Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
Speaker 1: weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
Speaker 1: the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
Speaker 1: it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.
Speaker 1: The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
Speaker 1: possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
Speaker 1: to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
Speaker 1: the forces that have been unleashed.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
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Speaker 2: the Forbidden Knowledge Network. Today, I want to welcome Jeff Dornick.
Speaker 2: He is founder and CEO of Pickax, a social media
Speaker 2: platform dedicated to freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
Speaker 2: He is co founder of Maverick Broadcasting Network and hosts
Speaker 2: The Jeff Dornick Show. He has co authored two books,
Speaker 2: Church and State and Social Injustice. Jeff, welcome, How you.
Speaker 3: Doing doing pretty good? Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on very much. Looking forward to this
Speaker 2: important discussion. We're going to talk about the critical crossroads
Speaker 2: we're at when it comes to technology, that we are
Speaker 2: entering an era of AI, governance, industry, and possibly military
Speaker 2: and law enforcement. Many are also choosing to ignore the
Speaker 2: obvious march towards dystopia and the transhumanist mRNA nightmare that
Speaker 2: these guys are cheering for. But if you don't see
Speaker 2: it by now, I'm not sure what else to tell you.
Speaker 2: We're going to discuss a lot of that today, so
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to getting your insights. This is
Speaker 2: your first time on though, tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: more about yourself and what brought you to what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, no, I appreciate, you know again for having
Speaker 3: me on and all that I you know, for you know,
Speaker 3: going back all the way to probably twenty twenty twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, I've hosted a show called The John Thornick
Speaker 3: Show where I've interviewed anybody and everybody'll that'll come on.
Speaker 3: I try, you know, it's mostly conservative, center right, you
Speaker 3: know type people that come on the show. I try
Speaker 3: to get a wide variety of people. So I've definitely
Speaker 3: had some interesting, interesting conversations everybody from you know, politicians
Speaker 3: to you know, had Senator Ron Johnson On've interviewed Nicole Shanahan,
Speaker 3: you know, all the way down to interviewing bigfoot experts
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. So it's a wide
Speaker 3: range of people that'll come on the show. But during
Speaker 3: the midst of all the craziness when it came to COVID,
Speaker 3: I interviewed some controversial figures. Ended up getting permanently suspended
Speaker 3: from Twitter for talking to a black conservative who was
Speaker 3: running for Senate out in Illinois about why the African
Speaker 3: American community was so hesitant to get vaccinated, and he
Speaker 3: brought up the Teskegee experiments. Well, Twitter didn't like that,
Speaker 3: and they felt like that was promoting a vaccine hesitance,
Speaker 3: even though all I did was just to ask the question,
Speaker 3: and they permanently submitted, permanently suspended me. Obviously, when Elon
Speaker 3: came back, a lot of us were allowed back on
Speaker 3: the platform. But I began to see the writing on
Speaker 3: the wall when I started looking at Okay, what are
Speaker 3: the terms and conditions, what are the policies, who is
Speaker 3: he hiring, what's going on? And I saw he's talking
Speaker 3: about a free speech platform. But I don't feel like
Speaker 3: that's actually what he's doing here. And it's panned out
Speaker 3: that I was right the entire time. So what they
Speaker 3: ended up doing is implementing a policy called freedom of
Speaker 3: speech but not freedom of reach, which means you're technically
Speaker 3: allowed to say whatever you want, but they don't have
Speaker 3: to allow anybody to see it, you know. And so
Speaker 3: I always say, it's the equivalent of, you know, if
Speaker 3: he set up a he set up a stage in
Speaker 3: the middle of a New York Times Square with with
Speaker 3: a sound system, speakers, and said we're gon have a
Speaker 3: free speech event. Get up on stage, say whatever the
Speaker 3: heck you want, and then you get up there and
Speaker 3: start talking. He doesn't like what you say and hits
Speaker 3: the mute button and then you know, doesn't allow anybody
Speaker 3: to hear it, and you're like, dude, I thought this
Speaker 3: was free speech. It's like, you can say whatever you want.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I have to allow anybody to hear it.
Speaker 3: That's basically what's happening. And so what I ended up
Speaker 3: doing got an investor, I got a phenomenal tech team together,
Speaker 3: and we ended up building our own social media platform
Speaker 3: that is truly free speech, and we say, you get
Speaker 3: freedom of speech and freedom of reach. And our entire
Speaker 3: mission is to bring back the First Amendment within the
Speaker 3: confines of a social media platform. And then we're also
Speaker 3: helping content creators to monetize their content have more direct
Speaker 3: access to their audience. You just kind of bypass a
Speaker 3: lot of these problems that we've been dealing with it
Speaker 3: within social media. And so, you know, we recently just
Speaker 3: got out of our beta launch. Now we're kind of
Speaker 3: in pre launch. We're developing an app as well that'll
Speaker 3: be rolled out in the next couple of months and
Speaker 3: some other really cool features. So basically my life for
Speaker 3: the last couple of years is just building out this
Speaker 3: social media platform and we're really kicking in the high
Speaker 3: gear now.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Well, I love what you're doing. Let's get your
Speaker 2: thoughts on what is unfolding on as many layers as
Speaker 2: we can touch on. I've checked out of the political
Speaker 2: space a long time ago. I'd have no emotional attachment
Speaker 2: to that, so I'm able to step back and look
Speaker 2: at everything from different angles. I also approach it from
Speaker 2: a spiritual perspective as well. But I think it's important
Speaker 2: for us to really dissect and understand these agendas and
Speaker 2: everything that is being put forward right now because we
Speaker 2: need to know how to navigate this. What is going
Speaker 2: to be for our best interest, what is not? And
Speaker 2: there's so many deceptions when it comes to our systems
Speaker 2: and the systems of governments and the people involved in
Speaker 2: our global leaders So it's difficult to navigate sometimes, especially
Speaker 2: for the past few years after COVID and everything started unfolding.
Speaker 2: On top of the censorship and everything else, it's difficult
Speaker 2: to sift through what's good information. So how do you
Speaker 2: feel about how everything is unfolded, what is happening now
Speaker 2: with this current administration, and what we really need to
Speaker 2: be paying attention to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. For me. And I'll just preface
Speaker 3: this conversation with just saying, like I'm somebody that I
Speaker 3: long time ago, I stepped away from what I call
Speaker 3: team sport politics, right, So it's not about your party,
Speaker 3: it's not about your candidate, it's not about an individual person.
Speaker 3: I wrote a chapter I'm working on an entire book
Speaker 3: right now called Following the Lead that's calling out this
Speaker 3: whole idea of the cults of personality and how the
Speaker 3: intelligence agencies have used this in order to manipulate the masses.
Speaker 3: So it's something that I've become very concerned about, and
Speaker 3: I want everybody to take a step back, and I
Speaker 3: want people to look at things from like an issue
Speaker 3: by issue basis. You know, just because you support Donald
Speaker 3: Trump doesn't mean that you should support everything that he does.
Speaker 3: Just because you're a Democrat doesn't mean that every single
Speaker 3: thing that Donald Trump does is bad. We have to
Speaker 3: look at everything and call balls and strikes and say, look,
Speaker 3: this is right, this is wrong. And I think that
Speaker 3: it's so easy for us to fall into the trap
Speaker 3: of and this goes for anybody of saying look they're
Speaker 3: all bad or they're all they're all right because of
Speaker 3: one particular issue, and it's like, no, there, there's a
Speaker 3: lot more nuanced all of this. So when I'm looking
Speaker 3: at you know, President Trump's administration, I ended up I
Speaker 3: voted for the guy, but I've also got a lot
Speaker 3: of concerns about what's happening and the implementation of all
Speaker 3: of this. And I was having a conversation with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine yesterday who is who I would say
Speaker 3: is probably more center left, and we're in total agreement
Speaker 3: that a lot of the things that Trump talks about
Speaker 3: are things that need to be dealt with. We need
Speaker 3: to deal with with all with all the the insane
Speaker 3: fraud and waste and spending and all that. But I
Speaker 3: also think that the implementation of it is bad. And
Speaker 3: I also think that the end result of the direction
Speaker 3: that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are taking us when
Speaker 3: it comes to things like DOGE, are going to be
Speaker 3: very bad because of the because of the push of
Speaker 3: implementing artificial intelligence and large language models, you know, and
Speaker 3: and I and I fear that the direction that we're
Speaker 3: heading is this technocracy where we're going to have these
Speaker 3: you know, big tech oligarchs that are going to be
Speaker 3: implementing the technology that will centralize power even more and
Speaker 3: take away all the checks and balances that we do
Speaker 3: have in this country. That that's the beauty about having
Speaker 3: a country that's for the people and by the people,
Speaker 3: is that is that we have people, We have accountability.
Speaker 3: If one person violates our constitutional rights, we can prosecute them,
Speaker 3: we can sue them, we can hold them accountable if
Speaker 3: if if somebody is asked to do something that's unconstitutional
Speaker 3: by the by their superior they can become a whistleblower.
