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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcasts. Jason and I are on a cargo

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plane full of rubber dog out of Hong Kong. Jeez,

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I cracked myself out. Welcome back to Shirley fans, Jason,

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Shirley fans are the top fans. You are the best

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of the best, and this episode we'll make them better. Guys,

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have we got an episode for you today? We have

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the breakout movie for multiple actors, the breakout movie for

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a pair of producers that are arguably the biggest blockbuster

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producers of all times, that ultimately ends in a fiery

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crash when a naked rehab doctor is found dead of

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a drug overdose in Don Simpson's poolhouse. Is this going

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to be an exciting episode or what?

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear that story because I have

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not come across that in my research. Okay, d I

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should talk about how we sorry, sorry we Yeah, they

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should talk about how this episode has been postponed three times, three.

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Speaker 2: Times because this movie was supposed to come out in

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twenty twenty and then COVID and then twenty and twenty

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one and still COVID. And now finally, week from today,

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when you guys are listening to this, we will be

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watching Top Gun Maverick, the long awaited sequel to Top Gun.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be fantastic. The reviews are already spectacular. Yes,

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so call it the movie of the year. Really, yes, wow,

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best picture of the year is what I've seen.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, next week we are going to give you

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our take. We're going to we are reviewing this movie

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for you. We are going to see it before it

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is released to the general public, and we will tell

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you are the critics right or are they wrong? I

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think we're gonna love it either way.

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Speaker 3: Probably probably, So all right, hey, I will tell you

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this people, if you're listening to this podcast today, this

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is all Top Gun nineteen eighty six. Okay, so there's

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no spoilers in this episode. Now, next week, when we

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talk about Top Gun Maverick, we're going to give you

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a preview.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna give you.

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Speaker 3: Kind of the history. Yeah, and then we'll tell you

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at certain point that this is the spoiler zone. Okay, right,

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you're entering the highway to the spoiler zone. Okay, go

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all right, So come back next week. Listen to us,

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and we'll give you plenty of room to hit the

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eject button and then you can see it on your own.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So let us start with the amazing pairing

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of two of the most iconic producers of the eighties

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and nineties. I can't wait to hear your Sins and

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Bruckheimer stuff here. Okay. So, Jerry Bruckheimer was mister outside

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and Don Simpson was mister inside. Okay, They're both born

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about the same time, different places. Jerry Brookheimer came up

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in Detroit. Don Simpson was born in Seattle, ended up

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being raised in Juno a last, and knowing what you

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know about his life, you will be surprised to find

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out that he considered himself a straight a Bible student.

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His parents were devout Baptists. He went to church four

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to five times per week, knew the Bible backwards and forwards,

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but it didn't stick.

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Speaker 3: I guess Don Simpson, Don Simpson mister cocaine and hookers.

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Speaker 2: Mister cocaine and hookers. So Don Simpson, raised in Alaska

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under this straight laced conservative household, ultimately leaves and becomes

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a ski instructor in Utah. Then he moves on to

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San Francisco, where he gets into theatrical advertising and does

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pr for the first International Erotic Film Festival. All right,

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you can see that too, knowing what we know about him,

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and ultimately he ends up in La marketing for the

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Warner Brothers exploitation films, including Woodstock, the documentary on Woodstock. Okay,

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you know, like Martin Scorsese and the other guys when

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they were nobody's at that time, right, and a movie

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you might have heard of called a Clockwork Orange. Yeah,

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for sure. Now, Bruckheimer, let's just just take a pause,

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just for a second. Let's let me throw this out here. Flashdance,

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Beverly Hills, Cop Top Gun, The Rock, Crimson Tide, Conair, Armageddon,

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Enemy of the State, Black Hawk Down, Bad Boys Franchise,

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Pirates of the Caribbean Franchise, National Treasure one and two,

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the CSI series, all of them, Cold Case, The Amazing Race,

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all from Jerry Brookheim. He's got the golden touch. In

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high school, he was a stamp collector. He liked photography

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and stamps. He went to school, got a psychology major

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from the University of Arizona. He also went to work

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for an advertising agency that did commercials for Pontiac, Gto

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and Pepsi, and he decided, Hey, I'm going to go

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out to Hollywood start working with some directors. One of

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the guys he worked with was Dick Richards, who did

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Toutsie and Heat. Yeah, hadn't done much at that point,

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but in nineteen seventy three, some important events happened. Number one,

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he meets Don Simpson. Okay, Number two, Don Simpson, it's

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a job at Paramount. And then number three, a experienced

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pilot named Peter Pettigrew was released from active duty as

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a naval pilot. All of these things happen in nineteen

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seventy three. Yes, even though they met back in seventy three,

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they didn't start working together until later. Don Simpson gets

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a job at Paramount. He co writes a movie with

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Paul Bartel, who had done Death Race two thousand. Yeah,

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you know what the movie is that they co wrote,

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Speaker 3: Or whatever his name is really really.

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Speaker 2: Seventy five they wrote that. By seventy seven, Don Simpson

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is the VP of Production. By nineteen eighty one, he

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is president of Paramount and in nineteen eighty two he

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gets fired because he has passed out on drugs in

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the middle of a meeting.

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Speaker 3: I read that too, But.

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Speaker 2: Michael Aisner Jeffrey Cassenberg know that he's a talented guy.

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He's just obviously struggling with a drug issue. Before he

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became known as Mister Inside, he was known as don

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because Eisner and Katzenberg are really fond of him, really

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think he's got some talent, he just can't lead this company.

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They say, hey, we want you to stay on as

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a producer, and they give him the movie Flash Dance,

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and that is when he goes and finds his friend

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Jerry Bruckheimer and says, can you help me out with us?

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Speaker 3: Flash Dance was one of the first times you took

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great imagery and paired it up with the MTV rock

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and roll music video type of feel. They hit it

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big with Flash Dance, right, So that.

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Speaker 2: Was really the first big hit for both of them.

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And in nineteen eighty four they come out with Beverly

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Speaker 3: By the Way, before we move on, Yeah, just please

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no charismatic people, charismanic characters. You know, interesting stories, great soundtracks, rock.

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Speaker 2: And roll, high energy, and action is almost what Don

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Simpson's life was. Yeah it's true, right, yeah, I mean

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it says though he could pick that out, he wanted

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to live that life and he wanted to make those movies.

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goes to the dentist. He picks up a magazine in

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the dentist's office, Are you kidding? And he flips to

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this article that's written by elid You nay, that's about

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the top was that guy's name again, elid yone? Okay?

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And it's about the top gun flight school in Miramar, California.

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he gets the phone and calls the guy who wrote

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the article and says, this is awesome. I want to

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do this as a movie. Can I buy it from you?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 2: The guy seems interested. He goes to Katzenberg and Eisner

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and says, hey, this is going to be like Star

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Wars here on Earth? Will you let me do this movie?

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dollars to buy the script and to hire the writers.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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Speaker 2: He's fascinated by the call names of these guys. You've

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Speaker 3: Rat and all kinds of viper and all these guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also fascinated by like the reflection and the

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helmets and just the imagery of what looked like space

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fighters here in the blue skies of the world.

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Speaker 3: Star Wars on Earth. How can you go wrong with that?

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Speaker 2: So ultimately, how you can go wrong is they release

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a television series about aviators from the nineteen fifties that

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totally tanks, and the guys at Paramount freak out and

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they put the script in Turnaround. So at this point,

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Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson go to Michael Aisner and

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Jeffrey Katzenberg and they're begging them not to put the

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script in Turnaround. Don Simpson literally gets down on his

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hands and knees and begs and if you know Don Simpson,

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that's pretty impressive. Right. Yeah, They were impressed, and they

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decided to let them keep it going, and they gave

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them fourteen million dollars to shoot it.

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Speaker 3: See, Okay, this is crazy, because I did hear that

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they were impressed by their enthusiasm, Like, if these guys

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believe in this project that much, we've got to let

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Speaker 2: So the guys that they hired to write this movie

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were Jack Epps and Jim Cash. And the impression that

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I got was that these guys were really on fire

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at the time. And I looked and Jack Epps has

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like some TV writing credits and Jim Cash has no

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writing credits before Top Gun. So I don't know how

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it is that these two guys were the guys that

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they wanted to use. You got any insight on them?

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say Bruckheimer, I saw his interview

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and he said they felt like Cash and Epps were

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the best writers in the business at that moment, and

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for them not to have any credits, I was like, Wow,

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that's a really curious thing to say. But it turns

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out that Cash and Epps had written these four or

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five or six screenplays they just couldn't get anything made.

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Speaker 2: They were hot to have them right, and they were

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I got to throw in a quick plug

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in for our over at the Film By podcast. Okay,

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So Brad and Jeff film by podcast, Hey Jeff, They

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focus on a movie in nineteen eighty six about every

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two or three weeks. Anyway, They actually invited me, I'm

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coming over there. I'm gonna do an episode on Legal Eagles.

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I was watching Legal Eagles the other day right there,

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right after Robert Redford. It's like a screenplay by Cash

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Speaker 2: There you go. So. Jim Cash was a three time

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college dropout who drops back into college at Michigan State University,

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gets his bachelor's degree in English, and then he goes

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and gets a master's degree in television and radio, and

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he becomes a professor. He's teaching over in Michigan, Okay.

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Like his entire life, he didn't go over there. A

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student named Jack Apps Junior, who does go out to California,

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and I'm guessing he gets out there and he's like, hey,

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professor Jim right they Professor Cash, I'm out here. You've

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got great writing abilities. Why don't we work together on

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these scripts? That they would talk to each other on

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the phone for hours and hours. Epps was the guy

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who was there in Hollywood doing all of the deals,

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and just Jim stayed over in Michigan and had a happy,

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quiet little life as he wrote these amazing screenplays.

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Speaker 3: I heard Jack Apps talk about when they offered him

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Top Gun, he said he wanted to ride it because

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he was a private pilot and he was hoping to

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get a jet ride.

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Speaker 2: So they've got the writers, they've got the budget. Now

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we've got to have a director, and they can't find

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anybody who they feel comfortable doing the aerial footage. Like

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and sixties. It's nothing's good has been done in years,

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and so they're like, Okay, well, let's just start looking

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at directors. And one of the portfolios that they look

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at is from this guy named Tony Scott.

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Speaker 3: Tony Scott is the younger brother of Ridley Scott.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, work together with him at the company that they

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that did advertisements before they started making movies. That's right.

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Speaker 3: I also have in my notes that they went to

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John Carpenter and David Cronenberg to see if they wanted

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just a little interesting coincidence. We're about to cover a

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was The Hunger. And we've talked about vampire movies, you

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and I quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: I love vampire movies.

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Speaker 2: And one of the movies that I said, hey, here's

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one I've never seen this, have you seen it? It

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was The Hunger. Yeah, how'd you feel about The Hunt?

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Speaker 3: That movie sucks so incredibly boring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are not alone in your assessment of that movie.

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Everybody thought The Hunger sucked. And Tony Scott couldn't get

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a job in Hollywood for four years, but he was

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still doing advertising and one of the things that he

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was doing advertising for was the SOB car Saab SOB car. Right.

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His commercial involved the SOB in a sort of race

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with a contemporary Fighter jet. I saw this commercial and

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it's cool looking. Oh, it's way cool. I remember the

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commercial from when I was a kid. As it turned out,

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it was the best aerial footage they could find of anybody,

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and so they said, hey, Tony, how about you come

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direct this movie for us? Now. His idea initially was

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to have it be like Apocalypse now on the seat,

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and they're like, no, that's not it. And it took

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a lot of back and forth, a lot of back

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and forth, and finally he just wakes up one morning

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and he's like, Okay, I think I got it. Now

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it's got to be a rock video in the sky.

