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Friends. 34 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.280 You know, I do my best to keep the podcasts 35 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.840 of the Star Wars universe and the podcast of the 36 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.319 Superhero Ethics universe separate. But right now with a TV 37 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.359 show and Or, I am finding that that show is 38 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.680 bringing up all the kind of questions that we love 39 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.080 to talk about here on Superhero Ethics, and so this 40 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.199 week I want to rebroadcast the episode we did on 41 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.000 the first couple episodes of season two of and Or. 42 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:20.120 You may be a Star Wars fan who's already heard that, 43 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.680 which case, my apologies, but you get an extra week 44 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.439 this week to listen to your other favorite podcasts. But 45 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.719 if you haven't watched the show, I just want to say, 46 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:30.240 even if you're not a Star Wars fan, even if 47 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.240 you're not a science fiction fan, this is one of 48 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.960 the most unscience fiction things I have ever seen. If 49 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.120 you like political thrillers, if you like adventure, if you 50 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:42.599 like things if you like things like V for Vendetta 51 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.520 that bring up hard questions about what it means to 52 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.719 fight back about tyranny and how that can go right 53 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.120 or go wrong. And basically, as long as you don't 54 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.919 mind that when the police shoot the protesters they're using 55 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:00.439 red lasers instead of bullets, it's basically the same. There 56 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:02.840 are great issues explored. Even if you haven't watched it, 57 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.400 I hope you enjoy our coverage. Of course, we're gonna 58 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.159 continue to keep bringing you great new episodes, but there's 59 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:09.960 a lot going on this summer. As you may have heard, 60 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.039 I have a new Padawan coming in just a few months, 61 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:14.240 and so every now and then we are gonna give 62 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:16.199 you one of these rebroadcasts, but we will have new 63 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.560 content for the rest of this month, So please enjoy 64 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.520 this rebroadcast. I hope you check out all of our 65 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.639 and or coverage on Star Wars Universe podcast and most importantly, 66 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:38.039 may the Force be with you. Hello, Welcome to this 67 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.080 episode of Star Wars Generations podcast. Today we are talking 68 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.199 about some of the best television a lot of us 69 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.560 have ever seen, in Star Wars or just in anything. 70 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.520 Today we're talking about the thing it's probably gonna get 71 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.080 far less Emmy nominations that it should. Today, we're talking 72 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.479 about a thing that I think has changed me as 73 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:58.039 a fan and as a person, and we're you know, now, 74 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.879 they're thoroughly overhyped it all here if you people had 75 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.800 similar thoughts, is myself, Matthew himself, Alex herself, Aaron not Aaron? 76 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.680 Aaron all here to talk about? And or Season two 77 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.599 episodes seven, eight, and nine. What did you guys think? 78 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:16.399 I loved it. 79 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.199 I was unable to sleep last night because I was 80 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.920 just like, my brain was spinning. 81 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.480 I stayed up weight to watch it, and I was 82 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.000 just like, Wow, that might have just been the peak 83 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:28.639 of television. 84 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.519 Yeah, there was so much that happened, so much we 85 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:35.959 want to talk about so much for our characters, so 86 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.519 much in terms of, like any previous doubts that Tony 87 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.600 Gilroy isn't just making a very stern comment on what's 88 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.759 happening in the world today is gone. And when I 89 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.399 don't think it was bad or boring. Am I the 90 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.519 only one who's left completely not remembering anything from episode 91 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.480 seven because I feel like all it was really doing 92 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:01.040 was kind of like the lead up to the important ones. 93 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:03.480 Yeah, the only thing I remember from the first episode 94 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:08.480 was they went to that weird like healer woman who 95 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.399 I think could use the force to some level. Yeah, 96 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.759 and she was like feeling his like laser burn and 97 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:15.120 like because they would make it feel better. 98 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.360 And I think the point of the episode is really 99 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:17.839 just to like. 100 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:22.120 Establish that Andrew was now living on Yavin his like vibe, 101 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:23.759 and like you said, kind of put all the characters 102 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.120 where they needed to be for the insanity that wouldn't 103 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.000 sue in episode eight. 