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Speaker 5: Our way, our anthropology is not derived by human psychology

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or you know, electirical.

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in prosology. And so there's no real way to diagnose

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man's problem and to understand man and man's anthropology.

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Speaker 6: The logos is the icon of Father, and man is

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the icon of God. We are the image of God.

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Speaker 4: And dire wave three, dire Wave three. The artists reflect

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the soul, the spirit. The architecture reflects the soul the spirit.

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Speaker 2: So therefore you can sleep. The degeneracy, can see the degradation.

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Speaker 5: And the loss of sets, the loss of the idea

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of it being harmony, order, symmetry. In esthetics, it's connected.

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Speaker 2: With the loss of a conference and philosoph think of yours.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just one second, I had to turn the music off.

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Speaker 2: Got you.

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Speaker 5: How are y'all doing?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Not bad? How are you jay?

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Speaker 5: It was a tough day, tough day. Sorry, that's okay.

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Speaker 6: Uh, well, it's been a while.

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Speaker 5: I got the book. I'm about fifty sixty pages in.

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guys for coming on. And I wanna tell everybody that

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I'm joined by the Collins Brothers. I hope you guys

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are doing good tonight. Everybody out there, be sure and

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hit the thumbs up and hit give us a share

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if you would, And we're going to be talking about

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their new book that they've just put out, invoking the

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Beyond the Contient Riff, Mythologized Menaces, and the Quest for

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the New Man. So if you guys want to, you

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want to give us a little bit of a background.

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I know it's been about five or six years since

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Speaker 2: What you guys have been up to.

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Speaker 6: Tell us what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, as you know, in two thousand and six,

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two thousand and six, we had released the updated, revised

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edition of the Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship and we

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decided that now was the you know that. Uh, shortly thereafter,

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really terrible. So I took it, scrapped it, and started

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rewriting and just uh we you know, every every year,

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this is the year. This is the year. And every

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year something new would come up with you know, with

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the research, we'd find something new to write on. Also,

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that the structure of the chapters just wasn't working, So

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which uh that are our research into that particular topic

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the name of Michael Corbyn. He was the talk show

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host of the nationally syndicated radio talk show known as

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a Closer Look, and unfortunately he passed away. What what

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Speaker 5: So to speak.

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Speaker 5: Is it better to get the book on Amazon or

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I Universe or where do I need to put the

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link for the best place to get it?

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especially since Amazons. As I know you probably are aware,

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you know, propisity for censorship, I'm not especially not especially enthusiast.

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printing costs. So fortunately there's also a kindle edition which

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you know, you don't have a lot of disposable income,

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you know, then you can always do the kindle or addition.

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you were talking about getting into wanting to write about

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the beyond, And of course you guys had written many

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the UFO deception. I think you know, it was one

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of the essays that you guys had written a long

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time ago alien smoke screen that really opened me up

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to the possibility of a military intelligence, deep state kind

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of background to what was really going on with a

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lot of this alien stuff. And then of course you

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book with the sizeable chapter, which I've read the most

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Darwinian origins of all of this stuff too. So how

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of the book up to where we're gonna go with Darwin?

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a national pastime. But the Kantian rift is an appellation

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to sign to the epistemalile disjunction between phenomenon, that is

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thing in itself. And forgive me if I'm re treading

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familiar ground with you, Jay, I know that you're more

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who of course lives from seventeen twenty four to eighteen

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zero four. Now clarity of definitions of very important and

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philosophical discussions. So for the edification of the audience, I'll

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the context of contient epistemology. In kantient terms, phenomenon refers

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to objects that are discerned through sense perception, which, on

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world in a manner that is potentially disproportionate with actual reality,

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perennially agnostic concerning the true nature of those objects portrayed

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by phenomena. Phenomena are, to put it in platonic terms,

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a considerable amount of terminological inexactitude. Schopenhauer actually took Kant

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typically discerned through intuitive reasoning. For example, Platonic ideas and

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of empirical observation so on count on, the humanities perception

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of the empirical world was restricted to just these untrustworthy representations.

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that remains is this alien world of appearances, and man

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epistemological barrier the Kantian rift. Now, with man's consignment to

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this epistemological prison, we see the confiscation of a piece

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of philosophical contraband, if you will, particularly derided by modernity,

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and that's metaphysics. The philosophical discipline of metaphysics, of course,

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concerns itself with the discernment of reality's ultimate nature and

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its structure. And of course this discipline is neutered if

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consposition of indefinite epistemic incertitude told Swag, after all, we

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can only discern the order and structure of reality. If

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our epistemic faculties are trustworthy, and according to cant they

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are not, so, reality just remains eternally unintelligible, and even

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greater ramifications follow from this indefinite epistemic incertitude. The cherished

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metaphysical certainties of the classical era, the soul, the transcendent order, God,

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all of those are relegated to the fog of agnosticism,

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and such a world would be inaccessible to an angel

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announcing salvation. In fact, no savior could ever redeem such

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a world or a sin from it. The slightest intimations

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of the transcend have been purged, and all that remains

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is terra incognita, a chaotic, imperceptible, impenetrable world. So ultimately,

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the cosmological optimism of Orthodox Christianity, and there also goes

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the harmonious cosmos of ancient Greek philosophy. But if this,

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this teleological world rendered by the kantem Rift, sounds familiar,

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it's because it echoes the cosmological sentiments of an ancient

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heresy that was almost ubiquitous in Jerusalem after the destruction

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of the Temple in AD seventy. Now, many scholars argue

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that this heresy was probably it probably originated prior to

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the Temple's destruction, but nevertheless, its influence was almost certainly

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strengthened by the pervasive despair that was engendered by the

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destruction of the Temple. It was a very catastrophic event

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left a lot of people traumatized. After all, the Temple's

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fall intimated the ostensible failure of Jewish apocalypticism and the

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nullification of God's covenant with his chosen people. So if

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God's promises no longer hold sway, then there's good reason

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to doubt his involvement with the creative order. And of course,

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the world that's ontically divorced from the Creator invariably dis

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sins and succumbs to cosmological pessimism. And that's sort of

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cosmological pessimism we see endemic to gnosticism, which challenged the

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early Christian Church. Now I realized that an examination of

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gnosticism may seem tangential, but it actually will prove to

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this exploration of the beyond. I'm just going to offer

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examinations offered in our book. To be honest with you,

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that's one of the concerns I have with the book,

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because there's this very extended examination of gnosissism, and I'm

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afraid that some readers might say, well, well, that's the point. Well,

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it becomes it becomes more pertinent when we consider the

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formative ethos within which cons ideas will formed emulated the Gnosticism. Basically,

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being whose existence resulted from the statisation of another supra

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cosmic deities parent desires, and that's Sophia, of course. And

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of moral orientation. Evil for the Gnostic was viewed not

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as a tendency of the will from within man, but

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as an actual animated essence that was interwoven into creation.

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The curse and creation were ontologically inseparable. And this understanding

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of corruption contrasted very sharply with the ancient Church Fathers.

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being and as such no place among the existent. While

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its effects are painfully real, evil is not real in

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and of itself. Evil basically can be analogized to cold.

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Cold does not possess a positive ontological status. There's not

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some concrete thing in the world called cold. Rather, it's

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only a condition. It's a condition precipitated by the absence

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of heat. Cold exists only as a privation of fourth

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and that's not That's not to say that cold is illusory.

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We know that cold is very much real, as is

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evidenced by well one word for you, Texas. But if

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we look at texts right now, we look at you know, failure,

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at their paragrid we see the effects of cold are

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quite real, but it's it's effects are real. But as

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is you know, as as is evidenced by cold induced

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medical emergencies like hypothermia and what have you. But cold

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itself does not exist as a tangible reality, and likewise,

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evil itself does not exist as a tangible reality. Instead,

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it's it affects tangible reality through the intangible will, which

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it affects through a privation of good. So evil's point

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of origin is the intangible will with the tangible you know,

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not the tangible world. Saint Maximus, the Saint Maximus is

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the confessor who he puts it probably the best I

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think he's He puts it in my favorite terms among

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the church fathers. He calls it a evil, a perfect nothing.

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So evil is this perfect not nothing? Since evil well

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is a perfect nothing. The will that adopts evil's existential

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trajectory inexhiberbly migrates back towards nothing. In this sense, evil

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just represents an inversion of creatio ex nahilo or cratium

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from nothing. You see that Saint Athanasius writes about this

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on in the On the Incarnation, where God created everything

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out of nothing, Evil returns everything to nothing, and those

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who align their wills with evil migrate towards the oblivion

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of non existence. And in this sense, evil is actually

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just this self imlating impulse of a disordered will. It's

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a consuming nothing, reducing the elemental constituents of creation to nothing,

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to non existence. Contrary to you know what, John Carpenter,

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what have you believe? In Prince of Darkness? Evil's not

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this swirling vat of listing that spits itself into.

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Speaker 5: People a pleasant set that a spoiling as green who

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it is evil.

