1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Sports on k od O Probo k U D d 2 00:00:03,319 --> 00:00:07,400 h D two one oh three, nine ninety ninety eight three, ESPN, 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:15,480 The Van stream Us Live on ESPN, Thevan dot Com. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,399 The clackness of marches right around the corner, and the 5 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:20,920 Cougars are in the middle of it. It's time to 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,879 talk some college basketball on Cougar Sports with Ben Cripton. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,839 Welcome to Bankrugar Sports one of three, nine ninety eight 8 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,039 point three ESPN The Fan. I'm Betfittal broadcasting from Lar 9 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:35,840 vander Walt Studios, vanderwaltht dot com. 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McDonald's given to them for becoming in a 21 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:12,920 McDonald's at least like one item on the menu where 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,560 they can go by any time and they themselves they 23 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:17,680 can pick up a free one, a little free by, 24 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:23,239 a mcflurry, a fry, an egg, McMuffin, a mcgriddle right 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,480 their their health staff doesn't banish. I mean, all I'm 26 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:30,400 saying is, you know, and maybe this is a catalyst 27 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:33,040 for change within the McDonald's menu to make it a 28 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:36,879 little bit more healthy, to make us athletes more strong, 29 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,560 right isn't that you gotta nurse and strengthen the body, 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,319 and you know McDonald's hasn't always done that. 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Let's be honest. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean the fast food, you know, realm of things 33 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:49,959 is not always the healthiest and doesn't always make you 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,719 the strongest. 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: But uh, I do want to talk about that. 36 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: We've had six six McDonald's all Americans and BAU basketball. 37 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:58,159 He's we got one of those guys on the line 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,280 right now. 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That's Dental Pros of Utah 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,000 Dental Prosofutah dot com. All right, let's get out to 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,159 the hotline. Welcome in McDonald's All Americans. Six foot eight 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,240 ballers shot collar out of Brighton High School in Salt 53 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:42,439 Lake City. We got number forty one. Garner meets on 54 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:43,479 the line. Garner, how that car are. 55 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:43,879 Speaker 2: You, buddy? 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you doing? Man? 57 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: Living the dream? Man living the dream. 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,479 Speaker 1: Appreciate you showing up, showing out for us today. How 59 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:53,800 does it feel to be one of six McDonald's All 60 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,520 Americans in BOE basketball history? 61 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: Got Garner? 62 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: You know it's kind of surreal. It's been twenty six years, 63 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:05,159 but whenever I see these lists come out, specially these 64 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:08,840 last two years with AJ and now Branch, it's a 65 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:10,800 guy and I see those and I see my name 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,400 on there, and I kind of think of that Sesame 67 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,479 Street song that you know, which one of these is 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,039 not like the others, but but still just an honor 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,400 and and it was a great experience, you know, when 70 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:24,680 I was a young kid to have that opportunity. 71 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: So it's great, yes, indeed, Like, did you get anything 72 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,719 for being a McDonald's All American or was it just 73 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:32,439 like give us some of the perks of being at 74 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:34,120 McDonald's All American back in the day. 75 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,759 Speaker 3: All right, so back they to your to your earlier point. 76 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,560 We did get a little send off party at the 77 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:43,639 kind of local McDonald's of your choice, So that was 78 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:48,599 one of the things. And during the kind of week 79 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:52,120 long festivities, you had the opportunity they did a banquet 80 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,680 and they present you with a McDonald's All American ring. 81 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,560 I don't know if they still do that, but that 82 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,080 sits in, you know, my office proudly displayed, and that 83 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:03,520 was presented to us that year by John Wooden, which 84 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:05,439 was truthfully kind of one of the highlights TIA that 85 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,000 week was to meet and interact with him, you know, 86 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:08,719 the coach. 