Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Alejandro Rojas, and thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me. I am a longtime UFO researcher and writer.
Speaker 1: Of course, now I'm focused more on UAP. What's the
Speaker 1: difference really not a big one. UFOs was a term
Speaker 1: made in nineteen fifty two by Project Bluebook to say, hey,
Speaker 1: these are unidentified flying objects. We don't know what they are,
Speaker 1: we don't know if they're aliens. Over time, people you know,
Speaker 1: kind of thought of this topic as researching alien spacecraft
Speaker 1: when that isn't the case. That's why we've got this
Speaker 1: term UAP. Now that has arisen, which is again saying
Speaker 1: these are unidentified anomalist phenomena. We don't know what they are,
Speaker 1: and we're researching them to figure that out. And a
Speaker 1: lot of research has gone on to figure out what
Speaker 1: some of these things are, and that's what I'll be
Speaker 1: reviewing today starlink and UAP. So I work for a
Speaker 1: company called Enigma Labs, where I am a consultant and
Speaker 1: I look at a lot of the videos. I look
Speaker 1: for the best ones, and we have gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of shocking videos. That's what's great about Enigma Labs. It's
Speaker 1: an app, it's phone based we're getting more reports than
Speaker 1: any other organization has ever gotten on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those are video based, which is
Speaker 1: even better because in the past we dealt with a
Speaker 1: lot of just kind of written statements and anecdotal information, but
Speaker 1: now we're getting videos to look at these things, and
Speaker 1: we're getting videos from a lot of great people, including pilots,
Speaker 1: and we're going to go over some of that information
Speaker 1: because pilots are also mistaking things that are actually starlink
Speaker 1: or starlink related as UAP, so this also serves as
Speaker 1: an educational piece for pilots. Let's get into this. This
Speaker 1: is really interesting starlink and UAP SpaceX spacecraft mistaken for UAP.
Speaker 1: Most of the videos I'm going to be using in
Speaker 1: here are ones that we've gotten from the public, and
Speaker 1: most of these videos we've gotten not just one, but
Speaker 1: multiple of the seeing type, So we're getting a lot
Speaker 1: of these videos. First of all, why are we getting
Speaker 1: so many starlink satellites? SpaceX is putting thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of starlink satellites in the sky. This is a real picture.
Speaker 1: If you go to this satellitemap dot space, you can
Speaker 1: look at where the SpaceX Starlink satellites are and this
Speaker 1: is a real time moving image that you'll see on
Speaker 1: the website of where they are. And as you can
Speaker 1: see here, there are a ton of them as of
Speaker 1: this video June twenty twenty four. Actually it's already July,
Speaker 1: so there could be more by now, but there are
Speaker 1: over six thousand of these satellites in the sky. That
Speaker 1: is a lot, And just to show you how it's increased.
Speaker 1: They started putting these up in twenty eighteen. At that
Speaker 1: time there were less than three thousand satellites you can
Speaker 1: see here around two thousand total, So an increase now
Speaker 1: of over six thousand is a lot, and I just
Speaker 1: want to show for perspective this also so me and
Speaker 1: my friends, in particular Ben Hanson my buddy Mark d
Speaker 1: Antonio UFO researchers also do this. You might see them
Speaker 1: both on some of the TV shows out there analyzing UFOs.
Speaker 1: But we'll do these skywatches where we take these night
Speaker 1: vision tubes and we point them out the sky at
Speaker 1: night and we kind of look at stuff and kind
Speaker 1: of describe to people what they see. Usually when we
Speaker 1: do these skywatches in the past, we'll at least get
Speaker 1: a couple of satellites within the hour that we do them.
Speaker 1: Not a bunch, but things have changed a ton. So
Speaker 1: in early July, Ben Hanson and myself we're doing one
Speaker 1: of these skywatches in Roswell. So let's take a look
Speaker 1: at this video. So here we go. In the upper right.
Speaker 1: You see a couple there, they're criss crossing. In a second,
Speaker 1: here you'll see another one coming into frame. There's that.
Speaker 1: You can see how fast, you know, some of them move.
Speaker 1: And it used to be, you know, what you just
Speaker 1: saw was rare to see two at the same time
Speaker 1: crossing like that. That wasn't common. Here you see one
Speaker 1: in the middle. You see another one. Now to the right,
Speaker 1: here's another one coming in on the bottom. Those two cross.
Speaker 1: As we pan over, you'll see another couple coming in.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is within maybe thirty minutes these videos,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing tons of them, and not just one
Speaker 1: or two. We're seeing multiples on the screen at the
Speaker 1: same time. There's one in the middle.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Really weird, uh, just to see so many of these,
Speaker 1: and you can you can imagine how you know, people
Speaker 1: who are unfamiliar with how many satellites are up there
Speaker 1: now being like, oh my gosh, that's got to be
Speaker 1: some kind of alien battle going on with these UFOs
Speaker 1: fighting each other, and you know there are people out
Speaker 1: there saying that that sort of thing is going on.
Speaker 1: Look at this one. There's three right there in the
Speaker 1: center because of this happening, because there's so many of
Speaker 1: them up there. But it's not a space battle. As
Speaker 1: you saw in the image before. There are just thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of these SpaceX satellites, these Starlink satellites, covering
Speaker 1: the world. Now you may be like, that's very frustrating,
Speaker 1: you know, and why is this going on? Well, the
Speaker 1: positive is that now, because of these starlink you can
Speaker 1: get fast Internet practically anywhere in the world. If you're
Speaker 1: a farmer in rural America in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: you can purchase a satellite receiver from SpaceX and get
Speaker 1: great Internet because of all these satellites. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's a give and take for that. So pretty incredible
Speaker 1: how many satellites are up there. Of course you can imagine.
Speaker 1: We get quite a few videos of just what appeared
Speaker 1: to be satellites, but that's not just what we're getting.
