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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Skin and Soul. I'm Gwenemkarsley, a transformational body,

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<v Speaker 1>sex and Soul coach, and I'm inviting you on a bold,

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<v Speaker 1>unfiltered journey into the heart of our humanity through the

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<v Speaker 1>lens of arrows. This is where we strip away the shame,

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the unspoken, and embrace the wild, raw truth

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<v Speaker 1>of our desires.

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<v Speaker 2>Together we'll crack.

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<v Speaker 1>Open the taboo and cover our deepest intimacies and.

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<v Speaker 2>Awaken the pulse of our sexual essence.

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<v Speaker 1>Because real transformation it's messy, it's thrilling, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Buckle up, loves, Skin and Soul. Beyond the Pale starts

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<v Speaker 1>in three two one. Let's go hi there and welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Gwenhem I'm your host of Skin and Soul Beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the Pale, where we get to talk about what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be profoundly human through the lens of arrows,

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<v Speaker 1>which yes, means yummy's sexuality and euphoria and bliss and

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<v Speaker 1>all the yummy stuff as well as the ikey and

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<v Speaker 1>the guck, like the shame, the fear and all of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That comes with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am in conversation today with Maria Marloney, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a sex and relationship coach, sacred sexuality educator, and

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<v Speaker 1>author of The Naked Truth How becoming a stripper saved

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<v Speaker 1>my life, which I loved.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it because it's in I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's done in such natural language.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm sitting in the living room with you. So,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, welcome for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you so much. I'm very excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna be talking about a lot of yummy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff today, everything from women's Yoni massages to the life

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<v Speaker 1>of stripping and coming out and finding your authentic life purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just want people to get a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of background about how you got to where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's see. So first, it was a therapist, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a therapist now for over thirty years, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can believe. And I wanted to become a life coach.

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<v Speaker 2>So I signed up for the program, which was in

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<v Speaker 2>California while I was living in Massachusetts, where I still live,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know how I was going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for it, right, I knew I wanted to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was my next step, but I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll figure out the details later. So I was telling

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<v Speaker 2>I had this. My daughter at the time was like

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<v Speaker 2>five or six years old, and she was on a playdate,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was talking to the other little girl's

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<v Speaker 2>mother and I said, yeah, I signed up for this

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<v Speaker 2>life coaching, you know, school, I don't know how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to pay for it. And she said, oh. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize she was an exotic dancer, and she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you just try dancing. It's really easy and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll make a lot of money. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't I just do that? Most women and at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I was thirty seven, right, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>old really to be yesterber. Most women would not just say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll do that. But I'm an unusual person and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm comfortable showing my body. So I did it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that number one. I totally loved it. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a blast right away. I could definitely pay for

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<v Speaker 2>school that way. And then it started to dawn on

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<v Speaker 2>me like I wasn't just going to become this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like generic life coach. I was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a coach that specialized in sex and relationships, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>always been my thing. You know, since I was a teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>people have been asking me questions about sex, so somehow

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<v Speaker 2>like they knew that I was the person to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>So I realized that, yes, that was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>my specialty. And there at the strip club. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to understand this really, I think for some people, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually doing sacred work with the customers at

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<v Speaker 2>the club. We can talk about that more if we want.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I started to realize that in my past lives,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a priestess, so I was doing tontric work

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<v Speaker 2>with people. And then I started teaching these workshops on

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<v Speaker 2>how to do sacred spot massage, which is something that

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<v Speaker 2>you've already mentioned we're going to be talking about. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when I turned fifty eight, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this Tontraus stuff is really so much more of my

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<v Speaker 2>life purpose than being a you know, I'm a good therabiz,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a good coach, but I know that that's really

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm here is to start to spread the word

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<v Speaker 2>more about tntra And so I said, well, I'm either

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it or I'm not going to And I said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so here we are. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And because when we were first talking, you were also

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<v Speaker 1>talking about being so comfortable in your body, and I

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<v Speaker 1>remember having, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that similar.

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<v Speaker 1>I had grown up also in a household where my

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<v Speaker 1>mother was really comfortable with her body, but not comfortable sexually.

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<v Speaker 2>So and.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're totally different things, right, So walking my mother

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<v Speaker 1>walking around and opening the door half naked was never

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. You know, I'd be totally doing this as

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<v Speaker 1>she was there with her you know, little t shirt

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<v Speaker 1>and undors, the elevator door opened and people and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, I want to die now,

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<v Speaker 1>right twelve years old of course, but sexually she wasn't comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like you a very sexual being

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<v Speaker 1>at a very young age without any languaging around it

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<v Speaker 1>and no positive support around you know, coming out sexually.

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<v Speaker 1>So like for me, this I was just I think

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<v Speaker 1>rampant probably when I was young, not understanding what this

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<v Speaker 1>body is and having so many exquisite experiences and then

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to become more conscious about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring in the piece around like the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, stripping and so on, and the connotations that

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<v Speaker 1>people in the labels that people just throw onto what

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<v Speaker 1>it means to be a stripper, right, like and how

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<v Speaker 1>it's offen slashed, so take the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So yes, I mean you might a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people out there listening might know that the stereotypes are right,

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<v Speaker 2>you are you've got to be a single mother, which

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually, but also you must be a drug

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<v Speaker 2>addict if you're you know, being a stripper and promiscuous,

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<v Speaker 2>that for sure, and desperate, right, I wasn't desperate. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really any of those things except for a single mother.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I also met other professionals like me who

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<v Speaker 2>were there for similar reasons. I used to work with

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<v Speaker 2>a nurse that did some dancing at night. Right, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much stigma, so much shame. I even heard through