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And he called he said, how about rock video in

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the sky and Jerry Bruckheimer and Donald Simpson are like, yes,

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you figured it out, that's it, and so they tag

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him to direct the movie. He was fired three times

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during this I know three times. The first time is

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for filming that opening sequence in slow motion. Yes, he's

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He's like, I filmed several sequences. I kind of wanted

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slow motion. I knew they didn't, but I wanted a

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slow motion bit. So I filmed like five reels and

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one of them was slow motion, and the camera guys

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sent my slow motion to them and they fired me. Fortunately,

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they were hired me within twenty four hours. And he

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goes and then I decided to make Kelly McGillis look

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like a whore, and they said, you're fired. I know, Okay,

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well it's got to be for sure. This time at

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they rehired him again. Toned down, how slutty she looked, right.

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And the third time he got fired was because he

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was shooting scenes with the guys with their visors down.

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Speaker 3: The actors.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the actors, and they hired the actors because of

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their face. Yes, and so it was not he said

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once again, I had shot multiple reels with the mask up,

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shot one reel with the mask down, and of course

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the cameramen send in the one with the mask down.

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I got fired again. I think the cameramen were against

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me on this. Now.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I think is vitally important to

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this project is that Paramount got the US Navy on board.

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That's a huge key. For instance, you go watch Iron

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Eagle about a teenager who steals a jet away from

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the Navy. Oh, the Navy's like bull crab, We're not

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signing on boy in no way, right, We're not putting

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our name on this.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Instead, they work in collaboration with the Navy, and all

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of a sudden you get access to real jets you

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get access to real flying, you get a top gun

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and it's pilots.

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Speaker 2: Now you think about the budget on this movie of

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fourteen million dollars, I think it ended up being close

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to sixteen, but still a sixteen million dollars movie that

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you've got real, live f fourteen footage, I mean exploding

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planes in the sky. It's amazing that it was done

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for this budget. But the deal was with the Navy

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when they got them to buy in. The Navy didn't

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charge them for anything except fuel. But if you get

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all of those shots, plus if the Navy was doing

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aerial work anyway, they could film it and it was nothing.

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It was no cost to the Navy, and so you

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get this amazing footage for pennies. Yes, it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the Navy wanted a technical advisor on the

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set at all times make sure these guys do it right.

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But they couldn't have anybody in active service. They'd been

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burned during the movie the Final Countdown. Yea and the

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CEO of the base got in trouble for giving access

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to maybe some top secret stuff on accident, and it

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was just a bad deal, and so they needed to

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hire a non active duty technical advisor.

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Speaker 2: Right. So, when Tony had gotten the job, he thought, Okay,

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I'm going to go do some research. He goes down

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to Miramar to do research at the top Gun facility,

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talk to the top gun pilots. This is where he

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meets Pete Pettigrew, who I mentioned earlier. Now Pete was

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a former top gun aviator. Ultimately becomes a consultant on

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the film after Tony spends several days hanging out, talking

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and drinking together. Let me give a little backstory on

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Pete Pettigrew because I had to go look. Okay, yeah, yeah.

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So he goes to Stanford. He's an All American in

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both swimming and water polo. He was on the nineteen

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sixty three National Championship water polo team. He graduates Stanford

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in nineteen sixty four and of course immediately goes into

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the Navy. Enters flight training in November sixty four, and

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by June of sixty six he is given his Naval

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aviator status. He is highly decorated. He flew in over

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three hundred and seventy five combat missions, and in nineteen

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seventy he is picked to join the fledgling Navy Fighter

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Weapons school as an instructor. Can you give me a

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little snippet on this weapon school?

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Speaker 3: On March third, nineteen sixty nine, the United States Navy

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established an elite school for the top one percent of

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its pilots. Its purpose was to teach the lost art

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of aerial combat and to ensure that the handful of

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men who graduated were the best fighter pilots in the world.

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They succeeded. Today, the Navy calls it Fighter Webons School.

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The flyers call it top.

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Speaker 2: Gun of it. I love it. So. Pete Pettigrew came

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in in nineteen seventy when it's brand new YEP, and

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is an instructor there until January of seventy two. In

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May of seventy two, he and his wingman engage four

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North Vietnamese MiGs over Vietnam. He takes out one, his

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leader takes out the other one, and the other two

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go away. They knocked out, They bug out.

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Speaker 3: They bug out.

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Speaker 2: Not one enemy shot is fired.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So Pete Pettigrew, one of the original instructors there is

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still over there in the eighties. Whenever Tony Scott comes over,

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you know his call sign is by the way I

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do Viper. It's the reason that Tom Skerritt's character is

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named Viper, and it's also the reason why Pete Mitchell

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Maverick's character is named Pete instead of Evan exactly. So,

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right before he started working, he was still obviously there.

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He's still in the reserves, he's still helping out and

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doing stuff. He was also compeding in Ironman Triathlons before

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it was even really a thing over in Honolulu, and

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he has a part in the movie. Yeah, he does.

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So when Kelly McGillis, you know, has to leave to

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go meet with her date, he's the date.

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Speaker 3: He's the older guy.

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Speaker 2: He's the old man. I'm watched this movie, I'm like,

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why is she with that old dude? And then I

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just started thinking, I'm like, he was in his mid

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forties at that time. That makes me an old dude.

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At this point.

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Speaker 3: He's in his mid forties, he's competing in triathlons. He's

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a awesome super pilot, smart guy, and he's the he's

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the old man.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, he was a part of a swim relay

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group that's seventy plus year old guys, all of them

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who swam across the Catalina show. God. He is a

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bad ass among bad asses. He really is, and I

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see why they named Viper after him. He is the

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elite and the elite. He's the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: I did hear Rick Rossovich talked about when you hang

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out with these top gun pilots. He said, he's talking

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to guys they're the best fighter pilots in the world.

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And the guy said, well, yeah, I'm a great fighter pilot,

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but I'm also a concert pianist. Oh I'm also studying,

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got my doctorate in philosophy. He's like, these guys are

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just extra super talented people.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And probably they go hand in hand. Ultra competitive,

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mega competitive. An important note, an unrealistic part of this

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movie is the Top Gun trophy, right, and Pete Pettigrew said,

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if there had been an actual trophy, no one would

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have survived the Top Gun School because they would have

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all killed each other trying to That's how competitive they are.

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That's awesome. So a couple of the other guys that

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were involved. You had Scott Altman, whose call sign was Scooter. Okay. Now,

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Scott Altman was the guy who you see given the

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bird to the meg at the beginning of the movie. Okay,

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and buzzing the tower was one forbidden like it did

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not happen, Like, if you did that in real life,

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hand in your wings, you're done. You're never gonna get again.

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But they had to have it for the movie, and

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so he's like, well, I guess we have to have

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it for the movie. And so he is the first

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guy to actually buzz the tower. He ended up doing

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it nine times, but the first time they didn't know

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it was coming. That is awesome. Actually got in trouble

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and it wasn't that the guy just spilled his coffee.

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They blew the windows out of the eyes. That's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I did hear that? Michael Ironside, the guy who

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plays Jester, said that he was in a hangar. He's like,

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I was in the hangar. I was like upstairs in

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the hangar because those things aren't very tall, and I

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saw that tom Cat below me, and he's like, it's

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the craziest thing I'd ever seen. And in fact, by

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the time he had done it several times, people were

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gathering in the streets, going, what the f is going

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on here? They thought that some fire pilot had gone crazy.

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And was like, this is my last flight and I'm

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gonna go out in a ball of fire.

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Speaker 2: So that was Scott Scooter Altman, who would go on

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after the movie to become a NASA astronaut, the guy

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who buzzed the tower, the guy who had them watch

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the birdie.

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Speaker 3: You know finger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, just does that. Yes, he became an astronaut

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at the NASA program in space. That is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One other pilot that I have to talk about is

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Art Shoal. Yeah, we definitely need to talk about him.

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So Art Shoal was a guy who had educated himself

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as a pilot, got his master's in aviation, was a teacher,

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had taught aviation for eighteen years, felt like he was stagnating,

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and that said, after eighteen years of teaching, like I'm

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gonna go be a stunt pilot. Yeah, and then he

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did it for the next thirty years. Like every major

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aviation film that you've seen, Art Shoal was almost certainly

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a part of it. He did air shows, he did movies,

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he did television commercials. Over two hundred films, documentaries and

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TV commercials just for Art Shoal. So the original script

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had a flat spin in that they wanted to get

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footage for right and Arshall was like, no problem, I'll

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go back up. And he had been shooting all day long,

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and of course was one of those like you know,

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you don't really need to go do this. He's like, no,

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I'm good, I'm gonna do this. I'll get it, we'll

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be done. So he goes up over the Pacific Ocean,

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goes into his flat spin and then they hear him

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say I have a problem. And then he says I

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have a big problem. And that's the last day ever

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hear of him. It never recovered his plane or his body. Yeah,

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so this movie was dedicated to his memory because he

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lost his life in filming it.

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Speaker 3: I heard that he was filming like second unit stuff.

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Oh yeah, like stuff to be projected behind Tom Cruise

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while he's you know, in the in the fake cockpit.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, just.

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Speaker 3: Just junk stuff, not even screenworthy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That was a bummer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's flip back to Jack Epps for just a second.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 3: We talked about how he was interested in this because

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he was a commercial pilot and he was hoping to

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get a jet right out of it.

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Speaker 2: They brought him down.

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Speaker 3: To San Diego and he started hanging out with navy pilots. Now,

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I called you the other day we were in. I

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was in and I'm like, okay, I've got this thing

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00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,359
figured out. So one of the things that he found

472
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,960
out when he was hanging out with these pilots is

473
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720
that they have a language all their own. So sitting

474
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,240
at the bar with these guys and they're talking about

475
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,839
you know, ACM and you know, I got the RIO

476
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,440
in the back, and he's like, I don't even know

477
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,200
what these words mean, but they do, and they all

478
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,079
speak the same language. And he said, it was a

479
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,720
conscious decision. Do we try and like explain this to

480
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:26,960
the audience or they just put the pedal down and

481
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,480
hope that the audience can keep up.

482
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: Just drop them in the middle of it. Just drop

483
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:30,880
them in the middle of it.

484
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: And so that's why you have RIO. And not once

485
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,519
do they ever say Radio intelligence officer, You're just expected

486
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,559
to keep up. So he gets his jet flight, he

487
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,440
gets in there and he realizes when there's you start

488
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,400
pulling four or five gs, He's like, right, you know

489
00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,440
it beat you to death's And he started to realize

490
00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:54,480
this is a super physical job. He goes, this is

491
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:58,720
about aerial combat maneuvers, but really what it's about is sports.

492
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,359
He said, this is the great greatest sporting event I've

493
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,319
ever been a part of. At that moment, he decided,

494
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,720
all these guys are going to be stud athletes.

495
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: You have to have the trophy in order for it

496
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,039
to be a sports movie, which is why they took

497
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:13,200
that little deviation.

498
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: You know, when they were talking to Pete Pedigrew that,

499
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,759
you know, all of his Navy guys are like, Pedigrew, what,

500
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,680
what in the world They've got a Navy trophy? What

501
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,880
are you crazy? He's like, guys, I'm just trying to

502
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,079
keep them from making it a musical at this point.

503
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,319
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they had a story and the b story,

504
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720
and one was the flying and the jets and the competition,

505
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,640
and the other was the love story. And they kept

506
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160
realizing that the love story kept growing and growing, Like

507
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,440
oh my gosh, yeah, Berlin song in here before too.

508
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk.

509
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: About the soundtracks here in a second. Yeah, so listen

510
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:47,519
to this.

511
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 3: So when Ebbs turned into screenplay to Don Simpson and Bruckheimer,

512
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,480
they said it was the greatest screenplay they had ever seen.

513
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,079
Epps was like, this was music to my ears. Yeah,

514
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,920
every screenwriter wants to hear this. But then Pedigrew read

515
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,599
it and he's like, I know, the Navy's not gonna

516
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,960
make this. There's absolutely no way they're going to go

517
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:05,240
for this.

