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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tale. So podcast for all things

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is spooky, true crime, haunted Places, myths, legends in Latin America.

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Today just true crime because again we are in catchup mode.

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I need to do shorter episodes, so I think maybe

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we'll just do one in one for the rest of

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the new year to try that. Yeah. Yeah, and then

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in the new year we'll go back to our two

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each episode longer episodes. But yeah, so today we have, yeah,

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a true crime case and of course before that, a

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listener story. And if you have a story that you

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want to send us, you can email a Spooky toes

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at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any

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of our socials. You can call these Spooky Hotline. We

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got two calls to a call, so that's exciting. We'll

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listen to those on the next two. Yes, and let's see.

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Those are the many ways to get us to your stories.

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We love receiving them. And yeah, other than that, are

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you ready to read this listeners story? Am ready? All right? Okay,

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my name is Judy. I wrote before about the story

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about my reflection in the window smiling at me. Yes, Judy.

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We remember that was scary Judy. Yes. Anyways, I have

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another spooky recollection which happened in October. Every year for

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the past nine years, my two friends and I have

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gone to New Orleans. We act like corny tourists and

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do all the touristy things like plantation tours, cemetery tours,

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and sean trooms. Just for context, my friends are Caucasian

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and I'm Pacific Islanders, so we sometimes have different perspectives

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on things. Also, New or Lenks is still hot as

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tell in October, so I've heard. Oh I didn't know that.

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We went to the only nighttime plantation tour at the

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destrahanda plantation about thirty minutes outside of New Orleans. Our

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guide showed us how to properly use copper dowsing rods

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to communicate with the spirits. After her presentation and tore

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inside the quote big house, we were allowed to walk

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around the plantation to use the dowsing rods. My friends

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and I walked over to a huge oak tree and

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then it's like quote different friends. Okay, so friend says, oh,

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I can imagine children running up to this tree and

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plane on it. Me. Yeah, I'm sure there were kids here,

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but I'm sure they weren't playing on this tree. No,

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I get why, she said the the different perspectives. Yeah yeah,

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And me, being the jerk that I am, I took

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out my dozing rock, my dowsing rots to prove I'm right,

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and I asked something like are you a child? And

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the rod swung open, which is a no, there's something

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bad happened to you here at this tree and the

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rods crossed, which is a yes. I was like, yeah,

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that's what I thought. Suddenly a gust of wind blew

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our hair back and it got instantly cold and we

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ran away. Wow. Wow, creepy wow, but also serve as

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your friend, right, No, right, she deserved that a little bit.

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This ghost. No, no, I love this for this ghost.

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Like they were like, let me correct the record here. Yeah,

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no one was playing on this street. So yeah, that

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was a great paranormal moment, okay. And so, like we said,

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today is a true crime case, only no paranormal other

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than the listener story. So Juan Fernando Elmosa holds the

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record for being Aguador's youngest serial killer at just fifteen

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years old. Jan Edmosa was arrested for murdering twenty two people.

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But let's start at the very beginning. Okaysa was born

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on February twenty eight, nineteen seventy six, in the city

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of Shushufindi in the Los Rios Province of Equalor, which

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is in Ecuador's coastal region, and during the first few

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months of his life he lived with his mom and

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his older sister in a very dangerous neighborhood called Babaoyo.

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His mom worked as a laundry lady, but barely made

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enough to feed the family. Yeah seeing no other choice,

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she gave Juan up for adoption when he was just

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a year and two months old, and so he was

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adopted by Olivo at Masa Fonseca and Soila Amala Suarez Mahia,

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a well loved couple who owned multiple properties in the

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Sukumbyos Province of Ecuador, and after the adoption, Olivo moved

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the family to Quito, where they lived in a neighborhood

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in the northeastern part of the city. Olivo apparently did

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not play a huge role in Juan's upbringing because he

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was working, and this work consisted of traveling a lot

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back and forth from Quito to Sukumbio's. He was a

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working man man. Don't look at the children, not during

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this time. No, no, come on, we just started doing that. Yeah,

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they just started doing that in twenty twenty. And this

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left Soula, who was deaf and suffered from arthritis, to

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raise Juan. Unfortunately, she was not able to control or

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like maybe discipline Juan that well, and apparently at a

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very early age he showed those quote unquote classic signs

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of a serial killer. Interesting. Interesting, I'm always like interested

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when I hear that, because I'm like, Okay, yes, this

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just how insight looking back, like exactly, I wonder the

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within the past four years or so that the quote

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unquote classic signs of a circular I think that's been debunked,

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at least not the whole thing, but I remember, like

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you know how they say like wet bed wedding is

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like a symptom part of the quote unquote triad. I

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think that's been debunked. I want to say it has,

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but I don't remember off the top of them. I

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feel like I wand like reading that, hearing that somewhere,

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you know. Yeah, and then there's actually a lot more

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you know, traits and stuff. Yeah, but those classic classic

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signs are usually wedding, the better and early age using time. Animals, Yeah,

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aggression to animals. Oh my god, what's the other one?

