WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.719 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.719 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.320 that people are going to have to talk about how 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.119 weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what 5 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:19.079 the hell is going on. It's not enough to say 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.519 it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts. 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.679 The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, 8 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:34.520 possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.479 to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.359 the forces that have been unleashed. 11 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.560 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew. 12 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.119 Today my guest is Jeff Dornick. First, be sure to 13 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:56.159 rent or purchase Doors of Perception right now from our website. 14 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.960 Go to Forbidden Knowledge dot news or click the link 15 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.479 right in the description. It will also soon be available 16 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.920 on streaming platforms. We are booking guests for June. If 17 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.200 you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest, 18 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:13.200 email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail dot com and be 19 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.200 sure to check out our website to get access to 20 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:20.120 all the amazing podcasts and content creators we feature on 21 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:24.120 the Forbidden Knowledge Network. Today, I want to welcome Jeff Dornick. 22 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.680 He is founder and CEO of Pickax, a social media 23 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.920 platform dedicated to freedom of speech and freedom of reach. 24 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:37.200 He is co founder of Maverick Broadcasting Network and hosts 25 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.200 The Jeff Dornick Show. He has co authored two books, 26 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:46.519 Church and State and Social Injustice. Jeff, welcome, How you. 27 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.359 Doing doing pretty good? Thanks for having me on the show. 28 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.680 Thanks for coming on very much. Looking forward to this 29 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.799 important discussion. We're going to talk about the critical crossroads 30 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:01.239 we're at when it comes to technology, that we are 31 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.840 entering an era of AI, governance, industry, and possibly military 32 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:11.879 and law enforcement. Many are also choosing to ignore the 33 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:18.960 obvious march towards dystopia and the transhumanist mRNA nightmare that 34 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.280 these guys are cheering for. But if you don't see 35 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.199 it by now, I'm not sure what else to tell you. 36 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.560 We're going to discuss a lot of that today, so 37 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:29.439 I'm really looking forward to getting your insights. This is 38 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.800 your first time on though, tell us a little bit 39 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.120 more about yourself and what brought you to what you're doing. 40 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.280 Yeah, definitely, no, I appreciate, you know again for having 41 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.439 me on and all that I you know, for you know, 42 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:44.960 going back all the way to probably twenty twenty twenty 43 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.240 twenty one, I've hosted a show called The John Thornick 44 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.759 Show where I've interviewed anybody and everybody'll that'll come on. 45 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:55.120 I try, you know, it's mostly conservative, center right, you 46 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:58.080 know type people that come on the show. I try 47 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.560 to get a wide variety of people. So I've definitely 48 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.639 had some interesting, interesting conversations everybody from you know, politicians 49 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:09.199 to you know, had Senator Ron Johnson On've interviewed Nicole Shanahan, 50 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.520 you know, all the way down to interviewing bigfoot experts 51 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:14.080 and all that kind of stuff. So it's a wide 52 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.599 range of people that'll come on the show. But during 53 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:19.960 the midst of all the craziness when it came to COVID, 54 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:24.000 I interviewed some controversial figures. Ended up getting permanently suspended 55 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:28.199 from Twitter for talking to a black conservative who was 56 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.199 running for Senate out in Illinois about why the African 57 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.439 American community was so hesitant to get vaccinated, and he 58 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.159 brought up the Teskegee experiments. Well, Twitter didn't like that, 59 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.479 and they felt like that was promoting a vaccine hesitance, 60 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.120 even though all I did was just to ask the question, 61 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.240 and they permanently submitted, permanently suspended me. Obviously, when Elon 62 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:45.879 came back, a lot of us were allowed back on 63 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.039 the platform. But I began to see the writing on 64 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.400 the wall when I started looking at Okay, what are 65 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.240 the terms and conditions, what are the policies, who is 66 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.080 he hiring, what's going on? And I saw he's talking 67 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.759 about a free speech platform. But I don't feel like 68 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.840 that's actually what he's doing here. And it's panned out 69 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.080 that I was right the entire time. So what they 70 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.319 ended up doing is implementing a policy called freedom of 71 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.000 speech but not freedom of reach, which means you're technically 72 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.719 allowed to say whatever you want, but they don't have 73 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:13.680 to allow anybody to see it, you know. And so 74 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:15.960 I always say, it's the equivalent of, you know, if 75 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:17.759 he set up a he set up a stage in 76 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.759 the middle of a New York Times Square with with 77 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.680 a sound system, speakers, and said we're gon have a 78 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.240 free speech event. Get up on stage, say whatever the 79 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.720 heck you want, and then you get up there and 80 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.199 start talking. He doesn't like what you say and hits 81 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.319 the mute button and then you know, doesn't allow anybody 82 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:31.480 