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Dogmannencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Tonight's guest was featured

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on episode six forty four and six forty six. Now

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one episode six forty four, he came on and told

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us about a werewolf encounter he had when he was

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eight years old staying at his aunt's house. But on

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six forty four nor six forty six did he tell

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us about his dog meanning counters. Well, that's what he

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has come back to do tonight, to tell us about

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those dog mean experiences. But having said that, Tonight's guest

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is Phil cotton Ball. Phil, thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, no, boys, thanks very much for having us. I

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appreciate you. But having us back on it's great bandback

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head to be honest with, really is you know, as

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a great channel, and you know it's you give people

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a platform and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. Thanks for the good words too, But

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now I've just been looking forward to having you back on,

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and I know I'm not the only one so like

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I said, thanks again so much. Now having said that, Phil,

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You've got a lot of dog me and experiences to

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share tonight. The listeners have been clamoring to hear about

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these dog men experiences you've had. But before we get

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to that, I've got a question for you. I like

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to walk in the woods. This morning, I went for

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a nice long walk again in the woods, and I'm

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wondering over here the tics are so bad this year.

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What I'm dying to know is, I know ticks are

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horrible obviously in the States here, they're horrible in Canada.

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How are they over there? Are they atrocious over there

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as well?

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Speaker 2: Not for me personally, no, because going by you know

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what the other half, the missus said that I've got

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acid for blood. No, what tends to get me is

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the mozzies. The mosquitoes tend to get me. You know.

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I've got bites on my legs because you know, it's

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hot weather, which has been over here in the UK.

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We've had like a mini heat wave and it's gone

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up to like thirty two thirty three and really yeah,

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so I've been going out to shorts, you know, because

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it kind of like I just I thought, well, you know,

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it's so hot, and I went to Thetford Forest boy,

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because it's also quite there's parts of it really got

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a lot of ponds and it's quite boggy and stuff

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like that. And yeah, it's the mozzies that got me

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to be honest with you. But yeah, we do get ticks.

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Yeah we do get ticks. But with those, you go,

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I'm always careful with the dogs most of all. If

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I take the dogs out, you know, I always make

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sure that I get a tick comb and make sure

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they also have their one, you know, their neck you

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put that drop on, you know, I always make sure

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they have that up to date as well. But as

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for myself, now, I just get absolutely obliterated by mozzies.

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I'll tell you what I find is good for that

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is do you get these patches. And these patches you

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put onto your clothing and they seem to put one

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on your trousers or your skirt or shorts as I

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wear a lot of times, and one on your t

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shirt and it kind of like it permeates the air

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around you and keeps a lot of the mozzies behind.

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But to still get food out barrier and just like yeah,

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just nibble away. And get me. But yeah, I know

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it ticks. It's been really bad over there, then.

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Speaker 1: Oh, horrendous. Every place I've checked on has been horrible.

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I mean, no matter what the state, it's just been

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a really really bad year for him. I don't like

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mosquitoes either, but I'll definitely take mosquito bites any day

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over these guys. Then again, mosquitoes there's no risk of

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them giving alpha gal or lime disease or anything like that.

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Of course you can get some nasty things from mosquitoes.

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But yeah, the tixes here are just horrible. They really are.

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So they might be awful over here. I'm just glad

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to hear that at least you guys don't have to

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deal with this.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not for me personally, No, I mean we

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have we have them, but yeah, for me personally, Like

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I say, I think, you know, it's mostly the mozziest

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I have trouble with either here, and I'm never getting

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bit by a spider once over here. And funny enough,

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it was just before I went over to the States,

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because I was flying over and I was over here

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and I was in Norfolk, and we broke down in

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a work van and I had my arm out the windows.

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I had my arm out the window and I was

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like waiting for the recovery to come. And I felt

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something sharp on my finger and my little finger and

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didn't think anything of it. And I thought something. It

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was something sharp, maybe a fawn or something. I don't know. Anyway,

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it got to the States by the time I got

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over to the States we're in about a day or two.

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Boy did it blow up my little finger. Honestly, it

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looked like a club foot it was. It was. It

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was massive. Wow, absolutely yeah. And I went to the

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local hospital over there and where I was, and I

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said it was a spider by and I was like, wow,

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it must have been in the UK. So yeah, it

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was a real particularly nasty spider. But we do have

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black widows over here, or what they call they're like

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cloned black widows. You know, they're not the actual black widows,

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but they're like that. But I believe they buy it

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as well. And half spiders as well, halves spiders. I've

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known a harvest spider by a guy that I know.

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He's passed away now, but and he told me that

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one was on his shoulder. He went to flick it

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off and it hissed him. I was like, you're kidding.

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He said't seriously, uh huh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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He went to flick it off right and it hissed

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at him. I was like, you're kidding, he said no, no, no,

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no no. I was like, God, how big was that?

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It's a farewell size because half the spiders come into

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your house when they're you know, they're combine harvesters are

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taken down there. It's awesome time taking down all the

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harvests and they all start running away and like heading

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in for the nearest domicile where they can get protection.

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And yeah, and it was on his shoulder and just

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like I was like, wow, seriously, that's crazy in it. So, yeah,

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it's a strange world out there, Vick.

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Speaker 1: And it gets stranger every day. That's a fact. If

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get down to brass texts. Phil Please take your time

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and tell us all about your dogman encounters. Now give

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us ever last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, boys, thank you. There's a certain thing called

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scope a cpia scope Youcpia basically means it's when you

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can feel someone looking at you. Now in the forces,

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just say, for instance, that you're in the junk and

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you wanted to ambush your enemy and the enemy was

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walking past you along a path and you were hiding

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all camouflaged up, and you were hiding in the jungles

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and you were just feet away from them. You were

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trained in the Army and in the services not to

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look at them as they pass you. You're trained to

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look down at the ground because if you were to

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look at them, even though they don't know you're there,

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it's at that point that they will know through scope

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supia that you are looking at them and they will turn.

