Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,
and I'm really excited about two night's guests of this
pre recorded show. And I've said this a number of
times over the years. When I do a pre recorded show,
it's just like a live show, except we're not doing
it live. Now Eric has a schedule and he's a
jazz pianist and I'm going to be playing a clip
of his in just a minute. But our blog this
week is the rise and fall of interest in the
British Crop Circle mystery, and so it's a pretty interesting
another great blog by Charles Leier. Check that out over
at podcastufo dot com. And a number of you have
participated in the survey that I asked for last week,
and that is do you like the two shows a
week or not? Yes or no? And for some reason
I put in the maybe and some people did click
on the maybe, but I did get seventy three percent
of you say they like the two shows a week.
So that means I'm going to be doing two shows
a week. And so the audio blogs, as I mentioned
last week, they're going to be just an audio only.
They're not going to be up on YouTube. And I
have Charles Leeers blessing on that. He said it was
a little bit awkward anyway to put those up with.
I tried videos, I tried pictures, and nobody really seemed
too happy with whatever I tried. But anyway, so you
if you want to check out the blogs on audio blogs,
all you have to do is get the podcast feed,
which is everywhere that you can find a podcast basically,
and if you want an ad free podcast audio podcast,
that's only two dollars a month or more and that's
on Patreon and all that information's right on our website,
podcastufo dot com. So without further I'm bringing my great guest.
I had the chance to meet him a couple of times.
Very grounded, nice guy and very talented. And he's got
a wonderful dog that's joining us today. Gabby, Hey, how
you doing? Is that dog sleeping?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's just adorable, you know, just we
just go as a rescue and yeah, she's like, she's
just very chill.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. Yeah. I saw those pictures and I go,
oh my god, I'm gonna have to find out where
he lives and steal the dog a right, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been a real blessing, you know. So it's
really great. But no, it's great to be with you Martin.
You know, I know we were trying to hook this
up for a while, so I'm glad we get a chance.
So we saw each other just recently at at the
Exeter Festival, which was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. And yeah, so it's
great and glad to be here. So many things going on, man,
it's it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Now, you were by trade, you are a jazz musician,
and how on earth did you get into this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been what thirty two years now
as a jazz musician and my mentor in jazz. I'm
sure you're familiar with the guy, but the name of
Dave Brubeck.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave was a great friend of mine and really
just I learned a lot of like life lessons from Dave,
not only the music, but he was just a real
straight ahead guy. And whenever i'd see him when he'd
come to the Philadelphia area, I'd go backstage and see him.
He'd be like, you play my music better than I
play it. So he was a real, real nice guy,
and him and his wife were excellent. But no, I've
been I've been playing jazz, you know, I've been ever
since three years old. My parents could find me at
the piano playing, you know, trying to have a really
intense interest in the piano. And then when I was fourteen,
I found the music of Dave Brubek and I didn't
even know it was jazz, but that's what I wanted
to play, and I knew that's what I wanted to play.
So I learned about a year's took a year's worth
of lessons. But again coming to the lessons playing, you know,
playing all this obscure Dave Brubeck's stuff, Take five, Blue Rondo,
Olid Turk, and my piano teacher's trying to teach me
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. So he's like, I can't teach
you anymore. So I've always said that I'm a product
of reverse engineering that way, because number I'm largely self taught.
And since then, I mean I started my group in
ninety three, and the guys that are with me right now,
Nelson Hill on saxophone, Dave mon on drums, Jack Hedgey
on bass. We've been together close to twenty years, twenty
plus years, and I always say to my audience, we've
been together longer than most marriages. But it's great. But
I always love the paranormal. That was the whole thing,
you know, being a jazz musician and being in all
these wonderful halls, these concert halls. People would come up
to me and I wouldn't and I didn't even have
the show at this point, but they would come up
to me and say, oh, yeah, by the way, the
place is haunted, you know. I but growing up here,
I'm here in Bucks County, so we're about an hour
north of Philadelphia and northeast, and here we've got a
lot of incredible ghost stories, UFO encounters Bigfoot, believe it
or not, so a lot of really great ties to
the underground railroad, I mean, just you name it. So
hearing all of these stories growing up, my father told
me a lot of stories growing up as a kid,
and I'm an only child, so but it's it was
just an intense interest that we pass by these places
every day and nobody knows what's in their own backyard.
So it went from and I'm still doing jazz but
not as much as I used to. But now, I mean,
because we're so busy in the paranormal world, you know,
most of the year. So in twenty sixteen, I started
my show and it was called Eric Meant Well, actually
I started it. Initially it was called Bucks County Normal Investigations,
but we quickly changed it to Eric Mantel Investigates because
people were calling me from all over the country saying, Hey,
could you investigate our Bed and Breakfast? Are in bed
and Breakfast whatever restaurant we think it's haunted. And now
it's kind of turned into like a paranormal tourism TV
show where we're showing people where to go, what to do,
where to experience these ghosts and all this activity, whether
it's bigfoot UFOs or what. But here's the thing. We
go on site. We're not just there. I mean, we're
not there to do a commercial. We actually are there
doing intense investigations. And you know, Martin, I go into
a lot of these like a little on the skeptical side,
you know, like saying, what's really going on here? But
then having said that and then having captured what we've
actually captured on video. I'm a real firm believer that
number one. At the end of the day, people are
seeing and experiencing something right. And then on the other hand, uh,
there's a real thin veil you know, from here to there,
and and people are experiencing something right now.
