WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.000 a UFOG it in We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one? Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.640 UFO over hey, we want to one of. 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.439 Those areas thirty one. 6 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 7 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 9 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 Time areas thirty one? Me neither there. See if it 10 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.600 was anybody a h above us to pass us, like 11 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:35.520 thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay. 12 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.039 Off the UFO. 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:42.759 Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over. God. 14 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 15 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.079 least to three thousand feet above us. 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.479 See, I passed right over the top of US. 17 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:55.039 Ninety one one. You just called both to be before 18 00:00:55.119 --> 00:01:04.640 they're after staying the airplanes, he swear to God on 19 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.599 an unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on 20 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:10.239 an unidentified flying object. 21 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 22 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 23 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.480 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 24 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 25 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.400 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the 26 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:55.040 world you are listening from. I hope you're all doing well. 27 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.439 I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. 28 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.959 We meet Charlie this episode, calling from Wisconsin in the 29 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.439 United States, and Charlie will be sharing his experiences with 30 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.879 UFOs and the paranormal Charlie up next. If you enjoy 31 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.400 listening to the podcast and would like to help support 32 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.479 my work, there is a couple of ways to do this. 33 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.039 Either you can join Patreon and become a patron of 34 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.960 the show for us Lutler's five dollars a month, or 35 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.840 you can donate via PayPal, and if you like, you 36 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.800 can set up monthly reoccurring payments. All links to support 37 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.439 the podcast are below, in a show note and on 38 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.439 the website. Any help is extremely appreciated and it helps 39 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.520 the show to continue running. Now on with the show, 40 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.759 Hello Charlie, Welcome to the podcast. 41 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.479 Hi know, thanks great to. 42 00:02:58.479 --> 00:02:59.560 Have you with us today. 43 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:05.280 All in from Wisconsin, Yes, central Wisconsin, and I think you. 44 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.400 May be our first guest caller from Wisconsin. I don't 45 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.319 recall another one from that part of the states. Oh cool, 46 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.960 So forgive me out there. If you have been a 47 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:16.680 guest and you're from. 48 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:22.639 Wisconsin, probably my next door neighbor or something, right, maybe 49 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.639 maybe the thing is I've I've had multiple guests from 50 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.360 just about every single state, So yeah, I don't think 51 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:28.599 I have. 52 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.879 Now, Charlie, you have some experiences to share with our listeners. 53 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.199 Would you be kind enough to start at the beginning please, sir? 54 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:39.639 Sure? Yeah. The first couple of experiences are in Wisconsin, 55 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.319 and then we hop over to Tucson, Arizona, where we 56 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.199 lived for four years, and then back to here. So 57 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.639 the first experience was in nineteen eighty nine. My brother, 58 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:56.280 my younger brother, and our best friend were goofing around 59 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:01.120 on a Wiji board and which was you know, not 60 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:06.800 common but not uncommon at that time. And my brother 61 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.520 and I had lost our dad when I was eleven, 62 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.240 he was eight, so that comes into the story a 63 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.199 little bit. So we were messing around a little bit 64 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.399 on the wage aboard. We were just asking questions and typically, 65 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.480 you know, like you kind of assume that other people 66 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.879 are moving the planchet around, and that's kind of what 67 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.879 I did. My brother was kind of a funny guy 68 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.560 and I figured he might be moving it around. So 69 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:41.439 eventually we made contact with an ent dear spirit or 70 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.560 whatever that claims to be our dad, which really freaked 71 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.079 me out, and I actually didn't think it was very funny. 72 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.600 I thought my brother was messing with me. And we 73 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:57.319 started asking him questions, and we asked a question about 74 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:02.160 have you ever tried giving us an presence since since 75 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:07.120 you were gone? And he said yes, and then we said, well, 76 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:12.079 what did you What did you give us? Nothing happened, 77 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.319 so we thought, oh, you know, like I thought, I 78 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.920 thought my brother couldn't think of anything to spell out. 79 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.439 But then all of a sudden, it went really quickly 80 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:27.360 to VCR. And I'm like, VCR what I thought he 81 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.439 was trying to spell spell something out else out to 82 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.959 the younger people out there. This was in the late eighties, 83 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.480 so VCRs weren't real common. This would have been like 84 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.800 around nineteen eighty six that we are eight. Yeah, but 85 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.079 nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven that we got 86 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:51.680 our first VCR and we just weren't getting it. We 87 