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<v Speaker 2>the grape vine at one point that people that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to school with whever, like, oh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>did you hear about that, Maria Marloney, you became a stripper, Like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>such a waste, you know, No, actually, you have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea how much power I had as a dancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's so much empowerment, and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dare I say every woman should try stripping at least once,

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<v Speaker 1>whether even if it's in her living room with her

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<v Speaker 1>guy or for herself around friends, just as a liberation,

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<v Speaker 1>or learned sensual dance just to get into the body

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, to feel comfortable in her own sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>Who absolutely, And I know that that's a thing that typically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if someone is a woman, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>male partner, if they're heterosexual, the man. We really enjoy that,

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<v Speaker 2>and some men will mention it. And I've heard many

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<v Speaker 2>times from women like, oh my gosh, I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>imagine myself doing that, you know. And so as I

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<v Speaker 2>was getting ready to try my hand at dancing, I

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<v Speaker 2>went to one of those like amateur nights.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I just they just let me get up.

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<v Speaker 2>On the stage. And friends that I was telling that

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to do this were saying, well, have

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<v Speaker 2>you practiced, And I said, no, practiced. If I practiced,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get nervous. But so I just went up and

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<v Speaker 2>did it. And what I learned in that is that

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<v Speaker 2>I already knew how to be sexy. I already knew

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<v Speaker 2>how to move my body in a way that was natural,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be sexy. And so I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really key point for women that are listening out there

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<v Speaker 2>is like, you know, the truth is like if I

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<v Speaker 2>go out on the dance alort, I'm not even a

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<v Speaker 2>good dancer. But you don't have to be a good

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<v Speaker 2>dancer to like do a strip tease.

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<v Speaker 1>Even just being in your's it's being in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>being constable. It is your body first and foremost, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, I've seen women and meant for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but just you know, very very slowly not even really

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<v Speaker 1>be doing much right, but you can just feel the

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<v Speaker 1>whole embodiment of their energy as they move, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>so powerful. And that's and that to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>if you cannot do that, then the.

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<v Speaker 2>Question becomes why.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like what is going on for you that you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're not able to really fully express yourself? Which

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<v Speaker 1>you had this question in or this line in your

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<v Speaker 1>in your book, and it says what is wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>being sexual? And I love that because what is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with being sexual?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's we've been told so many things about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as women. So there's totally different rules for males

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<v Speaker 2>or females. But if you're a female and you're sexual,

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<v Speaker 2>then the stereotypes are well, then you're you're over sexed, right,

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<v Speaker 2>people is to use that word promiscuous, right, Like, so

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<v Speaker 2>if a woman has a lot of partners, it's called promiscuous,

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<v Speaker 2>but if a man does, it's like cheered on and

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<v Speaker 2>told like, oh, they have a lot of experience, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that great? Right, So there's that that double standard. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so much shame, like and then you know, if we

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<v Speaker 2>start to get into religion, basically we're gonna die and

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<v Speaker 2>go to hell. That's what's wrong, you know, right, And that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Such an extreme and I do feel like it lives

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<v Speaker 1>in our bodies somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was never brought up religious.

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<v Speaker 1>My father's Jewish, my mother was Protestant, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>grow up with religion, although my grandmother took me to

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<v Speaker 1>church a couple of times, and I remember the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, those words, those wrathful words of

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to hell and these are the these are

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons you're as like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure around sex, but I did feel, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like a lot of shame around the out

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<v Speaker 1>of sexuality that I felt even as a young girl

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<v Speaker 1>and then growing up and then even in my marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I was like super sexual, super sensual, and

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like, oh, I need to dumb this down, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to mute this energy. This is not welcome even

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<v Speaker 1>in relationship, and that I think hits a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It hits both men on their side really hard, and

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<v Speaker 1>it hits women as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, I mean there is. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I was dealing with when I say

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing sacred work. At the strip club, men

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<v Speaker 2>would shame themselves by, for example, saying like when they

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<v Speaker 2>see a dancer, they call that pervert room. So you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he obviously must be a pervert if he's heterosexual and

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<v Speaker 2>he's interested in seeing a woman with her clothes off,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there couldn't be anything more normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, And you even bring up, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you even bring up that it's it's an alternative to cheating, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's you know that it's an outlet for and

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<v Speaker 1>I know various men that you know are in long

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I actually had a customer who was there at

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<v Speaker 2>His wife was extremely ill. I don't think, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like she probably had cancer and she

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great alternative that he figured out for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think we underestimate how powerful and how

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this guy, you know, instead of burdening his

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<v Speaker 2>probably going through cancer treatments right now. Could you just

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be so inappropriate, right, But so instead of burdening

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<v Speaker 2>in other ways. And yes, it was probably a good

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we think it's one or the other, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's exclusive. Oh, this person's going through an illness, I

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<v Speaker 1>must be there for them ten thousand percent in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that excludes my own needs and my own desires.

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<v Speaker 1>And the truth is is that they're not mutually exclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>They're happening all at the same time. It's a very

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<v Speaker 2>Experience I imagine for most people.

