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Two convicts escape 23 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.639 from the state penitentiary. They're heading for your city. They're armed, 24 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:27.759 they boasted, they won't be taken alive. Your job get them. 25 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.719 Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For 26 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.520 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 27 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.639 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 28 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.360 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 29 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:45.000 official police violence. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, 30 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.080 Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. 31 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.120 It was Wednesday, October sixth, that was cloudy in Los Angeles. 32 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.159 We were working a day watch out of robbery detail. 33 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.800 My partner's said, Jacob's the boss's up and didyon. My 34 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:03.000 name is Friday. We're on the way out from the 35 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.759 office and it was two forty pm when we got 36 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.439 to Kesterton Boulevard, number. 37 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.319 Twelve fifty six. Sounds like she's having a party. 38 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:17.719 Huh yeah, try it again. Maybe they can't hear it. Yes, 39 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:19.639 police officers, ma'am you Ruth Thompson. 40 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:20.759 Yes, that's right. What is it. 41 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.400 My name's Friday. This is my partner, Sergeant Jacob Central Robbery. 42 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:24.840 We'd like to talk you a few minutes if we could. 43 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:25.439 Well, I have a. 44 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.479 Party going on right now, if you my friends were over, 45 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:28.120 what'd you want? 46 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.919 Sergeant brought Andy Poum. Miss Thompson, understand you know him. 47 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:32.759 I didn't know him, Yes, I haven't seen him for 48 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.080 a long time, three or four years. 49 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.319 Anyway, mind if we ask a few questions about him. 50 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:37.000 It won't take long. 51 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.240 Hi, come in, please, thank you. 52 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.199 We're sorry to disturb you, ma'm it's pretty important that 53 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:44.000 we wouldn't hold you up. 54 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.120 It's all right down the hall here. We can talk 55 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.000 in the kitchen if you don't mind. It's my girlfriend's 56 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:50.840 birthday today, though, I'd be nice to have a little party. 57 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:51.039 Four. 58 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:56.360 Oh, I see chair there if you like, Oh here, 59 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.560 let me wipe it offle you spuild a drink on it. 60 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.199 Probably Dan was born. 61 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.319 I suppose you know about Andy Palm, Miss Thompson. What 62 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.879 happened this morning? What's that about Andy Powell? You heard 63 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:05.639 what happened this morning? 64 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:07.360 Just what I read in the morning paper. They said 65 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.360 he broke out of Sam Quentin, another man with him. 66 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.199 It's true, then he did break out. 67 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.240 Yes, ma'am, that's the information we have. There's an all 68 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:15.400 points bulleting out on him. 69 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.079 Well, I don't want to get involved in it. It's 70 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.000 not my business. Andy doesn't mean anything to me. 71 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:20.959 Well, at the time he was set up, you were 72 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:21.680 engaged to Powell. 73 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:22.240 Is that right? 74 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:24.680 Yes, But that was before he got into trouble, before 75 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.680 he went to San Quentin. I saw him after the trial. 76 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:27.920 I told him how I felt about it. 77 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.079 I told him wasn't any use an He called it off, that. 78 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.800 It wasn't much else to do. It was robbery five 79 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.759 years to life. It wasn't the first time either. Andy 80 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:37.680 knew it would be a long time, so die, Really 81 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:38.959 I had to tell him I have to. 82 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:39.399 Call it off. 83 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.959 We understand you were on Powell's correspondence list while I 84 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:42.680 was up at Quinton. 85 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.079 He wrote to him, did you yes? 86 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.120 The first couple of months we haven't written lately though. 87 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:47.839 It wasn't any point to it, no point at all. 88 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:49.959 Well, when was the last time you heard from Paul 89 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:51.800 Miss Thompson last time you wrote to him? 90 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.040 Oh, eight or ten months least. 91 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:54.160 That. 92 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.279 As I say, there wasn't much sense in going on. 93 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.560 Andy knew he was in there for a long time. 94 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.199 He couldn't expect me to wait all that time. Matter 95 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:02.600 of fact, he said he didn't expect it. 96 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:04.680 He told me that you've been up to visit Paul recently, 97 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:05.319 Miss Thompson. 