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Speaker 2: Evil and animated substances. Yeah, so, you know. So, basically

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conflate error with the creative order is to just necessarily

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associate corruption with the author of the created order. And

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so we have That's why we have the musopheism there,

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and error and falsity become the author himself. From the

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Gnostic advantage point, the creator of the visible physical cosmos

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must have been an error. And the creator was not

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only an error, he was the error itself. He becomes

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not just the originator of error, he's the mistake. And

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any theology that really follows from that belief must either

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condemn or exonerate God, and the Gnostics chose to do both.

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rejection of his office of creator. They believe that the real,

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true God would have created nothing. God the Father had

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to be completely disassociated from creation, and this radical disassociation

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basically until divesting the true God of the office of creator.

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Agnostissism basically divorced God from creation by just positing these

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ridiculously elaborate cosmologies. You see these cosmologies all over pop

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culture nowadays. Neil Gaimon, Neil Gaimon, in a lot of

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his work he has he posits similar cosmologies where you

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have just this endless pantheon of lesser deities and rigidly

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tail you know, tiered heavenly locales. But these cosmologies not

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only did they render the you know, the one true

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God in the Gnostics belief, uh, absolutely trans mundane, and

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that also camouflaged these antagonistic dualisms that they advanced, which

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the early Church would have considered, uh, would have considered untenable. Yeah. Yeah.

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But the the cosmological divorce uh that we see taking place,

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it leaves man and nature in a state of absolute autonomy.

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So this is and this is where we start to

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see uh, contine philosophy come into view, because neither nature

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nor man must comply with a divine law, because the

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high God is isolated from creation and he can only

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be known through secret occult you know knowledge, gnosis, Uh,

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the legitimacy of which is entirely self referential. And I

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have no sis. Why because I'm enlightened? Well why are

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you enlightened?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 7: I have no sis.

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Speaker 2: And I mean you see kind of the self contradictory

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nature of these claims, like, for instance, the Gnostics reference

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to the flipbook book. The flickbook they believed to be

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the evidence of the fact that reality was simula crim

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They believe, you know, they had these old flip flickbooks,

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which you know, would simulate animate motion, kind of much

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the way you know people make cartoons, and they believed

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because these flip books could simulate motion, they believed that

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that was evidence of the fact that reality was somehow

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a simulacram. The problem is is that you're positing the

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inauthenticity of reality on the basis of an object in reality,

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you know. So we see, we see, yeah, we see

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the true contradictory nature of those claims. But nature need

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not conform to it on you know, the nastic view

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to any law but its own. It's it's not a

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tangible attestation to the court of God, as Saint Paul

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rises in the Book of Romans. It's just as ontologically.

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Go ahead, sure, yeah, no, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Can we can we talk about so you've laid out

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that the rift between right, the the knowing, the object

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and the mind, there's a there's a divide that puts there,

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and of course it's a version of rehashed version of

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the ancient gnostic mistake. And but but you do have

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a lot of chapters early on that that harken back

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to some of the old material that you guys had

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done that I read many years ago, where you connected

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the lodge and this full blas feed as well. Kind

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of after the Enlightenment, you get this period of the

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spread of the Goddess of reason and rationalism and the

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very the Bavarian Illuminadi, and then we get to the

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royal society and the lodges of freemasonry. So how can

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we how can you kind of trace that ideological map

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there from Enlightenment and Kant's rift to royal society and freemasonry.

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Speaker 2: Sure well with with Emmanual Kants, you know, epistemological disjunction,

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the pistemological just junction of the Kantian rift, we have

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the banishment of metaphysics, at least metaphysics and its traditional regulation,

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and of course this dysteleological portrait of the world. Well, this,

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this teleology subsequently contaminated science before before, before you know,

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Emmanuel Kant and the likes of Sir Francis Bacon, science

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was this quasi spiritual contemplation of intrinsic purposes. The discipline

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of science actually initially presupposed the intelligibility of the cosmos.

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And you know, of course that that's a well founded

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presupposition to hold, because if the cosmos were not intelligible,

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then the scientist's efforts would be to understand the cosmos

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would be futile. But theoretician Francis Bacon, who was a

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member of a secret society known as the Order of

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the Helmet, and it was called the Order of the

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Helmet because the helmet was a reference to the helmet

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worn by the goddess Palosithene, which was the goddess of wisdom.

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And so we see there with that, with the veneration

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of that goddess, this kind of tacit autotheism, where it's

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the elevation of reason to this this virtually deific status.

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But he believed that nature could be forced to reveal

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her secrets up through systematic excasion, and he believed that

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this could happen once teleology was rejected. So he basically

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endeavored to expunge teleology from scientific scientific uh, you know,

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scientific inquiries and yeah, and so the problem is is

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that with metaphysics, the relationship with metaphysics is very important

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because metaphysics is prior to science. If you hold a

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very errant metaphysical proposition, that typically presages science going awry

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and science scientific data once it's the coupled from a

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legitimate metaphysical framework. Ideological biases have carte Blanche and Bacon. Bacon.

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He had ideological biases of his own, as is evidenced

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by his pedigree with his membership and you know, an

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esoteric speaker society, gnosticism and her meticism in other schools.

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He for him, really his ideological bias was a will

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to power, libido dominandi, a lust to dominate. And so

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with him he insisted that all the study of purpose,

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the purposes of things that should be confined to theology,

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which was diminishing in terms of tenability. And he believed

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that the sole purpose of science was the mastery of matter,

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this cynical mastery of matter. And you see with the

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British Royal Society, you see the Baconian school in full bloom.

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And of course the British the British Royal Society was

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you know, founded by Freemasons, and it was it was

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thanks to the efforts of the British Royal Society that uh,

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certain schools of thought such as Darwinism and Malthusianism were promulgated.

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For instance, the ex Club, which is characterized by Adrian

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Desmond and James Moore as as an invisible Masonic UH,

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an invisible Masonic UH, you know, Darwinian lodge within the UH,

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within the Royal Society. And that's his their characterization, not mine.

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So that so you know, call me conspiracy theorists. That's

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what they say that they managed to suppres all revelations

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concerning the scandal, the the the phibious ake a lie

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which really turned out just being an inanimate uh and

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inanimate uh piece of gypsum. But they believe that it

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represents mm hmm, yeah that and but but it was important,

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it was important for them to to to uphold the

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legitimacy of of that particular you know, that particular uh belief,

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the confidence and the thephibious hake a lie because they

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they believed that it represented the segua from inorganic material

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to life and so and that that that in turn,

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that in turn, uh legitimizes the metaphysical claim of self creation,

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which also affirms the sterior logical c of self salvation,

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which is gnostic. And so they had a vested interest

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in advancing that because that that basically upholds uphalled their

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autotheistic belief that man was in tauto God. And so

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we see, but we see how concept set the stage

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for that by abolishing metaphysics and gives it gives rise

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to this new cynical uh more cynical view of science.

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Science becomes science becomes basically just a means by which

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matter can be cynically manipulated. And and you know, basically, uh,

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you sculpted into whatever form uh the ruined elite wished

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to to sculpt it into. And and following from that

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we also see the anthroplile assumption that man is taboo raza,

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that he's a blink tablet. And so humanity can be resculpted,

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and as humanity has resculpted through means such as eugenics,

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which of course arose from Darwinism and social Darwinism, through

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the proper configuration of society according to whatever utopian blueprint,

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you know, whatever the utopian blueprints that they happen to

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hold a loft at the time, man can be gradually

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transfigured and be apotheosized. And this we see with this

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a just a hideous parody of the orthodox belief and theosis,

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which holds that, you know, man can be demonised, but

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man is devionised through energies, not through essences. Man. Man

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is not devionized on the essential level. There remain ontological

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distinctions between humanity and God. But that this is the

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project that the elite have been working towards. This is

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and that's that that's why it's in the subtitle of

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the book, the subtitle of course well being good quest

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for the new Man. That is what they have in mind,

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and that's why the elite have invoked the beyond. The

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beyond is basically a surrogate for divinity, since the metaphysical

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certainties of the classical era have been abolished now including

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the transcendent order in God. Now they now they have

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this terra incognita that they can populate with new gods

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and with new myths. And we see the invocation of

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the beyond. We we we UH, we basically examine it

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for forms, if I believe for we we examine it

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as invoked as the wrathful Earth Goddess, which we see

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with you know, the Green movement, radical environmentalism, and of

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course the wrathful Earth Goddess legitimized through the emulgation of Darwinism.

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But UH, the wrathful Earth Goddess demands recompense of humanity

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in the form of technological apartheid in population control. We

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examine it invoked as AI and technological singularity, where man

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basically abolishes himself and UH maybe becomes uh, divests himself

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of his biological the biological man and becomes you know,

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the transhuman uh, the transhuman oak ubermine. We UH examined

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the invocation of the beyond in the form of UH

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the uh uh of course super the super weapon, which

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the super weapon. Of course, it assumed several forms in

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UH fiction. You know, it was beam weapons, it was

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poisonous gases, it was, but the tangible form that has assumed,

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of course, was the atomic bomb. That was uh Leo Zillard,

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who was inspired by a modern myth that was promulgated

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by none other than H. G. Wells, who wrote the

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book The World Set Free. And with the super weapon

467
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:46,800
we see the we see the mythic archetype of Prometheus,

468
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:53,960
or more specifically Promethean fire. Of course Oppenheimer Oppenheimer. Pop

469
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,599
culture has likened Oppenheimer to a modern Prometheus, and this

470
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,239
this Promethean fire that he bequests the man. It becomes

471
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:12,000
a desirable and readily attainable deific force for mankind, and

472
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:19,159
the nuclear bomb becomes pretty much this Messiah. Richard Stanley,

473
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,679
of course, the avant garde filmmaker, characterizes it as such.