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What like an absent father? I do not remember head injuries? Injuries?

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there's more, let's see. Hold on, So animal cruelty, fire setting,

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and persistent bedwetting, passestor, and age. And they're known as

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the McDonald tread, which I only remembered as a tread.

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Is there anything about it being debunked. Yeah, it's been

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largely debunked as a as a reliable predictor of violent behavior.

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any issues any violence later on. And a lot of

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times these things had to do with trauma and dysfunctional

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upbringing them homes more than being signed. Quote times it

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was socio bad. So I just want to spread misinformation

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and spread sigma stigmatization of these behaviors and whatnot, you know,

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exactly so. Reportedly, at just seven years old, Plant began

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to kill small animals he found in the neighborhood. He

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tortured cats, cut their heads off, and in front of

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his classmates and teachers, would drink their blood. Yeah. I

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wonder how much of urban myth or like my mythology like,

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I don't know is that I am. I have a

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hard time believing that's true. But I don't know what

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people have said about him. I'm sure they imagine that

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to be true. I would hope, I would hope that

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it wasn't true. Yeah, this is what people are saying

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that he was doing at seven years old, but that

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would be that would be wild if the other stuff

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aren't actual signs of someone that's going to do I mean,

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this is for sure. A few times he also left

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a cat's head on his teachers and principles desks, and

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so he was expelled from school. Understandable, and obviously that's

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a big you know, YI, to say the least, you

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didn't want to generalize those behaviors as Yeah, I think

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for him, maybe it was true, no exactly, but in general,

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people who do these things doesn't necessarily mean they will

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go on to become serial killers, or that they're sociopads

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and whatnot, you know what I mean. Right, but for him,

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but you know, in this case, yeah, it could be true,

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could be true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By age ten, he was robbing stores, mugging people on

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the streets. He frequented the bars, casinos and clubs. Who

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let this child into these places? Well, his mom couldn't

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do much with her disability. These places could be like father,

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you're right, these places should not have let him in. Yeah.

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And by the age of fifteen, he led a gang

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of ten teenagers who would hang out near a video

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game store in the Gheitto neighborhood of Lamarine And then

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the killing spree began. So at fifteen, right, yeah, So

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this all led up to its first murder, which happened

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on the night of November twenty second, nineteen ninety two.

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On this night, Juan and four of his friends left

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the club in the neighborhood of Puente del Guambra. Once

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they stopped at the street Avenue tenth of August, they

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flagged down a taxi and when the taxi driver stopped

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in front of the group, Huan, without reason, pulled out

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a nine millimeters pistol and shot the driver in the head,

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killing him instantly. Oh my God. One of his friends

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then drove the taxi driver's vehicle to the southeastern part

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of the city and disposed of his body in the

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Los Chillos valley, where it was found by the police

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the next day. And this marked the beginning of Juan's

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killing spree, which went on for four months. Wow. The

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next murder happened the following week when Huan went to

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get a haircut at a salon in the southern part

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of Quito. While at the salon, Huan Guy's haircut by Charlie,

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a known trans woman whom Juan often visited for a haircut.

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Juance crew then arrived and everyone, including Charlie, began to drink.

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Charlie then invited the crew over to their place to

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continue drinking. As the night continued and argument broke out

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between the crew and Charlie, Huan then pulled out his

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pistol and shot Charlie five times, ignoring their pleas for help. Wow.

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From then on, the murders mostly occurred on the weekend

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and caused the lives of eight taxi drivers, eleven members

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of the LGBTQ community, a truck driver and three other individuals. Wow.

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members of the lgbt Q community and taxi drivers the most. Yeah,

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the city was gripped by fear and it caused panic.

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of course, of course. I mean, yeah, my eight of

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your peers have died. You're like, fuck, do I continue

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driving this taxi or not?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And LGBTQ people can't even stop, like you know what

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imagine though this is hard obviously, you know, especially that's

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your you know, I don't know, lifelong job or whatever,

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but it's a job. It's not like your identity and

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who you are and your sexual orientation, like that's right. Yeah.

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In response to this, Quito's mayor, Fausto te Bustillos, formed

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an investigative squad to look into the murders. He called

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the group COI, which stood for Centre Dea. The group

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consisted of the mayor's brother, He was a retired general,

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Francisco Paco Tehran and two officials from another city and

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four officials from Gquito, Okay. Then answer. The group gathered

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in a private room at the top of a government

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building that was guarded at all times to avoid any

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possible informants from excessing information that could help the stair killer.

