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Speaker 3: All right, we're back with you here, Tom Gresham, give
me a call it. We'll call me Tom Talk Gun.
That's the easiest way to remember the phone number. Of course,
this is gun Talk. Glad you're with us. Love to
get your range reports. If you've been out to the
arrange doing little shooting, what'd you take and how'd the
shooting go?
Speaker 4: Give me a holler now.
Speaker 3: Of course, we're in this crazy age of all sorts
of new products and new technologies, and.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a great time.
Speaker 3: We've got really great guns and really good optics in
the electro optic world has frankly changed the way we
look at guns. Joining me right now, John Bailey from Eotech. John,
I'm just looking at your website right now. Eotech Man,
you guys have got some of the coolest stuff out there.
You're not only are you have good stuff, you explain it, well, well.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Yeah, we've over the years, we've really evolved.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: We're excited to kind of get into new things and
I think we'll talk about it. But we're not just
a holographic site anymore. Although that's still our bread and
butter and it's doing incredibly well. But we wanted to
provide products for all kinds of shooters and I think
we have.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you got everything from scopes to lasers, to
the holographic to suppressors. That's all over the place. Are
we at this point just you're obviously you're in the
business and you make this stuff. But I'm thinking we
are well past the point of anybody actually thinking do
red dot sites or do optics make a difference?
Speaker 4: Are we passed?
Speaker 5: Uh? I think people see it immediately.
Speaker 6: We're we're a very visual company, especially to explain to
holographic you know, product, it's it's visual.
Speaker 5: But once you see in a red dots in the
same in the same boat.
Speaker 6: But once you see our radical on a holographics, it
will blow away any old school iron sights, you know,
where you have to line things up and then change
your focus to your target and confirmed by bringing your
focus back. All of those things are are just slow
and harder to holographic, you know, holographic site or red dot.
You know, it's really point and shoot, it's immediate, it's
really fast on follow ups. It's so people that have
been shooting, if they've been shooting iron sights, I think
that they see, you know, something more uh technologically advanced,
like the red dot or holographic site. They will see
a difference immediately. And hopefully the beginners that are getting
into the industry are seeing those same optics friends or
trainers firearms and getting into the iron sight stuff, because
it's just that they're eventually going to get into the tech.
Speaker 5: Stuff and go through that pain.
Speaker 3: Right, what's the difference between a red dot and a
holographic site?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, how much time?
Speaker 3: You got to make it short because I have a
short attention span.
Speaker 6: Holography doesn't compromise on anything. So it uses a laser
diode compared to an LED, and what we're able to
do is create any radical image that we want, and
we found the circle dot provides the most speed and
the most accuracy, because with holography, the main advantage in
my mind is the dot is a laser, so it's
a two point source, so it is ridiculously small, smaller
than you and I can really see, so we see
it as one mla.
Speaker 5: So you have a very.
Speaker 6: Fine, crisp dot for more precise shooting a distance, but
you have the ring that gets you on target faster
than what a dot would individually, so there's no compromise.
You're on target faster, and especially because of a rectangular
heads up display type window. But for distance a little
longer shooting, you have more accuracy because the dot is smaller,
and the second biggest advantage with that dot being a
laser diode, So when you put a magnifier behind it,
the dot is still because it's so small.
Speaker 5: Even magnified, it's still.
Speaker 6: Less than one ma, so you and I are still
only seeing that at one ma with a magnifier. So
you maintain or actually gain more accuracy with a magnifier.
Where's a red dot, you're growing that dot and your target.
Speaker 5: At the same rate.
Speaker 6: Not much at advantage there compared to holography, So that's
all right.
Speaker 5: That's the biggest advantage.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are the technological wizards here. Explain the
difference between you closed emitter and an opening mitter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we started with an opening minter and that's
when we got into it. That's kind of what the
space was for pistol optics. If an opening minter is
basically one piece of glass with a little well behind
the battery cap essentially, and that's where your LED diode is,
and that diode projects the light up against that window
and actually it reflects back, so you're able to see
that red dot and it works great. They there's tons
of them. Our reflex is one of the best ones
out there. But what happens is if you get into
some weather or you get dust or debris or anything
like that, it could sometimes cover that LED or block
that LED. And if you don't have that, you don't
have a dot. You know, you know, you're not able
to shoot. So closed emitters essentially enclose that diode, so
they have two pieces of glass and it protects that
LED from being you know, covered or even damage.