to hear it, and you're like, dude, I thought this 83 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:33.199 was free speech. It's like, you can say whatever you want. 84 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:34.959 It doesn't mean I have to allow anybody to hear it. 85 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.399 That's basically what's happening. And so what I ended up 86 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.560 doing got an investor, I got a phenomenal tech team together, 87 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.839 and we ended up building our own social media platform 88 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:44.959 that is truly free speech, and we say, you get 89 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.759 freedom of speech and freedom of reach. And our entire 90 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.600 mission is to bring back the First Amendment within the 91 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.079 confines of a social media platform. And then we're also 92 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.879 helping content creators to monetize their content have more direct 93 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.839 access to their audience. You just kind of bypass a 94 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.399 lot of these problems that we've been dealing with it 95 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.800 within social media. And so, you know, we recently just 96 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:07.800 got out of our beta launch. Now we're kind of 97 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.800 in pre launch. We're developing an app as well that'll 98 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:12.360 be rolled out in the next couple of months and 99 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.199 some other really cool features. So basically my life for 100 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.120 the last couple of years is just building out this 101 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.720 social media platform and we're really kicking in the high 102 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:21.199 gear now. 103 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.879 Excellent, Well, I love what you're doing. Let's get your 104 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:28.560 thoughts on what is unfolding on as many layers as 105 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.360 we can touch on. I've checked out of the political 106 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.600 space a long time ago. I'd have no emotional attachment 107 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.720 to that, so I'm able to step back and look 108 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.839 at everything from different angles. I also approach it from 109 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.279 a spiritual perspective as well. But I think it's important 110 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.360 for us to really dissect and understand these agendas and 111 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:56.240 everything that is being put forward right now because we 112 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.240 need to know how to navigate this. What is going 113 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.800 to be for our best interest, what is not? And 114 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:08.279 there's so many deceptions when it comes to our systems 115 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.879 and the systems of governments and the people involved in 116 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:17.600 our global leaders So it's difficult to navigate sometimes, especially 117 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.920 for the past few years after COVID and everything started unfolding. 118 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.759 On top of the censorship and everything else, it's difficult 119 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.959 to sift through what's good information. So how do you 120 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:34.000 feel about how everything is unfolded, what is happening now 121 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.800 with this current administration, and what we really need to 122 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:37.920 be paying attention to. 123 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.439 Yeah, I think so. For me. And I'll just preface 124 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.079 this conversation with just saying, like I'm somebody that I 125 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.600 long time ago, I stepped away from what I call 126 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.319 team sport politics, right, So it's not about your party, 127 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.399 it's not about your candidate, it's not about an individual person. 128 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.279 I wrote a chapter I'm working on an entire book 129 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.959 right now called Following the Lead that's calling out this 130 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.360 whole idea of the cults of personality and how the 131 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.879 intelligence agencies have used this in order to manipulate the masses. 132 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.560 So it's something that I've become very concerned about, and 133 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:12.560 I want everybody to take a step back, and I 134 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.439 want people to look at things from like an issue 135 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.920 by issue basis. You know, just because you support Donald 136 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.040 Trump doesn't mean that you should support everything that he does. 137 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.000 Just because you're a Democrat doesn't mean that every single 138 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.199 thing that Donald Trump does is bad. We have to 139 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.959 look at everything and call balls and strikes and say, look, 140 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.120 this is right, this is wrong. And I think that 141 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.279 it's so easy for us to fall into the trap 142 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.519 of and this goes for anybody of saying look they're 143 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.800 all bad or they're all they're all right because of 144 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.319 one particular issue, and it's like, no, there, there's a 145 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.120 lot more nuanced all of this. So when I'm looking 146 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.439 at you know, President Trump's administration, I ended up I 147 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.639 voted for the guy, but I've also got a lot 148 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.600 of concerns about what's happening and the implementation of all 149 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:52.959 of this. And I was having a conversation with a 150 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.920 friend of mine yesterday who is who I would say 151 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.199 is probably more center left, and we're in total agreement 152 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.879 that a lot of the things that Trump talks about 153 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:01.879 are things that need to be dealt with. We need 154 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.279 to deal with with all with all the the insane 155 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.600 fraud and waste and spending and all that. But I 156 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.879 also think that the implementation of it is bad. And 157 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.439 I also think that the end result of the direction 158 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.160 that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are taking us when 159 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.519 it comes to things like DOGE, are going to be 160 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.360 very bad because of the because of the push of 161 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:25.079 implementing artificial intelligence and large language models, you know, and 162 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.920 and I and I fear that the direction that we're 163 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.319 heading is this technocracy where we're going to have these 164 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.240 you know, big tech oligarchs that are going to be 165 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.919 implementing the technology that will centralize power even more and 166 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.080 take away all the checks and balances that we do 167 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.240 have in this country. That that's the beauty about having 168 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.840 a country that's for the people and by the people, 169 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.840 is that is that we have people, We have accountability. 