1 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: And welcome. 2 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: Hello, How are you on this Thursday, Today's nineteenth day, 3 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:32,240 March Year of Our Lord, twoenty twenty six. My name 4 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,200 is Tom Sullivan. And yes, the war, Yes it's still going. 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,799 Everybody's asking how long. Nobody knows the answer to that. 6 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,439 Of course, oil and gas prices continuing to go higher. 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,880 I think you probably know that from stopping by the 8 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,039 gas station in the last couple of weeks. We are 9 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,479 we've got a hearing on Epstein, remember the Epstein story. Well, 10 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:02,920 it's still owing, but there's some problems with the hearings 11 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:10,079 going on in Washington. And then a shaker roue Seesar Chavez, 12 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:13,680 who was the leader, the founder of the farm Workers 13 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:19,400 Union in California, is considered to be almost a saintly 14 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,560 it's now. The New York Times wrote an article the 15 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:25,519 other day about the fact that they spent five years 16 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,280 going back and found out that he was kind of 17 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:37,000 epstein ish. He molested young girls, underage girls, he molested 18 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:44,519 adult women. He was a sex maniac apparently, and he's 19 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,959 he is considered to be, like I said, almost a 20 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:51,640 saint in especially in California, but I presume in the 21 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,519 Hispanic community. So we'll get into a little bit of 22 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:59,480 that because it's throwing everybody at curve. And we've got 23 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,760 the Save of America Act, which is also still being debated. 24 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:04,079 Speaker 1: But let's start with the war. 25 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:11,599 Speaker 2: And the question was Israel bombarded an area that is 26 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:17,960 the natural gas oil fields that are in Iran and 27 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,159 a huge portion of their revenue. And we've been taking 28 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:25,919 the position we're not going to mess with your oil 29 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:30,000 or gas because you need we don't want to destroy 30 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:33,800 that because when the war is over, we've got to 31 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,479 have that intact for not only for you to survive, 32 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,840 but also for the world oil and gas markets to 33 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,400 be able to know there's a supply coming out of 34 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:46,719 your country and that that is where the prices will 35 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:53,199 go back down. So lo and behold Israel. They blasted 36 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,639 the gas fields in Iran that were the kind of 37 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,280 off limits. Donald Trump was asked about it and he 38 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,360 said he is not happy. 39 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: I told him, don't do that, and he won't do that. 40 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,199 We didn't discuss, you know, we do. We're independent, but 41 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,560 get along great. It's coordinated, but on occasion he'll do 42 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,159 something and if I don't like it, and so we're 43 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:21,400 not doing that anymore. 44 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: So there's a hullabuloo being made of this today because 45 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:33,560 the President is not happy Israel did it on their own. 46 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,960 The president, you're just heard saying we're working together, We're 47 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,039 doing this together, but wires get crossed from time to time. 48 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,919 But the other part about this is so Israel went 49 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,199 ahead and did the blasting of these oil fields. But 50 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,360 on top of that, this guy Joe Kent, who really 51 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:54,120 has a history of I want to say, it sounds 52 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,159 like he's an anti semi. He doesn't like Israel, and 53 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,960 neither is Tucker Carlson. And he went on Tucker Carlton's 54 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 show and they had a heyday about the fact that 55 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,280 Israel has drawn the US into this war, that they 56 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,919 talked Donald Trump into it, and and and the advisor 57 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:16,959 to bb Net and Yahoo is a guy by the 58 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,160 name of over Falk. He's a foreign advisor to him. 59 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:26,240 He said, that's a bunch of baloney. Oh, that's factually wrong, wrong. 60 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,519 Speaker 4: And again, I don't want to speculate about these internal politics. 61 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,399 I've never heard of this Joe Kent guy. And I'm 62 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:39,560 sure that I'm sure, one hundred percent sure that President 63 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,079 Trump is working for the for the American people. He 64 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,360 made the absolutely correct decision because what Iran was doing, 65 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:51,439 it was bearing their ballistic missiles underground. They're building it 66 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,519 at record speed. It was an imminent threat. Anybody with 67 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,279 it above average IQ could understand that. And they were digging, 68 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,160 they were they were bearing these missiles under ground to 69 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,199 a point where they would be immune. That's one. 70 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:03,639 Speaker 1: Two. 71 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 4: There was high concern that they would attack first, So 72 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,879 we hit them before they hit us, and we're gonna 73 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:11,519 finish the job. 74 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: That's another part that the media seems to be going 75 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:17,120 hog wild about is the fact that, well, where was 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,480 the immediate threat? Where was the immediate threat? Well, I 77 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:22,920 don't know how you feel about it, but I'll tell 78 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,560 you that I don't think you can wait for the 79 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,959 first atomic bomb to drop in the in This Time 80 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:37,399 Square or in Hollywood Boulevard or the Miracle. 