WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:07.360 Well, whiskey, come and take my pain, the money, the rain, 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.960 Oh whiskey. Don't why think alone when you can drink 3 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:12.599 it all in. 4 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:17.440 With Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders, Steve Hayward, 5 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:21.480 John You, and the international woman of Mystery, Lucretia. 6 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:29.079 Where this lap slapping? David? Ain't you easy? On the show? 7 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:30.679 Taps gott a. 8 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:35.000 Giving Welcome everybody to the three Whiskey Happy Hour. It's 9 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.520 a somewhat somber occasion for us tonight because we are 10 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:42.079 without one co host. Our good friend John You is 11 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:45.920 feeling a bit under the weather and didn't feel quite 12 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:50.159 up to a beating down by Lucretia tonight, so he 13 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.079 begged off. We miss him terribly though. I mean, what 14 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.079 am I gonna do? I'm just gonna have to double 15 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.280 up on Steve again like in the old days. 16 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:01.240 Well this was this is the dilemma here is Is 17 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.240 this going to mean that we both beat up on 18 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.159 John or they're going to doubly beat down on me? 19 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:07.239 Now we know the answer, So I'm afraid. 20 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.719 Yeah, you know, I have a Oh you're. 21 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.799 The hostess, so you have to be at least to 22 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:14.239 pretend to be neutral. 23 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.400 For at least seconds. No, no, no, no. I listened to 24 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.439 our podcast last week when I was working out, and 25 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.760 by the way, you guys interrupt me way more than 26 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.959 I interrupt you. Number one and number two, you talked 27 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.319 more as host and made more points as hosts than 28 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.200 I ever had the opportunity to do. Just want to 29 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:34.879 get that out there. I know all of your fans 30 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.439 believe that I talk too much and I interrupt too much, 31 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.640 but I paid attention. It's not true anyway. The other 32 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:42.799 part of it is, even when you're not on and 33 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.640 John and I do it together, there's only so much 34 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:47.680 beating up we'll do with you without a chance to 35 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.439 defend yourself. So I'm going to apply the same standards 36 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:50.920 for John. 37 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.200 I think that is so much. I'm just going to 38 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:55.840 say that that is all fake news and leave it 39 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:56.120 at that. 40 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.239 But it's not fake news. You would know nothing about 41 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:06.319 fake news. Oh, by the way, Steve, I'm drinking. I 42 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.599 am drinking this amazing bottle Jake and I picked out 43 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.719 actually at Costco today because we were looking for a 44 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:18.840 bottle of whiskey to give to our accountant, who actually 45 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.759 you know, his aren't done yet, but the family ones 46 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:26.199 are and this wasn't for the accountant because it is 47 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.240 a orphaned barrel. And I had mentioned this before, but 48 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.039 it wasn't as nice of a Scotch. This is where 49 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:38.719 a distillery in Scotland that goes and finds rare casks 50 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:44.759 of whiskey and turns them into very very limited numbers 51 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:48.680 of eighteen year old. It's called Woven Honor. And I 52 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.360 have to read because we haven't done this in a 53 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.199 long time. You said you wanted to do a little bit, 54 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.199 a little bit of an old fashioned kind of showed 55 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:58.960 like we used to do without John, which used to 56 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:06.639 include whiskey reviews. This one, it says, is a has 57 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:12.000 a grassy and floral note, a fruity medley of green 58 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:20.080 apple and lemon zest and alongside vanilla and honeycomb. Doesn't 59 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:21.159 that sound lovely. 60 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.400 Actually except the grassy part. 61 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.560 I mean, that's what I don't like about sauvignon blancs 62 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.759 and a grassy You know. 63 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.520 I don't detect the grassy. The apple. You can smell 64 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.400 the green apple, you can smell the lemon, and the 65 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:36.919 honeycomb very much so. And of course vanilla. You know, 66 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.919 most good Scotch if it's not that nasty ashtray stuff 67 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.120 actually has the hints of vanilla, which I like. So 68 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:52.199 anyway's quite wonderful, orphan barrel woven honor, so I imagine, because 69 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.400 you are, as usual, hobnobbing with the rich and famous 70 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:58.240 and important, not drinking anything anymore. 