Speaker 2>it went into the woods, he turned around and grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>the rope and went over and managed to get the

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<v Speaker 2>car back up on the road. And he never told

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<v Speaker 2>the ladies what he had just witnessed. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, he asked him again, what did you see

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<v Speaker 2>what made you swirl off the road, and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>as they were driving, a deer ran in front of

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<v Speaker 2>their car, and this black thing they didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it was, was right behind the deer and they almost

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<v Speaker 2>hit and that's what they swerved to miss. So this

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<v Speaker 2>was intrinching to me because I'm like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like twenty four years old at the time, only

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<v Speaker 2>I had always been an outdoors person, always done hunting

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<v Speaker 2>and fishing and hiking and camping and the Boy Scouts

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<v Speaker 2>and Explorer Scouts. I always had a passion for the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had never tied Bigfoot together with any of

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<v Speaker 2>my wilderness activities up until that time in south of

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, and this got me very interested. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to know what Brady had witnessed. So he told the ladies,

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<v Speaker 2>he asked me, that's what they call him. And so

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<v Speaker 2>they drove off, and then he said he got into

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<v Speaker 2>his truck was continuing to drive home, and they said

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<v Speaker 2>that's when maybe reality set in because he got the

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<v Speaker 2>shaking so badly he had to sit there and recompose

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<v Speaker 2>himself for like thirty forty minutes before he could continue driving.

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<v Speaker 2>So then on Monday morning, he's back at work, and

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<v Speaker 2>you got to physically realize this guy wasn't. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of pranksters and hoaxes. Did like the joke occasionally,

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<v Speaker 2>but he would never have gotten into this and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know enough to do a prank on this. He

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<v Speaker 2>had walked this paper meal that we were working on

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<v Speaker 2>was about the size of two big malls store commercial malls.

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<v Speaker 2>His business of work was the pipe fitting work he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing was like the other end of the mall,

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<v Speaker 2>and he walked the distance to come to my work

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<v Speaker 2>area where I was working on the probox and Modicon

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<v Speaker 2>control systems, to make sure if I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>drive through that area that I was aware of what

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<v Speaker 2>he had seen on that previous Friday, so that I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't end up in the situation he did, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was the last time. He passed away two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>at seventy eight years old, and that was the last

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<v Speaker 2>time he ever willingly talked about it was at the

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<v Speaker 2>job and after that I tried to catch him and

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<v Speaker 2>get more information. He said, I'm not talking about it. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a demon, it was a monster. I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Bigfoot. But I went to that area. I ended

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four, and it became my first research location.

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<v Speaker 2>I went through those woods. I had a forty four

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<v Speaker 2>magnumum my hip, whereas I thought, if I run into

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<v Speaker 2>something like this, I don't know what is capable of,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it didn't do anything aggressive toward Brady. But

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<v Speaker 2>I never saw anything. I walked through those woods by

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<v Speaker 2>myself several miles and I wasn't a researcher. No one

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<v Speaker 2>had ever advised me of how to be a researcher,

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<v Speaker 2>what to look for, what clues to study, and what

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<v Speaker 2>to get information. I just figured, if this thing's out there,

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<v Speaker 2>it would just make its appearance like it did to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll get the chance to see what he saw,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll figure it out. But unfortunately, from eighty

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<v Speaker 2>Never came across anything that I can say, even now,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what I know as a researcher, anything to be conclusive,

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<v Speaker 2>concrete evidence. And one time I had a year at

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<v Speaker 2>pause of that area because I ended up out in

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<v Speaker 2>in eighty four and I ended up taking a break

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<v Speaker 2>in eighty six eighty seven. I moved out there worked

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<v Speaker 2>out there, not knowing anything about Bigfoot other than Brady's

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find any research information in my libraries in Spartanburg,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. I couldn't find There was no one to

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<v Speaker 2>what I know now. Like I say, if I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been I may have ended up relocating permanently out there

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<v Speaker 2>and ended up being another cliff Backman or something. But

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<v Speaker 2>instead I was bumping around just being an engineer at

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<v Speaker 2>a power plant. And of course I could not mention

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<v Speaker 2>my hobby, my interest, because they would have gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the crazy alarm and I would have been not be

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<v Speaker 2>working at a nuclear plant. But so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>keep a low profile. But I still managed to do

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<v Speaker 2>my research when I had time. So I'm out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and God knows, I wish I had known who Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Burns was. Then. I wish I would have known how

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<v Speaker 2>close I was to Bob jim Win at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Yakama, Washington. I wasn't two hours away from

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<v Speaker 2>the man. I would have driven to his farm and

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<v Speaker 2>met with him if i'd have known he was that

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<v Speaker 2>close to me. But I didn't know those things. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went out on excursions for my own self because

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<v Speaker 2>of loving the woods, and went hiking and horseback riding

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<v Speaker 2>and had I had five guys in my office that

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<v Speaker 2>were pilots, and we were in the air practically every weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>flying somewhere, either up to Seattle, up to Mountain Neer,

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<v Speaker 2>out to the coast down in northern California, or over

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<v Speaker 2>to Idaho. We were flying somewhere practically every weekend, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the air. I was amazed to how many things

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<v Speaker 2>I could see from the as a visual from the air,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as we stayed within three or four thousand

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<v Speaker 2>feet elevation, I could see pretty good. I mean we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get down tree top level and study anything, but

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<v Speaker 2>it still gave me an open perspective of the wooded

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<v Speaker 2>areas around that location.

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<v Speaker 1>Big for Society would be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could figure out, Hey, I want to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a camp I was also an amateur photographer

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, had all this really good equipment, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would rug all this equipment in a backpack and

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<v Speaker 2>go to the woods to take pictures. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>my primary concern. But I never associated for the first

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<v Speaker 2>month or so out there that Bigfoot was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a novel. It was a major impact of that area.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I found out a little later on, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple months later when I think I sent you a paper.

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<v Speaker 2>It tells a little bit about my history out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the guys in the office knew that I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing these excursions and photography and they said, hey, Dwayne,

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<v Speaker 2>have you made it up to Mount Saint Helens yet?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said no, I didn't even think I could

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<v Speaker 2>get close to it. They said, yeah, they just opened

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<v Speaker 2>a two mile red zone a couple months ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can get in within that distance and you can

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<v Speaker 2>get some fairly good pictures of the dome where it's

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<v Speaker 2>blown off, and see just how devastated it is in

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<v Speaker 2>that area, and said you'll enjoy probably hiking around there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was all I knew. It's all they told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing in the language of Bigfoot. So I'm driving up

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<v Speaker 2>five or four kid Highway, which is coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>Castle Castle Rock, and I'm going just through the wilderness,

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<v Speaker 2>just beautiful, beautiful Douglas Fair wilderness up through there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I come up on this souvenir stand, this souvenir facility,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the buried a frame and it had a

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<v Speaker 2>souvenir shop up on the little rise on New Knoll

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<v Speaker 2>up above it. And then there was this big, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>foot Bigfoot statue standing at the corner of the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like wow, I thought that's amazing. So I

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<v Speaker 2>pulled in. I had to see this and get a picture. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>when I did that, I'm kind of just scooping out

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<v Speaker 2>the area and I look up towards the souvenir building

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<v Speaker 2>and it looks like they built this facility out around

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<v Speaker 2>where a porch might have been on this old house

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<v Speaker 2>and closed it in. They had these cartoon looking caricatures

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<v Speaker 2>of a monkey or a bigfoot. It turned out painted

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<v Speaker 2>or decount around the building and I'm looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at this statue and I'm thinking, man, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty amazing. Must know something about bigfoot. I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out. So I because I'm already just

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<v Speaker 2>my whole mind was to get up to the trails

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<v Speaker 2>and start hiking and filming. Wasn't thinking about a souvenir

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<v Speaker 2>shop at the time. So I walk in. Nobody was there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just browse around a second. It was typical

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<v Speaker 2>souvenir key shirt, hats, trinkets, nothing of interest. As I

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<v Speaker 2>turn around and start to go out, that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed off to the left was this turnstile and it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like a glass display like cases inside the annex

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<v Speaker 2>of this building. So I walk over and lean in

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<v Speaker 2>to see what it is. That's something I need to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to. And as far down the length of

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<v Speaker 2>it and on both sides of it are these looks

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<v Speaker 2>like jewelry glass jewelry display cases, and these china looking

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<v Speaker 2>displayed glass cases, and they're just stuffed in them every

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<v Speaker 2>inch of the way down. So I thought, okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>it cost a dollar to get in this extra section,

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<v Speaker 2>and I put my dollar in I go in, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you, Jeremiah, I felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>kid in a in a let's say, star trek or

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<v Speaker 2>something that I would have been so fascinated by at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. But it was unbelievable. This guy had, the

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<v Speaker 2>owner had all these castings of feet and hand and

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<v Speaker 2>hair samples and newspaper and magazine clippings and pictures. He

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<v Speaker 2>had just a plenty of them down through there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just walking through there and I'm circling around. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going back down and I'm circling around because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to read and see everything gets in there, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was just unbelievable. And he stuck. He realized I

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<v Speaker 2>was in there for a while, and he come over

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, uh, I couldn't help, but see you

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<v Speaker 2>were very interested, and he starts. We just had a

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<v Speaker 2>general conversation. I ended up telling him about my experience

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<v Speaker 2>with Brady and Brady having his encounter, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>amazed by day. He said, oh really, He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think those creatures might be in South Carolina, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're here. He said, I've had experiences and

