WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.199 No Way, Jose. 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.719 The following footage proves beyond any doubt that the tanks 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:22.160 intentionally set the house on fire. It proves that the 4 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:38.920 Branch Davidians were murdered. You can see that this tank 5 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.679 has a gas jet on the front that shoots fire. 6 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:50.719 You can also see the fire quite plainly. The tank 7 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.280 goes into the house twice and each time as it 8 00:00:53.320 --> 00:01:19.640 backs out, the fire at the gas jet is plainly visible. 9 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:26.120 We must all do more to recognize and look for 10 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:31.000 the early warning signals that deeply troubled young people send. 11 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:36.120 Hey guys, it's Jose Galison. This is no Way Jose. Tonight. 12 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.280 My guest is Jeremy Slate. 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I highly 46 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:04.599 recommend that. Well, with that, let's go and get Jeremy 47 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.000 in here and get to it. What's up, man, How 48 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:06.319 you doing? 49 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.159 Hey man? Thanks for having me so to be hanging out. 50 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.439 Yeah, it's a long time coming. You've been kind of 51 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:16.840 kind of been on the radar for a while. I think, No, 52 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:18.360 I don't know, And I think maybe it was one 53 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.319 of the tim cast times you came shortly after me 54 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.319 or something. We've we've almost crossed paths a few times, 55 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.319 we've been in similar spheres, So it's kind of been 56 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:28.960 a long time coming that some point, and I think 57 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.360 I kind of swooped to you a kind of a 58 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.879 great time to kind of have this conversation. As I 59 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.080 kind of mentioned in the intro, we're at a weird 60 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.680 time on Monday. I mean, obviously these episodes get paywalled, 61 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:41.400 so patrons, you know, this makes sense for you, for 62 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.439 people who are watching this in the future, you know 63 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:47.120 it'll be it'll you know, Monday, you know it'll be 64 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.199 Monday in the past for you. Monday in the future 65 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.599 for us is when when Donald Trump is coming in 66 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.719 and Biden's going out. So we're kind of at a 67 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.560 weird transitionary state. So I figured maybe there and we 68 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.919 can look to history for some sort of examples. But 69 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:02.680 I mean, before we get into that, Jeremy, I guess 70 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.120 if you could let my audience know a little bit 71 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.159 about you, kind of what you're about, kind of why 72 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.280 I would bring you on for a conversation like this. Yeah. 73 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.800 So my master's is in the Roman Empire. 74 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.360 I studied why people worship the emperor and how Augustus 75 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.319 was able to set up a system where people basically 76 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.920 worshiped him. He likely didn't believe and of the propaganda 77 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:25.480 he was saying, but he was just smart enough to 78 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.759 know how to use it to control people. And what 79 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.199 I do day to day is I run a company 80 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.319 called Command Your Brand. We are a pr and firm 81 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.480 for the podcast space. We've been doing that since since 82 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.120 twenty fifteen and typically live in New Jersey. But right 83 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.240 now I'm in Hollywood. So it's been an interesting few 84 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.160 weeks of breathing smoke and seeing flames coming out of 85 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.040 the side of mountains and yeah, that's me right. 86 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:49.519 Well, I guess I could dig in that a little 87 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.879 bit on the fires. What's that about, Is there is 88 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.720 any sort of reason you're over there over in Hollywood 89 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:56.839 or I mean, I don't know, if you've got some 90 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:58.839 sort of project you're working on or something. I don't know. 91 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.439 I a house swap with a friend that always wanted 92 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:02.879 to live live in a farm, so I live on 93 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:03.879 a farm in New Jersey. 94 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:05.600 So I'm out here in LA. 95 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.639 And I thought it would be, you know, just kind 96 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.439 of go to Hollywood for a bit, but apparently when 97 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.279 I arrived here, I came here in September and we're 98 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.360 staying for the month or so. But it's been interesting, 99 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.240 to say the least. The homeless people are special kind 100 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:20.680 of crazy out here. I got to say that I've 101 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:24.279 encountered at least two with swords and I did getting 102 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.480 on the the the one on one highway the other 103 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:29.560 day put out a fire on the side of the road, 104 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.959 a brush fire that so I guess somebody had started. 105 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:33.639 And it's been a wild experience out here. Man. 106 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.240 Okay, Well, as you said, your thing is Rome. So 107 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.040 I guess kind of just start with I mean, we 108 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:41.920 were talking a little bit before, and I kind of, 109 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.399 as I said, I said in the beginning, before we 110 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.759 even started this kind of don't know shit about Rome. 111 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:48.360 I kind of know what we learned about in high school. 