104 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.240 I agree. I think the one that's seen especially we're 105 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.800 talking about, was brilliant foreshadowing and also really helping to 106 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:38.600 drive home the connections between Cassian and then Jennerso in 107 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.079 Rogue one, because basically you have a for sensitive person 108 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.160 who's not really a Jedi, but is for sensitive reaching 109 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.160 out to him and telling him that he has a 110 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.800 purpose and that he has a mission, which is exactly 111 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.160 what Shirrich did for Jin in Rogue one. You know, 112 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:56.040 I just thought that, Yeah, it just sets up all 113 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.639 these little things that sets up more about where Cyril is, 114 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.399 and like, I don't think any of it was bad, 115 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.680 and I think it probably added to episode eight nine. 116 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.480 It's just an episode eight nine. HiT's so damn hard 117 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:08.680 that that that's kind of what we left with. 118 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.600 Yeah, I really enjoyed episode seven. 119 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:18.680 I liked seeing like I think in the second batch 120 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.279 of episodes we got like some of Cassie and honestly, no, yeah, 121 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.199 we've gotten a good amount of Cassie and Bigs's relationship 122 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.279 throughout the whole show. But I always enjoy like seeing 123 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.639 how it's changed. Yeah, and like that they take the 124 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.079 time to like re kind of establish the main characters 125 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.000 and where they are emotionally or mentally. 126 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.079 So I do appreciate that. 127 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.800 They do some like kind of world building or catch up. 128 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.480 Almost in the first episode, I did notice like most 129 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:51.560 of the way through the episode, I was. 130 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:52.560 Like, where's Mamathama. 131 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.680 Yeah, like she just like wasn't really if I'm remembering correctly, 132 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.639 she wasn't in that episode very much. 133 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.279 And was almost I don't think she was ever in 134 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.680 episode eight. The second episode it was very much. That 135 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.040 second episode was almost entirely on Gorman, uh if not 136 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.480 actually entirely on Gorman. And then the third episode obviously 137 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:17.959 was not was you know, almost entirely back on Chorus except. 138 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.879 The ninth episode. 139 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah for some so, I mean the first 140 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.439 times it was still interesting. 141 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.720 I mean again, it like established that even a year 142 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.040 in that, like, you know, Indoor and Picks were like, 143 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.360 you know, you know, having a happy relationship and it 144 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:36.639 was clearly in love. I was a little confused. Well, 145 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:38.120 I guess, I mean it's been a year, I guess, 146 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.360 but the last we saw. 147 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:42.759 Is it. 148 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:44.720 I could be remembering wrong because there are a lot 149 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.480 of characters in Indoors to forgive me, but the guy 150 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.000 who showed up at the begind of that episode, who 151 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:50.759 what is his name? 152 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:58.519 Was an M Mark Marks? Oh Willman, not an M woman. 153 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.120 No, see the one that like at the end of 154 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.800 the previous arc, like him and Sagerera where we're in 155 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.680 haling Gas. Yes, yeah, so he doesn't want to tell 156 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.000 and Or and them there he's with Sagerera, but now 157 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.639 Homeboy's just back and like no Saw at all. 158 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.160 So I was a little confusing, but I guess it 159 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:16.800 has been a year. 160 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:18.959 I think at this point we're supposed to think and 161 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.480 you know, if you've seen rebels, this reinforced some of 162 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.959 the books we've read have talked about reinforced this. At 163 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.360 this point, there is a lot of movement and connection 164 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.680 between the Phoenix Group, Sagerero's group, and Luthen's group. And 165 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.080 at this point it's almost that most of the other 166 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.440 rebel groups are all kind of starting to unify, uh 167 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:42.879 you know at Yavin with with Phoenix group and uh 168 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.159 you know those others and saus group kind of being 169 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:46.440 a part of that. Saw I was being kind of 170 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.639 outside of it, but with Luthen's group very much being 171 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:54.679 the outsiders. Also, am I is Wilman Brosso's son, No, 172 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.519 because Cassian has a strong connection to him and I 173 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:57.320 wouldnt quite sure. 174 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.279 Why he his father was killed in the season. He 175 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.080 was like the owner of the shop if I remember correctly. 