WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.000 They showed up in force or a fiery face off 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:09.960 in the heart of Hollywood. Two opposing groups of demonstrators, 3 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:15.960 pro Palestinian and pro Israel disrupted a star presentation ceremony 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.320 on the Hollywood Walk of Fame this Tuesday. That's because 5 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:26.120 the recipient was wonder Woman, herself Israeli actress Gal Goodote. 6 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.600 It takes wonder Woman to help us get through this, 7 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.840 so please come up on to the stage. The Dote 8 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.960 also stars as the Evil Queen in the newly released 9 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:38.640 version of Snow White. 10 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:43.280 You know, I really don't remember you being this opinionated. 11 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.240 In her speech, she avoided politics and did not acknowledge 12 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.920 the commotion outside the tent, which shielded her somewhat from 13 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:58.119 the growing tension around her. Standing here today on this street. 14 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.359 Fifteen years ago we came here and we were. 15 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.359 Driving by this boulevard. 16 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:04.719 Who would ever. 17 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:13.400 Get the long awaited honor tarnished to a degree, Godote 18 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:17.560 has been an outspoken advocate for her native country, denouncing 19 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:21.319 the deadly Hamas attack on Israel on October seventh of 20 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:26.680 twenty twenty three. Now, escalating conflict in the Middle East 21 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:41.120 is leading to growing confrontations here in southern California. 22 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:48.560 Welcome the Struggle Session. On today's episode, superstar journalist Taylor 23 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:53.159 Lorenz joins us to discuss earned events, Gala Gadeo's acting 24 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:58.200 League of Wars, Insecure Group, tats, all that and more. 25 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:04.799 On today's Struggle set, Taylor tell me about user Mag. 26 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.879 Yeah, so, user maag is my substack. It's usermag dot 27 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:12.120 co and it comes out usually two to three times 28 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.120 a week, unless it's busy, in which case it comes 29 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.560 out more. It's a newsletter about sort of everything happening 30 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.840 on the Internet. It's about how the Internet is affecting politics, business, 31 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:22.479 and culture. 32 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:27.439 Positively, is mostly how it's affecting everything, right, Yeah. 33 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.759 It's so great. Yeah, it's not super dark. I write 34 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.280 a lot about like Internet cultures and communities, and so 35 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.599 a lot of it is about like weird internet phenomena. 36 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.680 But then a lot of it ends up being politics too, 37 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:41.319 which is the more dark stuff, I guess lately, because 38 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.039 the Internet has not been so great for our political 39 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.319 system in some ways. In other ways it has been. 40 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.120 I write a lot about free speech and free speech. 41 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:51.960 Issues related to free speech, and they need to preserve 42 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.400 free speech online, so I care a lot about that topic. 43 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.360 Yeah, So the topics we're talking about today some hot 44 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.439 topics in the news that deal with all those issues, 45 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.360 you know, free speech, the internet, what's hot on the internet. 46 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:07.879 One thing that a lot of people are talking about, 47 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.159 and then is right up the struggle session alley, something 48 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.319 that we've been talking about for a while. There's been 49 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:18.240 a brand new hit piece put out on a young 50 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:23.919 actor who has upset some executives in Variety magazine. And 51 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.120 we've covered this topic a few times when it happened 52 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:31.240 to a Fisher and a couple other people. But it's 53 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.240 this recurring pattern and it's usually involved a journalist's named 54 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:39.919 Tatiana Siegel who wrote this article title Inside Disney's Snow 55 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.960 White Fiasco, death Threats, beefed up Security and the social 56 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.840 media Guru for Rachel Ziegler. Now, from that title, you 57 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.400 think it might be about how Rachel Ziegler had to 58 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:56.240 deal with, you know, death threats and had needed beefed 59 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:01.800 up security because of her outspoken this relatively speaking about Palestine. 60 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.039 But no, no, that's not what the article is at all. 61 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.560 Yeah, the article is hit piece is a great word 62 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:10.360 for it, and I don't use that word lightly because 63 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:12.599 I hate when people call things hit pieces where it's 64 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.319 just critical reporting. But this article just attacks Rachel Ziegler. 