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Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's Jose Galison. This is no Way Jose. Tonight.
Speaker 3: My guest is Jeremy Slate. The title the episode is
Speaker 3: Rome Is Burning. I figured today we'd take this opportunity
Speaker 3: to kind of focus on the changing of the guard
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Empire, maybe maybe equating that
Speaker 3: to looking to the past and seeing what what what
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Speaker 3: on to talk about Rome. But with that, before we
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Speaker 3: in here and get to it. What's up, man, How
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 1: Hey man? Thanks for having me so to be hanging out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long time coming. You've been kind of
Speaker 3: kind of been on the radar for a while. I think, No,
Speaker 3: I don't know, And I think maybe it was one
Speaker 3: of the tim cast times you came shortly after me
Speaker 3: or something. We've we've almost crossed paths a few times,
Speaker 3: we've been in similar spheres, So it's kind of been
Speaker 3: a long time coming that some point, and I think
Speaker 3: I kind of swooped to you a kind of a
Speaker 3: great time to kind of have this conversation. As I
Speaker 3: kind of mentioned in the intro, we're at a weird
Speaker 3: time on Monday. I mean, obviously these episodes get paywalled,
Speaker 3: so patrons, you know, this makes sense for you, for
Speaker 3: people who are watching this in the future, you know
Speaker 3: it'll be it'll you know, Monday, you know it'll be
Speaker 3: Monday in the past for you. Monday in the future
Speaker 3: for us is when when Donald Trump is coming in
Speaker 3: and Biden's going out. So we're kind of at a
Speaker 3: weird transitionary state. So I figured maybe there and we
Speaker 3: can look to history for some sort of examples. But
Speaker 3: I mean, before we get into that, Jeremy, I guess
Speaker 3: if you could let my audience know a little bit
Speaker 3: about you, kind of what you're about, kind of why
Speaker 3: I would bring you on for a conversation like this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my master's is in the Roman Empire.
Speaker 4: I studied why people worship the emperor and how Augustus
Speaker 4: was able to set up a system where people basically
Speaker 4: worshiped him. He likely didn't believe and of the propaganda
Speaker 4: he was saying, but he was just smart enough to
Speaker 4: know how to use it to control people. And what
Speaker 4: I do day to day is I run a company
Speaker 4: called Command Your Brand. We are a pr and firm
Speaker 4: for the podcast space. We've been doing that since since
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen and typically live in New Jersey. But right
Speaker 4: now I'm in Hollywood. So it's been an interesting few
Speaker 4: weeks of breathing smoke and seeing flames coming out of
Speaker 4: the side of mountains and yeah, that's me right.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I could dig in that a little
Speaker 3: bit on the fires. What's that about, Is there is
Speaker 3: any sort of reason you're over there over in Hollywood
Speaker 3: or I mean, I don't know, if you've got some
Speaker 3: sort of project you're working on or something. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I a house swap with a friend that always wanted
Speaker 4: to live live in a farm, so I live on
Speaker 4: a farm in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: So I'm out here in LA.
Speaker 4: And I thought it would be, you know, just kind
Speaker 4: of go to Hollywood for a bit, but apparently when
Speaker 4: I arrived here, I came here in September and we're
Speaker 4: staying for the month or so. But it's been interesting,
Speaker 4: to say the least. The homeless people are special kind
Speaker 4: of crazy out here. I got to say that I've
Speaker 4: encountered at least two with swords and I did getting
Speaker 4: on the the the one on one highway the other
Speaker 4: day put out a fire on the side of the road,
Speaker 4: a brush fire that so I guess somebody had started.
Speaker 1: And it's been a wild experience out here. Man.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, as you said, your thing is Rome. So
Speaker 3: I guess kind of just start with I mean, we
Speaker 3: were talking a little bit before, and I kind of,
Speaker 3: as I said, I said in the beginning, before we
Speaker 3: even started this kind of don't know shit about Rome.
Speaker 3: I kind of know what we learned about in high school.
Speaker 3: I kind of know that there's you know, they always
Speaker 3: will bring up Rome as an example of there's parallels
Speaker 3: between our governmental systems. You know, this is where democracies,
Speaker 3: but this is what they we're told in school. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe other entities had it before then, but
Speaker 3: I guess that's probably one of the most popular entities
Speaker 3: that had something along that. Probably when we look to empires,
Speaker 3: this is what we're gonna look to as well. So
Speaker 3: this comes up frequently, and you know, kind of an
Speaker 3: empire rising and falling, which is kind of where we're
Speaker 3: at right now. So there's a lot to be said
Speaker 3: about that. But I guess I guess to challenge, I
Speaker 3: just kind of give a breakdown, I guess of Rome.
Speaker 3: I guess it is a general breakdown. What kind of
Speaker 3: time frame are we talking about with Rome? I know
Speaker 3: this sounds really pedantic, but most people, I feel like,
Speaker 3: probably don't even know the minor details of Rome at all.
Speaker 3: So I mean even just backing up and going, oh,
Speaker 3: these are the general details about what Rome is, what
Speaker 3: kind of governmental systems that had throughout the times, and
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I think that's really important because honestly, like
Speaker 4: I've been having these conversations for the past year and
Speaker 4: a half and really the thing I'm finding is when
Speaker 4: I started this, I was kind of like, oh, I
Speaker 4: think people see these comparison points to Roman where we
Speaker 4: are now. And the thing I found out Jose is
Speaker 4: it's not that people don't see the comparison points.
Speaker 1: Most people don't even know what Rome is.
Speaker 4: They just kind of think it's like a TV show
Speaker 4: that was on HBO like twenty years ago, or you know,
Speaker 4: Julius Caesar was the first emperor, which he wasn't. So
Speaker 4: if you look at Rome, it's essentially three eras in time.
Speaker 4: It's a kingdom first, then it's a republican, then it's
Speaker 4: an empire, and empire is kind of that like final stage.
