Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done.
Speaker 2: I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 1: that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
Speaker 1: head lights on, it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 2: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 2: for me. And he begins to tell them that he
Speaker 2: saw UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 2: and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
Speaker 2: nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye
Speaker 2: contact with this thing.
Speaker 1: I don't like death.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tinfoil Tell tonight. I'm joined by Kate
Speaker 2: Kate for thanks for coming here talking with me.
Speaker 1: Good to be here.
Speaker 2: Brandon, would you like to let the audience know a
Speaker 2: little bit about yourself before we get into it?
Speaker 1: Hah oh god, okay, typical human material girl for the
Speaker 1: first thirty years, then realized that was a dead end.
Speaker 1: You know, the mortgage, the house, the two point five kids,
Speaker 1: blah blah, and so you know, I gave up the
Speaker 1: material route at that point at age thirty, and you know,
Speaker 1: the only road left unexplored at that point was the
Speaker 1: road within. And so, you know, I've always been kind
Speaker 1: of turned off by religion. It always seemed kind of
Speaker 1: like strange to me. The attitudes they, you know, that
Speaker 1: were put forward about humanity being so you know, lowly
Speaker 1: worms and all that. So that was a turnoff. But
Speaker 1: you know, I turned to spirituality and learn to meditate
Speaker 1: and follow a few gurus and thought I knew everything.
Speaker 1: If you'd Brandon, if you'd asked me, oh God, even
Speaker 1: ten years ago, you know, do you know about life,
Speaker 1: the universe and everything? And I would have confidently went, yeah, Brandon,
Speaker 1: I know about anything. Just ask me. And then, of course,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, COVID happened, and I got off my
Speaker 1: meditation cushion and popped my my positivity bubble and looked
Speaker 1: around the world and went, what the hell is really
Speaker 1: going on? You know, for thirty years in spirituality Land,
Speaker 1: i'd you know, been meditating and taught to leave my
Speaker 1: body and go into bliss and that's where God was okay.
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, the whole world is going to hell.
Speaker 1: And I when COVID hit that whole, that whole kind
Speaker 1: of they call it spiritual bypassing, and that whole spiritual
Speaker 1: bypassing of Yeah, I can close my eyes and go
Speaker 1: into bliss okay, and quiet my mind and ignore everything.
Speaker 1: But how healthy is that? And how is that helping me?
Speaker 1: And how is that helping humanity and the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. So, you know, I think for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like you know, COVID was a huge turning
Speaker 1: point for me where I just looked at the world
Speaker 1: gone mad and went, well, yeah, what the hell is
Speaker 1: really going on? And that's when I started researching something
Speaker 1: that you know, being again in the spirituality, Love and
Speaker 1: Light brigade, I turned around and started looking at the dark.
Speaker 1: I started researching, well, what is evil anyway? And it
Speaker 1: was the exact opposite of everything that I'd been taught
Speaker 1: for almost thirty years. You know, you don't look at
Speaker 1: the dark stuff. You want to be positive and filled
Speaker 1: with happiness all the time, because if you look at
Speaker 1: the dark stuff, then you're going to magnetize it to you.
Speaker 1: So well, that whole mindset had to go bye bye.
Speaker 1: And so I started researching evil. When I was pretty
Speaker 1: dog on shocked at what I discovered.
Speaker 2: I think twenty twenty was probably the year that a
Speaker 2: lot of people had like some great awakening, just because
Speaker 2: of the way the world was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm also a health I'm also a
Speaker 1: health writer. I was raised in a medical allopathic family,
Speaker 1: and so early on I was pulled in two directions Brandon,
Speaker 1: I was either going to be a doctor or I
Speaker 1: was going to be a writer. Well, what happened is
Speaker 1: I ended up choosing the writing path. I worked in
Speaker 1: television as an editor for a long time. Then I
Speaker 1: switched into journalism and worked as a newspaper journalist for
Speaker 1: a long time, and then I segued into writing books
Speaker 1: and editing books. So journalism is my background fundamentally, and
Speaker 1: so also when COVID happened, I write for a lot
Speaker 1: of alternative health magazines like Lynn McTaggart's What Doctors Don't
Speaker 1: Tell You, published out of the UK, and so I've
Speaker 1: been writing in the alternative healing field for twenty years.
Speaker 1: When COVID hit, the first thing I did was pitch
Speaker 1: my editor an article on hey, how about an article
Speaker 1: on homeopathy for treating COVID? And this was in March
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, and she said, gave me the thumbs up.
Speaker 1: I researched, I talked to homeopath homeopaths around the world.
Speaker 1: I talked to the one of the leading homeopathic epidemiologists
Speaker 1: in the world, Jeremy Cher out of South Africa, and
Speaker 1: by March he'd already treated over eight hundred patients homeopathically
Speaker 1: for COVID with great success. I mean, everybody was up
Speaker 1: and on their feet and out the door three to
Speaker 1: seven days later. And so I was like, oh, cool, okay,
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about COVID. And I wrote
Speaker 1: the article and supplied everybody with all the information on
Speaker 1: the on which homeopathic remedies to use for COVID, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: And by the time he heard came out in May,
Speaker 1: the world was in lockdown, and you know, and the
Speaker 1: governments were saying there's no cure, there's no treatment. You know,
Speaker 1: just wait until you have to go to the hospital
Speaker 1: and then die. And I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You know. Meantime, I'm doing other health articles, talking to
Speaker 1: natural paths and Chinese medical doctors and functional medical doctors
Speaker 1: and every doctor I talked to who had, you know,
Speaker 1: an alternative event was going, Yeah, we're treating with vitamin D,
Speaker 1: We're doing IV vitamin C infusions and is working great.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to the hospital, everybody's getting over it. So
Speaker 1: that was when I just went, Okay, conspiracy land, here
Speaker 1: I come. We're being screwed with. And so that's exactly
Speaker 1: why I did start researching the Dark Side, and what
Speaker 1: I discovered was what I discovered was I could track
Speaker 1: it back about five or six thousand years Brandon, and
Speaker 1: every culture on every continent on this planet for thousands
Speaker 1: of years has had a name for a non physical,
Speaker 1: very dark, interdimensional influence. The ancient Greeks called these mind parasites,
Speaker 1: actually called them the arkans, the evil whisperers who who
Speaker 1: make men mad. The Tibetan Buddhists call them the hungry ghosts.
Speaker 1: Native American the Iroqui nation refer to these beings as wutiko.
Speaker 1: Other Native American tribes refer to them as win Dingo.