518
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,839
Speaker 2: A key reason that the Navy didn't want to be

519
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,240
involved with Hollywood is for the last twenty years, Hollywood

520
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,319
had been against the army. I mean we're talking about

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,839
Vietnam era, We're talking about Yeah, the military was not

522
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,519
portrayed in a favorable light at all, and a few

523
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,480
of the artists and actors who were involved, are almost involved,

524
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,599
didn't become involved because they thought it was a pro

525
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,880
war movie, and it kind of was. It was. This

526
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:33,160
was a flag waving, chest pumping I'm an American, let's

527
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,359
go kick ass movie.

528
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,519
Speaker 3: It absolutely is.

529
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,279
Speaker 2: Which was unlike anything had been for probably thirty years.

530
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,319
That's very true.

531
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,559
Speaker 3: So the Navy was in a little bit of a dilemma.

532
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,279
They needed some positive propaganda. And of course Simpson and

533
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:49,279
Bruckheimer are you know, balls out cowboys, so.

534
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,039
Speaker 2: Right, So Pedtigrew knew that the Navy.

535
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,759
Speaker 3: Wouldn't go for it because Goose's death in the original

536
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,599
script caused for a in air collision.

537
00:26:58,759 --> 00:26:59,799
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, yeah.

538
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: So he goes to him and he's like, guys, Navy's

539
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,240
not going to go for this and in their collision,

540
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,240
no way. We are absolute competent pilots. This would not happen,

541
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,279
no chance. And they're like, well, okay, Goose needs to die.

542
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,240
Help us out, okay, right, Goose needs to die. Mavericks

543
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,720
needs to feel responsible, but the Navy can't hold him accountable, okay.

544
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,359
And so Pettigrew's like, okay, let's see here, and he's

545
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,720
going through this list of accidents in his head. He

546
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,599
comes to one where a guy flew through a jetwash

547
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,039
that he couldn't see it caused his jet to spin

548
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,319
in a flat spin.

549
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,079
Speaker 2: Guy's name was Gary Barrett. Bean was his call name,

550
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,960
bean Bean. And so here's the interesting story. They'd never

551
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,079
fully explain the flat spin and jet and Goose's death.

552
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,079
Speaker 3: Okay, I've seen a thousand times now, it really makes

553
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,519
sense to me. So when the plane spins on its jaw,

554
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,240
the centrifugal force throws the pilot forward, and if you

555
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:54,880
look in the movie, Maverick's face is pressed against the

556
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,359
glass up front, he can't reach the ejection handles behind him,

557
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,680
and since the Rio is closer to the center of

558
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,400
the spin, it's easier for him to grab the ejection.

559
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: Cords or whatever.

560
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: But when you eject, there's two parts to it. There's

561
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,759
one the blast off of the canopy and then the

562
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,680
second is the ejection seat. And they always tell the Rio,

563
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,400
don't panic, make sure the canopy clears.

564
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: Before you eject.

565
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: Well, pe Pettigrew remembered a specific accident that happened where

566
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,640
the Rio pulled the ejector seat too quickly because there's

567
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920
a low pressure spot above the plane and that canopy

568
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,279
wants to hover right there. And so absolutely positively happened

569
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,440
in real life Goose's accident.

570
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,319
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if the guy died, but he didn't.

571
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,920
They walked away from the accident. One of them broke

572
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,960
a leg, but they were able to get away without

573
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,279
more significant injury.

574
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:45,759
Speaker 3: Now, here's my funny story about call signs, right, Okay, Yeah,

575
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,680
So I just got back from a trip with my

576
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,559
buddy Doug Huggin.

577
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: Doug's a listener.

578
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: He's excited about our top Gun episode, and so he

579
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,039
has a call sign right his name is Doug Huggin.

580
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,319
I said, what's your call sign? He says, Huggy right, okay,

581
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,839
and he said he got off light right, uh huh.

582
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,359
He knew somebody in the Navy and his call sign

583
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
was Skip. He said, think of your worst mistake and

584
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,680
think of a funny name involving that, and that's how

585
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,640
you get your call sign.

586
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:11,079
Speaker 2: Okay.

587
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: So these cool names like Maverick and you know, Iceman

588
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,799
and all this stuff. His buddy's name was Skip because

589
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,960
he landed one time a little bit hard and went

590
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:21,799
like bounced off the ground.

591
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, they noted in the commentary the fighter pilots

592
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,240
who were involved with the movie noted, you absolutely cannot

593
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:35,599
give yourself your own call sign. Yeah, because one guy

594
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,119
tried to do it and give himself the call sign

595
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,599
of Shark, and he was Mino for the rest of

596
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,119
his career.

597
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 4: I could totally see that.

598
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,079
Speaker 3: So one of the things that you said is that

599
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,480
paramount when they went to Katzenberg and they got on

600
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,200
the ground, they kissed his foot and they said, please, please, please,

601
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,039
we're begging you to keep this alive. Well it didn't happen.

602
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,279
The picture died right, and it sat until the was

603
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,279
turnover at Paramount. When the new management came in, they

604
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,680
went to lunch with Simpson and Bruckheimer and they said, well,

605
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640
what do you guys got We got nothing in the pipeline.

606
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: What do you have?

607
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: First thing out of his mouth, he's like, well, we've

608
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
got this thing called top Gun and it's about airplanes

609
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200
and fighter pilots and it's amazing and we love it

610
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,559
and we want to do it. The guy said how

611
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:33,119
much and he said fourteen million. Guy said go for it.

612
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,799
It was dead until new management took over and he

613
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,680
said the right word, fourteen million.

614
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 2: Right. Okay, So we've got the director, got the script, yep,

615
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,440
we've got the money, yep. Who are we going to

616
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,160
put in the movie?

617
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: So Jack Apps went to Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer

618
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000
and said, guys, while I'm writing this, I'm thinking Tom Cruise.

619
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,559
Tom Cruise got his first movie in Endless Love. Then

620
00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,920
in nineteen eighty three he did The Outsiders with Patrick

621
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,799
Swayze and see Thomas Howell and Emilia Estavez and Robblow.

622
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: We're going to cover that next.

623
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,839
Speaker 3: Year, right, They needed risky business. And then he did

624
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,960
all the right moves and then he died legend with

625
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:13,759
Ridley Scott Ye and so Jack Apps kept pushing for

626
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680
him to be the guy. But here's the list of

627
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:18,039
all most Mavericks.

628
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:18,599
Speaker 2: You want to hear.

629
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,279
Speaker 3: You want to hear the list of almost Mavericks.

630
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:21,279
Speaker 2: I do, okay.

631
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,119
Speaker 3: Some of these I was like, yeah, I don't know.

632
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,799
This is just kind of a list of everybody at

633
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,480
the time. Some of them, I'm like, wait.

634
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:27,599
Speaker 2: A minute, what, So here you go.

635
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: Matthew Modine was the closest one.

636
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: He was one of those guys who said pro war movie,

637
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,920
I'm out. So he does full metal jacket. Well, in

638
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,119
full metal jacket, he's an anti warman. It is. It

639
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,000
is absolutely yes, it is. Okay.

640
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,519
Speaker 3: So here's the other guys they had in mind. Tom

641
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:48,319
Hanks in nineteen eighty six, Michael J. Fox, Sean Penn,

642
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,279
Matthew Broderick, Nicholas Cage, Emilieu Stevez.

643
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,599
Speaker 2: So far, he's the closest one I could see to

644
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
be in Maverick. But still Billy the Kid in an

645
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,799
F fourteen. Sure I could go for that.

646
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:06,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, John Hughes, Patrick Swayze, Scott Bao, Scott Bayo. Then

647
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,759
you've got other names like Kevin Bacon, Eric Stoltz, Rob

648
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,960
Low Charlie Sheen at age eighteen, too young.

649
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,559
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but man has the right look.

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,559
Speaker 3: Then he does todper Harley a couple of years later

651
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:18,319
in Hot Shots.

652
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: Right, Jim Carrey, What.

653
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey is a name on the list. No, Jim Carrey.

654
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,319
Speaker 2: In eighty five they've got they're looking at Jim Carrey. Yeah,

655
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:28,319
that's nuts.

656
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: And then ready for this one, uh huh, get your

657
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,720
disco shoes on, John Travolta.

658
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Honestly, he was still very young at

659
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,839
that time. Yeah, right, age to be a fighter pilot

660
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,799
for sure. Yep. Yeah, totally could see that, but he

661
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,440
was too expensive. I could also see that he was

662
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,759
the number one box office draw Okay, last one for you. RDJ.

663
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,880
Robert Downey Jr. Oh wow, yeah I can see that too,

664
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,839
Tony Stark, Yeah I could. So they kept revising the script,

665
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880
and every time they would revise the script, they'd send

666
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,559
it to Tom Cruise and go, what do you think?

667
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,319
Because he was the guy all those other guys, he

668
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,519
was always the guy that they wanted, yes, and he

669
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,359
never would commit.

670
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,559
Speaker 3: He expressed some interest, but they could never get him

671
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:06,079
to sort.

672
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: Of sign it on the dotted line, right, And so

673
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,759
finally Jerry Bruckhmmer's like, we're gonna get this kid up

674
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,279
in the air. Yep calls his buddy at the Naval

675
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,440
aviation He's like, when the Blue Angels going up again.

676
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,039
Yep tells him. He's like, okay, come out, we're gonna

677
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,559
take you up. So there's this fantastic picture that I

678
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,839
have that is Tom Cruise skinny with a ponytail, because

679
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,920
he's just finished up Bridley Scott's legend and they're about

680
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,759
to take him up. They take him up and he

681
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:42,720
throws up everybody. He's like, grabs the bag. He's trying

682
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:43,400
to get into the bag.

683
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,799
Speaker 6: Oh and he, you know, finally kind of recovers and

684
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,559
he's like, okay, well I've already thrown up, might as

685
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:53,640
well see what this thing can do.

686
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: And that's never something you're going to say to a

687
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,119
fighter pilot. Oh yeah, sure is shooting. They showed him

688
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,359
what he could do, brought him back down. He went,

689
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,920
walked over to the payphone, called his agent and said,

690
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,880
I want to do this movie, make it happen.

691
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 3: I feel the need, the need first me.

692
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,119
Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome. So here's what I heard.

693
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: As he's in the jet and he bends to barfing

694
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,840
the bag again, and as soon as he does, he

695
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,679
does a straight, like five g climb straight up. So

696
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,079
he's heaving and his face is like on the floor.

697
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,800
And his pilot's name was Boso, right right, and so

698
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,960
he's hitting the Callsigne trying to go Boso Boso, and

699
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,559
then finally he releases and he is able to pop

700
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:40,480
back up and he's like, dude, didn't you hear me?

701
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: The guy said, well, they don't call me Boso for nothing.

702
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,119
Speaker 3: So he said when he got off the plane, he

703
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:48,320
showed everybody held up the bag like here it is.

704
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 7: Guys.

705
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Iceman for just a second.

706
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you guys really are cowboys.

707
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,559
Speaker 3: What's your problem because as.

708
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 7: You're everyone's problem.

709
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 5: That's because every time you go the air, you're unsafe.

710
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,480
I don't like you because you're dangerous.

711
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: That's right, nice man, I am dangerous. Val Kilmer did

712
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,320
not want to do this movie. He thought it was

713
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,920
stupid and silly. Yeah, so when when they said something

714
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,960
to him about flying, he was like, no way. As

715
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,360
soon as we are done filming my part, I am

716
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,599
the heck out of here. He had no interest in

717
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:29,519
this movie at all, and as a part of that deal,

718
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,519
he still hung out with the guys and played with him,

719
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,079
but he would not communicate with Tom Cruise.

720
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: It's the whole Greasers and the socials thing. Yeah, So

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,639
Val Kilmer had done real genius and he had done

722
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,159
Tom secret, top secret. He's notorious for being very difficult right.