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It's that knowing that you're being watched. It's part of

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our six sense. Can I say that it's part of

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our supernatural abilities that we've kind of got still, it's

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something that can't easily be quantified, but it's something which

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we have, and a lot of people which witness dog

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men find this and they testify to this where they've

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been out in woods, they've been out in the forests

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and they feel eyes on them. I felt that I've

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had that, and I had it most strongly. I was

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in a wood and it was during the day. It

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was a lovely day. I can't say that it was mysterious.

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I can't say it was foggy. I can't say it

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was nighttime. I can't put any connotations of it being scary.

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It was a beautiful walk with dogs, both Ruby and

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Basil Jack Russell terriers, and we were having a lovely

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afternoon walking along a path. We came up to a

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tree and this tree was across the path. Now, I've

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walked this path quite a few times, and the last

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time I walked the path was at that point. It

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was Sunday. This was twenty twenty three, and I used

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to do that every Sunday, a long spark because it

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used to go around the perimeter of this wood. It

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was great. It's fantastic well, great for the dogs, and

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especially good because there was a couple of spots on

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the way that I could stop and make myself a brew,

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so I'd stop. I'd have a burnard with mere little

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guest cartridge tank I've made myself cup of tea. Dogs

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would have a biscuit, just have a little rest halfway through.

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So it was great for that nice and quiet. I

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didn't have to drive miles and miles miles to get

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to it, so it's great. This one sunday, walking down

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his path, there was a big tree. I would say

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it was a round about. The diameter of the trunk

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itself was a roundabout a foot, if not a foot

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and a half. It was a big tree, too big

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for me to just easily walk over, because of course

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it had branches that it was a healthy tree ad

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branches coming out of it, which made it even more

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difficult to get by. To the side of me were brambles,

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and to the other side, once again more brambles, tawny

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BlackBerry bushes. And I thought, okay, right, what was the

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best best way I can get through this is to

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grab hold of each dog at a time and get

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them over the tree over the other side. At that

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point of trying to bend down to get the dogs, right,

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it's like trying to pick up a spaghetti with a

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wooden spoon. My dogs were going in circles. I looked

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back and I could see why they were going in circles,

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and I had that feeling instantaneously that was being washed.

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Then I saw two figures, not one, but two, and

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they were quite thin. Their legs were I saw their

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legs and they were digit grade. They were dog shaped

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like a hook to them. That's the first thing I noticed.

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they were going across the path about one hundred and

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fifty yards behind me, just running from one side of

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the path to the other side into the forest and

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back out again and then back across. My dog's Bazil

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in particular, was just going crazy with it. What I

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did do is I hooked them on quick And the

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funniest part was Basil and Ruby they were quite happy

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to be hooked up on the lead. They didn't venture

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any further down the path towards these dog men. I

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can't call them anything else because I know them to

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be dog men, and they were young. I had the

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feeling that they were young. I didn't see the eyes.

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I did see the muzzles, and they were long muzzles.

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Their body structure was thin. They weren't heavy set. They

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were almost like lamaciated versions of dog men. Over here,

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we've had instances of what they call wood boogers, and

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wood burgogers are they're a type of forest dwelling creature

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which is typically very thin, very quick, very agile, and

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they go back way back into history in the UK.

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These weren't wood boogers because wood boogers have more of

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a flat human like face. These didn't. These had muzzles,

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both of them. But as the movement they had quick

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they moved their legs almost like they were taking five

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foot strides at a time. The legs were you know,

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sometimes I'd tell you what it looked like to me.

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lost a limb, and they and you see them running

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in the Paralympics, and they've got those springy, springy running

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shoes on, if you like, boards attached to their attached

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to their legs, it was almost like seeing those The

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bounce they had and the stride they had, it was

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phenomenal to see. But I felt with that, I felt

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I needed to get the dogs away. Now. In the

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they won't harm people because they want to, because it's

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in their nature too, and I stand by that. But

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they are instinctual. They do act on instinct, and they

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don't particularly like dogs. They really don't like cats, that's

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taken as a given. But they will talkture a cat,

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but they don't like dogs at all. So it was imperative.

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And my thing at that time was to get the

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dogs out and get the dogs to safety. My dogs.

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So the only the only way I could do it

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because I had two of them, and it was just

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too broad a tree to try, and and I didn't

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really want to put my back to these creatures. There

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was zigzagging across the path because if they can move

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that quickly, if I turned my back, in my mind,

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I thought they'd be on top of me in low

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time at all. I wanted to keep my eyes on them.

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I didn't want to turn my back to them. So

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I picked up Basil and I went through the brush.

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I went through the BlackBerry fawns. I just strode through

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them and just sucked it up. Yeah you know what

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I mean. I just sucked up the fawns and went

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through and then I got Basil on the other side.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: Then went leaned back, got hold of Ruby, picked her

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up while still holding the lead on Basil, and done

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the same. So I was I was straddling the bushes,

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and then we made our very sharp exit. But the

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dogs all the while were just trying to circle me.

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My dogs, but they didn't want to go back down

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that path. They didn't look, they didn't pull to go

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back down that path. If anything, they pulled in the

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opposite direction. They didn't want to go back down. These

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dog men. To say they were quick as an absolute

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understatement to see them bounding across the path, but the

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movement they had was astonishing, and they would crisscross like

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an a zig zag, which was most strange. If anyone's

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had moments in the woods where they thought they'd been seen,

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had eyes on them, they will know they will recognize

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that feeling. And that was the feeling I had as

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we came up to that fallen tree. I don't think

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that tree was down by accident. I think that tree

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was down with intention. My advice if you do come

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across a tree that is in your way along a path,

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especially a path trodden by people, path that you know,

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then keep an eye on your back, keep an eye

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behind you, keep an eye to your side, especially if

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you've got dogs with me, because it could very well

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be intentional. And I don't think it's for you. I

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don't think I don't think it was for me particularly,

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but I do think that instinctually it's yeah, for the dogs.

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I think that's what that that occasion was for. Yeah,

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that was quite That was quite a scary scary time

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because when you're out and it's just yourself and two

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dogs that you love, you know, they're like my children.

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I just want to get them to safety, you know.

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That's the fighting part that you know, because you just

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have got these things which you know will do whatever

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you know to your dogs. You just don't know, and

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it's just to get them to safety. So, yeah, that

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was a very scary, scary, scary episode that I had.

