WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:04.240 Saint Helen's have lost yet another match, wigging their neighbors 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:08.439 have a talented batch leads set the pace. Huddersfield win again. 3 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:11.519 Who left Ce's coach change looks like it was in vain. 4 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:15.960 Okr are going through their usual gears, Wakier having one 5 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.879 of their best ever years. Welcome to the thirty first 6 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:24.039 episode of Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily about 7 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:25.679 the top tier of British rugby league. 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:27.519 My name is Lee. 9 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:31.480 Addison and my name is John Davidson. I'm a coach 10 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:35.759 in Australia, John a journal in the UK. 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John, have you been 23 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:14.840 out and about at games this weekend. 24 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:20.079 I haven't been at a game, but I have consumed 25 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.000 many on the television. 26 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.280 Okay, so when we get to the television segment of 27 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.719 this podcast, I'm sure you're gonna have plenty of things 28 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:33.439 to say. On Thursday, we had Huddersfield win again against 29 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.719 Hull LEFC. Your first thoughts before I go through the 30 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.840 try scorers and whatnot, John, about that that outcome if 31 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.640 nothing else. 32 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.079 Yeah, I mean there was a few sort of staying 33 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.959 out things I think from that game. Obviously, Haddersfield back 34 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.400 to back wins is a big result for them when 35 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:54.239 you consider how diet the season has been. But I 36 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:57.439 think jim And is starting to make some in rides 37 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.920 there and getting a win is just more of the same. 38 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.439 One thing that really struck me in that game watching 39 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.280 it was like one of the Haddersfield tries, just a 40 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.280 lack of urgency from Halle of ce, like they didn't 41 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.280 really wanted to chase, didn't really want to put their 42 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.840 bodies on the line. Yeah, there's just big, big problems 43 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.919 at that club and this season. I mean they're in 44 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.479 real danger now finishing last, which you know, considering themselves 45 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.560 on Haddersfield to spend the full cap. That's that's pretty damning, 46 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.280 and that there's three teams that have come up from 47 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:34.159 the championship. So yeah, you can't run out of things 48 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.599 to say about HOLLFC because it's just an absolute shit shot. 49 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.840 We'll talk a bit more about them and Busfield Giants 50 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.240 after we've gone through the scorers of the game. Wadersfield 51 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:51.719 Giants twenty two, HALLFC sixteen Patolo Wrench, Flannagan and Jagger scored. 52 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:56.719 He showed moves like Jagger and Flannagan kicked three goals. 53 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:02.000 Halef C sixteen came from Bachelor too from Lytton and 54 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.199 too from Hardacre. Four wins for Huddersfield this year one 55 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.560 above them now is all left c. I can't begin 56 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.159 to tell you how happy I am for for Huddersfield 57 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:16.240 that they've finally got some victories on the board because 58 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:21.879 contrary to many people's belief, because they seem to have 59 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.800 featured every week on this podcast for various reasons that 60 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.479 aren't good, it's because we actually want them to succeed, 61 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:29.960 isn't it. 62 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:32.960 Well, you don't. 63 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.759 We don't revelent seeing any club struggle, but you certain 64 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.919 clubs perhaps handle it better than others and don't make 65 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.479 certain statements about being unleashed and everything else, or they 66 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:48.719 continue to make the same mistakes. But yeah, Huddersfield, you know, 67 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.719 a spirited wind for them and the match needing and 68 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.680 I think, look, if they didn't get the wooden spoon 69 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.960 this year, considering the year, if they managed to kind 70 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.159 of on a bit of a run now, that would 71 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.280 be you know, big boost for them and for the 72 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:02.439 for the squad. 73 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.719 And for wat Jim, you know, confidence for Jim, he's 74 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:07.960 doing it. HULLFC. 