98 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.000 No, No, I haven't well, and you. 99 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:08.680 Haven't seen him since he went up to Quentin. You'll 100 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:09.240 swear to that. 101 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.079 Why do I have to swear to what I already 102 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.839 told you? Andy doesn't mean anything to me? Didn't make sense, 103 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.959 it's all over. I'm not even a relative. Why do 104 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:17.040 I have to swear to anything? 105 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:18.800 You haven't seen Paul since he went up to Quintin 106 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.079 that right, Miss Thompson? Is that right? 107 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.079 What if I saw him? If I didn't see him, 108 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:25.920 what difference does it make? It's none of my business? 109 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.079 Or did you say, Miss Thompson, what difference. 110 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.040 Does it make? I don't have anything to do with him. 111 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:31.120 He doesn't mean anything to me. 112 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.480 I told you, did you see. 113 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.000 Him this morning? 114 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:35.240 When? 115 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.759 Late this morning about ten thirty was no? Another man 116 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:39.160 was with you? 117 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:40.680 Who was the other man? You recognized him? 118 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:42.759 Bert Selby. That's the way he introduced to me. He 119 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:44.600 didn't try to hide it. Some fellow broke out of 120 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:44.959 jail with. 121 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:45.600 What they want? 122 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.120 Why were they here, clothes, money, looked like the devil, 123 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:50.079 both of them terrible. 124 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:51.000 What'd you give them? 125 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.600 They asked for? I'm not that silly. Didn't trust me 126 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.079 anymore and they trust you. And he had a knife. 127 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:57.800 I tried to tell him I didn't have any money. 128 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.639 He didn't believe me, came at me with that knife. 129 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:00.360 I gave the. 130 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.279 Money that much, about seventeen eighteen dollars, some loose change. 131 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.079 The emptied my purse, took it off anything else, closed 132 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.399 a couple of suits of my father's. He died last year. 133 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.560 They took his gun too. Never thought Andy b that way. 134 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:13.199 It was terrible. 135 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.000 What kind of a gun wasn't miss Thompson. 136 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.560 Quote revolver thirty eight. I think they took that and 137 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.519 closed the money. It's about ten thirty this morning, Malcolm. 138 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.000 He didn't report that. You say you knew about the escape. 139 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.079 You know they were wanted, didn't you? 140 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.560 Why should I? They warned me about it. They threatened me, 141 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.600 said they'd come back and get me if I told 142 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.600 the police. Look, I don't want to get mixed up 143 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.360 in this. I'm engaged on a nice fella. Now we 144 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.160 want to get married. I don't want to get mixed 145 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:36.800 up in this. Andy Powell's nothing to me. 146 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.199 Do you watch the two men when they left the 147 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.000 house here and you noticed that they drove off my car? 148 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:41.879 No, I didn't. I just shut the door and prayed. 149 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.240 I was rid of him. Took my money, food, my 150 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.759 dad's clothes. Don't make it any tougher. Huh, Please, that's. 151 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:49.319 Not a question of that man. We have to find him. 152 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.000 We're going to need all the cooperation we can get. 153 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.240 I told you everything I could. Honestly, he said they'd 154 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.879 come back and kill me if I even talked to you. 155 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.839 I can't do any more. I sure hope you don't 156 00:06:58.839 --> 00:06:59.240 find him. 157 00:06:59.279 --> 00:06:59.560 How's that? 158 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:01.959 When Andy went out the door. It's the last thing 159 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:03.920 he said. He said, if the cops ever found him, 160 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:05.839 there was going to be a fight. Terrible look on 161 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.560 his face. No, he said he'd never take him alive. 162 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.680 The APB had come in a few minutes before eight 163 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.680 o'clock that morning, was from the Warden's office San Quentin. 164 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.480 The two suspects had been assigned to an early morning 165 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.399 work detail at the penitentiary, and they were first reported 166 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.560 missing at the seven am count. Number one suspect was 167 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.680 Andrew A. Powell, WMA twenty nine years, five nine, one 168 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.480 hundred and seventy five pounds, brown hair, blue eyes, tan complexion. 169 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.399 Suspect number two, Bertram O Selby, WMA, thirty one years, 170 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.160 five foot eleven, one hundred and sixty pounds, blonde hair, 171 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.199 gray eyes, tan complexion. Both of them had long criminal records. 172 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.560 Both of them had been serving time for armed robbery. 