Speaker 5: So we're seeing a lot more.
Speaker 6: I think it was really driven by law enforcement and
even some military stuff.
Speaker 5: It's you know, they certainly can't have can't afford to
have that happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got dirty, dusty, rainy environments and they can't
have the loss of their site.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 6: So all it does is take that that possibility out
of the equation, you know, and a lot of times
that it makes the housing a little bit bigger than
an open emitter, and that probably provides a little extra
durability and things like that that they certainly need as well.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a weather sealed system.
Speaker 3: Not that the weather is going to knock out an
open emitter, but if you get rain and dust and
stuff on there, now it's going to I mean, you
got basically rain drops or whatever it is, it can
mess up your view or as you say, it could
even cover up the emitter entirely.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 6: Even a simple rain drop or a you know, sweat
or something like that can completely distort You might still
see the dot, but it can completely distort it and
make it unusable. So, uh, it really is kind of important,
you know, if you're gonna just go to the range
and plink and things like that, and open emitter is
really everything you need. But if you're going to use
it for training or professional use, or if you carry gun, yeah, yeah, exactly,
rely on it for a home defense or carry gun
closed demitter.
Speaker 5: You know, it just takes away, you know, some of
those possibilities.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking at your option to You got the
e flex and the Eflex CE for closed demitter, and
it's about one hundred hundred and twenty bucks more for
the closed emitter in the And I'm just thinking in
the greater scheme of things, if you had dollars or dollars,
but if you say, okay, I expect this thing to
last me ten years easy, which it should, you advertise
that out. You can never find the difference. So just
get the one that you feel like you want.
Speaker 6: No, I think you're right on right there. There are
added features to this CE that will make your spend
more justified. You know, there's shake Awake, there's switchable radicals,
there's an integrated rear backup iron sight. So we added
some more bells and whistles to it that again will
help with carry issues and you know home defense that
shake awake is really nice when something goes bumping the
night and you want to grab your pistol and automatically
pops right right on and ready to go.
Speaker 5: So there are extra features that kind of justify that
extra spend, all right.
Speaker 4: And we can mention as we've just run by it.
Speaker 3: You've got holographic sites for your ars and whatever other
kind of rifles you have. But I want to bounce down.
You've gotten into suppressures in a big way with some
really interesting technology.
Speaker 5: Everybody's getting into them.
Speaker 6: The removal of the tax stamp was a you know,
a big motivator for a lot of people to get
into it. We've never kind of, you know, shared this publicly.
I've been with Eotech for over twenty years, and my
my goal has always been that Eotech owns the gun,
not necessarily making guns, but we want to be.
Speaker 5: Every every piece in equipment on the guns.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, we do holographic sites, we do magnifiers like
you mentioned, we do magnified scopes, we have our OGL laser. Yeah,
So it just made sense that we would have another
component that we could be part of, and suppressors was
the logical choice. So we created the Decibel the DCBL suppressor.
It's a three D printed grade five titanium, really nice suppressor.
We offer it in three oh eight five five six
and a nine milimeter that's designed specifically for PCC guns.
Speaker 5: And they are great suppressors.
Speaker 6: They have a really nice sound, takes into account in
the design, and the monolithic core takes into account all
the back pressure and things like that. That so it
makes for a really smooth shooting gun and eliminates a
lot of that recoil. So we're really happy with it.
We went after kind of the sound aspect of.
Speaker 5: It rather than the weight. Usually when you go after
and try to reduce weight.
Speaker 6: You kind of have a little bit more sound, and
sure we're hoping more of a comfortable shooting.
Speaker 3: It's a give or take deal. You can go real lightweight,
but it's going to become louder, you know. It's we
unders said. Let me just tell you congratulations to you guys.
You have the most useful and best set of FAQs.
Frequently ask questions on suppressors and all the rest of
stuff on your website.
Speaker 4: I mean, if anybody needs to know anything about.