87 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, the greatest coach all time, John would What was 88 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,719 that experience? Like articulate that for us? 89 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:19,399 Speaker 3: You know, he talked to you know, there's a banquet 90 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,600 with the families and there was all the players from 91 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:24,800 both East and the West team. And you know the 92 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,680 thing about Coach Wooden was it wasn't just about basketball 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,560 with him and when he got up and he spoke 94 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,160 and it was about life. It was about the life 95 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,600 lessons that you can learn through basketball, and that that 96 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,360 was kind of part of his winning formula. I just 97 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:42,920 always stuck with me, and you know, ever since then, 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,439 i'd you know, be kind of kind of a student 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,519 of Coach Woulden, read a lot of his books, and 100 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,439 you know, I just think he is, like you said, 101 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,879 probably the greatest coach arguably of all time in college sports. Yeah. 102 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,399 Speaker 1: Truly a remarkable human on and off the court, did 103 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,000 it the right way. He had a lot of time 104 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,920 though that he brought in to UCO. You know, and 105 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,319 you know, I mean there's plenty of talent. 106 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: Man. It's hard to lose when you have so much talent. 107 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: Like that, but definitely the greatest coach all time in 108 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:15,319 basketball history. So when you look at like these, we 109 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,800 had kind of the glory days of like the eighties 110 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,480 and seventies when we had a bunch of McDonald's All Americans, 111 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:23,360 and then you're smack in the middle right like, hey, 112 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,160 you're a McDonald's All American. And there was kind of 113 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,680 like a revitalization in the Steve Cleveland era. It was 114 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,800 like a rebuild mode where we were getting back to 115 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,839 the NCAA tournament. You were a big part of that. 116 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,199 And now we're in the modern era you're seeing aj 117 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,879 and Bruce Branch. The third is this kind of an 118 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,720 awakening if you will? Is this a re I mean, 119 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:45,800 this is a new era of BAU basketball. This could 120 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,120 be the glory days back at it. You know, just 121 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,680 going into like the seventies and eighties, those elite eight 122 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,959 runs with Danny Age, et cetera, with all these McDonald's 123 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:56,600 All Americans that bring in it. Give me your prognostication 124 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,800 and projection on how BYU basketball is going to be 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:00,920 turned out in the years to come. 126 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: Well, look, I certainly love what Kevin's done. He's helped 127 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,879 raise the profile of the program, and I think he's 128 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:12,279 showing a light on on what BYU has to offer, 129 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:14,920 not just his basketball program, but as a community, as 130 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,959 a school. And you know, the institution itself and kind 131 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,639 of what it stands for. And I think you know, 132 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,480 AJ and some of these others, I think they see that. 133 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,480 I think that they realize that you come to BYU 134 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,000 and if you embrace BOU for what it is, you'll 135 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,519 be embraced back by millions of people and you're going 136 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,120 to have their support and their fandom. And not only that, 137 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,959 but you've got a great coaching staff that can give 138 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:40,439 you the skills that you need. And we're now in 139 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,560 a conference that's going to facilitate, you know, that kind 140 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,240 of a profile that the top players are looking for. 141 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,959 So my hope is it does continue and that this 142 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,360 just becomes kind of a landing place for a lot 143 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,720 of the top talent. I think it's got that potential. 144 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, give me an eval of what you saw this year. 145 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,439 What did you like and what did you dislike? What 146 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:00,759 would you like to improve upon? 147 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, you know one watching Aj, I mean that 148 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,920 was a generational type performance that we saw from him. 149 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:13,040 I loved watching his personal development from the beginning of 150 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,600 the year to the end where he really kind of 151 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,879 became a leader of the team, and some of the 152 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:22,040 individual efforts he put up were just some for the ages, 153 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:23,639 So it was fun to be able to watch that. 