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Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of Get Off My Pylon

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college football podcast, part of the College grad Aroon Coast

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to Coast podcast network. This is your host, Matt Zemmon.

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of college football podcasts. You want to check all of

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them out. College Grade Aron Coast to Coast so we

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focus on western college football in the United States, and

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naturally after the weekend that was two games at the

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forefront of the national conversation in the West. USC and

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Penn State go to overtime. We'll have something on that

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in a bit, but the main event and it lived

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up to the billing. You could say it exceeded the billing.

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Ohio State in Oregon Attson Stadium in Eugene. It felt

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like a heavyweight fight, It felt like a game. It

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looked like a game between two of the top three

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teams in the country. Felt like a game that's going

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to have a rematch at the Big Ten championship game

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in Indianapolis, Oregon thirty two, Ohio State thirty one. Plenty

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of layers to peel away from this game. One of

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the points of discussion about the end of that game

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was Dan lanning Nut seeming to indicate not directly saying it,

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but seeming to indicate that, yes, he intentionally had twelve

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men on the field as a penalty. I'm going to

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devote a separate get off my pylon just to that

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one play. But I'll give you the cliff notes version here.

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It does reflect an evolved thought process, all right, Like

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you know, at the very end of the game, go

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ahead and have twelve men on the field. Much as

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you know if you're trying to defend a two point

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play or if you're trying to defend like a a

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fourth and goal that you know, there are certain situations

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in which, okay, you know, commit pass interference, right, you know,

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like if you're if you're beaten on a play at

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the very at the very end of a game, committing

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pass interference can save you the game and you get

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another shot on defense. You know, those kinds of endgame

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conversations don't come up very often, and so, you know,

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Dan Lanning, I give them credit for thinking about this. However, however,

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the play was at the Ohio State or the Oregon

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forty three yard line, that five yard penalty. You know,

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the real discussion here is apparently Ohio State doesn't have

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a kicker that right and Day trusts from fifty five

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yards out. And you know, in the NFL these days,

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we're seeing kickers boom through, you know, fifty five fifty

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seven yard field goals like they're nothing. And Dallas's kicker, Aubrey,

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you know, he's making sixty yarders like they're nothing. The

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thing that's not being talked about enough is Ohio State

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apparently doesn't have a kicker that can reach the goalpost

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from fifty five yards out. So, you know, all the nil,

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all the resources that Ohio State was devoted to recruiting

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didn't include a kicker for big moments such as that.

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That that's something that we need to note. And the

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other point is be precisely because the ball was in

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Oregon territory, not that far away from field goal range,

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Let's not give Dan Lanning too much credit. Okay, he

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was thinking ahead, and I've given him credit for that

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just now. But like that, if Ohio State did have

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a kicker like that penalty could have proved decisive. And

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the other part of this, obviously, is that if Will

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Howard slides or gives himself up just a couple seconds earlier.

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His slide began with like one and a half maybe

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two seconds left. By the time his slide was completed,

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the game was over. I'm not saying there should have

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been one second on the clock, no, But if Will

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Howard does slide just a little bit earlier, if he

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slides at the thirty one instead of the twenty nine,

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Ohio State does have a play. And so the buck

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guys really did watch that. The end of that game

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was more about how Ohio State failed than how Oregon was,

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you know, being so brilliant. Okay, Lanning was thinking ahead.

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But I'm not sure that's the best application of that

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automatic twelve men penalty. Probably a better application is if

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Ohio State needed a touchdown right then you have the

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twelve men on the field, you have that extra body

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in the end zone, you get just a five yard penalty.

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So you know, if you're disorganized, you know, then you

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can go back with eleven men and then reorganized. Also,

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the other idea is, you know, let's say the ball

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was not at the Oregon forty three. Let's say the

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ball was at the fifty, or maybe it was just

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slightly on Ohio State side of the field. Then I

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would say, wow, that's a perfect application of the twelve

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men penalty because in the five yard penalty doesn't get

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Ohio State into field goal range. But Landing kind of

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played it close with this, and there were still six

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seconds left after that penalty, such that Ohio State did

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have a chance to get several more yards. And again

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Will Howard did get several more yards, but he slid

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way too late. So it was more about Ohio State

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failing than Oregon succeed. But we'll get we'll go deeper

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into that one play on a separate standalone edition of

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Get Off My Pilon. That's something that you're going to

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see at Patreon later this week, so keep an eye

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on that. I'll be tweeting it out at my Twitter account.