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In the same word, if I could just mention this

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other other time, I had a black old shook or

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black shook. Now, if you've been out in the woods,

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I know I've heard many people talk talk about this

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where they've been out and they've had a silence, and

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that silence is it's almost like walking into a bubble.

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Of silence, where the whole forest goes just the fly quiet,

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and it raises that hackles. It's odd the oddest thing

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now in this wood, same wood, but I was over

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the other so a big wood. I was over the

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other side. It's in Essex in the UK. It's quite

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well known locally this place. I'm not going to give

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the name out of it. The name of it out

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untell you why because you find a lot of people

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that are their intention is less than honorable, and a

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lot of them. It's a beautiful wood. It's hasn't got

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things which are even though it's close by to a town,

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it hasn't got the their that goes part and parcel

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with a lot of woods that are close to towns,

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like beer cans and food wrappers and people scrawling on

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trees and just rubbish everywhere and stuff like that. Is

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quite untouched. It's like almost like I've forgotten with this place.

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It's very lovely. In the UK, there's a long history

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of what we call the black Dog or black shook.

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Other names for it are old scarf, old rugman, old shep.

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The hateful thing shop comes from the Anglo Saxon scooker,

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meaning devil, and even in its appearance in a it

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lives up to its name. Some people call it pad

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foot and it's a harbinger of Some people that have

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witnessed it mentioned say that it brings bad luck. It's

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an omen of that was the best way of saying it.

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It's an omen of fatality without saying the D word.

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Other people say it's a warning. It's often seen in

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burial mounds, is often seen in cemeteries. It's typically the

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size of a small horse, full grown horse, but a

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small horse. It's it's very sizable for a hound, typically

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red eyes, typically quadrupedal only. There's been instances in the

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UK of it, very famous instances in Bliveboro in a

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church during a thunderstorm, rushing down and unliving a lot

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of parishioners in fifteen thirty seven, I believe are probably

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wrong now, but it's fifteen thirty seven or thirty three,

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and also the same night of a thunderstorm, it traveled

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many miles to another church in Bungi in Suffolk and

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did the same thing, and craw marks can still be

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seen to this very day. To what has that got

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to do with my account? Well, I was walking once

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again with Booby and Basil. We were out and all

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of a sudden that just went quiet. And the strangest

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part of it was, it's close to a town. There

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is traffic noise. It's not out miles and miles and

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miles where I had to walk two and a half

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miles to get out, in the middle of the wilderness

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where there's nothing at all. There is background noise. Close

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by is a road, a busy road, so it's not

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without sound. There's always that background hum of the traffic.

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There was a town with after all, we stepped in

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and I mean stepped into a bubble of silence. Traffic

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noise ceased instantly. Ruby Basil stopped. Luckily on both all

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of these accounts, I'm telling you I caught on video.

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I then looked across to see what the dogs were

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intently looking at, and they were looking into the forest

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or the woodside. They were looking deep into the wood.

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I couldn't see anything at first. It was the afternoon,

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it was bright, it wasn't foggy, it was clear, and

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then I saw it sitting behind partially partially exposed, behind

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the tree. There was this large black hound pointy Alsatian

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type is but it wasn't no alsatian. It was the

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deepest black, partially obscured by this tree where it was looking.

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It was watching silent and still, and it was just

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my dogs, myself and this shock just watching each other

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in this silence. It didn't move, We didn't move. And

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then all of a sudden, I looked down and I

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said to Ruby, come on, because she was whimpering, come on,

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we've gotta go, Come and go. Let's go. The moment

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I looked up again, the truck was gone and the

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sound was back. I looked over at the tree where

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it was hit gun. At that instant, as soon as

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we look back that that sound, just the hum of

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the traffic in a distance came back. Everything came alive.

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I think that a lot of times when people have

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these instances when they walk into a bubble, I think

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it's of silence. It's something that is created, and I

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think it's it's there for no other reason. I think

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then it's a byproduct of these creatures, and I think

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so many people experience it. And it's one hundred percent true, absolutely,

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one hundred percent true. These woods have a long history.

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They're also woods which I won't be too specific, but

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I think people get the general idea if I tell

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you that although they're beautiful woods, although they're they're they're

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they're they're very close to a town in Essex, there

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are also woods with a darker history to them where

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people have gone and they've passed away, if you know

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what I mean, they've gone and who no fault of

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anyone else, these people have passed over in those woods.

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I think you can guess what I mean. But they're

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well known for that happening, not frequently, but enough enough,

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and it's happened in relatively recent within the last ten

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years as the last one. But it's something which has

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happened which is an oddity. Not quite sure why, but

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whether that has any bearing on what happens then what

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I've witnessed there. Maybe there's also been a lot of sigels,

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which are sometimes when you're out of the woods, you

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will see a like I look for structures. I've spoken

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about this before, tep structures and x'es and y's in

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the forest. Sometimes you also get in the forest signs,

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you will get what I called siguals. Sometimes with black

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magic witchcraft. Sometimes they piecemeal together sticks and they will

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make them into a form of pattern. Sometimes the patterns

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will depict a human figure. Sometimes the patterns will form

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a pentagram type, and you often find that in these woods.

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So I go to the place simply because it's near

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and it is very beautiful, and I find it extremely relaxed.

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It's a nice place. It's nearby. I don't have to

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worry about driving very far. The dogs enjoy it. It's

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got ponds, it's got a place to stop and b coppa,

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so it suits. But I'm I'm still aware. And when

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people say you have to travel traveled two and a

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half hours into densest forest, do you know you don't

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have to. It's surprising, it's I'm not saying this to

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worry people, but do you know even your local woods

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dog men are surprisingly close. Surprisingly, I think they kind

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of life tends to go to life, and they kind

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of are intrigued as much as we are. Believe me,

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you don't have to spend two and a half hours

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trapesing out hiking out into the deepest forest. You might

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just see what you want to see. You might just

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see structures. You might find dog men in your local wood.