71 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.719 Well, no, I had a March teeny and then red 72 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.639 and white wine with dinner with with some Yes, I'm 73 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:03.400 impressive people. 74 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.759 I'm not gonna all right, I will blow after names. 75 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.159 I was at dinner with Steve Forbes. You're yeah, I 76 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:10.960 just did well. 77 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.199 I'm tired, that's the problem, and worn down from four 78 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:14.520 weeks on the road with one more. 79 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:15.759 Week to go. Uh. Yeah. 80 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.000 I see their dinner with Steve Forbes and Charles Kessler 81 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.399 and most importantly of all, Gordon Chang, who I've never 82 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.800 met before, but I've been reading him for years, and 83 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.839 boy does he have some sobriety to bring to the 84 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.160 party about China. And also in a room full of 85 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.360 free marketeers, including you know, like Steve Forbes, he's very 86 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.959 pro tariff uh and he's all on the side of Trump, 87 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.040 especially if Trump sticks to his guns with regard to 88 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.199 tariffs towards China. 89 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.120 Which may be the grand scheme. Maybe we can come 90 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:45.519 to all that. 91 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.439 I just like to say, there's a new tariff in town. 92 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.319 That's that's I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. 93 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.319 Oh god, I actually I was going to ask you 94 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.720 what his view of views on tariffs were. And it 95 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.600 doesn't surprise me, but I do want I want to 96 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.439 see that kind of for last, because they told you 97 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.319 I was going to ambush you on that with my 98 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.879 with my uh absolutely rock solid rationale about why Trump 99 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:12.360 is right, and you're. 100 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.040 Okay, well your your tear? 101 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.800 What what are you? What would you call it? Terriphobic? 102 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.439 I mean, well, I'll give you my views on that. 103 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:23.879 I will say, though you have already falsified one prediction 104 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.600 I made to a listener who email mean saying, now, 105 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:28.399 this is sarcastic. 106 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:29.639 I don't know if I can do his voice. Oh. 107 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.600 I can't wait to hear what Lucretia has to say 108 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.920 about the tariffs. This is a guy who's. 109 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.439 Against them, right, I said, well, economics, this is true, 110 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.319 isn't that, Lucrecia, Economics usually bores you, and so I. 111 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.079 Didn't think you'd have much of an opinion at all. 112 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:43.720 But if you do this will come as a surprise. 113 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.560 And uh okay, and and by the way, this is 114 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.600 one of those things that pulls together all of your 115 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.199 failing Steve, I. 116 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.720 Can't wait, wait so perfect ten no. 117 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.519 No, But but you know you you're you're his historical 118 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.480 analogies and your reliance on economics. History is a perfectly 119 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:10.120 good topic for study. You know, we all should be 120 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.800 studying history, the right kind of history, of course. And 121 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.720 what we make of that that I'll leave that for 122 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.879 another day. But you and I both know that economics 123 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:24.199 is a fake science. It was in fact invented by 124 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.800 the damn progressives to pretend like they could do uh, 125 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.079 they could steer the economy, the national economy, and you 126 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.079 know in the directions that they wanted to. And every 127 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:42.839 subsequent economists economist has been pretty much a snake oil salesman, 128 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.720 wrong all the time, or almost all the time. 129 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.360 So no, I have to tell me that's not true. 130 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.319 The latter part you can disagree with, But the first 131 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:50.920 part I'm right. 132 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.079 Oh no, no, that that's what I disagree with. 133 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.519 That I mean, I think the first great breakthrough in 134 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.879 economics was by a moral scientist, Adam Smith. 135 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.240 Right, there's that people before him. 136 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.079 But he doesn't write like an economist. And he doesn't 137 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:07.439 he doesn't you know, he's not an economist in the 138 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.480 economist discipline. 