Speaker 1: Welcome to Skin and Soul. I'm Gwenemkarsley, a transformational body,
Speaker 1: sex and Soul coach, and I'm inviting you on a bold,
Speaker 1: unfiltered journey into the heart of our humanity through the
Speaker 1: lens of arrows. This is where we strip away the shame,
Speaker 1: dive into the unspoken, and embrace the wild, raw truth
Speaker 1: of our desires.
Speaker 2: Together we'll crack.
Speaker 1: Open the taboo and cover our deepest intimacies and.
Speaker 2: Awaken the pulse of our sexual essence.
Speaker 1: Because real transformation it's messy, it's thrilling, and it's.
Speaker 2: Oh so delicious.
Speaker 1: Buckle up, loves, Skin and Soul. Beyond the Pale starts
Speaker 1: in three two one. Let's go hi there and welcome.
Speaker 1: I'm Gwenhem I'm your host of Skin and Soul Beyond
Speaker 1: the Pale, where we get to talk about what it
Speaker 1: means to be profoundly human through the lens of arrows,
Speaker 1: which yes, means yummy's sexuality and euphoria and bliss and
Speaker 1: all the yummy stuff as well as the ikey and
Speaker 1: the guck, like the shame, the fear and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: That comes with it.
Speaker 1: And I am in conversation today with Maria Marloney, who
Speaker 1: is a sex and relationship coach, sacred sexuality educator, and
Speaker 1: author of The Naked Truth How becoming a stripper saved
Speaker 1: my life, which I loved.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about it.
Speaker 1: I love it because it's in I want to say,
Speaker 1: it's done in such natural language.
Speaker 2: It's your voice.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm sitting in the living room with you. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, welcome for being here.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much. I'm very excited to be here.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be talking about a lot of yummy
Speaker 1: stuff today, everything from women's Yoni massages to the life
Speaker 1: of stripping and coming out and finding your authentic life purpose.
Speaker 1: And I just want people to get a little bit
Speaker 1: of background about how you got to where you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's see. So first, it was a therapist, right,
Speaker 2: I've been a therapist now for over thirty years, if
Speaker 2: you can believe. And I wanted to become a life coach.
Speaker 2: So I signed up for the program, which was in
Speaker 2: California while I was living in Massachusetts, where I still live,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know how I was going to pay
Speaker 2: for it, right, I knew I wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: I knew it was my next step, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll figure out the details later. So I was telling
Speaker 2: I had this. My daughter at the time was like
Speaker 2: five or six years old, and she was on a playdate,
Speaker 2: and so I was talking to the other little girl's
Speaker 2: mother and I said, yeah, I signed up for this
Speaker 2: life coaching, you know, school, I don't know how I'm
Speaker 2: going to pay for it. And she said, oh. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize she was an exotic dancer, and she said, oh,
Speaker 2: why don't you just try dancing. It's really easy and
Speaker 2: you'll make a lot of money. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: why don't I just do that? Most women and at
Speaker 2: the time, I was thirty seven, right, which is pretty
Speaker 2: old really to be yesterber. Most women would not just say, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do that. But I'm an unusual person and
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable showing my body. So I did it, and
Speaker 2: I realized that number one. I totally loved it. I
Speaker 2: had a blast right away. I could definitely pay for
Speaker 2: school that way. And then it started to dawn on
Speaker 2: me like I wasn't just going to become this sort
Speaker 2: of like generic life coach. I was going to be
Speaker 2: a coach that specialized in sex and relationships, because that's
Speaker 2: always been my thing. You know, since I was a teenager,
Speaker 2: people have been asking me questions about sex, so somehow
Speaker 2: like they knew that I was the person to ask.
Speaker 2: So I realized that, yes, that was going to be
Speaker 2: my specialty. And there at the strip club. It's hard
Speaker 2: to understand this really, I think for some people, but
Speaker 2: I was actually doing sacred work with the customers at
Speaker 2: the club. We can talk about that more if we want.
Speaker 2: And so I started to realize that in my past lives,
Speaker 2: I was a priestess, so I was doing tontric work
Speaker 2: with people. And then I started teaching these workshops on
Speaker 2: how to do sacred spot massage, which is something that
Speaker 2: you've already mentioned we're going to be talking about. And
Speaker 2: then when I turned fifty eight, I said, you know,
Speaker 2: this Tontraus stuff is really so much more of my
Speaker 2: life purpose than being a you know, I'm a good therabiz,
Speaker 2: I'm a good coach, but I know that that's really
Speaker 2: why I'm here is to start to spread the word
Speaker 2: more about tntra And so I said, well, I'm either
Speaker 2: gonna do it or I'm not going to And I said, yes,
Speaker 2: so here we are. I love it.
Speaker 1: And because when we were first talking, you were also
Speaker 1: talking about being so comfortable in your body, and I
Speaker 1: remember having, you.
Speaker 2: Know that similar.
Speaker 1: I had grown up also in a household where my
Speaker 1: mother was really comfortable with her body, but not comfortable sexually.
Speaker 2: So and.
Speaker 1: And they're totally different things, right, So walking my mother
Speaker 1: walking around and opening the door half naked was never
Speaker 1: an issue. You know, I'd be totally doing this as
Speaker 1: she was there with her you know, little t shirt
Speaker 1: and undors, the elevator door opened and people and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I want to die now,
Speaker 1: right twelve years old of course, but sexually she wasn't comfortable,
Speaker 1: and so I was like you a very sexual being
Speaker 1: at a very young age without any languaging around it
Speaker 1: and no positive support around you know, coming out sexually.
Speaker 1: So like for me, this I was just I think
Speaker 1: rampant probably when I was young, not understanding what this
Speaker 1: body is and having so many exquisite experiences and then
Speaker 1: taking the time to become more conscious about it. And
Speaker 1: I want to bring in the piece around like the
Speaker 1: you know, stripping and so on, and the connotations that
Speaker 1: people in the labels that people just throw onto what
Speaker 1: it means to be a stripper, right, like and how
Speaker 1: it's offen slashed, so take the floor.
