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Speaker 3: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 3: Hello Charlie, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi know, thanks great to.
Speaker 3: Have you with us today.
Speaker 1: All in from Wisconsin, Yes, central Wisconsin, and I think you.
Speaker 3: May be our first guest caller from Wisconsin. I don't
Speaker 3: recall another one from that part of the states. Oh cool,
Speaker 3: So forgive me out there. If you have been a
Speaker 3: guest and you're from.
Speaker 4: Wisconsin, probably my next door neighbor or something, right, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe the thing is I've I've had multiple guests from
Speaker 4: just about every single state, So yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 3: Now, Charlie, you have some experiences to share with our listeners.
Speaker 3: Would you be kind enough to start at the beginning please, sir?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah. The first couple of experiences are in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and then we hop over to Tucson, Arizona, where we
Speaker 1: lived for four years, and then back to here. So
Speaker 1: the first experience was in nineteen eighty nine. My brother,
Speaker 1: my younger brother, and our best friend were goofing around
Speaker 1: on a Wiji board and which was you know, not
Speaker 1: common but not uncommon at that time. And my brother
Speaker 1: and I had lost our dad when I was eleven,
Speaker 1: he was eight, so that comes into the story a
Speaker 1: little bit. So we were messing around a little bit
Speaker 1: on the wage aboard. We were just asking questions and typically,
Speaker 1: you know, like you kind of assume that other people
Speaker 1: are moving the planchet around, and that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I did. My brother was kind of a funny guy
Speaker 1: and I figured he might be moving it around. So
Speaker 1: eventually we made contact with an ent dear spirit or
Speaker 1: whatever that claims to be our dad, which really freaked
Speaker 1: me out, and I actually didn't think it was very funny.
Speaker 1: I thought my brother was messing with me. And we
Speaker 1: started asking him questions, and we asked a question about
Speaker 1: have you ever tried giving us an presence since since
Speaker 1: you were gone? And he said yes, and then we said, well,
Speaker 1: what did you What did you give us? Nothing happened,
Speaker 1: so we thought, oh, you know, like I thought, I
Speaker 1: thought my brother couldn't think of anything to spell out.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, it went really quickly
Speaker 1: to VCR. And I'm like, VCR what I thought he
Speaker 1: was trying to spell spell something out else out to
Speaker 1: the younger people out there. This was in the late eighties,
Speaker 1: so VCRs weren't real common. This would have been like
Speaker 1: around nineteen eighty six that we are eight. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven that we got
Speaker 1: our first VCR and we just weren't getting it. We
Speaker 1: were like VCR what like? By that time, we took
Speaker 1: it for granted that we had a VCR, but we
Speaker 1: we just so happened to be sitting about five away
Speaker 1: from that very same PCR, and it turned on and off.
Speaker 1: The VCR turned on and off several times, and we
Speaker 1: were not near the remote. We all of us had
Speaker 1: our hands on the wig aboard, so we were really
Speaker 1: freaked out. Our best friend started crying. He was just
Speaker 1: happy for us, you know, that we had made contact
Speaker 1: somehow with something. And yeah, so I guess that's the
Speaker 1: first experience. It's pretty cool. Okay, the second experience is
Speaker 1: very different. All of these experiences are very different. This
Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety six, So I was living in Lacrosse, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and I was actually I was working in Lacrosse, and
Speaker 1: I was living in Gaielsville, which is about a thirty
Speaker 1: mile drive, so I was I was driving home one
Speaker 1: night at around six pm, and I had driven this
Speaker 1: road maybe a couple hundred times. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, how you get on your normal commute. And
Speaker 1: I looked over to the right as I was driving
Speaker 1: in a fairly rural area, and there was a Harrier
Speaker 1: jet hovering in somebody's front yard. And oddly enough, I
Speaker 1: looked at that and I thought that that was normal,
Speaker 1: and I just kept driving. I didn't pull over right away.
Speaker 1: I didn't there was nobody behind me. I could have
Speaker 1: just stopped and investigated or something, but I just kept driving.
Speaker 1: And I can still picture it like it happened yesterday.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm going to assume that that's
Speaker 1: a screen memory. But I don't think I had any
Speaker 1: missing time or anything like that. So that's a very
Speaker 1: short experience. Then in two thousand and one, I had
Speaker 1: a very brief out of body experience. I was sleeping
Speaker 1: and I felt something rubbing against my face, like something sharp.
Speaker 1: So I woke up and my face was right against
Speaker 1: the ceiling. I felt the ceiling as if my skin
Speaker 1: was touching the ceiling. I turned around and looked down
Speaker 1: and I saw myself sleeping in bed, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of shook my head, What's going on? And then
Speaker 1: I fell back asleep and I woke up like normal
Speaker 1: the next morning. It could have been a dream, but
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like a dream, and it's never happened
Speaker 1: since I never had a dream before or after that
Speaker 1: there was anything like that. It seemed very real to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: the next one, the brothers that I had mentioned before, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: passed away in an accident in nineteen ninety seven. So
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, I want to go see a medium.
Speaker 1: Normally I wouldn't have gone to see a medium. I
Speaker 1: didn't really believe in that kind of stuff. Not that
Speaker 1: there not that you shouldn't believe in that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't. And despite the fact that I
Speaker 1: had that experience with the Ouija board. But a woman
Speaker 1: that I worked with, who I really respected, had gone
Speaker 1: to a medium. And this medium lived pretty close to
Speaker 1: where I lived, and this woman that I worked with
Speaker 1: told me that it was worth a try, so I
Speaker 1: went and saw her. I was really kind of getting
Speaker 1: the feeling that she was trying to cold read me.