139 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.279 Yeah, and that's more to the pities of modern economists. 140 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.160 Right was Aristotle, my friend? 141 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.279 So they're not Xenophon this, uh wait, who are the 142 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.680 econo economic Wait it wasn't Xenophon who wrote the on 143 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.000 household management, which was oh, never mind, we're getting way 144 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:31.240 off track, way off track. 145 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.920 Okay, back back back to where we were. 146 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.800 So well, I'll say that the progressive is perverted economics 147 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.879 in the same way they perverted political science. 148 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.879 Right, yeah, they fair enough. They turned it into an 149 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.720 academic discipline in which someone could become an expert based 150 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.879 upon whatever stupid theories were being bandied about at the 151 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.920 time of somebody wrote a PhD dissertation and you know 152 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.959 that kind of stuff. And I would say the same thing. 153 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.800 By the way, for international relations, which I think was 154 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:07.240 in fact the worst of the perfectly legitimate studies, turned 155 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.360 into something god awful by academics. I mean, the first 156 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:14.399 class in international relations I took. Oh my god, this 157 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:19.560 is stupid. People actually study this stuff and believe this 158 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.959 stuff anyway, all they're dumb theories, and so anyway, enough 159 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:27.439 for academic disciplines. Today, the theme, Steve is, and you're 160 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.839 the one who made me think of it, is we're 161 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.159 going to talk. I know it's going to surprise everyone 162 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:38.919 about democrats, but my theme is that Democrats are wailing 163 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.120 about a whole lot of stuff everything. They're wailing about 164 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:49.799 the tariffs, they're wailing about Trump sending MS thirteen and 165 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:54.080 Trendie Agrea gang bangers into El Salvador back to their 166 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:59.559 countries of origin. They're wailing about his Justice Department, as FBI, 167 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.919 his border patrol going in. Oh, this woman's been here 168 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.240 forty years and here's a tearful goodbye with her children. 169 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:08.919 You know, she's been here forty years and didn't bother 170 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.240 to become a citizen. You know, on and on and 171 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.440 on they're whiling. I can't think of anything they're not 172 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.440 whiling about, to be honest with you, But my theory 173 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:18.080 is you're. 174 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.039 Leaving out the gnashing of teeth along with the whaling. 175 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.039 Oh yeah, whaling, nashing of teeth. I was trying to 176 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:27.360 keep it sort of, but that's impossible. And one of 177 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.679 the things I mentioned to Steve is that whaling actually 178 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.279 includes a good number of rhinos. I know that surprises 179 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.480 everyone that I think that. But anyway, that's certainly when 180 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.799 it comes to tariffs, which of course also means that, 181 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.120 you know, I saw on Twitter today that Jim Jim 182 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:46.679 Cramer's in favor of tariffs. Proof that I'm right, Steve. 183 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.559 Oh, yeah, that's true. You got me on that one. 184 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:53.399 If everyone knows that trip anyway, So we're going to 185 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.799 talk about a few of those things, and I'm actually 186 00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.399 gonna ask Steve to kind of give us his thoughts 187 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.639 on all of these expose as these books that are. 188 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:12.159 Coming out where everyone's confessing or at least talking to 189 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.879 people who are now confessing that Yeah, as a matter 190 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.960 of fact, you know, wrong claim. As a matter of fact, 191 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.480 it's kind of shocked at what a brain dead vegetable 192 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.919 he was. I don't think those are exact words, but 193 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:22.480 they're close. 194 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.879 Steve. Yeah. 195 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.120 So I mean, I I mean, we talked about a 196 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:28.840 lot of this while it was in front of us 197 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:29.480 in real time. 198 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:32.120 I mean, all you needed was a subscription. 199 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.720 The c Span to understand that Biden was a doddering 200 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:35.720 fool who couldn't. 201 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:35.919 Do the job. 202 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.799 And yet anyone in the media. We talked about the 203 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.919 six months ago when the Wall Street Journal in late 204 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.559 May early June last year put out a front page 205 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.159 feature story about. 