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Speaker 3: this is gun Talk. Glad you're with us. Love to
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Speaker 3: Of course, we're in this crazy age of all sorts
Speaker 3: of new products and new technologies, and.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a great time.
Speaker 3: We've got really great guns and really good optics in
Speaker 3: the electro optic world has frankly changed the way we
Speaker 3: look at guns. Joining me right now, John Bailey from Eotech. John,
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at your website right now. Eotech Man,
Speaker 3: you guys have got some of the coolest stuff out there.
Speaker 3: You're not only are you have good stuff, you explain it, well, well.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Yeah, we've over the years, we've really evolved.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: We're excited to kind of get into new things and
Speaker 6: I think we'll talk about it. But we're not just
Speaker 6: a holographic site anymore. Although that's still our bread and
Speaker 6: butter and it's doing incredibly well. But we wanted to
Speaker 6: provide products for all kinds of shooters and I think
Speaker 6: we have.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you got everything from scopes to lasers, to
Speaker 3: the holographic to suppressors. That's all over the place. Are
Speaker 3: we at this point just you're obviously you're in the
Speaker 3: business and you make this stuff. But I'm thinking we
Speaker 3: are well past the point of anybody actually thinking do
Speaker 3: red dot sites or do optics make a difference?
Speaker 4: Are we passed?
Speaker 5: Uh? I think people see it immediately.
Speaker 6: We're we're a very visual company, especially to explain to
Speaker 6: holographic you know, product, it's it's visual.
Speaker 5: But once you see in a red dots in the
Speaker 5: same in the same boat.
Speaker 6: But once you see our radical on a holographics, it
Speaker 6: will blow away any old school iron sights, you know,
Speaker 6: where you have to line things up and then change
Speaker 6: your focus to your target and confirmed by bringing your
Speaker 6: focus back. All of those things are are just slow
Speaker 6: and harder to holographic, you know, holographic site or red dot.
Speaker 6: You know, it's really point and shoot, it's immediate, it's
Speaker 6: really fast on follow ups. It's so people that have
Speaker 6: been shooting, if they've been shooting iron sights, I think
Speaker 6: that they see, you know, something more uh technologically advanced,
Speaker 6: like the red dot or holographic site. They will see
Speaker 6: a difference immediately. And hopefully the beginners that are getting
Speaker 6: into the industry are seeing those same optics friends or
Speaker 6: trainers firearms and getting into the iron sight stuff, because
Speaker 6: it's just that they're eventually going to get into the tech.
Speaker 5: Stuff and go through that pain.
Speaker 3: Right, what's the difference between a red dot and a
Speaker 3: holographic site?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, how much time?
Speaker 3: You got to make it short because I have a
Speaker 3: short attention span.
Speaker 6: Holography doesn't compromise on anything. So it uses a laser
Speaker 6: diode compared to an LED, and what we're able to
Speaker 6: do is create any radical image that we want, and
Speaker 6: we found the circle dot provides the most speed and
Speaker 6: the most accuracy, because with holography, the main advantage in
Speaker 6: my mind is the dot is a laser, so it's
Speaker 6: a two point source, so it is ridiculously small, smaller
Speaker 6: than you and I can really see, so we see
Speaker 6: it as one mla.
Speaker 5: So you have a very.
Speaker 6: Fine, crisp dot for more precise shooting a distance, but
Speaker 6: you have the ring that gets you on target faster
Speaker 6: than what a dot would individually, so there's no compromise.
Speaker 6: You're on target faster, and especially because of a rectangular
Speaker 6: heads up display type window. But for distance a little
Speaker 6: longer shooting, you have more accuracy because the dot is smaller,
Speaker 6: and the second biggest advantage with that dot being a
Speaker 6: laser diode, So when you put a magnifier behind it,
Speaker 6: the dot is still because it's so small.
Speaker 5: Even magnified, it's still.
Speaker 6: Less than one ma, so you and I are still
Speaker 6: only seeing that at one ma with a magnifier. So
Speaker 6: you maintain or actually gain more accuracy with a magnifier.
Speaker 6: Where's a red dot, you're growing that dot and your target.
Speaker 5: At the same rate.
Speaker 6: Not much at advantage there compared to holography, So that's
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 5: That's the biggest advantage.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are the technological wizards here. Explain the
Speaker 3: difference between you closed emitter and an opening mitter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we started with an opening minter and that's
Speaker 6: when we got into it. That's kind of what the
Speaker 6: space was for pistol optics. If an opening minter is
Speaker 6: basically one piece of glass with a little well behind
Speaker 6: the battery cap essentially, and that's where your LED diode is,
Speaker 6: and that diode projects the light up against that window
Speaker 6: and actually it reflects back, so you're able to see
Speaker 6: that red dot and it works great. They there's tons
Speaker 6: of them. Our reflex is one of the best ones
Speaker 6: out there. But what happens is if you get into
Speaker 6: some weather or you get dust or debris or anything
Speaker 6: like that, it could sometimes cover that LED or block
Speaker 6: that LED. And if you don't have that, you don't
Speaker 6: have a dot. You know, you know, you're not able
Speaker 6: to shoot. So closed emitters essentially enclose that diode, so
Speaker 6: they have two pieces of glass and it protects that
Speaker 6: LED from being you know, covered or even damage.
