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Speaker 1: This is Andrew Dibshago and you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 2: There are things in this world beyond our current understanding, ghosts, spirits,

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hidden truth that are waiting to be discovered, UFOs, extraterrestrials.

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We are searching for the answers multiple dimensions, high strangeness,

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and we won't stop until we find them. Conspiracies, government

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cover roops. This is Unknown Origins Radio, and good evening everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio here on

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the Dark Matter Digital Network. I'm Mark Johnson. Along with

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me is our stalwarth co host mister Bruce Pearson. Hi

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you tonight, Bruce, Fine.

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Speaker 4: Mark, and we want to say good evening. Also to

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back at Command Central Keith Rowland, who keeps keeps things

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running for us back there.

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Speaker 5: If it wasn't for Keith, we wouldn't be.

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Speaker 4: Here, that's right, because he'd call the Federal marshals on

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me and they come and drag me away.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, you know, we tried out a brand new

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promo tonight. What'd you think of that?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I think I recognize somebody's voice in.

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Speaker 3: There, somebody's maybe I don't know. It was good Mark,

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some guy I drug off the street. But we'll try

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that one out and we might we might play around

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with it. I was getting kind of tired of the

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old one, so we'll see what else we can come

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up with.

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Speaker 4: Very nice.

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Speaker 5: So before we get.

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Speaker 3: Started, we have a great lineup tonight, some great guests.

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Just want to talk about real quick. There's a couple

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of things happening. First and foremost, we want to put

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a shout out to our good friend David Rowntree, who

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is currently in the hospital. David got a bad brown

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reck loose spider bite and on his foot and wound

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up in the hospital. So he's doing well and he's

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been posting online. So David, if you're listening, we wish

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you the best and hope you get quickly recovered and

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getting back out there. Just you know, we're boots next time.

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Just remember that.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they can be very deadly. Having lived out

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in the southwest of New Mexico and Colorado, they're much

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more prevalent out there, of course than they are here.

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But out there, as you and I talked before we

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went on the air, it's the practice to make sure

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you dump your shoes out before you put them on.

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In the morning because that's where they like to hang out,

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in dark, warm places, and they're much more venomous for

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their size than even tarantulas are. So three bites by

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one of them is definitely nothing to full around with.

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We wish him a safe recovery because that's kind of

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sketchy at that level.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, hang in there, Dave, Yeah, David, definitely.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just want to there are some new

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news that came up this week, and you know, being

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an astronomy nut that I am, I had to bring

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this up. Just came out yesterday about NASA finally announcing

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a new Earth size planet being discovered, Kepler four point

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fifty two B, which is sixty percent larger than Earth.

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But it's still in that one of those super Earth

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or Earth like planets, but it's a it's circling around

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a brighter scar, brighter star, and it's within the Goldilock

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zone and to date it seems like the closest possible

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replica of the Earth that we have found so far.

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And you know, whether or not it has life is

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totally undetermined, but it is a rocky planet, not a

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gas giant, and within that perfect zone around a star

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that's very similar to our own son. So hey, you know,

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maybe we just found Vulcan.

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Speaker 4: And how far away is it?

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Speaker 3: Pray tell, oh, good lord, Now you don't want to

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make me pull up that information.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you're going to give us a story.

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You know, can I can I walk to it? Or

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do I have to catch a bus?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you could take a bus.

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Speaker 3: It would probably take you, you know, about one hundred

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thousand years, but you know, just let us know what

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Speaker 4: Well, every bus trip I've taken seemed like it did

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take one hundred thousand years.

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Speaker 5: So especially if you're taking the city bus.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: No, long distance transit on bus is not the most

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fun way to go anyway. Yeah, I think that statistically,

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we all know, even though the naysayers tend to discount it,

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that there's no statistical way that there couldn't be life

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on other planets. It's just a statistical and possible impossibility. Boy.

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So that's interesting, and I think you'll see, as Richard

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Hoglan has contest contended for an amount of time, the

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NASA continually, you know, just keeps cracking the faust a

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little bit. And let's a drop out here and a

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drop out there, which is a conditioning process to soften

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our transition into acknowledgment, whether it's acknowledging there's water on

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Mars or so on and so forth, that you know,

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they don't have any problem with it, and eventually they'll

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acclimate the general public to the point where I think

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that it'll be a kind of a non sequitur in

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a non event to say, Okay, well there is something

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going on. It certainly will be an event, but I

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think that this is part of the process, the long

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term process of a paradigm shift.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, speaking of processes, you know, I have

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to mention this one too. This is my chuckle for

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the week. Fox News came out with a report this

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week that an earthquake of devastating proportions is eminent any

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moment now on the West Coast. Okay, you know, they

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did a big special on it. They had doctor Mitchell

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who on there, and yeah, they're expecting a big earthquake

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on this on the West coast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, being from California.

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Speaker 4: You're always expecting always.

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Speaker 3: We've been waiting for that damn earthquake for how many

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years now? And you know this is speaking of someone

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who has survived not one, but two major earthquakes where

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I was sitting right on top of them. The last

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one was the ninety four Northridge quake, and let me

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tell you that one really got my attention. And and

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you know, let's see, Ollywood's been making movies about it. Well,

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there was just one out this summer, San Andreas, and

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yet now Fox News is releasing this as like this

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is a big story that nobody knew about.

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Speaker 4: Well, all I can say is if all the cats

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disappear one day, I'd be head nies at a rapid pace.

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Speaker 5: The cats and the dogs.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the animals, absolutely, they all run out of

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the house and disappear into the wilderness. That's one of

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the most accurate predictors that something's on its way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when, you know, just drop everything, get in

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the car, and take off head east YEP as quickly

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as possible. So anyway, how's how's you been doing this

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Speaker 4: Busy and trying to weather you know, one hundred degree

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high humidity heat and then it drops down thirty or

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forty degrees, so uh, you know, the weather shifts. This

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last weather shift here in in the Uh, in the

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Great Delaware Valley. It has been nice because it cooled

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our share pretty hot and humid weather. But other than that,

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were in wonderful tax New Jersey. So just hanging in there,

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how about you.

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Speaker 3: Well, pretty much the same, pretty much the same. But uh,

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really looking forward to tonight's show, and I think, uh,

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that'll be our queue to go right into it.

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Speaker 5: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: We have a couple of great guests and really excited

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to talk with them because their case is at the

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center of one of the earliest and most well known

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alien abduction cases in the United States. Probably one of

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the earliest ones was the Betty and Barney Hill case

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in nineteen sixty four. But in nineteen sixty seven, Betty

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Andreason had her own experience and it was documented in

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the book by Raymond Fowler called the Andreasen Affair. But

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that's not where the story ends. It seems like that's

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only the beginning. So we're welcoming to the show tonight,

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Betty Andreas and Luca and her husband Bob Luca, Betty

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and Bob, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you very much for happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you if you having a son, well, and we

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need to rewind you again, get real close to the

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phone and speak up so the folks at home can

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hear you nice and clearly. But thank you very much

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for joining us this evening.

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Speaker 3: Now, Betty, I'm going to that I read the Andreas

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and Affair book many many years ago for the first time,

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and i've been I reread it again recently, and you know,

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that story alone was incredibly fascinating, and then yet finding

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out that there's a lot more going on with your story,

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I was wondering if you and Bob wouldn't mind, first

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of all, for those you know, one or two listeners

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who may not be aware of your story, just tell

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us a little bit about yourself and maybe you started

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a little bit to that first experience.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I married Bob and I have seven children

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and life goes on, so there's quite a bit to

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lot of radio shows to inform the people of the

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Andreas and Affair, and we appreciate you having a son. However,

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what happened was it was nice eighteen sixty seven and

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my husband had an accident and he was in the hospital,

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and so my mother and father came to stay with

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me and my seven children. And at the time it

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was evening, the kids were watching television. The power was on,

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and suddenly a reddish orange light was flashing through the

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pantry window and the lights all went out. So my

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father thought it probably was the police or fire department,

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went into the pantry area and I started out to

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the kitchen. So it was really first my father was

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the first one to see the beings coming intoward the home,

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and he explained them as children, small beings that were

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dressed in costume moon costumes. He felt, you know, the

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thing is, at first he didn't want to say anything.

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He remembered what he saw and everything, but he was

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fearful of its social security being taken away from him.

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a strange thing that happened, and I did need someone

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there that also saw them, and so he did talk

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with the investigators and tell them what had happened. But

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meanwhile I was in the kitchen and standing there, and

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the reddish orange light was flashing through the room, and

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all of a sudden, five beings entered my home right

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through the wooden door. And they're standing there before me,

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and they looked very strange. They were about five feet

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they had a belt and a slash across their chest

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that went to the back. And immediately I was thinking,

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who could this possibly be? And I was thinking, well,

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the Word of God says entertain the strangers, for it

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may be angels unaware, And so this is what I

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thought they were.

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Speaker 5: Betty.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to interrupt you just for a moment. I'm

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going to let you know you are coming over very

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very faint. And I was wondering, if are you and

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Bob in separate.

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Speaker 7: Rooms, nowhere in the same room.

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Speaker 3: Would it be possible for you to talk on Bob's phone,

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because I know he was coming through a little bit

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clearer on that phone, and because we want to make

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sure everybody can hear you clearly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well hold on for a second.

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Speaker 7: Okay, how's this is?

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Speaker 3: This?

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Speaker 7: Better.

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Speaker 3: You said that these beings came in the home with

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the large black eye.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're standing there, and you know, they look so

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strange to me. But I just thought of scripture where

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it says entertain the strangers put it, maybe angels unaware,

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because this was an odd looking being to me standing

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before me. And so anyway, the thing was, they sort

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of gave me a feeling of peace and love. And

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they were talking to me but through the mind, and

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it was difficult to understand what they were saying. And

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I thought they were saying that they were there for

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something to eat, and so I went to the refrigerator,

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got some meat, went to the stove, took out a

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frying pan, started to cook some meat with him, and

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they stepped back. The leader stepped back, kind of astonished,

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and he again spoke to me through the mind. No, no,

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we don't want something to eat like that, We want

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knowledge tribe by fire, And I thought, well, what in

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the world would that be, And the only thing I

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could think of, well, the Bible has been around for

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a long time, so it definitely had been tried by

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fire for people to try and understand it, and so

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I told him to come into the living room. We

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went into the living room, and it was only the leader,

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whose name was Quasca. He told me his name, and

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three other beings beside him. The other being evidently had

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gone over to where my father was and was standing

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in the area that there was like a wall there

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and it went into the pantry area, so he was

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by the window when he had been looking out and

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saw them coming down the hill. So anyway, we were

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in the living room and I reached down for the

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Bible that was on the end table, and when I did,

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I could see my family, My mother and my children

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were all sitting there as if time had stopped with them.

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They weren't like a state of suspended animation. And I

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reached for the Bible and passed it to the leader,

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and when he held out his hand, I could see

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he had three fingers. And he put the Bible in

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his hand and he waved his hand over it, and

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three smaller books appeared on top, and he passed them

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to the three beings that were beside him. They held

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them in their hand and they didn't turn the pages.

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The pages automatically turned, and they it was like bright light.

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I couldn't see any writing or print on those pages.

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It just looked like bright light was flipping by, and

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it seemed as if they were consuming whatever it was

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with their eyes. Now the leader saw that I was

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a little apprehensive, hensive with what was happening, and wondering

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what was happening to my family that were sitting there

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so still, And they took my daughter Rebecca out of

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that state, and she stood up and she looked over,

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but she could not move. And he then passed me

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a thin blue book, and he said it was for

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my initiation, that I should read it and look through

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it for ten days, and after ten days it would

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be gone. Well at that time, Becky had seen it

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at the same time, but as I said, she could

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not move. After that, I put the book down, and

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he had me getting back with him, and we went

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out into the kitchen and out through. I went out

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through the wooden door right with him. I didn't feel anything.

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It was just as if I was passing through air,

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right through the wooden door into the porch and around

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the corner somewhat and up the slight Incline Hill there

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and there was a craft Betty.

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Speaker 3: Before you continue, let me ask you a question when

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this all happened, when your family would seem to be

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frozen and then these beings come through the door, what

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is your thought? Were you terrified? Were you comforted? I mean,

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what kind of emotions were you feeling at that moment

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in time.

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Speaker 7: I was first shocked, I mean, to have them come

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right through the door. And then the only explanation my

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mind would come to it has to be an angel

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or angels that came through, even though they did not

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look like an angel, like you know the pictures you

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see of the beautiful people with wings and so forth.