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.560 were like VCR what like? By that time, we took 88 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.120 it for granted that we had a VCR, but we 89 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.360 we just so happened to be sitting about five away 90 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.680 from that very same PCR, and it turned on and off. 91 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.399 The VCR turned on and off several times, and we 92 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:11.680 were not near the remote. We all of us had 93 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:19.279 our hands on the wig aboard, so we were really 94 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.160 freaked out. Our best friend started crying. He was just 95 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:26.120 happy for us, you know, that we had made contact 96 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.360 somehow with something. And yeah, so I guess that's the 97 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:36.240 first experience. It's pretty cool. Okay, the second experience is 98 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.759 very different. All of these experiences are very different. This 99 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.120 was nineteen ninety six, So I was living in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, 100 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.120 and I was actually I was working in Lacrosse, and 101 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.560 I was living in Gaielsville, which is about a thirty 102 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.519 mile drive, so I was I was driving home one 103 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.959 night at around six pm, and I had driven this 104 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.879 road maybe a couple hundred times. It was just you know, 105 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.639 you know, how you get on your normal commute. And 106 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.519 I looked over to the right as I was driving 107 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:14.759 in a fairly rural area, and there was a Harrier 108 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:20.439 jet hovering in somebody's front yard. And oddly enough, I 109 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.519 looked at that and I thought that that was normal, 110 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.160 and I just kept driving. I didn't pull over right away. 111 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.240 I didn't there was nobody behind me. I could have 112 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.920 just stopped and investigated or something, but I just kept driving. 113 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.160 And I can still picture it like it happened yesterday. 114 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.040 But I don't know. I'm going to assume that that's 115 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.279 a screen memory. But I don't think I had any 116 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:48.879 missing time or anything like that. So that's a very 117 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.279 short experience. Then in two thousand and one, I had 118 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:59.399 a very brief out of body experience. I was sleeping 119 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.120 and I felt something rubbing against my face, like something sharp. 120 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.519 So I woke up and my face was right against 121 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.759 the ceiling. I felt the ceiling as if my skin 122 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.600 was touching the ceiling. I turned around and looked down 123 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.120 and I saw myself sleeping in bed, and I just 124 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.120 kind of shook my head, What's going on? And then 125 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.160 I fell back asleep and I woke up like normal 126 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.639 the next morning. It could have been a dream, but 127 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.120 it didn't seem like a dream, and it's never happened 128 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.240 since I never had a dream before or after that 129 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:42.279 there was anything like that. It seemed very real to me. Okay, 130 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:47.679 the next one, the brothers that I had mentioned before, Unfortunately, 131 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:51.919 passed away in an accident in nineteen ninety seven. So 132 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.559 two thousand and five, I want to go see a medium. 133 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.159 Normally I wouldn't have gone to see a medium. I 134 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.360 didn't really believe in that kind of stuff. Not that 135 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.399 there not that you shouldn't believe in that kind of stuff, 136 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.919 but I just didn't. And despite the fact that I 137 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.399 had that experience with the Ouija board. But a woman 138 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.159 that I worked with, who I really respected, had gone 139 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:18.440 to a medium. And this medium lived pretty close to 140 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.080 where I lived, and this woman that I worked with 141 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.879 told me that it was worth a try, so I 142 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:29.919 went and saw her. I was really kind of getting 143 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.720 the feeling that she was trying to cold read me. 144 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:37.000 I did bring along a little miniature voice recorder along 145 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.840 just to kind of so I could investigate after the 146 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:42.960 fact whether she was trying to cold read me or 147 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.720 if I was giving her any clues in advertentley. But anyway, 148 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:51.799 she told me a bunch of stuff about my brother, 149 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:57.440 who you know about after he died, like he had 150 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:02.080 seen us when we had gotten together there to honor him, 151 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:07.200 and she gave me some fairly specific but not convincing information, 152 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.080 And then she told me that he wanted to tell 153 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.799 me something really important that he was sitting next to 154 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:21.240 the boy quote unquote, and I was like, I have 155 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:26.960 no idea what you're talking about. And he said, the 156 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:34.759 boy you know Eric, and I'm I'm using a different 157 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:38.000 name because he's he used my He said, my son's name. 158 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:40.440 I don't want to say my son's name on the 159 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:44.679 area here. But at the time I didn't know anybody 160 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:50.440 named Eric, especially a boy like I had no idea 161 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.679 who he could have been referencing. It made no sense 162 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.720 to me at all. So I went home thinking that 163 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.720 I wasted the money on that medium. I didn't feel 164 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:08.159 like I really gained anything from it. But in