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,120 I'd love, obviously to see us as avoid the injury 155 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,439 bug like we did this year. I think with Richie 156 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,600 and Dawson in the lineup, we would have probably had 157 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:34,319 a much different outcome at the end. So that one's 158 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,480 hard and one that I'm certainly sensitive too. I struggled 159 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:40,879 with injuries for the vast majority of my career, so 160 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:42,519 that can be a tough one and it can certainly 161 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,160 affect the chemistry of the team and the confidence of 162 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:48,360 the team too, especially when you lose a leader like Richie, 163 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:51,720 so you know, staying healthy, maybe a little bit more 164 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:54,160 depth in that six seven kind of two or three 165 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,160 guys coming off the bench. I'd love to see us 166 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,519 shoot more consistently from outside the arc. Some of the 167 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,680 most you know, dangerous BYU teams have been that dual 168 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,279 threat where you've got the ability to tack the room, 169 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,759 but you're also just assassins from the outside. I didn't 170 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,839 feel like we had quite that much of a threat 171 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:12,240 beyond the arc this year, So I think, as you're 172 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:14,000 filling in the gaps, that would be what I would 173 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,279 be focusing on. But you know, Kevin knows this game 174 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:18,560 far better than I do, so I'll leave it to him. 175 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,879 Speaker 1: Well, you have pro style, you of collegiate style basketball, 176 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,959 and look, these guys are coming to Bay because they 177 00:08:23,959 --> 00:08:25,959 want to be prepped for the NBA and maximize their 178 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,680 earning potential in the NBA and be able to make 179 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,879 that transition in the NBA. 180 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: Yegor Deming did it right. 181 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: You saw yeg Or have his ups and downs as 182 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,840 a basketball player at b YU. It was a pro 183 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:37,879 Scott scheme. He looked really good actually in the NCAA 184 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,600 tournament and then transition into the NBA, became one of 185 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:42,679 the best three point shooters in the NBA, one of 186 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,000 the best rookies in the NBA. So AJ's going to 187 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,120 do the same thing and he's probably going to be 188 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,399 on his way to winning an NBA championship depending on 189 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:55,679 where he ends up. Right, But the offense became stagnant 190 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,559 at times and it was ugly at times. That ball 191 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,519 got sticky in that high pick and roll situation. Is 192 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,559 there a balance right between pro style half court sets, 193 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:10,919 pro style offense, and just getting like higher percentage shots 194 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:16,559 that aren't so forced and aren't so contested, and that 195 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:21,279 Aj had to dribble like, yeah, like fifteen twenty dribbles 196 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,759 just to get a shot up, and it'd be nice 197 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,039 to get a few easy buckets for him as well. 198 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would hope that there's a balance. I mean, 199 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,200 I think the goals, Yes, I understand for these players. 200 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,919 We want to provide a platform that, like said, will 201 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,759 attract the best players, and that means that you're going 202 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,440 to prepare them for the next level. But I think, 203 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,519 you know, I read some of that. I can't remember 204 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,600 if it was coach Young that said this, but basketballs 205 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:50,559 for the fans, and you want to see wins, and 206 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,720 so if there needs to be an adjustment to facilitate 207 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:56,960 kind of the college style basketball and to get the 208 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,159 wins when they count, then I'm all for that, and 209 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,360 I think it would actually really be a good thing 210 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,759 for the players in the program and fans all together. 211 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just looking a little bit at these 212 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,559 these recruits that buy is bringing in for the next year, 213 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,840 specifically Bruce Branch that we've been talking about but also 214 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,080 Dean Rooker both play the same position, both can shoot 215 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,559 the three really well. You know what it's like to 216 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,279 come into BYU as a heralded recruit. What kind of 217 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,960 pressure are those two facing coming into BYU. Do you 218 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,879 expect big things from a guy like Dean Rooker who's 219 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,120 a local guy, but he's the four star versus the 220 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:34,519 five star Bruce Branch? 221 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,279 Speaker 2: What's that like? 222 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think I definitely had a little 223 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,200 different experience coming in with the spotlight, and there is 224 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,360 pressure that comes with that. I think coaches have to 225 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:53,600 actively manage that. These are young kids, you know, and 226 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:59,200 and and I think though that there's there's also something 227 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,840 to be said for just having good internal competition on 228 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,000 the team, where nothing's given, everything's earned, and just keeping 229 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:08,399 people hungry. So I don't actually my hope is that 230 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,080 Dean and and Branch will we'll be able to play 231 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,080 off each other, that they'll actually drive each other to 232 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,519 be better, and that we'll see and get more out 233 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:18,240 of them as a result of that. And I think 234 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,159 if you can keep that at a healthy level, it 235 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,600 can benefit a team, and they can actually help each 236 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,080 other transition into the college game and in the next level. 