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Speaker 5: from the great state of Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Frank, good morning, sir. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, George. Thanks pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3: It's great to have you.
Speaker 5: And we've had honestly, I mean I can't camp, but
Speaker 5: we've had at least five people minimum from Minnesota, maybe more,
Speaker 5: and it's been all of them have been very, very
Speaker 5: good guest.
Speaker 3: So the pressure's on. Brother.
Speaker 5: Hey, take a few moments and introduce yourself to the
Speaker 5: audience if you would.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, name is Frank, born in raised, southwest Minnesota.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty flat here. I was raised Catholic, walked
Speaker 1: away from any kind of religion when I went to college,
Speaker 1: which is common. I found out that something like, over
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of people lose their faith when they
Speaker 1: go to college. It's interesting study there. But I ended
Speaker 1: up drinking a lot in college, which put me in
Speaker 1: a twelve step recovery program for about nine years. And
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I saw a commercial on TV
Speaker 1: that said God gave you one book to read and
Speaker 1: an entire lifetime to read it. And that was kind
Speaker 1: of what started my whole journey in two thousand and
Speaker 1: four was I couldn't argue with the logic. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if I got an entire lifetime to read this book
Speaker 1: and if I read it, nothing happens, I can tell people, well,
Speaker 1: at least I read the book. I read the Bible,
Speaker 1: and I could stop the argument. And so I read it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, things changed. My sister sent me some videos
Speaker 1: of a creationist doctor Kent Hovind. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard of him. Yeah, okay, So I watched Kent
Speaker 1: Hovine series and that was what started me down basically
Speaker 1: the truth journey. I guess, I don't know what people
Speaker 1: call it seekers, truth seekers, but I watched his videos
Speaker 1: and when I was in college, we had spent a
Speaker 1: week studying Grand Canyon and we had talked about all
Speaker 1: the anomalies of Grand Canyon that didn't make sense, like
Speaker 1: the Colorado River flows in at about a thousand feet
Speaker 1: and where it flows out at seven thousand feet, and
Speaker 1: doctor Hovine explained that the flood would have been there
Speaker 1: and basically the western rim of Grand Canyon would have
Speaker 1: been like a dam. The dam broke open, washed out,
Speaker 1: and that's what created Grand Canyon. And the stuff that
Speaker 1: we'd been studying for that week long class in a
Speaker 1: college where we were talking about it instantly made sense
Speaker 1: to me. It was like one of them lightning bolts.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the class was the professors wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about creation, but I think they wanted to. There
Speaker 1: was this huge battle going on with You could tell
Speaker 1: that they were in fighting with the administration about it
Speaker 1: because we got to the end of the class and
Speaker 1: the professor said, there's one thing left we haven't discussed,
Speaker 1: and everybody just kind of looked around. We were looking
Speaker 1: at hl like we kind of beat this thing to death.
Speaker 1: And one kid raised his hand and he he said
Speaker 1: the flood of the Bible, and the professor said yes,
Speaker 1: and then that was just it, like that was the
Speaker 1: end of the class. And so when I was watching
Speaker 1: Hovin and talk about the flood creating Grand Canyon, and
Speaker 1: he talked about Mount Saint Helens kind of did that
Speaker 1: thing where the lava floated down over the Tutal River
Speaker 1: and that washed out overnight and made like a miniature
Speaker 1: replica of Grand Canyon. It just instantly flooded back to
Speaker 1: me flood of the Bible. And with his videos, I
Speaker 1: started going down all the other rabbit holes that you
Speaker 1: go down, and that's kind of that's what started my
Speaker 1: truth journey last year. About February January February, I decided
Speaker 1: it was time to get on Instagram. I'd never been
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm like, well, I should figure out
Speaker 1: what this Instagram is. And I started seeing these things
Speaker 1: on flat Earth and you know, so two thousand and
Speaker 1: four until twenty twenty four, I'd been looking into all
Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories and none of them had ever brought
Speaker 1: up flat earth or moon landing. And at first I
Speaker 1: was like, these guys are crazy. I'm like, what's this
Speaker 1: flat earth nonsense? And I just would, you know, scroll
Speaker 1: past it? And then I was like, Okay. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, I saw a commercial on TV that said,
Speaker 1: God gave you one book to read, an entire lifetime
Speaker 1: to read it. I thought I should apply this logic
Speaker 1: to flat Earth. You know, if I look at it
Speaker 1: and I research it and I come to the conclusion
Speaker 1: that this is just wrong, then at least I can say, well,
Speaker 1: I looked into it and I don't believe it. And
Speaker 1: that's when I was you know, what was the first
Speaker 1: thing that you know, you talk about your your six
Speaker 1: bullet points. That the one first There was a couple
Speaker 1: of the videos with the distance. You know, the guy
Speaker 1: standing on the shore of Michigan. He looks out and
Speaker 1: he can see Chicago, we can see the guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: them are crazy. But this other guy gets on there
Speaker 1: and he shows the under ocean fiber optic cable map,
Speaker 1: and none of the fiber optic cables go from southern
Speaker 1: South America to Southern Africa or from Southern Africa to Australia.
Speaker 1: And I just started looking at that and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's got a point. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to look into it. I can't just dismiss this.
Speaker 1: This guy's got a point. So I think maybe about
Speaker 1: June last summer, I was driving to suit Falls, which
Speaker 1: is about an hour and a half to kill and
Speaker 1: I'm like, on the way there, I'm just gonna see
Speaker 1: if there's anything out there on flat Earth. And I'm
Speaker 1: a Spotify user, so i just punched in flat earth. Boom,
Speaker 1: there was your podcast. Hey, you brought up moon landing
Speaker 1: and I was like, what are you talking about. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what does the moon landing have to do with anything?
Speaker 1: Like I'd never seen anything on it, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: the epic scale that I've been lied to, the amount
Speaker 1: of things that I believed that are just not true.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three years old, and for four months, it
Speaker 1: was till like August or September before I finally committed like, okay,
Speaker 1: flat earth is a thing. I spent four months wobbling,
Speaker 1: questioning my reality. I thought for a while, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm coming unhinged. I don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's interesting. I talk to other people
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, what does it matter? And I
Speaker 1: had to think about that for a while, and what
Speaker 1: I guess what mattered to me.
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 1: I based my religious faith in the Bible was based
Speaker 1: on what I had learned about the creation apologetics arguments,
Speaker 1: and in those arguments they use things like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: Earth can't be more than a million years old because
Speaker 1: the Moon leaves the Earth at a centimeter a year,
Speaker 1: and you go back a million years and the moon
Speaker 1: would be so close to the Earth that the tides
Speaker 1: would just be washing over the continents and things like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't use them arguments anymore. So
Speaker 1: it it shook the foundation of my faith, which is
Speaker 1: why I think I was struggling so hard with it.
Speaker 1: And then you bring it up with your fellow believers
Speaker 1: at church, like, hey, I think the Earth is flat
Speaker 1: and they're like, what, Like where'd you figure this one out?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, it makes sense. You got to
Speaker 1: look at this and that and this and that and yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like in that four month period, my whole reality shifted,
Speaker 1: and it was tough. It was tough to get my
Speaker 1: feedback on the ground, which is weird now because a
Speaker 1: year later, I can't, you know, I can't look at
Speaker 1: it and not see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and four months is incredible for me.
Speaker 3: It was a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: But you know, I tend to think that the older
Speaker 5: you are, the harder it hits you just because of
Speaker 5: how long you've hold on. You've held on to certain beliefs.
Speaker 3: But I think.
Speaker 5: Once that domino fell, like the veil completely fell from
Speaker 5: my eyes, and I was able to see the world
Speaker 5: for as it is, not as how we are told
Speaker 5: it is. And you go back to trusting your senses. Right,
Speaker 5: I do not feel the world's spinning. I see the
Speaker 5: clouds gently floating above me. None of this makes sense.
Speaker 5: And all the pseudoscience that they use to counter your argument,
Speaker 5: which it's not an argument, it's just so simple, and
Speaker 5: it's Okham's razor at its most basic. That even Tesla
Speaker 5: had warned us one hundred years ago plus one hundred
Speaker 5: plus years ago that science was being replaced by math.
Speaker 5: And there is nothing that can lend to heliocentrism true science.
Speaker 3: It's all numbers.
Speaker 5: And if you go back actually over the last one
Speaker 5: hundred years, you will see how many times the number
Speaker 5: has been manipulated. Another thing that you mentioned that I
Speaker 5: hear a lot of is young men and women that
Speaker 5: go off to college, even being lifelong church members, you know,
Speaker 5: getting away for the first time, right, being kind of
Speaker 5: out on your own but being exposed to all of
Speaker 5: these ideals that challenge your long held beliefs. Many professors,
Speaker 5: and again I'm saying many, not all, but there are
Speaker 5: many professors and peers who are in specifically the sciences.
Speaker 5: In these you know, colleges, they question religious doctrines. And
Speaker 5: when you're sitting in class and you're told about the
Speaker 5: dinosaurs and the cavemen and evolution and those things indirectly, well,
Speaker 5: they directly challenge what we're told in the Bible. And
Speaker 5: then of course there's the social rushers and all the
Speaker 5: other secular things that go along with it. And I've
Speaker 5: seen anywhere from twenty percent within the first year to
Speaker 5: sixty five percent by the time they graduate. How people
Speaker 5: go in as followers of Christ and they may come
Speaker 5: out not so much, just going back to the way
Speaker 5: of the world and being focused solely on money. And
Speaker 5: I get it. I remember being twenty and my focus
Speaker 5: wasn't where it should be. And I know that's the
Speaker 5: case for a lot of people. That's wisdom mostly comes
Speaker 5: with older people because we've lived that experience, We've made
Speaker 5: our mistakes, but that is something that parents and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, the people behind the pulse it need to
Speaker 5: be cognizant of and get fair warning.
Speaker 1: Yep, you hit it there. Yeah, I was weird. I
Speaker 1: was after college. I was working in a paul Ierthane
Speaker 1: planned and the guy asked me said, are you a humanist?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I didn't. I'd never heard
Speaker 1: the word before. He's like, are you a humanist? I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And he was He's like, well,
Speaker 1: do you believe in the Big Bang and the urse
Speaker 1: fourteen billion years old and we evolved and da da
Speaker 1: da da da, you know, the whole story of evolution.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I believe that. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: then you're a humanist. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm a humanist to do you know, on to the
Speaker 1: next thing. Just didn't even piece it together, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, sorry, we would help if I unmuted myself.
