Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sasquatch theory. In this episode, I traveled
Speaker 1: to the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma to speak with Cynthia
Speaker 1: from Telequah. What began as strange out like sounds in
Speaker 1: the woods would eventually turn into years of unexplained activity
Speaker 1: around her secluded property. Cynthia describes rocks being thrown at
Speaker 1: her near the chicken coop, mysterious foul odors, livestock disappearing
Speaker 1: without a trace, and an unsettling feeling that something was
Speaker 1: constantly watching her from the surrounding forest. The encounters became
Speaker 1: even stranger when mysterious dirt mounds appeared inside her chicken coop,
Speaker 1: carefully constructed with rocks and decorated with the feathers of
Speaker 1: her missing chickens. None of the materials came from the
Speaker 1: coop or the surrounding area, leaving Cynthia with more questions
Speaker 1: than answers. She shares childhood experiences that looking back, may
Speaker 1: have been connected to the same mystery wor these isolated incidents,
Speaker 1: or has something been following her throughout her life. If
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Speaker 1: With all that being said, let's dive straight into Cynthia's
Speaker 1: bigfour encounters from the state of Oklahoma. All right, Cynthia,
Speaker 1: welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm anxious to tell me a story
Speaker 3: and maybe get some insight from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Cynthia, If you would tell me a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself, where you're from, and your experiences from
Speaker 1: the very beginning, please.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I live in Tulsa now, but I've lived
Speaker 3: since nineteen ninety five, except for going away for jobs,
Speaker 3: a little bit down in Tataquah, Oklahoma, which is in
Speaker 3: Cherokee County. That's our capital of our tribe. And I
Speaker 3: lived on a property that used to be allotted land,
Speaker 3: but I think the people lost it for taxes. It
Speaker 3: wasn't my family land. It was someone else's that we
Speaker 3: bought the land and housing out buildings in nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 3: and there were forty acres and it's up on a
Speaker 3: hill in the woods and down around. It's almost like
Speaker 3: a panoramic view of the cooks and hills, and there's
Speaker 3: gullies and valleys and places that are hard to get to.
Speaker 3: So it's very, very heavily wooded. And the house sits
Speaker 3: on almost like a plateau of seven acres, and then
Speaker 3: the thirty three acres are down and down and down.
Speaker 3: I think some of it's in the floodplain. And there's
Speaker 3: a cave on that property that they say pretty boy
Speaker 3: Floyd used to hide in. I don't know if that's true,
Speaker 3: but it could be. So that's where I came from,
Speaker 3: and that's where I had these experiences, and I've been
Speaker 3: very shy about sharing them. I shared them with a
Speaker 3: couple of my kids when it happened, and a couple
Speaker 3: of the older grandkids and grandkids of course, and they're
Speaker 3: like ooh, and my kids are like mom. So I
Speaker 3: just really haven't shared much. But I had some experiences,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know very much about Bigfoot, so I
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't know a whole lot. And then I
Speaker 3: started watching that show Finding Bigfoot, and it explained some
Speaker 3: things I had experienced. So in twenty fourteen, I got
Speaker 3: divorced after forty two years of marriage, and I kept
Speaker 3: the house and the seven acres so and like I said,
Speaker 3: it was heavily wooded, and then it had a gully
Speaker 3: underneath the seven acres and nobody was ever there. And
Speaker 3: it's way out in the country. I have neighbors, nobody's
Speaker 3: really close, but not far from my house is a
Speaker 3: fence that connects to the neighbors, and there'll be the
Speaker 3: experience I had over there. So the first thing I
Speaker 3: remember was sounds that sounded like an owl. But I
Speaker 3: was raised in the country and I know what a
Speaker 3: real owl sounds like, and I knew it wasn't a
Speaker 3: real owl. Hoots, and I would just blow it off.
Speaker 3: I just thought it's just teenage boys wandering through the
Speaker 3: woods having fun, hooting back and forth to one another.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought it was, because I didn't, like
Speaker 3: I said, I didn't know much about bigfoot experiences. I
Speaker 3: didn't know that that was part of it. But anyway,
Speaker 3: that happened for a long time. And then the first
Speaker 3: thing I remember was after the hooting, I was out
Speaker 3: at my chicken coop. This coop was a big edifice.
Speaker 3: It was almost a small barn, and it was pretty
Speaker 3: far from the house and it was at the top
Speaker 3: of where it almost falls down a gully, heavily wooded.
Speaker 3: You can't even see the bottom of it for the trees.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I was raising chickens and peacocks and guineas,
Speaker 3: and we had, just before my husband and I divorced,
Speaker 3: built this fantastic peacock room for you know, to keep
Speaker 3: everybody safe at night from coyotes mostly, and so it
Speaker 3: was a really really nice coop. And behind the coop,
Speaker 3: which would be right before you go down that gully,
Speaker 3: people would put you know, if a lawnchair died, you
Speaker 3: just stick it back there, you know, we'll just deal
Speaker 3: with it later. It wasn't trash trash, but it was
Speaker 3: just things like that, like buckets and different things like that.