75 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.639 They they shouldn't be anywhere near this position. I mean, 76 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:14.599 we're going to go talk about the running soon, so 77 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.079 we'll be able to analyze whether we're sinkle FC are 78 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.439 in danger of finishing in the bottom position. 79 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.759 Again. You said there's not much more to say. I think. 80 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.199 There's there's a lot more to analyze though, in terms 81 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:32.519 of John Cartwright ended up not being there for the 82 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.839 rest of this year, the way that was handled and 83 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.519 there's enough. There's there was enough Hull FC people online 84 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.160 who were willing to support how that was done and 85 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:49.920 explained quite well how it had gone about. But part 86 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.759 of me thinks, sorry, a big chunk of me thinks 87 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.480 that it was handled poorly, particularly with hindsight now when 88 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.959 you see how they've u. 89 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.079 Fallen through a floor. 90 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.839 It's pretty clear to me that John cart Right wasn't 91 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.439 the problem. It's pretty clear to me that Tony Smith 92 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.720 wasn't the problem. Tony Smith, who had done well at Leeds, 93 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.839 who'd done well at Warrington, who'd done well at whole KR, 94 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:21.480 who'd even managed to do good things at Huddersfield right 95 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.560 at the start so that he could get all these 96 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.439 other Super League jobs, had a problem at or Left Sea. 97 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:31.920 So there's deeper issues there isn't there that that that 98 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.519 speak to the way all left s are traveling, not 99 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.839 just right now in the last few years. 100 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:39.160 Definitely. 101 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.079 I mean, there's no doubt that they handled the John 102 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.600 Cartwright situation very very poorly. Whether he was their coach 103 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.600 next year or not, they should have handled that in 104 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:48.680 a way that he. 105 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.680 Saw out is he They kept the squad intact. 106 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.399 That's sort of you know, driven a bit of a 107 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.399 you could say, a bit of a went through the squad, 108 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.240 particularly the likes of you know, Aiden sees Are, he's 109 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.079 Sam Jed obviously he's gone after But they handled that Paulie. 110 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.439 They didn't really explain it to their fans. 111 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.839 Or to the wider rugby league community, and they've just 112 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.600 made some some poor recruitment decisions as well. 113 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.519 So it's just a bit of a cycle that repeats itself. 114 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.480 I mean, when you've got people running a club who've 115 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:21.120 got no experience running clubs, I mean, and no transparency, 116 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:25.360 no accountability, there's you know, it's a recipe for disaster. 117 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.839 And that's that's what we're that's what we're seeing dished 118 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:34.160 up at HALFC. Yeah, you know, I think Steve McMahon 119 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.000 is a good coach and I think he you know, 120 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.800 is a good appointment, and hopefully he can turn that around. 121 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.120 But as you said, the issues definitely run deeper than 122 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:43.839 just the head coach. 123 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.519 I felt so sorry for Early Bird, who's a regular 124 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.600 contributor to this podcast and a listener, and he tweeted, 125 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:52.920 I don't know if he tagged you in he basically 126 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.279 said he can't bear to listen towards this week and 127 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.199 for once, it's actually nothing to do with you and 128 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.800 I John, it's because of his whole and he's so 129 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.720 devastated by by what he's witnessing his club going through 130 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.959 right now. And I tell you what must be making 131 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.759 it a hell of a lot worse. It's that they're 132 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.519 the neighbors. Hulkingston Rovers are having a bad season by 133 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.839 their recent standards, if you like. And when I say recent, 134 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.079 I mean compared to last year. However, Hulls he could 135 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:26.199 only dream of having this kind of this kind of season. 136 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.560 Uk I got back on the winning train this week. 137 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.079 They beat Bradford Bulls forty to sixteen. Burgers scored two, 138 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.959 clocking up his two hundred career tries in the process. 139 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.480 Broadbent may Lytton Davis Minchella scored the rest of the tries. 