1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com and. 2 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,559 Speaker 2: Good morning or good afternoon, whatever the case may be. 3 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:29,199 Speaker 3: You are here live with doctor Jeff Weber, host for 4 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:31,719 the next thirty minutes here on pet Life Radios. Asked 5 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:35,320 events with doctor Jeff, and we have a show it's 6 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,159 really about anything. We love talking about dogs and cats 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,079 if you won't, and then bunch of ways to do that, 8 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:43,439 we'll go through that in just a second. 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: Go ahead and do so, and I will get an 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,240 answer for you. 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,399 Speaker 3: I have a pretty good network of colleagues that pretty 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,439 much do everything. 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: So we're here for you. 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: We are a informational the only call in, live call 15 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:59,520 in show here on pet Life Radio. And so let 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,920 me give you some number some ways to get a 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,600 hold of me. 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That's Drgeff at Petlife Radio 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,840 dot com and I will get that forwarded to me 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,879 asap and we can answer your questions as well. 30 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: You know, we know you're out. 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: There listening and we were trying to induce some conversation. 32 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:46,640 We're trying to encourage you to call in. As a 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,159 matter of fact, our sponsors, Pro Sense Pet Products and 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,879 Kong have been offering and giving away free product to 35 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:58,319 anybody who calls in about anything. I love talking dogs 36 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,319 and cats. I have many of my own. Have actually 37 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,280 five dogs and five cats, and they're amazing. Two labradors, 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,200 two French bulldogs, and a labordoodle. And I have great 39 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:09,680 mutt cats that have all been adopted from my hospital 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,000 and are just amazing. I think when cats come into 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,000 my house with you know, all the dogs in the 42 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,840 commotion and the other cats, they settle right away. And 43 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:20,479 I often joke that all of my cats read the 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,439 Dog Book by mistake. I mean, they are like dogs. 45 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:25,400 They want to cuddle. They're jumping up on your lap, 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,599 they're jumping up in bed. I think one of the 47 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,319 limiting factors right now for me getting more pets is 48 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,439 just that I can't find a bed bigger than a 49 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:35,879 California King. They're all sleeping right on top of me, 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,520 which is the way it's supposed to be anyway. So 51 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:41,159 you have to pick up the phone log on eight 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,919 seven and seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,199 Let's hear from you again. A free pro sense or 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,919 con product going out to you. And we are actually 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,560 not this week, but next week, starting a week from Wednesday, 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,240 is the Global Pet Expo and many of us from 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,719 the Pet Life Radio team will be in Orlando, Florida 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,039 at the Big Globe Pet Expo. Looking forward to that one. 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,599 If anyone who wants to, have you ever seen or 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,680 been to a show like this? 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: This is it? 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,479 Speaker 3: This is like this and the Backer shows. These are 63 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:11,319 shows that sort of everybody comes. Super Zoo is another one. 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,719 But they're great, great shows where everybody gets to show 65 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:18,360 off their new products. And most people walking the show 66 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:21,039 or owners of the buyers from the big stores or 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,840 from pet stores, and they want to see what manufacturers 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,639 are doing nowadays. And I'm always fascinated. There's some pretty 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,199 cool products that I see every single year, and I'm 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,680 sure this year will be no different. We're going to 71 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:36,400 see some great stuff. So over the last couple of weeks, well, 72 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,400 I've been doing a series because somebody of you are 73 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:41,719 afraid to call in or are afraid to join in 74 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:45,000 the conversation, and since I love talking about animals, my 75 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,599 goal has always been. 76 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: What I like to call practical medicine. 77 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:51,879 Speaker 3: And I think one of the problems that I see 78 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:54,000 and any of you, I'm sure you've been to a 79 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,479 veteran aia with your pets. Everything has gotten so darn 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,840 expensive and everything is so high tech. 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,199 Speaker 2: My premise has always been that we don't need that. 82 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:03,879 We don't need it. 83 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: I should rephrase that we don't need it at the start. 84 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,599 It's great to have. I have the toys in my practice. 