170 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.080 If one person violates our constitutional rights, we can prosecute them, 171 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:54.000 we can sue them, we can hold them accountable if 172 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.039 if if somebody is asked to do something that's unconstitutional 173 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.879 by the by their superior they can become a whistleblower. 174 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.399 But what happens if it's all taken over by artificial intelligence? 175 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.039 Now you're taking out that check and balance. AI isn't 176 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.200 going to become its own whistleblower. So how are we 177 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.399 going to deal with this? And so that's one of 178 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.799 the concerns that I have is that is this massive 179 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:17.159 push to implement artificial intelligence and these large language models 180 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.200 and technology that will that it seems like they're going 181 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.159 to be replacing human beings with technology which is going 182 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.320 to take away all accountability. And I don't know how 183 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.159 we're going to have a self governing society anymore when 184 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.000 you're going to have technology that can be used by 185 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:38.320 these leaders in order to centralize the power, and we're 186 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.360 going to have basically no say in it because the 187 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.279 vast majority of people don't understand code, they don't understand technology, 188 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:47.279 they don't understand algorithms. And to me, it's going to 189 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:51.000 be a massive opportunity for you know, say what you want, 190 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.080 the deep state, the powers that be, whatever you want 191 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.200 to call them, in order to take away our rights 192 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.759 and centralized control and centralized power, and we're going basically 193 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:58.759 have no recourse. 194 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.159 Well, let's stas sec that a little bit. Let's get 195 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:06.000 deeper into how that would individually affect people, how we 196 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.039 would see that rolling out. You said that there's sixty 197 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:16.919 five billion invested to develop AI, basically to replace humans 198 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:21.600 with these AI algorithms. What do you think are the 199 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.200 full implications of this that we could be facing short term, 200 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:26.960 long term? 201 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.919 Yeah, well yeah, so specifically with that, it's really interesting. 202 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.559 So Meta is investing sixty five billion dollars to develop 203 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:39.399 their artificial intelligence, but it's specifically to develop it so 204 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.919 that way they can use AI as the equivalent of 205 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.000 human creators. So they're going to actually have profiles and 206 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.279 they're already rolling this out. One of the fastest growing 207 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:52.000 Instagram accounts, right now is an AI bot basically, you know, 208 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.679 it's you know, posting video, posting pictures and just going viral. 209 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.039 And so they're kind of testing this out and rolling 210 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.840 all of this out. But but I've talked to a 211 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.440 lot lot of people that are you know, shareholders in Facebook, 212 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:05.919 you know, investors, people in the tech world that are 213 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.080 looking at this and they're like, well, it appears as 214 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:09.879 if what Meta is trying to do within the next 215 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:14.480 five years is actually replace human content creators on their 216 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.200 platform with AI created content creators. And and and here 217 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.759 and here's the significance of this. Okay, so number one, 218 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.200 it's going it's going to affect a lot of content creators. 219 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.879 The reality is the vast majority of people that they 220 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.639 see influencers as the butt of a job. They think that, 221 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:30.840 you know, they don't care about them. But here's how 222 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.200 it impacts you specifically, if they can if they can impact, 223 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.840 if they can affect that, right, they they kick all 224 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.600 the content creators off of the or they don't need 225 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.039 them anymore because now they have the AI controlled content creators. 226 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.639 What does that mean? It means number one, Meta doesn't 227 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.240 have to pay uh, you know, content creators any kind 228 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.559 of revenue share because they don't need them anymore. But 229 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:53.879 more importantly, they control everything that's said on their platform. 230 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.679 So we just become all, you know, just consumers. We're 231 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.879 consuming information, and then all of the information that we're 232 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.200 consuming is will be coming from these AI created and 233 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.080 AI generated bots. What does that mean. It means that 234 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.879 metal will have complete control over narratives. It means that 235 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.480 they're gonna have set their own Overton window to where 236 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:14.480 guess what, the creator is never going to piss off 237 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.879 an advertiser because they're setting the parameters for what the 238 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.919 content creator is going to talk about. They're gonna be 239 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.159 able to use these used AI in order to be 240 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.039 able to target the content that the AI generated US 241 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.919 content creators will be generating that you're consuming to make 242 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:34.159 it more clickbaity, more viral, more addictive. And then it's 243 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:35.840 also going to be pushing the narratives that are good 244 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:37.960 for their advertisers, that are good for good for their 245 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.279 political narratives, and good for their propaganda. So when you 246 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.399 look at this, you're like, okay, cool, so that that's Facebook. 