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But that was my thought of it. And then all

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of a sudden, there was a peaceful feeling and a

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piece of a feeling of love that was present. And

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that's what drew me to the understanding of a scripture

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where it says entertain the stranger, where it may be

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angels unaware.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, all right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that you change when you felt the love

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and the peace come through. In some of these cases,

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it just does seem like they are able to, I

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want to say, manipulate emotions, but be able to focus

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emotions so that people will calm down or be in

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certain states when they take them right.

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Speaker 7: But I was told there were seventy races there's any

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planet Earth, So I mean there are going to be

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some that probably are not doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Bro probably not, just just like people. You know, there's

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good bad everywhere you turn, even out in the slums

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of the galaxy. So they took you outside through the

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solid wooden door. You went through it like it didn't

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even there. And what did the ship look like?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, when we were outdoors, the leader

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Quaska raised his hand, and when he did that, the

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bottom part of the craft became trans parents and I

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could see it like I was looking right through a window,

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and there was this uh. These they were strange. They

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were like big, huge crystal cut like glass balls on

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the bottom, and they had stems attached to it that

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came up, and on top was another crystal, smaller ball,

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and then it had like two amateurs that came out,

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and it carried a wheel, a glass crystal like wheel,

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and around this there were three of those, and around

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this was this kind of a tube that it evidently

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moved upon and that's what I saw as far as

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what the bottom of the craft looked like. After that,

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he just lowered his hand and we went to the

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front part of the craft. The door opened and we

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went inside, and a couple of them just left to

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go someplace in the craft evidently, and they kind of

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left me standing there with maybe one or two for

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a while. And then after that I was taken into

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an upper room and I saw some just some details

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of things. It was like a long table like and

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it had these, i don't know, horns like on the

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edges of each corner, and there was sort of a

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it's kind of hard to explain everything that was fair,

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but there was also a it must have been like

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a camera that came out of the wall, because I

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saw it come out as if it was watching everything.

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After that they had taken me came back for me.

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We went down these stairs and then into another room,

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and when we passed I could see there was it was,

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you know, I'm not machines. That kind of hard for

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me to explain, but it was like a square and

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the thing pulled out and it was like honey comb

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cones indented in sections of this and there was I

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guess they used that as some kind of a power

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pot of their craft, because it seemed as if it

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had like energy coming out of it. That was one

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of the things that I saw of what the craft

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looks like as well. But they had taken me aboard

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and I was told that I was going to be

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measured full light. So I was brought to a place

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to change my clothes into a small garment that was

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hanging in this small kind of strange looking room, and

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it was just hanging in mid air. I changed my

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clothes and put the on. I also had to be cleansed.

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I had to get under a cleansing machine where it

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rose up and then a light came down on me.

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Speaker 3: When these were happening to you, they're doing these tests,

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they're making you change clothes. What was going through your

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mind at that point? And one of the questions I'm

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really interested in knowing is did it feel like it

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was real?

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Speaker 5: Or well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it felt so, it wasn't it didn't have a

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dream like quality, or it didn't feel like a like

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an altered state of perception.

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Speaker 7: No, No, it felt very real. Interesting, you know, because

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within me, I thought, how can I get out of here?

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You know I was. I was kind of frightened, even

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though they weren't hurting me at all, But I mean

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I was in a strange atmosphere, and you know anytime

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you go where if something unusual a strange, you wonder

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about it and you kind of feel shaky what's going

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to happen next? And at that point I was told

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by the leader that, you know, he was going to

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measure me for light. And after I changed and was cleansed,

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I was brought into another room and I was put

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up on a table and as I lay there on

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the table, he said he had this sort of like

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a fanlike thing and he waved that over me. I guess,

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measuring me for light. It had like a fan type

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to it with tulipped things like on the end of it.

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And as he waved it over my whole body and

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down by my legs and feet and everything, he said, well,

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he is going to have to measure me more because

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I something about the light around my knee and back

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of my knee. He had to measure me physically. And

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I objected to that because he said he was only

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going to measure me for light and that was it.

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But he said he had to now measure me physically,

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and that's when he started to check my whole body.

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I'm laying on the counter there, and it was, you know,

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it was stiff. I felt nervous, and that now he

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was going to start to measure me other ways, yes, physically,

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and so at that point what happened was he had

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a needle and he wanted to measure me for procreation,

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and he stuck the needle into my navel, but he

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put his hand on my forehead, which took away a

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great deal of the pain. So that made me feel better.

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And I could feel the instrument, you know, in my

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navel and around my stomach as it moved around. And

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he said something to me about something missing, you know,

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and I had had a hysterectomy, so that evidently I

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told him I had a hysterectomy, and evidently that is

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what he found was missing, unless he thought that there

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was something more to it, that maybe they had put

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something there, I don't know. After that, he also said

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that he had to examine me further, and he put

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another type of needle and he put it into my

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left nostril, and when he did, I could feel it breakthrough.

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But he had his hand on my forehead that was

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taking away a great deal of the pain. You know.

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At times this makes me so nervous because I remember,

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as i'm telling you the things, I'm remembering what I

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went through, and it is, I don't know, if you've

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had anything really bad happen and you're brought back to

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that same situation, often it makes you shiver almost, you know.

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And so anyways, he placed the needle in my left

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nostril and it went up. I couldn't feel it, and

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hear it break through, but he took away the pain.

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And when he withdrew then the long needle, there was

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a little babie like thing on the end of it,

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the little pickers and it like. And evidently what had

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happened was at that time I didn't realize I had

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had an earlier encounter where I had been implanted.

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Speaker 3: So they were removing an implant that you were previously

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aware of.

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Speaker 7: Yes, exactly, yes. And after that, after that was finished

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and everything, I had to go back out into the

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other room and I changed back into my clothes and

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they brought me into another room. We went past a

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thing It looked sort of like an elevator, but you know,

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it's hard to explain all the details because it was

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so much that was happening, and I was so much

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so nervous from the whole thing and scared at times

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that it's hard to recall everything that was happening. But

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they took me into another room, and this was like

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a Quantt Hut type room. Now, at this time, there

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were two smaller beings with me, but they were dressed

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in silver suits, and when they had examined me, they

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were also dressed in silver suits, and they wore white

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gloves at that time. But when I went into this

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other area, the ones, the two that were with me,

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were dressed in silver suits. And in this Quantt Hut

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type room, there were eight chairs and they seemed like

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they were glass of plastic chairs. They had covers to

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some of them, and they sat me in the very

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first chair off to the left, and as I sat

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in there, the hood came down. They put a thing

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in my mouth first and put some sweet tasting I

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don't know, a food or whatever, a liquid and it

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tasted sweet, and I began to relax when that happened.

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And then the whole chair filled up with water, and

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I guess the beings fought. I mean, the investigators thought

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that I was being put in this chair as we

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were traveling along, so I wouldn't I would be able

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to stand, what if the precires were or something. But

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after that had happened, the the liquid came, you know,

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came out of the chair, rained out of the air,

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00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:21,960
and the hood went up, and then I was taken

483
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,880
and I was put on in the middle of this

484
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,359
quant and room was like a black track, and one

485
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,119
of the being, small beings with silver suits, got in

486
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,240
back of me, and the other being got in front

487
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,799
of Betty.

488
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:41,079
Speaker 3: Before you continue, let me ask real quick, do you

489
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,599
feel that you lost consciousness at all while you were

490
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,079
in the chair.

491
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 7: I think I may have, because it was just so

492
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,640
strange everything. It was filled up with water, with this gray,

493
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,720
liquidy water, and I'm fearful, you know, drowning from it.

494
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:07,160
But they gave me things that would make me be okay,

495
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,039
because I came out of it anyway, okay. And they,

496
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,519
as I said, once it went up, the liquid drained

497
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,799
and the hood went back up. To excuse me, and

498
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,400
I stood on this long track with one of the

499
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,079
beings in back of me, one in front, and we

500
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,720
moved along, and I could see the other chairs there

501
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,119
on the right hand side as well. But we moved

502
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,200
along and we were going past this It was sort

503
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,400
of like a quantt hot type long room. And we

504
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:47,039
just moved along on this black track. And what happened

505
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,559
was the beings took a black hood and they put

506
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,519
these black hoods over their heads, so they were like

507
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,480
in a silver suit with a black hood over their head,

508
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,319
and I had nothing, was just in the middle of them,

509
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,359
moving along, not even walking. I was just moving along

510
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,480
on this track. Somehow we went we're going ahead, and

511
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,599
we came up to it looked like a mirah. And

512
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:21,000
what happened was we moved into a tunnel that was

513
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:26,319
all black, and the only thing I could really see

514
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,920
very well was the silver suits. That gave me some

515
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,839
you know, something to hold onto, like you know, where

516
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,759
I was and everything. As we moved along on this

517
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,359
track in these this black tunnel or cave whatever it was,

518
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,480
I could see there were other entrances off to the

519
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,200
left and to the right because they were docker colored

520
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:56,279
as if they went into other areas. And as we

521
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,640
moved along, we kept on going up ahead, and we

522
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:07,640
came to an area that that seemed like also like

523
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,839
red atmosphere was there, and we moved into the red

524
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,720
atmosphere while we were on the track. As we moved

525
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:23,000
along in this red atmosphere, there were these strange buildings.

526
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,359
They were built, but there it was like open windows

527
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:33,039
and doors, and there were these strange red creatures there,

528
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:38,079
and they were climbing over the walls and in the windows,

529
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:44,359
and they had like for their head they had their

530
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,440
neck was like two stalks that came up and big

531
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:54,559
black eyes on the end of these stalks, and then

532
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,720
they sort of like what you'd think of frogs legs, uh,

533
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,359
you know, front pots of their legs would look that

534
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,480
looks like their arms and their legs were that way,

535
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,359
and also their fingers. Of these red creatures, strange red creatures,

536
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,480
and they were all over the place, and they were

537
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,039
looking at me, and uh, you know, and I wondered, well,

538
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,519
why didn't the beings give me something to cover my

539
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,960
head too, because it was it seemed as if these

540
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,920
these the beings in the silver suits with the hoods,

541
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,480
black hoods on their head were not to look at

542
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,559
these red creatures. And I thought, well, why why don't

543
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,720
I have was an eye provided with some kind of heads,

544
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,039
but I had to see it.

545
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 5: Uh, did you see any type of my.

546
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 7: Long, dark, dark hair that they figured that was enough?

547
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,039
Speaker 5: I guess did they?

548
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,279
Speaker 3: Did you feel any type of threat or menace from

549
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,200
these creatures?

550
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,119
Speaker 7: Well, there was something as if they were an army

551
00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:00,480
of some kind. This is what was what went through

552
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,359
my head. I don't know if it was the being

553
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,359
that was telling me, but it seemed as if they

554
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,719
had them for a particular purpose, and one of the

555
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,320
purposes were something like an army for some reason. But

556
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,480
we moved on the track. It automatically moved, and we

557
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,960
moved out of the red atmosphere. It was a swirling

558
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,039
like door and it had red and it turned into

559
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:34,760
green as the door was swirling, and the track went

560
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,079
right through it. And we went right through the red

561
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,000
into a green atmosphere. And this was very surprising to

562
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:48,000
me because we were way up high and I could

563
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:54,199
see way way below excuse me, a green ocean, like

564
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,920
bright green ocean, and the atmosphere was green. It was

565
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:04,719
very strange, and we just moved along, and as we moved,

566
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480
they again did not take those black hoods off. They

567
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,960
just stayed one in back of me, one in front

568
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,039
of me, and we just moved along this track. I

569
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,920
was able to see what was happening. I looked off

570
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,880
to the side, to the left hand side, because it

571
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,400
looked like there was some kind of crafts moving in

572
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:28,480
this atmosphere. And I've drawn pictures of everything that I

573
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,360
saw so that people can have a better idea, because

574
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,800
it's very hard to explain every detail of what the

575
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,400
thing was shaped like and looked like and so forth.

576
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,159
But we moved along and there was very little land

577
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,800
that came upward. I saw some vegetation, but very little there,

578
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:55,199
and it was all different colors. And as we moved

579
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,159
in this green atmosphere, we kept on moving along on

580
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:02,400
this track, and it was like it was kind of scary,

581
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,760
but I was very felt secure, like I couldn't fall,

582
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,159
even though I could look, and I could see this

583
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,360
green water underneath there, you know, like an ocean. And

584
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,119
as we moved along, we kept on moving, and I

585
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,679
could see off to the left hand side. After I

586
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,840
had seen that ship or whatever it was that passed by,

587
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,239
I saw a city and it was way way in

588
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:33,280
the back there a background like and it had domes

589
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,360
in the city and these like pointed like pinnacles, and

590
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,920
there were tracks running all through this city as well.

591
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,320
Although I was quite a ways away from the city.