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it is, right, they don't know who to trust. Yeah.

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as the squad was formed. The group had to respond

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to reports of a murdered taxi driver who had been

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shot twice in the head and twice in the chest

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and left in the outskirts of the city, and soon

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two additional murders occurred before the first truck driver was killed.

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I don't understand that. Two more murders happened, and then

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the first truck driver was killed, So the ninth murder happened,

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and then two more murders happened, and then a truck

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driver who had been the first truck driver killed. Yeah. Sorry,

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it's because I was like the first. If there's been

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these other people dying, how was he the first taxi drivers? Yes,

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not the same as a truck driver exactly. That's where

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I was. That's where my confusion happened. Yeah, I see,

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I see. When the group arrived at the truck driver's

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murder scene, they found a note. That's new. They found

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a note on a on the truck's windshield that read,

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first were the taxi drivers, and then it was the homosexuals,

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and then the truck drivers. Investigators, better be careful. That

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is so odd. Yeah, that I mean, obviously all of

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this is like our behavior to be doing in the

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first place. But to leave a note you mean, killing, Yes, Like,

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that's not you know, what's accepted within the norms of society. Yes,

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of course, no, I know, because I want to I

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want to focus on this note. Why, Like, yeah, I

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we're like we said before, he was deliberately targeting these

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groups of people. And the only thing I can imagine

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serial killer because they're picking up people all the time, right,

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that's true. It's not homosexuals because they're discarded by society,

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you know what I mean. Truck drivers, I don't know,

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maybe because they're on the road a long time. They

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pick up hitchhikers. I'm not sure, right, yeah. In a

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documentary about the murders, Danan said he felt extreme pressure

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from several officials, including the president, as a number of

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victims increased rapidly. To increase their chances of getting of

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gathering intel, the group of investigators rented taxis and posts

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as cab drivers while they monitored the streets, and then

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investigators began to turn over a new leaf when one

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day they were informed that a taxi driver had killed

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a civilian and taken off. A further look into the

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incident concluded that the taxi driver was actually the victim

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and he had been killed by a group of men

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who ran off with his car. Okay, so I guess

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the initial report came in saying, oh, a tax driver

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killed some guy, but he was the victim, yeah, and

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they took off with his car. DNA collected at the

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scene was sent to the lab for testing, and tests

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concluded that the evidence matched evidence found out another crime

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scene where a taxi driver had also been killed. So

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they're connecting dots here and it's like, Okay, someone killed

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both these text drivers. A few nights later, the group

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got a lucky break. Whentedan's brother, Francisco, heard shots in

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the neighborhood of Garapungo and was able to find it

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where the shooting came from, and according to Francisco, a

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man driving a taxi had done the shooting. So he,

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along with other officers, followed this man in his taxi.

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When they attempted to pull the taxi over, the driver

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stopped the car and he and another group of men

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and ran out of the car and they ran different directions, scattered.

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Everyone got away. We're saying men here, but these are boys, right,

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this is his gang. Yeah, he's fifteen and he has

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a little gag of teenagers. Yeah, but I guess when

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detectives are seeing that's taking place, they're just saying men

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because yeah, they didn't know, Yeah, they didn't know these

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were teenagers. So everyone got away except fourteen year old

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Louis Annibal, who refused to speak with investigators after his arrest.

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Which is his right? I was gonna say, which is

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his right? Actually, I don't know the rights in where

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is this again, Peru? Okay, they have similar rights, right, right.

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No one knew where Louis had been taken. So when

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his uncle showed up asking about his nephew's arrest, Tnan

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used the opportunity to get more information about the teen

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who was not being helpful. Okay, So they're like, hey,

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we'll tell you where is that if you help us out.

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So Luis's uncle told Tehran that he had heard his

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nephew had been arrested for walking around drunk and he

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had shown up to look for him to help Luc's mom,

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who was raising him alone. And apparently the uncle said

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that Louise is gay and he was known to hang

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out with other LGBTQ residents of the city. Now I'm wondering,

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and so Tan I was like, hold on, okay, what

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because a serial killer had been known for targeting taxi

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drivers and members of the LGBTQ community. And I like,

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Tehran is like wait a minute, I'm like, hold on,

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what's going on? Yeah, Three teenagers also showed up asking

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for Louise. The teenagers told officials that they were his

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school friends, but investigators were suspicious of their story and

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they trot them. They followed them around, okay, And so

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I don't know who's I'm sorry, I just we're going

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to find out together who is guilty here. I know

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we're going to find out together, but I'm intrigued. Yes,

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investigators believe they were onto something, so they set up

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a sting operation. They had an officer just up as

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a taxi driver and offer the teens a ride. The

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teens asked the fake taxi driver to take them to

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a club name the Vibrations, what a name and while

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and while on the way to the club, the officer

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heard the teens talk about Louise. The information got back

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to Tehran, who then showed up at the club and

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was determined to arrest the teens for what. I don't

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know what. The information was right right. He decided to

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offer the fake taxi driver more money for a ride,

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hoping that the teens would react in a way that

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would try to instigate the teens, hoping that they would

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do something to then, you know, be arrested, like a

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reason he'll give for a reason. So he doesn't have

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a reason. You're trying to give them a reason to yeah,

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to arrest he doesn't have a reason. Yet the plan worked.