723
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,679
In fact, the director of the Island of Doctor Moreau,

724
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
the guy who worked with him later in the nineties,

725
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,519
said if I were making a movie called The Life

726
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,199
and Times of Val Kilmer, I would not hire.

727
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: That pract And this is a guy who worked on

728
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,760
a movie with him and Marlon Brando, I know, right right.

729
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,639
Of the two of those, you're not going to expect

730
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,519
Marlon Brando to be the more agreeable one. The other

731
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,039
guys who flew also threw up everywhere, except for Anthony Edwards. No, no, no, no,

732
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,840
that There's Two. I was in Goose Boys. Anthony Edwards

733
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,880
did not throw up. There's Two is a Goose Boys.

734
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: So Anthony Edwards is the charming good nature everybody likes

735
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,880
him Goose you know, so.

736
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,079
Speaker 2: He's perfect for this part. A lot of his lines

737
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,039
are improvised. And he is a funny guy anyway, and

738
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:33,199
he's lovable, boyish, fun and a good friend like he

739
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,960
just he captured that good friend, comedy cut up guy perfectly.

740
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,679
Speaker 4: You know what.

741
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,079
Speaker 3: He never did his character never went to Maverick and said,

742
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,559
stop doing this cowboy crap. We're gonna get kicked out

743
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,440
of here. He just kept going, hey, man, listen, I

744
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,199
know you're Duke Mitchell's kid, and you know this and that,

745
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,360
and we'll make it and you know right, kind of

746
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,239
very softly guiding him.

747
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 2: At first, I was worried about being the best, and

748
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,159
now I'm just worried of making it through the program.

749
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,400
I got a family. I can't afford to blow this.

750
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: Also, Anthony Edwards did not know he was going to

751
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,800
sing Great Balls of Fire that day. Tony's god just

752
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,360
went to him and said, hey, listen, I've been listening

753
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,360
to jer Lee Lewis. We're gonna try something. You're gonna

754
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,280
seeing great balls of Fire. You check my nerve then

755
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,639
rather on my brain too much.

756
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: Loved of the man insane, You browed my wheel.

757
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: Race Great ball of Fire.

758
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,559
Speaker 2: He doesn't play piano either. Name of that bar that

759
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,960
they are in is called the Kansas City Barbecue. Yes,

760
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,920
how's the piano? Has it a juke box? Ended up

761
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,360
getting a bunch of memorabilia and then and I think

762
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,719
the early two thousand had a kitchen fire burned. Almost

763
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,320
everything piano survived, but almost everything else would burn.

764
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Charlie for a second.

765
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 5: What were you doing there?

766
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: Communicating?

767
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 5: Communicating, you know, giving him the bird? You know the finger, Yes,

768
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,719
I know the finger goose.

769
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,679
Speaker 3: So Charlie played by Kelly McGillis.

770
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 4: So here's here.

771
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,599
Speaker 2: You're almost on, Charlie.

772
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 3: This list is amazing. Julianne Phillips okay, married to Bruce Springsteen.

773
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,559
Kind of a eighties actress. Whatever, Yeah, she's okay, Ali,

774
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,760
sheety almost got the part. She turned it down because

775
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,719
she did not think anyone would want to watch a

776
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,320
movie about Tom Cruise flying jets.

777
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: She was wrong about Deborah Winger. You can see that.

778
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,440
I don't know about that one man, really, I mean

779
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,239
urban cowboy, Yeah, I could see that. Okay, Brooks Shields hmm, No,

780
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,559
too young and pretty at that time.

781
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 3: Speaking of too young and pretty, Daryl Hannah, Diane Lane,

782
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,280
Sarah Jessica Parker, Dian Lane would have been great. Well,

783
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,880
she's gorgeous, but is she old enough to be her instructor?

784
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,519
Speaker 2: All too young? Okay. That was an important feature as well,

785
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,760
with the Navy saying no, you can't do it this

786
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400
way because the original script called for him to be

787
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,920
in love with another Navy officer. Yep, and they said no,

788
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,239
they are not allowed to fraternize at all. And they're like, well,

789
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,280
are they ever around civilians and they're like, yeah, we've

790
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,079
got you know, inspectors and auditors, technical advisors. Well could

791
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,159
she be one of those? Okay? Yeah, And that's how

792
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:13,639
that happened.

793
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:15,599
Speaker 3: So here's here's the rest of my list, though, Linda

794
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,280
Florentino turned down this role. And here's the one that's

795
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,840
gonna blow you ay ready Yeah, Carrie Fisher.

796
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: That would have been a void one. Carrie Fisher, I

797
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,639
mean Star Wars on Earth, right, she was old enough

798
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,639
to be the instructor. She was also three years away

799
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,239
from the Slave Girl outfit and Return of the Jedi,

800
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
so she's looking good. So she was looking great yeah,

801
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,079
and old enough, and she almost got the part in

802
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,159
Saturday Night Fever. And she would have been probably a

803
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:42,920
better height fit for Tom Cruise too.

804
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Killy McGillis is almost six feet tall.

805
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said.

806
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: The entire time they were filming, she had to wear

807
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,679
her bare feet.

808
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she sat hunched over the whole. She's like,

809
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,519
I watched that movie and I see my posture and

810
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,079
I'm like, oh, no, you know why she was cast?

811
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Tell me she was cast? I do know why want

812
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:04,519
you to say it. She was cast.

813
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: Because she was old enough.

814
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,039
Speaker 2: She was twenty nine.

815
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: She had just come off a Witness and Tony Scott

816
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,199
had seen her with her shirt off in Witness.

817
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:18,039
Speaker 2: In Witness, yes, it was like, she's pretty and sophisticated

818
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,519
and she took her top off in Witness, So there

819
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:24,159
you go. That was enough for him. So listen to this.

820
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: The character portrayed by Kelly McGillis is based on Christine

821
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,719
fox Yep, who is a civilian flight instructor that everybody

822
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,960
met while they're in Miramar.

823
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: Right.

824
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: She eventually went through the ranks and retired in twenty

825
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,280
fourteen as Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense, the highest post

826
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,639
ever held by.

827
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,079
Speaker 2: A woman in the Department of Defense. Wow, that's something

828
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,039
that's a deep dive. Too, good job, thank you. I've

829
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,840
also seen her. Yeah, it's pretty. She's a good living,

830
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,360
all right.

831
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,079
Speaker 3: Kelly McGillis and Tom Cruise did not have a specially

832
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:57,280
good chemistry.

833
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Offscreen, you know who? She did have good chemistry with

834
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280
very Tom Yep, yep, who was just I mean he

835
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,440
was jung He was like twenty one or something. I

836
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,119
think when they were shooting this movie. He's the guy

837
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,559
with the cowboy at if you don't know it hasn't done.

838
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,960
Just a whole lot of stuff after that. But apparently

839
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,400
she was walking along the street fell flat on her

840
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,880
face and he came and rescued her, and she said

841
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,760
I was a sucker for romance, and so they started dating. Yep,

842
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,760
that's a great story.

843
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to bat for Kelly McGillis here for

844
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:24,079
just a second.

845
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

846
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,559
Speaker 3: A lot of people give her crap because she's not

847
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,159
Hollywood glamorous, gorgeous. I thought she looked great.

848
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 2: I thought she looked great, and I thought that she

849
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960
was The romance between them was very believable. Let's talk

850
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,760
about Carol for a second. Hey, guys, your big dad

851
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,880
that's me on it take me to better lose me

852
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,239
forever showed me the way hole. But that is Goose's wife. Now,

853
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Meg Ryan hadn't been in anything except maybe soap operas

854
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,159
before this As the World Turns. Yeah, how that's crazy

855
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,079
knowing how big she became to think that this was

856
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,880
her first major movie role. She was the second choice.

857
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,119
Speaker 3: And I did every thing I could to figure out

858
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:02,800
who the first actress selected was.

859
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't find it.

860
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,079
Speaker 3: Tony Scott hired this other actress. Bruckheimer went to Tony

861
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,320
Scott AND's like, I'm not really feeling it with this girl.

862
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,400
And he's like, well, who's your second choice? And he said, well,

863
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,039
this young woman named Meg Ryan, but she's only done

864
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,239
soap operas. And I'm afraid that if we hire a

865
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,079
soap opera actress that people won't really go for. And

866
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,039
Bruckheimer's like, dude, only guys are going to be watching

867
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,079
this movie. Nobody watches soap operas. Who cares hire her?

868
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Well he's wrong about that. Well he was wrong about

869
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,159
it because Tony Scott made a movie for men and women. Yes,

870
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,280
And just not to deviate too far from your topic,

871
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,199
Meg Ryan killed it in this role. I mean, she

872
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,639
had just owns the part. She has a small part,

873
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:47,320
but she absolutely She's the perfect combo for Goose. She's

874
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,719
young and fun and silly and vibes so well with him.

875
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,519
And then after Goose dies that moment. I mean they

876
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,519
said that they filmed it nine or ten times and

877
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,159
every single time she went from normal to I'm crying

878
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,280
and this is the most emotional moment in my life

879
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,360
on a dime.

880
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about Slider for just a second, Okay,

881
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,639
Rick Rossovich, Yeah, we both love the movie Roxanne.

882
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: We have to cover that soon. He plays Chris in.

883
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Roxhand because I was a freight of worms.

884
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the best movies in nineteen eighty seven.

885
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,920
We absolutely love it.

886
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to cover that. At some point, he

887
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,199
got kicked off the ship a couple of times.

888
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: He was a bit of a hell raiser thing, a

889
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,559
little bit of a turd. Yeah, he said he his

890
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,440
bunk was right next to a nuclear warning sign, and

891
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,360
so he's like, well, screw this, I'm not sleeping here.

892
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
So he just went and found a bunk. Turns out

893
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,320
he was in the bunk of an officer. That officer said,

894
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,320
get the heck out of my bed, and he stood

895
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,360
up and said, you want to you know, try to

896
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:47,719
take me.

897
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: On for this thing. Yeah, you want, mister big mouth.

898
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: And so he got called up to the chief's office

899
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,400
and the chief reprimanded him harshly and kicked him off

900
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:56,719
the ship.

901
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, I was in better shape

902
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,960
back then, which is why you catch me in the

903
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,599
volleyball scene, which is a great, very memorable moment.

904
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 3: Sure it is.

905
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,679
Speaker 2: And if at the very end of the movie, as

906
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,159
they're all celebrated, you know the lines have changed. You

907
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:13,320
can be my wingman anytime, bs, you could be mine, right,

908
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,599
everybody's he's the one turning around so you can see

909
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,079
his face. He's facing the camera the whllway mugging.

910
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: All right quickly viper Yeah, played by Tom Scarett.

911
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: You're on the top.

912
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: One percent all naval aviators, the elite, best, the best.

913
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,119
Speaker 2: We'll make you better, who had done work with Tony

914
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,719
Scott's brother, Ridley Scott an alien. Be sure and go

915
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,679
back and check out our Alien versus Terminator episode.

916
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: They originally thought of Lewis Goosst Jnr. Iron Eagle, Iron Eagle,

917
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,360
an officer and a gentleman, so he played the military guy, right.

918
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,639
They thought about John Boyd, who would have been great

919
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,440
in that part. But I thought Tom Scatt does a great.

920
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: Job, fantastic. Yeah, okay, all.

921
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: Right now then Michael Limeside.

922
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: Jester just dead, but about the heart deck and return

923
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,599
to faith immediately.

924
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,519
Speaker 2: Michael Ironside didn't think he should be playing this part

925
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,920
number one, he's Canadian. Number two. He didn't feel like

926
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:19,079
he possessed the right kind of attitude and physique to

927
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,679
be an officer in the Navy. And so he's on

928
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,440
board the ship. He's obviously in costume at this point.

929
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,920
There's he can hear this, and he sees this junior

930
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,559
officer running along as fast as he can, and when

931
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,519
he sees Michael Ironsides, he stops walks and Michael Ironside's like,

932
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:41,400
slow down, son. The guy salutes him and says, yes, sir,

933
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,599
sorry sir. He's like, okay, maybe I can't.