592
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,679
It was off to the left hand side in the

593
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,360
distance that I saw this in the green atmosphere, and

594
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,440
as we continued on, we continued on as we passed

595
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,199
the city, and all of a sudden I saw to

596
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,760
the left there was this huge pyramid. But it was

597
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,519
a three sided pyramid. It was a reddish brown. Even

598
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,280
though the atmosphere was green, I could make out it

599
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,639
was a reddish brown, and it had white edgings to

600
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:30,719
the three sides. It was shaped more like it was

601
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,280
a bird, like a flat in the front, and then

602
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,760
it indented a little and went out to the point,

603
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,239
and then the other side indented a little and joined

604
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,679
the other point. So it was a three sided pyramid.

605
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,400
And on top of it was a huge head. It

606
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,840
looked like an Egyptian head was right on top of

607
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,920
the center of the pyramid. What was so strange was

608
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,559
Mark was also years later there was I guess Hoagland

609
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:13,760
had pictures of something on Mars where there was a

610
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,280
head or a faith. Yeah, yeah, well that's exactly what

611
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,360
that head looked like. It had the same kind of headdress,

612
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,960
and the head was just sitting on top of the

613
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,639
of the three sided pyramids. We moved along, kept moving along,

614
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,559
and as we did, it started to get brighter and brighter,

615
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,840
and the green started green. Atmosphere started to get a

616
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,360
little bit lighter, and it seemed more like a blue,

617
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,639
you know, like sky to me. As we were moving

618
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:51,480
along on this track, and at that point, all of

619
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:56,079
a sudden, I heard like tinkling and tinging sounds, music

620
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,400
like thought of sounds, and we were coming up to

621
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:07,079
these magnificent crystals that were hanging in mid air off

622
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,960
to the left, and they were just it was just

623
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:16,159
absolutely the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, just hanging

624
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,639
in mid air. And as we moved along, I was

625
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,559
watching this and at this point we were coming up

626
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,920
to something while we were on this black track, and

627
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,079
the thing is, I saw a bright, bright light shining

628
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719
and as we are closer and closer off to the

629
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,719
right side, I saw something. I know this must sound

630
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,559
crazy and impossible to people, but if they were there,

631
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,039
they would see what I'm talking about. And it's hard

632
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:56,880
to explain exactly, you know, what had happened. It sounds crazy,

633
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,199
but it happened, and there's this huge bird that looked

634
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,199
like an eagle, or well I thought it was an

635
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,039
eagle with its wings down. And as we were on

636
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:14,199
this track and came closer and closer to it, we

637
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,880
came to some land like there, and the two beings

638
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,079
got off and took their hoods off. But they said

639
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,599
I had to go on, and so I went on.

640
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,840
And this huge bird I could see the wings down,

641
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:34,039
and the feathers were like moving like you know, fluffing out,

642
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,320
like little feathers all over the wings that were down,

643
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,079
and there was bright light. It was as if the

644
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:46,199
eagle was holding back these streaks of bright, bright light

645
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,960
all around. And when I got up to that point,

646
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,039
all of a sudden, it seemed it was getting so hot,

647
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,039
and there were spots of fire or light all over

648
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,199
the place. It seems as if I felt as if

649
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,639
I passed out, because the next thing I recalled was

650
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:15,320
there was this huge pile of gray clay or what

651
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,760
of dirt or whatever it was, and out of it

652
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,239
came a huge worm, a gray, huge worm. Now it

653
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,039
was still a bright bright light there, and at that

654
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,119
particular point I heard my name being called from the

655
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,840
bright light that was before me off to the side,

656
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,920
and it said Betty, Betty, and you know, I was

657
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,800
afraid because it was so strange. And the boy said,

658
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,239
you have seen and you have heard. Do you understand?

659
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,239
And I started crying and I said, no, I don't understand.

660
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,199
I don't even know why I'm here.

661
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: What is this?

662
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 7: I don't understand. And the boy said, the voice out

663
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,360
of the brightest, brightest light said I have chosen you

664
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:16,920
to show the world. And at that point I just

665
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,960
was thinking of the Lord Jesus that, you know, it

666
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,480
must be something with God or with the Lord Jesus

667
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,199
that was happening, because I just didn't understand all that

668
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:33,400
was taking place. And when I was told that I

669
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:38,360
was chosen to show the world, I asked, what is this?

670
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,480
You know? And after that, the next thing I remember,

671
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,199
I'm turned around and I'm going back, and the one

672
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,280
of the beings were in front of me and went

673
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,039
in back, and we just followed that same track. The

674
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:56,440
track just moved on its own. We went past the

675
00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:01,639
crystal that beautiful like a gem in the air. We

676
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,880
went past those, kept going and off to the right

677
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:13,119
hand side. After I saw the city first, I saw

678
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,239
the three sided pyramid, and then I saw the city

679
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,280
and there was still large domes and pinnacles and black

680
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,239
like tracks going all over, as if that was their

681
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,440
transportation whatever, And we kept on moving. The beans had

682
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
put the hoods back on their head. One was in

683
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,880
front of me, one was in back of me, and

684
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,199
as we moved along, We're in this green atmosphere, so beautiful,

685
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,000
so comfortable, And then all of a sudden I could

686
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:50,840
see a swirling ball of green and red, and we

687
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,039
entered into the red atmosphere again, where the strange creatures

688
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:02,039
were all standing, crawling on the walls and everything. It

689
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:07,360
seemed as if the two beings had to have woods

690
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,280
on their heads when they were around these red creatures

691
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,159
for some reason. It was years later that I had

692
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,960
another experience and I found out why. But as we

693
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:26,000
moved through the red atmosphere again, I was brought through.

694
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:30,000
We went through like a mirror, and then went into

695
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:33,159
the We were in the tunnel, and I still could

696
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:38,519
see like there was other outlets in this big tunnel

697
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:42,039
or cave, whatever it was. And as we moved along

698
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,960
on the track, we came back into the quantcert hut

699
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:50,679
type room and I was set in another chair off

700
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,360
to the left, and they set me down and my

701
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,679
arms had to be on the handles of this chair

702
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,000
and I felt something sharck make and after that I

703
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:09,800
was taken out of that chair and we moved through

704
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,880
the area, and that's when after I was starting to

705
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,719
be taken home. But it was a strange experience. There

706
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,679
was so much that happened, and I get the shakes

707
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,360
even now when I'm having to tell about it, because

708
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
it feels as if I relive a little bit of

709
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,639
it each time, and it's very difficult to tell all

710
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,440
the information and the details of everything that happened.

711
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: Well, Betty, that's that's an amazing story. And I have

712
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,000
to say, as I was just sharing with Mark, I mean,

713
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:54,840
you sound completely sincere and honest with it. It's as

714
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,079
you said, it's very hard for anyone to even imagine

715
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,519
you experience, saying that if they didn't go through it.

716
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,280
I have a bunch of follow up questions if I may,

717
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,960
and I was trying to write them down as you

718
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,880
went through it. Could we go back to and I'm

719
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,199
sure you've been asked these questions before, but I'm interested

720
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,719
in some of the nuts and bolts questions about your experience,

721
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,679
for example, this craft. When when you were taking aboard

722
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,400
this craft, do you have any idea of the size

723
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,599
of it? Because I know there's a lot of listeners

724
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,880
that want to ask these type of questions. Your your

725
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,719
diagram is very good in illustrating what you were explaining.

726
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,599
So if folks went onto your website, which is andreson

727
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,760
affair dot com, there are some uh drawings, black and

728
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,000
white drawings that you made and they helped describe the

729
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:51,719
three elements, the crystals in the in the bottom of

730
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,760
the craft, which was probably the propulsion unit. I think interesting.

731
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,920
As an aside, this actually mimics to some the configuration

732
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:07,880
that Bob Lazar described when he worked out at Harry

733
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,960
fifty one and he was able to see these back

734
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,480
engineered craft. Some of the other things that you related

735
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:18,599
to in my many years of research going back to

736
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:25,000
nineteen seventy six and Roswell the counter rotating segments of

737
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:28,199
the craft. Could you explain the color. Did it look

738
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,119
like it was metallic?

739
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 7: Well, it looked metallic, but it could have been like

740
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,440
a glass like because it seemed as if they could

741
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,480
raise their hand and you know, you could see the

742
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,320
interior of it. They also told me at one time

743
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:56,400
that they used mercury in a gel to fly the craft.

744
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:02,280
And I guess since then there has been I think India,

745
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,440
I guess the Vermono or whatever you vedic texts, which

746
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,719
I had never heard of that ever before. But what's

747
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,360
so strange is just recently, this last two Thanksgivings, my

748
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,599
daughter was here. It was around Thanksgiving and she says, my,

749
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,079
uh Mick and I her brother have been trying to

750
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:30,639
figure out where the cellar door was to that house

751
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:37,039
in South Ashburnham outdoors and uh so I told her,

752
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,079
and then she said, as you mentioned how she was

753
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,239
out in. They were outdoors over by the Cement Foundation,

754
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,360
which is pot garage and pot and just an open

755
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:56,159
foundation at this particular house, and they found they found

756
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,320
mercury and they were playing with it. And I said,

757
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,360
what I said, mercury what I was so upset. She says, yeah,

758
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,840
we were putting it in our hands back and forth

759
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,440
and playing with it and everything. So the only thing

760
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:18,119
I could figure out what had happened was when the

761
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,679
craft had come to my home, it went over in

762
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,639
that area because it was dark in that area and

763
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,400
there were trees and everything, and there was that cement area,

764
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,599
so they must have stayed there when they put out

765
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,239
the lights of the whole area. And then they came

766
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,079
and they settled down on the back hill next to

767
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:43,199
the house. But I was surprised to hear that my children,

768
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,599
not only my daughter but the rest of my children

769
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,639
were playing with mercury that they found out there. Now,

770
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,400
I mean, that doesn't grow out on a.

771
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: Cement, no, And I'm glad they didn't get sick from it, because.

772
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 4: If you touch it, it's not well.

773
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 7: They were yeah, well, I think what happened was evidently

774
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,119
either the craft leaked it or they let some out

775
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,840
and it doesn't have as much danger or something to

776
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,599
a person once it's been used or something. I don't know,

777
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,159
but I was totally shocked before Thanksgiving when my daughter

778
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,480
was here and mentioned that they had all played with it.

779
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,039
Speaker 4: Must have been Afford with the leaky radiator. Let's go

780
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,920
back to But you know, it's interesting that you should

781
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,800
say that now that you were told at the time

782
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,599
that it was mercury that they used to propel the unit.

783
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 7: Mercury and some kind of gel.

784
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,559
Speaker 4: Well, this is very interesting because if you go back

785
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:46,480
to the the glock. The stories are surrounding the German Insleasia,

786
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,559
the German experimentation with the bell it was it's reported

787
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:59,920
that that attained a zero gravity effect by rotating a

788
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,840
mercury liquid mercury counter rotating that at super high speeds

789
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,800
within the containment. So you had two different systems going

790
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,639
in alternative directions, just as you related to the top

791
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,960
of the craft turned in one direction in the bottom

792
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,800
and another, and many other, many many other descriptions of

793
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:27,079
aerial craft that have been put forward for many, many

794
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,320
years report that you have this counter rotational effect. So

795
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:36,960
there's two things that corroborate with other stories, and this

796
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:41,440
is the torsional effect caused by a very heavy liquid

797
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:46,679
such as mercury or some type of liquefied lead may

798
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,480
have the properties to nullify the gravitational effect in the

799
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,719
same way that a gyroscope can cause that to happen.

800
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,000
So I find that interesting. Did you some other quick questions?

801
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,880
How much information did these beings give you on on

802
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:08,440
where exactly their planet was or where you were transported to,

803
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,440
and any other details technically on what you know what

804
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,800
this craft was about.

805
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:18,199
Speaker 7: How how I saw I saw the craft, and I

806
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,800
matter of fact, I drew down the pictures that you know,

807
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,320
what I saw and remembered. I drew down, and that

808
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:30,840
is Bob has put those on our Facebook so people

809
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,280
can actually see what the workings that I saw.

810
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,639
Speaker 4: And did you was it all one room inside the craft?

811
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:42,920
You mentioned that you were put on a table and stuff.

812
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,239
Could you explain the interior design of the of the

813
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,440
craft and what you experienced in there?

814
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 7: Well? The thing was, first of all, I was I

815
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,800
was brought in and I waited there for a while

816
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,440
by myself, and I was brought up some stairs round

817
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,199
It seemed as if now I don't know how that was,

818
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,760
because the craft when I was standing there, I didn't

819
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,199
think it was that big. But I was brought around

820
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,920
some stairs and up into an upper room. And then uh,

821
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:21,679
after that, I was brought down again and into another area,

822
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,199
and I saw the the like a square thing that

823
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:34,519
had these honeycomb things with glass long stems with glass

824
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:35,000
on them.

