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Speaker 1: one episode six forty four, he came on and told
Speaker 1: us about a werewolf encounter he had when he was
Speaker 1: eight years old staying at his aunt's house. But on
Speaker 1: six forty four nor six forty six did he tell
Speaker 1: us about his dog meanning counters. Well, that's what he
Speaker 1: has come back to do tonight, to tell us about
Speaker 1: those dog mean experiences. But having said that, Tonight's guest
Speaker 1: is Phil cotton Ball. Phil, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 2: Hey, no, boys, thanks very much for having us. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you. But having us back on it's great bandback
Speaker 2: head to be honest with, really is you know, as
Speaker 2: a great channel, and you know it's you give people
Speaker 2: a platform and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. Thanks for the good words too, But
Speaker 1: now I've just been looking forward to having you back on,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm not the only one so like
Speaker 1: I said, thanks again so much. Now having said that, Phil,
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of dog me and experiences to
Speaker 1: share tonight. The listeners have been clamoring to hear about
Speaker 1: these dog men experiences you've had. But before we get
Speaker 1: to that, I've got a question for you. I like
Speaker 1: to walk in the woods. This morning, I went for
Speaker 1: a nice long walk again in the woods, and I'm
Speaker 1: wondering over here the tics are so bad this year.
Speaker 1: What I'm dying to know is, I know ticks are
Speaker 1: horrible obviously in the States here, they're horrible in Canada.
Speaker 1: How are they over there? Are they atrocious over there
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Not for me personally, no, because going by you know
Speaker 2: what the other half, the missus said that I've got
Speaker 2: acid for blood. No, what tends to get me is
Speaker 2: the mozzies. The mosquitoes tend to get me. You know.
Speaker 2: I've got bites on my legs because you know, it's
Speaker 2: hot weather, which has been over here in the UK.
Speaker 2: We've had like a mini heat wave and it's gone
Speaker 2: up to like thirty two thirty three and really yeah,
Speaker 2: so I've been going out to shorts, you know, because
Speaker 2: it kind of like I just I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's so hot, and I went to Thetford Forest boy,
Speaker 2: because it's also quite there's parts of it really got
Speaker 2: a lot of ponds and it's quite boggy and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And yeah, it's the mozzies that got me
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But yeah, we do get ticks.
Speaker 2: Yeah we do get ticks. But with those, you go,
Speaker 2: I'm always careful with the dogs most of all. If
Speaker 2: I take the dogs out, you know, I always make
Speaker 2: sure that I get a tick comb and make sure
Speaker 2: they also have their one, you know, their neck you
Speaker 2: put that drop on, you know, I always make sure
Speaker 2: they have that up to date as well. But as
Speaker 2: for myself, now, I just get absolutely obliterated by mozzies.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I find is good for that
Speaker 2: is do you get these patches. And these patches you
Speaker 2: put onto your clothing and they seem to put one
Speaker 2: on your trousers or your skirt or shorts as I
Speaker 2: wear a lot of times, and one on your t
Speaker 2: shirt and it kind of like it permeates the air
Speaker 2: around you and keeps a lot of the mozzies behind.
Speaker 2: But to still get food out barrier and just like yeah,
Speaker 2: just nibble away. And get me. But yeah, I know
Speaker 2: it ticks. It's been really bad over there, then.
Speaker 1: Oh, horrendous. Every place I've checked on has been horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what the state, it's just been
Speaker 1: a really really bad year for him. I don't like
Speaker 1: mosquitoes either, but I'll definitely take mosquito bites any day
Speaker 1: over these guys. Then again, mosquitoes there's no risk of
Speaker 1: them giving alpha gal or lime disease or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Of course you can get some nasty things from mosquitoes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the tixes here are just horrible. They really are.
Speaker 1: So they might be awful over here. I'm just glad
Speaker 1: to hear that at least you guys don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with this.
Speaker 2: No, it's not for me personally, No, I mean we
Speaker 2: have we have them, but yeah, for me personally, Like
Speaker 2: I say, I think, you know, it's mostly the mozziest
Speaker 2: I have trouble with either here, and I'm never getting
Speaker 2: bit by a spider once over here. And funny enough,
Speaker 2: it was just before I went over to the States,
Speaker 2: because I was flying over and I was over here
Speaker 2: and I was in Norfolk, and we broke down in
Speaker 2: a work van and I had my arm out the windows.
Speaker 2: I had my arm out the window and I was
Speaker 2: like waiting for the recovery to come. And I felt
Speaker 2: something sharp on my finger and my little finger and
Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it. And I thought something. It
Speaker 2: was something sharp, maybe a fawn or something. I don't know. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it got to the States by the time I got
Speaker 2: over to the States we're in about a day or two.
Speaker 2: Boy did it blow up my little finger. Honestly, it
Speaker 2: looked like a club foot it was. It was. It
Speaker 2: was massive. Wow, absolutely yeah. And I went to the
Speaker 2: local hospital over there and where I was, and I
Speaker 2: said it was a spider by and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: it must have been in the UK. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a real particularly nasty spider. But we do have
Speaker 2: black widows over here, or what they call they're like
Speaker 2: cloned black widows. You know, they're not the actual black widows,
Speaker 2: but they're like that. But I believe they buy it
Speaker 2: as well. And half spiders as well, halves spiders. I've
Speaker 2: known a harvest spider by a guy that I know.
Speaker 2: He's passed away now, but and he told me that
Speaker 2: one was on his shoulder. He went to flick it
Speaker 2: off and it hissed him. I was like, you're kidding.
Speaker 2: He said't seriously, uh huh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: He went to flick it off right and it hissed
Speaker 2: at him. I was like, you're kidding, he said no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. I was like, God, how big was that?
Speaker 2: It's a farewell size because half the spiders come into
Speaker 2: your house when they're you know, they're combine harvesters are
Speaker 2: taken down there. It's awesome time taking down all the
Speaker 2: harvests and they all start running away and like heading
Speaker 2: in for the nearest domicile where they can get protection.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it was on his shoulder and just
Speaker 2: like I was like, wow, seriously, that's crazy in it. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a strange world out there, Vick.
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Speaker 1: get down to brass texts. Phil Please take your time
Speaker 1: and tell us all about your dogman encounters. Now give
Speaker 1: us ever last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, boys, thank you. There's a certain thing called
Speaker 2: scope a cpia scope Youcpia basically means it's when you
Speaker 2: can feel someone looking at you. Now in the forces,
Speaker 2: just say, for instance, that you're in the junk and
Speaker 2: you wanted to ambush your enemy and the enemy was
Speaker 2: walking past you along a path and you were hiding
Speaker 2: all camouflaged up, and you were hiding in the jungles
Speaker 2: and you were just feet away from them. You were
Speaker 2: trained in the Army and in the services not to
Speaker 2: look at them as they pass you. You're trained to
Speaker 2: look down at the ground because if you were to
Speaker 2: look at them, even though they don't know you're there,
Speaker 2: it's at that point that they will know through scope
Speaker 2: supia that you are looking at them and they will turn.