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<v Speaker 2>encounters and he said, what you see here is a

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<v Speaker 2>collection of everyone who's from this area has bought their

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<v Speaker 2>evidence and bought it to have it displayed here, which

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<v Speaker 2>it did. It had names and years and locations where

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<v Speaker 2>these castings had all been made, which a lot were

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit Lake and Mount Saint Helens before the volcanic explosion.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just going to I'm just like a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turned in an hour plus conversation. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that, as I'm trying to kind of work

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<v Speaker 2>my way out, this young guy who I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where he come from, he comes in and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of meandering along and shaking his head and just

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<v Speaker 2>on huns and not really chiming in. And as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to leave, he says, I couldn't help me. Hear

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<v Speaker 2>you say you're going up to take pictures of the

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<v Speaker 2>mountain of the volcano. I said, that's exactly where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hit it. He said, I can do something better than that,

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I got a helicopter parked up the road

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<v Speaker 2>about a mile. He said, if you are okay with it,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, uh, I'd take you up and put you

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<v Speaker 2>take you into the mouth of the volcano. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like looking at him, like okay, And so I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds cool with me, and it turned out at

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<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars and I thought, well, that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money back in eighty six, but I didn't think much

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So I followed this guy up the road

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<v Speaker 2>and sitting there's this nice looking, brand new looking helicopter

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there. It looks like any like something really expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>And there wasn't anyone else up there. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>him and I and we get in crawl in. I

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<v Speaker 2>had my camera equipment and we put the headphones on.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was only the second time I had been

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<v Speaker 2>in a helicopter, and the other time was for up

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<v Speaker 2>in Gatlinburg and I did just a quick tour circle.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy, he sets it up, gets us in

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<v Speaker 2>the air, and I was like wow. I never really

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<v Speaker 2>realized how easy it was to see so many things

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<v Speaker 2>as we were only flying about five six hundred feet

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<v Speaker 2>that we were not even now hi maybe And he

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<v Speaker 2>would just pull up every once in a while, because

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<v Speaker 2>as we got away from the parking lot where he

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<v Speaker 2>had this thing, the pad he had this thing sitting on,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking out through the foot viewpoint and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking out the window and I can easily see all

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<v Speaker 2>these elchre down there on the tundra grazing, and I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe how good I could see him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was making comments about it. I was looking. I said, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you could see this much as easy

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<v Speaker 2>from a helicopter compared to a plane. So he would hover,

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<v Speaker 2>he would just pull up and let me take some pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that time we're looking straight at the mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm looking at unbelievable devastation of Mount Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Helen right square in front of me, about a mile

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of me, and that caught my eye. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being a jokester because I was like twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight years old then, and I wasn't being mean strut.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had no idea who this guy was, except

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<v Speaker 2>I do. He had had me in his hand of

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<v Speaker 2>the helicopter, and he was really doing good so far,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was in a bigfoot souvenir shop. But I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea if this guy had anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with any of that, because he didn't come in and

417
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<v Speaker 2>join in any of the conversation with me and the owner.

418
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<v Speaker 2>So I looked at him, and I'm talking to him

419
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<v Speaker 2>you know it hits it. And I said, I didn't

420
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<v Speaker 2>know you could see as well from the helicopter. I said,

421
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<v Speaker 2>did you ever see a bigfoot? I said, I got

422
00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.279
<v Speaker 2>to ask you, did you ever see any bigfoot before

423
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:39.839
<v Speaker 2>the mountain blew? I figured he just laughed me off

424
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 2>for it, you know, tell me to get lost, and

425
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.200
<v Speaker 2>he looked right at me. He said, yes I did,

426
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, really. He said I did see too,

427
00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.279
<v Speaker 2>just a few weeks before the mountain exploded. And I said,

428
00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.119
<v Speaker 2>no kidding. And that's when he told me. He said

429
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<v Speaker 2>he was coming back from bringing in the john Town

430
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<v Speaker 2>Johnston Observatory Science as geologists. He had taken a couple

431
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<v Speaker 2>of them up to do something with their seismic equipment

432
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>where they had a place located at the I think

433
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I was the eastern edge of the mountaintop and they

434
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.960
<v Speaker 2>were monitoring the volcano. They were up there doing monitoring

435
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.440
<v Speaker 2>seismic activity. And he said, as he was flying back down,

436
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>he said, the north side of the Lake of Spirit

437
00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Lake that was grassy. All this salt grass was there

438
00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was very no vegetation to sept grass. And

439
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.680
<v Speaker 2>he's flying at about one hundred and fifty feet elevation

440
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 2>right across the water to pick up another group of

441
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.279
<v Speaker 2>people that wanted to come up for a tour. And

442
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.640
<v Speaker 2>as he's doing that, he looked down through he had

443
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.920
<v Speaker 2>again he had this opening in his feet, and he

444
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 2>saw movement. He saw, he said, he saw this dark

445
00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>figures and he thought it was bears at first, he said.

446
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<v Speaker 2>He pulled up the helicopter and he's hovering above them,

447
00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and then he's studying down looking at him, and he

448
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>realized they're walking and not on four it they're on

449
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>two lakes, side by side. And he realized because he

450
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>had been in the air so many times, he had

451
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 2>had quite a bit of experience, he knew he had

452
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>a mental judgment of size, and he knew these things

453
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.279
<v Speaker 2>were massive compared to humans by what he was able

454
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<v Speaker 2>to see features from the air at one hundred and

455
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 2>fifty feet or thereabouts. And he said, he just hovered

456
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<v Speaker 2>and they never one time looked up at him. They

457
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.599
<v Speaker 2>just kept their course, walking side by side, and he

458
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 2>had to keep backing the helicopter up because they were walking.

459
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<v Speaker 2>He was facing them, he said, and he had to

460
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<v Speaker 2>back the helicopter up. But they never looked up to

461
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>see what was above them or cared about what was

462
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>above them, And he said they walked several yards and

463
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.079
<v Speaker 2>then finally they both turned and went into the wood

464
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.440
<v Speaker 2>wine and wilderness and just kind of disappeared out of sight.

465
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, wow, no kidding. I thought, this guy's

466
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>either full of it or he is really telling me something.

467
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody else at that time had seen

468
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.799
<v Speaker 2>anything from the air. So he flies me around and

469
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>takes me up to where the observatory is and then

470
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>starts showing me some other features and explaining what it

471
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.119
<v Speaker 2>had looked like to what I mean, it looked like

472
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the surface of the moon when I was there. There

473
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was no vegetation on that area. It was horrible, just

474
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 2>pure ash everywhere. So as we're flying back down to

475
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>where we had first come back from the across from

476
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the pad and stopped and hovered for the elk, we

477
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.880
<v Speaker 2>were down at the right side there, and it was

478
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.279
<v Speaker 2>called the Tootle Creek Fork, and that's where the Spirit Lake,

479
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>which is a reservoir, would still into Tootle Creek and

480
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>then it would feed the water down to Kelso and

481
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Castle Rock and I don't know what other little tributaries

482
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:52.039
<v Speaker 2>it filled down there, But anyway, he said, he looked.

483
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, did you ever see Bigfoot anymore? Before the

484
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>mountain blue? And he looked at me real serious, and

485
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>he said, yes I did. But if I tell you

486
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.319
<v Speaker 2>what I'm about to tell you, you got to give me

487
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 2>your word that you keep it confidentially. He said, I

488
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 2>don't want to lose my pilot license. Well he must have.

489
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>He must have still had his license because it was

490
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 2>six years later since the mountain had blown in eighty

491
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty that I'm in the helicopter now, and he

492
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 2>pulls us up right over this little tributary where this

493
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 2>fork to the creek fork is at and we're hovering

494
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 2>looking down, and he said after the mountain blew, he

495
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>had to stay out of the air for two or

496
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>three weeks because of the air quality would have killed

497
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the engine on the helicopter and caused the crash. So

498
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 2>until air quality was reachieved, the state grounded. So no

499
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.839
<v Speaker 2>big deal. When he went back up and started taking

500
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>people that wanted to witness the explosion of the volcano,

501
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>he was just doing his normal thing and no big

502
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 2>deal until one day, a couple of weeks into his flying,

503
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 2>they were clearing. They had brought these steam shovels in

504
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the big wedges, and Army Corps engineers and the local

505
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 2>construction contractors had all come in. They were eagerly trying

506
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:22.079
<v Speaker 2>to open up that fork at Spiel Way. It was

507
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>just he said, it was just a collection of trees

508
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and debris and silt and ash and mud, and it couldn't.

509
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to get the water going down so the

510
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 2>communities that need at that reservoir could get the water back.

511
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So Klitch River, that's the other one. Is it spillst

512
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Tutle Creek and it dumps into Klitch River. So anyway,

513
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.599
<v Speaker 2>he he's sitting there and we're sitting there together in

514
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the chopper and he said, I'm watching this activity as

515
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I was up flying, and no big deal, he said.

516
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 2>There was just tons of things being hauled off. They

517
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 2>had the big Shinook double blade helicopters in there, and

518
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 2>they were dropping a big transport whatever cargo nets and

519
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 2>they were hauling a lot of that out on the

520
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 2>cargo nets to someplace, and they were hauling it out

521
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>on trucks just to get all this debris out and

522
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 2>there at that time, he said, that was what he

523
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 2>watched until one day, a couple weeks in, he comes

524
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>through there and he decided to pull up and watch

525
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>because they were just about to lift this big cargo net.