825
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:35,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

826
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,039
Speaker 7: And I think that was some kind of an energy

827
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,880
power unit of some kind. And then I was brought

828
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,639
into a change into the change, the changing room, I

829
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,360
just had to stand on a rounded thing and the

830
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,599
light came down all around me. Then I had to

831
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,159
get into an odd shaped room like a V. The

832
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,599
floor was like a V, and then it rose up

833
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:03,079
with Uh. There was a garment just hanging in mid

834
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,239
air that I had to get into and put on.

835
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,079
Then from there I was taken again into I'm maybe

836
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,719
not getting all the details, but then I was brought

837
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
into the same outer area and into the room where

838
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:22,840
I was uh checked, you know, with the needles and everything,

839
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,199
and checked for light.

840
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: What could you explain that though? When when you say

841
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,000
checked for light, do you understand what that means? I'm not,

842
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,880
you know, I'm not sure what checked for light meets well.

843
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 7: And I was measured for light, it was like like, ah,

844
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,400
you know, measure It could have been measuring my spirit. Uh,

845
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,280
I don't know, but checked for light.

846
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:48,199
Speaker 1: Uh.

847
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,199
Speaker 7: They just moved it over At that time, I didn't

848
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,079
even think of it, just you know, they said they

849
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:55,239
were measuring me for light.

850
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: Period.

851
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 7: And they were moving this thing up and down my

852
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,079
body and over by my legs and and my knees,

853
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,000
and they said that on the back of my knee.

854
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,360
There was something. I don't know what it all meant,

855
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,440
but the thing was that they would have to measure

856
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,039
me physically, and I thought, you know, you told me

857
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,119
just Quaska said he was just going to measure me

858
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:18,800
for light, and now he's wanting to measure me physically,

859
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,880
and that's when those needles were used.

860
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 4: And how many other beings were there besides this one individual?

861
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:33,599
Speaker 7: Oh, there were well, there were there were five beings

862
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,079
with Klasga when they first came into the house, and

863
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,000
then when we got into the into the craft, there

864
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,880
was like I remember about two and then I was

865
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,719
brought up into the upper room and then I was

866
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:53,199
taken down again and I was brought into the examining

867
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,920
room after I had changed and everything, and there was Quasga,

868
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,760
and I think there was two or three others they

869
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,400
as well.

870
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,199
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to jump in right here because we're

871
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:08,840
gonna have to take our top of the hour break.

872
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,599
But when we come back, we want to talk to you,

873
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,039
and of course, Bob, you get in and talk to

874
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,239
you about not only what you experienced. They have a

875
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,679
lot of follow up questions about the world that you've visited,

876
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,119
but also what's happened to you folks subsequent to this event.

877
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:26,039
Because a lot of time has passed and a lot

878
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:28,920
of events have passed in your life and we want

879
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,880
to talk about that in detail. So Mark and I

880
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,559
will be back with you. Just hang tight, Mark, take

881
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:34,320
it away.

882
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 3: Sure thing, Brucell, Everybody, don't go away. We'll be right

883
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,119
back after these messages, so stay tuned.

884
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,559
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888
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899
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936
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938
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It's wonderful having art back on the air after all

939
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,519
this time. Now we're talking with our guests tonight, Betty

940
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,519
Andreas and Luca and Bob Luca. And you know, Betty,

941
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,719
your story, you know, from that original first story, is

942
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,400
incredibly fascinating, and that's the one I know I'm most

943
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,679
familiar with. I think most people who have heard your

944
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,599
story or read the books have have understood that. But

945
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:21,639
that's really only the tip of the iceberg, isn't it

946
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:22,519
both yourself?

947
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,039
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, definitely yes.

948
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: And you did touch on something in there that that

949
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,800
I've always suspected and which seems to be the case

950
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,000
with a lot of people in your predicament, which you know,

951
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,360
in the early days, when the sixties, between your case

952
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,719
and the Hills case, you know, people thought of alien

953
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,840
abduction as a one time event that happened to somebody,

954
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,039
And it's really come out over the last few years

955
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,840
and with all of the experiencers such as yourself that

956
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,719
we've had the opportunity and the pleasure to interview, is

957
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,920
that these things not only happen more than once, they

958
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,920
seemed to have a pattern of happening your entire life.

959
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 5: So is that the case with you, Yes, it.

960
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,039
Speaker 7: Most definitely is The very first one was at seven

961
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:16,199
years old. I was living in Leminster, Massachusetts, and I

962
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,280
was outside in a little hot that my brother had built,

963
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,480
and I was eating some crackers waiting for my friend

964
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,440
Eady to come over and play dolls with me. A

965
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,239
ball of light came in. I thought it was a

966
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,519
bumblebee zipped around my head. It struck me in the

967
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,440
forehead and I could see then it was light, and

968
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,360
I down I went, and I heard the voice say,

969
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,679
the wee little one is coming along fine. So evidently

970
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,000
they had their eyes on me for a long period

971
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,199
of time, and they said that very soon I was

972
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:54,199
going to be happy about something. Well it was later

973
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,599
on my parents moved to Westminster, Massachusetts at an old

974
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:03,800
farm house, and at the age of twelve, I had

975
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:10,480
another experience happened. I was sort of a tomboy and

976
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:14,320
I was into a lot of things. The bond had

977
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,480
some traps in it, and I wanted to see if

978
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,400
the traps worked. I had been up in the woods

979
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:25,880
saw a large hole by the Mountain Laurel, and so

980
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,159
I thought, I'm going to try that trap there. The

981
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:31,440
next day, when I went up there, the trap was gone,

982
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,000
but a being came out of the hole, and as

983
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:38,320
it came up, it looked almost like one of those

984
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,880
gray bees nests, you know, Wrinkley bee's nests, and all

985
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,079
of a sudden it was outstanding before me, and I

986
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,920
was really frightened at that time, and I stepped back

987
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,599
and I took the stones that I had picked up

988
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,840
in my pocket and threw it at it. When it did,

989
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,840
the stones hit something and just fell to the ground.

990
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:03,960
And it was just things happening all the time. It seemed,

991
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,880
you know, we're seven years old. This was at twelve

992
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,920
years old. And at that point the being touched a

993
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,719
button on his chest and a light came out out

994
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,119
and struck me again in the middle of my forehead,

995
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:23,400
right like sort of between the eyes. And down I

996
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,320
went and I could hear some talking from the thing

997
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:33,199
that hit me in the head, and it said more

998
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,719
or less that I had another year to go. And

999
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,480
after that they I heard the being talking with the voice,

1000
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:50,800
and the thing was I couldn't understand what was happening,

1001
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:58,960
but it just was. At that time. After I woke

1002
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:03,440
up from all of this, a year later, I was

1003
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:10,559
once again taking aboard the craft. It was I was

1004
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:15,880
thirteen years old at that time, and I was going

1005
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,519
up in the backwoods to check the garden and the

1006
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:24,039
blackberries that were growing near it, and all of a sudden,

1007
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:29,639
my attention I was on the stairs my father had built,

1008
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:32,639
going up the first hill, and my attention was drawn

1009
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,199
to the right, and I looked up in the sky

1010
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,159
and it was the moon out, and I thought, oh,

1011
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,440
that's strange, what is it doing out at this time

1012
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,360
of day? And it got brighter and came closer and

1013
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,719
close to me, and that's when I was picked up again.

1014
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:49,119
And at that particular time, there's a whole experience that

1015
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:56,079
I went through, and that's when they implanted their small

1016
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:59,679
baby like devices that they.

1017
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,639
Speaker 5: Would come and take out many years later.

1018
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,639
Speaker 3: Now, now you know, unfortunately we've had Bob sitting in

1019
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:09,519
the background fairly silent this all time. And Bob, we

1020
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,559
really like to get you in here and tell your

1021
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:16,159
story as well. Now, I guess could you tell about

1022
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:19,679
how you two met and how did you know that

1023
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,920
you shared an extraordinary connection?

1024
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,199
Speaker 1: Sure, the way we met was rather unusual, to say

1025
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:32,719
the least. I met Betty in nineteen seventy seven, and

1026
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,920
that trip actually started in nineteen forty four, in nineteen

1027
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:44,000
forty four, was during World War Two. I was five

1028
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:48,000
years old, and I was on a swing set that

1029
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:51,119
my uncles had built for me. My mom and I

1030
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:54,119
were living with my grandmother because my dad and all

1031
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:58,760
my uncles were in the military. So I was out

1032
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,800
on my swings, typical little kid enjoying the day. And

1033
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,119
I noticed a bright light in the sky, and it

1034
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:09,159
was different than the sun because it was a whitish

1035
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:13,559
bright light as opposed to a slight yellowish tinge to

1036
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:16,920
our sun. And even as a little kid, I knew

1037
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,800
something was unusual here. Well, this thing came closer and

1038
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,039
closer and closer, and it finally stopped slightly above and

1039
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,559
to the left of my swing set, and I could

1040
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:33,320
see clearly it was a saucer shaped device or craft,

1041
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,000
and it had a glass dome on top, and it

1042
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:40,880
was small. As it tipped to the side, I could

1043
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,880
see there were two little what I called then little

1044
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,760
people inside. They were basically the typical gray as they

1045
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:56,719
would be described today. A very fine light came out

1046
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,079
of this craft, and it was about the thickness of

1047
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,000
a pencil that and it struck me in the forehead,

1048
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:07,199
and I was paralyzed. I could not move on that

1049
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:13,679
swing set, and I heard a voice and they What

1050
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,520
they told me, basically was that they were preparing something

1051
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:22,520
that would be good for mankind in the future. And

1052
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:28,640
they said that people like myself in the future would

1053
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,079
meet other people that had seen them. They made it

1054
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,960
clear that they had been all apparently spoken to many

1055
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:38,520
many people, and that in the future we would meet

1056
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,840
and not be frightened. And I was told that I

1057
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,199
was not to tell anyone of this experience. Well, that's

1058
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,399
kind of a hard thing, you know, to swallow was

1059
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:57,279
a little kid. But years later, when I underwent hypnosis,

1060
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,039
I got a little conformation. For one thing, During the war,

1061
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:07,119
everyone had a victory garden, and the victory garden was

1062
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:10,039
to the left of my swing side. Well, there was

1063
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,000
an area of that garden where nothing would grow anymore,

1064
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,680
and there's still one of my cousins alive today that

1065
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,920
remembers that. Also, at one point they called in a

1066
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,399
woman psychic that did psychometry, and she was very good.

1067
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,119
She'd worked with local police, she'd actually worked for the

1068
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:35,880
government tracking Soviet submarines back before we had satellites. And

1069
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,800
she took my knife and from that described exactly what

1070
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,520
happened to me. But she also said there were pipes

1071
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,239
and vines off to the left and all, and I

1072
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:53,760
thought I didn't remember any pipes and vines. So some

1073
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,640
time later I was talking to my mom and she said, oh, yeah,

1074
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:04,159
your grandfather had put up a grape a pipe arbor,

1075
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:07,399
and of course there were grapevines there. Now I didn't

1076
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:11,680
even remember this, so that was some confirmation for me.

1077
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Now Here I am at this time five years old

1078
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:19,199
having an experience, while Betty had one at seven years old,

1079
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:23,720
and it's in the same year. Then in nineteen sixty seven,

1080
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:26,840
I was a young man. I was on my way

1081
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,399
to the beach a beautiful sunny day, and I came

1082
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,399
to an area known as a trap rock, and as

1083
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,199
I crossed over the railroad tracks, I noticed there were

1084
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:41,039
five men working on this railroad track that went into

1085
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:43,840
the trap rock where they took the crushed stone out

1086
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,319
and so forth, But none of them were working. They

1087
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:50,760
were all looking up in the air. So naturally I

1088
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,159
look up to see what's going on, and I was amazed.

1089
01:10:55,279 --> 01:11:04,000
I saw these two huge cigar shaped craft, very bright

1090
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,319
like polished chrome in the sunlight, and it was there

1091
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:08,640
wasn't a cloud in the sky.

1092
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,359
Speaker 10: It was a.

1093
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: Beautiful clear day. So I pulled my car over to

1094
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,640
watch this. Obviously, these are not aircraft. There's no wings,

1095
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,760
there's no tail section, there's no noise, there's no contrail.

1096
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,920
So I'm watching and these things from where I was.