Speaker 1: That's there.
Speaker 3: You go, that's a rabbit hole in itself.
Speaker 5: If you even go to Wikipedia, look up humanist or humanism,
Speaker 5: and then you'll see that this was started by an
Speaker 5: organization called the American Humanist Association. And then you just
Speaker 5: have to do a little bit, maybe five seconds of scrolling,
Speaker 5: and then you'll be like, oh, I see, because their
Speaker 5: mantra is good without a God. And it's not a
Speaker 5: coincidence that it started the same time the United States
Speaker 5: entered the war. The nineteen forties and fifties really spiral
Speaker 5: to change in this country that we've never recovered from.
Speaker 5: And every time that there's been a type of great awakening,
Speaker 5: like there was a huge one in the colonies in
Speaker 5: the seventeen fifties, and then the Revolutionary War and all
Speaker 5: that kind of snuffed that out. There was another huge
Speaker 5: one that very few people talk about in the early
Speaker 5: nineteen hundreds, and then World War One kicked off. So
Speaker 5: it's all it's funny that every time there seems to
Speaker 5: be an awakening, war snuffs it out. And here we
Speaker 5: are in twenty twenty five post COVID, where you could
Speaker 5: argue that there has been the greatest ship, the greatest
Speaker 5: shift of people becoming awake, and once again we're on
Speaker 5: the precipice of war. Is that going to overshadow everything
Speaker 5: that we've come to, you know, awakened over the last
Speaker 5: five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I guess first, if you have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of Paris Reidhead, He was a pastor back
Speaker 1: and I watched I had these old sermon podcasts. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of it now, but he did
Speaker 1: a sermon called ten Shekels and a Shirt and it
Speaker 1: was basically a sermon on judges and he talked about
Speaker 1: you basically talked about humanism back in the fifties. So
Speaker 1: it's one of the coolest sermons I've heard. So, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, that's how I found it. I
Speaker 1: just typed in the best sermon ever preached. Really, Ye,
Speaker 1: you never get a chance Paris reidhead. That one's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But it was a weird thing. What is that called
Speaker 1: egalitarian versus complementarian? Have you ever you know? The argument?
Speaker 1: It's having women.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Galitarians believe that men and women are equal and
Speaker 5: the complemarians believe that you know, I guess what they're
Speaker 5: saying is obviously they both have distinct roles.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So i'd never heard the term before, like two
Speaker 1: years ago. So I was talking with a gentleman and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, this is egalitarian versus complementarian, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell me what that means. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: do not understand this. So I was at a prayer,
Speaker 1: breakfast with some guys from church, and I said, why
Speaker 1: do we do this? I said, why do we put
Speaker 1: things in boxes? I said, why do you got to
Speaker 1: be a or b? I said, we come up with
Speaker 1: this argument egalitarian versus complementarian, and we fight left and right,
Speaker 1: and we fight, and I get it. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you want to put things in a box so you
Speaker 1: can hold the argument in right, or I'm going to
Speaker 1: put something in a box and put it on a
Speaker 1: storage shelf. Well, when I put things in boxes, it's
Speaker 1: harder to open a box than if it's just laying
Speaker 1: on the table. So I looked at him and I said,
Speaker 1: why do we do this? He says, well, it's called
Speaker 1: defining the argument. I'm like, well that's great, but why
Speaker 1: aren't we defining the argument as biblical versus non biblical?
Speaker 1: So I think that would be a better argument instead
Speaker 1: of creating these categories that if I mentioned it to
Speaker 1: my coworkers, they're not going to know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You ever, hear of a book called Tragedy and Hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: Carol Quigley. He's got some interesting stuff in there, but
Speaker 1: he talks about the two party system. Why do we
Speaker 1: have a two party system, there's endless war and everything
Speaker 1: goes back to banking.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. That might be the top three scams in America.
Speaker 5: It is to believe that, you know, looking down at
Speaker 5: your child to tell them that they have a chance
Speaker 5: to be president of the United States as zero chance.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, and that's just the truth the president and
Speaker 5: you don't want your child to be a servant to
Speaker 5: the bankers anyway.
Speaker 3: These people are evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, it is. I guess that was
Speaker 1: where I went with my truth journey. Was one day
Speaker 1: at work, I got this severe headache and I had
Speaker 1: to go home. And I hardly ever went home from work,
Speaker 1: but I was like, why do we get sick all
Speaker 1: the time? And so I started with like two years
Speaker 1: of just buying every health book I could find, Herbs,
Speaker 1: essential oils ex or seven, bought anatomy charts. They get
Speaker 1: too far to that, but I'd go to all these
Speaker 1: health food stores and just pick up any book that
Speaker 1: looked interesting, like vibrational healing and all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: so I studied that and then I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about politics. So I just started
Speaker 1: looking into politics and I thought if I go to
Speaker 1: city council meetings. I can at least know something about
Speaker 1: my local politics because I can't talk to my US
Speaker 1: congress person. They ain't got the time of day for
Speaker 1: me was two thousand and eight, the stimulus package. I
Speaker 1: sent a letter to my federal congressman, don't vote for
Speaker 1: this stimulus package. And I got a form letter back
Speaker 1: that was rubber stamped, YEP, that said, oh, this would
Speaker 1: be great for the economy, dude to do. We're going
Speaker 1: to create two hundred and twenty five thousand jobs, and
Speaker 1: this will be great for MENA and Da Da da DA,
Speaker 1: and that guy is now governor. I don't know all
Speaker 1: that happened, but so I took out a red pen
Speaker 1: and I corrected it. I'm like, yeah, but what are
Speaker 1: you paying them with. You're gonna create two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: jobs where you're just gonna need more tax money when
Speaker 1: this stimulus package runs out. Sent that back. I never
Speaker 1: got nothing back, but I thought, you know, I should
Speaker 1: go to local at least you know these guys in
Speaker 1: my town. This town's only forty five hundred people, forty
Speaker 1: seven hundred people. I'm like, I bump into these guys.
Speaker 1: Time to time. So I'm like, I should know what's
Speaker 1: going on in my community. So I went to my
Speaker 1: first city council meeting and turned out that one of
Speaker 1: the guys actually worked with and he said, you should
Speaker 1: be on a board. And so they they uh talked
Speaker 1: me into being on the housing and Redevelopment authority in town.
Speaker 1: So I did that for a decade. Uh yeah, oh eh.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you want an interesting thing
Speaker 1: about that, but in my tone, you can do five
Speaker 1: minutes of public presentation at the city council meeting once
Speaker 1: a month.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of towns that will give you
Speaker 5: five minutes, but I will tell you that it has
Speaker 5: kind of become if you lean too far away from
Speaker 5: their stance, they'll do their best to shut you down
Speaker 5: or to interrupt you. I've seen many people who've gone
Speaker 5: even there was a guy in Florida. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you've ever seen this. I'm sure it was on Instagram.
Speaker 5: The guy who went down there. He took us five
Speaker 5: minutes one of those counties in Florida and made the
Speaker 5: case about how NASA needs to be audited and how
Speaker 5: are they justifying their seventy million dollars a day, and
Speaker 5: about the two minute mark, they started to just call
Speaker 5: him names and say it was nonsense. But I mean
Speaker 5: he was speaking super intelligently and for a minute a
Speaker 5: week or so, that video was viral on TikTok Instagram,
Speaker 5: and I mean he was speaking intelligently, making quality points.
Speaker 5: And I would think that any taxpayer would want to
Speaker 5: know that, you know, the government is being fiscally responsible
Speaker 5: with their money, that that is being taken out of
Speaker 5: their paycheck every two weeks. But because again the powers
Speaker 5: that be know how things work, They're like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: wasting our time. They're serious matters here. He's like, really,
Speaker 5: seventy million dollars a day is not a serious matter.
Speaker 5: So again, you know, I did the same thing on
Speaker 5: several occasions in Delaware. They just passed the the assistant
Speaker 5: suicide law here, and I get the compassion part of it,
Speaker 5: but I watched Canada's made program turn into offering veterans
Speaker 5: with PTSD.
Speaker 3: Well, here, take this pill and kill yourself. You'll be
Speaker 3: you'll be better. It's evil, and.
Speaker 1: I just a couple of month months ago, I was
Speaker 1: a palled. I was like, I'd never heard of it before.
Speaker 1: I think a matter of fact, might have been on
Speaker 1: your podcast it was brought up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe in the Netherlands, in Belgium, forgive me
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, for I can't remember if it's miners
Speaker 5: or like for psychological for depression. I think you can
Speaker 5: take assistant suicide for depression in Belgium, in the Netherlands
Speaker 5: if you read, much of Europe and Canada already have
Speaker 5: it and long. It's been in law for at least
Speaker 5: a decade, and now there's twelve states in the United
Speaker 5: States that allow it as well. And I've said, once
Speaker 5: you open that can of worms, there's just no going back.
Speaker 5: They're going to continue every year to try to make
Speaker 5: amendments to it, hope, and people don't pay attention and
Speaker 5: they pass their law because that's what this that's what
Speaker 5: humanism is all about. It's good without God, and you know,
Speaker 5: putting people out of their misery is good, and killing
Speaker 5: babies so there's not world up overpopulation is good.
Speaker 3: It's it's psychopathic, is what it is.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, that you just saying that brings back. I
Speaker 1: was having lunch one time with a bunch of friends
Speaker 1: and one guy had his niece along. I don't know
Speaker 1: how old she was, maybe fifteen ish. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: spitballing here, but we got in this topic and all
Speaker 1: begunner she brought up I think, you know, certain forms
Speaker 1: of murder would be acceptable because of the over population
Speaker 1: of the world. And I was like, uh, I just
Speaker 1: looked at her. I said, have you ever been to
Speaker 1: North Dakota? So there are plenty of room, so we
Speaker 1: ain't got to kill anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, anybody who's flown knows that there's there's still plenty
Speaker 5: of land out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's plenty.
Speaker 1: What what was the whole point of this thing was?
Speaker 1: I did like nine city council presentations that year, like
Speaker 1: nine out of the twelve months. I was the town crazy.
Speaker 1: I think the two I think the two that did
Speaker 1: the best was I gave a good one on nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. When I got down the one of the
Speaker 1: council members said, wow, that was very well articulated and researched.
Speaker 1: So but the coolest one was the last one of
Speaker 1: the year December. Remember climate Gate, Yeah, hide the Decline.
