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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,

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and I'm really excited about two night's guests of this

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pre recorded show. And I've said this a number of

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times over the years. When I do a pre recorded show,

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it's just like a live show, except we're not doing

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it live. Now Eric has a schedule and he's a

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jazz pianist and I'm going to be playing a clip

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of his in just a minute. But our blog this

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week is the rise and fall of interest in the

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British Crop Circle mystery, and so it's a pretty interesting

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another great blog by Charles Leier. Check that out over

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at podcastufo dot com. And a number of you have

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participated in the survey that I asked for last week,

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and that is do you like the two shows a

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week or not? Yes or no? And for some reason

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I put in the maybe and some people did click

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on the maybe, but I did get seventy three percent

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of you say they like the two shows a week.

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So that means I'm going to be doing two shows

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a week. And so the audio blogs, as I mentioned

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last week, they're going to be just an audio only.

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They're not going to be up on YouTube. And I

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have Charles Leeers blessing on that. He said it was

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a little bit awkward anyway to put those up with.

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I tried videos, I tried pictures, and nobody really seemed

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too happy with whatever I tried. But anyway, so you

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if you want to check out the blogs on audio blogs,

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all you have to do is get the podcast feed,

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which is everywhere that you can find a podcast basically,

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and if you want an ad free podcast audio podcast,

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that's only two dollars a month or more and that's

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on Patreon and all that information's right on our website,

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podcastufo dot com. So without further I'm bringing my great guest.

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I had the chance to meet him a couple of times.

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Very grounded, nice guy and very talented. And he's got

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a wonderful dog that's joining us today. Gabby, Hey, how

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you doing? Is that dog sleeping?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's just adorable, you know, just we

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just go as a rescue and yeah, she's like, she's

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just very chill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. Yeah. I saw those pictures and I go,

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oh my god, I'm gonna have to find out where

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he lives and steal the dog a right, Yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been a real blessing, you know. So it's

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really great. But no, it's great to be with you Martin.

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You know, I know we were trying to hook this

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up for a while, so I'm glad we get a chance.

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So we saw each other just recently at at the

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Exeter Festival, which was really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. And yeah, so it's

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great and glad to be here. So many things going on, man,

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it's it's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Now, you were by trade, you are a jazz musician,

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and how on earth did you get into this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been what thirty two years now

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as a jazz musician and my mentor in jazz. I'm

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sure you're familiar with the guy, but the name of

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Dave Brubeck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave was a great friend of mine and really

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just I learned a lot of like life lessons from Dave,

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not only the music, but he was just a real

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straight ahead guy. And whenever i'd see him when he'd

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come to the Philadelphia area, I'd go backstage and see him.

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He'd be like, you play my music better than I

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play it. So he was a real, real nice guy,

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and him and his wife were excellent. But no, I've

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been I've been playing jazz, you know, I've been ever

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since three years old. My parents could find me at

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the piano playing, you know, trying to have a really

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intense interest in the piano. And then when I was fourteen,

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I found the music of Dave Brubek and I didn't

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even know it was jazz, but that's what I wanted

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to play, and I knew that's what I wanted to play.

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So I learned about a year's took a year's worth

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of lessons. But again coming to the lessons playing, you know,

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playing all this obscure Dave Brubeck's stuff, Take five, Blue Rondo,

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Olid Turk, and my piano teacher's trying to teach me

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Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. So he's like, I can't teach

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you anymore. So I've always said that I'm a product

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of reverse engineering that way, because number I'm largely self taught.

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And since then, I mean I started my group in

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ninety three, and the guys that are with me right now,

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Nelson Hill on saxophone, Dave mon on drums, Jack Hedgey

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on bass. We've been together close to twenty years, twenty

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plus years, and I always say to my audience, we've

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been together longer than most marriages. But it's great. But

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I always love the paranormal. That was the whole thing,

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these wonderful halls, these concert halls. People would come up

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to me and I wouldn't and I didn't even have

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the show at this point, but they would come up

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to me and say, oh, yeah, by the way, the

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place is haunted, you know. I but growing up here,

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north of Philadelphia and northeast, and here we've got a

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lot of incredible ghost stories, UFO encounters Bigfoot, believe it

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or not, so a lot of really great ties to

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the underground railroad, I mean, just you name it. So

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hearing all of these stories growing up, my father told

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and I'm an only child, so but it's it was

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just an intense interest that we pass by these places

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every day and nobody knows what's in their own backyard.

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not as much as I used to. But now, I mean,

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because we're so busy in the paranormal world, you know,

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most of the year. So in twenty sixteen, I started

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my show and it was called Eric Meant Well, actually

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I started it. Initially it was called Bucks County Normal Investigations,

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but we quickly changed it to Eric Mantel Investigates because

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people were calling me from all over the country saying, Hey,

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could you investigate our Bed and Breakfast? Are in bed

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and Breakfast whatever restaurant we think it's haunted. And now

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it's kind of turned into like a paranormal tourism TV

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show where we're showing people where to go, what to do,

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where to experience these ghosts and all this activity, whether

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it's bigfoot UFOs or what. But here's the thing. We

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go on site. We're not just there. I mean, we're

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not there to do a commercial. We actually are there

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doing intense investigations. And you know, Martin, I go into

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a lot of these like a little on the skeptical side,

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you know, like saying, what's really going on here? But

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then having said that and then having captured what we've

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actually captured on video. I'm a real firm believer that

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number one. At the end of the day, people are

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seeing and experiencing something right. And then on the other hand, uh,

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there's a real thin veil you know, from here to there,

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and and people are experiencing something right now.

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Speaker 1: I was at the Crescent Hotel, you know, and the

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Ozarks and yeah, with my producer and better half, Donna,

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and Mark d' antonio and Mark. Yep, we went all

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through the place and when we were in the place

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where all the gruesome stuff happened in the basement, Mark

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said he felt something on his on his shoulder.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Mark.

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Speaker 1: Mark.

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Speaker 2: I think is also very connected spiritually.