Speaker 4: It's about five hundred years in time that we talk
Speaker 4: about most often. But at the same time, our government
Speaker 4: is based largely off Rome's Republic, which the Romans and
Speaker 4: Greeks like to fight about who had the idea of
Speaker 4: democracy first. That's why the Romans say they had it
Speaker 4: in five h nine BC and the Greeks say they
Speaker 4: had it in five oh eight BC, and that's why
Speaker 4: they kind of fight about who had it. But if
Speaker 4: you want to look at what Rome is, initially, it's
Speaker 4: founded in seven fifty three BC by a guy named Romulus.
Speaker 4: He may or may not have been real because when
Speaker 4: Romans didn't know, you know, why they do certain things,
Speaker 4: you know, why do we have these traditions, why do
Speaker 4: we do these certain things? What it's because Romulus created it.
Speaker 4: So there's a history and I've been reading for you years.
Speaker 4: His name is doctor Mary Beard, and she talks about
Speaker 4: you know, is he this mister Rome character, this person
Speaker 4: that they don't really know who to attribute all these
Speaker 4: things to. So they kind of just made him up, right,
Speaker 4: Like they kind of just made him up and you know,
Speaker 4: kind of been like.
Speaker 3: Uncle like Uncle Sam happened upon this the stretch of
Speaker 3: land and we called the United States. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So traditionally he's the first of the seven Kings of Rome.
Speaker 4: He's actually the least likely to have existed. The final
Speaker 4: king is a guy named Tarquin the Proud, and he's
Speaker 4: taken out of power by a guy named Brutus. A
Speaker 4: little foreshadowing that's gonna be the same family that's gonna
Speaker 4: take out Julius Caesar way down the road. But that's
Speaker 4: in five oh nine when it ceases to be a
Speaker 4: kingdom monarchy.
Speaker 3: And then then it is a republic and then demand right.
Speaker 4: But not monarchy, like not monarchy like you would think monarchy,
Speaker 4: you know, like not we're not like King Charles type
Speaker 4: of stuff. Like we're looking at like remember the movie
Speaker 4: Brave Heart and kind of how the warlords had like
Speaker 4: these little like places they lived. It would have been
Speaker 4: more like that. It would have been like more feudal
Speaker 4: systems warlords. They didn't live in stone buildings, not.
Speaker 3: A constitutional monarchy, and the monarchies of today aren't really
Speaker 3: even monarchies whatsoever, Like right, yeah, yea.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they would have they would have they would
Speaker 4: have lived in huts, they wouldn't have had any stone
Speaker 4: buildings or anything like that. So then it becomes a
Speaker 4: republic in five oh nine. The Senate is this advising
Speaker 4: body that was meant to originally advice king, so that
Speaker 4: carries over from the kingdom to the Republic. But essentially
Speaker 4: the republic is a system where there's two people that
Speaker 4: are the main people in charge and they're in charge
Speaker 4: for a year.
Speaker 1: They're called the consuls.
Speaker 4: There would be an election every single year where they
Speaker 4: would decide who these new two people are and their
Speaker 4: dating system. They actually marked the year by who the
Speaker 4: two guys are in power, so like the consulship of
Speaker 4: Galisson and Caesar would have been, you know how it
Speaker 4: would mark the year and that would how they decide
Speaker 4: what it is. They also have a basically a track
Speaker 4: you would go through if you're going to get into
Speaker 4: political office. You would hold your first political office at
Speaker 4: thirty five and you would go through something which is
Speaker 4: called the courses and orum. Many different political office you
Speaker 4: would go through until you could ever be console. So
Speaker 4: there's a lot of tradition to it. Rome didn't have
Speaker 4: a written constitution. It was basically just all this is
Speaker 4: the way we do it. They called it the most
Speaker 4: mayoram or the ways of the Ancestors, and that's essentially
Speaker 4: the system but now when you think of a republic,
Speaker 4: it's in a lot of ways very oligarchic, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense, because there's about ten to fifteen percent of
Speaker 4: the population that could actually read, and of the Roman population,
Speaker 4: if you want to look at the class breakdown, the
Speaker 4: two classes that we see are thetisi, the patricians, and
Speaker 4: the plebeians. The plebeians being the poorer people. The patricians
Speaker 4: were about ten to fifteen percent of the population, So.
Speaker 3: You get things like people say, you plead correct the
Speaker 3: expression comes from ausum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there wasn't really much representation of plebs. There
Speaker 4: is an office created later on called the Tribune of
Speaker 4: the Plubs, but many times that office could also be
Speaker 4: held by a patrician, so go figure. They didn't actually
Speaker 4: have any representation. So it really ends up being, you know,
Speaker 4: it's much more i guess even than the empire is,
Speaker 4: and it's more even than the kingdom is, but it's
Speaker 4: still really an oligarchy.
Speaker 1: Of the rich in a lot of ways. So that's
Speaker 1: the republic phase.
Speaker 4: Now, the last one hundred years of the republic, which
Speaker 4: is one thirty three to thirty one, you have what's
Speaker 4: called the Roman Revolution and Basically what this is is
Speaker 4: rich people fighting out in the public sphere for who
Speaker 4: gets to be in charge. The guy that comes out
Speaker 4: on top is Julius Caesar, but he comes out on
Speaker 4: top in a way that he ends up dying.
Speaker 1: He is assassinated in a.
Speaker 4: Forty four b SAT and in his will Mark Antony
Speaker 4: expects to expects to be named his heir, but it's
Speaker 4: not him. The person that's named his air, that gets
Speaker 4: his name is a guy named Gaius Octavius. He's going
Speaker 4: to take the name Augustus, and he's going to be
Speaker 4: the person that's going to create what becomes the Roman Empire.
Speaker 4: The Roman Empire is going to last from somewhere around
Speaker 4: there's the dates of the beginning of the dates to
Speaker 4: the end are argued about somewhere between thirty one BC
Speaker 4: and twenty three BC and ends somewhere around four seventy
Speaker 4: six AD.
Speaker 1: Is kind of that empire phase.
Speaker 4: Now, the Eastern Empire, which is we modernly call the
Speaker 4: Byzantine Empire, doesn't actually get that name until the sixteenth
Speaker 4: century because historians wanted to figure out a way like, well,
Speaker 4: how do we show the differentiation between it between it
Speaker 4: and Rome? Since it's very Greek. But the Eastern Empire
Speaker 4: would have lasted until fourteen fifty three, after they're split
Speaker 4: in the early three hundreds.