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There's another entity which I can't explain that I saw

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it's in the same woods and this was back during

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I won't say it because the algorithm will kind of

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kick up, you know, but it was when we were

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on lockdown around twenty twenty, maybe a little later maybe

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uh maybe a little later than that, but so it

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just finished the lockdown. Had I knowed that much. And

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I was out enjoying the but I went to the

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wood again with the dogs and I was filming and

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I happened to see there was two to three deer

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and her white tails beautiful, absolutely lovely, and I just

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had the camera had was a camera phone, and I

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had the dogs with us, and these white tail were

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kind of just stopped as deer do, and I thought,

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before they go away, I'm going to get a few

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shots of them. They're beautiful, and I zoomed in and

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I got a couple of shots and it was brilliant.

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I got on one video as well, and then all

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of a sudden, once again, my two fluffos, Ruby and

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Bats started getting really really agitated and they were circling

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me and I put there. I had their leads on.

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The reason I had their leads on at times because

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the deer were there. I did not want them running

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the deer, you know, So I had the leads on

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and they were basically tying up my tying up my legs.

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It would have been an absolute night if if they

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had something had happened and I tried to run for it,

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or had just been flat on my face. They were

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going around me that quick. They were very agitated. And

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when dogs go around you in the circle is to

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protect protection mode. They're protecting me, and I knew that,

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and I thought, right, okay, I untangled myself, untangled them

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to hook their lead off from their collars because I

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don't have like a neck collars on them. I have

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chest braces if you like. It as much better for

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dogs to stop some choking. So unhooked them and then

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untangled it and then hooked them back on, and then

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got back on the video no more, no more than

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thirty seconds later to get back to the of those deer,

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and I did. I focused in on then. I thought,

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with all the kerfuffle going on with the dogs and

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all the noise are making, those deer hadn't moved. And

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those deers are strangest part of them when you look

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at the video. They weren't looking at me. They weren't

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looking at the dogs. That deer are not predatory deer prey.

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Their eyes are either side of its head, that wear

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everything around them because they have to bolt. They have

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to go. That's their defense. They're quick, instantaneous speed, They're gone.

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They weren't even looking at the dogs making a kerfuffle.

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They weren't looking my way. What they were looking at

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as I looked over where previously there had been nothing,

473
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:12,519
it was a golden shining Ah. It doesn't do it

474
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:17,000
justice on film, but to me, it was sparkling. It

475
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,639
was like almost a golden shield. But it was a figure.

476
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Now at the time, I would have said, being Christian,

477
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,280
being religious as I am, I would have thought, oh,

478
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,800
as an angel looks just like an angel. I was

479
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,480
a fair distance from it. I zoomed in on the phone,

480
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:47,800
and it was then that I saw that its face

481
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:59,039
wasn't flat. It seemed to have a muzzle. It seemed

482
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:05,000
to have the dog's face, but it couldn't. It was

483
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,519
no nothing I'd ever ever seen in my life before.

484
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:16,800
This thing was golden. It was shining, reflective in the sunlight.

485
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:26,400
I had a point of perspective. Thank goodness I did.

486
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,199
The point of perspective I had was there was a

487
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,320
bush that was right by and there was a log

488
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,719
in front of it. Previously, when I was taking recording

489
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,599
of the deer, that log and that bush were there.

490
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,760
Now I untangled them. I went back to looking at

491
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,440
the deer. Hand over to what the deer were looking at,

492
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:59,440
and they were looking at this golden entity, this golden

493
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:05,159
dog and hybrid dog man. That's all I can put

494
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:09,840
it down to being a hybrid dog man, simply because

495
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:16,920
it looked like a dog man. I had the muzzle,

496
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:23,639
but it was, as I say, shiny, I got out

497
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:27,000
of there quick. I got out of there quick. On

498
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,239
that one, I gathered up the dogs as said, come,

499
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,519
we're going, and I went down at the opposite path

500
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,400
and went straight for the car, went back to the parking,

501
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,880
straight to the car in and GM there was no

502
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:46,199
sound coming from it. And I got back home and

503
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,960
I looked at the video and as you do, go

504
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:54,639
through frame by frame by frame, and yes, it's at

505
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:59,519
a distance. Yes, I was zoomed in. I was zoomed in,

506
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,559
but you can make out the shape and you can

507
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,679
make out previously in that video there was nothing there,

508
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,320
and then when I pan up again thirty seconds later,

509
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,920
this thing was there. What I didn't notice at that

510
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:24,480
time was in the forest behind this golden dog man

511
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:33,960
hybrid entity, there seemed to be a massive monster. There

512
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,360
seemed to be a massive bigfoot coming out the forest

513
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:45,480
towards this golden entity as hybrid dog man. Now, I

514
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:50,400
don't know, it's just it could be my interpretation, but

515
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:56,880
it's up, it's there for everyone to see. That's my

516
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:05,880
interpretation of it. High insight being there. I know you

517
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,679
would have thought the same. You would have had a

518
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:17,199
feeling that it's just not right, that's just not natural.

519
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,400
That is something that is that that you don't get

520
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:34,199
shining reflective surfaces like that standing up golden colored in nature.

521
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Not the sizest thing was so that I was one

522
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,239
of the one of the Stranger Strangers document encounters I've

523
00:44:48,239 --> 00:45:04,519
ever had. Now there is there is a another old

524
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:10,880
sighting that happened, and it's always intrigued me. This sighting

525
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,599
so documented sighting that happened. You can read about it

526
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,119
all on Google. It happened at Camberwell Cemetery and in

527
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:27,280
October the ninth, nineteen ninety six, the man in question

528
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,079
was twenty six at the time and was on his

529
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,960
way to meet a friend who lived on Underhill Road

530
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,559
in southeast London. In order to walk there, he had

531
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:44,039
to make a long trek, heading southwest past Camberwell New

532
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:48,880
Cemetery and then down the entire length of Brenchley Gardens

533
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,280
and around Camberwell Old Cemetery. He decided to cut through

534
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,039
the older part of the cemetery to save twenty minutes

535
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,920
off walking time, even though it was already dark and

536
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,039
the area of walking through the cemetery at night was

537
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:14,519
freakishly scary, okay, he said. He normally rode his bicycle

538
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,119
to his friend's house, but their plans for that evening

539
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,920
precluded his usual means of transport. He didn't have a flashlight,

540
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,360
and a cemetery had no lighting system, so he could

541
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,159
see only a few feet ahead of him as he

542
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,000
made his way across the grounds. He was well into

543
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,519
the middle of the graveyard when the movement of something

544
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,840
very large and dark caught his eye. I swear I

545
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,800
saw what I thought was a dog, A big dog

546
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,639
moved very quickly, he said. He stopped and squinted into

547
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,559
the darkness, but decided that his mind was playing tricks

548
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:57,719
on him and started off again. He didn't get very far.