Speaker 3: And one day I was out at the coop and
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'm clean some of that up
Speaker 3: and put some of it out for the trash man
Speaker 3: to get. And so I went behind there and I
Speaker 3: got kind of an armload and I was coming back
Speaker 3: around and when I got to the side of the coop,
Speaker 3: I was pelted with rocks. And they were rocks, they
Speaker 3: weren't It wasn't gravel rocks, and it wasn't huge rocks
Speaker 3: that would like knock you out, but maybe an inch
Speaker 3: across that kind of thing, and not just one or two,
Speaker 3: a lot of rocks. That reminded me of something that
Speaker 3: happened in my childhood. And if you'll remind me, i'll
Speaker 3: get back to that. And I guess I knew enough
Speaker 3: by then about bigfoot that I just figured that's what
Speaker 3: it was. And there was some big foot down down
Speaker 3: the hill and they didn't want me back there, and
Speaker 3: it scared me, but it didn't devastate me. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like I got the message, fine, clean that up.
Speaker 3: So not long after that, I took a vacation out
Speaker 3: to the East Coast. I have a daughter that lives
Speaker 3: out there, and I was gone a while and one
Speaker 3: of my Cherokee cousins and her husband were going to
Speaker 3: take care of my birds for me and come over
Speaker 3: every day. And I always had like four or five dogs,
Speaker 3: I had cats, you know, I always had a lot
Speaker 3: of animals. So when I got home, they came over,
Speaker 3: and you know, I was going to pay them and
Speaker 3: thank them, and her husband and I went out to
Speaker 3: the coop to look at something and what it was.
Speaker 3: And so I asked him and said, how did everything go?
Speaker 3: Because he would usually come over with her to help
Speaker 3: at night, you know, and he said okay. I said okay,
Speaker 3: and then he looked at me and he goes, but
Speaker 3: I had something happened out here at the coop, and
Speaker 3: I could tell he's kind of hesitating telling me. And
Speaker 3: he said, when I was over on this side, because
Speaker 3: we did have an extra cage over there that we
Speaker 3: would keep certain birds in sometimes if you needed to
Speaker 3: separate birds, we had made one. It was kind of
Speaker 3: on still. It was a really really nice cage. Nothing
Speaker 3: could get in it, and maybe I had something over
Speaker 3: there at that time. I don't really remember, but anyway,
Speaker 3: he had been on that side and he said something
Speaker 3: started throwing rocks at me. And he looked at me, like,
Speaker 3: you don't believe me, right, and I kind of nodded.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it happened to me too. And so
Speaker 3: we sat down under a tree and started talking. And
Speaker 3: he had had a big foot encounter when he was
Speaker 3: a teenager at a place called Silver Pumpkin Holler. He
Speaker 3: was dating a girl that they were in high school,
Speaker 3: and they went out to park and so he turned
Speaker 3: his car off the dirt road. We have a lot
Speaker 3: of dirt roads out there, and one came right in
Speaker 3: front of their car, looked at him and it was terrifying.
Speaker 3: And his report to me was she was so terrified
Speaker 3: she had mental problems after that never did recover. So
Speaker 3: that sounded pretty scary. So yeah, I believed him because
Speaker 3: I had begun to send some presences on my property.
Speaker 3: I never saw one, thank god, because I lived by myself.
Speaker 3: But so I told him what had been happening the hoots,
Speaker 3: and then I had been feeling a presence at the
Speaker 3: back of my backyard. My backyard was fenced in and
Speaker 3: I had a doggy door for dogs and cats to
Speaker 3: go in and out, you know, and then the rest
Speaker 3: of the yard was open to all the acreage, the
Speaker 3: front yard and side yards and everything. But I have
Speaker 3: felt a presence at the back of that backyard, and
Speaker 3: nothing I can really prove, but I felt it, and
Speaker 3: it did not scare me. And again, I didn't know
Speaker 3: much about bigfoot. I didn't know if they were all
Speaker 3: bad all good. I just knew they were I'd heard
Speaker 3: enough people by this time talking that I trusted that, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's something out there, some kind of ape or something,
Speaker 3: and it's a weird feeling. I did not feel scared.
Speaker 3: I almost felt watched over because I'm by myself now,
Speaker 3: right some nights when I'm headed back from the chicken coop,
Speaker 3: because I would chuck them in every night, I'd say
Speaker 3: good night, yeah, towards the backyard. I just going to
Speaker 3: wave my hand. Thank god. I never did putting food
Speaker 3: out or anything. So that happened for a long long
Speaker 3: time after I became alone. And I love animals, and
Speaker 3: I just at that time, I don't know, they might
Speaker 3: be something else. I'm learning lots of things, but at
Speaker 3: that time I thought it was just you know, primate
Speaker 3: of some sort and good at hiding. And yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel scared. I never did. And then that
Speaker 3: went on for a long long time. And one night
Speaker 3: I was coming back from the chicken coop and over
Speaker 3: by my neighbor's fence. Now his house wasn't there, but
Speaker 3: that was his property fence, not very far. I had
Speaker 3: a garage. It was a garage workshop. You could put
Speaker 3: three or four cars in there. The guy we bought
Speaker 3: it from was a builder. He had this most fantastic
Speaker 3: workshop in there. So that wasn't far from this fence.
Speaker 3: And I was coming to the house and this odor
Speaker 3: just overwhelmed me. I had never smelled anything like that.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I'm a country girl. I know
Speaker 3: what dead animals smell like. This was not just your
Speaker 3: regular dead animal that died that you need to go
Speaker 3: clean up or something. It was horrible. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know to this day what I was smelling,
Speaker 3: except having learned about bigfoot, I thought, okay, there's one
Speaker 3: right there, and I felt it and I felt scared.