140 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.120 The goals were from Hampshire, who kicked three and Martin 141 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.079 that kicked three, who kicked three Bradford Bulls. Sixteen came 142 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.959 from Amoritage win Ackers and two goals from Hooley. One 143 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.480 thing that strikes me, John is how many times there's 144 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.639 more than one goalkicker when there's a lot of points 145 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.600 scored in the Super League after I don't know if 146 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.600 it happens as much in the NRL. I don't think 147 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.480 anybody goes up to Nathan Clear who goes step aside somehow, 148 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.399 But but it just seems to be a common thing. 149 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.959 That's just a little diversion there from what we're here 150 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.959 to talk about, which is that Joe Burgess reached two 151 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:25.120 hundred tries and whole k are pretty easily i think 152 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.800 dispatched of Bradford Bulls. 153 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:28.600 Yeah they did. 154 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.079 I mean I think you know that was the flashes 155 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.960 of the whole hour of old. You know, they gifted 156 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.759 Bradford to try to sort of level it up early 157 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.600 and then you know, basically stepped up a gear and 158 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.080 I left Bradford in their dust. I think the highlights 159 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.600 for me from that game was Tara May scored a 160 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.639 try where he but he'd beat I think about thirteen players. 161 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:50.720 I was like he had spiders on him, that one 162 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:51.519 could touch him. 163 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:55.240 And then soon after Connor Winns scored a similar one 164 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.600 to try. I think he went about ninety five meters 165 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.879 and even Fender off right, I'm sure at the end. 166 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.159 So that was a pretty special effort. But yeah, Bradford 167 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.480 well beaten, and for KR who were in that top 168 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.679 six battle at a very important win and they've got 169 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.200 a big showdown coming up with with Warrington. 170 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.279 I'm not sure. Actually it might be the week after 171 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.279 the midweek after. 172 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.879 But yeah, a couple of results now, a couple of 173 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:23.759 wins in arewn now for. 174 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:29.679 KR and in a irony the journalist on the BBC 175 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.559 who completed the story and where I read the triscorers 176 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.120 from their the BBC website it's called Phil cart Right. 177 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.159 So cart rights are everywhere in whole or were at 178 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:42.320 least anyway. 179 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:44.159 To lose. 180 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.799 Went to Leeds and got absolutely how much leads forty 181 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:53.759 six to lose zero zilch, nada. Two tries from Connor, 182 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:59.759 one to a ledski Holroyd McDonald, Newman, Croft and Lum 183 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.360 with the other try scorers, and Connor kicked seven goals 184 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.480 and nobody took him off the job. Very easy to 185 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:11.840 read to lose his try scorers today because yes they 186 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.840 didn't score anything. Apparently their side was quite depleted though. 187 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:16.159 Job. 188 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.960 Yeah, there was an Academy debut on in the halves 189 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.279 and you know, I'm not sure if whether it was 190 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.440 injuries or just rotation, but you know, leads at home 191 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.320 on a Friday night at top of the table was 192 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:31.440 always going to be a tough ass. And I think 193 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.600 it was aiding nil to leads at half time and 194 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:38.240 they you know, lifted you could say in poland even 195 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.039 more try a second half. It was pretty much one 196 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:45.960 way traffic all game. Yeah, you know, typical kind of 197 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.919 even with leads with you know, Civo out and a 198 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:49.840 few other injuries. 199 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.759 They've got some pretty good depth that they've built there. 200 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:57.799 So very we're going to talk about the top six more, 201 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.039 particularly the league leaders chase and so a very important 202 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.159 win for Leeds to stay two points ahead of the 203 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:04.960 chasing pack. 204 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:14.960 Leads ten matches at home, leads ten wins at home 205 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:20.200 this year Lee eight Wigan twenty. I saw some of 206 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.799 this game tries to senior, well, I try to senior 207 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.759 from Lee and Cook kick two goals. Wiggans twenty came 208 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:32.559 from field French Eckersley, Hodgkinson. Smith kicked two goals. Ten 209 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:37.320 wins in a row and all competitions for Wigan. It 210 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.919 has been described as playoff intensity. I don't know how 211 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:45.519 you can call it playoff intensity when Lee just basically 212 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.159 managed to give Wigan so many opportunities to win the game. 213 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.320 Playoff intensity is about staying with your opposition for most 214 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.200 of it, at least so well. I think I think 215 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.360 they were trying to. I think in terms of intensity. 