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and cats. I have many of my own. Have actually
five dogs and five cats, and they're amazing. Two labradors,
two French bulldogs, and a labordoodle. And I have great
mutt cats that have all been adopted from my hospital
and are just amazing. I think when cats come into
my house with you know, all the dogs in the
commotion and the other cats, they settle right away. And
I often joke that all of my cats read the
Dog Book by mistake. I mean, they are like dogs.
They want to cuddle. They're jumping up on your lap,
they're jumping up in bed. I think one of the
limiting factors right now for me getting more pets is
just that I can't find a bed bigger than a
California King. They're all sleeping right on top of me,
which is the way it's supposed to be anyway. So
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If anyone who wants to, have you ever seen or
been to a show like this?
Speaker 2: This is it?
Speaker 3: This is like this and the Backer shows. These are
shows that sort of everybody comes. Super Zoo is another one.
But they're great, great shows where everybody gets to show
off their new products. And most people walking the show
or owners of the buyers from the big stores or
from pet stores, and they want to see what manufacturers
are doing nowadays. And I'm always fascinated. There's some pretty
cool products that I see every single year, and I'm
sure this year will be no different. We're going to
see some great stuff. So over the last couple of weeks, well,
I've been doing a series because somebody of you are
afraid to call in or are afraid to join in
the conversation, and since I love talking about animals, my
goal has always been.
Speaker 2: What I like to call practical medicine.
Speaker 3: And I think one of the problems that I see
and any of you, I'm sure you've been to a
veteran aia with your pets. Everything has gotten so darn
expensive and everything is so high tech.
Speaker 2: My premise has always been that we don't need that.
We don't need it.
Speaker 3: I should rephrase that we don't need it at the start.
It's great to have. I have the toys in my practice.
I do ultra sounds like every day, I have laser therapy,
I have laser surgery. I mean, I have the toys.
But the key is you can't forget the basics. And
I think what's happening is because of all the technology
and because of all the high tech medicine, and that is.
Speaker 2: What students are exposed to go to veterinary school and
it's the norm.
Speaker 3: He's the teaching hospital. And when you see those cases
at the teaching hospital, you are seeing and many of
you who listen to the show, I've used this a lot,
the zebras.
Speaker 2: You're seeing the zebras. What do I mean by that?
Speaker 3: My favorite expression, I use it all the time. It's
a little saying a riddle. You're running along the beach
in Malibu and you hear hoof beats chasing you from behind.
What are you thinking? Horses are zebras?
Speaker 2: And clearly the answer is horses, Well, the zebra. It's
not that it can't be a zebra.
Speaker 3: Possible, but less likely. And I think when a case,
a medical or a surgical case gets to a university
teaching hospital that is a very highly specialized group, and
that is the local either couldn't do it or couldn't
get an answer because of the bizarre nature.
Speaker 2: Of the case.
Speaker 3: Then I send it, if they have one in their town,
to a local specialist. But ultimately it mamed up at
the university. Well, unless the university has what's called a
community clinic where they're getting kind of run of the
mill everyday kinds of cases. Think about what an Terney
student is exposed to all the time. They're exposed to
these really bizarre cases that they may never see.
Speaker 2: In their practice life.
Speaker 3: Ever, yet by being in the med school, they think
it's normal. So when you go to this young veterinarian
who's eager and wants to do everything right, what do
they do. They start going to all those high tech
diagnostics because that's all they know. They forgot. And this
may mean something to some of you, it may not,
but back thirty five years ago, longer forty years go,
you know, I want to be a vetter of since
I was little and I read books by an author.
He was a veterinarian under the pen name James Harriet.
All Creatures great and small, all things bright and beautiful.
I mean, he wrote a number of books and they
were all about his experiences in the countryside of Scotland
where he practiced. And there was no ultrasound machine, there
was no X ray machine, they didn't have endoscopi and
laser and yet this guy was just an amazing vet
And how do you do it? He did it by
connecting with the patient and with the owners, the farmers,
the ranchers, and he got a thorough history and he
used his hands and his nose, And I mean, there's
so many ways that you can just like, for example,
a yeast infection in the ear.
Speaker 2: You don't need us.