474
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:29,440
In an interview in Keinocasi magazine. He basically likens the

475
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Adam bomb to a gnostic messiah because it basically divests

476
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,119
us of corruptible matter and reduces everything back to light.

477
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,880
And then the last invocation of the beyond is, of course,

478
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:54,199
extraterrestrial gods, which basically are just gnostically reinterpreted angels and

479
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,039
demons and other heavenly beings. The most significant of which

480
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:04,760
being God. And in all of these instances we see

481
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,679
we see with this invocation of the beyond an attempt

482
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,599
to bring the new Man into being, because each one

483
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,320
is underpinned by a tacit autotheism, in particular with the

484
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:23,639
extraterrestrial gods. The assumption being that because the evolutionary process

485
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,960
the tree of life as Darwin called it, you know,

486
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,000
which he is, of course the term he borrowed from

487
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:36,400
Biblical Christianity, but he distorts it. If it's ubiquitous in

488
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,760
its branches, branch out through all of the physical cosmos,

489
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:43,559
then it stands to reason that the same evolutionary processes

490
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:48,199
that gave rise to man have also basically touched the

491
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,159
primordial soups of other worlds and given rise to other

492
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,599
other beings, other you know, alien beings who we have

493
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,480
interpreted as gods and who we through the same biological processes,

494
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,320
may attain a deific status. But that's that's basically. Those

495
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,199
are the four manifestations or invocations of the beyond that

496
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,360
we uh that we touch upon in the book, and

497
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,760
that's how the content Riff gets rise to the beyond

498
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,760
by rendering reality aara incognita that can be populated with

499
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,480
these manifestations.

500
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: Beyond let's get to the the UFO alien style. This

501
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,360
was where I really started digging in deep in the

502
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,639
book because it just so happened that when you guys

503
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:44,480
sent this, I was covering with Jamie a lot of

504
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:50,079
the alien movies. And you note the chapter you started

505
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,159
off with it being a new faith right the extraterrestrial gods.

506
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:57,519
And there's a great quote there from Dean Kots of

507
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,599
all people talking about it being in you know, countless

508
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,199
movies TV shows. Why is that?

509
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: Why is space.

510
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,679
Speaker 5: Religion and the alien gods so useful to the establishment.

511
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,960
Why do you think they've chosen To me, it looks

512
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,280
like they've chosen this to really try to bring in stuff.

513
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: Well, those who study UFOs as a terrestrial based will

514
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,280
most always recognize one thing, and that's the UPHO deception

515
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,960
campaign that we see going on is characterized by function stacking.

516
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,440
Function stacking is this. It's a term that appears to

517
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:41,960
have been coined by the permaculture community, but it has

518
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,519
application when you're looking at UFOs, and it has been

519
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:51,559
defined as as an element in an operation that serves

520
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:57,199
multiple functions, and with UFOs do just that they serve

521
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,119
multiple functions for the elite or the all the cards

522
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,280
and all. There are three functions that we looked into.

523
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:08,719
Number one, they conceal the test of experimental aircraft and

524
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,880
other covert technologies. Most people know that one, right, it's

525
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,280
you know, fairly common knowledge that that's that's used as

526
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,639
a cover for experimentation of R and D, of of

527
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,199
advanced R and D. Number two, they helped conceal criminal

528
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:33,119
intelligence operations such as drug trafficking, gun running, even sexual entapment,

529
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:38,840
and blackmail rings and all. Look at like that Bob

530
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,639
Lazaar he got caught for panduring you know after after

531
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,639
Area fifty one, and the woman that he was working with,

532
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,599
miss Bullock, who headed the brothel and all had ties

533
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:55,599
to Las Vegas Police, to the FBI. And his part

534
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:00,719
of that operation was the filming of life since plates,

535
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,880
you know, all of cars that were of the visitors

536
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,159
to the profitl and all. So there's actually, yes, there

537
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,280
is actually a tie between uful, sexual entrapment, black memories.

538
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,159
It's it's actually there and all not just not just

539
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,280
uh not just anal probes and fields uh yeah, uh

540
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:29,519
probing of a difference, Yeah, tied to uh tied to aliens,

541
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,679
regime change. All these things are tied to UH are

542
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,719
tied to are tied to the euphu phenomenon. The uphul

543
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,239
phenomenon has been has been used to conceal these criminal activities.

544
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,639
It leads researchers down evidentiary cul de sacts and also

545
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,400
they find themselves going around in circles without ever finding

546
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:55,760
the true meaning behind the UFO incidents in question and all,

547
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,760
but most significantly number three is is that the advanced

548
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:07,039
social engineering and radical reconfiguration of civilization. Most, if not all,

549
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,639
of UFO deceptions serve that third function. They may have

550
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,960
been concocted to serve one of the first two or both,

551
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,800
but they eventually are employed to condition humanity to make

552
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:26,800
a radical break from the past. Social engineering involving UFOs

553
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,119
appears to have become extremely significant in the late nineteen forties.

554
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,079
It may have been it may have very well taken

555
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:39,320
place in years prior, but the final years of nineteen

556
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,480
forties seemed to be when it became most prominent. At

557
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,280
that time, a prior incarnation of the Beyond the super

558
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,079
weapon appears to have begun to act as kind of

559
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,920
a midwife for the UFO men in infestation of the

560
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,079
beyond and in the book we support this contention with

561
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,920
a passage found in the appendix to a nineteen forty

562
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,760
nine report, replaced report that was released by Projects Signed.

563
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,119
Project Sign was this official government study on the subject

564
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:14,920
of UFOs that was conducted by the United States Air Force,

565
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,440
And in the appendix to Project Sign the Project Signed report,

566
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,840
there was a letter from doctor James lip and Lipp

567
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,199
was He was an aeronautical engineer and a department head

568
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,320
at the Rand Corporation, an American nonprofit global policy think tank.

569
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,480
The Rand Corporation was the epicenter for a lot of

570
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,159
very radical ideas report regarding nuclear exchange and nuclear war.

571
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:49,719
For instance, in nineteen sixty three, the Rand Corporation produced

572
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,719
a report that would serve as the foundation for Secretary

573
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,920
Defense Robert McNamara's policy of mutually Assured Destruction or MAD.

574
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,199
MAD would go on to become kind of a national

575
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,800
security centerpiece during the Cold War. It held that in

576
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,360
a nuclear exchange, both the aggressor and the defender would

577
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,119
end up being destroyed. So MAD is widely considered to

578
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:19,119
be the theory of deterrence put into practice. But like

579
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,039
many other Cold War policies. MAD was characterized by function stacking.

580
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,239
So while it did in fact discourage both major superpowers

581
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,079
from entertaining the notion of a nuclear exchange, it also

582
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:41,199
allowed the global aligarchical global establishment to universally impose what

583
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:46,880
we term to be nuclear anxiety and nuclear anxiety best

584
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,960
way to define it is a kind of pervasive and

585
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:56,000
obsessive fear of nuclear extinction. And once the global aligarchical

586
00:54:56,119 --> 00:55:02,400
establishment induced this nuclear fever dream, an extended period of

587
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:07,880
nuclear extortion took place. Sometimes nuclear extortion could could even

588
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,239
be found in cultural artifacts. One of the most humorous

589
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,480
examples would be Grease Too in nineteen eighty two. The

590
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,079
nineteen eighty two sequel to the hit smash musical Grease

591
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:26,039
into the Tee Birds, named Lewis takes his girlfriend Sharon

592
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:30,119
to a fallout shelter and he fakes a nuclear attack

593
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,679
and then attempts to convince her to lose her virginity

594
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,840
to him in order to repopulate the nation, and this

595
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,480
results in the musical number Let's do it for our Country,

596
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,280
and of course do it is a reference to the

597
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,920
Humpty Dance. So but nuclear extortion was very much real,

598
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,039
and it was employed to advance advanced agendas that were

599
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,320
much more sinister than Lewis's design to satisfy his sexual retardation.

600
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,960
It was used to condition the world's population to embrace

601
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,199
alternatives to nuclear extinction that were devised by the global

602
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,519
archical establishment. Better than yeah, better red than dead. This

603
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,320
included a model of world management that possessed very little

604
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,440
of the democratic spirit. So this connection of ran to

605
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:31,320
projects sign indicates that the nuclear fetishist that cultural history H.

606
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:35,239
Franklin referred to as the cult of the super weapon,

607
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,400
that they were endeavoring to breathe life into a new

608
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,440
incarnation of the beyond. Lips letter demonstrates that he was

609
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,159
clearly a skeptic regarding the UFO question. He pointed out

610
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,159
that many of the UFO reports in nineteen forty seven

611
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,760
and in nineteen forty eight really didn't conform to the

612
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:03,400
requirements of interplanetary travel. He then, however, goes on to

613
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:09,440
provide the foundation for the exploitation of belief and interplanetary travelers.