Speaker 3: But what happens if it's all taken over by artificial intelligence?
Speaker 3: Now you're taking out that check and balance. AI isn't
Speaker 3: going to become its own whistleblower. So how are we
Speaker 3: going to deal with this? And so that's one of
Speaker 3: the concerns that I have is that is this massive
Speaker 3: push to implement artificial intelligence and these large language models
Speaker 3: and technology that will that it seems like they're going
Speaker 3: to be replacing human beings with technology which is going
Speaker 3: to take away all accountability. And I don't know how
Speaker 3: we're going to have a self governing society anymore when
Speaker 3: you're going to have technology that can be used by
Speaker 3: these leaders in order to centralize the power, and we're
Speaker 3: going to have basically no say in it because the
Speaker 3: vast majority of people don't understand code, they don't understand technology,
Speaker 3: they don't understand algorithms. And to me, it's going to
Speaker 3: be a massive opportunity for you know, say what you want,
Speaker 3: the deep state, the powers that be, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call them, in order to take away our rights
Speaker 3: and centralized control and centralized power, and we're going basically
Speaker 3: have no recourse.
Speaker 2: Well, let's stas sec that a little bit. Let's get
Speaker 2: deeper into how that would individually affect people, how we
Speaker 2: would see that rolling out. You said that there's sixty
Speaker 2: five billion invested to develop AI, basically to replace humans
Speaker 2: with these AI algorithms. What do you think are the
Speaker 2: full implications of this that we could be facing short term,
Speaker 2: long term?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, so specifically with that, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: So Meta is investing sixty five billion dollars to develop
Speaker 3: their artificial intelligence, but it's specifically to develop it so
Speaker 3: that way they can use AI as the equivalent of
Speaker 3: human creators. So they're going to actually have profiles and
Speaker 3: they're already rolling this out. One of the fastest growing
Speaker 3: Instagram accounts, right now is an AI bot basically, you know,
Speaker 3: it's you know, posting video, posting pictures and just going viral.
Speaker 3: And so they're kind of testing this out and rolling
Speaker 3: all of this out. But but I've talked to a
Speaker 3: lot lot of people that are you know, shareholders in Facebook,
Speaker 3: you know, investors, people in the tech world that are
Speaker 3: looking at this and they're like, well, it appears as
Speaker 3: if what Meta is trying to do within the next
Speaker 3: five years is actually replace human content creators on their
Speaker 3: platform with AI created content creators. And and and here
Speaker 3: and here's the significance of this. Okay, so number one,
Speaker 3: it's going it's going to affect a lot of content creators.
Speaker 3: The reality is the vast majority of people that they
Speaker 3: see influencers as the butt of a job. They think that,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't care about them. But here's how
Speaker 3: it impacts you specifically, if they can if they can impact,
Speaker 3: if they can affect that, right, they they kick all
Speaker 3: the content creators off of the or they don't need
Speaker 3: them anymore because now they have the AI controlled content creators.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? It means number one, Meta doesn't
Speaker 3: have to pay uh, you know, content creators any kind
Speaker 3: of revenue share because they don't need them anymore. But
Speaker 3: more importantly, they control everything that's said on their platform.
Speaker 3: So we just become all, you know, just consumers. We're
Speaker 3: consuming information, and then all of the information that we're
Speaker 3: consuming is will be coming from these AI created and
Speaker 3: AI generated bots. What does that mean. It means that
Speaker 3: metal will have complete control over narratives. It means that
Speaker 3: they're gonna have set their own Overton window to where
Speaker 3: guess what, the creator is never going to piss off
Speaker 3: an advertiser because they're setting the parameters for what the
Speaker 3: content creator is going to talk about. They're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to use these used AI in order to be
Speaker 3: able to target the content that the AI generated US
Speaker 3: content creators will be generating that you're consuming to make
Speaker 3: it more clickbaity, more viral, more addictive. And then it's
Speaker 3: also going to be pushing the narratives that are good
Speaker 3: for their advertisers, that are good for good for their
Speaker 3: political narratives, and good for their propaganda. So when you
Speaker 3: look at this, you're like, okay, cool, so that that's Facebook.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be on Facebook. I'll leave. I'm
Speaker 3: going to join Pickaction, which is my social media platform. Great,
Speaker 3: that's fine. But what happens when you have the government
Speaker 3: that is now involved in this because we know that
Speaker 3: the CIA and the intelligence agencies both are intelligence agencies,
Speaker 3: foreign intelligence agencies. They use you know, bot farms, they
Speaker 3: use a nonst troll accounts, they use all these different
Speaker 3: things in order to push propaganda. What happens when they
Speaker 3: get a hold of this kind of artificial intelligence to
Speaker 3: where now they're they're able to use AI to see
Speaker 3: your data, to see what you're doing, what's what's most
Speaker 3: interesting to you, so that way they can more effectively
Speaker 3: push their propaganda. That's where all of this is going.
Speaker 3: And this is why we need to get a rain
Speaker 3: on this. And unfortunately, you know, and I'm saying, this
Speaker 3: is a guy who voted for Trump in this last election,
Speaker 3: but Trump cozying up with all these big tech Silicon
Speaker 3: Valley guys like like Larry Ellison and Sam Altman and
Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos who are all pushing this
Speaker 3: insane artificial intelligence, as well as Elon Musk. When you're
Speaker 3: looking at this, you're like, it doesn't seem like they're
Speaker 3: gonna have any guardrails. It seems like we are facilitating
Speaker 3: this as a government, and to me, this is pushing
Speaker 3: us closer to terminator style, you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: AI implementation than anything else. And it's it's crazy that
Speaker 3: I feel like nobody in our government is seeing this,
Speaker 3: like maybe we should take a step back from this
Speaker 3: one a little bit. But maybe it's all because they
Speaker 3: know that it's going to give them even more power
Speaker 3: and control.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the echo chambers that were already subjected to
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's too late, if what you're saying
Speaker 2: has already gone too far to where it's infiltrated the
Speaker 2: social media space and it's going to inevitably just take
Speaker 2: over everything. Like you said, we're already seeing the death
Speaker 2: of long form content like shows like this, and it's
Speaker 2: going to these little viral TikTok clips. I only use
Speaker 2: social media basically to promote this show and the things
Speaker 2: I'm doing, the films I'm making. Every once in a while,
Speaker 2: I like to see what my friends and other content
Speaker 2: creators are doing, but it's becoming more difficult to find
Speaker 2: them because it's being replaced by exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: So could it be that it's already just infiltrated everything
Speaker 2: to a point of no return.
Speaker 3: I would say, no, I think we're definitely getting to
Speaker 3: the point to where to where AI has has the
Speaker 3: potential of basically taking over our government, to where you know,
Speaker 3: there's a movie that came out probably twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: and I always say, you know, basically the kind of
Speaker 3: technology and things that they're that they're giving us in
Speaker 3: movies will typically come true within about with within about
Speaker 3: two decades and about twenty years. So there's a movie
Speaker 3: that came out about twenty years ago called Eagle Eye
Speaker 3: with Shiya La buff and it was about how AI,
Speaker 3: how the military was using artificial intelligence to be more
Speaker 3: efficient when it comes to you know, military military strikes.
Speaker 3: What do we need to go to war assess what's
Speaker 3: going on? Well, the AI felt like, oh, the president's
Speaker 3: making the wrong decision by not you know, going to
Speaker 3: war doing whatever it is. So then the AI decided, well,
Speaker 3: we need to take out the entire chain of command
Speaker 3: so that so that way, you know, we're going to
Speaker 3: have the proper implementation of what's going on based upon
Speaker 3: the data and all that kind of stuff. And so
Speaker 3: the entire movie was set up like that. Well, That's
Speaker 3: basically where we're headed right now. When we're going to
Speaker 3: be so reliant upon artificial intelligence, and especially when we
Speaker 3: get to the point of where they're combining it with
Speaker 3: quantum computing, it could be it becomes completely self learning,
Speaker 3: more intelligent than human beings. The whole deal. We're gonna
Speaker 3: We're going to see the potential for AI to take
Speaker 3: over everything from a governmental standpoint to where we're going
Speaker 3: to be beholden to them, but on a on a
Speaker 3: more you know, personal basis, and in an individualistic basis,
Speaker 3: we do have an opportunity to kind of create our
Speaker 3: own alternative AI free, technology free society. You know, I
Speaker 3: was talking into Cole Shanahan on our on our AI
Speaker 3: Transhumanism summit that we held a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: for Pickaxe, and we were talking about do we need
Speaker 3: to set up our own protections for people that don't
Speaker 3: want to combine with technology and become transhumanists and get
Speaker 3: brain ship implants and deal with AI on a day
Speaker 3: to day basis. How do we do that? What is
Speaker 3: that going to look like? You know, maybe it's going
Speaker 3: to be something where we have almost our own Amish
Speaker 3: style communities, not saying we don't use techn you know,
Speaker 3: technology or electricity. But it's like, no, this is free
Speaker 3: from this AI control system and you know, and so
Speaker 3: can we pass some sort of legislation we give us
Speaker 3: protections if we don't want to live in this kind
Speaker 3: of insane world where where we're combining human biology with
Speaker 3: technology and AI and the and the whole deal. So
Speaker 3: I think that we can do that. And for me,
Speaker 3: my mission with PICKACS specifically is how can I use
Speaker 3: technology to build up humanity? Whereas all the rest of
Speaker 3: the platforms what they're doing is they're using humanity and
Speaker 3: our data, our thoughts are, you know, our positions on
Speaker 3: our writing and our videos, and funneling it into their
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence in order to build their technology, which gives
Speaker 3: them more control, more more, more revenue because of advertising,
Speaker 3: you know, targeting and all that. I'm taking that, I'm
Speaker 3: taking everything on the flip side and I'm just reversing it.