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Matt Zemeck separate standalone episode on that one play at

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the end of Ohio State organ plenty more to say

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about Buckeys and Ducks. And the one thing we really

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have to drill down and emphasize here, and this is

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where Dan Lanning again deserves a lot of credit, is

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Oregon's offensive line. Oregon's offensive line kept Ohio State's defensive

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line at bay. The big reason that Ohio State was

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number two entering this season. It was not the offense,

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it was the defense. This was supposed to be a

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skull crushing Ohio State defense, and an Oregon offense which

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looked very pedestrian in the first few weeks of the

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season against Idaho and then against Boise State, looked very average.

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In those early season games, Oregon really developed and specifically

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on the offensive line. Oregon's offensive line came ready to

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play neutralized Ohio State's defensive line. Ohio State fans, obviously

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they're upset at Ryan Day for losing yet another big game.

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You know, Day didn't coach that poorly. And if Ohio

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State doesn't get called for that offensive pass interference, which

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you know, this is the thing I keep Let's just

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briefly deal with that offensive pass interference penalty. Two things

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one I don't think it should have been called. Three things.

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One I don't think it should have been called. Two.

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The Penn State USC game, in terms of pass interference

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was officiated completely differently from Oho State Oregon. In Ohio

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State Oregon, every little thing was being called. In Penn

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State USC, practically nothing was being called wildly and consistent,

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and so you did not get any consistency from Big

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Ten officials in those two featured Big Ten games on Saturday.

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And if you're a USC fan, and of course I'm

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at Trojan's wire, you just have to be going, you know,

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bonkers over how USC could not buy any kind of

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call with significant contact from Penn State defensive backs. And meanwhile,

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Oregon is getting every little touchbow against Ohio State. So

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Oregon gets the gets the call, USC doesn't. Part of

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that part of a miserable day for USC. That's kind

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of a tangent, but it is worth noting that the

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officiating on pass interference in Ohio State Oregon was very tight.

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That was part of that late pass interference call on

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the Buckeyes, And again I don't think it was past interference.

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But here's the third point. I've you know, if you

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follow me on Twitter, you know that i've recently the

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last two years or so have finally gotten hooked on

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soccer now. The Premier League in particular, just just didn't

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feel a soccer with something I'd ever really know that

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much about. Why invest my time kind of an object

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of curiosity. I decided to go deeper these past few years.

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I've become hooked on the game, the drama. I won't

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say I'm like a tactical you know, insider now, I'm

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not gonna say anything like that, but like I do

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have an appreciation, much more of an appreciation for what

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goes into winning soccer now that I've you know, you know,

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spent plenty of time, you know, studying the Premier League

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and the fixtures and table and all that. One of

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the big lessons I've learned from the Premier League is that,

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like when you have a one goal game or a

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tie game eighty sixth eighty seventh, eighty eighth minute and

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a game gets decided, whether it goes from a tie

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to a win and loss, or from you know, one

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team having a sure win that becomes a draw. You

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have these big swings at the top of the table

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with Arsenal and Liverpool and Man City. One of the

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central lessons I've learned is that you know when a

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questionable penalty gets called in like the eighty eighth minute.

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The calls are often bad, but you can certainly see

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an element of the play in which you know the

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defender in the penalty box, he's sticking out his arms,

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sticking out his leg. You have to let that go

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in the eighty eighth minute, right, you know, like the

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in the tenth minute or the thirtieth minute, it might

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be a little different, But in the eighty eighth minute,

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you're either trying to protect that lead or you're trying

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to protect that draw. You want to make sure you

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don't lose that you at least get a point instead

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of none. Like you just can't stick out that leg, right,

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you can't stick out that arm. You can't give the

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ref a reason to call a penalty. And again the

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call might be bad. But if you just didn't stick

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out your arm, if you didn't stick out your leg,

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the ref has no chance to call a penalty. But

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if you stick out that arm, you stick out your leg,

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stick out your hand, you at least give the referee

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a chance to make a bad call. So the soccer

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and the Premier League have really drilled down that idea

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for me. They've really hammered home that particular point, and

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that's what's going on with that Ohio State offensive pass

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and furnace. Again, I don't think it was a good call.

