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Speaker 4: You know, I do my best to keep the podcasts
Speaker 4: of the Star Wars universe and the podcast of the
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Speaker 4: week I want to rebroadcast the episode we did on
Speaker 4: the first couple episodes of season two of and Or.
Speaker 4: You may be a Star Wars fan who's already heard that,
Speaker 4: which case, my apologies, but you get an extra week
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Speaker 4: if you haven't watched the show, I just want to say,
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Speaker 4: fight back about tyranny and how that can go right
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Speaker 4: mind that when the police shoot the protesters they're using
Speaker 4: red lasers instead of bullets, it's basically the same. There
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Speaker 4: may the Force be with you. Hello, Welcome to this
Speaker 4: episode of Star Wars Generations podcast. Today we are talking
Speaker 4: about some of the best television a lot of us
Speaker 4: have ever seen, in Star Wars or just in anything.
Speaker 4: Today we're talking about the thing it's probably gonna get
Speaker 4: far less Emmy nominations that it should. Today, we're talking
Speaker 4: about a thing that I think has changed me as
Speaker 4: a fan and as a person, and we're you know, now,
Speaker 4: they're thoroughly overhyped it all here if you people had
Speaker 4: similar thoughts, is myself, Matthew himself, Alex herself, Aaron not Aaron?
Speaker 4: Aaron all here to talk about? And or Season two
Speaker 4: episodes seven, eight, and nine. What did you guys think?
Speaker 7: I loved it.
Speaker 5: I was unable to sleep last night because I was
Speaker 5: just like, my brain was spinning.
Speaker 8: I stayed up weight to watch it, and I was
Speaker 8: just like, Wow, that might have just been the peak
Speaker 8: of television.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was so much that happened, so much we
Speaker 4: want to talk about so much for our characters, so
Speaker 4: much in terms of, like any previous doubts that Tony
Speaker 4: Gilroy isn't just making a very stern comment on what's
Speaker 4: happening in the world today is gone. And when I
Speaker 4: don't think it was bad or boring. Am I the
Speaker 4: only one who's left completely not remembering anything from episode
Speaker 4: seven because I feel like all it was really doing
Speaker 4: was kind of like the lead up to the important ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the only thing I remember from the first episode
Speaker 5: was they went to that weird like healer woman who
Speaker 5: I think could use the force to some level. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and she was like feeling his like laser burn and
Speaker 5: like because they would make it feel better.
Speaker 8: And I think the point of the episode is really
Speaker 8: just to like.
Speaker 5: Establish that Andrew was now living on Yavin his like vibe,
Speaker 5: and like you said, kind of put all the characters
Speaker 5: where they needed to be for the insanity that wouldn't
Speaker 5: sue in episode eight.
Speaker 4: I agree. I think the one that's seen especially we're
Speaker 4: talking about, was brilliant foreshadowing and also really helping to
Speaker 4: drive home the connections between Cassian and then Jennerso in
Speaker 4: Rogue one, because basically you have a for sensitive person
Speaker 4: who's not really a Jedi, but is for sensitive reaching
Speaker 4: out to him and telling him that he has a
Speaker 4: purpose and that he has a mission, which is exactly
Speaker 4: what Shirrich did for Jin in Rogue one. You know,
Speaker 4: I just thought that, Yeah, it just sets up all
Speaker 4: these little things that sets up more about where Cyril is,
Speaker 4: and like, I don't think any of it was bad,
Speaker 4: and I think it probably added to episode eight nine.
Speaker 4: It's just an episode eight nine. HiT's so damn hard
Speaker 4: that that that's kind of what we left with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed episode seven.
Speaker 7: I liked seeing like I think in the second batch
Speaker 7: of episodes we got like some of Cassie and honestly, no, yeah,
Speaker 7: we've gotten a good amount of Cassie and Bigs's relationship
Speaker 7: throughout the whole show. But I always enjoy like seeing
Speaker 7: how it's changed. Yeah, and like that they take the
Speaker 7: time to like re kind of establish the main characters
Speaker 7: and where they are emotionally or mentally.
Speaker 3: So I do appreciate that.
Speaker 7: They do some like kind of world building or catch up.
Speaker 7: Almost in the first episode, I did notice like most
Speaker 7: of the way through the episode, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, where's Mamathama.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like she just like wasn't really if I'm remembering correctly,
Speaker 7: she wasn't in that episode very much.
Speaker 4: And was almost I don't think she was ever in
Speaker 4: episode eight. The second episode it was very much. That
Speaker 4: second episode was almost entirely on Gorman, uh if not
Speaker 4: actually entirely on Gorman. And then the third episode obviously
Speaker 4: was not was you know, almost entirely back on Chorus except.
Speaker 8: The ninth episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah for some so, I mean the first
Speaker 5: times it was still interesting.
Speaker 8: I mean again, it like established that even a year
Speaker 8: in that, like, you know, Indoor and Picks were like,
Speaker 8: you know, you know, having a happy relationship and it
Speaker 8: was clearly in love. I was a little confused. Well,
Speaker 8: I guess, I mean it's been a year, I guess,
Speaker 8: but the last we saw.
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 5: I could be remembering wrong because there are a lot
Speaker 5: of characters in Indoors to forgive me, but the guy
Speaker 5: who showed up at the begind of that episode, who
Speaker 5: what is his name?
Speaker 8: Was an M Mark Marks? Oh Willman, not an M woman.
Speaker 5: No, see the one that like at the end of
Speaker 5: the previous arc, like him and Sagerera where we're in
Speaker 5: haling Gas. Yes, yeah, so he doesn't want to tell
Speaker 5: and Or and them there he's with Sagerera, but now
Speaker 5: Homeboy's just back and like no Saw at all.
Speaker 8: So I was a little confusing, but I guess it
Speaker 8: has been a year.
Speaker 4: I think at this point we're supposed to think and
Speaker 4: you know, if you've seen rebels, this reinforced some of
Speaker 4: the books we've read have talked about reinforced this. At
Speaker 4: this point, there is a lot of movement and connection
Speaker 4: between the Phoenix Group, Sagerero's group, and Luthen's group. And
Speaker 4: at this point it's almost that most of the other
Speaker 4: rebel groups are all kind of starting to unify, uh
Speaker 4: you know at Yavin with with Phoenix group and uh
Speaker 4: you know those others and saus group kind of being
Speaker 4: a part of that. Saw I was being kind of
Speaker 4: outside of it, but with Luthen's group very much being
Speaker 4: the outsiders. Also, am I is Wilman Brosso's son, No,
Speaker 4: because Cassian has a strong connection to him and I
Speaker 4: wouldnt quite sure.
Speaker 7: Why he his father was killed in the season. He
Speaker 7: was like the owner of the shop if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: The shop that sounds right Fix worked at.
Speaker 4: Also, my camera's gone out for which I apologize, but
Speaker 4: go on.
Speaker 5: Right, they're mean, they're all like Ferox Survivors as the family,
Speaker 5: where there's just kind they see themselves as family, like
Speaker 5: Stone and Sky.
Speaker 4: That makes sense, Stone and Skuy. But I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of details we're skipping over,
Speaker 4: and you're right, like I'd be curious to hear more
Speaker 4: about sort of where he goes with Saw and then
Speaker 4: what happens to him. But I think we're just we're
Speaker 4: just focusing on the things that that are most important, you.
Speaker 8: Know, right, that's fair.
Speaker 4: You know, I was thinking that they're not doing a
Speaker 4: lot of the kind of fan service drop ins that
Speaker 4: a lot of the Felony shows have gotten known for.
Speaker 4: And while I mostly like those like I was definitely
Speaker 4: hoping for at some point during the the end of
Speaker 4: season of episode three of episode nine, but the third
Speaker 4: episode is arc I kept waiting for some little mention
Speaker 4: of the Phoenix crew or anyone else from Rebels and
Speaker 4: for those who don't know, we'll get the folk expansion
Speaker 4: of that why And.
Speaker 8: We didn't get it.
Speaker 4: But I was actually totally okay with that, you know,
Speaker 4: like it it felt like this was a complete, full
Speaker 4: story they told and we know that we know that connection.
Speaker 4: We don't need it to have been even more spelled out.
Speaker 5: I was more abum though that uh Masabida was not
Speaker 5: presiding over the Senate when when that species.
Speaker 8: Who is that weird dude who keeps presiding over the Senate?
Speaker 8: I just touched him as.
Speaker 4: Yet yet another kind of like lowered down the list.
Speaker 4: I think part of the point was supposed to be
Speaker 4: that this wasn't thought to be like a major session,
Speaker 4: you know, like in the actual Senate, when it's not
Speaker 4: thought to be a big important vote. A lot of
Speaker 4: times the vice President isn't there, the majority leader might
Speaker 4: not be there. It'd be like the third and fourth
Speaker 4: in command of the different Senate factions. So that's why
Speaker 4: I took that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a fair point, Realko.