65 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.720 As you mentioned, it's written by this journalist who has 66 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.000 a history of carrying water for bad people. She has 67 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.639 basically whambasted others for speaking out against Palestine. She's run 68 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.079 cover for a lot of sort of like Ziona's propaganda 69 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.040 frankly in the media, and now this article there, Yeah, 70 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:34.680 they're they're basically trying to make an example of Rachel 71 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.800 Ziegler and sort of chastise her for speaking out. They 72 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.800 talk about how she's like unhinged online and had the 73 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.040 gall to say free Palestine and you know. 74 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:47.240 That, yeah, and literally like that, like literally I'll read 75 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.800 from the article, so to lay out the context a 76 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.000 little bit. Snow White is the latest big flop in Hollywood. 77 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:55.959 It colls a bunch of money, it end up not 78 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.240 making that money back, and the blame game starts, and 79 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.720 this one in particular is focused on this the one 80 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.480 actor in this movie, and it's a ridiculous attempt to 81 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:12.279 blame her one or two tweets mentioning Palestine for this 82 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.920 movie not being popular or successful, when there's plenty of 83 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.959 other reasons why it wouldn't be and I had literally 84 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.319 not heard of this at all until after the movie 85 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:22.879 came out. 86 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:25.839 It's framed as as she's the problem because she called 87 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.600 attention to a free Palestine in a single tweet. Never 88 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.680 mind that gal Gado co stars in the movie, who 89 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:36.480 is a very vocal Zionist. She's an Israeli actress, you know, 90 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.800 served an IDF. Like so many people didn't want to 91 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.600 see the movie because of that, and didn't want to 92 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.759 support the movie because of gal Gudo's open support for Israel. 93 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.000 Yeah. On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, three days after 94 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.079 Rachel Ziegler hit the stage at Disney's the twenty three 95 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.959 Fan event to introduce the first official official trailer of 96 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.720 Snow White, she thanks supporters effusively in that ex posts 97 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.399 for driving the teaser to one hundred and twenty million 98 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.480 views in twenty four hours. One minute later, she added 99 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.560 an afterthought in the same thread and always remember free 100 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:16.399 Palasti that addendum, which amassed eight point eight million views, 101 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.439 which is like not that, which is much much less 102 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.480 than you know, people who saw the trailer, Yeah, quickly 103 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.639 made the rounds and the Disney executives. The story continues 104 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:31.399 or were completely upset about it. Mark Platt, who we 105 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.839 can talk a little bit about him. He's a producer 106 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.879 of this film. He's a long time Disney producer. Disney 107 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:40.319 executive raised the studio's concerns with Ziegler's team, while the 108 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.879 film's producer, Mark Platt flew to New York to speak 109 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.079 directly with her over just the tweet. But she apparently 110 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.680 did not back down, as she did not delete for 111 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.160 her the tweet, which is awesome. I love that, but 112 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.800 it's so bizarre, like this one little line when at 113 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.800 when we've talked about on the show before what once 114 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.319 October seventh happened, dozens and dozens of celebrities making these 115 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:11.399 explicitly like genocidal comments and posts you know completely will 116 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.120 have been completely beyond the pill before then, none of them, 117 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.720 basically none of them faced any sort of repercussions. In fact, 118 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:21.920 their careers have improved. I think Jenny Nicholson, the guy, 119 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.600 the woman who's married to the guy who fucked the pie, 120 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.480 an American pie, like they have like a cut like 121 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.240 a movie, like a TV movie show on TBS now 122 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.040 like after her making like like you never get punished 123 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.399 on that side. But this one little tweet prompted Mark Platt, 124 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.920 and this is not the first time this producer has 125 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.120 done something like this. He tried to get Boots Riley 126 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:50.879 fired from his agency because Boots Riley is outspoken about Palestine. 127 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.560 He he did, He's he's gone on his son's podcast 128 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.600 and talked about the fact that he goes and like 129 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:01.480 confronts actors on like on the set of Wicked if 130 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.600 they were tweeting about pre Palaestinde and explaining to them, why, 131 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.639 actually that's you know, you don't have the full context 132 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:10.759 and you don't understand. 