Speaker 2: It's that knowing that you're being watched. It's part of
Speaker 2: our six sense. Can I say that it's part of
Speaker 2: our supernatural abilities that we've kind of got still, it's
Speaker 2: something that can't easily be quantified, but it's something which
Speaker 2: we have, and a lot of people which witness dog
Speaker 2: men find this and they testify to this where they've
Speaker 2: been out in woods, they've been out in the forests
Speaker 2: and they feel eyes on them. I felt that I've
Speaker 2: had that, and I had it most strongly. I was
Speaker 2: in a wood and it was during the day. It
Speaker 2: was a lovely day. I can't say that it was mysterious.
Speaker 2: I can't say it was foggy. I can't say it
Speaker 2: was nighttime. I can't put any connotations of it being scary.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful walk with dogs, both Ruby and
Speaker 2: Basil Jack Russell terriers, and we were having a lovely
Speaker 2: afternoon walking along a path. We came up to a
Speaker 2: tree and this tree was across the path. Now, I've
Speaker 2: walked this path quite a few times, and the last
Speaker 2: time I walked the path was at that point. It
Speaker 2: was Sunday. This was twenty twenty three, and I used
Speaker 2: to do that every Sunday, a long spark because it
Speaker 2: used to go around the perimeter of this wood. It
Speaker 2: was great. It's fantastic well, great for the dogs, and
Speaker 2: especially good because there was a couple of spots on
Speaker 2: the way that I could stop and make myself a brew,
Speaker 2: so I'd stop. I'd have a burnard with mere little
Speaker 2: guest cartridge tank I've made myself cup of tea. Dogs
Speaker 2: would have a biscuit, just have a little rest halfway through.
Speaker 2: So it was great for that nice and quiet. I
Speaker 2: didn't have to drive miles and miles miles to get
Speaker 2: to it, so it's great. This one sunday, walking down
Speaker 2: his path, there was a big tree. I would say
Speaker 2: it was a round about. The diameter of the trunk
Speaker 2: itself was a roundabout a foot, if not a foot
Speaker 2: and a half. It was a big tree, too big
Speaker 2: for me to just easily walk over, because of course
Speaker 2: it had branches that it was a healthy tree ad
Speaker 2: branches coming out of it, which made it even more
Speaker 2: difficult to get by. To the side of me were brambles,
Speaker 2: and to the other side, once again more brambles, tawny
Speaker 2: BlackBerry bushes. And I thought, okay, right, what was the
Speaker 2: best best way I can get through this is to
Speaker 2: grab hold of each dog at a time and get
Speaker 2: them over the tree over the other side. At that
Speaker 2: point of trying to bend down to get the dogs, right,
Speaker 2: it's like trying to pick up a spaghetti with a
Speaker 2: wooden spoon. My dogs were going in circles. I looked
Speaker 2: back and I could see why they were going in circles,
Speaker 2: and I had that feeling instantaneously that was being washed.
Speaker 2: Then I saw two figures, not one, but two, and
Speaker 2: they were quite thin. Their legs were I saw their
Speaker 2: legs and they were digit grade. They were dog shaped
Speaker 2: like a hook to them. That's the first thing I noticed.
Speaker 2: And they were going in a zig zag fashion, and
Speaker 2: they were going across the path about one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yards behind me, just running from one side of
Speaker 2: the path to the other side into the forest and
Speaker 2: back out again and then back across. My dog's Bazil
Speaker 2: in particular, was just going crazy with it. What I
Speaker 2: did do is I hooked them on quick And the
Speaker 2: funniest part was Basil and Ruby they were quite happy
Speaker 2: to be hooked up on the lead. They didn't venture
Speaker 2: any further down the path towards these dog men. I
Speaker 2: can't call them anything else because I know them to
Speaker 2: be dog men, and they were young. I had the
Speaker 2: feeling that they were young. I didn't see the eyes.
Speaker 2: I did see the muzzles, and they were long muzzles.
Speaker 2: Their body structure was thin. They weren't heavy set. They
Speaker 2: were almost like lamaciated versions of dog men. Over here,
Speaker 2: we've had instances of what they call wood boogers, and
Speaker 2: wood burgogers are they're a type of forest dwelling creature
Speaker 2: which is typically very thin, very quick, very agile, and
Speaker 2: they go back way back into history in the UK.
Speaker 2: These weren't wood boogers because wood boogers have more of
Speaker 2: a flat human like face. These didn't. These had muzzles,
Speaker 2: both of them. But as the movement they had quick
Speaker 2: they moved their legs almost like they were taking five
Speaker 2: foot strides at a time. The legs were you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'd tell you what it looked like to me.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you see people and they've got if they've
Speaker 2: lost a limb, and they and you see them running
Speaker 2: in the Paralympics, and they've got those springy, springy running
Speaker 2: shoes on, if you like, boards attached to their attached
Speaker 2: to their legs, it was almost like seeing those The
Speaker 2: bounce they had and the stride they had, it was
Speaker 2: phenomenal to see. But I felt with that, I felt
Speaker 2: I needed to get the dogs away. Now. In the
Speaker 2: past I've spoken about dog men and I've spoken that
Speaker 2: they won't harm people because they want to, because it's
Speaker 2: in their nature too, and I stand by that. But
Speaker 2: they are instinctual. They do act on instinct, and they
Speaker 2: don't particularly like dogs. They really don't like cats, that's
Speaker 2: taken as a given. But they will talkture a cat,
Speaker 2: but they don't like dogs at all. So it was imperative.
Speaker 2: And my thing at that time was to get the
Speaker 2: dogs out and get the dogs to safety. My dogs.
Speaker 2: So the only the only way I could do it
Speaker 2: because I had two of them, and it was just
Speaker 2: too broad a tree to try, and and I didn't
Speaker 2: really want to put my back to these creatures. There
Speaker 2: was zigzagging across the path because if they can move
Speaker 2: that quickly, if I turned my back, in my mind,
Speaker 2: I thought they'd be on top of me in low
Speaker 2: time at all. I wanted to keep my eyes on them.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to turn my back to them. So
Speaker 2: I picked up Basil and I went through the brush.
Speaker 2: I went through the BlackBerry fawns. I just strode through
Speaker 2: them and just sucked it up. Yeah you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I just sucked up the fawns and went
Speaker 2: through and then I got Basil on the other side.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Then went leaned back, got hold of Ruby, picked her
Speaker 2: up while still holding the lead on Basil, and done
Speaker 2: the same. So I was I was straddling the bushes,
Speaker 2: and then we made our very sharp exit. But the
Speaker 2: dogs all the while were just trying to circle me.
