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<v Speaker 1>Hi, listeners, this is Emily at Morbidology. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>invite you to listen to a special preview of a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new true crime podcast that I think you'll really enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Below the Surface from ab Jack Entertainment, the

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<v Speaker 1>team that brought you the amazing DNAID Campus killings, Missing Persons,

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<v Speaker 1>the Murder in My Family and more. It's hosted by

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<v Speaker 1>established Australian podcaster Olivia McKenzie, the co host of True

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Society. In every episode of Below the Surface, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear about a new fascinating case with one common theme,

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<v Speaker 1>a water connection. In this preview of episode one, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear about the mysterious case of Kim Wall, a journalist

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<v Speaker 1>who went for a ride as a guest on a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine and was never seen again. You can listen to

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<v Speaker 1>episode one Kim Wall in the entirety right now. Just

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<v Speaker 1>search for Below the Surface on your favorite podcast player

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<v Speaker 1>or app. If you like the show, you can also

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<v Speaker 1>listen to episode two, which is out now. I'll include

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<v Speaker 1>links and other info for Below the Surface in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for checking out this special preview of Below

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<v Speaker 2>the Surface, the new podcast from Abjac entertainment that brings

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<v Speaker 2>you fascinating cases with the water connection. I'm your host, Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to play this short preview few of episode one.

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<v Speaker 2>Today I'll be unpacking the case of journalist Kim Wall,

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<v Speaker 2>best known for her articles in The Guardian, The New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times and Vice. The journalist disappeared in a submarine

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<v Speaker 2>beneath the Orison straight after interviewing inventor Peter Madson on

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<v Speaker 2>August tenth, twenty seventeen. We can only speculate what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>happened below the surface, but upon the submarine's resurface, Kim

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<v Speaker 2>was missing and Peter Madsen was not. To listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the full episode, search for Below the Surface on your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite podcast app. You'll also be able to check out

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<v Speaker 2>episode two, which is out now as well. Be sure

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<v Speaker 2>to subscribe to Blow the Surface so that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>miss a single episode. Thank you for listening. Let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Born in nineteen eighty seven, Kim Ware grew up with

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<v Speaker 2>her parents and her older brother Tom in the tiny

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<v Speaker 2>town of Trellabori in the south of Sweden. Her parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Ingrid and Joachim were both journalists. Ingrid in finance and

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<v Speaker 2>economics and Joachim in photography. Their children's lives were filled

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<v Speaker 2>with newspapers every morning as the family ate breakfast. Kim

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<v Speaker 2>often accompanied her mother to interviews and assignments as a child,

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<v Speaker 2>so nobody in the family was surprised when Kim announced

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<v Speaker 2>that she wanted to be a journalist someday too, but

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<v Speaker 2>not the kind that her parents were. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>go places and write stories about the people nobody else

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<v Speaker 2>bothered to pose questions too. As a teenager, Kim's family

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<v Speaker 2>and friends described her as extremely driven and very impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing stopped her, and even after she met her goals,

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<v Speaker 2>she simply moved on to new ones. She never took

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<v Speaker 2>time to sit on her laurels. After high school, Kim

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<v Speaker 2>studied at the London School of Economics before getting her

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<v Speaker 2>masters from the prestigious School of Journalism at Columbia University,

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<v Speaker 2>where she graduated with honors at the top of her class.

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<v Speaker 2>In the years after Kim obtained her masters, finding work

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<v Speaker 2>with particular network or company proved almost impossible, as most

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<v Speaker 2>reporting networks were no longer hiring full time journalists. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>these companies searched for freelancers who had already written articles

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<v Speaker 2>and paid them for their rights to publish their stories.

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<v Speaker 2>While this wasn't the most financially stable life, it worked

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<v Speaker 2>for Kim. She went on to freelance for some of

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<v Speaker 2>the world's most popular media outlets, including Vice, The Guardian,

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times, and even the South China Morning Post.

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<v Speaker 2>One of her friends later told the BBC what made

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<v Speaker 2>her journalistic abilities so exceptional was that she looked for

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<v Speaker 2>quirky stories, but with a bigger narrative. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>stories Kim focused on circled around subcultures, gender, and issues

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<v Speaker 2>in social justice. While her interests were vast and she

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<v Speaker 2>traveled frequently and wrote about her experiences in other countries,

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<v Speaker 2>her stories were always incredibly topical and allowed her audience

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<v Speaker 2>to see a deeper message beyond the reporting. She was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly skilled at digging deeply into her interviews, and she

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<v Speaker 2>never lost the humanity of her subjects the more she

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the more she traveled. By the age of thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>Kim had literally traversed the globe, interviewing everyone from voodoo

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<v Speaker 2>priests in Haiti to individuals identifying as vampires and gang

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<v Speaker 2>members of China's Tumil Tigers. She was quick witted street

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<v Speaker 2>smart and always prepared. Her friend Katerina recalled Kim, explaining

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<v Speaker 2>that she carried a photo of her and her parents

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<v Speaker 2>in her wallet when she traveled. This wasn't because of

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of emotional connection, but as a security measure

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<v Speaker 2>in case she got kidnapped. Katerina explained that's just who

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<v Speaker 2>Kim was. She was never afraid, always aware, and never reckless.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd interview anyone, but was always able to keep charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation with her Swedish bluntness and her carefully

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<v Speaker 2>placed decisions. That's how she got reclusive and shy people

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to her. It was also how she'd won

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<v Speaker 2>a fellowship with the International Women's Media Foundation to report

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<v Speaker 2>on Uganda and Sri Lanka. She'd also lighted a commission