206 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.000 Biden's inability to do the job. 207 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.519 And the story, by the way, made clear that the 208 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.159 Biden White House and Capitol Hill Democrats were working furiously 209 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.000 while they were reporting the story to try and blunt it. 210 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.600 And once it was published, which I thought this, we read. 211 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.200 That story carefully. It was astonishing and how bracing it was. 212 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:05.559 And that's the news page. Just remember that's not the 213 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:07.879 editorial page. Right, you can't say they're in the bag 214 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.000 for Republicans. And what happened was they got savaged by 215 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.120 the other media, right, And so now they're saying, oh gosh, 216 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.399 you know, now people are telling us all this, and 217 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.759 so the media is trying to cover their rear end. 218 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.360 But I think there's a deeper subtext to this. So 219 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.120 the media, first of all, they did Democrats no favors 220 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.679 by not exposing a cover up. I mean, I thought 221 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.840 that was the highest pinnacle of media rectitude, was exposing 222 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:32.679 cover ups. 223 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.120 Well here they covered up the cover up. 224 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.879 But now I think the media is doing the Democrats 225 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.360 another disservice because what's going on here is they're going 226 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:46.480 to say, oh, we lost the election because Biden shouldn't 227 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.480 have run again. He was selfish, he was narcissistic. Oh 228 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:53.879 that's true, and Harris was a terrible candidate. And then 229 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.240 there's a period and the unspoken next sentences. Therefore, we 230 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.360 Democrats don't have to change our mind about anything. We 231 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.480 don't have to read think our policies, we don't have 232 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.480 to think about what we've been doing wrong to alienate 233 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.679 the American people and all the minority voters that have 234 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.879 moved toward Republicans. So I think that they're doubling down 235 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.200 on misleading Democrats. And I mentioned to you before we 236 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.559 went on, and I'll beat this quick, is the other 237 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.720 thing that has hurt Democrats is California. And this only 238 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.919 occurred to me this morning when I'm talking to Steve 239 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.360 Hilton on the Ricochet podcast, and it just sort of 240 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.279 flashed into my mind. You know, for the last ten, fifteen, 241 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.200 twenty years, Democrats looked at how they flipped California. 242 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:31.960 From red to blue. 243 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.080 And what they thought was what flipped it was all 244 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:38.399 the illegal immigrants who came into California and voted whether 245 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:39.600 legally or not, who knows. 246 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.840 But the point is they thought, oh, we should do 247 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:42.759 that from whole country. 248 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.200 We want to have more immigration from Latin America and elsewhere, 249 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.679 will flip Texas. They've been saying this for years, and 250 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:52.679 it turns out that they're not only wrong about how 251 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.480 the country would react to that, they turned out to 252 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.639 be wrong about a lot of minority voters, including even 253 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.759 a lot of people apparently who were recent illegals, say no, 254 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.919 we don't want more people flooding across the border. 255 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.519 It's bad for us, bad for everybody. So, you know, 256 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.639 California was their model has turned out to. 257 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.320 Be also a disaster for Republicans. I'm sorry for Democrats, 258 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:12.679 and so. 259 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.159 I'm watching all this thinking, boy, they're in much more 260 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.159 trouble than they think. And you know, we'll talk about 261 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:21.960 tariffs later. And you know, if the tariff business, if 262 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.519 the tariff business goes wrong, that's going to give them 263 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.840 one more reason to say, we don't need to rethink anything. 264 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.159 We're just fine, right. 265 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.039 I don't think it will, but let me leave that 266 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.440 for later. I do want to relate to something I 267 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:38.080 saw on Twitter. Somebody made the comment that Colorado is 268 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:42.840 now going to prosecute parents that don't allow their questioning 269 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.080 children to get gender reassignment surgery something along those lines. 