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Want 23 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.719 to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona Show. Got 24 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.680 two returning guests here, Jay Burden, how are you. 25 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:02.799 Doing doing well? 26 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:02.920 Man? 27 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:03.879 Thanks for having me back on. 28 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.479 Thank you for showing up. Mister Sandbatch, how are you. 29 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.080 I'm always here. I'm always here. 30 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.800 So when I originally set this up, I set it 31 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.319 up with Burden and we I said, we wanted to 32 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.680 talk about. The subject I picked was why the right 33 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:30.639 can't organize now? And this is excluding the whole. Basically, 34 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.400 it's been criminal to be right wing since the since 35 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:36.520 World War Two. And if you start organizing, you start 36 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.599 doing something in real life that people standing next to 37 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:39.199 you will be like. 38 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.319 Oh, you're a fed now. Huh oh you've taken fed 39 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:42.240 money and everything. 40 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:43.280 Yeah. 41 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:49.680 Philis, But is there something philis in the philosophy of 42 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.680 the right that prevents the right from organizing? 43 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.000 Oh no, that's an interesting question. Now. I will tell 44 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.439 you I have been lately, because you know, I was 45 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.439 talking to Charlottagne yesterday and he was trying to explain 46 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:07.719 to me this whole patriotards versus hard bonus thing, and 47 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:12.560 that's that's what he calls the Magus evil war and 48 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.520 I'm actually personally such a space cadet that like, like 49 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.240 my my Twitter timeline is like people growing fig trees 50 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:24.000 and like my dms are all depressed pootly, so like 51 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:25.159 all of this, actually I. 52 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:26.400 Have hold on, hold on. 53 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:30.560 I have curated my Twitter timeline now that all those 54 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:36.280 animal have you seen the animal interacting accounts where like 55 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.879 the sheep will say something and then a wolf will say. 56 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:39.919 That's why I'm back on. 57 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:43.639 Twitter just to look at those accounts because it's fucking hilarious, 58 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:44.800 that's funny. 59 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.759 But you know, like I've sort of I've started to 60 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:48.400 come because I mean, I'm thirty six now, and you know, 61 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.319 I was talking to Dark Enlightenment about this too Yesterday's 62 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.199 Like when I started doing this, I was like twenty three, 63 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.879 and so there were things that I went through that 64 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.680 there's been a I mean, I joke that there's a 65 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.360 new right wing generation every three years, and there's been 66 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.360 enough cycles now that I've sort of started to remember. 67 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.439 I've sort of started to realize that like we'll see 68 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.600 the appellation Neo Kon get thrown around and underneath it, 69 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.040 there's not really any understanding of what exactly a neokon is. 70 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:26.000 We'll see, so there there. In short, my answer is 71 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:31.519 not necessarily going to be that there's something about right 72 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.680 wing philosophy that causes this. I think there's something about 73 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:41.800 philosophy in general that causes this that left wing organizations 74 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:49.879 are able to combat with a rigid institutional history. They 75 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.360 have much better formal mechanisms, for they have much better 76 00:04:55.399 --> 00:05:01.000 formal mechanisms for knowledge transfer than the right wing does, 77 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.519 which sort of leaves us out in the cold to 78 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:07.199 have to sort of like rebuild from scratch every three 79 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:12.160 or four years. And I think that's probably really what happened, really, 80 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.920 really what what what the big thing that? Because I 81 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.959 mean when you actually boil that, boil it down. The 82 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:24.839 philosophies aren't that different, especially in the mainstream, Like Carl 83 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.639 Schmidt is every bit as influential on the left as 84 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.920 he is on the right. What they do better, and 85 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.360 even like even just the university structure if now the 86 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.879 public school system of the university structure USA, their whole institutional 87 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:44.600 flow chart prevents them from being able to go rogue 88 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.160 the same way right wingers can. So right wingers can 89 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.160 just go we could just go rogue and decide that 90 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.040 they're going to do it all from scratch their own way, 91 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.839 and you end up you end up with like everybody 92 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.959 thinks they're a vanguardist, but like they're the only thing 93 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.839 you know, six hundred vanguards do is fight with the 94 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.040 other vanguards to see who's the one true vanguard. 