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Speaker 1: There's something going on because he's had a number of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, and it's amazing. I had

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an interview with him last year, which I still Mark. Sorry,

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I've still got to put that out there, but but no,

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it's uh, it was amazing to talk to him. But yeah,

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he's had so many different like poltergeist encounters, ghost encounters, UFOs,

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you know, sighting. So there's I always say there's people

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that are definitely connected to the spirit world, you know,

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in one way or another.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, I'm going to tell what

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because I did have something happen in a house, and

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so it's not like, you know, we just missed Halloween.

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But I'll talk about it. But first of all, I

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just want to play a clip by you and I

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just run that right now. I don't know how you

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removed us like that, but anyway, I great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was that was That was a tune

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from the last century called Brother Can You Spare a Dime?

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Speaker 1: Oh? That was Brother Can You Spare a Dime? I

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know that one. I know in the water remakes of

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that that was out during the Depression.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Judy Judy Collins did a wonderful version of

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that one. Yeah, yeah, I love that one. But anyway, yeah, yeah,

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excellent And yeah, the piano is such a beautiful instrument.

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his appraisal for him and he had a beautiful twelve

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or fourteen foot Boustendorf for wow, and my son was

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playing on that. It was just filled the room. It

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was just amazing. But yeah, yeah, that's the fun. But

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same as intelligence as us, what do you suppose they

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that's what you hear it.

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I think that there's certain rhythms, right. You know, music

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music that these species are listening to, it's a rhythmic

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kind of music, whereas maybe we're speaking in rhythms not

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in tones. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Thinking about that kind of stuff because it's a whole

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musical language that it's it's completely foreign to some people

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I get it now, I understand. Yeah, And

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I like the fact that we sent the voyager out

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there with oh yeah, with music is one of the things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely love that. And that's still going.

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Speaker 1: Right and going and going and going, and yet a

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little tiny, tiny fraction of you know, from here to

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the sun or whatever. I mean, it's out of the

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it's actually out of the solar system exactly. Yeah. Yeah,

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But anyway, so I'm going to tell you a little bit.

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I'm going to tell you my Poltergeist experience. And of

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course we're going to be talking just for the listener

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to this the UFO show, so we're gonna be talking

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about UFOs, So don't don't fret. And for those of

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you have already heard it, I'll try to tell it

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kind of quickly, but basically what it was was in

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the nineteen nineties in my auction, I had an auction company,

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auction business, and I would take antiques out in, paintings

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out and I would sell them auction. Well, there was

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one house. Now the house is probably in the nineteen forties.

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but it was two floors, sort of a Cape Cod

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style and ready imports with New Hampshire where I now

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think it was, and so I didn't have a lot

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of business at the time whatever. So I told the lawyer, hey,

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get the place ready for you to sell, you know,

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Speaker 1: He was working mostly in the garage and the first floor.

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Now there was no win that day. It was it

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was the weather was enough so I could have the

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front door open and you know, it wasn't that cold.

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and I went into this one bedroom in the corner

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and it had this thick, green, shag ugly carpeting that

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they never they never trimmed the door when they put

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it into the closet, so you'd have to really pull

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the door really hard. So pull the door open really hard,

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and I was taking everything out and I was done

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sweeping everything the places. There was a hardwood hallway, so

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I slid the I slid the broom down the stairways,

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the stairway in the front, and that was opposite of

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the front door, which was wide open. So I'm working

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in the closet and I'm throwing away the clothes and

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the hangars. I'm putting them all in the bag, fillip

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it back. I go out to the hallway and all

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of a sudden, wham, the closet door just slammed, like

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shook the house that So I go in and I'm

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looking and all the windows are down, storm windows are down.

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hard it is, and I go, I'm getting the hell

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out of here.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I had that thought and started to turn,

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I hear the front door slamming whole house. So I

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went running down the stairs and the broom is leaning

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up against the door, you know, afterward, you know, looking

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at that. And so I went right and I waited

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for Ron. He had taken a dump run. Basically, I said,

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I'm not going in the house alone.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: He was teasing me the whole time we were there,

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like we're cleaning out the first floor and he's going woo.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, he had a sense of humor. But he also

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worked at a funeral home. And if there's a reason

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I'm telling you this. We're in the garage and we're

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all done, and there was one basket on the floor

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to have one of those big loops around it, like

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that wicker basket like thing, and he points out and

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he said, oh, I see those all the time at

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the funeral home. And so I said, okay, we'll have

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a good night and we'll see you later. And he's

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taken off to go to the dump and I just

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walk over. It's the last thing there, and I go

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and I walk over to it, and I'm pulling up

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on this basket and it's stuck on the floor. Pull

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so hard that it breaks in half and the bottom

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half stays on the floor and I tossed it in

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and all of a sudden, I go, wait, how could

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that be? And I went over and I tapped it

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with my foot. Nothing home.

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Speaker 2: It was oh my god, for that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That really happened.

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Speaker 2: Wow and wow.

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Speaker 1: At the time it happened in the nineties, I thought,

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I'm never going to tell anyone the story. Now I

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could care less, but I just like it was just

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so crazy. Who is ever going to believe me? But

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you know, it happened.

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Speaker 2: It happened, man. I mean I believe you because you know,

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and here's the thing, you just said it. You know,

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I think we're in a period right now where all

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of these things that people are experiencing are right on

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the table. You know, You've got the government saying, hey, folks,

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the UFOs, your singer real, we just don't know what

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they are. It's giving people that less of a stigma

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to tell their story, you know. So stories like that.

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We hear that kind of stuff all the time. And

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what I love about it is that you said it.

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People are not afraid to come on camera and talk

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about it, you know, the care less. So that's a

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that's a good thing. And I think that's what we

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need more of. I'm finishing up a little documentary on

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the Carbondale UFO encounter, which happened on actually yesterday was

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fifty first anniversary on November ninth of nineteen seventy four,

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where an orb, an orange orb, landed in a pond

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in Carbondale and it glowed in this pond for eight

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hours and so everybody, you know, back then they covered

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it up by saying they threw a lantern, like a

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railroad lantern in there, and that was that was what

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the glow was. But it's an it was an incandescent lantern.