Speaker 1: I was at the Crescent Hotel, you know, and the
Ozarks and yeah, with my producer and better half, Donna,
and Mark d' antonio and Mark. Yep, we went all
through the place and when we were in the place
where all the gruesome stuff happened in the basement, Mark
said he felt something on his on his shoulder.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Mark.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 2: I think is also very connected spiritually.
Speaker 1: There's something going on because he's had a number of
things happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, and it's amazing. I had
an interview with him last year, which I still Mark. Sorry,
I've still got to put that out there, but but no,
it's uh, it was amazing to talk to him. But yeah,
he's had so many different like poltergeist encounters, ghost encounters, UFOs,
you know, sighting. So there's I always say there's people
that are definitely connected to the spirit world, you know,
in one way or another.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, I'm going to tell what
I think is a poltergeist thing and a bit here, okay,
because I did have something happen in a house, and
I've talked about it once or twice on this show,
so it's not like, you know, we just missed Halloween.
But I'll talk about it. But first of all, I
just want to play a clip by you and I
just run that right now. I don't know how you
removed us like that, but anyway, I great stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was that was That was a tune
from the last century called Brother Can You Spare a Dime?
Speaker 1: Oh? That was Brother Can You Spare a Dime? I
know that one. I know in the water remakes of
that that was out during the Depression.
Speaker 2: Things haven't changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Judy Judy Collins did a wonderful version of
that one. Yeah, yeah, I love that one. But anyway, yeah, yeah,
excellent And yeah, the piano is such a beautiful instrument.
And I was at the Murph Griffin estate. I did
his appraisal for him and he had a beautiful twelve
or fourteen foot Boustendorf for wow, and my son was
playing on that. It was just filled the room. It
was just amazing. But yeah, yeah, that's the fun. But
here's an odd question I'm going to ask you, because
it's something I ponder when I can't sleep or whatever.
Sure is, if there's intelligent species out there, higher intelligence us,
same as intelligence as us, what do you suppose they
have for music? I think they have music, you know,
that's what you hear it.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. I mean, I'm telling you,
I think that there's certain rhythms, right. You know, music
is not the universal language. Rhythm really is the universal language, right,
So I always think that maybe if there is a
music that these species are listening to, it's a rhythmic
kind of music, whereas maybe we're speaking in rhythms not
in tones. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Not really to me, but exactly, like, I know, everything's
about vibration. You know, that's another thing, right, right?
Speaker 2: Do you know some of the Indian music where it's
like they do a lot of the a lot of
the voice of votes.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, ord Now, I think I understand.
Speaker 2: Thinking about that kind of stuff because it's a whole
musical language that it's it's completely foreign to some people
as far as that goes. But it's a language maybe
that they can understand rather than the musical tones like
you know, the classic close Encounters of the third kind.
But it maybe something else. Maybe it's a maybe it's
a different, different kind of rhythmic structure. That's another maybe
that's their language, but it's in musical form.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I get it now, I understand. Yeah, And
I like the fact that we sent the voyager out
there with oh yeah, with music is one of the things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely love that. And that's still going.
Speaker 1: Right and going and going and going, and yet a
little tiny, tiny fraction of you know, from here to
the sun or whatever. I mean, it's out of the
it's actually out of the solar system exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
But anyway, so I'm going to tell you a little bit.
I'm going to tell you my Poltergeist experience. And of
course we're going to be talking just for the listener
to this the UFO show, so we're gonna be talking
about UFOs, So don't don't fret. And for those of
you have already heard it, I'll try to tell it
kind of quickly, but basically what it was was in
the nineteen nineties in my auction, I had an auction company,
auction business, and I would take antiques out in, paintings
out and I would sell them auction. Well, there was
one house. Now the house is probably in the nineteen forties.
Maybe it wasn't an old house. It wasn't a big house,
but it was two floors, sort of a Cape Cod
style and ready imports with New Hampshire where I now
live part time of the year, so it's a it
was an off time a year, I think it was
either I think it was early spring is what I
think it was, and so I didn't have a lot
of business at the time whatever. So I told the lawyer, hey,
look I'll go in there with the crew and we'll
get the place ready for you to sell, you know,
swept down basically, And he said sure, and so had
all the antiques out of there already, and I went
in with one person and I and we.
Speaker 2: Were cleaning it out.
Speaker 1: He was working mostly in the garage and the first floor.
Now there was no win that day. It was it
was the weather was enough so I could have the
front door open and you know, it wasn't that cold.
So I was upstairs and I was cleaning upstairs basically,
and I went into this one bedroom in the corner
and it had this thick, green, shag ugly carpeting that
they never they never trimmed the door when they put
it into the closet, so you'd have to really pull
the door really hard. So pull the door open really hard,
and I was taking everything out and I was done
sweeping everything the places. There was a hardwood hallway, so
I slid the I slid the broom down the stairways,
the stairway in the front, and that was opposite of
the front door, which was wide open. So I'm working
in the closet and I'm throwing away the clothes and
the hangars. I'm putting them all in the bag, fillip
it back. I go out to the hallway and all
of a sudden, wham, the closet door just slammed, like
shook the house that So I go in and I'm
looking and all the windows are down, storm windows are down.
