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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode of Bravo

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We're Black and another stunning episode of our favorite I mean,

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I mean I at this point I want to know

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because I have Jay here, who is obviously the one

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that I talked to about Prestige Television. Another stunning episode,

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beautiful episode of Industry, which I personally feel like has

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graduated from the title that everyone gave it, which was

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like baby Industry, and it's coming into its own like show.

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It's kind of what I imagine, you know, like when a

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good show in, such as Succession or like Madmen or

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something like that, when a good show in and you're like, oh, man,

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like I really wonder where these characters would end up.

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It's giving us that and more like it's just so

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good that it's turned into something else entirely, like what

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are you thinking?

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Speaker 2: Me and Kendrick.

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Speaker 1: We did a mid season breakdown because we know that

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you were getting some well needed rest. We needed the

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mid season breakdown, and we put all our thoughts and

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jokey jokes out there, but like, we got to get

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down to business because we're coming to the end of

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the season and shit just got so real that I

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don't even know how to feel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think we talked out the beginning of this season

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on this show that they do such a good job

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of raising mistakes each season, Like there's such a world

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where industry could have just been like a fun like

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workplace drama. Right, each season is new past of characters

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or other supporting characters are like what the life is

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like on the floor of your Point and last season

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through your Points closure essentially like the office they were

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all working in. Like the show went in a completely

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different direction this season, right, you see Harper, you know,

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it's fully come into.

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Speaker 3: Her own you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as is literally like part of the executive team

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of a fraudulent banking app. So it's just really cool

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to see like just how far all these characters have come,

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and just how the steaks feel so much different. I think,

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I don't know if I I think I did text

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you this, yeah, but I was like, oh, this feels

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more like a movie this season you did, than it

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does an actual TV show, because it's just it's the

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stakes just feel so hot.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, like I said, like it's graduated

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into like a different type of show. Before it was

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just like Okay, these horny kids on the UK version

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of Wall Street kind of just you.

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Speaker 2: Know, doing whatever.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean the stakes are high, and yeah

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you're invested into some characters in some storylines, but it's

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nothing that's like heart pounding what's going to happen next?

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As it is this scene. And I mean we've had

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character deaths, we have had people go to jail, We've

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we've even in this episode alone, we crossed a line

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that I never thought that we would even see on

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even this show.

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Speaker 2: So it is wild.

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Speaker 1: It's called Dear Henry, which references basically like these letters

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that Whitney has been writing to Henry this entire like

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portion of the show. Or we don't even know how

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long he's been writing Henry these letters. Did it start

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when he first hired him, did he have his eye

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on him in a predatory way, or like what where

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does this Whitney character even come from? I mean, it

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just starts off so crazy because we're coming back from

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sweet Peace sweepy supremacy here, you know, and Quibena realizing

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that the thing is nothing and they they don't have

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like solid solid proof to where it's like they can

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show you know that this is all a scam going

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down in Africa or whatever. But they saw with their

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own eyes like how it runs, and you know, Harper,

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I think this is absolutely Yeah, this is the first

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time this season that we see and they make a

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point of that.

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Speaker 2: We see Harper and we see Yaz head to head with.

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Speaker 1: Each other, and they kind of have a conversation and

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Harper is like, I know, this is basically a shell.

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Speaker 2: Of a company, like what are you doing here?

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Speaker 1: And yeahs is like, I mean, but is it really

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like we can who's who is the press really gonna believe?

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Speaker 2: What did you think about the meaning of Harper and Yazz?

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Speaker 1: Like our two ogs, I mean started in so many

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different positions and ending in so many different positions, and

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now they're across from each other kind of I don't

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challenging each other. But also like in a way, Harper

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is really like, I'm in my own fucked up way,

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I'm kind of looking out for you by letting you

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know that this shit is about to go down. Yeah,

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it's like I'm looking out for you and telling you

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that you're kind of out of your league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 4: And what's been floating around on the internet is this

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idea of codependent haters, like they really go at it,

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and I feel like to an extent, they don't like

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each other, but they're codependent, Like they they feel the

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need to kind of continue to meet up, I guess,

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is what I would say, and like have these different interactions.

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I think there's still like a shared camaraderie that they

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have from when they work together at your point, which

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is obviously.

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Speaker 3: You know, what this whole show has been based on.

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Speaker 4: But I think in recent episodes, I don't know if

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you feel this way, but I feel like the character

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from Severance where he's like he dumb question mark, like

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is yasma dumb?

