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Speaker 1: bringing them out is kind of multifaceted, right, don uh
Speaker 1: you know, we want to talk a little bit about
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Speaker 1: kind of one of the coolest articles I've seen in
Speaker 1: a long time is come up and as an investigative journalist,
Speaker 1: one of my like dream jobs, Like if there was
Speaker 1: a dream job, that'd be like would you disappear and
Speaker 1: go off the grid for any job where you just
Speaker 1: disappear and nobody sees you, kind of like men in black, right,
Speaker 1: like an X Files job in the news today. It's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, you know that they have that kind of job,
Speaker 1: and we're going to dive into what that job is.
Speaker 1: I want to hear your guys opinion on all this
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch more done. But are there any
Speaker 1: jobs that you would just disappear off the grid for?
Speaker 1: Is there enough money or maybe something you're passionate about.
Speaker 1: If you had to get up go and disappear and
Speaker 1: do something, what would it be?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess it kind of depends on what you
Speaker 3: mean by disappear, Cause, like, if I could just go
Speaker 3: off grid and continue to do this job, I'd be fine.
Speaker 3: I'd be cool with that. But if I actually had
Speaker 3: to like completely disappear from public view, oh man, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I love what I do, I'm
Speaker 3: passionate about it. Kind of got that crusader Jane as
Speaker 3: you like to call it. So I don't really think
Speaker 3: that there is anything that would really make me say,
Speaker 3: you know what, let you know, screw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a few different jobs I would
Speaker 1: think about doing that would potentially bring me into this vein,
Speaker 1: and one of them is what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: Right now, and that's this right here, secretive FBI group
Speaker 1: which basically investigates UFOs where they'll get purged by the
Speaker 1: Department of Government Efficiency report says, that's right, there's a
Speaker 1: real life X files department. Who would have thought that
Speaker 1: Fox Malder could have been based off of a real person.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be interesting if we're just all sitting here
Speaker 1: and we found out that X files was all based
Speaker 1: on real things, and you're like going back to your damn,
Speaker 1: that's a mind, Like my mind just got totally raped,
Speaker 1: like totally raped there, and my mind was just destroyed
Speaker 1: by it. You know, the idea that X files was
Speaker 1: based on true, real stories. Now I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: the case. Maybe some of them are, some of them
Speaker 1: are prophetic, right the World Trade Center nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: amongst other things. But I wouldn't be surprised like X
Speaker 1: files in part was based on real government operations because
Speaker 1: that's how they like to do it. And now we're
Speaker 1: finding out that there is such a X files category
Speaker 1: to the FBI where they do these secretive investigations. Pretty
Speaker 1: cool though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's pretty neat. Hopefully they actually do
Speaker 3: conduct legitimate you know, investigations and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, as I've mentioned multiple times, I'm a huge
Speaker 3: fan of the X Files, you know, and so it
Speaker 3: is certainly interesting that now, all of a sudden, and
Speaker 3: who knows, maybe this was admitted a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago to you know, but for the longest time it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: we certainly don't have a department like that at all.
Speaker 3: Wink wink, nudge, nudge. And now you know that so
Speaker 3: many government agencies and subgroups are on the chopping block,
Speaker 3: they have to come out and be like, well, wait, no,
Speaker 3: hold on, what we do is important. You can't, you know,
Speaker 3: get rid of us all.
Speaker 1: Of a sudden. There is a X Files type program, which,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of fascinating to hear about all this,
Speaker 1: to see all this, and to really dive into this,
Speaker 1: because you know, what if Fox Malder and Dana Scully
Speaker 1: were based off of real characters and they took the
Speaker 1: stories and sure they twisted it, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're thinking that there's a Jersey devil and a moth
Speaker 1: man and whatever. The septic tank swamp thing episode was
Speaker 1: about where guy was taking and dropping a deuce and
Speaker 1: swamp thing came out of the you know house in
Speaker 1: Adam or whatever. I don't remember something. We'd like that
Speaker 1: this really is a parasite man, I think is what
Speaker 1: it was. But they had all these weird eventive like episodes,
Speaker 1: including about them spraying things and people going insane for
Speaker 1: like spraying crops and maybe weather modification and subtype. Fox
Speaker 1: Malder would refer to real life like things that went on,
Speaker 1: like the Holocaust and Project Paid, Operation paper Clip, and
Speaker 1: he'd name real people Too'd like Henry Kishenjerny. Up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger was responsible for Operational paper Clip, and not
Speaker 1: a lot of people would know that, but due de
Speaker 1: Foyas and other things, we now can see that. We
Speaker 1: all now do know that. And it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: in the think about that maybe there is this department,
Speaker 1: and if there is this department, do they leak the
Speaker 1: data for Hollywood to promote these ideas Mike men in Black,
Speaker 1: like when they had the little pen thing that allows
Speaker 1: you to implant memories and just flashes and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't see us here. What you saw was a
Speaker 1: dude picking up his trash and throwing it out, And
Speaker 1: they're like poo. That's what everyone thought for you know,
Speaker 1: the last fifteen.
Speaker 3: Seconds, right, yeah, I mean, who knows what's actually going
Speaker 3: on behind the scenes with the guard and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, because as we know full well, reality is
Speaker 3: stranger than fiction, right, So I mean it's.
Speaker 1: Who knows well, and that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: So in this article it kind of breaks into it,
Speaker 1: all right. It's is a secretive group of FBI agents
Speaker 1: tasked with investigating UFOs is deeply concerned that they may
Speaker 1: be next in the Department of Government Efficiency BURGE. According
Speaker 1: to a new report, HMM Ryan Graves, executive director of
Speaker 1: Americans for Safe Aerospace and former Navy pilots, told political
Speaker 1: he had spoken with several agents within the UAP working Group.
Speaker 1: Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon, which is what UAP stands for, is
Speaker 1: how the US government refers to UFOs. So of course
Speaker 1: the algorithms don't catch it because UFO is like the
Speaker 1: tinfoil hat conspiracy term, just like chemtrails are the tenfoil
Speaker 1: hat conspiracy term for whether modification or you know, cloud seating.
Speaker 1: The FBI declined to comment on the FBI personal matters,
Speaker 1: but did confirm that the agency investigates unidentified anomalist phenomena
Speaker 1: when there is potential for violation of federal law, particularly
Speaker 1: unlawful acts that could adversely affect our national interests, and
Speaker 1: together the share and analyze intelligence to combat security threat
Speaker 1: facing the United States. President Donald Trump's Justice Department began
Speaker 1: removing FBI agents and prosecutors tied with the high profile
Speaker 1: investigation into January sixth. So, don let's say you get
Speaker 1: this gig right, You're you're working for the FBI and
Speaker 1: you get to do X files type stuff. What are
Speaker 1: you researching? What are you looking into? You have access
Speaker 1: to all these government database We're gonna call it Hangar eighteen,
Speaker 1: you know, like a hangar that has all this like
Speaker 1: top secret government data that you see in X files.
Speaker 1: What is it that you're what is it that you're
Speaker 1: going to go and research? And for our listeners, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of curious. I want you guys to think of,
Speaker 1: maybe drop in the chat. What would you look for
Speaker 1: if you were hired as an FBI agent to investigate
Speaker 1: X filesite type things. And here this is directly correlated
Speaker 1: with the UAPs, but that's a pretty wide, pretty wide
Speaker 1: range of different things you could study.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I mean it's probably no secret. Anybody who
Speaker 3: knows me knows that. If I'm in that position, I'm
Speaker 3: going straight for the Roswell files. I'm busting all the
Speaker 3: Roswell files wide open. I want to know exactly what happened,
Speaker 3: what was there, how many you know, bodies were recovered,
Speaker 3: if they were alive, you know what was going on there?
Speaker 3: The second file I'm probably opening. You know it sasquatch.
Speaker 1: You really think that there's such a thing as a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd think with all the bigfoot hunters, somebody
Speaker 1: would have shot them and cooked them up on a
Speaker 1: grill and been like, mm mmm, get me some of
Speaker 1: that furry meat. Hells, yeah, you know they went out
Speaker 1: there and shot bigfoot and then they like, well, I
Speaker 1: ate them. I don't know what else to tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: that's all the proof. You know, he's done or with
Speaker 1: that begannibalism, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 3: But well, I mean, so my thing is, I'm agnostic
Speaker 3: on the idea of whether or not Bigfoot actually exists.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the subject matter, and I've looked into
Speaker 3: enough information from reputable academics, like people like doctor Jeff Maildrum,
Speaker 3: who've taken a scientific approach to it, that it here
Speaker 3: there is enough evidence that there's something more to the
Speaker 3: phenomenon than just a hoax. Perhaps it could be something
Speaker 3: as easy as you know, something that can be explained away,
Speaker 3: perhaps some sort of primate. Although then of course the
Speaker 3: issue comes up with, well, if it's an undiscovered primate,
Speaker 3: how the hell have we not discovered it in this
Speaker 3: massive country of ours, with all the sightings that have
Speaker 3: taken place. And then of course there's you know, various
Speaker 3: other concepts about, you know, how long do they live,
Speaker 3: If they have sparse numbers, then that could potentially lead
Speaker 3: into it. If they're intelligent enough to bury their dead,
Speaker 3: could be a reason why we may not have found bodies,
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other speculation. I personally don't know
Speaker 3: whether or not Bigfoot actually exists, but I'm interested in
Speaker 3: the subject in and of itself, and I'd like to
Speaker 3: think that maybe there's something out there.
Speaker 1: You know. What's interesting is I pulled up the Library
Speaker 1: of Congress and basically I typed in the term bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and there's something like there's articles galore that popped up
Speaker 1: at least probably almost one hundred articles, and you know
Speaker 1: they got names. It says mister Charles Friel or government
Speaker 1: trapper was placed on the Honorable by killing or the
Speaker 1: honor list by the killing of Bigfoot, one of the
Speaker 1: largest and most destructive gray wolves. So they got different
Speaker 1: names in here. So who knows where the idea bigfoot
Speaker 1: came from. I was just curious that, like, where did
Speaker 1: it come from? When did it? Did it ever make
Speaker 1: the newspaper? Like if I look up like giant human
Speaker 1: skeletons or unidentified flying objects in the sky or whatever.
Speaker 3: There are plenty of times where the subject has actually
Speaker 3: made newspapers and whatnot. And as far as where the
Speaker 3: idea comes from, I'm not sure in regard to the
Speaker 3: origin in general, but I know as far as America
Speaker 3: is concerned, there are Native American legends going back over
Speaker 3: a thousand years talking about the large, you know, anthropomorphic
Speaker 3: carry man on two feet. You know, so these legends
Speaker 3: go back long, long before you know, European colonizers were
Speaker 3: ever even here. As far as you know, making the
Speaker 3: news is only just recently, within the past couple of months.
Speaker 3: I saw it pop up on one of the cryptozoology
Speaker 3: pages that I follow commemorating the event of the Patterson
Speaker 3: Gimblin film. To this very day, the Patterson Gimblin film
Speaker 3: has never been debunked, no matter how many times people
Speaker 3: have tried to run it through. You know, Oh, here's
Speaker 3: how they could have faked it. This that the third
Speaker 3: And you know, contrary to conspiracy theories that have been
Speaker 3: put out there, they've never admitted it to be faked either.
Speaker 3: I've seen that brought up a couple of times. Well
Speaker 3: didn't they admit on their deathbed that it was faked? No,
Speaker 3: never happened. So, you know, when we have a film
Speaker 3: as conclusive as the Patterson Gimblin film that despite all
Speaker 3: attempts to debunk it has not been able to be
Speaker 3: debunked with science, with all one of the most advanced
Speaker 3: scientific methodology and technology. You know, that's that's something.
Speaker 1: Which film? Which image is that? Is that the one
Speaker 1: with the guy in the gorilla outfit that's walking, that's
Speaker 1: a guy in the costume? Is that the one time
Speaker 1: returns his head like this.
Speaker 3: Well, once again, you know you're saying it's a guy
Speaker 3: in a guerrilla costume. That has never been proven.
Speaker 1: I know, it still looks like it. Come on, bro,
Speaker 1: if somebody said, here's a million dollars, is this a
Speaker 1: guy in a gorilla costume or not? Which way are
Speaker 1: you putting your money?
Speaker 3: Well? I would put it on the money of the
Speaker 3: scientific experts that have used the most advanced technology to
Speaker 3: try to prove that that's what it was and have
Speaker 3: failed time and time again.
Speaker 1: I know I still think it's a dude in a costume,
Speaker 1: but it could not be. I could be completely wrong
Speaker 1: on That's what's great about this program is we don't
Speaker 1: have to agree. Don I think it's interesting. You might
Speaker 1: think giants are stupid or silly. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think Sasquatch is silly or stupid. There's a reason,
Speaker 1: well people, why people believe in these things. And X
Speaker 1: files like working in X files. You know, a tops
Speaker 1: government program. I think it's interesting. I think it would
Speaker 1: be something that you know, I would start off with.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what I would start off with, don,
Speaker 1: if this is my job, UFOs, I guess the first
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna do is do something simple like go
Speaker 1: to Kincaid's cave or that area and try to identify
Speaker 1: if the Egyptians were really here.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a fantastic Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that would be interesting. The black
Speaker 1: pyramid underneath Alaska, I thought that would be an interesting one.
Speaker 1: You know, that's something I would do. I'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to investigate this. I'm in charge of my
Speaker 1: own investigation. Let's go dig deep in Alaska and find
Speaker 1: out what this black pyramid is that's sending these like
Speaker 1: signals into outer space. That's interesting to me. Maybe going
Speaker 1: to Antarctica, which our guests, by the way, has been to,
Speaker 1: are the Arctic and Antarctica. We can ask him what
Speaker 1: that's like and how he got involved in doing something
Speaker 1: like that, which is pretty cool. Commander Cobra here will
Speaker 1: be joining us in about forty minutes. We'll be talking
Speaker 1: about it. But these are just some different ideas of
Speaker 1: things I'd want to do within the United States now
Speaker 1: area fifty one. I think that's probably overplayed at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the government secret base is
Speaker 1: an outhouse somewhere. You go into the outhouse, you go
Speaker 1: down these steps and it's a giant base, or it's
Speaker 1: an elevator going down right and you lean you like
Speaker 1: you need like a little combination to use the outhouse
Speaker 1: there and everyone's like, oh, it's a private outhouse. No,
Speaker 1: it's an elevator to go to the secret military base.