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In a minute, that's going to hit the water, it's

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going to go out. This thing lasted for eight hours

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and then the government came in, Army came in and

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took something out almost similar to like the Kecksburg incident,

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so very very similar, and this was nineteen seventy four.

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I'm speaking to another witness on Wednesday, and I'll be

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finishing up the video, but he and from all accounts,

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it was definitely not a lantern, you know, And it's

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like that the Shag Harbor incidents, same kind of thing,

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you know, where people thought, you know, they saw so

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many witnesses across the board see these things, and you

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know Exeter where we were just up there. So I

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think it's great that people are coming forward and telling

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their story because it's adding so much more validity. What's

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really going on out there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just bringing up there's not there's nineteen seventy four.

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It kind of talks about it, so it was Now

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there's so recently there's something out there that I have

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seen a lot of information about, but I'm not really sure.

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Haven't looked into how factual it is, and that these

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usos that are showing up along the coast and a

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lot of them are. There is some video out there

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of like glowing under water. I don't I've seen this.

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Speaker 2: I saw that and I was like, I saw that.

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I'm you know, we have to be really careful, I'm sure,

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as you know, because we're like in the age of AI, right,

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so everything is like but I've gotten some footage that

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you could definitely tell is definitely not fake. And I

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always like to go back to the original polaroids that

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were taken back in the seventies, you know, because there's

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nothing I mean, it was there. Whatever they captured on

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tape or on film. But yes, I've seen some of

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those lights and I mean here you've got some of

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the navy pilots. I think that there was one one

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of those USO's was going into the ocean. Remember that

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was like a sphere and it was like splashing went

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down to the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I mean you go all the way back to nineteen

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seventy one with the USS Tripang who actually saw I mean,

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this thing come out of the water and it's on

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the periscope. They recorded it, took pictures of this thing,

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huge triangular object coming out of the ocean right there

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by in the Antarctic area. It's very very interesting stuff, man,

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And I think you're gonna to see as we go

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along here, more and more of this stuff is getting

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out there.

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Speaker 1: Now. I think this particular picture, yeah, a polaroid, but yep,

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I'm really sure that was in Australia. And this one

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we know is one of the polaroids too.

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Speaker 2: Rex heflin. Yep. That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And I'm trying to think who it is in

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southern California, very very well known. She just can't remember

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her name right now. She passed away a number of

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years ago. But she was a researcher that was very

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well respected. She has had those in her safe and

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when I spoke to her daughter, daughter still has them,

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the original polaroids in her safe.

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Speaker 2: Now did you know that that Rex Heflin picture made

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it into the en Slight Encyclopedia Britannica under the description

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of spacecraft Wow, in the nineteen sixty five encyclopedia. I

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have the I have a copy of it here. It's

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amazing that they took that photo and made it a spacecraft,

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you know, like describing what a UFO or a spacecraft

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would be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So for those of you who are younger, Encyclopedia

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is kind of what inspired Wikipedia. I guess that's a

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big way too. Yeah with that, Yeah, and you know

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what I mean. Uh, Donna was talking about as a

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little kid like reading all the encyclopedia, like, you know,

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every every part of it. And I loved it too

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because there was all this information. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: Something you could leave, you could thumb through with your

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you know, and just you know, visually look at it,

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you know, and you're and I I always love books.

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Wherever we go, I'm always looking for UFO books or

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any kind of paranormal books. But I just love books.

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There's just something tangible about a book that miss you

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miss from, you know, the being online stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's right now. Do you ever do any work or

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speak with San Gordon? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stan, as a matter of fact, just called me

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the other day. I was when I just was in

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speaking to Carbondale. I was in Carbondale last weekend speak

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at the Carbondale Alien Festival, which was really a lot

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of fun. But Stan had called me that day. They've

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got a lot of really incredible things going on out

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in western Pennsylvania where I'm here. Obviously in Pennsylvania, Stands

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about I guess four and a half hours west of me.

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But he's always getting reports stuffs going on, UFOs, bigfoot,

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thunderbirds all around the Chestnut Ridge area, the area between

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Pennsylvania and Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Now, I talked to him just a couple of days ago,

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but I can't right now. Kg Ira has basically they

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have a non functioning phone system, and stand is like

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old school and you can only be on the phone.

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I know, I'm trying to figure out how to get

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him on the show again, because he's always a great guest.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's great. Yeah, I told him to he just

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get on I think his one of his teammates there, Eric,

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he can get him online somehow, you know, and that

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would work on that. Yeah, me too, man, it's always

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just his voice. I'd rather see him on video. But

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he's got a couple of new documentaries coming out. He's

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going to be in the one by David Politis about Bigfoot,

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Oh wow, coming out on December first, I think, which

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is gonna looks really good. And then there's another one,

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Age of Disclosure. I think he's in on that one

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as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, that's coming out on November twenty first. Yeah,

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I can't be trying to get Dan Ferrara. That's you know,

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are you with that film? Basically?

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Speaker 2: Did you get in that one too?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, Yes, in a roundabout way, just laughing because

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if you I was told by someone that went and

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watched it when it was at out in Texas when

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they have that film festival out there. They saw Age

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of Disclosure and they contacted me and said, hey, I

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saw you today, and I said what he said, Yeah,

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you're in the back of the room at the heir

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and you know during the Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's

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as good as I got in there. But anyway, so

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a lot is going on, like you mentioned, So when

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you're doing this show, do you ever investigate UFOs or

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is it always ghosts?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we do it all. We do it all ghosts, UFOs,

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Bigfoot dog Man sightings, believe it or not, Actually UFOs.

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We just had a huge UFO flap here in Bucks County. Now,

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remember last year we had the drone situation was going

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on with all the drones. Well, people in New Jersey.

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New Jersey is not that far from where I am,

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so that we're getting a lot of reports. We were

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getting a lot of video of these things. Now, some

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of these things could have been drones, They could have

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been you know, military drones or whatever, but some of

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them weren't. I mean, some of these things were disappearing,

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They were changing shape, moving in unconventional ways, very strange.