Speaker 5: So we're seeing a lot more.
Speaker 6: I think it was really driven by law enforcement and
Speaker 6: even some military stuff.
Speaker 5: It's you know, they certainly can't have can't afford to
Speaker 5: have that happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got dirty, dusty, rainy environments and they can't
Speaker 3: have the loss of their site.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 6: So all it does is take that that possibility out
Speaker 6: of the equation, you know, and a lot of times
Speaker 6: that it makes the housing a little bit bigger than
Speaker 6: an open emitter, and that probably provides a little extra
Speaker 6: durability and things like that that they certainly need as well.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a weather sealed system.
Speaker 3: Not that the weather is going to knock out an
Speaker 3: open emitter, but if you get rain and dust and
Speaker 3: stuff on there, now it's going to I mean, you
Speaker 3: got basically rain drops or whatever it is, it can
Speaker 3: mess up your view or as you say, it could
Speaker 3: even cover up the emitter entirely.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 6: Even a simple rain drop or a you know, sweat
Speaker 6: or something like that can completely distort You might still
Speaker 6: see the dot, but it can completely distort it and
Speaker 6: make it unusable. So, uh, it really is kind of important,
Speaker 6: you know, if you're gonna just go to the range
Speaker 6: and plink and things like that, and open emitter is
Speaker 6: really everything you need. But if you're going to use
Speaker 6: it for training or professional use, or if you carry gun, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: rely on it for a home defense or carry gun
Speaker 6: closed demitter.
Speaker 5: You know, it just takes away, you know, some of
Speaker 5: those possibilities.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking at your option to You got the
Speaker 3: e flex and the Eflex CE for closed demitter, and
Speaker 3: it's about one hundred hundred and twenty bucks more for
Speaker 3: the closed emitter in the And I'm just thinking in
Speaker 3: the greater scheme of things, if you had dollars or dollars,
Speaker 3: but if you say, okay, I expect this thing to
Speaker 3: last me ten years easy, which it should, you advertise
Speaker 3: that out. You can never find the difference. So just
Speaker 3: get the one that you feel like you want.
Speaker 6: No, I think you're right on right there. There are
Speaker 6: added features to this CE that will make your spend
Speaker 6: more justified. You know, there's shake Awake, there's switchable radicals,
Speaker 6: there's an integrated rear backup iron sight. So we added
Speaker 6: some more bells and whistles to it that again will
Speaker 6: help with carry issues and you know home defense that
Speaker 6: shake awake is really nice when something goes bumping the
Speaker 6: night and you want to grab your pistol and automatically
Speaker 6: pops right right on and ready to go.
Speaker 5: So there are extra features that kind of justify that
Speaker 5: extra spend, all right.
Speaker 4: And we can mention as we've just run by it.
Speaker 3: You've got holographic sites for your ars and whatever other
Speaker 3: kind of rifles you have. But I want to bounce down.
Speaker 3: You've gotten into suppressures in a big way with some
Speaker 3: really interesting technology.
Speaker 5: Everybody's getting into them.
Speaker 6: The removal of the tax stamp was a you know,
Speaker 6: a big motivator for a lot of people to get
Speaker 6: into it. We've never kind of, you know, shared this publicly.
Speaker 6: I've been with Eotech for over twenty years, and my
Speaker 6: my goal has always been that Eotech owns the gun,
Speaker 6: not necessarily making guns, but we want to be.
Speaker 5: Every every piece in equipment on the guns.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, we do holographic sites, we do magnifiers like
Speaker 6: you mentioned, we do magnified scopes, we have our OGL laser. Yeah,
Speaker 6: So it just made sense that we would have another
Speaker 6: component that we could be part of, and suppressors was
Speaker 6: the logical choice. So we created the Decibel the DCBL suppressor.
Speaker 6: It's a three D printed grade five titanium, really nice suppressor.
Speaker 6: We offer it in three oh eight five five six
Speaker 6: and a nine milimeter that's designed specifically for PCC guns.
Speaker 5: And they are great suppressors.
Speaker 6: They have a really nice sound, takes into account in
Speaker 6: the design, and the monolithic core takes into account all
Speaker 6: the back pressure and things like that. That so it
Speaker 6: makes for a really smooth shooting gun and eliminates a
Speaker 6: lot of that recoil. So we're really happy with it.
Speaker 6: We went after kind of the sound aspect of.
Speaker 5: It rather than the weight. Usually when you go after
Speaker 5: and try to reduce weight.
Speaker 6: You kind of have a little bit more sound, and
Speaker 6: sure we're hoping more of a comfortable shooting.
Speaker 3: It's a give or take deal. You can go real lightweight,
Speaker 3: but it's going to become louder, you know. It's we
Speaker 3: unders said. Let me just tell you congratulations to you guys.
Speaker 3: You have the most useful and best set of FAQs.
Speaker 3: Frequently ask questions on suppressors and all the rest of
Speaker 3: stuff on your website.
Speaker 4: I mean, if anybody needs to know anything about.
Speaker 3: Suppressors, how do they work, how loud are they, how
Speaker 3: much do they help? What's the thread pitch? How do
Speaker 3: I attach it to my gun? What's the lifespan? Just
Speaker 3: goes on and on and on. Whoever did this did
Speaker 3: a happinous job.