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The team that got angry and that Dana was trying

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to steal their taxi. Basically and he pulled out a

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knife and then tried to attack the officer posing as

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a tax driver. Okay, wild overreaction a little bit. I'm

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sure there's other taxis. Yeah, And so the rest of

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the group also tried to attack the taxi driver and

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they were apprehended, and from that incident, ten teams were arrested.

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This was on January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two. They were

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taking in processed and interrogated and they were each told

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they were looking at possibly twenty years in jail. But

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this group didn't fold. They knew the rule don't talk.

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Leave the fifth or whatever the equivalent to the fifth

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is in equalor I was gonna, says niche just get stitches.

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But yes, okay, yeah, that's too. Louise was the only

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one who at first said he only knew things based

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on rumors. He only knew rumors, and he didn't give

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the police anything concrete. And so then they the investigators

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got frustrated and they put him in the same room

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as sixteen year old Milton, and he was ready. Milton

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was ready to spell the truth so he could be released.

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He was he was going to do the tucking. He

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was going to snitch. Yeah, yeah, Milton that louis like,

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just say the truth, man, come on, come on, man,

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I just want to get out of here. And so

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eventually they both confessed that fifteen year old Juan Fernando

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Mossuarez was the only one responsible for the murders, and

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they both had admitted to being scared of Juan, who

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threatened to kill them and their families if anyone ever spoke. Okay,

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I could see that they're young and they're seeing this

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person doing all these things. Yeah, they're not going to

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want to talk because they're scared of him. I'm wondering though,

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and I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll find out.

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But can't they still be charged with like being an

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accessory to this or is it no? Because he was

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threatening them but there's so many of them, Yeah, there's

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one of him. Yeah, and they were all a lot

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of them were in the car or in the taxis

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when he was doing these things. Because this isn't they

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didn't say anything, right, This wasn't the first incident where

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they saw a group of like quote unquote men running

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out of a taxi after a murder. So it's interesting

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as part of the deal with the officers. Milton told

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the investigators where Juan lived and how investigators could find him. So,

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with the help of special forces, on January fourteenth, nineteen

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eighty two, at around two am, armed officers arride at

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Juan's home. As they were getting ready to raid the home,

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Kuan woke up and threw a grenade outside his window.

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Why does he have grenades? Well, I'm sure you can

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get anything in the black market, I guess. Wow. And

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so then a wall fell and he fell on some

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other officers. Oh wow. And then he picked up his gun.

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Juan picked up his gun and went on the run. Okay. Unfortunately,

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during the chaos, officers saw a body move on a bed,

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and they mistook Huan's fifty year old mother for Juan

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and shot her multiple times. Oh my god. And let's

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remember Sola, the mom. She's deaf, she can't hear. This

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is terrible. Yeah. So she didn't even know what's happening,

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and she died from multiple guns. Oh my. Juan then

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ambushed officers. Oh so he was nearby. He never left.

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He ran up to his roof and he shot at

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them from his roof. But eventually, though, he turned himself

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in when he realized he was around. There was no

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way out, not this time. No officials planned a big

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press conference after they captured Huan, and they invited all

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members of the press, including international journalists. I would imagine

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at this point this maybe was a big story air

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national news. Yeah. Yeah. In preparation for the press conference,

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officers gave Juan a list with the names of everyone

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he was charged with killing. Hello, Hello, this is future editing, Christina.

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I just wanted to chime in here and say that

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we tried and searched and searched for a list of

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names of his victims, and we can't find a single

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one other than the name Charlie, who we know was

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the hairdresser and one of his first victims. So unfortunately

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we don't know the names of anyone of the twenty

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two people that he was said to have murdered. Okay,

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back to the episode, and during the press conference, Juan

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showed no remorse and journalists as well as the public

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were shocked to see that a very small referral child

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had been behind the four month merg Speedma Like they

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were like, this is a young, frail looking boy. Yeah,

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very wild and in front of the press Juan said,

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My intention wasn't to kill, but sometimes it got to

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a certain point where I would tell them taxi drivers

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that this is as far as the ride was going

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to go, and they would try to fight back and

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take my gun away, so I would react and shoot them.