Speaker 2: Okay, So yes, I mean you might a lot of
Speaker 2: people out there listening might know that the stereotypes are right,
Speaker 2: you are you've got to be a single mother, which
Speaker 2: I was actually, but also you must be a drug
Speaker 2: addict if you're you know, being a stripper and promiscuous,
Speaker 2: that for sure, and desperate, right, I wasn't desperate. I
Speaker 2: wasn't really any of those things except for a single mother.
Speaker 2: And so I also met other professionals like me who
Speaker 2: were there for similar reasons. I used to work with
Speaker 2: a nurse that did some dancing at night. Right, there's
Speaker 2: so much stigma, so much shame. I even heard through
Speaker 2: the grape vine at one point that people that you know,
Speaker 2: I went to school with whever, like, oh you know,
Speaker 2: did you hear about that, Maria Marloney, you became a stripper, Like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: such a waste, you know, No, actually, you have no
Speaker 2: idea how much power I had as a dancer.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much empowerment, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: dare I say every woman should try stripping at least once,
Speaker 1: whether even if it's in her living room with her
Speaker 1: guy or for herself around friends, just as a liberation,
Speaker 1: or learned sensual dance just to get into the body
Speaker 1: a little bit more, to feel comfortable in her own sexuality.
Speaker 2: Who absolutely, And I know that that's a thing that typically,
Speaker 2: you know, if someone is a woman, they have a
Speaker 2: male partner, if they're heterosexual, the man. We really enjoy that,
Speaker 2: and some men will mention it. And I've heard many
Speaker 2: times from women like, oh my gosh, I can't even
Speaker 2: imagine myself doing that, you know. And so as I
Speaker 2: was getting ready to try my hand at dancing, I
Speaker 2: went to one of those like amateur nights.
Speaker 1: Right, So I just they just let me get up.
Speaker 2: On the stage. And friends that I was telling that
Speaker 2: I was about to do this were saying, well, have
Speaker 2: you practiced, And I said, no, practiced. If I practiced,
Speaker 2: I'll get nervous. But so I just went up and
Speaker 2: did it. And what I learned in that is that
Speaker 2: I already knew how to be sexy. I already knew
Speaker 2: how to move my body in a way that was natural,
Speaker 2: that would be sexy. And so I think that's a
Speaker 2: really key point for women that are listening out there
Speaker 2: is like, you know, the truth is like if I
Speaker 2: go out on the dance alort, I'm not even a
Speaker 2: good dancer. But you don't have to be a good
Speaker 2: dancer to like do a strip tease.
Speaker 1: Even just being in your's it's being in your body,
Speaker 1: being constable. It is your body first and foremost, because
Speaker 1: it's true, I've seen women and meant for that matter,
Speaker 1: but just you know, very very slowly not even really
Speaker 1: be doing much right, but you can just feel the
Speaker 1: whole embodiment of their energy as they move, and that's
Speaker 1: so powerful. And that's and that to me is that
Speaker 1: if you cannot do that, then the.
Speaker 2: Question becomes why.
Speaker 1: It's like what is going on for you that you
Speaker 1: know you're not able to really fully express yourself? Which
Speaker 1: you had this question in or this line in your
Speaker 1: in your book, and it says what is wrong with
Speaker 1: being sexual? And I love that because what is wrong
Speaker 1: with being sexual?
Speaker 2: You know, it's we've been told so many things about it, right,
Speaker 2: especially as women. So there's totally different rules for males
Speaker 2: or females. But if you're a female and you're sexual,
Speaker 2: then the stereotypes are well, then you're you're over sexed, right,
Speaker 2: people is to use that word promiscuous, right, Like, so
Speaker 2: if a woman has a lot of partners, it's called promiscuous,
Speaker 2: but if a man does, it's like cheered on and
Speaker 2: told like, oh, they have a lot of experience, isn't
Speaker 2: that great? Right, So there's that that double standard. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so much shame, like and then you know, if we
Speaker 2: start to get into religion, basically we're gonna die and
Speaker 2: go to hell. That's what's wrong, you know, right, And that's.
Speaker 1: Such an extreme and I do feel like it lives
Speaker 1: in our bodies somewhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was never brought up religious.
Speaker 1: My father's Jewish, my mother was Protestant, and I didn't
Speaker 1: grow up with religion, although my grandmother took me to
Speaker 1: church a couple of times, and I remember the feeling
Speaker 1: of like, you know, those words, those wrathful words of
Speaker 1: you're going to hell and these are the these are
Speaker 1: the reasons you're as like.
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure around sex, but I did feel, I know,
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of shame around the out
Speaker 1: of sexuality that I felt even as a young girl
Speaker 1: and then growing up and then even in my marriage.
Speaker 1: I remember I was like super sexual, super sensual, and
Speaker 1: feeling like, oh, I need to dumb this down, I
Speaker 1: need to mute this energy. This is not welcome even
Speaker 1: in relationship, and that I think hits a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It hits both men on their side really hard, and
Speaker 1: it hits women as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean there is. And that's one of
Speaker 2: the things that I was dealing with when I say
Speaker 2: I was doing sacred work. At the strip club, men
Speaker 2: would shame themselves by, for example, saying like when they
Speaker 2: would sit down at the stage to come up to
Speaker 2: see a dancer, they call that pervert room. So you know, oh,
Speaker 2: he obviously must be a pervert if he's heterosexual and
Speaker 2: he's interested in seeing a woman with her clothes off,
Speaker 2: Like there couldn't be anything more normal.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, And you even bring up, you know, and
Speaker 1: you even bring up that it's it's an alternative to cheating, right,
Speaker 1: that it's you know that it's an outlet for and
Speaker 1: I know various men that you know are in long
Speaker 1: term relationships that have no desire to cheat on their
Speaker 1: on their partners and are very sexually repressed.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I actually had a customer who was there at
Speaker 2: the strip club. He was in a very happy marriage.