Speaker 3: So the Eastern lasted longer, lasts a lot longer.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, but it's now it's very different.
Speaker 3: It was more Greek and Greek.
Speaker 4: It's more Greek, and it would have been very different structurally,
Speaker 4: as you know, compared to how the Western Empire function.
Speaker 4: But it is essentially they would have called themselves Romans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Romans, I mean, this might be getting
Speaker 3: a little bit off tractive overview, but the Romans kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, in their stage of empire. From my understanding
Speaker 3: is they wouldn't completely try to root out the culture
Speaker 3: of an area they took over. They would kind of
Speaker 3: incorporate it. So it would make sense I would assume,
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm kind of just making a
Speaker 3: lot of assumptions here. The Greek the area lasted longer.
Speaker 3: I would assume they sort of subsumed some of their
Speaker 3: prior governmental systems and maybe in some ways that fusion
Speaker 3: maybe made it a little bit more robust. I don't
Speaker 3: know any thoughts. I'm just that's the only thing I
Speaker 3: can think of is that maybe they kind of like
Speaker 3: institution the institute their forms of governments, and that kind
Speaker 3: of set them apart or something along those lines because
Speaker 3: they were at more like city type states I believe
Speaker 3: in that type of area so well.
Speaker 4: Though a lot of those So if you want to
Speaker 4: look at like Greece is essentially an older society than
Speaker 4: the Roman culture, and but then it outlives them too,
Speaker 4: which is kind of funny. But if you look at
Speaker 4: how how Greek culture goes, kind of the high point
Speaker 4: in Greek culture is the three hundreds and four hundred
Speaker 4: s BC. It's kind of a exists, but it's not
Speaker 4: doesn't exist in anywhere near that that high period, and
Speaker 4: in the like around three I think it's like three
Speaker 4: fifty eight or something like that. It's it's actually conquered
Speaker 4: by Philip the Second of Macedon the Macedonia who's the
Speaker 4: father of Alexander the Great, so it becomes kind of
Speaker 4: a subservient culture of Alexander the Great. So after his conquests,
Speaker 4: Alexander conquers much of Europe, much of Asia Africa, but
Speaker 4: doesn't live long enough to really rule this empire he
Speaker 4: puts together, so his generals actually break apart this empire.
Speaker 4: There they're called the Dia Docoi or the successors of Alexander.
Speaker 4: They break apart his empire. And what's going to happen
Speaker 4: is over time, Rome is going to gradually take in
Speaker 4: these these empire states and they're going to become part
Speaker 4: of the Roman kind of Roman area of things. You're
Speaker 4: going to have, like there was a king that actually
Speaker 4: wills what's left of his Hellenistic kingdom to Rome before
Speaker 4: it becomes an empire. But during the empire phase they're
Speaker 4: going to bring in a lot of these other areas
Speaker 4: that are the last ones to survive is the total
Speaker 4: Maic kingdom, which is where Cleopatra would have been. So
Speaker 4: that comes in around thirty one, which is around that
Speaker 4: Battle of Actium when it becomes an empire. So it
Speaker 4: is absorbed, but that culture is going to stay part
Speaker 4: of the Roman Empire. So a lot of Romans would
Speaker 4: have not just spoken Latin, they also would have spoken Greek.
Speaker 4: You would have spoken Greek if you were more cultured. Now,
Speaker 4: I guess, looking toward the other side of things, the
Speaker 4: reason that I think the Eastern Empire survives a lot
Speaker 4: longer is they handle monetary policy a lot better than
Speaker 4: the Western Empire. The thing that they do. I had
Speaker 4: a long conversation with Clint Russell about this about it
Speaker 4: vas what comes back to economics, because if you look
Speaker 4: at it, the thing that Constantine does, he becomes emperor
Speaker 4: in three twelve, and in three fourteen he starts minting
Speaker 4: gold coins and he's going to do a few every
Speaker 4: year until he dies in three thirty seven, and he
Speaker 4: forces people to pay taxes in gold so that they're
Speaker 4: not hoarding it, which is something that happened in the
Speaker 4: Western Empire. And because of that, that currency is going
Speaker 4: to last until about the year one thousand, which is
Speaker 4: about the time of the great Great Schism. I think
Speaker 4: it's like ten to fifty three is a great schism
Speaker 4: till about then you're going to have a money that
Speaker 4: goes without inflation, which so that's one of the reasons
Speaker 4: that the Eastern Empire survived so long.
Speaker 1: And it also would have been more like it would
Speaker 1: have been closer to what medieval kingship looks like.
Speaker 4: If you want to look at how the Eastern Empire
Speaker 4: would have looked in relation to what the Roman Empire
Speaker 4: would have looked like.
Speaker 3: Well, that I guess kind of brings it back to
Speaker 3: even the next point I wanted to kind of get at,
Speaker 3: and then I don't even know if this is really
Speaker 3: the point for conversation so much as an observation this show,
Speaker 3: especially when the show started out as being far more
Speaker 3: of like a theory show. I mean, I don't assume
Speaker 3: you know much of the show. The show has become
Speaker 3: more of like a parapolitics conspiracy show over time. Started
Speaker 3: as more of like a you know, a political theory,
Speaker 3: but really at the end of the day, it's just
Speaker 3: my podcast. That's whatever the fuck I want to talk about.
Speaker 3: But it's become more more conspiracy over time. But it started
Speaker 3: as more theory, and so a lot of people have
Speaker 3: been falling along know my positions on things. No, I'm
Speaker 3: at heart an anarcho capitalist libertarian, I mean not talk
Speaker 3: about all the time because I just find it kind
Speaker 3: of kind of gay, but like you know that that
Speaker 3: is where I'm coming from. So I do believe that
Speaker 3: I am am a Hopian in the sense that and
Speaker 3: that I do believe monarchy is is preferable to democracy,
Speaker 3: and then like and anarchy is preferable to monarchy. So
Speaker 3: I'm actually that's like, that's my hierarchy. So it is
Speaker 3: kind of funny that which I don't even know. I
Speaker 3: don't assume you to have this take at all, and
Speaker 3: you know these are my positions, but it is kind
Speaker 3: of And then typically the breakdown of governments is as
Speaker 3: presented here by Rome. In this situation, we have a
Speaker 3: monarchy that then becomes a republic that then becomes a
Speaker 3: democracy essentially, you know. And then obviously before a monarchy,
Speaker 3: there was anarchy essentially, so you can kind of look
Speaker 3: at as like a cycle. So it is kind of
Speaker 3: funny that we know, Rome is this country that we
Speaker 3: typically use as a as a a pair more of
Speaker 3: cyclical things. And now you know, literally even here, even
Speaker 3: in the forms of government, kind of goes through a
Speaker 3: traditional form of monarchy republic then uh than into democracy.