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Speaker 3: Like to what extent it?

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, she introduces Henry to Whitney. She's getting

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involved in this in this tender organization with ess actially

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no due diligence at all.

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Speaker 3: You know, it.

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Speaker 4: Seems that like all these crazy things happened to her,

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but it doesn't seem that there's ever been a moment

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where she's paused and has asked herself like is this

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a good idea?

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Speaker 3: You know, Like should I marry.

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Speaker 4: This man, this addict and then live in the countryside

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while he like destroys himself. Should I go work with

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this guy, you know, Whitney, who is very clearly a

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shady character, who's literally watching my husband shower like like.

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Speaker 1: The flowers in his hand exactly. And then Henry's like,

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what's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, right, we did this in common.

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Speaker 2: No Poma in high school, Like what are you talking about?

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It's just like, I love how just like nonchalant he

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was about it. It's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think do you think she is?

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She is just dumb? Like where did they go?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, I think actually I thought she had it like

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down pat from the beginning half of this season, right,

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I feel like episodes one through four, I'm like, oh shit,

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you know what, yeahs got into this shit and she

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married the wrong person and this guy is an attic,

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but she figured out how to kind of puppet master him.

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to see if the company that they're actually betting everything

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on his comeback on. He's doing big speeches about it.

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of essentially and putting herself back into the mainstream media

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to back this company. And I'm like, okay, well, this

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is before we find out that it's a it's just

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all falling apart. And then on this back half, I'm

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just like, oh, okay, they're pretty much like.

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Speaker 2: In opposite positions.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Harper started off this season everything's gone

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to shit, and yeah, everything is coming up roses because

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not only did she get this guy another project to

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work on, and he seems like he's, you know, not

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an addict anymore.

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Speaker 2: Which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: This this episode, he was like, I think I have

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it under control and he's like what. She's like, oh,

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did Whitney offer you the champagne? He's like yeah, but

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it was my idea. It's just so funny. But then

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like it reverses right on this ending half of the season.

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It seems that Harper might be the one that's about

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to come out on top and Yazz is about to

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go down under, and I'm like, at what time do

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they just kiss again? Because they already had a threesome.

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So it's like, you know, to me, it's like they

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need to work together, Like when are these women going

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to realize that they should work together?

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Speaker 2: It would be better, but it wouldn't make for you know,

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a show if they did that ruh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many interesting things that you bring up

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with that where it's like do we think that like

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Haley will get involved, do you think they'll kind of

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come together and you know, like team up on Whitney

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or you know. I feel like the season has had

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so many twists and turns, like does.

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Speaker 3: Whitney come out on top?

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Speaker 4: Like is there a world where there's a there's another

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kind of theme or lesson in this show that like, yeah,

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you can truly fake it until you make it and

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you see it every day, don't exactly? Yeah, well yeah,

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I think that's I mean, the show has done such

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an interesting job of like touching upon different different like

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real life type of things that are going on.

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Speaker 3: I did look this up.

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Speaker 4: Apparently there was a British story.

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Speaker 3: Actually I don't. I don't think it was a British

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but it was.

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Speaker 4: This This season's uh central theme around Tender is actually

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based off of a real company I relieve happened in Germany,

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where I think there was like a German it's actually

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probably worth like finding this and like posting it or something,

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but I think there was like a German fintech company

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that essentially like duped the government to backing it because

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Germany wants to get into this like fintech space. But

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it was all completely fraudulent essentially, right, And it's just

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kind of this interesting intertwining of government of you know,

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like rampant capitalism and all the characters that circle around it.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that has happened right here obviously in

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our backyard, not my backyard, especially like in Florida, this

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whole big there's a bitcoin scan that happened and they

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even named our local like concert venue actor and the

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dude ended up going to jail.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's so wild.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So the beginning of the show Whitney Henry,

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they go out to dinner and there's another guy there

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and I'm just not sure who this guy is or

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what he does, Like they introduced like these.

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Speaker 2: Characters and then they talk in circles, so I'm like, okay.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, later on they go to party and wow,

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what a time.

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Speaker 2: They had a great time partying.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Yas is just like, where the hell are you. Harper,

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as we knew in the last episode, is supposed to

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go to this woman in business conference, and that's what

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I love about Harper she's like women in business, Yeah,

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fuck that, I got some business for you.