Speaker 3: I'm inverting the whole thing. How do we use technology
Speaker 3: what's available right now to build up humanity? And I
Speaker 3: think if we can have more people that take that approach,
Speaker 3: I think that we could actually create something to where
Speaker 3: we were. We're creating a space for human beings to
Speaker 3: have ideas and thoughts. And it's not just this AI
Speaker 3: controlled robots that are just all talking to each other.
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna be nuts. So we have to be very,
Speaker 3: very specific and targeted in what we're doing in order
Speaker 3: to protect ourselves from this craziness.
Speaker 2: Right on, I agree hundred percent, and I love what
Speaker 2: you're doing with that. Let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: some of the things we need to pay attention to
Speaker 2: as it relates to DOGE and the agendas that they're
Speaker 2: rolling out, some of the stuff behind that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, and I think I think specifically
Speaker 3: with dog. You know, the thing is, and I've said
Speaker 3: this from the very beginning, if Elon must just stayed
Speaker 3: in his lane and just went in, found the fraud,
Speaker 3: found the waste, found where we could streamline things better. Uh,
Speaker 3: and then take this report and take it back to
Speaker 3: Congress and take it back to the President of the
Speaker 3: United States and say, look, here's my recommendations based upon Look,
Speaker 3: and we're spending this much money on this kind of
Speaker 3: study and investigating you know, transgender chimpanzees. Uh, maybe we
Speaker 3: shouldn't be spending money on that you know, if that,
Speaker 3: if that's what he did, kudos, That's that's what we
Speaker 3: need because we have so much pork in the government,
Speaker 3: we have so much waste and fraud in our government.
Speaker 3: I'm all, I'm all for that. But the but he's
Speaker 3: taking it a step further. And this is the problem
Speaker 3: is that is that not only is he just exfining
Speaker 3: it and investigating and exposing, but also Trump is tasking
Speaker 3: him with actually fixing the problem. That's a concern because
Speaker 3: he's not accountable to anybody. You know, he doesn't have
Speaker 3: like an official position that's been that's been approved by Congress.
Speaker 3: Only Congress can actually cut spending. They're the ones that
Speaker 3: set this set the spending bills, and so technically it's
Speaker 3: it's actually dishonest for Doge to go around saying like, look,
Speaker 3: we saved you all this money. No, you didn't. And
Speaker 3: in fact, we have this continuing resolution that continued to
Speaker 3: fund all the departments and all these projects as it
Speaker 3: was under the Joe Biden administration. Despite all of all
Speaker 3: of Doge's you know, expose as and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, all the money is still funneling back through.
Speaker 3: So what are we actually doing here? Well, when you
Speaker 3: when you look at what that that stunt that Elon
Speaker 3: must pulled where he sent an email to all the
Speaker 3: federal employees asking them asking them to report back, you know,
Speaker 3: five things that you did this week. Right, everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a joke. It's this, you know, just to see
Speaker 3: if people are dead or alive or all that. Well,
Speaker 3: if you look at reports and you look at what
Speaker 3: they're actually doing. They took all the information and they
Speaker 3: put it into a large language model, which is basically
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, and it analyzed everybody's job. How can we
Speaker 3: streamline things? What kind of things can can artificial intelligence replace?
Speaker 3: Does streamline things even even more effective, even more effectively?
Speaker 3: Can do we really need this job? Well, again we
Speaker 3: go back to do we want a government buy and
Speaker 3: for the people or do we want a government that
Speaker 3: streamlined to the point to where to where artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: is basically making all the calls. It's making the calls
Speaker 3: about whether or not you have a job, about whether
Speaker 3: or not this position needs to be filled. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: on one hand, I get it you're trying to streamline things.
Speaker 3: That's great, But on the flip side, do we really
Speaker 3: want to be relying on AI for all this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, and that's really concerning. And then I also
Speaker 3: have the question of you know, Elon Musk and his
Speaker 3: team are developing this large language model for the government implementation. Well,
Speaker 3: who who who owns the technology? Is that I haven't
Speaker 3: seen this? Is the government owns the technology? Is is
Speaker 3: it Elon Musk? So if so, let's just say he's
Speaker 3: licensing it to the government. Okay, So technically Elon Musk
Speaker 3: wouldn't own the data that they're inputting it. But is
Speaker 3: he benefiting from from all that data? Because we know
Speaker 3: that he's benefiting from all the data that Tesla's collecting
Speaker 3: with Tesla is one of the largest data collectors in
Speaker 3: the entire world. Every time you get in a Tesla,
Speaker 3: it's tracking where you're going, It's it's tracking your your behavior. Also,
Speaker 3: every time you plug a phone in to a Tesla,
Speaker 3: it's collecting the data off your phone. And it's actually
Speaker 3: in your terms and conditions that that are that are
Speaker 3: in that are in your when you purchase your car
Speaker 3: that says that they have the ability to collect your
Speaker 3: data from your phone. So you connect your phone to
Speaker 3: to charge in a Tesla and guess what they're collecting
Speaker 3: your data. They have one of the largest data collection,
Speaker 3: you know, services in the world. Why do you think
Speaker 3: Elon musk actually bought X. He bought X for a
Speaker 3: massive data collection. He didn't get a forty four billion
Speaker 3: dollar loan in order to buy Twitter to to defend
Speaker 3: free speech. He justified it because the data collection, that's
Speaker 3: all going into the artificial intelligence. That's what all of
Speaker 3: this is about. I don't think that Elon Muskus sinister.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's this evil super villain, but I
Speaker 3: think he has a faulty worldview and where he's taking
Speaker 3: us right now. I think he means well, but I
Speaker 3: think it could be it could be completely catastrophic to
Speaker 3: the future of humanity.
Speaker 2: What about the capabilities of AI, and not just the
Speaker 2: AI that the public has access to Chad, GPT, these
Speaker 2: art programs, but black budget military industrial AI that could
Speaker 2: replace intelligence agencies. How advanced you think we're talking here?
Speaker 3: I think I think very advanced. You know it again,
Speaker 3: I always say the things you see in the movies,
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years ago is what comes to pass
Speaker 3: about about now. And you know we know that the
Speaker 3: CIA has as student has offices in Hollywood, and you know,
Speaker 3: they're directly impacting the propaganda that comes through there, and
Speaker 3: they're conditioning us to be able to accept things down
Speaker 3: the road and and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 3: so I would say that they're probably very, very, very advanced.
Speaker 3: What I'm really concerned about is once we once we
Speaker 3: achieve quantum computing, and we're getting we're getting very close
Speaker 3: where they're they're they're accomplishing a lot when it comes
Speaker 3: to quantum computing. They're still perfecting it. But but from
Speaker 3: everything that I'm seeing, is that's going that's when we're
Speaker 3: really gonna be looking at. Okay, now, once you combine
Speaker 3: quantum computing with artificial intelligence, that's where we could begin
Speaker 3: to see things like Terminator come to pass because they
Speaker 3: basically like humanoid robots that are self learning. You know,
Speaker 3: that's where we begin to see this. But what's really
Speaker 3: interesting for me, you know, I'm a Christian, so I
Speaker 3: try to look at things from from a spiritual side
Speaker 3: of things as well. And the more that I look
Speaker 3: into into quantum computing and artificial intelligence, the more the
Speaker 3: more concerned I am from from a spiritual level. Again
Speaker 3: and I again I go back to I go back
Speaker 3: to the movies as just as an example. I'm not
Speaker 3: prefacing all of this on just the fact that it's
Speaker 3: in movies. But look at the Marvel movies. They talk
Speaker 3: about the quantum realm constantly, they talk about quant some
Speaker 3: computing constantly. It's it's a running theme throughout the entire
Speaker 3: series of the movies. Well what what are they depicting
Speaker 3: in these movies as the quantum realm. Well, you're opening
Speaker 3: up a portal to be able to communicate or have
Speaker 3: access to other worldly beings. Well okay, so what what
Speaker 3: is that? What does that mean? Well, you know, from
Speaker 3: a spiritual perspective and as a Christian perspective, the real
Speaker 3: world implications of this would be you're you're accessing probably
Speaker 3: the demonic rum. It's probably you know, you go back
Speaker 3: to Operation paper Clip. Look at what these Nazi scientists
Speaker 3: were doing during World War Two. They were deep into
Speaker 3: the occult. You know, you talk about you talking about
Speaker 3: UFOs and aliens or whatever. No, they were deep into
Speaker 3: the occult.