Speaker 1: I did bring along a little miniature voice recorder along
Speaker 1: just to kind of so I could investigate after the
Speaker 1: fact whether she was trying to cold read me or
Speaker 1: if I was giving her any clues in advertentley. But anyway,
Speaker 1: she told me a bunch of stuff about my brother,
Speaker 1: who you know about after he died, like he had
Speaker 1: seen us when we had gotten together there to honor him,
Speaker 1: and she gave me some fairly specific but not convincing information,
Speaker 1: And then she told me that he wanted to tell
Speaker 1: me something really important that he was sitting next to
Speaker 1: the boy quote unquote, and I was like, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. And he said, the
Speaker 1: boy you know Eric, and I'm I'm using a different
Speaker 1: name because he's he used my He said, my son's name.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say my son's name on the
Speaker 1: area here. But at the time I didn't know anybody
Speaker 1: named Eric, especially a boy like I had no idea
Speaker 1: who he could have been referencing. It made no sense
Speaker 1: to me at all. So I went home thinking that
Speaker 1: I wasted the money on that medium. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like I really gained anything from it. But in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty I found that voice recording. I had totally forgotten
Speaker 1: about the whole experience. Twenty twenty, I went back and
Speaker 1: found that voice recording, that little voice recorder, I should say,
Speaker 1: and I listened back to it, and I still thought
Speaker 1: she didn't get a lot right. But one thing she
Speaker 1: did get right was my son's name. What the entity
Speaker 1: she was talking to, the name Eric, quote unquote that
Speaker 1: he used. That's what we ended up naming our son.
Speaker 1: And the thing that's funny about that is that we didn't.
Speaker 1: We had another name picked out, and then one of
Speaker 1: my best friends and his wife were having a baby
Speaker 1: at the same time, and they took the name that
Speaker 1: we were going to take. And at the time, both
Speaker 1: of us were teachers and there were a lot of
Speaker 1: names we didn't want to use. So anyway, long story short,
Speaker 1: we ended up picking the name Eric, completely unrelated to
Speaker 1: anything that I remembered from the reading, because I hadn't
Speaker 1: really believed in the reading. I had just kind of
Speaker 1: forgotten about it. But I freaked out when I listened
Speaker 1: to that recording again because that was his name, So
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty cool. Okay. Then the next
Speaker 1: experience is in a in central Wisconsin. We had moved
Speaker 1: back there after my wife's finished school and since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: We had two little kids at the time, so we
Speaker 1: had very little time to hang out together, and one
Speaker 1: of our parents was over that night. They were watching
Speaker 1: the kids, so we decided to take a quick walk
Speaker 1: down a mailbox and just talk. It was like the
Speaker 1: end of the day. She had just gotten home from work,
Speaker 1: and so we walked down to the mailbox. And we
Speaker 1: lived in the country. There was there was no light
Speaker 1: pollution at all, as we're talking, my wife said, hey,
Speaker 1: do you see that? And I'm like, yeah, I do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look, there's two of them. And what
Speaker 1: it was was two amber points of light that were
Speaker 1: bouncing around in the sky, kind of like when you
Speaker 1: if you've ever played with a cat with a laser
Speaker 1: pointer on the wall. It didn't look like a physical
Speaker 1: object object could move like that. It looked like a
Speaker 1: laser pointer in the sky, but of course there'd be
Speaker 1: nothing for it for the light to bounce off of
Speaker 1: in the sky. I can still picture where it was.
Speaker 1: It was like southeast of the town we lived in,
Speaker 1: and probably five to ten miles away, but still clearly visible.
Speaker 1: It was low in the sky, but you know, above
Speaker 1: tree level, and it must have been high enough so
Speaker 1: we could have seen it. It gave the impression of
Speaker 1: being five to ten miles away. Couldn't quite tell for sure,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we watched it for about five minutes and
Speaker 1: then it just disappeared. So that was it. Okay. Twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: we had moved to Tucson, Arizona, and we lived in
Speaker 1: a really nice neighborhood. We got a bunch of I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else is familiar. Like if you
Speaker 1: move with to a different part of the country, you
Speaker 1: end up having different kinds of trees to take care
Speaker 1: of in your yard. And this yard that we moved
Speaker 1: to had a little lemon tree. It was actually more
Speaker 1: like a bush than a tree, and it was it
Speaker 1: had these giant thorns. It was really hard to trim
Speaker 1: to keep it thinned out, and it was hard to
Speaker 1: keep it keep its shape looking nice. So I was
Speaker 1: out there wrestling with this lemon tree and my wife
Speaker 1: and my kids were. I forgot where they went shopping
Speaker 1: or something like that, some out in the backyard, you know.
Speaker 1: Just it was like a Sunday morning around eleven thirty
Speaker 1: quartered in like right before lunch, and it was a
Speaker 1: perfect day. Like in Tucson, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: perfect days. And this was December sixteenth, twenty sixteen, so
Speaker 1: a lot of especially for December. It was a beautiful day,
Speaker 1: clear as a bell, nothing in the sky. Now we
Speaker 1: see a lot of air traffic where we lived, just
Speaker 1: outside of Oro Valley, So you have Davis Monton Air
Speaker 1: Force Base twenty miles to the south, and then Luke
Speaker 1: Air Force Base outside of Phoenix about one hundred twenty
Speaker 1: miles to the northeast. So I think our house must
Speaker 1: have been on a flight line between the two Air
Speaker 1: Force bases, because we saw you name it, we saw it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were just all kinds of cool planes
Speaker 1: flying over our house. It was really neat. We even
Speaker 1: saw the Goodyear Blimp a couple times because the University
Speaker 1: of Arizona football games, I assume. So anyway, it was
Speaker 1: one of those beautiful days, and I was used to
Speaker 1: seeing things in the sky. There's nothing to obscure the sky,
Speaker 1: no clouds at all, typical beautiful day December and Tucson,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I saw the light reflecting
Speaker 1: off of something and it looked spherical. It looked like
Speaker 1: it wasn't that high. I'm guessing a couple thousand feet.
Speaker 1: I'm not a great judge of that though, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know how big it was, so it was pretty
Speaker 1: hard to tell. But at first, you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of oversimplify things when you see them. I looked at
Speaker 1: it so at first, when I looked at it, like
Speaker 1: I said, I felt like it was like just a
Speaker 1: perfect circle, and it looked like it was just like
Speaker 1: a metal ball. When I looked closer, I could see
Speaker 1: that it kind of had these appendages, and it looked
Speaker 1: like maybe five balls coming out from the center ball.