Speaker 2: My dogs, but they didn't want to go back down
Speaker 2: that path. They didn't look, they didn't pull to go
Speaker 2: back down that path. If anything, they pulled in the
Speaker 2: opposite direction. They didn't want to go back down. These
Speaker 2: dog men. To say they were quick as an absolute
Speaker 2: understatement to see them bounding across the path, but the
Speaker 2: movement they had was astonishing, and they would crisscross like
Speaker 2: an a zig zag, which was most strange. If anyone's
Speaker 2: had moments in the woods where they thought they'd been seen,
Speaker 2: had eyes on them, they will know they will recognize
Speaker 2: that feeling. And that was the feeling I had as
Speaker 2: we came up to that fallen tree. I don't think
Speaker 2: that tree was down by accident. I think that tree
Speaker 2: was down with intention. My advice if you do come
Speaker 2: across a tree that is in your way along a path,
Speaker 2: especially a path trodden by people, path that you know,
Speaker 2: then keep an eye on your back, keep an eye
Speaker 2: behind you, keep an eye to your side, especially if
Speaker 2: you've got dogs with me, because it could very well
Speaker 2: be intentional. And I don't think it's for you. I
Speaker 2: don't think I don't think it was for me particularly,
Speaker 2: but I do think that instinctually it's yeah, for the dogs.
Speaker 2: I think that's what that that occasion was for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was quite That was quite a scary scary time
Speaker 2: because when you're out and it's just yourself and two
Speaker 2: dogs that you love, you know, they're like my children.
Speaker 2: I just want to get them to safety, you know.
Speaker 2: That's the fighting part that you know, because you just
Speaker 2: have got these things which you know will do whatever
Speaker 2: you know to your dogs. You just don't know, and
Speaker 2: it's just to get them to safety. So, yeah, that
Speaker 2: was a very scary, scary, scary episode that I had.
Speaker 2: In the same word, if I could just mention this
Speaker 2: other other time, I had a black old shook or
Speaker 2: black shook. Now, if you've been out in the woods,
Speaker 2: I know I've heard many people talk talk about this
Speaker 2: where they've been out and they've had a silence, and
Speaker 2: that silence is it's almost like walking into a bubble.
Speaker 2: Of silence, where the whole forest goes just the fly quiet,
Speaker 2: and it raises that hackles. It's odd the oddest thing
Speaker 2: now in this wood, same wood, but I was over
Speaker 2: the other so a big wood. I was over the
Speaker 2: other side. It's in Essex in the UK. It's quite
Speaker 2: well known locally this place. I'm not going to give
Speaker 2: the name out of it. The name of it out
Speaker 2: untell you why because you find a lot of people
Speaker 2: that are their intention is less than honorable, and a
Speaker 2: lot of them. It's a beautiful wood. It's hasn't got
Speaker 2: things which are even though it's close by to a town,
Speaker 2: it hasn't got the their that goes part and parcel
Speaker 2: with a lot of woods that are close to towns,
Speaker 2: like beer cans and food wrappers and people scrawling on
Speaker 2: trees and just rubbish everywhere and stuff like that. Is
Speaker 2: quite untouched. It's like almost like I've forgotten with this place.
Speaker 2: It's very lovely. In the UK, there's a long history
Speaker 2: of what we call the black Dog or black shook.
Speaker 2: Other names for it are old scarf, old rugman, old shep.
Speaker 2: The hateful thing shop comes from the Anglo Saxon scooker,
Speaker 2: meaning devil, and even in its appearance in a it
Speaker 2: lives up to its name. Some people call it pad
Speaker 2: foot and it's a harbinger of Some people that have
Speaker 2: witnessed it mentioned say that it brings bad luck. It's
Speaker 2: an omen of that was the best way of saying it.
Speaker 2: It's an omen of fatality without saying the D word.
Speaker 2: Other people say it's a warning. It's often seen in
Speaker 2: burial mounds, is often seen in cemeteries. It's typically the
Speaker 2: size of a small horse, full grown horse, but a
Speaker 2: small horse. It's it's very sizable for a hound, typically
Speaker 2: red eyes, typically quadrupedal only. There's been instances in the
Speaker 2: UK of it, very famous instances in Bliveboro in a
Speaker 2: church during a thunderstorm, rushing down and unliving a lot
Speaker 2: of parishioners in fifteen thirty seven, I believe are probably
Speaker 2: wrong now, but it's fifteen thirty seven or thirty three,
Speaker 2: and also the same night of a thunderstorm, it traveled
Speaker 2: many miles to another church in Bungi in Suffolk and
Speaker 2: did the same thing, and craw marks can still be
Speaker 2: seen to this very day. To what has that got
Speaker 2: to do with my account? Well, I was walking once
Speaker 2: again with Booby and Basil. We were out and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden that just went quiet. And the strangest
Speaker 2: part of it was, it's close to a town. There
Speaker 2: is traffic noise. It's not out miles and miles and
Speaker 2: miles where I had to walk two and a half
Speaker 2: miles to get out, in the middle of the wilderness
Speaker 2: where there's nothing at all. There is background noise. Close
Speaker 2: by is a road, a busy road, so it's not
Speaker 2: without sound. There's always that background hum of the traffic.
Speaker 2: There was a town with after all, we stepped in
Speaker 2: and I mean stepped into a bubble of silence. Traffic
Speaker 2: noise ceased instantly. Ruby Basil stopped. Luckily on both all
Speaker 2: of these accounts, I'm telling you I caught on video.
Speaker 2: I then looked across to see what the dogs were
Speaker 2: intently looking at, and they were looking into the forest
Speaker 2: or the woodside. They were looking deep into the wood.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see anything at first. It was the afternoon,
Speaker 2: it was bright, it wasn't foggy, it was clear, and
Speaker 2: then I saw it sitting behind partially partially exposed, behind
Speaker 2: the tree. There was this large black hound pointy Alsatian
Speaker 2: type is but it wasn't no alsatian. It was the
Speaker 2: deepest black, partially obscured by this tree where it was looking.