1097
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,479
They were headed toward New Haven, Connecticut. As they went

1098
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:36,279
along side by side, a small saucer shaped object dropped

1099
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:39,439
out of the belly of each one. One went off

1100
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,199
toward new Haven, one went in the opposite direction. Meanwhile,

1101
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:46,439
I sat there in my car and I watched until

1102
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,159
everything was just totally out of sight. I thought, wow,

1103
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:55,039
that was amazing. I start my resumed my trip to

1104
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:56,800
the beach, and I get down the road a few

1105
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,319
miles and this is a very rural area at the time.

1106
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:02,760
There were no house in that area, and one of

1107
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,560
these small craft was coming back. It came back toward me,

1108
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,760
and it came down with a float like a falling

1109
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,000
leaf motion, stopped a few feet off the ground to

1110
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,960
the left hand side of my vehicle, and I just

1111
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:21,239
stared at the da you know, because I mean, it's

1112
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:24,800
just so unusual all of a sudden. Now all this

1113
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,000
is conscious memory, all of a sudden, there was a

1114
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:33,039
blinding flash of red light and the only way I

1115
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,800
can describe the red, it was like a ruby ray laser,

1116
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,600
very very intense red. And the next thing I know,

1117
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,039
I was inside this thing and there were typical grays there.

1118
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:52,439
They had uniforms. They had a red skin tight uniform

1119
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,760
and there was a lightning bolt emblem on the left

1120
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,000
side of the chest. And now I'm starting to get

1121
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:04,199
little frightened. I was asked to remove my clothing and

1122
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:08,399
I was put on a I want to say plexiglass

1123
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,159
or glass table. I really don't know the material, but

1124
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:17,359
it looked like plexiglass. And they examined me. They took

1125
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,520
samples of my skin, they took samples from my nails.

1126
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:26,239
They manipulated my joints, like my ankle, and I moved

1127
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:28,880
my head back and forth. The only movement I really

1128
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,000
had of my own free will was pretty much my eyes.

1129
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:35,920
And now at this point, I'm scared. I'm wanting to

1130
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,439
get out of there, and they're telling me, you know,

1131
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,840
don't be afraid, We're not gonna hurt you. They're very

1132
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,880
very calming, and I'm thinking to myself, yeah, that's very nice,

1133
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,359
But I want to get out of here, because this

1134
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,159
table there were no visible restraints, and yet it felt

1135
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:55,840
like I had just been super glued right to that table,

1136
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:02,560
no visible restraints at all. They then they took a

1137
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,760
sperm sample, and not in a very pleasurable manner. Then

1138
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,760
I was scanned from head to foot by something that

1139
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,800
came out of the ceiling, and it's I can only

1140
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,840
describe it as possibly like a modern X ray, only

1141
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:25,800
emitted a pinkish white light, almost like a sparkler, and

1142
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,119
only a light pinkish white, And that went from one

1143
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,399
end of me to the other, back and forth, back

1144
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:35,439
and forth. And when they were done with me, I

1145
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:40,039
was put back in my vehicle and continued my ride

1146
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:43,159
to the beach. Now it was eleven o'clock at that time.

1147
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,439
I should have been at the beach about eleven forty five,

1148
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:51,680
but almost three hours had passed by the when I

1149
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,880
got to the beach. And for years I never knew

1150
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:59,199
you know what happened to that time? You know, we're

1151
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,840
or was I what went on? And then in nineteen

1152
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,159
seventy seven, a friend of mine asked if I wanted

1153
01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:09,720
to take a trip with him. He was going to

1154
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,600
look for work in some different states, and I said, yeah,

1155
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,800
I'd like to do that. Well, this is unusual for

1156
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,399
me because I was a very hard working guy. I

1157
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:27,279
worked long hours and I was very much into my job.

1158
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:30,279
I was a single guy. I was a service manager

1159
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:34,119
for a car dealership. I was making a good salary.

1160
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:36,520
I had a new car every three months, and you

1161
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,720
know this is something that you don't want to blow. Well,

1162
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:42,600
I don't know why, but I felt compelled to take

1163
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,600
this trip and it was going to require a month.

1164
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,399
So I went through my boss and I told him

1165
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:51,079
I needed a month off and he said no.

1166
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: I went home.

1167
01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:55,359
Speaker 1: I thought about it over the weekend. I went back

1168
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:58,680
in a Monday, I talked to my boss. I said, well,

1169
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,920
I said, there's three things we can do. I said,

1170
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,840
you can give me the time off. I can quit,

1171
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:08,720
or you can fire me, but I'm going. So it

1172
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,560
ended up he actually did give me the time off.

1173
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,439
But again, it's very unusual for me. So my friend

1174
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,439
Eddie and I had taken a trip that we had

1175
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,520
gone down through Texas, California, and Washington State.

1176
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 3: Bob, let me just stop you just for a second there,

1177
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:27,399
and I'm gonna say, Betty, be careful I think you're

1178
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,600
you're so close to the phone you're breathing into it.

1179
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,520
So you're, yeah, you're kind of breathing over Bob a

1180
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:38,479
little bit there, But Bob continue, maybe just temporarily. Could

1181
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,039
you also switch phones because that other phone is a

1182
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:41,840
lot clearer?

1183
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:46,279
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? On how's this?

1184
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, much better? Much better?

1185
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,399
Speaker 1: Okay. Good. So we were on our way back to

1186
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:57,159
Connecticut across the northern tier of the country and at

1187
01:16:57,159 --> 01:17:01,079
a rest area. I don't know why, but we just

1188
01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:04,520
decided its further moment to go to Florida. Now, this

1189
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,960
is several thousand miles out of our way from going

1190
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:13,399
back to Connecticut. We got to Florida and my friend

1191
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,039
had a sister in law there. We pulled our camp

1192
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:20,119
trailer up onto her property, and the second night we

1193
01:17:20,119 --> 01:17:23,880
were there, during the evening meal, she mentioned that she

1194
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,119
had worked with a woman that had had a uf

1195
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,439
all experience. Boy, that set bells off in my head

1196
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,159
as wow, maybe here's somebody maybe I could talk to,

1197
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:35,760
because the only people I ever told were my parents

1198
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,000
and my best friend, who was a police officer at

1199
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,680
the time. And you know, back in the sixties, I

1200
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,359
didn't want to end up in an asylum if I

1201
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:48,119
started talking about that. So I went down to where

1202
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,439
Betty was working, and she wouldn't talk to me because

1203
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,239
Ray Fowler, the books author, had told her that reporters

1204
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:57,800
would more than likely you all over her and not

1205
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:02,159
to say anything. Well, a really hard time convincing her

1206
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:07,399
that I was not a reporter. We finally made a

1207
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,880
date for the following day to go out for have

1208
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,439
lunch together, and I've been having that lunch with her

1209
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:16,800
ever since that time.

1210
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: That's a long lunch.

1211
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,399
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was really a blessing for me,

1212
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,720
because I really didn't like keeping that, you know, closed

1213
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,680
up for all those years, not being able to talk

1214
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,199
about it, or being really afraid to talk about it.

1215
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,600
And I think it was a relief for her too,

1216
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,720
because here we could talk about what we each experienced

1217
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,760
without being worried about ridicque or anything like that. Of course,

1218
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,880
today it's different. People are a lot more aware, and

1219
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000
of course today we're both older and don't really care

1220
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:55,119
whether people believe it don't believe it, because we know

1221
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,039
the truth, We know what happened. And as far as belief,

1222
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,319
you know, people used to believe the world was flat,

1223
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:05,600
but obviously that had no effect on the globe. So

1224
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,640
we you know, we've come to terms with that, and

1225
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,760
we basically helped each other out through some of the

1226
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:16,960
rough times early on. But what I never expected was

1227
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:20,439
when the book came out, the Andreas and Affair Book.

1228
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:23,760
In fact, it was even a little before it came out,

1229
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,079
the government seemed to have taken quite an interest in us.

1230
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:33,159
The first thing we noticed the house we were living

1231
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:39,479
in was overflown by these black military unmarked helicopter and

1232
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,399
by unmarked, I mean no tail numbers, no id numbers,

1233
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:49,720
and they were pretty much qeuh ones. And later on,

1234
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,760
about a year or so later than the blackhawks were

1235
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:56,920
noticed over the house quite frequently. They were the black

1236
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,560
hawk was fairly new then, the army had just got

1237
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,560
b purchasing them. Well, we were at that house in

1238
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,520
Meriden for approximately a year and the flights got so

1239
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,079
frequent that one of the neighbors, who was a town councilwoman,

1240
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:17,520
started to document the times and the altitudes of the

1241
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,680
flights because they go over they'd rattle the windows in

1242
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,199
the house. I mean, you knew when they were there.

1243
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,960
We moved to another town and figured, well, you know,

1244
01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:32,680
that's that. With the helicopters, well, they moved with us,

1245
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,399
and they became more and more frequent because now the

1246
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:41,319
book was out and we were doing a tour to

1247
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:47,960
promote the book. And here's what happened. The helicopters continued.

1248
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,079
We got an IRS audit every year for the first

1249
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:56,720
three or four years in a row. Our telephone got tapped,

1250
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:02,159
we were followed by vehicles and I'll explain how later.

1251
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,640
But I got the license plate numbers and when they

1252
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,079
were run through the police computers, they turned out to

1253
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:13,439
be unissued. So we'll take it a step at a time. Here.

1254
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,680
On the audits with the IRS, it got so bad

1255
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:22,199
that the CPA that we had got into shouting matches

1256
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,920
with the IRS agents because he said this is pure

1257
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,000
and simple harassment. They asked for documents that were older

1258
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,680
than seven years, which I did not have to produce,

1259
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,399
and one of the auditors said, you know, I told him,

1260
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,359
is I'm not giving you these I don't have to,

1261
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,600
and he said, well, we can audit your ex wife

1262
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,159
and get the information we need. Well, at the time,

1263
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,199
my ex wife and I didn't get along too well,

1264
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:53,680
so I told him as well, you want to get

1265
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,479
busy then, don't you. So she got audited. But the

1266
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,520
other things that they did, they asked they would not

1267
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,960
accept my canceled checks as proof of payment for water

1268
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:13,199
sewer taxes, mortgage, the payments saving statements I had from

1269
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:15,520
the banks. I had to go to the town and

1270
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,000
get signed statements. I had to go to the banks

1271
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,399
and get signed statements from bank officials. So this is

1272
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:29,279
pure and simple harassment. Then the helicopters. The law federal

1273
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:34,439
aviation regulations require a helicopter to maintain a minimum of

1274
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,840
five hundred feet laterally between buildings. These things had come

1275
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,239
over our house and I have pictures of them on

1276
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:46,079
our website. They had come over our house at altitudes

1277
01:22:46,279 --> 01:22:52,399
of seventy five feet or so. This is totally illegal.

1278
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,439
And I knew what they could see because I was

1279
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,760
flying myself then and I'd flown over our house. So

1280
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,399
I had a good friend at worked that was in

1281
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,520
the military, and he asked me if I wanted to

1282
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,279
have a little fun with him. I said sure. Well,

1283
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:10,119
he built me an exact, full size replica of a

1284
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:14,600
surface to air missile and I said, oh, this should

1285
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:20,800
be interesting. So sooner and later we hear the familiar

1286
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,640
huey now Hue. He makes a very distinct rotor noise.

1287
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:26,319
So we could hear it was approaching our house from

1288
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:29,520
the north and it was low. So we went out

1289
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,600
the back of the house, which is the south side,

1290
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,079
and we set up dis missile on a cement pad

1291
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:38,920
that we had out there, and I told Betty, I said, well,

1292
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,039
let's see if they're really looking at us or not.

1293
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:45,760
I knew what he would see. And sure enough, as

1294
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,920
he cleared the roof of the house where he could

1295
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:53,039
see into the backyard, that helicopter flipped sideways and he

1296
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:56,880
did an evasive maneuver. And I told Betty, I said,

1297
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,720
you know, I thought about this guy's headed back for

1298
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,520
a shower and a change of Now I love it.

1299
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,000
Oh yeah, it was obvious they were looking at us.

1300
01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 5: Oh yes, Now, in that time, you know, the I. R.

1301
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:13,239
Speaker 3: S Is auditing you, and of course the helicopters are harassing.

1302
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,119
But did any any point during that time did they

1303
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:20,319
ever come around and say, yeah, we could make this

1304
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:22,399
all go away if you just shut up.

1305
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 1: No, but there were threats. I'll give you two examples.