176 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.879 The shop that sounds right Fix worked at. 177 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.799 Also, my camera's gone out for which I apologize, but 178 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:10.360 go on. 179 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:14.840 Right, they're mean, they're all like Ferox Survivors as the family, 180 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.879 where there's just kind they see themselves as family, like 181 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:18.240 Stone and Sky. 182 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:23.080 That makes sense, Stone and Skuy. But I think, you know, 183 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.000 I think there's a lot of details we're skipping over, 184 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:26.720 and you're right, like I'd be curious to hear more 185 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.679 about sort of where he goes with Saw and then 186 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.600 what happens to him. But I think we're just we're 187 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.840 just focusing on the things that that are most important, you. 188 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.879 Know, right, that's fair. 189 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.879 You know, I was thinking that they're not doing a 190 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.240 lot of the kind of fan service drop ins that 191 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.240 a lot of the Felony shows have gotten known for. 192 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.759 And while I mostly like those like I was definitely 193 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:51.240 hoping for at some point during the the end of 194 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.440 season of episode three of episode nine, but the third 195 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.240 episode is arc I kept waiting for some little mention 196 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:01.080 of the Phoenix crew or anyone else from Rebels and 197 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.519 for those who don't know, we'll get the folk expansion 198 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:03.399 of that why And. 199 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:04.039 We didn't get it. 200 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:05.600 But I was actually totally okay with that, you know, 201 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.639 like it it felt like this was a complete, full 202 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.559 story they told and we know that we know that connection. 203 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.440 We don't need it to have been even more spelled out. 204 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.399 I was more abum though that uh Masabida was not 205 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.600 presiding over the Senate when when that species. 206 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.080 Who is that weird dude who keeps presiding over the Senate? 207 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:27.960 I just touched him as. 208 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.799 Yet yet another kind of like lowered down the list. 209 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.080 I think part of the point was supposed to be 210 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.919 that this wasn't thought to be like a major session, 211 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.399 you know, like in the actual Senate, when it's not 212 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:41.360 thought to be a big important vote. A lot of 213 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.399 times the vice President isn't there, the majority leader might 214 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.240 not be there. It'd be like the third and fourth 215 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:49.879 in command of the different Senate factions. So that's why 216 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:50.279 I took that. 217 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.480 Yeah, it's a fair point, Realko. 218 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.480 Before we get into the to the the I under 219 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:56.600 said the eight and nine of the MEI and I 220 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:58.320 want to say one more thing on in episode seven 221 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.159 was just that the I will say, the setup has 222 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.919 done a thing really well, like showing them returning to 223 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.360 Gorman and how like I really appreciate how the uh 224 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.639 the guy checking in and or remembered him from the 225 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.759 previous encounter and was like she will report you like, 226 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.440 I'm gonna try and keep you off the book what 227 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:19.360 she would like, she is being loyal to the empire basically, 228 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.120 and like you kind of see like the characters be 229 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.759 left behind in the past, like how they've grown folder 230 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.240 but also a little more frantic and just like the 231 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.879 the State of Gorman, like I mean episode seven, and 232 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.200 obviously the whole beginning of episode eight was just meant 233 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.440 to build that anxiety and anxiety you know, you know 234 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.840 it's coming, but like I just, oh my god, I 235 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:44.399 wanted to peel my skin off. 236 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:45.240 I was so anxious. 237 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:46.639 Oh my god, it's horrible. 238 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.639 Yeah, my ADHD means that I often have to be 239 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.080 doing something else while I'm watching something, and I feel 240 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:57.200 like I can still totally connect, but you know, I'm 241 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.879 like playing chess on my phone or something like that. 242 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.000 Episode seven, I didn't look at my phone much. Episode 243 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.240 eight nine, I just was so riveted. And you're right, 244 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.440 they did so much, So let's go into that. Normally 245 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.519 we talk about the different plot lines for different characters, 246 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.000 but these were really kind of the big, heavy hitter 247 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.960 episodes where everything comes together, and I think it's easier 248 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.320 to just talk about like them. Episode by episodes. So 249 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.159 on episode eight, a couple characters had individual journeys, but 250 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:29.080 there was obviously just this larger story. We see the massacre, 251 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:33.240 the the beginnings of and in somebody's the culmination of 252 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.159 what Modo Mapha names as the genocide of the Gorman 253 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.759 people that now the Empire is doing openly. What do 254 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:41.080 you think that episode? How did that hit you? 255 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:44.279 To me? 256 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.759 It's like if you've seen Game of Thrones, yes, uh, 257 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:53.600 Battle of the Bastards anybody, Yeah, like that that is 258 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:54.519 how I felt like. 259 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:55.399 I was just. 260 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.720 Excuse me, I was so locked in. I was just 261 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.559 like jaw open. 262 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.080 So stressed, but like. 263 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:08.279 It just felt so. 264 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:18.840 Believable and real, and it didn't go the way I 265 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:20.919 thought it was gonna go. I mean, the masker itself, 266 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.799 that's exactly what I thought was gonna happen. 