Speaker 1: Then it seemed to be rotating. At first, I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: it's a balloon. But it looked like about the size
Speaker 1: of a car to me. Now, I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: like I said before, I could be wrong, but it
Speaker 1: looked like about the size of a car, and it
Speaker 1: looked to be rotating very solidly, and it looked to
Speaker 1: be staying relatively in the same position in the sky. Now,
Speaker 1: ultimately it did end up moving around a bit, but
Speaker 1: it never moved out of you for about half an hour,
Speaker 1: actually close to thirty five minutes. So I ran inside
Speaker 1: and got my I had a Nike on D sixty
Speaker 1: which had a telephoto lens on it because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, we had just moved to Tucson. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really cool at the there's like lots of
Speaker 1: lizards and stuff climbing along the wall of our backyard.
Speaker 1: So I always took pictures of lizards and hummingbirds and
Speaker 1: all the cool stuff that we didn't have in Wisconsin
Speaker 1: when we lived there. That was just a quail, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff that was going through our backyard, so I happened
Speaker 1: to have that camera handy, which was cool. I wish
Speaker 1: in the end I would have gotten a video with
Speaker 1: my phone, but the phone I had then was pretty bad,
Speaker 1: so the video would not have been high quality for sure.
Speaker 1: I opted to take pictures still pictures of it, and
Speaker 1: I took pictures probably for I don't know, close to
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty five minutes of the thirty five minute experience.
Speaker 1: And almost every single time I took a picture, this
Speaker 1: thing looked like and sometimes it looked a lot like
Speaker 1: a balloon. Other times it looked like little satellite. I've
Speaker 1: shared some pictures with Unich. It was always the same thing,
Speaker 1: though it was I was not taking pictures of different
Speaker 1: things in the sky. There was only one thing in
Speaker 1: the sky, and it was a strange thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was like, I said, we lived kind
Speaker 1: of in between two Air Force bases, so it could
Speaker 1: be some kind of military drone. I seriously doubt it
Speaker 1: was any kind of commercial drone. It was too big,
Speaker 1: It was absolutely silent, and it didn't have propellers or
Speaker 1: jets or anything like that. It was just up there
Speaker 1: and it was very solidly up there. Anyway, at the
Speaker 1: end of the experience, I started kind of losing interest
Speaker 1: a bit inexplicably, kind of like when I lost interest
Speaker 1: in that Harrier jet as I was driving past, Like
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense that I would lose interest. But
Speaker 1: I've listened to your podcast quite a bit. I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of other people the same kind of thing happens,
Speaker 1: where you just inexplicably lose focus or lose interest or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right as that happened, this thing seemed to change shape
Speaker 1: into a small white plane, and I was really confused.
Speaker 1: As it happened, I was really confused. And then it
Speaker 1: seemed to just kind of fly away as it flew.
Speaker 1: It flew to the north, almost directly to the north,
Speaker 1: and it turned, and as it turned, it started shooting
Speaker 1: out a contrail. And I took my camera down and
Speaker 1: I looked at it. And when I looked at it
Speaker 1: with my bare eyes, it looked like just a white jet.
Speaker 1: But there was there were no markings on the jets.
Speaker 1: It was just white and there was a contrail. Now
Speaker 1: I was going east west, and this is a very
Speaker 1: heavily trapped it's airway, commercial airway, so it didn't look
Speaker 1: out a place at all. But you know, I could
Speaker 1: swear that it turned from this weird looking satellite pod
Speaker 1: starfish like thing into a small plane like a SEFNA,
Speaker 1: and then into a larger jet. I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: When I first shared the story, I shared it with
Speaker 1: the with the Move On investigator, and I did not
Speaker 1: include that part because I didn't want to sound crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's six years later, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident that I'm not crazy now. For about
Speaker 1: a month after that, I would always go for walks
Speaker 1: on the Loop they call it. That's like a walking
Speaker 1: trail walking slash cycling trail that goes all the way
Speaker 1: around Tucson or a valley area, and I would walk
Speaker 1: between La Choya and La Kenyata area. I would always
Speaker 1: see these spheres really high up, like much higher than
Speaker 1: the main sighting was. I would see them really high
Speaker 1: up while I was walking right over Mount Lemon, and
Speaker 1: like so high up that I thought maybe it's a satellite,
Speaker 1: But then I thought it would be kind of weird
Speaker 1: to see a satellite in broad daylight. But I only
Speaker 1: saw them for about a month after that, and then
Speaker 1: then nothing so and then the last experience I had
Speaker 1: was was here where we live now. It's about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes east of we moved back to Wisconsin. This
Speaker 1: place is about forty five minutes east of the first
Speaker 1: Wisconsin house where my wife and I saw the amber
Speaker 1: colored orbs or whatever they were. I'd heard a lot
Speaker 1: about CE five, mainly on your podcast and another podcast
Speaker 1: or two, and you know, I hadn't ever really wanted
Speaker 1: to try it. But one night there was a it
Speaker 1: was late September. It was a beautiful night. My extended
Speaker 1: family was out of some land that they own, having
Speaker 1: a campfire, and I came home a little bit early
Speaker 1: just to have a little bit of time to myself.
Speaker 1: It's always kind of nice. And I decided, Okay, i've
Speaker 1: got this quiet time by myself, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: in the backyard and try CEE five. So I went
Speaker 1: and got a lawnchair.
Speaker 2: We have a big.
Speaker 1: Backyard and there's no light pollution. It's just the beautiful
Speaker 1: place to watch the stars. So I sat down in
Speaker 1: this lawn chair and I found this half an hour
Speaker 1: or forty five minutes see five meditation online on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I did the whole meditation, and I thought
Speaker 1: I opened my eyes when I told you to open
Speaker 1: your eyes, and quite honestly, I did not think anything
Speaker 1: was going to happen at all. Then I saw like
Speaker 1: a white light turn on, like somebody flicked on a
Speaker 1: light switch. It was quite high up. What it looked
Speaker 1: like to me was kind of like a firefly, but
Speaker 1: it was really high up in the atmosphere. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a firefly. It turned on though, like a firefly, and
Speaker 1: then another one turned on, and then they started like
Speaker 1: flying around together, not like the amber orbs we saw
Speaker 1: earlier that zipped around kind of like a laser pointer
Speaker 1: wood on a wall if you're playing with a cat.
Speaker 1: These were very slow and they were fun to watch.