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Speaker 4: Here's my take on what's going on.

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Speaker 1: She literally put the sickest power point together and she's like,

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tender fuck that. So she took her time and she's like, tender, listen,

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it's not what you guys think it is. And Eric

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is there like with a smile on his face because

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he knows that this is like, even though she's fucked

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him over so many times, he knows that that's basically

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essentially like his baby, and he's like, I'm so proud,

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his own children, which is we've already talked about that

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weird element. But then yeah, she comes into the presentation

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and she sits and she looks and she's just like, oh, oh, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think it was real.

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Speaker 1: It didn't materialize until we saw all these things that

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harp were pretty much like kind of laid out. She

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goes back, has a conversation with Henry, and Henry is like,

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I don't know if it's better to I don't know

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how to be a good husband to you, Like, is

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it better to lie to you or is it better

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to let you believe like these delusions of yours or

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whatever it is, and I'm just like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: What a terrible like hearing what did you think about that?

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Speaker 4: So I think this episode made me realize that Henry's

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Speaker 4: I think there's also something really interesting that I read

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online that if you look at his wardrobe over to

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the last few seasons or last two seasons, he's always

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in costume. And what I mean by that is not

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just costume of like the medieval party that he threw,

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but he's constantly shaping to whatever kind of thing he's

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involved in. So like last season he was constantly wearing

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gloomy company swag, this season it's you know, tender swag

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and kind of more like pared down like humble ceo,

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you know, kind of kind of vibes, And I think

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it just shows that, you know, one, he's trying to

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like almost put on a suit of armor or put

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on like a superhero outfit so that he can appear

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more than he really is, right and at the core

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of it, he's someone that can be duped very easily, right, Like,

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at the core, that's what it is. But I think

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it also shows that he wants to be this like

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greater figure to everyone around him. And I think that's

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kind of where Yazz in that really really intense scene

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where they're yelling at each other and then she's finally

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just like, no, you're right, No, you're totally right, because

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I think she then realizes it too, so it's like,

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you really so I came to this realization, I think

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at the same time as Yasmin as a character, which

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is so cool when a TV show can do that

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right where you're kind of realizing shit immediately without them

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explicitly saying anything, right, But at the same time as yeah, he.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't know who he is, and she's now realizing that

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he will never know who he is, even if he

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is quote unquote sober, and even if she is trying

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to put him okay, like I got you this thing,

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He's never going to be the man that she thinks

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that he could be. And that's because of the way

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that he grew up, not just with money, but also

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just his mental health, the things that he's seen as

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a boy, and also just how he acts now. And

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it's crazy because we started the season him celebrating his

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fortieth birthday. It's like, when does it end?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild, it's wild.

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Speaker 4: He just needs to like go and chill somewhere for

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how months? I think he just needs to, Like he

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needs years. Yeah, he needs therapy. He needs not to

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be He's to be like single for a while for

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a while.

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Speaker 1: Or just get a boyfriend, Like I feel he got

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a boyfriend, his entire life would be better. But I

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love also the Okay, well let's just get into the

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rest of the episode. So John Day, he's supposed to

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be cooperating and paying basically, you know, saying what he knows.

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He's whistle blowing supposedly, but instead Whitney is like, okay,

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I'm going to Africa.

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was in London and he's like, what the fuck is

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he doing in London.

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Speaker 1: Whitney gets on that plane and it's like I know

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you fucking line, like I'm back on my way.

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Speaker 2: So sweet Pee.

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Speaker 1: And who was it was it when that showed up

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with Sweet Pee?

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Speaker 2: They go and he's like waiting but.

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Speaker 4: The paper, Yes, Whinny beats them, to them, to them.

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Speaker 1: To the breakfast, and Whitney is just like, don't don't

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get too much dippoinrship, Like.

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Speaker 2: It's insane.

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Speaker 1: Would you think of that part because it ends up

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being so like important later on in the episode.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think really what this episode has shown

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is it like Whitney really is that guy, Like he

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is willing to go there and this is This is

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also what I meant by like this season feels more

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like a thriller like a movie than a TV show,

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because you know, we're just seeing a new dimension that

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this show is kind of operating in, like we saw

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it last season. I think when Reschi's life gets shot, yeah,

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that felt very like out of theme for Industry as

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a series. But now I think we're kind of like

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fully in that world now, right where it's like, hey, man,

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like you know, you see this character Whitney that's like, oh,

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I can protect you, like, don't be a whistleblower and

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if you do this, it's not going to work out

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well for you. Yeah, right, like kind of that that wink.