614
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,000
The foundation is found in one of the theories he advances.

615
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,639
Lip contents that there might be a causal relationship between

616
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:24,599
atomic bomb tests and the appearances of UFOs. We threw

617
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:29,480
them there. Yeah. Lip asserted that if they're real, interplanetary

618
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:35,159
travelers came from came to our solar system, and were

619
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:41,000
drawn to Earth by the detonation of nuclear devices. Lip's

620
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:48,760
theory included marshing telescopes visually detecting a bomb explosions at Alma, Gofordo,

621
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:54,559
and Hiroshima. Lipped In seemed to describe to subscribe to

622
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:56,760
his own theory. As a matter of fact, he points

623
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,280
out many of the deficiencies to his theory in his letter.

624
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:07,599
He put quite simply believed that Martians would find observing

625
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:11,239
Earth for a long period of time to be a

626
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,440
very mundane exercise. It would have just gotten boring. All

627
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:21,079
of that aside, Lip had either intentionally unintentionally contributed to

628
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:25,480
a narrative that would be used to manipulate the UFO

629
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:30,199
community for years and years to come. It was also

630
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,320
used to deceive the public, generally speaking, Social engineers within

631
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,639
the deep State introduced to the public imagination the notion

632
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:45,000
that interplanetary travelers had detected our nuclear activities and they

633
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:50,840
were now visiting Earth with both benign and sinister intentions,

634
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,000
depending on which extraterrestrial race. You were discussing. Yeah, you

635
00:58:55,159 --> 00:59:04,119
find that there's two narrative paradigms. I believe Upton the

636
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,119
perennial traditionalists. Yeah, yeah, he did. He discusses this in

637
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,760
his book Vectors of the Counter Initiation. A few other

638
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,480
researchers have brought this up too, is that the myth

639
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,079
of the of extraterrestrial gods, it uses it usually assumes

640
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:30,559
two uh, two ostensibly different, uh, paradigmatic characters. On one hand,

641
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,360
the aliens are benign, they're basically gnostically reinterpreted angels who

642
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,639
find this and uh for instance, uh uh Steven Spielsberg's

643
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,280
Close Encounters of the Third Kind as as one of

644
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:50,599
as Richard Dreyfuss is being prepared to be hoisted into

645
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:56,440
the clouds and abandon his family because lord knows, you know,

646
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:02,159
aliens and the discovery of yeah, yeah, they're worth it. Man.

647
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,079
He basically turns to his family and says, screw you guys,

648
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,920
I'm going you know with yeah later, I'm going with

649
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,960
the aliens. But as they're preparing him that, there's the

650
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,079
inclusion of a Bible verse, which of course is being

651
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:23,199
situated in a very different context where wherein it says

652
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,400
he shall give his angels charge over thee and we

653
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,559
see this angelic depiction of angels all of a sudden,

654
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:34,239
or angelic depiction of aliens. So all of a sudden,

655
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,480
aliens become angels. So we have this transposition of the

656
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:45,039
Esketon into the into space, into the vacuum, but the

657
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,320
vacuum that separates celestial bodies. All of a sudden, this

658
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:53,880
vacuum becomes the Esketon. It becomes the place where the

659
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,639
questions of life and death, the questions of eternity are

660
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,840
are resolved for us. And then then on the other hand,

661
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,199
apart from you know, from on the other extreme polarity,

662
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:08,920
apart from Steven Spielsberg's close encounters, you have hg Wells

663
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,400
for the worlds where the aliens are now here to

664
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:17,280
exterminate us, to destroy us. And so you have again

665
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:22,480
this gnostic redefinition of aliens as demons. And then in

666
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:26,239
the treatment to the sequel to the e T Yeah, yes,

667
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,440
both yeah, And you have both in the treatment and

668
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:33,960
the original the script that was supposed to be the

669
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:37,679
sequel to et that never was made because I would

670
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,840
have terrified the living hell out of audiences would have

671
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,719
ruined ET for an entire generation. And I think it

672
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,840
was called Nocturnal Fear, Nocturnal Fear, nocturnal. I don't call

673
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,159
the name of it, but yeah, it's in the book

674
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:55,920
and you can look it up online too. Basically, you

675
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:00,880
have this this counterpart Race to Eat Tease Race showing

676
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,159
up and they're the They look like ET, but they're albino,

677
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,400
and Steven Spielsberg makes it abundantly clear they're evil because

678
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,800
in the script he writes it in all caps, these

679
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,360
aliens are evil, and they show up and they torture

680
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,719
Elliot and his siblings, and they're only there. The Elliot

681
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,400
and his siblings are only rescued at the end when

682
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,880
Et makes a cameo and rescues rescues them like the Messiah,

683
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:33,679
which of course ET is meant to be a cry

684
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,360
a Christ archetype or an exo theological Christ. You see

685
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,679
these two separate narrative paradigms where we have either angelica,

686
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,679
angelic aliens or demonic aliens, and that of course is

687
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,440
just this gnostic transposition or neo gnostic transposition of the

688
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:57,920
Esketon into the vacuums, separating celestial bodies known as space.

689
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,119
And either way, what's most important is that you get

690
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:04,599
the crisis that comes with the introduction of the beyond. Right,

691
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,480
if you have benign aliens, then you have the crisis

692
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:14,440
of diplomacy where where no one nation can can satisfactorily

693
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,679
represent mankind. And so if you don't have some kind

694
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:20,400
of unification, there's going to be a breakdown in communication

695
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,119
with the at Stan Friedman, the deceased, he was an astrophysicist,

696
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,400
wasn't he well, he was, he was a He was

697
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:34,360
a major voice in the in the euphological field, the

698
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,280
uphological field he as he used to put it, who

699
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,760
speaks for Earth Argentina?

700
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:39,159
Speaker 1: You know.

701
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,519
Speaker 2: So it basically basically creates this crisis where man, where

702
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national governments are ontologically and epistemologically overwhelmed, and there we

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require this supernational body now to speak on behalf of Earth.

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So we have to amalgamate all the nation states, all

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01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,920
these disparate tribes of man a tee into a single,

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you know, one world government. And the second crisis comes

707
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,840
with with the more sinister variety of aliens to hostile aliens,

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01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,239
a crisis of security and all no one nation can

709
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,119
provide adequate security for the whole planet against these against

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these aliens. And it so basically we're too We're we're

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moving into the realm of Independence Day where you have

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01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,719
this Bill Pullman stands there and he says, the Independence

713
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,639
Day is no longer an American Soliday to be a

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,519
unified military response to the aliens in order to vest

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01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,519
their superior technologies and all but the hands of the

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01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:50,760
social engineers could be detected. Almost immediately following Project sign

717
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:57,039
as the UFO Contact D phenomena began to emerge, nuclear

718
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:01,880
anxiety was very much a comm and thematic thread running

719
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,360
through the accounts of contact tactees. According to the contactees

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of the fifties, the aliens had come to warn us

721
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:15,719
that we needed to cease our nuclear tests. The atomic tests,

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the aliens said, were leaking radiation that was having an

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,280
adverse effect on the solar systems. Don't get balanced. And

724
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as far as we're concerned, the contact, these messages held

725
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,679
too much common with Lipps theory to be accidental. Our

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01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,360
suspicions were confirmed by the very strange story of Polish

727
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:48,159
American author Georgiadomski. Yeah he claimed to have met with

728
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:54,320
veritable United nations of alien races. These included the inhabitants

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,559
of Mars, of Venus of Saturn. During one visit to

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an alien Kraftadomski alleged to have met an alien emissary

731
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,760
named the Master. And the Master, according to Adomsky, provided

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,599
descriptions of the politicals on all the other worlds, and

733
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he allegedly told Dadomski that the extraterrestrials had come to

734
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Earth on a selvivific mission to prevent humanity from falling

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01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:29,480
to nuclear extinction. The Master explained that the extraterrestrials also

736
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came to prevent Earth's nuclear radiation from ad personally affecting

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the other planets. So now skeptics, they're going to write

738
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Adomsky off instantly as a mentally ill individual or simply

739
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,480
a perpetrator of fraud. And who can blame them? The

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01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,199
stories were wild, they were crazy if you read any

741
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,079
of them, and all they they they are on parody

742
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:59,320
with pulp magazine fictions. And Adamski's supporters see his account

743
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,920
as a confort nation that alien visitation is real, and

744
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:06,239
he still has his supporters to this very day, all

745
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,079
these years later.

746
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Speaker 5: Can I add something here, that one thing that really

747
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:13,840
stuck out I didn't know was where you mentioned that

748
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,280
Alan Dalles threatened to bring an injunction against anyone who

749
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,039
had questioned question. Yeah, now, if there wasn't something more

750
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:25,639
going on, why would he even care.

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01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,519
Speaker 2: That's the middle ground that needs to be considered here.