81 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: Mile in Chicago. 82 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,079 Speaker 2: I don't think we can wait until all of a 83 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,160 sudden they have a bomb, a nuclear bomb, and they 84 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,079 tossed one or two or many at us. I don't know. 85 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:49,279 They've been saying death to America for as long as 86 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,920 I can remember. Everybody agreed that they're working diligently to 87 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,480 try to get an atomic bomb that they could throw 88 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,199 it at us. 89 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 5: Ari. 90 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,399 Speaker 2: I think that is sufficient in my world. But also 91 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:11,519 this business about trying to create some sort of division 92 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,920 between US and Israel, and again it goes back to 93 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:18,120 this thing about did Israel drop their bombs on this 94 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:23,360 gas field and back to over falk saying we've been 95 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,040 dropping bombs, and they've been dropping bombs on the targets 96 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,879 that we've agreed to. 97 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 4: For the past twenty days, we've been hitting regime targets. 98 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,879 We've been hitting regime targets, and we're degrading the regime's capability. 99 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,319 On the other hand, the regime is targeting civilians, Israeli 100 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000 civilians and civilians around the Gulf. That's the main difference 101 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,600 between US and this death cult regime in Iran. They 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,279 target civilians directly and through their proxies. They've been doing 103 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:54,879 this for forty seven years. For forty seven years, they've 104 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 been saying death to America, death to Israel, and I 105 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,720 think the rational people should believe it. Not only have 106 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,360 they called that, they've killed thousands of Americans, they've killed 107 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:07,519 thousands of Israelis, and they've slaughtered tens of thousands of 108 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,639 uranium people on the rees of day Iran. We're putting 109 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,959 an end to all of that, and we're creating the 110 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,720 conditions for the Iranian people to do the right thing. 111 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: Usually he's referring to overthrow the regime. That's the ultimate goal. Meantime. 112 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:29,639 Brett McGirk, who again specialized in National security advisor for 113 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,839 four different presidents about the Middle East, ways in. 114 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 6: Met this a couple boys. I think, first, it's very 115 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,879 It's troubling if an intel official is not simply stating 116 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:42,680 exactly what she knows as the facts from the Intel community. 117 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,639 Coming at this as a former consumer of intelligence, if 118 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,240 you're a senior White House official or a senior official, 119 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,480 you never get an assessment there will be an attack 120 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:52,720 tomorrow three o'clock, or there's a ticking bomb and you 121 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:57,160 have three hours. You'll get more probabilistic assessments. So Assama 122 00:07:57,279 --> 00:07:59,519 bin Laden declared war in the US in nineteen ninety eight, 123 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,079 was that an imminent threat? Aron's missiles they continue to 124 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:08,040 increase in capability. The probabilistic say you wait two years, 125 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:10,519 mister president, you might not actually not be able to 126 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,519 degrade them, because they'll have so many missiles that can 127 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,079 overwhelm any air defense system. You get those kind of assessments. 128 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:18,480 So there's something too at the end of the day, 129 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,560 is for policymakers to determine what crosses the line for 130 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,399 something in which we have to act upon, and you 131 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,160 can act them anyways, sanctions, military action, whatever. But now, 132 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:30,879 if it's not a ticking bomb scenario or tomorrow or 133 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,559 do you have a probabilistic if you don't act now, 134 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,240 a year from now, eighteen months from now, mister president, 135 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,639 you might actually have a serious situation. You then have 136 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,879 a long runway, and that gets into where the work 137 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:43,639 that was not done heading into this. You can build 138 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,720 a coalition, you can do the preconditioning for what you 139 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,200 might be deciding to do. 140 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: So that's a straight answer to me. Yes, it takes time. 141 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:55,279 If you know that they're trying to build something that 142 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,399 will wipe you out, that will damage you. They've worn 143 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,679 up one side down the other. Want to wipe out 144 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,799 all of Israel, and they certainly wanted to attack us. 145 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,360 Death to America. So if you see that coming, at 146 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,600 what point do you wait till the very last second 147 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,159 or do you start building up some sort of protection. 148 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, and even on is the regime still intact? I 149 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:21,200 think We usually go froment an intel briefer we have 150 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:23,639 low confidence, or we have moderate confidence, or we have 151 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,240 high confidence, and they have different assessments, and then policymakers 152 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,080 have to kind of weigh the intelligence of other things. 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,200 It is a it's an art, it's not a science. 154 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,799 You could have a sudden unraveling of the system, but 155 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,600 then I think you just have a vacuum. I've always 156 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:39,639 been extremely skeptical, based on my twenty years of experience 157 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,840 spending a year interac early on of any regime change 158 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,519 type objective using the military instrument of power for that objective. 