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And I have footage I got to I should send

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this to you too. Five of these orange orbs are

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like hovering over a field in New Jersey that someone

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sent to me, and and this was at midnight and

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they said someone came up the driveway while they were

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videotaping this. And then took off immediately, so it was

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it was weird. I think it might have been some

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of that actually saw the lights too and wanted to

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get a better shot. But yeah, very very interesting stuff,

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but we did that. We've had right here in Bucks County,

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people were seeing this low flying, brightly lit objects, silent hovering.

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A guy with the name of Martin or Mitch Sherman

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said to me, Hey, would you guys want to come

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over and investigate this. I've got this weird light that

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keeps coming over my house for the last few months. Now,

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would you want to check it out? I said, yeah,

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I'll be right up because he's about fifteen minutes from here.

473
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,359
So went up met with him and his wife, Robin,

474
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:53,440
and what they told me blew me away. But he

475
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,839
also showed us this footage of this orb basically just

476
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,039
going over the sky by his house, and it's amazing

477
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,720
and it looks like the plasma orbs that you see

478
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,559
on a lot of these videos. But his wife, Robin,

479
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,839
had a really interesting case. This is a crazy case.

480
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,119
She had what she describes as a finger I don't

481
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,880
know if you've gotten these reports too, A finger sized

482
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,319
point of light right that came right up to her

483
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,640
as they saw this craft, This finger sized point of

484
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,640
light came up to her and it stood there for

485
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,039
a second and took off. So I'm thinking of myself,

486
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,519
finger sized point of light. Light continues, it's just not

487
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,119
not contained in that. But she said it was contained

488
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,599
in this area and boom it took off. But I've

489
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,359
gotten other reports of people that have had these orbs

490
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,200
come up to them and they're like looking at them

491
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,960
like this this, and then they take off. So I'm wondering,

492
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,039
what is this thing scanning people? Is it taking?

493
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like and I've always you always hear

494
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,839
these stories about these you know when they talk about

495
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,799
light being unusual. You know, you can even go back

496
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,240
to the Rendelsham forests and you know, Charles Halt says

497
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,599
that it came down like a tube almost the light did. Yeah,

498
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240
oh yeah, it wasn't normal light. And then a lot

499
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,599
of people will also say that what they see on

500
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,160
a craft on the underside is not a normal light.

501
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: There's something different about it exactly. Yeah, it's it's really strange.

502
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,200
So we've been doing that. We've been getting a lot

503
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,759
of UFO reports which have been great. We investigated believe

504
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,119
it or not, over in New Jersey, in the pine

505
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
barrens of New Jersey. Now, everybody knows in the pine barrens, right,

506
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,839
what's in the pine barrens the Jersey Devil. That's what

507
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,079
everybody thinks of as the New Jersey Pine barons. But

508
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:43,480
what I always thought that the Jersey Devil was a

509
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,759
misidentification at Bigfoot, because the Jersey Devil, if if your

510
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200
listeners would know this, it's like it's supposed to be

511
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,039
as big as a winged horse. Or they've also got

512
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,160
reports it's small as a turkey or a medium sized dog.

513
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,599
So there's been so many different reports that way. But

514
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,079
we were down in the pine barrens, and this was

515
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,759
October of twenty twenty one, and we were investigating Bigfoot

516
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,039
sightings there with a couple of researchers that were getting reports,

517
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,599
believe it or not, of these five to six foot tall,

518
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,680
hairy individuals as they call them, going into properties, getting

519
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,079
the garbage out of the out of their garbage and

520
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,720
taking it back into the woods with them. They're getting

521
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,359
hair samples, tracks, all kinds of crazy stuff. So we

522
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,079
went down to that area, it's the Wharton State Forest

523
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,759
and you know, Martin, when you're on site, man, I mean,

524
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,720
it's a whole different thing. I mean, you know, we're

525
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,440
in If anybody knows the pine barrens, it's nothing but

526
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:49,559
thousands and thousands of acres of just dense forest. So

527
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,200
we went down about five five miles on these what

528
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,640
they call fire roads to get into this area. We're

529
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,559
going down to an area called the Bowl and it

530
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960
just sounds like it sounds like it's high on the

531
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,920
sides and low in the middle, just like a bowl.

532
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,279
And we stopped the truck, went in about six hundred

533
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:09,279
yards and set up base camp. So we're sitting there

534
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,319
and it was me Dominic. I'm dragging Dominic out of

535
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,440
his hunting. Cryptis is completely out of his wheelhouse being

536
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,839
a spirit medium. He's been my teammate with this venture

537
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
for like the last almost ten years now, and we

538
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,680
went to high school together, never thinking that he was,

539
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,440
never knowing that he was a spirit medium because you

540
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,599
never said anything like that back in the eighties, like that,

541
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,720
but so you know, it was taboo. But he came

542
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,880
back into my life a year after I started, and

543
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,119
that thirty years had gone by, and he said, hey,

544
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,839
I might be able to help you out with with

545
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,599
your investigations because I'm a spirit medium and I'm like, oh,

546
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,039
this is great, so because he has what I don't

547
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,799
have that way. But we're down there and I'm dragging

548
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,599
him down to the pine barrens investigating Bigfoot, and I'll

549
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,559
tell you it was him. It was Dominic Art Mack

550
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,200
was one of the researchers me and Eric Spinner was

551
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,799
another researcher. We're all sitting there talking about their protocol,

552
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,480
what they do for the research, and all of a sudden,

553
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:13,519
we hear a whoop in the woods behind us, and

554
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,160
I had you know, whenever I saw those Bigfoot shows, Martin,

555
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:21,119
I always had a laugh because I'm like, is these

556
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,880
guys are whooping and hollering? I'm like, is that what

557
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,279
they really sound like? But I'll be damned if that's

558
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,960
not what we heard. So Eric's wife, Heather, goes and

559
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,880
answers it back and they're getting vocalizations back and forth.