Speaker 1: People go in, They're like, how many people can you
Speaker 1: fit into the out house? People keep going into it, right,
Speaker 1: It's one of those things if you're spying, you're searching
Speaker 1: on it, looking at it the whole time. But you know,
Speaker 1: the idea that there's a secret government agency going after
Speaker 1: and investigating, I wonder what they found if they have
Speaker 1: like a Hangar eighteen idea where they keep all this
Speaker 1: data like in the X files, and why would they,
Speaker 1: like we talked about yesterday, would they actually keep accurate,
Speaker 1: detailed information and or would they have like code words.
Speaker 3: For everything right exactly? And and you know that's that's
Speaker 3: you know, one of the biggest questions about is who knows,
Speaker 3: you know, because as we were discussing yesterday, I mean,
Speaker 3: when it gets to when we start talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: files for declassification, Yes, the the burden of proof has
Speaker 3: to rely on some sort of evidence. So you know,
Speaker 3: you get your hands on a declassified file from some
Speaker 3: government agency or like, aha, there it is. But we
Speaker 3: also have to keep in mind that these agencies are
Speaker 3: very experienced in deception, they're very experienced in propaganda, and
Speaker 3: we know that they have levied that to their advantage
Speaker 3: before with u you know, supposed declassified files that have
Speaker 3: actually just been you know, documents purposefully put out into
Speaker 3: the public space to propagate disinformation. So you know it
Speaker 3: that in and of itself is such a a murky
Speaker 3: rabbit hole sort of go down, because the implication really
Speaker 3: opens up a very big door for anything that we've
Speaker 3: gotten through declassification over the last several years at all
Speaker 3: in history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that declassification of anything, if
Speaker 1: it is legitimate, will be interesting. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of it will be accurate or honest or
Speaker 1: like we just talked about yesterday about the JFK files,
Speaker 1: MLK files, RFK files, amongst other things nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: maybe the Epstein report. Who knows what they'll will have
Speaker 1: for us in the near future. But what is accurate
Speaker 1: what is not? I think it's interesting, nonetheless that they
Speaker 1: have like a UAP research. Of course they do. Don
Speaker 1: we should have known this all long. I wonder how
Speaker 1: long the FBI has been researching UFOs, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's where the stories of X files really came from.
Speaker 1: I guess that was my big conversation starter and topic
Speaker 1: on the subject. And Marrow in the chat said he
Speaker 1: does some juicy squatch ribs. We got Don Squatch calling
Speaker 1: you Don Squatch in the chat right now, So like,
Speaker 1: Don Squatch, that's your new nickname here for now on
Speaker 1: the Don that's a new T shirt. We'll publish that
Speaker 1: big giant bigfoot Rundown live shirt we never published. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll I call it the Don Squatch and what we'll
Speaker 1: put that on top of it instead of it saying
Speaker 1: you know whatever it says on the top, the Don
Speaker 1: Squatch is where it's at, which is funny, it's interesting. Well,
Speaker 1: so anyways, the idea of the whole UFO phenomenon and
Speaker 1: Project Bluebeam allegedly came from Werner von Braun on his deathbed,
Speaker 1: whether true or not. And then he's like, they're gonna
Speaker 1: use to establish a term that a lot of us
Speaker 1: have heard before. We talked about briefly yesterday is a
Speaker 1: new world Order, which is an Adam Weiss hopt utopian idea.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know who Adam Weis, Hopt is
Speaker 1: he's the guy who inspired the book called the Communist
Speaker 1: Man offto the Bun Society, a German secret society are
Speaker 1: also known as the League of the just Is, the
Speaker 1: ones who became the first Communist Party, and of course
Speaker 1: they were the ones that paid Carl Marx for his work,
Speaker 1: and they took basically the Communist Manifesto and the Illuminati
Speaker 1: Manifesto made it the Communist Manifesto. We know that because
Speaker 1: Marvin Antlman, a Jewish rabbi, alludes to it in his
Speaker 1: book called Illuminate the Opiate to bring and shine some
Speaker 1: truth on the matter. And it's a very interesting subject.
Speaker 1: But the term New World Order seems to be going
Speaker 1: and going, and so I wanted to kind of talk
Speaker 1: about this because Donald Trump is talking about unifying America, right,
Speaker 1: the continent of North America under one nation, right absorbed Canada, Greenland,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's trying to take Greenland by forrest.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's gonna if that's what he's gonna do,
Speaker 1: and why Greenland is there like oil, there is there
Speaker 1: natural resources. Why is the United States going after Greenland?
Speaker 3: Well, quite frankly, the most logical reason for the United
Speaker 3: States wanting to go after Greenland is for the oil
Speaker 3: and the resources and the minerals. I mean, it's incredibly
Speaker 3: rich in all of those sorts of things. And I mean,
Speaker 3: if we look back at the history of this empire,
Speaker 3: all empires, but particularly with regard to the military conflicts
Speaker 3: of this empire, that has been the primary driving factor.
Speaker 3: Among the two primary driving factors, expanding unipolar hegemony and
Speaker 3: also the theft of resources. I mean, imperialism, colonialism go
Speaker 3: hand in hand with the theft of resources as a
Speaker 3: means of control, because he who controls the resources controls everything.
Speaker 1: Well. He wants to purchase Greenland, and the possibility of
Speaker 1: turning Canada to US state that would be all interesting.
Speaker 1: Trump on Greenland, I think we're going to have it.
Speaker 1: Trump has said as fireback as twenty nineteen that he
Speaker 1: wants us to buy Greenland, a massive Arctic island that
Speaker 1: is an autonomy territory of Denmark. Is that why? I
Speaker 1: wonder why Denmark? I wonder because the Vikings called it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the Vikings. It wasn't it the Vikings that gave
Speaker 1: Greenland its name because they didn't want anyone to go.
Speaker 1: They wanted everyone to go there, but they didn't want
Speaker 1: them to go Iceland, so Iceland was Iceland to be misleading,
Speaker 1: and it was actually the Greenland, and Greenland was actually
Speaker 1: Iceland was covered in ice.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure exactly the history of the naming
Speaker 3: of the countries, but you are correct in the fact
Speaker 3: that they were initially essentially founded by the Vikings, but
Speaker 3: Norse explorers, so well, I guess technically, in Greenland's case,
Speaker 3: Danish explorers, because if we're to get super like nitpicky
Speaker 3: with the linguistics, Norse only refers to like Norwegian Vikings
Speaker 3: and the Danes would be Danish. But that just goes
Speaker 3: into you know, the usages of words and all that
Speaker 3: sort of business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. Canada would be would benefit from becoming
Speaker 1: a US state? Trump says, I don't know. Would would
Speaker 1: benefit from Canada becoming a United States state? Is the question?
Speaker 1: What's the benefit to US? Trump urges Jordan Egypt to
Speaker 1: accept more Palestinian refugees. You know, all of this stuff
Speaker 1: is going on, but it's all the idea that he
Speaker 1: wants to remember. The North American Union and the FEMA regions.
Speaker 1: Alex Jones was always talking about everyone's like get that
Speaker 1: tinfoil hat. Alex Jones, a New World Order, All that
Speaker 1: stuff's not real. Well, let's talk about this for a second.
Speaker 1: Here's a res report on this very subject.
Speaker 8: Eighteen years ago, the Alex Jones film Endgame warned us
Speaker 8: of the coming North American Union as a stealth, incremental
Speaker 8: step towards a one world government.
Speaker 1: It is a big idea, a new world order.
Speaker 11: President Bush said that the New World Order was in tune,
Speaker 11: and that's what they were working for. The UN is
Speaker 11: part of that government. There were right now very significantly
Speaker 11: for a North American Union.
Speaker 1: That's why there's a lot of people in Washington. I
Speaker 1: don't care too much about our borders.
Speaker 7: Then you think these people work on what I call
Speaker 7: systemic methodology, meaning that you take a pie. Just imagine
Speaker 7: you take an apple pie, and you slice this apple
Speaker 7: pie into lots of very small pieces, and you put
Speaker 7: in front of each one of these pieces. You're men
Speaker 7: or woman of trust. And by controlling this individual, you
Speaker 7: control an entire organization. And that's how you control with
Speaker 7: very very small power based and entire global population of
Speaker 7: six billion people.
Speaker 9: For over fifty years, the Builderberg Group constructed the European
Speaker 9: Union by stealth under the guise of trade deals. Now
Speaker 9: the elite are using the same secretive program to complete
Speaker 9: the North American Union. The Builderberg Group would later admit
Speaker 9: that their mission was the formation of the EU. Once
Speaker 9: the EU was established under the guise of trade deals,
Speaker 9: a North American Union and Asian Union would be formed.
Speaker 9: The three interlocking superstates formed the core of the global government.
Speaker 9: From September twelfth to September fourteenth in bamf, Canada, hundreds
Speaker 9: of elected and appointed government leaders from Canada, Mexico, and
Speaker 9: the United States met in secret. The Judicial Watch Foundations
Speaker 9: submitted Freedom of Information Act request to obtain the full
Speaker 9: agenda and minutes of the secret assembly. Many federal agencies refused,
Speaker 9: citing national security. The Foundation finally succeeded and did receive
Speaker 9: thousands of pages of documents. The pages chronicle and already
Speaker 9: operating North American Union, transportation, law, enforcement, agriculture, regulation, banking, manufacturing, construction, education, immigration,
Speaker 9: and even the military are being merged with no input
Speaker 9: from the people or their elected representatives in Congress. In Parliament,
Speaker 9: one of the first items on their agenda was to
Speaker 9: stress how important it was that their plan quote be
Speaker 9: carried out by stealth. The controllers also talked about exploding
Speaker 9: the public's fears of climate change to push a continent
Speaker 9: wide tax to fund the new government. So we're talking
Speaker 9: about the death of Canada's what's happening in there right now?
Speaker 9: The death of your sovereignty is happening in there right now.
Speaker 9: CNN has even reported that these individuals have put out
Speaker 9: the policy reports through the Council on Foreign Relations that
Speaker 9: write for scholarly white papers to end the United States,
Speaker 9: to end Canada, and to end Mexico. We went into
Speaker 9: downtown Ottawa and talked to locals. What's your view on
Speaker 9: losing canada sovereignty?
Speaker 4: I like this country to stay as it is, and
Speaker 4: I love the United States to be there.
Speaker 1: Man, what did you say about the American Union? It's
Speaker 1: gonna end up happening.
Speaker 9: When you read human history, when you study it, all
Speaker 9: you see is elites trying to dominate, subterfuge, Maccabellian backstabbing,
Speaker 9: And somehow in the last fifty years they convinced Westerners
Speaker 9: that the government's fine, can do no wrong, trust them.
Speaker 9: How did this happen?
Speaker 10: It's easy to lead cheap.
Speaker 8: Without ever mentioning it during his campaign for obvious reasons.
Speaker 8: President Trump is now introducing the public to the idea
Speaker 8: of a North American Union.
Speaker 10: Greenland is a wonderful place we needed for international security,
Speaker 10: and I'm sure that Denmark will.
Speaker 6: Come along.
Speaker 10: I think it's costing them a lot of money to
Speaker 10: maintain it, to keep it. The people of Greenland are
Speaker 10: not happy with Denmark, you know. I think they're happy
Speaker 10: with us. We had represented as my son and representatives
Speaker 10: one up there two weeks ago, and they're like us.
Speaker 10: So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5: But Greenland is.
Speaker 10: Necessary, not for us, it's necessary for international security.
Speaker 5: What I'd like to seek Canada become our fifty first day.
Speaker 5: We give them protection, military protection. We don't need them
Speaker 5: for anything. We don't need them for energy. We have
Speaker 5: more energy than they do. We don't need that for energy.
Speaker 5: So I'd love to see that. But some people say
Speaker 5: that would be a long shot. If people wanted to
Speaker 5: play the game.
Speaker 8: Right, it doesn't sound like a long shot at all.
Speaker 8: It sounds like the North American Union, except it will
Speaker 8: probably be called something else. And if you fight against it,
Speaker 8: the government will ship you to a prison in El Salvador,
Speaker 8: elon Musk says, it's the way Greg Reece reporting. The
Speaker 8: REACH Report is now fully funded by my subset.
Speaker 1: Going to go ahead and depart ya if you're a prisoner.
Speaker 1: Interesting concept, you know. I find the whole idea all
Speaker 1: around of a North American union kind of prophetic because
Speaker 1: it's one step closer to a unionized world, right, a
Speaker 1: one world government. And if a one world government has
Speaker 1: evil leadership and goes awry, who's gonna protect us? We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to stand up for ourselves. That is what
Speaker 1: it comes down to. And this is like everything that
Speaker 1: you know, the Christians and other religious people have thought
Speaker 1: and claimed for years that one world government's on its way.
Speaker 1: Werner von Braun I believe, in his deathbed made claims
Speaker 1: of faking a UFO invasion on the planet and that
Speaker 1: that would help unify the world and create a one
Speaker 1: world government or new world order. That was the whole
Speaker 1: idea behind global warming, amongst other things. According to many
Speaker 1: people that were involved in the idea of global warming,
Speaker 1: that there was a need for it to establish global government.
Speaker 1: Why do they want global government so badly? Don What
Speaker 1: is it that makes them drue? Why is it Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's like we gotta have Canada. I want Canada and
Speaker 1: I want Greenland. I mean, I understand Greenland. Listen, the
Speaker 1: people are unhappy, Denmark's not doing its job.
Speaker 3: And if those people America that those are lies, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's nothing but lies and propaganda. You know, it's there's
Speaker 3: any excuse. I mean, hell, they they use the exact
Speaker 3: same thing. Oh, the people of Vietnam are unhappy, we
Speaker 3: need to go in and intervene. Oh the people of
Speaker 3: Iraq they hate Saddam so much, we need to intervene.