526
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's when he noticed what looked like an arm,

527
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>a hand hanging out, and a massive and a foot

528
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and a leg hanging out. And he said, these he

529
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>knew was not there. He could easily see they looked

530
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 2>like all those human appendages, and that's when he thought Bigfoot.

531
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, just to give a little backstory,

532
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>the one thing the guy in the souvenir shop said,

533
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>as we're talking big he said, you can ask anybody

534
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>that lives around here about Bigfoot and you'll have a

535
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>two hour conversation. He said, people up here love Bigfoot.

536
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 2>They don't mind talking about it. He said, you want

537
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>to get a conversation going in Washington, in this part

538
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>of Washington, state of Washington, he said, just mention Bigfoot. Well,

539
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>this guy's thinking was the same way he's watching this thinking.

540
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, yeah, it was burned, deer, burned,

541
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 2>elk burned, other indigenous animals found there was all this

542
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>debris and damage. Why not Bigfoot?

543
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Big for a society who will be right back after

544
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>these messages.

545
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>So he's watching them haul this cargo net up with

546
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>what looks like a burnt body of Bigfoot maybe more.

547
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>He's thinking as big as as big as the net was,

548
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and having one hanging out on one side and one

549
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 2>hanging out in there, he figured there was at least

550
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 2>two of them in that cargo net, at least that's

551
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 2>what he told me. And I'm just sitting there with

552
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>my mouth open. I'm like, really, you witnessed this? He said,

553
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, no big deal. Well, he went on

554
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>about his business. After they took that Army Corps engineer

555
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>helicopter took off with that net. He went back, got

556
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>his fair, his people that he was going to bring up,

557
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and he kept doing that for a couple of days,

558
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>two or three days. He's telling people that he's hauling

559
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>out for the tours about this experience, he said, and

560
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>nobody really made big deals about it. They were not

561
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 2>amazed because they were the locals. And he said, three

562
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>days into him telling the stories, some guy, a reporter

563
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>from the Kelso Gazette or whatever it was called, called him,

564
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>found a way to call him, got in touch, wanted

565
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>to do a report again, this guy's thinking, as a

566
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, no big deal. He invites him down

567
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.519
<v Speaker 2>to his farm in Castle Rock. He gives this guy

568
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the report. The report ends up in the newspaper, and

569
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>that's when he's looking at me and telling me. Within

570
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a day, this government, this sedan shows up at his

571
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>farm with these two guys in suits saying they worked

572
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>for the government. But he never got a name who

573
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 2>they were. They just flashed two cards at him, and

574
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>they're looking at him and saying, you need to retract

575
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>your story. Change it that that was bears or something

576
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>you didn't recognize but not Bigfoot and you were mistaken,

577
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>or you're going to lose your pilot's license. And I

578
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>later found out he was threatened to lose his pension,

579
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>his military pension, and he still was telling me. Well,

580
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I found out after the internet went live and I

581
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>was doing other research there was another similar report from

582
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Klitch River area, which I don't know if somebody deliberately

583
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>changed the location to throw people law from the Tudle

584
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 2>River Fork, I don't know that. But they were telling

585
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that they were finding Bigfoot bodies and being hauled off,

586
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>and then they were telling how the army Corps engineer

587
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 2>allegedly had captured a bigfoot that was injured and they

588
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 2>were going in and collecting other bodies. I don't know

589
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 2>about all that part, but this guy, he was very sincere.

590
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.559
<v Speaker 2>But then after I started reading other reports, I found

591
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 2>his alleging his nephew filed a report on I believe

592
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 2>it was a Bflo's site, if I'm right about that.

593
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 2>He wrote a notation report that this person who I

594
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 2>believe was my pilot, had died from cancer. Here. I

595
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>guess he was in Vietnam War and he might have

596
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>died from agent orange exposure. I don't know that, but

597
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>he was a decorated soldier because of his missions. He

598
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:55.599
<v Speaker 2>had fallen behind enemy lines to retrieve injured soldiers and

599
00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>captured or soldiers that couldn't get out on their own.

600
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 2>And when he came out, retired out of the military

601
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>or Vietnam War ended, he came back to where he

602
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>was from and he opened up this helicopter tourist business

603
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>and I got to meet the guy. So that was

604
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 2>exceptional in me because I didn't have a lot of

605
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>background in bigfoot at the time except from what I

606
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>knew from Brady. So that's what I can tell you about.

607
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>That, Dwayne. Oh my goodness, I just have to I

608
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>just have to explain a little bit of why this

609
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 1>is a really big deal for me right now. So

610
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>just for listeners. So, I have tried four years to

611
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 1>talk to someone that has some sort of like personal

612
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>connection to that situation. So to be able to talk

613
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to you hear your story regarding that is incredible. Also,

614
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize, didn't That didn't click in my mind

615
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 1>that you were an actual engineer at Trojan Nuclear.

616
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Correct.

617
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have been trying four years or what feels

618
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>like years, to talk to a engineer from Trojan Nuclear.

619
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Because as we were talking before the show started, you know,

620
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 1>one of my highest episodes is the gentleman who had

621
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 1>the grew up with the experience on Near City Road

622
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.559
<v Speaker 1>in Rainier where for four years the Sasquatch are tormenting

623
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>him and his family.

624
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 2>That happens, I am familiar with that. I read that. Yeah,

625
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that's one of those reports I would have given my life,

626
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 2>made my left arm to have known about when I

627
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 2>lived there.

628
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. It's like, it's crazy though, because that

629
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.119
<v Speaker 1>happened in the late seventies and you were there in

630
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the mid eighties.

631
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, I was there in eighty six eighty seven, and

632
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>then I would have gone to that location and with

633
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 2>there if I would have known this person and could

634
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 2>have known about his report like I do from your interview.

635
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>It is insane how it all lines up. But you're

636
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:23.199
<v Speaker 1>also there before. I don't know if you remember a name.

637
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Individual's name is Henry Franzoni, who is involved with Peter

638
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Burn and this would have been starting in the nineties, and.

639
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm mildly experience with that. I do know about it,

640
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know details.

641
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 1>So mister Franzoni is unfortunately no longer with us as

642
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>of earlier this year, but I love interviewing him. And

643
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 1>his main research area was this this Verre near Oregon area,

644
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and he had some really really interesting ideas about it,

645
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 1>including that you know, there were for underground, there may

646
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 1>have been tunnels involved, just some really really interesting, uh

647
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 1>stuff that he was involved with with his research in

648
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 1>that area. So it is so cool to be able

649
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to have you on kind of an innerlocking part of

650
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>these other stories that I've had on the show. But

651
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 1>so you were actually were you actually spending time in

652
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the ver near Oregon area itself to research in that area?

653
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Was it more up near Mount Saint Helens.

654
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Why what research I did? Because again I wasn't really

655
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 2>considered I didn't consider myself a research or just a

656
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 2>novice that had a passion for big for finding out

657
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>about Bigfoot. And after I went to the souvenir shop,

658
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.679
<v Speaker 2>then my interest grew. I mean it became exponential. After that,

659
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my gosh, you have all this. So

660
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I kind of started focusing in the Olympic Olympic National

661
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Forest and the Cascades. I went down to Columbia Gorge

662
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>and the dolls. Again, I didn't know Peter Burn had

663
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.199
<v Speaker 2>a museum down there. I never no one told me

664
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>about it, and no one led me to him because

665
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't speaking about my interest. And then there was

666
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I know, I had to be very very close because

667
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 2>it's just like a feeling I get when I'm around

668
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>any locations that I used to travel all over the

669
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>country for my field engineering experience. If I would get

670
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>in an area, because again didn't have internet, didn't have

671
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>until later, didn't have internet, didn't have any resource people

672
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to communicate with this to lead me somewhere. It was

673
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 2>all gut feeling, and I would go in those woods

674
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>when something told me there might be something there in

675
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 2>that place that you were telling me that was in

676
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the near area. I know, I was on those roads

677
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 2>and walking in those woods without the knowledge of knowing

678
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 2>that this guy was virtually living amongst them.

679
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, So you and I had no Oh wow,

680
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>it was just off of how it felt. That's incredible.

681
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>It did. It felt like something was there that was different.

682
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, but the Bigfoot's up in Castle Rock

683
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's up in now saying, hell is my god,

684
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be here. And again I wasn't. I

685
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't connecting the Patterson Gimblin in northern California with northern Oregon.

686
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 2>No one was giving me any insight. Again, I didn't

687
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>have anyone to communicate with until you know, many years

688
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>later and coaching unfortunately got knocked down. It's gone and

689
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 2>there's no going back to that because I was once

690
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I got in bobed with bigfoot researches adamantly, as I

691
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>did once I come to Pennsylvania in nineteen ninety two,

692
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't get involved with a group in a

693
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 2>group concept. I didn't get into bobbed in that until

694
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, well actually ninety nine, as I was part

695
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Bigfoot Network of Ohio, but that was purely

696
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>phone and email. There was no physical persons. And they

697
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>were leading me to one or two different places up

698
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.559
<v Speaker 2>here on the mountain and Chestnut Ridge that they knew about,

699
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 2>but no one. I had no one to communicate about

700
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>in a personal way about Bigfoot. But when Matt Moneymaker

701
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:25.320
<v Speaker 2>put the big BFRO website together in ninety five, I

702
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 2>found it, like in ninety six, and I submitted Brady's report.