Speaker 1: So I gave I gave my five minutes on hide
Speaker 1: the Decline, and the I was I P PCE, I
Speaker 1: P c CS on the International Panel of Climate Control
Speaker 1: was pushed Starry I think his name was Anyway, the
Speaker 1: head of the electric company in town actually got up
Speaker 1: and said, well, I got to agree with Frank on
Speaker 1: this one, and I've boll fell over.
Speaker 3: I was like wow.
Speaker 1: And then he said it's either he says, at best
Speaker 1: case scenario, these people are incompetent. Worst case scenario, he said,
Speaker 1: this is a crime. I was like, wow, that was
Speaker 1: a cool moment in time for me.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, And God bless you for doing that because
Speaker 5: a lot of people, and I know I've said this before,
Speaker 5: a lot of people just complain without having any solutions
Speaker 5: or making any effort to change things. And I'll be
Speaker 5: honest with you, I do believe part of the reason
Speaker 5: that we have so many of these problems now is
Speaker 5: because the unhinged people have been the louder voice, and
Speaker 5: they've been better. They've been better at consolidating together.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: Of course, there's more nefarious things involved with that, through
Speaker 5: funding through sowers foundations and things like that, but the
Speaker 5: truth is they do a better job of gathering and
Speaker 5: doing these things.
Speaker 1: Well, they're definitely better funded.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent, And again that funding is from
Speaker 5: nefarious sources like the Soros Foundation, and you know, on
Speaker 5: and on and on.
Speaker 1: Well, so you know, I guess what I was originally
Speaker 1: tying in was, you know, I spent this time doing
Speaker 1: health study, and then I started doing politics. And then
Speaker 1: I guess what I noticed was every rabbit hole I
Speaker 1: went down there, it was like a wheel and I
Speaker 1: just kept going on these on the outer rim of
Speaker 1: the wheel, and all the spokes kept going back to banks.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely that the bankers.
Speaker 5: You know, people who think, and I've said this to people,
Speaker 5: that's one of the things I have no problem engaging
Speaker 5: in conversation, people who think the president of the United
Speaker 5: States is the most powerful entity is. I just tell them,
Speaker 5: I say, if every country is in debt, who are
Speaker 5: they in debt to, right, Because if you're in debt
Speaker 5: to someone, they control your assets to a certain extent, right,
Speaker 5: I mean they have to say, over your your thing,
Speaker 5: and it's it all points to the Federal Reserve and
Speaker 5: what do all the countries in the world basically depend on?
Speaker 5: The US dollar is still by far significantly the most
Speaker 5: powerful dollar in the world. The one hundred dollars American
Speaker 5: bill is the be all in currency and the bankers.
Speaker 1: I thought that would change when they stopped the barrel
Speaker 1: of oil.
Speaker 5: Right because theoretically, when they went off the gold standard
Speaker 5: officially and was it seventy one or seventy two, that
Speaker 5: it became a petro dollar.
Speaker 3: But even though all of.
Speaker 5: Its fluctuation of oil and were on the brink of
Speaker 5: war with a country that provides a large percentage of
Speaker 5: the world's oil reserves, it's still standing strong. I do
Speaker 5: think to a certain extent, a certain extent, and I
Speaker 5: could be wrong. I'm not a finance major, but I
Speaker 5: think ips all these intellectual properties, eighty percent of the
Speaker 5: important ones that are used throughout the world are created
Speaker 5: here in the United States. Now we don't have manufacturing anymore.
Speaker 5: Even Trump's new phone that he's charging five hundred bucks
Speaker 5: for or six hundred bucks for, it's getting made in China.
Speaker 5: That was just announced this morning. China is making the
Speaker 5: Trump phones. But it is still whether it's really the
Speaker 5: military industrial dollar, or the banker's dollar, or the petro dollar,
Speaker 5: or the IP dollar, it is still standing strong, and
Speaker 5: I think it will continue to unless, you know, if
Speaker 5: we fall, whether it be militarily or some other type
Speaker 5: of collapse that we're not seeing because I mean the
Speaker 5: end game and we're told in the Bible there's going
Speaker 5: to be a global dollar at some point. So whether
Speaker 5: everyone else falls under us, or there's some type of
Speaker 5: word event where they create a new one, or bitcoin
Speaker 5: takes over, I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bitcoin is an interesting one. That was another thing
Speaker 1: last summer I thought I should look into is cryptocurrency
Speaker 1: and a to my toe in. And that was about it.
Speaker 3: The two things I want to I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Ahead, sorry, no, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I still say two things I want to touch on
Speaker 5: before we go much further is number one. Let me
Speaker 5: write the other one down because I will forget Kent Hoven. Okay, really,
Speaker 5: I still listen to some of his speeches or sermons,
Speaker 5: not speeches, and I find him on point with everything.
Speaker 5: Not only that he is very similar to another pastor
Speaker 5: I listened to out of Montana, Okay, Baldwin. I can't
Speaker 5: think of his first name, pastor Chuck Baldwin out of Montana,
Speaker 5: and there I find them very similar in many cases.
Speaker 5: But Kent, for those who might be new and not
Speaker 5: familiar with him, he is a Young Earth creationist, very
Speaker 5: much like answers and Genesis. However, he was also in
Speaker 5: favor of geophysics in cosmology, right. He was very much
Speaker 5: a literal interpreter of Genesis. But I think did he
Speaker 5: go fool as far as calling out flat Earth? Because
Speaker 5: I know Ken Hammond, those guys did criticize him.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of his stuff on flat Earth.
Speaker 1: I don't anything that I've watched on him. It's never
Speaker 1: been brought up. Okay, I've actually seen him speak twice.
Speaker 1: Was a draw four hours to listen to him speak.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. I pretty much got everything off
Speaker 1: the DVD that I got there. But okay, here's an
Speaker 1: interesting one for you. I was walking up to go
Speaker 1: watch him speak, and there was a coke can on
Speaker 1: the ground, and in my back of my head, I
Speaker 1: thought I should pick that up, like that shouldn't be there,
Speaker 1: but I didn't because I was in a hurry. He
Speaker 1: gets done talking and he says, all right, I put
Speaker 1: a coke can out in the yard. There was a
Speaker 1: five dollars bill underneath of it, and I just want
Speaker 1: to see if anybody would pick it up.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so now every time at work when I'm
Speaker 1: walking by and I see a scrap of paper on
Speaker 1: the floor or a chunk of wood, I stop and
Speaker 1: pick it up. Yeah, it's just one of those moments
Speaker 1: in time that changes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I think he was also one of these guys that
Speaker 5: refuses to or I think he refused to do a
Speaker 5: five oh one C three, which is or C four,
Speaker 5: I forget what it is for churches.
Speaker 3: And Chuck Baldwin is the same way. He's like, I
Speaker 3: refuse to.
Speaker 5: Be in a handshake with the government, because that's why
Speaker 5: a lot of these churches shut down, because they were
Speaker 5: afraid to lose their little tax shelter.
Speaker 3: And they hammed him up for that. I think he
Speaker 3: spent a few years in prison for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he did nine. Yeah, they got it.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but it was Bob.
Speaker 1: What is that drug law when you the ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars limit cash things?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I can't take the name anyway. That's I think that's
Speaker 1: what they put him away on because he took out
Speaker 1: and the weird what I understand was he took out
Speaker 1: ninety eight hundred dollars and they're the judge was like, close.
Speaker 3: Enough, But is that where we at our law now?
Speaker 3: As long as it's close enough.
Speaker 1: I liked I liked Kent on a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: just because he opened my eyes to so much.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 5: Now I respect him and his convictions. You know, nobody
Speaker 5: should have paid taxes with COVID in the aftermath of
Speaker 5: that because our government was hijacked. And I'm not a
Speaker 5: pro Trump or pro Biden, but any you know we
Speaker 5: live in Delaware. Any fool knows that Joe Biden didn't
Speaker 5: get eighty one million votes and our government listened. Our
Speaker 5: government is not controlled by these gentlemen. The fact is,
Speaker 5: and I will stand on this to the day I died,
Speaker 5: if if our Congress and our president acted according to
Speaker 5: the to the actual constitution, they would have zero impact
Speaker 5: on our daily lives, Like nothing would change if you
Speaker 5: followed the rule. But because they throw things in there
Speaker 5: like executive and this and that, they can just make
Speaker 5: things up as they go along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they limited government. When Ron Paul ran for president,
Speaker 1: he was at the Iowa caucus and I watched the
Speaker 1: newspapers and he got number four and in the paper
Speaker 1: they listed one, two, three, and five. They wouldn't even
Speaker 1: put him in, wouldn't even put his name in the paper.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because all he was all about limited government, That's right,
Speaker 1: you know. And and that's what I look at too,
Speaker 1: you know, just another rabbit hole, I said on the
Speaker 1: Housing and Redevelopment Authority for ten years. Well, I watched
Speaker 1: where the money flows to have public housing. Do you
Speaker 1: know how they fund that? It all goes through the reservation.
Speaker 1: The only constitutional clause that you have for public housing
Speaker 1: is to funnel that money through the Indian Nations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I had to log in and
Speaker 1: transfer money or set up the coat whatever I had
Speaker 1: to do that something to transfer the money to the
Speaker 1: local Section eight housing in town. And I just went, really,
Speaker 1: I got to go through the Indian Nation to get
Speaker 1: this done. Really, Yeah, I just I looked at that
Speaker 1: and I went, wow, I mean, you got to find
Speaker 1: a loophole, you know. It's It's like I was surprised,
Speaker 1: you know, I never thought about it before until I
Speaker 1: actually read the content. I mean, how many people actually
Speaker 1: read the Constitution?
Speaker 3: Not many?
Speaker 5: And so is this one of those things where they
Speaker 5: act like the government acts like they're being kind given
Speaker 5: all these breaks to the Native Americans in the United States,
Speaker 5: but they really use them as whatever attack shelter or
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where they funnel the money. That's crazy, It
Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, there's so many interesting things about the
Speaker 1: Indian nation that I just I don't understand. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, we went to Chamberlain, South Dakota, dead
Speaker 1: center of the state, right on the Missouri River. There's
Speaker 1: there's a school there with a you know, a museum
Speaker 1: and a gift shop. Right, So I got talking to
Speaker 1: one of the guys working at the gift shop and
Speaker 1: we started talking about HUD and yeah, yeah, that's a fight.
Speaker 1: I bought Russell Means's book Where White Men Fear to
Speaker 1: Tread or something like that, and that that's an interesting study.
Speaker 1: I started writing a book year and a half ago.