549
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:04,400
It was then flash My life changed forever. It was

550
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,639
so quick, I never had a chance. I thought that

551
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,760
somebody had literally run into me and knocked me over.

552
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,239
Something had grabbed me by my arm very tightly and

553
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,599
smashed me into the ground. It was big, it was powerful.

554
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,400
It had extremely bad breath. It smelt cold and awful.

555
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,760
This thing was now bearing down on me, he said,

556
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,519
looking directly at my face, dribbling onto me and growling.

557
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:39,800
But it was the creature's next action that truly frightened him.

558
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:43,960
It began to eagerly sniff his body up and down,

559
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,400
exactly as a dog would do. I was convinced I

560
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:55,559
was going to be unlived, he said. I'm afraid to

561
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,440
say that, as brave as I think I might be,

562
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:03,559
I was not at this point. As shamefully I soiled myself.

563
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,800
I was waiting for the bike, but that never happened.

564
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,639
Just as quick as it started, it was over, and

565
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,360
the beast was gone and sprinted off in a flash.

566
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:24,079
It sprinted away on its hind legs only. So that

567
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:32,239
is a famous case from Camberwell Cemetery that happened now.

568
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:42,039
Camberwell Cemetery is quite famous for this. Whatever is there,

569
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,199
the dog men entity that is there also terrified two

570
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,559
pedestrians walking parallel to the cemetery on the hill road.

571
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,239
One of the witnesses said, we heard a low grown

572
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,119
then a large tree in the corner. The cemetery was

573
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,440
shaking in credibly hard, as if something really powerful was

574
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,840
shaking it of all its might. It was definitely not

575
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:11,440
made by a person or an animal. The tree looked

576
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,639
as if the roots were ready to be ripped out.

577
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,119
My friend and I took to our heels and ran

578
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:23,119
as fast as we could in different directions. We could

579
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,119
not rationalize the sheer terrorb we both felt. We knew

580
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,519
we had to get as far away from the cemetery

581
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,639
as we possibly could. There is something very sinister there,

582
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:44,239
she said. So I wanted to go there to have

583
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:51,119
a little look and investigate. And the day that I chose,

584
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,480
I was actually around that area would work And I

585
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,159
said to work, look, do you mind if I stop

586
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:02,239
off and in the afternoon have a little look. And

587
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,159
they said, that's fine. You've done a job. You can

588
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,599
do that as fine. So that's great, thanks, And it

589
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,920
then started to rain. Anyway, I went in and the

590
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,159
cemetery is in two halves, like the account tells, so

591
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,039
it hasn't changed an awful lot since nineteen ninety six.

592
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:27,719
So you've got a new section of cemetery, which you

593
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,800
can see quite quite obviously, is tended to and cared for.

594
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,840
And then you've got an old part of the cemetery

595
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,440
that isn't tended to, that is overgrown that a lot

596
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:53,559
of the gravestones are lost, partially hidden, and it's heavy

597
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,920
going going through this cemetery in Campbell and cemetery is

598
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,280
heavy going in the old part of the cemetery so overgrown.

599
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:09,000
So I was mooching around of my camera and having

600
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,559
a little looks seeing what I could see, and I

601
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:20,280
had a very strange incident that happened. The first thing

602
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:27,039
that I found was underneath a willow. So this willow

603
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:32,360
tree was quite mature and its branches were hanging down

604
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,239
vey low. For some reason, I just had a compulsion

605
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,800
on my own. I was strong compulsion to break through

606
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,679
the branches to have a little look at the void

607
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,719
underneath the tree, what was underneath. And I found a

608
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:55,679
chair on his own, and the foot of the chair

609
00:51:56,199 --> 00:52:03,840
was an old broken into peace gravestand and it was

610
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,920
almost like as if something was there and it had

611
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:14,039
been contemplating this gravestand this broken, sharded piece stone there

612
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,639
and it had a certain feel to it. I had

613
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:24,360
that area underneath the tree just had that timeless feel,

614
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:32,360
that feeling that I shouldn't really be I'm encroaching upon

615
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:39,800
someone's space. And then moved on, and remember it was

616
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:46,000
raining muddy. I went down a couple of paths that

617
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:51,079
were very difficult to go down. Lucky enough, I had

618
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:56,199
my camera on all the while, and as I did,

619
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:02,519
I reached one section of this cemetery. It's old symmetry,

620
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:14,480
forgotten semetry. Now I'm not crazy, okay when I tell

621
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:21,079
you that I heard two things. The first thing that

622
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:31,400
I heard was a growling and it was a low, deep,

623
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,079
you could hear it in your chest before you heard

624
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:46,639
it in your ears growl. It was a single tone,

625
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:55,679
but it was heavy and loud. It. If I was

626
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:01,079
to put the growl into words, it was stay away.

627
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:10,639
That's the image I had from this ground. I then

628
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:20,199
heard at the same time talking. That's something talking, chattering

629
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,559
or conversation. I could not make out what it was.

630
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,079
I got so excited. I was like, so because the

631
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:34,840
camera was rolling, I had the camera rolling. I turned

632
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:41,679
to the camera, as most video podcasters do, I said,

633
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:51,440
did you hear that? Then I heard the voice. Now

634
00:54:53,519 --> 00:55:00,480
I've heard this voice before and it was familiar, and

635
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:09,119
this voice was a low, robotic sounding voice, and a

636
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:19,079
voice told me to go beware leave. Now I was like,

637
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:26,559
I turned to the did you hear that? I knew

638
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:31,599
in my heart hearts no one would have heard the voice.

639
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:35,280
And this is where it gets a bit crazy. I've

640
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:42,320
heard this voice before. I've spoken about this before. I

641
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:51,840
believe that this voice is a dog man. I believe

642
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,440
that this voice is coming from all the way back

643
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:02,000
to my first instance of seeing what you would call werewolf,

644
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,960
and I think it opened the door as this entity

645
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:13,800
that we see in forests and in woods invariably does.