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Why was your gun out on the first place? One,

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that's a good question. You don't point it at anyone

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unless your intention is to kill them. And then he

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also told the reporters that he murdered taxi drivers because

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they were abusive. So he said many, because many taxi

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drivers are abusive in many ways and they've offended me.

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Oh wow, wow. Yeah, he hates tax drivers clearly, No,

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clearly I was this whole time. I was like, what

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was the reason? But there's his reason for charging more? Yeah,

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that was his reason. Wow. So then the media they

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gave him a nickname, as they do. Yeah, they tend

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to do fitting I think. Yeah. So then after the

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press conference, investigators continued to question Quan to find a motive,

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like what the hell? People want to know? People want answers. Yeah,

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And so Kwan recounted the murder scenes without remorse, and

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he painted a vivid picture for the investigators. He admitted

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that his gang would rob cars and take them for

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joy rides or use them to rob stores before abandoning

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the car. He admitted he shot a taxi driver once

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because the driver made fun of him for asking to

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be dropped off at a safer location than was originally

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agreed to, and so this set him off. Well, according

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to Kuan, the texti driver called him the F word,

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like a homophobic slur. Yeah, and that's at him off. Okay,

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maybe that makes sense as to also how he was

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killing members of the LGBTQ community. Yeah, that's what I

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was going to say right now to Juan also admitted

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to pain officers, including someone named Officer Pucicella, who who

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said to have provided Kuan with twenty five bullets every

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fifteen days, So he was paying officers for bullets. Apparently,

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come on, Officer Pucicella. Juan also told that on that

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a high ranking commander hired him to kill a taxi

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driver who had reportedly raped that commander's daughter, which I

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led to her dying by suicide. I have no words. Wow,

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I'm yeah, I'm floored. Wow. And so then they started

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to investigate the commander understandable and down the rabbit hole

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they went, only to find out that Juan made that

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story up. Juan, I never believe them. I believed Huan.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is why we're not investigators. Of course,

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like Juan, I'm gonna let you go.

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Speaker 1: You're doing a servant. So apparently he he got this

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from the newspaper. He knew about the death of the commanders.

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He made the rest the newspaper, and he made the

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dude in an interview. Of course he's the sorry. Of

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course he's a liar and a scoundrel like you. Yeah,

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I mean he's a serial killer. They lie. In an interview,

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Kuan's adoptive father said everything changed when Quan turned seven

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and when his sister Gloria told them the truth about

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his adoption. And obviously not all adoptive kids adopted people

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become violent once they learned about their adoptions. But in general,

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it's a good idea for people who are adopted to

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always know they were adopted and to not hide the

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truth and then do a big reveal or they find

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out accidentally, because obviously that causes issues. Right, I was

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going to say, surely this would bring on some sort

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of feelings of betrayal, resentment, and anger, and also it's

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a tust. Yes, it seems that maybe the sister wasn't

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supposed to tell him at this point, and maybe to

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him randomly could be so. Quan said that after that,

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Kuan became rebellious and he didn't listen to them anymore.

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Kuan eventually stood a trial and was sentenced to sentence

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to four years in prison, the maximum that could be

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given to a minor at that time. Wow, listen, we

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both don't believe in the prison in the incarceral system.

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That's not a word. What'd you say, incarcerle carceral, carceral, No,

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in incarcerated, That's exactly what I was thinking. But this

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is this is someone that we have, is a system

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that is in place in so many places, and so

468
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because that's the system that exists, that's not enough time

469
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:39,160
all the caveats to say, yeah, four years, Like, I'm

470
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480
surprised that they didn't say, we know he's a minor,

471
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,240
but we're treating him as an adult. I'm surprised too.

472
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,799
I feel like, I don't know, maybe that's not a

473
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,960
thing there, yeah, or if it is now, it wasn't

474
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,359
back then. Here they would have definitely charged him with

475
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,319
adult for sure, no doubt about it. Yeah. So he

476
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:03,279
was sent to a juvenile detention center. But before he

477
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400
went to the detention center, he did swear he was

478
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
going to kill some of the investigators. So, qua Quan,

479
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,039
four years is nothing like you should have thanked them. Well,

480
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,440
he didn't last the four years. Oh god. He escaped

481
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,480
jail four months later with the help of a girlfriend

482
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,559
who snuck in a pistol for him. Hua girlfriend girlfriend

483
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,839
and Kwan, Yeah, you killed twenty two people. You cann't

484
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,480
do the time, you can do the four years. And

485
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,480
so Quan used that pistol to shoot one of the

486
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,000
officers who tried to stop him. Quan then he fled

487
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,400
to Columbia. Oh my god. But he was recaptured three

488
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
months later. Okay, and then what given another four years?