Speaker 1: They were like they were playing almost and it looked
Speaker 1: like they were entertaining me. And they flew around for
Speaker 1: about five minutes and then they just left and they
Speaker 1: were just gone. So and I've tried it two or
Speaker 1: three times since and nothing. I'm going to keep trying though.
Speaker 1: That's about it.
Speaker 3: Nick, sounds like Charlie, you had a bit of success
Speaker 3: with that CE five. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. You know, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a mixed bag, you know, you hear. Some people
Speaker 1: they try it and it works every time, or you know,
Speaker 1: and some people they try it and it never happens
Speaker 1: for them. But for me, you know, the first time
Speaker 1: I tried it, I thought, let's give this a shot,
Speaker 1: and actually it was just because it was such a
Speaker 1: beautiful night and it was quiet around here, a little
Speaker 1: rare sometimes it was. It was fun, it was cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always say that, you know, if you don't try it,
Speaker 3: then you know, you'd never know. Some people do get
Speaker 3: frustrated when they go out there and they don't see anything,
Speaker 3: but it's just one of those things. You just got
Speaker 3: to be be patient. And I think a lot of
Speaker 3: it is to do with your insides mentally as well.
Speaker 3: You know, if you can, if you could relax and
Speaker 3: project it all out there, then I think people have
Speaker 3: more success and then just going out and hoping to
Speaker 3: see something.
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, And you know, I think the couple
Speaker 1: of times after that that I tried, I was kind
Speaker 1: of expecting to get something because because I did the
Speaker 1: first time and then I didn't get it. I think
Speaker 1: they're waiting for me to not expect it before they
Speaker 1: show me again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think sometimes they're not on top, so to speak.
Speaker 1: M agreed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a strange that's a strange one. You know,
Speaker 3: when you look up and see satellites flying over, you
Speaker 3: know they stay on the same trajectory, you know, they
Speaker 3: don't they don't differ from that, and they certainly don't
Speaker 3: dance around each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean you're right, Arizona is it's
Speaker 1: so easy to see things in the sky there because
Speaker 1: the atmosphere is so thin, it's so dry, and Tucson
Speaker 1: is not very high, it's only about twenty five hundred feet,
Speaker 1: but it is very dry there so and it's very
Speaker 1: clear most of the time, so you can see a
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff. Like like I said, we saw
Speaker 1: many different kinds of airplanes. It was really cool. We
Speaker 1: saw an osprey once. Have you ever seen one of those?
Speaker 3: I've never seen one though, kind of.
Speaker 1: Like a helicopter plane. They're the kind of plane to
Speaker 1: take off, not like a Harrier jet where it looks
Speaker 1: like a normal jet. And osprey has like two large
Speaker 1: blades with rotating engines on them, so they can take
Speaker 1: off straight up and then just take take off. First
Speaker 1: they take off vertically, then they can go horizontally just
Speaker 1: by shifting where the engines are facing. They're really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I only saw one of those, but like we saw
Speaker 1: F twenty two raptors, we saw F thirty five atens.
Speaker 1: Of course everything they flew right over our house, you know,
Speaker 1: like you would think they wouldn't fly over. I mean,
Speaker 1: we lived in a fairly populated part of Tucson, but
Speaker 1: the air force is just kind of normal.
Speaker 3: Down there, you know, so on that flypath you'd see
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff which Germany people wouldn't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah. So that's what made me think
Speaker 1: at the time, like maybe this thing, and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: the sighting I had in two soundness is maybe that's
Speaker 1: some kind of air force thing. But it was just
Speaker 1: so strange, like no noise at all, and that the
Speaker 1: move on investigator ultimately determined that it was also like
Speaker 1: an unknown, a true unknown, because she couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: what it was either. I got enough good pictures of
Speaker 1: it so that they could see that it was something
Speaker 1: really weird. I mean, it just changed, it kept changing shapes.
Speaker 1: I don't know of anything we have that could do that,
Speaker 1: but again, I don't really know that much about planes.
Speaker 3: So there's nothing I have ever seen like that. To
Speaker 3: our listeners, I'm going to add Charlie's photographs to the
Speaker 3: the link to the website, so he's got his photographs
Speaker 3: on it. I'd also include the move on report as well.
Speaker 3: Go take a look. It's a very unusual object. It
Speaker 3: could well be, you know, something experimental that the military doing,
Speaker 3: but you know, I've never heard of anything like this.
Speaker 3: Is very strange. And in fact, one of the pictures
Speaker 3: that you you've taken from below it looks like a tortoise,
Speaker 3: as if you're looking at a tortoise from down below. Yes,
Speaker 3: very strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were, you know, and one of them
Speaker 1: it looked just like a balloon, like one of those
Speaker 1: star balloons that are copper colored on the circles and
Speaker 1: the rest of them, like at the points, you know,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of it is silver. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it was not a balloon. I know when
Speaker 1: I first put it on, when it was first on Movefon,
Speaker 1: that's before the paywall was on MoveOn, And but it
Speaker 1: was so weird, you know, almost immediately people were writing
Speaker 1: kind of derogatory comments about it, and nice move Genius
Speaker 1: is obviously a star balloon. I bought one for my
Speaker 1: daughter for her birthday yesterday or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like, I'm not obviously, I'm not making any money
Speaker 1: from thisymous. I anonymously shared it, so nobody even knew
Speaker 1: who I was. I don't know. It was like I
Speaker 1: started getting harassed, you know, just in the comments and
Speaker 1: like whatever. You know, I was just trying to share
Speaker 1: this because I thought it was cool, you know, and
Speaker 1: then they took those comments down. Moufon must have taken
Speaker 1: those comments down, and then another batch of comments showed up.