Speaker 1: I've had to rewrite it four times because of flat
Speaker 1: Earth totally changed my view on half of everything I
Speaker 1: thought I knew. But I started thinking about commerce and
Speaker 1: you know, we're basically slaves to commerce, and how does
Speaker 1: the Indian nation fit into this? And you know what,
Speaker 1: how do you look at these atrocities. And last September
Speaker 1: we went to uh Pine Ridge Reservation by the Black
Speaker 1: Hills and actually did two tours on the reservation. One
Speaker 1: was to a high school, and it was interesting to
Speaker 1: me because the lady said, the tour guide said, we
Speaker 1: started teaching the language again because if we can keep
Speaker 1: the language, we can keep the culture. If we can
Speaker 1: keep the culture, we can keep the treaties. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, why do you want to keep the treaties?
Speaker 1: They're like two hundred years old, and when they established
Speaker 1: them they thought for sure they would only last about
Speaker 1: one hundred years, but two hundred years later they're still going.
Speaker 1: I said, why do you want to keep the treaties
Speaker 1: and they said, well, that's our tie back to the lands,
Speaker 1: and the land they're talking about is the Black Hills.
Speaker 1: It's sacred land. And she started talking about how those
Speaker 1: faces on Mount Rushmore are such a disgrace to defacing
Speaker 1: sacred land. It was interesting. The church on the school
Speaker 1: grounds got these beautiful pine knotty pine ceiling from the
Speaker 1: pines were from Colorado. They wouldn't take the pines out
Speaker 1: of the Black Hills as their sacred So we saw
Speaker 1: that and then we did an actual tour like on
Speaker 1: the reservation. But I keep thinking, how did the Native
Speaker 1: Americans fit into history? Because we went intoured. Why can't
Speaker 1: I think of it now? The big battle there, it
Speaker 1: was basically a slaughtery.
Speaker 3: Me, wounded me, wounded me.
Speaker 1: We ended the tour on wounded me, okay. And basically
Speaker 1: what we gathered was they stopped teaching the Lakota language
Speaker 1: for two generations. Well, all that information's gone. What did
Speaker 1: those people see that we're here before? You know, history
Speaker 1: is such a mess. What did they see that we
Speaker 1: will never know about because they stopped talking the native
Speaker 1: language for two generations?
Speaker 5: And honestly, all it takes is one generation to lose
Speaker 5: out on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was firmly intent for two generations they
Speaker 1: stopped teaching, so that history is just gone.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I would really love to just dig in, maybe go
Speaker 1: see what I can find.
Speaker 3: I had no idea about this.
Speaker 5: And according to this, like you said, Mount Rushmore is
Speaker 5: located in the Black Hills, which is considered sacred by
Speaker 5: the Lakota Sioux. It holds deep spiritual and cultural significance.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned treaties, Well, the eighteen sixty eight Treaty
Speaker 5: of Fort Laramie guaranteed the Black Hills to the Lakota. However,
Speaker 5: coma after gold was discovered, the US government sees the
Speaker 5: land in eighteen seventy seven. And then, of course, on
Speaker 5: top of that, they carve the presidents on top of
Speaker 5: the land, you know, looking down at their land. I
Speaker 5: never knew this, And now that I'm reading this, how
Speaker 5: infuriating looking up at that they must be. And I'm
Speaker 5: not laughing in jest by any means. It's just it's
Speaker 5: par for the course for our government.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't laugh, you'll cry.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're you know, just like when Afghanistan they found
Speaker 5: those trillion dollar reserves. Oh, we have to bring you freedom.
Speaker 5: We're going to bring you freedom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How about two trillion dollars they lost right before
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Oh yeah, we mentioned this and then
Speaker 1: all these buildings fell. Yeah, speaking of which, have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of book?
Speaker 3: Brooksley Borne said that again?
Speaker 1: Brooksley Borne, huh huh. She's an interesting one. If you
Speaker 1: if you get time derivatives, she got up I don't
Speaker 1: quote me if she got up in front of Congress,
Speaker 1: but she was a big proponent of there are more
Speaker 1: derivatives in the world than are actually assets. We trade
Speaker 1: more money than is physically capable of buying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that goes to show that money's fake. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: what's their name again? I can't find any I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure you've read the g.
Speaker 5: Edward Griffin's books, of course, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Creature jackal Island,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, creature from Jacko Island in a world with all cancer. Yep,
Speaker 1: those two books really opened my eyes. He talks about
Speaker 1: the Civil War, you know, he said in his book,
Speaker 1: in his books, what I gathered from it was okay,
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, Andrew Jackson, right, have you ever looked
Speaker 1: up the history of the national debt by president?
Speaker 5: I know, if I recall correctly, every president that takes
Speaker 5: over that the debt has doubled at.
Speaker 1: Least except Andrew Jackson. Really, the debt went from like
Speaker 1: f fifty eight million to three hundred and seventy thousand.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got rid of like ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: the debt. Well, he spent his whole eight year campaign.
Speaker 1: I'll get rid of the banks. I'm going to root
Speaker 1: you out. You've done of vipers, you know, So basically
Speaker 1: what I surmise from G. Edward Griffin's books was the
Speaker 1: banks wanted back in the South. Basically they're trade with Europe.
Speaker 1: They stuck it to the South with the cotton and
Speaker 1: the tobacco, and they made it easy on the North.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tariffs were heavily outweighed on the South and
Speaker 3: the North.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Crazy. So what he says is basically Britain came
Speaker 1: over and was going to join the South. Russia landed
Speaker 1: ships on the California coastline basically told Britain you go
Speaker 1: home or we're going to join the North. Well, Britain left,
Speaker 1: Russia left, and we just duked it out ourselves. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting theory. I can't really prove it or disprove it,
Speaker 1: but it makes more sense than what I'm told in school.
Speaker 3: Right somewhere between.
Speaker 1: Where the big you know, everybody's like, oh, Civil Wars
Speaker 1: about slavery, Where were the big battles where they went
Speaker 1: in and freed the plantations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a coincidental opportunity for Lincoln in you know,
Speaker 5: when he declared the Emancipation Proclamation. If you go back
Speaker 5: and look at the debates in eighteen sixty, he didn't
Speaker 5: have one way or the other. He said it didn't
Speaker 5: matter to him. He said leave it to the States.
Speaker 5: He didn't talk down on it whatsoever when he had
Speaker 5: the opportunity when he should have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then you go to nineteen seventeen Bolshevik Revolution
Speaker 1: and basically I surmised that you Edward and said that
Speaker 1: basically they were paid mercenaries and the banks were getting
Speaker 1: back at Russia. Yeah, you did this thing back in
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties and sixties with America, and we're going
Speaker 1: to get back at you.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: The stab in the back that happened to Germany and
Speaker 5: the Bolsheviks taking over in Russia all happened within a
Speaker 5: very short period of time, and they were all the
Speaker 5: same people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever read Alexander schultzen Eatsen's Gulag Archipelago?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 5: I remember you mentioning it in your email and I
Speaker 5: meant to look it up and I don't think I have.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so it's in three volumes. I actually got
Speaker 1: one of them sitting here. He's got three volumes of
Speaker 1: these things and they're all like over six hundred pages.
Speaker 3: Did you get that off eBay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you can get EBA if I bought the
Speaker 1: first one actually Barnes and Noble oddly enough, but it's
Speaker 1: like six hundred and fifty pages in each volume, So
Speaker 1: that's like nineteen hundred to two thousand pages of just
Speaker 1: the most horrifying experiences you can imagine in the Gulag
Speaker 1: in Russia.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I remember this.
Speaker 1: I got halfway through the second volume. I couldn't read anymore.
Speaker 1: I just I put it down. Every time I try
Speaker 1: to pick it up. I'm just horrified. Everybody wants to
Speaker 1: talk about Hitler in it. Man, if you haven't looked
Speaker 1: up Russia, you're he makes it. It overshadows it. Can
Speaker 1: I say that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Stalin, I mean what fifty million is the number
Speaker 5: that they use, Yeah, fifty million. And that was our
Speaker 5: And that's that's when I started waking up, because I
Speaker 5: had heard some of these things, and my natural instincts
Speaker 5: were to block it. But you know, after flat anytime
Speaker 5: I heard anything, no matter how ridiculous it sounded. In
Speaker 5: many cases, yes, it turned out to be something ridiculous,
Speaker 5: but you will stop and look these things up, and
Speaker 5: then you start to ask the secondary questions. And that's
Speaker 5: part of the transformation after you become aware of biblical cosmology,
Speaker 5: is okay, we got to keep digging. Well, why did
Speaker 5: we team up with a group of people so evil?
Speaker 5: Once again? Are are we using the less of the
Speaker 5: two evils again? Excuse? And then you continue to look
Speaker 5: and find out that FDR new around Thanksgiving of nineteen
Speaker 5: forty one of the plan of Japan and he let
Speaker 5: them bomb them. So we get under the wars and
Speaker 5: you find out about Operation Northwoods nine to eleven, And
Speaker 5: once all of these dominoes completely fall, you realize that
Speaker 5: everything is connected, right from from flat Earth to nine
Speaker 5: to eleven to the Civil War to World War two
Speaker 5: to Vietnam. It's all un chain of events that are
Speaker 5: orchestrated by a very minute group of evil people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's yep. Wait, once you see it, you
Speaker 1: can't g Edward Griffin always said that. He said, once
Speaker 1: a bell has been wrong, it can't be unwrong.
Speaker 3: That's right, Going to be happy with me. I'm buying
Speaker 3: another book.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, I can't read it. It just
Speaker 1: it's horrifying. And that leads to Stanley Milgram. You know
Speaker 1: Stanley Milgrim and the sociology experiments. You ever seen, ever
Speaker 1: seen this one? The experimenter, I believe, so, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they made the movie on it. It's sixty five percent
Speaker 1: of people would go on far enough to at least
Speaker 1: extremely torture another human being because I think an authority
Speaker 1: figure tells them to. Yep, staggering, and I'm no better.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean I am
Speaker 1: surprised that fifty three I can still have my whole
Speaker 1: world shaken.
Speaker 3: Right. That says a lot, right I do?
Speaker 1: How can I study all these conspiracy theories for twenty
Speaker 1: years and then just get rocked by flat Earth?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What what happened? I mean there was a point I
Speaker 1: didn't I just sat down for like an hour with
Speaker 1: my coffee and went, what do I do next?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: When you find the arc of the Covenant, per se,
Speaker 5: where do you go from there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: And then you hit that next there's that next turtle,
Speaker 5: You're so excited after you've dealt with the emotions. And
Speaker 5: for me, it was kind of self shame. I was
Speaker 5: ashamed of myself because I was allowed to be duped.