934
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:45,559
Speaker 3: Maybe I can do this.

935
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.

936
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: Here's a funny story that I heard about Michael Ironside. Okay,

937
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,039
so this is a couple of years after Top Gun

938
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,239
and he's at a bar and he said, on either

939
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,800
side of him, these two giant jarheads came up and

940
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,039
they're like He's like, what's up? Fellas like, you're in

941
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:02,400
that Top Gun movie, weren't you.

942
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,559
Speaker 2: He's like, uh yeah. I was like, you're.

943
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: Theughing reason why we joined the navy, this bull crown

944
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,280
because there wasn't fighter pilots and babes all the time.

945
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: And he's like, eh, he said.

946
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,679
Speaker 3: It was very uncomfortable conversation and they were not happy

947
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,719
in blaming him.

948
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can say that. I have you mentioned Doug Huggan.

949
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:26,039
I've got two other friends that if they didn't become

950
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360
pilots because of this movie, it was sure a big

951
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,639
factor in their decision.

952
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Doug Huggin, my college roommate, used to he was in

953
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,280
the Naval R two C. He would get out Top Gun,

954
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,119
put it in, play it to the bar scene, pause

955
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,880
it so that he could put his uniform on correctly.

956
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:46,119
Speaker 2: That's great, have a reference. That's right, that's funny.

957
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,559
Speaker 3: Another college friend of mine, Eric Mentorier, I know Top

958
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,840
Guns a big influence on him. Chris Alexander, one of

959
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,840
our patreons. All right, I got two more guys I

960
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,599
want to talk about before we move on. Uh huh,

961
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,280
all right, I want to talk about one of the

962
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,119
guys who got totally screwed over in this movie. Okay,

963
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,000
I'm spiking my football. This guy, for whatever reason, got

964
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,199
screwed the entire movie.

965
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Sundown my man, Sundown O.

966
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,079
Speaker 3: The O from die Hard and the quarterback is toast.

967
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: Shame guy. Okay.

968
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,639
Speaker 3: So he gets paired up with Maverick halfway through Top

969
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,199
Gun for whatever reason, he's there at all the classes,

970
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Goose gets killed, Sundown gets put with Maverick. Maverick won't

971
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,239
take the shot, so.

972
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: He confronts him.

973
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,519
Speaker 3: Unlike other people, He's like, dude, good hat him, why

974
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,559
don't you take the shot? And Tom Cruise says, I

975
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,760
will fire when I am good and ready. You got that?

976
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,000
So what happens to Sundown? He gets fired, moved away.

977
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,239
I don't know, he goes away.

978
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: You never see him.

979
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:49,159
Speaker 3: No, So at the end of the movie, when they

980
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,039
send Tom Cruise up, he still don't have a rio.

981
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Should Sundown go with him? No, sticking with Merlin. So

982
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,760
they brought Merlin up. Tim Robbins and early in his

983
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,559
career Yeah Yeah, who later plays Nuklelouche Yeah, and Andy

984
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,440
Difran Yep. But Sundown, once he confronts Maverick, never see

985
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,159
him again. And then one more that's with a bull

986
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,559
you get to horn. He goes on to join an

987
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:17,800
international terrorist and uh it is involved in the Nakatomy

988
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,000
incident in December of nineteen eighty eight. All right, one

989
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,760
more person I want to talk about is Stinger.

990
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: We didn't spring him along for his charming personality, did we? Yes?

991
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 7: Yes.

992
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 3: Sundown goes on to get punched out by Argyle.

993
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: At Nkotomi Plasma. Speaking of crossovers.

994
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: Stinger played by James Tolkien. He is never referred to

995
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,639
as Stinger, only sir. He's the guy who's like you.

996
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Two characters are going to top gun. Oh didn't that

997
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,360
guy ever have had?

998
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 7: Yes?

999
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: How bad?

1000
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,039
Speaker 2: Did you want him to call him?

1001
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: Slacker?

1002
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1003
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,599
Speaker 3: You too, slacker? Are going to top gone?

1004
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: Gosh? Yeah, perfect for that part. Have we moved past casting?

1005
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,639
We're done with casting. Let's talk about the movie itself.

1006
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,280
Tony Scott realized that he wanted a rock and roll

1007
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,800
in the sky movie, right, Yes, And it's interesting because

1008
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,039
it was very important to him that he hit the

1009
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,280
golden hour, right. So they're filming at six to seven

1010
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,920
in the morning and six to seven at night when

1011
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,079
the sun is just on the horizon and it's the

1012
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,719
perfect kind of sun. And so I watched the movie.

1013
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,519
If it's not a plane in the sky, it is

1014
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,360
Golden Hour, Like you're if you are on the deck

1015
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,559
or you're on the ground, the sun is hitting you

1016
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,920
from the side. It is Golden Hour every single time.

1017
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,079
And that very first scene that you see in the movie,

1018
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:55,280
which is all very technical, real guys doing their real jobs,

1019
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,559
which has the best music transition at the beginning of

1020
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,199
a movie that's seen my doors off every time. Fantastic

1021
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,679
and we can get there when we get to music,

1022
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,760
but so good. That was the scene that he was

1023
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,159
shooting in slow motion that he got fired for, right, yes,

1024
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,000
And it's definitely Golden Hour. It's all orange and beautiful

1025
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,719
and he's filming this stuff and all of a sudden

1026
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,159
the ship turns and it's going a different direction and

1027
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920
he's like, what are you doing, Like this is putting

1028
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,960
the sun in the wrong spot, and they're like, well,

1029
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,840
we're you know, we're out of our time and all this,

1030
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,760
and then he's like, what do I have to do

1031
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,320
and they're like, it's going to cost you, like twenty

1032
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,119
five thousand dollars.

1033
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: Way before that, he goes, can you keep going the

1034
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:39,400
same direction. They go, nope, what will it take?

1035
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:43,079
Speaker 2: Yes, it will take twenty five thousand dollars. He goes down,

1036
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,559
it's his own personal checkbook, writes a check for twenty

1037
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:48,119
five thousand dollars, gives it to them, and they start

1038
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:50,199
heading back that direction again so he can get the shot.

1039
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,760
You know what happened to that check? Don't check? It

1040
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,880
balanced like a baller only money he had from the hunger.

1041
00:50:59,119 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: That's exactly where.

1042
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: Now can we talk about the first scene of the movie. Yes, okay,

1043
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,920
so you got Cougar who That guy was real familiar

1044
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,320
to me and I looked him up. I think the

1045
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,239
only thing that I can recognize him from John Stockwell

1046
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,599
is from Christine the Stephen King movie. Yes, he was

1047
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,639
kind of the friends slash fullish kind of guy there

1048
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:20,920
in that movie. Do you see My Science Project? No,

1049
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:22,880
he was in that. Okay, well, there you go.

1050
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: He was also in Losing It with Tom Cruise, right,

1051
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,440
one of the first boob movies that Tom Cruise did.

1052
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, there you go. I'll check that one out

1053
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,199
when we get home. So anyway, Cougar, his character is Cougar,

1054
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,840
and he they have this experience with the meg and

1055
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,360
he gets freaked out a Lilo cougar.

1056
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: Pull up cougar.

1057
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,119
Speaker 2: Most war movies you start off with a death, right,

1058
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:49,440
and Pete Pettigrew talked about that. He's like all of

1059
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,280
these other war movies you start off with the death,

1060
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,280
and now the main character has got to like, you know,

1061
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,880
avenge the death or something like that. Sure, and so

1062
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,000
you're watching him come in and that plant I get.

1063
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:00,920
I don't know how they got the pilot to wave

1064
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,440
that plane side to side, up and down diagonal like

1065
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,719
he was, but I'm like, dude, that guy's going to crash.

1066
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,559
He's about to crash into the deck of the aircraft carrier.

1067
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,320
Everyone will die. You know that was in the original script, right, Well,

1068
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,119
that was what Pete Pettigrew said, You guys shouldn't do this,

1069
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,239
and they followed his advice. They're like, all the other

1070
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,960
guys do this. Why don't you have something where you

1071
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,559
build a relationship with a character so that when he

1072
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:26,639
does die, that you feel it. And so that's why

1073
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,360
they changed it.

1074
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 3: Was his advice, what you did was an incredibly heroic thing.

1075
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,079
What you should have done was land that plane. You

1076
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,559
don't own that plane. The taxpayers do, right. I listened

1077
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,199
to the commentary on this. Yeah, you got Pete Pettigrew

1078
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,400
and Mike mccabb and several other of the pilots right

1079
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,360
who were talking, and they all said they knew something

1080
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,480
like this happening to somebody that they know, and that

1081
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,400
doubt and that second guessing it really will make guys go.

1082
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm turning into my wings. I'm not going to do

1083
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,440
this anymore. Wow, real life. Here's the thing I want

1084
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,719
to talk about about. The opening scene.

1085
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when Jackabbs was talking to all these guys,

1086
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,800
He's like, what's the scariest thing you guys do. He's like,

1087
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,559
man to man to man said, landing on an aircraft

1088
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,119
carrier in the Middy Ocean at night one hundred percent

1089
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,599
worst thing. And so he said, oh, that's great. We

1090
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:14,199
got to put that in the script. We got to

1091
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,400
find a spot for that. And they kept looking for

1092
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,119
that spot. I think it was Jerry Brukhimer said, well,

1093
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,639
let's just put it at the beginning. And so that's

1094
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,880
why you have that super tense cougar, pull up, pull

1095
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480
up cougar, and uh, you start off that movie with

1096
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,920
with such tension of that.

1097
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 2: So of course, before all of that happens, you have

1098
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,920
the communicating, right, you know, keeping up foreign relations.

1099
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: You know the bird, you know the finger, Yes, I

1100
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,400
know the finger.

1101
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 5: Yes.

1102
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: Love that scene.

1103
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: Look at the bird, JEZU myself. So, Pettigrew said they

1104
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,719
did actually do this type of stuff with when they

1105
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,119
would engage with an enemy. You know, he says, if

1106
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:57,079
you're it's a true engagement, you probably are never going

1107
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:58,880
to see the guy if you get hit, right, I mean,

1108
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,599
if it's a genuine right we're in a fight. In

1109
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,400
the situations where there was a meeting, but it wasn't

1110
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:08,719
like a fight type engagement, they would communicate like they'd

1111
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,119
see each other and they just kind of appreciated, Hey,

1112
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:13,320
you know, he's just doing his job. I'm just doing

1113
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,880
my job, he said. But we wouldn't like flip each

1114
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,199
other off. It'd be like we'd show him playboy pictures

1115
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,320
and they'd hold up a bottle of vodka.

1116
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:21,599
Speaker 5: You know.

1117
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,119
Speaker 2: That was that was the exchange that they had between him.

1118
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:24,960
That's pretty funny.

1119
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that because, well, we're right here. This

1120
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,360
is one of my biggest problems.

1121
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

1122
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: It's a total cowboy move to be in an inverted

1123
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,559
negative dive with a make twenty eight. I get it

1124
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,320
a meter and a half from an airplane going a

1125
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,119
meter and a half eight hundred an hour.

1126
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,039
Speaker 2: Come on, ludicrous.

1127
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: Now giving them give pulling up next to him, give

1128
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,159
him the finger, no problem.

1129
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: A meter and a half. No, I'm not No, you

1130
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,079
can't do it. Yeah, not buying it. Okay, next scene,

1131
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:04,320
far scene. It's my favorite. Like I told you, I'm

1132
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,920
not a big, go fast sports guy, right, sure, So

1133
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,599
this movie was good for me. I liked it, but

1134
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,320
I didn't go crazy like ninety percent of the guys

1135
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,920
my age did for this movie. So what was my

1136
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,039
favorite scene for the longest time was She's lost that

1137
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,199
love and feeling? I hate it, but she does that. Yeah, oh,

1138
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,599
not to show.