And then I pulled the door open again, see how
hard it is, and I go, I'm getting the hell
out of here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: As soon as I had that thought and started to turn,
I hear the front door slamming whole house. So I
went running down the stairs and the broom is leaning
up against the door, you know, afterward, you know, looking
at that. And so I went right and I waited
for Ron. He had taken a dump run. Basically, I said,
I'm not going in the house alone.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He was teasing me the whole time we were there,
like we're cleaning out the first floor and he's going woo.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he had a sense of humor. But he also
worked at a funeral home. And if there's a reason
I'm telling you this. We're in the garage and we're
all done, and there was one basket on the floor
to have one of those big loops around it, like
that wicker basket like thing, and he points out and
he said, oh, I see those all the time at
the funeral home. And so I said, okay, we'll have
a good night and we'll see you later. And he's
taken off to go to the dump and I just
walk over. It's the last thing there, and I go
and I walk over to it, and I'm pulling up
on this basket and it's stuck on the floor. Pull
so hard that it breaks in half and the bottom
half stays on the floor and I tossed it in
and all of a sudden, I go, wait, how could
that be? And I went over and I tapped it
with my foot. Nothing home.
Speaker 2: It was oh my god, for that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That really happened.
Speaker 2: Wow and wow.
Speaker 1: At the time it happened in the nineties, I thought,
I'm never going to tell anyone the story. Now I
could care less, but I just like it was just
so crazy. Who is ever going to believe me? But
you know, it happened.
Speaker 2: It happened, man. I mean I believe you because you know,
and here's the thing, you just said it. You know,
I think we're in a period right now where all
of these things that people are experiencing are right on
the table. You know, You've got the government saying, hey, folks,
the UFOs, your singer real, we just don't know what
they are. It's giving people that less of a stigma
to tell their story, you know. So stories like that.
We hear that kind of stuff all the time. And
what I love about it is that you said it.
People are not afraid to come on camera and talk
about it, you know, the care less. So that's a
that's a good thing. And I think that's what we
need more of. I'm finishing up a little documentary on
the Carbondale UFO encounter, which happened on actually yesterday was
fifty first anniversary on November ninth of nineteen seventy four,
where an orb, an orange orb, landed in a pond
in Carbondale and it glowed in this pond for eight
hours and so everybody, you know, back then they covered
it up by saying they threw a lantern, like a
railroad lantern in there, and that was that was what
the glow was. But it's an it was an incandescent lantern.
In a minute, that's going to hit the water, it's
going to go out. This thing lasted for eight hours
and then the government came in, Army came in and
took something out almost similar to like the Kecksburg incident,
so very very similar, and this was nineteen seventy four.
I'm speaking to another witness on Wednesday, and I'll be
finishing up the video, but he and from all accounts,
it was definitely not a lantern, you know, And it's
like that the Shag Harbor incidents, same kind of thing,
you know, where people thought, you know, they saw so
many witnesses across the board see these things, and you
know Exeter where we were just up there. So I
think it's great that people are coming forward and telling
their story because it's adding so much more validity. What's
really going on out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just bringing up there's not there's nineteen seventy four.
It kind of talks about it, so it was Now
there's so recently there's something out there that I have
seen a lot of information about, but I'm not really sure.
Haven't looked into how factual it is, and that these
usos that are showing up along the coast and a
lot of them are. There is some video out there
of like glowing under water. I don't I've seen this.
Speaker 2: I saw that and I was like, I saw that.
I'm you know, we have to be really careful, I'm sure,
as you know, because we're like in the age of AI, right,
so everything is like but I've gotten some footage that
you could definitely tell is definitely not fake. And I
always like to go back to the original polaroids that
were taken back in the seventies, you know, because there's
nothing I mean, it was there. Whatever they captured on
tape or on film. But yes, I've seen some of
those lights and I mean here you've got some of
the navy pilots. I think that there was one one
of those USO's was going into the ocean. Remember that
was like a sphere and it was like splashing went
down to the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean you go all the way back to nineteen
seventy one with the USS Tripang who actually saw I mean,
this thing come out of the water and it's on
the periscope. They recorded it, took pictures of this thing,
huge triangular object coming out of the ocean right there
by in the Antarctic area. It's very very interesting stuff, man,
And I think you're gonna to see as we go
along here, more and more of this stuff is getting
out there.
Speaker 1: Now. I think this particular picture, yeah, a polaroid, but yep,
I'm really sure that was in Australia. And this one
we know is one of the polaroids too.
Speaker 2: Rex heflin. Yep. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yep. And I'm trying to think who it is in
southern California, very very well known. She just can't remember
her name right now. She passed away a number of
years ago. But she was a researcher that was very
well respected. She has had those in her safe and
when I spoke to her daughter, daughter still has them,
the original polaroids in her safe.
Speaker 2: Now did you know that that Rex Heflin picture made
it into the en Slight Encyclopedia Britannica under the description
of spacecraft Wow, in the nineteen sixty five encyclopedia. I
have the I have a copy of it here. It's
amazing that they took that photo and made it a spacecraft,
you know, like describing what a UFO or a spacecraft
would be.