Speaker 1: We're getting actual videos from launch to beyond. So in
Speaker 1: other words, it's not just satellites mistaken for UAP when
Speaker 1: it comes to SpaceX. The rocket launches themselves, and the
Speaker 1: part the different parts of the launch and the deployment
Speaker 1: of these satellites are also causing some confusion. This graphic
Speaker 1: here just shows what happens. So with SpaceX, what's unique
Speaker 1: is that the rocket takes off. There are two stages.
Speaker 1: The first stage is the main rocket that gets it
Speaker 1: into orbit, and that rocket, famously, as you can see here,
Speaker 1: will reconfigure itself and come back and land within minutes
Speaker 1: of launching. Typically these land in the Pacific Ocean on
Speaker 1: an unmanned platform, so these kind of robotic boats that
Speaker 1: are in the Gulf of Mexico that these things land
Speaker 1: onto incredible technology and that allows these rockets to be
Speaker 1: used over and over again. That's what makes these launches
Speaker 1: cheap and it's the secret of sax's success. But as
Speaker 1: you can see here, there's more that goes on. The
Speaker 1: second stage has a fairing and I'll show you what
Speaker 1: that looks like in a minute, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: a covering for protection of the satellite deployment section. You'll
Speaker 1: see that faring then breaks off and sometimes they recover it,
Speaker 1: sometimes not, but it falls into the atmosphere. And then
Speaker 1: the payload is also then separated and deployed. And there's
Speaker 1: more that goes on, and I'll cover in just a second.
Speaker 1: All right, now we're gonna look at some videos, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to full screen this. Here we go. So
Speaker 1: this is the first the rocket launches themselves. We're getting
Speaker 1: a lot of these now. A lot of people realize
Speaker 1: that these are rocket launches, but not everybody. Some people
Speaker 1: are still I recently saw one very similar to this,
Speaker 1: taken from a pilot in flight and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, me and my buddies, we didn't know what
Speaker 1: that was. And one of my buddies was saying, hey,
Speaker 1: that's a rocket, and I was like, I don't know, dude,
Speaker 1: but these are rocket launches and they look extra ordinary.
Speaker 1: A lot of times people call them like a jellyfish
Speaker 1: UFO or something like that. But that's a SpaceX rocket
Speaker 1: taking off. This is out of Vandenberg Space Forest Station
Speaker 1: in California. They also launch out of Texas at the
Speaker 1: SpaceX Facility and out of Florida Cape Pit Canaveral. This
Speaker 1: one was June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, at eight forty pm.
Speaker 1: You'll notice on the bottom left this is a video
Speaker 1: that we received on the app. It is a Enigma
Speaker 1: signing number two nine four seven five oh out of
Speaker 1: Garden Grove, California, also June eighteenth. They said they got
Speaker 1: it at nine thirty, But remember the witness is putting
Speaker 1: these in the time, usually themselves, so they don't have
Speaker 1: the exact time. They're just like, I think that was
Speaker 1: around nine thirty, probably a little bit earlier. Because the
Speaker 1: launches don't last long. You actually don't see this giant
Speaker 1: cloud for too long after it's gone. It does sit
Speaker 1: there for a while, but it does dissipate. But what's
Speaker 1: extraordinary about these launches is that how far you can
Speaker 1: see them. This is Superstition's Mountain outside of Arizona. It's
Speaker 1: just east of Phoenix, and I got this video myself
Speaker 1: on March eighteen to twenty twenty four. But look at
Speaker 1: that all the way in Arizona. It's that huge in
Speaker 1: the sky. So from what I understand, there's a type
Speaker 1: of ash in the fuel that space x uses that
Speaker 1: is highly reflective, and that's why you see this extraordinary
Speaker 1: kind of event here. Also a lot of these launches
Speaker 1: are later in the day, and so again for that reason,
Speaker 1: well because they're just after sunset that there's still some
Speaker 1: sun even here, you can see the sun isn't completely
Speaker 1: the light from the sun isn't completely gone in the sky,
Speaker 1: so that just reflects even further. But you'll see it
Speaker 1: there fading out just after a few minutes. So they
Speaker 1: don't last too long. But pretty dang incredible. That's the
Speaker 1: rocket launch, so we get a lot of these. But
Speaker 1: we get a lot of these too. This is a train,
Speaker 1: so when the satellites are deployed from the rocket, from
Speaker 1: the second stage part of the rocket, they are in
Speaker 1: a close configuration like this, they're very compact and close
Speaker 1: to each other, and they begin to spread over time.
Speaker 1: I'll play this video, but you can see how strange
Speaker 1: they look in the sky. This looks like some kind
Speaker 1: of objects going up in the sky. What the heck
Speaker 1: is that? You know, you can imagine why that would
Speaker 1: freak some people out, especially people that are not familiar
Speaker 1: with SpaceX and Starlink satellites. So you can see that
Speaker 1: the satellite train, they're pretty spectacular looking. This is Enigma
Speaker 1: number two ninety one two seven five Eastern Connecticut on
Speaker 1: September sixteenth, twenty twenty three, at nine thirty pm. So
Speaker 1: that's a good one. The next one, you can see
Speaker 1: it is another satellite train. There's one after another behind
Speaker 1: each other. But actually the reason I'm showing the next
Speaker 1: one is where the audio. The audio is great. The
Speaker 1: witness is obviously very frustrated. They're like, look, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: these these UFOs and you guys are telling me their satellites.
Speaker 1: How can they be satellites? And there are times where
Speaker 1: we'll tell people, look, that was actually SpaceX Starlink satellites
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, it wasn't. And you can kind
Speaker 1: of hear that sentiment in the next video. But a
Speaker 1: little bit of comic relief this one.
Speaker 2: So I don't care what anybody says. This cannot be
Speaker 2: a fucking satellite. It's starlink. Ridiculous, bro, still think I'm crazy? People,
Speaker 2: What is that you say? Uh, it's a satellite. I
Speaker 2: don't ever remember satellites doing this. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: do do do do weird? I swear to all that
Speaker 2: is holy that there's some things going on in this
Speaker 2: world that we do not understand. We may never understand.
Speaker 2: But if we are not alone, welcome to ancient anions.