Speaker 3: Oh the people of Russia they hate Putin so much,
Speaker 3: we need to interviewe. It's that's always the excuse. It's
Speaker 3: all a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1: So are you suggesting that we're going to go in
Speaker 1: and buy force, attack Greenland and take it over.
Speaker 3: I would certainly hope that doesn't happen. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, when that very question was asked to Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: you know, are you going to rule out using military force?
Speaker 3: He didn't say no, So who knows. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: that's probably in all honesty, probably just him playing cards
Speaker 3: close to the vest I highly doubt that he would
Speaker 3: be as in sane enough to use military force against
Speaker 3: a NATO ally. But I mean, who knows, But the
Speaker 3: fact of the matter remains. I mean, this is exactly
Speaker 3: what Trump has been pushing for for a while now,
Speaker 3: ever since talking about, oh yeah, let's make Canada the
Speaker 3: fifty first state. We might even bring in Mexico. I mean,
Speaker 3: he even assigned an executive order renaming the Gulf of
Speaker 3: Mexico to the Gulf of America, which I shared a
Speaker 3: pretty funny meme earlier with the picture of that says
Speaker 3: golf of how does this make grocery prices go down?
Speaker 1: Well, that's just the other question a lot of people
Speaker 1: had is how are when are we going to start
Speaker 1: seeing some relief. To keep in mind, he's just been
Speaker 1: in office for what a week, week and a half,
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, on day two of his administration, he issued a
Speaker 3: statement or he said in the middle of a conference
Speaker 3: or something. Is reported by Associated Press that Trump outright
Speaker 3: said that lowering prices and address inflation is not his
Speaker 3: number one priority, despite the fact that that was definitely
Speaker 3: the case on the campaign trail. But you know, bouncing
Speaker 3: back to the North American Union, we put it out.
Speaker 3: We put out an article on the Free thought project
Speaker 3: not that long ago from Technocracy News. I believe he
Speaker 3: was written by Patrick Wood covering this subject, says, is
Speaker 3: Trump pursuing technocracy's dream to create the great American technique?
Speaker 3: Recent threats by President elect Donald Trump to annex Greenland,
Speaker 3: Canada and the Panama Canal and potentially Mexico fall in
Speaker 3: line with a nearly centuries old globalist plot. And you know,
Speaker 3: Patrick goes into highlighting how, you know, going back to
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, the Bush administration, how George W. Bush,
Speaker 3: Valente Fox and Stephen Harper, who were you know, respectively,
Speaker 3: the heads of Mexico and Canada. You know, we're attempting
Speaker 3: to push this and there was enough pushback at that
Speaker 3: point in time, you know, against you know, they were
Speaker 3: trying to push it through through things like the North
Speaker 3: American Free Trade Agreement and things of that nature. There
Speaker 3: was enough pushback at that time to prevent that from happening.
Speaker 3: But you know, Trump is, you know, right in line
Speaker 3: with a whole lot of this stuff that has been
Speaker 3: going on, to the point where there's even this article
Speaker 3: that I was able to drag up that I'll put
Speaker 3: up here on the screen out of the Atlantic from
Speaker 3: I believe it was from some years ago. Now, I
Speaker 3: had to find an archive copy because of course, you know,
Speaker 3: corporate media is dying, so they have to make everything
Speaker 3: behind a paywall. Now. But the title of the article
Speaker 3: from The Atlantic Elon Musk's anti Semitic, apartheid loving grandfather.
Speaker 3: And while they mostly focus on Musk's grandfather's Joshua Hadelman,
Speaker 3: they mostly focus on, you know, the fact that he
Speaker 3: was an anti semid and you know, very much favorite apartheid,
Speaker 3: and he was, by the words of his own friends,
Speaker 3: a fascist. One of the parts that this article does
Speaker 3: cover and sort of just glosses over, was the fact
Speaker 3: that he involved in the Technocracy Incorporated back in the
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties, which had a dream of creating what they
Speaker 3: called at the time the North American Technatee, which was
Speaker 3: a merger of the United States, Canada, and Mexico and
Speaker 3: a couple of other locations. So this is Elon Musk's
Speaker 3: own grandfather in nineteen thirty eight working on a program
Speaker 3: that had dreams of creating a one North American Union
Speaker 3: style merger between the US, Mexico, and Canada. So, you
Speaker 3: know the fact that Musk is so heavily involved in
Speaker 3: Trump's campaign and is involved in rigging politics the way
Speaker 3: that he is, and that this is the agenda that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump appears to be pursuing. Seems like it is
Speaker 3: the globalist plot coming to fruition through the Maga administration.
Speaker 3: As I warned people, would be the case, and as
Speaker 3: many people and I'm not going to take all the credit,
Speaker 3: as many many people warned would be the case if
Speaker 3: they fell for the siop that is Donald Trump, you knows.
Speaker 3: As my colleague and friend Carrie Windler put it quite well,
Speaker 3: Trump is just conservative. Obama MAGA is literally just hope
Speaker 3: and change.
Speaker 1: Occupy is you know, yeah, because that was his foot
Speaker 1: feet on the ground was occupy, remember the occupy movement.
Speaker 1: They actually have a flag for the North American Union.
Speaker 1: This is it. I keep seeing it all over online.
Speaker 1: When I looked it up and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a North American Union flag. Somebody either got creative
Speaker 1: or yeah, this is you know, this could be who knows.
Speaker 3: Because I don't know if that's official or not.
Speaker 1: Remember the Obama flag. Then he had his own flag
Speaker 1: that came out. You know. It's interesting. So, but the
Speaker 1: idea of establishing global government and unifying the United States
Speaker 1: with Canada and then maybe Mexico. It's interesting to think about.
Speaker 1: I don't think Mexico. I think Mexico would be much
Speaker 1: harder to commandeer versus Canada because they have all the
Speaker 1: cartels down there, right, and they're they're not going to
Speaker 1: adhere to our life if we go on there when
Speaker 1: we got law enforcement and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: they'd have to use force. That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: Everything comes down to the our government would have to
Speaker 1: use force.
Speaker 3: And that's a potential reason for I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: is the primary reason, because of course, you know, there's
Speaker 3: this big agenda going on right now, you know, scapegoating
Speaker 3: the immigration issue with all of these you know, false
Speaker 3: rhetoric of equating immigration to an evasion invasion, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the lies of an immigrant crime wave, which are just
Speaker 3: absolutely bogus. You can look up the statistics from what
Speaker 3: was it that I sent you earlier? I can't remember.
Speaker 3: Let me look into my messages right now. This is
Speaker 3: a little embarrassing that I can't remember, but that's what
Speaker 3: it was. It was the Brennan Center for Justice. It
Speaker 3: just took a minute from my brain.
Speaker 1: No, that's the right. Sometimes the hamster's running a little slow.
Speaker 1: Some days are faster than others, exactly.
Speaker 3: But my point is so we can look up the
Speaker 3: statistics from the Brennan Center for Justice and see that
Speaker 3: all this rhetoric about an immigrant crime wave is just
Speaker 3: absolute nonsense. It's not supported by the facts, you know.
Speaker 3: And for the most part, this is being used to
Speaker 3: you know, revitalize the failed war on drugs, militarize the border,
Speaker 3: which is being used to push through biometric surveillance and
Speaker 3: you know, digital ID entry, track and trace, all that
Speaker 3: sort of nonsense. But the interesting thing is if they
Speaker 3: want to go ahead and declare Cartels to be a
Speaker 3: terrorist organization, that then opens the door for Trump to
Speaker 3: use Bush era emergency declarations and authorizations of use of
Speaker 3: military force to be able to use the military to
Speaker 3: invade Mexico under the pretext of attacking the cartels and
Speaker 3: finding the Cartels. Now, I don't know if that would happen.
Speaker 3: Obviously it would be a very big problem internationally. Obviously
Speaker 3: the Mexican government would be very opposed to that. It
Speaker 3: would without a doubt lead to conflict between Mexican military
Speaker 3: and US military. So let's just hope that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: It does seem quite far fetched, and I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: think it will, but you know, I guess time will tell.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it all depends on what kind of
Speaker 1: disasters they cook up. They try to unify us in
Speaker 1: the end of the at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: in all questions, it's all like what geared towards what
Speaker 1: will lead us down the path of globalism? Right, and
Speaker 1: we should be scared about that, and these different ideas.
Speaker 1: Weather modification is getting a little out of hand. We
Speaker 1: don't know what's hampering with the weather actually does now,
Speaker 1: don if you could go ahead and make it nice
Speaker 1: and warm, let's say in your region by spraying things,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's you know, sixty degrees
Speaker 1: in December where it's usually ice cold, and or January,
Speaker 1: and now we're in February here. You know, that's interesting
Speaker 1: because there are there are program you can pay for
Speaker 1: it get paid for to avoid rain, keep it sunshiny
Speaker 1: for like weddings. You can pay a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: They'll do cloud seating or do whatever they need to
Speaker 1: do in order to make sure that you have a
Speaker 1: sunny wedding. Isn't that crazy? They have a whole company.
Speaker 1: But interesting enough, we don't know what the side effects
Speaker 1: are of water weather modification. It's going on all over
Speaker 1: the place, whether modification is and you can look it up.
Speaker 1: The government has programs openly on their website. They're spraying
Speaker 1: all over the place. And there's this interesting story I
Speaker 1: caught on in full Wars today and I found it
Speaker 1: fascinating because Japan has hit an all time record high
Speaker 1: of snow. They got four feet of snow in twelve hours.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of snow. Bro I'd be making some
Speaker 1: killer castles in that snow, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's absolutely insane. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: there are certain portions of Japan, particularly to the north,
Speaker 3: that do tend to get snow. I mean Mount Fuji,
Speaker 3: it tends to get its first sprinkling of snow around October.
Speaker 3: But I would only assume that this isn't a location
Speaker 3: that does not get a whole lot of snow. So,
Speaker 3: you know, four feet in twelve hours is just absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: That is nuts. And Don Sealizar, who I met down
Speaker 1: at the inauguration, wrote this article an unprecedented blizzards struck
Speaker 1: Japan Tuesday, smashing records and prompting wide scale disruptions, as
Speaker 1: many compared it to the recent snowfall bizarrely scene in
Speaker 1: southern US states. And here you go, here's some video
Speaker 1: of Look at this. This is like slow lapse of
Speaker 1: the snow falling just bearing vehicles. I mean, look at that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean interesting. You know it's still snowing there.
Speaker 1: Japan hits records snow and this guy is walking and
Speaker 1: it's up to his waist in some areas, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. This reminds me of those stories my father
Speaker 1: used to tell me who grew up in the up
Speaker 1: Upper Peninsula where they would just take snowmobiles to school. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't take the car, so you snowmobile
Speaker 1: to school and you still go to school even though
Speaker 1: there's like four feet of snow. Uh. You know, it's real,
Speaker 1: it happens. That's what they do it in Upper Peninsula.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do it in Alaska and Canada too.
Speaker 1: There's like no excuse for not going to school or
Speaker 1: going into work. You're taking the snowmobile. Everyone has a snowmobile. North.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's as much as I like the cold, I
Speaker 3: don't think I like it that much.
Speaker 1: Check this out. Here's some videos of people diving, like
Speaker 1: like diving into the snow.
Speaker 9: Here.
Speaker 1: Let's see that again. This guy straight off the steps
Speaker 1: and this gets completely like that's three four feet of snow.
Speaker 1: That's pretty and it's ob I h I r Obi
Speaker 1: Hero Japan is where there's look at all this.
Speaker 3: That was my next question was which prefecture it happened in.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure where Obi Hero is. Check this out.
Speaker 1: You look at this guy's shovel and it's almost all
Speaker 1: the way up to his shoulders. Then again, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say anything, but Japanese people are kind of short.
Speaker 1: They're small people. There are a lot of times, I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. You know, I went to the
Speaker 1: Asian clubs back in the day. We had one called
Speaker 1: Asia Moon, and if I went in there, I was
Speaker 1: like a foot taller than everyone else. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just one of those things. And like Japan,
Speaker 1: you got them shovel and it looks like it's deep.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how deep it really is, but
Speaker 1: as you can see the snow as a result, of
Speaker 1: potential weather modification. That's what people are claiming anyways, is
Speaker 1: what's causing these elaborate and crazy weather change in patterns,
Speaker 1: pattern changes in weather, and not everyone can explain it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's our magnetic pull shift that's causing these weather
Speaker 1: patterns to change, or maybe we just haven't been keeping
Speaker 1: track long enough to really know if this is a
Speaker 1: real record or not.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, I mean it's probably a combination of all
Speaker 3: those things, right because I mean we have all these
Speaker 3: you know, extreme weather events happening around the globe that
Speaker 3: the climate alarmist crowd wants to attempt to attribute to
Speaker 3: their doomsday climate narrative, but of course most of it
Speaker 3: is actually attributable to either whether modification or simply the
Speaker 3: fact that you know, we, as you've mentioned, have not
Speaker 3: been keeping enough records for long enough to actually be
Speaker 3: able to discern, you know, what is and isn't you know,
Speaker 3: some sort of record event. Of course, there is the
Speaker 3: poll shift that is, you know, allegedly beginning to take place.
Speaker 3: I'm still not that informed about that subject. So that's
Speaker 3: about all I can say about it. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's probably you know, a new English is hard
Speaker 3: sometimes and a number of contributing factors to these anompolies.
Speaker 1: All right, I mean, take a look at this four
Speaker 1: feet of snow in Japan. Weather modification is a real thing, right.
Speaker 1: We've talked about on the show stratospheric aerosol injections, the
Speaker 1: spraying aluminum oxide in wells bough cloud seating, it was
Speaker 1: aluminium oxide, and bury them salts to reflect the sun.
Speaker 1: The military under op was it Operation Popeye. Project Popeye
Speaker 1: got them monsoon season lasts longer. NASA has admitted that
Speaker 1: they can change rain in the snow and snowing in
Speaker 1: the rain, and hail into this rain and don't rain
Speaker 1: in the l and do all sorts of interesting things.