159 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,440 I think the unintended consequences are are always apparent, and 160 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,080 the ability to do that from the air is almost impossible, 161 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,120 and even to do it from the ground, we've seen 162 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:59,440 what that looks like. So that's one thing that's troubling here. 163 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,919 I think the Allies are pursuing a regime change type operation, 164 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,360 whereas we if you listen to Admiral Cooper, the commander 165 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,320 of Santcam, or you listen to General Kin, our military 166 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,480 objectives are focused on the military industrial base of Iran, 167 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,639 the missiles, the drones, the nuclear the command and control 168 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,559 the navy, and we're kind of going after that now systematically, 169 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,679 and we've now added in the straight up worms. 170 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:21,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 171 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,159 Speaker 2: So his question in mine too is can you do 172 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,519 a regime change using just the air force using air power? 173 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,519 And every military person that I've listened to over the 174 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,559 years has said, no, you have to do boots on 175 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,240 the ground. Well, now we're at that decision point. 176 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 6: Let just to answer your question, I do not think 177 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,120 using a military military power to try to achieve that 178 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,519 type of political outcome that really opens up a Pandora's 179 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:50,559 box in my experience. 180 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,759 Speaker 2: So, speaking of looking at this from Afar, we have 181 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,919 been looking at Iran as a danger to our country, 182 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,000 to our city for a long time. Listen to Senator 183 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,159 Marco Rubio, this is eleven years ago on the floor 184 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:10,320 of the US Senate. 185 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 7: They're going to build anti access capabilities, rockets capable of 186 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,159 destroying aircraft carriers and ships. Continue to build these swift 187 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,039 boats that are able to come on us, these fast 188 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,200 boats that are able to swarm our naval assets, and 189 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,279 they'll make it harder and harder for US troops to 190 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:28,960 be in the region. They'll also work with other terrorist 191 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,519 groups in the region. The target American servicemen and women. 192 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,519 They'll alts, will continue to build long range missiles, missiles 193 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,559 capable of reaching the United States, and then at some 194 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:38,559 point in the near future, when the time is right, 195 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,440 they will build a nuclear weapon. And they will do 196 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,360 so because at that point they will know that they 197 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,000 have become immune, that we will no longer be able 198 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,440 to strike their nuclear program because the price of doing 199 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,120 so will be too high. But I want to be 200 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,840 recorded for history's purposes of nothing else to say that 201 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,480 those of us who opposed this deal understood where it 202 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,080 would lead, and we are making a terrible mistake. 203 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: And that was in response to brother Obama trying to 204 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:04,440 be friendly and get some sort of treaty and send 205 00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:10,039 them huge planeloads of cash, I mean cash, and so 206 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,279 Mark Rubio was supposed to that said, someday Iron is 207 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,120 going to have the upper hand. We're not going to 208 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,639 be able to stop them. Voila, here we are. 209 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 6: I mean, I have to say the missiles, I mean, 210 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,799 in twenty fifteen when he's speaking, the missile program was 211 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,759 a conventional missile. They were like scuds. You can launch them, 212 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,840 you don't really know where they're going to land. The 213 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:34,240 missile program and the ten years hence became what you 214 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:38,039 call an anti access area aerial denial system. They've got 215 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,000 way more accurate, from hundreds of meters to a kilometer 216 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,159 or two within tens of meters. Their payloads doubled, they 217 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,799 were able to go greater distances, and the arsenal expanded 218 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:50,480 with Russian and Chinese support. And then they started this 219 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,200 drone program. And you could look at that a few 220 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,639 years ago and say, well, you know a lot of 221 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,960 countries of missile programs, we can contain it. But I 222 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,039 lived through the Houthis and Yemen firing these Iranian missiles 223 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,759 anti shit missiles at US Navy ships going mock four. 224 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Incredible technology, and so the Iranian missile program advanced to 225 00:13:10,159 --> 00:13:13,679 such a degree it's a major major problem. We tried sanctions, 226 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,480 we tried interdictions, we tried almost every tool, and you 227 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,200 really couldn't get at it. And it became a strategic 228 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,159 kind of needle mover because they proliferate the technology to Russia, 229 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:26,200 which Russia's using in Ukraine. And we saw the attacks 230 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,840 against US and of course the attacks against Israel. 231 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: So they have done very well. Congratulations to the Iranian engineers. 232 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,159 They are smart. They've been able to build a missile 233 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:39,440 program that went from scuds up to where they have 234 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,879 missiles now that travel at four times the speed of sound. 