Speaker 1: Okay, So for those of you who are younger, Encyclopedia
is kind of what inspired Wikipedia. I guess that's a
big way too. Yeah with that, Yeah, and you know
what I mean. Uh, Donna was talking about as a
little kid like reading all the encyclopedia, like, you know,
every every part of it. And I loved it too
because there was all this information. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Something you could leave, you could thumb through with your
you know, and just you know, visually look at it,
you know, and you're and I I always love books.
Wherever we go, I'm always looking for UFO books or
any kind of paranormal books. But I just love books.
There's just something tangible about a book that miss you
miss from, you know, the being online stuff.
Speaker 1: That's right now. Do you ever do any work or
speak with San Gordon? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stan, as a matter of fact, just called me
the other day. I was when I just was in
speaking to Carbondale. I was in Carbondale last weekend speak
at the Carbondale Alien Festival, which was really a lot
of fun. But Stan had called me that day. They've
got a lot of really incredible things going on out
in western Pennsylvania where I'm here. Obviously in Pennsylvania, Stands
about I guess four and a half hours west of me.
But he's always getting reports stuffs going on, UFOs, bigfoot,
thunderbirds all around the Chestnut Ridge area, the area between
Pennsylvania and Virginia.
Speaker 1: Now, I talked to him just a couple of days ago,
but I can't right now. Kg Ira has basically they
have a non functioning phone system, and stand is like
old school and you can only be on the phone.
I know, I'm trying to figure out how to get
him on the show again, because he's always a great guest.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's great. Yeah, I told him to he just
get on I think his one of his teammates there, Eric,
he can get him online somehow, you know, and that
would work on that. Yeah, me too, man, it's always
just his voice. I'd rather see him on video. But
he's got a couple of new documentaries coming out. He's
going to be in the one by David Politis about Bigfoot,
Oh wow, coming out on December first, I think, which
is gonna looks really good. And then there's another one,
Age of Disclosure. I think he's in on that one
as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, that's coming out on November twenty first. Yeah,
I can't be trying to get Dan Ferrara. That's you know,
are you with that film? Basically?
Speaker 2: Did you get in that one too?
Speaker 1: I didn't, Yes, in a roundabout way, just laughing because
if you I was told by someone that went and
watched it when it was at out in Texas when
they have that film festival out there. They saw Age
of Disclosure and they contacted me and said, hey, I
saw you today, and I said what he said, Yeah,
you're in the back of the room at the heir
and you know during the Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's
as good as I got in there. But anyway, so
a lot is going on, like you mentioned, So when
you're doing this show, do you ever investigate UFOs or
is it always ghosts?
Speaker 2: Oh no, we do it all. We do it all ghosts, UFOs,
Bigfoot dog Man sightings, believe it or not, Actually UFOs.
We just had a huge UFO flap here in Bucks County. Now,
remember last year we had the drone situation was going
on with all the drones. Well, people in New Jersey.
New Jersey is not that far from where I am,
so that we're getting a lot of reports. We were
getting a lot of video of these things. Now, some
of these things could have been drones, They could have
been you know, military drones or whatever, but some of
them weren't. I mean, some of these things were disappearing,
They were changing shape, moving in unconventional ways, very strange.
And I have footage I got to I should send
this to you too. Five of these orange orbs are
like hovering over a field in New Jersey that someone
sent to me, and and this was at midnight and
they said someone came up the driveway while they were
videotaping this. And then took off immediately, so it was
it was weird. I think it might have been some
of that actually saw the lights too and wanted to
get a better shot. But yeah, very very interesting stuff,
but we did that. We've had right here in Bucks County,
people were seeing this low flying, brightly lit objects, silent hovering.
A guy with the name of Martin or Mitch Sherman
said to me, Hey, would you guys want to come
over and investigate this. I've got this weird light that
keeps coming over my house for the last few months. Now,
would you want to check it out? I said, yeah,
I'll be right up because he's about fifteen minutes from here.
So went up met with him and his wife, Robin,
and what they told me blew me away. But he
also showed us this footage of this orb basically just
going over the sky by his house, and it's amazing
and it looks like the plasma orbs that you see
on a lot of these videos. But his wife, Robin,
had a really interesting case. This is a crazy case.
She had what she describes as a finger I don't
know if you've gotten these reports too, A finger sized
point of light right that came right up to her
as they saw this craft, This finger sized point of
light came up to her and it stood there for
a second and took off. So I'm thinking of myself,
finger sized point of light. Light continues, it's just not
not contained in that. But she said it was contained
in this area and boom it took off. But I've
gotten other reports of people that have had these orbs
come up to them and they're like looking at them
like this this, and then they take off. So I'm wondering,
what is this thing scanning people? Is it taking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like and I've always you always hear
these stories about these you know when they talk about
light being unusual. You know, you can even go back
to the Rendelsham forests and you know, Charles Halt says
that it came down like a tube almost the light did. Yeah,
oh yeah, it wasn't normal light. And then a lot
of people will also say that what they see on
a craft on the underside is not a normal light.
Speaker 2: There's something different about it exactly. Yeah, it's it's really strange.