Speaker 3: Suppressors, how do they work, how loud are they, how
much do they help? What's the thread pitch? How do
I attach it to my gun? What's the lifespan? Just
goes on and on and on. Whoever did this did
a happinous job.
Speaker 5: Man, Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I contributed quite a bit to it, and it was
you know, I have several suppressors myself, and when we
got into it, I thought about, you know, what our
consumers and customer is going to call us for and
ask us.
Speaker 5: Because we're new to the game.
Speaker 6: So we came up with that entire list and hopefully
that you know, solves a lot of people's questions and
doesn't require a phone call to our customer service.
Speaker 5: But certainly they can they can get into more.
Speaker 3: But it's like the pressure one on one school. It
is great what you've done here.
Speaker 5: Good, thank you. Yeah, no, I think it's helpful.
Speaker 6: It educates the consumer hopefully, uh you know, they go
in with a more confident buying experience.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're happy with it.
Speaker 6: And it's probably not even complete, you know, there's probably
still more to add to it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you'll be had to, all right.
Speaker 3: So the obvious question that you get all the time,
and even if it's not said out loud, it's said
in somebody's mind. They're looking at your your optics, your
pistol optics.
Speaker 4: You say, Okay, you know, yeah, Okay, I could buy.
Speaker 3: A pistol optic for less than this, why should I
buy an eotech?
Speaker 5: The answers always are testing in our quality.
Speaker 6: So most of our products are all like the holographic
sites and the magnifiers, our pistol sites, our ogl are
all manufactured, assembled, tested in Plymouth, Michigan in USA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think that's a big, big difference.
Speaker 6: And we've always had incredible testing machines and protocols and
all of that stuff, to the point where for our
holographic site, when we started that and had the contract
with Socom, Socom wanted to replicate our testing systems because
we were so.
Speaker 5: Good at it.
Speaker 6: So we put all of our products, whether it's you know,
rifle scopes or or you know, holographic sites through the
same thing, and we put them through all the environmentals.
Speaker 5: We put them through shock and recoil and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: So I think when we designed something and we eventually
get to market, it's already proven where I think a
lot of others, especially things that may have come from overseas,
kind of come cookie cutter and.
Speaker 5: You know you're gonna eventually probably have some issues.
Speaker 6: So I think that's the big difference between other than
like technology that people can't do like holography. I think
it comes down to the testing and the quality before
the product gets in the hands of the shooter.
Speaker 3: Well, and one other thing. You mentioned it, but you
went by it in a hurry. I want to mention
it again, made in America, by Americans, and that's huge
when it comes to the optics world.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it really is. You know, not too many
people can do it, and every day we do it.
It's really really hard. But I think that carries a
lot of weight, especially for professional users, and when professional
users use their stuff, that trickles down to everybody else.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of our mantra.
Speaker 3: We obviously people could take a look at Eotechinciinc.
Speaker 4: Dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thing for you, you got the floor. You're going
to tell somebody this is what you really need to
know about Eotech, the company and the people.
Speaker 6: You are just a great group of people. There's an
incredible culture here. Everybody likes really what they're doing. It's
it's fun. It's a fun environment. We you know, we
are getting into new products and new product categories, so
I think that's exciting for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: You know, there's some that have always just been.
Speaker 6: One trick pony, and we were for a long time
with the holographic site, but we brought in people that
are experts and magnified rifle scopes. We brought people in
that our experts in the laser systems.
Speaker 5: And night vision and thermal and really kind of created
a really cool, nicely you know, tight fit group. And
it's just, you know, you can.
Speaker 6: Just tell that people have fun and enjoy what they're
doing and like to come up with new products and
like to get out on the range and like to
go train with people, and it's it's just it's fun.
It's hard to h it's just it's a great environment.
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't even talk about your line of rifle scopes.
Speaker 3: They're very cool. I encourage people to go take a
look at eotech Inc. Dot com. Jo, thank you so
much for your time.
Speaker 5: All right, Tom, I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Another example things we talk about. This one just popped
up the news as I'm doing the show. A man
allegedly struck and killed another man with a baseball bat
and a roads raid attack roads rage attack on the
belt Parkway in Queens Road Rage. I said this before
and I'm not sure it's really making much of an impact.