twenty 165 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:13.720 twenty I found that voice recording. I had totally forgotten 166 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.440 about the whole experience. Twenty twenty, I went back and 167 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:21.000 found that voice recording, that little voice recorder, I should say, 168 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.840 and I listened back to it, and I still thought 169 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.879 she didn't get a lot right. But one thing she 170 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:36.000 did get right was my son's name. What the entity 171 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.480 she was talking to, the name Eric, quote unquote that 172 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.080 he used. That's what we ended up naming our son. 173 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.440 And the thing that's funny about that is that we didn't. 174 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.799 We had another name picked out, and then one of 175 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.720 my best friends and his wife were having a baby 176 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.360 at the same time, and they took the name that 177 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.279 we were going to take. And at the time, both 178 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.039 of us were teachers and there were a lot of 179 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:13.120 names we didn't want to use. So anyway, long story short, 180 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.759 we ended up picking the name Eric, completely unrelated to 181 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:23.879 anything that I remembered from the reading, because I hadn't 182 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:25.679 really believed in the reading. I had just kind of 183 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.840 forgotten about it. But I freaked out when I listened 184 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.519 to that recording again because that was his name, So 185 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.519 I thought that was pretty cool. Okay. Then the next 186 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:40.000 experience is in a in central Wisconsin. We had moved 187 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:46.480 back there after my wife's finished school and since twenty fourteen. 188 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:48.840 We had two little kids at the time, so we 189 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.759 had very little time to hang out together, and one 190 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.919 of our parents was over that night. They were watching 191 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.639 the kids, so we decided to take a quick walk 192 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.080 down a mailbox and just talk. It was like the 193 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:05.960 end of the day. She had just gotten home from work, 194 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.080 and so we walked down to the mailbox. And we 195 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.759 lived in the country. There was there was no light 196 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:19.279 pollution at all, as we're talking, my wife said, hey, 197 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:24.759 do you see that? And I'm like, yeah, I do it. 198 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.960 I'm like, oh, look, there's two of them. And what 199 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.759 it was was two amber points of light that were 200 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.159 bouncing around in the sky, kind of like when you 201 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.559 if you've ever played with a cat with a laser 202 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:42.480 pointer on the wall. It didn't look like a physical 203 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.960 object object could move like that. It looked like a 204 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.039 laser pointer in the sky, but of course there'd be 205 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.639 nothing for it for the light to bounce off of 206 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.039 in the sky. I can still picture where it was. 207 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.960 It was like southeast of the town we lived in, 208 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:06.480 and probably five to ten miles away, but still clearly visible. 209 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:10.600 It was low in the sky, but you know, above 210 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:14.399 tree level, and it must have been high enough so 211 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.399 we could have seen it. It gave the impression of 212 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.159 being five to ten miles away. Couldn't quite tell for sure, 213 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:22.960 but yeah, we watched it for about five minutes and 214 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.840 then it just disappeared. So that was it. Okay. Twenty sixteen, 215 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.919 we had moved to Tucson, Arizona, and we lived in 216 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.039 a really nice neighborhood. We got a bunch of I 217 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.039 don't know if anybody else is familiar. Like if you 218 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.639 move with to a different part of the country, you 219 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.000 end up having different kinds of trees to take care 220 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.639 of in your yard. And this yard that we moved 221 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.159 to had a little lemon tree. It was actually more 222 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:55.919 like a bush than a tree, and it was it 223 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:59.000 had these giant thorns. It was really hard to trim 224 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.720 to keep it thinned out, and it was hard to 225 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:06.440 keep it keep its shape looking nice. So I was 226 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:12.919 out there wrestling with this lemon tree and my wife 227 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.279 and my kids were. I forgot where they went shopping 228 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:19.240 or something like that, some out in the backyard, you know. 229 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.240 Just it was like a Sunday morning around eleven thirty 230 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.200 quartered in like right before lunch, and it was a 231 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.559 perfect day. Like in Tucson, there are a lot of 232 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.639 perfect days. And this was December sixteenth, twenty sixteen, so 233 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.080 a lot of especially for December. It was a beautiful day, 234 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:42.960 clear as a bell, nothing in the sky. Now we 235 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:47.120 see a lot of air traffic where we lived, just 236 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.440 outside of Oro Valley, So you have Davis Monton Air 237 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:55.600 Force Base twenty miles to the south, and then Luke 238 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:00.279 Air Force Base outside of Phoenix about one hundred twenty 239 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:05.639 miles to the northeast. So I think our house must 240 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.480 have been on a flight line between the two Air 241 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.399 Force bases, because we saw you name it, we saw it. 242 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.200 I mean, there were just all kinds of cool planes 243 