560
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,079
It was the spookiest thing I ever heard. And in

561
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,559
the middle of nowhere. We're in the middle of nowhere.

562
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,039
There's no houses around because we were in a seed

563
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,839
or swamp, so there's nothing that could be built down there,

564
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:51,039
there's nobody there, they're having this conversation and it was amazing.

565
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,119
That's on my video. It's called Pine Barren's Bigfoot. And

566
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,720
then this we had October twenty one of twenty twenty

567
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,200
one general was just a crazy, like crazy paranormal year.

568
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,359
You know, so many things were going on. We were

569
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,000
getting the UFO reports because you know, we were coming

570
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
out of COVID at that right. You know, people are

571
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,240
in their houses and nobody's outside. But finally people are

572
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:19,680
getting outside and they're seeing all kinds of crazy stuff

573
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,160
out there. So we got a lot of reports, and

574
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,680
especially when we investigated a week earlier. We went and

575
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,359
investigated from the Pine Barrens. A week earlier, we were

576
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,440
in Elkhorn, Wisconsin investigating the Beast of Bray Road. I

577
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,160
don't know if you've ever heard of this thing, but

578
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,200
it's a dog man.

579
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,759
Speaker 1: I have heard. I have heard that before, yes.

580
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: And it's it's supposed to be six to seven foot tall, upright,

581
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,119
canine dog man, werewolf if you will, creature that. People

582
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,960
have been seeing this thing for years, and Martin I

583
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,240
went out to this investigation completely like we're not going

584
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,599
to see anything, you know, it's going to be a

585
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,200
great documentary. We're going to talk to some great people,

586
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:01,799
but we're not going to get anything. We're not. Damn,

587
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,480
this is it's a great story. But and man, was

588
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,680
I wrong. I was totally wrong the night of October

589
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,480
third of twenty twenty one. I'll never forget it. I mean,

590
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,759
and I could send you some of these clips too

591
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,440
that maybe you could put in the show here. But

592
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,480
we heard the we we saw a number one. We

593
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:22,880
saw UFO go over the field that we were in

594
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,920
investigating at night and it did a forty five degree

595
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,759
angle and blinked out. We heard these ungodly howls, which

596
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:36,359
were definitely not coyote, dogs, wolves, anything like that. Everybody

597
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,039
that I've had listened to this howl, who was a

598
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,240
seasoned outdoorsman hunter everything, they all said, it sounds like

599
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,480
what I thought. It sounded like. It sounds like a man.

600
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:54,079
This screaming, like low guttural scream. So that investigation was crazy.

601
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,240
We'd have missed came up from the field that we

602
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,119
were in that was messing It was like an electronic

603
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
fog that was messing with our electronics. And then the

604
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,839
entire town of Elkhorn lost power that night, so it

605
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,759
was just we had a trifecta and then some of

606
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,240
paranormal activity.

607
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,759
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Wow, sounds crazy. What is your favorite

608
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,839
thing to investigate of all that all that you do.

609
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,519
Speaker 2: I just think my favorite is just the next one,

610
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,319
the next investigation, whether it's ghosts or UFOs. I really

611
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,079
enjoy investing in Bigfoot and dog Man because there are

612
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,279
believe it or not. I just didn't realize how many

613
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,160
reports there are of these cryptids and UFOs, of course,

614
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,519
because I've had my own UFO encounters several times, and

615
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,640
so that's near and dear to my heart. Ghosts is

616
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,119
a whole different story. I'm like, I'm probably the most

617
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,279
sick skeptical when it comes to ghosts. But again, like

618
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,319
I said before, having captured what we've captured on video,

619
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,240
you know there's something there. And I think again, people

620
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,240
are really connected to that, to that spirit world, because

621
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:03,720
you know how it is. You could be standing there

622
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,079
and you could see a full body apparition of a ghost,

623
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,519
but the person next to you doesn't see it for

624
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,800
whatever reason, you know, cause your antenna may be more

625
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,480
attuned to that whereas this person. And it's all like

626
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,519
you said before, energy, it's all energy.

627
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

628
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: There's there's a fascinating aspect to that, which that's why

629
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,239
I love these videos as well, because it seems that

630
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,440
it's it's this, it's a connection that goes beyond just

631
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,880
the ordinary. Maybe it's maybe it's family lines, maybe it's

632
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,280
within families. You know how families sometimes have these UFO encounters.

633
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,320
They've seen ghosts over the years and that family member

634
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920
or the great grandfather had seen something, or they may

635
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,199
be like spiritually connected. They may be a medium, psychic,

636
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,519
they've got those abilities. So there's some kind of connection

637
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,239
to that, and that's that's one of the things that

638
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,599
I like to investigate as well.

639
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell another ghost story. I know

640
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,480
it's all your favorite narrative, but anyway, So years ago,

641
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,800
I'm talking about nineteen seventy five or something like that,

642
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,079
my sister had an operation. My father had this beautiful

643
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,000
colonial home and it was on busy Route one where

644
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,679
all the outlet malls are now in Kittery, Maine. And

645
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,880
so we had this big, historic home and I think

646
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,320
it was early seventeen hundreds.

647
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: And so.

648
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I whenever I would stay there to watch the dog

649
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,119
or whatever. I'd have these weird things happen, like the

650
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,960
door would lock, it was a hasp on the other side,

651
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,639
and I have to go around the other stairway to

652
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,760
go down, and I think, what are the odds of

653
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,679
the hasp? Actually? Anyway, so those things were happening when

654
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,199
I was there alone, but nothing else. So my sister

655
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,840
had an operation. She's staying there and she's talking to

656
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,719
me on the phone and she said, I can't believe

657
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,639
I saw this little girl in a white dress and

658
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,039
I could see right through it. And I go holy smoked.

659
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,599
I said, did you ask Dad? And he says, oh, yeah,

660
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,519
he says he sees her all the time. That would

661
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,320
be my father. That's just oh yeah, she's here. Yeah,

662
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880
she doesn't bother you that type of thing. So anyway,

663
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,079
I just I kind of forgot about it, you know.