112 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.879 I kind of know that there's you know, they always 113 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.120 will bring up Rome as an example of there's parallels 114 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.120 between our governmental systems. You know, this is where democracies, 115 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.800 but this is what they we're told in school. I mean, 116 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.120 I'm sure maybe other entities had it before then, but 117 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:04.120 I guess that's probably one of the most popular entities 118 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:07.439 that had something along that. Probably when we look to empires, 119 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.079 this is what we're gonna look to as well. So 120 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.360 this comes up frequently, and you know, kind of an 121 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.000 empire rising and falling, which is kind of where we're 122 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.319 at right now. So there's a lot to be said 123 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.160 about that. But I guess I guess to challenge, I 124 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.720 just kind of give a breakdown, I guess of Rome. 125 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.000 I guess it is a general breakdown. What kind of 126 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.800 time frame are we talking about with Rome? I know 127 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.920 this sounds really pedantic, but most people, I feel like, 128 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.480 probably don't even know the minor details of Rome at all. 129 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.000 So I mean even just backing up and going, oh, 130 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.839 these are the general details about what Rome is, what 131 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.160 kind of governmental systems that had throughout the times, and 132 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:43.040 et cetera, et cetera. 133 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.600 Well, no, I think that's really important because honestly, like 134 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.199 I've been having these conversations for the past year and 135 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.839 a half and really the thing I'm finding is when 136 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:53.279 I started this, I was kind of like, oh, I 137 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.680 think people see these comparison points to Roman where we 138 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:57.480 are now. And the thing I found out Jose is 139 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:59.800 it's not that people don't see the comparison points. 140 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:01.079 Most people don't even know what Rome is. 141 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.600 They just kind of think it's like a TV show 142 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.120 that was on HBO like twenty years ago, or you know, 143 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:08.360 Julius Caesar was the first emperor, which he wasn't. So 144 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.480 if you look at Rome, it's essentially three eras in time. 145 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.560 It's a kingdom first, then it's a republican, then it's 146 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.079 an empire, and empire is kind of that like final stage. 147 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.040 It's about five hundred years in time that we talk 148 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.160 about most often. But at the same time, our government 149 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:29.439 is based largely off Rome's Republic, which the Romans and 150 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.160 Greeks like to fight about who had the idea of 151 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.600 democracy first. That's why the Romans say they had it 152 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.480 in five h nine BC and the Greeks say they 153 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.000 had it in five oh eight BC, and that's why 154 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.000 they kind of fight about who had it. But if 155 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.560 you want to look at what Rome is, initially, it's 156 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.480 founded in seven fifty three BC by a guy named Romulus. 157 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.279 He may or may not have been real because when 158 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.040 Romans didn't know, you know, why they do certain things, 159 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:55.560 you know, why do we have these traditions, why do 160 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.720 we do these certain things? What it's because Romulus created it. 161 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.240 So there's a history and I've been reading for you years. 162 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.759 His name is doctor Mary Beard, and she talks about 163 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.879 you know, is he this mister Rome character, this person 164 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:07.600 that they don't really know who to attribute all these 165 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.000 things to. So they kind of just made him up, right, 166 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.920 Like they kind of just made him up and you know, 167 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:12.639 kind of been like. 168 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.079 Uncle like Uncle Sam happened upon this the stretch of 169 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.519 land and we called the United States. Yeah, exactly. 170 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.839 So traditionally he's the first of the seven Kings of Rome. 171 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.000 He's actually the least likely to have existed. The final 172 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.879 king is a guy named Tarquin the Proud, and he's 173 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.320 taken out of power by a guy named Brutus. A 174 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.840 little foreshadowing that's gonna be the same family that's gonna 175 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.960 take out Julius Caesar way down the road. But that's 176 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.279 in five oh nine when it ceases to be a 177 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.600 kingdom monarchy. 178 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.200 And then then it is a republic and then demand right. 