85 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:12,879 I do ultra sounds like every day, I have laser therapy, 86 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,599 I have laser surgery. I mean, I have the toys. 87 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:19,720 But the key is you can't forget the basics. And 88 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,000 I think what's happening is because of all the technology 89 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,279 and because of all the high tech medicine, and that is. 90 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: What students are exposed to go to veterinary school and 91 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:29,959 it's the norm. 92 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: He's the teaching hospital. And when you see those cases 93 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,560 at the teaching hospital, you are seeing and many of 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,079 you who listen to the show, I've used this a lot, 95 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:39,920 the zebras. 96 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: You're seeing the zebras. What do I mean by that? 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: My favorite expression, I use it all the time. It's 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,879 a little saying a riddle. You're running along the beach 99 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,399 in Malibu and you hear hoof beats chasing you from behind. 100 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:53,600 What are you thinking? Horses are zebras? 101 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: And clearly the answer is horses, Well, the zebra. It's 102 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,279 not that it can't be a zebra. 103 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: Possible, but less likely. And I think when a case, 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,000 a medical or a surgical case gets to a university 105 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,279 teaching hospital that is a very highly specialized group, and 106 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,040 that is the local either couldn't do it or couldn't 107 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,240 get an answer because of the bizarre nature. 108 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: Of the case. 109 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: Then I send it, if they have one in their town, 110 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,160 to a local specialist. But ultimately it mamed up at 111 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,399 the university. Well, unless the university has what's called a 112 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,639 community clinic where they're getting kind of run of the 113 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,959 mill everyday kinds of cases. Think about what an Terney 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,399 student is exposed to all the time. They're exposed to 115 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:38,480 these really bizarre cases that they may never see. 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: In their practice life. 117 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,879 Speaker 3: Ever, yet by being in the med school, they think 118 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,800 it's normal. So when you go to this young veterinarian 119 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,959 who's eager and wants to do everything right, what do 120 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,240 they do. They start going to all those high tech 121 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:54,279 diagnostics because that's all they know. They forgot. And this 122 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,360 may mean something to some of you, it may not, 123 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,279 but back thirty five years ago, longer forty years go, 124 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,879 you know, I want to be a vetter of since 125 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:04,519 I was little and I read books by an author. 126 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,680 He was a veterinarian under the pen name James Harriet. 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,480 All Creatures great and small, all things bright and beautiful. 128 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,759 I mean, he wrote a number of books and they 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,759 were all about his experiences in the countryside of Scotland 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,319 where he practiced. And there was no ultrasound machine, there 131 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,199 was no X ray machine, they didn't have endoscopi and 132 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,519 laser and yet this guy was just an amazing vet 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,279 And how do you do it? He did it by 134 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:33,399 connecting with the patient and with the owners, the farmers, 135 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,680 the ranchers, and he got a thorough history and he 136 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:40,120 used his hands and his nose, And I mean, there's 137 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,519 so many ways that you can just like, for example, 138 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,160 a yeast infection in the ear. 139 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: You don't need us. 140 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: Yes, you have to do psychology nowadays you want to 141 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,240 get confirmation. But the truth of the matter is, anyone 142 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,199 who's been practicing has worth their weight in anything, knows 143 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,759 the smell and the look of a yeast infection in 144 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,480 a canine ear. All right, So it's a matter of 145 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,319 getting back to basics. So always the premise of my show, 146 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,920 Who's Been let me educate you as best I can 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,480 to some of those basics. So when you walk into 148 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,680 that vet's office, you don't have to feel like you 149 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,160 know nothing. 150 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,319 Speaker 2: You don't have to feel like they could take advantage 151 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,399 of you because you're just at their mercy. 152 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: And it's okay to question. It's okay to say, g Doc, 153 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,600 that seems like a lot of tests, what's your gut? 154 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,560 What do you think is going on? And he'll hear 155 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,879 or she will give the answer to say, why do 156 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,120 you test for that one first? 