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Thought it was TICKI ten, all right, But the Ohio

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State receiver did not need to put his hands out,

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and the Oregon defensive back sold the play, sold the

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action like it was a flop. Like I'm Ohio State fans,

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if you're listening to this, I think it was a flop.

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But the hands were extended, so I'm not calling it

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a foul. I'm just saying the hands being extended, like

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Ohio State was at the Oregon twenty eight, you're well

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within field goal range, so you obviously do want to

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get closer make the field goal more manageable. But if

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you're a receiver running a route, you can't have your

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hands extended like that, not in that situation. You know,

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if the ball was at midfield, okay, and you're not

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in field goal range yet, then maybe you do need

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to push off discard to get separation, because you absolutely

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need to get the reception and get into field goal range.

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You just cannot have your hands and arms out in

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front like that. And the Oregon dB to you know,

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sold the call, sold the flop. The official bought it again.

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It wasn't past interference, but the Ohio State receiver created

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the visual impression that he was pushing off. I don't

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think he did, but he gave the impression. And so

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when the organ defender flops, there comes the yellow laundry

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and the game completely changes. So like these are timeless lessons,

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these are lessons about what you need to do in

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a given moment, in a given situation. And Ohio State

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just wasn't smart. And we saw Will Howard, you know,

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just starting way too late on his run. You know,

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if he was going to run the ball, he needed

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to give himself up earlier than he did. You know,

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he wouldn't have gotten an extra two to three yards,

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but he would have gotten some yards, you know. He

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Will Howard wanted a forty five yard field goal or

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forty six yard field goal, so he slid at the

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twenty nine. You know, you just got to slide at

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the thirty one, pal and be willing to live with

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a few more yards. You know, forty eight yards forty

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nine yards on the field goal attempt instead of forty six.

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Ohio State just was not situationally aware and that goes

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into the end of that ballgame and that pass interference penalty.

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One final thing, and you know, I know we're focusing

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on the West, so like we should be focusing more

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on Or but you know, we're talking about this game

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and what went down and whyatt went down, and of

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course Oregon's down the Big Ten. If Oregon and Ohio

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State do have a rematch in the Big Ten championship game,

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and you know, Ohio State versus Penn State, that might

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be the game which determines which team does play Oregon

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in that rematch. But you know, the Buckeys or the

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Nitney Lions, it looks like Oregon versus Penn State or

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Ohio State. You know, Iowa's in the mix still after

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beating Washington. But if it is Oregon and Ohio State

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in a rematch, if Ohio State does beat Penn State

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and you do have a rematch with Oregon, the game

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is going to be decided by the Oregon offensive line

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against the Ohio State defensive line. And as upset as

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Ohio State fans are at Ryan Day. They're also upset

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at Jim Knowles, the Ohio State defensive coordinator whose unit

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you know did not really rise up. But even more

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than Jim Knowles, the other Ohio State assistant coach who's

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really in the crosshairs right now for Buckeye fans is

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Larry Johnson. Larry Johnson is the defensive line coach and

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the anger from Ohio State fans at Larry Johnson. That

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is also a testament to how well Oregon's offensive line played,

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and it's a testament to how that Oregon offensive line

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so mediocre against Idaho and Boise State. That group has

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come a long way in the next several weeks since

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the start of the season. So, you know Oregon and

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Dan Lanning, you know, when they have a bad game,

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and like it's not as though like they've been dominating

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throughout the whole season, like they started very slowly, But

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when they have a bad game, they get things fixed,

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they do make adjustments, they get their house in order.

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That's why Dan Lanning's doing such a good job that

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when something bad happens, a problem gets fixed. That's a

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big reason why. And Dylan Gabriel, you know, Dylan Gabriel

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did not play great football the first several weeks of

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the season. He played great against Ohio State. He was

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definitely at a higher level. Oregon fixes problems, and that

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really is the story of the Ducks win overall House

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State by so many talking points from that game. And

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again you're gonna get more on that twelve men on

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the field penalty and a separate standalone edition of Get

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Off My Pylon over at Patreon. Now, this notion of

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Oregon fixing problems, it's really the perfect segue into that

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other big Big ten game with a West Coast flavor,

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Penn Stay at USC in the coliseum, Penn State wins

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thirty three thirty in overtime. And so USC, unlike Orgon,

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is not fixing problems. You know, USC has labored under

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some very specific burdens and shortcomings this season under Lincoln Riley.