Speaker 5: Because I consider myself a not so much a book
Speaker 5: smart guy, right, who used to have a's all his
Speaker 5: life but someone who had common sense, had the street smarts,
Speaker 5: who was able to, you know, navigate my way through
Speaker 5: several theaters of combat, relatively physically unscarred and just understanding
Speaker 5: things quickly. And part of that is I love trying
Speaker 5: new things. Oh, ham radio, let's give that a try.
Speaker 5: Oh raising chickens, let's give that a try. Bowling, all
Speaker 5: of this just I'm willing to try anything new, And
Speaker 5: every time I achieved something, I'm like, hey, you got
Speaker 5: to try this, eating your own eggs in the morning,
Speaker 5: fresh right out of your backyard and talking to someone
Speaker 5: over the radio in Russia or Yugoslavia or well it's
Speaker 5: not yugoslav anymore.
Speaker 3: But you get my point.
Speaker 5: And then oh, hey, guess what, the whole globes a lie, right,
Speaker 5: excuse me? And you get looked down And I thought
Speaker 5: I thought you were cool. And you know, I get
Speaker 5: emails from people who have had friends for thirty forty
Speaker 5: fifty years just completely like turn their backs on them,
Speaker 5: and just you know, I guess line to that book,
Speaker 5: let me ask you this, in line with Stanley Milgram's
Speaker 5: book The Obedience to Authority, do you think there was
Speaker 5: a certain point in our timeline where are the timeline
Speaker 5: they tell us, we'll go with that for right now.
Speaker 5: Where they said, hey, we need to push this or
Speaker 5: Satan through his people right said hey, this we need
Speaker 5: this is how we can deceive the masses.
Speaker 1: Hey, I find the whole. Like I've you've talked about
Speaker 1: Little Season and theories on that, people go back and
Speaker 1: forth on it and things like that. That when it
Speaker 1: comes to Satan being in charge, I think he's very
Speaker 1: good at his job. I think I did a study
Speaker 1: recently where I took every reference that I could find
Speaker 1: of Satan or Lucifer in the Bible, wrote them all down,
Speaker 1: mapped out my thoughts on the verse. He was created
Speaker 1: and he was one of the highest of angels, and
Speaker 1: he was good at what he did. And I think
Speaker 1: through his time, you know, personally, I like the Little
Speaker 1: Season argument. If the Little Season's true, he had a
Speaker 1: thousand years to think about this. He came out of
Speaker 1: the gate swinging, That's what I think. But he had
Speaker 1: it planned out. And if not, he's still been around longer,
Speaker 1: and I've been around. He said, lots of time to
Speaker 1: do this, and it's how how hard is it to
Speaker 1: manipulate us? I go. I went into the public school
Speaker 1: system of five and I'm not smart. I struggled all
Speaker 1: the way till like seventh grade. Outstanding thing happened about
Speaker 1: halfway through seventh grade. I learned how to study. I
Speaker 1: went from c's and d's to a's because I figured
Speaker 1: out what they wanted me to know and I could
Speaker 1: regurgitate it. And that's just what I did through my
Speaker 1: high school career and through college. Was I figured out
Speaker 1: what they wanted for answers and I just regurgitated it
Speaker 1: to him. But through that I changed my view of
Speaker 1: the world. That's why when he asked me if I
Speaker 1: was a humanist, I was like, well, I guess I
Speaker 1: am because that's what I believe because that's what I've
Speaker 1: been taught and I don't know anything else. And I'm
Speaker 1: just not a smart guy. I couldn't piece it together
Speaker 1: that I had options. So on Ovine brought up Young Earth.
Speaker 1: I went, what is this? I'm like this, but you
Speaker 1: know that took me fifteen minutes to accept, not four months.
Speaker 3: Is he still going around preaching?
Speaker 1: As far as I know, it's it's less. I don't
Speaker 1: see him on a circuit like he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's older. I think he's in his seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I catch some of his clips on
Speaker 1: like Instagram or YouTube.
Speaker 3: Yeah, YouTube, for sure, I've caught some of his stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you think again?
Speaker 5: All of these systems that are put in place for
Speaker 5: intentional reasons, Right, I believe we have free energy, right,
Speaker 5: but they manipulate it to become a parasit so we
Speaker 5: can we can't relax, right, we have to be working
Speaker 5: because I got to pay the electric bill, I got
Speaker 5: to pay the insurance, right. And if you don't, Yeah,
Speaker 5: if you don't pay insurance, you lose your light, you
Speaker 5: lose the privilege to drive, and all of these other
Speaker 5: things that add up that causes to have to work
Speaker 5: and to mom to work to make ends meet. So
Speaker 5: the obedience thing, when they are creating all of these things,
Speaker 5: it is public school, well not just public school, much
Speaker 5: of the education systems in our country are set up
Speaker 5: to you have to answer this way in order to
Speaker 5: get a grade. A dog says, if I'm good and
Speaker 5: I sit, I get a treat. Now, I'm not comparing
Speaker 5: the two, but I'm saying, if I want to get
Speaker 5: an A, I have to memorize this information the way
Speaker 5: I am told right. But my biggest thing with the
Speaker 5: current education system it promotes very little critical thinking. And again,
Speaker 5: I talk about education a lot on my other podcast,
Speaker 5: and I always say I'm not here to beat up
Speaker 5: the teachers because just like when I was a soldier,
Speaker 5: I was in an evil system, right, I was in
Speaker 5: an evil system. I was a tool of evil people.
Speaker 5: And I think the education was set up like for me,
Speaker 5: it was so difficult to sit in a chair all
Speaker 5: day long as a young man full of energy. It
Speaker 5: almost felt like a prison to me.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah you're not, you got adhd. No, I'm
Speaker 1: ten and I want to run.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And I just had Freddy pebbles and kool
Speaker 5: Aid unleash.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Charlotte Izerby ever hear of her, Nope, okay, Charlotte
Speaker 1: Izraby had some really great like you can find YouTube
Speaker 1: talks to her. But she was second in command in
Speaker 1: the Department of Education. Oh yeah, okay, And she looked
Speaker 1: at the books on the shelf of the dude that
Speaker 1: was in charge, and she's like, wow, these are all
Speaker 1: Pavlovian theory. And she went, this is in doctrination, not education.
Speaker 1: And so she spent tons of time going out talking
Speaker 1: about the education system. She's got great videos out there
Speaker 1: about in doctor nation versus education.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny her father and grandfather were in
Speaker 3: Skull and Bones.
Speaker 1: Weird, which is probably how she rose so high.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know what I think she was. I
Speaker 5: think she was used as a positive reinforcement because if
Speaker 5: you go back and remember, the Department of Education was
Speaker 5: hijacked federally during the Carter administration, and one of the
Speaker 5: things Reagan ran on he said he was going to
Speaker 5: dissolve the Department of Education. But what would happen if
Speaker 5: you brought somebody in who said they were going to
Speaker 5: improve it, make it better? People would forget about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's yeah, boom. We've been We've been, We've
Speaker 1: been duped.
Speaker 3: Had the rug pulled out from under us.
Speaker 1: You got the Department of Education, you got the EPA,
Speaker 1: you got hug you got all these branches a government
Speaker 1: that have no authority being branch as a government.
Speaker 5: Before we come back to flat Earth, we still have
Speaker 5: about twenty or thirty minutes left. I wanted to mention
Speaker 5: because you did mention somebody who I have taken the
Speaker 5: time to read and find interesting. My lunch break has
Speaker 5: been a great YouTube channel that a lot of truthers
Speaker 5: have been following. And you know, like the word founded
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily mean that it was built in seventeen eighty four.
Speaker 5: It just meant that building may have been found in
Speaker 5: seventeen eighty four, which kind of lends credence to a
Speaker 5: type of geological event that may have taken place. But
Speaker 5: you mentioned a nuttaly Famenko who wrote I think was
Speaker 5: it a five to six seven series of books that
Speaker 5: were that are very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is both science or fiction. That's the next
Speaker 1: thing I got to purchase. I've been reading some of
Speaker 1: it online just because I haven't got around of buying
Speaker 1: the books yet, but I'd rather have the hard copy.
Speaker 1: But his stuff is amazing. Yeah, I found my lunch
Speaker 1: break must have been like around December last year, and
Speaker 1: now every Saturday, I'm waiting for that episode to come up.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't say donkeys Incorporated, I feel cheated. But
Speaker 1: that was another thing that just shook my world. He's
Speaker 1: just like, you got to take a look around. That's
Speaker 1: why I got this background out of this building behind me.
Speaker 1: Was I can't go to a town around here and
Speaker 1: not take pictures of these buildings. So the courthouse in
Speaker 1: my town. Okay, yeah, all right. So two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: I went on this trip to Portland stopped at this
Speaker 1: small town. We must have been like maybe I know,
Speaker 1: looked out the hotel when when I saw Masonic Temple,
Speaker 1: and I looked over and I saw the courthouse. And
Speaker 1: in my town we got one of them old town
Speaker 1: squares where the courthouses in the middle, and all the
Speaker 1: businesses are on the outside and on the west sides
Speaker 1: of Masonic Temple, and on the east side's an oddfellows club,
Speaker 1: the library. On the corners of bank used to be
Speaker 1: banks as a National bank. Right across the top there's
Speaker 1: the other building that's now like a Mexican grocery store.
Speaker 1: It's got this picture of like bail like in the
Speaker 1: in the keystone. And I'm looking at these buildings around
Speaker 1: the square, going yeah, this is crazy. Like my lunch
Speaker 1: break opened that up. So I started looking at the
Speaker 1: history of it. This courthouse in town was built in
Speaker 1: nineteen oh five, and it's all marble and granite and
Speaker 1: huge copper dome on top, and the ceilings painted and
Speaker 1: the courtroom on top. It's just it's they said they
Speaker 1: built it for sixty thousand dollars, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: Chad e GP, how much is sixty thousand dollars worth today? Well,
Speaker 1: it'd be approximately one point eight one point nine million dollars.
Speaker 1: The article comes out in the paper a month ago.