216 00:11:59.399 --> 00:11:59.720 It was. 217 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.840 There were some really big hits and some you know, 218 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:04.639 it was quite fast game. I thought this was a 219 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.000 really entertaining game. Actually, I did feel a little bit 220 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.039 for Lee because I think they played quite well in patches, 221 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.919 but they'd make an error and Wigan would just pick 222 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:14.919 up the ball immediately counterattack. 223 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:15.240 It was. 224 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.159 It was like one of those old football games where 225 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.799 you know, someone parks the bus and then long ball 226 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.679 and you get ahead of or a second you know, 227 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.080 a second ball and someone scores, like hit them on 228 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:30.919 the brake that that joy field try, you know, the 229 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.759 quick tap that was from the lead perspective. 230 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.879 That was a nightmare. But yeah, great performance from Wigan. 231 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.559 I think Lee would put everything into it and then 232 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.759 they'd forced a couple of passes and made a couple 233 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:47.200 of errors and Wigan just counter punch them and stole 234 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.279 stole the victory like a thief in the night. So yeah, 235 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.000 a big result for them over their local rivals. 236 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.360 Yeah, from what I saw Lee, Lee were just doing 237 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.720 silly things. I saw off in goalie try and do 238 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:05.320 it a tip on and honestly, sometimes all you need 239 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.120 to do in Super League is hold the ball and 240 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.840 just turn the ball over. At the other end of 241 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.759 the field. Lee struggled to do that, and I think 242 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.039 people need to look at how Wigan do this, because 243 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:17.399 they literally are very good at just turning the ball 244 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.279 over at the other end of the field, and you 245 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.799 could almost argue they were waited for Lee to make 246 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.279 those errors and then they had they had the potency 247 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.519 to pounce. So it's it's not rocket science. Lee and 248 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.720 Adrian Lamb and I think that's just where you need 249 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.240 to get your team too, and tell tell players to 250 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.919 be a bit more patient with the football. Castleford eighteen 251 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.039 Warrington forty eight. I saw a bit of this game too. 252 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:50.279 Castleford's eighteen came from Artie Sharp laolow to to Gangaia 253 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:56.360 and Weaver kicked three. Go on, go on, help me 254 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:06.720 Lulu to guy Tonga Guy, Yes, Tongua guy. 255 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:10.720 Because there's apostrophe in there, so it's just just calling PLT. 256 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.840 I think that's PLT Weave three. 257 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:19.000 Warrington's forty eight holroyd Ashton got to King Sipy, Harrison, 258 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:26.000 Hayes and Curry Irwin kick take gold and I can't 259 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.200 help but think that Castleford must I don't know how 260 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:36.320 much hair their coach has got left because for a 261 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:40.039 while there it was again and Castleford just laid down. 262 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.600 There was sixteen six ahead cast yes you know, yeah 263 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:53.679 schizophrenic Castleford again. Times I gifted Warrington at least two 264 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.840 tries with Theirs at the back, but let' scored some 265 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:02.200 nice tries and then some really soft defense again. You know, 266 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.919 there was a dumb play when someone played the ball 267 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.360 from Cats and there was no dammy half and then 268 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:14.240 Alex Paul again simbind Yeah, soft trial that I considered 269 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:18.120 for ben carry right at the end, just yeah, their 270 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.399 own worst enemy again. You just with cash you never 271 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.799 know what you're going to get. Low and Hayesport, I 272 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.120 thought for Warrington was very very good. Well, dere's a 273 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.919 victory for Warrington, but just some really stupid play from 274 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.320 the Tigers. 