Speaker 5: Man, Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I contributed quite a bit to it, and it was
Speaker 6: you know, I have several suppressors myself, and when we
Speaker 6: got into it, I thought about, you know, what our
Speaker 6: consumers and customer is going to call us for and
Speaker 6: ask us.
Speaker 5: Because we're new to the game.
Speaker 6: So we came up with that entire list and hopefully
Speaker 6: that you know, solves a lot of people's questions and
Speaker 6: doesn't require a phone call to our customer service.
Speaker 5: But certainly they can they can get into more.
Speaker 3: But it's like the pressure one on one school. It
Speaker 3: is great what you've done here.
Speaker 5: Good, thank you. Yeah, no, I think it's helpful.
Speaker 6: It educates the consumer hopefully, uh you know, they go
Speaker 6: in with a more confident buying experience.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're happy with it.
Speaker 6: And it's probably not even complete, you know, there's probably
Speaker 6: still more to add to it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you'll be had to, all right.
Speaker 3: So the obvious question that you get all the time,
Speaker 3: and even if it's not said out loud, it's said
Speaker 3: in somebody's mind. They're looking at your your optics, your
Speaker 3: pistol optics.
Speaker 4: You say, Okay, you know, yeah, Okay, I could buy.
Speaker 3: A pistol optic for less than this, why should I
Speaker 3: buy an eotech?
Speaker 5: The answers always are testing in our quality.
Speaker 6: So most of our products are all like the holographic
Speaker 6: sites and the magnifiers, our pistol sites, our ogl are
Speaker 6: all manufactured, assembled, tested in Plymouth, Michigan in USA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think that's a big, big difference.
Speaker 6: And we've always had incredible testing machines and protocols and
Speaker 6: all of that stuff, to the point where for our
Speaker 6: holographic site, when we started that and had the contract
Speaker 6: with Socom, Socom wanted to replicate our testing systems because
Speaker 6: we were so.
Speaker 5: Good at it.
Speaker 6: So we put all of our products, whether it's you know,
Speaker 6: rifle scopes or or you know, holographic sites through the
Speaker 6: same thing, and we put them through all the environmentals.
Speaker 5: We put them through shock and recoil and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: So I think when we designed something and we eventually
Speaker 6: get to market, it's already proven where I think a
Speaker 6: lot of others, especially things that may have come from overseas,
Speaker 6: kind of come cookie cutter and.
Speaker 5: You know you're gonna eventually probably have some issues.
Speaker 6: So I think that's the big difference between other than
Speaker 6: like technology that people can't do like holography. I think
Speaker 6: it comes down to the testing and the quality before
Speaker 6: the product gets in the hands of the shooter.
Speaker 3: Well, and one other thing. You mentioned it, but you
Speaker 3: went by it in a hurry. I want to mention
Speaker 3: it again, made in America, by Americans, and that's huge
Speaker 3: when it comes to the optics world.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it really is. You know, not too many
Speaker 6: people can do it, and every day we do it.
Speaker 6: It's really really hard. But I think that carries a
Speaker 6: lot of weight, especially for professional users, and when professional
Speaker 6: users use their stuff, that trickles down to everybody else.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of our mantra.
Speaker 3: We obviously people could take a look at Eotechinciinc.
Speaker 4: Dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thing for you, you got the floor. You're going
Speaker 3: to tell somebody this is what you really need to
Speaker 3: know about Eotech, the company and the people.
Speaker 6: You are just a great group of people. There's an
Speaker 6: incredible culture here. Everybody likes really what they're doing. It's
Speaker 6: it's fun. It's a fun environment. We you know, we
Speaker 6: are getting into new products and new product categories, so
Speaker 6: I think that's exciting for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: You know, there's some that have always just been.
Speaker 6: One trick pony, and we were for a long time
Speaker 6: with the holographic site, but we brought in people that
Speaker 6: are experts and magnified rifle scopes. We brought people in
Speaker 6: that our experts in the laser systems.
Speaker 5: And night vision and thermal and really kind of created
Speaker 5: a really cool, nicely you know, tight fit group. And
Speaker 5: it's just, you know, you can.
Speaker 6: Just tell that people have fun and enjoy what they're
Speaker 6: doing and like to come up with new products and
Speaker 6: like to get out on the range and like to
Speaker 6: go train with people, and it's it's just it's fun.
Speaker 6: It's hard to h it's just it's a great environment.
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't even talk about your line of rifle scopes.
Speaker 3: They're very cool. I encourage people to go take a
Speaker 3: look at eotech Inc. Dot com. Jo, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for your time.
Speaker 5: All right, Tom, I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Another example things we talk about. This one just popped
Speaker 3: up the news as I'm doing the show. A man
Speaker 3: allegedly struck and killed another man with a baseball bat
Speaker 3: and a roads raid attack roads rage attack on the
Speaker 3: belt Parkway in Queens Road Rage. I said this before
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure it's really making much of an impact.
Speaker 4: But look, here's the deal. Don't get out of your car.
Speaker 3: Don't flip people off in your car when you're driving,
Speaker 3: don't be honking your horn at people, check your ego,
Speaker 3: slow it down, put.