235 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:46,440 And on top of that, they're just plain math. They're 236 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,480 building so many missiles that it would be almost impossible 237 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:54,559 for anybody to take out there. They would have so 238 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,480 much defense capability. We would have very difficult time, if 239 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,720 maybe not possible, to stop them in their efforts to 240 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:07,320 continue with their heinous ways. So we're handling the military 241 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,720 side of it peace by piece, day by day. At 242 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:14,919 the briefing this morning, they said that they have hit 243 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:21,600 seven eight hundred plus targets, they have destroyed forty four 244 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:29,159 mine laying vessels. What about the regime? So back to 245 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,240 this whole idea. We're doing all that, but you still 246 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,240 how are we going to get the regime changed? Karim 247 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,240 sad Poor from Carnegie is an expert in this area. 248 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,559 Speaker 8: Really is and Israel is killing the pillars of repression 249 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,840 of the running regime. And the question is whether these 250 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,360 are foundational pillars kind of like a game of Djenga, 251 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,039 which ultimately will collapse the system, or are they men 252 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,080 who are easily replaceable. Up until now, we haven't seen 253 00:14:55,159 --> 00:14:58,679 signs that this is a regime that is cracking. This 254 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,000 is a regime really fighting for its life. And when 255 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:04,840 you look at the collapse of other authoritarian regimes, one 256 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:07,759 of the key things which is difficult to measure from 257 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,799 Afar is resolve. You know, how much does this regime 258 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:13,080 want to stay in power? And in the case of 259 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,000 the Lomak Republic of Iran, if they lose power, they 260 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,240 lose their lives, and so that's why you see they've 261 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,159 been demoralized. But there's no signs yet that this is 262 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,799 a regime which is ready to relinquish power. This is 263 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:27,320 one of the loneliest regimes in the world if you 264 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,759 compare it to the next loiest lonely, yes, strategically lonely, 265 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,399 no real allies in the world. These men oftentimes come 266 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,320 from provincial backgrounds. A lot of them are on international 267 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,879 sanctions lists, so there's no great plan B for them. 268 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:45,519 They're not even publicly announcing who the replacements are because 269 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,559 they know if they announce those individuals, they put a 270 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,679 bullseye on their back. But we know that this is 271 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,840 a regime with I would say limited capacity at the 272 00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:59,320 top levels, limited human capital. 273 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:01,799 Speaker 2: I think he was trying to imply that they're not 274 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:05,639 the brightest or the best, but that's all. That's it. 275 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:10,480 They come from a very close knit area and they 276 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:16,080 don't have any other way out of this. If they 277 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:20,679 don't win, they die, So they have to win in 278 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:24,200 their mind, and they have no allies, none whatsoever. That's 279 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,080 why you call them the loneliest regime out there. But 280 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,480 what about the big uprising by the people? 281 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 8: It could We don't know yet because as of now, 282 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:38,480 the people of Iran are really observers here. They're not 283 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,679 yet participants. You know, they're under bombardment. Question is when 284 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,759 that bombing stops, are people going to see an opportunity 285 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,120 to mobilize or is the regime going to continue to 286 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,840 have its fingers on the trigger and be willing to 287 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:54,600 kill tens of thousands. 288 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: So it's a big gamble for the people. Do they 289 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,919 step up and try and take back. They tried it 290 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,960 three four weeks ago and thirty thousand of them were 291 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,160 mowed down. They have no problem doing that. So now 292 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,000 what's the math? How many people does it take to 293 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:11,559 stand up? 294 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 8: Indeed, on paper, those men exist, and you know it's 295 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,559 a country of ninety million people. So even if you 296 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,960 only have let's say fifteen percent of that population of 297 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,519 the adult population, that's still in the low millions of people. 298 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,200 But question is, at some point do these folks say, 299 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,599 you know what, we've reached the dead end and we 300 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,000 don't want to put our lives on the line. But 301 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:38,839 as I said, they don't have anywhere else to go. 302 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,240 And their mentality right now is killer, be killed. 303 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,839 Speaker 2: Sadly, that's it. Kill or be killed. That's the mentality. 304 00:17:46,079 --> 00:17:50,160 Becca Hindrich, who worked for the Hudson Institute, that's her 305 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,200 area of study, and see what she has to say today. 