Speaker 1: I live in Hawaii, and the Hawaiian Cohunas refer to
Speaker 1: them as the epa. I mean. Even psychologists, psychiatrists like
Speaker 1: Carl Jung, he was very well aware of this negative, parasitic,
Speaker 1: negative mind, parasite. Called it anti Mimus, the anti Christ
Speaker 1: energy and influence on this planet. So at that point,
Speaker 1: as I say, everywhere, I looked everybody, and of course
Speaker 1: the Christians call this, you know, Satan or the devil.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: As the interior to ask, I said, it sounds like
Speaker 2: for like in the Christian viewpoint, it would be like
Speaker 2: the devil or demons or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The the Jewish call it abadan ibliss. I
Speaker 1: mean the names are legion. So you know, at that point,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, holy moly, everybody knows about this.
Speaker 1: We've known about a dark force dragging humanity down into
Speaker 1: the mud and mire for thousands of years. You know,
Speaker 1: that old image of the devil on one shoulder and
Speaker 1: the Angel on the other, you know, whispering in the
Speaker 1: New York vying for your soul. That really wasn't that
Speaker 1: far off. And so my next question Brandon was that,
Speaker 1: you know, I looked at Okay, everybody knows about this.
Speaker 1: Everybody has known about this for thousands of years. Everybody
Speaker 1: has a name and a description. Oh my gosh. I
Speaker 1: worked with Shamans. I did a lot of plant medicine,
Speaker 1: at a certain point in my life. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was working down in the Amazon with a couple
Speaker 1: of shamans for months on end, and every shaman worth
Speaker 1: their salt who was traditionally trained, they knew about these
Speaker 1: dark entities. They knew about demons. They were very, very real,
Speaker 1: and they were blatant about removing negative demonic forces from
Speaker 1: people who did ceremony with them. And it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, hoham yaan. You know, we've known about this
Speaker 1: for forever. It's about time the rest of the world
Speaker 1: caught on. So the next question I had to ask
Speaker 1: myself at that point was, well, Okay, we all know
Speaker 1: about it, and we've known about it forever. Why don't
Speaker 1: we know about it?
Speaker 2: You know, we've heard the stories and have ideas, but
Speaker 2: no one actually knows. It's just all different names for
Speaker 2: the same type of energy or whatever it could be,
Speaker 2: this negative thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, for God's sakes, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many Hollywood movies starting with Linda Blair and The Exorcist
Speaker 1: in nineteen whenever that was seventy two or something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hollywood has depicted these beings forever, so it's
Speaker 1: not like it's unknown so then I started going down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole of well, if we don't know about it,
Speaker 1: like why, And it was because it's an interdimensional, non human,
Speaker 1: non physical presence. It has been here I don't know
Speaker 1: how many million, thousand the years, and so it wants
Speaker 1: to stay hidden. So the agenda, Brandon, is to stay
Speaker 1: hidden so that these entities can literally influence human beings.
Speaker 1: They are parasitic in nature. They feed on energy. As
Speaker 1: I say, they're parasites. That's why the Tibetan Buddhists call
Speaker 1: them hungry ghosts. They feed on people's light, They feed
Speaker 1: on their emotional energy, and the easiest emotions to stimulate
Speaker 1: in human beings is fear, fear, rage, anger, jealousy, remorse,
Speaker 1: self hatred, all of those yummy negative, negative emotions that's
Speaker 1: very easily stimulated in human beings. That energy is literally
Speaker 1: what these entropic parasites feed on and live for. And
Speaker 1: they're not even from an organic you know. I've I've
Speaker 1: spent like five years at this point researching this whole subject, Brandon.
Speaker 1: And when I first started, all I could come up
Speaker 1: with was, you know, well, okay, demons and devil, which
Speaker 1: is kind of scary to even use the word, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of any other word but evil for
Speaker 1: these beings. But as it turns out, you know, a
Speaker 1: parasite just feeds, but they feed by lowering our emotional
Speaker 1: capacity or emotional light. They don't want They are horrified
Speaker 1: and run away from love and light. So the whole
Speaker 1: point is to make humanity lower their own frequency so
Speaker 1: that they become a feeding ground and an equal match
Speaker 1: for the energy signature of these interdimensional forces intelligences. So
Speaker 1: so I looked at back to the question of well,
Speaker 1: why don't we know about it when everybody knows about it.
Speaker 1: It's for one thing religion is made, for example, Christianianity
Speaker 1: and Judaism. You look at the image of the devil
Speaker 1: of Satan and it's pretty ludicrous. You know, a big
Speaker 1: cloven hoofed guy with horns and a forked tail and redskin.
Speaker 1: Is like, Okay, that scares me when I'm three, and
Speaker 1: it scares me when I'm thirty thinking about it. That
Speaker 1: I've thought about it as being real. But ever since
Speaker 1: the age of reason, you know, and ever since the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, when we started developing reductionism in the scientific
Speaker 1: method and started turning our mind away from superstitious nonsense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things like the devil images of Satan become ludicrous, and
Speaker 1: so we can skim over it and laugh and point
Speaker 1: fingers and go, oh, look at those poor stupid Christians
Speaker 1: who believe in that nonsense. And so we marginalize out
Speaker 1: of our scientific arrogance, if you will, we marginalize this
Speaker 1: very real force and this very real presence. And again,
Speaker 1: these beings, these interventional beings, intelligences, they work through influencing
Speaker 1: mostly the mind and the emotions. Again, they're non physical,
Speaker 1: so they manipulate us mentally and emotionally and help and
Speaker 1: get us to create ideas and philosophies and religions and
Speaker 1: all sorts of things that end up keeping them hidden.
Speaker 1: Can I give you a really good example of how
Speaker 1: this worked, this influence works. Yeah, sure, So if you
Speaker 1: look at the whole concept of original sin, I don't know,
Speaker 1: are you. Are you Christian and familiar with this whole idea.
Speaker 2: I grew up as a Christian, like I was. My
Speaker 2: family still goes to church and everything. I am not
Speaker 2: a practicing religious person at all, so I don't really
Speaker 2: align with any sort of religion. But if I did,
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with the Christianity background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so original sin. When when I was introduced
Speaker 1: to that as a kid, it was horrifying to me
Speaker 1: to think that I was born sinful, that I was
Speaker 1: born corrupt, that I was a hideous, you know, worm,
Speaker 1: thing that needed to be cleansed in the blood of
Speaker 1: the lamb. I mean, my god, this imagery is horrifying,
Speaker 1: and you have to wonder where does this kind of
Speaker 1: imagery come from? Anyway, So original sin, it was like, God,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is look in the eyes
Speaker 1: of a child, a six month old baby. You look
Speaker 1: in those beautiful pellucid eyes, and all you see is brilliance,
Speaker 1: life and love. You don't see evil there. So it's
Speaker 1: is such horse crap. And you know, if you take
Speaker 1: five seconds to just really think about it and use
Speaker 1: some common sense and as I say, look in the
Speaker 1: eyes of a baby and think about original sin and
Speaker 1: how stupid it sounds. But anyway, so where did but
Speaker 1: so where did this idea come from? Because billions of
Speaker 1: people over the last eighteen hundred years brand and have
Speaker 1: believed and been raised on the concept of original sin,
Speaker 1: and it's a horrifying, self castigating emotionally corrupting teaching that
Speaker 1: you know, we have to hate ourselves and loathe ourselves
Speaker 1: and hate our bodies and abuse our bodies and abuse
Speaker 1: our psyches because we're only worth abuse. And this has
Speaker 1: had a horrific emotional and psychological impact on humanity ever
Speaker 1: since the concept of original sin was introduced back in
Speaker 1: about two hundred and fifty a d by Saint Augustine
Speaker 1: of Hippo. And I mean, think about kids have self
Speaker 1: esteem issues, you know, the last everybody from Gen X
Speaker 1: onwards has been riddled with shame and self guilt and
Speaker 1: lack of self esteem. So we wonder where that comes from.