646
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:23,880
I challenge anyone to say that after they've had a

647
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,639
sighting of dog men that other stuff doesn't happen to them,

648
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:35,920
because I'm sure it does. Every single man woman out

649
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,480
there that has come close or seen a dog man

650
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:45,000
entity has had other stuff happen to them, whether it

651
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:54,360
be powormal, whether it be of cryptids, whether it be

652
00:56:54,599 --> 00:57:01,599
something unexplainable. That sign I think you've had would have

653
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:19,320
opened up your spectrum, your understanding of another world. I've

654
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:27,039
heard this voice before on quite a few occasions. I

655
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:34,239
would say, I'm now fifty nine, I'll be sixty this year,

656
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,639
and I can say, honestly, I've heard it probably five

657
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,199
or six times in my life. That's not a lot,

658
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:51,239
that's not a lot of times. But every time it's

659
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:58,639
always helped me. Every time, it's always warm me. Why

660
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:02,360
do I think it stems or comes from a dog

661
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:17,280
man entity? Wow? I always have had dog men or

662
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:25,400
affiliated with dog men places or dog men's sightings I've

663
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:30,760
had when I've heard the voice or have been as

664
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,679
in this case in Camprawell Cemetery, and I had that voice,

665
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:41,760
had the ground, and I had that voice. When I

666
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,679
got home, I could sense at the time, I could

667
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:50,920
sense that there was something off on the area I

668
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,239
was in. I got back home and I looked eagerly

669
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:04,760
at the video footage. That warning I got to beware

670
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,599
was for a reason because on the footage you can

671
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:20,800
see beyond the gravestone, this big quadrupedal the hound. It

672
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:31,679
came out from behind a cemetery stone gravestone, and it

673
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,119
morphed out on camera. It morphed out where you almost

674
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:41,480
like Predator STYLI, where you can start to see the

675
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:48,280
foliage coming through the body of this hound, and it

676
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:53,199
just disappeared, morphed out, and I think the voice was

677
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,039
warning me of that. At the same time on film,

678
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:06,480
there was these three orbs, white orbs that came across

679
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,639
the camera. I can't account for them. They're not birds.

680
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:18,280
Now I was running at that time. It was I

681
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,719
think it was somewhere in the region of about thirty

682
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,679
five frames per second, No, fifty frames per second, beg

683
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,559
your pardon. I was running fifty frames per second on

684
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,519
that film. So I was able to take that frame

685
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:36,519
by frame by frame, and there were the way these

686
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:40,639
orbs jumped in the frame. They were only on screen

687
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:47,840
for two frames, that's how quick they were going. And

688
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:55,880
the frame rate was fifty frames per second. It's just nothing.

689
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,880
No burd can go that quickly. And there was free

690
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,559
these orbs, all going in the same direction, all coming

691
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:08,199
from this hound, almost like there is a portal there.

692
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:16,599
And now I'm going to sound crazy. I believe portals exist,

693
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,039
and I believe a lot of the entities we've seen

694
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:28,559
come through these portals. I believe that we often see

695
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:37,239
portals but don't recognize them as being portals. We may

696
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:46,000
see them as almost They look to most people almost

697
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:47,760
like you know, when you look down the road and

698
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,360
it's hot and you've got a shimmer coming off the road.

699
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,079
You'll see a shimmer in a certain spot in a

700
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,960
wood or forest. A lot of times it will always

701
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,480
Why is it always in a wood or forest Because

702
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:09,760
it's a high carbon content area, it's an energetic area.

703
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:19,119
It's a naturally energetic area. That's the reason why portals

704
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:29,000
exist and materialize in these areas. So, yeah, that was

705
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:36,679
That was some of the dog band sightings that I had.

706
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:42,400
Now I did mention in the last show. I was

707
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,360
going to mention about when I was twelve years old

708
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:54,119
and I had quite a it was quite a traumatic

709
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:02,159
dog band sighting for me. So I had an imaginary friend. Okay,

710
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:05,679
my imaginary friend's name was called Danny, and I had

711
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:08,519
it for many, many years, and even when I got older,

712
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,679
I still kind of used to talk to my imaginary friend.

713
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,679
Danny would mostly talk in the evening. You know, growing up,

714
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,840
I never really noticed him or even brought him into

715
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,400
any games during the day. I was busy enough for

716
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:33,920
me during the day, but in the evening he would

717
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,480
be there as sure as the son would go down.

718
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:42,039
It was myself that would notice him. No one else,

719
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:46,639
not Dad, Mum, my sister. She would have been most

720
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,559
aware of Danny. My sister was six years older than me.

721
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,480
I can remember her question questioning mother growing up about

722
01:03:56,519 --> 01:04:00,599
my conversations were bought. She must have thought was a

723
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:04,320
barmie brother. I'd be sitting on the edge of my

724
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,880
bed in full on conversation and Dan he was there.

725
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:14,880
Danny was talking, laughing back at me on seeing the

726
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,719
jabberin and laughing. My sister approached my mother one day, Mum,

727
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:24,760
is my brother, Okay, he's doing that, talking to himself

728
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,920
and laughing. Crap again. Mum always replied, it's a phase

729
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,519
he's going through. Hugging her, she said, I remember you

730
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:38,639
playing with dolls. This held no sway with my sister, unfortunately,

731
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:46,000
but they were something Mum. She pulled away from Mum's house.

732
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:50,599
Not thinn Air. Damn, it's just creepy. You don't have

733
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:52,880
to share a room with him, Mum. Because I used

734
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,480
to share a room with my I can remember my

735
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:59,679
sister saying that we lived right by a dual carriageway

736
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:06,599
or highway, and back in the seventies there used to

737
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:10,000
be lead in the fuel and there used to be

738
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,800
particles on mums washing on the washing line, little black,

739
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,800
tiny little particles from the fuel from the main road.