133 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.480 Several members of the Wicked cast, including Ariana Grande, Cynthia Rivo, 134 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.000 Bowen Yang, have been active, at least online in their 135 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.759 opposition to Israel artists for a ceasefire. As someone who 136 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:27.279 cares so much about your professional relationships and the product 137 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.560 you're making on set, how do you navigate that. 138 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.639 I talk to people, and I think that particularly in 139 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.240 those instances, people are told that something is about something 140 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.039 in a very reductive way, and it feels like who 141 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:49.440 doesn't care about innocent right tragedy, innocent civilians? Nobody wants 142 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:54.480 No decent human being wants any suffering in humanity from 143 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.720 decent people. What happens in instances is individuals ascribe their 144 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.200 names to something where they're not being completely informed, and 145 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.200 the messaging to them is they're. 146 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.360 Suffering here, right, we have to speak out for suffering. 147 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.480 The message doesn't include there's also suffering over here, or 148 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.039 they're suffering that was prompted or instigated by an act 149 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.720 of terror or an act of evil, or there's a 150 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.200 terrorist group in place that wishes for the annihilation of 151 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.000 a whole group of people that gets left out of 152 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.240 the conversation. And so my way of Lillians is when 153 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.279 the moment is right, is to have that conversation. 154 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.320 So this is like a producer who goes around places 155 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.600 his foot on a scale, but that's not the story 156 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.200 and variety. The story is that he was forced to 157 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.519 do this, you know, he had to go out of 158 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.759 his way because he just hates And it frames it 159 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.000 like Ziegler is the one who's politicizing this while all 160 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.360 the politics that everybody else is doing is just how 161 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:58.440 it's supposed. 162 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.799 To be exactly. Yeah, and that's what makes it such 163 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.919 an incredibly biased article. And it's just been so disturbing 164 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.919 also just to see the reaction to it, and the 165 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.679 way that the right has really come for her. I 166 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.240 mean this, as you mentioned, the headline is talking about 167 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.279 death threats. It doesn't talk about the hate and abuse 168 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.440 and targeted harassment that Rachel has received for speaking out. 169 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.279 It actually frames gal Gado as a victim, as if 170 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.279 gal Gado is a victim at all. Galgado is the 171 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.960 one pushing this genocidal rhetoric against Palsenians. 172 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.360 She was the idea of Souldier. I think this fair 173 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.279 game for her to be criticized. But the article says 174 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.679 behind the scenes, death threats towards Ziegler's co star gal Gado, 175 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.320 who is Israeli. I guess which is a protected class 176 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.720 now spiked and Disney had to pay for additional security 177 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.879 for the mother of four. She didn't. This is a 178 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:53.279 quote she beating. Ziegler didn't understand the repercussions of her 179 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.840 actions as far as what that meant for the film 180 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.320 for gal for anyone says one insider again, well. 181 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:04.240 How it's an anonymous It's always the anonymous insider. Who 182 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.440 the heck is the inside or some random person that 183 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.840 Tatiana called up. There's no attribution, and this is the 184 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.879 hallmark by the way of bad reporting, and what so 185 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.080 many bad reporters do, Like so many of these bad, 186 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:19.360 lazy media reporters, especially entertainment reporters. They know, I mean, 187 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.399 David folknflicat NPR is a perfect example of this. Same 188 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.720 with Dylan Buyers at PUCK. You know, these are people 189 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.240 that make a living publishing false information and lies and 190 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.399 and framing stories and manufacturing controversy. And what they do 191 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.960 is they sort of rely on these anonymous sources. And 192 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.080 you know, insiders say da da da. Of course it's 193 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.080 never attribute there's no attribution. It's like, okay, well, if 194 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.120 you're an insider, say it, like and why are you 195 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.080 granting these people anonymity to shit talk their colleagues. You 196 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.000 grant people anonymity when they're in danger, when they are 197 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.360 revealing state secrets or something. You don't just grant anonymity 198 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.759 because so you want to anonymously allow somebody's colleague to 199 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.159 shit talk them. But that's the standard today in journalism. 