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<v Speaker 1>And right, it's it's how do you deal with one

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<v Speaker 1>and the other? And I think there's there's something really

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<v Speaker 1>feel witnessed and seen. And like you said, is it

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<v Speaker 1>bad to go and look at Like, what's wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>going and seeing a bunch of beautiful naked women?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Exactly, absolutely nothing. And you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the guys there that was an unusual situation. But the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the guys there were either single or they

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<v Speaker 2>were partnered, but they weren't getting their needs met at home.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that sadly, there are so many women that

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<v Speaker 2>have issues with their own sexual expression, that lose interest

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<v Speaker 2>in sex for various reasons, right for their because their

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<v Speaker 2>own trauma, because the relationship's not going well. There could

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<v Speaker 2>be many reasons. But there's so many guys out there

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<v Speaker 2>who are so lonely and in need to get some

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<v Speaker 2>a real conversation face to face with a woman where

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<v Speaker 2>I am I was just like totally focusing on them

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<v Speaker 2>for a period of time, let alone the lap dance

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<v Speaker 2>like that was a gift. And again, yes, what is

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with the fact that these guys did that to

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<v Speaker 2>get some of their own It's meant because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>their fault that their wife's not interested in having sex

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<v Speaker 2>with them, but it's still the responsibility to take care

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed. And a couple of things come up for me,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one because you do bring in transparency right

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<v Speaker 1>like at what you know because you're you've been very

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<v Speaker 1>transparent about your life to everyone in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>which you know you hold yourself to the utmost integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love, and then you have people coming in

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<v Speaker 1>who who can't. And so I want to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about like the difference between transparency and privacy

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<v Speaker 1>or discernment, because I think they're you know, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>fine lines. Right, there's a difference between lying, right, there's lying,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just like fighting, well, and do we want to

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<v Speaker 1>say lying, let's just say hiding, and then there is

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<v Speaker 1>transparency and discernment, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mean for these customers that were coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, both for the customers and for you personally, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you define them for yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know for me, the way I was brought up,

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<v Speaker 1>I was not allowed to lie, right, I was not allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was in I became an oversharer because

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to keep anything for myself. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>I was still shamed for telling my truth. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think my truth came out more out of obligation rather

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<v Speaker 1>than from a sense of my own integrity when I

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<v Speaker 1>was younger, and today I'm actually working on discernment, which means.

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<v Speaker 2>Transparency, like to be open and honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet you know, I don't owe everybody everything, right as

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<v Speaker 1>long as I Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to think about it in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm thinking of being transparent with somebody about something

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<v Speaker 2>you know, personal to me, what is my reason for

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to do that, and you know what might come

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<v Speaker 2>of it? So, for example, I didn't tell the whole

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<v Speaker 2>world that I was an exotic dancer. Thought wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been necessarily a wise thing to do, but in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases it also wouldn't be a kind thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, I didn't tell my elderly Italian father thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was a stripper, right because that had no bearing

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<v Speaker 2>on our relationship at all, And I imagined that he

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<v Speaker 2>probably would have felt, you know, sad or worried about

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<v Speaker 2>me or disappointed or so, you know, those kind of feelings,

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<v Speaker 2>and like what would be the point of that? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think this this kind of stuff is extremely situational.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you but you did tell your husband, your

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband, sorry, your ext I did you did? You

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<v Speaker 1>came clean after around an affair, You came clean around

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, which and just which took a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of courage, you know, to be able to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hold space now for your feelings and your age.

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<v Speaker 1>You say it beautifully, just simply like, oh God, I

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<v Speaker 1>can hold this. It's not pleasant that I can hold Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the thing that I had been scared of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, basically since I met my ex husband, is

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<v Speaker 2>that you'd be really really mad at me. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was really really mad at me. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was empowering for me because I realized, like I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually disintegrate, nothing terrible happened when he was really really mad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that he could have his his emotion, he can

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<v Speaker 1>have his experience, and the fear, as say, challenging or

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<v Speaker 1>difficult as it is to hear it from someone else

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<v Speaker 1>or to be in that same space, is also more

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<v Speaker 1>than survivable. But by that time, let me see, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably did enough inner work to be able to hold

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<v Speaker 1>that inside yourself because you didn't make it about all

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<v Speaker 1>about you, like it didn't become about yourself worth, your

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<v Speaker 1>self esteem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. Yeah. I mean I've had to

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of work to get where I am now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people look at me and they say, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you have such a great life, and I say, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I do. And do you have any idea

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<v Speaker 2>how many hours of therapy I've done it to get

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<v Speaker 2>where I am now like just even to be as

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<v Speaker 2>normal as I am, which you know none of us

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<v Speaker 2>is completely normal, but you have no idea. And the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing for my current husband, he went through so

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<v Speaker 2>much therapy and we're so both so grateful that we

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<v Speaker 2>did all that because now we can be in this

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, imagine that calling in? Did you call in your

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<v Speaker 1>husband your current for sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, I went to When I went to life

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<v Speaker 2>coaching school, it was with Gay and Kathlyn Hendrix out

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<v Speaker 2>in California, and they, you know, they're known, especially Gay

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, helping with manifestation. So I took this

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<v Speaker 2>is like you know, two or three D course of

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<v Speaker 2>how to call in your partner. And so I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>on a piece of paper that I stuck upon the

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<v Speaker 2>refrigerator exactly what I was looking for, which is somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that meets me physically right, sexually, emotionally and spiritually. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I got.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think, you know again coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the sexual energy piece and clearing out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things that most people don't get because not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody gets to the sacred sexuality piece or the TNTRA piece.