Speaker 2: It was watching silent and still, and it was just
Speaker 2: my dogs, myself and this shock just watching each other
Speaker 2: in this silence. It didn't move, We didn't move. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I looked down and I
Speaker 2: said to Ruby, come on, because she was whimpering, come on,
Speaker 2: we've gotta go, Come and go. Let's go. The moment
Speaker 2: I looked up again, the truck was gone and the
Speaker 2: sound was back. I looked over at the tree where
Speaker 2: it was hit gun. At that instant, as soon as
Speaker 2: we look back that that sound, just the hum of
Speaker 2: the traffic in a distance came back. Everything came alive.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of times when people have
Speaker 2: these instances when they walk into a bubble, I think
Speaker 2: it's of silence. It's something that is created, and I
Speaker 2: think it's it's there for no other reason. I think
Speaker 2: then it's a byproduct of these creatures, and I think
Speaker 2: so many people experience it. And it's one hundred percent true, absolutely,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. These woods have a long history.
Speaker 2: They're also woods which I won't be too specific, but
Speaker 2: I think people get the general idea if I tell
Speaker 2: you that although they're beautiful woods, although they're they're they're
Speaker 2: they're they're very close to a town in Essex, there
Speaker 2: are also woods with a darker history to them where
Speaker 2: people have gone and they've passed away, if you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, they've gone and who no fault of
Speaker 2: anyone else, these people have passed over in those woods.
Speaker 2: I think you can guess what I mean. But they're
Speaker 2: well known for that happening, not frequently, but enough enough,
Speaker 2: and it's happened in relatively recent within the last ten
Speaker 2: years as the last one. But it's something which has
Speaker 2: happened which is an oddity. Not quite sure why, but
Speaker 2: whether that has any bearing on what happens then what
Speaker 2: I've witnessed there. Maybe there's also been a lot of sigels,
Speaker 2: which are sometimes when you're out of the woods, you
Speaker 2: will see a like I look for structures. I've spoken
Speaker 2: about this before, tep structures and x'es and y's in
Speaker 2: the forest. Sometimes you also get in the forest signs,
Speaker 2: you will get what I called siguals. Sometimes with black
Speaker 2: magic witchcraft. Sometimes they piecemeal together sticks and they will
Speaker 2: make them into a form of pattern. Sometimes the patterns
Speaker 2: will depict a human figure. Sometimes the patterns will form
Speaker 2: a pentagram type, and you often find that in these woods.
Speaker 2: So I go to the place simply because it's near
Speaker 2: and it is very beautiful, and I find it extremely relaxed.
Speaker 2: It's a nice place. It's nearby. I don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about driving very far. The dogs enjoy it. It's
Speaker 2: got ponds, it's got a place to stop and b coppa,
Speaker 2: so it suits. But I'm I'm still aware. And when
Speaker 2: people say you have to travel traveled two and a
Speaker 2: half hours into densest forest, do you know you don't
Speaker 2: have to. It's surprising, it's I'm not saying this to
Speaker 2: worry people, but do you know even your local woods
Speaker 2: dog men are surprisingly close. Surprisingly, I think they kind
Speaker 2: of life tends to go to life, and they kind
Speaker 2: of are intrigued as much as we are. Believe me,
Speaker 2: you don't have to spend two and a half hours
Speaker 2: trapesing out hiking out into the deepest forest. You might
Speaker 2: just see what you want to see. You might just
Speaker 2: see structures. You might find dog men in your local wood.
Speaker 2: There's another entity which I can't explain that I saw
Speaker 2: it's in the same woods and this was back during
Speaker 2: I won't say it because the algorithm will kind of
Speaker 2: kick up, you know, but it was when we were
Speaker 2: on lockdown around twenty twenty, maybe a little later maybe
Speaker 2: uh maybe a little later than that, but so it
Speaker 2: just finished the lockdown. Had I knowed that much. And
Speaker 2: I was out enjoying the but I went to the
Speaker 2: wood again with the dogs and I was filming and
Speaker 2: I happened to see there was two to three deer
Speaker 2: and her white tails beautiful, absolutely lovely, and I just
Speaker 2: had the camera had was a camera phone, and I
Speaker 2: had the dogs with us, and these white tail were
Speaker 2: kind of just stopped as deer do, and I thought,
Speaker 2: before they go away, I'm going to get a few
Speaker 2: shots of them. They're beautiful, and I zoomed in and
Speaker 2: I got a couple of shots and it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: I got on one video as well, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, once again, my two fluffos, Ruby and
Speaker 2: Bats started getting really really agitated and they were circling
Speaker 2: me and I put there. I had their leads on.
Speaker 2: The reason I had their leads on at times because
Speaker 2: the deer were there. I did not want them running
Speaker 2: the deer, you know, So I had the leads on
Speaker 2: and they were basically tying up my tying up my legs.
Speaker 2: It would have been an absolute night if if they
Speaker 2: had something had happened and I tried to run for it,
Speaker 2: or had just been flat on my face. They were
Speaker 2: going around me that quick. They were very agitated. And
Speaker 2: when dogs go around you in the circle is to
Speaker 2: protect protection mode. They're protecting me, and I knew that,
Speaker 2: and I thought, right, okay, I untangled myself, untangled them
Speaker 2: to hook their lead off from their collars because I
Speaker 2: don't have like a neck collars on them. I have
Speaker 2: chest braces if you like. It as much better for
Speaker 2: dogs to stop some choking. So unhooked them and then
Speaker 2: untangled it and then hooked them back on, and then
Speaker 2: got back on the video no more, no more than
Speaker 2: thirty seconds later to get back to the of those deer,
Speaker 2: and I did. I focused in on then. I thought,
Speaker 2: with all the kerfuffle going on with the dogs and
Speaker 2: all the noise are making, those deer hadn't moved. And
Speaker 2: those deers are strangest part of them when you look
Speaker 2: at the video. They weren't looking at me. They weren't
Speaker 2: looking at the dogs. That deer are not predatory deer prey.
Speaker 2: Their eyes are either side of its head, that wear
Speaker 2: everything around them because they have to bolt. They have
Speaker 2: to go. That's their defense. They're quick, instantaneous speed, They're gone.
Speaker 2: They weren't even looking at the dogs making a kerfuffle.
Speaker 2: They weren't looking my way. What they were looking at
Speaker 2: as I looked over where previously there had been nothing,
Speaker 2: it was a golden shining Ah. It doesn't do it
Speaker 2: justice on film, but to me, it was sparkling. It
Speaker 2: was like almost a golden shield. But it was a figure.
Speaker 2: Now at the time, I would have said, being Christian,
Speaker 2: being religious as I am, I would have thought, oh,
Speaker 2: as an angel looks just like an angel. I was
Speaker 2: a fair distance from it. I zoomed in on the phone,
Speaker 2: and it was then that I saw that its face
Speaker 2: wasn't flat. It seemed to have a muzzle. It seemed
Speaker 2: to have the dog's face, but it couldn't. It was
Speaker 2: no nothing I'd ever ever seen in my life before.
Speaker 2: This thing was golden. It was shining, reflective in the sunlight.
Speaker 2: I had a point of perspective. Thank goodness I did.