95 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.800 Well, I think that there are a couple of dynamics 96 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.759 at play, which is, we can look at this on 97 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.079 the kind of broadest philosophical level, right talking about right 98 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.319 versus left wing. If we take this to be rough 99 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.560 analogs for you know, kind of order and equality whatever, 100 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:26.639 we can talk about that. 101 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:27.800 But I think it's. 102 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:32.319 More important to go off of something you said, Sandy, 103 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.720 which is the institutional element of this, which is fundamentally, 104 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:40.120 if you were right wing or alternative of any stripe, 105 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.279 you were selecting for disagreeable people, people who look at 106 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.920 an incentive structure and basically say like, no, that's not 107 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.399 how I want to do it. I want to do 108 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.519 it my way. So just sort of by virtue of 109 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.120 what mentioned material you're pulling from, you're trying to herd 110 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.120 outdoor cats. Right people who have already said selected out 111 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.279 of doing the normal thing, so they've already gotten over 112 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.319 that hurdle of I don't care about, you know, certain 113 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.480 social consequences. I don't care about, you know, this sort 114 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.800 of herd mentality. I'm going to do my own thing. 115 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.600 And while I think it is one hundred percent true 116 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:24.160 that there are in a broad sense, like certain value alignments, 117 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.680 in my mind it's incredibly tribal. And I think one 118 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.519 of the things that the left has been very successful at, 119 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:35.399 particularly in the last sixty years, is taking disparate groups 120 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:42.959 and aligning them against a perceived common enemy. So a 121 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.639 classic example, right is like, you know, black folks in 122 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:52.199 the lgbtqnit. Right, if you ever talk to a black guy, 123 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.360 he doesn't tend to like you know, a list being queer. Right, 124 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.399 they don't normally you know, get along. Well, you look 125 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.560 into the claims of transgenocide. We understand put that in 126 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.040 scare quotes, right, what that tends to be. But nonetheless, 127 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.639 they are part of the same voting coalition. Right, they're 128 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:15.519 they're welded into one thing, and the right has you know, 129 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:16.319 an equal. 130 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.759 Level of division. 131 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.639 Right, the claims of you know, the Christian nationalist and 132 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.279 you know the Ordentic pagan are from a certain level, 133 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.160 mutually incompatible on like a theological level, but politically, you know, 134 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:32.320 they have certain things in common. But the problem is, right, 135 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:37.000 there is no institution to bind those things together. And Sandy, 136 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.440 I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, because honestly, 137 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:42.919 I've not been around this for nearly as long as 138 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.519 you have, but as someone who has, you know, been 139 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.840 around for enough time to see a generation shift and 140 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:53.080 to see certain patterns repeat themselves. I think another element 141 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:57.399 of this is that there is a there is an 142 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.840 overlap of politics as an inner painment product and politics 143 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.559 as politics, and those are two separate circles on the 144 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.559 Venn diagram. And I think there are many people who 145 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:16.480 enjoy politics as entertainment and justify that as power politics, 146 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.399 in the same way that many guys justify their gun 147 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.799 collecting hobby or their ham radio obsession as prepping for 148 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:24.639 the end of the world. 149 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:25.320 Yeah. 150 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.120 Sorry, Pete, I don't mean to throw shots at you, 151 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:28.840 but I'm curious to get your thoughts on that element. 152 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:29.279 Sandy. 153 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.840 No, that's I mean, that's totally true. Oh, there's a 154 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:33.480 lot going on there. And I you know, I knew 155 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:35.279 you were going to be here, and I was thinking 156 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.360 about this. I was like Burdens aszillennial. You know, he's 157 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.960 been around for a while. But you're also you're not 158 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.159 a great example of these like sort of younger kids 159 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.840 that I'm talking about, because you have some you have 160 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:54.399 particular you have been subjected to particular knowledge transfer mechanisms 161 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.000 via your you know, your connections with some older people 162 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.840 that have sort of like giving you like more of 163 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.919 a roadmap to work with than say, you know somebody 164 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.240 who just you know, somebody who's just a little bit disoriented. 