267 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.039 The stuff with Dedron and cyreal though, that surprised me. 268 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.559 Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely get into their story. 269 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:33.639 Yeah yeah, the actual massacre, So the lead up, I 270 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:38.120 mean it was diabolical, but it's like, yeah, this is 271 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.679 the type of like underhanded, shady shit that like countries 272 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.279 in the world have done, and like it allows like 273 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:49.279 governments to commit atrocities, and it was just it was 274 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:50.919 because you could see it, like you could see it 275 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.559 from the outside perspective, happening in school motion and the 276 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:56.919 like the old man leader whose name I do not 277 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:01.679 know on Gorman was like it's a this is a trap. 278 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.120 And you can just see I mean, just oh my god. 279 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.799 It was just so diabolical to like to to let 280 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:12.639 them all back into the square to know what a 281 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.960 protests will happen, then send in the the what the green, 282 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:21.639 the rookie like enforcers, knowing something's gonna go wrong, and 283 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.240 then plant to sniper to incite the riot, and like 284 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:27.120 the planting of the sniper. 285 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.960 I don't know, it's like a direct call out. 286 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:32.759 I mean, there's obviously conspiracy theories about the Donald Trump 287 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:37.720 assassination attempt, and that felt like maybe a slight reference 288 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.000 towards that, but also like maybe it's just like we're 289 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.759 putting a sniper out here to incite this riot, and 290 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.320 like it's just it makes you call in a question 291 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.799 so much of like what you know about, like you know, 292 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:49.399 the riots and things that go on in the world, 293 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.120 like how much was orchestrated because. 294 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:53.440 At the end of the day, what the what the 295 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.200 icebe did. 296 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:59.519 Wasn't that implausible to happen in our world as well, 297 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:00.480 which I think made it. 298 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:06.200 But yeah, I just that was just uh uh novel 299 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.200 end of the massacre. I just want to know. 300 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:12.759 I do think I was not hard correct because in 301 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:17.799 the end he picked going after and or but Cyril. 302 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.600 Let's stick of Let's stick of a thumbtack in Cyril. 303 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:22.759 I want to get to that, but I want to 304 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.000 talk about like the build up first, because You're right, 305 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.200 there were so many things that was referencing, and I think, 306 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.000 I think if you're reminded of things in our own life, 307 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.200 we're very much supposed to. This is you know, uh, 308 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.679 police treatment of black lives matter and trying to like 309 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.679 herd them into specific areas and incite violence. This is 310 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.639 what's been happening in Palestine and Gaza. But it also 311 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.840 was much deeper than that, much further back than that. 312 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.720 For me when I heard when I heard that phrase 313 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.480 the galaxy is watching, we are gore, the galaxy is watching. 314 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.480 For me, what was immediately. I'm a big student of 315 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.200 the sixties and sixties activism, and one of the most 316 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.639 famous moments of that it was in nineteen sixty eight. 317 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.360 In late August August thirtieth, there was a huge protest 318 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.720 outside the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and it led 319 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:13.759 to what was often referred to as a police riot. 320 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.080 This was what an official commission looking into it, that 321 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:19.639 the police rioted in terms of going so overboard in 322 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.000 their violence. And I don't think anyone was killed, but 323 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.720 a lot of people were horribly injured, mass arrests and 324 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.480 the same kind of tactics. And during that the people 325 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.759 were shouting the whole world is watching. And that's a 326 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.960 phrase that comes originally from a Bob Dylan song, but 327 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.559 it becomes something that was said. And part of the 328 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.759 idea of it was because the cameras were on them, 329 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.360 and the idea was that you know, the world is 330 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.000 going to see what you're doing and see how wrong 331 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.559 it is. And there's an irony about that that I'll 332 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:48.919 talk about a second, but I just wanted to start 333 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.080 there that like, they clearly knew exactly what they were 334 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.200 doing in terms of like referencing stuff from modern day, 335 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.360 but also being like, look, we can look back in history. 