306 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 9: I think that the United States is working very hand 307 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,279 in glove with the Israelis about targeting, and so I 308 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,799 expect exspect. This is one of those instances in which 309 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,519 the United States knew the Israelis would do this actually, 310 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,519 but we were not participating in it. It was a 311 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,240 limited strike, and it's meant to do what I said 312 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:12,359 in the last time I just spoke, which is it's 313 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,559 militari it's military coercion over energy markets. So the United 314 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:19,039 States and israel Is saying we don't want to destroy 315 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,039 your ability to produce oil and gas, and this particular 316 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,559 field data is really important because it provides seventy to 317 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,960 eighty percent of energy to the Iranian people. And our 318 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,480 war is not with the Iranian people. But we want 319 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,920 to say to the regime we have the ability to 320 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,680 do this, we don't want to do it. But by 321 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,680 the way, the Iranians have been attacking oil and gas 322 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:43,440 infrastructure against the Saudis, the Qataris, the Emiradis, and so 323 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:45,480 this is not the first time, but it is the 324 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:47,920 Israelis responding saying, look, we can do this too. 325 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,079 Speaker 6: You don't want to play this game. 326 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 9: So I think that the first of all, to keep 327 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,039 in perspective, we were only in three weeks into this war. 328 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,759 I mean wars can it can? It would still if 329 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:58,400 it was a year long war, that would still be 330 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,279 a very short war terms of the length and duration 331 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,440 that these things can go. I don't think it's going 332 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,119 to be that. I still believe that it's going to 333 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,079 be short. But we want to make sure that we 334 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,200 win the peace on terms that are good for the 335 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,640 American people. We are already dramatically safer than we were 336 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,359 three weeks ago, four weeks ago before this war started, 337 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,680 but we really do need to get our allies on side. 338 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:21,680 President Trump has used a lot of vinegar in diplomacy 339 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,519 with our allies. We've got to use some honey now 340 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:25,519 because we do need them. It'd be great to have 341 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:28,039 a coalition to help us open that straight. And by 342 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:31,720 the way, Eastern Europe, the Baltic countries, small countries, they're 343 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:34,440 the kings when it comes to mind sweeping. They've got 344 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,799 more capabilities than we do. So we need to get 345 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,119 some allies on side to get this thing done. But 346 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,319 I do believe the Iranians are on their back foot 347 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:43,119 and we're going to be in a better place I 348 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,440 think in the coming months. 349 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,599 Speaker 2: Well, I hope she's right. She's smart lady, and that's 350 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,000 what she studies. And it does appear that militarily we 351 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,400 are trouncing them, but at the same time, they're still 352 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,680 able to fire missiles and drunes. They're not done, and 353 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,799 they're trying as hard as they possibly can. So what 354 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,279 about the oil and gas fields and what about the 355 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:10,519 oil and gas markets? Fred Kempey is analyst in the 356 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:13,640 oil business. See what he has to say. 357 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 10: So both things are true that you just said, which 358 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,960 is that you can't cut and run. You have to 359 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,440 finish this mission or you're going to head up in 360 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,119 the worst of all worlds. And the longer it goes on, 361 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,440 the more energy prices are going to go up. There 362 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,160 are really two wars going on. One is Israel and 363 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,400 the United States on the Iranian regime, and the other 364 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:39,039 is the Iranian regime's war on the global economy. What's 365 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,000 changed is because of all of these attacks on Iran's 366 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:46,359 golf neighbors, the golf neighbors agree with the President of 367 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 the United States that one can't cut and run, can't 368 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,359 one can't reward Iran for being the destabilizing factor. It's 369 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,720 again become at a time when it's at the weakest 370 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,000 point it's been in the last forty years in terms 371 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,759 of its military cape abilities, it's proxies, it's nuclear capability. 372 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,920 So I think you're going to see a real tension 373 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,599 here between the growing rise in oil prices, uncertainties after 374 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,000 the strikes of the last twenty four hours on the 375 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,200 natural gas fields, and the conviction I'm part of not 376 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:23,480 just the United States but the Gulf that one can't 377 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:24,680 let her on get away with us. 378 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: So the President meantime is politically very desperate to find 379 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 a way to get oil and gas prices lower. But 380 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,880 Fred Kempy doesn't think that he's looking for a way 381 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,039 out of this war that takes priority over the price 382 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:40,680 of gas. 383 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,519 Speaker 10: I don't think he's looking for an off wrap. I 384 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,599 think as long as the Straits before Moves are blocked, 385 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,279 and they're not really closed, they're just blocked, no ship 386 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,039 or feels particularly safe going through, whether or not you 387 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 have insurance. But as long as it's blocked, I don't 388 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,640 think Donald Trump is going to stop his attacks on Iran. 389 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,359 It's a really high stakes game of chicken, and the 390 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,640 