157 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:25,319 Speaker 2: Why do that other test? 158 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: You may get your answer by the extra Why are 159 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,920 you gonna run to an ultrasound or a CT or 160 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,600 an MRI. It's a back case, a disc narrow it 161 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,399 down by your physical exam. You could tell so much 162 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,560 from a physical exam. I always feel like, like you know, 163 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,360 if you ever watch that show House MD Gregory House, 164 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:44,920 that's what it's all about, by looking at your clues, 165 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,920 making up a big board, putting the possibilities, and ruling 166 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,199 many things out by nature of saying things like, well, 167 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,959 it can't be that, because if. 168 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: It were, then the dog would be doing X, Y 169 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:57,680 Z as well, and he's not. 170 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, it could be, but I know we're gonna 171 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,399 put that way lower on our list for now, and 172 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,199 it's a matter of getting game plan. I call it 173 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:07,600 practical medicine, and it really is. It's a lost art. 174 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:10,199 And interestingly, I wrote an article in one of the 175 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:12,720 veternant journals about this a couple of years ago. I 176 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,720 thought I was gonna get blasted because all these big 177 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,279 specialties and the specialists and these students getting out with 178 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:21,720 all this amazing knowledge. I thought they were gonna say, 179 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,439 oh my god, you're just like a hokey guy. Well, 180 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,639 I gotta tell you, I got so many positive letters 181 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,879 from veterinarians all over the country saying hallelujah. It's about 182 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,799 time someone spoke up because all of us that have 183 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:36,600 been practicing for a long time and for me it's 184 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:40,159 over thirty years, are so disenchanted with what's coming out 185 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,639 of school because they just don't. 186 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: Know any better. 187 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,039 Speaker 3: They're learning the wrong way, and I think the educators 188 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,639 are starting to see it now as well, which is great. 189 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,320 So anyway, that's why we're here. So we've been covering eyes, 190 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,440 we go into organ systems. I'm just trying to give 191 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,799 you a broad view, and I therefore I do want 192 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:57,679 to hear from you. Eight seven seven three eight five 193 00:08:57,759 --> 00:08:59,679 eight eight eight two. Just give me a call to 194 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,600 know to say hi. Pick up the phone, call in 195 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:05,080 and say hi. Doctor Jeff just wanted to say hi. 196 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: Boom. 197 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: That was easy, and you're gonna get tell me what 198 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:09,919 kind of dog or cat you have and you'll get 199 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:10,519 a freak. 200 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: Conger and pro sense. 201 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: How cool is that for doing hardly anything except picking 202 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,120 up the phone and dialing a bunch of numbers and 203 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:19,679 saying hi. So we were talking about surgery for cataracts 204 00:09:19,799 --> 00:09:21,679 last week. We're going to be We're ending that it's 205 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,519 something that typically is done by a board certified ophthalmologists. 206 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: It's a machine. They use it. They called Faco multification. 207 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: The trends, as if you were listening, have changed, and 208 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,960 now the aphthalmologists prefer immature cataracts. They feel that because 209 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,159 they're taking out the lens, they get better results from 210 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,240 taking out the cataract when it's young and still softer, 211 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,639 Whereas if you wait too long, though, some of the 212 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:48,240 cataract might contract and the dog might actually then be able. 213 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,519 Speaker 2: To see around this contracture. But it's harder to do 214 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,080 the surgery. 215 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,039 Speaker 3: So the recommendation is go ahead, do it when the 216 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:58,080 pet is younger. And as I mentioned, they are also 217 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,840 now the lens that is being which. 218 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: Is really not the great lens. Dog's vision is not so. 219 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: Great, but they are implanting a new lens that actually 220 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,919 will give better correction. So it's interesting to note that 221 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,480 a dog who had a cataract could potentially be totally blind. 222 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:20,120 They have to cataract lens or lenses removed, replaced by 223 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,200 a new lens that give better correction, and these dogs 224 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,799 can see actually better after a cataract surgery than they 225 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,320 ever did before they developed the cataract. 226 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: That's really cool. One eye are both eyes. 227 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: Mentioned again, if cataracts are both eyes, you got two 228 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:36,960 young cataracts to work with. Chances are you do them 229 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,440 both at the same time. One of them is going 230 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:39,919 to take but then again it's going to. 231 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:40,879 Speaker 2: Cost you more. 232 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: Or or do one and say to yourself, look, let's 233 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:46,440 try this one. I know that doctor's great. We'll see 234 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,039 how we do. If we do well, then leave the 235 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,399 second eye. The dogs, as they said, they get along 236 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,039 just fine. They get along fine with no sight. So 237 00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:55,879 one eye is plenty good. You know, if money's a 238 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:58,639 real object, do one of the time. If it works great, 239 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,279 you don't need. 240 00:10:59,159 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: You the second one. 241 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: And if after then you come back into the second one. 242 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:05,039 Now we've gone through a lot of diseases by the way, 243 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,919 we you know, let's look for a second look at 244 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:09,720 we talked about glaucoma a couple of weeks ago. The 245 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:12,919 opposite of glacoma. Glaucoma again is where the pressure in 246 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,919 the eye builds up so much it can cause blindness, 247 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,759 very very painful. It can put a lot of pressure 248 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:22,639 because of the pressure build up on the optic disc, 249 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,840 thus the optic nerve, causing blindness. Often often these eyes 250 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,360 could be surgically treated with either cryosurgery. They put little 251 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,200 drains in like they do in people, and they actually 252 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,159 just permanent drain so the pressure can continually relieve itself. 