664
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,280
And and the years went by, and the outlet malls

665
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,239
came in this place, and they moved the house somehow

666
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,039
down the road about a quarter of a mile. So

667
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,599
they moved the house down the road, put it on

668
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,480
the other side of the street in a vacant lot.

669
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,440
And so I'm driving by there one day and I

670
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,320
see an antique shop in there. I go, my god,

671
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,079
because my dad had an antique shop. Isn't that funny?

672
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,519
Someone has an antiqu shop in this building. So I

673
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,440
stopped in there and there was accountants, like an accountant

674
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,519
office in the front, and then the antique shop was

675
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,480
in the back. And I went in there and I

676
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:39,400
was talking to the guy, was a young guy, and

677
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,800
I finally got up the courage and I said, Hey,

678
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,360
anybody ever say anything weird about happening here? He goes,

679
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,639
do you mean the little girl in the white dress?

680
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, seriously and.

681
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, my daughter was talking in the back

682
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
room and I went in and he said she said

683
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,760
there was a little girl in a white dress there,

684
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,440
And he says, go around and asked the accountants. They

685
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,360
see it all the time. So I went in the

686
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,840
accountant office and say, oh, yeah, whenever we're here alone

687
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,159
at night or whatever, I don't stay here. You know.

688
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,199
The woman said, I'm staying here alone after I saw that.

689
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,719
So anyway, I stayed in the house. The house was

690
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,480
moved and stayed there, and whatever it was, they were

691
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,480
seeing it. So again, I don't claim that these things,

692
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,440
you know, I have no idea what they are. Something

693
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,159
is there. It's like my own encounter that I just

694
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,760
talked about earlier. I don't know what it was. Something happened.

695
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,400
I'm not saying it was a ghost. I don't know

696
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,880
what it was.

697
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: But if people other people are seeing that, that's that's

698
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,400
really wild. And with unprompted too, you know, that's amazing, man,

699
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:38,920
that's great.

700
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I want to ask you this. The connection

701
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:48,039
people often talk about is UFOs and Bigfoot. Have you

702
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,880
ever had anything that there was any type of connection.

703
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,599
Speaker 2: I personally haven't yet, but back in the seventies right

704
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,039
here in Pennsylvania, and you know, you'll probably talk to

705
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,320
Stan Gordon about it too, because he had a huge

706
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,559
uh rash of Bigfoot UFO sightings back around the middle

707
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,840
of Pennsylvania around the Greensburg area in the seventies was

708
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,360
seventy three to seventy four. But I find this fascinating too,

709
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,199
This is this is really wild. The researcher that it

710
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,280
was just talking about, Art mac He had a brilliant

711
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,039
theory that you know, if UFOs are abducting people, right,

712
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,960
why not, why aren't they they could be abducting Bigfoot

713
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,280
and research and you know, examining that, and then when

714
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480
you see the Bigfoot in UFO, it's like they just

715
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:40,880
dropped Bigfoot off. You know. It could be something similar

716
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,760
to that, or it's another thing where, you know, Bigfoot.

717
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,840
The whole idea with Bigfoot in UFOs Bigfoot is like

718
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,880
an interdimensional being because you it's there, yeah one second,

719
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,039
and then it's gone the next.

720
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of people are speculating that about that again.

721
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,239
You know, I was thought, like I've I really don't

722
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,360
know what to think about Bigfoot, to be honest with you,

723
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,519
I really you know, but it just seems like someone

724
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,559
is seeing something. There was a story of this woman

725
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,800
like in her nineties that called and she said she

726
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,760
saw an orange orb come down over a field and

727
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,559
all of a sudden, she said, I can't believe it,

728
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:18,119
but a bigfoot popped out of it.

729
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I've brought.

730
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: It sounds bizarre, but yeah.

731
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,199
Speaker 2: Well the night, well, the night that we did the

732
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:27,719
Bigfoot investigation in the pine barrens, we kept seeing red

733
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,880
pin points of light like the eyeshine, like with all

734
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960
these little red pinpoints light. And then some guys have

735
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,559
been seeing lights coming from the tops of the trees

736
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,119
down to the forest floor, and then then a bigfoot's

737
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,400
manifesting itself and then disappearing again. We did a follow

738
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,559
up in twenty twenty three of the Bigfoot where we

739
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,079
were in the pine barrens in that Bowl area. Now,

740
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,800
prior to that, a few months prior, about three months

741
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,280
prior to that, they had a pretty bad wildfires in

742
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,159
the pine barrens, and if we were in that area

743
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:03,840
that we sat in at the Bowl, we would have

744
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,760
been on fire because that's where the fires were. We

745
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,840
got back there in September and it had been coming back,

746
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,800
the trees were coming back. It's a beautiful cedar swamp

747
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,239
down there, but you could see the trees were all charred.

748
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,239
But we went back to that area and Art thought,

749
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,599
you know, it's going to be a really dead area

750
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,199
around here. There's probably going to be nothing here. And

751
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,880
so Art, unfortunately he's gott he's got cancer and he's

752
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,519
going through some cancer treatments and he's got to take

753
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,400
some medications. Now we're sitting in base camp again in

754
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,519
the circle at night and Art goes, yeah, guys, I

755
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,400
don't know if it's the if it's the medications or what,

756
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,360
but my heart is really racing right now. So as

757
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,039
he says that we all hear a branch crack behind us,

758
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,280
we all whip around with the camera and here there

759
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,119
is a branch going like this, like something just was there.

760
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,079
Speaker 1: Wow, And I saw two for two.

761
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: Seconds, two yellow eyes about seven feet up that just disappeared.

762
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,199
They were there and then gone. So that's the interdimensional thing.

763
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,880
I'm thinking, Did I just see what I saw and

764
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,360
it was there and then gone? Well you could still

765
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,760
hear something clumping back into the into the swamp. So

766
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,039
at that point I'm thinking to myself, well, maybe that

767
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,280
was the Jersey Devil, maybe that was you know, who knows.