237 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Garner meets former b YU great ball or shot collar 238 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,759 here on your Utah ESPN Radio network talking to some 239 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,000 BYU basketball and what the future looks like for BAU 240 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:43,759 basketball in this nil transfer portal world in which we're 241 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:46,799 living in. Right, you look at the teams you played 242 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,840 in and like, you know, you're like, like, what would. 243 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:50,639 Speaker 2: Have happened year over year? 244 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: Right, Like, let's talk about like how it would set 245 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,600 you up for your your future? Right, And you had 246 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,320 a great you had a great career oviity, you had 247 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,559 some injuries, et cetera. And you guys want a lot 248 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,120 of basketball games and uh, the education of your cd 249 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,399 W with phenomenal. But like, what do you think an 250 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,240 additional million dollars would have done for you? Would it 251 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:11,279 have ruined Garner meads when it had upended you know, 252 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,840 the work ethic, the blue collar nature of you and 253 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:17,840 your trajectory as a as a great holistic, well rounded 254 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:20,080 human being, or would have been a benefit to you 255 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:23,639 to maybe solidify yourself in the in the corporate world, 256 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:24,080 et cetera. 257 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:28,279 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a that's a good question. And my wife 258 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,159 and I we we do laugh sometimes kind of in 259 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,200 our more candid moments and be like, man, what it 260 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:34,919 would have been like? 261 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: You know, you would have upgraded to a town home 262 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,159 rather than that one bedroom apartment. 263 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I mean we lived in a basement apartment, 264 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,080 no natural light coming through the windows. I mean it 265 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:49,960 was and I you know, I thought we were rich 266 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,399 and I had like maybe five or six grand in 267 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,039 my bank account. I mean, I maybe it would have 268 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,279 ruined me. I don't know. I would have, you know, 269 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:02,360 made some pretty poor financial decisions. But uh so it's 270 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,440 hard to go back and say I had done it 271 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,600 any differently because I've got a good life. I've been blessed, 272 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:10,440 and the opportunities that came my way when they came 273 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:13,679 were I think narrowly tailored for me and the experiences 274 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:17,960 I need to have. But I hope these young student 275 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 athletes that are have good advisors, and that's the thing 276 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,200 that changes, is you're really the team you have to 277 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,679 build around these kids, I think has to be more sophisticated, 278 00:13:27,879 --> 00:13:30,720 and I think they need to protect them in a 279 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:35,200 way from people who would take advantage of them, and 280 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,720 in ways that you know would be pretty easy when 281 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,159 you've got young kids that trust people probably more than 282 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,879 they should in some instances, and you know, you watch AJ, 283 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,240 he's very polished, and I think that he's had kind 284 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,080 of that infrastructure around him. But I know there's a 285 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,919 lot of others and athletes that don't, And those are 286 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:52,759 the ones I worry about more than than like the 287 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,440 AJ's and the branches of the world. 