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And then you know from the conversation that he has

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with and I'm not sure like what that Russian guy's

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like title is, is he chief product officer or head

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of technology? But he reveals in this episode that you know,

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like like there's definitely something going on with him. I

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think is like the gist of of what I'm trying

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to get at, like like there's definitely more sinister things

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that are happening behind the scenes, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know she's about to go down because they mentioned I

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don't know if you caught that. Jesse Bloom Cio was

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at the presentation, and anytime Jesse Bloom is mentioned, it's like,

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oh that mother, Yeah you no good but yeah, so

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Sweetpee and Quibina go and they talk to him and

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they think everything is fine.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: After the whole presentation thing, they get the media talking

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and there's an opportunity for them to speak on CNN,

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which I thought that well, before this happens, we get

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video of Eric and an underage girl and he's like,

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make me feel big and she's like, yes, daddy, But

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it was daddy and.

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Speaker 2: A whole another.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, like disgusting way, which is like, oh my god.

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But I thought that he was going to go on

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CNN and like not say anything. But Eric went and

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he kind of like stood on all ten toes. Eric

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and Whitney are on CNN and it was wild. And

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then Whitney and Harper even have a conversation and Whitney

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sings Whitney's Houston's and I'm like, oh, this dude is

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like he's a killer, Like if there was I think

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at the beginning of the show, you're like, I wonder

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if he's bullshit or is this dude to killer.

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Speaker 2: I think they answered your question in this episode.

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Speaker 4: Is that a killer?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Literallyistance and physically, physic, physically, and like emotionally, in

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every sense of the word.

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Speaker 2: There's a because he's cool as a cucumber.

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Speaker 1: He hears about you know, John Day, and he stops

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him right then and there. He talks with the board

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about what's going on, and he's like, don't worry about it.

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This kind of shit happens all the time. He's like, hey, whatever,

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Like he's on the phone with Harper and Harper is

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just like, you know, they're talking, and he's like, I

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wonder if that's why I showed you the most intimate,

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you know, side of myself.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, yo, he's not worried about a

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damn thing. He truly is a killer.

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Speaker 1: And then he just breaks out into song, singing Whitney Houston,

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and I'm like, I hate him, but I also love

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him as a character because he is right down.

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Speaker 4: To I do you think everything you just share, like,

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how do you think that interacts with how Henry views him?

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Still as very like middle class in any ways.

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Speaker 1: Henry is one hundred percent underreacting. I think that he

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he thinks that, Okay, I already went through this song

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dance with the Field Company, but at the end of

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the day, I'm back and I'm essentially royalty, so it

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kind of like doesn't matter what I do. Yazz has

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nowhere to go. I'm just gonna go to this gloryhole.

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I'm gonna have fun, and that's pretty much it. And

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he is underreacting to like, really what damage Whitney could

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do to not only his reputation but also whatever they're

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trying to do there. But yeah, we find out about

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you know, Eric's whole situation with an underage girl, and

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he knows that he has to just back away from

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the situation. But they go on CNN they have banter

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back and forth, and then we find out that Eric

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is signing over the company to Harper and a Harper

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is like, what is this for? And he won't tell

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her and he's like, I just don't want you to

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remember me this way, and she's like, this is how

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I'll always remember you. And that ship was so I

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don't know why, but that it didn't break my heart

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because it's like, Eric, you are a creep, Like why

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why are you?

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Speaker 2: Why? A man will literally Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Did you think Creed last season, like do you think

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he always was this way?

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Speaker 2: Like always been a Creed?

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Speaker 4: Interesting because I thought that he was done after the

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last season, Like I thought his ending was very it's

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the most part positive, right, like he got paid out,

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like in terms of his art, what he was with

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his goals or what he was trying to do. And

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then to see him back this season like bord golfing

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behind the President Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the reason that I that I think

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that he's a creep. I think that the reason that

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he can't let it go. It goes hand in hand

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with like the business side goes hand in hand with

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essentially his sexual needs also, like I think that all

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that is together.

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Speaker 4: I said, And what do you think his is, Like

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what are his needs essentially?

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Speaker 3: Like what drives him?