1306
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:33,359
We were doing a lecture out in Phoenix, Arizona, and

1307
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,000
I had many slides of the helicopters, and I was

1308
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:39,279
talking about them at the time. Then there was an

1309
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:43,880
intermission and a fellow approached me who was obviously to

1310
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,000
me military. I mean he had shortcut hair, his shirt

1311
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:49,399
was buttoned straight down the buttons in line with his

1312
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,720
belt buckle, shiny black shoes, sharply creased pants. I mean

1313
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,960
this guy had government written all over him. And he

1314
01:24:57,039 --> 01:24:59,079
just came up to me quickly. He said, We're only

1315
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:01,319
sending the helicopter, so we don't have to hurt you.

1316
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:06,399
I said, okay, fine. On another occasion, we were at

1317
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,800
MIT doing a lecture and doctor Heinek rushed over to

1318
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,840
Betty during a break when she was alone. He rushed

1319
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,680
over to her and he said, stick to philosophy, leave

1320
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,880
the military. Oddius. Well, he was telling her for me,

1321
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:25,520
because at the time, I was pushing the military heart.

1322
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,439
I mean I was calling the Pentagon, I was calling

1323
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:32,079
Wright Patterson. I was trying to follow up every possible lead,

1324
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:34,319
and I was harassing him somewhat, filing a lot of

1325
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:38,640
Freedom of Information Act request. But the thing is, they

1326
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,239
put us through such hell that even today I'm having

1327
01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:48,319
a problem today with the FBI because the Department of Defense.

1328
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:52,680
Two computers from the Department of Defense, one belonging to

1329
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:57,960
the Navy Space Weapons Systems Division and the other one

1330
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,560
belonging to the Army National Guard, both computers under the

1331
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,920
control of the Department of Defense, hacked my personal computer. Now,

1332
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:15,039
I worked as a computer technician before we moved to

1333
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:19,000
where we are now, and so I caught them. As

1334
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,840
a matter of fact, the software I had was so good.

1335
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,920
I have the exact time and date, I have the

1336
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:30,119
ID number of the computers involved, I have the owners

1337
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,159
of the computers involved, and I have the physical street

1338
01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:40,279
address of the computers involved. I wrote to the Department

1339
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:42,479
of Defense and said I wanted to know why they

1340
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:48,199
were into my computer. And the Inspector General of the

1341
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:52,279
Army wrote back and he verified that the computers did

1342
01:26:52,319 --> 01:26:55,439
in fact belong to the Navy and the Army, and

1343
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,680
in writing told me an investigation would be done. Well

1344
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:04,640
this day, no investigation has been done. So I contacted

1345
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,680
the United States Attorney General's Office and they said that

1346
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,680
basically that it's a federal crime and that comes under

1347
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,920
the jurisdiction of the FBI to investigate. So I contacted

1348
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:23,399
the FBI. I sent them certified mail. Six months went by,

1349
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,680
I get no reply at all, so I send them

1350
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:32,960
another certified mail and it was returned to me unopened.

1351
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,840
They would not claim it because they know what it is.

1352
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:40,119
I'm pushing them to. I want to know why they

1353
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:44,560
were my computer in the first place. Hacking a computer

1354
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,880
is a violation of federal law. Otherwise they would not

1355
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,560
be investigating the sports teams that were hacking each other's computers. Secondly,

1356
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,159
that the violation of my personal privacy rights. So the

1357
01:27:56,239 --> 01:28:00,119
FBI thinks that just because they returned my mail and

1358
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,279
to drop it, Well, that's not going to be the case.

1359
01:28:02,399 --> 01:28:04,439
And there'll be more coming up on that in the

1360
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,880
next several weeks or so. But I want to mention

1361
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,560
something interesting as far as the technology. A lot of

1362
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,840
people had witnessed these helicopters, people that had come to

1363
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,479
visit us, and all but the most startling thing. We

1364
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,600
were doing some private lectures and we were in Connecticut

1365
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,079
at the house of a psychologist, and there were about

1366
01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:31,520
twenty people there. Betty had just finished talking about her

1367
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,520
experiences and I was no more than a minute into

1368
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,039
talking about the helicopters, and suddenly the windows on a

1369
01:28:40,079 --> 01:28:43,800
house started rattling. You can hear the noise. The people

1370
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,399
look out and everybody saw a low flying black helicopter

1371
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:56,079
slowly circling the house. Okay, so coincidence. A few weeks later,

1372
01:28:56,119 --> 01:29:00,520
we were doing a lecture for a dentist in New Britain, Connecticut.

1373
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:06,560
Betty finished her talk, I started on the helicopters. Boom,

1374
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,960
you can hear the rotor blades. Same thing. Helicopter comes up,

1375
01:29:12,079 --> 01:29:16,640
slowly circles of house. Okay, that's a heck of a coincidence.

1376
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,880
Except a few weeks later, when we were lecturing for

1377
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,800
a contractor in Merriton, Connecticut, the exact same thing happened.

1378
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,359
Speaker 3: So were these lectures taking place in your home or

1379
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:28,720
were they taking place on the site.

1380
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: No, they were in the homes of these people, the psychologists,

1381
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,399
the dentist, and the contractor, which were in different cities.

1382
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: So obviously they were able to tap in with listening

1383
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,560
devices to know at which point you were getting ready

1384
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,760
to talk, and then they would come in and harass you.

1385
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 1: They knew where we were at all times. We would

1386
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,600
vacation in New Hampshire, they were in New Hampshire. We'd

1387
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:58,239
vacation in Florida. They were in Florida in New Hampshire.

1388
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,159
There was one incident that was kind of humorous. We

1389
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,680
decided to tent one time instead of taking a trailer,

1390
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:08,840
and we had a large one hundred pounds plus shepherd,

1391
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,239
so we put up our tent in the Oxbow campground

1392
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,960
in Hillsborough, New Hampshire. It was beautiful little place, and

1393
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:19,039
I drove a stake in the ground and chained the

1394
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:23,119
dog right in front of the tent door. Well, we

1395
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:26,119
were there a few minutes and in comes our shadow

1396
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,319
in an suv. The guy gets out. It's just about

1397
01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:37,039
getting dark, and he starts trying to put up a tent. Well,

1398
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,279
obviously he'd never done it before. Because he couldn't do it.

1399
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,359
He ends up swearing up a blue streak. I mean

1400
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:45,479
we could hear him clearly because he was only about

1401
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,199
twenty five thirty feet from us and sleeps in the

1402
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:54,199
suv overnight keeping an eye on us. Apparently, so they

1403
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:58,119
there were some humorous things like that. But another thing

1404
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:01,800
that happened that I haven't questioned the FBI on Betty

1405
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,159
and I when we're living in Connecticut. Neither one of

1406
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:07,720
us is crazy about cold weather, so about three o'clock

1407
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,560
in the morning, we went out. We went over to

1408
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,720
my friend's house, who was kind enough to let me

1409
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:16,680
park my travel trailer there. We hooked up the trailer

1410
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:22,279
and off we went to port them. Well, we were

1411
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,720
there for a few weeks. We got back and the

1412
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,680
guys at work are telling me, Hey, Bobby said, you

1413
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,479
know the FBI was here looking for you. I said,

1414
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,840
are you sure? Oh yeah, they had photo ID. So

1415
01:31:36,079 --> 01:31:38,239
Betty and I go to the federal building in New

1416
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:41,800
Haven and we walk in off the street. So the

1417
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,560
agent does not know us, or he shouldn't have known us,

1418
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:49,359
and we ask why they're at my job and why

1419
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:53,159
they're looking for me, and they gave us a standard. Well,

1420
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,960
we can neither confirm nor deny that agents were there,

1421
01:31:56,079 --> 01:31:59,079
although there are signed statements from people I work with

1422
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,319
that are in a magazine article that Connecticut Magazine did

1423
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,199
where the guys actually talked to the FBI agents and

1424
01:32:07,239 --> 01:32:09,880
they didn't know where we were. But the other interesting

1425
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,000
thing while we're there, I said, well, you know, while

1426
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,760
we're here, why you guys tap on our telephone? And

1427
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,600
he said, well, he said, in this case, he says,

1428
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,600
it's not us, it's air Force Intelligence. Okay, several months

1429
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,520
later I get a chance to talk to Air Force

1430
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,840
Intelligence and it's oh, no, we need a court order.

1431
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,279
It's the FBI, it's not us. So this is the

1432
01:32:33,399 --> 01:32:36,359
kind of run around you get anytime you deal with

1433
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:41,399
the government. The other thing they did to instill fear.

1434
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:47,079
We were on our way to Florida and pulled off

1435
01:32:47,079 --> 01:32:50,079
in ninety five, went into a campground because I was tired,

1436
01:32:50,079 --> 01:32:51,800
and we figured, well, we'll stay there for the night.

1437
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:57,800
Nobody knows we are there. The campground manager comes down

1438
01:32:58,319 --> 01:33:02,680
after we're there about forty minutes and says, Betty asked

1439
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,800
for Betty, and he said, she said, your son called.

1440
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:12,479
Now nobody knew where we were, including Betty's sons. Another occasion,

1441
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,000
we had to fly to Chicago for a show and

1442
01:33:17,039 --> 01:33:20,079
we're in Harford, Connecticut. I go up to the desk

1443
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:24,439
and the guy says, oh, mister Lucas already boarded the plane.

1444
01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:26,880
So I thought it was somebody with the same name.

1445
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,680
I said, no, no, I'm mister Luca from Spring Street

1446
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,239
in Cheshire, Connecticut. He says yeah, he says he's already

1447
01:33:33,239 --> 01:33:36,600
boarded the plane. So this is their way of letting

1448
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,680
you know, you know, we know where you are at

1449
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,399
all times, and it was supposed to I guess it

1450
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,159
was supposed to strike us with fear, but it didn't work.

1451
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:53,079
Another interesting thing, I've taken hundreds of pictures of these helicopters.

1452
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,600
I sent two to Kodak in Boston and I had

1453
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,800
him blown up to twenty by forty posters. I got

1454
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:08,079
them back six weeks later in a mailing tube marked Washington,

1455
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:13,399
d C. So somebody wanted to see what I photographed.

1456
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,760
Apparently the other thing that I didn't mention While trying

1457
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,439
to track down these helicopters, I contacted all the military.

1458
01:34:23,119 --> 01:34:27,359
I contacted the FBI, the CIA, the Federal Aviation Administration,

1459
01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:31,359
and the Federal Aviation Administration was real funny. I sent

1460
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:35,279
them the pictures and all close up, so good shots,

1461
01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:38,479
clear shots of these helicopters, and I said, you know,

1462
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,840
I want to know who wounds these. I gave them

1463
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:44,560
the time of the flight, the date, the compass heading,

1464
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:50,760
the altitude, no end numbers on them, right right. So

1465
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,279
they wrote me back and said, well, we can't identify

1466
01:34:53,319 --> 01:34:56,359
them because there's no ID numbers. Well, duh, that's why

1467
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:57,960
I wrote to them in first place.

1468
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they didn't have a trans wonder on them

1469
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:01,359
or anything else.

1470
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, I don't think those guys ever filed a

1471
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,760
flight plan. And I was told I ended up talking

1472
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,800
to a pilot that actually flew one of these helicopters,

1473
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,239
and he said, because of the coating on them, their

1474
01:35:14,279 --> 01:35:18,439
coating is infrared and radar absorbing. And he said that

1475
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,720
if they could fly right over an airport and if

1476
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:24,479
the transplander's not on, the airport wouldn't know they were there.

1477
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,680
So I thought that was kind of interesting. Now, the

1478
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,800
worst thing that they ever did to us when we

1479
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:36,199
lived in Cheshire, Connecticut, they broke well, they broke into

1480
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:39,520
two of our homes. But when we were in Cheshire,

1481
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,119
We're in bed. It's two o'clock or so, maybe later

1482
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:46,760
in the morning, and I woke up to hear two

1483
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,000
men talking. And at first, you know, I thought, did

1484
01:35:51,039 --> 01:35:53,600
I just wait out of a dream or something, But no,

1485
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,520
I'm wide awake, and I look at the bottom of

1486
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,439
the bed. We had that large German shepherd dog. He

1487
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,560
got up and all his front legs spread out and

1488
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,079
he went face down on the floor. So I thought, oh,

1489
01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:10,640
this isn't good. Something's wrong. So I reached in my

1490
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,079
nightstand for where I kept the thirty eight, and I

1491
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:17,600
was going to confront whoever it was. Well, the next

1492
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,960
thing I know, it's morning and I got one wicked headache.

1493
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,680
And Betty woke up and she said that she had

1494
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,600
a terrible headache as well. So we got dressed, went

1495
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:33,079
to work. Both feelings sounds like all of you. Well,

1496
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:36,399
here's what happened. We came home and she said that

1497
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,479
her right arm or her left arm was hurting her

1498
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,960
all day. She's right handed, and I said, that's funny.

1499
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,760
My right arm's been paining me all day. I'm left handed.