Speaker 2: In an insane less conversation Nazi yesterday with somebody, this
Speaker 2: exact conversation about how the Nazi regime was channeling something
Speaker 2: to develop technology why wouldn't they be integrating those things
Speaker 2: together now?
Speaker 3: Right? No exact exactly, and and so and so. So
Speaker 3: when we see this, a lot of the tech knowledge
Speaker 3: that we have in NASA, the CIA, and I say,
Speaker 3: all these different technologies are rooted and kind have stemmed
Speaker 3: out from a lot of this, a lot of this
Speaker 3: Nazi technology that we had brought over during this time,
Speaker 3: you know, post post World War two, and everything is
Speaker 3: kind of flowed out from that. And so when we're
Speaker 3: looking at this, I'm like, Okay, so, so you've got
Speaker 3: quantum computing that allegedly according to all the research that
Speaker 3: I can find, and and again it's a deep dive.
Speaker 3: I could send over some of the stuff that I've found,
Speaker 3: but you know, I think that we're actually we would
Speaker 3: be accessing a spiritual level. You'd probably demonic technology, access
Speaker 3: to demonic beings. And so so what does that actually mean? Well,
Speaker 3: a lot of the information that we'd be able to
Speaker 3: generate that would allow AI to become self learning would
Speaker 3: be coming probably from demonic intelligence. So what does that
Speaker 3: mean when you start talking about implanting a brain ship,
Speaker 3: the acces that that's using super intelligence, you know, Elon
Speaker 3: Musk calls it super intelligence, Well maybe it's actually demonic intelligence.
Speaker 3: So if you implant one of these chips in your brain,
Speaker 3: that that you're connecting your brain to the Internet, your
Speaker 3: brain to artificial intelligence. Elon has already said that he'll
Speaker 3: have the ability to erase your memories and replace them
Speaker 3: with new ones, which which is absolutely terrifying. But I
Speaker 3: think we could also be setting ourselves up if you
Speaker 3: believe in this from from a Christian perspective, massive demonic
Speaker 3: possession to a certain degree where where demonic intelligence has
Speaker 3: control over your mind. And it's interesting because I've been
Speaker 3: having I've done a show for years with Karen Kingston,
Speaker 3: who's a Pfizer whistleblower, and we dive deep into AI
Speaker 3: and all the all the and she brings all the
Speaker 3: receipts and all the patents and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But we talked about one time that this combination of
Speaker 3: human biology with technology, and especially when we're talking about
Speaker 3: AI and quantum computing, this would be the first time
Speaker 3: in world history, going all the way back to Genesis six,
Speaker 3: when you dealt with the Nephilim, that you would have
Speaker 3: human biology combined with something else, something other than human biology,
Speaker 3: and so this is almost a re reincarnation of Genesis six,
Speaker 3: where you have the combination of the fallen angels with
Speaker 3: human beings creating the nephiline, but now they're facilitating it
Speaker 3: with technology. And it's crazy when you think about Everybody's like, Jeff,
Speaker 3: you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. What the heck? What's going on?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all the evidence is pointing to this,
Speaker 3: and so you know, all I can do is continue
Speaker 3: to research and sound the alarm as best as they can.
Speaker 3: But it's terrifying when you start diving into the science
Speaker 3: behind what they're actually trying to accomplidze.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of these waters here. Yesterday I
Speaker 2: was also discussing deeper possibilities with the spiritual aspects of this,
Speaker 2: and I had said that, so, if God created man
Speaker 2: and his image, and God is flawless and perfect, and
Speaker 2: man didn't turn out that great, we're pretty much a
Speaker 2: shit show right now. But now we're trying to create
Speaker 2: something in our image. What does that mean for our
Speaker 2: creation here? What does that behavior going to be?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Well, we can already see it's displaying signs of deception.
Speaker 2: They're lying to us, They have self preservation, trying to
Speaker 2: avoid being turned off. I heard a experiment that these
Speaker 2: developers were doing with the SIMS game, creating some kind
Speaker 2: of AI agents that would mimic humanity in different ways
Speaker 2: than they did, but they did it in horrible ways.
Speaker 2: They started making fake religions, starting wars, killing people. So
Speaker 2: is this what we have to look forward to when
Speaker 2: it comes to AI, is that we've created some sort
Speaker 2: of demonic intelligence?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would argue yes. And even if you take
Speaker 3: out the the you take out the demonic side of things,
Speaker 3: because again, everybody will be like, Jeff, you're crazy talking
Speaker 3: about this. Okay, let's just take let's take let's take
Speaker 3: out the demonic side of things. Right. Human beings are imperfect.
Speaker 3: We've been imperfect since the beginning of time. Everybody's like, no,
Speaker 3: you're generally no, we're all sinful, fallen human beings that
Speaker 3: are messed up and have warped views and warped thoughts,
Speaker 3: and we like, we're all Every single person on Earth
Speaker 3: is imperfect. There's not a single perfect person alive today
Speaker 3: right now that that is actually perfect. So when you
Speaker 3: when you look at our creations, our creations are always
Speaker 3: going to be imperfect. There's never going to be a
Speaker 3: perfect creation. So when you're looking at the morality of
Speaker 3: you know, let's say artificial intelligence, everybody's coming at this
Speaker 3: from from a warped worldview. I mean, I mean Elon
Speaker 3: Musk has has how many kids with how many different
Speaker 3: baby mamas? I don't think you know, it's like coming
Speaker 3: like it's it's like he's trying to, you know, repopulate
Speaker 3: the earth all by himself. And you know they're all
Speaker 3: crossing over, different girls pregnant at different times, you know,
Speaker 3: all cross It's like that's I don't think anybody would
Speaker 3: say that that's the most moral thing to do. And
Speaker 3: so when we're looking at okay, so how are you
Speaker 3: going to how are you going to write morality into
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence? Because artificial intelligence is going to have a
Speaker 3: very significant impact on our morals and on our ethics
Speaker 3: and on our laws and the implementation of all of that. Well,
Speaker 3: who's writing the code. That's what all of this comes
Speaker 3: back to. Who's writing it. And you could make the argument, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's find let's say we find the most perfect human
Speaker 3: being on the planet to write the code. Okay, great,
Speaker 3: what happens when when that guy retires, and then the
Speaker 3: next guy comes in and he's he's the worst human
Speaker 3: being known to mankind. And now he starts writing his
Speaker 3: morality into the code. What happens? Then that's what we
Speaker 3: have to be concerned about. There's there's an old show
Speaker 3: called Once Upon a Time that was on ABC that
Speaker 3: where they basically took all the old Disney characters and
Speaker 3: it was like live action, you know, you know series,
Speaker 3: and you'd see all the Disney characters in there and
Speaker 3: all that. Well, there's one there's one centralized character called
Speaker 3: Rumpelstiltskin in there, and he was kind of like the
Speaker 3: central magic kind of kind of guy. And the thing
Speaker 3: that he always warned people about about using magic was
Speaker 3: he always says magic always comes at a price. The
Speaker 3: question is what is that price? And so we can
Speaker 3: apply that to a lot of this technology and transhumanism
Speaker 3: and artificial intelligence. Is that all of these things are
Speaker 3: going to come at a price. It's all going to
Speaker 3: come at a cost. The question is what does that cost?
Speaker 3: It Is it worth it? If all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we can have technology that erases basically humanity, takes away
Speaker 3: what it means to be human, and let me give
Speaker 3: you an example. Elon musk was was giving an interview
Speaker 3: to Benjamin Netanyaho a couple of years ago, and he
Speaker 3: was talking about the future of AI. Netan Yahoo was
Speaker 3: asking him, Okay, so what's the end result. Where do
Speaker 3: you see all this going? And Elon said, it's gonna
Speaker 3: go one of two places. It's either going to be
Speaker 3: Terminator where the robots take over the planet, or it's
Speaker 3: going to be Heaven on Earth. And net Yahoo's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know what Terminator looks like. We've all seen the movies.
Speaker 3: What does Heaven on Earth look like? What does that
Speaker 3: mean to you? And Elon then goes on to describe, well,
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna have to work, You'll have access to everything
Speaker 3: you know, You'll you'll have access to all information and
Speaker 3: so and so I'm sitting here and I'm looking at this,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, he's basically describing a hedonistic lifestyle where
Speaker 3: nobody has to work, nobody has to struggle, nobody has
Speaker 3: to overcome anything, and we just become all consuming blobs
Speaker 3: of flesh. We'll have well, universal basic income, We'll have
Speaker 3: food whenever, whenever, and wherever we want it. We can
Speaker 3: probably three D printed off of one of Bill Gates
Speaker 3: three D printers. You know, all of these different things,
Speaker 3: and and I'm like, that's not heaven on Earth. That's
Speaker 3: hell because basically what you're creating, you're creating a lot
Speaker 3: of really dumb, smart people that have access to all
Speaker 3: the information, but they're not actually learning how to critically think.