336 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.360 I mean they can look it back to you know, 337 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.240 go back even a hundreds of years to how like 338 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.920 you know, union protests and early civil rights protests and 339 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.160 stuff like that. There was so much evidence of government 340 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.480 officials trying to incite violence or trying to do things 341 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:13.279 to so they can say, look, these people are just 342 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.240 so violent. The phrase they kept using of they don't 343 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.599 respect imperial norms. You know, all of this is yes, 344 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.279 there's hyperspace, yes there's laser guns, but this is exactly 345 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:24.319 our own world. 346 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.240 Yeah, And like I've covered many protests over the years 347 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.680 for the Star Tribune and other news and stuff, and like, 348 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:36.400 I mean, this is very much like what it feels 349 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:37.839 like like in the middle of these protests. 350 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:38.640 Like it's just like. 351 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.720 There's like this almost like baseline of like just like 352 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.079 everyone is like, you know, sticking together, and like there's 353 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.079 this camaraderie like you know when they're singing together, but 354 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.960 also there's like that there's like fear built up, and 355 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.720 all it takes is one one pushed the wrong way, 356 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:58.920 one person to make a choice, and it's just like 357 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.440 because everyone's still on edge, it just sparks this group reaction. 358 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.200 And they created the perfect basically the perfect storm for 359 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.720 that to happen. Like they they the protesters were being 360 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:17.519 peaceful until the ISB decided to fire the shot to 361 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.039 to spark it. They just knew, but that was gonna happen. 362 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:22.119 There was no doubt that that's what would happens. That's 363 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.680 what happens, and I've seen firsthand in real life protests. 364 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.880 Yeah yeah, like that was always the plan of this 365 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:34.960 whole thing, you know, the whole barricading the plaza and 366 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.480 then opening it back up and walling the people in, 367 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.039 like that was always the plan, which is just like 368 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:41.720 so chilling. 369 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:44.400 Like the one. 370 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.079 Officer said to Dedra, he said, like I'm the trigger, 371 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:48.799 you're the finger. 372 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:50.440 Make sure you're available. 373 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.000 Oh yeah, that was so good. He then puts so 374 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.799 much the guilt the responsibility on her shoulders, which I 375 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.240 think we'll talk about her story in a minute. Yeah, uh, 376 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.880 just for that though, I thought. Also, what was really 377 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.680 brilliant is like that protest was pretty much nonviolent. There 378 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.079 was one guy who threw a rock, and I think 379 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:09.519 there was a couple lot of people sort of shoving 380 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.359 and stuff like that, but nothing lethal. But then once 381 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.400 the shooting started, a lot of people had brought weapons 382 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.480 to that and like that, you know, that doesn't make anything. 383 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.039 The ice B was doing okay by any means, but 384 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.920 it also just further shows like this is how quick 385 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.559 it was to instigate because a lot of those people 386 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.640 were coming expecting violence. You know, they weren't going to 387 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.400 start it, and you know, the ICEBA was completely wrong 388 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.039 to start it, but that was the tinder. You know, 389 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.839 everything was ready to burn, and that's exactly what the 390 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.079 empire had been doing. That's why they'd been inciting all this, 391 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:40.960 so that they would get more people who wanted to 392 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.039 bring weapons and have all this stuff. Because then, and 393 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:45.319 in some ways to me, that was one of the 394 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.319 greatest ironies of this was the reason why people were 395 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.759 shouting in Chicago the whole world is watching is that 396 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.279 it was true, and that's considered by a lot of 397 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.559 people one of the real sort of breaking point moments 398 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.880 of people starting to decide. With the long haired hippies, 399 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.240 I think maybe Vietnam is not actually the best thing, 400 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.559 because we saw this horrible violence by the police towards 401 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.240