Speaker 1: So funny, very very funny. This is a Enigma number
Speaker 1: two nine zero seven oh one out of Tuckerton, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: on March twenty fifth, as you can see, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four at eight twenty three pm. So those are the starlink.
Speaker 1: Very weird, definitely confusing people. And some people are convinced
Speaker 1: it is aliens, but it's not. Here's one that I
Speaker 1: was confused about because it's not just satellites that are
Speaker 1: being mistaken for UAP, it's actually other And in fact,
Speaker 1: there was an article in the Daily Mail about a
Speaker 1: bunch of sightings on May second in the Southwest. We
Speaker 1: were getting reports from California, Arizona, Utah, and Nevada, all
Speaker 1: of which many many of which actually that had videos,
Speaker 1: and the videos were pretty extraordinary. The Daily Mail covered this.
Speaker 1: It went a bit viral, but this is what most
Speaker 1: of the videos looked like. So you had in the
Speaker 1: bottom right here in Oreville, California, at nine about nine pm.
Speaker 1: They were all about the little after nine pm, this
Speaker 1: kind of glob and then you have what I call
Speaker 1: the bow tie on the left in Palm Springs. And
Speaker 1: you know these videos, usually you see the object cruising
Speaker 1: across the sky looking like what you see here, and
Speaker 1: then often they'll fade out, which is pretty extraordinary looking.
Speaker 1: So what the heck could that be? At first? I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure. In that article, I say, I think this
Speaker 1: has something to do with SpaceX, but I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: And it turned out that it was just for review
Speaker 1: and to kind of explain this. Here's what the Falcon
Speaker 1: nine rocket looks like in the different parts of it.
Speaker 1: You know, on the right, that's the same thing, just
Speaker 1: without the skin on it, so you can see what's
Speaker 1: under the skin there. But the first part on the bottom,
Speaker 1: as we talked about, is the first stage, so this
Speaker 1: is a rocket that gets it into the orbit. This
Speaker 1: part in the middle is an interstage, and what that
Speaker 1: is is kind of a fairing, but it also has
Speaker 1: some directional flaps that help this first stage when it's landing,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't it stays on there, but boom, it
Speaker 1: pushes out this second stage so it can go complete
Speaker 1: its mission. And it's carrying the payload, and the payload
Speaker 1: is underneath this fairing here, So this nose cone is
Speaker 1: what's called a fairing. It's really a cover that is
Speaker 1: providing aerodynamics for the launch, but also can be removed
Speaker 1: because it's protecting the cargo. And then this image you
Speaker 1: and see a bus just to show you know, that's
Speaker 1: the size of the cargo that it can hold a
Speaker 1: pretty large cargo. This is what the second stage looks like.
Speaker 1: This is from the SpaceX website and just so you know,
Speaker 1: like it says here, they may deploy twice, so they
Speaker 1: may have two different payloads, and the rocket may boot up,
Speaker 1: so it may turn on its rocket in order to
Speaker 1: get in a different orbit in order to deploy the
Speaker 1: second payload. And then it's doing more than that, so
Speaker 1: re entry and passivation. So this is a video from
Speaker 1: Animations Explain, great video you can find on YouTube which
Speaker 1: shows what the second stage is doing. So after it
Speaker 1: deploys the satellites, it'll do this maneuver. It'll turn around
Speaker 1: and it'll turn on the rocket and the reason being
Speaker 1: that it is positioning itself and slowing itself down so
Speaker 1: it can fall into the ocean like you see here.
Speaker 1: You know, it's for safety reasons. They don't want this
Speaker 1: because it is going to go through the atmosphere and breakup.
Speaker 1: Not all of it's going to break up, but they
Speaker 1: don't want pieces and parts falling on people's homes like
Speaker 1: it's been happening in China lately. They want this to
Speaker 1: safely fall into the ocean. The other thing that'll'll do
Speaker 1: that NASA requires is something called passivation, which means all
Speaker 1: of its fuel has to be emptied, so its fuel
Speaker 1: tanks have to be completely emptied. Why is that, Well,
Speaker 1: while it's in orbit, they don't want it exploding, which
Speaker 1: would create a lot of debris in that orbit, which
Speaker 1: would be a danger to the other satellites out there,
Speaker 1: danger to astronauts and the ISS. So you've got to
Speaker 1: get all of the fuel out of it. So for
Speaker 1: safety reasons, it's got to do this maneuvering in order
Speaker 1: to get itself deployed in the right place so it
Speaker 1: falls into the ocean and that it's empty of fuel.
Speaker 1: So that is what's causing these incredible videos and is
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite. So we're getting a bunch
Speaker 1: of these. This is one of the best where it
Speaker 1: just looks absolutely extraordinary. You can see here it's like
Speaker 1: a spaceship shooting some kind of shield it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: This is actually one of the re entry burns. This
Speaker 1: one was Odessa, Texas on March fourth, another Enigma Labs.
Speaker 1: The space Ex launch was actually out of Cape Canaveral
Speaker 1: in Florida. But check out what this looks like. Boom.
Speaker 1: So you're seeing this blob with a light in the
Speaker 1: middle going across the sky. So you're already like, what
Speaker 1: the heck is that? And then you see this burst
Speaker 1: coming out of it, and you can actually see the
Speaker 1: object still has you know, flames coming out of it.
Speaker 1: The phone is actually turning there, not the object. You
Speaker 1: can see that the person turned the phone probably because
Speaker 1: they wanted to get in into the landscape. But you
Speaker 1: can't really do that. People. If you're filming vertically, keep
Speaker 1: it vertical. You can't change. Oh you know what, I
Speaker 1: should film this horizontal because it's going to do this,
Speaker 1: it's going to look weird and it's not going to
Speaker 1: be good for the video. But the block part is
Speaker 1: when it was maneuvering, So when it puts on its thrusters,
Speaker 1: it's pushing out gas. That's how it moves itself. That
Speaker 1: gas then follows the spacecraft as it's cruising along and
Speaker 1: then that burst is when it turns on the rocket
Speaker 1: engine in order to slow down and watch this one
Speaker 1: more time. Boom. Isn't that extraordinary? So you know, you
Speaker 1: can only imagine how people are confused and think, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, what the heck is that we're getting a
Speaker 1: lot of these. These are some of my favorites. This
Speaker 1: is at launch. This is how I can tell. You
Speaker 1: can go to a website called flight club dot io
Speaker 1: and it will show you the path of the spacecraft
Speaker 1: and in this case the SpaceX. The darker or the
Speaker 1: red area here is the first stage. So the first
Speaker 1: stage doesn't go too far. It gets it into orbit
Speaker 1: and then it falls back and and it lands on
Speaker 1: the drone chips from SpaceX. But the rest, the second
Speaker 1: stage goes around the planet. This is you know, a
Speaker 1: complete orbit takes about ninety minutes for it to do that.