703
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't do it because I contacted him and I said, Brady,

704
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>are you willing? Because I contacted two of the early

705
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>members of the BFRO who were living in Washington, and

706
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.679
<v Speaker 2>they were a man and White team and they were

707
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 2>very eager to hear about Brady's experience and encounter, and

708
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Brady wouldn't talk to him. So I said, do you

709
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>give me your permission to share your story with them?

710
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.519
<v Speaker 2>And he said, you do whatever you want. I don't

711
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>want to think about it anymore. But he wouldn't talk

712
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>about it ever. So that's how it it up. If

713
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>you go on the BFLO website under reports, and go

714
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>to South Carolina and go to Kershaw County, you'll find

715
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.079
<v Speaker 2>a B report. Because I submitted it instead of Brady,

716
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 2>they call it a B report, and there was now another.

717
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>That's why when you I kind of got excited when

718
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you had your guest on the other day for Newbery

719
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 2>in Lake Murray. Because again, now as the road, as

720
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the road goes, it's sixty miles to where Brady had

721
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>his encounter from Lake Murray and Newbery, but as the

722
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>crew flies across the country, it's only like twenty two

723
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>miles from Newberry to water Ree, and it's only like

724
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty five miles from Lake Murray to Water Reed. So

725
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of reports over the years that

726
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>we've had internets and Bigfoot websites groups develop that's come

727
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>out of that area. So there's a I think there's

728
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>a healthy population a Bigfoot in that area, although we

729
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>know just from our experience up here, we think they

730
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>do migrate for food or maybe they do that to

731
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 2>say to stay out of sight. If they have a

732
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 2>tribe or whatever you want to call them, a group

733
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of them. If they start populating too explicitly, eventually too

734
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 2>many people are going to see them, so they got

735
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to spread out, or they've got to divide and move

736
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>out of a given area. Too much activity start showing up,

737
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 2>even if it doesn't get close to home, the den,

738
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>or wherever they're homesteading, they know that it's just a

739
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 2>matter of time some human is going to get too close,

740
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>so they can only avoid human interaction by moving around

741
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and maybe coming back to that location at a later date.

742
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>At least that's my concept and feelings.

743
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:56.920
<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting. I want to kind of circle back

744
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>to something real quick. Do you remember the gentleman's name

745
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>who owned that gift shop museum up there?

746
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I had it in my notes and I cannot find it.

747
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 2>He's no longer up there, no longer it's sold because

748
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>there's another guy that owns it now. And I wrote him.

749
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>He was on YouTube, I guess is where I saw

750
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 2>him at, and he didn't respond to me. I wanted

751
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 2>to know if he had interacted, but I heard the

752
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 2>guy died that I had interacted with, and now the

753
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>helicopter guy I believe as the same guy died, so

754
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 2>there's nobody up there that I interacted with, which I'm

755
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>very sad, and I'm sad I mean, you gotta realize

756
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>my lifestyle when I was out there was it was unimaginable.

757
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I had all these guys who were pilots. I had

758
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.519
<v Speaker 2>two guys that had sailboat fishing boats that had me

759
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>out in the river still had fishing. If I wasn't flying,

760
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and if I wasn't hiking and doing horseback riding on

761
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the down at Cannon Beach and surfsids Beach and that story.

762
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 2>If I wasn't doing stuff like that, I was doing

763
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>my But I didn't have as much free time. Plus

764
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>we worked on backsides off trying to do the modifications

765
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 2>that we were doing in the plant at the time.

766
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>So I was working average fifty hours a week, sometimes

767
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>sixty hours a week. But I made time, fortunately to

768
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 2>enjoy my life out there, and Bigfoot got factored in.

769
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even one of my planned activities out there

770
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>when I went out there. It's like, Okay, I'm gonna

771
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.199
<v Speaker 2>enjoy the Pacific Northwest and see what the heck gets

772
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.440
<v Speaker 2>all about. Never thinking I was going to bring Bigfoot

773
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 2>research into the mix of my activities, but I had

774
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>no choice. After I met this guy and he's telling

775
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.119
<v Speaker 2>me all this stuff that went on out there. Oh yeah,

776
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I had to be part of it.

777
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>When you were out there, did you do you think

778
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 1>you at any time got close to a bigfoot or

779
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>had a sighting or anything like that, or was it

780
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 1>more you're starting to get into at that point.

781
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't recall anything that had any visual

782
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that I can obtain or No. There were near area

783
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 2>that I went into that I said I was close to.

784
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Were the report that you did with the gentleman. I

785
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>have a feeling if there was as many in there

786
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 2>as he claimed, I was being watched, But I had no.

787
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a feeling of it. I mean, I

788
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 2>knew I was in nature, and I knew they got

789
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the they got animals that will attack you out there.

790
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>They got mountain lions, and they've got well they didn't

791
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.159
<v Speaker 2>have grizzly bears back then, but I thought these bears

792
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 2>are more aggressive than what we have in South and

793
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. So I was very cautious. So I had

794
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>that apprehension, like because I didn't carry a weapon out there,

795
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>even though I did have my forty four bag, I

796
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't carry that. When I went in the woods. I

797
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>had bear, I mean not bear fray. I had pepper

798
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>pepper spray, military canisters of pepper spray on both of

799
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 2>my hips, and a hunting knife on my on my belt.

800
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Big for a society who will be right back after

801
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>these messages.

802
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's all I took when I went in the

803
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>woods back then up there, I didn't take my gun

804
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, gud. I didn't have a carry permit,

805
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 2>being that I was a non resident. I was, you know,

806
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>a yeah, a worker, and I couldn't obtain a carrying

807
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 2>permit like I can here in Pennsylvania at all. So

808
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I was very cautious, knowing, hey, any moment something could

809
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.320
<v Speaker 2>come elk or something could come tearing out the woods

810
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and attack me. I was just caustable. I never saw

811
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>a felt bigfoot when I was out there, which is

812
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 2>like I said, if you run the clock ahead, run

813
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the calendar ahead to when I came up here in

814
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>ninety two and then started exploring southwestern Pennsylvania and section

815
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of Ohio and West Virginia, I would have been a

816
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 2>different person out there if it would have just been

817
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>less than ten more years, which actually I can only

818
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 2>say really eight ninety nine when I met when I

819
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>got in touch with the people from Bigfoot Research and

820
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>then I there was two there was three groups, well,

821
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot Network Resource Organization. They didn't help me very

822
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>much with how to be a researcher. They just told

823
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 2>me where to go and look for tracks and listen

824
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 2>for and if I smell or see anything unusual, just

825
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>keep a do a ledger. I always took a notebook

826
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>with me, a little spiral notebook, and they said, anything

827
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 2>you see her here, just write it down, call us

828
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>let us know. Okay. These two guys were Kent State

829
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 2>University professors who had grown up in Fayette County, owned

830
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>up at the area where a lot of activity has

831
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>happened over the years, and they had had encounters and

832
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 2>they had always had an interest in but Bigfoot since

833
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 2>as teenagers when they went out hunting, had had encounters

834
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 2>in Fayette County up on the mountain, and when they

835
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 2>went to Kent State where they were professors at they

836
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.599
<v Speaker 2>still had an interest in Bigfoot, but they didn't pursue

837
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>it until the Internet came out, and that's when they

838
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>created the Bigfoot Network of Ohio. But they didn't have

839
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>any active members that were gathering physically to go to

840
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 2>areas and I became there. When I contacted them, they said,

841
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be our Pittsburgh connection. If we get

842
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>any reports, if we know about anything activity wise, we'll

843
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>call you. You'll get the information and the witness name

844
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that they're willing to meet with you, and if you

845
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 2>want to explore that area, we'll tell you how to

846
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 2>get to it. So I was in ninety eight, in

847
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine and I got two or three good reports,

848
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>but nothing developed, and I still didn't know enough about

849
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.119
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot research. He said, Hey, if i'm bumping myself along

850
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>up here, in something steps out throughs a rock at me,

851
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>which I didn't even think about rocks then until later,

852
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>But I just figured, hey, if they're here, i'll know

853
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 2>they're here. Theyn't let me know they're here. I didn't

854
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 2>realize how difficult it is to enhance or intrigue bigfoot

855
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 2>wanting to contact you. I'll be physically made aware of

856
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>your presence and its presence. But anyway, in ninety nine,

857
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization gf GCBRO came online

858
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and they had a contact point on there. Didn't know

859
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>any of these people. They were in Kentucky and Tennessee

860
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and all the way down in the Louisiana. The two founders,

861
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 2>one was in Louisiana and one was in Tennessee, which

862
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>was Mary Green. I don't know how old you are,

863
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what you know or ever heard

864
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.320
<v Speaker 2>her name mentioned, but she was a renowned on the

865
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>East Coast anyway, a renowned Bigfoot researcher, and she had

866
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 2>had her and her group in Tennessee had had several

867
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 2>encounters and they that's why they were in the Bigfoot

868
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 2>website and research because they wanted to collect other people's

869
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:15.199
<v Speaker 2>reports and try to figure out something about these get

870
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.519
<v Speaker 2>some connectivity, some confirmation of what other people were researching

871
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and finding. So I emailed her and she ended up

872
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>wanting to talk to me, So we ended up making

873
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 2>we became friends. She was older than me by a lot,

874
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 2>by a very nice lady, and she was willing to

875
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 2>share her information on what they were doing as research efforts,

876
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 2>what kind of they were baiting, what kind of food items,

877
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>what were they doing, and what were they getting results

878
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>of And the one she was telling me, they were

879
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 2>using garlic and onions and that was the most effective

880
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that they could bait and get the bigfoot to

881
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>come together. They seemed to have some real real interest

882
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 2>in garlic and onions spicy like that or something with

883
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a rich flavor. So I was trying that and she

884
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 2>was kind of coaching me and say, and then she

885
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>said her teenage son and her had an encounter with

886
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 2>two of them. He brought his boombox and he was

887
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 2>into like AC DC, Metallica and all of that, and

888
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 2>she even cared for that. She like country, I think

889
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 2>if I remember, and she was critiquing him, but he

890
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>was playing his rock music, putting his boombox up on

891
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.679
<v Speaker 2>top of the jeep that she had, and they were

892
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 2>in this isolated area where they had already had some

893
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 2>other activity before this, and two of these things come.