Speaker 3: They're not they're not they're not overcoming. Part of being
Speaker 3: human is overcoming obstacles. You know, I was an athlete.
Speaker 3: I played basketball all the way through high school, was
Speaker 3: getting recruited for college and all that. You know, one
Speaker 3: of the things that I learned long ago was was
Speaker 3: that you have to embrace losing. You have to embrace
Speaker 3: the failure because then you learn from that you figure
Speaker 3: out how do I not have that happen again? And
Speaker 3: you and then you practice. You you put in the time,
Speaker 3: you put in the effort, you put in the work
Speaker 3: so that way you get better at that. But if
Speaker 3: we take that away with AI, we're just giving everybody
Speaker 3: the easy path to just become successful. It's almost like
Speaker 3: this everybody gets a trophy syndrome, and you're like, but
Speaker 3: you're not actually helping anybody to become better you're just
Speaker 3: enabling them to basically do nothing because you're not. Nobody
Speaker 3: has to be human anymore, nobody has to think, nobody
Speaker 3: has to overcome, nobody has to struggle. That's not heaven
Speaker 3: on Earth. But that's what elon Must describes as heaven art.
Speaker 3: So that's where I go back to. It's who's writing
Speaker 3: the code, what's their worldview, what's their morality? And I
Speaker 3: don't see anybody involved in this whole AI world and
Speaker 3: pushing for all of this and transhumanism that actually has
Speaker 3: a good worldview. That's terrifying to me.
Speaker 2: Let's explore another angle of the transhumanism. Recently, RFK came
Speaker 2: out in support of vaccines. There's been a lot of
Speaker 2: brilliant people looking into the implications of what we've already
Speaker 2: put in our bodies, the technology that's in there, and
Speaker 2: this man is all of a sudden going to start
Speaker 2: supporting this.
Speaker 3: So what are your.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on that the future of these vaccines and that technology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have so so you may be able
Speaker 3: to clarify for me. So I haven't seen him come
Speaker 3: out in support of mr and A. So him come
Speaker 3: out and support of the MMR vaccine, which I was shocked.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, was it okay? So that so the
Speaker 3: mm so the MMR uh so so like with that
Speaker 3: one just a briefly touched in that one, you know,
Speaker 3: so on the MMR vaccine. And I'm saying this as
Speaker 3: a Kennedy sporter. I was, you know, close to the
Speaker 3: campaign and did everything I could to try to support
Speaker 3: him when he was when he was running so with
Speaker 3: the MMR vaccine, I think what he's doing, and I
Speaker 3: talked to doctor Pierre Corey about this the other day. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's waiting for the data and the
Speaker 3: science to come out showing from government sources and from
Speaker 3: government you know, funded research and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: saying like, look, here's the here's the adverse reactions, here's
Speaker 3: the side effects. He's never he's always said, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to ban vaccines. If you want your vaccine, you can,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna have good science in that way you
Speaker 3: can actually have true consent. I'm I'm all. I'm all
Speaker 3: for that. I was not a big, a big fan
Speaker 3: of him, you know, using the government in order to
Speaker 3: push the MMR vaccines. You know that, you know, I
Speaker 3: totally disagree with that decision. But I get where he's
Speaker 3: coming from from that perspective, but specifically with the with
Speaker 3: the m r and a this this is my problem.
Speaker 3: You know. I think it was day two of Trump's presidency.
Speaker 3: He got he got in the in the office with
Speaker 3: Sam Altman and Larry Allison. And we all know that
Speaker 3: Larry Ellison deeply tied with the CIA. The CIA basically
Speaker 3: helped him start his company, you know, and and all that.
Speaker 3: And they're talking about the Stargate program, which which is
Speaker 3: basically they're going to use m RNA too, in their words,
Speaker 3: combat cancer. They didn't secure cancer. They said, we're gonna
Speaker 3: use m RNA to combat cancer. Okay, fine, you know,
Speaker 3: you know the m RNA back, the m RNA technology
Speaker 3: was was initially you know, created back going all the back,
Speaker 3: going all the way back to the eighties in the
Speaker 3: name of cancer research. Then they applied it to COVID
Speaker 3: and other applying it to every which thing you could
Speaker 3: possibly come up with. But it's never been shown to
Speaker 3: be effective at at treating cancer. They've been they've been
Speaker 3: studying this thing for forty years and it never got
Speaker 3: past the ferret trials, and all of a sudden we're
Speaker 3: fast tracking this thing and trying to get into human beings.
Speaker 3: Why are they trying to do this? Well, there, it's
Speaker 3: always been about AI. It's always been about technology. Again,
Speaker 3: they call it m RNA technology. You know, you've you've
Speaker 3: got you know, this whole biotech world that's in Silicon
Speaker 3: value of these techies that are trying to hijack human biology.
Speaker 3: And again, this is transhumanism one a one on one.
Speaker 3: So specifically when it comes to the Stargate program, it's
Speaker 3: really interesting because not a lot of people know this
Speaker 3: is if you go back a few decades, the CIA
Speaker 3: had what they called Operation Stargate. So okay, so we
Speaker 3: know for a fact, look it up. CIA had Operation Stargate.
Speaker 3: What was that? That was where they were doing remote viewing.
Speaker 3: You know, there was the movie with George Clooney that
Speaker 3: the men who stare at goats. Basically, what they were
Speaker 3: doing is they is they were getting you know, humans
Speaker 3: to be able to do remote viewing. So that way
Speaker 3: they their goal was to be able to spy on
Speaker 3: our enemies and other people around the world without actually
Speaker 3: having to physically have a spy in there. Okay, great,
Speaker 3: so they're you're they're doing. You're they were using human
Speaker 3: beings in order to do remote viewing. So now all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, then they come out Larry Elson, again
Speaker 3: deeply tied with the CIA, intertwined with them, coming out
Speaker 3: with this new stargate program. Okay, well, why would they
Speaker 3: name it the same thing that the CIA did when
Speaker 3: he has direct ties with the CIA. Well, it's because
Speaker 3: instead of doing remote viewing from a human perspective, they're
Speaker 3: doing viewing from a technology perspective. And so we know
Speaker 3: that mRNA has the ability and their technology has the
Speaker 3: ability to communicate outside the body. Why do you think
Speaker 3: they set up all the five G towers and in
Speaker 3: the middle of COVID nineteen, you know, you dive into
Speaker 3: all of that. You're looking at this. Okay, so now
Speaker 3: they you're gonna have two way conversation inside of your
Speaker 3: body where the m R and A technology. They're gonna
Speaker 3: have nano robots that are inside of your body and
Speaker 3: your bloodstream and all that that's gonna be able to see,
Speaker 3: you know, check your genetic code inside of your body,
Speaker 3: communicate outside. There's also there's also the ability you can
Speaker 3: look up the patterns. There's the ability to where they
Speaker 3: can have the basically nanobots that are that are inside
Speaker 3: of your body that they could then send to different
Speaker 3: parts to actually fix you know, your genetic structure, comparing
Speaker 3: you know, your cancer cells with your healthy cells and
Speaker 3: then fixing your genetic sequences and all that. I'm like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: that all sounds great. But again, going back to what
Speaker 3: ruppel Stiltskin said in that show Once upon a Time,
Speaker 3: magic always comes at a price. What's the price you
Speaker 3: are giving somebody else complete control without your consent to
Speaker 3: actually affect your body. Now, think about this. If there
Speaker 3: is the ability to connect in two way conversation that
Speaker 3: nanotechnology that's inside of your body to let's say a
Speaker 3: supercomputer through five G outside of your body. Okay, anything
Speaker 3: that's connected to the Internet is hackable. This is why
Speaker 3: I caution everybody don't jump on the neurallink bandwagon, because
Speaker 3: you know, if you have this brain ship in your brain,
Speaker 3: well it's gonna be connected to the internet. If they
Speaker 3: have the ability to erase memories and replace them with
Speaker 3: new ones and that and that brainship is connected to
Speaker 3: the internet, what's to stop a really smart, intelligent hacker
Speaker 3: from hacking that brain ship? And then replacing your memory
Speaker 3: with a new one, and you would never know because
Speaker 3: your memory was erased and wiped out. Now what happens
Speaker 3: if you're inside of your body. Think about the control
Speaker 3: that the government or anybody would have if they have
Speaker 3: access to that. Well, all of a sudden, now you're
Speaker 3: sitting there and you're like, okay, I'm going going about
Speaker 3: my day. I got my mRNA fifty ninth injection of
Speaker 3: this technology in my body, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: they're like, okay, well you know if you if you
Speaker 3: don't do this, well, guess that's what you know, We're
Speaker 3: going to change your genetic structure. Or even think about this,
Speaker 3: think about the power that big Pharma would have where
Speaker 3: we always know that they create the problems and then
Speaker 3: come out with the solutions. So now they do a
Speaker 3: slight little tweak. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's not intentional,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, everybody starts getting this new
Speaker 3: chronic disease. Well guess what. Then big Farmer comes in like, well,
Speaker 3: we've got the solution. Here's another mr and a injection
Speaker 3: that'll come in here and then fix this genitic structure.