1500
01:36:46,079 --> 01:36:49,720
So we rolled up our sleeves and whatnot, and there

1501
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,720
was about an inch to an inch and a quarter

1502
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,760
black and blue mark. We're pretty much like where you'd

1503
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,000
get a vaccination and with a puncture mark in the

1504
01:36:58,039 --> 01:36:59,319
middle on both of us.

1505
01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, or take blood.

1506
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think they might have put us

1507
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,960
out with a gas type sleep agent through the window,

1508
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,479
and then when they got in the house, they might

1509
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,840
have injected us to keep us out longer, or like

1510
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,199
you say, maybe taken. But I you know, I don't

1511
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,119
know what happened, but I did ask our family doctor.

1512
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:20,960
I said, what about if we go to the hospital

1513
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:23,920
and have blood taken. He says, not too late, He's nothing,

1514
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:28,199
nothing would show up. So that was about the worst

1515
01:37:28,279 --> 01:37:29,039
thing that they did.

1516
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 3: It's how well they knocked you out with gas and

1517
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,800
of course which would get the dog too long enough

1518
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,640
to those samples, and then of course you probably just

1519
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:42,760
stayed asleep, Yeah, because the would knock you out further

1520
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,439
because of unless you if you noticed any markings on

1521
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:45,800
the dog.

1522
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:50,079
Speaker 1: No, I never actually, we never thought to look. But

1523
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:52,319
the kind of person I am in is somebody breaks

1524
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:55,199
in my house in the middle of the night, I

1525
01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:58,239
would have plugged them. I mean, you know, I'm gonna

1526
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:00,720
be real honest. I don't think people have any right

1527
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,960
to do that. And if it was a government agent

1528
01:38:04,079 --> 01:38:06,840
or a crook or I wouldn't know the difference. So,

1529
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,399
you know, they put their own people at risk in

1530
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:11,920
that case. But they must have been darn sure that

1531
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:16,079
we'd be out before they came in. Another house. We

1532
01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:21,000
had another place we lived in Connecticut. We were on

1533
01:38:21,039 --> 01:38:24,399
our way to do a lecture and we came back.

1534
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,239
We were in a camp trailer when one hundred and

1535
01:38:27,279 --> 01:38:31,319
forty four acre campground was beautiful place. I come back

1536
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,039
and we had a brand new thirty foot travel trailer

1537
01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:38,960
and it was all wrapped up with rope where the

1538
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,800
door is. And what happened was somebody broke in while

1539
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:48,960
we're going and my neighbor was kind enough to you know,

1540
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:51,840
wrap rope around the things several times and tie it

1541
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,319
off so the door couldn't be opened. The only thing

1542
01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:59,960
that was stolen were drawings Betty had done of the interior,

1543
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:05,159
the propulsion system of the craft. Now there were firearms,

1544
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:13,680
computer parts, jewelry, nothing was touched. Only those two documents

1545
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,039
were missing. Well, this was a rural area, so I

1546
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:20,159
had to call the state police to get a report

1547
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:23,439
filled out so I could make an insurance claim. So

1548
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,119
the state trooper came up and I told him what

1549
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,520
we were involved with. I told him I suspected it

1550
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,079
was government, and he was a pretty nice fellow he,

1551
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,720
you know, he said, look, he said, if I find

1552
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,520
something out, he says, I will let you know. So

1553
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,439
I thought, well, that's nice. About a week later, I

1554
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,800
go down to the office and there's a different trooper

1555
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,560
there and I asked him where the trooper was that

1556
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,079
I had talked to, and he said, he's been transferred.

1557
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:53,119
I well, where is he transferred to? I don't know,

1558
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:59,359
So that would have not struck me as hard as

1559
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:04,279
it did if the same thing didn't happen with the FAA.

1560
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,000
We had one individual who told me that what was

1561
01:40:08,039 --> 01:40:11,439
going on with the black helicopters sounded like a CIA operation.

1562
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,119
He was so interested. I had talked to him at

1563
01:40:16,119 --> 01:40:22,560
the Federal Aviation General Aviation District Office in Boston because

1564
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:27,880
they were the controlling agency for our area. This man

1565
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,560
drove all away from Boston down to Connecticut to our

1566
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,119
house to visit us on a Saturday, and he left

1567
01:40:35,159 --> 01:40:39,600
a note on my door. Unfortunately, Betty and I were

1568
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,880
not home that weekend, so by Tuesday we were back.

1569
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,720
I called the FAA office, I asked for the man

1570
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:52,239
by name, and I was told he was transferred. So

1571
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,800
this is no coincidence. These people do not want to

1572
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,239
talk to us. I have a recording whenever I called

1573
01:40:59,279 --> 01:41:02,319
the Pentagon or any of the other right Patterson or

1574
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:06,279
any of those places. I recorded the conversations, and I

1575
01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:08,760
have the calls that I made to the Pentagon where

1576
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:10,479
he finally told me, nobody here is going to talk

1577
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,159
to you, and that's the way it is today the FBI.

1578
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,319
I think they're afraid to look into the Department of

1579
01:41:18,359 --> 01:41:22,520
Defense hacking my computer. It's a crime, it's totally illegal.

1580
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,600
Otherwise they wouldn't be investigating the sports team's hacking. And

1581
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,960
yet they won't even give me the satisfaction saying, well,

1582
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,600
we can't look into it because of this, or maybe

1583
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,960
the statute of limitations is run out. They won't even

1584
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,359
talk to me. But what's going to happen, one way

1585
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,600
or another, by hook or by crook or whatever. We're

1586
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,680
going to get a face to face sit down with him,

1587
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,680
and we're going to get to the bottom of it,

1588
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:50,520
one way or another. I don't know how long it'll

1589
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,399
take because they are not being cooperative at all, but

1590
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,119
they owe me at least that much. And I haven't

1591
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:58,199
pardon it.

1592
01:41:58,479 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 4: No, I don't mean to interrupt your guhads.

1593
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:02,079
Speaker 1: No, that's right. I was just going to say that

1594
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,439
after what they put us through and the age we're

1595
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:10,039
now and the attitude we've gotten now, I want some answers,

1596
01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:14,800
and I think they owe us all right.

1597
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 4: I would like to follow up with you on a

1598
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:23,600
couple issues here real quick. First of all, and Mark knowsis.

1599
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,600
We're not going to go into my background, but I

1600
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:30,960
mark this sounds strikingly familiar in many areas to the

1601
01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:35,359
situation I went through with the threats that I oh, yeah, well,

1602
01:42:35,399 --> 01:42:38,159
I went public on a very well documented case out

1603
01:42:38,199 --> 01:42:40,840
in close, New Mexico or Cannon Air Force Base about

1604
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,760
twenty years later and got the threatening phone calls the

1605
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,680
next night on a private cell phone. But having said that,

1606
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:51,079
and having spent my career in the Coastguard Reserve in

1607
01:42:51,159 --> 01:42:54,000
public affairs and understanding and also being a pilot and

1608
01:42:54,039 --> 01:42:57,920
doing aviation documentaries all over the world, I have a

1609
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,119
couple suggestions or I'd like to run some ideas by you.

1610
01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:04,840
First of all, I think the only way you're going

1611
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,760
to out these people or get any response. I noticed

1612
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:14,760
that you you did contact your state senator. Did nothing

1613
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,640
came of that at this point. I'm sure he get

1614
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:17,680
got stonewall too.

1615
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:18,199
Speaker 7: Is that okay?

1616
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gave him the same run around that I got.

1617
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 4: Well, they'll hide behind homeland security, national defense, or just

1618
01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:28,479
not even respond, which is the normal way to do it.

1619
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,680
You know what if these Hueys are budget buzz buzzing

1620
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,760
your house all the time for a long time. Here's

1621
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:38,960
here's what I would suggest. Go out and get yourself

1622
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:46,640
one of those twenty nine dollars twelve million candlepower rechargeable floodlights,

1623
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,880
and the next time one of those jackasses come over

1624
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:51,680
your house, pop it on and hit the pilot right

1625
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,640
in the face with it. That's actually not illegal. It's

1626
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,960
illegal to fly shine a laser at them, but that's

1627
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,399
not illegal, and give him a face full of that

1628
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,039
blinding light and hopefully the co pilot's got his hand

1629
01:44:04,039 --> 01:44:06,000
on the cyclic and a collective too.

1630
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 1: And we haven't had that problem in this house since

1631
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:10,960
we moved to Virginia.

1632
01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 2: Good.

1633
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: The helicopters have not bothered us here. So for whatever reason,

1634
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:26,000
we moved here from Florida. And really there's only two

1635
01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:28,720
three times in the past few years we've seen helicopters

1636
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,439
over here, So there, I think they've given up on

1637
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,880
that aspect because it just wasn't working anymore.

1638
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,159
Speaker 4: Now, have you been tailed recently? I mean your shadow

1639
01:44:41,159 --> 01:44:44,439
whoever following you. Has that happened recently?

1640
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: Not that I've noticed. Because See, when I was younger,

1641
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,399
I used to build race cars and there was no

1642
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,119
race tracks where I lived, so I used to do

1643
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:55,600
all my racing on the street. So several times in

1644
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,319
the past when we're being followed, I actually got behind

1645
01:44:58,359 --> 01:45:00,880
the cars that were following us and I got the

1646
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,800
license plate numbers and I gave them to police Lieutenant

1647
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:07,039
Larry Fawcett, and when he ran them, he's the one

1648
01:45:07,079 --> 01:45:11,960
that found out. You know, they came back as unissued plates, right,

1649
01:45:12,079 --> 01:45:14,960
So that's typically I think that's another reason they gave

1650
01:45:15,079 --> 01:45:18,399
up on that particular tactic as well.

1651
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 4: Well, you know here, here's one way to deal with that.

1652
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:24,640
You just turn it right back on it. If you

1653
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,439
if you're following, just turn on the camera on your cellphone,

1654
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,239
walk right up to him, say what's your name? You know,

1655
01:45:30,279 --> 01:45:32,319
what are you doing here? I'm taping this. I want

1656
01:45:32,319 --> 01:45:36,000
you to be and just right in their face. They're

1657
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,560
going to have to respond. Usually they turntail and run,

1658
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,600
but now you've got it on video and the best

1659
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,800
way to you know, to prevent yourself becoming a And

1660
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,000
obviously if they were going to harm you or you know,

1661
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:51,279
have a Karen Silkwood incident, that would have happened a

1662
01:45:51,279 --> 01:45:53,680
long time ago. I think the broader question that I've

1663
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,840
had to ask myself with My situation is, you know,

1664
01:45:57,079 --> 01:45:59,680
I think it's a much different case because of the

1665
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,680
history of yours than mine, just being able to document

1666
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,640
a sighting. But so I'm not comparing the two. But

1667
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:11,319
the question would be, all right, what exactly is so

1668
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,720
important to them or so concerning to them that they're

1669
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,359
trying to dissuade you from speaking about it all these

1670
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:23,560
years later. And that's not a rhetorical question. I'm sure

1671
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,680
you've asked yourself the same question many times.

1672
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Oh sure, there's one thing that has stuck out in

1673
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,560
my head. Now, all you're a pilot, right, yes, Okay,

1674
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,000
when I was flying, I went to the I was

1675
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,800
flying out of this small airport in Connecticut, and I

1676
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,720
went to the airport and they had a brand new

1677
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,640
I flew the Piper Tomahawk, the Warrior and.

1678
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:46,560
Speaker 4: The other detail.

1679
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Okay, right, I got into the Tomahawk was a fairly

1680
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,680
new airplane. It only had about three or four hours

1681
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,319
on it when I first started flying it. But anyway,

1682
01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:58,720
I went one day and I was doing my pre

1683
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,439
flight and I pulled pulled the yoke back, and it

1684
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,439
was allowed like a twang. Noise came out of the

1685
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:12,960
fuselage and the elevator control was gone. Now miss, had

1686
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,560
I been in the air yeah, you know, that would

1687
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:20,039
not be a good situation. Well, I don't know, could

1688
01:47:20,119 --> 01:47:23,439
it could Could it have been coincidence, you know, could

1689
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,039
have been just something mechanical in the airplane that wasn't

1690
01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:27,000
right to start with.

1691
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 7: Uh.

1692
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: To this day, I don't know, but I've often wondered

1693
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,920
about that. It would have been at that time a

1694
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,199
student pilot accident.