Speaker 1: I know that there was a recent and twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: study with weather modification North Dakota. They had it raining
Speaker 1: for two weeks straight, so they stopped, they withheld and
Speaker 1: deceease the current weather modification program up there. They have
Speaker 1: a whole government website in Texas dedicated to weather modification,
Speaker 1: and New Mexico and Nevada. So a lot of these
Speaker 1: drier areas are researching met weather modification. But what's the
Speaker 1: impact around the globe is that what we're seeing now
Speaker 1: because of stratospheric aerosol injections that the military and private
Speaker 1: contractors and everything else, everyone everyone was doing to make
Speaker 1: money to combat climate change. It wasn't really needed at all.
Speaker 1: But here we have crazy four feet of snow in Japan,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you know, so who knows, you know what
Speaker 3: the actual cause behind it is, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Well here's a real quick on that same subject. Here's
Speaker 1: the news article that I wanted to get to because
Speaker 1: I know that we have our guests joining us in
Speaker 1: a few We have cloud seating in the UAE. Could
Speaker 1: drow uh was it cloud seating in the UA Could
Speaker 1: drones soon be making it rain? This is a real
Speaker 1: news article right now.
Speaker 3: I mean the interesting thing about it is, uh, the
Speaker 3: geo engineering in industry is probably its highest in the UAE.
Speaker 3: It's either I'd probably either put money on the UAE
Speaker 3: or China. Both of those areas, uh, you know has
Speaker 3: such a massive geoengineering industry behind them, you know, for
Speaker 3: like like you said, you know, for weddings and make
Speaker 3: sure it's all nice and sunny for the weddings. I
Speaker 3: know that as far back as two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: This is These are mainstream news articles that admit this
Speaker 3: that China was able to use geoengineering to push away
Speaker 3: rain from one of their big political celebrations. I can't
Speaker 3: remember what it was, but something about, you know, celebrating.
Speaker 1: I remember the Olympics. They were spraying to prevent they
Speaker 1: have good weather for the Olympics. They were they were
Speaker 1: spring too, That's.
Speaker 3: What it was. It was the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, So we're on the same page. See
Speaker 1: synchronous in the year it will check this out. This
Speaker 1: is an article from not too long ago on the
Speaker 1: same subject. It says, hold on here here it is
Speaker 1: company offers rain free weddings for one hundred pounds. It's
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. A luxury holiday company is offering
Speaker 1: to use geo engineering to guarantee fairweather and clear skies
Speaker 1: for a starting price of about two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And that's from ten years ago. So you know, when
Speaker 1: we talk about these things, it isn't like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: making this stuff up. They've been talking and doing this
Speaker 1: for quite some time and probably for like I said,
Speaker 1: since obviously Vietnam. We know about Popeye, which is Operation
Speaker 1: Popeye or Project Popeye, and then there's other ones that
Speaker 1: don's mentioned historically. Weather modification is something that goes on.
Speaker 1: But the impacts are now. They're getting four feet of
Speaker 1: snow in Japan potentially, and we're having cold forty degree
Speaker 1: weather in Miami, Florida while I'm there, because maybe the
Speaker 1: global warming gods just don't you know, they don't like me.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was nice to come back to
Speaker 1: Wisconsin where it was also equally as cold, like forty degrees,
Speaker 1: and it really made no difference of us in Miami
Speaker 1: or Milwaukee here at home. But I could have used
Speaker 1: some global warming, thank you very much. It's just not happening.
Speaker 1: I want it to happen so badly. Right now it's
Speaker 1: cold here in Miwaka. Oh. But it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: all these different subjects, these different items that are going on.
Speaker 1: Talking about the biggest snowfall ever in Japan that's taking
Speaker 1: place of twelve hours with four feet of snow. Incredible snowfall,
Speaker 1: incredible snowfall, interesting stuff all around. So that being said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on as well with military and
Speaker 1: drones and robots. They had to fight off our face
Speaker 1: off with drones versus robodog and the UK Sun covered it.
Speaker 1: It was pretty interesting. How long before robots do the
Speaker 1: fighting for US in the military, and I'm sure they're
Speaker 1: already using them at some level, but this is the US,
Speaker 1: excuse me not the UK son Future of war. Watch
Speaker 1: drone an armed robot robo dog fight to the desk,
Speaker 1: sparking fears of first machine war, you know, like, what
Speaker 1: is it? We had Terminator Vinney's Black. They had the
Speaker 1: good old movie where you know, deals with time travel
Speaker 1: and the guy comes back in the future worrying about
Speaker 1: you know, the future and how they could change it.
Speaker 1: Came back to kill was a John O'Connor, and obviously
Speaker 1: he failed. But here we go, We're gonna have some
Speaker 1: video of what is actually a robot dog and a
Speaker 1: drone facing off and doing battle because here you go
Speaker 1: check this out. That's just crazy. I mean, that's crazy
Speaker 1: cool if you ask me, that's insane. Man, No, man,
Speaker 1: it's totally insane. What's with this ad here? All right? Anyways?
Speaker 1: Crazy stuff? You know, robots are coming their way, won't
Speaker 1: belong to well, the exoskeletons and you know, super soldiers
Speaker 1: with chips in their brain or the brain cloud interface
Speaker 1: and the sharing consciousness and memories and everything else. The
Speaker 1: future is really interesting, especially when it comes to synthetic
Speaker 1: telepathy and all these different things the military is working
Speaker 1: on and the way the future is going. But I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to bring on our next guest. We've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people on from Kgira and all over
Speaker 1: the United States as a citizen journalist platform run news outlet.
Speaker 1: We've also had musicians and artists and people of all
Speaker 1: walks of life. But the Commander Cobra who we're having
Speaker 1: on as an ex military vet. He grew up and
Speaker 1: now resides in New England on a farm with his
Speaker 1: best friend and wife several animals in the woods of Maine.
Speaker 1: Career aviator for the US Military, served with all the
Speaker 1: branches except for the Space Force, performing mission operations, flight instruction,
Speaker 1: and test operation. He currently works as a contractor for
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense as a pilot and engineer. His
Speaker 1: assignments have taken him globally, including to the Arctic and Antarctic, Asia,
Speaker 1: West Asia, and the United States. I want to welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, Commander Cobra. Welcome to the Rundown Live.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today. What a great pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on. And I got to ask you,
Speaker 1: how did you get involved in all this? What made
Speaker 1: you join the military? Did you just want when they
Speaker 1: wake up and that's what you wanted to do, or
Speaker 1: you play with g I Joe Dolls at a very
Speaker 1: young age. Oh you're you're muted, cabin Commander Cobra here
Speaker 1: on your end, dare.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to cause any problems.
Speaker 1: When I caused a problem, it happens all the time,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But how did you get involved
Speaker 1: in the military.
Speaker 6: I didn't have the Gi Joe Dolls, just wasn't part
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 4: But I was about probably three three and a half,
Speaker 4: fairly distinct early memory, and I saw a skyrider that
Speaker 4: was over my grandparents' house and you know, printing out
Speaker 4: whatever the advertisement was. And from that point on I
Speaker 4: was kind of fused that I wanted to be in
Speaker 4: a pilot to fly, and my dad was in the
Speaker 4: Air Force. He wasn't a pilot, but I just always
Speaker 4: wanted to go to the military, always wanted to be
Speaker 4: a pilot.
Speaker 6: Was there were some.
Speaker 4: Hurdles to get passed for me to have it happened,
Speaker 4: and I was just very very blessed that it worked
Speaker 4: out the way it did. So I started out in
Speaker 4: the Air Force. I was there for the Air Force
Speaker 4: plus six years. I was sixteen with the Coast Guard.
Speaker 4: That Coast Guard time, I spent a great deal of
Speaker 4: it on joint assignment with the Navy, so I was
Speaker 4: very very interesting career. When I retired, I very rapidly
Speaker 4: went into working as a contractor in flying capacity places
Speaker 4: like North Macedonia, going up into Kosovo, down in South America,
Speaker 4: and also in the Mid East for Iraq, for OIF
Speaker 4: and oef SO, and along there opportunities came to do
Speaker 4: to fly an explane, which was extremely exciting and surprisingly
Speaker 4: not the best paying job, but it was a great
Speaker 4: experience to do and been very very fortunate to do that.
Speaker 6: Still fly, not nearly as.
Speaker 4: Much as I wish and want. The current project'm on,
Speaker 4: I'm not flying nearly as much, but I still keep
Speaker 4: my hand in. Now, before you go, Chris, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to throw in a couple of things you talk
Speaker 4: about Popeye Operation Popeye. I had a professor in college who,
Speaker 4: when he was a young physics student, worked on part
Speaker 4: of the weather programs that they were working during Vietnam,
Speaker 4: and the expression popeye when you're flying means that you're
Speaker 4: flying in the plane in and out of cloud tops.
Speaker 4: That's where that expression comes from. That's where the name
Speaker 4: for popeye comes from, at least in part.
Speaker 6: That's the reason why they did interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very interesting. So what's book camp like? You
Speaker 1: get there on your first day, what did you expect? Like?
Speaker 1: I had curious what was that experience like? Do you
Speaker 1: remember I.
Speaker 4: Was in an officer training program when I was in college,
Speaker 4: so my boot camp, I think, was pretty relaxed. They
Speaker 4: sent us up to an Air Force base that's now
Speaker 4: closed in upstate, New York, and we had a four
Speaker 4: week encampment during the college years. Once a week I
Speaker 4: had a classes that were just dedicated to military science subjects,
Speaker 4: and then on the weekends we did our drilling, you know,
Speaker 4: marching parade stuff. And when I went to Plattsburgh Air
Speaker 4: Force Base, we had our encampment there, which was probably
Speaker 4: the closest to a boot camp, you know, getting you
Speaker 4: up early, keeping you up, you know. One of the
Speaker 4: most humors and probably fun things was you knew a
Speaker 4: lot of things to do, meaning you had to set
Speaker 4: your room up a certain way, so your your bed
Speaker 4: had to be made a certain way, your socks and
Speaker 4: your clothing had to be in drawers a certain way.
Speaker 4: You had to have everything on your hangers a proper
Speaker 4: distance apart. So everybody kind of knew this, and you
Speaker 4: would put pencil marks and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Many of us would.
Speaker 4: Have clothes that we would never use, so that we
Speaker 4: always had our display clothes perfect for the inspections because
Speaker 4: they could come in every day and there was serious
Speaker 4: inspections and light inspections, and really the idea of that
Speaker 4: is to get you thinking cohesively as a team, but
Speaker 4: also to look at details.
Speaker 6: So I was pretty excited. First inspection, I did really well.
Speaker 4: I got very few demerits, so it looked like I
Speaker 4: wasn't going to get stuck with extra duties that were unpleasant,
Speaker 4: and I didn't touch anything because everything was good. Right.
Speaker 4: So the next inspection I get like a dozen and
Speaker 4: a half, and I was dumb enough to go to
Speaker 4: my tack officer and say, how can that be? He goes, well,
Speaker 4: you did really good on the first one, but I
Speaker 4: went in and undid all the buttons on your shirts
Speaker 4: that were hanging in the closet, all the stuff I
Speaker 4: pulled your pockets out of your pants, And what he
Speaker 4: was teaching me was that, yeah, you want to be
Speaker 4: an aviator. So yeah, you check the plane on Monday
Speaker 4: and you're not going to check it again until Friday
Speaker 4: or the following week. Could something have changed, because you know,
Speaker 4: it was the attention to detail there and there's no
Speaker 4: easy way out of it. And that's once you kind
Speaker 4: of understand what that game and it really is, it's
Speaker 4: a game that you're doing. Then you start to you know,
Speaker 4: figure out, Okay, how do I survive? How do I
Speaker 4: prevail in it? And then what am I trying to
Speaker 4: be taught? And that's you know, at the early ages,
Speaker 4: in my early twenties, that probably wasn't as readily appreciated.
Speaker 3: As it is.
Speaker 4: But you know, boot camps for are enlisted folks are
Speaker 4: much more structured, much tougher than I think in general.
Speaker 4: Probably on equivalent is the folks that go to the
Speaker 4: military academies. They definitely they play a full court game.
Speaker 4: Their first year is very very demanding in that aspect,
Speaker 4: and their entry into the academies is very demanding as well.
Speaker 4: But again it's the it's the coding of trying to
Speaker 4: get you to think cohesively team wise, your team is
Speaker 4: more important than yourself.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: So I really thrived in it.
Speaker 4: I liked it, and I was very, very fortunate, and
Speaker 4: I think every American taxpayer because I really appreciated the
Speaker 4: opportunity to go and do the kind of stuff that
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating and interesting, which leads us into one
Speaker 1: of the top articles we have of the day. And
Speaker 1: we found it interesting is that they're basically just admitting
Speaker 1: that there's like a whole x files segment of the
Speaker 1: FBI essentially to go and they investigate UAPs amongst everything else.
Speaker 1: You're part of a great program on KGRA called UAP Crossfire.
Speaker 1: Maybe we could talk about how you got interested in
Speaker 1: the UAP phenomenon, amongst other things. I know we had
Speaker 1: a couple different ideas of why we wanted to bring
Speaker 1: you on, including what happened and it was in upstate
Speaker 1: New York with the helicopter and airplane and there's all
Speaker 1: these conspiracies around it. But I think this is a
Speaker 1: good starting spot, you know, so here it is for
Speaker 1: anyone that's just joining us, right now there is an
Speaker 1: article out there. Excuse me, let me hear I pulled
Speaker 1: up the wrong one. Here. There's an article out there
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and DOGE, which is a Department of
Speaker 1: Government Efficiency wanting to shut down or potentially shut down
Speaker 1: a secretive FBI group probing UFOs and they're worried that
Speaker 1: it's going to get purged. First of all, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that the FBI had their own little fox molder
Speaker 1: and you know Dana Scully. But doesn't surprise me, And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stories that
Speaker 1: came on TV shows like The X Files, those ideas
Speaker 1: came from potential real government operations, as quite often it
Speaker 1: seems to be the case that there's an influence there
Speaker 1: when these great TV programs are created. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me that the government actually now admits that the
Speaker 1: FBA has a group that probes UFOs.