Speaker 3: So and then I'm assuming I would assume you probably
Speaker 3: could tell me that democracy may have gone to gone
Speaker 3: a little bit out of control in some places and
Speaker 3: gone into almost direct democracy. I'm assuming you're more of
Speaker 3: a constitutionalist type guy, so you're probably familiar with the
Speaker 3: arguments against direct democracy and the like. Sure, and is
Speaker 3: that is that something that did find a root in Rome?
Speaker 3: Or not.
Speaker 4: That wasn't really a thing in Rome. It is something
Speaker 4: that happens a lot more in Athens. If you ever
Speaker 4: get a chance to look into the to the tyrants
Speaker 4: of Athens, they only have like pure democracy I think
Speaker 4: for like twelve years.
Speaker 3: So I never fully went to the cycle of director
Speaker 3: because then it falls into communism, and then it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It isn't It isn't even that it falls into communism.
Speaker 1: It falls into like like that.
Speaker 4: The word tyrant actually comes from these guys that were
Speaker 4: that were basically ruling Athens. It falls from democracy right
Speaker 4: in the anarchy pretty quickly. And this this this word
Speaker 4: they use for their monarchs as a tyrant. And I've
Speaker 4: often looked at it as kind of like the life
Speaker 4: cycle of government. If this makes sense, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: can look at it as a republic kind of disintegrates
Speaker 4: to a democracy, a democracy kind of disintegrates to an
Speaker 4: oligarchy of sorts, and then an oligarchy eventually when they
Speaker 4: decide who's going to be in powered, you're going to
Speaker 4: have a monarch of some sort.
Speaker 1: It just kind of goes that direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, I guess, yeah, you do have more than
Speaker 3: conventional understanding. I disagree, but I'm not going to try
Speaker 3: to talk you into affice. Take on things. I do
Speaker 3: find monarchy preferable, so I do see as like a
Speaker 3: falling apart if you look at things like World War One.
Speaker 3: World War one is typically seen amongst our crowd is
Speaker 3: kind of like the falling of the monarchies and into democratization.
Speaker 3: So you do kind of see that as well. So
Speaker 3: and the idea being is that it was preferable that
Speaker 3: before then, so a lot of these have fallen into
Speaker 3: a state of democracy. Democracy is not preferable. Republic is
Speaker 3: preferable to democracy, though, but then you know, monarchy is
Speaker 3: preferable to this is I recommend people go check out
Speaker 3: my Hopa reading series. I've done that with Toad. I
Speaker 3: need to finish that at some point. Go read Democracy
Speaker 3: of the God That Fails. Great book, but I just
Speaker 3: I had to point that out for my theory heads
Speaker 3: out there that I just thought it was interesting that
Speaker 3: I kind of followed that traditional track. It kind of
Speaker 3: went through almost the full cycle. I guess it didn't
Speaker 3: kind of completely devolve into like you know, communism or
Speaker 3: something along those lines. Didn't completely perfect it, but damn near.
Speaker 3: But with that As I said earlier, we kind of
Speaker 3: had this weird point in time we're I guess it's
Speaker 3: like before we started I was kind of mentioned how
Speaker 3: I think we're an awakening inflection point, Like if a
Speaker 3: lot of things that are are common conversation now that
Speaker 3: five to ten years ago, like if you told you
Speaker 3: pass self this, you just be blown away that anyone's
Speaker 3: talking about this. Like I'm you know, before we started recording,
Speaker 3: we're talking about like child trafficking rings, and it's like
Speaker 3: like I've become so knowledgeable and that stuff in the
Speaker 3: past like year, and this is all stuff that I
Speaker 3: just like would never even have believed to existed. And
Speaker 3: this is like real stuff. These are stuff you can
Speaker 3: find receipts for. Uh and uh and people are starting
Speaker 3: to find people are really starting to pick up on
Speaker 3: pattern recognition and realize who these people are and that
Speaker 3: these are the elite, that these are the people. These
Speaker 3: are the lizard people that are pulling the strings or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them, and uh, they are
Speaker 3: the rat that is in our you know, that hangs
Speaker 3: up at the tippy top, the ones who controls us
Speaker 3: uh and uh, it just is I'm just kind of curious,
Speaker 3: is you know, with you know, the the the the
Speaker 3: constant theme here being cyclical stuff. Was there something along
Speaker 3: those lines too with Rome? Was there a time where
Speaker 3: you know, the populace really started just to be realized, like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are these things that are above us?
Speaker 4: I had this conversation with with Shane Cashman the day
Speaker 4: too about like, I'm I'm like that friend that believes
Speaker 4: every conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm I'm that if you if.
Speaker 4: You have that, So I'm I'm that crazy friend, right
Speaker 4: like and like and like and but a lot of
Speaker 4: them right, But I'm saying, like ten, fifteen, twenty years ago,
Speaker 4: I was crazy and now I'm just like really cool.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how it's to putting me. I'm
Speaker 1: like vindicated in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: But anyway, if you want to look at in my
Speaker 4: opinion that the time that kind of mirrors most what
Speaker 4: we're seeing in Rome with what we're first what we're
Speaker 4: seeing now. Obviously, history doesn't repeat directly. It's not like
Speaker 4: that that map in the mall you walk up to,
Speaker 4: this says you are here. It does rhyme in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways. I look at the third century quite
Speaker 4: often So the third century is you know, the two hundreds.