270 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.919 And it's like, what the hell happened to Colorado? And 271 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.200 somebody responded, California went to Colorado and then they all 272 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:53.840 smoked weed. 273 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.440 Well, well, now this is this is actually a good point. 274 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.039 Is conservatives left California moved to Idaho and Texas and 275 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:06.080 maybe other places. Liberals who left California went to Colorado. 276 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.080 I think there's a lot of truth to that. And 277 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.200 you know the numbers. I mean, you can't trace out 278 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.679 the party registrate. Well you probably could if you had 279 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.840 unlimited time and money to chase people's registrations, but a 280 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.519 lot of reasons I think that's quite true. 281 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:20.919 Well, I think those could do it, but they've got 282 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.320 other things to worry about it. I do want to 283 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.120 go back to something you said earlier and tie it 284 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.480 to my earlier point, which is when you said that 285 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:31.080 you thought that, you know, exposing corruption, getting to the 286 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:32.960 heart of a really juicy story, etc. 287 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:33.360 Etc. 288 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.320 It was what journalists did. What I would argue is 289 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.480 journalism was ruined when it became a discipline A lot 290 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.919 in the colleges because of course they just all became 291 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:51.480 not just propagandized, but the things that really mattered, never 292 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.360 mind the ideological bent, the things that really mattered were 293 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.360 no longer taught. I mean, you're not. You never went 294 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.440 to journalism school, Steve, and you wrote brilliant pieces. I don't. 295 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:08.120 The more of this stuff I read, the more I 296 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:12.799 realized that not that they can't write, I can't think. 297 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.039 It's just they can't make a persuasive argument. It's just 298 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.840 trope after trope after trope. So, along with economics, political science, 299 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.320 international relations, to a great degree, history, now journalism academia 300 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.000 has ruined all of it. 301 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.000 Oh no, I could go on a long time about this, 302 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.919 but I won't. But journalism isn't an ism, right, what's 303 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:38.879 the old Churchill line? 304 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:40.639 All the old isms? There wasn's Now. 305 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.679 Look, I learned this very valuable point that you make 306 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.559 right out of college again with my mentor in Stanton Evans, 307 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.120 who was, let us remember, the youngest editor of a 308 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.440 major metropolitan daily, the Indianapolis and Evening News, at the 309 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:54.440 age of twenty six. 310 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.240 And it's like a phive bay to Kapa from Yale. 311 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.519 Right, a very accomplished guy did some graduate study with 312 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.240 Ludwig von Meiss at NYU. Okay, he could have been 313 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.480 a brilliant scholar if he'd gone the traditional academic route. 314 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.120 But he wrote news and great columns. And you know, 315 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.279 he said to us early on, wait a minute, journalism 316 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.519 is not a profession like accounting or law or something 317 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.960 where you have to matter master a body of specialized knowledge. No, 318 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.919 he used to call it reporting, and it was a 319 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.879 working class occupation, like by the way, the beat cop 320 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:28.480 and and most people they may have been ideological, maybe not, 321 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.159 but they always liked a good story and they loved 322 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:36.080 corruption at city hall. And now journalism is this elite profession. 323 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:37.200 You know. 324 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.159 Steve Hayes, I know, you know, we're all critics of 325 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:41.039 Steve Hayes. He's gone over to the dark side. But 326 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.399 he went to Columbia Journalism School because he wanted to 327 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.639 be a reporter. And he used to tell me about 328 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.600 how awful it was and how idiological it was, and 329 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.919 what a waste of time it is. And you know, 330 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.919 the credential didn't do him that much good. You know, 331 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.159 he doesn't regret he did it. But I had to say, 332 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:58.960 I look out at the world, and you know, I 333 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:02.000 knew David broke a little bit at the Washington Post. 334 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.200 Now he wrote mostly an editorial page, but he mostly 335 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.559 wrote sort of political analysis that was straight up. He 336 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.079 really couldn't tell what his bias was. He did a 337 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.039 lot of serious reporting. He didn't just opine. And I 338 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.240 miss guys like that. I mean, that used to be 339 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.160 the model of journalism. I don't think he went to 340 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.160 a journalism school. He was an old school guy. 341 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.599 In fact, I know this. He rose up to the 342 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.119 ranks of local reporting. I think in Illinois. 