894
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.559
<v Speaker 2>They watched them come down the side of the hill,

895
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a big one in a medium size one, and they

896
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 2>never came down close enough to really be right in

897
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>front of them, but they were like rocking back and

898
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 2>forth on behind a tree, and they were staying there

899
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of hours while this music is booming

900
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>out across the woodlands. I did never try that. I

901
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 2>had guys that wanted to do guitar guitars on the

902
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 2>outline night outings. But I didn't do the boom box.

903
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 2>But she said that was effective for their bigfoot, doesn't

904
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>mean it was going to be for everybody's big foot.

905
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And then she asked me, and late to ninety nine,

906
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:15.360
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, she said, Dwayne, have you been noticing any

907
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>tree structures, any stack trees, tree stackings, or anything interwoven?

908
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And I said, Mary, where I go the woods that

909
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I go in? I said, but here in southern of

910
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>southwestern Pennsylvania. I said, we get a lot of ice,

911
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of windstorms, and these trees are very brittle.

912
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>And I said there is bad fault everywhere. I said, no,

913
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't pay attention to any of that. She said,

914
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>just do me a favor next time you're in the woods.

915
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Just and she sent me some pictures of what she

916
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 2>was talking about, which one was a big X and

917
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 2>another one was the tripod was a little tripod. And

918
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I said, sure, if I get in the woods soon,

919
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll start paying attention. There was a place called Pine

920
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Ridge State Park. That's where I sent you some pictures from,

921
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 2>and I had been I knew about this place because

922
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>we had golf tournaments at the country club down the

923
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>street from there which bordered this area, and it was

924
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 2>very intriguing to me because I just thought it was

925
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful wooded area and this was the headway of

926
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the Chestnut Ridge. It started in Blairsville in this Pine

927
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Ridge State Park and then that merged into the game lands,

928
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>which was Chestnut Ridge. Well, I had been just for

929
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>entertainment purposes, just for loving nature, had been clear walking

930
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.559
<v Speaker 2>that area and enjoying the beauty of it. Hadn't seen

931
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 2>really anything that made me think Bigfoot was even there.

932
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>But that was one of my spots that I enjoyed

933
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>going out on Sunday or Saturday hikes until Mary tells

934
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 2>me to look for tree stuff. And I don't know

935
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 2>how just by incidents. I went out like a week

936
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.960
<v Speaker 2>after our phone our phone call, and I'm walking one

937
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of the pathways that I had previously done two or

938
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.679
<v Speaker 2>three or four times over a several month period, and

939
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking and off to the left, I see what

940
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I can only say is a symmetrical stacking of trees

941
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that were about three to four inches in diameter, about

942
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.039
<v Speaker 2>four feet in length, stacked symmetrically around the base of

943
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a tree. And I'm like, Okay, maybe some kids did

944
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 2>that because it was off the footpath I was on.

945
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>But it was off in the kind of brushy, kind

946
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 2>of thirty nasty little places. Nobody really would have wanted

947
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to do this for the heck of it, for fun

948
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>and ninety, including me. Had I not heard her ask

949
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.360
<v Speaker 2>me to start looking for things, I would have just

950
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>walked right pyot and ignored it and never paid any

951
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.320
<v Speaker 2>attention to it. So I went over and I took

952
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>some pictures, and I thought, okay, wait, do I show

953
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>this to Mary? So I go over with my height.

954
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 2>I do like two or three more miles, and I

955
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't see too much of anything in press of the

956
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.639
<v Speaker 2>rest of that little two or three miles. And I

957
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 2>come back around where the power line is the firebreak,

958
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and I see what looked like some twists, a little

959
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 2>twisted saplings, and I thought, well, there's got to be kids,

960
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 2>but they were just not looking like kids would have done.

961
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't see any footprints, But it was it

962
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was kind of as Jeff Mildram says about the substrate.

963
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.800
<v Speaker 2>The soil. The substrate was very conpounded that actually had

964
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 2>cold like a coal pile of coal had been there,

965
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and there was no way anything was going to leaving

966
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a deep impression, so I didn't think much. Took a

967
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>couple of pictures and that was like on a Sunday.

968
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>That was the weekend, and it was a Sunday, and

969
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.960
<v Speaker 2>this is in February, and I didn't think about it,

970
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.719
<v Speaker 2>So it was like a week. Two weeks went by.

971
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I went back there because we had had a windstorm

972
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and we had had ice in the area, so I

973
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 2>really knew I was going to probably see a lot

974
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 2>of down trees. And when I got back, I did

975
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the same to start with, I did the same footpath

976
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the trail coming where my car was at in the

977
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 2>parking lot. And the week two weeks before I had

978
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 2>been there, there was nothing out there other than these

979
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>things I just described a second ago, and I'm going

980
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 2>up this trailhead to go back into Chestnut Ridge into

981
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the game lands, and something had took all these tree lambs.

982
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what one of the pictures I sent to you.

983
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a natural. It looks like a big

984
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.480
<v Speaker 2>dream catcher. They had taken all these two three inch

985
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 2>diameter trees and limbs and brought them over on the

986
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 2>trailhead that I had gone up that earlier, two weeks earlier,

987
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and they had intricately twisted them inside of each art

988
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.960
<v Speaker 2>so that they were the width of the trail and

989
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 2>about the height that I am about six ft. I'm

990
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 2>six to two, and it was about the same hike

991
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>is me and it was all delicate stuff. But they

992
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>had made a screen, a fence, a barricade across the trail,

993
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, well, what the heck? Who did this?

994
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 2>What kind of irritated me? Again, I'm just still an end.

995
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I was just a novice. I mean, I was just

996
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.800
<v Speaker 2>still learning and hoping that something was going to give

997
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 2>me something. And I just tore it apart. I usually

998
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 2>don't do that. I don't do it now because it's bad.

999
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Things happen when you tear their structures down. They don't

1000
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>like that if they're still in the area. So I

1001
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.800
<v Speaker 2>tore it down, threw it off to the side and

1002
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of laughed it off and said, hey, I let

1003
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.039
<v Speaker 2>me see that they like that, and they see if

1004
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 2>it comes back. So I did my hike out two

1005
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 2>or three miles a couple hours, and I'm not seeing

1006
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.159
<v Speaker 2>too much of anything. And I come back this time

1007
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.199
<v Speaker 2>walking following there's a spring fed Creek. It's a stream

1008
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>that runs at the base of the hill mountain and

1009
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm hiking on the trail. I'm off and if you

1010
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 2>go left, it goes over to the Polo Line firebreak,

1011
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.280
<v Speaker 2>and this stream falls parallel with the firebreak, and I'm

1012
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.119
<v Speaker 2>following that and I find some oreld trees pulled over,

1013
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>but they were bigger trees this time. They were snapped

1014
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and twisted from about three to four inches off the

1015
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 2>ground and something had just obliterated them. I don't know

1016
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>what it was, but it didn't look like wind damage

1017
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 2>compared to other natural stuff. And that's when instead of

1018
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>going all the way down to the furthest distance before

1019
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I would have cut back left and come back into

1020
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the parking lot, I decided to take a cut through,

1021
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and that would have got me back to the first

1022
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 2>path where i'd started out at. And that's probably about

1023
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, three four hundred yards through the woods,

1024
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe somewhere in that distance, and it's pretty dense, and

1025
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of down trees. And that's when

1026
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I came up on those shelters, and I have to

1027
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.079
<v Speaker 2>call them shelters. They were primitive looking, something like I

1028
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.519
<v Speaker 2>would have built as a kid. But it didn't look

1029
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.039
<v Speaker 2>like anything, and it shouldn't have been any adults in

1030
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 2>their building or kids. But there's no houses around this park,

1031
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and nobody's ever there. I mean back in those days,

1032
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>back in two thousand and ninety nine, there was nobody ever.

1033
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I never ran into a soul in this park anytime

1034
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I was there, weekday or weekend. I don't know why.