Speaker 1: So if you do the math, you know with the timing,
Speaker 1: it was about an hour or so later that you
Speaker 1: know it was over the southwestern United States when people
Speaker 1: were seeing all of this. The other is the bow tie.
Speaker 1: So the passivation part I believe I can't say, to
Speaker 1: be honest with one hundred percent certainty, I've reviewed like
Speaker 1: a lot of documents from SpaceX. I've talked to a
Speaker 1: few people who are familiar, but no one can confirm
Speaker 1: this with me, And hopefully I can get this confirmation soon.
Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty apparent that the outcasting part,
Speaker 1: there's two ports on each side where they're emptying all
Speaker 1: of the gas out of the second stage in order
Speaker 1: to make it safe. That's the process of passivation, and
Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing here. This video is from Palm Springs, California,
Speaker 1: on May second, but again out of Cape Canaveral. You
Speaker 1: can see what that looks like. So it looks really weird, right,
Speaker 1: What the heck is that flying through the sky again? Yeah,
Speaker 1: same picture. You could see it was right over that
Speaker 1: area at that time. So this is a bow tie
Speaker 1: and a satellite train, and this is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite videos. I think this one's really important. Let's play
Speaker 1: it here. But it's got both phenomena. You can see
Speaker 1: a satellite train above it, and then you can see
Speaker 1: below the bow tie effect where it is out putting
Speaker 1: that gas out, which is what it does right after
Speaker 1: it drops off the satellites. This is a really important
Speaker 1: video for a few reasons. So this one was captured
Speaker 1: in Sicily, actually in Italy on June twenty third, after
Speaker 1: a launch out of Cape Canaveral, Florida. And the reason
Speaker 1: this is important and I'm gonna wait for this to
Speaker 1: restart again, is that you have the bow tie and
Speaker 1: you have the satellite train. But look at the satellite
Speaker 1: train above. It doesn't look like several separate objects. In fact,
Speaker 1: I've got a close up so here again, I went
Speaker 1: to flight club just to see where the path of
Speaker 1: that spacecraft was, and sure enough, it went right over
Speaker 1: Italy at that time. But if we look at this
Speaker 1: close up video, that looks like one solid object right
Speaker 1: that doesn't look like twenty separate satellites, but it is
Speaker 1: twenty separate satellites. Looks like this luminous tube is what
Speaker 1: I call it, where some people have been calling it
Speaker 1: a cigar shaped UFO or a luminous UFO. It looks
Speaker 1: like that because remember these things are not self luminous.
Speaker 1: They're reflecting light. And what happens is in whatever the
Speaker 1: camera system is, you know, it's taking in that light
Speaker 1: and it's kind of blowing it up. You can do
Speaker 1: this with your cell phone. Go outside, and take an
Speaker 1: image of you know, let's say a plane or some
Speaker 1: point of light, and it's going to look bigger in
Speaker 1: your phone than it does to your eye because the
Speaker 1: camera is just especially if it's a light sensitive on
Speaker 1: a light sensitive setting where the aperture is open more,
Speaker 1: it's going to kind of make the object, make it
Speaker 1: look bigger. So all of those blend together to make
Speaker 1: it look like one object. And we've been getting quite
Speaker 1: a few of these sightings as well. And that's why
Speaker 1: this is important because there has been a lot of
Speaker 1: argument that, oh, my gosh, there's all these cigar UFOs
Speaker 1: being videotaped by pilots and by others. But no, there's
Speaker 1: satellite trains. And let's look at some of these videos.
Speaker 1: So this is one that I found very mysterious. If
Speaker 1: you follow my show, I was, you know, really curious
Speaker 1: about this sighting. And this one's out of Montana. I
Speaker 1: call this one a luminous tube. This one's out of Belgrade,
Speaker 1: Montana on June fifth, twenty twenty four, a Enigma two
Speaker 1: ninety four one two five, and so in this siding,
Speaker 1: you know, let let's check it out. It's an extraordinary video.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have this object moving across the sky
Speaker 1: very high, obviously above the clouds because you know it
Speaker 1: passes above the cloud there. So what is that This
Speaker 1: was taken with a psionics camera, according to the witness,
Speaker 1: I actually have one of these now and my buddy
Speaker 1: Ben Hansen, you know, is a dealer for them. But
Speaker 1: you can get them on Amazon as well. I'll put
Speaker 1: a link in the show notes. But what's cool about
Speaker 1: this video is that you know, it looks like one
Speaker 1: solid luminous object. How could that be a satellite train? Well,
Speaker 1: the psionics camera is a light intensifier camera, so it's
Speaker 1: not a traditional sort of night vision camera, even though
Speaker 1: night vision would also probably do this, but it's intensifying light,
Speaker 1: so it's somewhat distorting what the light looks like. It's
Speaker 1: making the light brighter than it actually is. So in
Speaker 1: this case, it's taking these little satellites making them really
Speaker 1: bright and so they look like one object when they're not.
Speaker 1: If you had a you know, more high tech system,
Speaker 1: if you had you know, a zoom lens, all of
Speaker 1: which would be really difficult, you know, you would be
Speaker 1: able to maybe distinguish the different satellites. Also, it's probably
Speaker 1: was just deployed recently, so the satellites are really close
Speaker 1: to each other. But this one turned out to be Starlink.