Speaker 3: And now you're fixed. Oh, well, there's a byproduct of that,
Speaker 3: there's a side effect of that. It's a never ending cycle.
Speaker 3: So who are we giving control and power to with
Speaker 3: this kind of technology and this kind of capability? And
Speaker 3: these are the ethics that nobody seems to be really
Speaker 3: thinking through on this scale that we've really got to
Speaker 3: set up the guardrails. And it's really interesting because during
Speaker 3: the Transhumanism summit that we held with PICKACS a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, we had Senator Ron Johnson on there and
Speaker 3: we were asking him like, well, what are the things
Speaker 3: that we can do about this? And the hard part
Speaker 3: about this is, and I love Senator Johnson, He's done
Speaker 3: some amazing work, but also he's like, I'm just asking
Speaker 3: the questions. He's like, I don't have all the answers.
Speaker 3: I'll say, well, we've been asking these questions for years now.
Speaker 3: We actually need a solution. What are the guard rails
Speaker 3: to actually actually protect our civil liberties? What can we
Speaker 3: do in order to ensure that mRNA technology is not
Speaker 3: shedding onto somebody who doesn't consent to having that inside
Speaker 3: their body. What are we going to do to protect
Speaker 3: our individual rights that are given to us by God?
Speaker 3: And it seems like nobody in politics is actually equipped
Speaker 3: or cares enough to actually set up legislation in order
Speaker 3: to protect our individual rights. And so that means all
Speaker 3: these technology companies are just going, hey, you know, going
Speaker 3: crazy developing all this technology, and it's we're messing with
Speaker 3: human biology, We're messing with what it means to be human.
Speaker 3: That this is terrifying when we actually dive into this,
Speaker 3: and we've got to figure out what can we do
Speaker 3: to at least stop it or protect our rights moving forward.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder if these Silicone Valley tech nerds
Speaker 2: and elon types are already in a sense being led
Speaker 2: by the technology, being led by the programming. Maybe they
Speaker 2: got so deep into their technological interests that they connected
Speaker 2: to that darkness, and now it's leading them in certain
Speaker 2: directions and they can't see what's outside of that. They
Speaker 2: can't see the other side of it, and they think
Speaker 2: it's going to be all beneficial, when in reality, they
Speaker 2: don't have any idea what your average human goes through
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, so they're disconnected to that and
Speaker 2: they try and implement these strange things that they believe in,
Speaker 2: but they're just bringing the rest of the world towards
Speaker 2: this dystopia.
Speaker 3: Now it's it's it's a it's a great point. And
Speaker 3: I think there's kind of kind of two things when
Speaker 3: it comes to that. I think I think the problem
Speaker 3: number one with a lot of these guys, you know,
Speaker 3: and this goes for gumut figures. And then also I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, CEOs of these big corporations and
Speaker 3: big tech CEOs and all that kind of stuff, is
Speaker 3: that they become separated from reality and that and that
Speaker 3: that all their decisions come down to statistics and analytics
Speaker 3: and and what's good for the greater good, which is
Speaker 3: antithetical to everything about what America is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Where it's about our individual sovereignty. It's not about what's
Speaker 3: what's for the greater good. The government's job is not
Speaker 3: to do what's good for the greater good of everybody
Speaker 3: as a whole. It's about what's best how to protect
Speaker 3: your individual rights that are given to you by God.
Speaker 3: That's what our federal government is tasked with in the
Speaker 3: in the in our founding documents. But again everybody's forgotten
Speaker 3: that that that also goes for these big tech CEOs
Speaker 3: where they're where they're like, well, statistically that this will
Speaker 3: be a net positive in this specific area. Okay, but
Speaker 3: what about all these other people that are going to
Speaker 3: be negatively harmed by this. It's like they don't matter
Speaker 3: because they're in the minority. That's not how this system
Speaker 3: is supposed to work. So so there's that side of
Speaker 3: things that we always have to be careful about. But
Speaker 3: then what you said about you know, these guys that
Speaker 3: are giving them basically giving themselves over to the darkness
Speaker 3: in the Bible, it's you know, when the Bible describes
Speaker 3: Satan uh he they describe they describe him as somebody
Speaker 3: who's appealing, almost like an angel of light. I think
Speaker 3: the way that we depict him in movies is that
Speaker 3: he's some evil, ugly red being where it's obvious this
Speaker 3: is this is the devil. It's like, no, he's gonna
Speaker 3: come by as a very handsome, smooth talking, very likable
Speaker 3: kind of a person. You know. The Bible predicts in
Speaker 3: the book Revelation that the anti crisis is gonna come
Speaker 3: and establishes one world government and actually bring peace on earth.
Speaker 3: He's gonna do it because he's a smooth talker. He's
Speaker 3: gonna do it because everybody likes the guy. Everybody he's
Speaker 3: going to. The Bible says he's even going to deceive
Speaker 3: the elect So when you're looking at this, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so Satan that the darkness is actually gonna be somebody
Speaker 3: that's pretty likable, pretty convincing, pretty manipulative to get you
Speaker 3: to actually believe, no, this is what's best for everybody.
Speaker 3: And so that's where again I go back to I
Speaker 3: think there's some people that are supervillains. I would say
Speaker 3: that Bill Gates is definitely super villain when it comes
Speaker 3: to somebody like like an Elon Musk or I could
Speaker 3: even argue like a Sam Altman or some of these guys.
Speaker 3: I think they really believe that what they're doing is right,
Speaker 3: but they've been deceived. There's this term the useful idiot,
Speaker 3: where you have these guys has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: their intelligence, but they're being unknowingly used for sinister purposes
Speaker 3: by somebody else. I would say that that's probably what's
Speaker 3: happening with guys like Elon Musk and all of that,
Speaker 3: where they're being used by dark forces unknowingly because they've
Speaker 3: got a warped worldview and they're not grounded in truth.
Speaker 3: They're not grounded in, you know, as a Christian in
Speaker 3: biblical truth. So they're being deceived by dark forces, and
Speaker 3: so they're doing what they think is best for everybody
Speaker 3: when a reality. This is the funny thing Elon Musk,
Speaker 3: For all the crap that he gives the World Economic
Speaker 3: Forum and all in Klaus Schwab and all these globalists
Speaker 3: and all that, he's developing the technology that they need
Speaker 3: to usher in the one world government that they're trying
Speaker 3: to push in. So what's actually going on here? Is
Speaker 3: he deceiving us or is he being deceived by somebody else?
Speaker 3: I would say he's probably being deceived by somebody else.
Speaker 3: But still the end result is the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: What would you think a society governed by AI would
Speaker 2: look like as far as if it took over the
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies, our corporate industries manufacturing things like that, as
Speaker 2: well as police forces law enforcement. Hollywood's, like you said,
Speaker 2: has done a pretty good job of indicating what those
Speaker 2: types of futures are like, where a drone could take
Speaker 2: you out if it believes you're about to commit a crime.
Speaker 2: So these things have already been portrayed, but a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't realize we're a lot closer to that
Speaker 2: than most would want to think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I always say, like if they
Speaker 3: end up getting their goal, it's basically communism. I mean
Speaker 3: like like when when you actually look at what the
Speaker 3: end result of what AI would be, it's this like
Speaker 3: emotionless uh, deciding about what what's quote unquote greater for
Speaker 3: the common good, what's going to be best in order
Speaker 3: to make sure that we don't have chaos that they
Speaker 3: that they hold onto power, they hold under control. Well,
Speaker 3: what what is that? That's communism. That's basically where the
Speaker 3: government's going to give you everything that you that that
Speaker 3: the government deems that you need. You know that they're
Speaker 3: they're already talking about that that they would use AI.
Speaker 3: And this is another concern that I have with like
Speaker 3: cryptocurrencies and blockchain and all that kind of stuff, is
Speaker 3: that now every every single thing that you do will
Speaker 3: be documented. You're and you know, and they're gonna have
Speaker 3: oversight over everything you do. And then they're in like
Speaker 3: Larry Ellison will say, is well, if if you're not
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong, you have nothing to be concerned about. Okay,
Speaker 3: well that's great, but what what who decides what's wrong,
Speaker 3: who decides what's right? And and so, now if they're
Speaker 3: documenting every single little thing that you do, obviously through transactions,
Speaker 3: maybe through behavior, maybe with where you're going. Maybe you're
Speaker 3: going to visit this one store. Wait, wait, a little
Speaker 3: little too much. You should be spending money over there,
Speaker 3: because they're affecting the quote unquote climate, Like you start
Speaker 3: diving at all these things. Now they're gonna have complete
Speaker 3: control over everything. And so if they're giving you universal
Speaker 3: basic income, and guess what you're you're you know you are,
Speaker 3: you are reliant upon ai are government for everything that
Speaker 3: you need, and all of a sudden, like, well, look
Speaker 3: we don't like what you're doing here, Well maybe they're
Speaker 3: gonna cut you off. You know, maybe instead of people
Speaker 3: being debanked, they're gonna be completely defunded. You're not gonna
Speaker 3: have access to money, You're not gonna have access to
Speaker 3: any of this kind of stuff. So this is really
Speaker 3: where it's very concerning the kind of power that they
Speaker 3: would have. But really what they're actually saying is that
Speaker 3: they're going to implement communism because we're gonna be completely
Speaker 3: reliant upon them. They're gonna make all the decisions. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be this emotionless, you know, humanless deciding power that's
Speaker 3: gonna make all the decisions for what's best for the society.
