WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:29.839 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.200 The question why? 4 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:41.000 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 5 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:48.399 truth we find. They built their tails on grafts and 6 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:51.119 lives on theories. 7 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.119 They stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.240 --> 00:01:02.679 Put down here on this solid graph, the answer screen. 9 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:13.159 They're all around, rise and break through all. 10 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.760 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. 11 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:20.120 It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 12 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.640 I'm your host, as always, George Hobbs, coming to you 13 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.519 from the great state of Delaware. It's a hot one. 14 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.280 We're going to hit about ninety two degrees. I hope 15 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.000 this podcast finds you well. Our guest Frank is standing 16 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.079 by and we'll be joining us in just a moment. 17 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:35.920 Two quick notes before we get started. First, and foremost, 18 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.840 please do stop buy our website truthernet dot com. Feel 19 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.319 free to join our new social network. There lots of 20 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.280 joined great things going on there, and you have access 21 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.840 to both our podcasts number two and most importantly, if 22 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.640 you would like to join the podcast like Frank is 23 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.680 this morning, please send us an email and we'll get 24 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.640 you our questionnaire. It is f E Files guest at 25 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.840 That is fis and Frank he is an Echo Files 26 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.479 guest at gmail dot com. And we're looking for your 27 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.240 time zone and what times are good for you. We'd 28 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.520 love to get you scheduled right now, we're looking at August. 29 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.319 So you know, we've had over two hundred people come 30 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.599 on and share their story. We would love to hear yours. 31 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.439 And without any further ado, we're going to bring today's 32 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.000 a guest on. His name is Frank. He's joining us 33 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.479 from the great state of Minnesota. 34 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:29.120 Frank, good morning, sir. How are you. 35 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:33.199 I'm doing well, George. Thanks pleasure to be here. 36 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.800 It's great to have you. 37 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.680 And we've had honestly, I mean I can't camp, but 38 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:41.240 we've had at least five people minimum from Minnesota, maybe more, 39 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.439 and it's been all of them have been very, very 40 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:46.560 good guest. 41 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:47.719 So the pressure's on. Brother. 42 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.439 Hey, take a few moments and introduce yourself to the 43 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:51.319 audience if you would. 44 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:57.840 Okay, Well, name is Frank, born in raised, southwest Minnesota. 45 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:04.080 It's it's pretty flat here. I was raised Catholic, walked 46 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:08.639 away from any kind of religion when I went to college, 47 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.840 which is common. I found out that something like, over 48 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.840 seventy five percent of people lose their faith when they 49 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:21.240 go to college. It's interesting study there. But I ended 50 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.960 up drinking a lot in college, which put me in 51 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.560 a twelve step recovery program for about nine years. And 52 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:36.599 two thousand and four, I saw a commercial on TV 53 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.960 that said God gave you one book to read and 54 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.680 an entire lifetime to read it. And that was kind 55 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.840 of what started my whole journey in two thousand and 56 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.759 four was I couldn't argue with the logic. I was like, well, 57 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.759 if I got an entire lifetime to read this book 58 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.919 and if I read it, nothing happens, I can tell people, well, 59 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.080 at least I read the book. I read the Bible, 60 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:06.599 and I could stop the argument. And so I read it, 61 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:13.599 and yeah, things changed. My sister sent me some videos 62 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:18.839 of a creationist doctor Kent Hovind. I don't know if 63 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.120 you've heard of him. Yeah, okay, So I watched Kent 64 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:29.120 Hovine series and that was what started me down basically 65 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.240 the truth journey. I guess, I don't know what people 66 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:38.040 call it seekers, truth seekers, but I watched his videos 67 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:39.680 and when I was in college, we had spent a 68 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:44.079 week studying Grand Canyon and we had talked about all 69 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.759 the anomalies of Grand Canyon that didn't make sense, like 70 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.720 the Colorado River flows in at about a thousand feet 71 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.519 and where it flows out at seven thousand feet, and 72 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:01.560 doctor Hovine explained that the flood would have been there 73 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.360 and basically the western rim of Grand Canyon would have 74 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.560 been like a dam. The dam broke open, washed out, 75 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:16.240 and that's what created Grand Canyon. And the stuff that 76 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.560 we'd been studying for that week long class in a 77 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:26.040 college where we were talking about it instantly made sense 78 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.439 to me. It was like one of them lightning bolts. 