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to do psychology nowadays you want to
get confirmation. But the truth of the matter is, anyone
who's been practicing has worth their weight in anything, knows
the smell and the look of a yeast infection in
a canine ear. All right, So it's a matter of
getting back to basics. So always the premise of my show,
Who's Been let me educate you as best I can
to some of those basics. So when you walk into
that vet's office, you don't have to feel like you
know nothing.
Speaker 2: You don't have to feel like they could take advantage
of you because you're just at their mercy.
Speaker 3: And it's okay to question. It's okay to say, g Doc,
that seems like a lot of tests, what's your gut?
What do you think is going on? And he'll hear
or she will give the answer to say, why do
you test for that one first?
Speaker 2: Why do that other test?
Speaker 3: You may get your answer by the extra Why are
you gonna run to an ultrasound or a CT or
an MRI. It's a back case, a disc narrow it
down by your physical exam. You could tell so much
from a physical exam. I always feel like, like you know,
if you ever watch that show House MD Gregory House,
that's what it's all about, by looking at your clues,
making up a big board, putting the possibilities, and ruling
many things out by nature of saying things like, well,
it can't be that, because if.
Speaker 2: It were, then the dog would be doing X, Y
Z as well, and he's not.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it could be, but I know we're gonna
put that way lower on our list for now, and
it's a matter of getting game plan. I call it
practical medicine, and it really is. It's a lost art.
And interestingly, I wrote an article in one of the
veternant journals about this a couple of years ago. I
thought I was gonna get blasted because all these big
specialties and the specialists and these students getting out with
all this amazing knowledge. I thought they were gonna say,
oh my god, you're just like a hokey guy. Well,
I gotta tell you, I got so many positive letters
from veterinarians all over the country saying hallelujah. It's about
time someone spoke up because all of us that have
been practicing for a long time and for me it's
over thirty years, are so disenchanted with what's coming out
of school because they just don't.
Speaker 2: Know any better.
Speaker 3: They're learning the wrong way, and I think the educators
are starting to see it now as well, which is great.
So anyway, that's why we're here. So we've been covering eyes,
we go into organ systems. I'm just trying to give
you a broad view, and I therefore I do want
to hear from you. Eight seven seven three eight five
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know to say hi. Pick up the phone, call in
and say hi. Doctor Jeff just wanted to say hi.
Speaker 2: Boom.
Speaker 3: That was easy, and you're gonna get tell me what
kind of dog or cat you have and you'll get
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Speaker 2: Conger and pro sense.
Speaker 3: How cool is that for doing hardly anything except picking
up the phone and dialing a bunch of numbers and
saying hi. So we were talking about surgery for cataracts
last week. We're going to be We're ending that it's
something that typically is done by a board certified ophthalmologists.
Speaker 2: It's a machine. They use it. They called Faco multification.
Speaker 3: The trends, as if you were listening, have changed, and
now the aphthalmologists prefer immature cataracts. They feel that because
they're taking out the lens, they get better results from
taking out the cataract when it's young and still softer,
Whereas if you wait too long, though, some of the
cataract might contract and the dog might actually then be able.
Speaker 2: To see around this contracture. But it's harder to do
the surgery.
Speaker 3: So the recommendation is go ahead, do it when the
pet is younger. And as I mentioned, they are also
now the lens that is being which.
Speaker 2: Is really not the great lens. Dog's vision is not so.
Speaker 3: Great, but they are implanting a new lens that actually
will give better correction. So it's interesting to note that
a dog who had a cataract could potentially be totally blind.
They have to cataract lens or lenses removed, replaced by
a new lens that give better correction, and these dogs
can see actually better after a cataract surgery than they
ever did before they developed the cataract.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. One eye are both eyes.
Speaker 3: Mentioned again, if cataracts are both eyes, you got two
young cataracts to work with. Chances are you do them
both at the same time. One of them is going
to take but then again it's going to.
Speaker 2: Cost you more.
Speaker 3: Or or do one and say to yourself, look, let's
try this one. I know that doctor's great. We'll see
how we do. If we do well, then leave the
second eye. The dogs, as they said, they get along
just fine. They get along fine with no sight. So
one eye is plenty good. You know, if money's a
real object, do one of the time. If it works great,
you don't need.
Speaker 2: You the second one.
Speaker 3: And if after then you come back into the second one.