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<v Speaker 1>I think contra takes it to a level that many

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<v Speaker 1>people don't necessarily go down that path. But having recognition,

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<v Speaker 1>the recognition that sex is divine, that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>sacredness to it, whether you are stripping, whether you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're the you are the stripper or the person

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<v Speaker 1>watching the stripping, or the showing up. I'm say with

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<v Speaker 1>laingerie under their coach right as a man, however, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>shows up that it's sacred because it's being expressed, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet we do so much taboo around it, so much

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<v Speaker 1>shaming still, And I just love your openness, right because

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<v Speaker 1>you're so open around like, anything goes as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's not harming anyone, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in p Yeah, anything consensual between two adults is

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<v Speaker 2>okay by me. I had a client last week who

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<v Speaker 2>has a foot fetish, and he was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for not shaming me about it because I

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<v Speaker 2>had a partner and she was like, oh, that's disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And and he had shame about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, yeah, like I like, guys, you have

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<v Speaker 2>foot fetishes. I think it's awesome, you know what I mean, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. You know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that was healing for him because he had

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<v Speaker 2>had I mean, that's just it's not so uncommon that

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<v Speaker 2>guys have foot fetishes, and you know, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>a little wound there and so you know, these are

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<v Speaker 2>the kinds of this is the kind of healing that

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<v Speaker 2>people can get when they go to a professional like

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<v Speaker 2>you or me or you know. There's so there's more

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<v Speaker 2>of us out there now because it is becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger topic, which is so wonderful. Yeah, it's so needed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's you know, we say we never yuck somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>yum exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I love that statement. And I'm like, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because I'm the opposite of the foot fetish unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've met and it comes from a real place,

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<v Speaker 1>like my feet used to just be you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>danced and they were horrible creatures, my feet, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>my shame was around, please don't look at my feet,

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't touch my feet.

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<v Speaker 2>They feel horrendous, like.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just so so it's understanding I think when couples

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<v Speaker 1>another human, actually to always approach someone with like real consideration,

420
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<v Speaker 1>even even if this is not your life partner, just

421
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<v Speaker 1>real consideration around their bodies and what they might be carrying.

422
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yes. And you know a lot of people will

423
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<v Speaker 2>say like, oh, women have so many hang ups about

424
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<v Speaker 2>their bodies, and it's true. And I happen to also, no,

425
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.480
<v Speaker 2>because I've worked with plenty of men that men do too, right,

426
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:33.119
<v Speaker 2>it's not just the women who have this body shame.

427
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we're right now, we're in the you know,

428
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>brush everything off and you know, blur everything, and everything

429
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.839
<v Speaker 1>has to be perfect. And you say, like you made

430
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 1>a conscious choice not to not to go into hyper

431
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>correction of everything that you showed up on the stage

432
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>as a natural body and looked around the room and said, oh,

433
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's no such thing as ugly. Nobody has

434
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Speaker 1>like a completely ugly body, right, nobody has a perfectly

435
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful body.

436
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:11.400
<v Speaker 2>That it's the combination. Absolutely yes. I think it's a

437
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with like the light that shines from

438
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>within each one of us and how much we allow

439
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that to show. I can tell you that I've seen

440
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.000
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of women naked. I danced for eight years. I

441
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't just stop after life coaching school, I used it

442
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 2>as a way to then open my private practice and

443
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 2>stop working for agencies. So you know, I did this

444
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>for years. I say, so many bodies. There is definitely

445
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.039
<v Speaker 2>no such thing as a perfect body. And you know

446
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 2>there's nineteen year old women with sagging, small breasts. There's

447
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.799
<v Speaker 2>just everything you can possibly imagine. And yet you know

448
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't have perfect body either. But I'll tell you what.

449
00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I got so many compliments on so many different parts

450
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>of my bodies, including things that I never would have

451
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>even thought about, like my ear lobes, that I say,

452
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, it just really we're all good, We're all okay.

453
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to have some kind of classically beauty,

454
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>classically beautiful body in order to be attractive to others.

455
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And all we really have to do is what I

456
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>did at the club. And I think a lot of

457
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the dancers didn't like me because I came in, I

458
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>was older, and I almost always made more money than everybody.

459
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>But my secret was I just was being myself.

460
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just showed up authentically as opposed to eating

461
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 1>to cover it up with. And I'm not going to

462
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>say like fake breasts are bad, like it's whatever anybody

463
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>uses it's not the point. It's that it's when we

464
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>get into a space that we are constantly fixing ourselves

465
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>on the outside as some kind of band aid for

466
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the inside. And I'm not opposed to any kind of like,

467
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, nip and tuck, whatever you like. That's fine

468
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>as long as it's coming from place of loving yourself

469
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and knowing who you are fundamentally and not thinking that,

470
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>oh if I get that tummy talk now, I'm going

471
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>to be loved.

472
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>When I get that.

473
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, chin done now, I'm going to be beautiful

474
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and accepted as a you know, coming in as full body.

475
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>And I just I love that you kept everything like

476
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you're like, yes, I just honor the natural of me, of.

477
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Who I am. Yeah. Yeah, And people love authenticity, like

478
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>we never really have to do anything different than just

479
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>be who we are, right Like I'm here, okay, Yeah,

480
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I have some makeup on because you know, I'm on cameras.

481
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna look better. But I know that I'm beautiful

482
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 2>whether I have makeup on or not. And I've seen women,

483
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know some women that honestly I think

484
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 2>look much more beautiful without their makeup. I agree.

485
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you're like, oh, I like you better without.

486
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like all we really how to do

487
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 2>is be ourselves, and they think that we can't very

488
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 2>often see ourselves through the eyes of others, because of

489
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 2>course we're who we are, right, so we're looking at

490
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 2>ourselves many times. So critically, they think that if most people,

491
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>men and women could really see themselves more objectively, it

492
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 2>would probably be able to see how attractive they really are.

493
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's important to bring in the men because,

494
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 1>as you said, we take for granted, you know, messaging

495
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 1>around women's bodies has been so out there and it

496
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 1>continues to be. Right now we're dealing with avatars.

497
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 2>And I hate all that.

498
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was one thing and when things were

499
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 1>airbrushed and you know, lenses, I just remember when cameras

500
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 1>still wise.