79 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.519 The interesting thing about the class was the professors wouldn't 80 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:40.319 talk about creation, but I think they wanted to. There 81 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:44.600 was this huge battle going on with You could tell 82 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:49.160 that they were in fighting with the administration about it 83 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.399 because we got to the end of the class and 84 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.680 the professor said, there's one thing left we haven't discussed, 85 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.839 and everybody just kind of looked around. We were looking 86 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.000 at hl like we kind of beat this thing to death. 87 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.279 And one kid raised his hand and he he said 88 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.680 the flood of the Bible, and the professor said yes, 89 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.560 and then that was just it, like that was the 90 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:16.399 end of the class. And so when I was watching 91 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:21.079 Hovin and talk about the flood creating Grand Canyon, and 92 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.319 he talked about Mount Saint Helens kind of did that 93 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.879 thing where the lava floated down over the Tutal River 94 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.560 and that washed out overnight and made like a miniature 95 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:35.360 replica of Grand Canyon. It just instantly flooded back to 96 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.959 me flood of the Bible. And with his videos, I 97 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.319 started going down all the other rabbit holes that you 98 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.319 go down, and that's kind of that's what started my 99 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:57.920 truth journey last year. About February January February, I decided 100 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.199 it was time to get on Instagram. I'd never been 101 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.399 on it, and I'm like, well, I should figure out 102 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.040 what this Instagram is. And I started seeing these things 103 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.240 on flat Earth and you know, so two thousand and 104 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.480 four until twenty twenty four, I'd been looking into all 105 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.199 these conspiracy theories and none of them had ever brought 106 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:25.600 up flat earth or moon landing. And at first I 107 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:27.920 was like, these guys are crazy. I'm like, what's this 108 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.279 flat earth nonsense? And I just would, you know, scroll 109 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.879 past it? And then I was like, Okay. In two 110 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.319 thousand and four, I saw a commercial on TV that said, 111 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.399 God gave you one book to read, an entire lifetime 112 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.360 to read it. I thought I should apply this logic 113 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.240 to flat Earth. You know, if I look at it 114 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.319 and I research it and I come to the conclusion 115 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.720 that this is just wrong, then at least I can say, well, 116 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.759 I looked into it and I don't believe it. And 117 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:02.279 that's when I was you know, what was the first 118 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.319 thing that you know, you talk about your your six 119 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.519 bullet points. That the one first There was a couple 120 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.319 of the videos with the distance. You know, the guy 121 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.439 standing on the shore of Michigan. He looks out and 122 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:19.399 he can see Chicago, we can see the guys. Yeah, yeah, 123 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.680 them are crazy. But this other guy gets on there 124 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:27.079 and he shows the under ocean fiber optic cable map, 125 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:33.519 and none of the fiber optic cables go from southern 126 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:40.600 South America to Southern Africa or from Southern Africa to Australia. 127 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.600 And I just started looking at that and I was like, 128 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.720 you know, this guy's got a point. I was like, 129 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.360 I need to look into it. I can't just dismiss this. 130 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.159 This guy's got a point. So I think maybe about 131 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.840 June last summer, I was driving to suit Falls, which 132 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.960 is about an hour and a half to kill and 133 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.759 I'm like, on the way there, I'm just gonna see 134 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.879 if there's anything out there on flat Earth. And I'm 135 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.519 a Spotify user, so i just punched in flat earth. Boom, 136 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:12.799 there was your podcast. Hey, you brought up moon landing 137 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.399 and I was like, what are you talking about. I'm like, 138 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.799 what does the moon landing have to do with anything? 