253 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,000 Medication a number of really good medications. A phalmic edication 254 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,519 is very expensive, but ultimately many many of these pets 255 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:47,440 need to have their eyes removed. It's pretty sad, but 256 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,320 again they do just find especially if it's one sided. 257 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,600 The problem is oftentimes when we have these glaucoma cases, 258 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,559 it is bilateral, meaning both eyes, so just something that 259 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,320 we had to keep apart in the pun, keep an 260 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,159 eye on. Uve Itis is the opposite. Ubidis is where 261 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,799 it's an inflammatory condition. However, here the pressures drop too low. 262 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,879 Low normal might be five millimeters of mercury and a 263 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,440 dog with uv idis would be less than five. Not 264 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,440 as painful as glaucoma medically treated, and usually with uv idis. 265 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: You're looking for another problem there. 266 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:23,279 Speaker 3: A lot of times we have conditions we call ocular 267 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,200 manifestations of a systemic disease, which means that the problem 268 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:31,279 that we are being seen or we are diagnosing in 269 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,000 an eye is actually not the primary problem. It is 270 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,240 secondary to something else somewhere else in the body. 271 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: It could be anywhere. So a lot of systemic diseases. 272 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: Actually will have some what we call ocular manifestations. 273 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: So a lot of times you really do have to 274 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,519 play detective and we have to get out and find, okay, 275 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,679 what is going on? What diseases is this? 276 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: Can eye condition often associated with let's try to rule 277 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,480 in or roll out those diseases. 278 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:01,519 Speaker 2: So anyway a way we are at that halfway point. 279 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:02,320 It goes very quickly. 280 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,039 Speaker 3: I still have not gotten that call for a free 281 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,600 pro sense or free contoy, so do so eight seven 282 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,080 seven three eight five eight eight eight two Join in 283 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,960 the conversation here at Asktevets with doctor Jeff, or send 284 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:17,279 me quick email to Drgeff at petlife Radio dot com. 285 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,480 It will be forwarded to be real time. 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Find me on pet Life 325 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,879 Radio and remember when Fierce Fashion calls Bark. 326 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,679 Speaker 1: And Swagger every week on demand only on petlife Radio 327 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:52,519 dot com. 328 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:59,879 Speaker 4: Let's Talk Fashion, Let's done Pets Headline Radio. 329 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: Pet live Radio dot com. 330 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: And welcome back here at pet Life RADI asked the 331 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,799 bet with doctor Jeff Mind your host, doctor Jeff Warber, 332 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,120 now here for another rapidly moving. 333 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: Fifteen or so minutes, ten minutes. 334 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, anyway, I still haven't not heard from 335 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,200 anybody I want to see. I want one caller just 336 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:36,000 to pick up the phone eight seven seven three eight 337 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,080 five eight eight a two kind of just to even 338 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,000 let me know and let Mark know in our studio 339 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,960 that you are there and listening, and all it's going 340 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,440 to cost you is nothing. And you get in exchange 341 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,120 some pro sense and a contoy for your pet. You 342 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,159 can't go wrong once again eight seven seven three eight 343 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,399 five eight eight a two. Prove to me that you're 344 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,200 out there, or if you want to join in the 345 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,159 conversation here on pet life read if you're sitting there 346 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,440 with your computer right there ready to go, that's very very. 347 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Easy to do as well. 348 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:05,559 Speaker 3: So we've gone through a lot of eye things. We've 349 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:08,720 gone through distichias, trichias, so those are the aberon lashes, 350 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,079 micropthalmia that we see in colleagues. That's the eye opening 351 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,279 is actually super super small retinal displaces. We see this 352 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,400 in retrievers where these dogs are often blind. Do they 353 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,440 become blind? Pr A Progressive retinal atrophy PRD progressive retinal dystrophy. 