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.120 flying over our house. It was really neat. We even 244 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.919 saw the Goodyear Blimp a couple times because the University 245 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.960 of Arizona football games, I assume. So anyway, it was 246 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.759 one of those beautiful days, and I was used to 247 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.919 seeing things in the sky. There's nothing to obscure the sky, 248 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:35.519 no clouds at all, typical beautiful day December and Tucson, 249 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.240 and all of a sudden, I saw the light reflecting 250 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:43.799 off of something and it looked spherical. It looked like 251 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.919 it wasn't that high. I'm guessing a couple thousand feet. 252 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.720 I'm not a great judge of that though, and I 253 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.639 didn't know how big it was, so it was pretty 254 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.919 hard to tell. But at first, you know, you kind 255 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.840 of oversimplify things when you see them. I looked at 256 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.440 it so at first, when I looked at it, like 257 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.240 I said, I felt like it was like just a 258 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.160 perfect circle, and it looked like it was just like 259 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.119 a metal ball. When I looked closer, I could see 260 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.759 that it kind of had these appendages, and it looked 261 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.480 like maybe five balls coming out from the center ball. 262 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:27.599 Then it seemed to be rotating. At first, I thought, okay, 263 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.440 it's a balloon. But it looked like about the size 264 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:33.920 of a car to me. Now, I could be wrong, 265 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.599 like I said before, I could be wrong, but it 266 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:39.759 looked like about the size of a car, and it 267 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.400 looked to be rotating very solidly, and it looked to 268 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.400 be staying relatively in the same position in the sky. Now, 269 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.960 ultimately it did end up moving around a bit, but 270 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.839 it never moved out of you for about half an hour, 271 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:58.839 actually close to thirty five minutes. So I ran inside 272 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:02.400 and got my I had a Nike on D sixty 273 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.240 which had a telephoto lens on it because I was, 274 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.440 you know, we had just moved to Tucson. I thought 275 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.200 it was really cool at the there's like lots of 276 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.200 lizards and stuff climbing along the wall of our backyard. 277 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.000 So I always took pictures of lizards and hummingbirds and 278 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.640 all the cool stuff that we didn't have in Wisconsin 279 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.640 when we lived there. That was just a quail, you know, 280 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.400 stuff that was going through our backyard, so I happened 281 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.599 to have that camera handy, which was cool. I wish 282 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.920 in the end I would have gotten a video with 283 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.279 my phone, but the phone I had then was pretty bad, 284 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.720 so the video would not have been high quality for sure. 285 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.240 I opted to take pictures still pictures of it, and 286 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.680 I took pictures probably for I don't know, close to 287 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.480 twenty or twenty five minutes of the thirty five minute experience. 288 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:59.319 And almost every single time I took a picture, this 289 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.839 thing looked like and sometimes it looked a lot like 290 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.559 a balloon. Other times it looked like little satellite. I've 291 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.119 shared some pictures with Unich. It was always the same thing, 292 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.720 though it was I was not taking pictures of different 293 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.759 things in the sky. There was only one thing in 294 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.720 the sky, and it was a strange thing. I don't 295 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.359 know what it was like, I said, we lived kind 296 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.559 of in between two Air Force bases, so it could 297 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.880 be some kind of military drone. I seriously doubt it 298 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.720 was any kind of commercial drone. It was too big, 299 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.720 It was absolutely silent, and it didn't have propellers or 300 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.480 jets or anything like that. It was just up there 301 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:47.720 and it was very solidly up there. Anyway, at the 302 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:51.240 end of the experience, I started kind of losing interest 303 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.200 a bit inexplicably, kind of like when I lost interest 304 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.799 in that Harrier jet as I was driving past, Like 305 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.559 it didn't make sense that I would lose interest. But 306 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:03.759 I've listened to your podcast quite a bit. I've heard 307 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.799 a lot of other people the same kind of thing happens, 308 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:12.480 where you just inexplicably lose focus or lose interest or whatever. 309 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:17.880 Right as that happened, this thing seemed to change shape 310 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.200 into a small white plane, and I was really confused. 311 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:25.519 As it happened, I was really confused. And then it 312 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.519 seemed to just kind of fly away as it flew. 313 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.759 It flew to the north, almost directly to the north, 314 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:38.319 and it turned, and as it turned, it started shooting 315 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.519 out a contrail. And I took my camera down and 316 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.559 I looked at it. And when I looked at it 317 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.599 with my bare eyes, it looked like just a white jet. 318 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.400 But there was there were no markings on the jets. 319 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.039 It was just white and there was a contrail. Now 320 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.599 I was going east west, and this is a very 321 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:04.759 heavily trapped it's airway, commercial airway, so it didn't look 322 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.720 out a place at all. But you know, I could 323 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:13.039 swear that it turned from this weird looking satellite pod 324 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:17.599 starfish like thing into a small plane like a SEFNA, 325 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.640 and then into a larger jet. I know that sounds crazy. 