Speaker 5: Before we get into the to the the I under
Speaker 5: said the eight and nine of the MEI and I
Speaker 5: want to say one more thing on in episode seven
Speaker 5: was just that the I will say, the setup has
Speaker 5: done a thing really well, like showing them returning to
Speaker 5: Gorman and how like I really appreciate how the uh
Speaker 5: the guy checking in and or remembered him from the
Speaker 5: previous encounter and was like she will report you like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and keep you off the book what
Speaker 5: she would like, she is being loyal to the empire basically,
Speaker 5: and like you kind of see like the characters be
Speaker 5: left behind in the past, like how they've grown folder
Speaker 5: but also a little more frantic and just like the
Speaker 5: the State of Gorman, like I mean episode seven, and
Speaker 5: obviously the whole beginning of episode eight was just meant
Speaker 5: to build that anxiety and anxiety you know, you know
Speaker 5: it's coming, but like I just, oh my god, I
Speaker 5: wanted to peel my skin off.
Speaker 8: I was so anxious.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's horrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my ADHD means that I often have to be
Speaker 4: doing something else while I'm watching something, and I feel
Speaker 4: like I can still totally connect, but you know, I'm
Speaker 4: like playing chess on my phone or something like that.
Speaker 4: Episode seven, I didn't look at my phone much. Episode
Speaker 4: eight nine, I just was so riveted. And you're right,
Speaker 4: they did so much, So let's go into that. Normally
Speaker 4: we talk about the different plot lines for different characters,
Speaker 4: but these were really kind of the big, heavy hitter
Speaker 4: episodes where everything comes together, and I think it's easier
Speaker 4: to just talk about like them. Episode by episodes. So
Speaker 4: on episode eight, a couple characters had individual journeys, but
Speaker 4: there was obviously just this larger story. We see the massacre,
Speaker 4: the the beginnings of and in somebody's the culmination of
Speaker 4: what Modo Mapha names as the genocide of the Gorman
Speaker 4: people that now the Empire is doing openly. What do
Speaker 4: you think that episode? How did that hit you?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 7: It's like if you've seen Game of Thrones, yes, uh,
Speaker 7: Battle of the Bastards anybody, Yeah, like that that is
Speaker 7: how I felt like.
Speaker 3: I was just.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I was so locked in. I was just
Speaker 7: like jaw open.
Speaker 3: So stressed, but like.
Speaker 7: It just felt so.
Speaker 3: Believable and real, and it didn't go the way I
Speaker 3: thought it was gonna go. I mean, the masker itself,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 7: The stuff with Dedron and cyreal though, that surprised me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely get into their story.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, the actual massacre, So the lead up, I
Speaker 5: mean it was diabolical, but it's like, yeah, this is
Speaker 5: the type of like underhanded, shady shit that like countries
Speaker 5: in the world have done, and like it allows like
Speaker 5: governments to commit atrocities, and it was just it was
Speaker 5: because you could see it, like you could see it
Speaker 5: from the outside perspective, happening in school motion and the
Speaker 5: like the old man leader whose name I do not
Speaker 5: know on Gorman was like it's a this is a trap.
Speaker 8: And you can just see I mean, just oh my god.
Speaker 5: It was just so diabolical to like to to let
Speaker 5: them all back into the square to know what a
Speaker 5: protests will happen, then send in the the what the green,
Speaker 5: the rookie like enforcers, knowing something's gonna go wrong, and
Speaker 5: then plant to sniper to incite the riot, and like
Speaker 5: the planting of the sniper.
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's like a direct call out.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's obviously conspiracy theories about the Donald Trump
Speaker 5: assassination attempt, and that felt like maybe a slight reference
Speaker 5: towards that, but also like maybe it's just like we're
Speaker 5: putting a sniper out here to incite this riot, and
Speaker 5: like it's just it makes you call in a question
Speaker 5: so much of like what you know about, like you know,
Speaker 5: the riots and things that go on in the world,
Speaker 5: like how much was orchestrated because.
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, what the what the
Speaker 8: icebe did.
Speaker 5: Wasn't that implausible to happen in our world as well,
Speaker 5: which I think made it.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I just that was just uh uh novel
Speaker 8: end of the massacre. I just want to know.
Speaker 5: I do think I was not hard correct because in
Speaker 5: the end he picked going after and or but Cyril.
Speaker 4: Let's stick of Let's stick of a thumbtack in Cyril.
Speaker 4: I want to get to that, but I want to
Speaker 4: talk about like the build up first, because You're right,
Speaker 4: there were so many things that was referencing, and I think,
Speaker 4: I think if you're reminded of things in our own life,
Speaker 4: we're very much supposed to. This is you know, uh,
Speaker 4: police treatment of black lives matter and trying to like
Speaker 4: herd them into specific areas and incite violence. This is
Speaker 4: what's been happening in Palestine and Gaza. But it also
Speaker 4: was much deeper than that, much further back than that.
Speaker 4: For me when I heard when I heard that phrase
Speaker 4: the galaxy is watching, we are gore, the galaxy is watching.
Speaker 4: For me, what was immediately. I'm a big student of
Speaker 4: the sixties and sixties activism, and one of the most
Speaker 4: famous moments of that it was in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 4: In late August August thirtieth, there was a huge protest
Speaker 4: outside the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and it led
Speaker 4: to what was often referred to as a police riot.
Speaker 4: This was what an official commission looking into it, that
Speaker 4: the police rioted in terms of going so overboard in
Speaker 4: their violence. And I don't think anyone was killed, but
Speaker 4: a lot of people were horribly injured, mass arrests and
Speaker 4: the same kind of tactics. And during that the people
Speaker 4: were shouting the whole world is watching. And that's a
Speaker 4: phrase that comes originally from a Bob Dylan song, but
Speaker 4: it becomes something that was said. And part of the
Speaker 4: idea of it was because the cameras were on them,
Speaker 4: and the idea was that you know, the world is
Speaker 4: going to see what you're doing and see how wrong
Speaker 4: it is. And there's an irony about that that I'll
Speaker 4: talk about a second, but I just wanted to start
Speaker 4: there that like, they clearly knew exactly what they were
Speaker 4: doing in terms of like referencing stuff from modern day,
Speaker 4: but also being like, look, we can look back in history.
Speaker 4: I mean they can look it back to you know,
Speaker 4: go back even a hundreds of years to how like
Speaker 4: you know, union protests and early civil rights protests and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. There was so much evidence of government
Speaker 4: officials trying to incite violence or trying to do things
Speaker 4: to so they can say, look, these people are just
Speaker 4: so violent. The phrase they kept using of they don't
Speaker 4: respect imperial norms. You know, all of this is yes,
Speaker 4: there's hyperspace, yes there's laser guns, but this is exactly
Speaker 4: our own world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I've covered many protests over the years
Speaker 5: for the Star Tribune and other news and stuff, and like,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is very much like what it feels
Speaker 5: like like in the middle of these protests.
Speaker 8: Like it's just like.
Speaker 5: There's like this almost like baseline of like just like
Speaker 5: everyone is like, you know, sticking together, and like there's
Speaker 5: this camaraderie like you know when they're singing together, but
Speaker 5: also there's like that there's like fear built up, and
Speaker 5: all it takes is one one pushed the wrong way,
Speaker 5: one person to make a choice, and it's just like
Speaker 5: because everyone's still on edge, it just sparks this group reaction.
Speaker 5: And they created the perfect basically the perfect storm for
Speaker 5: that to happen. Like they they the protesters were being
Speaker 5: peaceful until the ISB decided to fire the shot to
Speaker 5: to spark it. They just knew, but that was gonna happen.
Speaker 5: There was no doubt that that's what would happens. That's
Speaker 5: what happens, and I've seen firsthand in real life protests.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, like that was always the plan of this
Speaker 7: whole thing, you know, the whole barricading the plaza and
Speaker 7: then opening it back up and walling the people in,
Speaker 7: like that was always the plan, which is just like
Speaker 7: so chilling.
Speaker 3: Like the one.
Speaker 7: Officer said to Dedra, he said, like I'm the trigger,
Speaker 7: you're the finger.
Speaker 3: Make sure you're available.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was so good. He then puts so
Speaker 4: much the guilt the responsibility on her shoulders, which I
Speaker 4: think we'll talk about her story in a minute. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 4: just for that though, I thought. Also, what was really
Speaker 4: brilliant is like that protest was pretty much nonviolent. There
Speaker 4: was one guy who threw a rock, and I think
Speaker 4: there was a couple lot of people sort of shoving
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but nothing lethal. But then once
Speaker 4: the shooting started, a lot of people had brought weapons
Speaker 4: to that and like that, you know, that doesn't make anything.