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Speaker 4: Because I still, like I know we've talked before in

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previous episodes like is he a killer? Can he you know,

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does he go the distance? But I think this season

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has shown him more as a really broken character, like

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00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,359
more so than anything else, and that he's more broken

478
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,359
than he is like someone that's taking all these actions

479
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,200
and being just driven by the pursuit of money and

480
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,000
you know power, and you know, we've made a lot

481
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,799
of comparisons to him to like a Logan Roley type person,

482
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,799
but I think he's actually just like more broken and

483
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,119
shallow than that.

484
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I agree with that, But I think

485
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,359
that what you told me is that you have an

486
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,559
opinion and I want you to elaborate on it, that

487
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,559
they kind of should have just like left him off

488
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:54,519
of this season if this is how it was going

489
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:58,880
to end. I felt like I disagreed because as much

490
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,240
as I hate this for him, it was just so

491
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:08,200
good to see how he and Harper kind of worked together.

492
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: And let's just be real, Harper needed him.

493
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: Mmm.

494
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what are saying, Like, what did you think?

495
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: Well, maybe I need to go back and watch last

496
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,640
season again.

497
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: I just thought that it was a very fitting ending.

498
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 4: Before we knew that he was never going to be

499
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:28,119
like the CEO of Peerpoint, right, we knew that he

500
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,039
was never going to make it to the top. But

501
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,240
I think he you know, when you look at like

502
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,599
the first two seasons of the show, like he gave

503
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,880
Harper a chance, and I think that that was like

504
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,400
the one redeeming thing that kind of carried his character

505
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,039
through the show.

506
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: Is it like he's still.

507
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,079
Speaker 4: A guy that can notice talent and then blessed that

508
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,200
talent when Peerpoint you know, essentially collapses at the end

509
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,519
of last season, which I think is also a little

510
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:59,440
confusing because also Whitney and Tender want to purchase Peerpoint now,

511
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,880
so I guess maybe more more on that in a minute.

512
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:09,440
But seeing Eric leave her Point, it's the empty office

513
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,440
and everything's closed down in London and he's gotten paid out,

514
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,039
like it felt like that was a fitting ending to

515
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,240
this guy that kind of shepherd it in the next

516
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,720
generation of talent for the company, and it was kind

517
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,480
of done like at a certain point, you do make

518
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,400
enough money and you're old and you can kind of chill.

519
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
But then immediately we're like hooked back in at the

520
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,640
start of this season. And what's interesting that I think

521
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000
what they did was it almost felt like Mickey and Conrad,

522
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,160
the creators of the show, like you know, we're shooting

523
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,440
industry like this new season, and then like read online

524
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,960
like oh I Like people were saying like, oh I

525
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,079
hope like Richie comes back, oh I hope Eric comes back,

526
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,640
And then somehow like worked them in because they're still

527
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,079
because he's he's adjacent to the core of the store

528
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:58,319
this season.

529
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,799
Speaker 1: You think because he is like one of the core characters,

530
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,720
that they kind of made a spot for them rather

531
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,680
than them being necessary to the plot.

532
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 4: Maybe, I don't know. He also said in an interview

533
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,839
the actor plays Eric that there's a lot there were

534
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,039
a lot of extra scenes that they did that did

535
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:18,279
not make it into the season.

536
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Ooh, I wonder if they filmed different like alternate you

537
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640
know scene I watched him personally guys on the Live

538
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,480
Action Avatar where he's just as good. So if anyone

539
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,720
wants to go watch the Live action Avatar, it's now

540
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:31,680
streaming on Netflix.

541
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,839
Speaker 2: The new season should come out this year.

542
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,039
Speaker 1: Actually, what I also wanted to talk about just the

543
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:40,160
last two things here.

544
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: I think it was Whitney who called.

545
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Jonah, right, and this is Jonah from earlier in the season.

546
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,960
Jonah also ended up talking to was that yeah, sweet pea,

547
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,640
and he was at the strip club and he's like,

548
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,119
usually you guys make me.

549
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Pay money to talk, and so he's just such a creep.

550
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,079
Speaker 1: Right, he calls Jonah and Jonah's like, you better get

551
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,160
a lawyer or kill yourself. What did you think of

552
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,920
that scene? Like, what does he mean? So that's a Whitney,

553
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,039
So that's over the phone, Like that had a fun

554
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,039
way to who who do you say that to Whitney?

555
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: But who's he talking to?

556
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,519
Speaker 2: Jonah?

557
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: Right?