343 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.200 Some of his earliest stories in the fifties were covering 344 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.880 this Hollywood actor named Ronald Reagan who came to town to 345 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.359 speak for ge and and you know, I remember hearing him, 346 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:35.920 you know, at lunch with him one time. He got 347 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.200 to tell the Reagan stories. And I couldn't tell what 348 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.160 he liked the guy, didn't like the guy. 349 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:41.000 Or what right? 350 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.559 And that's what we don't have anymore, And that is 351 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.839 you know, there, you're absolutely right about how academia has 352 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:48.319 ruined it. 353 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.359 And in addition to destroying all. 354 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.839 The education schools, we should get rid of all the 355 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.799 journalism schools, and then probably we'll move on to half 356 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:57.480 the law schools. 357 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.680 At least half the law schools political. We could go 358 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.240 on and on, but along those same lines, I want 359 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.440 to bring back your your I think you should probably 360 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.400 patent this statement, or you know, whatever the right thing 361 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:14.839 is to do the media democratic nexus when I don't 362 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.640 think you can entirely blame journalism schools. You know, to 363 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.400 be fair, Steve Hayes managed to get out of it, 364 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.039 at least for a while without coming to this conclusion, 365 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:29.519 and that is that somehow journalism was not an attempt 366 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.720 to be an objective reporter of things that mattered, but 367 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:41.599 instead it was a player in an ideological political initiative, 368 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.200 in other words, defeat Trump at all costs. And it 369 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:48.319 mattered not it mattered, not one whit whether what they 370 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.200 wrote about was true or even more important, as you 371 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.359 pointed out, that they failed to write about and report 372 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.559 on things that were really manifestly important, like and the 373 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:00.240 reason I brought it up. I know it's been beat 374 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:05.880 to death, but Hunter's laptop. I guess a congressional committee 375 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:10.519 released a whole bunch of FBI communications about Hunter's laptop, 376 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.920 and it's just despicable. It was all done with the 377 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:19.920 absolute purpose of making sure that nobody nobody leaked the 378 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:23.480 tiniest bit of information that might give some credence to 379 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.359 the Nerik posts reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop. And 380 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.640 of course we know how all of that went down. 381 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:31.319 But you know that. 382 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.799 Old saying that a conspiracy if it goes beyond one person, 383 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:39.119 is very difficult to keep. But I don't think that, 384 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:41.640 you know, a secret is difficult to keep it if 385 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.559 it goes beyond more than one person, right right, In 386 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:49.920 this case, they were able to rely upon, first and 387 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.400 foremost an ideological viewpoint or perspective, but also inside the FBI, 388 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:58.519 you had people questioning it, but you know, put the 389 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.559 hammer down on them. 390 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.519 You know, I'm I'm almost afraid to You've had a 391 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.440 busy week. I know, I'm almost afraid to ask if 392 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.799 you saw any highlights of the hearing that featured the 393 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.279 NPR president that wonderful bottle blonde Catherine Mayer. 394 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:17.319 I mean, hey, give us bottle blonde a break. I 395 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.880 used to be completely toehead when I was younger. 396 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.640 No, well, but that's no. A bottle blonde is a 397 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:23.839 fake blonde. That's what I'm saying. 398 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:25.759 I kind of am, but because my hair is a 399 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.359 lot darker than it was when I was little. 400 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.119 But anyway, okay, well that's okay, and you know she 401 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:32.759