173 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.199 They'd used guns before. We figured if they had to, 174 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:54.759 they'd use them again. Before we left, Powell's ex girlfriend, 175 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.319 Ruth Thompson, we called the office and arranged for a 176 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.480 twenty four hour stakeout on her home in case the 177 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.800 escape primer's return. We also made arrangements for a stake 178 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.560 out at the downtown restaurant where she was employed his cashier. 179 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.720 We passed along the information which the Thompson girl had 180 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.279 given us, and a broadcast and an APB was gotten 181 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.399 out on the suspects. Four h five pm, ED and 182 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:16.720 I continued making the rounds of all unknown friends and 183 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.279 associates of the escape prisoners. We failed to come up 184 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.839 with any more leads. Five point fifty pm we went 185 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:22.800 back to the City. 186 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:27.360 Hall, clouding up again. Huh over there in the east. 187 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.920 Yeah, papers has rained tonight and tomorrow. 188 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:30.399 We can sure use it my cats. 189 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:31.319 What's the matter? 190 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.200 I haven't had a chance to get the shoemakers yet. Yeah, 191 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.399 there pulling my shoe and meaning you get them half 192 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.720 sole to keep forgetting. Yeah, and don't tell me that's 193 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:42.320 the only pair of shoes you got. Oh, I've got 194 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.240 another pair at home and not comfortable though and not 195 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.679 broken in. It's in trouble with job. What do you 196 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:48.759 mean shoes? You get a new pair of start wearing 197 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.519 them around. It happens every time. No, sooner you get 198 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.320 the tops broken in, the soldier were Out's a vicious circle. Yeah, 199 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.039 all right? Word you know, hi, Jess? 200 00:08:59.039 --> 00:08:59.840 Anything in the book for us? 201 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.279 I don't know. I don't think so I'll check it. 202 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.000 How do you to make out any well? 203 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:05.879 Not too bad, Jess. 204 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.879 We know Poll and Selby were in town this morning. 205 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.759 Good chances still here? Any kickback on that last all 206 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:11.519 points we got. 207 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:12.480 Out nothing so far. 208 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.919 Gaffney and rickets are running down a couple of possibles 209 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.080 right now. One of them might pan out nothing on 210 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.399 the book show. We're clear just saying it. On this 211 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.799 Powell and Selby thing, got a couple of possibles were 212 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.279 checking on. Both calls came in the last hour. One 213 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.039 was a hold of the Olympic near Vermont bun shop. 214 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.919 There two men pull it off, slugged the owner, took clothes, money, 215 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:30.919 twelve gage, shotgun. 216 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.080 I'll about descriptions on them in and it seemed to 217 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:33.879 be fairly close. 218 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.960 When I got over the phone, Gaffney and Rickitts are 219 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.039 out talking to the victim. They took mugs of Powell 220 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:39.799 and Selby along waiting for their callback. 221 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.200 Now said you had two calls? What was the other one? 222 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:42.840 Two eleven? 223 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.440 The slugging out on Hollywood Boulevard just about Western A 224 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.240 couple of thieves knocked over a dry goods store. Some 225 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.240 take clothes and money. Descriptions are pretty close there too, 226 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.200 Hollywood divisions covering waiting for their callback. 227 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:55.759 Do you any want to smoke? 228 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:56.159 Yeah? 229 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:06.679 Thanks, yeah, thanks. Thompson girl is the only one who 230 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.279 had anything. Huh. None of the others could help you out. Yeah, 231 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.639 it's about size of it. Apparently Paul doesn't have too 232 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.639 many connections in town. Selby has even less. I'm more 233 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.559 a dozen names on that list. Were they Joe friends, 234 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:17.159 relatives or. 235 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:17.759 An even dozen? 236 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:19.720 A couple of bars Powell was known to hang out 237 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:21.320 when he was in town. Check them out too. 238 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:21.679 Nothing. 239 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.799 I sure made a bee line here after they broke Quinton. 240 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.639 It's a good five hundred miles stretch. They don't have 241 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.879 the connections here to help them, then, what's the big attraction? 242 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:30.559 Yeah? 243 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.720 I could have some help lined up, we don't know about. 244 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.679 Somebody'd hide them out, keep them in groceries for a 245 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:35.720 while as possible. 246 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.440 They're making a run for one of the border towns 247 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.159 to j Wanta, MEXICALI maybe poll figured on more help 248 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.000 from the Thompson Girl. Clothes and money enough to get 249 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:44.279 him and sell me over in New Mexico. 250 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.279 Huh, she said, all I got was seventeen dollars. I 251 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:47.759 had to cut Connors to make none that. 252 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:50.600 Robbery. 