Speaker 1: Now this is an analysis of those Starlink satellites by
Speaker 1: an organization, because really part of the problem is nobody's
Speaker 1: really paying attention to this stuff. Is it that important?
Speaker 1: I think it is, especially for the stuff that we're
Speaker 1: doing when we're trying to identify UAP, But more importantly
Speaker 1: it should be important to the FAA and to NASA,
Speaker 1: both of whom are responsible for air safety, and we
Speaker 1: have pilots reporting these things. Here is a symposium on
Speaker 1: Commercial Space and Astronomy partnering. This is actually from a
Speaker 1: presentation called Spatial Situational Awareness. And in this presentation you
Speaker 1: can see that they took their own photograph with a
Speaker 1: regular camera, a Canon SLR camera, no telescope attached to it,
Speaker 1: but you can get what you see. At the top
Speaker 1: there the satellites, and they look almost like at least
Speaker 1: portions of it look like one solid object even during
Speaker 1: the day. But on the bottom there you can see
Speaker 1: what is actually the satellites. How it was multiple different satellites.
Speaker 1: Although what's great in the bottom image is that each
Speaker 1: satellite is depicted by a circle, but that the satellites
Speaker 1: are so close to each other that the circles overlap,
Speaker 1: and that's very representative of what these cameras are doing
Speaker 1: and why they look like one solid cigar shape when
Speaker 1: they're not. There has been some more science done on this,
Speaker 1: so this is an important sighting where this was kind
Speaker 1: of proven out. This was a case out of Hawaii.
Speaker 1: This is mouflin Case one twenty four one ninety the
Speaker 1: Mutual UFO network. It was captured August tenth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and here's the case summary. There were five airline pilots
Speaker 1: among two commercial airliners that saw a huge UFO cross
Speaker 1: the sky. There were five airline pilots, including one ex military,
Speaker 1: who saw a bunch of lights moving over fifteen g's
Speaker 1: calibrate and then fly. So I'm not totally sure what
Speaker 1: they mean by that. We figure it was a mile
Speaker 1: long and the same altitude approximately thirty seven thousand feet.
Speaker 1: It was about a mile long, so they're saying they
Speaker 1: think it was a mile long and they were and
Speaker 1: at the same altitude they were at, which was thirty
Speaker 1: seven thousand feet. We were three hours northeast of Hawaii,
Speaker 1: en route from OGG, which is the airport in Maui, Hawaii,
Speaker 1: to YVR, Vancouver, Canada. A scientist took a look at
Speaker 1: this kind of agreed with them about their figures. And
Speaker 1: remember these figures like fifteen g's and thirty seven thousand feet.
Speaker 1: These are estimates based off of their observation. They don't
Speaker 1: know for sure how high or how far away these
Speaker 1: objects are, which is really important because that's how you
Speaker 1: estimate speed, is you know distance. We'll let you know
Speaker 1: how far something is moving in the period of time
Speaker 1: that you're watching it, so you can determine speed. So
Speaker 1: a paper came out where the guy was like, look,
Speaker 1: this is something anomaloust this huge mile long cylindrical type UFO.
Speaker 1: This is you know, evidence of something a nonmal well.
Speaker 1: Some researchers then said, I think you got that wrong.
Speaker 1: I think this is a starling train. They re examined
Speaker 1: it and a paper came out and was accepted by
Speaker 1: the International Academy of Astronautics. It was a symposium on
Speaker 1: spatial situational awareness, just like that other one that we
Speaker 1: were looking at. This topic of this paper was enhancing
Speaker 1: space situational awareness to mitigate risk A single case study
Speaker 1: in the misidentification of a recently launched Starlink satellite train
Speaker 1: as UAP in commercial aviation. I've recently interviewed Doug Mittner,
Speaker 1: one of the primary authors of this paper, on my
Speaker 1: Open Mind UFO News. I also got to interview doctor
Speaker 1: Richard Griffiths with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. And
Speaker 1: there's another couple of gentlemen, Nick Snell and John Stiley
Speaker 1: hopefully I said his name right who wrote this paper,
Speaker 1: but they determined it was Starlink. They were able to
Speaker 1: find the exact satellites and this is all in their paper.
Speaker 1: Here is a video that was submitted by the witnesses.
Speaker 1: Looks like a big cylinder right, similar to some of
Speaker 1: the other videos that we've looked at. Here again, they
Speaker 1: changed from vertical to landscape. Don't do that, people, keep
Speaker 1: it if you're committed. If you're on vertical, commit to vertical.
Speaker 1: If you want to change the landscape, turn off your camera,
Speaker 1: put it in landscape and then start recording again. Here
Speaker 1: are pictures that were taken. This was an iPhone twelve on.
Speaker 1: I believe the video as well, and same with these
Speaker 1: pictures that were taken. Here are close ups. So these
Speaker 1: close ups look very much like a cylinder one long
Speaker 1: object that you know, you can't tell in any of
Speaker 1: these photos or is that these are multiple objects. Also,
Speaker 1: the distance is very important. They thought this was at
Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand feet, which is about what their elevation
Speaker 1: was in their commercial aircraft, when actually Starlinker at two
Speaker 1: hundred to three hundred and something miles away. So this
Speaker 1: was two hundred three hundred miles in the sky, So
Speaker 1: this was a lot further away than they suspected, so
Speaker 1: probably even a lot bigger than they suspected, but it's
Speaker 1: just a train. What you see here too on the
Speaker 1: left is important on this because what they're doing is
Speaker 1: determining the degrees in the image that the object takes up.
Speaker 1: Why is that important because essentially this is like a
Speaker 1: slice of pie you've got, and this shows you how
Speaker 1: big that slice a pie is, but you don't know
Speaker 1: how big the object is, because the other partion you
Speaker 1: need is the distance. The closer the distance, of course,
Speaker 1: if you're going out on that slice of pie, then
Speaker 1: the smaller the object, but the further the distance than
Speaker 1: the larger the object. And this is something researchers used
Speaker 1: to determine size, so that was a really important case.