Speaker 4: So after one ninety three computist who's the son of
Speaker 4: Marcus Aurelius dies. He is not killed in the arena
Speaker 4: by someone named Maximus. That doesn't happen, but great movie anyway,
Speaker 4: though he's They try to kill him multiple times and
Speaker 4: finally succeeded the last time. They convinced his girlfriend the
Speaker 4: poison him doesn't work, so they give them too much
Speaker 4: poison and too much wine, so he throws up. They
Speaker 4: eventually kill him by having a wrestler strangle him, and
Speaker 4: even Edward Gibbon the Road to Decline involved the Roman
Speaker 4: empires say says, this is like the moment when Rome
Speaker 4: starts to go on that slow grinding collapse, which is
Speaker 4: going to take a while to get there because you're
Speaker 4: looking at almost two hundred years. But in the third century,
Speaker 4: what starts to happen is there's the rise of this
Speaker 4: type of emperor, like a new type of emperor. They
Speaker 4: call them the barrack emperors. Men that ruled just because
Speaker 4: they have enough military power. And the way that you
Speaker 4: get power is you pay the military and you build
Speaker 4: a bigger military. So each general has their army declare
Speaker 4: them emperor. So you have all of these guys saying
Speaker 4: I'm emperor, I'm emper, I'm emperor, and you have them
Speaker 4: enlarging the armies. Well, Rome had just been through a
Speaker 4: plague not too long before that in the one sixties.
Speaker 4: They'd lost ten percent of the empires. They'd lost a
Speaker 4: lot of fighting men, and they have to bring in
Speaker 4: barbarians to start fighting in the in the legions. They'd
Speaker 4: always fought alongside the legions and something called the Roman auxiliary.
Speaker 4: But they're brought into the regular legions. And the first
Speaker 4: these barrack emperors is a guy named Septimius Severus. He's
Speaker 4: from North Africa, and what he ends up doing is
Speaker 4: he starts this process of basically debasing currency. So what
Speaker 4: they would do is clip pieces off of coins and
Speaker 4: add other metals to coins, so it would kind of
Speaker 4: like look the same or way close to the same,
Speaker 4: but it didn't have the same metal content. So then
Speaker 4: he doubles the salary of these new legions that aren't
Speaker 4: even fully Roman. And that's going to create a problem
Speaker 4: now where each successive emperor is going to raise the
Speaker 4: pay of the legions, raise the size of the legions
Speaker 4: and the military is massive. The amount of money they
Speaker 4: need to pay them is massive, but the money isn't
Speaker 4: worth very much by the time you get down the road.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, we started this process at one ninety
Speaker 1: three AD.
Speaker 4: By the time you get to two eighty four AD,
Speaker 4: the inflation rates about fifteen thousand percent and the silver
Speaker 4: coin has about five percent actual silver content. So what
Speaker 4: you've really done is you've had immigration gone wild, you've
Speaker 4: had inflation gone wild, and you've had kind of just
Speaker 4: a weak person trying to control this empire and not
Speaker 4: very much going on. So to me, I think that
Speaker 4: parallels a lot because you also have to consider one
Speaker 4: of the biggest problems that Rome had that no one
Speaker 4: seems to talk about is the Praetorian Guard function very
Speaker 4: much like a deep state in the way that the
Speaker 4: praetorian Guard, responsible for protecting emperors killed seventeen of them
Speaker 4: and replaced them with men that they wanted to be
Speaker 4: on the actual throne. So you know, you have to
Speaker 4: look here, So we're good well because even like you
Speaker 4: look at look at Trump, like he tries to do
Speaker 4: a lot of things last time, and what do they
Speaker 4: do but take his take his legs out from under him,
Speaker 4: and and that's what you see happening.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: JFK says he's going to do something with the money,
Speaker 4: he's going to get rid of the CIA, and what
Speaker 4: do you know they offer him. So I think it's
Speaker 4: it's a very similar problem to what we're seeing in
Speaker 4: a lot of ways, though it's you know, not exactly
Speaker 4: the same. I think it would be fun to see,
Speaker 4: you know, like Adam kinsing or raising an army and
Speaker 4: attacking you know, Ted Cruz or something like that.
Speaker 1: That might be fun.
Speaker 4: But we're not having people raising armies and attacking each other.
Speaker 4: We are, however, seeing a very weak central power controlled
Speaker 4: by a deep state, with a rising inflation rate and
Speaker 4: a rising illegal immigration rate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, I mean there's a there is a
Speaker 3: lot there. Uh yeah. I mean we aren't at the
Speaker 3: point where they're raising armies or stuff. And I don't
Speaker 3: even know if we will get there. And then where
Speaker 3: we're at either uh I guess, you know, I guess
Speaker 3: the the next thing, the next major thing that's happening
Speaker 3: right now is a you know, as I said, this
Speaker 3: will you know for general population, this will come out
Speaker 3: on Friday on the twenty fourth, uh for most people.
Speaker 3: So this will be you know, the Friday, it'll be
Speaker 3: Monday before this that that Trump you know, get inaugurated.
Speaker 3: So we're at a weird inflection point. We're at a
Speaker 3: Biden's leaving. I mean, I think we're you know, as
Speaker 3: we said before, you know, just a minute ago, but
Speaker 3: kind of like the idea of like five to ten
Speaker 3: years ago, telling form yourself what's going on, just the
Speaker 3: president itself telling former self that the what's going on
Speaker 3: with Biden? You know, just like the state of our
Speaker 3: nation in regards to our president that you would watch.
Speaker 3: Like I'm at the point where I see him give
Speaker 3: a statement and I'm just like, holy fuck, that's awful,
Speaker 3: but like it's not even like a it's not even
Speaker 3: like a big deal.
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of like that one where he's talking
Speaker 4: about the president of Mexico and being in the Middle
Speaker 4: East and everything, and it's like, wait, did he just
Speaker 4: did he just that just happened?
Speaker 1: What just happened?
Speaker 3: And no one even cares there We're just like I
Speaker 3: don't care, Like no one cares. We're just at the
Speaker 3: point where it's like whatever he's going, like it's just
Speaker 3: an accepted thing that he's just like, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a perfect metaphor for what America is right now. But
Speaker 3: then we have in the wings Trump coming along. I
Speaker 3: mean a lot. This is kind of dependent on time.