Speaker 4: The ice B was doing okay by any means, but
Speaker 4: it also just further shows like this is how quick
Speaker 4: it was to instigate because a lot of those people
Speaker 4: were coming expecting violence. You know, they weren't going to
Speaker 4: start it, and you know, the ICEBA was completely wrong
Speaker 4: to start it, but that was the tinder. You know,
Speaker 4: everything was ready to burn, and that's exactly what the
Speaker 4: empire had been doing. That's why they'd been inciting all this,
Speaker 4: so that they would get more people who wanted to
Speaker 4: bring weapons and have all this stuff. Because then, and
Speaker 4: in some ways to me, that was one of the
Speaker 4: greatest ironies of this was the reason why people were
Speaker 4: shouting in Chicago the whole world is watching is that
Speaker 4: it was true, and that's considered by a lot of
Speaker 4: people one of the real sort of breaking point moments
Speaker 4: of people starting to decide. With the long haired hippies,
Speaker 4: I think maybe Vietnam is not actually the best thing,
Speaker 4: because we saw this horrible violence by the police towards
Speaker 4: nonviolent protesters. But here and I thought there was so
Speaker 4: much chilling as that they were saying, this world's a
Speaker 4: little bit worse because none of the press were actually
Speaker 4: covering it properly. All the press covered it with this
Speaker 4: propaganda spin of the terrorists they inside the violence. They
Speaker 4: did that, and I thought the way they showed that
Speaker 4: was just so chilling and so brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was kind of it was so dystopian to like
Speaker 7: have the newsfeed and like see multiple reporters saying one
Speaker 7: thing and then it's like immediately pans to like the
Speaker 7: worst possible situation.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, the news organizations there too, were also very much
Speaker 5: like under the control of the empire. It was very
Speaker 5: absolutely state owned media, which is obviously so different from
Speaker 5: the free press that He's supposed to exist. Like those
Speaker 5: those news organizations were there specifically to like and called
Speaker 5: them propaganda organizations, were there to basically put out like
Speaker 5: propaganda and false narratives to fuel you know, the the
Speaker 5: galactic uninterested or uneducated or just too far away. I
Speaker 5: mean like Sierra's mother obviously we saw earlier like the
Speaker 5: foreshadowing of like him telling her to stop watching you know,
Speaker 5: the hollow net, basically like stop watching the propaganda because
Speaker 5: everyone was just meant to believe that Gorman was this
Speaker 5: aggress service, rebellious aggressor that was the uh, the problem
Speaker 5: and not the not the Empire.
Speaker 4: So I don't think all of them were supposed to
Speaker 4: be stayed owned. I think there definitely is a state
Speaker 4: owned media arm at this point in the Empire, but
Speaker 4: I think some of them were supposed to be like
Speaker 4: in theory independent but like kind of Fox News or
Speaker 4: Bright Bart or things like that. Yeah, I think, especially
Speaker 4: because like and we'll talk a lot more later, like
Speaker 4: there's obvious connections between there and what's happening in Israel
Speaker 4: and in Gaza. And I think that's to me, that's
Speaker 4: what really that brought up is about the how much
Speaker 4: the media continues to spin it as this like war
Speaker 4: against the terrorists and the the uprising instead of looking
Speaker 4: at like, no, this is a genocide of an oppressed
Speaker 4: people kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just see, like I mean when it comes
Speaker 5: to like, you know, obviously working in the newsroom, like
Speaker 5: it comes to like those organizations like Fox News and
Speaker 5: Bright Part, like, I mean, it's they're not state owned,
Speaker 5: but they might as well be because they were just
Speaker 5: willingly putting out false information versus like you know, other
Speaker 5: organizations like actually try and put facts out there. So
Speaker 5: to me, those organizations that were being shown in the
Speaker 5: episode were very much the kind that like just aren't
Speaker 5: don't care about the truth, don't care about anything, but
Speaker 5: just like you know, feeding the same lies and crap
Speaker 5: to their listeners.
Speaker 8: That causes things like the Empire.
Speaker 5: To continue to grow and build and be trusted because
Speaker 5: people are being given false information. Yeah, I feel very
Speaker 5: strongly about all the new shit infuriating.
Speaker 3: Good reason you should.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about the Syra and deadrove it all,
Speaker 4: Cyril and dedrove it all. What do you think?
Speaker 3: I was not expecting any of that to happen.
Speaker 7: When Cyril got put in the closet with a bunch
Speaker 7: of droids, I really thought they were gonna kill him.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is this fucker doing in here?
Speaker 7: And then he just snuck out, ran up the stairs,
Speaker 7: went in and she was like, hey, how's it going?
Speaker 3: And he was like what the fuck did you do?
Speaker 3: He's like is this true? Did you fucking do this?
Speaker 3: Like how long did you know?
Speaker 7: And she's just like whoa, wha whoa very aggressive, but
Speaker 7: then he like grabs her shirt and like really pulls
Speaker 7: her and she starts going like ow, like, Cyril, you're
Speaker 7: hurting me, and it just got worse from there.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go into like.
Speaker 7: Graphic graphic detail, but he nearly chokes her.
Speaker 3: Out basically.
Speaker 7: And then just runs away and leaves into the crowd.
Speaker 8: I think the Zero.
Speaker 5: I mean, over the two years or whatever he was
Speaker 5: on Gorman like actually very much sympathized with the Gorman people,
Speaker 5: and like Saw, I think from the beginning, from the
Speaker 5: very beginning, Cyril was was like he was buying into
Speaker 5: the kool aid, but he was misguided. He was very misguided,
Speaker 5: but he truly believed in like justice, like at his
Speaker 5: heart what he like, he believed in this like you know,
Speaker 5: like people should not be you know, like you know,
Speaker 5: his whole arc begins and Andrew season one with like
Speaker 5: people are killed. He wants to find and Or because
Speaker 5: he killed two workers. And I think that initially Cirio
Speaker 5: sees the empire as like order, law and order. They're like,
Speaker 5: you know, and like again, many many people in our
Speaker 5: world believe that like you know, the government or the
Speaker 5: police or law and order like that is like.
Speaker 8: That is justice. They don't see the broken system.
Speaker 5: And I think it took Zero all this time being here,
Speaker 5: seeing all the lies, feeling he was being lied to,
Speaker 5: you know, he was he was like basically cozying up
Speaker 5: to to the monster.
Speaker 8: He like couldn't see it fully and.
Speaker 5: Then finally he could and it just he hit a
Speaker 5: breaking point. But like you could see before that moment,
Speaker 5: like when he was talking with the the old man
Speaker 5: to be the other Gorman Rebels, he was like trying
Speaker 5: to give them intel, trying to help them and save them,
Speaker 5: like and then like Aaron said, I mean, he's just
Speaker 5: like he realized what was happening. He was been lied
Speaker 5: to and used, and uh, clearly Danger was struggling with
Speaker 5: the whole plan as it was, like she clearly had
Speaker 5: very big moral misgivings, but like still went through with
Speaker 5: it at the end, which is design, you know, but
Speaker 5: a fascists And Sira was like, I can like I
Speaker 5: cannot fucking believe this.
Speaker 8: I cannot believe you, like you know.
Speaker 5: He like she tried to hold him in, She tried
Speaker 5: to be like, you just listen to me, you do
Speaker 5: what I tell you, and then he like turned it
Speaker 5: on her, and she looked so surprised that she could
Speaker 5: not even imagine that he was doing that to her.
Speaker 5: And he rightfully walks down. Honestly, what he like assaulting
Speaker 5: her was not great at all. It was very hard
Speaker 5: to watch. But when he walked out at her, I
Speaker 5: was like, good for you, dude.
Speaker 4: M h yeah. I I absolutely loved how his story ended,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was so perfect. And you know,
Speaker 4: I love Le Miserabla and Javert is my favorite character.
Speaker 4: And some people think the story would be great if
Speaker 4: Javert realizes how wrong he is joins Javal Jean Valjean
Speaker 4: and the barricades. But that's not how that story ends.
Speaker 4: The story ends with the person who has clung all
Speaker 4: of his life to this belief in the system that
Speaker 4: the system cracks and he sees that it's not there,
Speaker 4: that it's not as solid as the stars in the sky,
Speaker 4: and he just can't take that, and I and and
Speaker 4: ends his life. And you know, a way I saw
Speaker 4: what Cyril was doing was a mirror of that, a
Speaker 4: version of that, though a little bit different, because, as
Speaker 4: you said, he his star point was these two men
Speaker 4: under my protection, under my watch, were killed. I have
Speaker 4: to solve that. And then you know, yeah, like it
Speaker 4: would have been kind of fun to see him join
Speaker 4: the rebellion and pick up but I didn't want that.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, he I don't think he's earned that,
Speaker 4: but also just like that doesn't that would feel a
Speaker 4: little bit too, you know, Christmas like wrapped up with
Speaker 4: a bow, And I think it makes so much more
Speaker 4: sense than instead when he's like, well, everything I thought
Speaker 4: about the Emperor is wrong. Everyone had thought about this
Speaker 4: woman I worshiped and was in love with was wrong.
Speaker 4: But there's the person who I know, Fuck the Empire,
Speaker 4: fuck the security Bureau. That is a man who in
Speaker 4: his mind is a murderer who killed two people without
Speaker 4: provocation because again he doesn't know the full story, and
Speaker 4: so I'm going to try to That's who I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna vent all of my anger and hate against. And
Speaker 4: it gets him killed by the person he wanted to
Speaker 4: help in the end, but who could only see hims
Speaker 4: having betrayed them because he had. It's so tragic and
Speaker 4: so perfect, and I loved it.