179 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.279 But not monarchy, like not monarchy like you would think monarchy, 180 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.840 you know, like not we're not like King Charles type 181 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.360 of stuff. Like we're looking at like remember the movie 182 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:54.960 Brave Heart and kind of how the warlords had like 183 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.360 these little like places they lived. It would have been 184 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.919 more like that. It would have been like more feudal 185 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.799 systems warlords. They didn't live in stone buildings, not. 186 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.960 A constitutional monarchy, and the monarchies of today aren't really 187 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.200 even monarchies whatsoever, Like right, yeah, yea. 188 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.039 So yeah, they would have they would have they would 189 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.000 have lived in huts, they wouldn't have had any stone 190 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.720 buildings or anything like that. So then it becomes a 191 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:22.799 republic in five oh nine. The Senate is this advising 192 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.519 body that was meant to originally advice king, so that 193 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.039 carries over from the kingdom to the Republic. But essentially 194 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.320 the republic is a system where there's two people that 195 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.200 are the main people in charge and they're in charge 196 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:33.559 for a year. 197 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:34.600 They're called the consuls. 198 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.200 There would be an election every single year where they 199 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.639 would decide who these new two people are and their 200 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.799 dating system. They actually marked the year by who the 201 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.399 two guys are in power, so like the consulship of 202 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.240 Galisson and Caesar would have been, you know how it 203 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.559 would mark the year and that would how they decide 204 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:57.320 what it is. They also have a basically a track 205 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:58.840 you would go through if you're going to get into 206 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.200 political office. You would hold your first political office at 207 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.879 thirty five and you would go through something which is 208 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.039 called the courses and orum. Many different political office you 209 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.480 would go through until you could ever be console. So 210 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.519 there's a lot of tradition to it. Rome didn't have 211 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.279 a written constitution. It was basically just all this is 212 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:17.759 the way we do it. They called it the most 213 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:22.399 mayoram or the ways of the Ancestors, and that's essentially 214 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.480 the system but now when you think of a republic, 215 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.720 it's in a lot of ways very oligarchic, if that 216 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:35.039 makes sense, because there's about ten to fifteen percent of 217 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.159 the population that could actually read, and of the Roman population, 218 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.399 if you want to look at the class breakdown, the 219 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.080 two classes that we see are thetisi, the patricians, and 220 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.080 the plebeians. The plebeians being the poorer people. The patricians 221 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:50.320 were about ten to fifteen percent of the population, So. 222 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.480 You get things like people say, you plead correct the 223 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:54.639 expression comes from ausum. 224 00:10:54.679 --> 00:11:00.320 Yeah, So there wasn't really much representation of plebs. There 225 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.679 is an office created later on called the Tribune of 226 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.399 the Plubs, but many times that office could also be 227 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.159 held by a patrician, so go figure. They didn't actually 228 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.320 have any representation. So it really ends up being, you know, 229 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.519 it's much more i guess even than the empire is, 230 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.360 and it's more even than the kingdom is, but it's 231 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.039 still really an oligarchy. 232 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.120 Of the rich in a lot of ways. So that's 233 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:23.120 the republic phase. 234 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.159 Now, the last one hundred years of the republic, which 235 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.080 is one thirty three to thirty one, you have what's 236 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.960 called the Roman Revolution and Basically what this is is 237 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.759 rich people fighting out in the public sphere for who 238 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.879 gets to be in charge. The guy that comes out 239 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.440 on top is Julius Caesar, but he comes out on 240 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.399 top in a way that he ends up dying. 241 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.320 He is assassinated in a. 242 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.799 Forty four b SAT and in his will Mark Antony 243 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.440 expects to expects to be named his heir, but it's 244 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.120 not him. The person that's named his air, that gets 245 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.559 his name is a guy named Gaius Octavius. He's going 246 00:11:57.639 --> 00:11:59.720 to take the name Augustus, and he's going to be 247 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.600 the person that's going to create what becomes the Roman Empire. 248 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.879 The Roman Empire is going to last from somewhere around 249 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:07.600 there's the dates of the beginning of the dates to 250 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.120 the end are argued about somewhere between thirty one BC 251 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.519 and twenty three BC and ends somewhere around four seventy 252 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:16.159 six AD. 253 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:17.840 Is kind of that empire phase. 