Speaker 3: But are they actually taking everything into consideration, consideration where
Speaker 3: they programmed to consider the difference between what's happening in
Speaker 3: the cities versus what's happening in rural America versus what's
Speaker 3: happening in suburbia with men versus women. You know, who
Speaker 3: decides what's gonna happen, you know, in all these different places.
Speaker 3: It's really it's really concerning the future if AI does
Speaker 3: take over and starts making all of these decisions, because
Speaker 3: it's like now, all of a sudden, it's these robots,
Speaker 3: possibly controlled by demonic forces, and guess what, human beings
Speaker 3: have no more saying we have no recourse. How do
Speaker 3: you have recourse against a robot? You don't. That's the reality.
Speaker 2: One other thing I wanted to get to. Shows like
Speaker 2: this are now at the mercy of algorithms when it
Speaker 2: comes to exposure, when it comes to getting outside of
Speaker 2: any echo chambers that were locked into, it's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to grow your audience in this environment that we're in.
Speaker 2: What would you say, is the solution for that, if
Speaker 2: there is any if it's possible to divert the course
Speaker 2: that we're on it when it comes to independent content
Speaker 2: creation and dependent media things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I mean that. That's really the main reason
Speaker 3: why I ended up building pickaxes, because because I see
Speaker 3: what they're doing with the algorithms, and they've made it
Speaker 3: very difficult for anybody, to anybody to really grow because
Speaker 3: now what you're doing, you're not you're not posting content.
Speaker 3: If you're doing if you're doing it right, you're not
Speaker 3: posting content for the benefit of human beings. Like, human
Speaker 3: beings don't decide whether you go viral or not. It's
Speaker 3: the algorithm. So now you have to play the algorithm game.
Speaker 3: You're not playing the human game, right. And so I've
Speaker 3: talked to a lot of a lot of creators that
Speaker 3: are like on Instagram right, And the more that I've
Speaker 3: been to Instagram, I'm like, you guys have no idea.
Speaker 3: There's so many content creators have built their businesses on Instagram.
Speaker 3: They used to get sponsorship deals, they got all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Well then all of a sudden, they change their algorithms
Speaker 3: and they're only promoting you know people that they deem
Speaker 3: as you know, a quote unquote trusted source, typically somebody
Speaker 3: in the mainstream media, a celebrity, maybe somebody's got millions
Speaker 3: of followers all that, But if you're trying to grow,
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to grow. I saw one statistic that
Speaker 3: if if you post a post on Instagram, and it
Speaker 3: will only allow up to three percent of your audience
Speaker 3: to see any one individual post of yours. So if
Speaker 3: you want the other ninety seven percent of the people
Speaker 3: that have said I want to see this person's content,
Speaker 3: you have to pay to promote your content. And to
Speaker 3: the people that already follow you, that's completely like unethical
Speaker 3: in my opinion. You earned your audience, they should be
Speaker 3: able to see your content equally across the board. So
Speaker 3: what we're doing with Pickax specifically, is we're taking all
Speaker 3: this algorithmic manipulation out of the equation and we're making
Speaker 3: it to where if somebody follows you, they have equal
Speaker 3: access to you and everybody else that they follow. To me,
Speaker 3: that's the easiest, most fair way of doing things. And
Speaker 3: then it's all based upon human engagement. Are they liking
Speaker 3: your stuff, are they engaging with your content? Are they
Speaker 3: doing all of that, and so what we're trying to
Speaker 3: do is we're trying to give creators and users more
Speaker 3: direct access to each other. We're not messing with algorithms.
Speaker 3: It's completely content and opinion based, you know, neutral algorithms
Speaker 3: and all of that. But then also too, we're developing
Speaker 3: the ability for you to have like an email newsletter
Speaker 3: as a content creator, to the people that choose that
Speaker 3: they want to receive emails from you, you can have
Speaker 3: direct access to them as well, let them know anytime
Speaker 3: you come out with a new show. All that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. We're trying to find more ways to help
Speaker 3: content creators monetize more effectively, more efficiently built into the platform.
Speaker 3: One of the other, really in my opinion, sinister things
Speaker 3: that's really affected a lot of content creators is that
Speaker 3: all these platforms they downplay outbound links in their algorithm.
Speaker 3: So if you post a link to your Rumble show
Speaker 3: or to an advertiser, then they're gonna make it to
Speaker 3: where even less people actually see that content because they
Speaker 3: want to keep people in their in their own little ecosystem. Well,
Speaker 3: that's great for the platform, but it sucks for the
Speaker 3: content creator. Well, and Elon Musk's response is, well, we're
Speaker 3: offering a revenue share model. Oh great, Well I can't.
Speaker 3: I was talking with a friend of mine. He used
Speaker 3: to make twenty grand a month through social media because
Speaker 3: he would have advertisers, he would do his show, he
Speaker 3: would do all that, he would send people to his
Speaker 3: website because he'd be writing articles, he'd have ads on there,
Speaker 3: the whole deal. Well, guess what now, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden cuts that out because you can't promote anything off platform.
Speaker 3: And so then what you do is you try to
Speaker 3: play the revenue share model game right, try to get
Speaker 3: millions of impressions. You try to do all this, Well,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, your revenue goes from twenty grand
Speaker 3: a month down to two grand a month because you
Speaker 3: can only rely on Elon Musk for your revenue and
Speaker 3: you're not really making that much money. So what we're
Speaker 3: trying to do is we're trying to open this back up.
Speaker 3: If you want to post an outbound link on Pickax, great,
Speaker 3: you can do that. I feel like I can build
Speaker 3: loyalty to our platform by doing what's best for the creator,
Speaker 3: and then they'll be loyal to They'll be loyal to
Speaker 3: pick Axe because guess what, we're trying to help you succeed.
Speaker 3: And then we also additionally have built in revenue share models.
Speaker 3: It built into the platform, and we're going to develop
Speaker 3: even more opportunities for people to generate revenue because that's
Speaker 3: going to be one of the most important things if
Speaker 3: we want more people that to be independent journalists and
Speaker 3: investigative reporters. And I don't even just want that to
Speaker 3: be on dealing with politics. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 3: was talking, I'm talking with a guy who's like a
Speaker 3: bigfoot hunter. I want this guy to be able to
Speaker 3: fund himself and go out there and flipping fine bigfoot
Speaker 3: out in the middle of the woods. You know. It's
Speaker 3: like like I want that kind of stuff that's that's
Speaker 3: on the platform. But you have to have clean and
Speaker 3: fair algorithms, and you have to be able to allow
Speaker 3: content creators to monetize both off the platform independently and
Speaker 3: then as well with the revenue store. So that's really
Speaker 3: what we're doing with pick ir right on.
Speaker 2: Well, while we're on solutions, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about what we can individually do to help with everything
Speaker 2: that you were just discussing. First of all, it's very
Speaker 2: difficult for me. It seems to get people to switch platforms.
Speaker 2: They are so used to the big platforms and the
Speaker 2: ease of access, and for some reason it's difficult for
Speaker 2: them to put in a new web address into their browser,
Speaker 2: even if it's a free platform that they have just
Speaker 2: as easy access to. What do you think the solution
Speaker 2: for this is to actually change people's understanding of what
Speaker 2: is happening here and how they're not supporting the right
Speaker 2: things by interacting with this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think and I've been thinking a lot about
Speaker 3: this because it's a difficult switch, you know, because it's
Speaker 3: like equal with building pickocks. It's a difficult switch because
Speaker 3: we have the ability to write articles directly on the platform.
Speaker 3: So we've got a whole host of people that are
Speaker 3: writing articles and all that. But if they share the
Speaker 3: article onto let's say X, well X is going to
Speaker 3: downplay that outbound link to send people over to pick acts, right.
Speaker 3: So so to me, I think that a really effective
Speaker 3: way is to get is to get buy in from
Speaker 3: from the creators and for them to say like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do my show and then uh, you know,
Speaker 3: come over, come over to pick ax and follow me
Speaker 3: and maybe I'll put some exclusive content over there, watch
Speaker 3: a show I'm going to engage with with the comments
Speaker 3: exclusively on Pickaxe, you know, things like that. And again
Speaker 3: I'm not just trying to turn this into a self promotion,
Speaker 3: but it's one of those things where it's like we
Speaker 3: have to figure out and realize that all these platforms Facebook,
Speaker 3: you know, X, Instagram, all that they're dangling the carrot
Speaker 3: of of influence, they're dangling the carrot of revenue, they're
Speaker 3: dangling the carrot of you know, quote unquote going viral.