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And when when something bad happens that USC, the problem

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does not get fixed. It might get slightly improved, but

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the problem does not get fixed. The problem does not

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get nipped in the bud it lingers. And so with USC,

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you know, it seemed at the start that some problems

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were getting fixed against Penn State because USC had been

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a terrible first half team this season. Finally we saw

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USC play a good first half in USC. Bad first

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half against Michigan, bad first half against Wisconsin, bad first

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half against Minnesota, and you would see USC play really

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well in the third quarter. Then you know, didn't play

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great in the fourth quarter against Michigan or Minnesota, and

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that's why the Trojans lost those games. But USC was

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an excellent third quarter team in all three of those

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games Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota. So USC would play a bad

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first half, would make good halftime adjustments, would come out

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roaring in the third quarter, and play a really strong

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fifteen to twenty minutes like USC from halftime to the

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ten minute mark of the fourth quarter, lights out against

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all three teams over the previous few weeks Michigan on

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September twenty one, Wisconsin September twenty eight, Minnesota October five.

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USC owned the first twenty minutes of the second half

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in all three of those games, so USC was making

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the halftime adjustments. So in this Penn State game, US

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he finally plays that elusive quality first half it had

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been searching for. Up twenty to six. Drew hour of

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Penn State looked terrible. Penn State's defense looked soft. USC

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was able to begin to run the ball against Penn State.

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So USC had everything going its way. And so you think, Okay,

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this has been a good second half team, it's been

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a great third quarter team. Finally USC's putting it all together,

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Finally us he's going to play that complete game that

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the Trojans have been struggling to play. Nope, you know,

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just when USC finally plays the good first half, the

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team gets blown out in the in the third quarter,

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gets outplayed in the second half. So what does that

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tell you? What does that tell you about USC? That

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whatever the program does, whatever the team does on the field,

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the bad cancels out the good. You know that USC

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basically is able to play well in spots, but it

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can't play that complete game, can't play with any consistency.

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If good habits emerge for a twenty or twenty five

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minute block of time, they're not carried through to the end.

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Either Either we have to see the Trojans play a

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bad first half or they finally get it right in

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the second half, or if they start well as they

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did against Penn State, it doesn't carry through. It doesn't

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continue for the whole game. And so you know, you

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could say that USC is just a few plays away

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from being six and zero. But how many other teams

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can can say that? How many other teams are we're

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muttering to themselves right now, Well we could be undefeated

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except for this play in that game or that play

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in the other game. No, no, no, no. Winners do not

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talk that way. Winners do not say, well, if we

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just made a couple of plays, we'd be great. That's

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the whole point. Winning teams make the final plays. Winning

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teams finish the job. Winning teams leave no doubt. And

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one of the talking points I've had for USC all

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season long, if you lead by ten or fourteen points

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late in the game, one or two bad calls won't

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sink your ship. You know, if you lead by two possessions,

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that really bad call. And I mentioned this earlier, like

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USC got some terrible calls from the Big Ten officiating

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crew on pass interference, like mackay Lemon of USC wide

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receiver clearly got interfered with late in that Penn State game.

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No call, again, it was a bad call. No one's

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disputing that. But I'm not here for the excuses. I'm

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not here for well, we got screwed by the refs.

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You know, if the refs had made better calls, would

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have won. Hey, USC had a fourteen point lead, if

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USC had maintained that lead, if it had played well

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in the third quarter, that had maintained consistency over the

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course of a full game you had, those calls late

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in the game wouldn't have mattered. And so us He

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is always playing within the margin of air where one

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bag call swings the needle in the wrong direction, and

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USC should be good enough it that one call doesn't

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determine the outcome of its games. And you just can't

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keep playing games close to the vest one score, one

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possession at the very end of the fourth quarter, and

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USC is playing to the competition every week two. USC

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was definitely better this week against Penn State compared to

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how it was against Minnesota. The loss to Penn State

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is obviously a stinger in the fact that USC blew

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a fourteen point lead is obviously cuts deep. But in

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many ways this game, you know, USC playing a solid,

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a flawed, but generally solid game against Penn State. This

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game shows how poorly us He played against Minnesota and Michigan.