501
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I remember when, but.

502
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Cameras definitely didn't show all of your pores, and cameras

503
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely weren't.

504
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Like zooming in on everything.

505
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>There were. I mean, I think there was even a

506
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>time when they put vaciline on the lens, you know,

507
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>for the Hollywood Yeah right, that very dreamy look to wow,

508
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and we've gotten into hyperrealism, and it's really

509
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>damaging to women and and men. And I want to

510
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about men because I think men

511
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>often also get the short end of like, oh, men

512
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>want women to be this, but we forget that men

513
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>also have insecurities they do that.

514
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 2>We don't talk about. Yeah, they have insecurities about their bodies,

515
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>about their weight, sometimes about their stretch marks. Also, this

516
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>is not uncommon. I've had a number of men and

517
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you might have encountered this too, who tell me that

518
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>they have so much insecurity about the size of their penis.

519
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>And some of these men do not have small penises

520
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>compared to like, you know, the average sized penis, which

521
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 2>is five point five inches. Some of these men have

522
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 2>direct penises that are bigger than that. But because they're

523
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>so used to watching porn, they think that they have

524
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>a small penis. Yeah, because it's so distorted in what

525
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.119
<v Speaker 2>perfection is.

526
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm going to call him now a friend

527
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of mine, but he wasn't what I met him, because

528
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>he's the one who did the Great Wall of Volva

529
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 1>uh and and so, and he's done the Great Spice

530
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 1>of Life and so on, the Great Spice of Life.

531
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 1>He had all you know, he had both women, women's breasts,

532
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>women's vlvas and penises and just the variety, and I

533
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 1>think there's it's so it was so eye opening for

534
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>me to see the library because I thought, you know,

535
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and I come back to this, I've said it before,

536
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>where I just thought there was something like so abnormal

537
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.599
<v Speaker 1>about the way I was shaped or the way I

538
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 1>am and just trying to correct and trying to be like,

539
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what is the perfect baba looking like

540
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>CORIONI that it's got this perfect Barbie kind of thing,

541
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>those dimensions that actually make you fall to the floor.

542
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's actually built that way and can and not have

543
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>back pain severely. Yeah, But also for ment to realize

544
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:20.359
<v Speaker 1>like the variance of sizes, of shapes, of color of

545
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>like I mean everything mm hmm, and that it's all magical.

546
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly, it's all normal, it's all magical, it's all okay,

547
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it's all lovable. Yeah, And that is so not the

548
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>message that we've been given about our own bodies and

549
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>our own genitals. So yeah, I'm glad you said the

550
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>word yoni. A lot of people, you know, in the

551
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>general public don't know what that means. So yes, it does.

552
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>You know you were using the word volva. That's also

553
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>really good because there's been this misconsumption that a volva,

554
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 2>which is the exterior part of a female genitals, is

555
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>of avagina. Well, no, that's not a vagina. That's evolva, right,

556
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>it's the outer lips, the inner lips, the clitteras the

557
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>clitteral hood, that's evolva. Then the inner part of a

558
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 2>woman's sex organs is the vagina, and then there's the womb.

559
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 2>In all three of those together is what is a yoni.

560
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And yoni means sacred space in Sanskrit, so that's a

561
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>ton tric term. People don't know it. And I love

562
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>using the word because I think it gets rid of

563
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:33.079
<v Speaker 2>all the shame about those other words, right that they're

564
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>so stigmatizing, and people are so embarrassed and to say them,

565
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>and they're so weighted.

566
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 1>But I love it there way, And I know so many,

567
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, having done Laila Martin's and like just seeing

568
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, the word pussy used with with such excuberance,

569
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 1>which I still love, like and sometimes I use it

570
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like oh yeah, pussy sounds delicious, and then other times,

571
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 1>like for.

572
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Me, I do like I do like Yoni.

573
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's a really all encompassing it feels sacred,

574
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 1>feel beautiful. I don't know if I use lingam as much.

575
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm still I still play with like, oh,

576
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>what words feel good? But I like to just ask

577
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 1>someone else. But from there, I want to talk about

578
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yoni massage. And because the power of Yoni massage, yes, let's.

579
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Talk about it. So so for decades I've been teaching workshops,

580
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>teaching couples. Usually sometimes I would get a throuble who'd

581
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>come to, like three people in a relationship together and

582
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>teaching either Yoni massage, which is you know, done on

583
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>someone with a female body, or linga massage, which is

584
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 2>done on some with a male body. Right, Linga means

585
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 2>ones of light in Sanskrit. To me, that's so much

586
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 2>more beautiful than cock or you know, all these other words.

587
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 2>But I use them all and people think that they're

588
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna come and they're going to learn this hot new

589
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>technique that's going to really spice up their sex life.

590
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 2>And I don't tell them ahead of time that you know,

591
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>it's really a healing modality, it's really a spiritual practice.

592
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Because they're going to sign up thinking it's this wonderful thing,

593
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>and it does lead to a lot more intimacy, and

594
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>it certainly can lead to a lot better sex. But

595
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>what it really is is it's a massaging of the

596
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:31.079
<v Speaker 2>exterior and interior genitals. People have stuck energy in their bodies.