Speaker 1: They took those down, and then right before the ability
Speaker 1: to access moufon reports was removed, so they went completely
Speaker 1: to a payball. A couple of people wrote, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you shared this because I see these too. One
Speaker 1: of them, I believe it in Maryland, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember where the other one was. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: really strange. And then you know, now I'm not going
Speaker 1: to pay to do research on moufon, but you know,
Speaker 1: now there's a paywall.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame to do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I received many photographs of months Jemany in
Speaker 3: the summertime, and usually on a Saturday and a Sunday,
Speaker 3: I'll get these these pitches and they would you know,
Speaker 3: they would be balloons, They would be those. There's mile
Speaker 3: of balloons, the silver ones. Usually after birthday pie someone
Speaker 3: has let them go, so I get a lot of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I haven't seen anything like this, and usual and
Speaker 3: indicating with balloons is even several group in of balloons
Speaker 3: that's been let off. It would move, you know, it
Speaker 3: would move across the sky. But yeah, you're saying this
Speaker 3: didn't move for any thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? It was there for It was
Speaker 1: there for thirty minutes, and I mean it did. It
Speaker 1: was kind of moving, I guess, but it was very
Speaker 1: slowly and very deliberately. It would seem to get a
Speaker 1: little bit closer. I got the impression, maybe this is
Speaker 1: just my imagination, but I got the impression that it
Speaker 1: noticed me noticing it, and it seemed to get a
Speaker 1: little closer to me. And you can see that on
Speaker 1: some of those some of those pictures I sent you
Speaker 1: are a little closer and some are a little further away.
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of other pictures too. I took
Speaker 1: at least twenty or thirty pictures while I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and it was rotating, real deliberate. It seemed heavy,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Like you know how
Speaker 1: a balloon looks light in the air and kind of
Speaker 1: kind of bouncy, kind of at the mercy of the wind.
Speaker 1: This thing looked like it was completely deliberate, moving of
Speaker 1: its own volition, not at the mercy of the wind
Speaker 1: at all, and silent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unusual. Yeah, it's an interest, is an interesting shape.
Speaker 3: So yeah, to our listeners, take a look and then
Speaker 3: and see if maybe you've seen this before or we
Speaker 3: can identify it. But yeah, I've never seen I've never
Speaker 3: seen anything like this before.
Speaker 1: Cool, Like, I know you've been exposed to a lot
Speaker 1: of these pictures, so it's it'd be kind of neat
Speaker 1: if if it were actually something mystifying, you know, like
Speaker 1: something a little mysterious.
Speaker 3: Definitely for now, it's unexplained unknown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean this one, like especially, there's that
Speaker 1: one picture I sent to you where it almost looks
Speaker 1: like a plastic model or something. It almost looks like
Speaker 1: a satellite or something like that, or you know, it
Speaker 1: has like it looks like it has red and yellow
Speaker 1: and blue protrusions almost lights on it. And the way
Speaker 1: I imagine it is those balls, those balls were like
Speaker 1: going in and out of this thing. It almost looked
Speaker 1: like it was controlling itself by like it was steering
Speaker 1: itself or something somehow. I don't know. It just looked
Speaker 1: very strange. It looked like obviously I don't know, but
Speaker 1: almost like some kind of anti gravity control or you know,
Speaker 1: something like that. But I guess, you know, if you
Speaker 1: guess like that, then it kind of detracts from how
Speaker 1: cool the experience actually was. I really don't know, so
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even guess. I just I know there was
Speaker 1: no propellers on it, and it was not jets that
Speaker 1: was keeping it in the air, So what was keeping it.
Speaker 3: In the air exactly? And you said when it eventually
Speaker 3: did move off, it kind of it morphed into something else.
Speaker 1: Yes, it turned into like a small plane like a
Speaker 1: Cessna or you know, like that type of plane, like
Speaker 1: a two seater. And the pictures that I have you
Speaker 1: can't see. I did not see any call like call
Speaker 1: numbers on the side of the plane at all. It
Speaker 1: looked just looks like it turned from you know, the
Speaker 1: picture you were talking about where it looked like a
Speaker 1: turtle almost it turned from that into something that looked
Speaker 1: like a plane from one picture to the next. And
Speaker 1: then it started flying off to the north, and that
Speaker 1: as it banked to the east. It headed east. Once
Speaker 1: it got north of Tucson, on our north of Oral Valley,
Speaker 1: it seemed like sprout a contrail. And when I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe what I was looking at, I took the camera
Speaker 1: down it. When I looked at it with my bare eyes,
Speaker 1: it looked like a like a jet, like a full
Speaker 1: sized jet passenger jet. So I took a picture of it.
Speaker 1: And for the life of me, I can't see any
Speaker 1: call numbers on it at all. I can't see any
Speaker 1: markings at all. You know, it could be because it
Speaker 1: was so far way, you know, I don't want, like
Speaker 1: I said before, I don't want to detract from the
Speaker 1: honesty of the story by guessing what it might have been.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I could have just gotten confused,
Speaker 1: and it could be that could have just been a
Speaker 1: jet that was flying west the east. But then what
Speaker 1: happened to the thing that I was looking at right.
Speaker 3: Most peculiar and where the pitch is it kind of
Speaker 3: looks like you remember that old fashioned game we used
Speaker 3: to play, jacks? Do you remember that we used to
Speaker 3: throw the ball up and then try and grab those pieces. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it kind of looks like there's pieces with the
Speaker 3: little balls and you know the ball in the middle.
Speaker 1: Yes. And then on another picture it looks it has
Speaker 1: much more detail than that. You can actually see detail
Speaker 1: on the body of it, like with the different colors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got that one in front of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so on one of them, it looks
Speaker 1: like it's just like a jack. Another one it looks
Speaker 1: like it's like a turtle, another one it looks more
Speaker 1: like a balloon. It's all the same thing, though, I
Speaker 1: have no idea.
Speaker 3: And the move On investigator, they didn't mention any other
Speaker 3: side ends in the area or when one else's report
Speaker 3: with anything similar.
Speaker 1: No. No, she was super helpful too, I mean like
Speaker 1: she was really nice to work with, and she didn't
Speaker 1: find any or any sightings that looked like this. But
Speaker 1: I did find that one link that I sent to
Speaker 1: you that looks like what I saw. That looks that's
Speaker 1: the only thing I've seen. I mean, obviously I was
Speaker 1: pretty obsessed with this right after it happened. What the
Speaker 1: heck was that thing? So I looked all over the
Speaker 1: internet for it, and I know that the move On
Speaker 1: investigator did too, and neither one of us can signed
Speaker 1: anything that looked like it. And then, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a year or two later, I actually, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I just happened upon this one sighting and it looked
Speaker 1: very much like what I saw. I mean, obviously the
Speaker 1: thing that I saw was changing shape so much. This
Speaker 1: kind of looked like an average of the things that
Speaker 1: I saw, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably the closest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I don't know it was for me.