Speaker 4: On classical music if you have to.
Speaker 3: If you get into a situation where you're stopped and
Speaker 3: somebody's pounding on your car, don't get out. Don't try
Speaker 3: to prove to them that you're right and they're wrong.
Speaker 3: You have no idea what this person is all about.
Speaker 3: Whether he's just crazy, or he's suicidal, or he's just
Speaker 3: committed murder and killed his wife and kids, or he's
Speaker 3: just decided he's not going back to jail again.
Speaker 5: Or whatever.
Speaker 3: You just don't know. Remember, he's not like you. There's
Speaker 3: a good chance this person is not like you. And
Speaker 3: so how do you get out of a situation like that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Apologize when no apologize, apology is warranted. I am sure sorry,
Speaker 3: Oh man, are you guys okay? I am really yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm sorry. What do we need
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Speaker 3: If you had an accident, you got to deal with it.
Speaker 3: You cannot assume that everybody's working on the same wavelength
Speaker 3: that you are. Just again, get your mind right. Don't
Speaker 3: put yourself into a position where somebody could do something
Speaker 3: savagely violent to you unexpectedly. All right, Just got this
Speaker 3: email during the show from Will in Orgon. He says,
Speaker 3: my carry guns are a pair of Ruger LCP two
Speaker 3: pistols and twenty two long rifle. He's carrying two guns,
Speaker 3: each of them in twenty two long rifle, he says,
Speaker 3: with one in the chamber and a ten round mag.
Speaker 3: They provide me with twenty two shots. So he's got
Speaker 3: two guns. He's got twenty two shots between them, he says,
Speaker 3: with five extra mags, I have seventy two shots on board.
Speaker 3: And here's just thinking behind it. He says, I hit
Speaker 3: with a twenty two is better than I miss with
Speaker 3: a forty five. He says, by the way, with these guns,
Speaker 3: I can hit the side of a two by four
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards. What do you think of a
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Speaker 3: carry gun? Clearly Will can shoot. He's a volunteer at
Speaker 3: the local shooting range, and he's thought it through. He's
Speaker 3: got two of these on him at any given time.
Speaker 3: Just I don't know, wonder what you think of food
Speaker 3: for thought. There there's really no right or wrong to
Speaker 3: all this. The main thing is can you make hits?
Speaker 3: And trust me, that's more main thing than your times
Speaker 3: on your timer. And I know, I know everybody wants
Speaker 3: to show their cool split times and their draw times.
Speaker 3: And I got a one second draw on you know,
Speaker 3: my Instagram channel looking great. Fine, None of it matters
Speaker 3: if you can't put the first shot on target. The
Speaker 3: first shot has to be on target every time. So
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Speaker 3: but accuracy is Finally, a simple as that eight six'
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Speaker 3: Set, hey welcome back to Gun, Talk Tom. Greshenvire if
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Speaker 3: Gun it's. Easy we just want to talk about. Anything
Speaker 3: if it's not, guns we'll talk about it. Here one
Speaker 3: of the THINGS i have talked to you about for,
Speaker 3: many many years is that when you start carrying a
Speaker 3: gun for self, protection you need to switch your mindset
Speaker 3: and you need to BECOME i don't, know so you
Speaker 3: have to have an avoidance mechanism there to try to
Speaker 3: avoid these. Situations and there's a story that just popped,
Speaker 3: up AND i just gott to bring In luck McCoy
Speaker 3: FROM Usa Carry. Louke you've put this story out on your,
Speaker 3: website AND i, thought this is the perfect example of
Speaker 3: what we're talking, about isn't it it.
Speaker 11: IS i was LOOKING i covered defensive gun use incidents
Speaker 11: AND i was scrolling and it came across this WHEN
Speaker 11: i almost passed it up because it's not your, typical you,
Speaker 11: know defensive gun.
Speaker 12: Use but there's definitely lessons to learn from.
Speaker 3: It so we got two guys in a line a
Speaker 3: checkout line at a mini mart In, memphis and they
Speaker 3: get into an argument about who should be going first
Speaker 3: in this, line and it turns into a shooting.
Speaker 12: Turns in a.
Speaker 11: Shootout, Yeah man one pulls his shirt up so he
Speaker 11: brandishes that he's got a, gun and then the other
Speaker 11: guy jumps for.
Speaker 12: It they start struggling over the.
Speaker 11: Gun guy number, two his brother comes from, outside pulls his,
Speaker 11: gun starts. Shooting it's not clear whether the the first
Speaker 11: guy shot the other guy while they were in a.
Speaker 12: Fight or the brother might have shot. Him i'm not.
Speaker 12: Sure dels were a little, sketchy but, yeah all that
Speaker 12: over who's going next in?
Speaker 3: Line, yeah you know you're gonna get a bag of
Speaker 3: chips and a coke and you get shot over, it
Speaker 3: and you're going To really WHEN i always tell, people,
Speaker 3: look even if you feel like you're in the right
Speaker 3: and the other person's, wrong there's nothing. Wrong we're, Saying,
Speaker 3: Oh i'm, sorry you go. Ahead not a, problem, Right.
Speaker 12: Yeah just adds a few more.