Speaker 3: So I mean we have this, we also have that
Speaker 3: kind of just the other day, and you know, this
Speaker 3: could be completely fall apart by the time this episode
Speaker 3: goes public. But we had this theoretical you know, you know,
Speaker 3: ceasefire over in Gaza.
Speaker 1: I mean, Iiden came out and took credit for it too,
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 3: Which I mean, no one, no one took that seriously.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone took that seriously. I think that
Speaker 3: most people are seeing Trump do. And I'm someone who
Speaker 3: was very pessimistic about where he's coming from with Israel.
Speaker 3: If he I kind of if he proves me wrong here,
Speaker 3: I'll be delightfully proved wrong because I mean, Jesus, it
Speaker 3: is it is much needed respite for both sides. This
Speaker 3: is this thing. It's really I know, everyone wants to
Speaker 3: make this a you know, anyone who's against that going
Speaker 3: on there, like hates Israel or Jews or something. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know, on both sides of this thing. I think
Speaker 3: this is good. You're gonna get hostages back hopefully, you know,
Speaker 3: people are gonna get aid. The the violence will stop,
Speaker 3: the killing will stop. That's all that matters is the
Speaker 3: killing will stop. As Trump himself said on the campaign trail,
Speaker 3: and this is a reference to you rush in Ukraine,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, Hey, I just want the killing
Speaker 3: to stop, and like that's I feel like that's where
Speaker 3: people should be like, and that's what I want. And
Speaker 3: I mean I think maybe we're we may be seeing
Speaker 3: an optimism of uh that. I mean, obviously I can
Speaker 3: go into the weeds because I mean I listen to
Speaker 3: anti war dot Com like every day, so I know,
Speaker 3: you know, the ins and outs. I mean I know that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, the promises of ending Russia Ukraine in the
Speaker 3: first day have already been walked back and now they're saying,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll have a deal with the first hundred. But
Speaker 3: the idea, the idea is there, the feeling is there,
Speaker 3: the hopefulness is there. That's kind of what matters at
Speaker 3: this point in time.
Speaker 4: And on the military front, I'm not that hopeful though,
Speaker 4: because I listened to Judging the Polaitanos Show a lot,
Speaker 4: so it's like I'm often you know, like the anti
Speaker 4: war dot com guys are on there a lot, so
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't know many we just need to
Speaker 4: like we need to stop funding all foreign wars. I
Speaker 4: don't care who it is, and it needs just we
Speaker 4: just need to worry about here. Like I think that's
Speaker 4: the thing we really need to get our attention on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which seems to be I don't know what talks
Speaker 3: are being had behind the scenes, but it seems to
Speaker 3: me the impression I'm getting from this this deal is
Speaker 3: that the very least Trump wants it to happen, And
Speaker 3: it seemed, my guess, maybe there's some sort of conversations happening.
Speaker 3: They've already said they were his a his Israel envoy guy,
Speaker 3: I forget his name, he was the one handling this.
Speaker 3: But point being is there's stuff happening, There's moving and
Speaker 3: shaking's happening. It seems optimistic in many ways. I mean
Speaker 3: you obviously me and you you listening up on Napolitano
Speaker 3: you know better, I guess, just kind of thoughts. Do
Speaker 3: you see any parallels between this and Rome? I mean,
Speaker 3: is is there other times where we went from some
Speaker 3: ineffectual leader to some bright new possible savior on the horizon.
Speaker 3: Not that I think he's that. I think he also
Speaker 3: could very well be a emotiona anti Grace type character too.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of different ways this could go.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he's always flooded himself as being
Speaker 3: the most Zionist president there is. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: you know, this whole this peace deal thing though kind
Speaker 3: of flies in the face of that. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know where we're going with this. The lot
Speaker 3: can change, obviously is super and they are just kind
Speaker 3: of curious just thoughts have we seen in history anything
Speaker 3: similar to this? I mean, although Trump is a unique son.
Speaker 4: Of a bitch, you know, it's it's tough because, like
Speaker 4: I said, history like doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways. And I've had so many
Speaker 4: conversations with this that people try to, you know, place
Speaker 4: Trump at the time of the Catalan Conspiracy, or the
Speaker 4: time at the fall the Republic, or you know, in
Speaker 4: the time of the Later Republic, and I think or
Speaker 4: that later Empire. I think there's so many different things
Speaker 4: you could look at and you could see, but I.
Speaker 3: Think it time traveling Trump since Sitcom.
Speaker 4: That would be that would be pretty amazing. But to me,
Speaker 4: I think I think that the bigger point is, like,
Speaker 4: is monetary policy, right? I think that's the thing that's
Speaker 4: the problem. So you know, you look at what happened
Speaker 4: in Weimar, Germany. You know, you look at what happened
Speaker 4: to England after the pound crashed, You look at a
Speaker 4: lot of these different things. I think to me, it's
Speaker 4: less about the person and who's in charge and more
Speaker 4: about the winds of economics going behind things. Because when
Speaker 4: countries don't have a currency that's trusted, used and traded
Speaker 4: or something people have a lot of faith in, you
Speaker 4: don't really have a country anymore. And I think that's
Speaker 4: the real concern because even look at like the EU, right,
Speaker 4: the biggest reason a lot of these European countries aren't
Speaker 4: able to just do what they want is because some
Speaker 4: other economic body controls their economics and tells them how
Speaker 4: much their dollar is worth. Well, you can't tell me
Speaker 4: the economy is the same in Hungry as it is
Speaker 4: in Italy as it is in France. No, those a
Speaker 4: different countries, different regions, different types of trade. So to
Speaker 4: tell them they all have to use the same dollar
Speaker 4: where that takes away their sovereignty as a country. And
Speaker 4: I think, to me, that's the bigger thing I look
Speaker 4: at is economic policy and what's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, you're definitely right. It does all flow
Speaker 3: from money. I mean, hell you, I know a lot
Speaker 3: of people. I mean, you really do need to dig
Speaker 3: deep into economic not you, but like just rhetorically speaking
Speaker 3: to people out there to really get a grip on it.