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You know, Michigan lost at Washington. Michigan's not very good.

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Michigan can't throw the football. USC really had no business

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losing that Michigan game, and it had no business losing

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to a Minnesota team, which you know, if we look

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at the past weekend of results outside of the you know,

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the feature games, Minnesota barely beat Ucla. Minnesota needed a

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touchdown with twenty seven seconds left to beat Ucla, So

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basically Minnesota beat USC and Ucla in the last minute.

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So Minnesota beat USC and Ucla pretty much in the

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same way with the same degree of difficulty like for

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USC to lose to that Minnesota team. A Minnesota team

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which almost lost to Ucla and Ucla is very probably

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the worst team in the Big Ten. I mean, Northwestern

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is in the discussion, Purdue is in the discussion, but

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Purdue actually put up a fight against Illinois. Purdue scored

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forty nine points at Illinois, so Purdue might actually be

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getting a little bit better. Minnesota barely beat Ucla, and

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yet USC lost to that Minnesota team. So this Penn

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State game magnifies how awful it is and was that

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USC lost to Minnesota just absolutely no business losing that game.

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And so for the Tropans to be three and three

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with losses coming to Michigan and Minnesota like that is

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drastic underperformance. And I know that USC doesn't have an

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elite roster, and I know USC doesn't have an elite team.

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That's why USC lost to Penn State. But you can't

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really say the same thing against Michigan and Minnesota. Those

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are two dramatically flawed teams, and USC couldn't be either

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of those guys like US, he should not going to

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say US he should be six and zero, but US

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he should be five and one, And for the Tropans

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to be three and three, like, you can whine about

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bad calls in close games all you want, but this

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team has definitely underachieved, and that, like that point I

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don't think can really be debated. You know, this is

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a competitive sport. If you're continuously losing close games late,

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it's not just like, oh, the ball bounced the wrong way. No,

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there were tangible things you could have done, and specifically

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with its USC team. To drill down a little deeper,

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if you look at all three of the Trojans' losses

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so far this season, you can point to an offensive

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possession that went wrong precisely when the Trojans had a

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chance to win against Minnesota. It was that drive early

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in the fourth quarter, second and five at the Minnesota

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thirty six. Just getting a field goal would have given

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USC a ten point lead. USC led seventeen to ten.

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The offensive line gets blown up on two straight plays,

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the second of which produces an interception. Minnesota drives down

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the field, USC's defensive line picks up an injury to

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Anthony Lucas Minnesota scores ties. The game then goes ahead.

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You know, the offensive line failed precisely when USC was

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on the verge of winning that Minnesota game. The USC

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offensive line failed got blown up by Michigan's front four

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when USC led Michigan twenty four to twenty, had the

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ball with five minutes left. If the offensive line steps

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up on that drive and USC gets two first downs, ballgame,

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but the offensive line faltered. And then against Penn State

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at the end of regulation, and then in overtime, offensive

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line gave up pressure on Miller Moss the pass rush

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was able to, you know, make life more difficult for

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USC's quarterback, and the Trojans don't get points on either

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of those drives, and they lose a ballgame to Penn State.

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USC's offensive line had its moments against Penn State. You know,

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play well for about twenty five thirty minutes, but that's

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the point. USC is a thirty minute team, the offensive

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line included, and in the biggest moments, USC shrinks instead

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of rises, and that's why the Trojans are where they

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are at three and three. Okay, sough about USC, and

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we've also done Ohio State. Oregon also ducked in a

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word about Ucile Minnesota. Other games of note, so Washington

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part of our focus on western college football in the

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United States. Washington goes to Iowa, and so once again

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we have a team that's traveling multiple time zones and

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gets throttled and the Huskies just can't put it together

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on offense. And we saw once again they drove seventy

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three yards early in the game did not get points.

