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Speaker 2: Jeff Fuller ESPN, the fan contributor, man of metrics, and
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Speaker 1: How the heck are you? Jeff?
Speaker 3: Hey doing great? Ben?
Speaker 4: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome as well. Appreciate you joining us to
talk some metrics today. And I want to lean into
some of the data you've been pulling recently. And you've
posted it on x the ten most overrated team since
twenty twenty AP preseason versus whose final poll figures who
are the most overrated teams in college football during that
time span? And what was the reason for deligan to
the data this time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, with the final A People coming out,
I have a running tally of sort of did you
start ranked, did you finish ranked? In the A People
and sort of tracking that ever since they started doing
preseason rankings back in nineteen fifty in the A People.
And you know that's one of the things that you
know BYU's pops at the top of the list. I
guess we're really good at people underestimating us. I guess
is the best way to sort of phrase that that
Uyu is consistently over pretty much every time period that
you look at seventy five years, fifty years, ten years,
twenty years, UI's the most underrated. You know, we end
up ranked more often than we start ring, more than
any other team. But this analysis was a little different
because I didn't just look at you know, the sort
of binary are are you ranked or not?
Speaker 4: Yes or no?
Speaker 3: This was you know, where did you start in the
rankings and where did you end? And it wasn't you know,
a perfect, super clean way to do it, because if
you either started, rinked, or ended ranked, I just automatically
gave everyone a rank of thirtieth in the nation. You know.
Obviously some finished in top of others receiving votes and
should have officially been you know, twenty six or twenty seventh,
and others, you know, like Clemson, were six and seven
and didn't get a single vote in the poll, but
started pre season number two, I think, but so, but
like Clemson there, they would have started with a ranking
of three but ended with a ranking of thirtieth because
they didn't end up ranked. So I'd give him a
thirty and that would be minus twenty eight points in
this system, and so looking over the last six years,
so since since twenty twenty, LSU was the number one
most overrated team Clemson Penn State. Actually don't have it,
and I'm driving in my car now, I probably I
should should I'm not going to look at my phone
while I'm driving, but I'm able to talk. But do
you do you have it up there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me let me pull it up really quick. Yeah,
you mentioned.
Speaker 4: LSU, USC was on there. I recall was.
Speaker 2: Like Wisconsin, Texas and Penn State USC, Florida, Oklahoma UNC
and UH and Oregon.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: So out of those teams, what's what stands out to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean the first thing that stands out
is there's not a single current Big twelve team in there,
So you know, take that for what it's worth. You know,
for for whatever reason, most Big twelve teams don't get
a lot of preseason high but are in their way,
you know, higher in the rankings as well as we'll
see on the flip side of that top ten or
the bottom ten list of of what we what we're
talking about now, there's a top ten of the most
underrated teams. But the other things that pop out. I mean,
you got your blue blood brand bias. And even within
you know, most of them are obviously SEC and Big
ten teams, but there's I think, what was there two
or three ACC teams. We had Clemson, we had u
n C there, So yeah, there's there's there's for whatever reason,
teams in the East and in the sort of the
biggest two conferences tend to you know, the East or
the Southeast tend to tend to be a little more
overrated than teams out in the mountain time zones tend
to be. And then there's Organ in USC, which you
know they've they've always been on the little overrated side
and and you know Organ's had great results, you know,
especially recently, but earlier on in the in the last
six years, weren't weren't quite meeting their expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, uh, we know, by you severely underrated and
it's it is what it is, right, the most underrated
team in the Cottege football But uh, who are some
of the other teams in basketball and basketball?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 1: What's your theory? I know we've discussed this before. What's
your theory? Have you have you? Uh? I mean have
you gotten into it even deeper recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's sort of a perfect storm in the
wrong way. It's it's all kinds of conscious and uh
or subconscious and real biases that sort of get in there.
And I'm talking about not just you know, like a
religious bought by at a brand bias, but I'm talking
about like population, like the population of your state, the
time zone. Teams that are in the Mountain time zone
tend to get underrated quite frequently, and then religious schools
and private schools in general get a little underrated in
general compared to public schools. But you know, and then
BYU is a private religious school, so it's sort of
double one there. So it's sort of all of them
together that just sort of form a perfect storm, with
BYU of being underrated. You know, like Northwestern is one
of the most underrated teams. TCU is usually one of
the most underrated teams. So yeah, a lot of times
the private schools don't get quite the run and the
laudatory praise of AT voters either, you know, at least
in the preseason.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, it really is. Uh, you know, you
have these uh, these teams. It's picking it's picking helmets, right,
It's picking brands, is what they're doing.