1035
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 2>So I'm studying this one that was just some stacked

1036
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.760
<v Speaker 2>wood up against a tree that had been turned over,

1037
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and it was like a leing to blind and I

1038
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.480
<v Speaker 2>go up and I'm looking at because by now I'm

1039
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 2>starting to get the ideas of what you're supposed to

1040
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.440
<v Speaker 2>look at, so I'm looking for human activity. There was

1041
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.679
<v Speaker 2>no gum wrappers, no cigarette butts or paper, no boot tracks,

1042
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 2>there was no sign of anything that had been there

1043
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 2>to make that wing to I'm taking pictures, thinking about it,

1044
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 2>writing it down in a little notebook, thinking I'm going

1045
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to send this to Mary. She's going to get a

1046
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.039
<v Speaker 2>kick out of this. And I walk about another fifty

1047
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.119
<v Speaker 2>feet and that's when I see the one that's complete,

1048
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.800
<v Speaker 2>that looks like the size of a pup tent made

1049
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 2>out of the stacked sticks logs that had been there

1050
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.639
<v Speaker 2>had been a full grown tree. Something had taken the

1051
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 2>root base and wedged it down in the fork of

1052
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 2>another tree and left the tipped end of it down

1053
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. And they had taken the stacked the sticks,

1054
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the logs and stacked them all the way down and

1055
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 2>then kind of intricate and then twisted them together at

1056
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the back of it. And I'm looking at this thing,

1057
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, wow, somebody, maybe primitive campers had done this,

1058
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>or somebody that was having fun. Well, I took my

1059
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.320
<v Speaker 2>pictures and I'm walking. I did like a three sixty

1060
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 2>around it, and I just spread out another twenty feet

1061
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:39.280
<v Speaker 2>and did another three sixty just to see if I

1062
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>could find any tracks. I couldn't find any. So I'm

1063
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 2>getting intrigued by it because i want to see what's

1064
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm kind of curious how big this thing

1065
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 2>did It looked like I could fit inside of it.

1066
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And sure enough, I take and again, this is February,

1067
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>and it was probably it was below freezing. We're talking

1068
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>like twenty eight twenty nine degrees, but it was cold.

1069
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And I get I take my backpack off and I

1070
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 2>drop my gear, take my coat off and I get

1071
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 2>down and do like a commando crawl. It was actually

1072
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 2>big enough that I could have just crawled in easy

1073
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.599
<v Speaker 2>on hands and feet. It wasn't that that tight, and

1074
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I crawled up inside this thing. It ended up being

1075
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 2>tons of room inside. I had another two feet above

1076
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.920
<v Speaker 2>my head and plenty of elbow space.

1077
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Big for a society will be right back after these messages.

1078
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was all cool, But when I come out

1079
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of it, that's when I got this feeling of dread.

1080
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And I've only had this happen twice to me in

1081
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 2>the woods, but it felt like something didn't want me there,

1082
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.880
<v Speaker 2>or something was going to make bad things happen for me.

1083
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.960
<v Speaker 4>And I come out and I'm standing there doing a

1084
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 4>spin around, stared in the hillsides above me and back

1085
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.639
<v Speaker 4>toward the other lean to and I'm not seeing anything, but.

1086
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.119
<v Speaker 2>The woods were denominal that we talk now quiet. There

1087
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:12.480
<v Speaker 2>was no sound of any sort. I mean, suddenly it

1088
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:16.039
<v Speaker 2>goes from I'm hearing one bird over here, which sounded

1089
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like and I heard a crow all in the day

1090
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I had been up there. I just hurt one or

1091
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.039
<v Speaker 2>two birds because it was a clear, sunny day. You

1092
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>though it was February. I heard a couple of different birds,

1093
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.280
<v Speaker 2>but this particular time it was that you're e quiet,

1094
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:34.119
<v Speaker 2>And as I'm standing there getting this weird oppressive feeling,

1095
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I started itching like somebody had poured itching powder on me.

1096
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I felt like my skin was being eaten. And all

1097
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I can think of, and I have no proof of

1098
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.760
<v Speaker 2>it because you can't see it. I think there was

1099
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a living animal and I don't know if it was

1100
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 2>a bail or a bigfoot in that space I had

1101
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.519
<v Speaker 2>just crawled into, but I think I had mites on

1102
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.079
<v Speaker 2>my body and I was itching like something crazy, to

1103
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the point I had to go home. I'm going to

1104
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.840
<v Speaker 2>take two showers to get it over of me. It

1105
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 2>was a miserable feeling, but I was head to toe itching,

1106
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and I believe a bigfoot or something was height. It

1107
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 2>was in that dwelling, and I think these mites were

1108
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:18.039
<v Speaker 2>own it because it was the living host. And then

1109
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 2>when it escaped out of there to misseeing me or

1110
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 2>me seeing it, I must have been the next host

1111
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.639
<v Speaker 2>that had decided to get on and that was horrible.

1112
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 2>So now I'm feeling this oppressive feeling and I don't

1113
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 2>know what's going on, and I can't hear or see

1114
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.639
<v Speaker 2>anything at that moment that makes me think there's some

1115
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:37.719
<v Speaker 2>reason to get the heck out of there. So I

1116
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 2>put my gear back on and I'm going to walk

1117
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 2>over where a whole lot of trees have fallen. And

1118
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that's where that one picture you have, you can study

1119
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:51.400
<v Speaker 2>it later. It's another tree that's been pushed down, and

1120
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>you can tell where something had scraped out about five

1121
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.199
<v Speaker 2>foot in length, about two feet deep and about three

1122
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 2>feet wide under this fallen log. A little somebody, a

1123
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.280
<v Speaker 2>little person could go in and crawl in under that

1124
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and hide. And what got my attention was is what

1125
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 2>you see in that one picture. Something with claws or

1126
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 2>sharp fingernails had gouged out the dead tree on top

1127
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:25.199
<v Speaker 2>of this this scooped out area. And again we're in

1128
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 2>February and twenty something degree weather, and these termite larva

1129
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 2>were crawling around in this scooped out area. So something

1130
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 2>was trying to get to these termites in the middle

1131
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of winter, which is not normal. So that's a bizarre

1132
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 2>situation for me to find those shelters that had never

1133
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>been seen by me. And I went back and I

1134
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.960
<v Speaker 2>did share them with Mary, and she was amazed. And

1135
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.800
<v Speaker 2>then I come back a couple of weeks later and

1136
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>all but one of those were knocked down. They were gone,

1137
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.719
<v Speaker 2>something had knocked them down, but the one I had

1138
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.800
<v Speaker 2>crawled in was still in place. As I'm leaving this

1139
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.920
<v Speaker 2>particular time, I was back to my car, the park

1140
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.440
<v Speaker 2>ranger drove in. I had never seen him before, and

1141
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 2>by coincidence, he pulls in and he was an older fellow,

1142
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.360
<v Speaker 2>and I go over and have a chat with him,

1143
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned this whole ordeal to him and he's

1144
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.360
<v Speaker 2>just standing there looking at me. He says, well, that's

1145
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>wrong right there. He said, no one is allowed, no

1146
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.840
<v Speaker 2>overnight camping, no hunting, no anything is allowed in this

1147
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.239
<v Speaker 2>park after dark. He said, I'll go back and check

1148
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and make note of it. But he said, trust me,

1149
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 2>there's no primitive campers here. If they are, they're breaking

1150
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 2>the wall. He said, there's kids camping, they're breaking the wall.

1151
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.000
<v Speaker 2>He said, I'm going to go back and make note

1152
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.239
<v Speaker 2>of it. But he said, yeah, there's no one that

1153
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 2>should be legally in this park after dark. So that's

1154
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that was a big introduction for me into my research

1155
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:03.960
<v Speaker 2>in Chestnut Ridge, and and Mary introduced me to Stan Gordon.

1156
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 2>She knew of him through conversations with people she had

1157
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.440
<v Speaker 2>learned through the Internet, and I didn't know who he was.

1158
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 2>We didn't have any body local that I was aware

1159
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of Bigfoot all the five years six years i'd already

1160
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 2>been here, So I was basically independent on my own,

1161
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.320
<v Speaker 2>just doing the best I could, hoping something if it

1162
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:28.679
<v Speaker 2>was as many reports as the guys from Kent State

1163
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>were saying that, hey, Pennsylvania has a good history of Bigfoot,

1164
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:37.159
<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't find any written reports to back up

1165
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.000
<v Speaker 2>what they were saying verbally. So I was just out

1166
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 2>there in the areas that they kind of gave me

1167
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.880
<v Speaker 2>hints to go to and hoping something would make itself present.

1168
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.320
<v Speaker 2>But then I met Stan and I met the Pennsylvania

1169
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot Society, and I became a member, and they introduced

1170
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 2>me to some hotspots own Chestnut Ridge, and that's where

1171
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of activity that I was involved in or

1172
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:10.000
<v Speaker 2>followed up on active investigations within days or hours following

1173
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:15.199
<v Speaker 2>uh following that, that's where it all kicked off at

1174
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I was, and then, like I said, I sent you

1175
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:22.840
<v Speaker 2>a paper of documentation and of some of the activities

1176
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.639
<v Speaker 2>that I pursued and wanted. I really was intrigued by

1177
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 2>because again a lot of these people other people. At

1178
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the time, there was no Internet sites like there are

1179
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.039
<v Speaker 2>now to use for reference. There was no conferences, there

1180
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.440
<v Speaker 2>were no of until two thousand and five was the

1181
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.800
<v Speaker 2>first time I ever went to a conference in Ohio

1182
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and met other people that were like minded. Before that

1183
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and before the Pennsylvania Big for Society, I didn't really

1184
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 2>have anybody but Mary in Tennessee. She was from Higby, Tennessee,

1185
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.719
<v Speaker 2>which is northern up near Daniel Boone's National Force, which

1186
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:02.320
<v Speaker 2>is where she had some encounters at the Radowski Brothers

1187
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 2>were up in Fayette County, which I hadn't even ventured

1188
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.519
<v Speaker 2>up to yet. I didn't know about those locations, so

1189
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just in other places. Later there was activity occurred

1190
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.519
<v Speaker 2>in those places. The two thousand and three the January three,

1191
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that one was really an amazing event for me and

1192
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.679
<v Speaker 2>three other guys. We went up to top of Dairy Ridge,

1193
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.440
<v Speaker 2>which is the third or fourth highest elevation in Pennsylvania

1194
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and on the east probably like the seventh highest elevation

1195
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.760
<v Speaker 2>in the East Coast. It's a twenty six hundred and

1196
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.719
<v Speaker 2>ten feet elevation. I believe where we were at that

1197
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.480
<v Speaker 2>we had our well, we now have an encounter, but

1198
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.360
<v Speaker 2>we had evidence that we know was a big foot.