Speaker 2: His wife was extremely ill. I don't think, he said,
Speaker 2: but I feel like she probably had cancer and she
Speaker 2: wasn't able to be sexual with him for a period
Speaker 2: of time. So he started coming into the strip club
Speaker 2: and so he was getting some of his erotic needs
Speaker 2: met through doing that. And we had you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: he was he was a lovely gentleman. We had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. It was purely just fun. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like we were doing anything close to having sex. And like,
Speaker 2: that's a great alternative that he figured out for himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think we underestimate how powerful and how
Speaker 1: important sexual energy is in our life, and especially when
Speaker 1: we're going through things that are very difficult, you know,
Speaker 1: around death or just or death if I say death, illness, separation,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that's going on, and how deeply that
Speaker 1: impacts self worth, the need to be touched, the need
Speaker 1: to seen, like and just very physical needs and desires.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this guy, you know, instead of burdening his
Speaker 2: wife was saying like, hey, I know you're you know,
Speaker 2: probably going through cancer treatments right now. Could you just
Speaker 2: you know, give me a hand job? You know, like
Speaker 2: that'd be so inappropriate, right, But so instead of burdening
Speaker 2: her with his needs, he got them taking care of
Speaker 2: in other ways. And yes, it was probably a good
Speaker 2: outlet for him so that he could deal with some
Speaker 2: of the emotions coming up around his wife's owns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we think it's one or the other, that
Speaker 1: it's exclusive. Oh, this person's going through an illness, I
Speaker 1: must be there for them ten thousand percent in a
Speaker 1: way that excludes my own needs and my own desires.
Speaker 1: And the truth is is that they're not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1: They're happening all at the same time. It's a very
Speaker 1: you know, full, confusing, overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Experience I imagine for most people.
Speaker 1: And right, it's it's how do you deal with one
Speaker 1: and the other? And I think there's there's something really
Speaker 1: beautiful about being able to go and express or be
Speaker 1: feel witnessed and seen. And like you said, is it
Speaker 1: bad to go and look at Like, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: going and seeing a bunch of beautiful naked women?
Speaker 2: Right? Exactly, absolutely nothing. And you know a lot of
Speaker 2: the guys there that was an unusual situation. But the
Speaker 2: majority of the guys there were either single or they
Speaker 2: were partnered, but they weren't getting their needs met at home.
Speaker 2: We know that sadly, there are so many women that
Speaker 2: have issues with their own sexual expression, that lose interest
Speaker 2: in sex for various reasons, right for their because their
Speaker 2: own trauma, because the relationship's not going well. There could
Speaker 2: be many reasons. But there's so many guys out there
Speaker 2: who are so lonely and in need to get some
Speaker 2: of these needs met. Just to even sit and have
Speaker 2: a real conversation face to face with a woman where
Speaker 2: I am I was just like totally focusing on them
Speaker 2: for a period of time, let alone the lap dance
Speaker 2: like that was a gift. And again, yes, what is
Speaker 2: wrong with the fact that these guys did that to
Speaker 2: get some of their own It's meant because it's not
Speaker 2: their fault that their wife's not interested in having sex
Speaker 2: with them, but it's still the responsibility to take care
Speaker 2: of themselves.
Speaker 1: Agreed. And a couple of things come up for me,
Speaker 1: which is one because you do bring in transparency right
Speaker 1: like at what you know because you're you've been very
Speaker 1: transparent about your life to everyone in your life and
Speaker 1: which you know you hold yourself to the utmost integrity,
Speaker 1: which I love, and then you have people coming in
Speaker 1: who who can't. And so I want to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about like the difference between transparency and privacy
Speaker 1: or discernment, because I think they're you know, and they're
Speaker 1: fine lines. Right, there's a difference between lying, right, there's lying,
Speaker 1: there's just like fighting, well, and do we want to
Speaker 1: say lying, let's just say hiding, and then there is
Speaker 1: transparency and discernment, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean for these customers that were coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both for the customers and for you personally, Like
Speaker 1: how do you how do you define them for yourself?
Speaker 1: Because I know for me, the way I was brought up,
Speaker 1: I was not allowed to lie, right, I was not allowed,
Speaker 1: and so I was in I became an oversharer because
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to keep anything for myself. And yet
Speaker 1: I was still shamed for telling my truth. But I
Speaker 1: think my truth came out more out of obligation rather
Speaker 1: than from a sense of my own integrity when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and today I'm actually working on discernment, which means.
Speaker 2: Transparency, like to be open and honest.
Speaker 1: Yet you know, I don't owe everybody everything, right as
Speaker 1: long as I Yeah.
Speaker 2: I tend to think about it in terms of, you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm thinking of being transparent with somebody about something
Speaker 2: you know, personal to me, what is my reason for
Speaker 2: wanting to do that, and you know what might come
Speaker 2: of it? So, for example, I didn't tell the whole
Speaker 2: world that I was an exotic dancer. Thought wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been necessarily a wise thing to do, but in some
Speaker 2: cases it also wouldn't be a kind thing to do.
Speaker 2: For example, I didn't tell my elderly Italian father thought
Speaker 2: I was a stripper, right because that had no bearing
Speaker 2: on our relationship at all, And I imagined that he
Speaker 2: probably would have felt, you know, sad or worried about
Speaker 2: me or disappointed or so, you know, those kind of feelings,
Speaker 2: and like what would be the point of that? Right?
Speaker 2: So I think this this kind of stuff is extremely situational.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you but you did tell your husband, your
Speaker 1: ex husband, sorry, your ext I did you did? You
Speaker 1: came clean after around an affair, You came clean around
Speaker 1: what you're doing, which and just which took a lot
Speaker 1: of courage, you know, to be able to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can hold space now for your feelings and your age.
Speaker 1: You say it beautifully, just simply like, oh God, I
Speaker 1: can hold this. It's not pleasant that I can hold Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the thing that I had been scared of,
Speaker 2: you know, basically since I met my ex husband, is
Speaker 2: that you'd be really really mad at me. And he
Speaker 2: was really really mad at me. And I think that
Speaker 2: was empowering for me because I realized, like I didn't
Speaker 2: actually disintegrate, nothing terrible happened when he was really really mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that he could have his his emotion, he can
Speaker 1: have his experience, and the fear, as say, challenging or
Speaker 1: difficult as it is to hear it from someone else
Speaker 1: or to be in that same space, is also more
Speaker 1: than survivable. But by that time, let me see, you
Speaker 1: probably did enough inner work to be able to hold
Speaker 1: that inside yourself because you didn't make it about all
Speaker 1: about you, like it didn't become about yourself worth, your
Speaker 1: self esteem.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Yeah. I mean I've had to
Speaker 2: do a lot of work to get where I am now.