Speaker 1: Newspaper in town right says there the courthouse might come
Speaker 1: off the National Register because they want to redo the
Speaker 1: windows at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna redo the windows at three quarter of a million,
Speaker 1: But you're telling me the approximate cost to build this
Speaker 1: entire thing was one point nine so half of the
Speaker 1: money went to windows. I'm like, what about the granite,
Speaker 1: what about the marble? Well, like in the basement, I
Speaker 1: swear the basement is sunk. Some people are like mudflood
Speaker 1: this and the buildings, LIQ, what faction they sunk? And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this building, going, man, this thing might
Speaker 1: have sunk because them windows look like they should be
Speaker 1: above ground fullmenco So what I've been looking into is
Speaker 1: history in history or science? Is no? He basically surmises
Speaker 1: us that like there's the dark the dark ages, like
Speaker 1: King Arthur and the Crusades and all this stuff, like
Speaker 1: the history overlaps and basically there's a twelve hundred year
Speaker 1: period that just didn't exist. It's I can't I can't
Speaker 1: believe the stuff I'm reading from him, but I I
Speaker 1: basically don't trust any history before seventeen fifty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what a lot of people argue about
Speaker 5: that thousand years is that it happened from the fifth
Speaker 5: century to the fifteenth century. But it's interesting because wasn't
Speaker 5: the Magna Carta supposedly signed like around twelve to fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that I didn't trust none of.
Speaker 3: It exactly, the knights of the Templar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and should we trusted that if they lie about
Speaker 5: us living on a spinning ball, then they're capable of
Speaker 5: lying about everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you take So I tried to look out. Okay,
Speaker 1: Gutenberg came out movable type fourteen hundreds, where the books.
Speaker 1: You know, we get a new technology in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years, thirty years ago, and I didn't own a computer.
Speaker 1: I remember when an email came out in the early nineties. Yep,
Speaker 1: in the last thirty years, I now, I went from
Speaker 1: not owning a computer to a desktop, a laptop, smartphones, iPads.
Speaker 1: Look at the technology, Look at ai. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so fast, and you're telling me they came out with
Speaker 1: movable type in the fourteen hundreds and didn't start making
Speaker 1: books till seventeen fifty, Like you just sat on it
Speaker 1: for three hundred years. I started looking at paintings. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the painting. You know, you go back eighteen hundreds with
Speaker 1: all your Renaissance and all your famous painters. But you
Speaker 1: see your history before seventeen fifty, spotty, like, oh, they
Speaker 1: painted this painting and it might have been in this
Speaker 1: five hundred year window. And then you look at architecture, Well,
Speaker 1: this could have been built in five hundred to a thousand.
Speaker 1: So your history on architecture, book, music, look at the
Speaker 1: house body. The history of music is before seventeen fifty.
Speaker 1: And the ones that are listed are all tied to
Speaker 1: the Vatican. Yeah, all your painters are tied to the Vatican,
Speaker 1: all your art everything. So I actually took the time
Speaker 1: once I saw that this Masonic temple was near the courthouse,
Speaker 1: and my Masonic temple is near the courthouse in town here,
Speaker 1: I just started looking at every county seat that I
Speaker 1: drove to Massonic town is always near the court House.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is weird. And then my lunch break,
Speaker 1: he's basically hinting at that the people running the Masonic
Speaker 1: temples are the ones that were right in the history.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, maybe he's onto something, maybe he's got
Speaker 1: a point. And then Donkeys Incorporated, Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: I just once he started saying these things, the pieces
Speaker 1: started clicking together. But you know, flat Earth, you talk
Speaker 1: it myself. I was never taught the numbers eight seconds
Speaker 1: per milesquare. You're never taught the numbers in my entire time.
Speaker 1: I've got a degree in science, never taught those numbers.
Speaker 1: They just they don't bring it up. They don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. So I looked up, Uh yeah, well obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so if I talk to somebody about flat Earth,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, do you know the curvature? Nobody
Speaker 1: knows it. I've yet to run into a person that
Speaker 1: knows it. So you look at the fittest flat Earth, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyler.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he takes that video on the coast of
Speaker 1: Florida and he looks one hundred and ninety two or
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four miles up the coast through
Speaker 1: his camera and he can see the buildings. And you
Speaker 1: punch that into a flat earth or a curvature calculator
Speaker 1: at like four point seven miles of curvature drop, he
Speaker 1: should not see those.
Speaker 3: Buildings, not at all.
Speaker 1: But you're never taught the equation. They don't want you
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 1: So I look up the ninety three million miles from
Speaker 1: here to the sun, right, and I'm like, well, how
Speaker 1: did they come up with these numbers? So I look
Speaker 1: up this article in the one article says well, there's
Speaker 1: two different ways to calculate this, but one you need
Speaker 1: to know the distance to the moon. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if that's one of your calculations in the formula, you
Speaker 1: don't know the distance to the moon. I'm like, so
Speaker 1: this equation doesn't work. And the other one you had
Speaker 1: to know the mass of the Sun. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't know the mass of the sub would you get
Speaker 1: off scale and wait?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: So they don't know, they're guessing. They I don't know
Speaker 1: where they came, you know, I haven't studied enough into the.
Speaker 3: I think they get backward math.
Speaker 5: I think the numbers that they wanted to be because
Speaker 5: the numbers have meaning that ninety three is a very
Speaker 5: important number two those in the occult, whether it's thelema
Speaker 5: mocking you know, Adam, that number ninety three, nine thirty,
Speaker 5: the number ninety three is the thelema Aleister Crawley's as above,
Speaker 5: so below, meaning all of that stuff, and they just yeah,
Speaker 5: and they use it, and the they figure out the
Speaker 5: math to be able to explain it, and they hire
Speaker 5: people like you know, Bill Ny, the science guy, and
Speaker 5: the other dude I can never remember his name, poor guy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And it's just it goes back to it. It's very
Speaker 5: disappointing that we're not. It should be our basic nature
Speaker 5: to question everything, right, not like, hey, the Eagles won yesterday,
Speaker 5: seventeen to fourteen, got it right. I'm not gonna double
Speaker 5: check my friend.
Speaker 3: Are you sure? I'm going to affect check you.
Speaker 5: But anything that we are told that is based on math,
Speaker 5: and you know, read the Bible.
Speaker 3: Read the Bible, most of that stuff goes against it.
Speaker 5: There was never any cavemen, no evolution, no Big bang theory.
Speaker 5: We don't live on a spinning ball. There's not life.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, we picked up a radio wave from
Speaker 5: Zone T ninety seven yesterday, you know, and we're sending
Speaker 5: out radio communitdications in area fifty one and all this
Speaker 5: other nonsense. But again, like you said, give credit, they're
Speaker 5: very smart about how everything was designed. They intentionally brought
Speaker 5: in science fiction movies and comics to get people to
Speaker 5: subliminally accept these things as they bring them. And now
Speaker 5: for speaking truth, you're the one looked at as a lunatic.
Speaker 1: That is a fact. Yeah, the numbers are made up.
Speaker 1: They just use them. There's too many yeah six and
Speaker 1: too many ninety threes, too many twenty sevens, too many
Speaker 1: seventy two's.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I meant to ask you about one of the
Speaker 5: things in your email, but before that, I wanted to
Speaker 5: mention really quick my state rep. His name is Shannon Morris,
Speaker 5: District thirty here in Delaware. We live in a very
Speaker 5: rural area, so we're one of the few actually Republican
Speaker 5: what do you call it districts in the state. He
Speaker 5: is the chief code enforcement officer for the county, and
Speaker 5: he is a member of Masonic Union Lodge number seven
Speaker 5: and the Grand Lodge of Delaware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really what I've come to believe
Speaker 1: over time is I know two or three, four or four,
Speaker 1: at least four of the local Masons in town. Great guys,
Speaker 1: they're just great people. They don't I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want a dog on it too bad because I like
Speaker 1: these guys. I look at how bad I've been deceived.
Speaker 1: But what don't I know yet? I'm still talk to
Speaker 1: my world. Yeah, what's next? What's gonna blow my mind next?
Speaker 1: There there's still just guys in the community trying to
Speaker 1: get by. They believe in the thing, and it's basically
Speaker 1: a do gooders club. You know, they're not destroying my town.
Speaker 1: I know them. They're not. They're owned businesses. They they're
Speaker 1: on the fire department. They're great guys. They're just I
Speaker 1: don't agree with what they're group is their organization. I
Speaker 1: don't want to join it, but I don't think they
Speaker 1: I firmly believe they don't know the history of it,
Speaker 1: or they might change their mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if they even know there was actual.
Speaker 5: What do you call political groups that were basically all
Speaker 5: about stopping Freemasonry at the Anti Mason Group of the
Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds, they were actually a political affiliation that people.
Speaker 5: They based their entire political organization on getting Freemasons.
Speaker 3: Out of government, out of schools. I wanted to go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I want these guys to think that I don't like
Speaker 1: them because of this organization that they're and I just
Speaker 1: would like them to be open minded to consider that
Speaker 1: maybe they should look at, well, why are you in
Speaker 1: a secret society? What's the purpose? What's the goal?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: And the Bible as far as Christian values, the Bible
Speaker 5: is very clear about and you can find thousands of
Speaker 5: really well read articles on why Christians have no business
Speaker 5: being involved in a secret society.
Speaker 1: No, you ever ever see this one? I can't say
Speaker 1: it proofs of a conspiracy. Whey eight.
Speaker 3: I think I may have seen that.
Speaker 1: John Robinson wrote this seventeen ninety eight, and he basically
Speaker 1: talks about how they found the what country was it?
Speaker 1: Then basically the guy carrying the documents for the New.
Speaker 5: World, oh yeah, all about had them y shopped and
Speaker 5: everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gets struck by lightning and Austria. I think they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we ought to get rid of this group there for
Speaker 1: world domination, and they warn't all the other nations and they're like, eh,
Speaker 1: you know, not too worried about it, and then on
Speaker 1: one of your podcasts, this guy mentions, uh, free masonry.
Speaker 1: It was free, the buildings were there already. That's clever.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh ah. So I had this huge thought on on
Speaker 1: the oil right, and I'm like, why has nobody ever talking.
Speaker 5: About That's what I was bringing up next, because I
Speaker 5: think you and I have similar beliefs on that go ahead.
Speaker 1: About a month ago, you had a guest on The
Speaker 1: Younger Gentleman and he brought that up, and I was like, finally,
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one in the world. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I go with you know, I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: with the little season man. I think uh, I think
Speaker 1: shale shale, oil shale. I think Satan was down there
Speaker 1: a thousand years and when he got loose, he just
Speaker 1: brought it up. And my reasoning is, look at the
Speaker 1: history of oil, Like you you look up oil on
Speaker 1: the internet and they're like, oh, yeah, six hundred BC,
Speaker 1: the Chinese might have used it, they might have piped it.