Speaker 1: It was so cool to see it because number one,
Speaker 1: that does back up. Okay, I wasn't just imagining it,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't just taking pictures of some balloon up
Speaker 1: in the sky. I didn't think that I was. But
Speaker 1: it's always nice to get a little bit of encouragement
Speaker 1: when it comes to novel situation like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it's And i'd also add the link.
Speaker 3: This sighting in North Portugal and I was in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: so people can compare the pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would have happened the year following my
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Speaker 3: up to the strange? Okay, let's go back to the
Speaker 3: eighties and this Swigi board. Yeah, that's you know, it's
Speaker 3: really interesting. Mentioned the VCR and then sure enough the
Speaker 3: VCR comes on, turns off, and comes on again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And you know what's funny about that too,
Speaker 1: is that my brother and I had been begging my
Speaker 1: mom for our mom to get one, and at that
Speaker 1: time it just wasn't real common to have one in
Speaker 1: your house. And then I ended up getting sick with
Speaker 1: chicken pox, and that very same day, my mom didn't
Speaker 1: even know I was sick yet, but she brought a
Speaker 1: new VCR home, and she told me that she just
Speaker 1: got in an inspiration to buy it or something. So
Speaker 1: the whole time that I was home with chicken pox,
Speaker 1: I got to watch like movies. And at the time,
Speaker 1: now you can just put on Netflix or whatever. At
Speaker 1: the time, having a VCR was kind of a cool thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and being able to watch whatever you wanted
Speaker 1: to watch was not normal. So it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I missed I missed a VCRs. I mean,
Speaker 3: I grew up with them, and there was nothing like
Speaker 3: when you go, you know, you go out to the
Speaker 3: video store or come back with a couple of movies,
Speaker 3: put it in and find out you've got to rewind
Speaker 3: it all first before you can watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yep, you're pretty much stuck with whatever you
Speaker 1: picked up the video store, right. So it's not like
Speaker 1: you get five minutes into a movie on Netflix and
Speaker 1: just think, oh I hate this, I'm gonna watch something else.
Speaker 1: It's full commitment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're stuck of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People don't realize how easy life is these days when
Speaker 3: it comes to things like that.
Speaker 1: No they don't. Yeah, I thought that that was a
Speaker 1: cool experience. And I can guarantee in that case, nobody
Speaker 1: hit the remote control. It was we were in the
Speaker 1: like a finished basement part of our house, and we're
Speaker 1: in that room and there is nobody else in the
Speaker 1: room except my brother and our best friend in me,
Speaker 1: So nobody could have hit the remote. That thing turned
Speaker 1: on by itself. It turned on and off by itself
Speaker 1: a couple of times until I make sure that we noticed.
Speaker 3: You didn't ask the boy about the presence. You know,
Speaker 3: have have you brought us a present? Yeah, you have
Speaker 3: chicken pox. You know, you're stuck inside. You're stuck inside
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks at least, and then you'll Yeah,
Speaker 3: you said your mother had the inspiration to just get
Speaker 3: a VCR for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she We've been begging her for months to
Speaker 1: get it, and she didn't even know I was sick
Speaker 1: yet she brought it home on the day that I
Speaker 1: discovered that I had chicken pocks, she brought it home.
Speaker 1: So it was really good timing, very good timing.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, it's nice to get little messages from from
Speaker 3: beyond sometimes, you know, don't I don't. I wouldn't always
Speaker 3: suggest a Ouiji board. I know these days it's you know,
Speaker 3: you see them on TV and a lot of these
Speaker 3: ghost hunting shows they all use them, but really, you know,
Speaker 3: you don't really want to be messing with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily saying they're dangerous and they're going to
Speaker 3: vote the devil all that kind of stuff, but kind
Speaker 3: of next level thing and you kind of got to
Speaker 3: understand what you potentially could be dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we sincerely did not. But you know, we
Speaker 1: were like in our late teens at the time, so
Speaker 1: pretty much as stupid as guys get, that's like the
Speaker 1: prime years for male stupidity is in those like mid
Speaker 1: teen years. So I think we relate to that, yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe you know, maybe I'm just speaking for myself
Speaker 1: that I know in my case it was true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty much. You know, at that point,
Speaker 1: it was fairly common. You probably remember that too, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was fairly common to during that time period,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit after that time period, to kind
Speaker 1: of mess around at that because it was before the Internet,
Speaker 1: and you know, there were you had to get a
Speaker 1: little creative with ways to entertain yourself before the Internet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right. And in those days that you know,
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff was feared, you know, you had
Speaker 3: all the satanic panic going on and the whole rock
Speaker 3: music scene and all that. But yeah, no, I did.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think we picked hours up from a curiosity shop,
Speaker 3: like a like a military shop, which you could go
Speaker 3: there and buy just about just buy anything in those days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: different story now, but in those days you could get
Speaker 3: some very strange, very strange items.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Now that's had too. Will You had this sighting event
Speaker 3: the Harrier jump jet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, right, it's unusual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't generally see them hovering over over someone's
Speaker 3: was it someone's literally someone's backyard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the picture that I sent you. It
Speaker 1: was in that yard right next to their house, probably
Speaker 1: twenty five feet off the ground, but it was off
Speaker 1: the ground. And you know that those things are so
Speaker 1: loud that I would have heard it if it were
Speaker 1: making any noise and it was silent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are live. I've actually been in the coultpit
Speaker 3: of one and someone take off.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Harryer jump Jets. Yeah, they're one of my
Speaker 3: favorite planes.
Speaker 1: Actually, Oh my gosh. Cool. I would love to get
Speaker 1: a ride in one of those. For sure. I have
Speaker 1: no idea why I was there. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what happened. I didn't have any missing time that day.
Speaker 1: You would think that if you had some kind of
Speaker 1: memory like that that didn't seem appropriate to be there,
Speaker 1: that you would have some kind of missing time. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I got home at the normal time. But I did
Speaker 1: see something really strange. It was weird.