Speaker 4: But look, here's the deal. Don't get out of your car.
Speaker 3: Don't flip people off in your car when you're driving,
don't be honking your horn at people, check your ego,
slow it down, put.
Speaker 4: On classical music if you have to.
Speaker 3: If you get into a situation where you're stopped and
somebody's pounding on your car, don't get out. Don't try
to prove to them that you're right and they're wrong.
You have no idea what this person is all about.
Whether he's just crazy, or he's suicidal, or he's just
committed murder and killed his wife and kids, or he's
just decided he's not going back to jail again.
Speaker 5: Or whatever.
Speaker 3: You just don't know. Remember, he's not like you. There's
a good chance this person is not like you. And
so how do you get out of a situation like that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Apologize when no apologize, apology is warranted. I am sure sorry,
Oh man, are you guys okay? I am really yeah,
I know, I know, I'm sorry. What do we need
to do or just not get out of the car.
If you had an accident, you got to deal with it.
You cannot assume that everybody's working on the same wavelength
that you are. Just again, get your mind right. Don't
put yourself into a position where somebody could do something
savagely violent to you unexpectedly. All right, Just got this
email during the show from Will in Orgon. He says,
my carry guns are a pair of Ruger LCP two
pistols and twenty two long rifle. He's carrying two guns,
each of them in twenty two long rifle, he says,
with one in the chamber and a ten round mag.
They provide me with twenty two shots. So he's got
two guns. He's got twenty two shots between them, he says,
with five extra mags, I have seventy two shots on board.
And here's just thinking behind it. He says, I hit
with a twenty two is better than I miss with
a forty five. He says, by the way, with these guns,
I can hit the side of a two by four
at twenty five yards. What do you think of a
super compact pistol and twenty two rim fire as your
carry gun? Clearly Will can shoot. He's a volunteer at
the local shooting range, and he's thought it through. He's
got two of these on him at any given time.
Just I don't know, wonder what you think of food
for thought. There there's really no right or wrong to
all this. The main thing is can you make hits?
And trust me, that's more main thing than your times
on your timer. And I know, I know everybody wants
to show their cool split times and their draw times.
And I got a one second draw on you know,
my Instagram channel looking great. Fine, None of it matters
if you can't put the first shot on target. The
first shot has to be on target every time. So
the people I know, the real pros, the people who
actually have been in gunfights. You watch them and they'll
draw fast, and then they take that split second, maybe
a little breath, and then press the trigger. It's not
a drawschoote networks finding competition where or the stakes are
simply that you don't score as highly as you would
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not going to the morg or to the hospital. You draw,
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Speaker 4: Here we'll see it just a.
Speaker 3: Set, hey welcome back to Gun, Talk Tom. Greshenvire if
you want to join, us give me a Call Tom Talk.
Gun it's. Easy we just want to talk about. Anything
if it's not, guns we'll talk about it. Here one
of the THINGS i have talked to you about for,
many many years is that when you start carrying a
gun for self, protection you need to switch your mindset
and you need to BECOME i don't, know so you
have to have an avoidance mechanism there to try to
avoid these. Situations and there's a story that just popped,
up AND i just gott to bring In luck McCoy
FROM Usa Carry. Louke you've put this story out on your,
website AND i, thought this is the perfect example of
what we're talking, about isn't it it.
Speaker 11: IS i was LOOKING i covered defensive gun use incidents
AND i was scrolling and it came across this WHEN
i almost passed it up because it's not your, typical you,
know defensive gun.
Speaker 12: Use but there's definitely lessons to learn from.
Speaker 3: It so we got two guys in a line a
checkout line at a mini mart In, memphis and they
get into an argument about who should be going first
in this, line and it turns into a shooting.
Speaker 12: Turns in a.
Speaker 11: Shootout, Yeah man one pulls his shirt up so he
brandishes that he's got a, gun and then the other
guy jumps for.
Speaker 12: It they start struggling over the.
Speaker 11: Gun guy number, two his brother comes from, outside pulls his,
gun starts. Shooting it's not clear whether the the first
guy shot the other guy while they were in a.