feeling is the more targets that the US can hit, 391 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,519 the closer we come to a point where one can open, 392 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:13,400 at least to a certain extent of the Straits before 393 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,240 Moves and where Iran is going to have to back down. 394 00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,359 But what you're seeing is something that one didn't want 395 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,119 to happen, which is Iran ratcheting up. Whether or not 396 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,440 the President knew about the Israeli attack on the gas field, 397 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:30,119 which was then followed by the Iranian attack on the 398 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,759 Katari part of the gas field, that's certainly where things 399 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:36,079 where things have ratcheted up to right now. 400 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: You mentioned the Katari part of the field. The Katari 401 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:47,279 and Iranian gas fields are geologically the same that summer 402 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,720 just on one side of the border's line and the 403 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,119 others are on the other side of the line of 404 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,720 the border between the two countries. But that's yeah, So 405 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,799 Israel attack the gas fields on the Iranian side. Iranians 406 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:05,960 attacked the gas fields from the same geological foundation on 407 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,960 the Qatari side. So that portrays the fact that the 408 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,400 Iranians are also getting desperate, and the question is how 409 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,319 desperate are they? 410 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 10: Well, I think you have to watch the Iran side 411 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,640 of this. I don't think the president is going to 412 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,720 back off at this moment. There are two to three weeks, 413 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:29,119 although there are people in his administration that that perhaps 414 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,200 one needs to because of domestic political issues, But I 415 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,279 don't think he's going to. So you've got two to 416 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,880 three weeks. We hear from senior military officials, two to 417 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,720 three weeks worth of targets yet to hit in Iran. 418 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,680 If the straits remain essentially closed for five or six weeks, 419 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,759 you could see Brent going up to one hundred and 420 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,480 fifty dollars. That really does get into global recession territory. 421 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,640 If it hangs on for that period of time, and 422 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,680 so it really is a question of can they hit 423 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,920 another over time in Iran that the Iranian calculus ends. 424 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,559 Let's not forget there are three key officials that were 425 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,279 killed this week by Israeli attacks in Iran. So the 426 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,160 pressure continues on Iran, and my bet would be over 427 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,480 time this will end. That will go through a more 428 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,119 difficult time, prices will go up some, but in the 429 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,519 end Iran is so weak that something will give at 430 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:28,559 one point or another. You won't end the war, but 431 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,440 you'll get the war to a situation where the disruption 432 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,920 is such that it's manageable and you can start running 433 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,880 the world economy again. But we certainly didn't go into 434 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,359 this thinking we were going to be in threat of 435 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,359 global recession, and I think we really have to look 436 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,240 at that and see that as a real possibility. 437 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: You heard right, he's using the R word, the recession word. 438 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,039 So Scott Bessant, Treasury Secretary, trying to be creative, is 439 00:24:53,119 --> 00:25:00,400 now talking about not sanctioning anybody buying Iran's oil try 440 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000 and keep the price of the global price of oil 441 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,640 under some sort of control. 442 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,799 Speaker 5: The Iranians had been pushing out that would have all 443 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,400 gone to China. In essence, we will be using the 444 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,200 Iranian barrels against the Iranians to keep the price down 445 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,519 for the next ten or fourteen days as we continue 446 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,920 this campaign. So we have lots of believers. We've got 447 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,160 plenty more that we can do. The largest coordinated spr 448 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:35,880 release in history, four hundred million barrels was approved last 449 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,079 week and some countries are going to do more. 450 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: And that was nice. But did the price go down, No, 451 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,519 it keeps going up. So I don't know about this 452 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,400 using Iranian oil, taking the sanctions off so that the 453 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,160 price of oil doesn't go out of control, doesn't spike up. 454 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,759 But you know they want to try it. We'll see 455 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:59,880 what happens. Wish them nothing but success, but I have 456 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:06,279 my doubts. Meantime, in other news, you've got the Epstein 457 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,279 hearing very weird. Yesterday late evening there was a hearing 458 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,519 the Oversight Committee had and they brought in Pam Bondy 459 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,319 and Todd Blanche, the number one and number two people 460 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,880 in the Justice Department. And instead of asking them questions, 461 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,640 the Democrats, not all of them, some of them on 462 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,240 the committee threw a hissy fit and literally would not 463 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,000 ask a single question of the number one and number 464 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:39,680 two person from the DOJ. They were right there in 465 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680 front of them, and instead they just gave speeches and 466 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,559 a couple of them demanded television cameras. That's what they wanted, 467 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,640 was television so they could do their performance. The