200 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.159 I mean, that's unfortunately what these outlets accept as journalism 201 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:08.120 because it's not about journalism, it's not about reporting, it's 202 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.840 about pushing a narrative at all costs and it's about 203 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.080 punishing anybody that speaks truth to power, which is what 204 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:14.759 Rachel did. 205 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:15.120 Yeah. 206 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.720 Absolutely, Like I love that you mentioned like the standards 207 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.440 for when you provide anonymity and how this does not 208 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.759 apply at all, Like like Takiana Seagulls specifically will say, 209 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:29.960 like an anonymous executive, why would you grant an executive 210 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:34.919 from any sort of anemy. He's not under threat. You know, 211 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.960 today they're usually talking about, like complaining about like actors 212 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.600 like Ray Fisher or Michelle Barrera or you know, all 213 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.799 actors and workers are crashed in these media hit pieces 214 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.279 that don't seem to serve any news purpose other than 215 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.600 it pleases the sources of Tatiana seagull And obviously these 216 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.919 are important sources to have if they're literally top executives 217 00:12:58.919 --> 00:12:59.600 in Hollywood. 218 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:00.000 Wait. 219 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.159 Yeah, but it's also like she doesn't care about the 220 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.320 top executives in Hollywood that are going to speak out 221 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.360 on behalf of Rachel. It's just about pushing a narrative. 222 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.799 And again that's what these lazy entertainment journalists and media 223 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.799 journalists do. They have a narrative in their head. They 224 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.039 want to manufacture controversy, and they want to punish and 225 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.879 stigmatize anybody that speaks out, and so they will make 226 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.519 these unsourced sort of stories basically that grant people anonymity. Now, 227 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.679 by the way, what they say like an insider or 228 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.679 an executive, it's probably not even what you and I 229 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.519 think of as when we think of as an insider 230 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:38.559 an executive. This could literally be an executive you know, 231 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.240 in the entertainment industry that has absolutely no knowledge, that 232 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.480 has never even worked in the movie business, but is 233 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.720 an entertainment executive and they have thoughts to share. We 234 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.600 don't know anything again, because they are not explained or 235 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:51.840 not giving any context. But I think that lack of 236 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.200 that context is very telling because if this was an 237 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.519 executive that was directly involved with the project, they would 238 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.080 say that, or if this was an executive that had 239 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.200 knowledge of the project, they'll say that. But like, I 240 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.399 just think they use all of these terms that make 241 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.679 you think that it's they've spoken to somebody that actually 242 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.200 has knowledge of a situation when they haven't. 243 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.200 Yeah, and one other thing I want to mention before 244 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.039 we move on from this about gal Gado because we've 245 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:18.600 kind of covered her, but in this article she's described 246 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.879 as this for her part Gudeau kept her comments on 247 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:28.039 geopolitics limited to offering support for the civilian hostages taking 248 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:32.159 during the October seventh Hamas attack and did not mix 249 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.039 that message with the promotion of the film. 250 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.720 What. First of all, Palestinians are innocent, Like these innocent 251 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.960 Palestinians that are being slaughtered, they're innocent. I don't know 252 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.039 where this is coming from. That Like only the Israeli 253 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.679 hostages are innocent. What about the thousands of innocent Palestinians 254 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:51.440 that Israel has captured even before October seventh, Like Israel 255 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.039 has been committing genocide against the Palestinians for a long time, repeatedly. 256 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.000 And so it's just the framing is absurd. 257 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.799 Yeah, and absurd for another reason, because that article came 258 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:06.120 out yesterday, March twenty fifth, so it says Doau kept 259 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:13.639 her comments on geopolitics limited, but on marcheenth. Also in Variety, 260 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.759 in the article by Capsi Stefan called gal Gado's Walk 261 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:22.039 of Fame ceremony about how it was disrupted by protesters. 