Speaker 6: No surprise to me.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't surprise me if it's not efficient, if it's not
Speaker 4: really getting results or what's happening with it. Unfortunately, with
Speaker 4: a lot of these programs that are not in public purview,
Speaker 4: money gets sent to and then money goes someplace else, and
Speaker 4: that is probably the number one issue that you're going
Speaker 4: to see probably parade in the press and multimedia over
Speaker 4: the next couple of months, because we just have kind
Speaker 4: of lost control of it. We've lost control of who
Speaker 4: is telling whom what they're doing. And I am all
Speaker 4: about the secrecy and the intelligence protections that are required
Speaker 4: to do the kinds of missions that we need to
Speaker 4: do in our military. I'm not I would never divulge
Speaker 4: anything that I knew unless I thought it was unlawful
Speaker 4: because people lives hang in the balance of what we're doing.
Speaker 4: We have bad things that are happening all over the world,
Speaker 4: and we tend to try to have our folks way
Speaker 4: way out on the end of the point the stick
Speaker 4: to try to protect us. But when you see something
Speaker 4: like this come up, a bunch of things come up
Speaker 4: up on it, partially intel in my background as a
Speaker 4: collateral duty. So one of the things I always ask
Speaker 4: is the source of this? You know, how do they
Speaker 4: they bring this up? Who's talked about it? It's interesting
Speaker 4: with this president. Almost any headline generates something that he'll
Speaker 4: put on some x Twitter X file nope and pun
Speaker 4: and tendants of the X file, or he'll put it
Speaker 4: in Truth Central or something like that. I've often said that,
Speaker 4: out of all the presidents we've had, on his first administration,
Speaker 4: I thought this one. I thought President Trump would probably
Speaker 4: be the most likely to open stuff up.
Speaker 6: As opposed to others, because he's not an insider.
Speaker 4: He's not playing any of the games that's on there,
Speaker 4: and you could run the whole gamut of it. If
Speaker 4: we have alien technology, extraterrestrial alien technology reverse engineering it,
Speaker 4: that means everybody on the planet's playing that game. And
Speaker 4: if you don't have it, other countries are going to
Speaker 4: try to penetrate your your intelligence capabilities as best they
Speaker 4: can to get that technology, especially company companies and governments
Speaker 4: that are able to successfully reverse engineer it. If you
Speaker 4: look at the PRC, they are the masters, absolute masters
Speaker 4: of grabbing disgruntal employees loose intelligence networks that I'm secure
Speaker 4: and producing very quickly. After you have spent billions to
Speaker 4: produce something, they're throwing it out.
Speaker 6: And of course, under their.
Speaker 4: Particular system, they don't really give a crap about their people.
Speaker 4: So if they decide they're going to build one hundred
Speaker 4: of these, they're going to build one hundred, and if
Speaker 4: ninety work they don't care about the crews that are
Speaker 4: killed in ten aircraft because they have lots of people
Speaker 4: and it's the collective and all that other happy horseshit
Speaker 4: that goes along with that. So you can see that
Speaker 4: if you have I would not be surprised that almost
Speaker 4: every agency would have some component looking at all these things.
Speaker 4: And the reason being is every agency competes for budget
Speaker 4: every agency competes for positioning, so you want to at
Speaker 4: least know what other people are doing. So if the
Speaker 4: Defense Intelligence Agency is really deep into uap UFO recovery
Speaker 4: and studies, there's going to be at least other intelligence
Speaker 4: agencies that are going to try to at least keep
Speaker 4: track of what they're doing so that they don't fall
Speaker 4: too far behind. And if they can get a breakthrough
Speaker 4: and they can first one into the White House to say,
Speaker 4: look what we found. That's protection, that's budgetary growth, whatever.
Speaker 4: So doesn't surprise me. Second thing when these articles come out,
Speaker 4: one of the most celebrated and hottest topics out there
Speaker 4: is crowdsourcing for intelligence. Crowdsourcing means three guys like us
Speaker 4: with six or seven other people without security clearances are
Speaker 4: sitting in front of a computer and we're just scanning
Speaker 4: to see where people are going. What are you looking
Speaker 4: at it? X? How many people looked at that article
Speaker 4: that you just put up? And then what's the chatter afterwards?
Speaker 4: Who did they send it to? Are they sending it
Speaker 4: to their Facebook? Who on their Facebook.
Speaker 6: Is looking at it?
Speaker 4: It's open source intelligence, crowdsourcing, and it's amazing and it's
Speaker 4: obvious that many things that are being put into our
Speaker 4: media streams are to track where it's going. A few
Speaker 4: years back, the Pope was scheduled to come to the
Speaker 4: United States according to sources. Of course, in this media
Speaker 4: world we live in, somebody says it, no one checks it,
Speaker 4: and fourteen people repeat it, and then they'll also embellish
Speaker 4: it a little bit going down the line. But if
Speaker 4: you are interested to figure out who's interested if the
Speaker 4: Pope did arrive, i e. People that would maybe another
Speaker 4: assassination attempt, you know, cause the Internet uproar on it.
Speaker 4: This is a way to gather where the discussion on
Speaker 4: the media, the new media, the social media is going.
Speaker 4: And you have people again that do not have to
Speaker 4: have big time clearances, don't have to have expensive setups.
Speaker 4: They're just getting paid and they're doing what they love.
Speaker 4: They love surfing the media, and they love putting at
Speaker 4: reports and digging deeper, and you give them a bonus
Speaker 4: if they find something really good. That's pretty good stuff.
Speaker 4: I think that's a lot of things you're going to see.
Speaker 4: You're going to see a lot of articles. And of
Speaker 4: course there's always the spoilers out there. They're going to
Speaker 4: put information out that is purposely trying to throw you
Speaker 4: off the track. It's absolutely deception. It is absolutely decided.
Speaker 4: I always use this line. While you're looking at my
Speaker 4: hand here, my other hand is in your pocket taking
Speaker 4: your wallet out of it.
Speaker 1: That's how I get Don's money.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: You know it's interesting that you mentioned all these different
Speaker 1: psyops with meta data madea data collection. I know that
Speaker 1: I've often talked about the meaning of the words we
Speaker 1: talk or metatron or a collection of data. Who are you?
Speaker 1: What are you? What is meda data? It's the new oil,
Speaker 1: it's the new gold. Why are we giving it up
Speaker 1: for free? But it can be used in a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways, including to project the future. AI components
Speaker 1: can take the data, understand the data, give you assistant
Speaker 1: threat score, social credit scores, try to figure out, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, what your interests are, who's interested in this
Speaker 1: topic and all their ties together they have a whole
Speaker 1: programs based on this. So I got to ask you,
Speaker 1: how did you get interested in this UAP phenomenon. Was
Speaker 1: it a personal experience? Was it something that you heard
Speaker 1: or were you just like me? You're like well, for me,
Speaker 1: I was giving a presentation at the University of Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin on indigenous effigy mounds which had really large skeletons
Speaker 1: of humans in them, between nine and eighteen feet tall.
Speaker 1: And I had Chase Kletchka at the back of the
Speaker 1: room and she introduced herself. You know, had to move
Speaker 1: on at the time. So have you had interest in
Speaker 1: this top subject topic? I joined moufon and I became
Speaker 1: a field investigator. That didn't last long because you know,
Speaker 1: the organization is cool, it's neat, and you learn a
Speaker 1: lot from it. It just did it. It wasn't my thing.
Speaker 1: It was just was my thing, you know, but it
Speaker 1: was very interesting and that's how I got interested in
Speaker 1: this after, you know, having her book set on my shelf.
Speaker 1: I read it after it started to get popular and
Speaker 1: I started to go, well, it's kind of egotistical to
Speaker 1: think that we're the only life out there that mathematically
Speaker 1: it's way more sound that life colonizes planet than us
Speaker 1: coming from it raining on the rocks for millions and
Speaker 1: billions of years. So for me, it was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: evolution a slow period of time, you know, seven eight
Speaker 1: years until I was like, what Chase is right? Like,
Speaker 1: I had to think on it, and you know, I
Speaker 1: started talking to other people. More and more people were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a very good possibility that where this planet
Speaker 1: was seated, life was seated here. Not saying that's what happened,
Speaker 1: just it just makes sense. So for me that was
Speaker 1: my little spiel on it. But how how the hell
Speaker 1: did you get into all this?
Speaker 4: So the first part I have to thank my dad.
Speaker 4: My dad was crazy growing up in the Massachusetts area.
Speaker 4: I'm an early sixties baby, so it was prime time,
Speaker 4: you know, right after the Mercury seven. My dad was
Speaker 4: crazy about space stuff, and then the UFO phenomena really
Speaker 4: hit magazines, all the books. In fact, I wish I
Speaker 4: had most of those paperback books that he had. So
Speaker 4: I grew up in a household that was interested because
Speaker 4: of my dad in the subject. I have taken. I
Speaker 4: took trips very very young aged places like Exeter where
Speaker 4: there was reports because my dad was curious to go
Speaker 4: to those places and they were within very short driving
Speaker 4: distance of where we live where I grew up.
Speaker 6: So that's star art.
Speaker 4: It Also my parents, although very i would say very
Speaker 4: conservative Catholics, for the most part, did not see this
Speaker 4: as incompatible with our religious beliefs.
Speaker 6: And if you really truly read.
Speaker 4: The Bible, there's a lot of the stuff that you
Speaker 4: talked about that kind of fits in the Bible. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of interesting things in there that describe UFO extraterrestrial.
Speaker 6: Type entities in that so none of that.
Speaker 4: Was incompatible that you know, again, critical mind to look
Speaker 4: at it, so that started it. I was always very
Speaker 4: interested in it. I have been in some.
Speaker 6: Of the most lonely, desolate parts of this globe.
Speaker 4: If anybody should have got the free ride or the kidnapping,
Speaker 4: the abduction, it should have been me because I wanted
Speaker 4: to go. That's why I'm not ever going to get
Speaker 4: the opportunity. I think that's how that works. You're not
Speaker 4: supposed to be somebody that did. But I was in
Speaker 4: places in Antarctica by myself in a helicopter, you know,
Speaker 4: bringing gear or dropping it off in these dry valleys
Speaker 4: in Antarctica, probably no other person had been there in millennia,
Speaker 4: easily and absolutely fantastic place. By the way. Nothing I've
Speaker 4: been on lonely, lonely roads all over the United States.
Speaker 4: I'm always looking. I'm always keeping my eyes out. Only
Speaker 4: very recently, with about six years ago, I saw something
Speaker 4: in the sky that did not add up.
Speaker 6: The way the light moved.
Speaker 4: It appeared to be in a fixed position and then
Speaker 4: accelerate where I was southern New England, an area just
Speaker 4: south of Baby, the Hudson Valley area, which had a
Speaker 4: lot of famous activity. It was a very busy night
Speaker 4: on the roads. It wasn't a super good weather night.
Speaker 4: But having the aviator background, I can't help but always
Speaker 4: look at an aircraft and finally wish I was flying it,
Speaker 4: or you know, ritically analyzed what the pilot's doing. That's
Speaker 4: what pilots do. They wish they were flying when they're
Speaker 4: not flying. And then when you're not flying, you like
Speaker 4: to score the other guy our gals card. That's just
Speaker 4: that's just the nature of how we operate. So that
Speaker 4: really is the is the background along the way, I've
Speaker 4: met other people that were interested. Mac maloney many years
Speaker 4: back started the show and he had me on. Very
Speaker 4: funny was Commander X in those days until we found
Speaker 4: out some guy actually had Commander X as an actual
Speaker 4: trademark name and sent us a letter to cease and
Speaker 4: desist using Commander X. I don't know what he does
Speaker 4: because I've never seen any place else but that Mac
Speaker 4: started that, and then that's what we came up with,
Speaker 4: Command of Kob. It's a play on my on, my name,
Speaker 4: my call sign when I'm not wearing the sunglasses on
Speaker 4: on on a podcast.
Speaker 6: So he wrote a lot of interesting books.
Speaker 4: In fact, two of his books about UFOs in Wartime
Speaker 4: I urge anybody if you haven't picked them up mccloney's
Speaker 4: books UFOs in Wartime with they Don't Want You to Know,
Speaker 4: absolutely phenomenal work there. So I met like people and
Speaker 4: when I espectually got to the part of retirement, I
Speaker 4: really had the opportunity to start digging into this deeper.
Speaker 4: And it's a great network of people. That's the other thing.
Speaker 4: The vast majority people I've met connected with this are
Speaker 4: really really good souls globally YEP, there's some really strange things,
Speaker 4: like certain parts of the UFO UAP community don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about Bigfoot, and I've got bigfoot people that
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about u folks.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like forgat it's like, look, I have they
Speaker 1: have all like the as like three hundred different types
Speaker 1: of aliens in it, and I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: know what religion they are and where they're from and
Speaker 1: what's a galactic federation of light? And like who comes
Speaker 1: up with this? I'm not saying there's like listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that like this isn't real. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: this isn't real.
Speaker 6: Okay, Like, yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 4: The other part is if you ever try to bring
Speaker 4: the paranormal aspect into this, then you really are shaking
Speaker 4: up the the gut together. There's a lot of fractures there.
Speaker 4: I tend to be a person who thinks that we
Speaker 4: are looking at intersections of all of those activities.
Speaker 6: You know, you have UFOs, you have people that have.