597
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Everybody has it, right. It could be from it could

598
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.599
<v Speaker 2>be from a rape, it could be from a car accident,

599
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>it could be from a bad divorce. Like everybody's got

600
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 2>some of these things that have happened to them in

601
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>their life. And the biggest place in the body for

602
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>a woman where she stores that energy is actually in

603
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>her womb. But if the G spot is massaged, yes

604
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>there really is such a thing as a G spot,

605
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>then that releases the energy, that stuck energy. And so

606
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>when women have pain during penetrative sex, when women actually

607
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>get to the point where they can't even have anything

608
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 2>inserted inside of them, when women have numbness, when women

609
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>just don't feel much inside of their yonies, it's all

610
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>related to that stuck energy. And so the more that

611
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 2>that spot is massage, the more that stuck energy gets released,

612
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>and the more pleasure is then available. So I've been

613
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>teaching these workshops. Like I said, then I met this

614
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>guy who signed up for a connection call with me,

615
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>decided not to work with me. I was potentially going

616
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to teach him how to do ling a massage for himself. Well,

617
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>he did it on his own, and then he started

618
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>writing me these emails as if we knew each other.

619
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>And I was really confused because it's already been two

620
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>or three years. And I was like, I'm really sorry

621
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 2>to have to say this, but who are you? How

622
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>do we know each other? And he said, yeah, I

623
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>did this connection call with you. Then I started doing

624
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>my ownly a massage and I'm having the most amazing experiences.

625
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm just having one full body orgasm after another. And

626
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<v Speaker 2>this is what has happened as a result of me

627
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 2>continuing to give myself ling a massage every day for

628
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<v Speaker 2>a period of two to three years. So then I

629
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my gosh, we got to tell the

630
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>world about this. This is incredible, right, And that started

631
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 2>to tell the world about it. Then I started saying, ladies,

632
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, while I'm blogging, you gotta try this thing

633
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>this self. You only massage do it, And then I

634
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>thought to myself, I'm not doing it, so I should

635
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 2>probably be doing it if I'm telling other women to

636
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>do it. So unbeknownst to me, what I found out

637
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>through the experience is that when women have unbalanced hormones

638
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>because of perimenopause, menopause or being postmenopausal like I am

639
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 2>because I'm sick now, it balances your hormones to give

640
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.199
<v Speaker 2>yourself a yoni massage. And so I started to like,

641
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I was having problems with not being wet enough, wetter

642
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>than ever before in my life. Now I've been doing

643
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 2>this practice every day for a year and a half,

644
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>started being less interested in sex because frankly, it wasn't

645
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>because my partner, but the sex wasn't as good because

646
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>my orgasms were kind of like a little blip instead of,

647
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, instead of being the way they used to be.

648
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 2>And so all of these problems like got fixed by

649
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>doing the selfioning massage. And I think it's like, you know,

650
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 2>why do we not all know about this, right? Like,

651
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and I know the answer, but really, shouldn't we all

652
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>know these things about our own bodies, Like, yeah, you

653
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>will have drops in certain hormones, but guess what, there's

654
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 2>a thing you can do that you can learn. And

655
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 2>then you can do it yourself every day or as

656
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 2>often as you and it's free to practice.

657
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>It because it's free, it doesn't involve medication at your

658
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 1>own pace.

659
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>It's and it's such a discovery.

660
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I think most women or many women don't don't even

661
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 1>know their bodies, like don't even know what they're capable of.

662
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>And like moving through numbness isn't force or pain or

663
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>trying what you know and just and going and really

664
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 1>exploring the different parts and being able to be with

665
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>all of the sensations. And like you said, it's not

666
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 1>you think you're going into like session one and you're like,

667
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to experience this, give me the magic pill, right,

668
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>exactly right, And I'm always like, you know what, it's

669
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 1>a journey.

670
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 2>It's not.

671
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>It's not like, yes, maybe tomorrow it's going to be explosive,

672
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be amazing. You're gonna have multiple organisms and

673
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>then you're gonna have like a day where it's not

674
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>because when our bodies cycle, and it is a learning

675
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 1>process of going, Oh, this area has been stuck for

676
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 1>so long, be it the the car accident, the sexual

677
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>assault or or whatever, or deep grief or whatever has

678
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>been stored in different parts of our womb.

679
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 2>And I do.

680
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>And you reminded me. I said to you, I said,

681
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm I God. You've just inspired me to

682
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 1>do like the thirty day challenge or the succeed to

683
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 1>do the challenge, to do it every day for like

684
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>a solid practice of let's say, you know, let's say

685
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>ninety days, I'll hold myself accountable to that. I like

686
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 1>it so that it's because I too. I mean, this

687
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 1>is what I do for work. And do you think

688
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing that every day? No, I'm helping others while

689
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>not like you know, being able to. It's the giving

690
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 1>without being able to really come back and.

691
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>The importance of that.

692
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 1>And for men who never think to do this, because again,

693
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>men are just taught like you thrust one out, that's right,

694
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 1>it's trust one out.

695
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:56.079
<v Speaker 2>It's good.

696
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Once you come, it's gone, and you know, and it's true.

697
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>They expend so much energy that after the words are

698
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 1>like I'm done, and then the disparaging part around women

699
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 1>where they're like, well I haven't even I haven't even

700
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>got started, right, And I find that that in between.

701
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>But also for men understanding that you don't have to

702
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>give all of your energy away that you can bring

703
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 1>in this beautiful practice and it it gives you those

704
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>full bodied orgasms, allows you to come literally to orgasm

705
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>over and over. And that orgasm is not the same

706
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 1>as ejaculation. Same thing for women, right, the orgasm versus peaking.

707
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>You know understanding that, yes, having a contraction is not

708
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the same as having deep deep waves or ripples or energetics. However,

709
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 1>orgasms happen for you are not the same.

710
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're really right in saying that a

711
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>lot most people have no idea what their bodies are

712
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.800
<v Speaker 2>capable of. I mean, I've been having good sex for

713
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>many years with different partners. Right I'm having the best

714
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>sex I've ever had, and my body is doing things

715
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't even know it could do. And what

716
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I elseo know about that is there's no end, right, Like,

717
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it can just actually keep getting better and better and better.