Speaker 7: I remembered the older man that leads Gorman.
Speaker 3: His name is.
Speaker 5: Rylands, and Errol, unbeknownst in his final act to attack
Speaker 5: end Or also saves Dedre.
Speaker 8: Yeah, unbeknownst to him.
Speaker 7: Because she would be honest with you, I thought that.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, maybe Cyril saw that.
Speaker 5: For a second, I don't know if he saw anything
Speaker 5: except for just and Or's face.
Speaker 8: He saw Andor's face.
Speaker 5: I think he just saw red and was like, here's
Speaker 5: the chaos among all this insanity, Like here's the man
Speaker 5: I've been hunting, Like Matthew said, like it's his own
Speaker 5: sense of justice. He has followed his own belief of
Speaker 5: the sense of justice for so long. He's not afraid
Speaker 5: to go outside the rules sometimes. And you know, in
Speaker 5: the end, it was that like like, you know, thank
Speaker 5: you Matthew. By the way, I'm gonna have like Wayne
Speaker 5: Mad's in my head all day now.
Speaker 4: But I mean, don't know how you can watch this
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 5: But about the songs, I mean, but uh, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I agree, it's the same kind of arc and like
Speaker 5: he you know, the fact that he was he was
Speaker 5: killed by what's his name, Aaron, Yeah.
Speaker 8: It's very fitting. And like the fact that like Cyril
Speaker 8: kind of had the upper handed.
Speaker 5: And er and that kind of was good to kill him.
Speaker 5: Like in Or lost, I was the one fight kind
Speaker 5: of so I'm just like outright lose. Yeah, It's just
Speaker 5: I don't know. I liked I liked Cerus a very
Speaker 5: tragic character, interesting story, and like obviously after in the aftermath,
Speaker 5: Danger was having a like a fucking panic attack, and
Speaker 5: like I couldn't tell who it was because she just
Speaker 5: had committed genocide or had lost Cyril or both.
Speaker 3: Literally the nerve. I wrote this down.
Speaker 7: I was like the nerve to have a panic attack
Speaker 7: when you just incited a riot and planned a massacre,
Speaker 7: Go fuck yourself. Nobody cares about your mental health.
Speaker 4: I mean, mental health still is a thing. Though that
Speaker 4: would be a thing, it would happen, But I get you.
Speaker 4: I'm not sympathetic for her for it, No, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I heard an interview with Denise Goff, the actress who
Speaker 4: plays Dedra, and it just kind of brought it all
Speaker 4: perfectly into my head because she talked about how when
Speaker 4: she first like read the scripts, she was really worried
Speaker 4: because she thought it was going to have kind of
Speaker 4: the Hollywood story of like Cyril would decide to leave
Speaker 4: the Empire and she loved him so much that she
Speaker 4: would do the same, and she's like, that's not who
Speaker 4: Dedra is, And she said she was really happy like
Speaker 4: that Dedra gets to this moment where she does not
Speaker 4: choose her love, she chooses the empire. She chooses advancement,
Speaker 4: and you know, I like that, Like, I think it's
Speaker 4: easy to put the world into There are people who
Speaker 4: are you know, totally cold and evil and Grandma Tarkan
Speaker 4: and will pay any price and have no conscience, or
Speaker 4: people like Cyril who will break and do something else.
Speaker 4: And she's kind of in the middle where she does
Speaker 4: the Like to me, she's the person who you're right,
Speaker 4: she plans all this because she but in her mind
Speaker 4: she wants it to happen over there, you know, she
Speaker 4: doesn't want to have to see it directly. And to me,
Speaker 4: this was about her having to see firsthand, both in
Speaker 4: terms of the slaughter of the Gorman people, but also
Speaker 4: even more directly, the slaughter of the guy she loved,
Speaker 4: you know, that she left, that he left her and
Speaker 4: he died because of it. And Yeah, to me, it
Speaker 4: was a really like I know, sympathy for her. I
Speaker 4: was like, I kind of like, yeah, this is what
Speaker 4: you did. This is your chickens coming home to roost.
Speaker 4: Like you did this, but you wanted it to be
Speaker 4: just a theoretical thing you were doing. Now this blood
Speaker 4: is literally on your hands.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I want to say about Cyril, part of
Speaker 7: me when he was killed with that.
Speaker 3: Headshot, which was diabolical.
Speaker 7: I really hoped it was just a stray shot, Like
Speaker 7: I wanted his death to be so meaningless just fuck
Speaker 7: him honestly, like I wrote in my notes, I was
Speaker 7: like that headshot was crazy, but honestly, like abusers get
Speaker 7: what they deserve, I guess like my man got put down,
Speaker 7: But I did also like you know, the emotional beat
Speaker 7: and like closure that it was Ryland's who killed him, right,
Speaker 7: but I.
Speaker 4: Really heard how this happened. Who didn't want them to
Speaker 4: carry weapons? Who?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And like I don't know, I also think
Speaker 5: that like Dadra, I mean so when I if you
Speaker 5: remember when when I was at celebration, the actress literally
Speaker 5: deniqually said much less girl Boss this season, much more fascist.
Speaker 8: And that is exactly what it was.
Speaker 5: And like, but people I think often forget, which I
Speaker 5: think is a genus of dangerous character. Is that like,
Speaker 5: like you said, Matthew, sure there are people in the world,
Speaker 5: like a Grandma of Tarkan who was just cold calculating,
Speaker 5: Like those people are real, But the majority of people,
Speaker 5: the people that make the system work, make this like disgusting,
Speaker 5: horrible empire work or the people like Dedra who have morals,
Speaker 5: has that second thought, it's like this is wrong, but
Speaker 5: believes enough in the system or is ambitious enough, wants
Speaker 5: to climb enough. But she ignores and they people ignore
Speaker 5: those morals, they ignore that voice in their head and
Speaker 5: do what they're told anyway, follow those those horrible orders,
Speaker 5: even they know they're wrong. So Dedre I feel like
Speaker 5: puts like, again, no sympathy for her, but she puts
Speaker 5: a human, a truly human face to this rise and
Speaker 5: to this system because without people like her, nothing can
Speaker 5: get done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's right true.
Speaker 8: Also, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: In the actual filming of this, they did not shy
Speaker 5: away from showing like in the be end of that riot,
Speaker 5: actual like people getting shot.
Speaker 8: Like it was not like.
Speaker 5: Blasters, you know, people far away like that that starts
Speaker 5: and there's like people being executed at point blank range
Speaker 5: by these like imperial So yeah, it was scary and
Speaker 5: like the stormtroopers coming through. I was feeling suffocated and
Speaker 5: like I just the way they filmed it made you
Speaker 5: feel like you were in the middle of this being
Speaker 5: attacked and closed in.
Speaker 8: It's horrifying.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you noticed this it's so hard
Speaker 4: not to notice something that's not there. But there was
Speaker 4: almost no music during that whole time.
Speaker 8: No, I did notice that, and I.
Speaker 4: Thought that was very much part of it. It was
Speaker 4: just the technical side of this was so brilliantly done.
Speaker 4: Like the writing is great, but just every little detail
Speaker 4: like that was so lovingly put together.
Speaker 8: Tony Gooy gets it.
Speaker 7: He really does.
Speaker 8: He really gots it.
Speaker 3: He really does.
Speaker 4: Just for one other things on that, like there was
Speaker 4: that one moment where someone one of the rebels throws
Speaker 4: something at some of the stormtroopers. I'm like, Okay, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be like a laser grenade or something like that,
Speaker 4: but you just hear the sound of glass breaking and
Speaker 4: then fire, and I was like, oh, that was just
Speaker 4: a straight up Molotov cocktail. Like that was literally just
Speaker 4: the thing that that rioters throw at cops when they're
Speaker 4: when they're you know, being just you know, shot and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just the the wall of Okay, this
Speaker 4: is a different world and it's different from ours, but
Speaker 4: you can still find the connection, Like that wall is
Speaker 4: getting so fin with this show. Yeah, and I absolutely
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very hard to see, but there was
Speaker 5: a brief moment like in the crowd where you could
Speaker 5: see one of the people hanging out like the bottles
Speaker 5: with the rags in them, and it was very very
Speaker 5: it was very quick, like I barely noticed it, but
Speaker 5: like they did have a flash of that of like
Speaker 5: them being handed out to people.
Speaker 3: I noticed that because I was like, what's the Like,
Speaker 3: that's weird.
Speaker 5: I just I watched that episode and I had to
Speaker 5: actually pause before I could start the next one because
Speaker 5: I just was like, it was so I was just
Speaker 5: sitting with.
Speaker 8: So much.
Speaker 5: And before we move on episode nine, I think we
Speaker 5: should just quickly mentioned the fact that I was aware
Speaker 5: how powerful security droids were.
Speaker 8: My god, something out of a nightmare. That was horrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they were just like they were ragdalling people, like.