275 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:34.799 When I read out this next result and scorers focus 276 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:38.279 on praising the winners first and then I've got plenty 277 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:43.440 for the for the vanquished in this game. York thirty four, 278 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.679 Saint Helen's thirty two. York's thirty four came from Benison too. 279 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.960 From field Bamford Vaughn. I can't believe the former England 280 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:58.559 cricket captain is performing now for York and Williams scored 281 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.519 another and Benison. I hope this isn't less better Benson 282 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:08.440 or wrong there Benison. That was Bettinson kick five goals. 283 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.120 St Helen's thirty two came from Davis right Wellsby got 284 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.159 to Robertson. Douglas Hastings kicked four goals. Like I said, 285 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.799 let's focus on York winning great results for them at home. 286 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.840 They're a hard team to beat at home. That's the 287 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.080 first win over Saint Helens in eighty years. 288 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.279 I was going to bring that I'm stet up for you, 289 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.399 but you're already over. I mean, yeah, first first time 290 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.080 I've been to announced its nineteen forty six. I mean, 291 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.879 obviously they're not played a lot, I think each other, 292 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.039 and that at least for quite a few decades, because 293 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.559 I haven't been in Super League and not the first Division. 294 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.120 But as a as a massive result, isn't it first 295 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.200 victory over the years? 296 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:55.399 Okay, Saint Helen's Look. 297 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:00.200 Let's let's just I'll just say overall, that is a 298 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:00.840 thrilling game. 299 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.920 Went down to the last minute with a kick from 300 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.680 the sideline to tie up, and there was some fantastic 301 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.720 rugby leagues and some great tries in this game. 302 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.559 But yeah, Saint Helen's another loss. 303 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.880 There's a reason Saint Helen's haven't lost to York for 304 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.039 eighty years. I think it shouldn't really be happening. If 305 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.519 Saint Helen's are performing like they should, let's give them 306 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.559 something to look forward to. There's some new coach news 307 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:28.799 potentially well. 308 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.440 I heard, yeah, I broake the story during last week 309 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:35.960 that Todd Lowry is definitely someone they are looking at. 310 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.039 There's been a lot of talk about Saint Helens after 311 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.720 they sat poor Rollie that they're going to look in Australia. 312 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.960 Ben Holby's pretty much ruled himself out and it is 313 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:53.440 interesting obviously with the Lorrie Daily News stepping energy so 314 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.680 well as coach because you think that would likely to 315 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.960 be Making or Boyd Corner. So they potential were potential 316 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.119 candidates as well for Els. But yeah, Todd Lowry's on 317 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.039 the coaching staff at Melbourne under Craig Bellamy minus n. 318 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:11.279 He's pretty highly regarded, had a pretty handy career back 319 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.799 you know, I think twos twousand and three till till 320 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.839 maybe about twenty sixteen as. 321 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:25.440 A Newcastle paramatterials Melbourne Storm Warriors Warrior. Yeah, so yeah, 322 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.799 I've heard he's quite highly regarded. So a bit of 323 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.960 a surprise name when when I first heard that. But 324 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:37.920 he's in the mix. But yeah, Officer Allen's sorry, yeah again. 325 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.519 I mean I always critique the coaching appointments. In March 326 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.279 twenty twenty, Lowry was named as the coach for the 327 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.880 Skulne Thoroughbred. So that's not far from Newcastle, is it? Scone? 328 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:55.119 So that's from Scone as well. Yeah, yeah, that'll be 329 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.160 in groups something or other in the in. 330 00:18:58.160 --> 00:18:59.519 The Country Rugby League. 331 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:05.359 And then in November twenty two he returned to the 332 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:09.839 Storm as the development coach for the Storm's feeder side. 333 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:15.200 Now my understanding of development coaches is that they sort 334 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.000 of hang on the periphery of teams. 