Speaker 2: The point of perspective I had was there was a
Speaker 2: bush that was right by and there was a log
Speaker 2: in front of it. Previously, when I was taking recording
Speaker 2: of the deer, that log and that bush were there.
Speaker 2: Now I untangled them. I went back to looking at
Speaker 2: the deer. Hand over to what the deer were looking at,
Speaker 2: and they were looking at this golden entity, this golden
Speaker 2: dog and hybrid dog man. That's all I can put
Speaker 2: it down to being a hybrid dog man, simply because
Speaker 2: it looked like a dog man. I had the muzzle,
Speaker 2: but it was, as I say, shiny, I got out
Speaker 2: of there quick. I got out of there quick. On
Speaker 2: that one, I gathered up the dogs as said, come,
Speaker 2: we're going, and I went down at the opposite path
Speaker 2: and went straight for the car, went back to the parking,
Speaker 2: straight to the car in and GM there was no
Speaker 2: sound coming from it. And I got back home and
Speaker 2: I looked at the video and as you do, go
Speaker 2: through frame by frame by frame, and yes, it's at
Speaker 2: a distance. Yes, I was zoomed in. I was zoomed in,
Speaker 2: but you can make out the shape and you can
Speaker 2: make out previously in that video there was nothing there,
Speaker 2: and then when I pan up again thirty seconds later,
Speaker 2: this thing was there. What I didn't notice at that
Speaker 2: time was in the forest behind this golden dog man
Speaker 2: hybrid entity, there seemed to be a massive monster. There
Speaker 2: seemed to be a massive bigfoot coming out the forest
Speaker 2: towards this golden entity as hybrid dog man. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just it could be my interpretation, but
Speaker 2: it's up, it's there for everyone to see. That's my
Speaker 2: interpretation of it. High insight being there. I know you
Speaker 2: would have thought the same. You would have had a
Speaker 2: feeling that it's just not right, that's just not natural.
Speaker 2: That is something that is that that you don't get
Speaker 2: shining reflective surfaces like that standing up golden colored in nature.
Speaker 2: Not the sizest thing was so that I was one
Speaker 2: of the one of the Stranger Strangers document encounters I've
Speaker 2: ever had. Now there is there is a another old
Speaker 2: sighting that happened, and it's always intrigued me. This sighting
Speaker 2: so documented sighting that happened. You can read about it
Speaker 2: all on Google. It happened at Camberwell Cemetery and in
Speaker 2: October the ninth, nineteen ninety six, the man in question
Speaker 2: was twenty six at the time and was on his
Speaker 2: way to meet a friend who lived on Underhill Road
Speaker 2: in southeast London. In order to walk there, he had
Speaker 2: to make a long trek, heading southwest past Camberwell New
Speaker 2: Cemetery and then down the entire length of Brenchley Gardens
Speaker 2: and around Camberwell Old Cemetery. He decided to cut through
Speaker 2: the older part of the cemetery to save twenty minutes
Speaker 2: off walking time, even though it was already dark and
Speaker 2: the area of walking through the cemetery at night was
Speaker 2: freakishly scary, okay, he said. He normally rode his bicycle
Speaker 2: to his friend's house, but their plans for that evening
Speaker 2: precluded his usual means of transport. He didn't have a flashlight,
Speaker 2: and a cemetery had no lighting system, so he could
Speaker 2: see only a few feet ahead of him as he
Speaker 2: made his way across the grounds. He was well into
Speaker 2: the middle of the graveyard when the movement of something
Speaker 2: very large and dark caught his eye. I swear I
Speaker 2: saw what I thought was a dog, A big dog
Speaker 2: moved very quickly, he said. He stopped and squinted into
Speaker 2: the darkness, but decided that his mind was playing tricks
Speaker 2: on him and started off again. He didn't get very far.
Speaker 2: It was then flash My life changed forever. It was
Speaker 2: so quick, I never had a chance. I thought that
Speaker 2: somebody had literally run into me and knocked me over.
Speaker 2: Something had grabbed me by my arm very tightly and
Speaker 2: smashed me into the ground. It was big, it was powerful.
Speaker 2: It had extremely bad breath. It smelt cold and awful.
Speaker 2: This thing was now bearing down on me, he said,
Speaker 2: looking directly at my face, dribbling onto me and growling.
Speaker 2: But it was the creature's next action that truly frightened him.
Speaker 2: It began to eagerly sniff his body up and down,
Speaker 2: exactly as a dog would do. I was convinced I
Speaker 2: was going to be unlived, he said. I'm afraid to
Speaker 2: say that, as brave as I think I might be,
Speaker 2: I was not at this point. As shamefully I soiled myself.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for the bike, but that never happened.
Speaker 2: Just as quick as it started, it was over, and
Speaker 2: the beast was gone and sprinted off in a flash.
Speaker 2: It sprinted away on its hind legs only. So that
Speaker 2: is a famous case from Camberwell Cemetery that happened now.
Speaker 2: Camberwell Cemetery is quite famous for this. Whatever is there,
Speaker 2: the dog men entity that is there also terrified two
Speaker 2: pedestrians walking parallel to the cemetery on the hill road.
Speaker 2: One of the witnesses said, we heard a low grown
Speaker 2: then a large tree in the corner. The cemetery was
Speaker 2: shaking in credibly hard, as if something really powerful was
Speaker 2: shaking it of all its might. It was definitely not
Speaker 2: made by a person or an animal. The tree looked
Speaker 2: as if the roots were ready to be ripped out.
Speaker 2: My friend and I took to our heels and ran
Speaker 2: as fast as we could in different directions. We could
Speaker 2: not rationalize the sheer terrorb we both felt. We knew
Speaker 2: we had to get as far away from the cemetery
Speaker 2: as we possibly could. There is something very sinister there,
Speaker 2: she said. So I wanted to go there to have
Speaker 2: a little look and investigate. And the day that I chose,
Speaker 2: I was actually around that area would work And I
Speaker 2: said to work, look, do you mind if I stop
Speaker 2: off and in the afternoon have a little look. And
Speaker 2: they said, that's fine. You've done a job. You can
Speaker 2: do that as fine. So that's great, thanks, And it
Speaker 2: then started to rain. Anyway, I went in and the
Speaker 2: cemetery is in two halves, like the account tells, so
Speaker 2: it hasn't changed an awful lot since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: So you've got a new section of cemetery, which you
Speaker 2: can see quite quite obviously, is tended to and cared for.
Speaker 2: And then you've got an old part of the cemetery
Speaker 2: that isn't tended to, that is overgrown that a lot
Speaker 2: of the gravestones are lost, partially hidden, and it's heavy
Speaker 2: going going through this cemetery in Campbell and cemetery is
Speaker 2: heavy going in the old part of the cemetery so overgrown.