Speaker 2: You know, some people look at me and they say, wow,
Speaker 2: you have such a great life, and I say, thank you,
Speaker 2: I know I do. And do you have any idea
Speaker 2: how many hours of therapy I've done it to get
Speaker 2: where I am now like just even to be as
Speaker 2: normal as I am, which you know none of us
Speaker 2: is completely normal, but you have no idea. And the
Speaker 2: same thing for my current husband, he went through so
Speaker 2: much therapy and we're so both so grateful that we
Speaker 2: did all that because now we can be in this
Speaker 2: healthy relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine that calling in? Did you call in your
Speaker 1: husband your current for sure?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I went to When I went to life
Speaker 2: coaching school, it was with Gay and Kathlyn Hendrix out
Speaker 2: in California, and they, you know, they're known, especially Gay
Speaker 2: for you know, helping with manifestation. So I took this
Speaker 2: is like you know, two or three D course of
Speaker 2: how to call in your partner. And so I wrote
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper that I stuck upon the
Speaker 2: refrigerator exactly what I was looking for, which is somebody
Speaker 2: that meets me physically right, sexually, emotionally and spiritually. And
Speaker 2: that's what I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know again coming back to
Speaker 1: the to the sexual energy piece and clearing out a
Speaker 1: lot of things that most people don't get because not
Speaker 1: everybody gets to the sacred sexuality piece or the TNTRA piece.
Speaker 1: I think contra takes it to a level that many
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily go down that path. But having recognition,
Speaker 1: the recognition that sex is divine, that there is a
Speaker 1: sacredness to it, whether you are stripping, whether you're you're
Speaker 1: whether you're the you are the stripper or the person
Speaker 1: watching the stripping, or the showing up. I'm say with
Speaker 1: laingerie under their coach right as a man, however, somebody
Speaker 1: shows up that it's sacred because it's being expressed, and
Speaker 1: yet we do so much taboo around it, so much
Speaker 1: shaming still, And I just love your openness, right because
Speaker 1: you're so open around like, anything goes as long as
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's not harming anyone, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You're in p Yeah, anything consensual between two adults is
Speaker 2: okay by me. I had a client last week who
Speaker 2: has a foot fetish, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: thank you for not shaming me about it because I
Speaker 2: had a partner and she was like, oh, that's disgusting,
Speaker 2: you know, And and he had shame about it, and
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, like I like, guys, you have
Speaker 2: foot fetishes. I think it's awesome, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. You know, and I
Speaker 2: think that that was healing for him because he had
Speaker 2: had I mean, that's just it's not so uncommon that
Speaker 2: guys have foot fetishes, and you know, and he had
Speaker 2: a little wound there and so you know, these are
Speaker 2: the kinds of this is the kind of healing that
Speaker 2: people can get when they go to a professional like
Speaker 2: you or me or you know. There's so there's more
Speaker 2: of us out there now because it is becoming a
Speaker 2: bigger topic, which is so wonderful. Yeah, it's so needed.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, we say we never yuck somebody's
Speaker 1: yum exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1: Which I love that statement. And I'm like, because it's
Speaker 1: funny because I'm the opposite of the foot fetish unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like I've met and it comes from a real place,
Speaker 1: like my feet used to just be you know, I
Speaker 1: danced and they were horrible creatures, my feet, right, So
Speaker 1: my shame was around, please don't look at my feet,
Speaker 1: Please don't touch my feet.
Speaker 2: They feel horrendous, like.
Speaker 1: They're just so so it's understanding I think when couples
Speaker 1: come in or not just couples, when we're looking at
Speaker 1: another human, actually to always approach someone with like real consideration,
Speaker 1: even even if this is not your life partner, just
Speaker 1: real consideration around their bodies and what they might be carrying.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yes. And you know a lot of people will
Speaker 2: say like, oh, women have so many hang ups about
Speaker 2: their bodies, and it's true. And I happen to also, no,
Speaker 2: because I've worked with plenty of men that men do too, right,
Speaker 2: it's not just the women who have this body shame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're right now, we're in the you know,
Speaker 1: brush everything off and you know, blur everything, and everything
Speaker 1: has to be perfect. And you say, like you made
Speaker 1: a conscious choice not to not to go into hyper
Speaker 1: correction of everything that you showed up on the stage
Speaker 1: as a natural body and looked around the room and said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no such thing as ugly. Nobody has
Speaker 1: like a completely ugly body, right, nobody has a perfectly
Speaker 1: beautiful body.
Speaker 2: That it's the combination. Absolutely yes. I think it's a
Speaker 2: lot to do with like the light that shines from
Speaker 2: within each one of us and how much we allow
Speaker 2: that to show. I can tell you that I've seen
Speaker 2: hundreds of women naked. I danced for eight years. I
Speaker 2: didn't just stop after life coaching school, I used it
Speaker 2: as a way to then open my private practice and
Speaker 2: stop working for agencies. So you know, I did this
Speaker 2: for years. I say, so many bodies. There is definitely
Speaker 2: no such thing as a perfect body. And you know
Speaker 2: there's nineteen year old women with sagging, small breasts. There's
Speaker 2: just everything you can possibly imagine. And yet you know
Speaker 2: I don't have perfect body either. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: I got so many compliments on so many different parts
Speaker 2: of my bodies, including things that I never would have
Speaker 2: even thought about, like my ear lobes, that I say,
Speaker 2: you know, it just really we're all good, We're all okay.
Speaker 2: We don't have to have some kind of classically beauty,
Speaker 2: classically beautiful body in order to be attractive to others.
Speaker 2: And all we really have to do is what I
Speaker 2: did at the club. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: the dancers didn't like me because I came in, I
Speaker 2: was older, and I almost always made more money than everybody.
Speaker 2: But my secret was I just was being myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just showed up authentically as opposed to eating
Speaker 1: to cover it up with. And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say like fake breasts are bad, like it's whatever anybody
Speaker 1: uses it's not the point. It's that it's when we
Speaker 1: get into a space that we are constantly fixing ourselves
Speaker 1: on the outside as some kind of band aid for
Speaker 1: the inside. And I'm not opposed to any kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, nip and tuck, whatever you like. That's fine
Speaker 1: as long as it's coming from place of loving yourself
Speaker 1: and knowing who you are fundamentally and not thinking that,
Speaker 1: oh if I get that tummy talk now, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be loved.