288 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,279 Speaker 1: I was talking about the glory days, right, and we're 289 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:00,840 getting into a new new glory days, if you will. 290 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,559 Money people would say kind of like from seventy eight 291 00:14:04,279 --> 00:14:08,720 through probably like the mid nineties when Frank Arnold, Ladell, 292 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:11,960 Anderson Rogerie, they were coaching up these BYU Cougars when 293 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,080 you were growing up, right, Like they were going to 294 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,799 NCAA tournaments pretty much every year. It seemed that way 295 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:21,039 they get, you know, second round games they'd get into. 296 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:24,559 They got into an Elite eight in the eighties, second round, 297 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,519 first round, second round, first round. There was a lot 298 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:29,639 of first round one and dons, et cetera. But like 299 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:32,440 when you were getting recruited, it was a rebuild. Steve 300 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,639 Cleveland had taken over to ninety seven ninety eight in 301 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:37,440 your high school heyday, when you were becoming a McDonald's 302 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,399 All American. They went nine to twenty one, twelve and sixteen, 303 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,879 and then twenty two and eleven, And you decided to 304 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,000 come to BYU at that time? Why as a McDonald's 305 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,840 all American getting recruited by freaking everybody in the country, 306 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:54,000 why by you at that time? 307 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: It's a great question. I give asked that a lot. 308 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,360 And you know, I had narrowed down my schools to 309 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:06,559 really Stanford, Utah, and by U, and you would call, 310 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:08,519 you know, Stanford had just kind of come off the 311 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:10,799 Mark Madison years had some really good runs into the 312 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:14,639 final four, and Utah had the Britton Johnson's, the Alex 313 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,480 Jensen's and I mean they had Hano Metalas and they'd 314 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,840 been coming off what was really kind of a generational 315 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,279 run for them as well. And as I looked at 316 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 the coaches, you know, there were rumors that Mike Montgomery 317 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:30,840 was gonna mention jump to the NBA. Rickma Jerris's health 318 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:33,960 wasn't great, and I was finding on serving inn LBL 319 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,200 to listen. And part of my concern was continuity. I 320 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,639 didn't I didn't necessarily know who I would be playing 321 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,639 for in those instances. And that's coming from a kid 322 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:46,600 who look my parents are both University of Utah graduates. 323 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:48,559 My dad went to medical school there. He actually played 324 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,840 on the JV basketball team for year when they still 325 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,960 had that at university, and you know, my mom did 326 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,919 her nursing there. So I was kind of raised the 327 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,360 Utah guy, but you know, had a few experiences Rick 328 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,639 that kind of also showed me like that he could 329 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,639 be a difficult guy to play for too, and I 330 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,600 wasn't sure I wanted that experience, and and then I'd 331 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:10,960 be I'd be a miss if I didn't acknowledge the 332 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,879 role that Jeff Judkins played. You know, Juddy was at 333 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,679 one point in time, I think Rick's first assistant, and 334 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,440 you know, through a variety of different things that kind 335 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,399 of went down there, he ended up at BYU as 336 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:27,360 a director of basketball operations for the men's team, and 337 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,080 Juddy was on each staff. You know, at least back then, 338 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,600 it kind of seemed like they would they kind of 339 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:36,879 feel what kind of what coach connected with the players 340 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,240 that they were recruiting the most. And Juddy and I 341 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,159 had a pretty good connection, and so UTA had kind 342 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,799 of signed him to be my point of contact through 343 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:49,399 the recruiting process. And Judge's story stayed consistent the whole 344 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:51,600 time he's recruiting me, even when he went down to 345 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,399 b YU, and that was, Hey, Rick can make him 346 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,600 a really great basketball player. It's hard to play for 347 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,279 he said at times. And but he says, I'll oversee 348 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,880 your personal development. And he says, and I'll do. I'll 349 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,880 give you the same attention I gave Van Horn and 350 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:12,839 Hanno and and Doliac. And that was a commitment that 351 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,759 I meant a lot to me from jud And so 352 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,759 when Jed went down to BYU, I remember we went 353 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:19,759 and got breakfast one morning. He says, well, Jed, what's 354 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:21,920 the story now? I assume it's going to change and 355 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,839 he says, no, Rick can still make him to a 356 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,079 really great basketball player. He says, but but you still 357 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,279 have my commitment that I'll I'll devote you know, the 358 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,160 time and the energy into your personal skill development you 359 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,160 need to become a great player. 360 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: Now. 361 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: The irony there and all of that is my My 362 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,160 fear about going to Utah and Stanford was in part 363 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:40,680 the coaching continuity and whether I actually played for the 364 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,359 coaches I committed to. And when I got back from 365 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,920 my mission, jud took the women's head jobs. So I 366 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,279 never actually really got to too much for it said. 367 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,240 And that's not to take anything away from from Steve 368 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:55,799 and his staff too, because you know, I admired coach Cleveland. 