Speaker 1: And then maybe there's some stuff in like king art,
Speaker 1: there's court time, but there's basically nothing before like eighteen
Speaker 1: thirty six, Like this stuff is supposedly just bubbling on
Speaker 1: the ground Jed Clampett style. It lubricates things, it burns.
Speaker 1: Nobody was cold, nobody needed something lubricated. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how could this product be just floating around for a
Speaker 1: couple thousand years and you know, just stupid peasants couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out how to use it. I just you know,
Speaker 1: and then you look at the Bible on it and uh,
Speaker 1: oh what did I write down?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you six days before Jesus is visited by
Speaker 1: Elijah and Moses. I can't think of what it's called.
Speaker 1: But he's standing there and he says, some of you
Speaker 1: standing here shall not taste death before I come again,
Speaker 1: before I come in my glory. And six days later
Speaker 1: they're they're like, oh, it's all about that time. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, so either somebody a lot of people
Speaker 1: died in those next six days, or that's not the
Speaker 1: event he's talking about, because some of you shall not
Speaker 1: taste death till I come again in my glory. Well,
Speaker 1: if he came six days later in his glory. During
Speaker 1: that time, he was up on the mountain talking to
Speaker 1: Moses and Elijah and they're like, hey, we should build
Speaker 1: two three altars here. You know what, Uh, Revelation talks
Speaker 1: about one hundred and forty four thousand converts before Jesus
Speaker 1: comes back. Well, that's the slowest amount of conversion ever
Speaker 1: if it's been two thousand years, you know, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if I butt you know, I think
Speaker 1: a forty four one hundred and forty four thousand converts
Speaker 1: could he easily happened a long time ago? And then
Speaker 1: he says in Revelation he's always saying, surely I come quickly.
Speaker 1: Well it's two thousand years quick. And then God's not
Speaker 1: slack concerning his promises, and he talks about the harvest.
Speaker 1: You know, he's talking to the guys, the apostles, and
Speaker 1: he's like, the harvest is plenteous, but the laborers are few.
Speaker 1: Well if the heart you know, I live around farmers.
Speaker 1: This that's all we do here. It's flat. We got corn,
Speaker 1: we got soybeans. When the harvest is plenty, is you
Speaker 1: don't wait two thousand years the harvest. And these are
Speaker 1: just my reasonings, and I can't obviously prove anything, but
Speaker 1: when people started talking about the little season, I was like,
Speaker 1: this makes sense. If Satan was down locked up for
Speaker 1: a thousand years. He had time to write movies, write books,
Speaker 1: write music, come out of the gates swinging. So I well,
Speaker 1: and people are always like, two, why is the world
Speaker 1: so evil today? There's so many bad things? And if
Speaker 1: God's loving and caring, these bad things wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay. One, God says, I will refine
Speaker 1: you as silver's tried in the fire, and that is
Speaker 1: an interesting study in itself. I watched a video on
Speaker 1: a lady who talked about refining silver. One has got
Speaker 1: to be held in the heat for the right amount
Speaker 1: of time. If you don't heat it long enough, you
Speaker 1: don't get the imperioities out. If you heat it too long,
Speaker 1: you burn it. But the interesting thing is the refiner
Speaker 1: says she's She asked the refiner, how do you know
Speaker 1: when it's done? And he says, I see my reflection
Speaker 1: in it, I see my image in the silver. Well,
Speaker 1: if we're made in God's image and we're gonna be refined, yeah,
Speaker 1: life's gonna be tough. If God didn't love you, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't refine you. So yeah, the world's tough. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: being refined. But also I think Satan's running the show.
Speaker 1: Why is the world wicked? He's in charge for a
Speaker 1: little season, God said, you know, it's kind of like job.
Speaker 1: You can have this season, do what you want. Why
Speaker 1: is the world wicked? Yeah, look who's in charge. And
Speaker 1: that's my reasoning for going with little season.
Speaker 3: Indeed, well said.
Speaker 5: And another thing that I encourage people to take a
Speaker 5: deep dive on is not to backtrack too far. I apologize,
Speaker 5: but I want you were Roland, and I wanted to
Speaker 5: let you go. But going back to Shiol, right, the
Speaker 5: company shell is like literally only one letter away from
Speaker 5: Shiol And I've been looking at their image for about
Speaker 5: a month now trying to decipher what it could be one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 5: Like what is the meaning of is it the sun?
Speaker 5: Is it? If you stare at it long enough, you
Speaker 5: can almost what is lucifer light? It almost looks like
Speaker 5: the Statue of Liberties, right, And it goes back to
Speaker 5: eighteen ninety seven, and the guys in charge of it
Speaker 5: were all part of the powers that be, the Rutch
Speaker 5: of the Royal Dutch family and things of that nature,
Speaker 5: and their center their headquarters is in the city of London.
Speaker 5: That one square Mondon square Miley. A lot of people
Speaker 5: don't know there's London and then there's the City of London.
Speaker 5: It has it's one square mile. That's where all the
Speaker 5: banks are. They have their own mayor. That's why bankers
Speaker 5: never get arrested. That's why nobody in DC ever gets arrested,
Speaker 5: because it's got it's its own entity, like Rome, like
Speaker 5: the Vatican, it's its own entity.
Speaker 1: Yep. The trilogy London, London, Propers, the the banks, Vaticans,
Speaker 1: the religion, and Washington d C is the muscle indeed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when they pointed out the fact that it
Speaker 1: was originally, uh, Washington d C was originally a diamond,
Speaker 1: half Maryland, half Virginia, the Virgin mary That's right. And
Speaker 1: when you look at my lunch break and you start
Speaker 1: looking at the buildings in d C, you know, I've
Speaker 1: only been there once, but the layout it was there,
Speaker 1: the fact that it's on the thirty third Meridian launch,
Speaker 1: you know, it's none of this stuff is by accident.
Speaker 5: So one thing, you know, when you talk about Revelations
Speaker 5: seventeen and they talk about the Seven Hills is often
Speaker 5: I guess equated with Rome. Right when they talk about
Speaker 5: the woman Babylon, the Great the Whord of Babylon.
Speaker 3: But Washington, d C. Was built on seven hills.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have Capitol Hill, Meridian Hill, Georgetown Heights, Tenleytown,
Speaker 5: Forest Hills, Hill East, and the Anacostia Heights, So that
Speaker 5: was built on seven hills as well. Not to mention
Speaker 5: the mockery of the Virgin mary with Virginia and Maryland
Speaker 5: with DC being between that too. Now now people will
Speaker 5: argue all America wasn't around when the Bible was written.
Speaker 5: So are you saying that God didn't have the contest
Speaker 5: context to see everything out right when the message was
Speaker 5: given to John the Elder to write this book.
Speaker 1: Well, and now other people are talking about that the
Speaker 1: United States with the Mississippy, with the seven tributaries, that's
Speaker 1: more biblical than the Nile in Egypt. It's something I
Speaker 1: haven't looked into. I just just saw it recently. But
Speaker 1: people are getting traction on this now, like when with
Speaker 1: the ninety percent of the Grand Canyon blocked off the
Speaker 1: exploration and people are saying there's caves with higher glyphs
Speaker 1: and there's a basically eroded pyramid and an eroded sphinx
Speaker 1: in the Grand Canyon and it's hard to think about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta I gotta do way more research
Speaker 1: on it. I can get wrapped my head around it.
Speaker 1: But if America was something other than what they're saying,
Speaker 1: why you know, that's it's worth looking into. Because you know,
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I thought the world
Speaker 1: was round, spinning through space. And yeah, that was one
Speaker 1: of those things that always bothered me when I was
Speaker 1: a kid too, because I grew up on a farm.
Speaker 1: I could climb twenty feet off the ground, up the
Speaker 1: side of a grain bin, look around and I could
Speaker 1: see for miles, and I'm like, I don't I just
Speaker 1: never understood the You drive from Minnesota to the Rocky
Speaker 1: Mountains and you can see them mountains for miles, and
Speaker 1: I always thought, well, the curvature of the earth thing
Speaker 1: just is weird. But I just never took the time
Speaker 1: to look at it. I feel, you know, like you said, shame.
Speaker 1: How can I be this old and I'm still figuring
Speaker 1: out things that should just be obvious? Or when I
Speaker 1: do use my senses, I don't trust them. Another interesting thing,
Speaker 1: did you know that I like, when you're being created
Speaker 1: in the womb, your brain and your guts basically are
Speaker 1: formed at the same time out of the same material.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that. Yeah, it explains a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hear of you know, you read the Bible
Speaker 1: and it says babbles of mercy and then people of
Speaker 1: gut instinct gut instincts. Yeah, yeah, and if you don't
Speaker 1: keep your guts healthy, the rest of your life goes bad. Anyway,
Speaker 1: idn'gure too many rabbit holes?
Speaker 3: No, they're never ending.
Speaker 5: And I think, pardon me, I think once you come
Speaker 5: upon flat Earth, it sends you into Bible deeper and
Speaker 5: into other you know, man made ones and something that's
Speaker 5: really been you know, clicking with me, especially when people
Speaker 5: start to talk about that listener a month or two
Speaker 5: ago about the you know, the Dark Ages from five
Speaker 5: hundred a D to fifteen hundred a D. And then
Speaker 5: you think about how the Roman Empire, how big it was,
Speaker 5: how massive it was during that you know, from you know,
Speaker 5: Jesus's time until I guess it started to die down
Speaker 5: a little bit around three twenty two. But if you
Speaker 5: think about it, and then things was like DC was
Speaker 5: actually called Rome Maryland right before that came. So what
Speaker 5: if they were here, well, I mean all of our
Speaker 5: buildings are what what what kind of architecture down there?
Speaker 1: The architecture you look at the world fare buildings. Shoot,
Speaker 1: that is a study my lunch break. He did one
Speaker 1: on the Minnesota Capital so that was weird. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so he did Minnesota. I tried to look up some
Speaker 1: history on finding the Minnesota Capitol building. I swear that
Speaker 1: I couldn't find much information on it. And two months
Speaker 1: later I decided to go look again. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's pictures and you know, he's talking about the AI
Speaker 1: writing stuff. And I've only dabbled in the AI. But man,
Speaker 1: you can I can punch up some parameters on AI
Speaker 1: and it'll rate me a short story in a minute.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: So and you can use the graphics software. And none
Speaker 1: of these pictures have people. They never show the interior.