So we've been doing that. We've been getting a lot
of UFO reports which have been great. We investigated believe
it or not, over in New Jersey, in the pine
barrens of New Jersey. Now, everybody knows in the pine barrens, right,
what's in the pine barrens the Jersey Devil. That's what
everybody thinks of as the New Jersey Pine barons. But
what I always thought that the Jersey Devil was a
misidentification at Bigfoot, because the Jersey Devil, if if your
listeners would know this, it's like it's supposed to be
as big as a winged horse. Or they've also got
reports it's small as a turkey or a medium sized dog.
So there's been so many different reports that way. But
we were down in the pine barrens, and this was
October of twenty twenty one, and we were investigating Bigfoot
sightings there with a couple of researchers that were getting reports,
believe it or not, of these five to six foot tall,
hairy individuals as they call them, going into properties, getting
the garbage out of the out of their garbage and
taking it back into the woods with them. They're getting
hair samples, tracks, all kinds of crazy stuff. So we
went down to that area, it's the Wharton State Forest
and you know, Martin, when you're on site, man, I mean,
it's a whole different thing. I mean, you know, we're
in If anybody knows the pine barrens, it's nothing but
thousands and thousands of acres of just dense forest. So
we went down about five five miles on these what
they call fire roads to get into this area. We're
going down to an area called the Bowl and it
just sounds like it sounds like it's high on the
sides and low in the middle, just like a bowl.
And we stopped the truck, went in about six hundred
yards and set up base camp. So we're sitting there
and it was me Dominic. I'm dragging Dominic out of
his hunting. Cryptis is completely out of his wheelhouse being
a spirit medium. He's been my teammate with this venture
for like the last almost ten years now, and we
went to high school together, never thinking that he was,
never knowing that he was a spirit medium because you
never said anything like that back in the eighties, like that,
but so you know, it was taboo. But he came
back into my life a year after I started, and
that thirty years had gone by, and he said, hey,
I might be able to help you out with with
your investigations because I'm a spirit medium and I'm like, oh,
this is great, so because he has what I don't
have that way. But we're down there and I'm dragging
him down to the pine barrens investigating Bigfoot, and I'll
tell you it was him. It was Dominic Art Mack
was one of the researchers me and Eric Spinner was
another researcher. We're all sitting there talking about their protocol,
what they do for the research, and all of a sudden,
we hear a whoop in the woods behind us, and
I had you know, whenever I saw those Bigfoot shows, Martin,
I always had a laugh because I'm like, is these
guys are whooping and hollering? I'm like, is that what
they really sound like? But I'll be damned if that's
not what we heard. So Eric's wife, Heather, goes and
answers it back and they're getting vocalizations back and forth.
It was the spookiest thing I ever heard. And in
the middle of nowhere. We're in the middle of nowhere.
There's no houses around because we were in a seed
or swamp, so there's nothing that could be built down there,
there's nobody there, they're having this conversation and it was amazing.
That's on my video. It's called Pine Barren's Bigfoot. And
then this we had October twenty one of twenty twenty
one general was just a crazy, like crazy paranormal year.
You know, so many things were going on. We were
getting the UFO reports because you know, we were coming
out of COVID at that right. You know, people are
in their houses and nobody's outside. But finally people are
getting outside and they're seeing all kinds of crazy stuff
out there. So we got a lot of reports, and
especially when we investigated a week earlier. We went and
investigated from the Pine Barrens. A week earlier, we were
in Elkhorn, Wisconsin investigating the Beast of Bray Road. I
don't know if you've ever heard of this thing, but
it's a dog man.
Speaker 1: I have heard. I have heard that before, yes.
Speaker 2: And it's it's supposed to be six to seven foot tall, upright,
canine dog man, werewolf if you will, creature that. People
have been seeing this thing for years, and Martin I
went out to this investigation completely like we're not going
to see anything, you know, it's going to be a
great documentary. We're going to talk to some great people,
but we're not going to get anything. We're not. Damn,
this is it's a great story. But and man, was
I wrong. I was totally wrong the night of October
third of twenty twenty one. I'll never forget it. I mean,
and I could send you some of these clips too
that maybe you could put in the show here. But
we heard the we we saw a number one. We
saw UFO go over the field that we were in
investigating at night and it did a forty five degree
angle and blinked out. We heard these ungodly howls, which
were definitely not coyote, dogs, wolves, anything like that. Everybody
that I've had listened to this howl, who was a
seasoned outdoorsman hunter everything, they all said, it sounds like
what I thought. It sounded like. It sounds like a man.
This screaming, like low guttural scream. So that investigation was crazy.
We'd have missed came up from the field that we
were in that was messing It was like an electronic
fog that was messing with our electronics. And then the
entire town of Elkhorn lost power that night, so it
was just we had a trifecta and then some of
paranormal activity.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Wow, sounds crazy. What is your favorite
thing to investigate of all that all that you do.