Speaker 3: This time. It did not feel good. It was dark
Speaker 3: over there. Oh. I I probably had my porch light on,
Speaker 3: but you can't see that far to that fence with
Speaker 3: porch light. But then I went in the house, calmed
Speaker 3: myself down, probably locked on the doors, and later I
Speaker 3: went out and that it was gone, And if it
Speaker 3: have been a dead animal, that odor still would have
Speaker 3: been there because it was so strong. I'd never before
Speaker 3: since smelled anything like that. I was horrid. Later, you know,
Speaker 3: watching I started watching Bigfoot, Finding Bigfoot. Yeah, I would
Speaker 3: hear them talk about stuff like that, so I figured
Speaker 3: it was one, but I didn't feel like it was
Speaker 3: someone that had been my backyard watcher, guardian, whatever, And
Speaker 3: then a couple of other things one one year. It
Speaker 3: was probably a couple of years after I was divorced alone.
Speaker 3: My best guy friend from junior High had a friend
Speaker 3: who had a trailer who was kind of traveling through
Speaker 3: and wanted to park it, you know, at my place,
Speaker 3: and I needed some carpentry work done on my porch
Speaker 3: and he he could do that for me. So I'm
Speaker 3: sure you can park there, because I trusted him, because
Speaker 3: I trusted my friend. And he used to drink, stopped drinking,
Speaker 3: but then he started evidently drinking again, and he came
Speaker 3: out one night with these pistols that my friend had
Speaker 3: given him and start shooting him up in the air,
Speaker 3: which is illegal. I can't do that, but he did it,
Speaker 3: and ever since those pistols went off, I never since
Speaker 3: the presence behind my fence again ever. And then the
Speaker 3: next thing, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: It's scary. I'm almost crying telling you this. This is
Speaker 3: the scariest part for me personally, and I want to
Speaker 3: know if anybody else's experienced this. I kind of just
Speaker 3: need somebody somewhere to tell me that this happened, that
Speaker 3: they've seen this. So this happened back out at my
Speaker 3: chicken coop. The first thing, Now, this is not scary,
Speaker 3: but I had gone back to work, and I knew
Speaker 3: all my chickens and guineas really well because I hand
Speaker 3: raise them in the house before they get too stinky,
Speaker 3: and then I put them out, so I know them all.
Speaker 3: They're all named, and my chickens were an assortment different
Speaker 3: different breaths, so I began to notice everyone so all
Speaker 3: that one would be missing. This would be in the
Speaker 3: daytime when I would come home in the afternoon. And
Speaker 3: then I started putting it together that it was happening
Speaker 3: on Fridays. That every Friday, one chicken was missing. And
Speaker 3: this is not the scary part. And I thought, well,
Speaker 3: maybe somebody lives around here that's super poor and they
Speaker 3: just needed to feed their family for the weekend. At
Speaker 3: least they just take one, you know. And I still
Speaker 3: don't know what was taking it. But after a while
Speaker 3: I had no more chickens, so my peacock, the others
Speaker 3: were gone except for one peacock and he was my
Speaker 3: personal buddy, and he slept outside my door in an
Speaker 3: old tree, o hickory tree, and he would not go
Speaker 3: in the coop anymore. He stopped going in the coop.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get him in there, and he would stay
Speaker 3: in his tree even when it snowed. So the coop
Speaker 3: and guineas travel. They you don't keep guineas for a
Speaker 3: long time, you know, maybe you're lucky to keep them
Speaker 3: for two years, because they just wonder. They're very wondering.
Speaker 3: And so my guineas were all gone, my chickens were
Speaker 3: all gone. My peacock's in the tree, so I'm not
Speaker 3: really using my chicken coop. And to tell you the truth,
Speaker 3: the rock pelting was kind of scary to me. So
Speaker 3: it's like, well, I have a coop in the backyard.
Speaker 3: I could get some bannies and enjoy them back there,
Speaker 3: because I was working and it gets icy sometimes in
Speaker 3: the winter, and I don't need to get out there
Speaker 3: in the ice. It's a long ways to walk, and
Speaker 3: so I just kind of let that coop go. But
Speaker 3: I was out there one day. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I was going to go clean or I don't know
Speaker 3: what I went out there for, because there were no
Speaker 3: birds out there, but I went out there to go inside.
Speaker 3: And when I went inside, this is the scary part
Speaker 3: for me, and it probably won't sound scary to anybody else,
Speaker 3: but it was so scary. There had been some crafting
Speaker 3: going on in there, and it was done in the
Speaker 3: biggest room, which was the peacock room, and something had
Speaker 3: built this mound. There's two mounds. There was a big
Speaker 3: one and one that was maybe half that size, maybe
Speaker 3: even smaller than that. And I would say this mound
Speaker 3: was a couple of feet high. It was, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was very very noticeable, maybe a couple of feet wide.