139 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:24.840 Like I'd never seen anything on it, and I'm like, wow, 140 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:29.159 the epic scale that I've been lied to, the amount 141 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:33.759 of things that I believed that are just not true. 142 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:41.200 I'm fifty three years old, and for four months, it 143 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:46.679 was till like August or September before I finally committed like, okay, 144 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.559 flat earth is a thing. I spent four months wobbling, 145 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.159 questioning my reality. I thought for a while, I'm like, 146 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.000 oh man, I'm coming unhinged. I don't understand what's going on. 147 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.000 So to me, it's interesting. I talk to other people 148 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.240 and they're like, well, what does it matter? And I 149 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.960 had to think about that for a while, and what 150 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:14.720 I guess what mattered to me. 151 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:16.840 Is that. 152 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:30.279 I based my religious faith in the Bible was based 153 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:36.120 on what I had learned about the creation apologetics arguments, 154 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.200 and in those arguments they use things like, Okay, the 155 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.519 Earth can't be more than a million years old because 156 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:48.559 the Moon leaves the Earth at a centimeter a year, 157 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.440 and you go back a million years and the moon 158 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.519 would be so close to the Earth that the tides 159 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.799 would just be washing over the continents and things like that, 160 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.200 and I'm like, I can't use them arguments anymore. So 161 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:06.519 it it shook the foundation of my faith, which is 162 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.840 why I think I was struggling so hard with it. 163 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.159 And then you bring it up with your fellow believers 164 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.639 at church, like, hey, I think the Earth is flat 165 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:23.799 and they're like, what, Like where'd you figure this one out? 166 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.559 And I'm like, no, it makes sense. You got to 167 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:30.200 look at this and that and this and that and yeah. Yeah. 168 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:35.159 So like in that four month period, my whole reality shifted, 169 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.039 and it was tough. It was tough to get my 170 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.399 feedback on the ground, which is weird now because a 171 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.679 year later, I can't, you know, I can't look at 172 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:43.559 it and not see it. 173 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:48.360 Yeah, and four months is incredible for me. 174 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:49.519 It was a couple of weeks. 175 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.720 But you know, I tend to think that the older 176 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.440 you are, the harder it hits you just because of 177 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.720 how long you've hold on. You've held on to certain beliefs. 178 00:11:59.159 --> 00:11:59.919 But I think. 179 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.039 Once that domino fell, like the veil completely fell from 180 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.440 my eyes, and I was able to see the world 181 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:14.840 for as it is, not as how we are told 182 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:19.600 it is. And you go back to trusting your senses. Right, 183 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.879 I do not feel the world's spinning. I see the 184 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:28.480 clouds gently floating above me. None of this makes sense. 185 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:34.000 And all the pseudoscience that they use to counter your argument, 186 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.960 which it's not an argument, it's just so simple, and 187 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:42.759 it's Okham's razor at its most basic. That even Tesla 188 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.360 had warned us one hundred years ago plus one hundred 189 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.279 plus years ago that science was being replaced by math. 190 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:56.000 And there is nothing that can lend to heliocentrism true science. 191 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:57.159 It's all numbers. 192 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.559 And if you go back actually over the last one 193 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.120 hundred years, you will see how many times the number 194 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:08.879 has been manipulated. Another thing that you mentioned that I 195 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.159 hear a lot of is young men and women that 196 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:17.639 go off to college, even being lifelong church members, you know, 197 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.240 getting away for the first time, right, being kind of 198 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.879 out on your own but being exposed to all of 199 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:32.480 these ideals that challenge your long held beliefs. Many professors, 200 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.039 and again I'm saying many, not all, but there are 201 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:40.399 many professors and peers who are in specifically the sciences. 