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And that has just been happening so often to the

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Huskies this season. It's really kind of crazy how much

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of a broken record it is for Jed Fish. He

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watches his offense move the ball down the field, but

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they can't finish a drive in the red zone, the

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field goal unit fails. Washington has one of the worst

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kicking units plays kicking units in college football. So just

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the Husky just keep blowing scoring opportunities early in games,

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and like the house is going to fall down when

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that stuff keeps happening early in games. That's just not sustainable.

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And we saw the Huskies lose steam after that. I

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wul taking over. The Hawk guy's hammering the Huskies in

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the second half. Like Washington just has to, you know,

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solve these problems. We talked about, you know, USC not

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fixing problems. Whereas Oregon does fix problems, Washington is very

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much along there with USC. It's a team and a

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coaching staff that's not fixing problems, the same problems that

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keep propping up week after week. That's why Washington is

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mired and mediocrity, losing to Iowa as it labors into

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the middle third of its Big Ten season. Okay, other

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Western college football teams, we have to look at the

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Big twelve game presented to you by the Pac twelve

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Utah and Arizona State last Friday, and so you know,

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cam Rising, it's sad, but it's just what else is

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there to say at this point, cam Rising just can't

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stay healthy, and Utah being the Big twelve favorite depended

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on cam Rising being healthy, being himself, you just don't

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have that same team with the Utes. But you know,

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as much as Cam Rising is, cam Rising's lack of

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health is responsible for Utah not being very good right now.

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The Utah defense, you know, was able to pick up

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the slack, you know, win at Oklahoma State a few

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weeks ago. That Utah defense was not able to pick

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up the slack against Arizona State, the Sun Devils were

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able to run ball really well. Uh you know, so

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Kenny Dillingham, the work that he's done with that team,

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especially on the offensive line, and like, the offensive line

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is the nerve center for a football team. Like we

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have to just put that out there. I mean you

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probably already sense that, but you know, the offensive line,

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whether it's for better or worse, it's really the heartbeat

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of these teams that we analyze. Arizona State's offensive line,

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which was crushed by injuries a year ago, so much

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better this year under Dillingham. Uh. The Sun Devils do

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not have a dynamic passing attack, but they're able to

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run the game. They're able to get big home run

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rushing plays, and so that's why ASU is, you know,

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just about to clinch ball eligibility. A tremendous success for ASU.

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And let's see if the Sun Devils can make a

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run at the Big twelve championship game. They're definitely in

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the mix right now with Ohio State or Ohio State,

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Iowa State being out in front in that Big twelve

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race BYU as well well, but Arizona State is in

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the hunt. An amazing job by Kenny Dillingham in the

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desert this season with Utah. Now you know, Utah's big

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00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,400
goals are basically dashed and it's just unfortunate that Cam

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Rising could not stay healthy. Colorado. Colorado had a brief

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lead over Kansas State, and you know Kansas State earlier

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in the year at BYU controlled most of the first half,

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then committed a bunch of mistakes, fell behind, and the

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game unraveled for the Wildcats. We were seeing something similar

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against Colorado. The difference being that whereas Kansas State faltered

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in the first half against BYU, Kansas State faltered in

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the second half against Colorado. And so late in the

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00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,960
game Colorado is up by four. Kansas State was staying

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at another really bad loss, but the Wildcats were able

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to rescue themselves this time, and so Colorado came close

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to stealing another win. You know, Colorado stole one win

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against Baylor hail Mary touchdown at the end of the

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game to force overtime and then beat the Bears in

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the extra period. Well, not this time. Colorado was not

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able to steal another win. I give Colorado and Dion

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00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,119
Sanders' credit, like they've been better and more competitive than

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I thought they would be. But the weakness in Colorado's

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00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,519
line play on both sides of the ball catching up

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with the Buffs, and you have to think that that's

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going to continue to happen. The main thing for Colorado

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get to a bowl game, get those bowl practices, give

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coach Prime a chance to develop the roster, teach technique,

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00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:53,000
grow some better habits for the off season. That's obviously

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going to be important. But of course, you know in

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twenty twenty five, Calao's not going to have Shader Sanders

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at quarter. He's going to head off to the NFL,

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one would think, So that's going to probably place a

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limitation on what Colorad can do next year. So it's

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important for Colorado to be able to shrug off this

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Kansas State loss, look at the good things SeeU as

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doing and make sure you clinch Bowl eligibility in the

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coming weeks. So it's a missed opportunity for Colorau, but

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also in many ways reality check, like you can't keep

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expecting to steal games late with rallies. Kylora is gonna

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00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,400
need to get on top of these games a little

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bit more often, kind of like how it did against UCF.