Speaker 12: Fight or the brother might have shot. Him i'm not.
Sure dels were a little, sketchy but, yeah all that
over who's going next in?
Speaker 3: Line, yeah you know you're gonna get a bag of
chips and a coke and you get shot over, it
and you're going To really WHEN i always tell, people,
look even if you feel like you're in the right
and the other person's, wrong there's nothing. Wrong we're, Saying,
Oh i'm, sorry you go. Ahead not a, problem, Right.
Speaker 12: Yeah just adds a few more.
Speaker 11: MINUTES i, mean, yes you can have all the right
gear on, you but if you can't check your, ego
then that's what's gonna fail.
Speaker 3: You it's funny BECAUSE i go to all these shooting,
schools gunfighting schools at. Everyone the, professionals the people who
do this for eleven have been doing it for. Decades
They i'll, say, Look i'll do almost anything to avoid
getting in a. Fight and these people are really good
at what they do. Exactly but some people just don't
seem to have that are you, know what to BE
i think sometimes they just haven't projected themselves into the
scenario and, said, okay where could this.
Speaker 4: Lead it's, like, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm going to puff up and you know say, ah, yeah,
no that's my, place or you can't do that to,
me and not thinking, that, okay in three steps from,
now somebody's going to the hospital of the.
Speaker 4: Morgue is that what we want?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 11: RIGHT i, mean that's probably how most of these road
range INCIDENTS i cover start as probably somebody you know
swerve into their lane or thinks they're supposed to be
ahead of somebody, else or and next thing you, know
you's got another defensive gun USE.
Speaker 3: INCIDENTA i am firmly of the belief that if you
regularly flip people off while you're, driving you have a
serious problem that you need to get under control and
you probably don't need to be carrying a.
Speaker 11: Gun you probably got some angry, issues, YEP i would.
Speaker 12: Assume.
Speaker 4: Yep all, right tell people ABOUT usa carry and what you.
Speaker 12: Do, yeah, Well i've been around since two thousand and.
Speaker 11: Seven we came out WITH Usa carry concealed carry reciprocity,
maps so you can see what states here you can
carry them when you're. Traveling lately we cover a lot
of defensive gun use incidents and firearm news and putting
out video.
Speaker 12: Content an app.
Speaker 11: Called the Armors, app so it's a firearm, logging maintenance,
tracking am account app for your.
Speaker 12: Guns something new were working.
Speaker 3: On and then one of the things you, do you
got the whole flying with guns, then because you do
a lot of community on the, airlines and you, know
while on the one, hand flying commercially with guns should
be easy and often is, easy there are a lot
of nuances to, it are there?
Speaker 12: Not, yeah every airline could be.
Speaker 11: Different i'm usually flying once a week Between Las Vegas
airport And New, orleans SO i don't see a lot
of different airports too, much BUT i have seen some
over this the past couple of months going To Salt.
Lake every place has different, policies whether you're bringing it
TO tfa or they're bringing, it or do you have
to wait fifteen minutes or.
Speaker 12: Not So, yeah it just all depends for.
Speaker 4: Somebody that hasn't done it.
Speaker 3: Before people get nervous and, say, oh, gum you Know
i'm going to travel with. Guns i'm gonna fly with.
Guns what instruction or information do you?
Speaker 11: Offer SO i usually just start with saying when you walk,
up tell them you're declaring.
Speaker 12: Firearms it's the right. Terminology it kind of tells them
you know what you're.
Speaker 11: Doing and one of the biggest tips people thanking for
on my videos are getting a free setex packing slip
and putting that on your hard side of case to.
Speaker 12: Where you can just put the declaration form on.
Speaker 11: The inside of that instead of them pulling out packing
tape and taping it.
Speaker 12: Around oh, interesting.
Speaker 11: Sir, YEAH i stole that from somebody years, ago and
that's my number one.
Speaker 4: Thing that's the stick clear plastic.
Speaker 11: Pouts, yeah can make the transparents just stick the declaration
card right in, there right and usually they thank you
for helping them.
Speaker 12: Out that's.