247 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.080 I don't need to be on Facebook. I'll leave. I'm 248 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.360 going to join Pickaction, which is my social media platform. Great, 249 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.960 that's fine. But what happens when you have the government 250 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.480 that is now involved in this because we know that 251 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.799 the CIA and the intelligence agencies both are intelligence agencies, 252 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.519 foreign intelligence agencies. They use you know, bot farms, they 253 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.799 use a nonst troll accounts, they use all these different 254 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.440 things in order to push propaganda. What happens when they 255 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.120 get a hold of this kind of artificial intelligence to 256 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.720 where now they're they're able to use AI to see 257 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.519 your data, to see what you're doing, what's what's most 258 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.120 interesting to you, so that way they can more effectively 259 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.159 push their propaganda. That's where all of this is going. 260 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.159 And this is why we need to get a rain 261 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.879 on this. And unfortunately, you know, and I'm saying, this 262 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.879 is a guy who voted for Trump in this last election, 263 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.080 but Trump cozying up with all these big tech Silicon 264 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.720 Valley guys like like Larry Ellison and Sam Altman and 265 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.240 Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos who are all pushing this 266 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.759 insane artificial intelligence, as well as Elon Musk. When you're 267 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.120 looking at this, you're like, it doesn't seem like they're 268 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.679 gonna have any guardrails. It seems like we are facilitating 269 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.120 this as a government, and to me, this is pushing 270 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.480 us closer to terminator style, you know, you know, you know, 271 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.879 AI implementation than anything else. And it's it's crazy that 272 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.120 I feel like nobody in our government is seeing this, 273 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.480 like maybe we should take a step back from this 274 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:00.519 one a little bit. But maybe it's all because they 275 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:01.960 know that it's going to give them even more power 276 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:02.480 and control. 277 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.480 You mentioned the echo chambers that were already subjected to 278 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:10.799 I wonder if it's too late, if what you're saying 279 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:15.320 has already gone too far to where it's infiltrated the 280 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.039 social media space and it's going to inevitably just take 281 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.840 over everything. Like you said, we're already seeing the death 282 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.799 of long form content like shows like this, and it's 283 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:32.480 going to these little viral TikTok clips. I only use 284 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.799 social media basically to promote this show and the things 285 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.000 I'm doing, the films I'm making. Every once in a while, 286 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.200 I like to see what my friends and other content 287 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.279 creators are doing, but it's becoming more difficult to find 288 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:49.279 them because it's being replaced by exactly what you're talking about. 289 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.480 So could it be that it's already just infiltrated everything 290 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:55.120 to a point of no return. 291 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.159 I would say, no, I think we're definitely getting to 292 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.679 the point to where to where AI has has the 293 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.320 potential of basically taking over our government, to where you know, 294 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:08.759 there's a movie that came out probably twenty years ago, 295 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.159 and I always say, you know, basically the kind of 296 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.639 technology and things that they're that they're giving us in 297 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.399 movies will typically come true within about with within about 298 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.480 two decades and about twenty years. So there's a movie 299 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.399 that came out about twenty years ago called Eagle Eye 300 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.360 with Shiya La buff and it was about how AI, 301 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.519 how the military was using artificial intelligence to be more 302 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.639 efficient when it comes to you know, military military strikes. 303 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.559 What do we need to go to war assess what's 304 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.480 going on? Well, the AI felt like, oh, the president's 305 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.559 making the wrong decision by not you know, going to 306 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.000 war doing whatever it is. So then the AI decided, well, 307 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:40.799 we need to take out the entire chain of command 308 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:42.600 so that so that way, you know, we're going to 309 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.279 have the proper implementation of what's going on based upon 310 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:46.919 the data and all that kind of stuff. And so 311 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.759 the entire movie was set up like that. Well, That's 312 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.600 basically where we're headed right now. When we're going to 313 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:55.240 be so reliant upon artificial intelligence, and especially when we 314 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.000 get to the point of where they're combining it with 315 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.960 quantum computing, it could be it becomes completely self learning, 316 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.360 more intelligent than human beings. The whole deal. We're gonna 317 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.919 We're going to see the potential for AI to take 318 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.840 over everything from a governmental standpoint to where we're going 319 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.320 to be beholden to them, but on a on a 320 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.639 more you know, personal basis, and in an individualistic basis, 321 