Speaker 1: And why do they look so luminous. This is a
Speaker 1: great graphic. And in this graphic, what it's showing is
Speaker 1: the airliner in the part of the planet that is
Speaker 1: completely dark, you know, in the night, where as you
Speaker 1: see the objects themselves might be more in the twilight
Speaker 1: area or definitely closer to the sunlight. But either way,
Speaker 1: it shows how even though the airliner is nowhere near
Speaker 1: where the sun can get to it, so it's dark
Speaker 1: where the pilots are seeing this, the sun is still
Speaker 1: able to hit the straight on the satellites, which gives
Speaker 1: them a huge, you know, lot of reflection. So they're
Speaker 1: going to look very bright, and that's why they're going
Speaker 1: to look so strange in the sky to people. And
Speaker 1: that's for all satellites. And the other thing is is
Speaker 1: the terrain. So let's say you know, I used to
Speaker 1: live in Denver, You've got mountains on the planet. Then
Speaker 1: you know that's going to break up the light and
Speaker 1: you may then see the satellite changing in luminosity or
Speaker 1: disappearing because it's moving into shadows. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: getting hit by the sunlight. So that's why satellite looks
Speaker 1: so strange. Red rock. So this is a recent case,
Speaker 1: and I believe you know, we've got a video of
Speaker 1: this case and I've sent it out to the media,
Speaker 1: but for some reason they're not paying attention. But I
Speaker 1: think this pretty solidly demonstrates that this case that if
Speaker 1: you follow this kind of stuff in the news, was
Speaker 1: most likely also a starlink train similar to what we've
Speaker 1: just been reviewing. So all kinds of articles were going
Speaker 1: out in the last couple of weeks about red rocks UFO.
Speaker 1: We're going to say, a strange object hovered over a
Speaker 1: Colorado concert venue. These articles were going out early in July.
Speaker 1: The object was seen at one am on June fifth.
Speaker 1: The witnesses described it as a large disc shaped craft.
Speaker 1: They said there were three levels of windows. They also
Speaker 1: said then it started fading away until it was invisible.
Speaker 1: It didn't shoot off into the distance. It simply dissolved
Speaker 1: into the ether. We all watched it vanish. This doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. A lot of people are telling me, well,
Speaker 1: they said it was disshaper. They said there is three
Speaker 1: levels of windows. Well, I have been involved with a
Speaker 1: lot of UFO reports and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: times where you just follow the data, a video or
Speaker 1: picture shows up and you see how you know there
Speaker 1: was a lot of inference. There's a lot of assumptions
Speaker 1: that witnesses were making about what they saw. They did
Speaker 1: say they only saw this for a few seconds, so
Speaker 1: you know, in their defense, they were just making a
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions based off of what they were seeing
Speaker 1: for a few seconds. So this is so someone in Lakewood, Colorado,
Speaker 1: and I'll show you the relation of where it is.
Speaker 1: But Lakewood is essentially the closest city to Red Rocks Amphitheater.
Speaker 1: I know this intimately because I used to live I
Speaker 1: went to high school in Lakewood, Colorado. Actually, when I
Speaker 1: was going to high school, i lived in Lakewood, Colorado.
Speaker 1: I was going to wheat Ridge High School, which is
Speaker 1: in the neighboring town just north of here. But I
Speaker 1: would ride my bike out to Red Rocks in the
Speaker 1: Golden in that area all of the time. I love
Speaker 1: to ride my bike all the time, so I was
Speaker 1: very familiar with this area. Also, I loved Red Rocks.
Speaker 1: It's like my absolute favorite concert venue, so I've seen
Speaker 1: a ton of concerts there. It's been a big part
Speaker 1: of my life. But anyway, I went and looked at
Speaker 1: our videos and sure enough we had a couple of
Speaker 1: reports and a video from that exact same time, June fifth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, one am in Lakewood, so just down
Speaker 1: the street from Red Rock. It's about ten miles away
Speaker 1: where this witness was. And I'll show you the relation
Speaker 1: here soon. But you see there is a reflection that
Speaker 1: there are some moving lights in front of another light
Speaker 1: in the background, and those moving lights you can tell
Speaker 1: our reflection off of a window, so he's probably filming
Speaker 1: out of his window. The reason the lights are moving
Speaker 1: is because his hand's moving. And this is an important note.
Speaker 1: When someone is holding their phone, it's absolutely impossible to
Speaker 1: remain perfectly still. The camera is always going to pick
Speaker 1: up on your slight hand movements. Some people will tell
Speaker 1: me what I was leaning against the pool and I
Speaker 1: was holding it really still. It's impossible for the human
Speaker 1: body to hold that phone perfectly still. That's why you
Speaker 1: need a tripod is the best thing if you're getting videos.
Speaker 1: But you can tell the object in the background, which
Speaker 1: is most interesting is what we're looking at is not jiggling,
Speaker 1: that is something that is actually there in the sky.
Speaker 1: And what is it. It looks like a luminous cigar,
Speaker 1: a luminous kind of tube of light I call it,
Speaker 1: or a luminous cigar shape in the sky. And what
Speaker 1: does it do? It kind of moves along and then
Speaker 1: fades out, exactly like the witness is described. So let's
Speaker 1: take a look. Here. Here is a map you can
Speaker 1: see where the witness was. The yellow star more in
Speaker 1: central Denver. It's more in town, a little bit east
Speaker 1: of where I essentially grew up. And then you can
Speaker 1: see red rocks out there by Mount Morrison and it's
Speaker 1: not that far away. So, I mean, what are the
Speaker 1: chances You've got this guy filming this, this Starlink satellite
Speaker 1: train that is highly luminous that everybody practically mistakes, even
Speaker 1: airline pilots are mistaken for a UFO, and then these
Speaker 1: other red rocks guy seeing something completely different at the
Speaker 1: exact same time. The chances, in my experience, are near zero.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is the same object. Here's a close
Speaker 1: up of that video where you can see look at that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame the people. That looks extraordinary.
Speaker 1: What the heck? This huge, you know, luminous line that's crazy, right,
Speaker 1: and then you see it fade out just like they said,
Speaker 1: it slowly faded out. So it fits the description very well.