369 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:57,559 I thought he came in and had a really tall 370 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,359 order uh and and did a lot to bring the 371 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,559 program back to where it was competitive and was a 372 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:09,000 place where you know, you could recruit good players too. Again. 373 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's an increge intriguing storyline. Jutty's uh, I mean, 374 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:15,799 he's one of my favorite interviews. It's funny you mentioned 375 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:19,440 Jutty because I think, like my brother in law, Jake 376 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,119 told me a number of times, like you know, Jetty 377 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:25,519 was pretty integral in his like recruitment too, and ending 378 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,079 up at by U after his mission after playing at 379 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,000 Weaver State, and and then Jetty jumped over to obviously 380 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,519 the women's side of things, but. 381 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: He like he loved, he loved Jutty, you know what 382 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:37,599 I mean. 383 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,319 Speaker 1: And and uh, I always wondered like if Juddy you know, 384 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:46,240 would have continued to uh, you know, to coach on 385 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:47,160 the men's side. 386 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to coach. 387 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: He didn't want to be over ops, right, Like he 388 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,359 didn't want he wanted to be coaching guys. But they 389 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,880 had a pretty good coaching staff. You look at that 390 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,920 that crew, uh of Dave Rose obviously who became the 391 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,000 goat of BAU men's basketball, Steve Cleveland. They had Dave 392 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,319 Rice I think was on that staff. Juddy was on 393 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,960 that staff with Ops. You keep that staff together, man, 394 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,480 you doing some special things. 395 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: I know Cleveland elsewhere and Dave took over. 396 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: But had he just maybe written it out a little bit, 397 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,839 I wonder if he would have been kind of an 398 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:26,839 assistant head coach under Dave during that time. 399 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe in an alternative universe, that would 400 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,640 have been, you know, a really intriguing staff. And when 401 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,839 I love Dave, I if my body had permitted me to, 402 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,880 I would have loved to continue playing and finishing out 403 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,720 my eligibillionunder him to the style of play. And then 404 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:46,200 if you bring in like a Jenkins into that men's staff, 405 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,279 I mean, that would have been a powerhouse staff for sure. 406 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,960 And you're talking about two of the best humans in 407 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,039 the world too, not just their basketball IQ, but you know, 408 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,759 I just have unlimited amounts of respect for for Rose 409 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,920 and Judkins. Seriously, two of my basketball heroes. 410 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: What were some of the injuries that you sustained, and 411 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,079 like what advice would you give to not only your 412 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,640 your younger self, but to those young basketball players that 413 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,079 are trying to stay healthy while getting it like maximum 414 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,519 reps and development, et cetera. Things that you learned, golden 415 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,799 rules that you maybe learned through the process. 416 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I had this. I kind of had 417 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,680 this mentality of like just push, push, push, and I 418 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,759 think I wasn't as good at recovering or realizing when 419 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:39,240 I was potentially doing more damage than than good in 420 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:41,640 terms of like keeping myself on the on the floor. 421 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,000 And you know, when I came back from so serving 422 00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:49,480 the mission, I just I was kind of just gung ho. 423 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,759 I wanted to go on the team was going to 424 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:54,240 Australia that summer, and I wanted to be in shape 425 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,880 where I could go play when we went to Australia 426 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,480 and really hit the gym hard. And I will say this, 427 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,559 I think the training techniques and regiments have changed. I 428 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,200 felt like when I came home, they trained me like 429 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,119 I was a linebacker. 430 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,599 Speaker 1: Well, you did like working out with Justin and like 431 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,400 putting four thousand pounds on the straight bar and squatting. 