Speaker 3: You know, it would be kind of round at the bottom,
Speaker 3: and it tapered up to kind of a small thing
Speaker 3: at the top, and what it was made out of
Speaker 3: was it was made Now, remember I worked, so I
Speaker 3: was gone in the days and this was daytime, And
Speaker 3: so they had used dirt and rocks, kind of small rocks,
Speaker 3: a few big rocks, maybe fist sized rocks would be
Speaker 3: the biggest. And they had mixed the rocks and the
Speaker 3: dirt together to make these mounds. But that's not even
Speaker 3: the scariest part. First of all, that none of these
Speaker 3: materials came from inside the you could cook. There were
Speaker 3: no holes, dug. I don't keep rocks in there. So whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, however they got that stuff in, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But they picked up feathers in my chicken coop. They
Speaker 3: used chicken feathers and guinea feathers because they were still
Speaker 3: kind of laying around back in the guinea chicken area,
Speaker 3: and had poked them in these mounds on the side,
Speaker 3: decorated at the top, decorated mounds in my chicken coop. Now,
Speaker 3: I have no children that live around my neighborhood. I
Speaker 3: don't really have neighborhoods in the country. There's no explanation
Speaker 3: for it. And I will just tell you it's it's
Speaker 3: scaring me to tell you this for real. It was
Speaker 3: so scary. I felt so invaded. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was a message. I don't know, if they
Speaker 3: were just having fun, whatever was happening. Maybe it was
Speaker 3: an homage to all my chickens being gone. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I went back to the house and like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I need a picture, and I grabbed my
Speaker 3: iPad many because it took pretty good pictures. My phone
Speaker 3: at that time was kind of a cheaper one, and
Speaker 3: I went out and I took pictures and I thought
Speaker 3: I got pictures, and when you look at them, they're
Speaker 3: all blurred. I can't I really can't prove it to anybody.
Speaker 3: So I haven't really told anybody that part of the
Speaker 3: story because it's so scary. So if you know of
Speaker 3: anybody else that's had moundwork done in there, you know,
Speaker 3: their property, I'd kind of like to know what's that
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely is terrifying, and I can see why
Speaker 1: it startled you. Maybe the Sasquatch are connected to the
Speaker 1: ancient mound builders.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's probably yeah. I mean, the more
Speaker 3: I'm learning about different things that we never thought about.
Speaker 3: I think that's very possible. And there was something about
Speaker 3: the shape that alarmed me. It was too perfect, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It didn't and it did not
Speaker 3: look like a child could do it. I have eight grandchildren.
Speaker 3: I don't think any of my grandchildren could build anything
Speaker 3: like that. It was I don't know, it's kind of perfect.
Speaker 3: So yeah, do you hear of anybody else that had
Speaker 3: that happen? I kind of like to have people's thoughts
Speaker 3: on them. So when I was a kid, I lived
Speaker 3: down in Sulfur, Oklahoma, which is central Oklahoma, and we
Speaker 3: didn't really have a whole lot of woods. We had some,
Speaker 3: We had forty acres, but my dad was a doctor
Speaker 3: and so we weren't like a farm. But he liked farming,
Speaker 3: so he would bail hay. We raised a couple of
Speaker 3: them calves, you know, we had five horses. We didn't
Speaker 3: have any birds, but we had a great barn. And
Speaker 3: that's when you bail haden. It would be those rectangles,
Speaker 3: you know, and you stack them up in your barn
Speaker 3: and you they're fun because you can kind of stack
Speaker 3: them up and go sit on them. And I miss
Speaker 3: those kind of hay bales. So I was out there
Speaker 3: one day. It was in the daytime, and I don't
Speaker 3: know what I was doing, just some chore, and my
Speaker 3: back was to the hay bales and I was getting
Speaker 3: ready to go out the front barn door, the big
Speaker 3: barn door, and something started hitting my back, and not
Speaker 3: just one or two things, lots of stuff. There was
Speaker 3: nobody out there but me, and I glanced around and
Speaker 3: looked behind me, and it was corn kernels, like you
Speaker 3: feed your horses, a lot of them. So something was
Speaker 3: throwing something at me. So I went to get my daddy.
Speaker 3: It must have been on the weekend because Daddy was home,
Speaker 3: and I went to get him and he went out
Speaker 3: with the rifle and didn't find anything. And then the
Speaker 3: other strange thing that happened to me that same house,
Speaker 3: same country house. It was a long ranch house, and
Speaker 3: we had a lot of kids. They ended up having
Speaker 3: seven kids, my parents and my bedroom was all the
Speaker 3: way at one end where the kitchen the dining room,
Speaker 3: and there was a living room, and there was a hallway.
Speaker 3: Everybody else's bedrooms are way down on the other side
Speaker 3: of the house. Excuse me, I have to cough hold on, Okay,
Speaker 3: So My bed was near the outside of the house,
Speaker 3: which was actually that end of the house face to
Speaker 3: the barn. And one night I kept hearing our middle
Speaker 3: our little red wagon they used to call them, being
Speaker 3: pulled around out there. All right, well, there's first of all,
Speaker 3: there's nobody. We don't have a neighborhood because we're in
Speaker 3: the country, so that what's happening. It was like in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night, like past midnight, and it
Speaker 3: kept happening, and then it stopped. And I'm about to
Speaker 3: go back to sleep, and I hear this breathing and
Speaker 3: I hear something. I feel something that has sat down
Speaker 3: on the wall outside, and it's pretty close to my bed,
Speaker 3: and you could hear it like bump up against the wall,
Speaker 3: like you would lean back, and I would hear this
Speaker 3: heavy breathing, almost like it was hard for this person,
Speaker 3: which I thought it was a person to breathe, and
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was I don't know, some wonderers,
Speaker 3: some homeless man. I don't know. But this scared the
Speaker 3: pea waddy out of me. So I got up and
Speaker 3: I ran down the hall all all the way down
Speaker 3: to the end of the house. And my parents had
Speaker 3: added another bedroom for themselves down at the other end.
Speaker 3: It was a really long thing, and I woke my
Speaker 3: parents up, and Daddy again, he gets up and he
Speaker 3: gets his rifle and he comes out. He couldn't find anybody.