Speaker 3: It is very strange. So there's two possible explanations for it.
Speaker 3: Number one may have been something that you see as
Speaker 3: a harrier, but it wasn't a harrier, So, like you said,
Speaker 3: you know, it could be a screen memory. Number two, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is kind of possible but probably is not allowed.
Speaker 3: Is the pilot of the Harrier was literally just maybe
Speaker 3: showing off to his kids or his wife and stuff.
Speaker 3: But that would be be a no no military wise,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be allowed to do something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what was crazy is it was like
Speaker 1: right over the grass too. It was like I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to start the grass on fire. You know.
Speaker 1: That's what I was worried about at the time. And
Speaker 1: you know, but obviously I didn't worry too much because
Speaker 1: I didn't pull over. I just kept driving. Well, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with me? I just kept driving. That's what makes
Speaker 1: me think it was something else, because normally I would
Speaker 1: have been like, I mean, around here, if I see
Speaker 1: a cool looking deer, I stop the car and I
Speaker 1: look at the deer. You know, definitely seeing a Harrier
Speaker 1: jump jet in somebody's front yard is a lot cooler
Speaker 1: than seeing a deer. So I have no idea what's
Speaker 1: up with that. I hesitated to even share that because
Speaker 1: it sounds so crazy, But you know, I figured this
Speaker 1: might be my only opportunity to talk to you, So
Speaker 1: I just included all of the weird things that happened
Speaker 1: to me in my life all at one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's fine, and I appreciate that because people
Speaker 3: have some strange experiences and then they have some ultra
Speaker 3: strange experiences I call them. So some people are more
Speaker 3: comfortable sharing experiences which are probably a little bit more
Speaker 3: acceptable than others. So you know, sometimes people have these
Speaker 3: experiences which just seem so bizarre it just makes zero sense. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's still actually important to share those.
Speaker 1: Ones, right. Yeah. I will never know probably what that was,
Speaker 1: but I'm okay with that, and it's actually kind of
Speaker 1: cool to share it with you on the off chance
Speaker 1: that maybe somebody who listens to it has seen something
Speaker 1: like that. That'd be really cool to hear back. If
Speaker 1: anybody has seen something.
Speaker 3: Like that, Yeah, certainly get in touch if you have,
Speaker 3: because it's something which didn't belong in that location. It
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been.
Speaker 1: There, right right, I mean, and you've seen the picture,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's hardly anything around there, but there
Speaker 1: are houses and it is right next to a state highway.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe I hallucinated it. I would
Speaker 1: have had no reason to hallucinate it though. I was
Speaker 1: coming straight from work to home.
Speaker 3: And I've heard experiences where people have seen things at
Speaker 3: a place that doesn't belong there, Like where am I
Speaker 3: seeing that? So, you know, I can understand why. Perhaps
Speaker 3: it could be you know, it could be a screen memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The stuff always hits the like when you
Speaker 1: least expect it too. You know, we lived in Egypt
Speaker 1: for two years and as teachers, we taught at in
Speaker 1: American school there. I never saw one weird thing there.
Speaker 1: Everything was totally prosaic around here, middle of Wisconsin, you know,
Speaker 1: very normal around here. This is where I see all
Speaker 1: my strange stuff. I guess to sign too. Tucson is
Speaker 1: a little bit more. It's a little bit more normal
Speaker 1: to see crazy things there. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of sightings around Tuson, but not so much around here.
Speaker 3: You right, body experience, Yeah, you woke up and something
Speaker 3: was scraping on your face.
Speaker 1: The thing that woke me up was something scraping on
Speaker 1: my face. Yeah, I mean, like I wouldn't have woken up,
Speaker 1: I don't think. But it felt like the kind of
Speaker 1: rough texture sometimes the sun feeling this is kind of
Speaker 1: a rough texture to the drywall. And I felt on
Speaker 1: my face and I'm like, obviously I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was at first. Then I opened my eyes. You know,
Speaker 1: usually you open your eyes, you can see some semblance
Speaker 1: of light in the room, but it was still dark.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of freaked out a little bit.
Speaker 1: I started turning my head around and I looked around
Speaker 1: and there's me sleeping in my bed. Then I really
Speaker 1: freaked out and I shut my eyes and I saw
Speaker 1: asleep again. And I woke up the next morning as normal. Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't wake up outside of my body again. It
Speaker 1: was inside like normal, and that has never happened before
Speaker 1: or since as far as I can remember.
Speaker 3: It was just weird, and it felt very real.
Speaker 1: It felt just like waking up like normal. It was
Speaker 1: actually you know, sometimes you wake up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night if there's an unexpected noise and you're
Speaker 1: a little groggy, and you're like, WHOA, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on? It wasn't like that. It was more
Speaker 1: like being wide awake and then amping that up a
Speaker 1: few more degrees. But because you're so freaked out that
Speaker 1: you can see yourself sleeping, so I was hyper alert
Speaker 1: for a couple seconds, and I fall back asleep again.
Speaker 1: Maybe my body is just dude, you can't handle let's
Speaker 1: just go back to bed. You're not ready for this yet.
Speaker 1: I mean I did not. I didn't see any other
Speaker 1: part of my body when I was up there, but
Speaker 1: I can say that when I felt the ceiling on
Speaker 1: my face, it felt the ceiling was touching the skin
Speaker 1: on my face. You know. It didn't feel like some
Speaker 1: abstract kind of barrier. It felt like a very material
Speaker 1: barrier touching my skin. And I identified it as the ceiling.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of that is me
Speaker 1: kind of forming a construct to explain it to myself
Speaker 1: versus straight up reality. I'm not sure, but I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't think that it was fake. When I woke up.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a dream. I just thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: I don't want that to happen again. Now I think, wow,
Speaker 1: that'd be really cool if that happened again, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'd be somewhat prepared, and like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: like why didn't I wander around or something? That would
Speaker 1: have been cool? But I didn't even ocurred to me
Speaker 1: at the time. At the time, I was just I
Speaker 1: need to get back in my body right now. And
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: I never have that happen before, and I haven't had
Speaker 3: it happen since. I mean, I was trying. I was
Speaker 3: into that kind of stuff. I was practicing, and I
Speaker 3: was meditating. I was trying it all, but during that
Speaker 3: time I wasn't. And I know in the run up
Speaker 3: I'd had sleep paralysis, that these strange things that were
Speaker 3: going on, and it was all tied into that, And
Speaker 3: that was in my last time that happened was in
Speaker 3: my thirties, and I've got it for a while since,
Speaker 3: and I have not dicertainly I have an experience like that.