558
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I was kind of puzzled by that, to

559
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:31,759
be honest, because, like the guy who plays Jonah's obviously

560
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,519
a big actor, Like I thought he'd be more involved

561
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,240
in this season, and he just hasn't been. Right, Like

562
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,200
the whole premise of the Pot or the first episode

563
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,400
of the pilot of this season was that you know,

564
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,759
it was a breakup essentially of two business partners and

565
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
the fallout of that, and so I don't know, I

566
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,759
mean I would I would kind of put it back

567
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:51,920
on you what you think of it, Like do you

568
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,599
think he's gonna come back in at the end as

569
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,279
like this smoking gun that gets Whitney and then like

570
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:02,400
regains control of Tender. It just seems that he Like

571
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,319
I don't know what to make of that character, because

572
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400
I really wish he was more involved in this season.

573
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
I wish we saw him just being like a drunk

574
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,440
kind of like chaotic force that's just trying to screw

575
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,799
over everybody, But we don't really see that.

576
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we kind of see him just like accept

577
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,559
that that's what happened. But then he gets a call

578
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,160
from Sweetpea and he's like, oh, what's going on? I

579
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,160
don't know. I don't know what to think of it

580
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880
because I still don't really understand the dear Henry part

581
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,759
of it, even though that was the episode and we

582
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:34,799
heard him create it.

583
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,279
Speaker 3: What was what?

584
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: Please tell me? What did you make of these? Yes

585
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,720
so inserts these letters? Why did he do it? What

586
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:42,319
are they about?

587
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: Like?

588
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: What's going on?

589
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: That iem was actually one of my favorite parts of

590
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,680
this episode and the overall kind of like premise of

591
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,039
Whitney's character. So I think the idea here is that,

592
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,720
you know, we know Whitney is obviously a very dangerous person.

593
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,200
He wants tender to be successful. Heart of that strategy

594
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,119
is getting into bed with the government, so it's like

595
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,960
we're almost too big to fail, and so Henry is

596
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,279
inherently part of that strategy. When he met Yaz, when

597
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,559
they got together, Whitney wanted to be introduced to Henry

598
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440
and to make him the CEO of his company because

599
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:22,039
it inherently puts like the royal stamp on what he's doing.

600
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,759
And so I think where Whitney comes with those letters

601
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:30,599
is one it's almost like falsifying and incriminating evidence, right

602
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,599
of like, hey, we've been in this together from the beginning, right,

603
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Like we're in this, right, You're you're in as deep

604
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000
as I am, Henry, Right Like if these are handwritten letters,

605
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,720
I'm saying that we've done all this stuff together.

606
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: You know, there's maybe no way to prove it.

607
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:50,119
Speaker 4: But it's still really damning, and Henry is like weak

608
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640
enough essentially to continue to fall into the trap. Right

609
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,200
you see him going on Whitney's side when when he's like, no,

610
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,799
we need to do an audit that's like more drawn

611
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,759
out right, we don't want any like we want this

612
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,519
to take time, blah blah blah, Like he's trying to

613
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,559
delay and obtuskate.

614
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 3: Muddy the waters of.

615
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,319
Speaker 4: You know, an audit that would find Tender to be

616
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,599
a completely fraudulent company, which at the very start of

617
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,079
this episode when they're at dinner with the auditor, that's

618
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,240
what they're talking about. And so I think Dear Henry

619
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,519
is really this kind of like the idea of it

620
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,720
is like it's like a love letter from Whitney to

621
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,920
Henry of being like, Hey, we're in this thing together

622
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440
whether you like it or not, Buddy, I got you right.

623
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:41,039
And you're starting to see the fear building between Henry

624
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,359
and Yazz, and that also kind of wilf spur Yaz

625
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,039
do she kind to try to protect him because she

626
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,720
has no other choice.

627
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she's she's what did the guys say?

628
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you you hired a terrible directo communications

629
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,960
because they couldn't find Henry or Yaz at the time exactly.

630
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,240
So it was just like that another banger of an

631
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:07,079
episode of Industry. I can't wait to see, like where

632
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:07,799
this goes.

633
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,679
Speaker 2: I don't know what it looks like.

634
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: What what Stern Yeah, what Stern Town looks like?

635
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Without Eric? Harper is kind of like not necessarily quote

636
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,639
unquote on her own, but.