Speaker 2: I just think my favorite is just the next one,
the next investigation, whether it's ghosts or UFOs. I really
enjoy investing in Bigfoot and dog Man because there are
believe it or not. I just didn't realize how many
reports there are of these cryptids and UFOs, of course,
because I've had my own UFO encounters several times, and
so that's near and dear to my heart. Ghosts is
a whole different story. I'm like, I'm probably the most
sick skeptical when it comes to ghosts. But again, like
I said before, having captured what we've captured on video,
you know there's something there. And I think again, people
are really connected to that, to that spirit world, because
you know how it is. You could be standing there
and you could see a full body apparition of a ghost,
but the person next to you doesn't see it for
whatever reason, you know, cause your antenna may be more
attuned to that whereas this person. And it's all like
you said before, energy, it's all energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's there's a fascinating aspect to that, which that's why
I love these videos as well, because it seems that
it's it's this, it's a connection that goes beyond just
the ordinary. Maybe it's maybe it's family lines, maybe it's
within families. You know how families sometimes have these UFO encounters.
They've seen ghosts over the years and that family member
or the great grandfather had seen something, or they may
be like spiritually connected. They may be a medium, psychic,
they've got those abilities. So there's some kind of connection
to that, and that's that's one of the things that
I like to investigate as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell another ghost story. I know
it's all your favorite narrative, but anyway, So years ago,
I'm talking about nineteen seventy five or something like that,
my sister had an operation. My father had this beautiful
colonial home and it was on busy Route one where
all the outlet malls are now in Kittery, Maine. And
so we had this big, historic home and I think
it was early seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: I whenever I would stay there to watch the dog
or whatever. I'd have these weird things happen, like the
door would lock, it was a hasp on the other side,
and I have to go around the other stairway to
go down, and I think, what are the odds of
the hasp? Actually? Anyway, so those things were happening when
I was there alone, but nothing else. So my sister
had an operation. She's staying there and she's talking to
me on the phone and she said, I can't believe
I saw this little girl in a white dress and
I could see right through it. And I go holy smoked.
I said, did you ask Dad? And he says, oh, yeah,
he says he sees her all the time. That would
be my father. That's just oh yeah, she's here. Yeah,
she doesn't bother you that type of thing. So anyway,
I just I kind of forgot about it, you know.
And and the years went by, and the outlet malls
came in this place, and they moved the house somehow
down the road about a quarter of a mile. So
they moved the house down the road, put it on
the other side of the street in a vacant lot.
And so I'm driving by there one day and I
see an antique shop in there. I go, my god,
because my dad had an antique shop. Isn't that funny?
Someone has an antiqu shop in this building. So I
stopped in there and there was accountants, like an accountant
office in the front, and then the antique shop was
in the back. And I went in there and I
was talking to the guy, was a young guy, and
I finally got up the courage and I said, Hey,
anybody ever say anything weird about happening here? He goes,
do you mean the little girl in the white dress?
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, seriously and.
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, my daughter was talking in the back
room and I went in and he said she said
there was a little girl in a white dress there,
And he says, go around and asked the accountants. They
see it all the time. So I went in the
accountant office and say, oh, yeah, whenever we're here alone
at night or whatever, I don't stay here. You know.
The woman said, I'm staying here alone after I saw that.
So anyway, I stayed in the house. The house was
moved and stayed there, and whatever it was, they were
seeing it. So again, I don't claim that these things,
you know, I have no idea what they are. Something
is there. It's like my own encounter that I just
talked about earlier. I don't know what it was. Something happened.
I'm not saying it was a ghost. I don't know
what it was.
Speaker 2: But if people other people are seeing that, that's that's
really wild. And with unprompted too, you know, that's amazing, man,
that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I want to ask you this. The connection
people often talk about is UFOs and Bigfoot. Have you
ever had anything that there was any type of connection.
Speaker 2: I personally haven't yet, but back in the seventies right
here in Pennsylvania, and you know, you'll probably talk to
Stan Gordon about it too, because he had a huge
uh rash of Bigfoot UFO sightings back around the middle
of Pennsylvania around the Greensburg area in the seventies was
seventy three to seventy four. But I find this fascinating too,
This is this is really wild. The researcher that it
was just talking about, Art mac He had a brilliant
theory that you know, if UFOs are abducting people, right,
why not, why aren't they they could be abducting Bigfoot
and research and you know, examining that, and then when
you see the Bigfoot in UFO, it's like they just
dropped Bigfoot off. You know. It could be something similar
to that, or it's another thing where, you know, Bigfoot.
The whole idea with Bigfoot in UFOs Bigfoot is like
an interdimensional being because you it's there, yeah one second,
and then it's gone the next.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of people are speculating that about that again.
You know, I was thought, like I've I really don't
know what to think about Bigfoot, to be honest with you,
I really you know, but it just seems like someone
is seeing something. There was a story of this woman
like in her nineties that called and she said she
saw an orange orb come down over a field and
all of a sudden, she said, I can't believe it,
but a bigfoot popped out of it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I've brought.
Speaker 1: It sounds bizarre, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Well the night, well, the night that we did the
Bigfoot investigation in the pine barrens, we kept seeing red
pin points of light like the eyeshine, like with all
these little red pinpoints light. And then some guys have
been seeing lights coming from the tops of the trees
down to the forest floor, and then then a bigfoot's
manifesting itself and then disappearing again. We did a follow
up in twenty twenty three of the Bigfoot where we
were in the pine barrens in that Bowl area. Now,
prior to that, a few months prior, about three months
prior to that, they had a pretty bad wildfires in
the pine barrens, and if we were in that area
that we sat in at the Bowl, we would have
been on fire because that's where the fires were. We
got back there in September and it had been coming back,
the trees were coming back. It's a beautiful cedar swamp
down there, but you could see the trees were all charred.