Speaker 1: When will are we getting into an era?
Speaker 2: Okay, you look at the top most under right, top
ten most UNDERTTY teams b YU, Indiana, Ole, Miss, Tulane, TCU, Northwestern,
you to Boise State, Texas Tech, Houston. All these teams.
Most of these teams had good seasons. Indiana won a Nattie,
ole Miss was in the College Football Playoff and won
a game, right and uh and Tulane got to the CFP,
TCU Uh, you know, I think finished strong. Boise State
had their down down year, Texas Tech obviously went to
the CFP, Houston had a great season. This is what
makes me optimistic about the future of college football. With
the leveling, the evening out of the playing field, so
that the power brokers, the blue bloods, the ones that
have bought and paid for this power structure, the college
football cartel and cuball it can all come tumbling down
before our eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would love to see the day.
But yeah, I mean, preseason rankings are here to stay.
You know, we will gnash our teeth and whine and
moan about them, but you know, we love tonash our
teeth and wine and moan about them. So that's why
they exist, and that's why you know they're going for
something to talk about, something to you know, engagement Sodder.
I guess we could say, and you know, sometimes you know,
I don't. I don't think they purposely over rank or
under rank the team just just for clicks. But you
know there are these yeah, as you say, you know,
voting for helmets or logo, you know, logo brand bias.
That's a that's a real thing.
Speaker 4: And then it you know, goes into the the.
Speaker 3: Other biases that are important, the anchoring biases where we
we have these preseason teams that we picked that we
think are supposed to be good because as some combination
of you know, they're always good, or they ended good
and they're bringing this back, or they got these recruits
and no boys, they should just be monsters this year.
Usually your your blue bloods and your bigger brands and
your SEC teams are gonna sort of dominate with a
lot of that preseason height from from recruiting rankings, but
with anchoring bias, I mean, yeah, we expect these teams
to do good, so we rank them in.
Speaker 4: The top five.
Speaker 3: They may have to lose twice before they fall out
of the rankings. You know, they can be three and
two and have you know, three pretty unimpressive wins, but
still be in the rankings because they were expected to
be a top five team pre season. I mean, and
sometimes they end up being right, you know, like Notre Dame.
Weren't they one and two or two and two or
something early in the season, but still stayed in the
rankings and of course ended right there on the college
football bubble, and you know, maybe ABAP voters were right
to keep them there, you know, with those two relatively
close losses.
Speaker 4: But you know, other teams that don't.
Speaker 3: Have that big brand sort of don't have that luxury
and really have to sort of fight and claw and
impress people with either lop sided victories or you know,
just beating, you know, or upsetting some teams that they
they're just not supposed to be before they can even
break into the rankings. So it's you know, it's sort
of the haves and the have nots and the rich
get richer with the preseason rankings and the anchoring bias
that occurs from that.
Speaker 2: What is to be done? Jeff buller in order to
make it all right? You know, do we just throw
the eight people out of it all? Do we get
rid of it? Did we just say, hey, these guys
are credible, they never have been, they never will be.
Let's rid ourselves of this fodder.
Speaker 3: Ah, that would be great, But again I just explained
why that never gonna happen. We love it too much.
Even if we're going to whine and moan, we we love.
We love something to talk about and to beat our chest.
If you know, like, hey, we're going to be like, hey,
do I use preseason number twelve and the eight people?
You know, that's like maybe close to the highest ever.
I think by has never been a preseason top ten team.
I don't believe even after coming off the national championship year.
I think they were preseason number eleven or twelve or
something like that. So and again it looks like, you know,
yet again, b why you won't be in the preseason
top then even with a pretty you know, we're finishing
what eleventh or twelfth, and we're bringing back a lot
with a good recruiting class too. So I think if
we had a different you know, if we had some
longhorns on the side of our helmet or a golden helmet. Yeah,
we'd be you know, with what we're bringing back where
we finish, we'd be a top you know, three, four
or five team. Easy.
Speaker 4: But you know, they just don't expect you want you
to do.
Speaker 3: That or be that.
Speaker 2: So Jeff, but I think we need an article about
this published on ESPN the fan.
Speaker 1: That's what we need.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yep, I can.