254 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.879 Now, the Eastern Empire, which is we modernly call the 255 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.320 Byzantine Empire, doesn't actually get that name until the sixteenth 256 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.159 century because historians wanted to figure out a way like, well, 257 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:29.360 how do we show the differentiation between it between it 258 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:32.200 and Rome? Since it's very Greek. But the Eastern Empire 259 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.519 would have lasted until fourteen fifty three, after they're split 260 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.159 in the early three hundreds. 261 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.000 So the Eastern lasted longer, lasts a lot longer. 262 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.080 Okay, yes, but it's now it's very different. 263 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:45.399 It was more Greek and Greek. 264 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.600 It's more Greek, and it would have been very different structurally, 265 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.720 as you know, compared to how the Western Empire function. 266 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.679 But it is essentially they would have called themselves Romans. 267 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.320 Yeah, because the Romans, I mean, this might be getting 268 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.080 a little bit off tractive overview, but the Romans kind of, 269 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.879 you know, in their stage of empire. From my understanding 270 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.559 is they wouldn't completely try to root out the culture 271 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:10.440 of an area they took over. They would kind of 272 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.600 incorporate it. So it would make sense I would assume, 273 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:15.879 I mean, I mean, I'm kind of just making a 274 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.879 lot of assumptions here. The Greek the area lasted longer. 275 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.519 I would assume they sort of subsumed some of their 276 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.440 prior governmental systems and maybe in some ways that fusion 277 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.000 maybe made it a little bit more robust. I don't 278 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:30.720 know any thoughts. I'm just that's the only thing I 279 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.240 can think of is that maybe they kind of like 280 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.799 institution the institute their forms of governments, and that kind 281 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.840 of set them apart or something along those lines because 282 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.200 they were at more like city type states I believe 283 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.320 in that type of area so well. 284 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.679 Though a lot of those So if you want to 285 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:47.000 look at like Greece is essentially an older society than 286 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:52.039 the Roman culture, and but then it outlives them too, 287 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.320 which is kind of funny. But if you look at 288 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.639 how how Greek culture goes, kind of the high point 289 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.159 in Greek culture is the three hundreds and four hundred 290 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:03.840 s BC. It's kind of a exists, but it's not 291 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.840 doesn't exist in anywhere near that that high period, and 292 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.519 in the like around three I think it's like three 293 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:12.840 fifty eight or something like that. It's it's actually conquered 294 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.600 by Philip the Second of Macedon the Macedonia who's the 295 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.679 father of Alexander the Great, so it becomes kind of 296 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:23.679 a subservient culture of Alexander the Great. So after his conquests, 297 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:29.159 Alexander conquers much of Europe, much of Asia Africa, but 298 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.919 doesn't live long enough to really rule this empire he 299 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.799 puts together, so his generals actually break apart this empire. 300 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.480 There they're called the Dia Docoi or the successors of Alexander. 301 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:41.840 They break apart his empire. And what's going to happen 302 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.519 is over time, Rome is going to gradually take in 303 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.120 these these empire states and they're going to become part 304 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.720 of the Roman kind of Roman area of things. You're 305 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.399 going to have, like there was a king that actually 306 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.039 wills what's left of his Hellenistic kingdom to Rome before 307 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.600 it becomes an empire. But during the empire phase they're 308 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.559 going to bring in a lot of these other areas 309 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.240 that are the last ones to survive is the total 310 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:12.519 Maic kingdom, which is where Cleopatra would have been. So 311 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.200 that comes in around thirty one, which is around that 312 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.840 Battle of Actium when it becomes an empire. So it 313 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.320 is absorbed, but that culture is going to stay part 314 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.480 of the Roman Empire. So a lot of Romans would 315 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.759 have not just spoken Latin, they also would have spoken Greek. 316 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.919 You would have spoken Greek if you were more cultured. Now, 317 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.639 I guess, looking toward the other side of things, the 318 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:33.879 reason that I think the Eastern Empire survives a lot 319 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:36.879 longer is they handle monetary policy a lot better than 320 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.879 the Western Empire. The thing that they do. I had 321 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.559 a long conversation with Clint Russell about this about it 322 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.960 vas what comes back to economics, because if you look 323 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:51.720 at it, the thing that Constantine does, he becomes emperor 324 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.519 in three twelve, and in three fourteen he starts minting 325 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.960 gold coins and he's going to do a few every 326 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.879 year until he dies in three thirty seven, and he 327 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.559 forces people to pay taxes in gold so that they're 328 