489
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,880
Let's see. Well, he was released in nineteen ninety six

490
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,519
and he moved back in with his dad and Okay,

491
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,759
a few days before his twentieth birthday, he was found dead.

492
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,599
Oh wow. Yeah. Huan's body was found on the banks

493
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,440
of a river by farmers who said the body was unrecognizable.

494
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,039
Oh and the police were able to identify him as

495
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:17,079
Huan by looking at his ID card, and so the

496
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,319
police said that Juan had been stabbed multiple times with

497
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,400
a machete and shot. Oh my god, and five people

498
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:35,079
were arrested for his murder. Wow, this went so many places.

499
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:42,440
I didn't think it was going to go. Yeah, like yeah,

500
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
and it seems that maybe someone didn't like him be

501
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,519
now I don't know. And they took some I mean

502
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,759
one of the twenty two people. There's plenty unfortunately. Yeah,

503
00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,160
I wanted find maybe who knows, who knows? But wow, wow,

504
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,319
what a what a case. I can't believe. Again, I

505
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:05,720
think there's so many of these worlds, like I can't

506
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,559
believe ID and heard this, but yeah, wow, Well I

507
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
guess with that we'll take a break here and come

508
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:24,680
back with spooky recommendations. Okay, do you have any spooky recommendations? Okay,

509
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,039
I listened to an audiobook play Nice by Rachel Harrison,

510
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,559
and I have recommended Rachel Harrison books before. I think

511
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,960
last time I recommended one, it was Cackle, which is

512
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:41,240
like a witchy story. Yes, I don't know. I like

513
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,319
her books. I don't know. Some people complain about them.

514
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,640
I have yet to read one, but they're on my lists.

515
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,480
But I feel like, if you liked it, I like,

516
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,920
I like it. Oh, you have it. Every time I

517
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,440
say that I like one, You're like, I'm going to

518
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,400
read it. Oh, I don't know why. I was like

519
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400
after the Bewitching, I was just in a reading I

520
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,319
borrowed like other two or three books that I just

521
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,839
didn't finish, And you haven't even finished The Possession of You.

522
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,880
I hadn't started it. I actually started it. Uh oh,

523
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,079
probably a week ago, and I'm like halfway through now

524
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,800
frank and Stein. I finished Frankenstein the audiobook because it's

525
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,880
so short, and that was like, okay, I can read again.

526
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480
And then I watched the movie and then I felt

527
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,559
like interested in reading again, so I am. I finally

528
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,280
started The Possession of the Ass. Yes. Wow, you weren't

529
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920
in a slump for sure. So and I'm actually reading it.

530
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,079
I'm not listening to it.

531
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: Oh.

532
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:43,119
Speaker 1: I read it not ago and I finished it. And

533
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,639
then I had borrowed the audiobook, and then I had

534
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,840
a bunch of other audiobooks that I was my holds

535
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,039
were coming through, and then I never got around to

536
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,039
listening to it. So I haven't listened to it either.

537
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:01,920
But anyway, play nice. It's about an influencer. Well, it's

538
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:07,280
for three or four siblings that I remember. Sisters, Yeah, siblings, yes,

539
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,639
actually already did. I added to our sibling horror topic

540
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,079
or whatever that we were talking about on Patreon and anyway,

541
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,280
So they grew up in a haunted house, at a

542
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,280
house that their mom said was haunted, but everyone else says,

543
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,559
including their dad, says their mom was crazy and was

544
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,039
abusing them, and so the dad ended up getting full

545
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:35,039
custody of them. And after he got full custody of them,

546
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,960
the mom uh basically has not been in their lives.

547
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,599
And then she dies and then they inherit the house.

548
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,239
And the main character, Cleo, is the youngest one, and

549
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,360
she she is the one kind of like trying to

550
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,280
renovate the house and more willing to kind of like,

551
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,679
the mom wrote a book also sorry about the Haunted House,

552
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,039
and the other girls have never read it because they refused.

553
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,280
They were older, they experienced more, and they were used

554
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,679
to even believe or hear the mom out at all.

555
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,039
And the youngest one is willing to hear her out,

556
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,559
and so that's kind of what it's about. Like basically,

557
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,960
the Hunted House yes, potentially there's a demon in the house,

558
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,559
but also about the abusive you know relationship, the relationship

559
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,639
with the mom, and the dynamic between the sisters, which

560
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,159
I love. I enjoyed it. This sounds fun. Yeah, a lot.

561
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,719
It to my long list of her books that I

562
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,199
still need to read. That was there for your speaker recommendation. Okay,

563
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,880
my speaker recommendation is chronos By the movie. Sorry movie.