Speaker 2: When I get that.
Speaker 1: You know, chin done now, I'm going to be beautiful
Speaker 1: and accepted as a you know, coming in as full body.
Speaker 1: And I just I love that you kept everything like
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, I just honor the natural of me, of.
Speaker 2: Who I am. Yeah. Yeah, And people love authenticity, like
Speaker 2: we never really have to do anything different than just
Speaker 2: be who we are, right Like I'm here, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have some makeup on because you know, I'm on cameras.
Speaker 2: It's gonna look better. But I know that I'm beautiful
Speaker 2: whether I have makeup on or not. And I've seen women,
Speaker 2: I know, I know some women that honestly I think
Speaker 2: look much more beautiful without their makeup. I agree.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're like, oh, I like you better without.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like all we really how to do
Speaker 2: is be ourselves, and they think that we can't very
Speaker 2: often see ourselves through the eyes of others, because of
Speaker 2: course we're who we are, right, so we're looking at
Speaker 2: ourselves many times. So critically, they think that if most people,
Speaker 2: men and women could really see themselves more objectively, it
Speaker 2: would probably be able to see how attractive they really are.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to bring in the men because,
Speaker 1: as you said, we take for granted, you know, messaging
Speaker 1: around women's bodies has been so out there and it
Speaker 1: continues to be. Right now we're dealing with avatars.
Speaker 2: And I hate all that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was one thing and when things were
Speaker 1: airbrushed and you know, lenses, I just remember when cameras
Speaker 1: still wise.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I remember when, but.
Speaker 1: Cameras definitely didn't show all of your pores, and cameras
Speaker 1: definitely weren't.
Speaker 2: Like zooming in on everything.
Speaker 1: There were. I mean, I think there was even a
Speaker 1: time when they put vaciline on the lens, you know,
Speaker 1: for the Hollywood Yeah right, that very dreamy look to wow,
Speaker 1: you know, and we've gotten into hyperrealism, and it's really
Speaker 1: damaging to women and and men. And I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about men because I think men
Speaker 1: often also get the short end of like, oh, men
Speaker 1: want women to be this, but we forget that men
Speaker 1: also have insecurities they do that.
Speaker 2: We don't talk about. Yeah, they have insecurities about their bodies,
Speaker 2: about their weight, sometimes about their stretch marks. Also, this
Speaker 2: is not uncommon. I've had a number of men and
Speaker 2: you might have encountered this too, who tell me that
Speaker 2: they have so much insecurity about the size of their penis.
Speaker 2: And some of these men do not have small penises
Speaker 2: compared to like, you know, the average sized penis, which
Speaker 2: is five point five inches. Some of these men have
Speaker 2: direct penises that are bigger than that. But because they're
Speaker 2: so used to watching porn, they think that they have
Speaker 2: a small penis. Yeah, because it's so distorted in what
Speaker 2: perfection is.
Speaker 1: And so I'm going to call him now a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, but he wasn't what I met him, because
Speaker 1: he's the one who did the Great Wall of Volva
Speaker 1: uh and and so, and he's done the Great Spice
Speaker 1: of Life and so on, the Great Spice of Life.
Speaker 1: He had all you know, he had both women, women's breasts,
Speaker 1: women's vlvas and penises and just the variety, and I
Speaker 1: think there's it's so it was so eye opening for
Speaker 1: me to see the library because I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: and I come back to this, I've said it before,
Speaker 1: where I just thought there was something like so abnormal
Speaker 1: about the way I was shaped or the way I
Speaker 1: am and just trying to correct and trying to be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what is the perfect baba looking like
Speaker 1: CORIONI that it's got this perfect Barbie kind of thing,
Speaker 1: those dimensions that actually make you fall to the floor.
Speaker 1: Nobody's actually built that way and can and not have
Speaker 1: back pain severely. Yeah, But also for ment to realize
Speaker 1: like the variance of sizes, of shapes, of color of
Speaker 1: like I mean everything mm hmm, and that it's all magical.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, it's all normal, it's all magical, it's all okay,
Speaker 2: it's all lovable. Yeah, And that is so not the
Speaker 2: message that we've been given about our own bodies and
Speaker 2: our own genitals. So yeah, I'm glad you said the
Speaker 2: word yoni. A lot of people, you know, in the
Speaker 2: general public don't know what that means. So yes, it does.
Speaker 2: You know you were using the word volva. That's also
Speaker 2: really good because there's been this misconsumption that a volva,
Speaker 2: which is the exterior part of a female genitals, is
Speaker 2: of avagina. Well, no, that's not a vagina. That's evolva, right,
Speaker 2: it's the outer lips, the inner lips, the clitteras the
Speaker 2: clitteral hood, that's evolva. Then the inner part of a
Speaker 2: woman's sex organs is the vagina, and then there's the womb.
Speaker 2: In all three of those together is what is a yoni.
Speaker 2: And yoni means sacred space in Sanskrit, so that's a
Speaker 2: ton tric term. People don't know it. And I love
Speaker 2: using the word because I think it gets rid of
Speaker 2: all the shame about those other words, right that they're
Speaker 2: so stigmatizing, and people are so embarrassed and to say them,
Speaker 2: and they're so weighted.
Speaker 1: But I love it there way, And I know so many,
Speaker 1: you know, having done Laila Martin's and like just seeing
Speaker 1: you know, the word pussy used with with such excuberance,
Speaker 1: which I still love, like and sometimes I use it
Speaker 1: sometimes like oh yeah, pussy sounds delicious, and then other times,
Speaker 1: like for.
Speaker 2: Me, I do like I do like Yoni.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a really all encompassing it feels sacred,
Speaker 1: feel beautiful. I don't know if I use lingam as much.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still I still play with like, oh,
Speaker 1: what words feel good? But I like to just ask
Speaker 1: someone else. But from there, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: Yoni massage. And because the power of Yoni massage, yes, let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about it. So so for decades I've been teaching workshops,
Speaker 2: teaching couples. Usually sometimes I would get a throuble who'd
Speaker 2: come to, like three people in a relationship together and
Speaker 2: teaching either Yoni massage, which is you know, done on
Speaker 2: someone with a female body, or linga massage, which is
Speaker 2: done on some with a male body. Right, Linga means
Speaker 2: ones of light in Sanskrit. To me, that's so much
Speaker 2: more beautiful than cock or you know, all these other words.