Speaker 4: Fantastic paranormal type what you would almost call ghosts and
Speaker 4: spirit kind of things go on. Bigfoots a peer cryptids
Speaker 4: appear there's a lot of things into that. I think
Speaker 4: it actually intersects more than its separate categories. I think
Speaker 4: Einstein trying to come up with the unified field theory
Speaker 4: probably fits our communities more than others, because you're crossing
Speaker 4: into another area of physics that we just don't completely
Speaker 4: understand yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I usually tend to lean on the
Speaker 3: subject because, like I've made that observation that you know,
Speaker 3: it seems like a lot of these fields and a ufology, cryptozoology, paranormal, like,
Speaker 3: they all sort of exist within their own little bubbles,
Speaker 3: and there's a typically a lot of resistance to like
Speaker 3: cross those boundaries, you know, in between them. But me
Speaker 3: just my own personal philosophy, you know, I look at
Speaker 3: all life as being interconnected, you know, just just on
Speaker 3: a grand scale. You know, it's us with our environment
Speaker 3: and people existing within the ecosystem and all that sort
Speaker 3: of things. But you know, if we take that macrocosm
Speaker 3: and sort of dial it down into a microcosm, I
Speaker 3: think the same obviously, in my opinion at least very
Speaker 3: much applies to all these sorts of things, you know,
Speaker 3: the paranormal, the UFOs, the cryptozoology, these don't exist as
Speaker 3: isolated incidents on some sort of spectrum. There is an
Speaker 3: interconnectedness with these things, because there's an interconnectedness with everything
Speaker 3: and with all life and with all phenomenon on some level.
Speaker 4: Agreed completely, and I don't think that everything that we
Speaker 4: do here ends when we moved, when we slipped this
Speaker 4: mortal coil.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 4: So, again, compatible with my religious beliefs, I wouldn't go
Speaker 4: to a church that that felt that I'm not going
Speaker 4: to see my departed beloved pets from my my childhood
Speaker 4: all the way and that I've seen that as a huge, uh,
Speaker 4: really aggravating people.
Speaker 6: I remember, you know the first time was brought. Oh no,
Speaker 6: you know, piles.
Speaker 1: Don't have souls, yet.
Speaker 6: Their souls are purer than a lot of people that
Speaker 6: I know, So you know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't buy into My easy way to sum this
Speaker 4: up is I don't buy in putting any kind of
Speaker 4: limits on what God in my in my terminology, the
Speaker 4: ultimate architect of what we're having. I don't have any limits,
Speaker 4: and that includes life on other plants. That that that's it.
Speaker 4: It does not make sense that you think this is
Speaker 4: the only part of it. And then The counter is, well,
Speaker 4: it's not in the Bible. I think if you look
Speaker 4: close enough, I think it is. I have to show
Speaker 4: people parts that that that that indicate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't disagree with you. I
Speaker 1: think the idea that there was a war in the
Speaker 1: heavens right that the esoteric books, the twenty two books
Speaker 1: they pulled out of the Bible, a lot of them
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the war in the heavens, the
Speaker 1: losing team coming here, colonizing the planet, the team that
Speaker 1: whooped its butt came here and then created man in
Speaker 1: a petri dish, much like we were talking about yesterday.
Speaker 1: Show lab grown sperm and you get designed children. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe they designed humans, created us to meet us in
Speaker 1: charge of the planet. Who knows. It's interesting not only that.
Speaker 3: We're talking we've done such a great job. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and you want to know something that that's really fascinating
Speaker 3: about that. It's like we see that myth repeated in
Speaker 3: so many various different beliefs. You know, when I when
Speaker 3: I hear about the war in the heavens, obviously I
Speaker 3: think about you know what Christan has discussed multiple times.
Speaker 3: You know, the things mentioned in the Bible. I also
Speaker 3: think about because I've been a student of theology for
Speaker 3: about twenty years now, since I was a kid, have
Speaker 3: just been really interested in history and religion. I've read
Speaker 3: the Mahabarata and the Boggy vot Giza. So in the
Speaker 3: Hindu faith, you know, we have those things as well.
Speaker 3: And even in my faith, I'm a very devout Norse pagan,
Speaker 3: and you know, we look through Norse law and whatnot.
Speaker 3: We even have mentions of, you know, the war between
Speaker 3: the Ossia the gods and the vond the gods, and
Speaker 3: at the end of that they spit into a cauldron
Speaker 3: to sort of, you know, symbolize their union. And you know,
Speaker 3: when the gods spit into this cauldron, it creates a
Speaker 3: man named Cavassier, which is, you know, supposedly the wisest
Speaker 3: human to have ever lived. So you know, it's all this,
Speaker 3: All these religions have this very symbolic similar story to
Speaker 3: one another, and it's it's incredibly fascinating. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: he certainly can't be a coincidence. There's there's something there
Speaker 3: that connects all of it.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that you've flown to Antarctica, I wanted
Speaker 1: to pick your mind real quick on the idea that
Speaker 1: there's megalithic structures underneath the ice there when you're there,
Speaker 1: like people are saying that there's pyramid shape forums. There
Speaker 1: has to in my opinion, like there's a good chance
Speaker 1: that maybe Atlantis was Antarctica, and due to cranial shifts
Speaker 1: or other things, it's a possibility that it got frozen over.
Speaker 1: There was a great delusion at one point, like there's
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty cities at the bottom of the are
Speaker 1: civilizations at the bottom of the Mediterranean, Where did all
Speaker 1: the water come from? Things shifted so things changed. Antarctica
Speaker 1: could be Atlantis and there could be megalithic structures. What's
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Do they know that there's megalithic structures at
Speaker 1: the bottom of Antarctica or do you think.
Speaker 4: That experience that's three I made three deployments down to Antarctica.
Speaker 4: I circumnavigated the continent once. I didn't penetrate it very much,
Speaker 4: got down to the cell phold just a couple of times,
Speaker 4: and that was more of a ceremonial kind of flight.
Speaker 4: So to understand Antarctica is to understand that you're talking
Speaker 4: in some places six seven, eight, nine thousand feet of
Speaker 4: ice you miiled up on top of the surface of
Speaker 4: that continental area. So that's the first thing you have
Speaker 4: to consider. The second part is if we do have
Speaker 4: structures there, and I have no proof, just like I
Speaker 4: have no proof that FEMA put camps down there and
Speaker 4: other activities that have all been attributed to it, just
Speaker 4: never experienced, never met anybody who whispered it.
Speaker 6: I have endless funny stories.
Speaker 4: Of Antarctica to go from the experience of just being
Speaker 4: with people, but nothing in this realm.
Speaker 6: But it is easy to believe.
Speaker 4: With shifting weather patterns because climate change is a thing.
Speaker 4: I just don't believe that man is having the effect
Speaker 4: that's being put up out.
Speaker 6: But the climate is in constant change.
Speaker 4: I mean medieval times, places like England and northern Europe
Speaker 4: had the temperatures of what you were looking for when
Speaker 4: you were in Florida, when you were in Miami, that
Speaker 4: was the going temperatures thing. So I didn't see anything.
Speaker 4: But I think two things are happening. Weather changes will
Speaker 4: allow us to see more of Antarctica. But realized that
Speaker 4: with that kind of level of ice is probably a
Speaker 4: good chance that you're going to see things that have
Speaker 4: been somewhat crushed. But hold on for that second. I'll
Speaker 4: I'll give you one more piece of that. The other
Speaker 4: part is if we start to look for resources. We
Speaker 4: have developed engineering now that allows it to be somewhat
Speaker 4: practical to go for minerals, to go for activity. Now
Speaker 4: currently it's under treaty not to do that, but we
Speaker 4: all know that treaties don't normally last. They're not really
Speaker 4: worth the paper they're written on. It really is what's
Speaker 4: behind the tree. Reason I said on that building up
Speaker 4: of ice World War two Greenland, we've had a number
Speaker 4: of airplanes that landed on the ice shelf because they
Speaker 4: ran out of fuel, got lost, mechanical problems. There's the
Speaker 4: very famous P thirty eights that landed and they found
Speaker 4: them thirty thirty five years later using ground radar. They
Speaker 4: actually tunneled down, put people down. Then they melted the
Speaker 4: ice all around where the airplane was, and the planes
Speaker 4: were in such shape that they were worth taking apart
Speaker 4: and bringing up the sections, the wings, the fuselages, the
Speaker 4: booms to P thirty eighth. They reassembled them and they
Speaker 4: were worth In fact, one of the airplanes that's out
Speaker 4: there is called Glacier Girl. That's where she got her
Speaker 4: name because she landed on that glacier. So that should
Speaker 4: tell you that there's some possibility of recovering or finding
Speaker 4: things if we get to that point. It would not
Speaker 4: surprise me in the least. We think we know. What
Speaker 4: we don't realize is that we will never appreciate what
Speaker 4: we don't know. We will never sit there and go.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like the guy who says I'm an expert.
Speaker 4: I'm always worried when I get around someone who says
Speaker 4: they're an expert. I prefer the really, really smart person
Speaker 4: I think as an expert that says I am still
Speaker 4: figuring stuff out, I'm still learning this stuff. That's just
Speaker 4: I think the nature of the approach. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think Antarctica has a lot of possibilities. Didn't see a thing,
Speaker 4: did not see a thing?
Speaker 3: What I find thing about Antarctica and just the possibility of,
Speaker 3: you know, what we could potentially discover there. So when
Speaker 3: we look at strange historical anomalies like the Peri Raus map,
Speaker 3: for example, which most cartographers and experts quote unquote have
Speaker 3: essentially come to a consensus that the perie Raus map
Speaker 3: was constructed by copying much much older source maps that
Speaker 3: go back, you know, even longer, which for people that
Speaker 3: don't know, the peri Raus map was a map made
Speaker 3: by a Turkish admiral named period Rais and about the
Speaker 3: fifteen hundreds. And the interesting thing about this map, at
Speaker 3: least with regard to this conversation, is that it shows
Speaker 3: Antarctica without any ice on it, and at the time,
Speaker 3: allegedly Antarctica hadn't been discovered yet. It is the official
Speaker 3: narratives that Antarctica was discovered in the eighteen hundreds, sometime
Speaker 3: about in the eighteen hundreds. What I've find interesting about
Speaker 3: that is that it shows its Antarctica as having these
Speaker 3: very lush jungles, and we know now from some of
Speaker 3: the latest scientific research, at about fifteen million years ago
Speaker 3: Antarctica was in fact a very lush rainforest. And so
Speaker 3: it's just these little anomalies that I find really interesting that,
Speaker 3: you know, lends potential credence to the idea that you know,
Speaker 3: there might be something they're worth looking into.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, Now a couple One interesting thing I always
Speaker 4: like when I have discussion, do you understand where the
Speaker 4: word Antarctica comes from.
Speaker 1: I noticed that it has anti in it, much like
Speaker 1: Atlantis or Ante okay, Atlantic.
Speaker 4: And that may and that that also has a possible
Speaker 4: tie in Arctica. The name for the north is based
Speaker 4: on ersa majurist, the constellation of the mother and baby bear.
Speaker 4: So the Greeks named the northern regions Arctica for their
Speaker 4: words for bear, ant being not not Antarctica land not
Speaker 4: of the bear. Interesting side note, polar bears are only
Speaker 4: in the northern hemisphere.
Speaker 6: No polar bears and Antarctica.
Speaker 4: I always thought that was kind of an so much
Speaker 4: a coincidence that I'm not sure is a coincidence. We
Speaker 4: know that the Greeks and the Polynesians and probably a
Speaker 4: couple of the others definitely had explored and been in
Speaker 4: areas much further south, and I think this is where
Speaker 4: a lot of the map information came from. I think
Speaker 4: if they approached it, especially on the outer edges down
Speaker 4: by South America, down by Africa, they would have seen that.
Speaker 4: And if it was the end of the period. The
Speaker 4: only thing that I don't have a really good reference
Speaker 4: is looking at the time when week started, when European
Speaker 4: man started to really arrive in Antarctica, and they were
Speaker 4: really driven there because they were whaling. That was the
Speaker 4: big activity that drove them into this area. Is that
Speaker 4: you don't find evidence of the reported far station that
Speaker 4: was there.
Speaker 6: I have seen.
Speaker 4: Fossilized wood there in Antarctica. It's actually pretty easy to
Speaker 4: find if you know where to, if you go with
Speaker 4: the scientists that can show you where it's at and
Speaker 4: you pick it up and you realize, while I'm looking
Speaker 4: at petrified wood, so that's not There were parts that
Speaker 4: I went with scientists where they had they were recovering
Speaker 4: meteorites that had hit and melted into the ice, and
Speaker 4: they you know, when they would get a little bit
Speaker 4: of melting, they would dig in and pull them out.
Speaker 4: Absolutely amazing. I still can't believe that they figure out
Speaker 4: how to pop one into my pocket. I was so
Speaker 4: amazed that I was looking and helping people recover meteorites
Speaker 4: that were in the ice. I I completely missed my opportunity.
Speaker 4: But there is very interesting stuff around both the North
Speaker 4: and the South. But I think a lot is held
Speaker 4: in Antarctica that is yet to be revealed. And because
Speaker 4: of our crazy geopolitical situation, we're gonna we're gonna fight
Speaker 4: over every scrap of that as well. Now, if you're
Speaker 4: going to bring up the part about the Operation High
Speaker 4: Jump Jump, yeah, I don't think we fought a battle
Speaker 4: down there with ets. I don't think we fought a
Speaker 4: battle with Nazis that relocated down there. I just don't
Speaker 4: see anything that lends me to believe that you could
Speaker 4: cover that up that well. But who knows. I could
Speaker 4: be wrong, but I didn't see anything to kind of
Speaker 4: back it up.
Speaker 1: How do we lose like fifteen ships in Operation High Jump?
Speaker 1: That's what was interesting. Who knows what the real purpose
Speaker 1: was down there? Maybe you know who was the Admiral
Speaker 1: byrd led that.
Speaker 6: Bird, that's correct, you know, And he he had.
Speaker 1: Some weird things to say about the true North and
Speaker 1: South Pole. Whether that's accurate or not, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just uh, you know, there's all these lore and legends,
Speaker 1: just like they have the leg was at the North Pole,
Speaker 1: they have the yetti. You know, where do these legends
Speaker 1: come from? Do people see weird things because they're out
Speaker 1: in the snowy Is it of a polar bear they
Speaker 1: don't know in the north or is it something down
Speaker 1: in art? God? Do they have like any uh, let's say,
Speaker 1: a paranormal activity and claims that people see certain things
Speaker 1: while they're down there.