752
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:34,679
There's the possibility that he was manipulated by covert forces

753
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,719
in order to popularize the contact ee phenomenon that was

754
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,559
being used for social engineering purposes. In nineteen fifty three,

755
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:48,360
Adomski had published a book entitled Flying Saucers of Landed

756
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and in nineteen fifty five he wrote a sequel entitled

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Inside the Spaceships. And in those books of Damski talks

758
01:07:54,840 --> 01:08:02,599
about conversations with Venusian named Orphon. Orthon supposedly invited Adomski

759
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,039
to take a trip on a spacecraft and see the

760
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:10,239
entire solar system. And when Adomsky published this tale, there

761
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:15,199
was a Cincinnati businessman and his name was Thomas Iikoff,

762
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and Ikoff sought to have the United States government bring

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charges of fraud against Adomski. Iikoff pointed out that Adomski

764
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had used the US Postal services to spread his account,

765
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:32,159
so if the account was untrue. Ikoff asserted, then Adomski

766
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:35,960
was employing the US Postal Service to perpetrate fraud. So,

767
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,720
like you said, so Ikoff, he felt that there was

768
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that the US government had a substantial case against Adomski.

769
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:53,039
Accusations reached the attorney of the man that you pointed out,

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01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:59,880
the consummate deep state operative CIA director Alan Dallas. Dallas,

771
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,359
his attorney, felt that Aikov was correct and that the

772
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government could bring a case, could bring suit against against Adomski.

773
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And so what was Dallas's response to all this? Well,

774
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he threatened an injunction to prevent anyone from testifying in

775
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,520
court about Domski's claims. Quote, because maximum security exists concerning

776
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,560
the subject of UFOs. Now, why did Alan Dallas wish

777
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,960
to prevent a courtroom testimony against Adomski? We think that

778
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:38,640
the answer was provided by Leon Davidson, a chemical engineer

779
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:44,960
who participated in the Manhattan Project. Davidson believed that Dallas

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01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:51,680
and the CIA played an integral role in manufacturing Adomski's votes. Davidson,

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01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:55,239
in a nineteen sixty two article that we cite in

782
01:09:55,319 --> 01:10:01,560
the book, contended that the CIA orchestrated Adomski's close encounter experiences,

783
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:05,840
including his famous nineteen fifty two encounter with the Venusian.

784
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According to Davidson, individuals working with the CIA convinced Dadomski

785
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that they were real space brothers and persuaded him to

786
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:21,720
write his books about them. Davidson also asserted that the

787
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:30,560
CIA had had orchestrated Dowdomski's space flight to lend authenticity

788
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,960
to the contact experience. Now Davidson's accusation it shouldn't be

789
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:41,159
dismissed as paranoia. During a meeting between the CIA and

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01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:46,079
Air Force representatives, a CIA official had suggested Davidson was

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01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:49,640
somehow a threat to the nation. The meeting had been

792
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,880
held to discuss the possible responses to inquiries that had

793
01:10:53,920 --> 01:11:00,119
been submitted by two particular UFO researchers, Davidson and Keiho. Now,

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01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,239
at the meeting, there was a very distinct change in

795
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:08,439
tone depending on which one of those researchers you were

796
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,760
talking about, and all Keyho he was treated with a

797
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,119
lot of honor. He was treated with a lot of

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01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:21,039
respect when they approached the topic of Kiho's inquiries. When

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01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:25,279
the subject shifted to Davidson, however, the tone among participants,

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:32,600
and considerably, Davidson was the Donald Trump of ufiology, the

801
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,920
chemical engineer. He was spoke of with disdain, with contempt,

802
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:43,319
and there's a lot of suspicion. One CIA officer, in particular,

803
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,199
Frank Chapin, went so far as to imply that Davidson

804
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:51,600
was motivated by ulterior motives quote, some of them perhaps

805
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,199
not in the best interests of this country unquote. So

806
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:59,640
Chapin followed up this accusation with a proposal that the

807
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,600
fb I actually conduct an investigation on Davidson. So he

808
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,319
implied that the man was working for a foreign power

809
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:13,399
or some such thing. Davidson's accusation and proposal is analogous

810
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,560
to a bombing raid. During the bombing raid, the bomber

811
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,840
always knows that he's over to target because that's when

812
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,079
he starts to receive the most intense amount of flack.

813
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,800
The flat that Davidson was receiving from Chapin and his

814
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:37,279
other CIA associates indicates that Davidson was over the target.

815
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:43,239
He was not too far off the mark, and the CIA,

816
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,359
simply put, just didn't like Davidson because he had correctly

817
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:52,399
identified the agency's role in ushering in the age of

818
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:57,720
the contact eed, which would basically end with a limper

819
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,600
and not a bang, as many of these contents were

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,239
either exposed as they were either complete charlatans or they

821
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:09,920
were victims of deep state manipulation. Davidson also asserted in

822
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,279
its nineteen fifty sixty two article that the CIA had

823
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,800
quote sponsored the wave of Saucer articles in nineteen fifty

824
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,199
two and Look Life and Look et cetera. Life Magazine

825
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,399
and its counterpart Look Magzine Now Life was a weekly

826
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:35,640
magazine that was published from eighteen three to nineteen seventy two.

827
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It's still periodically resurrected by Life Magazine because in nineteen

828
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:54,760
thirty six it was purchased by American magazine magnet Henry Leos,

829
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:58,479
who owned Time Magazine. Yes, now Loose. He was the

830
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,119
publisher of Time Magazine and Time would continue to publish

831
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:07,560
to uh to employ the Life brand after after the

832
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:12,159
turn of the century, after turn into the twenty first century,

833
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,000
when it wanted to release commenorative issues or special issues.

834
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,560
But Loose has been called quote the most influential private

835
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:27,239
citizen in the in the America of his day unquote.

836
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:33,359
His influence appears to have extended to the realm of

837
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:39,239
UFOs because Loose was after it was, after all, the

838
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:42,199
owner of Life during the period of time when it

839
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:46,399
was putting out a high volume of softler articles, and

840
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,520
and not just it, but its chief competitor. Well.

841
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 5: And by the way, we know from the wim Hof,

842
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,479
the Big wim Hof book, that there was a direct

843
01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:00,960
connection to the CIA, Loose being skulling bones, Claire booth

844
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:05,680
Lewis being herself an intelligence operative, all of the connections

845
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,399
between John Courtney Murray being promoted by a Timelife magazine,

846
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:16,560
the sixties countercultural revolution with mushrooms and LSD being promoted

847
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,319
by Henry Luce. So no shocker here that it would

848
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:21,640
also apply to this stuff.

849
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 2: You're going right down the rabbit hole that I was

850
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:29,039
pursuing here, Jay, because Lousi's influence on the realm of youthology,

851
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:34,039
they have gone deeper than just publishing articles and lives.

852
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:40,079
Louse's main fact totem was Charles Douglas Jackson. Now there

853
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:45,199
was a Nightcap member named C. D. Jackson who actually

854
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,560
interviewed Betty and Barney Hill. I have not been able

855
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,600
to confirm yet that that CD Jackson is one and

856
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,359
the same with the CG. Jackson, who was a primary

857
01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:03,239
assistant to loose in a TIME senior executive.

858
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 5: And also it's awful the creator of the doctrinal warfare program,

859
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,600
which was the CIA's usage of the Romancollolic Church.

860
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,159
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's there's a connection here with doctrinal warfare.

861
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:14,359
Speaker 4: Now.

862
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,359
Speaker 2: Jackson, he was a senior executive of TIME, and he

863
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,920
was an expert on psychological warfare who had served with

864
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:25,199
the Office of Strategic Services OSS, which is the front

865
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:31,920
forerunner to the CIA, during nineteen fifty three nineteen fifty four.

866
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,239
Jackson was also instrumental in the formation of the Builderberg Group,

867
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:40,399
which is an elitist combine that has played a significant

868
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:45,680
role in the globalization process and also very preoccupied with transhumanism,

869
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,720
which is one that represents another invocation beyond with AI

870
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:56,119
and technological singularity. Both them and both them and the

871
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:04,960
transhumanist shared this religious faith in homogeneity, which this belief

872
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,800
that the other is a corruption, that the world of

873
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:12,720
differentiated beings is a corruption, and that humanity should be one,

874
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,159
that all beans should be that all being and amalgamated

875
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,520
into one super being. And I think that it was

876
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,239
at the Built I think it was the twenty thirteen

877
01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:25,560
Builderberg meeting. We bring it up in the in the

878
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,239
book where they opened the gates wide to transhumanism. I

879
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,159
think it was the twenty thirteen where they opened it

880
01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:37,680
up wide because they to transhumanism because they thought that

881
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,159
the radical homogeneity that they were seeking to achieve could

882
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:46,039
be done in an online world where everybody's conscious it's

883
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:52,880
just merged together right in all but according to wim Hoff,

884
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,520
Jackson acted as a kind of nexus between intelligence circles,

885
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:03,439
media organs, banking and financial interest, big business, and theoreticians

886
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,239
in the realm of communications, and he was able to

887
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:10,960
mobilize all these different forces to advance the agenda of

888
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:15,680
the oligarchical set. And Wimhoff makes it very clear in

889
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,720
his book that Jackson used these forces to conduct what

890
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,359
has been termed doctrinal warfare. What you brought up, that

891
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,079
was an actual term in the CIA lexicon. It's not

892
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:33,560
a militia or patriot movement fate fever dream. Anyone who

893
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,920
doubts that needs to go onto the CIA's online reading

894
01:18:38,039 --> 01:18:40,279
room and read a paper that we cite in the

895
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:44,680
book entitled the Use of Doctrinal Warfare and political, non

896
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:51,159
military attack against the USSR. The paper was actually read

897
01:18:51,239 --> 01:18:55,720
to an audience of CIA officials on October twentieth, nineteen

898
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,640
fifty two, and the document defines doctrinal warfare as quote

899
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,560
an attack through the medium of ideas on the motive

900
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,720
invasion of a given target, which seeks to reorient the

901
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,600
targets target's will in the selected direction. Now, the document

902
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,600
asserts that the Soviets were not reluctant to weaponize ideas,

903
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:24,439
so America had to follow suit and not trying to warfare.