Speaker 11: MINUTES i, mean, yes you can have all the right
Speaker 11: gear on, you but if you can't check your, ego
Speaker 11: then that's what's gonna fail.
Speaker 3: You it's funny BECAUSE i go to all these shooting,
Speaker 3: schools gunfighting schools at. Everyone the, professionals the people who
Speaker 3: do this for eleven have been doing it for. Decades
Speaker 3: They i'll, say, Look i'll do almost anything to avoid
Speaker 3: getting in a. Fight and these people are really good
Speaker 3: at what they do. Exactly but some people just don't
Speaker 3: seem to have that are you, know what to BE
Speaker 3: i think sometimes they just haven't projected themselves into the
Speaker 3: scenario and, said, okay where could this.
Speaker 4: Lead it's, like, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm going to puff up and you know say, ah, yeah,
Speaker 3: no that's my, place or you can't do that to,
Speaker 3: me and not thinking, that, okay in three steps from,
Speaker 3: now somebody's going to the hospital of the.
Speaker 4: Morgue is that what we want?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 11: RIGHT i, mean that's probably how most of these road
Speaker 11: range INCIDENTS i cover start as probably somebody you know
Speaker 11: swerve into their lane or thinks they're supposed to be
Speaker 11: ahead of somebody, else or and next thing you, know
Speaker 11: you's got another defensive gun USE.
Speaker 3: INCIDENTA i am firmly of the belief that if you
Speaker 3: regularly flip people off while you're, driving you have a
Speaker 3: serious problem that you need to get under control and
Speaker 3: you probably don't need to be carrying a.
Speaker 11: Gun you probably got some angry, issues, YEP i would.
Speaker 12: Assume.
Speaker 4: Yep all, right tell people ABOUT usa carry and what you.
Speaker 12: Do, yeah, Well i've been around since two thousand and.
Speaker 11: Seven we came out WITH Usa carry concealed carry reciprocity,
Speaker 11: maps so you can see what states here you can
Speaker 11: carry them when you're. Traveling lately we cover a lot
Speaker 11: of defensive gun use incidents and firearm news and putting
Speaker 11: out video.
Speaker 12: Content an app.
Speaker 11: Called the Armors, app so it's a firearm, logging maintenance,
Speaker 11: tracking am account app for your.
Speaker 12: Guns something new were working.
Speaker 3: On and then one of the things you, do you
Speaker 3: got the whole flying with guns, then because you do
Speaker 3: a lot of community on the, airlines and you, know
Speaker 3: while on the one, hand flying commercially with guns should
Speaker 3: be easy and often is, easy there are a lot
Speaker 3: of nuances to, it are there?
Speaker 12: Not, yeah every airline could be.
Speaker 11: Different i'm usually flying once a week Between Las Vegas
Speaker 11: airport And New, orleans SO i don't see a lot
Speaker 11: of different airports too, much BUT i have seen some
Speaker 11: over this the past couple of months going To Salt.
Speaker 11: Lake every place has different, policies whether you're bringing it
Speaker 11: TO tfa or they're bringing, it or do you have
Speaker 11: to wait fifteen minutes or.
Speaker 12: Not So, yeah it just all depends for.
Speaker 4: Somebody that hasn't done it.
Speaker 3: Before people get nervous and, say, oh, gum you Know
Speaker 3: i'm going to travel with. Guns i'm gonna fly with.
Speaker 3: Guns what instruction or information do you?
Speaker 11: Offer SO i usually just start with saying when you walk,
Speaker 11: up tell them you're declaring.
Speaker 12: Firearms it's the right. Terminology it kind of tells them
Speaker 12: you know what you're.
Speaker 11: Doing and one of the biggest tips people thanking for
Speaker 11: on my videos are getting a free setex packing slip
Speaker 11: and putting that on your hard side of case to.
Speaker 12: Where you can just put the declaration form on.
Speaker 11: The inside of that instead of them pulling out packing
Speaker 11: tape and taping it.
Speaker 12: Around oh, interesting.
Speaker 11: Sir, YEAH i stole that from somebody years, ago and
Speaker 11: that's my number one.
Speaker 4: Thing that's the stick clear plastic.
Speaker 11: Pouts, yeah can make the transparents just stick the declaration
Speaker 11: card right in, there right and usually they thank you
Speaker 11: for helping them.
Speaker 12: Out that's.
Speaker 3: Terrific, Yeah and the main thing is to know the
Speaker 3: rules the airlines have the information on their websites about
Speaker 3: traveling with. GUNS tsa has the information. There if you
Speaker 3: follow the, rules and if you are, pleasant you, know
Speaker 3: and not, confrontational even if they say something you're thinking
Speaker 3: that's not, right if it's not a big, deal just
Speaker 3: go with the flow and.
Speaker 4: Let it happen.
Speaker 12: Exactly it usually goes. SMOOTHLY i try not to be
Speaker 12: argumentative when it.
Speaker 11: Happens i've got it on video a few times WHERE
Speaker 11: i was arguing with them AND i had the one
Speaker 11: that letting them see inside my case for no, reason
Speaker 11: SO i didn't win in the. End the manager didn't
Speaker 11: want to see their guidelines WHEN i was showing them to.
Speaker 12: Her nobody wants to be, wrong so.
Speaker 11: And you either you, know you could either want to
Speaker 11: be right or.