Speaker 1: If for eighteen hundred years, generation after generation has been
Speaker 1: raised on believing that they are corrupt pieces of shit
Speaker 1: excuse my friends, and worth nothing that have to be
Speaker 1: rescued from the flesh to you know, crawl on their
Speaker 1: knees to God to be worthy to be saved. It's
Speaker 1: like whoa Epigenetically, the emotional psychological impact is incalculable. But
Speaker 1: this one religious teaching has done to humanity. So Saint
Speaker 1: Augustine of Hippo back in two about thirty five AD.
Speaker 1: Actually he was the son of a pagan dad and
Speaker 1: a Christian mom. And for the first twenty odd years,
Speaker 1: twenty five years of his life, he was pagan and
Speaker 1: a sex fiend, a drunk, he was a bad boy,
Speaker 1: and his Christian mom despaired for his soul. And then
Speaker 1: one day has some probably in a drunken stupor, Augustine
Speaker 1: staggers into a group conversation of a group of young
Speaker 1: men talking about the teachings of Mani, the prophet of
Speaker 1: Babylon who was the founder of the religion called Monarchaism.
Speaker 1: So Mani lived about one hundred years before Augustine came around,
Speaker 1: and Mani taught the teaching of original sin. That it
Speaker 1: was his whole understanding that we were corrupt at birth.
Speaker 1: The flesh is sinful, the earth is sinful, and you
Speaker 1: need to be you know, scourged and bade, you know,
Speaker 1: and baited out of that and made to be a
Speaker 1: good human being. So anyway, so Augustine stumbles into this
Speaker 1: teaching about original sin, and the light bulb switches on,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes, oh, my god, I'm not a
Speaker 1: bad boy. Oh my body is bad and corrupt and
Speaker 1: evil body made me do these horrible, sinful things. And drunk,
Speaker 1: and break and drink and corrouse and woman eye and
Speaker 1: break my mother's heart. Oh my god. So Augustine, no
Speaker 1: longer guilt ridden because it's his body's fault, converts to Christianity,
Speaker 1: sobers up, and becomes one of the founding members of
Speaker 1: the whole Christian Church, and one of the founders of
Speaker 1: most of Christian theology. And amongst that is the teaching
Speaker 1: of original sin, which he brought into the Christian theology.
Speaker 1: So ever since Augustine, eighteen hundred years, we've been teaching
Speaker 1: original sin and reaping the horrible harvest of that teaching.
Speaker 1: Now here's my point. Finally, where the hell did the prophet?
Speaker 1: Where did Mani, the prophet of Babylon come up with
Speaker 1: this idea? Well, Mani said he was whispered to night
Speaker 1: by a voice, A disembodied entity talked to him endlessly,
Speaker 1: over and over about the corruption of the flesh, and
Speaker 1: how evil the earth was, and how horrible human beings
Speaker 1: were just for the fact of being alive. He didn't
Speaker 1: know what this voice was. He actually called it his
Speaker 1: other self, and he eventually was driven so bizarrely crazy
Speaker 1: by this voice that he ended up the prophet of
Speaker 1: Babylon and taught original sin that. One hundred years later
Speaker 1: Augustine comes along and picks up and runs with and
Speaker 1: introduces into Christian theology. Now, Augustine said that he was
Speaker 1: visited by an angel who told Mani the truth of
Speaker 1: the corruption of the flesh and humanity. Well, shit, MANI
Speaker 1: never said it was an angel, he said he it
Speaker 1: was just this disembodied voice that plagued him endlessly. So
Speaker 1: that's how this interdimensional, non physical, non human intelligence in
Speaker 1: influences humanity.
Speaker 2: Now, it's kind of a hypothetical question this. Obviously, these
Speaker 2: whatever this thing is has been around for years and years,
Speaker 2: But do we actually have any idea other than being
Speaker 2: like an interdimensional entity? Word actually stems from?
Speaker 1: That is such a good question, Brandon and and and
Speaker 1: the and I didn't come up with the with the
Speaker 1: best answer that I've found so far, But the best
Speaker 1: answer I've found so far I heard from a woman
Speaker 1: by the name of Jacqueline Hobbes. She's a spiritualhy can you.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what she is. She's brilliant. She's
Speaker 1: referred to as Oracle Girl or Oraclegirl dot orgle give
Speaker 1: her a plug. I heard it from her that this
Speaker 1: interdimensional force actually came from a different source altogether, not
Speaker 1: the lovelight, loving God, creator life source that we know
Speaker 1: that is the foundation of organic life in this multiverse,
Speaker 1: if you will, but that these entities come from a
Speaker 1: completely different, very binary, very non organic, non living actually
Speaker 1: even as we know life to be. They're actually a
Speaker 1: non organic, non living, eh, parasite that doesn't exist as
Speaker 1: we do, but it feeds on organic life and energy.
Speaker 1: So when I heard that, when I heard Jacqueline say that,
Speaker 1: it was like all the bells and whistles in my
Speaker 1: head went off, because you know, you were raised in
Speaker 1: the Christian Church and dismissed a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: just like I did. And and the and the and
Speaker 1: the and the thing about and I lost my train
Speaker 1: of thought. Shit, scary, I totally spaced it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Asked me a different question, Brannan.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just wondering, like, from where this thing
Speaker 2: had originated from, if it's taken the form of all
Speaker 2: these different negativities throughout every religion or whatever, the central
Speaker 2: source of where it came from?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you know now, I thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I picked up my thread. So one of the things
Speaker 1: that I've never been able to wrap my head around,
Speaker 1: and probably pretty much any logical thinking human being has
Speaker 1: had a difficulty with this whole religious teaching about. You know,
Speaker 1: if we go back to the Abrahamic religions, Christianity, the
Speaker 1: foundation of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, you know, we're looking
Speaker 1: at two very different gods. The original God of the
Speaker 1: Old Testament is fundamentally psychotic, violent. I think the number
Speaker 1: people have added up the number of deaths and genocides,
Speaker 1: you know that apparently this God triggered and asked people
Speaker 1: to commit and there's something like thirty million people back
Speaker 1: in the old days. So we've got the original Old
Speaker 1: Testament God, which is a violent, vengeful God. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we have the New Testament and
Speaker 1: Jesus comes in and love enters the picture, and now
Speaker 1: we have a loving God. So I could never reconcile
Speaker 1: this bizarre bipolar situation where wait a minute, got a
Speaker 1: loving God and we got a psychotic God. Okay, I
Speaker 1: cannot reconcile.