Speaker 1: Does it have three levels and a disc? Maybe if
Speaker 1: I was sitting there for a while working all night.
Speaker 1: I mean it was one am people, But you know,
Speaker 1: they just made some assumptions about what they were seeing.
Speaker 1: I think I think that it's highly highly likely this
Speaker 1: is what they saw at Red Rocks, the same starlink
Speaker 1: trained phenomenon. But moving on pilots, there's another phenomena that
Speaker 1: you know, my friend and researcher Ben Hanson and I
Speaker 1: have done a couple videos. Maybe you saw them, maybe
Speaker 1: you didn't, of what was called racetrack UFOs. So we
Speaker 1: had a lot of pilots in flight reporting these racetrack UFOs.
Speaker 1: And let's take a look.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: Here's a couple videos. One has some audio, of course,
Speaker 1: this one has just the Plaine sounds in the background,
Speaker 1: but the next one will have the pilot's actually conversing
Speaker 1: about it. But there you go. You see the light
Speaker 1: light up and then it fades out and then behind
Speaker 1: it another one. This was called racetrack UFO phenomena because
Speaker 1: they were assuming these lights were going in a circle,
Speaker 1: because that's what it looks like right that it lights up,
Speaker 1: you see it, and then as it's going through its circle,
Speaker 1: goes further away and fades out and then comes back
Speaker 1: and lights up again. They thought these were objects that
Speaker 1: were moving in a circular kind of racetrack pattern, but
Speaker 1: in actuality, what it looks like they are is a
Speaker 1: train of satellites where you're just seeing one at a time,
Speaker 1: fade in and fade out, so it's just hitting the
Speaker 1: sun just right where you can see it, see them
Speaker 1: when they're in this certain area, and they go out
Speaker 1: into shadow and you don't see it anymore. And this
Speaker 1: is happening. A lot of pilots are seeing this quite
Speaker 1: a bit, but it's been well established. He's our satellite.
Speaker 1: Here we go, here's another one, Yeah, there is. They
Speaker 1: barely see it.
Speaker 2: Oh dang, it went away. That's creakud.
Speaker 1: They are only twenty degrees.
Speaker 2: North of the rise. Probably, well yeah that way, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's the first day there's a person's here star
Speaker 2: with the Greek people.
Speaker 1: It's not a satellite and it's not a meteor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they think they're not really like that.
Speaker 1: Meet here if there it looks like they're orbiting every
Speaker 1: now and they a change there that would cur so
Speaker 1: there you go. You know, all these pilots are looking
Speaker 1: at this thinking what the heck is this? Uh, we
Speaker 1: don't know. And in fact, there were some news stories
Speaker 1: about this phenomena before it was discovered that they were starlink,
Speaker 1: and some of those pilots got a little embarrassed. They
Speaker 1: were like, well, you know, I went out to the
Speaker 1: public and said, look, we're seeing something weird. And then
Speaker 1: it turned out it's not that weird. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: No one should get embarrassed by that because what they've
Speaker 1: done is extremely helpful. Now we can alert other pilots
Speaker 1: and other people to what's going on. I think the
Speaker 1: sad part is is that who should be responsible for
Speaker 1: a learning pilots? The FAA and NASA holds that responsibility too,
Speaker 1: but nobody is looking at this stuff. The FAA has
Speaker 1: no procedure for reporting UAP at this time. In a
Speaker 1: NASA panel, they told NASA, oh, well, the air traffic
Speaker 1: controllers have a protocol where they submitted to a database,
Speaker 1: although I'm not sure where that information goes. When asked, well,
Speaker 1: what about pilots, what is their procedure to report, and
Speaker 1: the FA guy said, I don't know. I've looked it up,
Speaker 1: and it essentially says go to a third party civilian
Speaker 1: organization that's going to put it in their Excel spreadsheet
Speaker 1: and it'll go nowhere. So they're not taking this seriously
Speaker 1: and they're not looking at these cases, and so pilots
Speaker 1: are left with not knowing what to do. Some pilots
Speaker 1: are reporting them as drones to the drone database. Some
Speaker 1: pilots are using another database called the Air Safety Something
Speaker 1: or rather the ASRS. It is something that's administered by NASA,
Speaker 1: and they officially aren't being requested to put UAP information
Speaker 1: in there. It's for air safety issues. But you know
Speaker 1: UAP something you see something you don't identify that is
Speaker 1: an air safety issue. I think NASA's really got to
Speaker 1: kind of go in there and do some investigation of
Speaker 1: those cases. That would be nice. And in NASA's report
Speaker 1: where they put together a panel to recommend what to
Speaker 1: do about UAP, they did suggest that they said we
Speaker 1: should use this ASR system, tell pilots to report there,
Speaker 1: and then create a group in NASA where they go
Speaker 1: in and publicly transparently review that information, so they're not
Speaker 1: doing it. So who's doing it? I think my labs,
Speaker 1: it's us, it's me, it's it's the Scientific Coalition for
Speaker 1: UAP Studies. It's Ryan Graves and his group called the
Speaker 1: Americans for Safe Aerospace. You know, they're looking at these cases.
Speaker 1: And it's my buddy Ben Hansen who's doing probably the
Speaker 1: most of this work. He's really responsible for helping figure
Speaker 1: out this racetrack stuff and take a lot of these reports.
Speaker 1: But he's doing it all by himself. So we really
Speaker 1: need systems in place to take this stuff seriously and
Speaker 1: figure it out. So here we go. Here are the
Speaker 1: different types of things that are being mistaken for UAP
Speaker 1: related to starlink. You have the jellyfish there in that image,
Speaker 1: you know, when the rocket is launching and you see
Speaker 1: this weird thing in the sky. A lot of people
Speaker 1: seeing that because it's so extrame. Then the satellites themselves,
Speaker 1: the satellite trains, we're getting a lot of those. And
Speaker 1: here's an image I'm showing here where you're just the
Speaker 1: you know, a line of dot that is the satellites
Speaker 1: all in a row. Usually, you know, the closer they are,
Speaker 1: the more recently they've been deployed, the bursts when the
Speaker 1: jets light up to slow down and to position the
Speaker 1: second stage to come back in to break up in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere and safely land in the ocean. Those bursts,
Speaker 1: those are probably my favorite. Those are so incredible looking.