Speaker 3: Like hell, even I mean, I mean I can get
Speaker 3: super autistic when it comes even like things like morality
Speaker 3: is just like that's simply the difference between a high
Speaker 3: time preference behavior or a low time preference behavior. That's
Speaker 3: all it is.
Speaker 4: That's a good point though, because that is something you
Speaker 4: see in the later Empire, but not in the way
Speaker 4: that people try to talk about it, because people talk about, oh,
Speaker 4: it's debauchery and weird sex and all these different things.
Speaker 4: And they had that in the Middle Empire. By the
Speaker 4: time Rome falls, it's actually a Christian empire. But the
Speaker 4: way that you have to look at the morality issue,
Speaker 4: the morality issue is so for example, in the two seventies,
Speaker 4: Rome had fallen into three pieces. This guy and an
Speaker 4: Urelian comes in, puts the whole thing back together, and
Speaker 4: his reward, somebody kills him. So what ends up happening
Speaker 4: is every time you get a good leader who's worthy
Speaker 4: of the office, somebody kills him, and that ends up
Speaker 4: being the actual problem is you don't have people worthy
Speaker 4: of leading a country and leading it to and leading
Speaker 4: an empire to successfully sustain itself because somebody keeps killing them. Like,
Speaker 4: this is the problem that keeps going over and over again.
Speaker 4: By the time you get to the emperor that's going
Speaker 4: to succeed, sorry, it's like a tongue twister succeed a
Speaker 4: really in his name's Tacitus. He's an old man. He
Speaker 4: doesn't even want the job. He's like, please, don't make
Speaker 4: the emperor. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be emperor. And it gets to
Speaker 1: the point where people don't even want the title.
Speaker 3: Are you implying there's some sort of entity throughout time
Speaker 3: that's often good good, not just fucking with you? I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe you are, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe what is the I don't think it's that far
Speaker 4: of a shot, Like I don't know if it's the
Speaker 4: same entity again and again, But I do think groups
Speaker 4: like that do arise.
Speaker 1: I do think that. I do think that's true.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at the Bavarian Illuminati in seventeen
Speaker 4: hundreds that come up, so like, I'm not I don't
Speaker 4: know that it's always the same group, but I do
Speaker 4: think people tend to organize in the same ways.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess that makes a fun little question. I
Speaker 3: mean with that was kind of just being silly, little
Speaker 3: tongue in cheek, but I mean maybe there is something too.
Speaker 3: Have you seen any sort of and especially looking at
Speaker 3: something like Rome where it's gone through eras and we
Speaker 3: can look back in time at it now, have you
Speaker 3: seen things in there that are kind of conspiracies that,
Speaker 3: do you know, last generations something like that, like a
Speaker 3: Bavarian Illuminati or something that would transcend multiple administrations or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, or empire that could
Speaker 3: have been responsible for say something like that, like the
Speaker 3: multiple assassinations of different emperors or something like that. If
Speaker 3: you looked into that of the things that were kind
Speaker 3: of famous that were maybe secret societies or something of.
Speaker 4: The like of that time, we really only already touched on,
Speaker 4: like the Praetorian guard side of things, which to me,
Speaker 4: that would be the only thing I would really be
Speaker 4: familiar with. Like, you know, obviously there's all sorts of
Speaker 4: different worship cults in Rome. You know, there's there's Soul
Speaker 4: in Victus, which becomes something in the later Western Empire,
Speaker 4: which is a thing. But Rome often brought in the
Speaker 4: religions of the people they conquered, and it would become
Speaker 4: since they're polytheistic, all these different religions are permitted, though
Speaker 4: it takes until three twelve with the Edict of Milan
Speaker 4: for them to actually make Christianity legal, which is kind
Speaker 4: of interesting. They're polytheistic, but they don't permit religions that
Speaker 4: are monotheistic, which is quite interesting. But if you look
Speaker 4: at it, to me, I think that the best example
Speaker 4: really is the Praetorian Guard. They're responsible to protect the emperor.
Speaker 4: They were Augustus's spec show elite military unit, and over
Speaker 4: time they start deciding who's going to be in charge.
Speaker 4: You know, it starts with Caligula, who's the third emperor,
Speaker 4: and he may or man up being crazy. In my opinion,
Speaker 4: I think he was the ultimate troll. If you really
Speaker 4: look at what he does. He was very anti Senate,
Speaker 4: So everything he does was just to make the Senate
Speaker 4: feel bad and embarrass them, and they take that as
Speaker 4: a slight and they talk about perversion and all this
Speaker 4: other crazy stuff. I think he was just the ultimate troll.
Speaker 4: But he's the first one that they managed to kill
Speaker 4: him and replace him with his stuttering uncle Claudius. And
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, that's gonna happen somewhere around seventeen different times.
Speaker 1: Now, those are the ones we know about, right.
Speaker 4: You got to imagine that there's other things that happen
Speaker 4: or occur that we aren't actually able to trace to
Speaker 4: the Guard that have to do with them. But the
Speaker 4: praetorian pre fact of the man in charge of the
Speaker 4: guard was the most powerful man role. If the new
Speaker 4: Gladiator movie the uh was it Denzel Washington that's in
Speaker 4: that movie, isn't his character Macrinus, that's the guy that
Speaker 4: wants to actually be emperor and take over Caraclla's spot.
Speaker 1: He was a praetorian prefect. That was his actual job.
Speaker 4: And there are several praetorian prefects that managed to get
Speaker 4: the emperor killed like Machrinas and replace them with himself.
Speaker 4: So it is something that happens very very often. And frankly,
Speaker 4: if you want to look at another thing that's a
Speaker 4: little bit strange, the group that was in charge of
Speaker 4: the grain supply in Rome was also in charge of
Speaker 4: intelligence gathering because the grain supply people would be the
Speaker 4: most widely traveled, right because they got the grain from Egypt,
Speaker 4: so they would be traveling all across the Empire to
Speaker 4: get things. They'd be finding information as they were there.