202 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.200 In these you know, colleges, they question religious doctrines. And 203 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.360 when you're sitting in class and you're told about the 204 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:54.919 dinosaurs and the cavemen and evolution and those things indirectly, well, 205 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:58.159 they directly challenge what we're told in the Bible. And 206 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.879 then of course there's the social rushers and all the 207 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.440 other secular things that go along with it. And I've 208 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.600 seen anywhere from twenty percent within the first year to 209 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:14.799 sixty five percent by the time they graduate. How people 210 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.519 go in as followers of Christ and they may come 211 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.600 out not so much, just going back to the way 212 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.120 of the world and being focused solely on money. And 213 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:28.440 I get it. I remember being twenty and my focus 214 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.120 wasn't where it should be. And I know that's the 215 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.440 case for a lot of people. That's wisdom mostly comes 216 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.960 with older people because we've lived that experience, We've made 217 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:43.559 our mistakes, but that is something that parents and uh, 218 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.000 you know, the people behind the pulse it need to 219 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:47.840 be cognizant of and get fair warning. 220 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.600 Yep, you hit it there. Yeah, I was weird. I 221 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.480 was after college. I was working in a paul Ierthane 222 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:05.200 planned and the guy asked me said, are you a humanist? 223 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.720 And I was like, well, I didn't. I'd never heard 224 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.919 the word before. He's like, are you a humanist? I'm like, okay, 225 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.840 what does that mean? And he was He's like, well, 226 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.279 do you believe in the Big Bang and the urse 227 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.080 fourteen billion years old and we evolved and da da 228 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.159 da da da, you know, the whole story of evolution. 229 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.799 And I was like, yeah, I believe that. He goes, well, 230 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.679 then you're a humanist. And I was like, all right, 231 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.320 I'm a humanist to do you know, on to the 232 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.240 next thing. Just didn't even piece it together, you. 233 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:42.039 Know, yeah, sorry, we would help if I unmuted myself. 234 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:43.279 That's there. 235 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.559 You go, that's a rabbit hole in itself. 236 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:50.240 If you even go to Wikipedia, look up humanist or humanism, 237 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.399 and then you'll see that this was started by an 238 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:57.799 organization called the American Humanist Association. And then you just 239 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:02.480 have to do a little bit, maybe five seconds of scrolling, 240 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.960 and then you'll be like, oh, I see, because their 241 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:12.399 mantra is good without a God. And it's not a 242 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.360 coincidence that it started the same time the United States 243 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:22.639 entered the war. The nineteen forties and fifties really spiral 244 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.879 to change in this country that we've never recovered from. 245 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:31.559 And every time that there's been a type of great awakening, 246 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.679 like there was a huge one in the colonies in 247 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.519 the seventeen fifties, and then the Revolutionary War and all 248 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.519 that kind of snuffed that out. There was another huge 249 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.440 one that very few people talk about in the early 250 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.159 nineteen hundreds, and then World War One kicked off. So 251 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.159 it's all it's funny that every time there seems to 252 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.159 be an awakening, war snuffs it out. And here we 253 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:56.759 are in twenty twenty five post COVID, where you could 254 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.639 argue that there has been the greatest ship, the greatest 255 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.799 shift of people becoming awake, and once again we're on 256 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.559 the precipice of war. Is that going to overshadow everything 257 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.319 that we've come to, you know, awakened over the last 258 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:10.960 five years. 259 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:17.160 Yeah, it's interesting. I guess first, if you have you 260 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:22.200 ever heard of Paris Reidhead, He was a pastor back 261 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.519 and I watched I had these old sermon podcasts. I 262 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.160 can't remember the name of it now, but he did 263 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.839 a sermon called ten Shekels and a Shirt and it 264 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.920 was basically a sermon on judges and he talked about 265 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.279 you basically talked about humanism back in the fifties. So 266 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.599 it's one of the coolest sermons I've heard. So, as 267 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.119 a matter of fact, that's how I found it. I 268 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.160 just typed in the best sermon ever preached. Really, Ye, 269 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.400 you never get a chance Paris reidhead. That one's pretty cool. 270 00:17:55.480 --> 00:18:00.839 But it was a weird thing. What is that called 271 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:08.599 egalitarian versus complementarian? Have you ever you know? The argument? 