Speaker 2: I've brought this up I think before in another episode.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the one fire in Brimstone. Fear Me God,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden when the New Testament
Speaker 2: came about, he's all happy, go lucky God.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So this really has helped me understand that because,
Speaker 1: as I say, any rational human being cannot justify this
Speaker 1: weird juxtaposition. And so, you know, spiritual people go, oh, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the reason we have horrible terrible things, evil things happen
Speaker 1: on the earth, like you know, child sex trafficking and
Speaker 1: satanic ritual abuse of babies and and you know, genocide.
Speaker 1: The reason we have that is because, yes, God is
Speaker 1: a loving God, and we all come from love, and
Speaker 1: all of these terrible things also come from love, because
Speaker 1: everything comes from love. And it's because we've got to learn,
Speaker 1: we've got to learn to go beyond these terrible things
Speaker 1: so that we can get to love. There's all these twisted,
Speaker 1: you know, really weird contortionist acts that we try to
Speaker 1: come up with stories to explain the unexplainable. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, a group rape of a six year old
Speaker 1: infant is not from a being of love, and it's
Speaker 1: not for any frickin' lesson for anybody to have to
Speaker 1: learn on this planet. And when I finally heard Jacqueline
Speaker 1: say that whole thing about this, this influence, this negative
Speaker 1: and tropic influence, comes from a a non living, non love,
Speaker 1: non empathetic, no emotion, binary code almost like source. It
Speaker 1: just clicked and I went, oh, if we have that
Speaker 1: kind of influence, that's what drives people into non loving,
Speaker 1: non life oriented acts. We have been twisted and tortured
Speaker 1: and tormented for a thousand years into becoming something that
Speaker 1: we're not. Because fundamentally, if we take the premise and
Speaker 1: go along with a god of love, a source of love,
Speaker 1: let's just use the three letter godword, leave it out
Speaker 1: of it and go to source intelligence or universal consciousness
Speaker 1: or universal creative mind, whatever fired existence into existence. If
Speaker 1: that comes from a life source, life is healthy, Brandon,
Speaker 1: life is growth oriented. You know, we've been painted the
Speaker 1: picture of nature red and tooth and claw and violent
Speaker 1: and terrifying. But again, how much of this influence is
Speaker 1: always trying to frighten us, always trying to turn us
Speaker 1: away from our own nature, always trying to make nature
Speaker 1: and life itself corrupt and bad. And so the more
Speaker 1: I see this influence is like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: whole story is to try to convince us that we're evil,
Speaker 1: horrible creatures ourselves. And yet if we are children, if
Speaker 1: we're child, if we're children of God, Okay, if we're
Speaker 1: made in God's image, I'm going to go back to
Speaker 1: the three letter word again. If we're supposedly divine beings,
Speaker 1: and then you look at the world around us today,
Speaker 1: is the world mirroring back that it was created by
Speaker 1: beings of love? There's a question in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm I'm contemplating the definitive answer that
Speaker 2: I want to give. But basically, no, if you look
Speaker 2: at the world through the lens of at least my perspective,
Speaker 2: the world is really screwed up. And yeah, absolutely there's
Speaker 2: nothing loving about it. You might have instances here and there,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, the world seems pretty chaotic
Speaker 2: and not from human standpoint. I feel like we're destroyers
Speaker 2: more than anything.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's been we have been convinced of this
Speaker 1: for again, thousands of years. We have been propagandized into
Speaker 1: lowering our own light. You know, because if we are
Speaker 1: the children of God, if we are divine creators in
Speaker 1: our own right, I'm just you throwing this premise out.
Speaker 1: If we are beings of pure love. And then we
Speaker 1: look at the world that we have created. How did
Speaker 1: that happen? Well, the only way it could possibly happen
Speaker 1: if we go along with the premise that we are
Speaker 1: divine beings whose natural innate substances that of love and
Speaker 1: life and health and growth and evolution and exploration and creativity,
Speaker 1: how did that get twisted into creating the shit show
Speaker 1: we've got? Now? We have been tricked. We have been
Speaker 1: influenced for thousands of years. People like Mani, the prophet
Speaker 1: of Babylon, have been tormented by voices in the dark
Speaker 1: until they come up with twisted, freaking teachings that they
Speaker 1: ram down generation after generation's throat, until two thousand years later,
Speaker 1: you've got generations and billions of people who think their
Speaker 1: pieces a shit, And yet truth be known, we are
Speaker 1: a spirit. You know. Quantum physics has shown as very
Speaker 1: clearly equals mc squared. Mass and energy are equivalent. What
Speaker 1: we consider physical isn't actually even physical. There is no
Speaker 1: point particle. You can't take an electron microscope and dig
Speaker 1: and dig and dig. How deep can you go to
Speaker 1: find that one physical point particle at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the barrel? There is none. It's all energy. So you know,
Speaker 1: so even quantum physics is pointing the finger towards our
Speaker 1: actual essence, which is spirit, which is the movement of
Speaker 1: love and life itself, the creative principle. So something happened
Speaker 1: between the beginning of the beginning and where we are now.
Speaker 1: And so that was the end result of all of
Speaker 1: my in a nutshell, the end result of all of
Speaker 1: my research which came out and I present in my
Speaker 1: book Cracking the Matrix fourteen Keys to Individual and Global Freedom.
Speaker 1: You know, that was what I realized has happened. Is
Speaker 1: we basically started out. Let's I mean, let's use the
Speaker 1: garden of Eden, you know, forget the adam and even
Speaker 1: the loin claws and stupid apples and snake bs. But
Speaker 1: if we started out as loving beings, creators that are
Speaker 1: divine and nature extending creation throughout existence and eternity, and
Speaker 1: then we become influenced, and then we become taken over
Speaker 1: by a dark, twisted, parasitic intelligence that is not of love,
Speaker 1: that only knows to feed and consume. Makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense.