253 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:58.799 Gonzalez, Oh yeah, Jack, are you sure? Okay? Fine? Thanks? Bye, 254 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:00.639 We got Jack Recketts. 255 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:02.759 He and Gaffney just finished talking to the owner of 256 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.200 the pawn shot that was held up at one on 257 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.360 Olympic Fill. They gave him a handful of mugshots check 258 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.039 he tabbed to them. Paul and Shelby. 259 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.159 Six thirty PM A supplementary broadcast and an APB was 260 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.440 gotten out on the two suspects, and the Record Bureau's 261 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.919 photocopyroom turned out two thousand copies of Powell's and Selby's 262 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.039 mug shot for distribution. At nine PM, a theater on 263 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:29.840 Western Avenue was robbed of one hundred and ninety two dollars. 264 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:32.559 Powell and Selby were again identified as the hold up 265 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.759 men the robbery victim. The manager of the theater said 266 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.600 that both men were armed, one with a thirty eight revolver, 267 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.559 the other with a sawed off shotgun. Neither the manager 268 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.279 nor the two witnesses were able to tell us how 269 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.080 the thieves got away from the scene of the crime, 270 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.360 if they were on foot or if they had a car. 271 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.519 Eleven twenty pm, a hot shot call came through on 272 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.639 a hold up at a liquor store and delicatessen down 273 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.559 on South Central Avenue. For the third time that night, 274 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.120 Poull and Selby were identified from their mugshots as the 275 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.480 hold up men. They'd used the same weapons, the revolver 276 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.720 that they'd taken from the Thompson Girls home and the 277 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.679 shotgun that they picked up in the robbery of the 278 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.159 Olympic Boulevard pawn shop. 279 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:10.279 Again, the victims were unable to. 280 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.600 Tell us how the suspects got away, whether on foot 281 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.840 or by car. Midnight one am, there were still no 282 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.080 replies to supplementary broadcasts and bullets which had been gotten out. 283 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.960 One twenty five am, another hot shot call came through, 284 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.600 this time on a hold up and a slugging at 285 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.480 the twenty fifty Room, a small night club on West 286 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.879 ninth Street. Ed and I handled the call for the 287 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.519 fourth time. The bandits were identified as Powell and Selby, 288 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.960 and for the fourth time they'd made good their escape. 289 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.360 We interviewed the manager of the twenty fifty Room at 290 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:40.720 Hermann Saunders. 291 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.200 Quite a few people in here at the time the 292 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:44.360 hold up, mister Saunders. 293 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.960 Yeah, good for Thursday night, thirty or forty anyway, I 294 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:48.879 sure left in a hurry. This is the second time 295 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.000 this year we've been knocked over. Insurance company isn't going 296 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:51.600 to like it too much. 297 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:53.120 How much money did they take all together? 298 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.559 You know, little less than six hundred of the cash register, 299 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:58.559 mostly currency, some rolls of dives and quarters. Got another 300 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.399 one hundred and a half for my wallet about it. 301 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:01.759 They didn't take anything from the customers. 302 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:04.039 You're sure about that identification now, there's no chance of 303 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:04.679 a mistake there. 304 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.279 I'm positive I know Andy Paul anywhere. I should know him, 305 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:08.480 Like I told you, worked for me a. 306 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:09.080 Year and a half. 307 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.240 I was here at twenty fifty. Yeah, he worked behind 308 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.240 the bar. Good Man too. I don't get it at all. 309 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.519 You mean when I went bad, Well, yeah that too. 310 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.039 What I mean is, if you're going to hold up 311 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:18.840 a place, you don't pick a joint where everybody knows you. 312 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.000 I spotted any soon as I saw him at the bar, 313 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:22.159 so a couple of the waiters. 314 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.879 He wasn't wearing any kind of a mask. He didn't 315 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:25.200 make any attempt to disguise himself. 316 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.399 No stood their biggest life. Him and this other fella 317 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.879 didn't waste any time either. I pulled the guns, line 318 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:31.720 up everybody in the place and stood him against that 319 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.559 wall over there, real wild West style took over the 320 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.159 whole place. That could real wild Andy and this other 321 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.919 fellow must be crazy. Nobody was hurt, didn't slug anyway. 322 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.879 I slapped a few of the customers around. I thought 323 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.200 for a while they were really going to get rough. 