Speaker 12: You can miss your flight or right.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah because they do have the ability to say
Speaker 3: you're not flying right.
Speaker 12: Now, yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly so there it is all, Right, well, OKAY i appreciate.
Speaker 3: It and, LOOK i just saw the. STORY i thought
Speaker 3: we got to get you on to talk about. This
Speaker 3: it's another opportunity to say you need to change your,
Speaker 3: attitude you need to be like mister meek and mister
Speaker 3: mild and not take the, bait and certainly not be
Speaker 3: the one who's flipping people off and honking your, horn
Speaker 3: because you're going to spark the road.
Speaker 4: Rage and while you Think.
Speaker 3: I'm going to show them by you, know showing them
Speaker 3: That i'm, mad they may show you by shooting you
Speaker 3: between the.
Speaker 4: Eyes.
Speaker 11: Yeah they might be a little bit crazier than.
Speaker 12: You so there's.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i always, say you never know what has
Speaker 3: happened in that person's, life and you're catching them at
Speaker 3: the perfect wrong, time and they're going to take it
Speaker 3: out on. You look McCoy FROM usa, CARRY i appreciate.
Speaker 12: It, Sir thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Good information. There just look at this crazy.
Speaker 3: Story two people get into an argument over their place
Speaker 3: and line at them anymore ends up being. Shooting you
Speaker 3: don't know who that person as he bumps into, you he, says,
Speaker 3: hey what are you? Doing and you respond in some
Speaker 3: of kind and all of a sudden you're off with the. Racist,
Speaker 3: really the problem, IS i think if you haven't thought
Speaker 3: about it ahead of, time if you haven't planned your,
Speaker 3: reaction you who knows what you're gonna. Happen you don't
Speaker 3: know how you're gonna. React if you have rehearsed it
Speaker 3: sitting in your big easy chair at. Home if this,
Speaker 3: HAPPENS i will do, this and you've gone over there
Speaker 3: a few, times that is how you. React you, go,
Speaker 3: Oh i'm, sure, sorry, here you go, Ahead i'm not
Speaker 3: in a, Hurry go, ahead big. Deal if the person
Speaker 3: insists on you're puffing, up back, away turn, around simply
Speaker 3: walk away if at all. POSSIBLE i, mean, LOOK i get.
Speaker 3: It there could be a scenario where you just. Can't
Speaker 3: guy's not gonna let. You but try to find a
Speaker 3: way out of, it for one, thing and this gets
Speaker 3: you into a whole different. Place if it turns out
Speaker 3: to be, that you've got to end up using yourself defense.
Speaker 3: Firearm if other people have seen you trying to disengage
Speaker 3: and de escalate along the, way they will be able
Speaker 3: to tell the police officers, that, oh, yeah this guy
Speaker 3: was just going at, him and this is this other
Speaker 3: fella talk about. You he was trying to get out
Speaker 3: of and he's, apologized he was backing, up he said
Speaker 3: you go, ahead you, know and then this guy just
Speaker 3: wouldn't let. Him, well you are building a force of
Speaker 3: support for. Yourself so this one is interesting story in
Speaker 3: of all. Places The New York times title of it
Speaker 3: is shooting ranges go, quiet luxury and, LOOK i get.
Speaker 3: It you're you're gonna, say, well we already knew, That
Speaker 3: yes we, did but they just discovered. It they're talking
Speaker 3: about shooting ranges that are, upscale what we have called country,
Speaker 3: clubs and they're talking about one In Los. Angeles it's
Speaker 3: called The. Range it's membership only gun. Club IT'S i,
Speaker 3: mean it's, fancy really, nice and people come. In they
Speaker 3: can bring their own, guns they can rent, guns their.
Speaker 3: Instructors it's, plush and memberships can run thirty five hundred
Speaker 3: to fifty five.
Speaker 4: Hundred dollars a. Year what is interesting about?
Speaker 3: This and let me back up to my, knowledge the
Speaker 3: first country club like this was The Scottsdale Gun club In, Scottsdale.
Speaker 3: Arizona it was and is a really top right. One
Speaker 3: The Centennial Gun club In denver is really. Good there
Speaker 3: are a number of them, around AND i get.
Speaker 4: It some people are, saying, really thirty five hundred dollars
Speaker 4: a year to go to a shooting. RANGE i get.
Speaker 3: It you've been going to a gravel pit with a
Speaker 3: burn barrel and it doesn't cost you. Anything and you
Speaker 3: can't imagine doing. That and yet there is an entire
Speaker 3: group of, people a. Demographic they can't imagine going to
Speaker 3: a gravel pit for a. Barnborough they're not going to do.