718
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 2>And it's a myth that women have to kind of

719
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like give up their sexuality at a certain age or

720
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it's never going.

721
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>To be as good as it used to be.

722
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Because why I know this now from my own experience,

723
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 2>not only can it be as good, it can be better.

724
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>And this can be the best sexual time of our lives.

725
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Once we get you know, forty and up, it can

726
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 2>become the best time.

727
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Which I love because you're sixty and to me, you know,

728
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I was brought up again. Right you go to shrivel

729
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 1>up and die at forty, it's kind of what I was,

730
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like when you're forty, you're done. If nothing

731
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 1>great has happened in your life up until.

732
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Then, forget it.

733
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, you'd be lucky if you can

734
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 1>hang on to your men, or like hang on to

735
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>your partner.

736
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Because your libido goes to die. And I think it's

737
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 2>so sad.

738
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to name who, but I've got a

739
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>very special someone in my life who's you know, sixty

740
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>five now, I think, And it's experiencing the best sex

741
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 1>of her life with her partner. And so, you know,

742
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I really encourage women, couples in fact, to re visit

743
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that old decrepit belief system that has no use and

744
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 1>for men as well, right that all of a sudden,

745
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.679
<v Speaker 1>because men's hormones change too. We think it's just women

746
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>whose bodies changed, but men's bodies changed too, where erections

747
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>don't become the Norman just being able to sustain at

748
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>a level that they did when they're twenty right, bounce right.

749
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Back, Yeah, that's right, like they used to be able

750
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>to do. Actually, here's the other great news. Not only

751
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 2>does it well with sexual sacred spot massage helps women

752
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>with their sexual dysfunction and so many other things, it

753
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 2>also helps men with theirs. So you probably knew this,

754
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 2>but ling a massage which really for a man than

755
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>the spot where the stuck energy is held as in

756
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.599
<v Speaker 2>the prostate, right, So it involves an internal part of

757
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the massage, and that actually massaging the prostate corrects a

758
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of the erectil problems that men have.

759
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>So now you are doing this right now, Like, I

760
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know how I feel about that's all right, I.

761
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Know I know men and it's the same as with women.

762
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Like some men don't experience much pleasure when they first

763
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>start having prostate massage, but over time they certainly can.

764
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And I know men that can have orgasms from prostate massage,

765
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>but usually it's men who've had a lot of prostate massage.

766
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>So all that stuck energy is gone and there's nothing

767
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>left but pleasure. Yeah, they're able to release it.

768
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what do you think in your journey that

769
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 1>you have learned the most, Like, what are some of

770
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 1>the really key parts for you?

771
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I would say it's you know this phrase came to me.

772
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was divinely guided. You know that God

773
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>or Goddess is pro sex. That's one really big book, right,

774
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Like Goddess does not think sex is bad or evil.

775
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>She thinks it's wonderful. And in fact, I have this

776
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>friend who does some channeling, and years ago we all

777
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.280
<v Speaker 2>used to get together. We'd have this meditation group in

778
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>my office and Sunday mornings, and afterwards she would channel

779
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and very often we'd start talking about sex because that's

780
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 2>my thing. And through the channeling, the message was your

781
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>sexuality is your spiritual They're one and the same, right,

782
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 2>which is such the opposite message. So that's one really

783
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>huge one. Also, we're all so much more awesome and

784
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>amazing than we think we are. And yeah, sex is

785
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.280
<v Speaker 2>not over at forty fifty, sixty, seventy or eighty or

786
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:24.199
<v Speaker 2>even ninety, like it doesn't have to be. And I

787
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 2>think that another big one is if you decide, if

788
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 2>you make the decision to say, well, you know, I'm

789
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 2>not really having sex, I'm not having good sex. But

790
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna forget about that, Like you're cutting out

791
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a huge part of the joy that's available to a

792
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>human being in their life as a human living on

793
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>this planet. Like that's one of the best things there is.

794
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 2>And if you start thinking, I'll just let it go,

795
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 2>there's something off about your thinking.

796
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I know we can't get into it

797
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>too much today because as we urin in But you know,

798
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>one thing that strikes me in today's world is that

799
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 1>we're approaching a time where asexuality is a very popular notion.

800
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard way too many people say, you know,

801
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>sex isn't important. Even when I was growing up. Oh

802
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, I always knew. I always entered these relationships

803
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.960
<v Speaker 1>when I was young that it was like sex isn't important,

804
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was so important to me.

805
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I guess not, But am I

806
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.639
<v Speaker 2>missing That's funny?

807
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Today I'm like, I'm like, no, we can be friends, right,

808
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Like if sex is not important too, we can be friends.

809
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 1>We'd be great friends. But that's right, because it is

810
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>so much life for us. But as we enter as

811
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>we are in this age right now, I think it's

812
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 1>so sad that and I don't know what's going on

813
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 1>this this like there's a trend of a sexuality and

814
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't I truly don't know if it's you know,

815
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 1>something in the water food, or or that we've so

816
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 1>sexually shamed our children or you know that I mean

817
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>just at such a core, deep level that our children

818
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>are growing up, or that there's so much fear in

819
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the world, the way the state of the world that

820
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 1>is literally cutting a new generation off from its life force,

821
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>which I'm like, we're breeding ourselves right out of existence,

822
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>or like I'm breeding ourselves right out of existence.

823
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now I've heard that too, that I've heard this

824
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>many times. I'm guessing it is really true. Yeah, there's

825
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a trend for that young people are having less sex

826
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>right than the.