Speaker 3: I can flesh out the data and yeah, you know,
the data goes back, you know, quite a ways. And
it's I think it's very convincing that you know, and
you know to some degree this, if you're always ranked
in the top ten preseason, it's hard to sort of overperform,
Like say you're ring number one preseason. You can't overperform that, right,
you have to finish number one to sort of to
be considered not overrated, And you cannot conceivably be underrated
when you start number one because you'd have to finish
number one, so you can only be overrated. So that's
sort of what the other side of the coin that
you know, some of these bigger brands or things like
of course underrated. We're starting you know, we're starting at
number five. It's hard to overperform.
Speaker 4: That too much.
Speaker 3: And if we have a horrible year, all of a
sudden we got this huge negative number. But when the
same teams keep popping up over every time period and
by big margins, you know, USC, Notre Dame, Texas, Texas,
A and M. You know, those teams consistently pop up
as being hugely overrated over just about every time period.
You look at Notre Dame less so over the last
ten or twenty years actually, but some of those other
teams are just always there. USC USC usc most overrated
team of all time.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man.
Speaker 2: Well, I think BA is in a good spot. BA
is in a great spot all things considered. Maybe they
can get over the hump. Maybe they can be you know,
you look at the national champions you know, the last
twenty years, it's hard to find a team anywhere near
the West coast that is competitive in that wincin Natty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's been a while trying to think,
was it Reggie Bush or no, excuse me.
Speaker 4: A Texas, Texas.
Speaker 3: And even I think USC's last national championship was uh,
I think wasn't it right before that year? Or right
after that year with Matt Leonard or something. But even that,
I think when there there were some some controversy, some
vacated wins or something. So some people even contest that
as you know, a national championship. But yeah, it's it's
it's tough to do for whatever reason. What's in the
playoff era CFP area era. It really you know that
geography shouldn't be a huge issue. But yeah, it may
just take time. Oregon's knocked on the door quite a
few times and never punched their way through. But hopefully
BUYU can get there and do it. It's a I
don't think we're quite there. I think we're you know,
I really wish we just do do what Texas Tech
did and overspend for a couple just elite key linemen.
You know, even you know, we got some great people
maturing through the program. But you know, if you get
one or two game wreckers on the defensive line and
a and a receiver who's just you know, an NFL
first round draft pick, you know, those those are a
couple of key pieces that all the all the top
teams tend to have, and I just I wish I
think we're just lacking a couple of pieces to break
through and really make noise in the playoffs. I'd love
to be proven wrong though.
Speaker 1: Well, which what do we miss it? What are you
what were you hoping for in the portal oh specific edge?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just a game wreaking defensive end. I mean,
we've we've got good deep D tackles, but no one
who you know, you think of like Domingan Sue or
elite Lee Hunter last year for for Texas Tech. You know,
you think of David Bailey for Texas Tech. On the edge,
you think of Baying for for Miami. You know, these
players that just couldn't be game changers, you know, and
sometimes it's just on you know, five or ten plays
through the game, but you know they're making you know,
wreaking hav a there. And then these receivers, you know
Indiana's receivers. You know, he got some first round guys there,
they're elite receivers with you know, I think we got
the quarterback who could possibly get us there. I don't
know if he's the tip top of the nation, but
he's he's definitely trending in that direction and I wouldn't
put it past him to take the next step and
uh yeah, I think we got I think we got
the skilled players except for maybe one elite receiver, you know,
just to stretch the field, you know, take it over
the top and then yeah, and then at defensive end
and maybe a defensive tackle that are just elite game wreckers.
Speaker 1: Would love to see it. You know. I think they
feel pretty stacked right now. But you wonder.
Speaker 3: I just know that's what I keep hearing, that they're
just they feel like they're stacked.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: I think there's lots of good talent and development. I
just I just don't think there's a first round draft
pick kind of guy game wrecker there, unfortunately. But I'd
love for them to prove me wrong.
Speaker 2: As I said, prove Jeff wrong. Let's go all right, Jeff.
We'll always appreciate our time. We'll be looking for that article.
We got to make this thing go viral. The tweet
is picking up steam. I saw a number of high
profile Twitter users quote it, talk about it, So we
got to keep this up. It's the college football offseason,
this is the time, this is the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, we appreciate it. We'll do all right, Ben.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I always appreciate our time, our favorite vitrio retinal surgeon,
our favorite ophthalmologists. He got out of clinic and came
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Cougar football. That's what I love about my guy, Jeff Fuller.
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