354 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,359 So these are all conditions that we see, but they 355 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,920 are the zebras. They're the ones that you're not gonna 356 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,799 see very often. Glaucoma, cataracts. You're gonna see those a 357 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,319 lot more frequently. Cherry eye, oh my god, depending on 358 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,440 the breede once again, Cocker spaniels, English bulldogs, teachers losses, rottweilers, 359 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:40,920 You're gonna see a lot of cherry eye. But the 360 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:46,599 two conditions by far are icee or veterinarian sees more 361 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,440 than anything, probably the most common reasons that people come 362 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,559 in with eye issues. It's gonna be teering we call epiphera. 363 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,759 It's gonna be conjunctivitis, which is a redness and sometimes 364 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,319 staying in discharge around the eye. The sclera, which is 365 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,240 the white part of the eye becomes injected. We call 366 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:09,039 it scleeral injection. It gets you could see the blood 367 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:13,279 vessels coming in. It's very pink, squinting sometimes. And lastly 368 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,880 it's the corneal ulcer or erosion, and that is the 369 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:22,160 scratch on the eye that causes problems. And those are 370 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:25,480 as I said, far and away the most common things 371 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:25,880 we see. 372 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: So to get through them, let's for the piffer. The 373 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,720 piffer is normal. 374 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:34,039 Speaker 3: Natural, it's excessive tearing. And dogs tier often they have 375 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:38,200 tier glands in the upper and lower portion of their eyelids. 376 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,440 They have as we know now, the accessory nicktotens membrane 377 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,359 has a gland insight called the gland of the third 378 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,920 eyelid that to produces tears. Those are accessory tears. And 379 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,039 we also have tiar ducts that drain these tears. And 380 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:58,559 where are these tiers typically drained, well, they are drained 381 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,880 through the nose. You can actually, it's so interesting. You 382 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,720 can take a fine nylon suiture material, pass it through 383 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,960 the duct on the inside corner of the lower upper 384 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:14,920 lid and start feeding it through and it comes out 385 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,839 of the nose. That's assuming the plumbing is normal and 386 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:23,240 working and everything is cool. Now, what happens to tears 387 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:25,920 that don't make it through the drain in other words, 388 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,799 through the nose or when there is either a plug 389 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,160 physical plug or a kink in these ducks that are 390 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,920 draining well, then the tears have no choice. If the 391 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,839 tear glands is still working fine, what happens to the tears, Well, 392 00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:43,039 they fill up in the well in the conjunctiva of 393 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,240 the lower part of the eye and then they spill over. 394 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,759 And this happens in more dogs than you know. However, 395 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,480 where do we really see the problem. We see this 396 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:56,119 problem typically in the white or light colored dogs, the 397 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,960 buff colors, the creams, the whites. The beige is because 398 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:05,319 why tears when they sit on his hair long enough stained, 399 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,640 they become darker. So we have what's called tears staining. 400 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,359 That is often an esthetic problem. All right, let me 401 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,799 say it again, it's more or less anesthetic problem. It 402 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,400 looks bad to you, but there's really not a problem 403 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,720 necessarily in the plumbing. 404 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: And some easy ways to find out. There is a dye. 405 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about this dye when we get 406 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,920 to the ulcers and the erosions. It's called fluorescine. So 407 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,960 one of the things the doctor may do to see 408 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,440 if the plumbing at least is working is put a 409 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:36,920 couple of drops of this dye in the eye, or 410 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,440 these little strips fluorescine strips, and you wet the eye 411 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:42,279 with some saline and you put the strip in and 412 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,279 it looks orange, but it comes down fluorescent green. And 413 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:48,319 then you take a black light, a woodslamp it's called, 414 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:51,240 and you put this dog into a dark room, and 415 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:54,519 if everything is working fine, you are actually going to 416 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,880 see this fluorescent, bright green coming out of the nose, 417 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:04,119 which is we're supposed to So I comes out. 418 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: In the nose, then you're doing. 