Speaker 4: Just mowing through Mandalorian. In those flashback scenes showing why
Speaker 4: Den Jarren is so afraid of droids, had already kind
Speaker 4: of raised the bar, you know, cause you know me,
Speaker 4: I always thought the Roger Roger and the you know,
Speaker 4: the prequel droids were kind of silly, even the more
Speaker 4: you know battle ones, but that kind of like raised
Speaker 4: the bar. I know, these can be scary, And then
Speaker 4: this came along and said, hold my beer, and like
Speaker 4: just the fact that you know that woman who'd been
Speaker 4: such an important part of the movement and his name
Speaker 4: unfortunately I forget as well. I think she's the daughter
Speaker 4: of the leader we've been talking about is And like, yeah, again,
Speaker 4: is she gonna die some big important death. No, A
Speaker 4: guy just like kicks a you know, road road barricade
Speaker 4: thing and it hits her and she flies like thirty
Speaker 4: feet through the air.
Speaker 5: And it's her head on the turt ground and eyes
Speaker 5: it's insane, unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Like I kept waiting for them to have weapons, but
Speaker 4: they didn't have weapons. They didn't need them.
Speaker 7: They were just terrifying, just monstrous.
Speaker 5: And we got to see how we did eventually get
Speaker 5: to see how K tw came to be. We got
Speaker 5: the one that it's so far that K two's origin
Speaker 5: story is that he was going to kill and or
Speaker 5: on Gorman and then he was just like get saved
Speaker 5: in the last second by by William Is.
Speaker 3: That his name will No, that was a different guy.
Speaker 8: Oh the other guy.
Speaker 7: The other guy's not the guy that shot Cinta.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, you're right.
Speaker 4: And again I love that because it was like there
Speaker 4: was a little bit of redemption for him. But and
Speaker 4: Or's like, I kind of recognize you. Like it's not
Speaker 4: this big like tie it all together moment. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: these were all the same people, but it felt like
Speaker 4: there was just always like they could have gone one
Speaker 4: step further into tropes and they didn't, and they kept
Speaker 4: just trusting us to know how this all worked.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, as I said, the whole world wasn't watching. Necessarily,
Speaker 4: the whole galaxy wasn't watching. But oh, go ahead, run
Speaker 4: it back.
Speaker 3: I actually have something to say about Wilman. Yeah, please,
Speaker 3: let's talk about mother fucker. Wherever they go.
Speaker 7: He's just like, I'm deeply in love and she means
Speaker 7: everything to me and I can't leave without her and
Speaker 7: I have to.
Speaker 3: Be by her.
Speaker 7: And it's like you the lifestyle you live for one,
Speaker 7: you're a fugitive, that's where you started from.
Speaker 3: And now you've put excuse.
Speaker 7: Me, now you have proceeded to like rebel slash terrorist
Speaker 7: and bro like you can't always like you gotta move on,
Speaker 7: Like you can't live this lifestyle and.
Speaker 3: Be this way.
Speaker 7: So when he went back for that girl, I was,
Speaker 7: I was with Cassion, I was like bunkum bomp.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I'm having a lot of trouble with words.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, words are hard.
Speaker 7: When he was telling Cassian like I have to go,
Speaker 7: and Cassian was like, no, you don't like, I was like, honestly,
Speaker 7: Cass just bonk him on the head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lights out.
Speaker 4: I mean, at least like the woman he's with this time,
Speaker 4: isn't some like dowe eyed girl he got caught up
Speaker 4: in this like she's the voice of Radio Free Gorman.
Speaker 4: She is as dedicated to fight as he is, maybe
Speaker 4: even more so. But yeah, he was kind of the
Speaker 4: James c. Kirk of the Rebel Alliance for these couple
Speaker 4: of years. I thought that was an interesting little detail.
Speaker 7: I was very happy to see he survived, though, because
Speaker 7: that was something that I was very nervous about from
Speaker 7: the start, because we had talked earlier in the season
Speaker 7: about like every three episode arc it wouldn't be surprising
Speaker 7: if we had like a known character like die somehow,
Speaker 7: because we lost Braso in the first Yeah and the
Speaker 7: first Yeah Santa, and I was like, don't take the boy,
Speaker 7: don't do it, don't do it, and they didn't do it.
Speaker 4: It was not my top five of people who would
Speaker 4: lose this this arc.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't think me either.
Speaker 7: I really wanted it to be Dedra, like I knew
Speaker 7: Cassian wouldn't do.
Speaker 3: It, but I was like, can somebody else get to it?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean a reminder, none of these characters are in
Speaker 5: Rogue one, so like, theoretically.
Speaker 7: Of course, that doesn't mean they all have to die.
Speaker 7: We didn't see every single rebel in Rogue one or
Speaker 7: Imperial officer, I know, but I.
Speaker 5: Feel like Dandre is big enough, and Luther or Bing
Speaker 5: other they probably at least one of them are dying
Speaker 5: in the next arc, I would predict.
Speaker 3: There's not more episodes, are there more?
Speaker 4: Any of them could have been on the Death Star.
Speaker 5: This is not the end, Eric, We're in two BB
Speaker 5: Why there's one arc next week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we only have three more episodes left, which I'm
Speaker 4: so mad about. You one more arc three more? Oh
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, yeah, But on that subject, because it's one
Speaker 4: of to me, not the meat of episode nine, but
Speaker 4: one of the things that I loved most about it.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about a character who looks like is not
Speaker 4: going to die, who a lot of people expected would
Speaker 4: have to die to set up Cassian's character Bicks. What
Speaker 4: did you all think of the way Bicks kind of
Speaker 4: left the show?
Speaker 9: Broh, It pissed me off, but I get it. It
Speaker 9: didn't piss me off, honestly, It's like fully, I get it,
Speaker 9: but I'm just kind of like, I wish we could
Speaker 9: have some more like healthy communication in Star Wars.
Speaker 3: I mean nice, I would. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people would be happier.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously they had to get rid of her,
Speaker 7: so I guess I'm glad she didn't die, because that
Speaker 7: would be much more traumatic, I.
Speaker 4: Think, especially after Sinta's death, which we're probably do an
Speaker 4: episode about on superhero ethics, because there's like a lot
Speaker 4: of reasons I made a lot of sense, but also
Speaker 4: some of the barrier gaze stuff comes up, and like
Speaker 4: some reason the way I think it could have been
Speaker 4: done better or had another character die instead. But with Bick,
Speaker 4: I think especially that kind of set up that for Bix,
Speaker 4: especially if she also died, was yet another woman of
Speaker 4: color dying to kind of help advance cassian story. It
Speaker 4: was gonna be hard, and I there's a lot of
Speaker 4: people talking about, like we really want to see Bicks
Speaker 4: survive somehow, and I definitely was one of them. And
Speaker 4: I I'm torn on it because I'm so happy. I'm
Speaker 4: not even torn. I just I think it's a great moment,
Speaker 4: but it leaves me feeling torn on Bicks herself because
Speaker 4: I agree with you about communication, but I'm also a
Speaker 4: really big believer in both individual choices but also the
Speaker 4: idea that like everyone has to give what they can
Speaker 4: to the cause, but be willing to step back when
Speaker 4: they need to and let someone else step up. And
Speaker 4: you know that's and granted, the nonprofit world is not
Speaker 4: you know, literally fighting, you know, life and death on
Speaker 4: the battlefields, but there's an awful lot of burnout in
Speaker 4: non world, a lot of burnout among activists, a lot
Speaker 4: of activists who wind up turning a very conservative later
Speaker 4: in life. And a large part of it is because
Speaker 4: they completely burn out, they never stop. And so there's
Speaker 4: a kind of part of me that's like, Bix, it's
Speaker 4: not your plate. Like if if for Bicks to say
Speaker 4: directly to and Or, I can't be the reason you
Speaker 4: leave the rebellion, So don't leave it for me, because
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna run off with you. I would have
Speaker 4: totally gotten that. For her to say I'm going to
Speaker 4: leave so that you have to stay, so that you
Speaker 4: have no reason to leave felt kind of like I not,
Speaker 4: it was wonderful writing one hundred percent made sense to
Speaker 4: me for me feeling about her character, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's kind of a shitty thing to do, But I
Speaker 4: also forget why you did it, and I love that
Speaker 4: the writers had her do that, like you said, instead
Speaker 4: of dying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like it makes sense, but it's also making a
Speaker 7: decision for someone else, which is like very toxic and
Speaker 7: problematic in relationships.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Like an.
Speaker 7: Ultimatum based on your opinions only and the other person
Speaker 7: gets no.
Speaker 3: Say, is like.
Speaker 8: I feel I saw it.
Speaker 5: Yes, you were correct, Aaron, that is yes, but maybe
Speaker 5: I saw it a little differently.
Speaker 8: I think I saw it.
Speaker 4: Just in like she.
Speaker 5: Very strongly believed what that fourced sensitive woman had told her.