165 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.120 And but you know, this is this is true. The 166 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.960 question of politics and politics is as you know, I 167 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.440 call them. That's really what I would call capital p 168 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.879 politics and small pe politics. And I don't mean to 169 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.879 degrade the idea of using politics as like sort of 170 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:29.759 entertainment because it's face it, it's pretty entertaining and it's 171 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:31.639 I mean, as a as a you know, native of 172 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.799 the Deep Southerner, I would tell you that politics is 173 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.000 our native form of entertainment. And whenever we say politics, 174 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.879 we're not We're talking about everything from election of the 175 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:44.200 congressmen to like what are the strange secrets behind the 176 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.200 in the closets of the family that opened the new 177 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.320 general store down the road, and why should we go 178 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:51.879 there instead of the old general store that we've always 179 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:57.159 gone to. Politics is very intrinsically ethnically deep Southern thing, 180 00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:59.840 and so we, you know, we sort of take to 181 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:05.039 it like a fish to water. But politics as entertainment 182 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.600 versus politics is the real thing if we actually separate 183 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:15.240 those things out. Unfortunately, we have to arrive at the 184 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.240 conclusion that about half a percent of the people who 185 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.759 are involved commenting in places like Twitter, about half a 186 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:27.399 percent of them are actually involved in real politics. And 187 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.720 those people aren't the ones that you think they are. 188 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.399 I mean, I have a really because I have a 189 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.919 background working in real politics and that sort of thing 190 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.679 I tend to collect in my follower list and in 191 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.799 my substack subscriber list. People that I happen to know 192 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.320 through real life conversations and that sort of thing are 193 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:52.519 serious political players. And they are usually people who have 194 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.679 like relatively nondescript three hundred follower accounts that tweet once 195 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.600 a month, you know, because because one. 196 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.200 Of the things that's true about real, real power politics 197 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.240 is that as soon as you get involved in real 198 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:10.360 power politics, having any kind of public attack surface is 199 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.600 a massive liability not only to you, but to anyone 200 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:14.919 that you might be working with. 201 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.480 And so once you get involved in real power politics, 202 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.639 one of the first things you do is shut down 203 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.559 your public attack, your public attack surface. So they tend 204 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.320 tend to be very nondescript people unless you actually know 205 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.080 who they are. But to go back to the very 206 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.360 big tis the more the important thing that you said 207 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.679 is this bit about how does the left go about 208 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:42.320 doing getting you know, Jadavius, who you know, ignoring the 209 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:43.159 adage that all. 210 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.320 Black men are a little bit gay, how do we 211 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.519 get Jenny Jadavius is actually what the Jay and Jay 212 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:51.559 Burden stands for. 213 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:59.000 So it's example picked, yeah, what gets him on in 214 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:03.799 line pullically in terms of a voting block with you know, 215 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.559 the Transgender Alliance, And this is you know I have 216 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:08.679 recently because this is really what I am. 217 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:10.879 I'm always dodgy about what I am. I'm really an 218 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:15.039 ontologist and I'm and if you go over to my subsecudcacy, 219 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.840 I've written several started to actually talk about ontology publicly 220 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:23.559 because ontology has become a very hot topic in the 221 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.159 AI world and in the world of Polantier Alex KRP. 222 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:31.480 The CEO of Polantier has been talking about ontology for 223 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.679 months now and the chattering classes of the world are 224 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.919 starting to wake up and wonder what exactly is this 225 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.960 ontology thing. But one of the things that we you know, 226 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.919 ontology is such as a system for how you know things, 227 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.200 the system for how you get how you become made 228 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.639 legible in the world, how you position yourself in the world. 229 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.000 And you know, to get it, probably don't have to 230 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.919 get into the philosophy. It's a Hydigerian. It's a Hydigerian 231 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.600 inheritance via Carl Schmidt and Ryan Hart Coslin and through 232 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:05.440 Anglo American philosophy through a man named who Quin. But 233 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:10.120 they are also ontologies are now used in data systems 234 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.440 like Twitter. Twitter has an ontology that backs it, so 235 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.279 does YouTube, so does Spotify. And what these ontologies are 236 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.840 are there are ways of connecting nodes and in you know, 237 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:24.759 that's what you are as a user of any of 238 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:29.360 these technologies. You're a node in a network, and how 239 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:35.200 you are able to interact with the larger structure that 240 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.279 you're a part of is one of these are called 241 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.639 constraints that are placed on the ontology. And one of 242 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.039 the things the left does very well that we don't 243 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:50.120 do is and this they have some unique advantages. They 244 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.840 have some unique structural advantages in the nature of the 245 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:57.120 way they organize, and they have some institutional advantages. But 246 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:00.440 one thing the left does much better than the right 247 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:06.639 is constructing ontologies of their networks and systems such that 248 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:15.279 Jadavius does not have to be exposed as often to 249 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.840 the transgressions of his fellow left wing coalition groups. So 250 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.600 like Jadavius can live his entire life and the third 251 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:29.200 third word of New Orleans concerned about mostly black issues, okay, 252 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:33.120 and he can be told on one hand that like, uh, 253 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.519 these the transgender issues, or you know, they're going to 254 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.600 help us do this, and he understands that, but he's 255 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.120 it's framed for him in such a way that he 256 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.600 only understands it in it only he only understands it 257 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.440 in terms of So this is what not bitching about 258 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:53.320 Trannis gets me politically. Whereas on the right wing we 259 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:58.080 have an openness problem. You talked about you talked about disagreeableness. 