564
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,280
I was gonna say it like it was a book

565
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:51,719
in chronos By, but no, Chronos it's GI's debut as

566
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,000
a director. Really, I didn't know that. Yeah, it came

567
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:56,639
out in Oh, I don't want to be wrong. I

568
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,920
want to say nineteen ninety two. Yes, it came out

569
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:07,280
in nineteen ninety two. And so Chronos. It's a vampire movie,

570
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,400
but it's also it's also a holiday movie. It's also

571
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
a Christmas movie. I need to watch this in the

572
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,239
sense that it's happening around Christmas time. Okay, Yeah, and

573
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:22,679
you know throughout the movie there's very Christmasy looking background scene.

574
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,239
I love that. Yeah, so add that to your Christmas

575
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,119
movie watch list. Chronos. But it's it's a twist on

576
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,719
the vampire story, you know how vampires is usually like

577
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,000
a young but like hundreds of years old vampire. This

578
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:43,480
is the opposite of that. Interesting. I mean, a sweet

579
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,400
grandpa who becomes a vampire. What through chronos, this little

580
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,039
old thing made by an alchemist centuries and centuries ago,

581
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,159
like literally during colonization. Basically, this alchemist was around and

582
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,880
was like kicked out of Spain and he had to

583
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:10,199
go to to work on his wacky experiments because he

584
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,920
was doing the work of the devil essentially, and so

585
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,519
he is the one who found or made this this

586
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:20,880
Chrono's device work, and this gives you the ability to

587
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,920
live forever really, and so yeah, this sweet old little

588
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480
becomes a vampire essentially. It's I mean, everyone knows it's

589
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,679
a vampire movie, so I'm not spoiling anything. And it's

590
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,480
also such an old movie. But yeah, when Frankenzein came out,

591
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,760
I wanted to go back and like watch all the

592
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,760
movies that I haven't seen. There's so many. I don't

593
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,119
even know if I had, I think I have only

594
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:49,320
seen Pacific Rim, which is a sci fi You didn't know,

595
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,599
he Yeah, that's the only one I've seen, because I

596
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,480
don't even think have we seen pants Labyrinth. No, I

597
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,760
have never seen it. Okay, if you haven't seen it,

598
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,239
I haven't seen it either. I don't know if you

599
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,960
watch it without me. No, I've never seen Honestly, I

600
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,360
don't think i've seen any of I've never watched. What's

601
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,920
the other one that's popular? Oh, The Shape of Water. Oh,

602
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,159
I just watched that last week. I've been renting it

603
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,840
from my favorite place in the world, Scarecrow Video, And

604
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,320
so yeah, now that's what I'm diving into all of

605
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,320
his work. And they have a little their green shelves

606
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,639
are all directors, and so they have all of his

607
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,400
movies all in a row, and I'm just every week

608
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,280
I go back and grab the other one. So they

609
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,360
have a whole shelf of Justice movies that they have.

610
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,280
They have their green shelves is like, and they have

611
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,400
sections and it's sectioned off by directors and so there's

612
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,360
like you get a little Doro section where they have

613
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,440
a lot of movies. But yeah, I watched The Shape

614
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,519
of Water. That was it was good. I don't really

615
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,159
like romance movies, but this was like romance with a

616
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,840
twist of horror. Oh, it's not technically a horror movie.

617
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,480
It was like a romance fantasy. Okay, but of course,

618
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,800
so there's gonna be spooky vibes and there no matter what. Yeah,

619
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,840
and there was. That was a great movie. I enjoyed it. Beautiful,

620
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,679
beautiful movie. But no, I'm talking about Kronos. Wait, which

621
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,400
one are you talking about right now? Right now? The

622
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Shape of Water? Oh that was a romance fantasy. Yeah, okay,

623
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,679
yeah I did. I think I need that. Yeah, but yeah,

624
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,360
Chronos his debut worth watching, especially if you like watch

625
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,280
Frankenstein and you loved it. Like we've been saying all

626
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,320
of his I think we said it in the Patreon

627
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,760
episode that we recorded about Patreon or about Frankenstein for Patreon,

628
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,079
that all of his he said, and a bunch of

629
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,360
in nerviews, that all of his work was leading up

630
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,079
to Frankenstein. And you could even see that in Chronos,

631
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:41,320
like the typical Gio tropes that we see and even

632
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,559
Frankenstein now that are polished and like, you know, so

633
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,679
well done. They're in Chronos like the body horror is there,

634
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,880
like the whole thing with bugs or insects that he

635
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:57,920
you know, like butterflies, like just like bugs. Warning, there

636
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,000
is cockroaches in Cronos so, oh, I'm not gonna watch it.