Speaker 2: But I use them all and people think that they're
Speaker 2: gonna come and they're going to learn this hot new
Speaker 2: technique that's going to really spice up their sex life.
Speaker 2: And I don't tell them ahead of time that you know,
Speaker 2: it's really a healing modality, it's really a spiritual practice.
Speaker 2: Because they're going to sign up thinking it's this wonderful thing,
Speaker 2: and it does lead to a lot more intimacy, and
Speaker 2: it certainly can lead to a lot better sex. But
Speaker 2: what it really is is it's a massaging of the
Speaker 2: exterior and interior genitals. People have stuck energy in their bodies.
Speaker 2: Everybody has it, right. It could be from it could
Speaker 2: be from a rape, it could be from a car accident,
Speaker 2: it could be from a bad divorce. Like everybody's got
Speaker 2: some of these things that have happened to them in
Speaker 2: their life. And the biggest place in the body for
Speaker 2: a woman where she stores that energy is actually in
Speaker 2: her womb. But if the G spot is massaged, yes
Speaker 2: there really is such a thing as a G spot,
Speaker 2: then that releases the energy, that stuck energy. And so
Speaker 2: when women have pain during penetrative sex, when women actually
Speaker 2: get to the point where they can't even have anything
Speaker 2: inserted inside of them, when women have numbness, when women
Speaker 2: just don't feel much inside of their yonies, it's all
Speaker 2: related to that stuck energy. And so the more that
Speaker 2: that spot is massage, the more that stuck energy gets released,
Speaker 2: and the more pleasure is then available. So I've been
Speaker 2: teaching these workshops. Like I said, then I met this
Speaker 2: guy who signed up for a connection call with me,
Speaker 2: decided not to work with me. I was potentially going
Speaker 2: to teach him how to do ling a massage for himself. Well,
Speaker 2: he did it on his own, and then he started
Speaker 2: writing me these emails as if we knew each other.
Speaker 2: And I was really confused because it's already been two
Speaker 2: or three years. And I was like, I'm really sorry
Speaker 2: to have to say this, but who are you? How
Speaker 2: do we know each other? And he said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: did this connection call with you. Then I started doing
Speaker 2: my ownly a massage and I'm having the most amazing experiences.
Speaker 2: I'm just having one full body orgasm after another. And
Speaker 2: this is what has happened as a result of me
Speaker 2: continuing to give myself ling a massage every day for
Speaker 2: a period of two to three years. So then I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, we got to tell the
Speaker 2: world about this. This is incredible, right, And that started
Speaker 2: to tell the world about it. Then I started saying, ladies,
Speaker 2: you know, while I'm blogging, you gotta try this thing
Speaker 2: this self. You only massage do it, And then I
Speaker 2: thought to myself, I'm not doing it, so I should
Speaker 2: probably be doing it if I'm telling other women to
Speaker 2: do it. So unbeknownst to me, what I found out
Speaker 2: through the experience is that when women have unbalanced hormones
Speaker 2: because of perimenopause, menopause or being postmenopausal like I am
Speaker 2: because I'm sick now, it balances your hormones to give
Speaker 2: yourself a yoni massage. And so I started to like,
Speaker 2: I was having problems with not being wet enough, wetter
Speaker 2: than ever before in my life. Now I've been doing
Speaker 2: this practice every day for a year and a half,
Speaker 2: started being less interested in sex because frankly, it wasn't
Speaker 2: because my partner, but the sex wasn't as good because
Speaker 2: my orgasms were kind of like a little blip instead of,
Speaker 2: you know, instead of being the way they used to be.
Speaker 2: And so all of these problems like got fixed by
Speaker 2: doing the selfioning massage. And I think it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: why do we not all know about this, right? Like,
Speaker 2: and I know the answer, but really, shouldn't we all
Speaker 2: know these things about our own bodies, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: will have drops in certain hormones, but guess what, there's
Speaker 2: a thing you can do that you can learn. And
Speaker 2: then you can do it yourself every day or as
Speaker 2: often as you and it's free to practice.
Speaker 1: It because it's free, it doesn't involve medication at your
Speaker 1: own pace.
Speaker 2: It's and it's such a discovery.
Speaker 1: I think most women or many women don't don't even
Speaker 1: know their bodies, like don't even know what they're capable of.
Speaker 1: And like moving through numbness isn't force or pain or
Speaker 1: trying what you know and just and going and really
Speaker 1: exploring the different parts and being able to be with
Speaker 1: all of the sensations. And like you said, it's not
Speaker 1: you think you're going into like session one and you're like,
Speaker 1: I want to experience this, give me the magic pill, right,
Speaker 1: exactly right, And I'm always like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: a journey.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not like, yes, maybe tomorrow it's going to be explosive,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be amazing. You're gonna have multiple organisms and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have like a day where it's not
Speaker 1: because when our bodies cycle, and it is a learning
Speaker 1: process of going, Oh, this area has been stuck for
Speaker 1: so long, be it the the car accident, the sexual
Speaker 1: assault or or whatever, or deep grief or whatever has
Speaker 1: been stored in different parts of our womb.
Speaker 2: And I do.
Speaker 1: And you reminded me. I said to you, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I God. You've just inspired me to
Speaker 1: do like the thirty day challenge or the succeed to
Speaker 1: do the challenge, to do it every day for like
Speaker 1: a solid practice of let's say, you know, let's say
Speaker 1: ninety days, I'll hold myself accountable to that. I like
Speaker 1: it so that it's because I too. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what I do for work. And do you think
Speaker 1: I'm doing that every day? No, I'm helping others while
Speaker 1: not like you know, being able to. It's the giving
Speaker 1: without being able to really come back and.
Speaker 2: The importance of that.
Speaker 1: And for men who never think to do this, because again,
Speaker 1: men are just taught like you thrust one out, that's right,
Speaker 1: it's trust one out.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 1: Once you come, it's gone, and you know, and it's true.
Speaker 1: They expend so much energy that after the words are
Speaker 1: like I'm done, and then the disparaging part around women
Speaker 1: where they're like, well I haven't even I haven't even
Speaker 1: got started, right, And I find that that in between.