324 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.960 Adis lined up against the wall, Andy was acting tough, 325 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.720 had this knife with him. Good four inch blade, went 326 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:50.919 right down the line, jabbing people with they're threatening him, 327 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:51.960 must be out of his mind. 328 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.480 And you say he didn't take any money from the customers, Yeah. 329 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:54.720 That's right. 330 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.120 They worked it pretty fast, emptied the cash registered in 331 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:58.399 my wallet, then they beat it. 332 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:00.360 Never so glad to see anybody go in my life life? 333 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:01.399 Well how'd they get away? 334 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.039 Do you have any idea on that old guy who 335 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:04.879 sells papers down the corner? He says he thinks he 336 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:06.679 saw a car pull away right after the stick up 337 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.480 said it was a blue sedan. Don't know much stock 338 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:10.919 you can put in at the old man's eyes on 339 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:11.639 what they used to be. 340 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.879 Do you know Paul pretty well when he was working here, 341 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:15.320 mister Saunders? I mean, do you know any of his 342 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.519 friends people used to run with? 343 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:18.519 No, I didn't know him that well. He worked for me, 344 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.759 that's all. I still have his old address, the place 345 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:21.320 he was living. 346 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:21.879 When he worked for me. 347 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.360 I can get it if you want, Yeah, if you would, please, sure, 348 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.799 No trouble. I just don't get it. Don't get it 349 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.759 at all. Of all the joints in time he could 350 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:31.200 have held up. He had a pick mine, the one 351 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.360 place he'd be recognized. Do you think he'd have better 352 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:33.919 sense when. 353 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:34.480 You'd think so. 354 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.720 Yeah, I'd ever hire a guy's dumb as that. Paul 355 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.879 holding up the place he worked for. Biggest mistake he 356 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:39.320 ever made. 357 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.559 No, he made a bigger one yesterday. Yeah, what was 358 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:49.159 that when he broke prison two five am. Further investigation 359 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.879 at the scene of the latest hold up failed to 360 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.279 turn up any new leads. While Ed and I checked 361 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.720 on Powell's former address, which we'd gotten from the owner 362 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.799 of the twenty to fifty room, Gonzales, Ricketts, and Gaffney 363 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.600 continued checking the immediate neighborhood. In addition, the special detail 364 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.200 from Metro Division was sent in to cover the entire area. 365 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.320 The suspect's former address turned out to be a rooming 366 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.960 house up on West Temple Street. The landlady remembered Andy Powell, 367 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.799 but she had no forwarding address on him, and she 368 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.320 could tell us nothing about his former friends and associates. 369 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.120 We checked back with Gonzales, rickettson Gaffney, and they told 370 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.080 us that besides the old newspaper vendor, the counterman at 371 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.240 the coffee shop near the twenty fifty room, it also 372 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.159 spotted a blue sedan leaving the vicinity of the nightclub. 373 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.879 Shortly after the hold up. He was able to give 374 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.240 him the make, the model and a partial license number. 375 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.279 A supplementary all points had been gotten out on it 376 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.039 immediately and the information relayed to DMV and Auto Theft detail. 377 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:41.519 Three. 378 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.039 Ten am ed and I completed our assignment in the 379 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.200 investigation and went back to the office to check for 380 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.720 instructions from Captain Dideon. 381 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:49.679 Can't sy how we'd be much used out on the 382 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.639 street the way things stand out, can you No? I 383 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.679 know everything's covered. I can think of supplementary All points 384 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.600 is out detail from Metro's work in the neighborhood. 385 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:57.960 It's funny, isn't it. 386 00:15:58.159 --> 00:15:58.519 What's that? 387 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.000 Unless Andy Powell going back to that place he used 388 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:02.559 to work and holding it up. That doesn't make any 389 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:03.279 sense at all, does it. 390 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.480 That's for sure. Must have known somebody was going to 391 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.159 recognize him. Couldn't have been a coincidence. 392 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:08.720 That was only one way I can figure it. They 393 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:10.519 don't care, either one of them. They got their money, 394 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:12.320 now a car, they both got guns. They're out to 395 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.240 go as far as they can. 396 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.759 Oh, hi, Jess, all right, you just get back in, Yeah, 397 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:17.759 all right, Joe. 398 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.879 Right, He was tired as you sound worse. Fair piece 399 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.360 of news, though, Yeah, what's that Paul and Selby? They 400 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:24.480 just found their hideout. 401 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:32.120