Speaker 2: Now. I know I have a lot of religious people
Speaker 2: that listen to my show, and I'll probably get backlash
Speaker 2: from most of them. But this is something that I
Speaker 2: actually find interesting because if anyone has ever listened to
Speaker 2: the show, they kind of know my stance on how
Speaker 2: I feel about religion. There's certain things that I've said
Speaker 2: before that don't add up to me and makes me
Speaker 2: question things. But when it comes to religion, I feel
Speaker 2: like it is a means of control. Absolutely, Almost every
Speaker 2: religion out there has some sort of a story, and
Speaker 2: they're all similar to an ass like to a certain degree,
Speaker 2: but people cherry pick the context out of each one,
Speaker 2: and yes, they align it to specific things that they value.
Speaker 2: So someone listening to this right now that say, they
Speaker 2: come from a Christianity background, and basically what we're talking
Speaker 2: about now would be something that they would not agree
Speaker 2: with because it goes against what they've been taught. But
Speaker 2: the problem what I feel like that is is the
Speaker 2: things that they've been taught could possibly be another means
Speaker 2: of control. And is it impossibility for someone to think
Speaker 2: that maybe what they're being told is again that negative influence.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, you know, there's nothing wrong with religion and
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with spirituality. The thing of it is
Speaker 1: is that even the most brilliant love teaching can be twisted.
Speaker 1: For example, let's just look at the symbol of Christianity,
Speaker 1: a dead man crucified on a cross. This is what
Speaker 1: people worship, and we come together and kneel it an
Speaker 1: altar and drink this man's blood. Who thought that up?
Speaker 1: It is grotesque, this beautiful ceremony, which is about imbibing
Speaker 1: the essence of the Christ, which is the light and
Speaker 1: the purity of the human, divine spirit, the divine spirit
Speaker 1: of the divine that is what we're supposed to be ingesting.
Speaker 1: But it's been overlaid and twisted with this demonic, quite
Speaker 1: frankly vampiric imagery, so that we try so hard desperately
Speaker 1: to rise up in our own light and in our
Speaker 1: own innate love nature. But everywhere we turn there are images,
Speaker 1: there are ceremonies. There are words that we say and
Speaker 1: the prayers that we invoke that create the exact opposite,
Speaker 1: and we don't see it. You are exactly right, Even
Speaker 1: the most pure of the pure has been polluted and twisted.
Speaker 1: And we haven't done it. We have been tricked into
Speaker 1: doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 2: And I guess the other aspect to this is the
Speaker 2: people that are listening could say the same thing about
Speaker 2: what you're saying us now too is maybe they're going
Speaker 2: to say that you're the negative influence and try and
Speaker 2: persuade them. It's the almost like the double down, like
Speaker 2: they're going to reinforce their beliefs because that's just how
Speaker 2: we're programmed as people. Like no one likes to get uprooted,
Speaker 2: So we buckle down and hold tight because this is
Speaker 2: where we're going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, we hold tight to the
Speaker 1: deck chair as the Titanic sinks.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's really it's the very fact it's it's actually
Speaker 1: just makes me weak that you know, when I was
Speaker 1: a little girl, or just again back to that looking
Speaker 1: in the eyes of a little child, purity, beauty, sweetness
Speaker 1: and love. That's what you see. That's the unspoiled human.
Speaker 1: That's our nature, that is our innate nature. And then
Speaker 1: everything else happens. Then we get taught that we are
Speaker 1: despoiled and horrifying bad creatures. We're taught from the first
Speaker 1: words we can imagine and even hear that were vile
Speaker 1: and despicable. Well, who's gonna you know, after eighteen years
Speaker 1: of being taught such stuff at church and from your parents,
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you go to school and
Speaker 1: then you're taught you're not even You have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with God. There is no God. You came out
Speaker 1: of a slime mold, you know, that crawled onto land
Speaker 1: and developed legs, and then you evolved out of an
Speaker 1: ape and you're just an advanced blob of protoplasm and
Speaker 1: all your neurological functions are just physiological and there's no
Speaker 1: consciousness and no love to you whatsoever. You know, you
Speaker 1: get inculcated with all of these disparit very highly negative,
Speaker 1: really demeaning, demoralizing teachings year after year, day after day,
Speaker 1: your whole life. What else are you going to think
Speaker 1: but that you're a piece of crap. That's the whole point,
Speaker 1: because we you know, as you think, so you create, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to be a new age
Speaker 1: spiritual person to think that we manifest, you know, out
Speaker 1: out of our belief systems. And if I think I'm
Speaker 1: a pile of poo, I'm just going to act like
Speaker 1: that and I'm going to be constantly trying to navigate
Speaker 1: myself from an illusion out of into another illusion rather
Speaker 1: than Wow, why is it so hard? To even imagine
Speaker 1: for a moment that were divine beings, there were an
Speaker 1: extension of God, and that our true nature is love.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest things for me is at least
Speaker 2: with a religious aspect, for Christianity. Years ago, we had
Speaker 2: to watch something called Heaven's Gates Hell's Flames, and I
Speaker 2: know that's the big shock thing for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: but to me, it rubbed me the wrong way in
Speaker 2: the sense of how it was being put on and
Speaker 2: the things that were being said and you'd mentioned were
Speaker 2: born into sin. So basically, a newborn child is already
Speaker 2: damned to Hell because they were born into sin. They
Speaker 2: didn't have a choice, they didn't do anything, but they're
Speaker 2: automatically a sinner. So if you listen to what they
Speaker 2: were talking about in Heaven's Gates and Hell's Slaves, if
Speaker 2: you were a great person, you did everything you could.
Speaker 2: But if you happened to do something and you sinned
Speaker 2: but you didn't get a chance to ask for forgiveness
Speaker 2: and you got killed, you were going to Hell.
Speaker 1: Goandh goes to Hell because he doesn't believe in Jesus
Speaker 1: because he's a Buddhist.
Speaker 2: Everyone goes to hell because they either didn't believe in
Speaker 2: Jesus or if you sinned and you didn't ask for
Speaker 2: forgiveness before you died. I was like, well, what happens
Speaker 2: if you went to church, you happened to do something
Speaker 2: that was considered a sin and you weren't even aware
Speaker 2: that it was a sin, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you spent your whole life being trying to be this
Speaker 2: great person. But because you screwed up once, apparently you're
Speaker 2: damned to hell. Like, what type of a forgiving God
Speaker 2: and all wonderful God is that? If that's the case,
Speaker 2: because that's how this would being produced to everybody.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what kind of what kind of twisted, sick teaching
Speaker 1: is that? And where did it come from? That's not
Speaker 1: a god of love. That's not a teaching of love.
Speaker 1: That's an abomination. That's a twisting of everything that's normal,
Speaker 1: natural and real.