335 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:23.640 So I one of the worst things Saint Helen's can do. 336 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:29.160 I don't know enough about Todd Lowry's job description at Melbourne, okay, so, 337 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.200 but one of the worst things Saint Helen's can do 338 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.960 is a pointer coach just because he's from Australia and 339 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.799 says the right things. So they need to look at background, 340 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:46.240 they need to look at actual genuine qualities of what 341 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:50.359 a coach requires who comes into Saint Helens will almost 342 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.799 have to rebuild the club and rebuild the club in 343 00:19:53.839 --> 00:20:00.400 a new image with a relatively new CEO. And based 344 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:05.319 on the information we've got, it's not like with the 345 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.640 It's not like Todd Lowry is being described as the 346 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.920 head coach of Melbourne's feed aside. I would imagine he's 347 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.079 somebody who's on the periphery of that, helping with some skills, 348 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:16.559 et cetera. 349 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.720 There, I'll just cut in there. 350 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:23.599 So my understanding is that he works with the first 351 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.559 team in terms of mentoring players, and he is part 352 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.680 of Prey Blingy staff, so he's very involved with the 353 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.440 with the first cred tape first grade team and has 354 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:34.880 is quite highly regarded by the. 355 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:39.799 I get that, But again the job description. If we 356 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.240 think about what Saint Helen's need right now, they need 357 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:47.119 somebody who can change a culture it seems like a 358 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.839 broken dressing room. They need somebody who can manage upwards 359 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.640 with a new CEO and a chairman that have chopped 360 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:58.599 through coaches in the last couple of years. They need 361 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:04.240 somebody who who can recruit and has some recruiting Paul. 362 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:09.319 They need somebody who can probably oversee some youth development 363 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.720 initiatives as well, but they also need to have a 364 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.960 rough idea of what they're going to get tactically. Now 365 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.920 this coach the only team has been head coach obviously 366 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:21.119 gone Thoroughbreds. 367 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:27.920 Also the Newcastle Knights under twenties I think in twenty sixteen, 368 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:28.640 twenty seventeen. 369 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:29.440 Yeah around then. 370 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:34.079 Okay, so that wasn't listed. So let's forget. Let's not 371 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.119 forget the history of Saint Helen's coaches. Who are the 372 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.960 two best recent coaches they've had in the last ten years. 373 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:43.960 I think, just to jump back, I think Tod There 374 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:49.000 coached West Newcastle and the Newcastle comp as well, so 375 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.480 he has got a bit of shall we say head 376 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:55.000 coaching experience. But yeah, you're talking about Justin Hallbrok and 377 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.119 Christian wolf Christian Wolfe sorry, and I think the mold 378 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.079 for their ice that is an n RL assistant coach 379 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.680 who's up and coming, who's kind of viewed to be 380 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.519 as one of the next NRL head coaches. 381 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.880 He's not even an n r L assistant John Well. 382 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.000 I think I think he is on the I think 383 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.640 it fills an assistant role, a fourth in charge by 384 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:20.920 fifth in charge. 385 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:24.640 Yeah, he's his right hand man, is he? That's my 386 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:25.279 point and. 387 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.160 It's not but I think I think my point is 388 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.880 I think that's what the mold that they're looking for. 389 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.960 But much like ole k Are, remember wholek Are, I 390 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.920 think Kalas was their fourth choice. You know, Ben Gardner 391 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.039 knocked them back. I think Matt King knocked them back 392 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.720 and Nathan Chalos wasn't even someone who was kind of talked. 393 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.680 About why are these clubs getting knocked back? Hault Kingston 394 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.359 Rovers and Alan, you know are two big clubs in 395 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.039 the you know Wiley, you know cash not just cash. 396 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.440 I think I think you look at the NRLs bringing 397 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:02.240 two new clubs. So you know, Anthony Sewell, Luke Bird 398 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.319 have gone to PNG with Willie Peters, melmon Inger's got 399 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:11.640 Ben Gardner. It isn't necessarily you know, it's still a pathway. 400 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.599 But yeah, there is more money in the RL for 401 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:18.039