1199
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 2>It had snowed really really big, and one of the

1200
01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:58.599
<v Speaker 2>guys had a jeep Cherokee scout and no, it was

1201
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a chief. It was a Cherokee chief that was a beast,

1202
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.400
<v Speaker 2>had the big eighties cylinder engine, knobby tires. That was

1203
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 2>the only reason we made it to the top of

1204
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:08.559
<v Speaker 2>the mountain because we were driving eight nine inches of

1205
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 2>snow and we get up to the fire tower, the

1206
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.800
<v Speaker 2>abandoned fire tower at the top, and we all get

1207
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.079
<v Speaker 2>out and we're standing up to almost our knees in

1208
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.199
<v Speaker 2>about fifteen inches of snow, and we spread out, and

1209
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 2>all of these guys were bigfoot research guys, had been

1210
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:29.640
<v Speaker 2>doing it for several years with the PBS, and they

1211
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 2>were very smart about their background. One guy actually had

1212
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 2>navigated been the mapping navigating guy for this whole for

1213
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 2>like twenty five one hundred acres back in the sixties.

1214
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.439
<v Speaker 2>In the early seventies, he had mapped this area for

1215
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the landowners and later for the Game Commission, so he

1216
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.079
<v Speaker 2>knew and he had had several big foot encounters over

1217
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.920
<v Speaker 2>those years. He knew that area like the back of

1218
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.159
<v Speaker 2>his hand, so hey, he was up there with us.

1219
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Another guy was I think he was here. He was

1220
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.520
<v Speaker 2>a Native American and full blooded and we had him

1221
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.720
<v Speaker 2>there in case we had something he needed. And it

1222
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.159
<v Speaker 2>was good he was with us because the tracks we

1223
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.439
<v Speaker 2>found he confirmed them. And then the other guy was

1224
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.840
<v Speaker 2>just a regular researcher that had been doing it years

1225
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.560
<v Speaker 2>before me, and it was a little older than me.

1226
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So we get out and we right out of the air,

1227
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.520
<v Speaker 2>right out of the car, we find what we later

1228
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.600
<v Speaker 2>discovered was ninety nine percent sure it was cougar tracks.

1229
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.119
<v Speaker 2>They were three and a half inch diameter, big as

1230
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 2>your fist, basically a loose fist, and they were about

1231
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.520
<v Speaker 2>three and a half footr lint between the rear left

1232
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:41.439
<v Speaker 2>rear and the front right. And we followed these tracks

1233
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.960
<v Speaker 2>off the top of the mountain, and we knew it

1234
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.279
<v Speaker 2>was a cougar because there was a distinctive two inch

1235
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 2>drag mark in that snow at periods of time where

1236
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.279
<v Speaker 2>it was letting its tail down in the snow. So

1237
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.279
<v Speaker 2>we're following this cougar down what we believed the cougar

1238
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 2>down this fire break off the top of the mountain

1239
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to a logging road, and when we get down to

1240
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.479
<v Speaker 2>the logging road, which is probably a good hundred yards

1241
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:09.479
<v Speaker 2>down this hillside the slope, suddenly the cougar tracks just

1242
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.319
<v Speaker 2>vanish in the thin air. We're walking along on the

1243
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.680
<v Speaker 2>logging trail watching these cougar tracks and they just disappear

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01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.159
<v Speaker 2>in the thin air, and we're all standing there like, well,

1245
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.840
<v Speaker 2>where does thee thing go? He kind of just vanished.

1246
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.399
<v Speaker 2>And so we spread out and the best we could

1247
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in this thick snow and just general knowledge it was

1248
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.520
<v Speaker 2>all around us. We're walking in the diameter around these

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01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 2>last tracks we have visual of and one of the

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01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.680
<v Speaker 2>guy's spots, it turns out the best big foot tracks

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01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Speaker 2>any of us had ever seen. It was seventeen by

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01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 2>eight and a half wide, seventeen length. You could see

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01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.479
<v Speaker 2>the distinctive toe marks, you could see the footprint, and

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01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:57.800
<v Speaker 2>it was so heavy, and it was walking parallel with

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01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the trail with the logging road. It was off to

1256
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the side in the grunge in the fifteen plus inches

1257
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:07.399
<v Speaker 2>of snow, and it was so heavy that it was

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01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.680
<v Speaker 2>crushing the snow down to about an inch two inches

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01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 2>to the ground. And when it was stepping. We measured

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01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.960
<v Speaker 2>all this and I actually tried to recreate it. It

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01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.119
<v Speaker 2>was stepping about four and a half feet to the

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01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:24.119
<v Speaker 2>next right foot track to the left foot track was

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01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 2>a distinctive four and a half foot stride, and it

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01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.960
<v Speaker 2>was crushing. Every one of its steps were the same

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01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:34.279
<v Speaker 2>from its successive weight, and it didn't lead drag marks.

1266
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:34.560
<v Speaker 3>It.

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01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:38.720
<v Speaker 2>It didn't do anything that normal. Because I'm six to two,

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01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.039
<v Speaker 2>and I if I really try to stretch my legs

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01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.319
<v Speaker 2>on the road in clear conditions, I can stretch almost

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01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.239
<v Speaker 2>two and a half feet two in my younger days

1271
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:51.479
<v Speaker 2>two and a half to three foot, But that's almost

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01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 2>like jumping into my next step. I couldn't do it.

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01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't bring my foot up out of that track

1274
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.680
<v Speaker 2>without a drag mark. I couldn't pick my legs straight

1275
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.880
<v Speaker 2>up and put my foot over or anywhere. I mean,

1276
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.439
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't imitate that walk for any So we followed

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01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.600
<v Speaker 2>these sets of this trackway. We took pictures. I can

1278
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:19.239
<v Speaker 2>actually send you one of the pictures, and we followed

1279
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.800
<v Speaker 2>it for about I say, two hundred yards eighth of

1280
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.359
<v Speaker 2>a mile whatever it's come without too But we walked

1281
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.279
<v Speaker 2>and followed this trackway and we all knew this area

1282
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.680
<v Speaker 2>because we were up there a lot, and they had

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01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.960
<v Speaker 2>been up there a lot since ninety nine before I

1284
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 2>met them. But when I was with them, we were

1285
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 2>up there several times from two thousand to two thousand

1286
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and three, in the period of time during summer, fall,

1287
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.319
<v Speaker 2>other good months, not in the snow. This was the

1288
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:48.039
<v Speaker 2>first time, I mean, boy had made the venture up

1289
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:52.159
<v Speaker 2>there in the extreme weather. So we get out to

1290
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 2>where this suddenly we're in an open area. It's like

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01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a glade. It's like the size of maybe four living rooms,

1292
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.000
<v Speaker 2>five living rooms. It's like a twenty by twenty five

1293
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:07.000
<v Speaker 2>times in this grassy, tall grass area, very pretty in

1294
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 2>the summer when it grows up. And as we're getting

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01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:15.279
<v Speaker 2>into that, the tracks just vanished. They just stopped. It

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01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't go anywhere. And then this would people like, hold,

1297
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:19.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe it backed up in its own tracks. I'm like,

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01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.479
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that it backed up in those tracks,

1299
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.960
<v Speaker 2>as perfect as those tracks are. I said, it just stopped.

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01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And then that's where you got these people that want

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01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:38.520
<v Speaker 2>to start talking about quantum physics or portals or UFOs.

1302
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was never a believer of that, but

1303
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a person to challenge anything I can't prove otherwise,

1304
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want anybody challenging my research that I've

1305
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:52.800
<v Speaker 2>been able to accomplish, So I try to be as

1306
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:58.880
<v Speaker 2>professional and diplomatic as I can when something like that happens.

1307
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.119
<v Speaker 2>But I witnessed that with my own eyes. I'm like, Okay,

1308
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:07.279
<v Speaker 2>this is amazing. And unfortunately we couldn't cast anything back

1309
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 2>then because they didn't have anything that would hold together

1310
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and form a cast in snow. In two thousand and three,

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01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the military and the law enforcement did, but the public

1312
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:22.800
<v Speaker 2>had not received that product until I think it was

1313
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty can or twenty thirteen that something came out, because

1314
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Meldrum is the one who told me later when

1315
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I met him. Into met him at Cabbulas at another

1316
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.439
<v Speaker 2>event we had. He in twenty I think it was

1317
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, he said there was now a spray that

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01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:47.439
<v Speaker 2>would freeze hardened snow that the military and law enforcement

1319
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.239
<v Speaker 2>had used. It's called snow blow or snow something, and

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01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 2>it's in a spray can and it will freeze the

1321
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.920
<v Speaker 2>particles of snow around the track so that you can

1322
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 2>cast it. Because when the the track's dry and it's

1323
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.279
<v Speaker 2>creating heat. It's a it's a friction, so it melts

1324
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.279
<v Speaker 2>the snow. But he said, this stuff is it's like

1325
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:10.039
<v Speaker 2>liquid nitrogen or spray nitrogen. And he says it's so

1326
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 2>cold it'll keep the snow condensed so that you get

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01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a decent track out of it. But we haven't got

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01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:18.720
<v Speaker 2>a chance to try it out that I know of.