904
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:30,800
If I recall, and Wimhoff points us out, included plans

905
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:39,239
to infiltrate all religions Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and essentially

906
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:43,000
make them surrogates of the American Empire, which itself was

907
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:46,479
merely a stepping stone to world government, which I might

908
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:51,680
add holds parallels with mystical imperialism, because mystical imperialism, which

909
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:57,359
of course it concerned itself with the creation of syncretistic

910
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:03,960
religion to unite all of the otherwise fragmentary elements of Empire,

911
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:06,880
of the British Empire together, and so we see kind

912
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,359
of a syncretism taking place here. Now none of this

913
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,600
is tangential because it is our contention. And then we

914
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,680
point this out in the book that UFOT disinformation played

915
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,600
an intake role part in doctrinal warfare. First of all,

916
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,840
we have the Psychological Strategy Board the PSB, which wim

917
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:32,359
Hoff tells us was used in doctrinal warfare, played an

918
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:37,039
intake a role in doctrinal warfare. Wimhoff says that the

919
01:20:37,359 --> 01:20:42,279
PSB was actually responsible for coordinating doctrinal warfare is a

920
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:47,279
There is a now legendary memo authored by Director of

921
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:51,880
Central Intelligence DCI Walter Bedelle Smith in nineteen fifty two

922
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,000
which calls for the PSB quote to discuss quote the

923
01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:04,800
possible the offensive defensive utilization of the UFO phenomenon. And

924
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,520
even more substantial link exists than that, and that would

925
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,720
be through one of the major participants in doctrinal warfare.

926
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,159
That participant was doctor Charles Lowry, the chairman of the

927
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:25,479
Foundation for Religious Action. Lowry was responsible for authoring two

928
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:31,159
memoranda that provided a strategy for the transforming for transforming

929
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:37,960
Buddhism in Southeast Asia into a mirrorage of the American Empire.

930
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,880
This plan, which was endorsed by then Vice President Richard

931
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:50,279
Nixon confide inspiration for the efforts to colonize Catholicism. In

932
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:57,520
nineteen fifty four, Lowry was a pivotal was pivotal in

933
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:03,159
an effort to organize was known as Freedom Day. Freedom

934
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:06,479
Day was an event meant to commemorate the anniversary of

935
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,680
the revolt of East German workers in Polish and Czechoslovakian

936
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:16,960
rebellions against Communism that took place in June nineteen fifty three.

937
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,000
Freedom Day, which was celebrated on June seventeenth, nineteen fifty four,

938
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:28,560
was the brainchild of Nicholas de Rochefort Fort and n

939
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:34,560
De Rochefort was a french Man and a psychological warfare expert.

940
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:38,479
The Rochefort and Lowry worked together to see to it

941
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,880
that Freedom Day was carried out, and later, on July

942
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:47,920
twenty ninth, nineteen fifty four, both men were praised by

943
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:53,079
George J. Kirst and the US representative from Wisconsin on

944
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,119
the floor of the House of Representatives for making Freedom

945
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:01,600
Day reality. The Rochefort is significant because he was one

946
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,520
of many CIA officials who was involved in the infiltration

947
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:12,920
of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon Nightcap. The

948
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:18,000
rochwort Was and several other CIA officials played a very

949
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:21,560
important role in the founding of Nightcap, ensuring that the

950
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:27,680
US investigations and conducted by the UFO, investigations conducted by

951
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:34,399
Nightcap would be subject to considerable deep state influence. During

952
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,760
his remarks on the House of on the floor of

953
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,279
the House of Representatives, Kirsten stated that Freedom Day was

954
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:44,479
quote an example of what is possible to achieve in

955
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,720
the field of unconventional psychological warfare against communism through imagination

956
01:23:50,199 --> 01:23:54,359
and private initiative unquote. So Kirsten made it clear that

957
01:23:54,479 --> 01:24:00,800
Freedom Day was a psychological warfare operation. Then Kirsten stated

958
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:05,159
that a lesson quote unquote, a lesson could be learned

959
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:09,640
from Freedom Day. In Kirsten's view, freedom Day provided an

960
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:15,039
example of a project that was quote prepared and initiated

961
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:19,640
by private initiative unquote, rather than by government. Kirsten then

962
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:25,520
suggested that quote a private organization be created to carry

963
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:30,239
such psychological warfare. To carry out such psychological warfare projects,

964
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:35,000
we believe that Nightcap was formed in response to Kirsten's

965
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:39,800
call quote to create a private organization unquote for the

966
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:45,359
purpose of quote psychological warfare unquote, and in support of that,

967
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,560
we point towards the findings of UFOL researcher Jack Brewer.

968
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:55,399
Brewer pointed out that NIGHTCAP was incorporated some twenty seven

969
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:00,920
months after Kirston made his remarks, So it appears to

970
01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:05,520
us that UFO investigatory bodies were being used to conduct

971
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:11,439
doctrinal warfare. The personal over the personnel overlapped with the

972
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:17,000
rochefort is certainly there. But it wasn't just organizations like

973
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:22,640
NYCAP that were used to incorporate UFOs into doctrinal warfare.

974
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:28,520
Motion pictures were also engaged in UFO related to doctrinal warfare.

975
01:25:30,319 --> 01:25:33,680
In addition to his important position at Time Magazine, C. D.

976
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,920
Jackson was also president of the National Committee for Free Europe.

977
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:43,600
The National Committee for Free Europe was a front for

978
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,239
the Central Intelligence Agency, and executives in the Committee for

979
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,680
Free Europe included Alan Dallies and Dwight D. Eisenhower. Eisenhower,

980
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,079
of course, would go on to become President of the

981
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:58,479
United States, Dollars would become the Director of CIA, and,

982
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,640
as I mentioned earlier, a chief participant in the Georgia

983
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,880
Edomski UFO case, A member who was very close to

984
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:14,079
the organization's executative committee was film producer and studio executive

985
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:19,720
Darryl Zanik. Zanik had worked as a writer. He had

986
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,760
wrote more than about forty scripts during the nineteen twenties

987
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,279
for Warner Brothers and then moved on to become head

988
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:31,680
of production, and in nineteen thirty three he left Warner

989
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:38,760
Brothers after he and the studio had Jack Warner, had

990
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:44,079
a dispute over salary. He then partnered with Joseph Shrek

991
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:49,439
Shrink to start Twentieth Century Pictures. He and Trank would

992
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,199
transform that production company into a force to be reckoned

993
01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:58,199
with in the motion picture industries, especially in nineteen thirty

994
01:26:58,279 --> 01:27:02,720
five when they brought the when they basically brought the

995
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,000
bankrupt Fox Studios into the fold and they merged it

996
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:11,239
with twentieth Century to form twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation.

997
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,680
But Xanik became much more than just a major film

998
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:23,880
producer when America entered into World War Two. When our

999
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:28,479
entry came in nineteen forty one, Xanak gained an intelligence background.

1000
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,560
He was commissioned as a colonel in the Army Signals

1001
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,239
Corps and he placed his film company at the disposal

1002
01:27:36,279 --> 01:27:40,840
of the United States government twentieth century, Fox began churning

1003
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,560
out films that were made with the supervision of the

1004
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:50,079
Office of War Information OWI and a government agency engaged

1005
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:56,399
in large scale information and propaganda campaigns domestically and overseas,

1006
01:27:56,479 --> 01:28:01,800
and populated heavily by social scientists who comprised the core

1007
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,720
of the OSS, which he eventually became the CIA. But

1008
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,760
as a result of this development in Xianic's life, in

1009
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:19,520
his mind, filmmaking and propagandizing became merged, whether intentionally or unintentionally,

1010
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:25,600
motion picture art and information. Warfare and persuasion became one

1011
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:31,319
and the same in Xani's mind, And in nineteen forty three,

1012
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,119
while he was still with the Army Signals Corps, he

1013
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,319
was quoted as saying, quote, if you have something worthwhile

1014
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,760
to say, dress it up in the glittering robes of entertainment,

1015
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:46,960
and you will find a ready market without entertainment, No

1016
01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:51,119
propaganda film is worth a dime. On the book, Yeah,

1017
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:55,079
Xanik developed a very good rapport with CD Jackson. He

1018
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:58,560
became part of a group of Hollywood figures that Jackson

1019
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,439
could refer to as quote unquote friends, and this group

1020
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,399
also included Cecil B. Demel and Jack Warner and Walt Disney.