Speaker 3: Terrific, Yeah and the main thing is to know the
rules the airlines have the information on their websites about
traveling with. GUNS tsa has the information. There if you
follow the, rules and if you are, pleasant you, know
and not, confrontational even if they say something you're thinking
that's not, right if it's not a big, deal just
go with the flow and.
Speaker 4: Let it happen.
Speaker 12: Exactly it usually goes. SMOOTHLY i try not to be
argumentative when it.
Speaker 11: Happens i've got it on video a few times WHERE
i was arguing with them AND i had the one
that letting them see inside my case for no, reason
SO i didn't win in the. End the manager didn't
want to see their guidelines WHEN i was showing them to.
Speaker 12: Her nobody wants to be, wrong so.
Speaker 11: And you either you, know you could either want to
be right or.
Speaker 12: You can miss your flight or right.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah because they do have the ability to say
you're not flying right.
Speaker 12: Now, yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly so there it is all, Right, well, OKAY i appreciate.
It and, LOOK i just saw the. STORY i thought
we got to get you on to talk about. This
it's another opportunity to say you need to change your,
attitude you need to be like mister meek and mister
mild and not take the, bait and certainly not be
the one who's flipping people off and honking your, horn
because you're going to spark the road.
Speaker 4: Rage and while you Think.
Speaker 3: I'm going to show them by you, know showing them
That i'm, mad they may show you by shooting you
between the.
Speaker 4: Eyes.
Speaker 11: Yeah they might be a little bit crazier than.
Speaker 12: You so there's.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i always, say you never know what has
happened in that person's, life and you're catching them at
the perfect wrong, time and they're going to take it
out on. You look McCoy FROM usa, CARRY i appreciate.
Speaker 12: It, Sir thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Good information. There just look at this crazy.
Speaker 3: Story two people get into an argument over their place
and line at them anymore ends up being. Shooting you
don't know who that person as he bumps into, you he, says,
hey what are you? Doing and you respond in some
of kind and all of a sudden you're off with the. Racist,
really the problem, IS i think if you haven't thought
about it ahead of, time if you haven't planned your,
reaction you who knows what you're gonna. Happen you don't
know how you're gonna. React if you have rehearsed it
sitting in your big easy chair at. Home if this,
HAPPENS i will do, this and you've gone over there
a few, times that is how you. React you, go,
Oh i'm, sure, sorry, here you go, Ahead i'm not
in a, Hurry go, ahead big. Deal if the person
insists on you're puffing, up back, away turn, around simply
walk away if at all. POSSIBLE i, mean, LOOK i get.
It there could be a scenario where you just. Can't
guy's not gonna let. You but try to find a
way out of, it for one, thing and this gets
you into a whole different. Place if it turns out
to be, that you've got to end up using yourself defense.
Firearm if other people have seen you trying to disengage
and de escalate along the, way they will be able
to tell the police officers, that, oh, yeah this guy
was just going at, him and this is this other
fella talk about. You he was trying to get out
of and he's, apologized he was backing, up he said
you go, ahead you, know and then this guy just
wouldn't let. Him, well you are building a force of
support for. Yourself so this one is interesting story in
of all. Places The New York times title of it
is shooting ranges go, quiet luxury and, LOOK i get.
It you're you're gonna, say, well we already knew, That
yes we, did but they just discovered. It they're talking
about shooting ranges that are, upscale what we have called country,
clubs and they're talking about one In Los. Angeles it's
called The. Range it's membership only gun. Club IT'S i,
mean it's, fancy really, nice and people come. In they
can bring their own, guns they can rent, guns their.
Instructors it's, plush and memberships can run thirty five hundred
to fifty five.
Speaker 4: Hundred dollars a. Year what is interesting about?
Speaker 3: This and let me back up to my, knowledge the
first country club like this was The Scottsdale Gun club In, Scottsdale.
Arizona it was and is a really top right. One
The Centennial Gun club In denver is really. Good there
are a number of them, around AND i get.
Speaker 4: It some people are, saying, really thirty five hundred dollars
a year to go to a shooting. RANGE i get.
Speaker 3: It you've been going to a gravel pit with a
burn barrel and it doesn't cost you. Anything and you
can't imagine doing. That and yet there is an entire
group of, people a. Demographic they can't imagine going to
a gravel pit for a. Barnborough they're not going to do.