740
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,519
So Mum was always worried about because I had the

741
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:23,280
bonchaitis as a kid and stuff, so she was always

742
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,440
worried about me having the windows open summertime because I

743
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,079
had the front bedroom looking out on the dual carriageway

744
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:34,079
or highway, so I'd be kind of put into the

745
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,960
my sister's room, but she had the biggest bedroom because

746
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,480
she was oldest, and I had a set put bed

747
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,679
on the other side of her bedroom, which gave her

748
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:49,239
great joy. She was very pleased every summer about that. So, yeah,

749
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,880
that's what used to happen. Now. I can remember Danny,

750
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:57,960
my imaginary friend. I can remember him being not rude

751
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:02,559
or nasty, but mischievous. I would suggest a game like

752
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:06,079
hide and seek, and he would take take that to

753
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:09,840
another level, suggesting that a hide in the spot that

754
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,639
I would never have chosen, for instance, Dad's garage, at night.

755
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,559
One of the scariest places for me was Dad's garage,

756
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,039
bastion of peace. Dad would say. Halfway down the garden,

757
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,000
old wooden with black paneling, two opening doors that were

758
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,639
full of splinters and dragged on the floor when you

759
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:36,519
tried to open them. The inside was equally scary. And

760
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:40,000
Dad's garage it was a treasure trove of tools and

761
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,800
jam jars, full of nails and screws and bits of things.

762
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,239
I had no idea what they were or did. But

763
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:53,639
in the vaulted ceiling was wooden straps and either side

764
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:59,199
resting on these or hanging off screws, saws swinging gently

765
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:04,119
up points of garden tools. All looked menacing and threatening

766
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,800
any that entered his garage at the best of times.

767
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:13,679
But light Danny suggested this would be the best place

768
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:17,920
to hide. I would never be found there, found here,

769
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:22,440
That's what I thought. I remember. My imagination, as you

770
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,599
can gather, was pretty pretty good. I opened the door.

771
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,559
It was dark, but the right hand side, on the

772
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:34,679
wooden post in the garage, I knew there was a

773
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,320
light switch, and I flicked it on. There was a

774
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,119
single bay bulb that was hanging down and in my head.

775
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,880
I was kind of like counting down fifty forty eight

776
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:54,719
forty seven. The light in the garage never fully or

777
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,920
wholly lit up the whole of the garage. I was

778
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,800
pockets of shadow in the corner that seemed to steal

779
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:11,519
more light as the darkness crawled towards me. Really, every

780
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:14,199
time I looked at the corners they seemed to get

781
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:19,800
darker and darker. Still, I counted forty thirty nine thirty seven.

782
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,439
The only window in here was a three foot square

783
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,760
with enough putty holding it into the frame to sink

784
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,159
a battleship. The place was a mishmash of thrown out

785
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:36,239
reclaimed materials. Really, on the whole, the light was situated

786
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:41,119
by the small window which looked out onto the rear garden,

787
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:46,720
the lawn park, which had Mum's greenhouse on one side,

788
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,479
sitting on slabs which always smelled of tomatoes and geraniums.

789
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:56,640
A lovely small cherry tree I planted actually with white

790
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:04,600
blossoms was on the right hand side, and then on

791
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,720
left was my climbing frame, and that was one of

792
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:16,159
my great joys. My climbing frame. Spent hours on it,

793
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:23,159
absolute hours. So that was me in the garage. It

794
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:28,439
was dark. I had a light on, shadows in the corner,

795
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:38,840
playing hide and seek with an imaginary friend Crazier twenty two,

796
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:45,600
twenty one twenty I bobbed down and went to the

797
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,199
light switch keeping glow and turned it off, then returned.

798
01:09:51,239 --> 01:09:54,600
I turned the light off because I heard I actually

799
01:09:55,079 --> 01:10:00,479
heard running. Now, I wasn't that crazy as kid to

800
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:06,439
know that my imaginary friend was an imaginary friend. I

801
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:12,479
heard running around the garage. Now, my sister was six

802
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,359
years older than me. My sister was inside. I think

803
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,840
my sister had actually gone out if I remember rightly.

804
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:29,079
Definitely wasn't my sister I heard running going round the garage.

805
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,239
The reason I turned the garage light out was because

806
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:35,960
I was lit up inside. And one of the scariest

807
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:39,920
things that can happen is at night when you're trying

808
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,720
to look out of a window and all you can

809
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,520
see is your own reflection, and in the head you

810
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,000
think to yourself, everyone can see me, but I can't

811
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:58,479
see out. I then.

812
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,399
Speaker 1: I heard.

813
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 2: A tapping on the window, and that tapping turned to

814
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:26,520
a scratch. That nail was on the blackboard. Once again,

815
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,560
these things want the attention. They want witnessing because what

816
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,600
I saw was on top of my climbing frame. There

817
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,680
was a big climbing frame in the garden. Standing on

818
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:47,680
top was a dog man red eyes not yellow, these

819
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:53,600
were red, and it was actually looking at me. I

820
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,479
could see it quite clearly because there was a moon

821
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:06,720
and it was looking towards the window. And I heard

822
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:16,279
that voice again say get out, philm deep robotic voice,

823
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,640
and I left. I got out, I got out quick.

824
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:37,520
It was free to one out gone and Mum. When

825
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:46,399
I got in, Mum said, you're okay, you know what?

826
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:48,840
What's what? What? What? What's taking the jam out of

827
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,760
your donut? And I was like, Mom, there's there's something

828
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:58,119
on the where's Dad? It's apposed behind in a bit,

829
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,359
it's something in the garden. There's something on the climbing frame.

830
01:13:05,079 --> 01:13:10,520
I tried to explain to her, and she said, look,

831
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,039
just calm down there, so calm. When your father gets in,

832
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:20,720
I'll get him to go down and have a look.

833
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,520
Dad never took me seriously at all. He went down

834
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:33,880
the garden, but he didn't expect to find anything at all.

835
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:44,399
And that was the end of Danny. I never again

836
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:55,840
saw Denny or hurt him, and in a way, for me,

837
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:04,039
it was quite sad. But I think every you know,

838
01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:12,000
kid that has an imaginary friend, you know, kind of

839
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,239
it fades. But then he came to a full stop

840
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,800
the day I saw that document on top of the

841
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:31,319
climbing frame. Yeah, it was. It was. That was a

842
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:39,159
definitely a defining moment in my life as well. It

843
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:45,000
was just it was when they look at you, that's

844
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:55,520
when it drills home, because you know, they recognize you.