272 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.440 It's having women. 273 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.720 Yeah, Galitarians believe that men and women are equal and 274 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.279 the complemarians believe that you know, I guess what they're 275 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.039 saying is obviously they both have distinct roles. 276 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.079 Yeah. So i'd never heard the term before, like two 277 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.160 years ago. So I was talking with a gentleman and 278 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:36.000 he's like, well, this is egalitarian versus complementarian, and I'm like, okay, 279 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:37.839 you gotta tell me what that means. I'm like, I 280 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.839 do not understand this. So I was at a prayer, 281 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.920 breakfast with some guys from church, and I said, why 282 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.400 do we do this? I said, why do we put 283 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.559 things in boxes? I said, why do you got to 284 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.799 be a or b? I said, we come up with 285 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:01.400 this argument egalitarian versus complementarian, and we fight left and right, 286 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.880 and we fight, and I get it. You know, sometimes 287 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:06.759 you want to put things in a box so you 288 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.839 can hold the argument in right, or I'm going to 289 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:12.680 put something in a box and put it on a 290 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:17.200 storage shelf. Well, when I put things in boxes, it's 291 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.240 harder to open a box than if it's just laying 292 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.119 on the table. So I looked at him and I said, 293 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.440 why do we do this? He says, well, it's called 294 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:31.160 defining the argument. I'm like, well that's great, but why 295 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:35.200 aren't we defining the argument as biblical versus non biblical? 296 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.559 So I think that would be a better argument instead 297 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:42.599 of creating these categories that if I mentioned it to 298 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.559 my coworkers, they're not going to know what I'm talking about. 299 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.440 You ever, hear of a book called Tragedy and Hope. 300 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:52.480 Yeah, sure, yeah. 301 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.640 Carol Quigley. He's got some interesting stuff in there, but 302 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.480 he talks about the two party system. Why do we 303 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.119 have a two party system, there's endless war and everything 304 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:06.400 goes back to banking. 305 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.000 Absolutely. That might be the top three scams in America. 306 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.160 It is to believe that, you know, looking down at 307 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.039 your child to tell them that they have a chance 308 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.359 to be president of the United States as zero chance. 309 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:24.200 Yeah right, and that's just the truth the president and 310 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.839 you don't want your child to be a servant to 311 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:26.680 the bankers anyway. 312 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:27.599 These people are evil. 313 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.880 Yeah, that's I mean, it is. I guess that was 314 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.039 where I went with my truth journey. Was one day 315 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.920 at work, I got this severe headache and I had 316 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:43.160 to go home. And I hardly ever went home from work, 317 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:44.799 but I was like, why do we get sick all 318 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.920 the time? And so I started with like two years 319 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:54.039 of just buying every health book I could find, Herbs, 320 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:59.480 essential oils ex or seven, bought anatomy charts. They get 321 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.200 too far to that, but I'd go to all these 322 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.319 health food stores and just pick up any book that 323 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:10.039 looked interesting, like vibrational healing and all this stuff. And 324 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.960 so I studied that and then I was like, you know, 325 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.759 I don't know anything about politics. So I just started 326 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:23.960 looking into politics and I thought if I go to 327 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:27.960 city council meetings. I can at least know something about 328 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.599 my local politics because I can't talk to my US 329 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.160 congress person. They ain't got the time of day for 330 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:42.039 me was two thousand and eight, the stimulus package. I 331 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.960 sent a letter to my federal congressman, don't vote for 332 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:50.200 this stimulus package. And I got a form letter back 333 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.960 that was rubber stamped, YEP, that said, oh, this would 334 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.000 be great for the economy, dude to do. We're going 335 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:58.920 