But we went back to that area and Art thought,
you know, it's going to be a really dead area
around here. There's probably going to be nothing here. And
so Art, unfortunately he's gott he's got cancer and he's
going through some cancer treatments and he's got to take
some medications. Now we're sitting in base camp again in
the circle at night and Art goes, yeah, guys, I
don't know if it's the if it's the medications or what,
but my heart is really racing right now. So as
he says that we all hear a branch crack behind us,
we all whip around with the camera and here there
is a branch going like this, like something just was there.
Speaker 1: Wow, And I saw two for two.
Speaker 2: Seconds, two yellow eyes about seven feet up that just disappeared.
They were there and then gone. So that's the interdimensional thing.
I'm thinking, Did I just see what I saw and
it was there and then gone? Well you could still
hear something clumping back into the into the swamp. So
at that point I'm thinking to myself, well, maybe that
was the Jersey Devil, maybe that was you know, who knows.
Maybe that was another dog man, or maybe was Bigfoot,
but it was That was the craziest night too. We
kept getting more howls and more rustling. Sounds very very strange.
Speaker 1: Now, did you do you ever get to the point
where it scared you enough that you wanted to pack
up and get the heck out of there. Oh yeah,
I would be gone in an instant.
Speaker 2: Well let me tell let me put it to you
this way. Dominic said that he felt safer in the
pine barrens than he did in Elcorn. Investigating the dog
man because what we heard that night really was crazy, Martin,
And I can't straight to you enough. Like when I
heard that hewl, it completely changed my whole perspective of
what was out there. Now, even though we heard the hewl,
we're still like, what are we hearing? What is this?
But then what really got me to get the hell
out of there was when Dominic said, shine the light
over to the corner, over to where we heard the howls.
So we shine the light over there. Now again, the
corn was up at this point, it's about six seven
feet up and this thing is supposed to be six
to seven feet tall. Six to seven feet up in
the corn, we see eyeshine going like this back and
forth in the corn. And that was it. I said, Okay,
we're out of here. We're out of here, because I
was telling us this is my territory, get out of here.
And look, we didn't have any protection. We had a
flashlight and a radio. That was it. We didn't even
have air spray, nothing, no weapons, nothing. So that was
my stupidity of thinking that we'd not see anything and
going in totally unprepared. And then what I didn't realize,
and I don't know why, I didn't do this, but
there was three series of three howls. On the second howl,
I had listened to those howls just a couple of
months ago on headphones. I didn't do it for a
couple of years, but I listened to the headphones. And
on the second howl, there's a growl that happens behind us.
So something was there and it was moving. They were
moving in on us, and I didn't realize that at all.
So it's the whole thing of being on site. So
in other words, we were at a really dangerous situation
and we're blissfully unaware of it.
Speaker 1: Now is it hard to get to sleep in a
tent at night in a situation?
Speaker 2: When a situation happened, we went back to the hotel.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: We went back to the hotel and that again that night,
the whole town of Elkhorn lost power. So we haven't
been out ever camping per se and at ten to
do that. Which, now here's the thing. We've just got
aion to explore the extra one hundred and eighty five
acres that are out in Elcorn. So we're gonna be
planning another expedition next year because Martin something is out there.
Because Lee Hample, who I've talked to who actually we
were on his farm, He's still getting the screams and
the hollers out there. He's getting all kinds of crazy
activity that's still going on to this day.
Speaker 1: What about like a trail cam. Have you thought about
doing something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's the thing. Lee has tons of
trail cams. But here's the thing. We're out there that night,
not one picture it's Lee. We went the next morning.
Lee goes the trail cams weren't working last night. It
was like they were turned off at five o'clock and
didn't come back on until seven o'clock in the next morning,
so there was no pictures of us out there. But
Lee has gotten tons of pictures of this creature, whatever
it is. He's gotten. He's got hair samples, I mean,
just just incredible stuff. He's got UFOs out there as well.
He's even got this weird like pterodactyl looking thing flying
around on the property. So it's like a I think
it's a portal out there. It's like, you know, one
of those areas that's got that very high energy area
like the lay lines you know in the world. But
I think it's that is an area there that I
think this dog man might even be coming in through
this portal somehow.
Speaker 1: Now, when you say there's pictures out there, can people
actually access any of these?
Speaker 2: No, okay, only because they are pretty much I mean
they could see them on my video it's called the
Beast of Burrey Road Alive. And well I had put
pictures on there from Lee's barn. But no, Lee doesn't
have He doesn't have a lot of these out there
because number one, he's keeping some of these very close
to the vest because there are some pictures there that here,
they'll just blow you away, I mean, what's what's there?
And uh, And he's doing a lot of research. He
wants to get some DNA samples done on the hair samples,
but or DNA testing done on the hair samples, but
he can't be he's not doing that. They want to
charge him thousands of dollars to do that, and it's
he doesn't have that right.
Speaker 1: So this is does he have some type of fear
of getting this having this stuff out there in some
type of way? I mean, what would be the reasoning
why doesn't want to put it out there.