1329
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:21.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's another one for.

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01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 1>You, Dwayne. Absolutely incredible that. So I'm gonna I'm going

1331
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to use an analogy, which sometimes this gets me in trouble,

1332
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.800
<v Speaker 1>but let me just hear me out that this is

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01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the highest compliment big for society will be right back

1334
01:15:40.279 --> 01:16:00.960
<v Speaker 1>after these messages. Okay, you have been involved with so

1335
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.359
<v Speaker 1>many amazing things, and it's like you just kind of

1336
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 1>are going through Bigfoot history and just meeting this person

1337
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:12.159
<v Speaker 1>in this person. The only thing that comes close is

1338
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the movie Forrest Gump, do you know what I mean?

1339
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Like he kind of.

1340
01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, yeah, And I'm just thinking, I'm like, man,

1341
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.399
<v Speaker 1>he has been the stuff that you've got, like Mount

1342
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen stuff. But then you're also like doing Chestnut

1343
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Ridge and Stan Gordon and it's such a such a cool,

1344
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.760
<v Speaker 1>cool thing, and I think, you know, I would love

1345
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to have you back on the show at a later date.

1346
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm looking at a list of different encounters

1347
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that you reports that you took over the years, and

1348
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:48.359
<v Speaker 1>there's more than a few on here that I would

1349
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.359
<v Speaker 1>love to know more info about. And I think definitely

1350
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:55.880
<v Speaker 1>it warrants you coming back on the show if you

1351
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.880
<v Speaker 1>would be interested in that at a later time.

1352
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I would be very pleased to come back and thank

1353
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.359
<v Speaker 2>you for a second invite. I would love to go.

1354
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I've got six seven hours of material that's my material

1355
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:14.399
<v Speaker 2>that I personally, you haven't even heard of, my lock throwing,

1356
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.560
<v Speaker 2>encounters in my tree, being pushed over in the wood

1357
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.640
<v Speaker 2>knocks and all the things that were in my face

1358
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.119
<v Speaker 2>type stuff. I mean you, I can turn the whole

1359
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.239
<v Speaker 2>table and get away from the historical stuff and tell

1360
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you personal stuff. It'll blow your socks off.

1361
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to get there for sure, Dwayne,

1362
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:38.079
<v Speaker 1>And man, is there a way that people can keep

1363
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 1>up to date with what you're doing? Are you one

1364
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.720
<v Speaker 1>of these guys that are kind of in the shadows

1365
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and when you get out and start talking, people are wow.

1366
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I was very much. I was very much a shadow

1367
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.520
<v Speaker 2>guy for years, letting other people share my experiences, and

1368
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 2>I was fine with that, and I only come out

1369
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.960
<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen. I was the first time I really did,

1370
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.600
<v Speaker 2>or twenty seventeen. I'm sorry twenty seventeen that I did

1371
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a podcast with small Town Monsters, another group that does

1372
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.000
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you're doing. It's that they do have a

1373
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of boots on the ground type experience. But I

1374
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was willing to come forward because the guys encouraged me.

1375
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:19.279
<v Speaker 2>He said, wait, you've got to tell some of your

1376
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:22.439
<v Speaker 2>stuff to somebody. You can't keep it hidden all this time.

1377
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, all right, that's fine. So yeah, I

1378
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:31.760
<v Speaker 2>started doing podcasts or documentaries in that case in twenty seventeen.

1379
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.319
<v Speaker 2>I've done probably six or seven since then. And that's

1380
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:38.439
<v Speaker 2>why I'm very intrigued to do yours, because I like

1381
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:43.439
<v Speaker 2>how your audience, how your followers are very informed and

1382
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.520
<v Speaker 2>very professional. They they don't bash people like me that

1383
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.039
<v Speaker 2>have I can't help I have experiences I have. It

1384
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.600
<v Speaker 2>just seems to drop in my lap. I wish I knew,

1385
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.199
<v Speaker 2>because the other thing is so frustrating is are not

1386
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.199
<v Speaker 2>frustrating but interesting is I go looking for bigfoot to

1387
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.079
<v Speaker 2>get immigration and evidence on bigfoot, and I end up

1388
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.760
<v Speaker 2>with all these strangers, which is the thing. It is.

1389
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:07.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a want of tile, a strange, rare and unusual

1390
01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:12.399
<v Speaker 2>other events. And I could have a whole session on

1391
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.600
<v Speaker 2>that because I've done presentations just on that element.

1392
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Yeah, we try to keep things classy

1393
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.439
<v Speaker 1>over here, and you know, see what we can learn

1394
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.880
<v Speaker 1>from from different individuals that have had encounters. I think

1395
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you can learn something from from anyone.

1396
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:35.159
<v Speaker 2>So I'm good with anybody who wants to communicate. Anybody

1397
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:37.119
<v Speaker 2>wants to reach out through your I don't know if

1398
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:40.039
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be on YouTube or TikTok or however

1399
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you're going to present this. I'm fine with anybody. I'm

1400
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.279
<v Speaker 2>an open guy now, I talk to anyone on the

1401
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.119
<v Speaker 2>same level I'm speaking with you. I give everybody the

1402
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>same respect, and I don't hold back. Now somebody starts

1403
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 2>challenging me in a very non professional way, I will

1404
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.399
<v Speaker 2>shut them down because I don't want to be badgered

1405
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:03.600
<v Speaker 2>by anybody. Tell them me he don't don't judge anyone

1406
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that does this unless you're willing to come out and

1407
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.279
<v Speaker 2>experience it for yourself. Because it's a different environment than

1408
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:14.560
<v Speaker 2>sitting in your house looking at the computer. You there

1409
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>are unforl to a lot of people that want to

1410
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.439
<v Speaker 2>grandstand and get up a publicity and they put they

1411
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.680
<v Speaker 2>embellish their experience or they have none, and they they

1412
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 2>steal experiences like I've had a couple of stolen from

1413
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.119
<v Speaker 2>me that people want to own for themselves. And it's

1414
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:31.840
<v Speaker 2>probably my own fault that I've shared open, been too

1415
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.119
<v Speaker 2>open with people and they ended up trying to own

1416
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.239
<v Speaker 2>the uh own the experience then, and it wasn't them.

1417
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Some of them had never even been in the woods before.

1418
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:44.359
<v Speaker 2>So those I don't want to participate with. But anybody

1419
01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that has a genuine, sincere, honest interest, I'll be glad

1420
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>to talk with them for hours, take them to the

1421
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>points that I can take them to, and they will

1422
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:56.920
<v Speaker 2>be amazed. I know they're going to be amazed.

1423
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.880
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Do you have an email address that people

1424
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.119
<v Speaker 1>can reach out to at Dwayne.

1425
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Or Yeah, it's my Yahoo account, one of them. It's

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01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:11.560
<v Speaker 2>my last name truncated. It's p I N T O

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01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.600
<v Speaker 2>F D E at yahoo dot com. That's the one

1428
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I have on my business card. Okay, awesome, and they're

1429
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.680
<v Speaker 2>more than welcome to send me a message. I'm on

1430
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Facebook and Messenger and TikTok, and I love to talk

1431
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 2>about this stuff. And again, I have an open interest

1432
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:37.039
<v Speaker 2>in all areas of cryptozoology, and I'm not so much

1433
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:42.239
<v Speaker 2>in following UFOs and UAPs. That's another element that people

1434
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:47.039
<v Speaker 2>sincerely followed. But I if I've had exposures and that

1435
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.039
<v Speaker 2>one paper I sent you with the illuminated object, that's

1436
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the only thing I got this close to a UFO,

1437
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and I was out bigfooting when that happened. Wow, and

1438
01:21:55.880 --> 01:22:02.359
<v Speaker 2>that was very special. So I don't follow those other

1439
01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>areas of interest as much as I did big food.

1440
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, Dwayne, you've had some really interesting things happen so far.

1441
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I could see you know you definitely are probably going

1442
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to keep having things happen as well. But I just

1443
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.079
<v Speaker 1>want to say thank you for coming on the show.

1444
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>We're definitely going to be in touch in having you

1445
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>back on again. But man, it's been a pleasure chatting

1446
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>with you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, well, thank you, And I've had a pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>talking with you as well, Jeremiah. Thank you for taking

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<v Speaker 2>time to listen to me and to publish this out

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<v Speaker 2>to your followers. And I hope, yeah, I look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to another interview session with you in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to take a few minutes to say

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to you all my listeners for listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the

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<v Speaker 1>show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the

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<v Speaker 1>episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or

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<v Speaker 1>know someone who has, please reach out to me at

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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<v Speaker 1>the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you back next time. Listeners. Sasat Summerfest this year

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<v Speaker 1>July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going to be fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>July eleventh through twelfth in Greenwaters Park and Oakridge, Oregon

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<v Speaker 1>and listeners, if you're going to go, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>two day ticket for the cost of one if you

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<v Speaker 1>use the code b f S like Bigfoot Society but BFS,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll get you some off your cost. Priscilla was

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<v Speaker 1>nice enough to provide that for my listeners, So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. I look forward to seeing you there, so

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you head over to www dot Sasquatch Summerfest

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and pick up your tickets today