Speaker 3: That they're used to going to a golf country club
Speaker 3: and paying five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars a year
Speaker 3: for the membership and don't think anything about. It and, you,
Speaker 3: YEAH i hear you, saying, well that's not. Me, OKAY
Speaker 3: i got to understand. It but understand this when it
Speaker 3: comes to changing public. Perception how many times have you
Speaker 3: heard me talk about? This when it comes to changing public,
Speaker 3: Perception the people who go to a guntry club who
Speaker 3: can spend that kind of, money have. Influence they're having
Speaker 3: lunch with the, mayor they're having lunch with the. Governor
Speaker 3: these are people who are working in a different world
Speaker 3: and look not to priests, prejudge but that may be
Speaker 3: you what this really. Is we talk about this concept
Speaker 3: of The overton, window and that is The overton window
Speaker 3: is things that are actionable that the public will. Accept,
Speaker 3: well there was a time when maybe shooting wasn't something
Speaker 3: that the public was generally going to. Accept when you
Speaker 3: have people going to a country club and they have
Speaker 3: memberships that call it five thousand dollars a, year and
Speaker 3: they are sold out and there's a waiting, list and
Speaker 3: they have babysitting services at the shooting. Range and here's
Speaker 3: the place where people. GO i had a young couple, say,
Speaker 3: yeah we went there on our first. Date it becomes
Speaker 3: a place where young people want to go to take
Speaker 3: somebody on their first. Date or that's where he proposed to.
Speaker 3: Me you're changing what the public perceives and what the
Speaker 3: public accepts and what becomes. Normalized that this is an
Speaker 3: article in The New York. Times it's just one more tick,
Speaker 3: mark one more data point in the changing landscape and
Speaker 3: the broad based acceptance of, shooting of gun, ownership of
Speaker 3: the shooting, sports and of self protection with guns across
Speaker 3: the board that people are doing all across the. Country
Speaker 3: people are accepting it and understanding. It you, know if
Speaker 3: you want to weigh in on, this by all, means
Speaker 3: give me a holler phone. Number here Is Tom talk
Speaker 3: gun when you and, LOOK i get. IT a lot
Speaker 3: of us grew up going to a gravel. PIT i certainly.
Speaker 3: Did have you been to one of these? Places have
Speaker 3: you been to one of these upscale shooting ranges where
Speaker 3: you walk in you go. WOW i remember going to
Speaker 3: one In. FLORIDA i can't remember where it, was but
Speaker 3: this was fifteen years. AGO i walked in and, said,
Speaker 3: man this looks like An apple. Store it was fancy
Speaker 3: and nice with computer targets and you could shoot targets
Speaker 3: and electronically scored and set up there where you could
Speaker 3: actually send it from the shooting. Station from the booth
Speaker 3: where you're, shooting you could send the image of your
Speaker 3: targets to somebody through social. Media set up that, way,
Speaker 3: well they are appealing not only to a different group of,
Speaker 3: people but to a wider group of, people bringing more
Speaker 3: people into this shooting sports. Life To coiner, phrase since
Speaker 3: that's the name of our NEW tv, Network shooting Sports,
Speaker 3: life it's a, lifestyle or the tagline for our new
Speaker 3: channel is where freedom is a.
Speaker 4: Lifestyle and it is you think about the.
Speaker 3: Shooting part of it is about. Freedom it's about protecting.
Speaker 3: Yourself it's about AND i sometimes will mock the idea
Speaker 3: of people want to feel safe as opposed to being.
Speaker 3: Safe you know, what if they feel safe because they
Speaker 3: are in fact, safe because they have taken steps to protect.
Speaker 3: Themselves they're taking charge of their own, Safety they're not
Speaker 3: outsourcing their. Safety those are people now who will turn
Speaker 3: around and tell other, people you, know you ought to
Speaker 3: come out to the shooting range with, me come on out.
Speaker 4: Here different group of. People that's good because we have
Speaker 4: the core.
Speaker 3: Group the more people we bring into the shooting, sports
Speaker 3: the more people we bring into the world of gun.
Speaker 4: Ownership AND i get. It not everybody is.
Speaker 3: Going to become a Staunt Second amendment, advocate but they
Speaker 3: also are not going to be talking about those, people
Speaker 3: which is us because they become those.
Speaker 4: People and even if you got half of.
Speaker 3: Them to Become Second amendment supporters where they weren't, before that's.
Speaker 4: Big broadening the.
Speaker 3: Appeal making it easy for people to get involved in
Speaker 3: this is. Important it is part of our. Activism are
Speaker 3: one on one. Activism it doesn't have to be at
Speaker 3: a country. Club it can be wherever you. Go it
Speaker 3: can be just inviting a friend to. Go you, know
Speaker 3: WHAT i have found is that so often WHEN i
Speaker 3: mentioned THAT i like to shoot or like to go
Speaker 3: to the, RANGE i get a positive reaction for. People
Speaker 3: PEOPLE i don't. Know it could be your, doctor your
Speaker 3: dentist or. Whatever and if you, will if it's comfortable for,
Speaker 3: you can follow that up with. Me would you like
Speaker 3: to go to the range with me? Sometime you'd be.
Speaker 3: AMAZED a survey THAT nssf did said that half the
Speaker 3: women surveyed said that if they were invited to go,
Speaker 3: shooting they would. Go imagine, that not people at, range
Speaker 3: people just generally, speaking people who are, posed women who
Speaker 3: are polled said that if someone invited them to go,
Speaker 3: shooting they would. Go why are we not inviting? Them
Speaker 3: because once we get them, there they're gonna have. Fun
Speaker 3: we're gonna make sure they have. Fun were to give
Speaker 3: them the right, Gun we're gonna have them shoot close.