768
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,559
Maybe that was another dog man, or maybe was Bigfoot,

769
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,840
but it was That was the craziest night too. We

770
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,000
kept getting more howls and more rustling. Sounds very very strange.

771
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Now, did you do you ever get to the point

772
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,079
where it scared you enough that you wanted to pack

773
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:41,920
up and get the heck out of there. Oh yeah,

774
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,519
I would be gone in an instant.

775
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: Well let me tell let me put it to you

776
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,320
this way. Dominic said that he felt safer in the

777
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,880
pine barrens than he did in Elcorn. Investigating the dog

778
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,639
man because what we heard that night really was crazy, Martin,

779
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:01,599
And I can't straight to you enough. Like when I

780
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,280
heard that hewl, it completely changed my whole perspective of

781
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,679
what was out there. Now, even though we heard the hewl,

782
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,599
we're still like, what are we hearing? What is this?

783
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,320
But then what really got me to get the hell

784
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,239
out of there was when Dominic said, shine the light

785
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,880
over to the corner, over to where we heard the howls.

786
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,320
So we shine the light over there. Now again, the

787
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840
corn was up at this point, it's about six seven

788
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,119
feet up and this thing is supposed to be six

789
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,039
to seven feet tall. Six to seven feet up in

790
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,400
the corn, we see eyeshine going like this back and

791
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,360
forth in the corn. And that was it. I said, Okay,

792
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,679
we're out of here. We're out of here, because I

793
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,639
was telling us this is my territory, get out of here.

794
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,079
And look, we didn't have any protection. We had a

795
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,880
flashlight and a radio. That was it. We didn't even

796
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,199
have air spray, nothing, no weapons, nothing. So that was

797
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,760
my stupidity of thinking that we'd not see anything and

798
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,400
going in totally unprepared. And then what I didn't realize,

799
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
and I don't know why, I didn't do this, but

800
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,800
there was three series of three howls. On the second howl,

801
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,360
I had listened to those howls just a couple of

802
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,960
months ago on headphones. I didn't do it for a

803
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,599
couple of years, but I listened to the headphones. And

804
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,519
on the second howl, there's a growl that happens behind us.

805
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,159
So something was there and it was moving. They were

806
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:30,119
moving in on us, and I didn't realize that at all.

807
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,639
So it's the whole thing of being on site. So

808
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,400
in other words, we were at a really dangerous situation

809
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,719
and we're blissfully unaware of it.

810
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Now is it hard to get to sleep in a

811
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:42,840
tent at night in a situation?

812
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: When a situation happened, we went back to the hotel.

813
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't blame you.

814
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: We went back to the hotel and that again that night,

815
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,480
the whole town of Elkhorn lost power. So we haven't

816
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,119
been out ever camping per se and at ten to

817
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,159
do that. Which, now here's the thing. We've just got

818
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,320
aion to explore the extra one hundred and eighty five

819
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,320
acres that are out in Elcorn. So we're gonna be

820
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,559
planning another expedition next year because Martin something is out there.

821
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:15,599
Because Lee Hample, who I've talked to who actually we

822
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,480
were on his farm, He's still getting the screams and

823
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:21,679
the hollers out there. He's getting all kinds of crazy

824
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,000
activity that's still going on to this day.

825
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: What about like a trail cam. Have you thought about

826
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,599
doing something like that?

827
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's the thing. Lee has tons of

828
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,440
trail cams. But here's the thing. We're out there that night,

829
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,920
not one picture it's Lee. We went the next morning.

830
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,599
Lee goes the trail cams weren't working last night. It

831
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,400
was like they were turned off at five o'clock and

832
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000
didn't come back on until seven o'clock in the next morning,

833
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,119
so there was no pictures of us out there. But

834
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,719
Lee has gotten tons of pictures of this creature, whatever

835
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,920
it is. He's gotten. He's got hair samples, I mean,

836
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,000
just just incredible stuff. He's got UFOs out there as well.

837
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000
He's even got this weird like pterodactyl looking thing flying

838
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,880
around on the property. So it's like a I think

839
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,960
it's a portal out there. It's like, you know, one

840
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,679
of those areas that's got that very high energy area

841
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,119
like the lay lines you know in the world. But

842
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,519
I think it's that is an area there that I

843
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,119
think this dog man might even be coming in through

844
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:27,159
this portal somehow.

845
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,159
Speaker 1: Now, when you say there's pictures out there, can people

846
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,840
actually access any of these?

847
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,119
Speaker 2: No, okay, only because they are pretty much I mean

848
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,159
they could see them on my video it's called the

849
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,280
Beast of Burrey Road Alive. And well I had put

850
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,400
pictures on there from Lee's barn. But no, Lee doesn't

851
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
have He doesn't have a lot of these out there

852
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,239
because number one, he's keeping some of these very close

853
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,119
to the vest because there are some pictures there that here,

854
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,360
they'll just blow you away, I mean, what's what's there?

855
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960
And uh, And he's doing a lot of research. He

856
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,079
wants to get some DNA samples done on the hair samples,

857
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,440
but or DNA testing done on the hair samples, but

858
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,119
he can't be he's not doing that. They want to

859
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,559
charge him thousands of dollars to do that, and it's

860
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,199
he doesn't have that right.

861
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,599
Speaker 1: So this is does he have some type of fear

862
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,440
of getting this having this stuff out there in some

863
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,519
type of way? I mean, what would be the reasoning

864
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,199
why doesn't want to put it out there.

865
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't think he does have any fear that way,

866
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,360
because he's made it it. He's kind of made it

867
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,480
like sort of an attraction out there where they'll do

868
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,280
a little hay ride and he'll show people where, you know,

869
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,199
where the where this stuff has happened. Okay, but yeah, no,

870
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,840
he uh, he might have. Actually he might have some

871
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,800
stuff out on his website on hample dot com. But

872
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,079
but most of the stuff he you know, there's a

873
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,400
lot of TV shows, Martin that have done, you know,

874
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,679
documentaries on his property. So he'll he's shown a lot

875
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,480
of the researchers pictures.