Speaker 4: I've never heard anything come up from Antarctica where people now,
Speaker 4: obviously there has been some things about people that have perished,
Speaker 4: you know, in structures and in camps. I think that's
Speaker 4: almost a common human experience and I think there's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of validity to that.
Speaker 4: If you ever look at the ghost stories of airmen
Speaker 4: UH in Britain, in UK there are some absolutely amazing
Speaker 4: stories of airman network killed World War One, the anter
Speaker 4: war years, you know, walking around being seen people walking
Speaker 4: from one building to the other at night, seeing a
Speaker 4: guy and fairly old garb they're curious, they fall and
Speaker 4: he goes into a building. They follow him into the building,
Speaker 4: he's not there. Goes into a hall and he's not there.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of that, not much that I
Speaker 4: can actually put my finger on for Antarctica that you know,
Speaker 4: that war that's there partially because you have a very
Speaker 4: cyclical lifestyle there. You have a small group of people
Speaker 4: that stay over our summer, which is their winter in
Speaker 4: the southern hemisphere, so you usually have a very small
Speaker 4: group and that's really there to keep the place from
Speaker 4: not burning down and making sure that you don't you know,
Speaker 4: that you don't damage your infrastructure. Then in our winter,
Speaker 4: which is summer in the in the Southern hemisphere, that's
Speaker 4: when it swallows up. You have large numbers of people
Speaker 4: to get down there, you know, scientists mainly, and then
Speaker 4: you have all the support people, the people that are
Speaker 4: you know, providing all the everything from the cooking and
Speaker 4: cleaning to all the activity. These to run the sites
Speaker 4: to make them work, people that run the flights, the
Speaker 4: flights that are coming back and forth from primarily for us,
Speaker 4: from New Zealand where we have our detachments, and that's
Speaker 4: when the numbers swell. So you don't have that constant experience.
Speaker 4: You do have people that suffer from isolation. NASA studies
Speaker 4: the people down at the Sealth Pole who winter over
Speaker 4: for the Sealth Pole. They've studied them for decades because
Speaker 4: they are wandering how do you find compatible people for
Speaker 4: long term space flight? And it's a really good place
Speaker 4: for doing that because they're very, very isolated.
Speaker 6: No one can get to them.
Speaker 4: As you remember years back when the doctor that was
Speaker 4: at the South Pole needed to be lifted out because
Speaker 4: of her cancer diagnosis, and they had to way to
Speaker 4: a very specific period and it was a very risky
Speaker 4: mission that got her out because they just normally do
Speaker 4: not go. You're down there for a couple months with
Speaker 4: no contact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting only like fictional story or mytholog or folklore.
Speaker 1: Story I heard about in Arctica was the organism forty
Speaker 1: six meters where it was like an octopus that can
Speaker 1: control people's brains underwater, which was a prominent like fictional
Speaker 1: story I think that was told and the urban legends
Speaker 1: that come from Antarctica. That was one of them. That
Speaker 1: they drilled into the ice and they got some thirty
Speaker 1: three foot long aquatic like octopus like creature that could
Speaker 1: read people's minds and make them go insane.
Speaker 6: So do they know is reading his minds?
Speaker 1: How do they know? I don't know. That's interesting is
Speaker 1: they said mind control, mind control is controlling people's minds
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was something of that nature. It was
Speaker 1: a cephalopod or something like that. There's some generic you know,
Speaker 1: sorry who.
Speaker 4: Happened prehistoric findings down there that were buried in the
Speaker 4: ice that were sea creatures that are absolutely amazing. You
Speaker 4: just throw that into any search engine, you'll be amazed.
Speaker 3: And was it the first giant squid discovered an intent
Speaker 3: arctor or.
Speaker 4: I believe it was as well as the Russian that
Speaker 4: when they did their they're drilling down through the ice
Speaker 4: to get to a lake and there was a big
Speaker 4: under the ice lake.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of.
Speaker 4: Angst about that because they didn't want that water to
Speaker 4: become infected with the surface, because you're going to forever
Speaker 4: change it. But also to see the water, to sample
Speaker 4: that water and to bring that water in would tell
Speaker 4: you a lot because it's kind of been locked in
Speaker 4: time to some extent on that. The same thing with
Speaker 4: the ice coring out they do in the north, the
Speaker 4: northern the Arctic regions, they do a lot of ice
Speaker 4: coring going in Greenland up on the ice packs as well.
Speaker 4: I did a lot of support flying scientists doing that.
Speaker 4: And then they look at the course and it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: It's like looking at the rings of a tree. You
Speaker 4: can see all kinds of different things are happening in
Speaker 4: the atmosphere all the way, you know, going down as
Speaker 4: far as you can get to the bottom of it,
Speaker 4: getting the bottom of the ice, not the bottom of everything.
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to a double n times for there.
Speaker 1: Well, there's whole ecosystems in the bottom of the ice
Speaker 1: that may have never been disturbed, you know, Like, so
Speaker 1: we don't know what kind of prehistoric you know, animals
Speaker 1: or you know, beings could be underneath in those giant
Speaker 1: lakes and reservoir reservoirs underneath the ice and glaciers. So,
Speaker 1: you know, Antarctica is the interesting subject and we don't
Speaker 1: really have or had a lot of time or opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to anyone about it who's been there. So
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you because you you've actually
Speaker 1: been to Antarctica. To they like, so, what's it like
Speaker 1: you're flying to Antarctica? You land, It isn't like a
Speaker 1: giant resort, right, No, but.
Speaker 4: No, so people, The way I got there is I
Speaker 4: was on a ship, okay, ship the coast. Oh well,
Speaker 4: it takes us two and a half months, two months
Speaker 4: to get down there. We spent about two two and
Speaker 4: a half months breaking nights. Our whole mission on that
Speaker 4: ship is to break a channel so that you can
Speaker 4: get the resupply ship in. And the resupply ship does
Speaker 4: two things. It brings in all the material for the
Speaker 4: remaining of that season, plus the winter over and enough
Speaker 4: to open up the season the following spring, and it
Speaker 4: takes all the garbage and trash out because one of
Speaker 4: the things that we try to do is not damage Antarctica,
Speaker 4: so you'll recycle or pull out almost everything. Very little
Speaker 4: is left in Antarctica. They do their absolute very best
Speaker 4: not to damage it by leaving behind. Now we were
Speaker 4: always acting that way. There are places where, in fact,
Speaker 4: one of the missions that my aviation unit I wasn't
Speaker 4: on it, but one of my aviation units they went
Speaker 4: and picked up drums that were left over from a
Speaker 4: nineteen fifties expedition out of site that had bad materials
Speaker 4: left in them, and they didn't want to leave them
Speaker 4: there because it would have leaked and caused problems. So
Speaker 4: we've definitely are getting to become better. Steward's always room
Speaker 4: for improvement there. So the aviation detachment of my days
Speaker 4: on the icebreaker. Once we got within range, we would
Speaker 4: fly off and base off at McMurdo, which is the
Speaker 4: largest of the bases, and it's the US base, and
Speaker 4: we would set up shop. It's easier for us to
Speaker 4: operate off from the base and support what the ship
Speaker 4: is doing. Plus move people around in the science community
Speaker 4: and get things set up. So those are the two
Speaker 4: things going on now there are at that base. There
Speaker 4: were nightclubs of sorts, there were bars, There was lots
Speaker 4: of great activities that went on. Absolutely phenomenal, beautiful stuff.
Speaker 4: You do see penguins in that center picture right above
Speaker 4: our heads.
Speaker 6: That's an emperor penguin that's there. They're the ones that
Speaker 6: are about two to three feet and some of them
Speaker 6: get so used to people they actually start to act
Speaker 6: like domestic chickens. They're not afraid of you, and they'll
Speaker 6: come up because they're looking for something, looking for a handout.
Speaker 6: And I will have anybody in your audience.
Speaker 4: Who's really interested to look up the photojournalist noorb Wu
Speaker 4: Wu norb Wu some of the finest documentary photography work
Speaker 4: I've ever seen down there. Just phenomenal stuff. He was
Speaker 4: just absolute a great guy to work with, beautiful pictures.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you one tough guy.
Speaker 4: That picture of those whales right there, that is typical
Speaker 4: norb Right there, we would be flying along.
Speaker 6: He would see young male.
Speaker 4: Orcs, which are fairly aggressive, punkish, just like young male
Speaker 4: men can be when they're in a large group. He
Speaker 4: would signal in the helicopter, we'd land alongside, he'd run out,
Speaker 4: and he would just jump in his wetsuit with the camera,
Speaker 4: get right in the middle of them and get these
Speaker 4: unbelievable pictures and I'll figure.
Speaker 1: It, this is it.
Speaker 4: My career is over because I'm gonna I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to bring back parts of Norb. He just fed himself
Speaker 4: to these orct and he just did it. Phenomenal guy,
Speaker 4: Absolutely phenomenal guy. And maybe some other time on the show,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you a funny story that he convinced me
Speaker 4: to fly over Mount Arabas. If you go down, bring
Speaker 4: your screen down a little bit. Poppas direct. She were going,
Speaker 4: by the way, a little bit further up right there.
Speaker 4: That is what you're looking at.
Speaker 6: Right there.
Speaker 4: That is McMurdo where you're at, and that area on
Speaker 4: the top, I'm pretty sure you're looking at Mount Erebus
Speaker 4: in the background there, or it might be off to
Speaker 4: the left. That's the sometimes active volcano. And Norb wanted
Speaker 4: to get pictures of it. So we climbed way up
Speaker 4: fifteen thousand feet to get over at the top and
Speaker 4: then crusted and came back down. Not supposed to fly
Speaker 4: without oxygen above ten twelve thousand feet thirty minute limit,
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, so we screwed it up as
Speaker 4: quick as we.
Speaker 6: Could and landed.
Speaker 4: But phenomenal, phenomenal guy, phenomenal work.
Speaker 1: There are there a lot of UAP sightings UFO sightings
Speaker 1: over Antarctica. You would think, out of all places that
Speaker 1: have dark knight sky, that would be the place to see.
Speaker 6: Well, here's the problem.
Speaker 4: You have dark knight sky for about six months, right,
Speaker 4: and nobody's there because it's the winter and it's so hillacious,
Speaker 4: the wind is blowing, it's so difficult. Most people are
Speaker 4: not outside very much. I knew two guys that spent
Speaker 4: the winter over because they get paid a huge bonus.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 4: And when they had two clear nights, they got on
Speaker 4: their snow machines and they drove out onto the ice
Speaker 4: pack and they described the Australia. For riellis that what
Speaker 4: they experienced down there was amazing, absolutely amazing to see
Speaker 4: that kind of light show that was there, the colors
Speaker 4: and everything like. We have to get really far north
Speaker 4: in the Arctic to see the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So that was I think a very unique. I've never
Speaker 4: heard anybody talk about UFO activity that was seen there,
Speaker 4: and you will notice it when you throw it off.
Speaker 4: It's very very obvious when you see an aircraft because
Speaker 4: it's very quiet. You know, you know when the helicopters
Speaker 4: are flying, can hear them. You can tell when our
Speaker 4: smaller airplanes that are doing support work, and when the
Speaker 4: jets are coming in and out, the large transport jets
Speaker 4: that they are coming in out. They actually land things
Speaker 4: like I think it was. The last interesting one I
Speaker 4: saw was a seven eight seven seven seven, I think
Speaker 4: a triple seven landed that was on contract Sea seventeenth land.
Speaker 4: Their CEA fives used to land there, and we have
Speaker 4: a complement of C one thirties that are based there
Speaker 4: for the season and then they return up to up
Speaker 4: to New Zealand for the or all the way back
Speaker 4: up to the States for servicing before they go back
Speaker 4: down for the next season.
Speaker 1: Wild So that's interesting. The whole idea of being in
Speaker 1: South America also is very interesting. The ancient megalithic structures
Speaker 1: there always had my interest. I've always been interested in
Speaker 1: the ancient pyramids, and you know, the Amazon rainforests and
Speaker 1: did you spend any time in South America as well
Speaker 1: or just that My.
Speaker 6: Time has mainly been in Mexico. When we.
Speaker 4: My non military time, I was working as a contractor.
Speaker 4: We had sold a helicopter to a nation down there
Speaker 4: and they were looking for instruction and how to you know,
Speaker 4: basically operate this helicopter. They wanted to emulate a similar
Speaker 4: capability that we had, so I did that for a year.
Speaker 6: I have seen some of them.
Speaker 4: Of the of the pyramids in Mexico, you know, they're
Speaker 4: very close to the coast on both west and east coast,
Speaker 4: very very to me, amazingly interesting. I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 4: to see the pyramids in Egypt as well, another amazing
Speaker 4: kind of of structure to see. And the mathematics involved
Speaker 4: in both a math undergrad guide, not that I'm very
Speaker 4: good at it, but the mathematics involved in them is amazing,
Speaker 4: as well as their orientations when you start to study
Speaker 4: and understand how they align. Astronomical alignment as well as well.
Speaker 1: They used the stars as a map, so a lot
Speaker 1: of times when they built the cities, the cities were
Speaker 1: based off of constellations that were important to them. That's
Speaker 1: why Washington d c aligns up with Cairo, Egypt and
Speaker 1: the pyramids there because that's how they travel. They knew
Speaker 1: if they'd followed the beltline, they would find other cities
Speaker 1: at some point or land up in Egypt or DC
Speaker 1: or wherever. It was.
Speaker 4: So interesting there. I have a very interesting site not
Speaker 4: too far from where I live, run by the a
Speaker 4: family named Stone. They call it American Stonehenge Denni, and
Speaker 4: it was featured on In Search of Again, another program
Speaker 4: I used to watch with my dad late sixties. Actually
Speaker 4: that was a seventies program. Leonard need Moy was the host,
Speaker 4: and I never forget that. We watched the show and
Speaker 4: it has astrono astrological alignments, it has astronomical alignments. It
Speaker 4: had things that look like sacrifice tables. It's been a
Speaker 4: very interesting site that's come up referred to it's Those
Speaker 4: are the first two pictures there on the left. Great
Speaker 4: family that runs it, Wonderful People, has a very interesting
Speaker 4: history of people that had it. It was found during
Speaker 4: the early colonial period that was there. There has been
Speaker 4: some really sad vandalism that's occurred there over the years
Speaker 4: and changes that were done to it by different people
Speaker 4: that owned it. It's a very nominal fee to go.