Speaker 3: He was sweet to look but and he didn't shame
Speaker 3: me or anything. He just said, I looked and looked,
Speaker 3: I didn't find anybody, and he took his flashlight stuff.
Speaker 3: So I've often wondered since I found out a big photo,
Speaker 3: maybe that was, you know, an experience with one or
Speaker 3: two or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it possibly could be.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it maybe could have been paranormal
Speaker 1: activity out there, like spirits of people that used to
Speaker 1: live out there.
Speaker 3: I mean it could be. We know that we knew
Speaker 3: the people who built the house and they were still alive,
Speaker 3: you know, so you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't rule
Speaker 3: out anything. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely possibly could have been the Sasquatch or
Speaker 1: even settlers who used to live in Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's all kinds of things
Speaker 3: that occur, so yeah, probably probably won't ever know, but
Speaker 3: but those were a couple of scary things. I can
Speaker 3: just remember my dad running out there with it's gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else you can recall.
Speaker 3: Uh. The only other odd thing that happened to me
Speaker 3: in the woods was in my grandmother's woods and she lived.
Speaker 3: That was my favorite place on earth. She lived down
Speaker 3: in southeastern Oklahoma, past Antler's pastor at Tan, the little
Speaker 3: community called Correen just before you get to Olita. So
Speaker 3: if your listeners are from that area, then I know
Speaker 3: exactly what I'm talking about. There's not they're not even
Speaker 3: a post office there anymore, though. But her neighbor's pasture
Speaker 3: was someplace that my friend and I went and we
Speaker 3: were gonna wade the creek from there, part of the
Speaker 3: creek all the way to my grandmother's pasture to her creek.
Speaker 3: That was just start things. So we were standing in
Speaker 3: those little stand I guess you'd call them of trees,
Speaker 3: and I think we were looking at what we brought
Speaker 3: for lunch. We were about maybe eleven, maybe twelve, and
Speaker 3: we were barefoot, and we were just standing there. This
Speaker 3: doesn't have anything to do with bigfoot. I didn't have
Speaker 3: any of those kinds of things. But this is daylight.
Speaker 3: This is like maybe after lunch, I don't know. And
Speaker 3: this pack of wolves, I don't know if they were
Speaker 3: real I don't know if they were real wolves or
Speaker 3: something else. Came trotting past us. It's almost like you
Speaker 3: could reach out and touch them. This isn't the daytime.
Speaker 3: Wolves are nighttime animals, right, And they were standing very
Speaker 3: close to one another, just kind of trotting together. They
Speaker 3: weren't coyotes, because I knew what coyotes were. They were wolves.
Speaker 3: And they didn't even pay us any attention. It was
Speaker 3: like we weren't even there and they just went past us.
Speaker 3: And I can't get that out of my head. That
Speaker 3: was the weirdest thing. And we're just like looking at
Speaker 3: each other like what did we just see? Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting. And what other bigfoot encounters and experiences
Speaker 1: have you heard from friends or locals in the area.
Speaker 3: Oh, in the Tahlequah area, I haven't heard a whole lot,
Speaker 3: but I know they have. I think it's once a year.
Speaker 3: And I never did go to it over in Adare
Speaker 3: County stillwell, because there's a lot that's happened over there,
Speaker 3: and they they have a gathering, but I never did go.
Speaker 3: If I had actually seen one with my eye, I
Speaker 3: probably would have gone, you know. And so the only
Speaker 3: one I know for sure is the one my cousin's
Speaker 3: husband told me about, because I haven't brought the subject up.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of embarrassing because sometimes people just
Speaker 3: look at you like, yeah right.
Speaker 2: So I guess I didn't.
Speaker 1: Really was embarrassing for even Native Americans to talk about
Speaker 1: I guess they've been silenced for so long. Even the
Speaker 1: Natives don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not in the traditional Native because I was
Speaker 3: adopted out of the tribe. Yeah, and I only found
Speaker 3: out that I was Cherokee when I was thirty seven,
Speaker 3: and as soon as I could, I was in Ohio.
Speaker 3: I moved to tah Quah and began to reconnect to
Speaker 3: my roots, So I didn't grow up in a household
Speaker 3: where they told those stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So around is it still Well or still Water,
Speaker 1: that that would be the area to connect with the natives,
Speaker 1: the Cherokee people, to possibly learn more about the.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a town called still Well and they
Speaker 3: advertised their their meeting, their annual or annually I'm not
Speaker 3: sure which they have, like a meeting over there. Anybody
Speaker 3: can come and just share town meeting whatever. And that's
Speaker 3: still Well and that's in a Dare County. It's not
Speaker 3: far from Tahaquah. We're all I mean, my grandmother was
Speaker 3: from there, so we're all connected. And then Kenwood is
Speaker 3: where that the squirrels are from up in there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that would be the area to visit.
Speaker 1: Right around ken Wood. I feel like I could get
Speaker 1: a lot of information about the Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: And my area was in the Welling area and it's
Speaker 3: so wooded back in there, and I have heard I
Speaker 3: can't tell you any stories because I don't know them,
Speaker 3: but I have heard there's been a lot of spottings
Speaker 3: out there. But it makes sense because it's just it's
Speaker 3: wild out there. We are out there where the hills
Speaker 3: that are the Cooks and hills they're the foothoo hills
Speaker 3: of those arcs, and we have the big Illinois River
Speaker 3: and the Illinois River branches that run through there and
Speaker 3: have lots of deer. There's lots of deer hunting, lots
Speaker 3: of deer, lots of squirrel, lots of monnies. It's a
Speaker 3: rich area for you know, supporting life. So yeah, but
Speaker 3: I can't direct. But when you talk to the people
Speaker 3: in Stillwell, they'll probably have people you can talk to
Speaker 3: from the welling area where I was from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 1: And after moving to the new property, when did the
Speaker 1: activity begin. Was it shortly after you built the chicken coop?