260 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.240 If you go back to the original alt right right, 261 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.759 probably the things that we had in common the most 262 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.120 was that on a personality score test, we would have 263 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.600 rated as we would have rated both high end openness 264 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.480 and high end disagreeability. And that creates a really interesting 265 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.440 situation because we all want to share all of the 266 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.960 things that we think about everything, and we also disagree 267 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.840 with all of the things that we think about everything. 268 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.759 And then, you know, structurally, it's also true that you 269 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.000 know from a right wing or a conservative perspective that 270 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.120 you know left wing issues. Left wing interests are relatively 271 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.080 slurred together, the relatively diffuse, the relatively abstract, and the 272 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.360 relatively broad. You know, easily go, we're gonna do class 273 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.480 for We're gonna do you know, we're gonna eat the rich, 274 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.559 We're gonna do very broad strokes things that people in 275 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.159 Los Angeles, people in Nashville, people in New York City 276 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:57.279 can all in terms of what we call a minimal 277 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.679 ontological commitment, they can all get behind. You know, to 278 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.440 be a left winger, you gotta be mad. And this 279 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.279 is what Coastal like is this Rehinehart coastl is my 280 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.000 favorite historian, is a student of Karl from that so 281 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.400 what he would have called the space of experience, So 282 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.079 the space of experience shared by leftist is relatively broad, diffuse, 283 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.480 and it's easy to latch onto. You gotta hate millionaires, 284 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.720 you gotta you gotta you know, be on board with 285 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:28.559 this concept of liberation and transmitted through this thing called 286 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:32.079 the space of experience into what coast Like called the 287 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.640 Reinhart what Rhinehart coast Like called the horizon of expectation, 288 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.480 which is like the things that you can see yourself 289 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:45.039 actionably doing in the future. There is this generalized enemy 290 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.240 that is presented before you. That is the that is 291 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.160 the opposition to everything that you is, the blocker to 292 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.759 everything that you need done. And that shakes out as 293 00:17:54.839 --> 00:18:02.119 that is the what was termed the hierarchical, the hierarchical, patriarchal, 294 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.160 straight white man. He represents literally all of the things 295 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.359 that you know, this shared coalition has in common that 296 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.440 has named the enemy. Whereas on the right we're all 297 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.599 very open. And you also have this problem where like, 298 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:21.640 you know, a potato farmer in Idaho and a sweet 299 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.119 potato farmer in Georgia are going to have very distinct 300 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.119 interests that aren't first of all, aren't easy to reconcile, 301 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.000 and second of all the task of reconciling them is 302 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:38.519 made much more difficult by the fact that they will 303 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.759 be exposed one hundred percent to one another with no 304 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:47.200 governing upper ontology to determine how they should behave towards 305 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.359 one another. That was a lot at once. 306 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.720 I apologize, Yeah, there's a couple of things I want 307 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:54.079 to hit at. 308 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:54.799 I think that. 309 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.680 This is and I'm not looking to trigger here by 310 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.920 mentioning this, but I think that was really what made 311 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:13.400 the sort of and the sort of pro gaza I 312 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.839 guess you would say, like campus protests of two years 313 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:20.200 ago particularly interesting because it was the first time in 314 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.359 really as long as I could remember, that there was 315 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:29.599 a visible sort of moment of fracture in the Democratic 316 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:34.240 Party base that was very difficult to cover up, something 317 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.000 that Sandy, we're familiar with on our side of things, 318 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.920 almost constantly, right, you know, there's like no way to 319 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.279 escape from it. So it was sort of interesting, right, 320 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:45.640 It was interesting to watch them have to deal with 321 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.680 it because you realize it's like what Ivy League institutions, 322 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.279 what do you have, Well, you have a lot of 323 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.440 rich Jewish folks, and you have a lot of like 324 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:59.480 ninety five IQ left wing social activists, you know, just 325 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.039 kind of them together. You know, we sort of see 326 