That they're used to going to a golf country club
and paying five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars a year
for the membership and don't think anything about. It and, you,
YEAH i hear you, saying, well that's not. Me, OKAY
i got to understand. It but understand this when it
comes to changing public. Perception how many times have you
heard me talk about? This when it comes to changing public,
Perception the people who go to a guntry club who
can spend that kind of, money have. Influence they're having
lunch with the, mayor they're having lunch with the. Governor
these are people who are working in a different world
and look not to priests, prejudge but that may be
you what this really. Is we talk about this concept
of The overton, window and that is The overton window
is things that are actionable that the public will. Accept,
well there was a time when maybe shooting wasn't something
that the public was generally going to. Accept when you
have people going to a country club and they have
memberships that call it five thousand dollars a, year and
they are sold out and there's a waiting, list and
they have babysitting services at the shooting. Range and here's
the place where people. GO i had a young couple, say,
yeah we went there on our first. Date it becomes
a place where young people want to go to take
somebody on their first. Date or that's where he proposed to.
Me you're changing what the public perceives and what the
public accepts and what becomes. Normalized that this is an
article in The New York. Times it's just one more tick,
mark one more data point in the changing landscape and
the broad based acceptance of, shooting of gun, ownership of
the shooting, sports and of self protection with guns across
the board that people are doing all across the. Country
people are accepting it and understanding. It you, know if
you want to weigh in on, this by all, means
give me a holler phone. Number here Is Tom talk
gun when you and, LOOK i get. IT a lot
of us grew up going to a gravel. PIT i certainly.
Did have you been to one of these? Places have
you been to one of these upscale shooting ranges where
you walk in you go. WOW i remember going to
one In. FLORIDA i can't remember where it, was but
this was fifteen years. AGO i walked in and, said,
man this looks like An apple. Store it was fancy
and nice with computer targets and you could shoot targets
and electronically scored and set up there where you could
actually send it from the shooting. Station from the booth
where you're, shooting you could send the image of your
targets to somebody through social. Media set up that, way,
well they are appealing not only to a different group of,
people but to a wider group of, people bringing more
people into this shooting sports. Life To coiner, phrase since
that's the name of our NEW tv, Network shooting Sports,
life it's a, lifestyle or the tagline for our new
channel is where freedom is a.
Speaker 4: Lifestyle and it is you think about the.
Speaker 3: Shooting part of it is about. Freedom it's about protecting.
Yourself it's about AND i sometimes will mock the idea
of people want to feel safe as opposed to being.
Safe you know, what if they feel safe because they
are in fact, safe because they have taken steps to protect.
Themselves they're taking charge of their own, Safety they're not
outsourcing their. Safety those are people now who will turn
around and tell other, people you, know you ought to
come out to the shooting range with, me come on out.
Speaker 4: Here different group of. People that's good because we have
the core.
Speaker 3: Group the more people we bring into the shooting, sports
the more people we bring into the world of gun.
Speaker 4: Ownership AND i get. It not everybody is.
Speaker 3: Going to become a Staunt Second amendment, advocate but they
also are not going to be talking about those, people
which is us because they become those.
Speaker 4: People and even if you got half of.
Speaker 3: Them to Become Second amendment supporters where they weren't, before that's.
Speaker 4: Big broadening the.
Speaker 3: Appeal making it easy for people to get involved in
this is. Important it is part of our. Activism are
one on one. Activism it doesn't have to be at
a country. Club it can be wherever you. Go it
can be just inviting a friend to. Go you, know
WHAT i have found is that so often WHEN i
mentioned THAT i like to shoot or like to go
to the, RANGE i get a positive reaction for. People
PEOPLE i don't. Know it could be your, doctor your
dentist or. Whatever and if you, will if it's comfortable for,
you can follow that up with. Me would you like
to go to the range with me? Sometime you'd be.
AMAZED a survey THAT nssf did said that half the
women surveyed said that if they were invited to go,
shooting they would. Go imagine, that not people at, range
people just generally, speaking people who are, posed women who
are polled said that if someone invited them to go,
shooting they would. Go why are we not inviting? Them
because once we get them, there they're gonna have. Fun
we're gonna make sure they have. Fun were to give
them the right, Gun we're gonna have them shoot close.