Speaker 1: But also for men understanding that you don't have to
Speaker 1: give all of your energy away that you can bring
Speaker 1: in this beautiful practice and it it gives you those
Speaker 1: full bodied orgasms, allows you to come literally to orgasm
Speaker 1: over and over. And that orgasm is not the same
Speaker 1: as ejaculation. Same thing for women, right, the orgasm versus peaking.
Speaker 1: You know understanding that, yes, having a contraction is not
Speaker 1: the same as having deep deep waves or ripples or energetics. However,
Speaker 1: orgasms happen for you are not the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're really right in saying that a
Speaker 2: lot most people have no idea what their bodies are
Speaker 2: capable of. I mean, I've been having good sex for
Speaker 2: many years with different partners. Right I'm having the best
Speaker 2: sex I've ever had, and my body is doing things
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know it could do. And what
Speaker 2: I elseo know about that is there's no end, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it can just actually keep getting better and better and better.
Speaker 2: And it's a myth that women have to kind of
Speaker 2: like give up their sexuality at a certain age or
Speaker 2: it's never going.
Speaker 1: To be as good as it used to be.
Speaker 2: Because why I know this now from my own experience,
Speaker 2: not only can it be as good, it can be better.
Speaker 2: And this can be the best sexual time of our lives.
Speaker 2: Once we get you know, forty and up, it can
Speaker 2: become the best time.
Speaker 1: Which I love because you're sixty and to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I was brought up again. Right you go to shrivel
Speaker 1: up and die at forty, it's kind of what I was,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you're forty, you're done. If nothing
Speaker 1: great has happened in your life up until.
Speaker 2: Then, forget it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you'd be lucky if you can
Speaker 1: hang on to your men, or like hang on to
Speaker 1: your partner.
Speaker 2: Because your libido goes to die. And I think it's
Speaker 2: so sad.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name who, but I've got a
Speaker 1: very special someone in my life who's you know, sixty
Speaker 1: five now, I think, And it's experiencing the best sex
Speaker 1: of her life with her partner. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I really encourage women, couples in fact, to re visit
Speaker 1: that old decrepit belief system that has no use and
Speaker 1: for men as well, right that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: because men's hormones change too. We think it's just women
Speaker 1: whose bodies changed, but men's bodies changed too, where erections
Speaker 1: don't become the Norman just being able to sustain at
Speaker 1: a level that they did when they're twenty right, bounce right.
Speaker 2: Back, Yeah, that's right, like they used to be able
Speaker 2: to do. Actually, here's the other great news. Not only
Speaker 2: does it well with sexual sacred spot massage helps women
Speaker 2: with their sexual dysfunction and so many other things, it
Speaker 2: also helps men with theirs. So you probably knew this,
Speaker 2: but ling a massage which really for a man than
Speaker 2: the spot where the stuck energy is held as in
Speaker 2: the prostate, right, So it involves an internal part of
Speaker 2: the massage, and that actually massaging the prostate corrects a
Speaker 2: lot of the erectil problems that men have.
Speaker 1: So now you are doing this right now, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about that's all right, I.
Speaker 2: Know I know men and it's the same as with women.
Speaker 2: Like some men don't experience much pleasure when they first
Speaker 2: start having prostate massage, but over time they certainly can.
Speaker 2: And I know men that can have orgasms from prostate massage,
Speaker 2: but usually it's men who've had a lot of prostate massage.
Speaker 2: So all that stuck energy is gone and there's nothing
Speaker 2: left but pleasure. Yeah, they're able to release it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think in your journey that
Speaker 1: you have learned the most, Like, what are some of
Speaker 1: the really key parts for you?
Speaker 2: I would say it's you know this phrase came to me.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was divinely guided. You know that God
Speaker 2: or Goddess is pro sex. That's one really big book, right,
Speaker 2: Like Goddess does not think sex is bad or evil.
Speaker 2: She thinks it's wonderful. And in fact, I have this
Speaker 2: friend who does some channeling, and years ago we all
Speaker 2: used to get together. We'd have this meditation group in
Speaker 2: my office and Sunday mornings, and afterwards she would channel
Speaker 2: and very often we'd start talking about sex because that's
Speaker 2: my thing. And through the channeling, the message was your
Speaker 2: sexuality is your spiritual They're one and the same, right,
Speaker 2: which is such the opposite message. So that's one really
Speaker 2: huge one. Also, we're all so much more awesome and
Speaker 2: amazing than we think we are. And yeah, sex is
Speaker 2: not over at forty fifty, sixty, seventy or eighty or
Speaker 2: even ninety, like it doesn't have to be. And I
Speaker 2: think that another big one is if you decide, if
Speaker 2: you make the decision to say, well, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not really having sex, I'm not having good sex. But
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna forget about that, Like you're cutting out
Speaker 2: a huge part of the joy that's available to a
Speaker 2: human being in their life as a human living on
Speaker 2: this planet. Like that's one of the best things there is.
Speaker 2: And if you start thinking, I'll just let it go,
Speaker 2: there's something off about your thinking.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I know we can't get into it
Speaker 1: too much today because as we urin in But you know,
Speaker 1: one thing that strikes me in today's world is that
Speaker 1: we're approaching a time where asexuality is a very popular notion.
Speaker 1: And I've heard way too many people say, you know,
Speaker 1: sex isn't important. Even when I was growing up. Oh
Speaker 1: you know, I always knew. I always entered these relationships
Speaker 1: when I was young that it was like sex isn't important,
Speaker 1: and it was so important to me.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I guess not, But am I
Speaker 2: missing That's funny?
Speaker 1: Today I'm like, I'm like, no, we can be friends, right,
Speaker 1: Like if sex is not important too, we can be friends.
Speaker 1: We'd be great friends. But that's right, because it is
Speaker 1: so much life for us. But as we enter as
Speaker 1: we are in this age right now, I think it's
Speaker 1: so sad that and I don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: this this like there's a trend of a sexuality and
Speaker 1: I don't I truly don't know if it's you know,
Speaker 1: something in the water food, or or that we've so
Speaker 1: sexually shamed our children or you know that I mean
Speaker 1: just at such a core, deep level that our children
Speaker 1: are growing up, or that there's so much fear in
Speaker 1: the world, the way the state of the world that
Speaker 1: is literally cutting a new generation off from its life force,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, we're breeding ourselves right out of existence,
Speaker 1: or like I'm breeding ourselves right out of existence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I've heard that too, that I've heard this
Speaker 2: many times. I'm guessing it is really true. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a trend for that young people are having less sex
Speaker 2: right than the.