Speaker 2: That's what never had set well with me, because, and
Speaker 2: that's to be one hundred percent, is why I don't
Speaker 2: follow any sort of teachings, because I feel like it
Speaker 2: has been pushed to the point to where no matter
Speaker 2: what you do, it's never good enough. And and if that's
Speaker 2: how it's really going to be why are we even
Speaker 2: here in the first place? Why bother? Because if God
Speaker 2: really created everything, and he knows everything you're about to do,
Speaker 2: he knows the outcomes before you even decide to do it.
Speaker 2: He had to create quote unquote the devil and evil.
Speaker 2: God created everything, So therefore everything that's existing, spiritual, outside
Speaker 2: of spiritual, any of that stuff. If he created everything,
Speaker 2: he already knows what's going on. So what is the point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And this we do. We have to become
Speaker 1: contor contortionists, emotional and psychological contortionists to be able to
Speaker 1: go along with these very very childlike, very superstitious, very
Speaker 1: twisted teachings. And again, there's nothing wrong with religion. I mean, Jesus,
Speaker 1: you know everything he stood for. What did he say
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven lies within. He didn't say, Oh
Speaker 1: my God, you have to struggle and strive because you're
Speaker 1: a piece of pooh and the Kingdom of Heaven is
Speaker 1: outside of you, and if you do all X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z, you're going to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Speaker 1: He never said that is a go into your closet,
Speaker 1: look inside your own heart, and it's there in you.
Speaker 1: It's like wow, okay, his whole life was an exis
Speaker 1: sample of who we really are. He walked it, talked it,
Speaker 1: and chewed the gum simultaneously. He was this, you know,
Speaker 1: the Christos is the is the shining example of who
Speaker 1: we really are, left unmolested by negative entropic forces and
Speaker 1: negative teachings that twist truth into something unreal, turning us
Speaker 1: into the bag again original sin. You're born into sin
Speaker 1: just because you're born it. So yeah, it's finally when
Speaker 1: I when I researched all this Brandon, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my God, all of a sudden, a lifetime of
Speaker 1: religious and spiritual teachings made sense because it was all
Speaker 1: the twists all made sense. And if literally we are
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you saw the movie
Speaker 1: The Matrix. Very few people haven't in the Western civilization,
Speaker 1: but we really do live in this false paradigm that
Speaker 1: we have created. And as I say, if we are these,
Speaker 1: you know, if we are children of God, left to
Speaker 1: our own devices, we would never create the world we've created.
Speaker 1: It's not in us as children of God. A child
Speaker 1: is like the father and the mother. And so there's
Speaker 1: this huge slip betwixt cup and lip. You know, going on.
Speaker 1: So when I finally saw and you know, the glow,
Speaker 1: here we go. If you want to ask me what
Speaker 1: the hierarchy on this planet is, it's the invisible controllers,
Speaker 1: these interdimensional beings which have literally taken over and possessed
Speaker 1: certain human beings. And we call those certain human beings
Speaker 1: the kings and queens and the popes and the highest
Speaker 1: of the high globalist elite, the wealthy, the rich, the
Speaker 1: global elite, and you know, and from there you step
Speaker 1: down into religious hierarchy and from their governmental hierarchy, and
Speaker 1: then you've got everybody else's foot on the throat of
Speaker 1: the masses. And it's this hierarchical control mechanism that's been
Speaker 1: put into place that is taking us to where we
Speaker 1: are now, where we're looking at, you know, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: and we probably don't have time to get into this,
Speaker 1: and I'm still formulating it. But the more I look
Speaker 1: at this whole concept of there is another source which
Speaker 1: begs the question, well, my god, if there's more than
Speaker 1: one source you know, of creation out there, and it's
Speaker 1: not all pretty, how many other sources are there? But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: there but it's like it opens up vistas that you know,
Speaker 1: we've been locked in a very small dark box for
Speaker 1: a very very long time, and I've been the more
Speaker 1: I look at this parasitic intelligence is very binary, is
Speaker 1: very cold, it's very a I like quite frankly, And
Speaker 1: it's fascinating because I've looked at the trend of science
Speaker 1: over the last especially the last hundred years, and it's
Speaker 1: it's all about learning how to replicate life. You know,
Speaker 1: we're we study the genetic codes and we try to
Speaker 1: we're at the point where scientific we're trying to create
Speaker 1: life in the lab. We create synthetic medicines. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't take the herbs anymore. You don't eat the
Speaker 1: peppermint or the spearmint or the you know, the herb
Speaker 1: from the field to take care of No, we have
Speaker 1: to synthesize something chemically in the lab. So the last
Speaker 1: one hundred years or so, scientifically, we've been moving more
Speaker 1: and more into a synthetic reality. Well now we've got
Speaker 1: Ai speaking of synthetic reality, and you know, and and
Speaker 1: the creation of cyborgs, and and and putting lace brain
Speaker 1: implants into human beings so that we can hook up
Speaker 1: to the the Internet of Things, and I look at
Speaker 1: this and this this roboticization that is so like the
Speaker 1: emulation of this parasitic intelligence that has no actual life
Speaker 1: force to it, and it's like I've looked at the
Speaker 1: last couple hundred years of scientific endeavor and it's oh, coincidentally,
Speaker 1: it seems as if strangely enough not to be a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist or anything, that we are being guided into
Speaker 1: creating a very low level synthetic intelligence that these creatures,
Speaker 1: that these non physical beings can actually finally embody in
Speaker 1: which is the whole point is to get us. We're
Speaker 1: the hands, we're the hands. These are disembodied, disincarnate beings.
Speaker 1: They have no hand, they can't pick up a pencil.
Speaker 1: They have to get us to do all the dirty work.
Speaker 1: They have to convince us to lower our own light
Speaker 1: and to create a corrupt system out of our own
Speaker 1: self corruption. And when they do that, they finally get
Speaker 1: us to the point where we have synthesized ourselves and
Speaker 1: lowered ourselves and roboticized ourselves and snuffed out the light
Speaker 1: of life and love itself, so that we are finally
Speaker 1: a match for these entities and they can enter and
Speaker 1: have the life they've always wanted and lusted after.
Speaker 2: This is a rhetorical question, but do you believe that
Speaker 2: maybe these things were something that we created years ago?
Speaker 1: You know? Just no, I do not. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, I keep noodling this idea about which came first,
Speaker 1: the chicken or the egg? Which came first these these
Speaker 1: oddly synthetic parasitic entities or it's almost like the seed
Speaker 1: or they are the seed of AI. It's bizarre. And
Speaker 1: then what does AI then create? I don't know the
Speaker 1: chicken and the egg to this, so I will say, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't create it, but I think we're being I
Speaker 1: think we're being maneuvered into creating the potential seed bed
Speaker 1: of more of the same. So yes, So in a way,
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, we haven't done it yet. It's
Speaker 1: not in the past, it's in the future.