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:05.039 not hoarding it, which is something that happened in the 329 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:08.039 Western Empire. And because of that, that currency is going 330 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.440 to last until about the year one thousand, which is 331 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.200 about the time of the great Great Schism. I think 332 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:13.840 it's like ten to fifty three is a great schism 333 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:19.840 till about then you're going to have a money that 334 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.519 goes without inflation, which so that's one of the reasons 335 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:24.200 that the Eastern Empire survived so long. 336 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.519 And it also would have been more like it would 337 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.360 have been closer to what medieval kingship looks like. 338 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.720 If you want to look at how the Eastern Empire 339 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.320 would have looked in relation to what the Roman Empire 340 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:36.960 would have looked like. 341 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.279 Well, that I guess kind of brings it back to 342 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.320 even the next point I wanted to kind of get at, 343 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:43.080 and then I don't even know if this is really 344 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.240 the point for conversation so much as an observation this show, 345 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.279 especially when the show started out as being far more 346 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.360 of like a theory show. I mean, I don't assume 347 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:51.759 you know much of the show. The show has become 348 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.879 more of like a parapolitics conspiracy show over time. Started 349 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.279 as more of like a you know, a political theory, 350 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:58.519 but really at the end of the day, it's just 351 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.480 my podcast. That's whatever the fuck I want to talk about. 352 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.559 But it's become more more conspiracy over time. But it started 353 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.079 as more theory, and so a lot of people have 354 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.000 been falling along know my positions on things. No, I'm 355 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.480 at heart an anarcho capitalist libertarian, I mean not talk 356 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:13.920 about all the time because I just find it kind 357 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.799 of kind of gay, but like you know that that 358 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.599 is where I'm coming from. So I do believe that 359 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:23.720 I am am a Hopian in the sense that and 360 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.039 that I do believe monarchy is is preferable to democracy, 361 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:31.079 and then like and anarchy is preferable to monarchy. So 362 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.680 I'm actually that's like, that's my hierarchy. So it is 363 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:35.559 kind of funny that which I don't even know. I 364 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:37.519 don't assume you to have this take at all, and 365 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.680 you know these are my positions, but it is kind 366 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.200 of And then typically the breakdown of governments is as 367 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.359 presented here by Rome. In this situation, we have a 368 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.960 monarchy that then becomes a republic that then becomes a 369 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.599 democracy essentially, you know. And then obviously before a monarchy, 370 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.559 there was anarchy essentially, so you can kind of look 371 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.240 at as like a cycle. So it is kind of 372 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.480 funny that we know, Rome is this country that we 373 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.799 typically use as a as a a pair more of 374 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:07.200 cyclical things. And now you know, literally even here, even 375 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.200 in the forms of government, kind of goes through a 376 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:13.960 traditional form of monarchy republic then uh than into democracy. 377 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.920 So and then I'm assuming I would assume you probably 378 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.240 could tell me that democracy may have gone to gone 379 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.000 a little bit out of control in some places and 380 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.680 gone into almost direct democracy. I'm assuming you're more of 381 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.319 a constitutionalist type guy, so you're probably familiar with the 382 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:31.680 arguments against direct democracy and the like. Sure, and is 383 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.160 that is that something that did find a root in Rome? 384 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:35.599 Or not. 385 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.279 That wasn't really a thing in Rome. It is something 386 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:39.839 that happens a lot more in Athens. If you ever 387 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:41.759 get a chance to look into the to the tyrants 388 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.240 of Athens, they only have like pure democracy I think 389 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:45.200 for like twelve years. 390 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.559 So I never fully went to the cycle of director 391 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.400 because then it falls into communism, and then it doesn't. 392 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:52.400 It isn't It isn't even that it falls into communism. 393 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.160 It falls into like like that. 394 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.119 The word tyrant actually comes from these guys that were 395 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.720 that were basically ruling Athens. It falls from democracy right 396 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.680 in the anarchy pretty quickly. And this this this word 397 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.599 they use for their monarchs as a tyrant. And I've 398 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.160 often looked at it as kind of like the life 399 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.000 cycle of government. If this makes sense, Like, yeah, you 400 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.079 can look at it as a republic kind of disintegrates 401 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.119