419 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:06,279 Speaker 6: Well. 420 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: Now what happens when you put it in the eye 421 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,640 and it doesn't come out of the nose. But now 422 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,440 you see the fluorescent coming right here in the face. 423 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:17,519 So now we know we have some sort of plug. 424 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:20,640 You can call Rota Ruter or your local plumber, or 425 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,079 you can actually just see us, see your veterinarian. And 426 00:21:24,079 --> 00:21:25,240 there are a number of things that we can do 427 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,640 to try to flush these ducks. Now some dog born 428 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,839 with incomplete ducks. In other words, we can find the opening, 429 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,119 actually canulate it, put a little thin thin needle in 430 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,680 and flush, and all it does is goes nowhere, or 431 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,279 it just comes. If you put in the lower eye, 432 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:41,960 it comes out of the upper. If you put in 433 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,880 the upper comes out of lower but never makes it 434 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200 to the nose. Now, one of the problems that one 435 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,720 of my friends hees has any breaky cephalic breed. Break 436 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:52,000 thesecephalic breeds are those pushed in face. 437 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,799 Speaker 2: Dogs that actually get a kink. 438 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: Because you're taking a duck that's supposed to be like this, 439 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,119 all right, and you compressing, you're smush it on both 440 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,039 ends because the whole face gets pushed in. 441 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: So now this duct there's a lot of kinks in it. 442 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,240 Think about this. 443 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily shorten, all right, It just gets compressed 444 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,039 as we breed these dolts. 445 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: With shorter and shorter and shorter pushed in faces. 446 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: So if you look at your Persian cats, what do 447 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000 you see with Persian cats and Himalayans. You see because 448 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,960 they have these little pushed in faces, you see tons 449 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,720 of discharge coming out of their eyes. Because we have 450 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,799 created this monster in our breeding practices. We want the 451 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,880 pushed in face. But with that, it is going to 452 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,119 come some other issues. It's gonna come noisy breathing. It's 453 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,599 gonna come tear stains. It's gonna be these tears that 454 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,160 are falling over the lower lid of the eyes into 455 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,599 the fold. Then the fold is gonna get moist and 456 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,359 with the moist dark. What do you get with moist 457 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,400 and dark you get yeast infections, you get bacterial infections. 458 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,839 Speaker 2: Don't complain. This is what you've read for. So we 459 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,039 have to work with it. 460 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:55,279 Speaker 3: There are a number of ways we can do it. 461 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:58,200 There's some good products out there that we can use 462 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,519 that it can either change the pH of the tears 463 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:03,359 so they're. 464 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: Still there, but they don't leave a stain. 465 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,759 Speaker 3: If, in fact, we think there's an inflammatory condition where 466 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,640 this is a newer problem in an adult dog, well 467 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,240 then you got to say to yourself, wait a second. 468 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,720 If this wasn't there six weeks ago, the duct didn't 469 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,880 get shorter in six weeks. 470 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: It is what it is. 471 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: That means there must be some condition going on today 472 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,799 that wasn't there six weeks ago. Let's find out what 473 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,440 it is. Is it infection, is it actually debris. Let's 474 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,880 sedate this dog or cat. Let's put a drain into 475 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,440 the ducts the tear ducks, and let's flush and see 476 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,240 if this stuff comes out of the nose. I've had 477 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:40,839 him where I'm pushing and pushing and pushing nothing nothing, 478 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,640 all of a sudden, like an explosion and the stuff. 479 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,279 So there was obviously something got in the eye that 480 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:48,640 then got into the duck, started making its way and 481 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,119 actually got stuck. 482 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,279 Speaker 2: And as soon as I flushed and flushed it out, 483 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:55,799 dog was back to normal. So these are some of 484 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:56,480 the things we can do. 485 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: Any inflammatory condition can have this effect as well. So anyway, 486 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,160 that's it for today. Next week we are going to 487 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,319 finish with the two most common eye problems that you're 488 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,519 going to take your pet to the veterinarian four. That's 489 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,680 going to be a conjunctive itis or corneal ulco or erosion. 490 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,039 We're going to talk about how, why, the dangers, if 491 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:19,319 any etc. So no one is getting a free CONG 492 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,920 toy or free pro Sense product today, shame on you. 493 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 494 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: Even if you send me an email during the week 495 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,400 to Drjeff at petlife Radio dot com with a question, 496 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,680 we will answer on air and you will get your 497 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,960 goodies as well. So if that's not enough incentive, I 498 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,960 have no idea. 499 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,519 Speaker 2: What it is. Anyway, Thanks for joining. I know you're 500 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:43,799 out there. We'll see you next week. Have a wonderful 501 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:44,480 week once again. 502 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,039 Speaker 3: Thanks our sponsors CONG and pro Sense and we're working 503 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:48,440 on more sponsorships and. 504 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: We'll be back next Sunday. Have a terrific week once again. 505 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,039 I'm doctor Jeff Werber pet Life Radios. Ask the Pats 506 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:55,799 with Doctor Jeff. 507 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,799 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on petlife 508 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,039 Radio dot com.