262 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.559 This is how Variety again described Goodo. Goodeau, who is 263 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.720 Israeli has been an outspoken supporter of Israel on social 264 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:34.519 media as well as in a passionate speech she delivered 265 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.639 on March fourth, when she was honored at the Anti 266 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.399 Defamation League's annual summit in New York City. Never did 267 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.759 I imagine now on the streets of the United States 268 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.879 and different cities around the world, who see people not 269 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:51.840 condemning Hamas but celebrating, justifying, and cheering on a massacre 270 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.039 of Jews, she said, in part, So when they want 271 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.039 to portray her as the Israeli wonder woman, she's an 272 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:03.440 outspoken critic. But when they want to bash Rachel Ziggler 273 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.440 and blame the failure of the movie explicitly on her 274 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.720 political comments and not Godeau's, you know, she's just barely 275 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.399 said anything which is absurd, like even a goodo doing 276 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.360 like the Imagine video, right, Like you could just blame 277 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.879 the bad box office for snow White on that. And 278 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.200 Goodeau has been kind of like a laughing stock since 279 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.320 that video, and people just constantly talk about how she's 280 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.279 maybe the worst actress. 281 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:33.360 Your actress's terrible. That's the other fundamental issue here is 282 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.120 that she's an atrocious actress. 283 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.159 And that's what the review said. So even if you 284 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.200 were writing an autopsy of this film, maybe you could 285 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.000 mention the Ziegler aspect as part of it, right, part 286 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.639 of the controversy around it, But the Goodeau stuff was 287 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.799 fairly large as well. And the fact that she's an 288 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.320 awful actress. Now, she's not the worst actress the actress, 289 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.399 I think. And we'll talk about this on our next 290 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.919 episode where we talk about Captain America Brave New World. 291 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.359 They actually found Israeli actress even worse than Goodoh in 292 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.599 Captain America. And she plays an Israeli secret agent in 293 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.839 this movie, and she's probably she's even worse than Goodough. 294 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.960 And she's not even like tall or you know, look 295 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.200 like a superhero, so even like they're just I don't know, 296 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.039 I don't know. And she is an outspoken supporter of 297 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:24.400 the IDF and the I don't see an article about 298 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.559 her being blamed for the somewhat middling box office of 299 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:29.359 that film. 300 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.359 Right exactly. It's just totally asymmetrical, all right. 301 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.079 So moving on to talking a bit more about some 302 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.599 bad journalists. And this is a huge NOE news story. 303 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.759 Everybody's talking about this one in the most useless way, 304 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.599 I think, generally speaking. But old Jeffrey Goldberg, who I 305 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.480 have not. Unfortunately have not gotten the chance to talk 306 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.079 about on the show as much. But I love to 307 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.319 remind people that Jeffrey Goldberg, who is the Other in 308 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.279 chief of the Atlantic, long time other in Chief, their 309 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:05.799 friend of tonnah heasy Coats and also former IDF concentration 310 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.519 camp guard. Jeffrey Goldberg, who is American, left college to 311 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.920 serve in the IDF. He was guard at the Kezatic 312 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.079 detention cap during the First an Antifada. It was infamous 313 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.680 for the torture, rape, and murder of Palestinians. Golberg described 314 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:29.000 his time as exotic and exciting as that is so disturbing. Yes, 315 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.680 and that's who Jeffrey Goldberg is. And it's not a 316 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:36.799 surprise to anyone who's read the Atlantic coverage of the 317 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.680 Tenna side in Palestine. It has his hand on the scale, 318 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.920 and he, of all journalists in the world, was invited 319 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.640 to well, I guess it's maybe it's not a coincidence. 320 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.559 He was invited to a group chat, a signal chat. 321 00:18:55.599 --> 00:19:00.000 I believe with I think hoaxth Vance and other people, 322 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.799 whether we're talking about planning bombings of the Houthis as 323 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:09.920 part of revenge for the Hoothise fulfilling their international obligations 324 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.759 to try to stop the genocide from happening. 325 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:15.680 I think somebody tweeted something funny that was like they 326 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.480 must have had multiple Jeffrey ID apps in their phone. 327 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.000 I think, what's I mean, Look, I'm glad that The 328 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:26.640 Atlantic published these texts so that we can see just 329 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:31.039 how cavalierly these people talk about killing innocent civilians. Like 330 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.759 there's one point where they acknowledge that innocent civilians will 331 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.279 be killed, and they're sort of celebrating these killings. So 332 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.640 I think it's like a very interesting window into what happened. 