Speaker 1: As clear as that was, yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't asking for that kind of experience, but
Speaker 1: I think maybe the only thing that would have been
Speaker 1: different at the time was I was under quite a
Speaker 1: bit of stress at the time, so maybe that could
Speaker 1: have been That could have been it. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if that had any effect over me having that
Speaker 1: experience or not, but I don't know. It hasn't happened
Speaker 1: before since I've been under more stress than that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's the bit I should have said.
Speaker 3: I was also going for the stress that that period
Speaker 3: of time, like financial stress, so and that has crossed
Speaker 3: my mind before. Possibly could you could well be connected.
Speaker 3: Your body's going through things, whether you know, you can
Speaker 3: look at this loss of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I looked at myself and I thought, oh god,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm breathing. It was that kind of experience.
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought was I hope I'm breathing,
Speaker 1: because I could see myself, you know, and obviously I was.
Speaker 1: But at first, you know, I kind of freaked out,
Speaker 1: and then I escalated quickly from there.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's finally your son's name. No, obviously Eric
Speaker 3: is not you know, obviously not your son's real name. Right.
Speaker 3: It's strange that this medium you know, saw your brother
Speaker 3: that had passed with this boy called Eric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she quoted my brother as saying that I'm with
Speaker 1: the boy, and you know, I'm like boy. And then
Speaker 1: she clarified you know, the boy Eric, and then I
Speaker 1: was now still nothing, and I was super disappointed. Obviously,
Speaker 1: anyone who's lost somebody who means so much to you,
Speaker 1: if you get so close to you think you're making
Speaker 1: contact with that, with that person or with whatever they
Speaker 1: are now, you know, and then it turns out to
Speaker 1: be as it seemed at the time, not real. But
Speaker 1: then I you know, as I, as I wrote to you,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem real until I listened back to it
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and you know, like fifteen years later.
Speaker 1: And that happens years before I even knew my wife,
Speaker 1: before we had our son. And as I said, you know,
Speaker 1: like we had a name picked out for our son,
Speaker 1: and then my best friend and his wife had a
Speaker 1: son earlier that year, months before our son was born,
Speaker 1: and they took the name that we were going to take.
Speaker 1: And we were good enough friends so that we didn't
Speaker 1: want our kids to have the same name, you know,
Speaker 1: because we're going to be around each other all the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, then we went back to the drawing board,
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, we were both teachers, and you know,
Speaker 1: you get different associations with different names and stuff, and
Speaker 1: different names remind you of different people, so you know,
Speaker 1: like I kept thinking, no, no, not that name, not
Speaker 1: that name. And then one of my friends actually from
Speaker 1: high school, had a son named quote unquote Eric, and
Speaker 1: she said, you know, that's a great name, don't you think.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't really talked to this friend in a while,
Speaker 1: but she found out that my wife and I were
Speaker 1: going to have a baby, and she was really excited
Speaker 1: for us, and you know, everybody weighs in that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I said, yeah, you know, Eric is a
Speaker 1: great name. My wife liked it too, and you know
Speaker 1: she likes it, and I like it, let's use that name.
Speaker 1: So obviously it didn't. It didn't mean anything to me
Speaker 1: until about ten years later, when I listened to that
Speaker 1: audio recording, it all made sense.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how you particularly feel about it.
Speaker 3: You know, I've heard people talking about what, you know,
Speaker 3: the belief where you know, when when someone passed is
Speaker 3: on when and if they do reincarnate, then they tend
Speaker 3: to come back as use you as a like a
Speaker 3: family member, like where you're kind of reincarnate inside the
Speaker 3: same same kind of circle, whether it's friends, family.
Speaker 1: Right right, like a soul group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. And you know I'm kind of inclined
Speaker 3: to believe that as well. Yeah, So it could maybe
Speaker 3: be something like that, or your brother that past kind
Speaker 3: of just gave you that name. Yeah, maybe maybe it
Speaker 3: was his favorite name from him.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, right, Yeah, I mean, I actually
Speaker 1: what I believe is I do believe that people pick
Speaker 1: their parents, and I do believe like a lot of
Speaker 1: the things we experience in our life are kind of
Speaker 1: mapped out for us. It's kind of slowly evolved towards
Speaker 1: believing that during my lifetime, so I can see my
Speaker 1: brother perhaps knowing who this person was. Maybe this person
Speaker 1: was part of our sole group, or of course, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously this is all a speculation, but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they chose to be born with us. I would love
Speaker 1: to believe that. That'd be great. We're really happy that
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 3: I've always kind of said that before we come into
Speaker 3: this life that no matter how hard or easy someone's
Speaker 3: life is, that they've they've chosen that life. Like a
Speaker 3: big library. You know, you're not going to learn unless
Speaker 3: you read the hard books. You know you're gonna want.
Speaker 3: You're gonna read the easy books, no problem. But so
Speaker 3: I've always I've always felt that, you know, no matter
Speaker 3: how tough someone's life is, you've already chosen that life,
Speaker 3: and you have to live that life to be able
Speaker 3: to move on, you know, and move on and progress.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, for sure makes me smile here thinking
Speaker 1: about my son. It makes me makes me smile there.
Speaker 3: So it is very possible, and it is very nice
Speaker 3: and reassuring to know that before your son came into
Speaker 3: this world, you know, he was probably surrounded by love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly why I was smiling right now.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Charlie. Fascinating.
Speaker 1: Thanks Nick, Thank you Charlie.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate. I appreciate everything you do. Next, thank you, no.
Speaker 3: Problem, it's growing great talking to you. Keeping contact us
Speaker 3: rather as right and I'll speak well for sure, no problem,
Speaker 3: take care Charlie.
Speaker 1: All right, bye next bye for now.
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Speaker 3: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
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