Speaker 2: So I was mooching around of my camera and having
Speaker 2: a little looks seeing what I could see, and I
Speaker 2: had a very strange incident that happened. The first thing
Speaker 2: that I found was underneath a willow. So this willow
Speaker 2: tree was quite mature and its branches were hanging down
Speaker 2: vey low. For some reason, I just had a compulsion
Speaker 2: on my own. I was strong compulsion to break through
Speaker 2: the branches to have a little look at the void
Speaker 2: underneath the tree, what was underneath. And I found a
Speaker 2: chair on his own, and the foot of the chair
Speaker 2: was an old broken into peace gravestand and it was
Speaker 2: almost like as if something was there and it had
Speaker 2: been contemplating this gravestand this broken, sharded piece stone there
Speaker 2: and it had a certain feel to it. I had
Speaker 2: that area underneath the tree just had that timeless feel,
Speaker 2: that feeling that I shouldn't really be I'm encroaching upon
Speaker 2: someone's space. And then moved on, and remember it was
Speaker 2: raining muddy. I went down a couple of paths that
Speaker 2: were very difficult to go down. Lucky enough, I had
Speaker 2: my camera on all the while, and as I did,
Speaker 2: I reached one section of this cemetery. It's old symmetry,
Speaker 2: forgotten semetry. Now I'm not crazy, okay when I tell
Speaker 2: you that I heard two things. The first thing that
Speaker 2: I heard was a growling and it was a low, deep,
Speaker 2: you could hear it in your chest before you heard
Speaker 2: it in your ears growl. It was a single tone,
Speaker 2: but it was heavy and loud. It. If I was
Speaker 2: to put the growl into words, it was stay away.
Speaker 2: That's the image I had from this ground. I then
Speaker 2: heard at the same time talking. That's something talking, chattering
Speaker 2: or conversation. I could not make out what it was.
Speaker 2: I got so excited. I was like, so because the
Speaker 2: camera was rolling, I had the camera rolling. I turned
Speaker 2: to the camera, as most video podcasters do, I said,
Speaker 2: did you hear that? Then I heard the voice. Now
Speaker 2: I've heard this voice before and it was familiar, and
Speaker 2: this voice was a low, robotic sounding voice, and a
Speaker 2: voice told me to go beware leave. Now I was like,
Speaker 2: I turned to the did you hear that? I knew
Speaker 2: in my heart hearts no one would have heard the voice.
Speaker 2: And this is where it gets a bit crazy. I've
Speaker 2: heard this voice before. I've spoken about this before. I
Speaker 2: believe that this voice is a dog man. I believe
Speaker 2: that this voice is coming from all the way back
Speaker 2: to my first instance of seeing what you would call werewolf,
Speaker 2: and I think it opened the door as this entity
Speaker 2: that we see in forests and in woods invariably does.
Speaker 2: I challenge anyone to say that after they've had a
Speaker 2: sighting of dog men that other stuff doesn't happen to them,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure it does. Every single man woman out
Speaker 2: there that has come close or seen a dog man
Speaker 2: entity has had other stuff happen to them, whether it
Speaker 2: be powormal, whether it be of cryptids, whether it be
Speaker 2: something unexplainable. That sign I think you've had would have
Speaker 2: opened up your spectrum, your understanding of another world. I've
Speaker 2: heard this voice before on quite a few occasions. I
Speaker 2: would say, I'm now fifty nine, I'll be sixty this year,
Speaker 2: and I can say, honestly, I've heard it probably five
Speaker 2: or six times in my life. That's not a lot,
Speaker 2: that's not a lot of times. But every time it's
Speaker 2: always helped me. Every time, it's always warm me. Why
Speaker 2: do I think it stems or comes from a dog
Speaker 2: man entity? Wow? I always have had dog men or
Speaker 2: affiliated with dog men places or dog men's sightings I've
Speaker 2: had when I've heard the voice or have been as
Speaker 2: in this case in Camprawell Cemetery, and I had that voice,
Speaker 2: had the ground, and I had that voice. When I
Speaker 2: got home, I could sense at the time, I could
Speaker 2: sense that there was something off on the area I
Speaker 2: was in. I got back home and I looked eagerly
Speaker 2: at the video footage. That warning I got to beware
Speaker 2: was for a reason because on the footage you can
Speaker 2: see beyond the gravestone, this big quadrupedal the hound. It
Speaker 2: came out from behind a cemetery stone gravestone, and it
Speaker 2: morphed out on camera. It morphed out where you almost
Speaker 2: like Predator STYLI, where you can start to see the
Speaker 2: foliage coming through the body of this hound, and it
Speaker 2: just disappeared, morphed out, and I think the voice was
Speaker 2: warning me of that. At the same time on film,
Speaker 2: there was these three orbs, white orbs that came across
Speaker 2: the camera. I can't account for them. They're not birds.
Speaker 2: Now I was running at that time. It was I
Speaker 2: think it was somewhere in the region of about thirty
Speaker 2: five frames per second, No, fifty frames per second, beg
Speaker 2: your pardon. I was running fifty frames per second on
Speaker 2: that film. So I was able to take that frame
Speaker 2: by frame by frame, and there were the way these
Speaker 2: orbs jumped in the frame. They were only on screen
Speaker 2: for two frames, that's how quick they were going. And
Speaker 2: the frame rate was fifty frames per second. It's just nothing.
Speaker 2: No burd can go that quickly. And there was free
Speaker 2: these orbs, all going in the same direction, all coming
Speaker 2: from this hound, almost like there is a portal there.
Speaker 2: And now I'm going to sound crazy. I believe portals exist,
Speaker 2: and I believe a lot of the entities we've seen
Speaker 2: come through these portals. I believe that we often see
Speaker 2: portals but don't recognize them as being portals. We may
Speaker 2: see them as almost They look to most people almost
Speaker 2: like you know, when you look down the road and
Speaker 2: it's hot and you've got a shimmer coming off the road.
Speaker 2: You'll see a shimmer in a certain spot in a
Speaker 2: wood or forest. A lot of times it will always
Speaker 2: Why is it always in a wood or forest Because
Speaker 2: it's a high carbon content area, it's an energetic area.
Speaker 2: It's a naturally energetic area. That's the reason why portals
Speaker 2: exist and materialize in these areas. So, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: That was some of the dog band sightings that I had.
Speaker 2: Now I did mention in the last show. I was
Speaker 2: going to mention about when I was twelve years old
Speaker 2: and I had quite a it was quite a traumatic
Speaker 2: dog band sighting for me. So I had an imaginary friend. Okay,
Speaker 2: my imaginary friend's name was called Danny, and I had
Speaker 2: it for many, many years, and even when I got older,
Speaker 2: I still kind of used to talk to my imaginary friend.