Speaker 5: But like Andrew has a mission, Andrew has a big
Speaker 5: role to play here, and I think in Bix's eyes,
Speaker 5: she was going to hold him back, not for herself,
Speaker 5: but because like Andrew's gonna hold himself back because of her,
Speaker 5: and because of that, the rebellion would found her something
Speaker 5: important would not happen because she I think she so
Speaker 5: firmly believe that Andrew needed to be part of this
Speaker 5: for this rebellion to work, and so from my perspective,
Speaker 5: at least, I think she was like, I don't want
Speaker 5: to give up Andrew.
Speaker 8: I don't want to lose you. I don't want to
Speaker 8: be gone.
Speaker 5: But like for the sake of the rebellion, for sake
Speaker 5: of the galaxy, of the sake of everything, I have
Speaker 5: to like it almost.
Speaker 8: Like she was like, I don't.
Speaker 5: Feel like I have a choice, And to me that
Speaker 5: was confirmed just because at the end, the heartbreaking part
Speaker 5: of that message is I will find you when this
Speaker 5: is so over, when we win.
Speaker 8: I was like, sister, I did not need to hear that.
Speaker 8: I know what happens to Cassie.
Speaker 4: I get that on this why, Like I'm not mad
Speaker 4: at her for it, Like I think all the things
Speaker 4: you're talking about are correct, Alex, but I think Aaron,
Speaker 4: I'm with you, of like, but still she could have
Speaker 4: let him make that choice and be a party to
Speaker 4: me when I compare it tow which is funny because
Speaker 4: this doesn't have anywhere near the emotional weight, but I
Speaker 4: think is a better version of a similar conversation at
Speaker 4: the end of the first Toby Maguire Spider Man movie,
Speaker 4: when Mary Jane is like, yes, Peter Parker, I want
Speaker 4: to be with you. I know you're Spider Man, but
Speaker 4: I can't because you need to be Spider Man. But
Speaker 4: she says that to him, she says it directly, she
Speaker 4: allows him to be part of the conversation and he
Speaker 4: kind of agrees with her, and so, yeah, I kind
Speaker 4: of always would have wanted that. But like, other than that,
Speaker 4: she didn't have to die. She gets to go off
Speaker 4: and do her own thing. I freaking love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Obviously that was kind of a side story to the
Speaker 4: larger main story that was happening, which was we get
Speaker 4: to see the moment where man Mathma realizes she no
Speaker 4: longer can be a part of the Senate. She has
Speaker 4: to go outside the system and officially form the Rebel Alliance.
Speaker 4: This was a scene that because we had for those
Speaker 4: who are not quite sure, like what are the connections
Speaker 4: here that we're talking about in this TV show Star
Speaker 4: Wars Rebels, which we've done coverage of and we will
Speaker 4: do coverage of again with these folks, but was one
Speaker 4: of the best pieces of Star Wars media out there
Speaker 4: strongly recommend it. But there's an episode that basically shows
Speaker 4: the Phoenix Crew being the people who meet up with
Speaker 4: her and Erskine and take her safely to Yavin, And
Speaker 4: as part of that we see her give like the
Speaker 4: second part of the speech to the Rebels of like
Speaker 4: come and join me. And so there's a lot of
Speaker 4: kind of build up and curiosity and like with this
Speaker 4: erase parts of the Rebels canon and how would this
Speaker 4: feed into it? How did you all feel about how
Speaker 4: this did in terms of like telling her telling this
Speaker 4: side of that story.
Speaker 3: I feel like it made perfect sense.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I kind of honestly loved that nothing was
Speaker 7: brought up or reference to the Phoenix squad because, like
Speaker 7: I mean, on one hand, like the rebellion should be secretive,
Speaker 7: but I like to think it's like we're still in
Speaker 7: the not like to think maybe, but it's like we're
Speaker 7: so early in the rebellion that everyone is still very secretive,
Speaker 7: like they don't know anything about each other, you know.
Speaker 3: Like Ahsoka was Fulcrum for the longest time.
Speaker 7: She would send other people to meet up with them,
Speaker 7: Like Luthen never meets up with people except for like
Speaker 7: the head haunchos the people he really needs.
Speaker 4: You've actually shown me how brilliant it is because and
Speaker 4: Mona Mathma specifically calls out that secrecy, and so I
Speaker 4: kind of like the I think we've kind of established that,
Speaker 4: like once she gets to Yavin, she's like, no, we
Speaker 4: gotta be a little more open, we gotta be all
Speaker 4: working together. But yeah, given that, I think would go
Speaker 4: against that if they knew, like, oh yeah this you know,
Speaker 4: uh pseudo Jedi is going to pick you up or like,
Speaker 4: you know, this great person Harrison dul is going to
Speaker 4: pick you up.
Speaker 8: Dude, Yeah, I'm maybe I trust you watched her ups too.
Speaker 8: This was annoying me that I'm mixing some things up.
Speaker 8: Is that the episode?
Speaker 5: That is the episode where like Ahsoka first reviews herself
Speaker 5: to the crew, right, I don't think episode, isn't it
Speaker 5: because like, you're not allowed on my ship if you're
Speaker 5: all on this ship, who's piloting the other ship?
Speaker 8: And then Ahsoka comes down? Or is that a different episode?
Speaker 3: That was a different episode?
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, so was that before after.
Speaker 3: Like she revealed herself.
Speaker 7: I think at the end of season one?
Speaker 8: Is this one?
Speaker 4: I think it was I don't want to go to
Speaker 4: down this this rabbit my point.
Speaker 5: All this, I was just like hoping I didn't I
Speaker 5: didn't need to see Phoenix Squadron, but I.
Speaker 8: Was hoping for like a reference as well.
Speaker 5: I will say I was like either a full crim
Speaker 5: reference or a phoenixquar because they mentioned Gold Squadron, like
Speaker 5: like gold.
Speaker 8: Squadron is going to be bringing her the rest of
Speaker 8: the way.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, gold Squadron, that's what you
Speaker 5: know what Ezra and all of them fought with and
Speaker 5: immediately thought back to the Rebels episode. And they kept
Speaker 5: and I will say, they kept referencing she's gonna give
Speaker 5: a speech, She's gonna give a speech, like they were
Speaker 5: referencing things that happened in Rebels that I did appreciate. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I don't know, like a little like gold Squadron
Speaker 5: and Phoenix Squadron.
Speaker 8: Are gonna bring her in. That could have been kind
Speaker 8: of fun, But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm torn. I think I would have enjoyed that fan
Speaker 4: service moment. But I do think Aaron, your point is
Speaker 4: correct that like it probably it actually works better for
Speaker 4: the plot. I think that we don't get it, but yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's you can see it either way. But
Speaker 4: I also didn't love that they kind of also covered
Speaker 4: their bases a bit, and and again reminding us that like,
Speaker 4: you've got to use the tools you can they kind
Speaker 4: of want they say, like, okay, but but the official
Speaker 4: story is gonna be that this other thing happened, you know.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that was also kind of a
Speaker 4: little bit of a way of saying, if this doesn't
Speaker 4: exactly line up with rebels, we have a little bit
Speaker 4: of a some weigle him there, which I kind of
Speaker 4: love that. Yeah, the rebels are doing some of their
Speaker 4: own propaganda too. Yeah, let's talk about then how she
Speaker 4: We'll talk about her speech in a second. Let's talk
Speaker 4: about how she comes to give this speech. And this
Speaker 4: is where we get to talk about the Benjamin Bratt
Speaker 4: of it all, because one of the key people who
Speaker 4: really helps her decide to do this and then help
Speaker 4: basically cover her by not leaving is Bail Organa. And
Speaker 4: we talked last time about how we didn't love that
Speaker 4: it was a bit recast, but that we kind of
Speaker 4: understood why, having now seen Benjamin Bratt as Bail, I
Speaker 4: still want Jamie Smith's back at some point, but I
Speaker 4: think he was dead on perfect. It took me maybe
Speaker 4: fifteen seconds to recognize that this was just bail Organa
Speaker 4: now and that was okay, it was go ahead.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, yeah, it was very very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 7: In this episode felt very much like bail the way
Speaker 7: he has always been. It was just shocking in the
Speaker 7: first time we saw him, and it was such a
Speaker 7: short interaction, you couldn't really get that.
Speaker 8: I was still bothered by it.
Speaker 4: I know, I kind of thought it was perfect. Also,
Speaker 4: like you know, Darky Royce said that they know. I'll
Speaker 4: let you talk talk about in a second. I just doing
Speaker 4: it a week before to give us that week to
Speaker 4: get through it. And honestly, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: could have heard, like Jimmy Smith's has been our bail
Speaker 4: Organa in a lot of the stuff that was for
Speaker 4: all ages, but clearly aimed at more of a younger audience.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I could have heard Jimmy Smit's
Speaker 4: bail Organa swear the way he does when he's like,
Speaker 4: you know, tear this, tear this shit up or whatever
Speaker 4: he says. You know, I was like, oh, oh, this
Speaker 4: is this is bail Organa after dark? Okay, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I could have hear heard that rum.
Speaker 3: Smith's but that cot me by surprise too.
Speaker 7: I was like, wait, do they say swear words and
Speaker 7: Star Wars like.