1139
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 7: But.

1140
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,599
Speaker 2: Oh that scene is so good.

1141
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many quotes in this movie. When

1142
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,239
they walk in the bar and Matreick says, this is

1143
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,480
a target rich environment. He said, even you could get

1144
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:54,880
laid in.

1145
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,519
Speaker 2: A place like this.

1146
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,679
Speaker 3: But the the you've lost that love and feeling scene?

1147
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,199
How so many proms and high schools and summer camps

1148
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,920
re enacted that scene and top.

1149
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: Gun we did it routinely in the classroom of school.

1150
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,280
We'd find a girl and we'd all go sing it.

1151
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,199
And the place where they went was called the Oak Club.

1152
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,440
And up until probably just a year or so before

1153
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,760
they started filming the movie, they still had strippers at

1154
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,000
the Oak Club. Oh yeah, they one of the officers wives,

1155
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,960
you know, probably had enough of that and they were

1156
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,280
sent out. But it's a real place where officers.

1157
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:36,199
Speaker 3: Where her call sign was wet blanket pilots go right,

1158
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,440
and obviously where girls who were interested in dating pilots

1159
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,480
go looking for a naval aviator. By the way, you've

1160
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,800
lost that love and feeling, sung by Bill Medley.

1161
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: Who we covered in our Dirty Dancing episode that introduced

1162
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,679
Bill Medley to me.

1163
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had never heard the Righteous Brothers. Okay, So

1164
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:59,039
when Dirty Dancing comes along and the song Time of

1165
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:00,920
my Life comes out by Bill Medley.

1166
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,679
Speaker 2: And Jennifer Warrence, I'm like, hey, it's a guy from

1167
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,840
Top Gun. Right.

1168
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:15,079
Speaker 7: All right, we have to talk about the volleyball scene.

1169
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,199
Speaker 2: Okay. So Tony Scott wanted to create a movie that

1170
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,960
not only appealed to men, it also appealed to women.

1171
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,719
So the way to do that was to have guys

1172
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,239
who did awesome stuff like fly fighter jets, but guys

1173
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,280
who looked like fashion models. Yeah, And so he had

1174
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,480
this book by Bruce Weber that had all of these

1175
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,880
black and white shots of different male models in them,

1176
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,840
and a few of them looked like Tom Cruise and

1177
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,559
there were other guys. He was like, hey, that looks

1178
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,199
like Kimra. That's probably how he got cast in that part.

1179
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,840
But he wanted to have something that was enticing for

1180
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,559
both the men and the women. And the volleyball scene polleyball.

1181
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,039
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you got the volleyball scene. You got the locker

1182
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,199
room scene, which we need to talk about both.

1183
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: There are no showers for the real top gun students, yes,

1184
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,480
there are not. They have locker rooms, yes, but usually

1185
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:06,960
they just they'll leave in their flight clothes and if

1186
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,880
they're going to the bar, they change clothes in the

1187
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,440
parking lot exactly. It's there are no showers. But that

1188
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,599
is pure Hollywood, the locker room scene. Yep. But as

1189
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,599
a sports movie you have to have it, and as

1190
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,719
a movie that you're wanting to appeal to women, you

1191
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,679
have to have it in a situation where guys are

1192
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,639
shirtless and wet.

1193
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,519
Speaker 3: Yes, there's so many funny quotes in that locker room

1194
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:28,679
that I still say today, right m hm. So the

1195
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:30,519
one that cracks me up. It's in the background and

1196
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,920
you're the guy in the background, and go five more seconds, wolfman,

1197
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:41,719
I'm coming in. But when Val Kilmer and Maverick lockhorns

1198
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,840
in the locker room, you have that really intense stare

1199
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,840
down that we need to talk about. He goes, you

1200
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,440
two really are cowboys. Maverick turns around says, what's your problem, Kazansky?

1201
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: Which I say all the time? What's your problem Kazanski? Right?

1202
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: He says, you're everyone's problem. Every time you go up.

1203
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,079
Speaker 2: You're unsafe. I don't like you.

1204
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: Because you're dangerous. That's right, man, I am dangerous. And

1205
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,719
then you get the teeth chump, which is a very

1206
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,679
ridiculous retort. I don't really understand that it's memorable, but

1207
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,679
that whole scene is put there so that you can

1208
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,719
have some interaction between the characters and something for the ladies. Now,

1209
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,719
then the volleyball scene. There was no volleyball net there.

1210
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,079
Speaker 4: That afternoon.

1211
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: They brought in a dump truck full of sand, set

1212
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,119
up a volleyball net, told the guys to take off

1213
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:33,519
your shirts and let's look like studs. Tom Cruise is

1214
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,800
spiking the volleyball. I'm not sure how that works because

1215
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,519
he's five foot six. But the funny part about that

1216
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:42,400
is that Val Kilmer says, if you look at that scene,

1217
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,480
he's almost in none of that scene. You can see

1218
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:46,840
his face, he's off to the side.

1219
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,119
Speaker 2: He's never really featured in it.

1220
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:51,199
Speaker 3: And Tony Scott said, sorry, Val, your stuff all got cooked,

1221
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,199
which means got overexposed, so you can't use it.

1222
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, that's bull crop.

1223
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,639
Speaker 3: This is the best I've ever looked in my life.

1224
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: And Tony's guy's like a whole lot of ross, bitch

1225
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,760
right well. And then in the locker room scene, Val

1226
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,519
didn't know they were going to be shooting that scene

1227
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:10,119
that day and so he, you know, he was his

1228
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:12,800
food or something. Yeah, like, you've been drinking soda and

1229
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,400
not worked out in a couple of days. And they're like, oh, hey,

1230
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,440
we're shooting more in the locker rooms. What what?

1231
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: Okay before we tackle the big question. Yeah, I got

1232
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,719
one more scene I want to bring up to you. Okay,

1233
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,199
there's an elevator scene dropped in the middle of this

1234
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,920
movie where Kelly McGillis is wearing a ball capp and

1235
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,079
Tom Cruise just got out of a shower.

1236
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: His hair is wet, but it looks especially long. It

1237
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:38,960
does tell me about that scene. So they had finished

1238
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:41,639
with all of the primary filming of the movie. They

1239
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:43,639
thought they were done, and when they go back and watch,

1240
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,880
they're like they haven't built a relationship enough. The audience

1241
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,599
who would watch it would be like, I felt like

1242
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,920
there should be more between Kelly mcgillis's character and Tom

1243
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,519
Cruise's character. It's just like, Okay, well we need to

1244
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,719
film more. And so he's let his hair grow out

1245
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,760
at this point because he's you know, doing in Color

1246
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,480
of Money, Color of Money, which he's got the perm for, right,

1247
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:07,480
remember that, Yes, it's the hustler part too, that's right,

1248
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,119
great movie. And she's filming a movie called Made in

1249
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,920
Heaven where she has completely dyed her hair and she's

1250
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,000
also lost a huge amount of weights.

1251
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: The same reason why in the love scene it's completely

1252
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,239
dark and sort of blue hues and stuff like that.

1253
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,639
They're hiding the fact that the actors look totally different

1254
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:23,920
than they did five minues earlier.

1255
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: The love scene was filmed later.

1256
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:29,239
Speaker 3: Really, the love scene and the elevator scene were filmed

1257
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,039
in the same day, one day in Chicago.

1258
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,199
Speaker 2: Wow.

1259
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 4: And it was a.

1260
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: Rush job that literally they had like forty five minutes

1261
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:35,800
to shoot that.

1262
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:37,079
Speaker 2: Wow.

1263
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,679
Speaker 3: So that scene was dropped in the middle. After screening,

1264
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,239
audience has said they needed to fluff the love scene

1265
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:43,840
a little bit more.

1266
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: Wow. All right, good, you blow my mind here.

1267
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I got a big question for you. Okay, really,

1268
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,320
this is the biggest question in the movie. Ready, who

1269
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,400
is the better pilot, Iceman or Maverick?

1270
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: Are you asking me who I'd rather go out with?

1271
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,599
Speaker 3: Do you want him on your side? Who do you

1272
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:04,559
want on your side? You get the first draft pick

1273
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:05,159
who you take it?

1274
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,719
Speaker 2: It's unquestionably Iceman. You don't want a Maverick as part

1275
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,000
of your team. You don't want a guy who's unstable

1276
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,280
and reliable, unsafe. He's unsafe. Every time he goes up,

1277
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,000
he's dangerous. You called me about this, Yeah, this was

1278
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,239
the Walmart call, right, Yeah, you asked me this question.

1279
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,559
I said the same thing then. And then I'm listening

1280
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:25,239
to the commentary, and of course Pete Pettigrew says, well,

1281
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,920
you know Iceman is the better pilot because you don't

1282
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,079
want a Maverick. You want somebody who's going to be

1283
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:33,039
safe and reliable on your side, your wingman. So there

1284
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:34,519
you go, confirmation of your opinion.

1285
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:38,599
Speaker 3: I totally agree Iceman is the better pilot. Maverick is talented.

1286
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,559
I tell you who I don't want is Hollywood, who

1287
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:42,480
got his butt kicked every time I Jester.

1288
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:45,599
Speaker 2: Dido.

1289
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: Yes did.

1290
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: Here's another question for you.

1291
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:52,519
Speaker 3: Okay, so we've already tackled the Iceman versus Maverick pilot question.

1292
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the second question.

1293
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there any way you would have Maverick going

1294
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,199
up attacking MiGs at the end of the movie after

1295
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:04,000
he's demonstrated he's not ready to go back up.

1296
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: No, Iceman is completely right. And this is another thing

1297
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,719
that's completely inaccurate about the movie. So the guys who

1298
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,679
were called up to go to Top Gun, they were

1299
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:17,480
the top pilots in their particular squadron. So what happens

1300
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,519
was they would go train at Top Gun, and then

1301
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,119
when they were done, they would go back and teach

1302
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,519
the other pilots the dog fighting tactics that they learned

1303
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,559
at Top Gun. There's no situation where the guys at

1304
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,960
Top Gun would all go to the same place together.

1305
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,800
They wouldn't get their orders at the graduation ceremony or whatever,

1306
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,320
and they sure shooting wouldn't make it to the Indian

1307
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,599
Ocean in twenty four hours. Right, that's all just ridiculous.

1308
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:46,679
You got to have Iceman and Maverick flying together, and

1309
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,960
you have to have that tension of is Maverick going

1310
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,239
to lose it like Cougar did or is he going

1311
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,400
to come back? Because that's what this movie is all about,

1312
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,119
is can a guy get knocked down on his knees?

1313
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:02,119
I mean, this is the this is the definitive naval superhero,

1314
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,559
absolutely ego driven top of the I'm the best mentality

1315
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,760
who gets knocked down to his core and he comes back.

1316
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: By the way, something I wanted to mention Don Simpson

1317
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,400
had to go to rehab during the middle of filming Top.

1318
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:20,079
Speaker 2: Gun and before and after, right, okay, mister.

1319
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,159
Speaker 3: Cocaine and hookers. Right, But they said he would drive

1320
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,119
into the parking lot, like straight from rehab. They say,

1321
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:29,559
would crash the car in the parking lot. He would

1322
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:34,679
just break into a meeting, disrupt the whole thing. Fire,

1323
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,559
Everyone say, we're not shooting this bs And they were

1324
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:39,400
like who in the crap is this guy?

1325
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,159
Speaker 2: And he'd jump back in the car with David Lee Roth.

1326
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:47,400
So Don Simpson a bit of a wild card and

1327
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,039
struggling at this moment. It'll be interesting to talk about

1328
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:55,039
the what happened after the movie with him. Yes, okay,

1329
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,400
so we've got the movie made. Now it's time for

1330
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:16,880
the soundtrack. One of the greatest soundtracks of all time.