1695
01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and there are so many ways for that to happen,

1696
01:47:38,119 --> 01:47:40,720
you know, if you go back in many areas that

1697
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:46,079
we've documented over the years, Uh, there's the statistical probability

1698
01:47:46,119 --> 01:47:50,560
that people involved in specific instances or investigations of having

1699
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:55,479
a brain aneurysm or a heart attack or some unbelievably

1700
01:47:56,119 --> 01:48:01,520
rare cancer. Uh. Or you know, doctor Mackett hit by

1701
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,880
a car stepping off a curb and you know these

1702
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,319
type of things, or Vince Foster shooting himself with a

1703
01:48:07,319 --> 01:48:09,239
gun and the gun ends up, you know, twenty feet

1704
01:48:09,239 --> 01:48:12,560
away from you go go on and on. I think

1705
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:18,479
I think that it is my impression at these levels

1706
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:25,039
of this, this lack of authority, all bets are off

1707
01:48:25,079 --> 01:48:30,159
anybody's expendable. There is no sense of law or fair play.

1708
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:33,039
You can't get the system to work in your favor. Clearly,

1709
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,680
if you've got the IP address, the idea of the computer,

1710
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:42,560
and you've got it corroborated, then the state attorney general,

1711
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,479
at least in your state and the state of Connecticut

1712
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:45,960
should pursue this.

1713
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:46,399
Speaker 2: This is a.

1714
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 4: Legal matter that should be adjudicated in the courts at

1715
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,880
the very least. And then to drop it, I mean,

1716
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:55,840
it's it's beyond it's beyond frustrating. It's frightening to see

1717
01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:00,960
how out of control this has got. Well, and it's

1718
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,560
scary too. People break it into your house. They you know,

1719
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,600
it's an intimidation factor. You never know when the other

1720
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,039
shoe's going to drop, and it could be lights out

1721
01:49:10,079 --> 01:49:13,159
for you or your wife because they're letting you know that.

1722
01:49:13,239 --> 01:49:15,079
I mean, when I had a guy on the phone

1723
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:17,319
telling I mean, bullets are cheap, I said, are you

1724
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:20,560
watching B movies? Are you kidding me? I mean, what

1725
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,079
kind of silly nonsense is that? But they you know

1726
01:49:23,159 --> 01:49:26,079
what if, like you say, if you drive off the

1727
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,479
road and a tie rod breaks and you end up dead,

1728
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,119
dead is dead. It works, and bullets are cheap. So

1729
01:49:33,239 --> 01:49:37,920
I'm very intrigued by you know this on what is

1730
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:41,439
the last incident or how recently have you had any

1731
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,079
kind of harassment or any knowledge of it. Maybe that's

1732
01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:47,199
why your phones are so lousy tonight because they're being

1733
01:49:47,279 --> 01:49:50,319
tapped and the levels are down. So you know, high boys,

1734
01:49:50,319 --> 01:49:52,279
if they are listening, thanks for listening.

1735
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 1: In Fellas, that is quite possible. We have had some

1736
01:49:57,079 --> 01:50:01,039
strange occurrences at this house, but I don't I don't

1737
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:04,000
know if I can connect them to the government or not.

1738
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:07,079
There's just been some very strange things that have gone

1739
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:12,039
on in the house. I have a motion sensor alarm

1740
01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:17,880
and abasement. Well, there's nobody down there, any alarm goes off.

1741
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,239
I mean, I can't tell you a number of times

1742
01:50:20,279 --> 01:50:23,600
in the middle of the night I've run downstairs pistol

1743
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,000
in hand, thinking I'm going to find somebody in the

1744
01:50:26,039 --> 01:50:31,479
basement and there's not a soul there nothing. Is it

1745
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:35,119
something wrong with the alarm? I don't know. We've had

1746
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:39,000
instances here where a flash of light to come down

1747
01:50:39,039 --> 01:50:43,319
the hallway in the house and light should not have

1748
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,960
set off our smoke alarm, but it did.

1749
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 2: A lot of.

1750
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 3: Other people who have these types of experiences also seem

1751
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:57,560
to experience what we would look at as like paranormal

1752
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:58,319
type phenomenal.

1753
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:03,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely on one occasion. The as you know,

1754
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:07,439
Betty was also examined by a psychiatrist before the book

1755
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:13,279
was published, and that psychiatrist had come back to visit

1756
01:51:13,399 --> 01:51:18,000
us a couple of years later and just to recheck Betty.

1757
01:51:18,119 --> 01:51:22,079
He arrived at our home about nine thirty, ten o'clock

1758
01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:24,039
at night and he was going to talk to her

1759
01:51:24,039 --> 01:51:26,560
for about an hour. Well, we'll make a long story. Sure,

1760
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,479
he stayed till about five thirty in the morning, and

1761
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:33,000
while he was there, there was a huge crash in

1762
01:51:33,039 --> 01:51:36,760
the kitchen and we went out and looked. There was

1763
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,880
only the three of us in the house. We went

1764
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:42,399
out and looked, nothing at all was moved, nothing was disturbed,

1765
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:46,840
and fortunately the psychiatrists heard it for himself. Five p

1766
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:50,079
thirty or so, he's leaving, getting ready to go back

1767
01:51:50,119 --> 01:51:56,439
to his hotel, and outside it's just, you know, barely light.

1768
01:51:57,039 --> 01:51:59,800
You could see over our house there was this huge

1769
01:52:00,079 --> 01:52:04,399
cigar shaped craft that extended a cloud I'm sorry, extended

1770
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:08,039
well beyond our house is probably it looked like it

1771
01:52:08,079 --> 01:52:10,479
could have been a quarter mile long or so, and

1772
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:13,680
unlike the other clouds, this was not moving with the

1773
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:17,560
air currents. It was stationary right over the house and

1774
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,039
on the very edge it was kind of a like

1775
01:52:20,079 --> 01:52:22,720
a thick cloud in the center, but the very edges

1776
01:52:23,079 --> 01:52:25,279
thinned out and you could see a little bit of

1777
01:52:25,319 --> 01:52:29,600
starlight in some part. Well, he finally turned around. He

1778
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,479
looked at me and he said, did you see that?

1779
01:52:32,399 --> 01:52:34,920
I said, yeah, but I wasn't gonna mention it until

1780
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,239
after you saw it first. I didn't want to give

1781
01:52:38,279 --> 01:52:43,039
him the wrong idea. Oh he's yeah. He's got several

1782
01:52:43,079 --> 01:52:46,159
degrees of medical doctor's a psychiatrist, he's got a degree

1783
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:49,319
in aeronautical engineering. So I mean the man was highly

1784
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:51,119
qualified for sure.

1785
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 4: Well, well, Mark has one more question, but we've got

1786
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,039
to have you back because this is a fascinating story.

1787
01:52:57,039 --> 01:53:00,159
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Mark, I'm Bob and Betty. We just have

1788
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:03,479
a few minutes left in the show. But I'm really curious.

1789
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,920
I know you're still having the issues with the government

1790
01:53:06,079 --> 01:53:10,279
and the harassment, but what about the other experiences. Are

1791
01:53:10,319 --> 01:53:11,960
they continuing or.

1792
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 5: Have they stopped?

1793
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 7: Yes, I have had another experience with it, one that

1794
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:22,880
was like a nineteen forty nineteen ninety four ninety five.

1795
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:28,640
Around that time, but later years I went under regressive

1796
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:33,640
hypnosis and what had happened. I was given a time

1797
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,000
of waiting and rest.

1798
01:53:36,279 --> 01:53:37,520
Speaker 4: Did you switch falls again?

1799
01:53:38,279 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 7: Have cats? And now I know what took place?

1800
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:43,159
Speaker 6: Well?

1801
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,119
Speaker 5: And Bob, what about yourself?

1802
01:53:47,159 --> 01:53:50,239
Speaker 1: Not too much outside of the paranormal things that I mentioned,

1803
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:52,920
he I have been left with something from them, which

1804
01:53:53,319 --> 01:53:58,119
I usually don't talk about. But I can see things

1805
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:00,680
at times that are not there. I know this is

1806
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:04,239
going to sound a little weird. It could be people,

1807
01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:07,880
it could be machines, it could be craft. And I

1808
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,960
went to have my eyes thoroughly examined. I went to

1809
01:54:12,039 --> 01:54:15,199
my doctor, I went to the hospital. I had brain

1810
01:54:15,319 --> 01:54:19,159
scans done, I had brain my brain X ray and

1811
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:22,399
all that, and they found nothing wrong. To my doctor's amazement,

1812
01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:25,640
he said, I was normal. But from time to time

1813
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:29,000
I see these things, and I see them just as clearly,

1814
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:31,640
you know, as I could see you if you were

1815
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,119
standing three feet in front of me. I don't know

1816
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,600
why this is, but it's something that I've been left with. Also,

1817
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,279
I like to bring up before I get my mother

1818
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:45,439
remember seeing a craft and seeing the inside of it.

1819
01:54:45,479 --> 01:54:49,600
But she was so frightened she'd never undergo regressive hypnosis.

1820
01:54:50,119 --> 01:54:56,399
I believe Betty's mother also had had experiences. It seems

1821
01:54:56,439 --> 01:54:59,319
like this runs in a family line.

1822
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 7: My daughter as well has had a lot of experiences.

1823
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 3: Yes, I've heard that a lot from other abductees that

1824
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:08,840
we have talked with. It does seem to run in

1825
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:14,399
families as well as lifetimes. Now we only have a

1826
01:55:14,439 --> 01:55:17,720
couple of minutes left yet, are you still doing lecturing?

1827
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:23,319
Speaker 7: Yes, but right now we have been writing a book

1828
01:55:23,479 --> 01:55:28,920
about what has happened for the nineteen ninety four experience,

1829
01:55:29,039 --> 01:55:32,359
and it's more personal. We're letting people know exactly all

1830
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:35,199
the different things that have happened to us, the paranormal

1831
01:55:35,279 --> 01:55:38,800
things that have in our family and everything that have

1832
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:42,920
been going on, and especially this new experience I had

1833
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,920
with the one. A lot of people keep on asking, well,

1834
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,560
who is the one? Well, now I understand who it

1835
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:53,439
is because I'll see experience I've gone through that would

1836
01:55:53,439 --> 01:55:56,199
be in a new book. We are lifting the veil.

1837
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:01,039
Speaker 3: Lifting the veil, okay, now, the origin book the Andreas

1838
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,800
and Affair. I think it's been released a couple of

1839
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:08,560
different times over the years. It's certainly still available. Where

1840
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:11,000
can people get a hold of the books on your cases.

1841
01:56:11,479 --> 01:56:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the easiest way, in the best way really is

1842
01:56:14,359 --> 01:56:17,000
Amazon dot com.

1843
01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:20,159
Speaker 3: Okay, get an Amazon I know I picked up the

1844
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,600
kindle version and I was reading that.

1845
01:56:24,079 --> 01:56:26,199
Speaker 5: Do you have books on your website as well? And

1846
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:28,560
tell the folks, oh, yes, what your website is.

1847
01:56:30,119 --> 01:56:31,119
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't hear you.

1848
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 2: I sai.

1849
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 3: Could you tell people where they can go to your

1850
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:34,960
website and find more.

1851
01:56:35,439 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 1: Information Andreasaffair dot com And they will find pictures that

1852
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,439
Betty has drawn of her actual experiences as they happen.

1853
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:48,039
They will find drawings of the craft. They will find

1854
01:56:48,079 --> 01:56:51,600
the actual government documents where I caught them in our computer,

1855
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:57,119
and the letters from the state Senator and the Army

1856
01:56:57,159 --> 01:56:59,760
Inspector General. All that is on the side.

1857
01:57:00,279 --> 01:57:04,399
Speaker 7: And also Raymond Fouler had done five books because there's

1858
01:57:04,479 --> 01:57:08,319
many different experiences within there, and I believe he still

1859
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:10,680
has books for Sammy.

1860
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much, Bob and Betty for coming

1861
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:14,920
on the show tonight. We really appreciate it, and we'll

1862
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,199
definitely have to have you come back.

1863
01:57:17,479 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having us. We appreciate it.

1864
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,239
Speaker 4: Well, we're going to have you back. There's a lot

1865
01:57:22,279 --> 01:57:24,079
more to talk about and a lot more detail to

1866
01:57:24,119 --> 01:57:27,199
go into it and explore many years of experiences. Thanks,

1867
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:27,880
thank you.

1868
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 3: Folks, and thank you everyone for listening to Undow Origins Radio.

1869
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:34,159
Tune in next Thursday at eight pm Eastern Standard time.

1870
01:57:34,479 --> 01:57:36,239
Speaker 5: Catch you all next week. Have a good one people,

1871
01:57:36,399 --> 01:57:37,039
Thanks guys.

1872
01:57:37,079 --> 01:57:40,119
Speaker 1: Be safe okay, thank you, Bye, buying out.

1873
01:57:40,479 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 4: Hi,