Speaker 3: Normal swear words? What happened to Carabass?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Cara Bash is still there, but
Speaker 4: like I think, I think and or this is the
Speaker 4: second time it's happened. But still ye, they're surely doing books.
Speaker 5: But yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I had no I just
Speaker 5: I understand but why it had to happen because of
Speaker 5: scheduling stuff. But I just I he has been the
Speaker 5: same actor, the same person, the same voice, the same
Speaker 5: everything for me in Star Wars for so long that
Speaker 5: it just it was really.
Speaker 8: Throwing me off. I just kept going. I kept feeling
Speaker 8: it was the same thing again.
Speaker 5: I talked about last week that I felt like I
Speaker 5: was watching the Solo movie again, where I just I
Speaker 5: couldn't my brain couldn't, it couldn't do it. I was like,
Speaker 5: you're not, who is this person Cod's playing as as
Speaker 5: uh as Bell or Ghana again, I'm very like carried
Speaker 5: himself properly. There's just not a at any at any level,
Speaker 5: is this a reflection of how well the actor did.
Speaker 5: I think that the portrayal of the character was very true,
Speaker 5: very good. I had no issues with any of that.
Speaker 5: They didn't really take me out of it.
Speaker 8: It's just.
Speaker 5: That's not bit where God is for me. It's very
Speaker 5: hard for me to see it that way.
Speaker 4: The actor and Solo just wasn't Han Solo to me.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, let's just talk about sort of his role
Speaker 4: in helping Mon, And what do you think of just
Speaker 4: Mon's journey in this to coming to the point where
Speaker 4: she's ready to make that speech and the way she
Speaker 4: does it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 7: The build up over the last six episodes of just
Speaker 7: her kind of losing connection and being betrayed slowly by
Speaker 7: every single person around her, and then when that one
Speaker 7: final like.
Speaker 3: Her protege, the person she like took.
Speaker 7: In when he was a child, like has been spying
Speaker 7: on her for two years. Yeah, I feel like she
Speaker 7: was just like, no, fuck it, Like I mean, one,
Speaker 7: I can't stay in the Senate anymore for like political reasons,
Speaker 7: like I have to say something and I can't stay
Speaker 7: here afterwards.
Speaker 3: But I feel like it was just.
Speaker 7: Like put her in like a very mentally like a
Speaker 7: mental solitude maybe so that she could really like dive
Speaker 7: into the speech.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. In some ways, I feel like her journey
Speaker 4: is kind of a reverse of Cyril's. You know that
Speaker 4: both of it is about them believing in the institutions
Speaker 4: and then eventually losing faith. And I do think that
Speaker 4: book Mask of Fear that we read also really helped
Speaker 4: me in this, because that's I think another important part
Speaker 4: of her journey. And you know, like when you realize
Speaker 4: like she doesn't try to get her husband or her
Speaker 4: daughter to join her, you know, she's just like, I'm
Speaker 4: just going to peace out. You know, They're doing their
Speaker 4: thing and I need to be part of this rebellion
Speaker 4: and I need to give up all of that too.
Speaker 4: And for me, I kind of feel like this her
Speaker 4: journey in this is a master class of what it
Speaker 4: means to be willing to give up to both use
Speaker 4: privilege but then to realize the point of which you
Speaker 4: have to give it up. You know, because for a
Speaker 4: long time she said, say, look, yes I am rich,
Speaker 4: I am powerful, but I can work within the system
Speaker 4: and try to make things better in the way that
Speaker 4: I can while supporting people like Luth and others who
Speaker 4: are doing, you know, the exact opposite, are working for
Speaker 4: the same goal from very in direction. But she gets
Speaker 4: to the point where she's like, if I keep doing this,
Speaker 4: then I'm just allowing myself to dance at the wedding,
Speaker 4: you know that I'm just hiding. And eventually some point
Speaker 4: she's like, I have to take the risk too, And
Speaker 4: in some ways, the fact that she realizes that she
Speaker 4: can't even trust Luthen the way that she thought she could,
Speaker 4: it felt like, yeah, like everything had been torn away
Speaker 4: from her and this was all she could do to say,
Speaker 4: I can't keep trying to be comfortable with this, you know,
Speaker 4: I can't keep trying to keep my hands clean. I
Speaker 4: have to dive in as fully as Saw and Luth
Speaker 4: and of them do.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's interesting, you know, this arc, we didn't
Speaker 5: see much Mom at wake, nothing of her husband. We
Speaker 5: haven't seen her daughter since the wedding, her friend. We're
Speaker 5: like dead or they're missing, and like she just the
Speaker 5: point I think is to make us feel like she
Speaker 5: is so incredibly away, Like I I got very excited
Speaker 5: last night and just wrote this logo Instagram story because
Speaker 5: I was like, this is the greatest television ever. And
Speaker 5: I mentioned I was like the fact that to fight
Speaker 5: tyranny can sometimes be like the most isolating, lonely thing,
Speaker 5: and like she basically like even though Lutheran and Clay
Speaker 5: we are both like without my Mathma, it all ends, it
Speaker 5: all falls apart. Like she is, she's she's the key
Speaker 5: basically to the rebellion. She's the leader we need, and obviously,
Speaker 5: you know, to the Mandalorian. We know that she eventually
Speaker 5: becomes Chance of the New Republic, like she truly was
Speaker 5: the leader they needed.
Speaker 8: But like to get to that point, everything this woman sacrificed.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 5: I mean the character of my Mathma, I feel like
Speaker 5: has just over the years, more than a lot of characters,
Speaker 5: has just benefited so much from the additional shows and creation,
Speaker 5: and like she's grown from just this this mystical woman
Speaker 5: in white that we saw briefly a briefing in episode six,
Speaker 5: to the face of like the face of the rebellion
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. And it's just, I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's very it's very like, it's just very special. And
Speaker 5: her her performance has been so special for so many years,
Speaker 5: and to see her get such a large role.
Speaker 8: In season two, and I have like dreamt of what this.
Speaker 5: Speech would look like for so long, like between the
Speaker 5: mentioned and Rebel. Wasn't just all these different ways of
Speaker 5: like Monmothmas like stood up to the Emperor.
Speaker 8: And god damn did she deliver on that speech? Oh
Speaker 8: my god.
Speaker 5: I was like, can we just play this like in
Speaker 5: every television in America right now?
Speaker 8: The people need to hear what she's asked to say.
Speaker 5: And I almost like half was expecting her to say
Speaker 5: and the monster. I was expecting Emperor Palpatine. I was
Speaker 5: expecting Donald Trump at the end. But uh, it's just
Speaker 5: it was it was incredible, Like it was incredible how
Speaker 5: her courage shone through and then.
Speaker 8: The actual speech was just like I tear up. I
Speaker 8: started crying a little bit. It was so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was intense and I loved that. Again, we got
Speaker 7: kind of like in the background of this speech. It
Speaker 7: reminded me of like the first three episodes where it
Speaker 7: was switching between like Mon dancing and then like Brasso dying,
Speaker 7: and how it's like Mon giving this speech and then
Speaker 7: it's like the Empire just scrambling to stop it and.
Speaker 3: Just it took me a second to figure out.
Speaker 7: I was like, who the fuck is this.
Speaker 3: Guy and why is he running around?
Speaker 7: And I just realized he's whatever engineer got sent to
Speaker 7: cut the power. Yeah, but yeah, the the speech was incredible.
Speaker 7: I will say I think that side quest kind of
Speaker 7: distracted me from the full speech. So I'm gonna need
Speaker 7: to go back and like really listen some other time
Speaker 7: because it's also pretty late at night.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing a Google search and I can't find
Speaker 4: the full text of it. So if anyone any of
Speaker 4: our listeners have that, please send it to me. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I did like, I love the tension building, especially during
Speaker 4: her escape, and I think I did like the running around,
Speaker 4: but it was a little like I wish they kind
Speaker 4: of give us more of the full speech. This is
Speaker 4: one thing, although I do think that that what they
Speaker 4: kind of allowed for as well. There is like because
Speaker 4: we saw some breaks in her speech, it allows for
Speaker 4: the parts of the speech that we saw on rebels
Speaker 4: that aren't in this like they happened.
Speaker 8: You know, when she was off camera, right exactly.
Speaker 4: But I yeah, I have that same thing. First of all,
Speaker 4: just kind of like going back to Alex a lot
Speaker 4: of what we were saying, was echoing what Erin had
Speaker 4: said originally about you know, the solitude that she was
Speaker 4: in and how that was just kind of everything was gone.
Speaker 4: And Arnie, you brought up the dancing again. I think
Speaker 4: that's the point. That's like she she'd realized she can't
Speaker 4: do that anymore, she can't be dancing while bros Is
Speaker 4: getting shot. And then for the speech itself, what hit
Speaker 4: me so hard? And this acts what you were saying
Speaker 4: about how we wish that like some more people would
Speaker 4: see this is this line. I believe we're in a crisis.