1331
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:21,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely, in the eighties, soundtracks were so important, so huge,

1332
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:24,679
and for me, like anytime I want to revisit the

1333
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,000
Summer of eighty six, I pop in the Top Gun soundtrack.

1334
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a huge album on the charts, and

1335
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:32,519
they did a great job. I mean they went and

1336
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,400
got Kenny Loggins, yep, who had just done Footloose and

1337
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,800
had done Caddyshack, both great songs in the movies. Right, Yeah,

1338
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,440
they go and get Harold Faultmeyer, who did Actual f

1339
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,559
which I mean, of course they were involved with that movie.

1340
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:48,519
Of course they're going to go get him. And then

1341
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:53,199
they did Giovanni Mordor, who was a multi award winning composer,

1342
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:57,039
did The never Ending Story, I mean, brilliant guy too,

1343
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:08,679
and they put together a incredible rock and roll album.

1344
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:11,679
Speaker 3: Here's the story behind this Okay, They put an open

1345
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,000
call for artists who want to make rock songs for

1346
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,239
the movie. They show the movie to the people. Kenny

1347
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:19,639
Loggins and his people are there and they're watching. He

1348
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:21,599
looks around. He's like, man, there's tons of talent in

1349
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,239
this room. So we're gonna pick a scene that nobody

1350
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,039
else is gonna go for, and so they chose the

1351
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:30,480
volleyball scene. So they wrote playing with the Boys, which

1352
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,239
is classic fun, it's very memorable. So he writes that

1353
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,679
the other song, obviously that's super important to the movie

1354
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:52,840
is danger Zone. You know who they had in mind

1355
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,599
for danger Zone?

1356
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:56,559
Speaker 2: I do because we talked about it in our Toto episode.

1357
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: The guys from Toto were scheduled to do danger Zone,

1358
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,599
which is incredible. They went to him and they said, hey,

1359
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:04,559
we like your singer. We want to get some session

1360
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:08,800
musicians to play instead of you guys, and they were like,

1361
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,199
we are a list musicians. What are you talking about? No, no,

1362
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,280
thank you, we are out. So Toto called the ball

1363
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,519
and said no, we don't have the ball. So at

1364
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:21,719
the last second, I mean, they had talked to Brian Adams,

1365
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,119
they had talked to Judas priests, about putting the song in.

1366
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,079
They needed somebody to sing danger Zone right, and they

1367
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:31,159
had Kenny Loggins, who was there at that time recording.

1368
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: Playing with the boys.

1369
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 3: So they called Kenny Loggins. They're like, hey, listen, we

1370
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,920
got this great song. We got no singer for it,

1371
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,800
Kenny Loggins, because I got one question.

1372
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: Is it up tempo?

1373
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,079
Speaker 3: He's like, because I needed some up tempo songs for

1374
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:43,280
my concerts, And they said yes it is.

1375
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,639
Speaker 2: He's like, great on too.

1376
01:07:44,679 --> 01:08:01,679
Speaker 4: It didn't know anything about it, never heard it.

1377
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: Said yes, and that is how you get Kenny log

1378
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:06,599
Is doing danger Zone perfect.

1379
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: It's perfect now. The song itself was written by Giovanni

1380
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,920
Moridor YEP, which we talked about YEP, and his writing

1381
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,039
partner Tom Whitlock. Okay, yep. Mordor did the music, Whitlock

1382
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,439
did the lyrics. Okay. Do you know how these guys met?

1383
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:26,159
He was this mechanic. Yes, Tom Whitlock was working on

1384
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,119
Giovanni Moridor's Ferrari and he goes, oh, by the way,

1385
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,560
in addition to being a mechanic, I'm also a lyricist.

1386
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,039
So if you've ever got a song, you need some

1387
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,439
words too. I'm happy I'm your guy bing bang boom

1388
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,239
danger Zone.

1389
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,199
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

1390
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: So on guitar on this one, Yes, we've got Dan

1391
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,319
Huff from the band Giant. Yeah, he's the lead singer

1392
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:49,520
from Giant. Yes, and on saxophone. Into the song has

1393
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,279
saxophone on it. We have Tom Scott, who also played

1394
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:55,840
saxophone for the Blues Brothers.

1395
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 3: By the way, quick shout out for my man from Giant.

1396
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:03,520
He sings one of my favorite songs.

1397
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: Of all time.

1398
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 3: And absolutely I'm gonna fit this yeah song called I'll

1399
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:07,840
See You in My Dreams.

1400
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 5: I mean.

1401
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,159
Speaker 3: Love this song, all right.

1402
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm glad you got that in there, but I mean

1403
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,479
there's no way you can get in there otherwise because

1404
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,720
we're ever going to talk about Giant never never, Okay, Okay.

1405
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,000
So this song almost made it to number one, got

1406
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,600
to number two, kept out by a song that you

1407
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,039
probably had bleeding out of your ears in the summer

1408
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:38,039
of nineteen eighty six.

1409
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,119
Speaker 3: That's true, sledge Hammer. Listen, Sledgehammer's good and the video's cool.

1410
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,760
It is not top Gun danger Zone.

1411
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,359
Speaker 2: It was because of the video that that song received

1412
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,319
the attention that it did. And it's catchy but it

1413
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:55,640
it is obnoxiously catchy, obnoxiously in your ear.

1414
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,399
Speaker 3: It's an earworm.

1415
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1416
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,319
Speaker 3: The next thing we got to talk about is the

1417
01:09:58,319 --> 01:09:59,359
song take My Breath Away.

1418
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:04,079
Speaker 2: It is absolutely This was also by Mordoor and whitlock Yep,

1419
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:07,319
they had another person who sang it first. The band

1420
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:10,439
was called the Motels, Yeah, the Botells, and they recorded

1421
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,159
a version of it, but ultimately they decided, hey, you know,

1422
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:16,159
Berlin had us hit with us no more words, yeah,

1423
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:19,720
and great song and the girl's hot. Okay, stop the

1424
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,640
presses right there? Who's that all? Right?

1425
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: Rank the Top Gun babes because there's only three women

1426
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,199
involved in Top Gun basically Kelly McGillis, Meg Ryan, Terry Nunn.

1427
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,119
Speaker 2: So Terry. It's interesting because Terry Nunn and the stuff

1428
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,479
that I saw, she was like really envious of Kelly

1429
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,600
McGillis in this movie because she's getting to get down

1430
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,760
and get dirty with Tom Cruise. It looked pretty nice, dude.

1431
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,920
Terry Nunn still good looking at sixty two, guys, she's

1432
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,600
still good looking. She is a major babe and still

1433
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,960
looks great. Ye, I mean and in the eighties, whoa yeah, yeah, yeah.

1434
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 3: The interesting thing about Berlin Terry Nunn is beautiful and

1435
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,079
she's got a killer voice. But they were known as

1436
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,119
kind of a synth pop band, true, and so this

1437
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,920
didn't really fit their style. And so her partner in

1438
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,640
the band, John Crawford, right, was like, this is not Berlin,

1439
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,800
this is not us, this is not our sound. We

1440
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,680
didn't write this, we didn't perform this, this is not us. Right,

1441
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,399
and now the mega success of this song, we got

1442
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,079
to play it every single concert.

1443
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 2: This is bull crap.

1444
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:22,520
Speaker 3: And that song ultimately caused the Riff to split the band.

1445
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,600
That is why you don't have Berlin anymore.

1446
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: It's tragic. Song went number one in September of eighty six. Yeah.

1447
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,199
To me, there's four songs that we really got to

1448
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:32,479
talk about this. We've hit two. The other one is

1449
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,760
Heaven in Your Eyes by lover Boy. It's good, which

1450
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,800
is interesting. Mike Rono. Obviously also in the Footloose soundtrack

1451
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,720
with Kenny Loggins almost Paradise, Yeah, yeah, yep, great song. Yes.

1452
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:48,600
And then of course the top Gun anthem. So Harold Faltemeyer,

1453
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,880
who had done axel f comes along and they're like, hey,

1454
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,560
we need a song that is like an anthem, but

1455
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,359
also kicks butt and he delivered in space.

1456
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 3: So they're at dinner with Harold Baltimore and Jerry brock

1457
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,520
Khmer's like, Okay, we need this anthem and it needs

1458
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,039
to be heroic.

1459
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: And awesome and inspiring. And Harold Feltimar is like, well,

1460
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,960
I've been kind of working on something.

1461
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: I think I've got it, and Jerry Bruckherber was like,

1462
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:15,439
I'd like.

1463
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 5: To hear it.

1464
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, okay, well, you know, i'll run

1465
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,119
it over next week or whatever.

1466
01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:20,399
Speaker 2: He's like, no, like right now.

1467
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 3: Carl Faltimore is like when I said that, I didn't

1468
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,560
really have anything ready, and so Jerry Bruckhermer was like, no,

1469
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,600
I'm coming over right now, like let's go, and Harrold

1470
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,479
Faltimore is like, I'm gonna get a head start on you.

1471
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: Put your fork down. Yeah.

1472
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,039
Speaker 3: So he raced home and started kind of doing stuff,

1473
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:43,319
you know, and the next thing you know, bruck Himer's

1474
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:45,439
over there and he plays this thing for him and

1475
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:50,439
they're like this is great and he's like huh yeah,

1476
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,720
and of course it is great.

1477
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out and who's playing guitar? Steve Stevens

1478
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,960
from Billy Aisles YEP. Steve Stevens from Billie Idol and

1479
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,359
Dirty Diana and all sorts of other acts that he's

1480
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:01,800
been with.

1481
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, which is interesting because one of the connections

1482
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,960
I heard was they said before the Top Gun pilots

1483
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,279
would actually fly, the original guys, the actual Top Gun pilots,

1484
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:12,880
they would all listen to Billie Idol.

1485
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:14,319
Speaker 2: Nice. How about that? That's good?

1486
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, one more song, two more songs. We got

1487
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,920
to talk out real quick. I'm gonna throw some love

1488
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,720
at the cheap trick song called Mighty Wings.

1489
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:22,079
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it.

1490
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:25,319
Speaker 3: Okay, A fantastic song they play while they're dog fighting.

1491
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: I love it. It was the only single that was

1492
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,960
released that didn't end up charting. But I'm glad you

1493
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:30,479
like it. I can't.

1494
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. The other song we need to

1495
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,479
talk about is Great Balls of Fire. How in the

1496
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,840
world is that not on the soundtrack?

1497
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 2: Well? They it ended up being on the special edition

1498
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:43,319
in ninety nine, thirteen years after the movie. Yeah, thirteen

1499
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:45,520
years after the movie. You had that one you had

1500
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,359
sitting on the dock of the bay, and you've lost

1501
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,319
that love and feeling of course, right, that was the

1502
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:52,079
one that I was like, why isn't this one on there?

1503
01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:55,720
But obviously we know it's pretty tricky to get songs

1504
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,239
on a soundtrack. It is. And if the basis of

1505
01:13:58,279 --> 01:13:59,920
your song is, hey, I was listening to the Raid

1506
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:01,359
on the way over and we're going to have you

1507
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:03,319
sing this song, you probably haven't done a lot of

1508
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:06,960
preparation with, you know, Jerry Lee Lewis or the Righteous

1509
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,399
Brothers or whatever. Right, that's true, that's true.

1510
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:14,159
Speaker 3: Interesting connection to Meg Ryan, Top Gun, Great Balls of Fire. Yeah,

1511
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,840
Dennis Quaid plays Jerry Lee Lewis in a movie two

1512
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,920
years later, right, Mary's Meg Ryan.

1513
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there there you go. It all comes full circle. Yep.