committee chairman, 468 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,039 James Comer is just shaking his head. 469 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,559 Speaker 11: It's a briefing and it's different. But would the Democrats say, oh, 470 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,839 there's a cover up, there's a cover up that we'll 471 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,400 talk about it, talk about ask it. There was not 472 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,880 one question from the Democrat. There were from Republicans, and 473 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359 obviously the Democrats had someone secretly tape recording that in 474 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,680 there because reporters were going into great detail about, you know, 475 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,319 the conversation that I had with Summer Lee and all 476 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,440 of that. So, uh, that's a violation of the rules too, 477 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,200 but I don't care. I stand by what I said. 478 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,759 And uh, it's unfortunate to the Democrats that they they 479 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:41,759 displayed a gross lack of seriousness. That's very concerning moving forward. 480 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: So they're going to try it again, But at this 481 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:51,880 point it was basically of farce and in that category 482 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,640 of Epstein says our Chavez. I told you at the 483 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,680 top of the podcast. I mean he is literally at 484 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,759 a level of almost saying in especially the Hispanic community, 485 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,119 especially in California. He was the founder of the United 486 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,920 farm Workers Union. And there are people shocked to find out. 487 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,720 New York Times wrote a lengthy piece after a five 488 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:21,319 year investigation that he was sexually attacking women that worked 489 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:27,599 for him, but also underage girls, so very much along 490 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,880 the Epstein line. And there's nothing, no, nobody, nobody can 491 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,960 stick up for Sazar Chavez. I mean in California alone, 492 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,440 since I lived there for a long time I'm familiar with. 493 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,799 There are plazas named after him, there are statues of him, 494 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,599 there are streets and buildings named after him. There's a 495 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,759 statewide holiday it's coming up at the end of the 496 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:02,480 month in California. And even Governor Gavin Newsom was holding 497 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,039 a news conference yesterday for something else. On the reporter, 498 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,559 of course, brought up these accusations about says Oar Chavez 499 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,160 in the California state holiday. 500 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 9: Would you consider changing the holiday name to reflect the 501 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:17,240 movement instead. 502 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 12: Of the yeah, look I would, yeah, no, I appreciate, 503 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,720 and look, yeah, I'm oping. Obviously these are brand new conversations. 504 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,440 So we're having conversations in a very public way right now, 505 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720 but those are important conversations. I think we need to 506 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:34,359 have those conversations. I think that's the right thing to do. 507 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,599 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it just hit me. That was very 508 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,279 much a Kamala Harris answer. When you don't know what 509 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,839 to say, you say, let's have a conversation about it. 510 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:44,519 That's what she used to do. She used to do 511 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,359 that all the time. Well, I think we should have 512 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,599 a conversation about that. Well what about this controversial topic. Well, 513 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440 I think we should have a conversation about that. So 514 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,880 that's what Gavin Newsom just did. Senator Alex Padilla, who 515 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,759 is one one of the senators from California, was asked 516 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:03,160 about it. 517 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I appreciate the question, Jake. And look, yes, 518 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,599 we're gonna rework that piece of legislation, not just for 519 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720 the name and the title of the legislation, but the 520 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,640 substance of it as well, to better reflect the form 521 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,880 worker movements as it pretends to today's reports that we've 522 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,319 all read in the New York Times, image just saying 523 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:28,599 it is heartbreaking, these horrific accounts of abuse and so yes, 524 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000 first and foremost, Like so many of us, we stand 525 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,960 with the victims. They deserve to be heard, they deserve 526 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,960 to be supported, they deserve to be treated with dignity 527 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:43,640 and respect. We have to demand accountability whenever there's an 528 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,359 instance of exploitation, a piece of minors, the stuff that 529 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,160 we're learning about in real time. And I think the 530 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,200 best way to honor the formworker movement and the values 531 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,319 that it represents, the justice and dignity for all, is 532 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,680 to not shy away from these very painful conversation that 533 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,839 we're having in real time across the country, but to 534 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:09,200 also lean in to the true values of the movement 535 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,960 and the med accountability whenever we showed these instances of abuse. 536 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,039 Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to demand accountability. The 537 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:20,440 man died twelve years ago, so they can't. No, they 538 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,519 can't drag him out of the grave. But that is 539 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,559 at least he had an answer. It was pablom, but 540 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:29,920 he had all the right words in there about you know, 541 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:36,440 we're gonna oh, this is terrible. Even involves Dorothea Werte, 542 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:40,720 who was the co founder of the United farm Workers Union, 543 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,039 and she's a very elderly lady now but she's still 544 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:49,839 with us, and she said that he raped her twice, 545 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,440 So it's an ugly story. Matthew Garcia wrote a book 546 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:03,119 about the well out Chavez and Wuerta and the starting 547 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,880 of the United Farmworkers Union. This is his reaction. 