845
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,000
M hm. And that is one of the scariest feelings.

846
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:11,920
Something which should not exist, could not exist, but it does.

847
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:20,800
It does exist. When that thing looks at you, it's

848
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:26,760
it's just and at twelve years old, it never it

849
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:35,279
never left me. Yeah, that's that's scary. That was scary.

850
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:41,600
That was very that that stayed with me. I don't know.

851
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,800
I can't tell you what was running around the garage.

852
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:55,439
I guess it was this dogmententity somehow, though, do you

853
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:02,520
know what, in a way I wish it was I

854
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,880
wish it could have been Danny warning me. In a way,

855
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:12,279
it would be nice to know if the imagination became real.

856
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:23,960
But what eye witnessed was definitely real. It was definitely real. Yeah,

857
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:30,640
But yeah, people honestly don't don't ah, if you if

858
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,079
you do ever hear a voice and it's a deep,

859
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:40,640
robotic voice coming from these things, take heed of it.

860
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:48,159
You know. Wherever this voice is coming from. I think

861
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:52,239
it's coming from a guardian. I think mine's from a

862
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:55,520
dog man. I think it's a guardian. I think it's

863
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:00,520
something which is there protection. It seems be on the

864
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:10,840
right track, it seems to be timing. It's it's cautionary advice.

865
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:15,640
Really pretty well, it's really I mean, it's spot on

866
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:20,880
because every time it has warn me, I've taken heed

867
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,560
of it and it's worked. There's been times in the

868
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:35,399
past where I nearly was unlive myself by something that

869
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:42,880
happened in my house. It wasn't exactly an accident, but

870
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,760
I was cautioned by that voice. Again. Yeah, what do

871
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,399
you think.

872
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: Vick, Well, what I'm wondering is have you ever told

873
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,119
anyone about that experience who question the veracity of the

874
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:59,319
actual dog mean encounter because you had been interacting with

875
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:01,479
your imagine your friend Danny.

876
01:18:03,119 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: Yes, they have. There have been people that have said, well,

877
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:11,680
you know, it's it's a fertile imagination. Obviously, I did

878
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:21,800
have a very good imagination. But what made what made

879
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:29,279
what made it different to me is you get children

880
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:35,079
can create, and I created a scenario that was scary

881
01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:39,760
on purpose for myself. I know that I went into

882
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,640
a place which I shouldn't be in my dad's garage

883
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,920
because it was one of the in the confines of

884
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:52,239
my house. It was one of the don't go places.

885
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:59,000
It was one of the scariest places. I guess I

886
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:01,960
was bored to honest VIC and I guess going in

887
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:07,560
there in a way, Walt Disney knew that. You know,

888
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:13,399
people and children especially like to be scared. It brings

889
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:19,960
an emotion out in people. I know what I probably

890
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,159
in retrospect what I went in there for to scare

891
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:32,199
myself to get response. But when I turned the light

892
01:19:32,319 --> 01:19:40,199
off after I heard this running around the garage, it

893
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:44,720
was I turned the light off regardless of how scary

894
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:51,279
it is inside the garage, because if it was my

895
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,640
imaginary friend, then my imaginary friend had taken form and

896
01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:02,199
was running with footsteps heard of the garage, which that

897
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:12,560
in itself, if it's a toper a thought form, that

898
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,119
in itself, that physically running around. That's what made me

899
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:19,279
turn the light out in the garage, because it's like,

900
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:26,399
you know, I would not have made an already scary

901
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:31,039
place scarier by having no light at all. But there

902
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:36,560
was something outside running, and I think because I had

903
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,479
that response it looking back, yes, I think I gave

904
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,239
it a bit more for me. I was there, I

905
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:51,079
felt it, I knew and I kind of that's one thing.

906
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,119
I just knew that there was something there running. I

907
01:20:55,199 --> 01:21:00,840
heard it really quick as well. That's Gary, which wasn't small.

908
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,479
It was a standalone garage halfway down the garden, and

909
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,399
the garden was all the way around it. If you

910
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,640
like the front doors. The front doors opened up. There

911
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,800
were real old knacker doors that were really tired, the

912
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,760
splintered black, splintered wood but never got changed. And then

913
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,520
there was a little tiny driveway leading out to two

914
01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:27,119
gates which led out onto the road. So if you like,

915
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:29,239
the fence of the garden ran all the way down

916
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,279
on the left hand side, if you like, all the

917
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:37,119
way down the garden, and then we had a another

918
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:47,119
fence the other side, and then the garden of the neighbors.

919
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:52,920
Could it be in a neighbor, No, No, because they

920
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,880
were they were kind of their son at that time

921
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,159
was in the army. He had gone off to join

922
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:11,159
the army, and his parents they were kind of what's

923
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,520
the best word for they were both they were both

924
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:24,399
physically not capable that way up running. So yeah, turning

925
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:27,520
off the light of the garage, I kind of instantly

926
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,640
did that because there was just something there. I heard that.

927
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,359
Speaker 1: Big I would have turned the light off. Also, I

928
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:39,279
don't blame you, and it sure would have been convenient

929
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:43,359
if it would have just been your imagination, but unfortunately

930
01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:46,640
it wasn't. Well, I'll tell you what, Phil, We are

931
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,760
out of time, but I've got a ton of questions

932
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,239
I wanted to ask you about all these experiences you've

933
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:54,920
shared with this. Would you be open to coming back

934
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:56,359
to do in A Q and A.

935
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, I'd love to do it. But

936
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,800
I'd love to once any any any of them.

937
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,239
Speaker 1: Oh great, Well, you know I'd love to have you back.

938
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,560
So that's what we'll do. I'll get with you to

939
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,479
schedule it and we'll take it from there. But in

940
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,399
the meantime, thanks again so much for coming back on

941
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,159
you know, I really appreciate it.

942
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Fi. It's great being on your show.

943
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,359
I do appreciate you having me on. Thank you, oh

944
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:22,319
you know you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again so much and have a great night.