1514
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,239
Before we leave on the music, throw back to that

1515
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,000
beautiful transition that we talked about. So the top Gun

1516
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,920
Anthem without the heavy guitar, and it is what you

1517
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,279
hear at the beginning, when you're seeing all of the

1518
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:37,720
guys on the aircraft carrier deck prep in the planes,

1519
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,880
pilots getting in the planes, all of that sunset. It's beautiful,

1520
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:48,880
it's incredible, and then finally the plane pulls the throttle,

1521
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,079
the jets light up, and you transition out of the

1522
01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:57,760
top Top Gun Anthem right into danger. Zone and it

1523
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,600
blows your frickin' doors off, as you like to say.

1524
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, my skirt is flying way off

1525
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,680
at that moment, that, at that moment of me and

1526
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,560
about a million other teenagers decide they want to be

1527
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,600
naval aviators exactly. Speaking of the Navy received a five

1528
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,640
hundred percent increase in people applying to be naval aviators

1529
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,960
after this movie. Yep, it was so much that they

1530
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,840
actually put naval recruitment stations outside the theater, the movie theater.

1531
01:15:25,079 --> 01:15:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, might as well cut them off the pass, right,

1532
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,960
get them all. They're hot, that's right, all right. So

1533
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:31,199
just a couple of tidbits for you.

1534
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 3: The real Top Gun School, Yeah, institute's a five dollars

1535
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,960
fine for every quote of the movie Top Gun that

1536
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:42,319
you say, I am telling you twenty bucks.

1537
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:43,079
Speaker 2: I'm in for the day.

1538
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,520
Speaker 3: I would walk in. I'd be like Gushi, big stud.

1539
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,239
Speaker 2: There's five.

1540
01:15:50,119 --> 01:15:53,119
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, start a tab. And here's one that

1541
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:56,439
always stuck with me. When Maverick lands on the aircraft carrier.

1542
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,479
I've seen this movie thousand times, right, the guy in

1543
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,880
the tower, as Maverick called the ball. Maverick says Roger

1544
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,279
Maverick has the ball, and you get the idea that

1545
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,760
each guy knows what they're doing. But what that actually

1546
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:14,399
means is do you see the light up marker? And

1547
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,760
Maverick's reply is yes, I see it. Basically, do you

1548
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:19,840
see the aircraft carrier?

1549
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Yes? I do, I see it, and I'm in control. Gotcha,

1550
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:25,880
Roger Maverick has the ball, right, all right, So let

1551
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,199
me ask you this question. You're ready, Yeah, most quoted

1552
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,680
line from this movie for you and your household talk

1553
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,359
to me goose. Okay, I say that all the time.

1554
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Mine is negative ghost writer matters because my kids are

1555
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,399
always asking me for stuff and I'm like negative ghost writer.

1556
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,079
The pattern is.

1557
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,119
Speaker 3: Fall whenever somebody comes up to me in my household

1558
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:46,640
and they're like that could ask you a question, I'm like,

1559
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,640
talk to my goose. Of course, my wife says, Jason,

1560
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,199
your big stud take me to bet and lose me forever.

1561
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,359
Speaker 2: Uh huh, I wish.

1562
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,279
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we're gonna take a quick break and we're

1563
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:59,760
gonna have our shirly showcase this week. It's from one

1564
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,199
of my oldest friends of the entire world, Chris Alexander.

1565
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:04,640
Chris is a Patreo member. He's one of my best friends.

1566
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,119
So let's hear what Chris has to say about Top Gun.

1567
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 8: Everyone from the Shirley podcast. This is Chris Alexander. I'm

1568
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,600
from touls Oklahoma. Just wanted to say thanks to Jason

1569
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,800
D for doing the Shreley you Can't Be Serious podcasts.

1570
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,279
Love it, love it all, and thanks for giving me

1571
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:21,520
this chance to be part of the Shirley Spotlight. So

1572
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,399
let's get this started. I feel the need, the need

1573
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,000
for speed. I was twelve years old in May of

1574
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:29,520
nineteen eighty six when Top Gun was released. I was

1575
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,960
already obsessed with airplanes and especially in military aviation. Movie

1576
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,039
could not have started off any better. The opening scene

1577
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:38,760
is simply awesome. Visuals of the F fourteens and eight

1578
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,079
sixes and eighty sevens moving around on the flight deck

1579
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:44,159
of the aircraft carrier and all the deckhands, steam clouds

1580
01:17:44,359 --> 01:17:47,600
from the cattibolts flying by. It was just amazing. Not

1581
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,960
to mention the music and how it builds up until

1582
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,359
the first launch of the Tomcat in full after burner,

1583
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,760
just as the electric guitar and drums kick in.

1584
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: It was just epic.

1585
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:58,199
Speaker 8: I am positive that no matter what happened in the

1586
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,840
movie after that, it wouldn't have mattered. That opening was

1587
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,640
just that good. Luckily, the rest of the movie was

1588
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,319
great as well. So many iconic moments in the movie

1589
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:09,319
that remaining today's lexicon. All the one liners. You know

1590
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:11,239
it's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have

1591
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:13,840
to kill you. Yes, goose, I know the finger sera.

1592
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,840
I hate it when it does that. Hey, mav, you

1593
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,319
got the number for that truck driving school slider you

1594
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,079
stink you never leave your wing man. And let's not

1595
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:25,720
forget the high low five of the sand volleyball pit.

1596
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,520
All those things were just immediately added to the slang

1597
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,880
across the world. Heck, I still say some of that

1598
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,079
stuff today. Overall, the flying and dog fighting scenes were great,

1599
01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:37,960
the actors were great, the music was top notch. I

1600
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,359
don't think anyone could have done a better job. Top

1601
01:18:40,399 --> 01:18:43,640
Gun two really has some pretty big shoes to fill,

1602
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,479
and I'm looking forward to seeing it seeing how it

1603
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,000
stacks up. Thanks again go to Jason and d and

1604
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,960
especially to Cougar for turning in his wings. Anyone seeing

1605
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,479
aircraft carrier around here? And oh, by the way, another

1606
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,600
reason I know this movie was great because I'm one

1607
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,199
of those guys that fell prey to the best Navy

1608
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,359
recruiting tool ever created. I spent twenty years flying in

1609
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:02,680
the Navy. Thanks Top Gun.

1610
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,039
Speaker 5: Okay, there you go, Chris.

1611
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna have that opinion number one,

1612
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,279
because back in eighty six we probably saw this movie

1613
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:10,359
ten times together in the theater. Chris, Thank you for

1614
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:12,319
your service, thank you for your friendship, thank you for

1615
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:15,159
your patronage, and thank you for your shirly showcase.

1616
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:23,359
Speaker 2: All right, we ready you talk reception? Yes quickly, Yes,

1617
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,720
let's okay.

1618
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,319
Speaker 3: This was the number one movie of nineteen eighty six,

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,000
number one, number one, number one, number one, number one

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by a mile. This beat Crocodile Dundee at number two

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and Platoon at number three.

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Speaker 2: That's freaking incredible.

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Speaker 3: And I know with me and my friends, anytime we

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got bored, we wrote our back to the movie theater

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watch Top Gun. That's all we did all summer of

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,560
eighty six. This movie basically is credited with starting the

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home video industry.

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Speaker 2: Can see that.

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01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: Because VHS tapes before this were like one hundred bucks,

1630
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,119
oh wow, and they were only sold basically to video stores.

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,640
Right when Top Gun came out on VHS is twenty

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five bucks.

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Speaker 2: This is how Vestron made all of its money so

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that it could go on to produce sturdy dances.

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01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:06,039
Speaker 4: There you go.

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01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:09,319
Speaker 3: How about that good job, nice Tian right there?

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01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is not actually correct. I was just joking.

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01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 3: Top Gun is the tenth highest grossing movie of the

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nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: So this created the true Simpson Bruckheimer combo that went

1641
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,119
on to blow the doors off of all movie theaters

1642
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,880
for the next twelve years. Sure, as we've mentioned, Don

1643
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,520
Simpson was a bit of a wild card. Yes he was.

1644
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,720
He's a bit of maverick if you will. He was

1645
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,039
a maverick. And so I mentioned earlier, we would have

1646
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:44,000
a story about a naked rehab doctor. Let's found dead

1647
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:48,399
of a drug overdose in Don Simpson's poolhouse. This is true.

1648
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,520
So Don Simpson's behavior got worse and worse and worse.

1649
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,119
And these guys initially were known for guys who could

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01:20:55,119 --> 01:20:57,680
take a fourteen million dollar budget movie and turn it

1651
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,720
into you know, hundreds of millions in revenue, which is huge.

1652
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,159
And then Days of Thunder happened and it was like, oh,

1653
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,600
maybe these guys aren't as gold as we thought sure,

1654
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,000
and so as that as things continued to escalate, his

1655
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:15,479
erratic behavior did as well. His drug use did as well.

1656
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,560
And he would go to this place called Canyon Ranch,

1657
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,439
which was supposed to be for rehab purposes, but probably

1658
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,760
it's just where he was getting plastic surgery. He denied

1659
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:27,119
getting plastic surgery, but good information is he probably had

1660
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,199
about ten different ones, including a penis enlargement.

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01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 3: There you go, folks, where are you going to get this?

1662
01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 2: And so his behavior was getting more and more out

1663
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,199
of control, and people with Jerry Bruckheimer, who was married

1664
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:46,359
Don Simpson was never married with him, including Jerry Bruckheimer's wife,

1665
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,920
was like, you got to end this. This guy's out

1666
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,800
of control. He's going to bring you down with him.

1667
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,319
And so at some point he's like, hey, I'm going

1668
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:56,800
to have my own private rehab guy come in here

1669
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,520
and help me out my own private rehabit. And so

1670
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,960
he brings in this guy named doctor Steven Amherman, who

1671
01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:07,680
is a very sketchy rehab doctor, and his rehab is really,

1672
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,479
let's do different drugs to get off the drugs that

1673
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,600
you're on right now. Sure, and he ends up dying

1674
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,880
in the shower at Don Simpson's poolhouse, and so that

1675
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:21,600
news comes out and Jerry Brookheimer is like, Okay, we're done.

1676
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,479
I mean, we've got dead naked doctors in your poolhouse.

1677
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,199
I can't keep working with you. So it's the end

1678
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:32,000
of this Mammoth production team. And a month later, Simpson

1679
01:22:32,039 --> 01:22:34,760
thinks he's getting back together. He's talked to a few folks,

1680
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:39,000
he's going into rehab again, doing some work. Has a

1681
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,359
guy call him, a guy named James Tobak who he's

1682
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,479
talking to him about this script idea he has called

1683
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,600
Harvard Man. Okay, that involves a guy who goes to

1684
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,039
Harvard and then gets involved in sex and drugs and

1685
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:53,359
it totally ruins his career, which is an interesting thing

1686
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:56,119
to talk to Don Hickson about, right sure. And so

1687
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,520
they talk like five hours straight about the script, and

1688
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,760
at the end of the conversation Don Simpson is like,

1689
01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,319
I'm pretty sure I can get this movie green lit

1690
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:06,880
by tomorrow at five pm. While the problem is that

1691
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:09,720
the next day they come in Don Simpson is dead

1692
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,439
less than two months after he and Bruckheimer and part ways.

1693
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,119
And he's fairly young guy, right, yeah, fifty two years old,

1694
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,800
not an old guy at all but lived hard. Now

1695
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,399
with that happy note. Next week, we're coming in with

1696
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,800
Top Gun Maverick, the stories behind the making of the

1697
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,760
movie and our take on how good it is.

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01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,039
Speaker 3: Come back next week as we dive into Top Gun Maverick.

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I can't wait to see this movie with u D.

1700
01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:36,159
It's gonna be awesome.

1701
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:38,720
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01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,279
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1703
01:23:41,319 --> 01:23:44,760
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1704
01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:47,800
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1705
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,359
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1706
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,840
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01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:01,079
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01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:04,239
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, we'll see you here next week. Hit the

1711
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:16,039
brakes fly right by Summer. By the way, I'm just

1712
01:24:16,039 --> 01:24:18,279
going to interrupt you for a second. Is there a

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worse name in the entire world than Dick Richard's