548 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 13: Yeah, during the nineteen seventies, when the Farmaker's movement had 549 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,440 gained so much first contracts for field workers and an 550 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,279 Agricultural Labor Relations Act that allowed them to have collective 551 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,319 bargaining rights, Caesar took his eye off the goal. He 552 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,920 wanted to build an intentional community at Lapause, the headquarters, 553 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,960 and he moved to purge people that he saw as 554 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,359 people that betrayed the movement and betrayed him. And I 555 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,200 think those aggressive behaviors now we see it in a 556 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:41,880 wider light that it also involved victims, very young victims 557 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,680 in this case girls and Dolores. Yeah, I documented an 558 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,440 extramarital affair that apparently, I'm told, shook loose some repress 559 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,400 memories of the victims. It came forth in a closed 560 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,400 Facebook list that people talk about. The asked and then 561 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,759 they were forced to put it down. But there was 562 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,559 enough people that saw it that they wanted to blow 563 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,839 the whistle, and they reached out to me, and I 564 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,160 facilitated the communication with Manny and Sarah at the New 565 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,000 York Times, and then I helped Manny and Sarah over 566 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,160 the five years that it took for them to do 567 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,160 their tremendous reporting. I understand their desire to get this right, 568 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,799 but I think it's really important for them to take 569 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:31,359 a beat and step back. They created a confidential channel 570 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640 for other victims to come forward, and I think we're 571 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,559 at the level where if someone did experience something with Caesar, 572 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,200 it's something that should be reported to authorities. At this point, 573 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,160 I'm really wondering about the victims and what legal recourses 574 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,319 they have, and how they might given the changing statutes 575 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:58,480 of limitations on prosecuting, you know, these kinds of abuses, 576 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,359 how might they get recompense from the enablers or the 577 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,000 perpetrators or the profiteers. We've seen this in Epstein, and 578 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:10,679 I wonder if we will see it here. 579 00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 2: It's very Epstein is ish, isn't it? Where the question 580 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,519 is are there our neighborhoods, Because again, Sayzarshav has died 581 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,719 in two thousand and thirteen, so you're not going to 582 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,079 get him. But were there other people that were helping 583 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,800 him get these women and the especially the underage girls. 584 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,760 It's also not I hate to be so brash about it, 585 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:43,360 but I mean Epstein, powerful billionaire, pushed his way around 586 00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,760 to get underage girls and women. Look at John F. 587 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,639 Kennedy was famous for the trysts that he had on 588 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,000 a regular basis, even when he was in the White House. 589 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,840 Bobby Kennedy, same Martin Luther King. They documented a number 590 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:07,920 of affairs, not underage girls, but affairs. So these are powerful, 591 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:15,960 powerful men that take their power into areas that they 592 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,559 should not have gone. So this says our Chavez story. 593 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,239 Like you heard from Gavin Newsom, he was it was 594 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,920 flat foot. He didn't know what to say. He did 595 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,159 not know we need to have a conversation about it. 596 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,840 That's all he could come up with. So this this 597 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,519 is just the beginning. So Wall Street today was like 598 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,840 we've been experiencing the roller coaster. Today was a down day. 599 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: It was. 600 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,119 Speaker 2: It was down in a number of ways though. The 601 00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:47,079 Dow down two hundred three at forty six thousand and 602 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,360 twenty one. So I believe that brings us back to 603 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,280 below where we started the year, down two hundred three 604 00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:01,280 to forty six thousand and twenty one, the SMP down eighteen. 605 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,000 But there's also some technical problems with this. This is 606 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,840 puts the S and P five hundred below its two 607 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:14,639 hundred day moving average, and yeah, that is a bad 608 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:19,239 technical sign. Nazdack down sixty one. The price of gold 609 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,360 fell two hundred and forty four dollars down to four thousand, 610 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,800 six point fifty one, and oil down a dollar today. 611 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,119 There's a difference between This is West Texas I always 612 00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,119 give you because that's the benchmark for the US Brent 613 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,280 brent Is indexes over one hundred, was over one hundred 614 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,800 and sixty day, but the West Texas Intermediate Crew the 615 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,480 US prices if you will, down a dollar to ninety 616 00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:51,360 five dollars and some change for a barrel of oil. 617 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,639 Well that's it for today. Thank you for coming by. 618 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,480 We will be back again tomorrow. I hope to see 619 00:36:58,519 --> 00:36:58,719 you that 620 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 10: Ass