Speaker 3: So everybody keeps going back to these platforms that are
Speaker 3: screwing them because they're playing with the opportunity to maybe
Speaker 3: possibly have a viral post that will make me a
Speaker 3: lot of money. Okay, cool, Well why not just go
Speaker 3: go to another platform where you actually kind of control
Speaker 3: everything over everything, where if you earn your audience, you
Speaker 3: earned your audience, they're gonna have equal access to you.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna mess with that. You have direct access
Speaker 3: to your audience, You're gonna be able to monetize, You're
Speaker 3: gonna be able to send people to your advertisers, send
Speaker 3: people off site to watch your show. You can actually
Speaker 3: embed easily your shows on Rumble, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
Speaker 3: on pickax as if it's native to the platform to
Speaker 3: where people can listen right there. We're gonna find more
Speaker 3: innovative ways in order to incorporate that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I think it's gonna take people realizing
Speaker 3: that they have to get out of the hamster wheel
Speaker 3: and get out and get onto a platform that's actually
Speaker 3: built in order for you to thrive, for you to succeed,
Speaker 3: as opposed to keep going back to where they're dangling
Speaker 3: the carrot, but they never actually quite let you catch
Speaker 3: the carrot. That's that's the thing that we have to
Speaker 3: get people to realize and understand percent.
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts and what lies for the future of
Speaker 2: Picksax and the things that you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, honestly, one of my biggest things is
Speaker 3: just think for yourself and and for me, I had
Speaker 3: to take a step back several years ago and I
Speaker 3: had to do a lot of you know, self, you know,
Speaker 3: reflection on you know, on my worldview, how do I think?
Speaker 3: Who am I relying on the whole deal, because because
Speaker 3: it's like am I am I? Am I spouting this
Speaker 3: position or this idea or this belief system because this
Speaker 3: is what I was told by somebody else, is because
Speaker 3: I actually believe it. And so so I started, you know,
Speaker 3: rethinking things and and you know, started thinking through each
Speaker 3: things and each of the issues. And that's where I
Speaker 3: always I got to the point to where I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I just have to look at each thing individually, and
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not loyal to any one person and
Speaker 3: I'm not anti anyone person. I'm just looking at things like, Okay,
Speaker 3: is this right or is this wrong? And then I'll
Speaker 3: let God do the judging of the of the people
Speaker 3: and all that. But I'm looking at the I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the issues, and I think if we can look
Speaker 3: more at the issues as opposed to the personality, I
Speaker 3: think that's gonna be phenomenal. I think that's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: And that's why with PICKAX, we're leaning heavily into long
Speaker 3: form content as well the ability to write articles. I
Speaker 3: want people posting shows. I want long form conversations just
Speaker 3: like this, because this is where you actually really hash
Speaker 3: in to the details and the new ones and get
Speaker 3: people to really rethink their positions. You hear somebody that
Speaker 3: you disagree with, don't just try to attack them. Do
Speaker 3: some self reflection, say well, did they make an interesting argument?
Speaker 3: Do I need to rethink something, maybe I need to
Speaker 3: tweak something, or maybe I'm just reaffirmed to what I
Speaker 3: already believe because they didn't make a compelling argument. That's
Speaker 3: how we should be thinking through things. And so when
Speaker 3: it comes to pickacs specifically, you know, right now, we're
Speaker 3: a web based, you know platform. You guys can go
Speaker 3: to pickaxs dot comuny guests and sign up. We've got
Speaker 3: a lot of phenomenal you know, creators that are already
Speaker 3: on there. We get Anne Vandersteel, Shannon Joy, Matt Couch,
Speaker 3: Jera Madjuski, who who ran for you know, Congress. We've
Speaker 3: got a whole Rachel Alexander's a phenomenal writer, a journalist
Speaker 3: that's on there. She's posting you know, her articles there
Speaker 3: every single day. So you guys can actually go over
Speaker 3: there to pickaxs dot communists and sign up. Enjoy freedom
Speaker 3: of speech and freedom of reach, you know, earn your
Speaker 3: audience all that. But we're gonna be rolling out an
Speaker 3: app here very soon that'll be on all smartphones and
Speaker 3: it'll be like the only truly free speech social media
Speaker 3: app that will actually be on your phone. We've got
Speaker 3: a new, in innovative way of doing that to where
Speaker 3: Apple will approve us, but we don't have to actually
Speaker 3: sensor your content. So it's gonna be really really cool
Speaker 3: from that standpoint. But but then also we're going to
Speaker 3: be rolling out a substex style email newsletter feature that
Speaker 3: will be coming out in the next you know, a
Speaker 3: couple of months. We're beginning to do some beta testing
Speaker 3: on that one as well. But we're just going to
Speaker 3: do everything we can to use technology to figure out
Speaker 3: how to build up human beings. I want to hear
Speaker 3: your thoughts. I don't want to hear what a robot says.
Speaker 3: I want to hear your thoughts. So we're going to
Speaker 3: find as many different ways that we can use technology
Speaker 3: to help boost you and amplify you. And I think
Speaker 3: is as we go along, more people are going to
Speaker 3: see the benefit to a platform like pickats as opposed
Speaker 3: to these other platforms that are more manipulative, and all
Speaker 3: they're trying to do is harvest your data in order
Speaker 3: to advertise to you more and have more control, have
Speaker 3: more power, generate more revenue. And one other thing too.
Speaker 3: For people that are concerned about data collection, we don't.
Speaker 3: We don't collect any data we have. We have a
Speaker 3: very innovative way that we're able to target ads without
Speaker 3: collecting your data. It's it's really cool. Instead of focusing
Speaker 3: on your behavior, I'm focusing on the content. So if
Speaker 3: somebody's posting an article about about you know, health, the
Speaker 3: guess what we're gonna We're gonna push some of like
Speaker 3: things like the wellness company or or an organic coffee
Speaker 3: company on that content. So well, it's content based as
Speaker 3: opposed to database. I think that's a much more efficient
Speaker 3: way and a much more honest way of doing advertising.
Speaker 3: Instead of me stalking you everywhere you go on the
Speaker 3: Internet and then targeting ads based upon your phone conversations
Speaker 3: that you're having with your friends because you're listening on
Speaker 3: listening on their phone call. I'm just like, Okay, look,
Speaker 3: you know somebody's posting about let's say, election fraud. Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll do a MyPillow ad. Cool. Because people that
Speaker 3: are interested in electtion fraudl are also interested in supporting
Speaker 3: Mike Lindell. It's like things like that. I think we're
Speaker 3: a much more innovative way of doing things without being
Speaker 3: invasive and violating your privacy and your rights and all that,
Speaker 3: so that that's really what we're doing. But I highly
Speaker 3: encourage you guys, guys check out Pickax dot com, p
Speaker 3: I c k a X dot com. I'm on there
Speaker 3: posting all the all day long, so make sure you
Speaker 3: guys over there too.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Jeff, this is fantastic information. I love what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I'll have your links in the description one more time.
Speaker 2: If people want to find out more about you anything
Speaker 2: you're doing, is Pickaxe the best place for them to go?
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, Pickax dot com is the best place to go.
Speaker 3: You guys can also find me on Rumble. I've got
Speaker 3: a podcast network that Matt Couch and I started called
Speaker 3: Maverick Broadcasting Network. I post all of my shows over there,
Speaker 3: as well as a whole bunch of other shows from
Speaker 3: like Anne Vandersteele and Two Mikes and Bob and Eric
Speaker 3: Save America. A whole bunch of great shows over there.
Speaker 3: So just look at Maverick Broadcasting Network. My most recent,
Speaker 3: most most recent shows, I had Senator Ron Johnson on.
Speaker 3: I had Doctor Pierre Corey, Doctor Mary Tally Bowden on
Speaker 3: the show. And then actually this weekend, I'm going out
Speaker 3: to Rochester, New York, speaking at the at the Summit
Speaker 3: for Truth, uh you know summit that's out there. It's
Speaker 3: with doctor Pierre Corey, Mary Holland, who's the CEO of
Speaker 3: Children's Health Defense, Shannon Joys putting it on. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be a phenomenal summit. It'll be live streamed on pickaxs,
Speaker 3: So if you guys go to pickax dot com, it'll
Speaker 3: be right there at the top of the page all
Speaker 3: days on Saturday, and I'll be speaking there talking about
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that we're talking about today,
Speaker 3: so make sure guys are tuning into that as all.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Jeff, thank you so much. Definitely love to do
Speaker 2: this again. There's much more we can get into. And
Speaker 2: until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening. We'll talk
Speaker 2: again tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We'll see y'all. Then.
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