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:06.240 that that fracture. I think another part of it, and 327 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.559 what enables them to sort of sidestep this issue is 328 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.799 they've got a gravy train, right, Like they could just 329 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:18.880 simply use money to solve these problems. You use money 330 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.920 to apportion rewards to two groups at once. Another moment 331 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.079 where we could have seen fracture but didn't quite was 332 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.920 at the tail end of Biden when we started to 333 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.759 see large populations of Hispanic immigrants hit places like Chicago, 334 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.880 right where all of a sudden there's competition for gibs. Now, 335 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.039 that's interesting from kind of a forensic standpoint, you know, 336 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.720 it's like a political nerds. But as far as from 337 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.839 our perspective on the right, I think that that's a 338 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.480 big problem is that it's really difficult to do the 339 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.200 kind of like block and tackle patronage of politics when like, 340 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.440 you know, your resources are basically like a you know, 341 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.039 you could maybe in cash by like a certified pre 342 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.680 owned Honda Civic, right, Like, that's kind of the money 343 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.920 you've got to throw around. Yeah, that does not That 344 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.000 does not a patronage network, mate. 345 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:16.079 And one thing I should say resource disparity rather than 346 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.519 just knowledge disparity, because you know, I get really into 347 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.440 abstract economics, and you know, and you know, to me, 348 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.039 there is a level at which there's a level at 349 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.960 which knowledge and money are fungible, you know, like you 350 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:32.599 can you can convert you can convert one of those 351 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.200 you can convert money into anything, so you have a 352 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.680 lot of money. It's like almost it's almost to the 353 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.119 point where I don't even like to talk about the 354 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.799 money issue, because there is and I you know, I've 355 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.480 been my entirel because that's you know, got you know, 356 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.799 formal political career as well. I have spent my entire 357 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.680 political career working with what, in instances I know, tend 358 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:56.519 to one resource disparity. So I almost tend to just 359 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:58.279 write that off. But I mean, you're right, I mean 360 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:01.119 that's there too. You can't you can't make a patrin 361 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:03.880 engine network with you really can't make a Patrick's network 362 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.559 with the with the resources that are currently available to 363 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.640 the right wing unless you go to Israel. 364 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.680 One one other thing, and I want to connect this 365 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:21.920 point to you earlier comments about kind of politics as 366 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.960 it entertainment, and I think it's important to define what 367 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:31.720 what resources being sort of competed over in the broad 368 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.640 right wing space, and it is presented as power, but 369 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:39.720 what I think it actually is is basically an audience 370 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:43.559 and by extension, a paycheck. Right, that's functionally what is. 371 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:44.359 Up for grabs. 372 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.680 And so if you take sorry Sandy, I think. 373 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.759 Just an audience, an audience and the expectation of a paycheck. 374 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.880 The thing if you even be there, you know, right. 375 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:01.680 Well yeah, because you look at the guys who are 376 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:04.480 making the most money and you're like, well, are you 377 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.839 getting money from super chats or is that just something 378 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.119 that you know, we use as a comedian excuse to 379 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.759 to kind of hide something bigger, not looking to get 380 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:16.839 full tenfoil hat there. But I think that that further 381 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.119 that further complicates this, right because if we already say 382 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.519 well there's basically half a percent that's doing real politics 383 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.160 instead of politics as entertainment, that means that in that 384 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:32.920 ninety nine point five percent, they are competing for a 385 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.200 separate resource as well. Right, They're not competing for power, 386 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.039 They're competing for clicks basically, and the way you go 387 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.799 about securing power, in the way you go about securing 388 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.279 if we can use a kind of like gross internet 389 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.000 term of yesteryear, but like clout right those are two 390 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.039 separate gains, and I think that there is a cope 391 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.079 in much the same way you know that your you 392 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.960 know your gun collection is going to save you from 393 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.079 the end of the world. But I think that there 394 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:04.119 is this line many people like to tell themselves, which is, oh, 395 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:06.880 I can look at my substack and I see you 396 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:09.839 know names in the admin or I see names at 397 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:14.160 blah blah blah company, you know Tucker's writers, whatever, And 398 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.960 in many people's heads, you know myself included, that becomes 399 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.279 I have a seat at the table. I am influential 400 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.480 when I think quite often that means you are an 401 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.400