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But that's been the exception more than the rule, and

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so Colorad still has some work to do to clinch

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Bowl eligibility and make the improvements that Deon Sanders is

537
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,480
hoping for in Boulder. Elsewhere in western college football in

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,960
the United States of Boise State, Ashton gent and the Broncos,

539
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640
they went at why but it was a struggle. You know,

540
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,359
the Hawaii treated that game as its super Bowl. You know,

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that was the game where Hawaii went all in. You

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00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,000
saw a great effort from Hawaii on defense. Boise State

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was stuck at thirteen points deep into the second half.

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Boise State is finally able to put together a late

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touchdown drive to turn a thirteen to seven game into

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a twenty one to seven game. But man, it took

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00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,920
a long time for Boise State to get going. It'll

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00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,880
be interesting to see, you know, is that a sign

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of any kind of erosion mid season weakness for the

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Broncos as they pursued the Group of Five championship in

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00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:47,359
a spot in the college Football playoff. Obviously, Boise State

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00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
and UNLV are going to play each other. That's gonna

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be a point of focus in the Group of five race.

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Of course, you also have Army and Navy in the

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00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:58,599
hunt for the Group of five. That's a fascinating talking point.

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But in terms of you know, the Western in the

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00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,920
United States, Boise State and UNLV are the two central

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00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,760
points of focus. And so UNLV and Barry coach Barry Odom,

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they're gonna look at that Boise State Hawaii film and

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,000
look at things that Hawaii did to slow down the

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Boise State offense. It's gonna be an interesting plot point

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when UNLV and Boise State eventually do meet. Elsewhere in

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Western college football. We also have to touch on the

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Arizona Wildcats. They get crushed by BYU, BYU having a

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great season, unbeaten in the Big Twelve and Arizona has

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been ordinary. Arizona has been mediocre. The offense scores just

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nineteen points. You know, Noah Fafita, Teturoy McMillan coming back,

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00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,039
as you know, presumably one of the elite pitch catch

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combinations in the United States. But like they they don't

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have a lot else around them, and defenses have been

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able to take away the deep shot. They've been able

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to take away a significant measure of Arizona's offensive potency.

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And so what we've said earlier on this podcast over

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the course of the season is just worth saying again.

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And it might seem like a broken record, but like

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it's just the obvious truf that's out there just can't

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be ignored. While Jedfish did not bring Fafita and McMillan

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to Washington, which is what he ultimately wanted to do,

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00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
it's what he ultimately hoped to do, he still did

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bring a lot of players from Tucson to Seattle, and

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those players, those role players, part of that supporting cast.

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It turns out that Arizona is missing those players more

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than the Wildcats hoped would be the case. Even though

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the Wildcats kept their star quarterback and their star receiver. Yeah,

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00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,719
the supporting cast really mattered, and the erosion of the

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00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:57,199
roster has still been significant enough to drag down the Wildcats.

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The replacements that Brent Brennan I had to bring in

588
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,519
haven't been up to the same standard. That's why Arizona

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00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,320
is where it is at this point in the college

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,880
football season. So obviously you can tell a lot going

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on in Western college football in the United States. Are

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really compelling games, some really interesting plot points. That pretty

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much rounds out our show for this week. But before

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we go, as always college football fans, the season is

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now at it's midpoint. Lots of big games ahead, whether

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it's you know, Arizona State in Colorado in the Big Twelve,

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you know, chasing their season goals, or whether it's Oregon

598
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,000
closing in on a college football playoff and playing some

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of the bigger games that are coming down the pike

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later in the year, like Oregon's at Wisconsin. That should

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be a really interesting game. Let's see how cold the

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00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,719
weather is in Madison for that game. Oregon Michigan as well.

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So any interesting games still left in the season, which

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is basically at its midpoint, we want to make sure

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