333 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.759 I do also think that the criticism is very valid 334 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.400 of like why why was this framed in this way? 335 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.720 I mean, unfortunately the Atlantic, like they do publish amazing 336 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.279 work and like tech, and actually their tech coverage is 337 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:57.200 incredibly good, but when it comes to like war, yeah, 338 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.200 it's like like neo cons like I mean, they're just 339 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.799 like war hungry type of that's the editorial outlook there, 340 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.000 and that's unfortunately, that's the editorial outlook for most of 341 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:09.720 mainstream media. Like I don't think that they're unique in 342 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:11.839 that I worked at the New York Times for years 343 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:14.599 as well, and like that's very much as well. The 344 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.279 editorial outlook at the New York Times. I mean, they 345 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.279 famously cheered on the Iraq war, like there's nothing that 346 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.839 a lot of these mainstream media outlets want more, whether 347 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.759 they'll admit it or not, is war because it provides 348 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.480 a steady stream of content, it gives reader interest like it, 349 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.519 and a lot of these people that run the media 350 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:39.559 are yeah, like former military people, former I guess IDF soldiers, 351 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:42.400 like people that have been involved in the military industrial 352 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:46.440 complex in some way, and they're certainly not anti war activists. 353 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:47.720 So it's disturbing. 354 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Yeah. So Goberg what he did with this story was 355 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.960 he basically he saw plans for like where, when, and 356 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.400 where bombing was going to happen. And there was this 357 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.720 bizarre discussion where they were basically say saying, most of 358 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:02.880 the people in the chat were saying, we should probably 359 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.519 delay this for a month because I forget what reason, 360 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.200 like because they kind of didn't know what they were 361 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:11.480 fucking doing. Yeah, maybe we should probably just put this 362 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.640 off for a month. And then they get word that 363 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.880 Trump says no, no, it's green light, So like, all right, well, 364 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:20.359 I guess we're doing this and Jeffrey Godberg is reading 365 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.440 all this and this is real talk about real people, 366 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.240 about being about to be killed, and he sits on it, 367 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.160 does nothing with it. Just like I'm just trying to 368 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.039 imagine what would the biopic of does person be like 369 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.880 when you imagine the journalists right being given this information. 370 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:42.240 That my favorite part is then he removed himself. Yes, 371 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.880 why would you remove yourself from that chat? Why would 372 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.039 you do that? The only thing that I will say, 373 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.400 because I was talking to other journalists about it, because 374 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.200 we were like, why why would you ever do that? 375 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:55.720 Like it just it shows this obsession with like decorum 376 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.920 and all this DC insider shit that is so stupid. 377 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.079 The only thing that I think could have been a 378 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.839 concern is like, either are all these like like national 379 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.000 security espionage like rules and stuff, and like I not 380 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.039 to give him too much of the benefit of the doubt, 381 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.079 because I do think he should have at least say 382 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.440 something before you leave, at least ask for comment in 383 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.480 the chat or say something like I don't know, but 384 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.480 it was like there could be like legal like you know, 385 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:22.960 just he was nervous about being like arrested. 386 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.759 He's afraid of going to jail. The former prison guard 387 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.400 is afraid to me, I know, I know, yeah, yeah, 388 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:36.400 I'm sorry. I just cannot imagine any like journalists other journalists. 389 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.279 Serious, no, no, no, no, they wouldn't like. 390 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.079 The idea of what we think of a journalist should 391 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.359 be right, Like you're giving information about what the United 392 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.400 States about to do some which is surely illegal bombing, 393 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:48.880 like you would. 394 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.119 Expose, but then you would post it immediately. You would 395 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:52.440 like that would be a huge story that you would 396 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:53.960 want to break immediately. You don't want to wait for 397 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.400 it to happen and then be like he he I 398 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:59.480 knew all along. No, of course not. But you know, unfortunately, 399 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.799 the way that position now is it sort of allows 400 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:04.440 them to seem like these bold truth tellers because they 401 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.319