326 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.079 When I first shared the story, I shared it with 327 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.359 the with the Move On investigator, and I did not 328 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.400 include that part because I didn't want to sound crazy. 329 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:36.359 But you know, it's six years later, I don't really care. 330 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.720 I'm pretty confident that I'm not crazy now. For about 331 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:42.839 a month after that, I would always go for walks 332 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.119 on the Loop they call it. That's like a walking 333 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.440 trail walking slash cycling trail that goes all the way 334 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:55.079 around Tucson or a valley area, and I would walk 335 00:21:55.119 --> 00:22:01.720 between La Choya and La Kenyata area. I would always 336 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:05.960 see these spheres really high up, like much higher than 337 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.400 the main sighting was. I would see them really high 338 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:13.799 up while I was walking right over Mount Lemon, and 339 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.319 like so high up that I thought maybe it's a satellite, 340 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.440 But then I thought it would be kind of weird 341 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.319 to see a satellite in broad daylight. But I only 342 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:24.240 saw them for about a month after that, and then 343 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:29.200 then nothing so and then the last experience I had 344 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.880 was was here where we live now. It's about forty 345 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.240 five minutes east of we moved back to Wisconsin. This 346 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:39.680 place is about forty five minutes east of the first 347 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:43.720 Wisconsin house where my wife and I saw the amber 348 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.319 colored orbs or whatever they were. I'd heard a lot 349 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:52.960 about CE five, mainly on your podcast and another podcast 350 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:57.279 or two, and you know, I hadn't ever really wanted 351 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.240 to try it. But one night there was a it 352 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.440 was late September. It was a beautiful night. My extended 353 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.319 family was out of some land that they own, having 354 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:10.359 a campfire, and I came home a little bit early 355 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.119 just to have a little bit of time to myself. 356 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.920 It's always kind of nice. And I decided, Okay, i've 357 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.200 got this quiet time by myself, I'm going to go 358 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:25.440 in the backyard and try CEE five. So I went 359 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:26.279 and got a lawnchair. 360 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:27.400 We have a big. 361 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.559 Backyard and there's no light pollution. It's just the beautiful 362 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.160 place to watch the stars. So I sat down in 363 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.200 this lawn chair and I found this half an hour 364 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.039 or forty five minutes see five meditation online on YouTube, 365 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.319 and yeah, I did the whole meditation, and I thought 366 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.240 I opened my eyes when I told you to open 367 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:51.039 your eyes, and quite honestly, I did not think anything 368 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.359 was going to happen at all. Then I saw like 369 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:59.119 a white light turn on, like somebody flicked on a 370 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.480 light switch. It was quite high up. What it looked 371 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.799 like to me was kind of like a firefly, but 372 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.880 it was really high up in the atmosphere. It wasn't 373 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.559 a firefly. It turned on though, like a firefly, and 374 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.839 then another one turned on, and then they started like 375 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.319 flying around together, not like the amber orbs we saw 376 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.000 earlier that zipped around kind of like a laser pointer 377 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.240 wood on a wall if you're playing with a cat. 378 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.960 These were very slow and they were fun to watch. 379 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.200 They were like they were playing almost and it looked 380 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.680 like they were entertaining me. And they flew around for 381 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.319 about five minutes and then they just left and they 382 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.000 were just gone. So and I've tried it two or 383 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.279 three times since and nothing. I'm going to keep trying though. 384 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:54.559 That's about it. 385 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.279 Nick, sounds like Charlie, you had a bit of success 386 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.680 with that CE five. Yeah. 387 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.039 I couldn't believe it. You know, you know, it's kind 388 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:06.640 of a mixed bag, you know, you hear. Some people 389 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.680 they try it and it works every time, or you know, 390 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.839 and some people they try it and it never happens 391 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.400 for them. But for me, you know, the first time 392 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.000 I tried it, I thought, let's give this a shot, 393 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.400 and actually it was just because it was such a 394 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:24.400 beautiful night and it was quiet around here, a little 395 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.920 rare sometimes it was. It was fun, it was cool. Yeah. 396 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.839 I always say that, you know, if you don't try it, 397 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.480 then you know, you'd never know. Some people do get 398 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.200 frustrated when they go out there and they don't see anything, 399 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:37.720 but it's just one of those things. You just got 400 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.839 to be be patient. And I think a lot of 401 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.119