Speaker 2: So it's one of those it's almost like a paradoxal
Speaker 2: type question because if it's something we did in the
Speaker 2: past and we're living in it now, then the movie
Speaker 2: The Matrix is basically we're all living in this simulation
Speaker 2: to where these AI are controlling everything and we're experiencing
Speaker 2: the world in a bubble because we're being used as
Speaker 2: a food source for whatever these things are. But if
Speaker 2: you look at it in that context, if these things
Speaker 2: are a synthetic binary code, it is like AI in
Speaker 2: the sense of that way. So something would have had
Speaker 2: to create it. So what created it? There's another source
Speaker 2: that created that, and we're a completely different source. But
Speaker 2: they need us for some purpose. Then what would create feed?
Speaker 1: They feed on organic life, so they can replicate in
Speaker 1: all context, it's about into motion. And when I have
Speaker 1: no idea how many trillions of zillions of years ago
Speaker 1: this was, I have.
Speaker 2: No idea, it's just the concept. And again I've heard
Speaker 2: people say that, well this was never ever talked about
Speaker 2: untill that movie came out. Well, where'd they get the
Speaker 2: idea for that movie?
Speaker 1: Yet? Yeah, there's so much out there in Hollywood Land
Speaker 1: that is a precursor. And you know, if you go
Speaker 1: along with the whole satanic idea about things is you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to warn people up front about all the
Speaker 1: stuff we're going to do to you, so that we
Speaker 1: have so that you're complicit. If you have knowledge, you're complicit,
Speaker 1: and then we're off the hook karmically. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, you've run across that whole story about as
Speaker 1: far as you know the Satanic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to let you know what they're about
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and so what I'd really like to do
Speaker 1: is is before we end the conversation, is shine a
Speaker 1: light on how much hope there is, because I mean,
Speaker 1: if we if we ended the conversation now, it would
Speaker 1: be like, you know, shit, why don't I just go
Speaker 1: out and kill myself?
Speaker 2: Very doom and gloom. I was actually good. I was
Speaker 2: going to ask you a question, like your book with
Speaker 2: the Fourteen Keys, is that something you would like to
Speaker 2: talk about before?
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I'm head.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we're going to have to at least accept
Speaker 1: as a potential that maybe we are children of God.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just use the three letter godword, that we
Speaker 1: are children of the divine and that our nature are
Speaker 1: true nature is love. Okay. If we take that premise then,
Speaker 1: and that and that life itself, nature which has been
Speaker 1: demonized just as we've been demonized. You know, the nature
Speaker 1: is satanic. Nature is the devil, nature is the is
Speaker 1: the corruptor, and it's all, you know, the whole imprint
Speaker 1: is to turn us away from life, going to the
Speaker 1: virtual reality room, stay on the computer, stay hypnotized on
Speaker 1: your phone, disconnect, disconnect from each other, disconnect from love,
Speaker 1: disconnect from nature, disconnect from life. Why is that the message?
Speaker 1: Because life is of love. Life is healthy growth, evolution, creation.
Speaker 1: It's a joyous ongoing evolution, rolling like thunder through all
Speaker 1: of existence. So if we align ourselves with nature, if
Speaker 1: we get you know, one of the many of the
Speaker 1: keys and things that I talk about in the book
Speaker 1: is well, Okay, what the hell am I going to
Speaker 1: do with this, with this influence? How do I change
Speaker 1: my mind? And all this lifelong programming I've been subject to.
Speaker 1: It ain't simple, and yet it is simple. It's like,
Speaker 1: we have to learn to trust the love within us,
Speaker 1: and we have to learn to realize that it's even there.
Speaker 1: And this is a big, major journey, and it is
Speaker 1: humanity's turning point because if we turn back to the
Speaker 1: love within us and do what Jesus said, seek the
Speaker 1: Kingdom of heaven within. So what I do is I
Speaker 1: you know, I've meditated for thirty years trying to get
Speaker 1: out of my body, because that's what the whole spiritual
Speaker 1: prompt is you got to get out of your horrible,
Speaker 1: limiting body to get out there to God where everything
Speaker 1: is good. Okay, the same thing, it's different twist on religion.
Speaker 1: It's the same dynamic body bad, heaven good. We go
Speaker 1: back to E equals MC squared mass and energy or equivalent.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as physicality. It's all spirit.
Speaker 1: Everything is spirit. And if you go so far as
Speaker 1: to say everything, that spirit is love itself, the life
Speaker 1: force itself, the creativity of the creative movement itself. When
Speaker 1: we align with that, we start moving back into health.
Speaker 1: Our bodies start to align with nature's rhythms, which are
Speaker 1: all about life, not death, not crucifixion, not VR. Get
Speaker 1: out of your body and just go curl up and
Speaker 1: not be in touch with anybody. I mean, that's something
Speaker 1: like sixty percent. You know, Chat, GPT and the AI
Speaker 1: relationship programs have been officially out for three years now,
Speaker 1: and already sixty percent of young people are hooked into
Speaker 1: AI relationships. Love relationships. I don't care about hooking up
Speaker 1: with a human being and holding hands and walking down
Speaker 1: an autumn lane together. No, they're too busy hooking up
Speaker 1: with an AI program. So is all this move to
Speaker 1: take us away from nature, take us away from life,
Speaker 1: take us away from holding each other's hands and cradling
Speaker 1: each other in love and tenderness and some mutual support
Speaker 1: and community is all about division. So over and over,
Speaker 1: I suggest to people to align with life. Take ten
Speaker 1: minutes to day, fifteen minutes a day, more than that
Speaker 1: if you can manage it. Take your shoes off, turn
Speaker 1: your phone off, leave it in the house, go out
Speaker 1: and sit under a treaty for ten minutes. Breathe, feel
Speaker 1: how your body feels. Let it soak up the natural health,
Speaker 1: the electrons, and all of the good vibes from the earth.
Speaker 1: Let your breathing regulate. You know kids eight kids with ADHD,
Speaker 1: soldiers who've come back from from the horrors of war,
Speaker 1: you know, suffering from PTSD. Clinical study after clinical study
Speaker 1: shows you these kids. You get these soldiers out into
Speaker 1: nature and their body starts to regulate. The anxiety leaves.
Speaker 1: They start to blossom in their own being again. Their
Speaker 1: bodies begin to heal, their psyches begin to heal. And
Speaker 1: so love is is life, and it's in us, and
Speaker 1: it's in nature. So aligned, so more and more, I
Speaker 1: just you know, God, if you can be quiet. Turn
Speaker 1: off the fricking phone, stop watching the news, go out
Speaker 1: in nature, be as quiet as you can with yourself.