1021
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:14,399
Jackson turned to This Holly World, This Hollywood Circle when

1022
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:19,520
he wanted certain ideas to be subtly relayed to movie audiences.

1023
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:24,319
Jackson was the head of the Committee for Free Europe

1024
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:29,359
and Xantik was a member. In nineteen fifty one, when

1025
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:33,680
twentieth Century Fox released what was to become a very

1026
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,960
popular and important science fiction movie, The Day the Earth

1027
01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:47,039
Stood Still, the inaugural the inaugural Benevolent myth film. The

1028
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:50,479
movie had a profound effect on audiences and left a

1029
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,760
permanent impression on America's cultural landscape. In nineteen ninety five,

1030
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,880
the National Film Registry described the film as quote cultural,

1031
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:06,359
historically or esthetically significant unquote, and usually science fiction, it's

1032
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:12,399
it's very surreal. The genre can be very bizarre, and

1033
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,439
audiences always have a sense that what they're watching is

1034
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,239
somehow divorced for reality. The Day the Earth Stood Still

1035
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:26,119
was quite different. There was a very realistic style to it.

1036
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,600
Xanik obviously wanted the audience to feel like they were

1037
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,960
viewing a very real event, almost a documentary. Yeah of

1038
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:41,199
particular more importance to was the now famous scene where

1039
01:30:41,239 --> 01:30:45,800
the alien plat lands his spacecraft in the nation's capital

1040
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,119
and delivers his message to Americans and the rest of humanity.

1041
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,560
While he was discussing this scene with the movie's producer

1042
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:01,199
Julian Blaustein, I mean the movies director Julian blouse Stein, uh,

1043
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:07,359
the the movie screenwriter Edmund North. Uh, Xanik directed them

1044
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,760
to quote, treat it as realistically as you possibly can

1045
01:31:12,359 --> 01:31:15,319
quote and if I may add their script the scriptwriter

1046
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:21,600
Edmund North, he openly acknowledged that clat two who's killed

1047
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,680
by soldiers, but he slavored or revives, you know, revived

1048
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:31,159
through the use of advanced technology. He he intended, Uh,

1049
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,680
he intended the character of Clatt two to be an

1050
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:40,600
alien Christ, and during his son journ on Earth, Clatte

1051
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:46,079
two assumes the very suggestive name of Carpenter as an

1052
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,159
carpenter from Nazareth. So very you know, you already have

1053
01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:56,119
intimations of an exo theological Christ and the narrative. But

1054
01:31:56,359 --> 01:32:01,119
Xanik wanted a very documentary style to the U landing scene.

1055
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,159
And he told North and blasting the following quote, you

1056
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:08,800
should suddenly hear radio programs being interested with startling flash

1057
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,479
announcements from Washington, New York, Los Angeles, et cetera. The

1058
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,640
whole nation is listening in this should be dramatized like

1059
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,760
the opening of a documentary film, quote Xanik. He was

1060
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:24,359
also very adamant that the audience quote must accept our

1061
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:31,119
entire project. Xanik wanted the audience's full investment in this

1062
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:35,800
particular big screen experience. He wanted to make sure the

1063
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:43,199
film's message was fully imbibed by viewers. This was to

1064
01:32:43,319 --> 01:32:47,279
be a propaganda piece. The fact was probably not lost

1065
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:52,680
on Blasting the film's director, because he himself was a

1066
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:57,279
signals car an Army signals car veteran one of these.

1067
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,079
One of the messages that was was introduced by this

1068
01:33:02,199 --> 01:33:08,319
film was Salvation from outer Space. An extraterrestrial messiah figure,

1069
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:14,800
the principal alien character and the extraterrestrial name Cloutu, comes

1070
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,560
to Earth bearing a cautionary message meant to help humanity

1071
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:24,720
avert disaster and avoid extinction. Clato is a misunderstood deliverer

1072
01:33:25,119 --> 01:33:30,079
who experiences resurrection after being fatally shot. This, of course,

1073
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:34,960
is a reference to Jesus Christ. This Christ, however, is

1074
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:40,119
firmly anchored to the a manic world an interplanetary savior

1075
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:44,199
instead of one that's sent to us by some transcendent god.

1076
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,800
And at one point Plato, of course, he escapes custody

1077
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,800
of military guards and he hides out in a boarding house,

1078
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,279
where as Phil's pointed out, he assumes the name of Carpenter,

1079
01:33:56,359 --> 01:33:59,960
and it's an obvious allusion to Jesus Christ. The Carpenter

1080
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:03,600
are from Nazareth. So Clatu is supposed to be a

1081
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,479
surrogate for the divine, which is the very definition of

1082
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:13,119
the Beyond. His message to mankind includes a warning that

1083
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:17,840
the inhabitants of the planet is the inhabitants of the

1084
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:23,159
other planets rather, are extremely concerned by the fact that

1085
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,359
that humans have developed a primitive form of atomic power.

1086
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:32,399
Clatu tells humanity that if it continues on its present course,

1087
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,720
that it will quote face obliteration. So we have one

1088
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:41,399
of the invocation of beyond the super weapon, which of

1089
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:47,600
course is of course Promethean fire and a gnostic Messiah.

1090
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:53,079
We have it segueing into the invocation of the Beyond

1091
01:34:53,279 --> 01:34:59,840
as extraterrestrial gods. Yeah, Clatu's message it obviously caused the mind.

1092
01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:03,600
The theory advanced by doctor James lipp in nineteen forty nine,

1093
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,159
and that Project Sign report, so The Day that the

1094
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:11,119
Earth Stood Still was released only two years after the

1095
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:14,479
Project Sign report and was overseen by a Hollywood production

1096
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:19,800
chief with an intelligence background and extremely close ties to C. G. Jackson,

1097
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:25,439
a principal participant in doctrinal warfare. The probability that this

1098
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:31,880
was all coincidental is very small, to say the least.

1099
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,560
In nineteen eighty three, journalist Linda Marlton Howe claimed that

1100
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,079
she was told by Air Force intelligence officers, one of

1101
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:45,239
which was probably Richard Doughty, who was involved in a

1102
01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:52,760
whole plethora of alien disinformation schemes, including a disinformation scheme

1103
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:57,840
that led to the tragic downfall of Paul Benowitz, who

1104
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,680
was a UFO researcher and electric on an electrical engineer

1105
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,520
who suffered all the symptoms of a nervous breakdown as

1106
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:10,399
a result. And all but she was told by these

1107
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,920
Air Force officers that the Day the Earth Stood Still

1108
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,399
was quote inspired by the CIA unquote, and that it

1109
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,960
was probably probably and that was probably the only time

1110
01:36:23,399 --> 01:36:27,600
that the Air Force intelligence candre that into the Air

1111
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:33,039
Force intelligence circles were ever honest with her how herself

1112
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,880
was used as a disinformation conduit by deep state forces

1113
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,560
and elements of the public state that had fallen into

1114
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,560
some degree of corruption and deterioration, probably as a result

1115
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:51,399
of excessive Could war paranoia. The aforementioned Richard Dody and

1116
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:56,279
agent with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations AFOSI,

1117
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,720
provided next between the deep state and public state. In

1118
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,960
the case of Linda Malton. How as an AFO SI agent,

1119
01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:10,119
Doty was representing portions of the public state that had

1120
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:14,760
allowed its competition with Soviet intelligence to erode its integrity.

1121
01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:20,319
The afosi's desire to counter Soviet intelligence efforts caused it

1122
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:25,239
to resort to some of the worst kind of lies, deception, disinformation.

1123
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,479
In the case of the aforementioned UFO researcher ele electrical

1124
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:35,279
physicist Paul Benowitz, delies and disinformation led to delusional paranoia

1125
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,439
and nervous breakdown. In nineteen seventy nine, Benowitz had begun

1126
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:46,119
seeing and filming strange lights over Kirtland Air Force Base

1127
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:51,560
in New Mexico. He was also intercepting some electronic communications.

1128
01:37:52,039 --> 01:37:56,000
Benowitz he was an eccentric and came to believe that

1129
01:37:56,399 --> 01:38:01,560
but he was the evidence that he was acting here

1130
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:08,520
was an activity. The AFOSI was among those portions of

1131
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,520
the government bureaucracy that became concerned with Benowitz's investigation, and

1132
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,359
they were afraid that Benwitz would become the unwitting puppet

1133
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:20,439
of the Soviets. In other words, his investigations would unintentionally

1134
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,399
reveal secret projects at Kirtland Air Force Base and other

1135
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:29,079
sensitive sites like the Monzano Nuclear weapons storage facility and

1136
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:35,840
Coyote Canyon Test Area. So, through Agent Special Agent Richard Dody,

1137
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,920
benefit Witz was fed some of the most paranoid UFO

1138
01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:44,520
disinformation ever conceived. The very purpose of the disinformation seems

1139
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:49,199
to have been to engender extreme suspicion, in irrational fear

1140
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:53,560
in its precipit in its recipient, and it seems to

1141
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,039
have had the desired effect, because, as I said in

1142
01:38:57,159 --> 01:39:00,920
nineteen eighty eight, Benowitz was exhibiting all the signs of

1143
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,640
severe mental distress and a family had to place them

1144
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,159
in a psychiatric facility. But thois I was not the

1145
01:39:09,279 --> 01:39:14,279
only organization that Doughty represented during the sad Milits affair.