Speaker 4: But what's most interesting is when you go to it,
Speaker 4: you're actually going into a neighborhood in Salem, New Hampshire.
Speaker 4: You just basically are driving into a residential neighborhood and
Speaker 4: you come to this site. They have the parking lot
Speaker 4: in the front opening you up and it's very wooded
Speaker 4: and open in the back park. But you know, literally
Speaker 4: people's backyards are right up against this and they've done
Speaker 4: a lot of work to document and line it up.
Speaker 4: They've used a lot of different technologies in the last
Speaker 4: few years. There's a very good chance there is a
Speaker 4: serpentine type wall that rings the entire structure that they
Speaker 4: have found pieces of now that they think is there,
Speaker 4: which leads to who built this. It doesn't appear to
Speaker 4: be Native American construction. And there has been everything from Phoenician,
Speaker 4: Viking or is it multiple people over different cultures that
Speaker 4: have come to this site that have oh, I see
Speaker 4: what they did here and then put their marks on it.
Speaker 4: Very very interesting. I think at one point it was
Speaker 4: even documented that they used this as a place.
Speaker 6: To store food in the winter.
Speaker 4: Colonists because those structures Native Americans in the northern part
Speaker 4: of the States would do that. You know, basically it
Speaker 4: was refrigeration. It was free refrigeration. And many anthropologists say
Speaker 4: that we learned that from wolves. Wolves, when they get
Speaker 4: to kill and they have access, if they have the building,
Speaker 4: they'll dig holes in cold ground to put the meat
Speaker 4: down there and then cover it, knowing that they have
Speaker 4: a pretty good chance that it won't go bad during it,
Speaker 4: so if things get lean, they can come back for it.
Speaker 4: And we may have learned that from them. I think
Speaker 4: the reverse of them learning it from us is probably
Speaker 4: not too probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was at American stoneheage one of the
Speaker 1: things that came up that look very Celtic like.
Speaker 6: And that's what we have there.
Speaker 1: And as you can see, there's a place where the
Speaker 1: blood drains and they have the actual uh you know,
Speaker 1: the lines around it that would lead it down. It's
Speaker 1: kind of set up as a tail. But this isn't
Speaker 1: light this stone here, it's got to be a ridiculous
Speaker 1: amount of weight. I'm guessing it's it's got to be
Speaker 1: over a thousand pounds. It's just heavy, just heavy, and
Speaker 1: they have tons of these and it's not just like
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not just this location all over
Speaker 1: the East coast they have similar stone like structures. A
Speaker 1: lot of people believe the colonize, the colonizers, they're the
Speaker 1: ones that built it, but it's starting to look like
Speaker 1: more and more that maybe the Celts. There's a you know,
Speaker 1: a few thousand Celtic people, maybe the Vikings, like you mentioned.
Speaker 1: But it does align with stonehenge in Europe. That's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing.
Speaker 6: Yep, it surely does.
Speaker 4: And if you now look at there's a I'm sure
Speaker 4: if you look long enough, you'll find the astrological areas.
Speaker 4: You know, trees have grown, the stones have cut some
Speaker 4: of those trees, so you can see it. You actually
Speaker 4: can go and see the observations of the different times
Speaker 4: of years. Obviously, the big ones are always going to
Speaker 4: be spring and autumnal solstices, that's our equinoxes, excuse me.
Speaker 4: And then the solstices and the alignments are there so
Speaker 4: very similar to activities you see in Europe, very similar.
Speaker 4: You see activities all the way through into Asia as well.
Speaker 4: But this tends to have a very to me, a
Speaker 4: very strong European or Mediterranean into Europe culture kind of
Speaker 4: background to it, and it just doesn't conveniently fit into anything.
Speaker 4: And of course we've people have mucked around with it
Speaker 4: and to just throw it off a little bit that
Speaker 4: it's not an easy detectable. But you have all along
Speaker 4: the New England coast all the way going up to
Speaker 4: the Maritimes of Canada, countless Viking, countless Celtic. We even
Speaker 4: have very good evidence that we in western mass that
Speaker 4: we have the burial of a templar or a descendant
Speaker 4: of a templar that where a knight is there. There's
Speaker 4: very very good evidence that that exists. Great look for
Speaker 4: anybody who's interested in doing it. And as you said,
Speaker 4: this is not unique to New England. No, We've got
Speaker 4: some of these activities all through the United States.
Speaker 1: Near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, we have this. We have an old
Speaker 1: stone had found at the bottom of Lake Michigan and
Speaker 1: they actually had a Mastadon carved into one of these
Speaker 1: like stones and they're like, well, man never walked with
Speaker 1: mastdon So it must be a fake. It must be
Speaker 1: a fraud. This must be something.
Speaker 6: Else, right, because it could never be the other thing right.
Speaker 1: Christ Yeah, it could absolutely always have to.
Speaker 6: Be a fake or a fraud.
Speaker 4: And it reminds me that BC Comic do you remember
Speaker 4: that comic BC was The The Cavemen.
Speaker 1: Ok.
Speaker 4: I always remember one the guy had carved two skulls
Speaker 4: and he put him on top of a cliff and
Speaker 4: he put one down at the bottom of the cliff,
Speaker 4: and his neighbor comes by. He goes, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: He goes, Ah, ten thousand years from now, some scientists
Speaker 4: is going to come along and he's going to spend
Speaker 4: the rest of his life trying to figure out why
Speaker 4: there's two skulls on the top of the cliff and
Speaker 4: one down on the bottom. And it was a really
Speaker 4: fun way to poke fund that. Too many people approach
Speaker 4: this that they have a preconceived idea and then they
Speaker 4: want everything to fit that instead of really going with science.
Speaker 4: With science says you want everything to be thrown off.
Speaker 4: You want to keep finding out, You want to disprove
Speaker 4: stuff to lead you to the right discovery. We kind
Speaker 4: of get we're kind of lately have gotten it ass backwards.
Speaker 1: Well, and where did all the water come from for?
Speaker 1: And when when did they have time to build this
Speaker 1: and everything else that's on the bottom of Lake Michigan,
Speaker 1: you know, in between Chicago and Milwaukee here. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go down there and check
Speaker 1: it out. And the pictures that have been taken down
Speaker 1: there a little rough, but uh, they say that the
Speaker 1: formation of large shows and some of them are three
Speaker 1: thousand pounds.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a pretty big and heavy stone. That's
Speaker 1: over a ton, and so it's pretty interesting. It's that
Speaker 1: carving's believed to represent prehistoric animals are on it, such
Speaker 1: as a mastodon which was related to an elephant, and
Speaker 1: that's right here in Lake Michigan, right by me here
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, not too far off. And of course
Speaker 1: we have the Aztalan Pyramid Mounds and all this unexplained
Speaker 1: history right here. So Commander Cobra here, we got a
Speaker 1: we got a couple questions here before we let you go.
Speaker 1: First of all, we've got to let listeners know where
Speaker 1: they can find out more about you. Tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about your show, Up Crossfire.
Speaker 6: Up Crossfire.
Speaker 4: Don Ecker, Christaprano and Dan the Padre are my co hosts.
Speaker 6: They really carry the show. I am just there causing trouble.
Speaker 4: UAP Crossfire was the creation of our producer Bill Skywatcher,
Speaker 4: that you all know real well, very very talented guy.
Speaker 4: He wanted to throw up discussion on what was going on.
Speaker 4: So you can imagine in the last few months we've
Speaker 4: been pretty busy talking about drones. Is at the end
Speaker 4: of time? Is it wore the World's Part two? Oh
Speaker 4: never mind, everything's fine. The fa knew the whole time.
Speaker 4: We had that, and then we we tear into whatever
Speaker 4: has comes up with it, you know, the disclosure and part.
Speaker 4: Don Ecker a UFO magazine with his wife Vicki the
Speaker 4: the Silverback of Uifology as he got tagged many years back.
Speaker 4: Incredible story and and Don Chris A. H is a
Speaker 4: retired detective Upstate New York Muffon member director, so he
Speaker 4: brings his police kind of way of doing this into it.
Speaker 4: The Padre Dan Carlson is a minister in the Dakotas
Speaker 4: also an author, wrote a couple of books on the
Speaker 4: subject of cryptids, which is really good science fiction reading,
Speaker 4: fun stuff, and he is a recent add on. In fact,
Speaker 4: the way he came to the show was he contacted
Speaker 4: me on email. We started talking and then the next thing,
Speaker 4: you know, I travel a lot from my job, so
Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure we always had at least
Speaker 4: three people some nights we were down to two and
Speaker 4: as you guys know how it goes when you do
Speaker 4: in a live block, it's really really hard to sometimes
Speaker 4: keep everything together with the way the world is. So
Speaker 4: those are the great. They are three of the best
Speaker 4: that you will see. Like I said, I think I
Speaker 4: probably am the class when it comes to their capabilities
Speaker 4: and their backgrounds.
Speaker 6: We discussed it.
Speaker 4: Every week we try to tear into some subject. As
Speaker 4: you can imagine, the tragedy in watching the DC has
Speaker 4: been really quite dominant for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: And anybody would like to reach out to me, it's
Speaker 4: in my name for the show tonight. It's Commander Krober
Speaker 4: kg R, a dB at gmail dot com. I always
Speaker 4: try to respond to the emails. Sometimes you get them
Speaker 4: from when I'm in the Mideast, so you'll see a
Speaker 4: strange time stamp to your local time when I write
Speaker 4: it back to you. But I'm glad to try to
Speaker 4: answer it. And I criticism is as much as compliment,
Speaker 4: and I've had some really great ideas from the audience
Speaker 4: over the years, and I love connecting them up with
Speaker 4: other shows. Obviously a big fan of Yours of Yours,
Speaker 4: Chris and I look forward to hopefully coming on with
Speaker 4: you again. Is a real privileged thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, no problem. We're always glad to have you
Speaker 1: and we're always growing. And it's like one of the
Speaker 1: things we haven't done a whole lot here is I
Speaker 1: have had a lot of our fellow talk radio show
Speaker 1: hosts that are on KYGR on this broadcast. I know,
Speaker 1: I've had a chance to spend time with Clyde Lewis
Speaker 1: from Ground zero and absolutely one.
Speaker 6: Of my favorite people on the planet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really included. You two included, but Clyde. Clyde
Speaker 4: spends a lot of time with me in the car.
Speaker 4: He just doesn't realize it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Clyde is awesome. You know John B. Wells, I've
Speaker 1: met him, but I have we haven't had a lot
Speaker 1: of the like Mark D'Antonio and I are like bros,
Speaker 1: Like whenever we go to these I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I would never have guessed that, never in a million
Speaker 4: years when I have guessed that you two would have
Speaker 4: the bro title going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he actually did my uh double windsor ties
Speaker 1: for me whatever. I'm like, I can't do a double
Speaker 1: windsor and he's like, I got you and you'd make it,
Speaker 1: you'd take it off, and he'd give it to me,
Speaker 1: like before a presentation or whatever it would be, because
Speaker 1: I do a presentation a lot of it on William Cooper,
Speaker 1: because I filed a FOY and got three hundred pages
Speaker 1: back on the murder of William Cooper, amongst other things,
Speaker 1: including his indictment of m J which was riled with
Speaker 1: the government, which is interesting because that's under top secret
Speaker 1: or under a listing of some kind of security clearance.
Speaker 1: And I happened to get my hands on it because
Speaker 1: I filed a FOYA and somebody who was close to
Speaker 1: Cooper sent me the MJ twelve documents, which was interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know a lot about it.
Speaker 1: I just know that I sent it to some people
Speaker 1: with clearance and they said if they looked at it,
Speaker 1: they could lose their clearance, So I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know whatever that means they looked at it and then
Speaker 1: they go up, or they didn't look at it all.
Speaker 4: I'll throw it out to you, gentlemen. Maybe you've seen it,
Speaker 4: maybe you have not. To your audience. On Amazon, there
Speaker 4: is the Ipcress File, which is the famous movie that
Speaker 4: was out in the sixties. There's a modern version of it.
Speaker 4: The modern version I usually am pretty much down when
Speaker 4: anybody redoes it. Absolutely worth your time, because anybody in
Speaker 4: this audience that knows anything about MG twelve will understand
Speaker 4: some of the lacing that is behind that adaption of
Speaker 4: that story. O.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of misinformation, intentionally propaganda arms. You know,
Speaker 1: they have all these different projects. And you know, what's
Speaker 1: really interesting about the MG twelve document that I was
Speaker 1: given is how much of it became true. And I've
Speaker 1: gone over that and it's interesting in the show. I
Speaker 1: haven't published it anywhere, but I think I might sometime
Speaker 1: soon because nobody else has. You can't find it anywhere else,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting on a copy of it or two.
Speaker 1: So that being said, Commander Cobra, I appreciate you. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and listen to you on the radio?
Speaker 1: What time is your show at.
Speaker 4: We're on Thursday evenings Live zero correction eight pm to
Speaker 4: ten pm Eastern Standard time twenty hundred to twenty two
Speaker 4: hundred for those military types that don't understand Mickey's big
Speaker 4: hand and little hand business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 6: We'll be back very much a privilege.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, Drew Arnold will be joining us. He's done music
Speaker 1: videos for Beyonce and Kanye West, amongst other things. He's
Speaker 1: got a great data program where he's crew tens thousands
Speaker 1: of points of data where donors' money come from and
Speaker 1: terror cell organizations that are funding different political campaigns right
Speaker 1: here in the United States. We're gonna Drew Arnold on
Speaker 1: the broadcast tomorrow. Should be a good show. Today's guest
Speaker 1: is come Commander Cobra. Make sure you check out his program.
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