Now we've gone through a lot of diseases by the way,
we you know, let's look for a second look at
we talked about glaucoma a couple of weeks ago. The
opposite of glacoma. Glaucoma again is where the pressure in
the eye builds up so much it can cause blindness,
very very painful. It can put a lot of pressure
because of the pressure build up on the optic disc,
thus the optic nerve, causing blindness. Often often these eyes
could be surgically treated with either cryosurgery. They put little
drains in like they do in people, and they actually
just permanent drain so the pressure can continually relieve itself.
Medication a number of really good medications. A phalmic edication
is very expensive, but ultimately many many of these pets
need to have their eyes removed. It's pretty sad, but
again they do just find especially if it's one sided.
The problem is oftentimes when we have these glaucoma cases,
it is bilateral, meaning both eyes, so just something that
we had to keep apart in the pun, keep an
eye on. Uve Itis is the opposite. Ubidis is where
it's an inflammatory condition. However, here the pressures drop too low.
Low normal might be five millimeters of mercury and a
dog with uv idis would be less than five. Not
as painful as glaucoma medically treated, and usually with uv idis.
Speaker 2: You're looking for another problem there.
Speaker 3: A lot of times we have conditions we call ocular
manifestations of a systemic disease, which means that the problem
that we are being seen or we are diagnosing in
an eye is actually not the primary problem. It is
secondary to something else somewhere else in the body.
Speaker 2: It could be anywhere. So a lot of systemic diseases.
Speaker 3: Actually will have some what we call ocular manifestations.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times you really do have to
play detective and we have to get out and find, okay,
what is going on? What diseases is this?
Speaker 3: Can eye condition often associated with let's try to rule
in or roll out those diseases.
Speaker 2: So anyway a way we are at that halfway point.
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now here for another rapidly moving.
Speaker 2: Fifteen or so minutes, ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, anyway, I still haven't not heard from
anybody I want to see. I want one caller just
to pick up the phone eight seven seven three eight
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let me know and let Mark know in our studio
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conversation here on pet life read if you're sitting there
with your computer right there ready to go, that's very very.
Speaker 2: Easy to do as well.
Speaker 3: So we've gone through a lot of eye things. We've
gone through distichias, trichias, so those are the aberon lashes,
micropthalmia that we see in colleagues. That's the eye opening
is actually super super small retinal displaces. We see this
in retrievers where these dogs are often blind. Do they
become blind? Pr A Progressive retinal atrophy PRD progressive retinal dystrophy.
So these are all conditions that we see, but they
are the zebras. They're the ones that you're not gonna
see very often. Glaucoma, cataracts. You're gonna see those a
lot more frequently. Cherry eye, oh my god, depending on
the breede once again, Cocker spaniels, English bulldogs, teachers losses, rottweilers,
You're gonna see a lot of cherry eye. But the
two conditions by far are icee or veterinarian sees more
than anything, probably the most common reasons that people come
in with eye issues. It's gonna be teering we call epiphera.
It's gonna be conjunctivitis, which is a redness and sometimes
staying in discharge around the eye. The sclera, which is
the white part of the eye becomes injected. We call
it scleeral injection. It gets you could see the blood
vessels coming in. It's very pink, squinting sometimes. And lastly
it's the corneal ulcer or erosion, and that is the
scratch on the eye that causes problems. And those are
as I said, far and away the most common things
we see.
Speaker 2: So to get through them, let's for the piffer. The
piffer is normal.
Speaker 3: Natural, it's excessive tearing. And dogs tier often they have
tier glands in the upper and lower portion of their eyelids.
They have as we know now, the accessory nicktotens membrane
has a gland insight called the gland of the third
eyelid that to produces tears. Those are accessory tears. And
we also have tiar ducts that drain these tears. And
where are these tiers typically drained, well, they are drained
through the nose. You can actually, it's so interesting. You
can take a fine nylon suiture material, pass it through
the duct on the inside corner of the lower upper
lid and start feeding it through and it comes out
of the nose. That's assuming the plumbing is normal and
working and everything is cool. Now, what happens to tears
that don't make it through the drain in other words,
through the nose or when there is either a plug
physical plug or a kink in these ducks that are
draining well, then the tears have no choice. If the
tear glands is still working fine, what happens to the tears, Well,
they fill up in the well in the conjunctiva of
the lower part of the eye and then they spill over.
And this happens in more dogs than you know. However,
where do we really see the problem. We see this
problem typically in the white or light colored dogs, the
buff colors, the creams, the whites. The beige is because
why tears when they sit on his hair long enough stained,
they become darker. So we have what's called tears staining.