to create two hundred and twenty five thousand jobs, and 336 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.759 this will be great for MENA and Da Da da DA, 337 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.160 and that guy is now governor. I don't know all 338 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.240 that happened, but so I took out a red pen 339 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.039 and I corrected it. I'm like, yeah, but what are 340 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.920 you paying them with. You're gonna create two hundred thousand 341 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.359 jobs where you're just gonna need more tax money when 342 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:20.000 this stimulus package runs out. Sent that back. I never 343 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.119 got nothing back, but I thought, you know, I should 344 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.200 go to local at least you know these guys in 345 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.000 my town. This town's only forty five hundred people, forty 346 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.960 seven hundred people. I'm like, I bump into these guys. 347 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.680 Time to time. So I'm like, I should know what's 348 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:38.000 going on in my community. So I went to my 349 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:43.160 first city council meeting and turned out that one of 350 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.319 the guys actually worked with and he said, you should 351 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:51.960 be on a board. And so they they uh talked 352 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.319 me into being on the housing and Redevelopment authority in town. 353 00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:00.759 So I did that for a decade. Uh yeah, oh eh. 354 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.599 So I don't know if you want an interesting thing 355 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.160 about that, but in my tone, you can do five 356 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:11.319 minutes of public presentation at the city council meeting once 357 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:11.759 a month. 358 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.880 Yeah, there's a lot of towns that will give you 359 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:20.319 five minutes, but I will tell you that it has 360 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.160 kind of become if you lean too far away from 361 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.559 their stance, they'll do their best to shut you down 362 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.119 or to interrupt you. I've seen many people who've gone 363 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.960 even there was a guy in Florida. I don't know 364 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.240 if you've ever seen this. I'm sure it was on Instagram. 365 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.960 The guy who went down there. He took us five 366 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.720 minutes one of those counties in Florida and made the 367 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.880 case about how NASA needs to be audited and how 368 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.640 are they justifying their seventy million dollars a day, and 369 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.119 about the two minute mark, they started to just call 370 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.519 him names and say it was nonsense. But I mean 371 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.559 he was speaking super intelligently and for a minute a 372 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.839 week or so, that video was viral on TikTok Instagram, 373 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:06.279 and I mean he was speaking intelligently, making quality points. 374 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.920 And I would think that any taxpayer would want to 375 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.480 know that, you know, the government is being fiscally responsible 376 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.200 with their money, that that is being taken out of 377 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.839 their paycheck every two weeks. But because again the powers 378 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.480 that be know how things work, They're like, oh, you're 379 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.319 wasting our time. They're serious matters here. He's like, really, 380 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.559 seventy million dollars a day is not a serious matter. 381 00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:37.880 So again, you know, I did the same thing on 382 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:43.400 several occasions in Delaware. They just passed the the assistant 383 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.400 suicide law here, and I get the compassion part of it, 384 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:51.519 but I watched Canada's made program turn into offering veterans 385 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:52.960 with PTSD. 386 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:54.519 Well, here, take this pill and kill yourself. You'll be 387 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.440 you'll be better. It's evil, and. 388 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.759 I just a couple of month months ago, I was 389 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.880 a palled. I was like, I'd never heard of it before. 390 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:06.119 I think a matter of fact, might have been on 391 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:07.640 your podcast it was brought up. 392 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.599 Yeah, I believe in the Netherlands, in Belgium, forgive me 393 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:19.039 if I'm wrong, for I can't remember if it's miners 394 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.160 or like for psychological for depression. I think you can 395 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.880 take assistant suicide for depression in Belgium, in the Netherlands 396 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.079 if you read, much of Europe and Canada already have 397 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:31.559 it and long. It's been in law for at least 398 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.400 a decade, and now there's twelve states in the United 399 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.720 States that allow it as well. And I've said, once 400 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.079 you open that can of worms, there's just no going back. 401 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:41.880