Speaker 1: Ray right, Yeah, we have another woodstock.
Speaker 2: Like all we wanted to do was have sex as
Speaker 2: much as possible.
Speaker 1: Yes, and now it's like it's almost like, ugh, are
Speaker 1: you having sex again? To the parents. I don't know,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm imagining, all right. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I get these questions in and that okay, that
Speaker 1: everyone knows how to find you, and you're offering so
Speaker 1: question one, what is one truth? Your body has always
Speaker 1: known that your mind took years to.
Speaker 2: Catch up to. Oh my goodness. I think the truth
Speaker 2: is that my body always knows, so the body doesn't lie.
Speaker 2: Sometimes things would happen and my body would know, and
Speaker 2: I would try to convince myself otherwise, But no, the
Speaker 2: body does always know. Thank you.
Speaker 1: What is the most intimate moment you've ever had that
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with sex?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Wow, that's I would guess. It is
Speaker 2: probably staring into the eyes of another person, like really
Speaker 2: being present with my hat. Oh beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary, right, It's like just sitting there and breathing.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know why I'm so scared right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think it's like an instinctual thing. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Thank you. If you could be remembered for one sensation
Speaker 1: you gave someone, what would it be.
Speaker 2: For them to feel the physical penetration of my love
Speaker 2: for them? Thank you? Ah.
Speaker 1: If leisure were a language, what would your first word be?
Speaker 2: You be?
Speaker 1: And if your erotic life had a title like a
Speaker 1: novel or a film, what would it be called? She
Speaker 1: kept going and it got better and better. What is
Speaker 1: one thing you've never said out loud. But you wish
Speaker 1: someone would ask you.
Speaker 2: About Oh, my goodness, I don't think there's a thing,
Speaker 2: because I'm so transparent that I've already told everyone prevede beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's good. It means nothing has been left unsaid. Right,
Speaker 1: What part of your erotic self are you still afraid?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure freight would be the right word for
Speaker 1: you to bring to the light. Let's see, are you
Speaker 1: still inspired to bring to the light?
Speaker 2: Oh? Probably some of my darker tendencies, like my sadistic
Speaker 2: ones that you know, part of my brain is like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't do that. That would be evil and bad.
Speaker 1: But oh so good, Yes, to throw that in there,
Speaker 1: but's so good.
Speaker 2: Excuse me?
Speaker 1: What dies in you when you pretend? And what comes
Speaker 1: alive in you when you don't?
Speaker 2: Oh? Like, my literal life force energy dies like who
Speaker 2: I am at? You know, in my essence dies when
Speaker 2: I pretend and my essence comes forth, you know, my
Speaker 2: real exuberant life force energy comes forth when I'm real.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now finish this sentence. When I leave this life, I
Speaker 1: want my skin to remember.
Speaker 2: All the pleasure it has experienced.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, And if the soul has a scent.
Speaker 1: What does yours smell like today?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I want to say rose beautiful, Thank you, thank You're welcome.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna yeah, that was so much fun. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. I want to just ask you if there's
Speaker 1: anything that you want to leave our audience with our listeners,
Speaker 1: any pearls of wisdom and any offerings that you have.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. I mentioned the the self study course
Speaker 2: for women, right, which is called the Lost Art, And
Speaker 2: I call it that because Contra to me, is like
Speaker 2: it's been lost to our world. People don't even understand
Speaker 2: what it is really. They think it's all sexual and
Speaker 2: it's really not. And I also understand that it's a
Speaker 2: big jump, right and scary for women to just be like, yes,
Speaker 2: I want to sign up, and you know, take Maria's course.
Speaker 2: It's eight modules, it all been professionally filmed. Right, You've
Speaker 2: seen the class because I have. Yeah, that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's and it's beautifully done and so clear and instruction.
Speaker 1: I think for anyone who's just just who hasn't gone there,
Speaker 1: I just really needs this clear map and guide. It's
Speaker 1: it's perfectly and beautifully done.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So what I realized is that a lot
Speaker 2: of women are not ready to just jump there, and
Speaker 2: so I've made something that's like a baby step, because
Speaker 2: that's what mostly we all need right when we're scared
Speaker 2: to do something, is a baby step. And the baby
Speaker 2: step is a five minute Yoni awakening ritual for those
Speaker 2: of us who have felt disconnected from our own yonies,
Speaker 2: which can certainly happen later in life, but really it
Speaker 2: could be for anybody. So it's a PDF that's like
Speaker 2: educational and then it's a five minute video which is
Speaker 2: really like a meditation, and it gives an opportunity for
Speaker 2: the woman to with their own consent, to touch their
Speaker 2: body in pleasurable ways and to touch theironi in pleasurable ways.
Speaker 2: And almost nobody can say they don't have enough time
Speaker 2: for doing a five minute practice. So if you do
Speaker 2: want to find that, it's my website Maria Mrloni m
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Speaker 2: I dot com slash ritual and it'll bring you write
Speaker 2: your page where you can sign up to have that
Speaker 2: sent to you, and it's my gift to you. There's
Speaker 2: no charge for it, and I hope that it will
Speaker 2: re spark something in you because it really is worth it, right.
Speaker 1: And I would say to anyone who's like willing, you know,
Speaker 1: even just have the desire, even the little desire to
Speaker 1: go full fledged like all in. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: the scariest part is saying yes to yourself and then
Speaker 1: when you realize like, oh, this isn't scary, this is
Speaker 1: something my body has been calling for. There's no like
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's there to nourish you, and you
Speaker 1: do it in such a safe and educated and very
Speaker 1: easy going easier right, It's just easy way, easy being.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I just highly recommend.
Speaker 1: So thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: This was amazing, Yeah, absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1: And for is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 1: before we go?
Speaker 2: I think I've kind of probably said it all for
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I'm just going to.
Speaker 2: Say goodbye to everyone. See you next week.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for this conversation with Maria,
Speaker 1: and yeah, see you next week, joh. Thank you for
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