Speaker 3: No, it only began for now. The hooting probably began
Speaker 3: probably twenty thirteen. I believe it was happening before my divorce.
Speaker 3: I moved there in nineteen ninety five, but when they
Speaker 3: started was when I get divorced, which is twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: When I was by myself and the property was when
Speaker 3: something started happening. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: So when you were isolated alone, the creature started interacting
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that a lot with reports. I've had
Speaker 1: women tell me that when their husbands would go to
Speaker 1: work the activity would always start, or when they're alone
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 3: Gross. Well, I'm glad I wasn't terrified. That would have
Speaker 3: been hard on. You know, you're getting over a divorce
Speaker 3: after forty two years of marriage and you're being terrified.
Speaker 3: So I guess I should be grateful. I wasn't terrified
Speaker 3: until the found building, and that was a few years
Speaker 3: after the divorce. But I will tell you that my
Speaker 3: love for my property damned after that, and now I
Speaker 3: live in Tulsa, where some of my kids live, so
Speaker 3: I don't live down there anymore. And I missed my
Speaker 3: woods and everything that I the mound building incident when
Speaker 3: I wasn't having anything else happen because I thought things.
Speaker 3: I think I thought everything was gone. You don't like
Speaker 3: to be scared on your own property when you live
Speaker 3: by yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it wasn't a pleasant feeling. It was more
Speaker 1: of a morbid feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Natives and Cherokee Nation sometimes described that as bad medicine,
Speaker 1: and you need to get cleansed by a medicine man
Speaker 1: to kind of make it go away. So yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I definitely understand where you're coming from, and that would
Speaker 1: be disturbing to find. I can't imagine how you felt
Speaker 1: how many rocks.
Speaker 3: I don't even know why I felt that way, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I really don't know. It must
Speaker 3: have been the intent, but it felt It made me
Speaker 3: feel like, man, I thought I was free of all
Speaker 3: that and something still things they can come on my
Speaker 3: property and you know, do something scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel like they were gifting you and
Speaker 1: thanking you for the chickens. I feel like they were
Speaker 1: claiming your chicken coop as their own, like this is ours.
Speaker 3: I do too. That other one that I said that
Speaker 3: was a joke. Yeah, I never felt that because it
Speaker 3: made me feel bad. I think you would not make
Speaker 3: you feel bad. This made me feel bad, and I
Speaker 3: did feel invaded, and I did. I did feel that
Speaker 3: what you just said, Yeah, they were claiming it as
Speaker 3: their owns, like we're still here, we can come in
Speaker 3: here and do what we want. And so I never
Speaker 3: did put anything back in that chicken coop. I didn't
Speaker 3: even like walking out there, and it kind of destroyed
Speaker 3: my love of walking in my woods. I had beautiful woods,
Speaker 3: had these huge this one part was a pine forest
Speaker 3: and these pine trees were so old you couldn't put
Speaker 3: your arms around them. They had the big thick bark
Speaker 3: and the and you know pine needle uh flooring. It
Speaker 3: was so beautiful and uh my grandkids lived it out,
Speaker 3: loved it out there. We had a lot of fun
Speaker 3: out there. One time I was out there, I didn't
Speaker 3: let the grand kids go out there after after a while,
Speaker 3: after I saw this, except in this area right by
Speaker 3: my house, I'd let them go there, but I would
Speaker 3: be with them. Because back two three acres back from
Speaker 3: the house you can't see it from the house. There
Speaker 3: had been some downed trees the long walk. Let's say,
Speaker 3: not that they'd been cut, but I guess they's just fallen,
Speaker 3: you know, not huge placed around like you would if
Speaker 3: you were going to sit in a circle or a
Speaker 3: rectangle or something have a meeting. It could have been
Speaker 3: humans doing that, but that's another thing that happened. But
Speaker 3: that took my like, okay, well my kids, our grandkids
Speaker 3: can't wander around back there.
Speaker 1: So anyway, did you ever find any tracks or any
Speaker 1: rock piles left on your porch, anything strange like that.
Speaker 3: No, And I never felt like anything came up to
Speaker 3: the house. It's just a feeling, you know, but I
Speaker 3: never felt it. I never saw anything. I never saw
Speaker 3: anything odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was your initial impression when you noticed
Speaker 1: that birds were going missing every Friday? Did you think
Speaker 1: it was just a fox or something then or did
Speaker 1: you know that it was.
Speaker 3: No, It's like I said, I thought, well, there are
Speaker 3: some places down the dirt road where people don't have
Speaker 3: a lot of money, you know, kind of poor, and
Speaker 3: so my first thoughts were somebody is just needing food
Speaker 3: for their family. And because there were no there was
Speaker 3: no blood, there was no feathers, there was no sign
Speaker 3: of a struggle, you know, and pretty early in the
Speaker 3: day for foxes to come around anyway, it's in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: So now I thought for a long time it must
Speaker 3: be And I didn't realize that it was Friday until
Speaker 3: I really started thinking about it. I had to think
Speaker 3: back when it happened. You know, several chickens were like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: it's Friday's when I come home. So that's why I
Speaker 3: thought it was a person, you know, maybe to feed
Speaker 3: their kids on the weekend or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely sounds like juvenile activity to me, since
Speaker 1: they were throwing smaller racks rocks at you, and they
Speaker 1: weren't trying to hit you with giant rocks, and they
Speaker 1: weren't like doing terrifying vocalizations. I would say they were
Speaker 1: focusing on the chicken house and maybe the mound was
Speaker 1: their way of saying thank you. But also I understand
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, like they invade your private space
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't look right.