Speaker 1: Learn to help your neighbors, find you know, who needs food,
Speaker 1: who needs help, you know, reach out a hand to
Speaker 1: those who are who are in trouble, and pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody's in trouble. And if we, if we, if we
Speaker 1: don't turn to one another, Brandon, you know, which is
Speaker 1: the whole goal is to turn us away from one another.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's about being quiet, getting into nature,
Speaker 1: and unhooking from the from the horrors that were that
Speaker 1: are being shoved down our throat all the time, and
Speaker 1: rediscover ourselves as the loving children of the divine that
Speaker 1: we actually are. But this is a journey we have
Speaker 1: to desire and uncover for ourselves. And when we do,
Speaker 1: then the burden. You know, when I finally got Brandon,
Speaker 1: that I wasn't a piece of crap and the the
Speaker 1: age old guilt, you know, just it didn't matter how
Speaker 1: much I accomplished in my life, how much money I made,
Speaker 1: or how many meditation hours, or how many books I wrote,
Speaker 1: or how many people I helped. It didn't matter because
Speaker 1: underneath everything there was always this underlying I just feel
Speaker 1: guilty for being alive. And when I finally researched this
Speaker 1: presence and understood its agenda on this planet and how
Speaker 1: it affects us, and why it's doing what it's doing,
Speaker 1: and why we feel the way we feel about ourselves.
Speaker 1: When I got that I wasn't a piece of pooh,
Speaker 1: it was like taking a thousand pound gorilla off on
Speaker 1: my back. And I was like, Oh my god. It's
Speaker 1: not that I can't do wrong. It's not that I'm
Speaker 1: not subject to stupid, you know, emotions. It's not that
Speaker 1: I'm never going to accidentally hurt anybody. But I'm not
Speaker 1: a bad person. And when I finally got that, Brandon,
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, all of a sudden, I could breathe.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it was like a lightness came
Speaker 1: into my heart and a gentleness came into my hands
Speaker 1: and my step and I began to be kinder to
Speaker 1: myself and to other people. But we can't get there
Speaker 1: flagellating ourselves, hating ourselves, and seeing ourselves as the devil itself.
Speaker 1: That's been the mirror and that's the trick. And when
Speaker 1: I saw the trick, it has changed everything.
Speaker 2: I think like for people to understand this, they have
Speaker 2: to do a lot of self awakening.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2: That might might be a problem for some people, but
Speaker 2: I think the truth for finding that though, you have
Speaker 2: to look within. So that's the journey that we all
Speaker 2: have to go through, is we have to find the
Speaker 2: answers within ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. And there's a lot of dark, dark,
Speaker 1: shadowy stuff that's in us because of how we've been
Speaker 1: raised and programmed. But underneath all of the programming and
Speaker 1: all the dark, scary shadow stuff, there really is pure
Speaker 1: love and light in us. And again back to look
Speaker 1: in the eyes of a child, but again Jesus said
Speaker 1: that you have to be as a little child to
Speaker 1: come into the Kingdom of Heaven. Of course, you have
Speaker 1: to go back to your true love nature, which is
Speaker 1: how you were born. It is who you really are.
Speaker 1: So when we start to trust that and we look
Speaker 1: in the mirror and we see beauty instead of horror,
Speaker 1: then that's the road path, that's the salvation, that's the
Speaker 1: road back to love and us creating the new Heaven
Speaker 1: and the new Earth that has always been prophesied. But
Speaker 1: we've got to move out of the darkness of the
Speaker 1: matrix of the delusion of what has been pulled over
Speaker 1: our eyes.
Speaker 2: That is one of the things that I've always kind
Speaker 2: of questioned, is how much has been told to us
Speaker 2: and how much has been fed to us? And a
Speaker 2: lot of it is just again, like I said earlier,
Speaker 2: just another means to control us. And I think what
Speaker 2: you've talked about tonight is definitely one of those aspects
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: I would say pretty much every you know, pretty much everything,
Speaker 1: as I say, even the teachings of Christ have been
Speaker 1: twisted so that instead of focusing on his love and
Speaker 1: the simpleness of be like a little child, enter your
Speaker 1: own heart. Instead we look at a bleeding body on
Speaker 1: a cross and think all we can think is human
Speaker 1: beings are cruel, and we killed Jesus, we killed God.
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person twisted. So you know, when you
Speaker 1: say how much is out there that is feeding us
Speaker 1: the lie, I would say about ninety eight percent of
Speaker 1: everything that we witness, aside from the loving acts of
Speaker 1: other humans, the kindness that makes you rescue a kitten
Speaker 1: or sacrifice your life to save a child and pull
Speaker 1: them out of a raging river, human beings are incredible.
Speaker 1: The levels of self sacrifice that we will go to
Speaker 1: to help one another is astounding. We are beings of love.
Speaker 1: We've just got to really dig deep and trust that
Speaker 1: it's there until we can find it ourselves.
Speaker 2: That I agree with. We can probably wrap this up,
Speaker 2: but before we do, I want everyone to know where
Speaker 2: they can find your book.
Speaker 1: Set Sure. The book is Cracking the Matrix fourteen Keys
Speaker 1: to Individual and Global Freedom. It's on Amazon or you
Speaker 1: can order it through any bookstore. My website is Katemontana
Speaker 1: dot com and that's Kate with a C. And I
Speaker 1: also have a substack where I do weekly or biweekly
Speaker 1: writing and that's see Montana at substack dot com.
Speaker 2: If you send me links in an email, I will
Speaker 2: copy those links and put them in the show notes
Speaker 2: for anyone listening.
Speaker 1: Cool. Thanks, I'll do that, Brendan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely appreciate it, and I am honored to
Speaker 2: have you on the show here. Tonight has actually been
Speaker 2: one of those conversations that I've been interested in having
Speaker 2: because it touches base on a lot of things that
Speaker 2: I've already felt and kind of believed in, so it's
Speaker 2: it aligns to how I feel a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah. Well, I'm glad it's been a meaty subject
Speaker 1: for you. That and I hope people. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's so much hope and so much beauty in us.
Speaker 1: We've just been assiduously trained not to see it, but
Speaker 1: it's there, you know.
Speaker 2: So this definitely aligns to how I see thing because
Speaker 2: I've been saying for a long time for anyone that's
Speaker 2: listened to the podcast, that I know and feel that
Speaker 2: there is something out there. It's like a negative energy
Speaker 2: type thing that feeds on us. And I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. I can't describe it, but I just
Speaker 2: know there's something out there that influences everything, and this
Speaker 2: aligns to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I'll send you an epub. I appreciate that absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Any other questions before we close.
Speaker 2: No, I think I've got everything for tonight. So again,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on here tonight and we'll talk
Speaker 2: to you soon.
Speaker 1: Great, Brandon, thanks so much for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: Not a problem, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Hello, huh, good night.
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