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<v Speaker 2>to write a feature article for Harper's magazine. But the

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<v Speaker 2>world was not enough for Kim. There was always another

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<v Speaker 2>story to be told. So in twenty seventeen, when she

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<v Speaker 2>walked past a warehouse in Copenhagen belonging to the Rocket

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<v Speaker 2>Madsen's science lab, she saw a potential story. Kim had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that this would be the last story she

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<v Speaker 2>would ever tell. In August of twenty seventeen, Kim and

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<v Speaker 2>her partner, Danish designer Ulla Stobi, were packing up their

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<v Speaker 2>apartment to move to Beijing in China. After almost a

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<v Speaker 2>decade of traveling the world and living in places for

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<v Speaker 2>less than three months, Kim and Ulla had decided to

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<v Speaker 2>settle permanently in Beijing to build a life together. But

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<v Speaker 2>as they walked through their Danish neighborhood a few months

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<v Speaker 2>before their departure date, Kim noticed a warehouse that had

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<v Speaker 2>escaped her previous notice. On the side of the building,

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<v Speaker 2>Rocket Madsen's space lab was painted in large letters. Some

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<v Speaker 2>cursory research informed her that RMS Labs, as it was

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<v Speaker 2>more commonly known, was a company for do it yourself

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<v Speaker 2>rocket and submarine projects. Its founder, Peter Madson, who was

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<v Speaker 2>often referred to as the Danish Elon Musk, was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a celebrity in Denmark. He was a self proclaim

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<v Speaker 2>in entrepreneur who focused his engineering skills on ocean exploration

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<v Speaker 2>and space travel. In two thousand and eight, he made

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<v Speaker 2>headlines by inventing and building his own submarine, called the

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<v Speaker 2>UC three Nautilus. Peter was very keen on public interviews

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding his inventions, especially after going on to partner with

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<v Speaker 2>former NASA contractor Christian von Benksten. Together they formed Copenhagen Suborbitals,

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<v Speaker 2>which they described as a collective of amateur rocket makers,

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<v Speaker 2>funded by donations and working with the aim of launching

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<v Speaker 2>a manned rocket into space. Despite the co op dismantling

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen due to disagreements between Madsen and his

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<v Speaker 2>fellow engineers, Madsen went on to create his own company,

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<v Speaker 2>RMS Labs. Kim was enamored with Madsen's story. His world

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<v Speaker 2>was so removed from that of most people. Getting his

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<v Speaker 2>take on submarines and rockets was exactly the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>article Kim would be able to pitch to a media outlet.

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<v Speaker 2>But for all that Peter Madson liked the press, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a difficult man to get an exclusive interview from.

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<v Speaker 2>It took Kim several months before she was able to

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<v Speaker 2>schedule an interview with Peter, but on August tenth, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>only a few days before she was due to leave

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<v Speaker 2>Copenhagen for good, Madsen finally agreed to not only give

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<v Speaker 2>her an interview, but a ride on his famous submarine.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim was ecstatic to get such an opportunity, and Ulla

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<v Speaker 2>walked her down to the dockyard. At around seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>She shook hands with Madsen and bought it the nautilus.

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<v Speaker 2>Ulla snapped a photo of Kim waving from the top deck,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he went home to get ready for the

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<v Speaker 2>going away party that the couple were throwing to say

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye to their Danish friends. Kim's interview was only supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to take around two hours, and then she said she'd

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<v Speaker 2>joined Ulla at the party. By the time if Ulla

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<v Speaker 2>returned to their apartment, Kim had texted him I'm still alive,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, but I'm going down now. I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>he as she meant Peter Madsen bought coffee and cookies,

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<v Speaker 2>though Ulla texted her back and went to prepare for

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<v Speaker 2>the party. By the two hour mark, Ulla expected to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that Kim was coming home, but his phone remained silent.

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<v Speaker 2>He texted her for an update, and he got no response.

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<v Speaker 2>By midnight, Kim hadn't returned, and Ulla and their party

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<v Speaker 2>guests were getting increasingly worried that something had gone wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with the submarine. When there had been no word from Kim.

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<v Speaker 2>By one forty five am, Ulla contacted the police to

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<v Speaker 2>report Kim missing. Authorities and harbor staff were contacted to

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<v Speaker 2>locate the Nautilus, but since the sub had no satellite tracking,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody could get in contact with Madsen to find out

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<v Speaker 2>if something had gone wrong. Local police and the harbor

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<v Speaker 2>staff watched the water all night for any sign of

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<v Speaker 2>the submarine, but the waters remained empty, at least until

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<v Speaker 2>ten th am. The next morning, the drought and Lighthouse

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<v Speaker 2>of Koha Bay reported that the Nautilus had been spotted.

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<v Speaker 2>Something was definitely wrong with it, though as rescue helicopters

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<v Speaker 2>tried to get in contact. As the subbury surfaced, Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Madsen blew through the top hatch, waving frantically at nearby

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<v Speaker 2>fishing boats. Four fishermen were able to pull Madsen to safety,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was alone. There was no sign of Kim

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<v Speaker 2>wall The fishermen sowed Madsen into Drauerport, where both police

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<v Speaker 2>and the media were waiting for him. Madsen was immediately

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for Kim's disappearance, and the Nautilus was resurfaced and

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<v Speaker 2>searched by investigators. They were hoping against hope that Kim

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<v Speaker 2>was still on board. Somewhere, but the sub was empty.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nobody else on board. Only Madsen knew the

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<v Speaker 2>truth about Kim. Could they get him to tell it?