Speaker 4: The distance between what is said and what is known
Speaker 4: to be true has become an abyss. Of all the
Speaker 4: things at risk, the loss and objective reality is perhaps
Speaker 4: the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate
Speaker 4: victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it,
Speaker 4: let's take a break. The death of truth is the
Speaker 4: ultimate victory of evil. I mean that is one hundred
Speaker 4: percent about the United States right now and other parts
Speaker 4: as well. I mean like that, one of the first
Speaker 4: things fascism does is to get people to you know,
Speaker 4: don't believe your lying eyes, listen to what the state
Speaker 4: is telling you. That's the heart of nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 4: That's the heart of so many of these things, and
Speaker 4: it's what's happening now when we're being told like, no,
Speaker 4: it's not a genocide in Gaza. No, you know, Trump
Speaker 4: is peaceful and this is all good for the economy. No,
Speaker 4: you know, they're getting to like all of these things,
Speaker 4: you know, everything when it that vaccinations or peace deals
Speaker 4: or whatever. We're just being straight up live to and
Speaker 4: we're being told that the objective reality we know is
Speaker 4: that the truth is not the truth, and more and
Speaker 4: more people are believing it. And like, there's absolutely no
Speaker 4: way that Gilroy wasn't one hundred percent thinking about the
Speaker 4: modern moment as he wrote this, And it just makes
Speaker 4: it so powerful because but it doesn't because it doesn't
Speaker 4: feel shoved in. It doesn't feel like he wanted to
Speaker 4: shove his own political agenda into Star Wars. It felt
Speaker 4: like Star Wars just is a good description of what's
Speaker 4: happening right now in the world. And he was naming
Speaker 4: that and naming what the Emperor was doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Matthew, just quote, you quoted the exact line
Speaker 5: I was going to quote because that part just like
Speaker 5: lives rent free.
Speaker 8: In my head, and it's just like.
Speaker 5: It's so and it's like the part that I mentioned before,
Speaker 5: like when she says that I'm a skip, but she
Speaker 5: says that like when truth leaves us, when we let
Speaker 5: it slip away, what is srip from her hands so
Speaker 5: become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monsters screams the loudest.
Speaker 8: Then she says it more.
Speaker 5: But then she says, you know, the monster screaming the loudest,
Speaker 5: the monster we've helped create, the marshall who will come
Speaker 5: for us all soon enough, is Emperor Palpatine.
Speaker 8: But again, like in my head, I could you can.
Speaker 10: Just swap every Palpatine out for Donald Trump, because that's
Speaker 10: what that's what Gilroy was writing it for, because like
Speaker 10: you know, when you take away objective truth, you know
Speaker 10: who was yelling the loudest, who was like, who is
Speaker 10: screaming the loudest. It's this, this man who's running our country,
Speaker 10: who is running America right now, and this in this
Speaker 10: and it's happening in other parts of the worldwik you said,
Speaker 10: but uh, you know, I think that it again it
Speaker 10: speaks to like the idea that if if people don't
Speaker 10: know who to believe or what to believe, though, it's
Speaker 10: just gonna believe who acts the most confident, even if
Speaker 10: they're completely wrong.
Speaker 8: And it's horrifying.
Speaker 5: That speech felt like it should be given by an
Speaker 5: actual senator in the US, and it I obviously was not,
Speaker 5: but I mean, you replace Gorman with Gaza, you replace
Speaker 5: Emperor Palpatine with Donald Trump, like you placed a few words,
Speaker 5: and that's an actual speech. It could be said in
Speaker 5: America right now. And this is supposed to be the
Speaker 5: most evil empire to ever exists in like a dark, villainous,
Speaker 5: sith lord, murderous man running at all like to draw
Speaker 5: these comparisons, this is not by accident.
Speaker 8: This is very very direct, very definitive.
Speaker 5: And to me, the fact that Donald Trump just posted
Speaker 5: on May fourth an image of him holding a red
Speaker 5: light saber and was basically like, oh you leftists, you know,
Speaker 5: made the fourth with you, even the leftists who are
Speaker 5: you know always you know, terrible things, And he goes,
Speaker 5: you think you're the rebellion, but no, you're the empire.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, bro.
Speaker 5: The fact that this these episodes and this speech dropped
Speaker 5: three days after he did that or two days after
Speaker 5: he did that.
Speaker 8: It's just like poetic justice.
Speaker 5: It's just he's the monster screaming the loud, throwing a tantrum,
Speaker 5: and then also incorrectly putting himself out there like I'm a.
Speaker 8: Jedi, bro, You're holding a red light saber yourself the
Speaker 8: word what are we doing here?
Speaker 5: But all that to say, it was really ironic that,
Speaker 5: like that case, he did that right before the speech
Speaker 5: was released, because Tony Gilroy is very clearly making a
Speaker 5: point about him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of where we
Speaker 4: end off. Like we've covered most of the things. Is
Speaker 4: there anything more? People, Aaron, some of all the last
Speaker 4: comments he wanted to make.
Speaker 5: No, I have one less, very small comment, and it's
Speaker 5: just that I want to appreciate the fact that and
Speaker 5: Or helped man Mathma escape and then is told you
Speaker 5: will not be remembered for this. No one will know
Speaker 5: that you did this. We're gonna give the glory to
Speaker 5: gooist Contro. We have to regret the narrative to make
Speaker 5: it more symbolic for the rebellion. And Andrew just kind
Speaker 5: of like accepts it, and I just really appreciate that,
Speaker 5: Like he continues to be like, again, the rebellion doesn't
Speaker 5: happen without all of the sacrifice, all the things, and
Speaker 5: or is done like he's the ultimate rebel spy.
Speaker 8: And then he even died.
Speaker 5: When he dies in Rogue One, he dies without anyone
Speaker 5: really like no one knows him specifically, it's just they
Speaker 5: just like, you know, you will be remembered. Rogue one,
Speaker 5: like he he dies without being remembered. And that is
Speaker 5: so often what it takes to win these fights, in
Speaker 5: these wars is these individuals who sacrifice everything without being
Speaker 5: remembered for the greater good.
Speaker 8: And that was really powerful message that was being sent.
Speaker 4: It really was. And I guess one of the part
Speaker 4: of his ark that we didn't talk about is that
Speaker 4: this is the this ingranted a lot of its bicks,
Speaker 4: but I think it's not just bicks. It's just as
Speaker 4: much mon mathma where he decides that he doesn't want
Speaker 4: to just be like a lone rebel who comes and
Speaker 4: goes as he chooses, but to straight up be you know,
Speaker 4: a part of the alliance. And as we'll get to
Speaker 4: in Rogue One, I think he becomes a little bit
Speaker 4: too eager to to just listen to orders instead of
Speaker 4: overthinking them, although he does, you know, in terms of
Speaker 4: his decision to try and kill it or so and
Speaker 4: all that instead of trying to rescue him. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it's just it's a but of course he
Speaker 4: doesn't get to but the Yeah, it's just oh my god,
Speaker 4: I want to go rewatch these episodes again again, And
Speaker 4: I'm both so excited that we're gonna get one more
Speaker 4: arc and so disappointed that it's gonna be the last one.
Speaker 4: But I I don't want to say that, like this
Speaker 4: is like all of the Star Wars is bad.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of Star.
Speaker 4: Wars that shouldn't be this dark. Like I love that
Speaker 4: I can watch Skeleton Crew, because there's sometimes we're just
Speaker 4: this is way too heavy and this is way too intense,
Speaker 4: and I need Skeleton Crew and I want the dark
Speaker 4: philosophy and ethics of Acolyte, and I want the silliness
Speaker 4: of droid things and all of that. But I think
Speaker 4: this is just the best Star Wars media we've ever gotten,
Speaker 4: and it's just getting.
Speaker 5: Yep yep, I agree, And it's okay, Matthew next arka
Speaker 5: least for finally getting K two. Like this whole arc
Speaker 5: ended with K two coming to life in the sassiest
Speaker 5: way possible, and we're gonna finally get K two back
Speaker 5: in live action.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, I think we've learned that. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 4: have Alan Tunic and be too dark and gritty. You know,
Speaker 4: there's just a level of joy that he brings that
Speaker 4: is always going to be there.
Speaker 5: Well, the way he said, I'm sorry if I offended you,
Speaker 5: but if not, could you point that somewhere else?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This was also a great week for another Star Wars property.
Speaker 4: Just a couple of days ago, on May the fourth,
Speaker 4: we got Tales from the Underworld. We were thinking about
Speaker 4: doing that as a little bit for Bonus members. We'll
Speaker 4: probably do that next week. We're definitely gonna do a
Speaker 4: full episode on Bonus on Tales the Underworld. But unfortunately
Speaker 4: this episode's already gone pretty long. I want to make
Speaker 4: sure we wrap it up in Parks. I gotta go
Speaker 4: do some getting ready for baby things. But I'm going
Speaker 4: to a baby one O one class, which I think
Speaker 4: will be very interesting about what we learn and don't learn.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that'll be Uh. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: talking about it. I love. I want to thank both
Speaker 4: of you so much for for giving me new ways
Speaker 4: to think about this both of you kind of pointed
Speaker 4: out things that I missed and I just love our
Speaker 4: discussions to our audience. I love you guys so much.
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