Up we're gonna ensure that they have, success and they're
gonna come away get. Thinking, man that was. GREAT i
like to do that. Again you know WHAT i call?
Speaker 4: THAT i call that. Winning, well it's that time of year.
Again something. Else it's.
Speaker 3: Summertime it's hot and a lot of parts of the
country entry really really. Hot had a buddy down In Lake, Hasty.
Arizona he sent me a note yesterday, says, yeah it's
one hundred and thirteen here at the. Moment what one
hundred and. Thirteen how do you do? That, well let's
talk about shooting when it's that, hot going to the.
Range first of, all get up really really really, early
and go early. Early try to be down by ten
eleven o'clock if you can. Hydrate of, course electrolytes are
key in. This just pure water is not. Enough, actually
too much water can kill. YOU i didn't know if
you know, that you gotta have some electrolytes in, there
whether you're mixing in with your water or maybe like
doing A gator eight every.
Speaker 5: Third bottle of.
Speaker 3: Water my deal has always been when we've got OUR
tv crews, out all the camper guys, out and everybody's,
hot we got. Water here's our simple. Rule when you
take a water bottle out of the, cooler you take
the top, off you throw away the, top you can't
put it back. On you take the top, off you
drink it all. Period just drink. It you got, it
and then within an hour you gotta do it. Again
so what about your?
Speaker 4: Guns, yeah two.
Speaker 3: Things one is if they're sitting out in the, sun
like AN ar fifteen or. Something you may have experienced.
This they can get so hot sitting out there that
you can't pick them up black gun in the, sun
you might want to take a, towel like a white.
Towel i've done this and draped it over the guns
when they're laying on a. Table it actually works really
well keep them cool. Down, SO i, mean it depends
on your, range what the setup is and all. THAT
i get, That but just in terms of being aware
of the fact that everything can get really. Hot, actually
when you got a round, chambered the gun could be
so hot you can end up with excess pressure because
everything is hotter in. There one other, thing when you're
shooting your, handgun if you're doing, manipulations you're, drawing you're
shooting and that kind of, thing and it's hot and
you're outside and you're, sweating there is the very real
possibility of dropping your. Gun you draw your gun out
of your holster and as it's coming, out you fumble,
it it slips in your. Hand you got sweaty. Hands
and this you have to have put into your head
before you get. There AND i, mean like really put
this into your. Head you do not try to catch
a falling. Gun let it hit, then let it hit the. Ground,
yeah but that's my five. THOUSAND i don't care what it.
COSTS i don't care if it's finally. ENGRAVED i don't
care if it's got the best polish. EVER a gunsmith
can make those. Repairs there is a not insignificant chance
that when you try to catch a pistol that has
slipped out of your, hands a finger or a thumb
will go into the trigger guard and pull the, trigger
and you don't know which direction the muscle is. Pointed
the chance of it going off when it hits the
ground is exceedingly. Small most guns just simply don't go
off when you drop. THEM i, mean It's i'm not
gonna say it's some, impossible but it's so rare as
to be. Insignificant but when you try to catch a,
gun and, look here's the, THING i, understand it comes
out of your. Hands if what is your instinct you've
got to reach out there and grab it or hit the.
Ground you have to have put it in your head
ahead of time and think about. It if a gun
comes out of my, Hands i'm just gonna let it,
Go just let it. Go and we've done this over
and over again with blue. Guns you, know drop, them
have them flipped around try to grab, them AND i don't,
know two times out of, ten one time out of,
ten whatever it, is a thumb or a finger goes
into that trigger guard where it'd be on the, trigger
and the gun's pointed at the guy who's trying to catch.
It SO i just offered that as up your summer safety. Tip,
guns get, hot, hands get, sweaty be, aware take, breaks
because if you're tired and fatigued and heat, exhausted you're also.
Unsafe it may not be making good decisions. There you
go and keep an eye on your buddies out. There
if they start to.
Speaker 4: Look, bad get them cool down and get them into some.
Shade