637
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: She she no longer has Eric, and how is this

638
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,039
going to work out? She has a capital, she has

639
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:37,280
like a not the smoking gun necessarily, but Eric kind

640
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,719
of gave her the alley oop before he left, like

641
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,079
that seeing in an interview, you know, the woman in

642
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,119
conference thing that happened. I mean they also have like

643
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,920
is Jonah gonna go on their side or is he

644
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,360
gonna go on Whitney side, Like it's gonna be very

645
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,199
oft to see where it lands. And I can't wait

646
00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:59,760
for the rest of the season. I mean, this was

647
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,800
what it's so good fix right?

648
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,679
Speaker 2: Six two left, two more left.

649
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a short season like it. And again it's

650
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,320
like I I'm always so impressed with where the show

651
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,719
takes itself, how it continues to raise the stakes, right,

652
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,320
how it continued to feel so different from previous episodes,

653
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,039
previous seasons, and it's just amazing to say, Like, I

654
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:30,079
I don't know, you know, generally I think for Eric

655
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,840
it's he served more of the plot than bringing back Rishi.

656
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,079
But it's cool to see those early again. And I

657
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,480
actually do like, I do think it's different that like

658
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,679
usually when a character like comes back right, like gets

659
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:45,800
pulled out of the you know, when you thought they

660
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,440
were gonna be like gone or whatever, and they come back,

661
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,000
it's like they're coming back and they're in a huge

662
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,840
role for the new season and they see it all

663
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,800
the way through. Like I kind of like actually in

664
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,800
a certain way that it's like a tease, right, it's like,

665
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880
oh you you like Rishi? Okay, Yeah, we're gonna bring

666
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,360
him in for these a couple of big moments, and

667
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,559
then we're going to leave him like physically broken on

668
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,920
the side of a road.

669
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: And that's just that's just a jumping.

670
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Out of the window, like wow real, I mean, yeah,

671
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
I think that's that's that's honestly every Oh. What I

672
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,360
also did love was when when they were talking to

673
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,400
John Day and he kind of just became like this

674
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,480
champion of Africa. He's like, you guys, the Western realization

675
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,400
really underestimates, you know, what Africa can be. And I'm

676
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,599
just like, shut you know up, scammer, Bro, He's turned

677
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:43,639
into a Nigerian scammer and it's hilarious because he's a

678
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:44,119
white man.

679
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: So fine, so funny.

680
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: But is there anything else you want to add?

681
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,159
Speaker 3: No, I think that's it. I think it's just what.

682
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,519
Speaker 4: I'm ready to see this thing come in for a landing.

683
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:59,840
I think that next episode they're gonna be super explosive. Yeah,

684
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,119
I feel like we'll have to come in and recap

685
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:02,519
all that.

686
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 2: Where we're at now though, don't you see the season

687
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,880
five coming?

688
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,679
Speaker 4: That's a great question. Part of me is like, yes,

689
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,760
I want it. Part of me like, okay, I'll put

690
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,639
it this way, if I could choose between a season

691
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,719
five or HBO giving the green light to Mickey and

692
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,159
Conrade to create another series, I think I would pick

693
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,119
another series just because it'd grown so much as TV

694
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,760
filmmakers in the last few years, like they've I feel

695
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,840
like they've blown past proving themselves with this series, and

696
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,079
I want to see them try to tackle something else.

697
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,079
Speaker 3: This was their first TV show, Okay.

698
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: You know is a first is It's like, how do

699
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,239
you even like just let them do everything exactly?

700
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: Does it that scratch the left from succession? Before? I

701
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,639
was like, we were such succession snobs.

702
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: We're like nothing will ever ever.

703
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: But now this season, I'm.

704
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Like, hold on. And then they even they even said

705
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,960
something that Logan Roy said I think that I had texted.

706
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:17,639
Speaker 2: You about it. What did they say? Oh my god?

707
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,800
What did he say? Oh my god?

708
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: He was like, oh this this is not a serious person.

709
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,679
And I'm like, oh, I remember when Logan said that,

710
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,000
tell his family like you are not serious people, And

711
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,440
I'm like, damn. That kind of intersected perfectly.

712
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 4: But another series in the finance tech world with a

713
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,320
British flair, Yeah.

714
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:44,599
Speaker 1: And Dave me fucking too, So all right, guys, we

715
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,519
will be back next week to talk more about the industry.

716
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Jay is back. We got two episodes left. That means

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you got two episodes left. Catch up and thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,