Speaker 3: Up we're gonna ensure that they have, success and they're
Speaker 3: gonna come away get. Thinking, man that was. GREAT i
Speaker 3: like to do that. Again you know WHAT i call?
Speaker 4: THAT i call that. Winning, well it's that time of year.
Speaker 4: Again something. Else it's.
Speaker 3: Summertime it's hot and a lot of parts of the
Speaker 3: country entry really really. Hot had a buddy down In Lake, Hasty.
Speaker 3: Arizona he sent me a note yesterday, says, yeah it's
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen here at the. Moment what one
Speaker 3: hundred and. Thirteen how do you do? That, well let's
Speaker 3: talk about shooting when it's that, hot going to the.
Speaker 3: Range first of, all get up really really really, early
Speaker 3: and go early. Early try to be down by ten
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock if you can. Hydrate of, course electrolytes are
Speaker 3: key in. This just pure water is not. Enough, actually
Speaker 3: too much water can kill. YOU i didn't know if
Speaker 3: you know, that you gotta have some electrolytes in, there
Speaker 3: whether you're mixing in with your water or maybe like
Speaker 3: doing A gator eight every.
Speaker 5: Third bottle of.
Speaker 3: Water my deal has always been when we've got OUR
Speaker 3: tv crews, out all the camper guys, out and everybody's,
Speaker 3: hot we got. Water here's our simple. Rule when you
Speaker 3: take a water bottle out of the, cooler you take
Speaker 3: the top, off you throw away the, top you can't
Speaker 3: put it back. On you take the top, off you
Speaker 3: drink it all. Period just drink. It you got, it
Speaker 3: and then within an hour you gotta do it. Again
Speaker 3: so what about your?
Speaker 4: Guns, yeah two.
Speaker 3: Things one is if they're sitting out in the, sun
Speaker 3: like AN ar fifteen or. Something you may have experienced.
Speaker 3: This they can get so hot sitting out there that
Speaker 3: you can't pick them up black gun in the, sun
Speaker 3: you might want to take a, towel like a white.
Speaker 3: Towel i've done this and draped it over the guns
Speaker 3: when they're laying on a. Table it actually works really
Speaker 3: well keep them cool. Down, SO i, mean it depends
Speaker 3: on your, range what the setup is and all. THAT
Speaker 3: i get, That but just in terms of being aware
Speaker 3: of the fact that everything can get really. Hot, actually
Speaker 3: when you got a round, chambered the gun could be
Speaker 3: so hot you can end up with excess pressure because
Speaker 3: everything is hotter in. There one other, thing when you're
Speaker 3: shooting your, handgun if you're doing, manipulations you're, drawing you're
Speaker 3: shooting and that kind of, thing and it's hot and
Speaker 3: you're outside and you're, sweating there is the very real
Speaker 3: possibility of dropping your. Gun you draw your gun out
Speaker 3: of your holster and as it's coming, out you fumble,
Speaker 3: it it slips in your. Hand you got sweaty. Hands
Speaker 3: and this you have to have put into your head
Speaker 3: before you get. There AND i, mean like really put
Speaker 3: this into your. Head you do not try to catch
Speaker 3: a falling. Gun let it hit, then let it hit the. Ground,
Speaker 3: yeah but that's my five. THOUSAND i don't care what it.
Speaker 3: COSTS i don't care if it's finally. ENGRAVED i don't
Speaker 3: care if it's got the best polish. EVER a gunsmith
Speaker 3: can make those. Repairs there is a not insignificant chance
Speaker 3: that when you try to catch a pistol that has
Speaker 3: slipped out of your, hands a finger or a thumb
Speaker 3: will go into the trigger guard and pull the, trigger
Speaker 3: and you don't know which direction the muscle is. Pointed
Speaker 3: the chance of it going off when it hits the
Speaker 3: ground is exceedingly. Small most guns just simply don't go
Speaker 3: off when you drop. THEM i, mean It's i'm not
Speaker 3: gonna say it's some, impossible but it's so rare as
Speaker 3: to be. Insignificant but when you try to catch a,
Speaker 3: gun and, look here's the, THING i, understand it comes
Speaker 3: out of your. Hands if what is your instinct you've
Speaker 3: got to reach out there and grab it or hit the.
Speaker 3: Ground you have to have put it in your head
Speaker 3: ahead of time and think about. It if a gun
Speaker 3: comes out of my, Hands i'm just gonna let it,
Speaker 3: Go just let it. Go and we've done this over
Speaker 3: and over again with blue. Guns you, know drop, them
Speaker 3: have them flipped around try to grab, them AND i don't,
Speaker 3: know two times out of, ten one time out of,
Speaker 3: ten whatever it, is a thumb or a finger goes
Speaker 3: into that trigger guard where it'd be on the, trigger
Speaker 3: and the gun's pointed at the guy who's trying to catch.
Speaker 3: It SO i just offered that as up your summer safety. Tip,
Speaker 3: guns get, hot, hands get, sweaty be, aware take, breaks
Speaker 3: because if you're tired and fatigued and heat, exhausted you're also.
Speaker 3: Unsafe it may not be making good decisions. There you
Speaker 3: go and keep an eye on your buddies out. There
Speaker 3: if they start to.
Speaker 4: Look, bad get them cool down and get them into some.
Speaker 4: Shade