Speaker 1: The There's like one picture has like a log train
Speaker 1: in the background, but only one. I'm like, where's the equipment,
Speaker 1: where's the people, where's the who's the The more you
Speaker 1: look into it is like this just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5: None of it makes sense, Like that the guys who
Speaker 5: founded Shell that they were Jewish Jews from Baghdad, Iraq. Okay,
Speaker 5: that that and what became such an important part of
Speaker 5: the world out of the blue in the eighties. Right,
Speaker 5: And these guys made their way from Baghdad to I forget,
Speaker 5: I guess England or the Netherlands in the seventeenth century,
Speaker 5: but they knew where to go back and get the oil.
Speaker 3: Right, it's just all of it. You know, this is
Speaker 3: how school should be run.
Speaker 5: Like our conversation for the last ninety minutes, if I mean,
Speaker 5: that would excite many children instead of sitting there and
Speaker 5: lecturing them about you know who was declared the good
Speaker 5: guys and bad guys breaking news. There's propaganda on every
Speaker 5: side in a war. There's victims in every war. There
Speaker 5: are war crimes committed in every war by both sides.
Speaker 5: And the bankers win every single.
Speaker 1: Time, every time, every time, the profit every time.
Speaker 5: Every time. We're nearing the end of our time. I
Speaker 5: would like to ask you two questions. Number one, I
Speaker 5: know you talked about a lot of them, but just
Speaker 5: kind of lay out your six silver bullets. And then
Speaker 5: number two, any stories of being able to share Biblical
Speaker 5: cosmology with others?
Speaker 1: Well, I would say six silver bullets just one of
Speaker 1: the obviously this scene too far. We talked about with
Speaker 1: the nikon p. Nine hundred and one thousand crazy videos,
Speaker 1: the fiber out the cables under the ocean. That one
Speaker 1: kind of sensed it for me, the sixteen emergency landings.
Speaker 1: It just makes sense on a flat earth map. The
Speaker 1: firmament Rakia got created the furmenment on the second day.
Speaker 1: It's pretty important. And then on day four he puts
Speaker 1: the sun and the moon in the firmament. You know,
Speaker 1: I taught that in church very often, if at all,
Speaker 1: Plaris doesn't move. The first time I saw the swastik
Speaker 1: being related to the Big Dipper in the four different seasons.
Speaker 1: And then when I visited the Corn Palace in mitchell
Speaker 1: And one year in nineteen seventeen, they actually had a
Speaker 1: swastik on the side and it's the only picture on
Speaker 1: that whole wall of all the corn his Corn Palace
Speaker 1: because they redo the outside of the Corn Palace every year,
Speaker 1: and the one in nineteen seventeen had to have little
Speaker 1: placard put on the bottom that said this was a
Speaker 1: Native American symbol of peace. They had to explain it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was shocking to me. And then gravity,
Speaker 1: I can't figure gravity out anymore. Three three body problem.
Speaker 1: Electromagnetic frequency. I guess that's been interesting. How do butterflies fly?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking electromagnetic frequency? How do bees fly? They got
Speaker 1: a hallow chamber in them and when their wings move
Speaker 1: it vibrates. And electromagnetic frequency, electromagnetic frequency and everything. I
Speaker 1: think these buildings they took out some kind of something
Speaker 1: with mercury. I haven't figured it all out, but they
Speaker 1: had mercury generators in these buildings. And all the bells
Speaker 1: are gone.
Speaker 3: All the belts. We just talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 5: If you go back and look, they said they did
Speaker 5: it and there was like three hundred and I apologize
Speaker 5: that this numbers is wrong, but I'm pretty sure the
Speaker 5: number in Europe was something like three hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 5: Bells were taking down these bells that were used to
Speaker 5: heal literally right, they were melted down and used as
Speaker 5: weapons during World War One.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Love to find some and then yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: but duning forks, I don't know if you yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. People that I've talked to most just give
Speaker 1: me the one I raised. One eyebrow raised, like what
Speaker 1: Some don't want to talk about it. Some will listen,
Speaker 1: like maybe they're thinking about I got a couple guys
Speaker 1: at work that are want to hear the podcast when
Speaker 1: it's done, so maybe that'll help. Some people just don't care,
Speaker 1: and I think, hey, you know, my point was like
Speaker 1: the whole when I was I got put on the
Speaker 1: church board right when COVID hit, and they said, where
Speaker 1: does it say in the Bible that you can't wear masks?
Speaker 1: And I said, doesn't say anything in there, But tenth
Speaker 1: grade biology tells me that a virus is not going
Speaker 1: to be stopped by a mask. And if that's a lie,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be endorsing a lie, right, And that's my
Speaker 1: problem with, well, what does it? What does flat earth matter? Well,
Speaker 1: come on, look at the lies. You can't endorse these lies.
Speaker 1: That's what bothers me. You know, you talk about truth
Speaker 1: seekers and I gotta be honest truth or net. I
Speaker 1: typed in truth or net. Oh no, I feelt really stupid.
Speaker 1: I didn't piece that together. I'm like truth or dude,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, the other one. It just bothers me
Speaker 1: that people don't care that they're being lied to you.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 5: People should be genuinely upset, and I actually on the
Speaker 5: fact on our podcast Tuesday night, I said, are we
Speaker 5: just going to go onto the next thing and forget
Speaker 5: about everything that was done to us during COVID? And
Speaker 5: again as Christians forgive? Yes, right, we were told to
Speaker 5: forgive and pray for enemies. However, the Bible does speak
Speaker 5: about accountability. Otherwise it's going to happen again. That's why
Speaker 5: the Bible talks about the millstone. If you harm children,
Speaker 5: you deserve the millstone. How many young adults died because
Speaker 5: of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that I don't know. If you've done any
Speaker 1: study on the radio wave sickness.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, if you look through history, every time there's a
Speaker 5: news type of radio wave, people got sick. And Wuhan
Speaker 5: introduced five G on November one, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, you're wearing a tinfoil heat and
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe there's some truth to that, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I bought the the the silver
Speaker 1: lion stocking cap, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: There you go keep the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I take my cell phone put it inside there and
Speaker 1: it goes to sos mode. I was watching the guy
Speaker 1: on Instagram and he was talking about nineteen seventies, the
Speaker 1: Naval Academy whatever in Maryland, thirty seven hundred studies on
Speaker 1: radio wave sickness. What rolled out at the same time
Speaker 1: COVID hit five G It's a lot to be you know,
Speaker 1: look at the symptoms between radio wave sickness and COVID.
Speaker 1: They're identical. Whatever, there's some truth there. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much I want to bring it up or endorse it,
Speaker 1: but that's my belief. Oh yeah, you know about one
Speaker 1: of the EMF blocking penance. I wear this thing all
Speaker 1: the time. Does it work? I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: a great placebo if anything?
Speaker 3: There you go. Where do you get yours from?
Speaker 1: I think it was a company called Shinko.
Speaker 3: Shinko, I have to check it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was thirty bucks. I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: spent thirty bucks on worse things in my life.
Speaker 3: Oh, look at this.
Speaker 5: Shinko has researched and developed thirty three vitro diagnostic regents
Speaker 5: and related medical devices. Maybe that's a different Shineko.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does it work? Does it not work?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: Oh, here it is. It is a different company.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm I'm all of you know, the radio wave
Speaker 1: sickness thing just rang a bell with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, well, and.
Speaker 1: How great is that? You know, we were talking about
Speaker 1: the dichotomy of argument, you know, hey, was it was it? Covid?
Speaker 1: Is is it? You know? What about the virus and
Speaker 1: mask or not? And they kept giving you a left
Speaker 1: and right paradigm? When how genius would that be if
Speaker 1: we're giving you left and right and really it's you know,
Speaker 1: here's AB. What if it's C that's never talked about,
Speaker 1: never brought up. We're gonna get you arguing A and
Speaker 1: B and we're gonna slide C over here, and that's
Speaker 1: the problem. It's genius, really.
Speaker 3: It truly is.
Speaker 5: And speaking of radio waves, there's an interesting kind of
Speaker 5: conspiracy that back in the seventies, the Car administration they
Speaker 5: banned lead paint.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and a lot of.
Speaker 5: People, you know, I thought it was because of health reasons,
Speaker 5: but it turns out it is it may be because
Speaker 5: radio waves and not being able to listen in on
Speaker 5: people because back the gangsters back in the day used
Speaker 5: to use lead paint all the time in their offices
Speaker 5: and stuff, so people couldn't listen in on them, and
Speaker 5: and now they well, all the children were eating the paint.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, yeah, the paint thousands, yeah, millions of kids.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, there's people are like, I got an
Speaker 1: older house. It's still got lath and plaster. They're like, yo,
Speaker 1: you should turn it out that lath and plaster. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would I do that? If anything, I
Speaker 1: would rebuild my house. And granted, there you go, there
Speaker 1: you go, Jory. I can't thank you enough for having
Speaker 1: me on today. I, like I said, I got nobody
Speaker 1: to talk to around here that believe you know, it
Speaker 1: was hard for me to chew on. So I don't
Speaker 1: expect there to be a bunch of people to talk to,
Speaker 1: but just to have a conversation today has truly been
Speaker 1: a blessing.
Speaker 5: Well, it's been an honor and a privilege to speak
Speaker 5: with you. We've touched on such a gambit of topics
Speaker 5: that I hope our listeners, you know, took something away
Speaker 5: from this and like everything else, if they lied about
Speaker 5: the shape of the earth, they can lie about everything.
Speaker 5: So don't just discount anything that we've talked about over
Speaker 5: the last ninety minutes. Also, don't take it at heart.
Speaker 5: Do research these things yourself and come to your own conclusions,
Speaker 5: and then feel free to reach out to me if
Speaker 5: you haven't come on yet, and share your your perspective
Speaker 5: with others, and together we can kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: bring more knowledge with each other, and certainly we'll come
Speaker 5: to a better conclusion that way than we do being
Speaker 5: told through the history books.
Speaker 3: So again, Frank, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: It was an honor and a privilege.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. I greatly enjoyed this. Thank
Speaker 1: you the good work. You're doing a good work, man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Brother, And keep us informed when you get your down
Speaker 5: the road, get your podcast up and running, or YouTube channel,
Speaker 5: whatever you decide, let us know and we'll be sure
Speaker 5: to let the listeners know. And it's all of you
Speaker 5: who continue to support this podcast. Thank you so much,
Speaker 5: God blessing each and every one of you. Keep your
Speaker 5: head on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 5: we will see you.
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