876
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,559
Speaker 1: Now, everything you just said there about what the thing,

877
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,320
the things that he was seeing, it seems to me

878
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,280
that someone had sent me some images, especially when you

879
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,719
said the pterodactyl type thing. Someone had sent me some

880
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,000
pictures I'm going to say a couple of years ago.

881
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,119
I don't know if I had, if there's any type

882
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,480
of connection, but it sounds very, very similar to that.

883
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,960
And by the way, I do get a lot of email,

884
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,039
and all I can say to the people's be patient.

885
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,239
I usually get back to everyone I you know, if

886
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,519
I can't. But but yeah, there's a earlier we were

887
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,960
talking about drones and people who have been talking about

888
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,440
the Belgium, you know, the airport being closed, and there's

889
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,840
some type of an incursion. I don't know if it's

890
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,239
a military recursion incursion or not, but there's possibly where

891
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,400
nukes are or something like that. I'm hearing all these

892
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,320
little bits and pieces, but I just don't know any

893
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,559
of the facts. But for one thing, I will tell

894
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,480
you there's a lot of people still saying that the

895
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,639
drones is not a passing situation, that it's that it's

896
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,199
still ongoing. It's just oh yeah, so much.

897
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, it kind of went away there for a

898
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,639
little while, but now they're still there. They're still out there.

899
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,840
I've seen them on my way home from I did

900
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,239
like like thirty five talks since I saw you in Exeter.

901
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,679
Right the next week, I started talks every single night

902
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,360
of the week practically for September and October.

903
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,039
Speaker 1: Wow.

904
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,079
Speaker 2: When I would come home at night, I'd see these

905
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,719
things and it was just weird because they were very

906
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,880
very like this didn't weren't like regular planes, you know,

907
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,039
they were just hovering there. And I stopped the car

908
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:34,320
one night just to see if I could hear anything,

909
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,519
and I could hear nothing. It was going over the

910
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,360
car and I was like, well, this is getting a

911
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,159
little spooky, man, I'm going to get out of here.

912
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,519
So it was strange that way. But no, I mean

913
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,920
before the drones even happened and what people are seeing

914
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,199
these orange orbs. I had my own UFO encounter back

915
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,079
in twenty sixteen. This is January of twenty sixteen. My

916
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:59,760
girlfriend Cherry and I outside of an area called New Hope, Pennsylvania.

917
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that area.

918
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,679
Speaker 2: It's a great area. Right. So we were coming home

919
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:08,199
from dinner and she had rented a farmhouse at the

920
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,519
time in Stockton, New Jersey. You know where Stockton is.

921
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,559
It's like right over over you have to cross the Delaware.

922
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,880
We were coming outside of New Hope into Center Bridge

923
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,280
to go over the Center Bridge bridge to.

924
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Very tiny bridge, right, very narrow bridge.

925
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: To go over Stockton, New Jersey. So as soon as

926
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,519
we hit the bridge we get on there, all of

927
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,280
a sudden, out of the corner of my eye, I

928
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,079
see these five orange orbs just appeared out of nowhere.

929
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:36,480
It was the most unbelievable thing. And when they appeared,

930
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,480
it looked like swirling lava and they were only a

931
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,360
couple of hundred feet above the bridge, so it wasn't

932
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,159
as high as a star. It was low. And so

933
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,239
of course what do I do. I go to get

934
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,159
my phone, try to take a picture, and the flash

935
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,360
goes off. In the car, of course I have to

936
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320
take the flash off. And by that time, one by

937
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,239
one they started disappearing, and Sherry's so and she said

938
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,239
they did like this search pattern over the river, and

939
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,280
then one by one they started going going away. And

940
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,159
then I was able to get one shot, and I'll

941
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tell you it was. It looked like a plasma ball,

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but it was just it was the most unbelievable thing.

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And we're still wrapping our heads around what could be.

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Speaker 1: And now you have that picture now on your phone.

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I do like you share it with us. I could

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put it in the You can just send me an

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email and I'll put it in the show notes for

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everybody to see. But anyway, no, all good. So yeah,

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I'm looking forward to that. Also, I want to just

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ask you, we only have a couple of minutes left here,

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what was the other UFO sitem you had? You said

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you had a couple.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there was a one there and then I

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had told you about the one in Doylestown with the

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people that had uh that had seen the orb. And

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then just last year, another of friends of mine, speaking

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of the USOS, they had an encounter in the middle

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of the Bahamas where they saw these really weird what

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they thought. She describes them as like cartoon splats, but

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these were like translucent blobs. They were above three hundred

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feet above the water, dancing, tweeting and flying around like this,

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translucent at night. This is like twelve thirty night. It

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looked like fireworks going off, right, but these were lights.

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And all of a sudden they go to get the

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camera phone, but come back. She goes, oh my god,

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look and here out of the water comes a big,

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huge orange orb that hovers above the water for three

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seconds and then takes off after those tweeting things. And

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I was the most bizarre report I've ever heard. And

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I'm thinking to myself, are we even talking about machines? Now?

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Maybe this is some kind of new life form that

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were that's emerging, you know.

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Speaker 1: There's a yeah, there's speculation about that, or like a

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life form that we're just now seeing that may have

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been here always exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy so wild we get talk for hours, man.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure we will eventually. So yeah, I

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would love to have you back again. And but where

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can someone find the Eric Mentel Investigates.

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Speaker 2: They can find me several places YouTube, Eric Mintel Investigates

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at Ericintelinvestigates dot org. You can go on Pocono Television

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Network app and look look at uh we're on every

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night at seven o'clock Wow Provision YEP. And also the

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Beyond Paranormal Network. That's another channel that's on all the

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Roku TVs and all the smart television Beyond Paranormal and

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we're on there quite frequently.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, Eric, it is always always great talking to you,

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and it was really fun to hang out when we

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are at the same place at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to the next one me too.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much, Thanks Martin. Okay, all right, everyone,

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so come back on Thursday night. We have Danielle Silverman

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on at eight o'clock Eastern. Thanks so much everyone for

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being here, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.