That is often an esthetic problem. All right, let me
say it again, it's more or less anesthetic problem. It
looks bad to you, but there's really not a problem
necessarily in the plumbing.
Speaker 2: And some easy ways to find out. There is a dye.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about this dye when we get
to the ulcers and the erosions. It's called fluorescine. So
one of the things the doctor may do to see
if the plumbing at least is working is put a
couple of drops of this dye in the eye, or
these little strips fluorescine strips, and you wet the eye
with some saline and you put the strip in and
it looks orange, but it comes down fluorescent green. And
then you take a black light, a woodslamp it's called,
and you put this dog into a dark room, and
if everything is working fine, you are actually going to
see this fluorescent, bright green coming out of the nose,
which is we're supposed to So I comes out.
Speaker 2: In the nose, then you're doing.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: Now what happens when you put it in the eye
and it doesn't come out of the nose. But now
you see the fluorescent coming right here in the face.
So now we know we have some sort of plug.
You can call Rota Ruter or your local plumber, or
you can actually just see us, see your veterinarian. And
there are a number of things that we can do
to try to flush these ducks. Now some dog born
with incomplete ducks. In other words, we can find the opening,
actually canulate it, put a little thin thin needle in
and flush, and all it does is goes nowhere, or
it just comes. If you put in the lower eye,
it comes out of the upper. If you put in
the upper comes out of lower but never makes it
to the nose. Now, one of the problems that one
of my friends hees has any breaky cephalic breed. Break
thesecephalic breeds are those pushed in face.
Speaker 2: Dogs that actually get a kink.
Speaker 3: Because you're taking a duck that's supposed to be like this,
all right, and you compressing, you're smush it on both
ends because the whole face gets pushed in.
Speaker 2: So now this duct there's a lot of kinks in it.
Think about this.
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily shorten, all right, It just gets compressed
as we breed these dolts.
Speaker 2: With shorter and shorter and shorter pushed in faces.
Speaker 3: So if you look at your Persian cats, what do
you see with Persian cats and Himalayans. You see because
they have these little pushed in faces, you see tons
of discharge coming out of their eyes. Because we have
created this monster in our breeding practices. We want the
pushed in face. But with that, it is going to
come some other issues. It's gonna come noisy breathing. It's
gonna come tear stains. It's gonna be these tears that
are falling over the lower lid of the eyes into
the fold. Then the fold is gonna get moist and
with the moist dark. What do you get with moist
and dark you get yeast infections, you get bacterial infections.
Speaker 2: Don't complain. This is what you've read for. So we
have to work with it.
Speaker 3: There are a number of ways we can do it.
There's some good products out there that we can use
that it can either change the pH of the tears
so they're.
Speaker 2: Still there, but they don't leave a stain.
Speaker 3: If, in fact, we think there's an inflammatory condition where
this is a newer problem in an adult dog, well
then you got to say to yourself, wait a second.
If this wasn't there six weeks ago, the duct didn't
get shorter in six weeks.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: That means there must be some condition going on today
that wasn't there six weeks ago. Let's find out what
it is. Is it infection, is it actually debris. Let's
sedate this dog or cat. Let's put a drain into
the ducts the tear ducks, and let's flush and see
if this stuff comes out of the nose. I've had
him where I'm pushing and pushing and pushing nothing nothing,
all of a sudden, like an explosion and the stuff.
So there was obviously something got in the eye that
then got into the duck, started making its way and
actually got stuck.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I flushed and flushed it out,
dog was back to normal. So these are some of
the things we can do.
Speaker 3: Any inflammatory condition can have this effect as well. So anyway,
that's it for today. Next week we are going to
finish with the two most common eye problems that you're
going to take your pet to the veterinarian four. That's
going to be a conjunctive itis or corneal ulco or erosion.
We're going to talk about how, why, the dangers, if
any etc. So no one is getting a free CONG
toy or free pro Sense product today, shame on you.
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Speaker 3: Even if you send me an email during the week
to Drjeff at petlife Radio dot com with a question,
we will answer on air and you will get your
goodies as well. So if that's not enough incentive, I
have no idea.
Speaker 2: What it is. Anyway, Thanks for joining. I know you're
out there. We'll see you next week. Have a wonderful
week once again.
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