Speaker 4: They're also responsible for making sure people get grain in
Speaker 4: different territories. So you would stop there, you'd find out
Speaker 4: all the talk that was happening at that area, and
Speaker 4: you would report back to Rome and let them know
Speaker 4: what's happening. So if you want to see anything close
Speaker 4: to intelligence, believe it or not, the people that were
Speaker 4: basically in charge of the grain supply would be most
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild. You mentioned earlier Wymar Republic, and this
Speaker 3: is actually thought I had earlier before you and talked
Speaker 3: about this just kind of the idea of the different
Speaker 3: rises and falls and the cyclical nature of things. And
Speaker 3: obviously people frequently bring up the Ymar Republic, and you know,
Speaker 3: the idea of like the level of decadence and kind
Speaker 3: of bauchery and things fell part and then for no
Speaker 3: reason at all, Like that's obviously like the racist joke
Speaker 3: that people always using them for no reason at all.
Speaker 3: And then and then obviously then you know, then along
Speaker 3: came Hitler, along came other stuff after that, and you know,
Speaker 3: the obviously and then for no reason. All that joke
Speaker 3: obviously implies that, you know, it has something to do
Speaker 3: with the Jews, which is what they obviously came to
Speaker 3: the conclusion of. And so I think there's something to do.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ask you about the new question. My
Speaker 3: point the the the point. The point here is the
Speaker 3: idea of a populist getting essentially wise to some sort
Speaker 3: of bullshit, getting sick of the nonsense of whatever X
Speaker 3: thing is, and finally getting to a point to where
Speaker 3: the collective consciousness has raised the point where they are
Speaker 3: beyond the point of realizing there's a problem. And now
Speaker 3: they're at the point of realizing they need to do
Speaker 3: something about the Now they may haven't, they may have
Speaker 3: misidentified the problem, but they think there is a problem
Speaker 3: and they are ready for acting on said problem. Uh.
Speaker 3: And then so we see this frequently. We usually it's
Speaker 3: a scapegoat and and uh, you know, as we mentioned
Speaker 3: the the the.
Speaker 4: Shape, well the Roman Empire was, the Roman Empire was
Speaker 4: often the Christians, like you know, like you know, think
Speaker 4: things aren't going so great. I guess we'll have to
Speaker 4: do something about the Christians again. Like it happens quite often.
Speaker 4: You know, it happens with with Emperordisus in two forty
Speaker 4: nine and two fifty. Uh, it happens in in uh
Speaker 4: in sixty four after the Fire of Rome. When when
Speaker 4: neuro starts having Christians killed in the two in the
Speaker 4: late two eighties, you're gonna have Diocletians having Christians killed.
Speaker 4: So so they were kind of the group that often
Speaker 4: most often got blamed. But frankly, man, the regular Roman
Speaker 4: people weren't literate enough to know and and their life
Speaker 4: wouldn't have changed that that much. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe after the Roman time period you could see kind
Speaker 4: of more of a groundswell of people deciding like, hey,
Speaker 4: this group is a problem. But it wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: in this time period. It wouldn't have been a popular idea,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, because people just weren't well educated enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. Well, is there any other any
Speaker 3: other things about Rome, particularly that you feel like you
Speaker 3: wanted to touch on today, whether it be to my
Speaker 3: audience or just in general, like what would any thing's been,
Speaker 3: you know, itching at your mind lately that I you
Speaker 3: feel like maybe I should have asked that you want
Speaker 3: to talk about anything like that? Your your choice.
Speaker 4: Well, I just I just think it comes back to
Speaker 4: handling currency, man, Like, if we can do something about that,
Speaker 4: we can actually handle things now. I know Ron Paul's
Speaker 4: talked about it for years that the person that handles
Speaker 4: it is not going to be very popular, right because
Speaker 4: it's we're so far over our skis. It's gonna hurt
Speaker 4: for a really long time until it feels better. So
Speaker 4: I think that is one thing you regularly got to
Speaker 4: take a look at. I think it's funny too, though,
Speaker 4: that people don't really understand all the things related to
Speaker 4: Rome that are still a big part of your life
Speaker 4: and you don't even realize it. Like the word inauguration,
Speaker 4: we have that coming up in a few days. It
Speaker 4: comes from the word augury, which is the science of births.
Speaker 4: So basically, if Romans wanted to make a decision, they
Speaker 4: would look at the sky and be like what the
Speaker 4: birds say? Oh, you know, seven's a good number. I
Speaker 4: like seven birds. I think it's a good day to
Speaker 4: do that. All right, we're gonna, according to the augurs,
Speaker 4: we're gonna make a decision. Or they would take the
Speaker 4: liver out of an animal. They would cut it open,
Speaker 4: they take look at the liver, and there's actually charts
Speaker 4: online you can see what the different parts of the
Speaker 4: liver meant. But they would look at the liver and
Speaker 4: decide if it was a good omen or a bad omen.
Speaker 4: These are what augers did, which is where the where
Speaker 4: inauguration comes from. I don't know that we're looking at
Speaker 4: bird signs anymore.
Speaker 1: I hope not.
Speaker 4: But it has to do with the day someone takes office,
Speaker 4: or the idea of carrying your wife across the threshold
Speaker 4: afud get married. It's like that like classic thing of
Speaker 4: like oh honey, we're home, We're going to carry you home.
Speaker 4: It actually comes from the first king of Rome, Romulus,
Speaker 4: who him and a bunch of criminals actually create the
Speaker 4: state of Rome. They don't have any men, and he
Speaker 4: doesn't have anybody that's upstanding to do it with, so
Speaker 4: they actually kidnap a local women from a local tribe
Speaker 4: called the sabines, and it's called the rape of the
Speaker 4: Sabine women. They take all these women into their homes
Speaker 4: against their will and basically decide to their wives. That's
Speaker 4: where the idea of carrying your wife across the threshold
Speaker 4: comes from.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things having to do with
Speaker 1: culture that we do every single day which have been
Speaker 1: very ingrained in us for a long time that we
Speaker 1: just really don't know where they come from, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them come from Rome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is it's been great talking to you today, Jeremy.
Speaker 3: If you could let my audience know where they could
Speaker 3: find you, we'll go ahead and get you out of
Speaker 3: here and we'll maybe we'll shoot the shitt a little
Speaker 3: bit after we're done recording.
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