637
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,639
Watching it and I was like, I can't. I think

638
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,920
I I was watching it. We were driving down from

639
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,760
Seattle to Vancouver, and I was wentual on my laptop

640
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,000
and like, literally within the first few seconds on the movie,

641
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,679
you can see That's why, you know, if they ever

642
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,559
made a movie of the Unworthy, I I don't think

643
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,800
I could watch it because, yeah, cockroaches. If if someone

644
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,800
had told me there's cockroaches, I don't think I could

645
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,039
watch it. But I didn't know, so warning there is

646
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,920
KOs yeah, and I was I was like, ah, and

647
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,480
poor Kyle was driving and he's like, I'm like, there's

648
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,639
a cockroach in the movie. He's like, yeah, they're coming

649
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,880
out of the statue. Is disgusting. Nope, I can't watch that.

650
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,039
I'm trying to say, I will never watch that movie. Okay,

651
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,960
understandable honestly, but no, it's so good. But if someone

652
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,079
edits out, you know how, sorry, but you know how

653
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,440
they you know what I'll do for you, Carman. You'll

654
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,000
edit out all the cockroach scenes, yes, and I'll send

655
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,519
it to you. That's what I was gonna say that

656
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:06,039
if someone edits down, there has to be a cockroach

657
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:10,800
free version. I will make a cockroach PG versions of

658
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,599
like The Office and like popular stuff that you know,

659
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,159
the Christian fundamentalist watch right, like a version like that,

660
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,360
but cockroach free. Then I'll watch that. Okay, yes, I'll

661
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,480
do that for you. Cool. Anyway, I love Day. I

662
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,679
loved it. It's such a beautiful story and really in

663
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,320
the end, I think the lesson is that death is

664
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,239
a gift, which is such a Mexican thing. I was

665
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,960
just gonna say that, Wow, our minds. And that's not

666
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,119
just saying like obviously if you lose a love when

667
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:45,840
you're going to warn them, But I think it goes

668
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920
as a whole as like a Mexican society with like

669
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,280
things like the Almuertos and like or just a fascination

670
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,880
with them a cob like it's very fitting with that

671
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,400
type of thing, you know. So yeah, it's it's a

672
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,679
great movie. I enjoyed it. Some might say it's his

673
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
weakest work because it was his first one. Oh I

674
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,719
mean I think that makes sense. I enjoyed it. Nonetheless, Yeah,

675
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,719
it was still it's still such a great watch. And

676
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,119
Ron Peerlman, do you know Ron Peerlman. I'm sure we saw. Okay,

677
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,639
he's in this and he's so funny in it. He's

678
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:26,719
so funny in it. He's he's like in Mexico. I

679
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,280
don't know what business him and his father have in Mexico,

680
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,119
but you know, Nafta takes help. It is some sort

681
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:40,760
of factory. Maybe it's a mechila, I don't know. I

682
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,719
don't remember, but they have some business there. And he

683
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,800
hates being in Mexico. He hates it and he's so

684
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,119
like white about it. And it's so funny. But this

685
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,239
was intentional, this character for sure. Yeah, I see, yeah,

686
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,719
but no, it's it's so it's so fun to watch.

687
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,679
And oh, I like so many movies have like kids

688
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,239
in them. This has a kid too, and like all

689
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,800
of his movies, she's amazing. Oh he never misses with

690
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,719
the kid actors. They're always so good and she is wonderful.

691
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Like it's it's it's a good movie. I highly recommend it.

692
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,920
And yeah, I guess this brings us to the end

693
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,679
of the episode. Yes, this does bring us to the

694
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,760
end of the episode. Yeah, I don't know. Don't trust

695
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,760
one and I'm just kidding. But no, Well, so tie

696
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,639
you to our listeners. Story don't go to a plantation

697
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,519
in your leans and tell the ghosts that they played

698
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,599
there in the trees, or they will haunt you exactly exactly,

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Stay a spookie and we'll catch everyone next time. My

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book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and

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edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen, and with the

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help of Don Shout out with Don. If you're enjoying

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the podcast, considered living, say five star review. We would

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really appreciate it. If you don't want to the professor review,

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just don't leave a review. But don't leave anything lower

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to the podcast at a spookytos at gmail dot com.

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You can go to our website at pookitos dot com

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to support but you can or don't want to join

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the patreon, that's fine too. You can also get some

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merch you can find Sure says say a spooky and

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old English letters. There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

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There's also a hat. There's a no Mamas shirt, which

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is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap, TOMPs, sweaters.

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It's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a Spookie season, so yeah,

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get your hoodies. You're gonna need them. If you don't

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want to do all that, that's fine too. You can

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just listen like you're listening now, and that's the best

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support that you can give us. Like I always say

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in our break and yeah, I feel like history. You

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can follow Estoria's Unknown Mining, Carment's other podcasts, and you

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can find as Spooky Tells on all of our socials

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at a Spooky Tells All. This is in the show

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Stay a Spooky