1146
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,319
It was revealed that Doughty was either a representative or

1147
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:20,159
a member of the Aviary, which was a group of

1148
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:25,239
intelligence operatives that derived its name from the fact that

1149
01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:31,079
participants assumed bird names as aliases. The AFOSI was obviously

1150
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:36,279
motivated by national security concerns. The Aviary's agenda, on the

1151
01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:41,760
other hand, was authored was authored somewhere within the balls

1152
01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:46,920
of the deep state. Aviary was the classic example of

1153
01:39:47,319 --> 01:39:51,920
a deep state entity. Its activities were morally questionable, and

1154
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:56,159
it did not receive its mandate anywhere from the public state.

1155
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:00,479
And more evidence that there was deep state as well

1156
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:06,600
as public state involvement in the In the Benowitt's affair,

1157
01:40:07,279 --> 01:40:13,760
if Benowitz was accidentally compromising national security, all that the

1158
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,439
AFO SI, all that Richard dot You would have had

1159
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,239
to do is come to him and say, Paul, kindly

1160
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:24,399
cease and desist from all your activities and all Benowitz

1161
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,760
was eccentric, but he was. But he was also a

1162
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,359
very good hearted person and a patriot, and he would

1163
01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:33,800
have listened. But no, the instead they used him as

1164
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:38,760
a as a disinformation amplifier and or when when If

1165
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,920
it was when, with national security was the sole motivation,

1166
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:45,000
All they would have had to do is tell him

1167
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:49,359
the stopping would have stopped. And all so Dotey presented

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how with an alleged briefing paper regarding alien's visitation like

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The Day the Earth Stood Still, The alleged briefing paper

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presents a Christ like figure that originated with extraterrestrials as

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opposed to a transcended God. How testified quote there was

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a paragraph that stated, two thousand years ago, extraterrestrials created

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a being that was placed on Earth to teach mankind

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about love and nonviolence. Reading this document caused how to

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believe that Jesus Christ was a herald of extraterrestrial civilizations

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instead of God's redeemer. So the Messiah motif was being

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co opted by deep stinct forces to promote concepts and

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ideas that originated with the oligarchs. The ends of UFO

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01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:51,399
disinformation we find in doctrinal warfare is a new Jesus

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preaching a new gospel tailored to the contours of the

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global oligarchical establishments for human So we see pop culture

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had already seeded the uphology community for this in years

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in advance with the with the promotion of the film

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There the Day the Earth Stood Still, we already have

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that masienic motif in place and we already have the

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transposition of the escaton into space. We already have the

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reinterpretation of aliens as angels, all modern myth making all

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already we have Linda Malton House mind seeded with those beliefs.

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In this regard, UFO disinformation agents may be drawing inspiration

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from one of the progenitors of the modern deep state,

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the Bavarian Illuminati. This eighteenth century secret society also attempted

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to introduce a new Jesus and a new Gospel. The

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Bavarian Illuminatis founder professor of canon law at English Dot

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and Vice Shop, abandoned the Orthodox understanding of salvation. The

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Orthodox understanding is that salvation is the restoration of communion

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with God through his son Jesus Christ. Shalt presented to

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his order a different Jesus with a different death to salvation.

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I Shalt states that Jesus came to teach man how

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to liberate himself from ignorance through the use of reason,

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which which I shout capitalizes to indicate that reason is

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Divinity incarnated as the human mind. For Shalt, reason was

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a surrogate for Divinity, the agency through which man would

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solve all of his problems. Without any assistance from a

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transcendent God. Shop wrote, quote the secret preserved through the

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disciplinanum or can i, and the aim appearing through all

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his words in deeds to give back to man their

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rich is to give back to man their original liberty

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and equality. Now one can understand how far Jesus was

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the redeemer and savior of the world. The mission of

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Christ was therefore by means of reason to make man

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capable of freedom. When at last reason becomes the religion

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of man, so will the problem be solved. Shop also,

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Saul was also saw himself as something of a Masonic reformer,

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and he believed freemasonry to be a kind of secret

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doctrine that Christ taught to his apostles. Shopped asserted, quote,

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Freemasonry is hid in Christianity, and we find that Freemasonry

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has seen very significant ties to UFO deception through Christopher Melon.

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Christopher Mellan. His resume includes being a former United States

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Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and a former

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staff director of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

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Christopher Mellan is part of the of of the oligarchical

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set the melon industry. I mean the Mellon dynasty. He

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01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:30,560
is part of that whole oli some man submerged oligarchy

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that exists here in America. And this this Mellon dynasty,

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it claims uh Pittsburgh entrepreneur and banker Thomas mell mell

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as it's as its patriarch. Thomas Mellon. Mellon belonged to

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the Pittsburgh Scotch Irish industrial community. This is significant because

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the Scotch Irish Industrial commun unity owes much of its

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existence to Freemasonry. Freemasonry basically established that particular business community.

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Thomas Melon's collaboration with Freemasons included loans to Henry Clay Frick,

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the infamous industrialist and union buster. Frick and rased Freemason

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the Free Masonic Conception of God. He was a treasurer

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at the King Solomon's Lodge number three forty six and Comasville,

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and he was a member of the of the Urania

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Law Chapter number one ninety two green at Greensburg. It

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was almost inevitable that the Melons would imbibe Freemasonry. One

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of Thomas Mellon's sons, Us Secretary of Treasury Andrew William Mellon,

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was a Freemason, and according to a free Masonic source,

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he was able to attain the much coveted thirty third

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degree of free Masonry.

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm not trying to be rude. I want to

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cut you guys off, but we can come back and

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do a part two. But I am going to have

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to get to the super chats here because we're going

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01:47:09,239 --> 01:47:12,880
up towards two hours. So let's get you back on

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a part too soon in the near future when I've

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read more of the book. I've only gotten a few

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chapters in and it's really good. So let's get to

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some of these super chats we've got. First up is

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where is it at? Luthian? For ten dollars. I don't

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have anything to say other than that you've been helpful

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in under my understanding of orthodoxy. That's all, well, thank you, Luthian,

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much appreciated. Big BALLA for five dollars. What is up

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with all of the progressive woke stuff? Where is it

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coming from and where's it taking us? Well, it's really

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just a tool of social engineering, and it's taking us

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into the global technocratic world government. So you know that's

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that's the whole point of it. John Connor five dollars.

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Schopenhauer was Kant's blood.

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Speaker 2: Boy.

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Speaker 5: I know this because I come Fromman descent. My gamgam

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told me that Schopenhauer drained the blood from Nietzsche, and

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Nietzsche engaged in certain activities with Adolph, who gave us

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angela merkle. Okay, that person's joking. Five dollars are the

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College brothers? Are the College Brothers kg KGB spies because

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they look like Russians. They are super agents, they're sleeper agents.

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I think he's just he's just joking.

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Speaker 2: German descent, a little bit of American.

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Speaker 5: Jmel are ginger. There you go, Jmail says thirty dollars.

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Any Jacobsen wrote in her book on Roswell that the

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Saucer event Roswell Saucer event was a Russian style. Did

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the US government government know it was coming to it

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was coming so they could capitalize on a social engineering opportunity.

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I don't buy that it was a Russian operation.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a we don't either. We go

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we go into that in the book. We believe that

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that's a cover story for a cover story, and a

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h uh. Philip Corso, in his book The Day After Roswell.

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He claims that it's all alien, but he betrays the

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reality of it at the beginning of the book because

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he says that he brings it, that he had to

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bring in her Ermine Oberth and and uh von Verner

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von Braun and all to to look at the debris

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because it resembled a Nazi technology. Well, if it's of

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alien origin, why does it resemble a Nazi technology and all?

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So we think we think that it was that it

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was either it was probably produced the indeed went off

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in three different directions, the Soviet Union, United States, and

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an extra territorial state. We believe, we present the case

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in the book that it was most likely Nazi orient

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R and D that found its approximate origins with America,

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with Capturedzi Nazi scientists here in the United States. So

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it was Nazis. It was Nazis in the employe of

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the American deep state. And I believe that in this regard,

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Annie Jacobsen was probably manipulated. That's just our personal opinion.

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Speaker 5: Gotcha a World Economic Forum since twenty dollars submit. I

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think the World Economic Forum is telling me to submit

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to their global mandates. So that's also another joke profile,

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but thank you for that submission, and thank you guys again.

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The book is invoking Beyond and you can get that

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at the link that I put in the show description

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over at I whatever it is. I yeah, I've got

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the link there. So thank you guys very much, and

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we'll have you back and we'll get deeper into this

1305
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because there's just so much content and too much to

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01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:21,479
cover and in one installment, so we'll we'll definitely have

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some more installments. But thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you