827
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Ray right, Yeah, we have another woodstock.

828
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Like all we wanted to do was have sex as

829
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>much as possible.

830
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and now it's like it's almost like, ugh, are

831
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 1>you having sex again? To the parents. I don't know,

832
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm imagining, all right. I want to make

833
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>sure I get these questions in and that okay, that

834
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows how to find you, and you're offering so

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<v Speaker 1>question one, what is one truth? Your body has always

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<v Speaker 1>known that your mind took years to.

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<v Speaker 2>Catch up to. Oh my goodness. I think the truth

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<v Speaker 2>is that my body always knows, so the body doesn't lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes things would happen and my body would know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would try to convince myself otherwise, But no, the

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<v Speaker 2>body does always know. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the most intimate moment you've ever had that

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with sex?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Wow, that's I would guess. It is

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<v Speaker 2>probably staring into the eyes of another person, like really

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<v Speaker 2>being present with my hat. Oh beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's scary, right, It's like just sitting there and breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I don't know why I'm so scared right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I think it's like an instinctual thing. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. If you could be remembered for one sensation

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<v Speaker 1>you gave someone, what would it be.

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<v Speaker 2>For them to feel the physical penetration of my love

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<v Speaker 2>for them? Thank you? Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>If leisure were a language, what would your first word be?

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<v Speaker 2>You be?

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<v Speaker 1>And if your erotic life had a title like a

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<v Speaker 1>novel or a film, what would it be called? She

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<v Speaker 1>kept going and it got better and better. What is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you've never said out loud. But you wish

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<v Speaker 1>someone would ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>About Oh, my goodness, I don't think there's a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm so transparent that I've already told everyone prevede beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good. It means nothing has been left unsaid. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>What part of your erotic self are you still afraid?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure freight would be the right word for

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<v Speaker 1>you to bring to the light. Let's see, are you

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<v Speaker 1>still inspired to bring to the light?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Probably some of my darker tendencies, like my sadistic

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<v Speaker 2>ones that you know, part of my brain is like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that. That would be evil and bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh so good, Yes, to throw that in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me?

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<v Speaker 1>What dies in you when you pretend? And what comes

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<v Speaker 1>alive in you when you don't?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Like, my literal life force energy dies like who

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<v Speaker 2>I am at? You know, in my essence dies when

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<v Speaker 2>I pretend and my essence comes forth, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>real exuberant life force energy comes forth when I'm real.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now finish this sentence. When I leave this life, I

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<v Speaker 1>want my skin to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>All the pleasure it has experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, please, And if the soul has a scent.

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<v Speaker 1>What does yours smell like today?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say rose beautiful, Thank you, thank You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna yeah, that was so much fun. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I want to just ask you if there's

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you want to leave our audience with our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>any pearls of wisdom and any offerings that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely so. I mentioned the the self study course

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<v Speaker 2>for women, right, which is called the Lost Art, And

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<v Speaker 2>I call it that because Contra to me, is like

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<v Speaker 2>it's been lost to our world. People don't even understand

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<v Speaker 2>what it is really. They think it's all sexual and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really not. And I also understand that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>big jump, right and scary for women to just be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to sign up, and you know, take Maria's course.

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<v Speaker 2>It's eight modules, it all been professionally filmed. Right, You've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the class because I have. Yeah, that's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's and it's beautifully done and so clear and instruction.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for anyone who's just just who hasn't gone there,

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<v Speaker 1>I just really needs this clear map and guide. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfectly and beautifully done.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. So what I realized is that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of women are not ready to just jump there, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I've made something that's like a baby step, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what mostly we all need right when we're scared

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<v Speaker 2>to do something, is a baby step. And the baby

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<v Speaker 2>step is a five minute Yoni awakening ritual for those

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<v Speaker 2>of us who have felt disconnected from our own yonies,

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<v Speaker 2>which can certainly happen later in life, but really it

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<v Speaker 2>could be for anybody. So it's a PDF that's like

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<v Speaker 2>educational and then it's a five minute video which is

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<v Speaker 2>really like a meditation, and it gives an opportunity for

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<v Speaker 2>the woman to with their own consent, to touch their

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<v Speaker 2>body in pleasurable ways and to touch theironi in pleasurable ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And almost nobody can say they don't have enough time

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<v Speaker 2>for doing a five minute practice. So if you do

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<v Speaker 2>want to find that, it's my website Maria Mrloni m

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<v Speaker 2>A r I A M E r l O n

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<v Speaker 2>I dot com slash ritual and it'll bring you write

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<v Speaker 2>your page where you can sign up to have that

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<v Speaker 2>sent to you, and it's my gift to you. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no charge for it, and I hope that it will

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<v Speaker 2>re spark something in you because it really is worth it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say to anyone who's like willing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even just have the desire, even the little desire to

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<v Speaker 1>go full fledged like all in. It's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the scariest part is saying yes to yourself and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you realize like, oh, this isn't scary, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something my body has been calling for. There's no like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's there to nourish you, and you

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<v Speaker 1>do it in such a safe and educated and very

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<v Speaker 1>easy going easier right, It's just easy way, easy being.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, I just highly recommend.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>This was amazing, Yeah, absolute pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>And for is there anything else you want to say

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<v Speaker 1>before we go?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've kind of probably said it all for

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<v Speaker 2>the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, I'm just going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say goodbye to everyone. See you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining us for this conversation with Maria,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, see you next week, joh. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Skin and Soul with me, Gwenham. Join me

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<v Speaker 1>Fridays at ten ampst on Transformation Talk Radio. Catch the

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