Speaker 2: Danny would mostly talk in the evening. You know, growing up,
Speaker 2: I never really noticed him or even brought him into
Speaker 2: any games during the day. I was busy enough for
Speaker 2: me during the day, but in the evening he would
Speaker 2: be there as sure as the son would go down.
Speaker 2: It was myself that would notice him. No one else,
Speaker 2: not Dad, Mum, my sister. She would have been most
Speaker 2: aware of Danny. My sister was six years older than me.
Speaker 2: I can remember her question questioning mother growing up about
Speaker 2: my conversations were bought. She must have thought was a
Speaker 2: barmie brother. I'd be sitting on the edge of my
Speaker 2: bed in full on conversation and Dan he was there.
Speaker 2: Danny was talking, laughing back at me on seeing the
Speaker 2: jabberin and laughing. My sister approached my mother one day, Mum,
Speaker 2: is my brother, Okay, he's doing that, talking to himself
Speaker 2: and laughing. Crap again. Mum always replied, it's a phase
Speaker 2: he's going through. Hugging her, she said, I remember you
Speaker 2: playing with dolls. This held no sway with my sister, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: but they were something Mum. She pulled away from Mum's house.
Speaker 2: Not thinn Air. Damn, it's just creepy. You don't have
Speaker 2: to share a room with him, Mum. Because I used
Speaker 2: to share a room with my I can remember my
Speaker 2: sister saying that we lived right by a dual carriageway
Speaker 2: or highway, and back in the seventies there used to
Speaker 2: be lead in the fuel and there used to be
Speaker 2: particles on mums washing on the washing line, little black,
Speaker 2: tiny little particles from the fuel from the main road.
Speaker 2: So Mum was always worried about because I had the
Speaker 2: bonchaitis as a kid and stuff, so she was always
Speaker 2: worried about me having the windows open summertime because I
Speaker 2: had the front bedroom looking out on the dual carriageway
Speaker 2: or highway, so I'd be kind of put into the
Speaker 2: my sister's room, but she had the biggest bedroom because
Speaker 2: she was oldest, and I had a set put bed
Speaker 2: on the other side of her bedroom, which gave her
Speaker 2: great joy. She was very pleased every summer about that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what used to happen. Now. I can remember Danny,
Speaker 2: my imaginary friend. I can remember him being not rude
Speaker 2: or nasty, but mischievous. I would suggest a game like
Speaker 2: hide and seek, and he would take take that to
Speaker 2: another level, suggesting that a hide in the spot that
Speaker 2: I would never have chosen, for instance, Dad's garage, at night.
Speaker 2: One of the scariest places for me was Dad's garage,
Speaker 2: bastion of peace. Dad would say. Halfway down the garden,
Speaker 2: old wooden with black paneling, two opening doors that were
Speaker 2: full of splinters and dragged on the floor when you
Speaker 2: tried to open them. The inside was equally scary. And
Speaker 2: Dad's garage it was a treasure trove of tools and
Speaker 2: jam jars, full of nails and screws and bits of things.
Speaker 2: I had no idea what they were or did. But
Speaker 2: in the vaulted ceiling was wooden straps and either side
Speaker 2: resting on these or hanging off screws, saws swinging gently
Speaker 2: up points of garden tools. All looked menacing and threatening
Speaker 2: any that entered his garage at the best of times.
Speaker 2: But light Danny suggested this would be the best place
Speaker 2: to hide. I would never be found there, found here,
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I remember. My imagination, as you
Speaker 2: can gather, was pretty pretty good. I opened the door.
Speaker 2: It was dark, but the right hand side, on the
Speaker 2: wooden post in the garage, I knew there was a
Speaker 2: light switch, and I flicked it on. There was a
Speaker 2: single bay bulb that was hanging down and in my head.
Speaker 2: I was kind of like counting down fifty forty eight
Speaker 2: forty seven. The light in the garage never fully or
Speaker 2: wholly lit up the whole of the garage. I was
Speaker 2: pockets of shadow in the corner that seemed to steal
Speaker 2: more light as the darkness crawled towards me. Really, every
Speaker 2: time I looked at the corners they seemed to get
Speaker 2: darker and darker. Still, I counted forty thirty nine thirty seven.
Speaker 2: The only window in here was a three foot square
Speaker 2: with enough putty holding it into the frame to sink
Speaker 2: a battleship. The place was a mishmash of thrown out
Speaker 2: reclaimed materials. Really, on the whole, the light was situated
Speaker 2: by the small window which looked out onto the rear garden,
Speaker 2: the lawn park, which had Mum's greenhouse on one side,
Speaker 2: sitting on slabs which always smelled of tomatoes and geraniums.
Speaker 2: A lovely small cherry tree I planted actually with white
Speaker 2: blossoms was on the right hand side, and then on
Speaker 2: left was my climbing frame, and that was one of
Speaker 2: my great joys. My climbing frame. Spent hours on it,
Speaker 2: absolute hours. So that was me in the garage. It
Speaker 2: was dark. I had a light on, shadows in the corner,
Speaker 2: playing hide and seek with an imaginary friend Crazier twenty two,
Speaker 2: twenty one twenty I bobbed down and went to the
Speaker 2: light switch keeping glow and turned it off, then returned.
Speaker 2: I turned the light off because I heard I actually
Speaker 2: heard running. Now, I wasn't that crazy as kid to
Speaker 2: know that my imaginary friend was an imaginary friend. I
Speaker 2: heard running around the garage. Now, my sister was six
Speaker 2: years older than me. My sister was inside. I think
Speaker 2: my sister had actually gone out if I remember rightly.
Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't my sister I heard running going round the garage.
Speaker 2: The reason I turned the garage light out was because
Speaker 2: I was lit up inside. And one of the scariest
Speaker 2: things that can happen is at night when you're trying
Speaker 2: to look out of a window and all you can
Speaker 2: see is your own reflection, and in the head you
Speaker 2: think to yourself, everyone can see me, but I can't
Speaker 2: see out. I then.
Speaker 1: I heard.
Speaker 2: A tapping on the window, and that tapping turned to
Speaker 2: a scratch. That nail was on the blackboard. Once again,
Speaker 2: these things want the attention. They want witnessing because what
Speaker 2: I saw was on top of my climbing frame. There
Speaker 2: was a big climbing frame in the garden. Standing on
Speaker 2: top was a dog man red eyes not yellow, these
Speaker 2: were red, and it was actually looking at me. I
Speaker 2: could see it quite clearly because there was a moon
Speaker 2: and it was looking towards the window. And I heard
Speaker 2: that voice again say get out, philm deep robotic voice,
Speaker 2: and I left. I got out, I got out quick.