Speaker 1: The blob, which is just you know, the gas flying
Speaker 1: along with the spacecraft. You see that most common because
Speaker 1: that isn't just specific to SpaceX. You actually see that
Speaker 1: with other like military rocket launches as well. The bow tie,
Speaker 1: which is the passive passivation I believe, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I haven't one hundred percent confirmed that, but you know
Speaker 1: when the gases are pushed out on the sides, and
Speaker 1: we've got that great video where you see the bow
Speaker 1: tie along with these satellites that had just been deployed.
Speaker 1: And then finally these luminous tubes or these large luminous
Speaker 1: cigar shapes that are often seen by pilots where we
Speaker 1: actually have a scientific research paper on these now where
Speaker 1: it's been confirmed you know, those are actually the starlinks
Speaker 1: being mistaken and the racetrack UFOs. So when I've got
Speaker 1: the video running of that where you know, you see
Speaker 1: a light light up then fade out, a light light
Speaker 1: up here in this the video. In fact, right now
Speaker 1: you see a second one. So sometimes you will see
Speaker 1: two or three of these lights that light up and
Speaker 1: then fade out, light up and fade out, so they
Speaker 1: look like they're going in a circle, when actually there's
Speaker 1: just one, a long line of them, one at a time,
Speaker 1: lighting up and fading out in an area where the
Speaker 1: sun is reflecting on them. So these are the many
Speaker 1: faces of starlink. I hope you found and this really
Speaker 1: educational and interesting. You know, there really aren't a lot
Speaker 1: of places that are reviewing this information. That's why I
Speaker 1: felt it compelled to do this research and to get
Speaker 1: this information out because I think it's really important that
Speaker 1: the public know what Starlink and SpaceX spacecraft look like,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really important that pilots are informed.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of tragic that at this point,
Speaker 1: when NASA and the Pentagon have said this is such
Speaker 1: an important issue, that really pilots aren't being informed and
Speaker 1: there is in an organized way where the FAA or
Speaker 1: some other responsible agency like NASA are gathering this information
Speaker 1: and getting it to pilots. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: know these are organizations that are tasked to do a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff with very little resources. I know FA
Speaker 1: is a very busy organization, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just their fault. They need to be tasked.
Speaker 1: Congress has to and others. They have to make money available,
Speaker 1: and they got to ask, Okay, we're going to give
Speaker 1: you this money. Now create this department, and let's get
Speaker 1: this done. So it's a coordinated effort that has to happen.
Speaker 1: And are organizations like I mentioned Americans for Safe Aerospace.
Speaker 1: There's organizations or individuals such as myself. I recently did
Speaker 1: a talk at the EAA, which is the largest air
Speaker 1: show and kind of aircraft enthusiasts and pilot event, where
Speaker 1: I did a talk to kind of inform people of
Speaker 1: all these nuances and what's going on. But we really
Speaker 1: need some official stuff going on with this. So to
Speaker 1: end this, I just also want to tell you this
Speaker 1: is where I got most of these videos from the
Speaker 1: Enigma Labs app. Now it only works on iOS for
Speaker 1: Apple right now, so if you've got to Apple Phone,
Speaker 1: go downloaded. It's free. We're working very quickly on getting
Speaker 1: it running an Android as well, hoping by the end
Speaker 1: of the year we'll have it on Android, but you
Speaker 1: can't submit sightings at Enigma Labs dot io as well.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the Explorer section of Enigma
Speaker 1: Labs dot io, you'll be able to look at some
Speaker 1: statistics and some sightings around the world. We also have
Speaker 1: our library there where you can read about really important cases,
Speaker 1: historic cases, so check that out also. You know, the
Speaker 1: app is really cool. Some of the features that I'm
Speaker 1: showing you here is on the left hand side. What
Speaker 1: you see there is the content feed where we put
Speaker 1: all of our best videos, so you can just look
Speaker 1: at all of the videos there. They're really cool. In
Speaker 1: the middle, we also have what is called the Identify camera,
Speaker 1: so we have a camera, two of them. There's a
Speaker 1: record camera where you can record a siding if you're
Speaker 1: having one, and you can see all the telemetry that's
Speaker 1: coming in from your camera, like you know your altitude,
Speaker 1: the angle that you're is at, the direction your phone
Speaker 1: is facing, all really important data for researchers. And then
Speaker 1: if you hit the identified tab, you'll see like what
Speaker 1: you're seeing here in this image, you'll see a lot
Speaker 1: of dots show up. And then if you hover over
Speaker 1: those dots with the little X in the middle, it'll
Speaker 1: show you what it is, so it'll say, oh, this
Speaker 1: is an aircraft, this is airplane such and such, or
Speaker 1: this is a satellite, or this is Saturn or Venus.
Speaker 1: So it'll let you know, oh, okay, that's Venus. No
Speaker 1: wonder why I see this bright thing in the sky
Speaker 1: at this time of day or this time and year,
Speaker 1: you know, So you can be educated on what's up there,
Speaker 1: and we're improving that all of the time. It's not
Speaker 1: going to have all of the space X satellites because
Speaker 1: we're relying on other databases and there are so many
Speaker 1: SpaceX satellites going up that it takes some time for
Speaker 1: these databases to update. And then finally when you open
Speaker 1: up the app, it's going to zoom in on this
Speaker 1: picture of the planet into where you are and you'll
Speaker 1: be able to see all the sightings in your area
Speaker 1: or go around the planet and look at anywhere different
Speaker 1: sightings that have been reported. So it's a very cool app.
Speaker 1: Check it out. We're getting tons of videos and that's
Speaker 1: how I was able to put together this presentation and
Speaker 1: show you guys what we're getting that is actually starlink
Speaker 1: in SpaceX. So I hope you really enjoyed this. Check
Speaker 1: out the description for links on all some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we talked about, and thank you very much
Speaker 1: for joining me.