Speaker 3: No, there was something about it that and I am sensitive,
Speaker 3: I'm spiritually sensitive and I'm older, so I've experienced a
Speaker 3: lot in life, and I'm pretty stable, you know. But
Speaker 3: that hit me. I don't even think I can describe
Speaker 3: it as to how it hit me. It terrified me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, something was still.
Speaker 3: Maybe something was maybe a presence was still in the coop.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what terrified me, but
Speaker 3: it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was the.
Speaker 3: Odor didn't terrify me, the thought that there. And I
Speaker 3: did think that that you you know, that you brought
Speaker 3: up juveniles. I did think about the juveniles, especially at night.
Speaker 3: I felt like whatever was back there was not huge,
Speaker 3: and I can actually kind of see it in my
Speaker 3: in my mind, but I didn't see it with my eyes.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't feel like it was one of
Speaker 3: those great, big towering whatever. Now, the one with the odor,
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was. That was that was
Speaker 3: a different whatever it was, whatever it was. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I did think juveniles. I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been one of the parents around
Speaker 1: in the area, not happy that their kids were playing
Speaker 1: in your yard. Maybe maybe you got too close and
Speaker 1: it released that pheromone that smells like I don't know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it can smell like death or sulfur or trash.
Speaker 3: It was everything. It was like all the stinky things
Speaker 3: you can think of, because I couldn't even pick out
Speaker 3: one thing, but it's it's yeah, it's interesting because it
Speaker 3: wasn't that way. When I came out my door to
Speaker 3: go up to my coop. Everything was normal. And then
Speaker 3: when I came from the coop down to get back
Speaker 3: to the house, that's when it was. And it was overwhelming,
Speaker 3: and I knew exactly where it was. I knew, I
Speaker 3: knew I probably could have walked to it, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to And then I went in the house
Speaker 3: and then later I came back out and no more,
Speaker 3: no more odor.
Speaker 1: So yeah, very interesting. And your friend that had the
Speaker 1: sighting encounter, that was what this girlfriend what exactly were
Speaker 1: they doing when they had the encounter.
Speaker 3: They were parking, you know how you go on a
Speaker 3: date and you park in the road to seeking smooch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I figured. And I've
Speaker 1: had reports in the past where people were doing that
Speaker 1: or even more and sasquat shows up.
Speaker 3: And where they were is very very isolated, and it
Speaker 3: really if you ever travel in that area, you'll you'll
Speaker 3: be like whoa, where's the next house? Because there's there's
Speaker 3: some great woods and houses far and few and far between,
Speaker 3: great dirt roads. You know, there's a lot out there
Speaker 3: in that part of the country, Cherokee County, in Adare County.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I hate hearing that.
Speaker 1: It really messed with their psychologically, and she never recovered.
Speaker 3: That's what I heard. And it could be that she
Speaker 3: took her own life. Yeah, you know, she probably wasn't
Speaker 3: the type that could handle something like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: some people do that and they're they're okay. I mean
Speaker 3: the guy was, but I mean it affected him. It was.
Speaker 3: It's pretty horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: Did he describe what this sasquatch creature look like?
Speaker 3: He did? I'm not sure that I could recall it
Speaker 3: all to you. But it was big, and it was
Speaker 3: kind of brownish reddish hair. He knew what it was.
Speaker 3: I guess he'd heard a lot of stories. His family's from,
Speaker 3: you know, from there, I know all his family, huge family.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, And it was close to the vehicle, correct, Oh.
Speaker 3: Right in front of it, like I see you through
Speaker 3: the window.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and you know you think about it. There
Speaker 3: were teenagers, so and I don't know if she was native.
Speaker 3: I know that he probably well, he obviously knew what
Speaker 3: it was, so he had heard lots of nice stories,
Speaker 3: you know traditional. Yeah. I didn't get to know my
Speaker 3: traditional people. My mother kept my ancestry from me and
Speaker 3: wouldn't let me meet my dad. And I did it
Speaker 3: anyway when I was thirty seven, and the first thing
Speaker 3: he said to me is, did you know we're Cherokee?
Speaker 3: I said, no, sir, I don't know anything. He said,
Speaker 3: we are, and I will help you get your you know,
Speaker 3: tribal membership and those and of your children, because I
Speaker 3: had three children. He was an attorney, but he was dying.
Speaker 3: He was in a hospital and I only saw him
Speaker 3: for four hours. But his heritage was very important to him.
Speaker 3: And he was raised in Tahlequah, and my whole family
Speaker 3: history on that side was in Tahquah's Both his parents
Speaker 3: were Cherokee. So yeah, so I moved there and I
Speaker 3: got to know lots of people that I'm kin to,
Speaker 3: which is about half the town. But I had to
Speaker 3: put the puzzle pieces together, you know, after I was grown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at first you believe this was simply an
Speaker 1: unknown primate. Has your opinion changed over time?