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.879 we do have an opportunity to kind of create our 322 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:24.840 own alternative AI free, technology free society. You know, I 323 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.559 was talking into Cole Shanahan on our on our AI 324 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.679 Transhumanism summit that we held a couple of weeks ago 325 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.919 for Pickaxe, and we were talking about do we need 326 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.919 to set up our own protections for people that don't 327 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.879 want to combine with technology and become transhumanists and get 328 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.159 brain ship implants and deal with AI on a day 329 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.600 to day basis. How do we do that? What is 330 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.240 that going to look like? You know, maybe it's going 331 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.960 to be something where we have almost our own Amish 332 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:50.240 style communities, not saying we don't use techn you know, 333 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.440 technology or electricity. But it's like, no, this is free 334 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.559 from this AI control system and you know, and so 335 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.519 can we pass some sort of legislation we give us 336 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.600 protections if we don't want to live in this kind 337 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.519 of insane world where where we're combining human biology with 338 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.200 technology and AI and the and the whole deal. So 339 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.119 I think that we can do that. And for me, 340 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.680 my mission with PICKACS specifically is how can I use 341 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.799 technology to build up humanity? Whereas all the rest of 342 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.279 the platforms what they're doing is they're using humanity and 343 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.519 our data, our thoughts are, you know, our positions on 344 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.279 our writing and our videos, and funneling it into their 345 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.480 artificial intelligence in order to build their technology, which gives 346 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.920 them more control, more more, more revenue because of advertising, 347 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.400 you know, targeting and all that. I'm taking that, I'm 348 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.079 taking everything on the flip side and I'm just reversing it. 349 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.119 I'm inverting the whole thing. How do we use technology 350 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.559 what's available right now to build up humanity? And I 351 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.559 think if we can have more people that take that approach, 352 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.599 I think that we could actually create something to where 353 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.400 we were. We're creating a space for human beings to 354 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.640 have ideas and thoughts. And it's not just this AI 355 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.400 controlled robots that are just all talking to each other. 356 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:01.680 It's it's gonna be nuts. So we have to be very, 357 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.880 very specific and targeted in what we're doing in order 358 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:07.640 to protect ourselves from this craziness. 359 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.039 Right on, I agree hundred percent, and I love what 360 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.880 you're doing with that. Let's talk a little bit about 361 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:14.799 some of the things we need to pay attention to 362 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.640 as it relates to DOGE and the agendas that they're 363 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.559 rolling out, some of the stuff behind that. 364 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:24.680 Yeah, well, you know, and I think I think specifically 365 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.319 with dog. You know, the thing is, and I've said 366 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.400 this from the very beginning, if Elon must just stayed 367 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.000 in his lane and just went in, found the fraud, 368 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.160 found the waste, found where we could streamline things better. Uh, 369 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:38.920 and then take this report and take it back to 370 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.440 Congress and take it back to the President of the 371 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.039 United States and say, look, here's my recommendations based upon Look, 372 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.200 and we're spending this much money on this kind of 373 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.400 study and investigating you know, transgender chimpanzees. Uh, maybe we 374 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:51.839 shouldn't be spending money on that you know, if that, 375 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.079 if that's what he did, kudos, That's that's what we 376 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.720 need because we have so much pork in the government, 377 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.960 we have so much waste and fraud in our government. 378 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:02.720 I'm all, I'm all for that. But the but he's 379 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.160 taking it a step further. And this is the problem 380 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.680 is that is that not only is he just exfining 381 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.400 it and investigating and exposing, but also Trump is tasking 382 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.519 him with actually fixing the problem. That's a concern because 383 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.880 he's not accountable to anybody. You know, he doesn't have 384 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.200 like an official position that's been that's been approved by Congress. 385 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:21.720 Only Congress can actually cut spending. They're the ones that 386 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.880 set this set the spending bills, and so technically it's 387 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.000 it's actually dishonest for Doge to go around saying like, look, 388 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:30.599 we saved you all this money. No, you didn't. And 389 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.559 in fact, we have this continuing resolution that continued to 390 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.680 fund all the departments and all these projects as it 391 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:40.640 was under the Joe Biden administration. Despite all of all 392 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.880 of Doge's you know, expose as and all that kind 393 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.680 of stuff, all the money is still funneling back through. 394 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:46.839 So what are we actually doing here? Well, when you 395 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.319 when you look at what that that stunt that Elon 396 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.000 must pulled where he sent an email to all the 397 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.799 federal employees asking them asking them to report back, you know, 398 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.359 five things that you did this week. Right, everybody's like, oh, 399 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.119 it's a joke. It's this, you know, just to see 400 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.240 if people are dead or alive or all that. Well, 401 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.160