Speaker 2: It was free to one out gone and Mum. When
Speaker 2: I got in, Mum said, you're okay, you know what?
Speaker 2: What's what? What? What? What's taking the jam out of
Speaker 2: your donut? And I was like, Mom, there's there's something
Speaker 2: on the where's Dad? It's apposed behind in a bit,
Speaker 2: it's something in the garden. There's something on the climbing frame.
Speaker 2: I tried to explain to her, and she said, look,
Speaker 2: just calm down there, so calm. When your father gets in,
Speaker 2: I'll get him to go down and have a look.
Speaker 2: Dad never took me seriously at all. He went down
Speaker 2: the garden, but he didn't expect to find anything at all.
Speaker 2: And that was the end of Danny. I never again
Speaker 2: saw Denny or hurt him, and in a way, for me,
Speaker 2: it was quite sad. But I think every you know,
Speaker 2: kid that has an imaginary friend, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: it fades. But then he came to a full stop
Speaker 2: the day I saw that document on top of the
Speaker 2: climbing frame. Yeah, it was. It was. That was a
Speaker 2: definitely a defining moment in my life as well. It
Speaker 2: was just it was when they look at you, that's
Speaker 2: when it drills home, because you know, they recognize you.
Speaker 2: M hm. And that is one of the scariest feelings.
Speaker 2: Something which should not exist, could not exist, but it does.
Speaker 2: It does exist. When that thing looks at you, it's
Speaker 2: it's just and at twelve years old, it never it
Speaker 2: never left me. Yeah, that's that's scary. That was scary.
Speaker 2: That was very that that stayed with me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what was running around the garage.
Speaker 2: I guess it was this dogmententity somehow, though, do you
Speaker 2: know what, in a way I wish it was I
Speaker 2: wish it could have been Danny warning me. In a way,
Speaker 2: it would be nice to know if the imagination became real.
Speaker 2: But what eye witnessed was definitely real. It was definitely real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But yeah, people honestly don't don't ah, if you if
Speaker 2: you do ever hear a voice and it's a deep,
Speaker 2: robotic voice coming from these things, take heed of it.
Speaker 2: You know. Wherever this voice is coming from. I think
Speaker 2: it's coming from a guardian. I think mine's from a
Speaker 2: dog man. I think it's a guardian. I think it's
Speaker 2: something which is there protection. It seems be on the
Speaker 2: right track, it seems to be timing. It's it's cautionary advice.
Speaker 2: Really pretty well, it's really I mean, it's spot on
Speaker 2: because every time it has warn me, I've taken heed
Speaker 2: of it and it's worked. There's been times in the
Speaker 2: past where I nearly was unlive myself by something that
Speaker 2: happened in my house. It wasn't exactly an accident, but
Speaker 2: I was cautioned by that voice. Again. Yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 1: Vick, Well, what I'm wondering is have you ever told
Speaker 1: anyone about that experience who question the veracity of the
Speaker 1: actual dog mean encounter because you had been interacting with
Speaker 1: your imagine your friend Danny.
Speaker 2: Yes, they have. There have been people that have said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a fertile imagination. Obviously, I did
Speaker 2: have a very good imagination. But what made what made
Speaker 2: what made it different to me is you get children
Speaker 2: can create, and I created a scenario that was scary
Speaker 2: on purpose for myself. I know that I went into
Speaker 2: a place which I shouldn't be in my dad's garage
Speaker 2: because it was one of the in the confines of
Speaker 2: my house. It was one of the don't go places.
Speaker 2: It was one of the scariest places. I guess I
Speaker 2: was bored to honest VIC and I guess going in
Speaker 2: there in a way, Walt Disney knew that. You know,
Speaker 2: people and children especially like to be scared. It brings
Speaker 2: an emotion out in people. I know what I probably
Speaker 2: in retrospect what I went in there for to scare
Speaker 2: myself to get response. But when I turned the light
Speaker 2: off after I heard this running around the garage, it
Speaker 2: was I turned the light off regardless of how scary
Speaker 2: it is inside the garage, because if it was my
Speaker 2: imaginary friend, then my imaginary friend had taken form and
Speaker 2: was running with footsteps heard of the garage, which that
Speaker 2: in itself, if it's a toper a thought form, that
Speaker 2: in itself, that physically running around. That's what made me
Speaker 2: turn the light out in the garage, because it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I would not have made an already scary
Speaker 2: place scarier by having no light at all. But there
Speaker 2: was something outside running, and I think because I had
Speaker 2: that response it looking back, yes, I think I gave
Speaker 2: it a bit more for me. I was there, I
Speaker 2: felt it, I knew and I kind of that's one thing.
Speaker 2: I just knew that there was something there running. I
Speaker 2: heard it really quick as well. That's Gary, which wasn't small.
Speaker 2: It was a standalone garage halfway down the garden, and
Speaker 2: the garden was all the way around it. If you
Speaker 2: like the front doors. The front doors opened up. There
Speaker 2: were real old knacker doors that were really tired, the
Speaker 2: splintered black, splintered wood but never got changed. And then
Speaker 2: there was a little tiny driveway leading out to two
Speaker 2: gates which led out onto the road. So if you like,
Speaker 2: the fence of the garden ran all the way down
Speaker 2: on the left hand side, if you like, all the
Speaker 2: way down the garden, and then we had a another
Speaker 2: fence the other side, and then the garden of the neighbors.
Speaker 2: Could it be in a neighbor, No, No, because they
Speaker 2: were they were kind of their son at that time
Speaker 2: was in the army. He had gone off to join
Speaker 2: the army, and his parents they were kind of what's
Speaker 2: the best word for they were both they were both
Speaker 2: physically not capable that way up running. So yeah, turning
Speaker 2: off the light of the garage, I kind of instantly
Speaker 2: did that because there was just something there. I heard that.
Speaker 1: Big I would have turned the light off. Also, I
Speaker 1: don't blame you, and it sure would have been convenient
Speaker 1: if it would have just been your imagination, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Well, I'll tell you what, Phil, We are
Speaker 1: out of time, but I've got a ton of questions
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about all these experiences you've
Speaker 1: shared with this. Would you be open to coming back
Speaker 1: to do in A Q and A.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, I'd love to do it. But
Speaker 2: I'd love to once any any any of them.
Speaker 1: Oh great, Well, you know I'd love to have you back.
Speaker 1: So that's what we'll do. I'll get with you to
Speaker 1: schedule it and we'll take it from there. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, thanks again so much for coming back on
Speaker 1: you know, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Fi. It's great being on your show.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate you having me on. Thank you, oh
Speaker 2: you know you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Thanks again so much and have a great night.