Speaker 3: Well, I've been doing a law study that's out there
Speaker 3: about nepheline and different things like that. So I kind
Speaker 3: of tend to know to believe those kinds of theories
Speaker 3: because they disappear, you know, and people take pictures of
Speaker 3: things that turn out weird, which happened to me because
Speaker 3: I know I had those pictures. So yeah, it could
Speaker 3: be shape shifters. I know those are real and could
Speaker 3: be portals that they disappear into. There's all kinds of
Speaker 3: things out there, so I'm still learning and I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, And is there anything about your experiences that we
Speaker 1: haven't covered that you think is important for people to
Speaker 1: hear or is that everything?
Speaker 3: Well, from what I'm learning, I don't think any of
Speaker 3: them are very friendly. I wouldn't be friends with one.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be saying good night to those in the
Speaker 3: back or that one in the back. Yeah, from what
Speaker 3: I know now, But I didn't feel afraid, and I
Speaker 3: like animals, so you know that was where I was
Speaker 3: at at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely.
Speaker 3: Understand that my chickens were investing either.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely believe you these creatures, these beings are
Speaker 1: certainly in Oklahoma. So yes, Cynthia, I appreciate you for
Speaker 1: logging down your experiences on sasquatch theory, and if you
Speaker 1: ever encounter anything else in the future, definitely reach out
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you very much. The only thing I wanted
Speaker 3: to share about that I wanted to feedback on was
Speaker 3: the mounds. I wanted to know if the if they're
Speaker 3: doing that other places, and if that particular shape has
Speaker 3: a has a message or meaning or because the two
Speaker 3: were the same and it didn't, I mean maybe maybe
Speaker 3: juvenile sex sesshalk. I can't say the word sasquatch are artistic.
Speaker 3: These were These were artistic. They were measured, they were planned,
Speaker 3: they were oh what's the word where? Not even that
Speaker 3: they were symmetrical, thank you. They were symmetrical and they
Speaker 3: matched and they they hit me like a message. But
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, you know. That's the
Speaker 3: only thing I'd like to know if other people could
Speaker 3: help me with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best thing I could say is it was
Speaker 1: probably the Sasquad trading mounds, because the native people of
Speaker 1: this land say they were here before they were And
Speaker 1: they also say that about the ancient mound builders, that
Speaker 1: they were there before the natives showed up. So I
Speaker 1: would say there's some sort of connection there. Did you
Speaker 1: scoop out the mounds.
Speaker 2: With like a shew? Okay? Because I was wondering maybe
Speaker 2: there was a chicken underneath there?
Speaker 3: Oh god, Well, the next time I got the courage
Speaker 3: to go out there, they were gone. Really, yes, they
Speaker 3: were flattened, they were disappeared. There was still some rocks
Speaker 3: there and maybe some dirt because it was a dirt
Speaker 3: floor anyway, So if you spread it all out, you know,
Speaker 3: I guess they could have just left all the materials there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they could be possible they buried the chickens
Speaker 1: underneath the mound. Grizzly bears will do that with their kills.
Speaker 1: They'll cover it dirts and sticks over their kill pile
Speaker 1: and come back and get it later. So if the
Speaker 1: mound went messing when you went back, if it disappeared,
Speaker 1: then I would say that's likely what happened.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just know it was gone, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well I'm not coming back anymore.
Speaker 2: Did you ever end up getting more chickens after that,
Speaker 2: or was that it?
Speaker 3: I only got bandy chickens, you know, the small ones,
Speaker 3: and I had already had a small coop in the
Speaker 3: backyard for bannies so you can watch them because they're little,
Speaker 3: you know. And so I have my big chickens in
Speaker 3: the in the big coop, and I kept little ones
Speaker 3: in the backyard so they couldn't get out. So I
Speaker 3: got more of those, but that, but that's it. I
Speaker 3: didn't use the coop after that, Nope. But then again,
Speaker 3: I was working, so I just really didn't want a
Speaker 3: whole lot of animals to take care of in the winter,
Speaker 3: so because you have to carry hot water out there
Speaker 3: and you know, make sure your chickens don't freeze. So
Speaker 3: the little coop was really all I wanted to mess
Speaker 3: with anyway. So yeah, so that's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's completely understandable. And yeah, if I'm ever in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a shout out and maybe we can
Speaker 1: meet up.
Speaker 3: And oh my god, well cool. Well, I appreciate you
Speaker 3: and thank you for believing me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely believe you, and I appreciate you as well,
Speaker 1: and I'm very grateful that you openly shared these experiences
Speaker 1: on sasquatch Theory.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, all right, Cynthia.
Speaker 1: You have yourself an excellent day, and if you have
Speaker 1: any questions, feel free to reach out. If I find
Speaker 1: more information about the dirt and rock mounds, I will definitely.
Speaker 2: Shoot you a message. Okay, thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you, and you take care of yourself, you too,
Speaker 2: good Bye.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Cynthia for having the courage to
Speaker 1: share her experiences on the channel that she's kept to
Speaker 1: herself for many years now. It isn't easy talking about
Speaker 1: events that most people might dismiss, especially when those experiences
Speaker 1: leave a lasting emotional impact. If you've experienced anything similar,
Speaker 1: whether it's unexplained vocalizations, rock throwing, strange structures, missing livestock,
Speaker 1: or an encounter with something you can't explain, you can
Speaker 1: reach me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. If
Speaker 1: anyone knows anything about the mounds of sasquatch left in
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