Speaker 2: I don't think he does have any fear that way,
because he's made it it. He's kind of made it
like sort of an attraction out there where they'll do
a little hay ride and he'll show people where, you know,
where the where this stuff has happened. Okay, but yeah, no,
he uh, he might have. Actually he might have some
stuff out on his website on hample dot com. But
but most of the stuff he you know, there's a
lot of TV shows, Martin that have done, you know,
documentaries on his property. So he'll he's shown a lot
of the researchers pictures.
Speaker 1: Now, everything you just said there about what the thing,
the things that he was seeing, it seems to me
that someone had sent me some images, especially when you
said the pterodactyl type thing. Someone had sent me some
pictures I'm going to say a couple of years ago.
I don't know if I had, if there's any type
of connection, but it sounds very, very similar to that.
And by the way, I do get a lot of email,
and all I can say to the people's be patient.
I usually get back to everyone I you know, if
I can't. But but yeah, there's a earlier we were
talking about drones and people who have been talking about
the Belgium, you know, the airport being closed, and there's
some type of an incursion. I don't know if it's
a military recursion incursion or not, but there's possibly where
nukes are or something like that. I'm hearing all these
little bits and pieces, but I just don't know any
of the facts. But for one thing, I will tell
you there's a lot of people still saying that the
drones is not a passing situation, that it's that it's
still ongoing. It's just oh yeah, so much.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, it kind of went away there for a
little while, but now they're still there. They're still out there.
I've seen them on my way home from I did
like like thirty five talks since I saw you in Exeter.
Right the next week, I started talks every single night
of the week practically for September and October.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: When I would come home at night, I'd see these
things and it was just weird because they were very
very like this didn't weren't like regular planes, you know,
they were just hovering there. And I stopped the car
one night just to see if I could hear anything,
and I could hear nothing. It was going over the
car and I was like, well, this is getting a
little spooky, man, I'm going to get out of here.
So it was strange that way. But no, I mean
before the drones even happened and what people are seeing
these orange orbs. I had my own UFO encounter back
in twenty sixteen. This is January of twenty sixteen. My
girlfriend Cherry and I outside of an area called New Hope, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that area.
Speaker 2: It's a great area. Right. So we were coming home
from dinner and she had rented a farmhouse at the
time in Stockton, New Jersey. You know where Stockton is.
It's like right over over you have to cross the Delaware.
We were coming outside of New Hope into Center Bridge
to go over the Center Bridge bridge to.
Speaker 1: Very tiny bridge, right, very narrow bridge.
Speaker 2: To go over Stockton, New Jersey. So as soon as
we hit the bridge we get on there, all of
a sudden, out of the corner of my eye, I
see these five orange orbs just appeared out of nowhere.
It was the most unbelievable thing. And when they appeared,
it looked like swirling lava and they were only a
couple of hundred feet above the bridge, so it wasn't
as high as a star. It was low. And so
of course what do I do. I go to get
my phone, try to take a picture, and the flash
goes off. In the car, of course I have to
take the flash off. And by that time, one by
one they started disappearing, and Sherry's so and she said
they did like this search pattern over the river, and
then one by one they started going going away. And
then I was able to get one shot, and I'll
tell you it was. It looked like a plasma ball,
but it was just it was the most unbelievable thing.
And we're still wrapping our heads around what could be.
Speaker 1: And now you have that picture now on your phone.
I do like you share it with us. I could
put it in the You can just send me an
email and I'll put it in the show notes for
everybody to see. But anyway, no, all good. So yeah,
I'm looking forward to that. Also, I want to just
ask you, we only have a couple of minutes left here,
what was the other UFO sitem you had? You said
you had a couple.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there was a one there and then I
had told you about the one in Doylestown with the
people that had uh that had seen the orb. And
then just last year, another of friends of mine, speaking
of the USOS, they had an encounter in the middle
of the Bahamas where they saw these really weird what
they thought. She describes them as like cartoon splats, but
these were like translucent blobs. They were above three hundred
feet above the water, dancing, tweeting and flying around like this,
translucent at night. This is like twelve thirty night. It
looked like fireworks going off, right, but these were lights.
And all of a sudden they go to get the
camera phone, but come back. She goes, oh my god,
look and here out of the water comes a big,
huge orange orb that hovers above the water for three
seconds and then takes off after those tweeting things. And
I was the most bizarre report I've ever heard. And
I'm thinking to myself, are we even talking about machines? Now?
Maybe this is some kind of new life form that
were that's emerging, you know.
Speaker 1: There's a yeah, there's speculation about that, or like a
life form that we're just now seeing that may have
been here always exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy so wild we get talk for hours, man.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure we will eventually. So yeah, I
would love to have you back again. And but where
can someone find the Eric Mentel Investigates.
Speaker 2: They can find me several places YouTube, Eric Mintel Investigates
at Ericintelinvestigates dot org. You can go on Pocono Television
Network app and look look at uh we're on every
night at seven o'clock Wow Provision YEP. And also the
Beyond Paranormal Network. That's another channel that's on all the
Roku TVs and all the smart television Beyond Paranormal and
we're on there quite frequently.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, Eric, it is always always great talking to you,
and it was really fun to hang out when we
are at the same place at the same time.
Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to the next one me too.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much, Thanks Martin. Okay, all right, everyone,
so come back on Thursday night. We have Danielle Silverman
on at eight o'clock Eastern. Thanks so much everyone for
being here, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.