432 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I didn't. Actually, and I bulked up. I 433 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,920 mean I was like six percent body fat, two hundred 434 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,119 and forty eight pounds. But I think I lost some 435 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,960 of my agility and traded that for strength. And so 436 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:34,119 I think, you know, I would have trained a lot 437 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,279 different going back, and I would have probably allowed myself 438 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,160 more time before I really started pushing it hard, because 439 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,119 oh yeah, knowing what I know now about how muscle 440 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,359 and soft tissue works, you know, the muscle can get strong, 441 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,400 but the tens and other things and the injury that 442 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,839 really kind of people ask me, alltency, what was your career? 443 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,000 Describe your career at Baun said, it felt like a 444 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,880 false start. Yeah, And part of it was because immediately 445 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,400 after I got them from the mission, I developed tears 446 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,680 and the abdominal muscles right where they attached to the 447 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,480 pelvic bone. 448 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: And you had like an cubist type of deal. 449 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and sports hernia, yeah, kind of like sports hernia 450 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,599 type stuff. And that had you. 451 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: Had any entries in high school at all? 452 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,759 Speaker 1: Garner, Sorry, I hate to cut you off, but did 453 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,480 you have any Did you have any Andrews high school? 454 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: I did. I had a floating bone fragment in my 455 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,279 left knee underneath my pateel attendant. That kind of was problematic. 456 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,240 So I did have that operated on at the end 457 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,759 of my high school that had largely but time I 458 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:39,720 go for my mission, I wasn't an issue anymore. But 459 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,640 he was fine. But it was this abdominal kind of thing, 460 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,240 and this was a injury. It was really hard to 461 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,519 diagnose at the time that there wasn't very many people in 462 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,359 Utah that were trained to pick up on it. So 463 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,839 when I went into the training staff and it really 464 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,400 got bad in Australia and when I came back, they 465 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,559 just said, oh, it looks like you've got an abdominal strain. 466 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,559 Let's just treat you with some pretty heavy duty anti 467 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440 inflammatories and then we'll inject you a cortizone as needed. 468 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,480 So I took quartersone injections over the course of my 469 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,400 freshman year. And I remember when the last injection wore off. 470 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,279 It was about two weeks after he played Syracuse in 471 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:20,880 the and Sibley Tournaments. Ending in line at an Albertson's 472 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,079 there Off University and had two gallons of milk in 473 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,559 my hands and I sneezed and like it felt like 474 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,920 two daggers in my stomach and I dropped. I literally 475 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,240 dropped my knees, dropped the cartons of milk, and was 476 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,920 just sitting there. I think people thought I was having 477 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,359 a medical emergency, and I knew at that point, I 478 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,119 was like, this is more serious than just a chronic strain. 479 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,359 And that's when we went and finally did some memorized 480 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,240 and specialized tests and I flew out to Philadelphia where 481 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:51,720 I actually had a complete abdominal reconstruction done, and that 482 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,519 just I just never fully recover from that. And then 483 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,720 I tried to come back and play my sophomore year. 484 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,759 I had all sorts of complications where I developed structures 485 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,839 and other muscles that raven over compensate. Tore my quad 486 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,839 muscle that year, and it just became a kind of 487 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,799 this cascading thing where I needed to rest and needed 488 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,240 to give my body a break. And unfortunately, at that point, 489 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:16,279 when you're on a clock with the withncatively eligibility, the 490 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480 writing was on the wall, and my wife and I 491 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,400 decided at that point it was time to figure out 492 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,160 what was actually going to put food on the table 493 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,599 for our family and focus on that. 494 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: It's really interesting, like like you're explaining these things. So 495 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 I had a sports hernia as well, you know, coming 496 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,119 off a mission, I had gotten bigger, faster, stronger, and 497 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,200 like it essentially ripped up my adductors and lower abs, 498 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,200 and I was able to luckily treat it conservatively through 499 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,160 like about a year of like rehab, like where I 500 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480 was doing a ton of like isometrics, we were doing 501 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:54,960 like focal red light modalities, ultrasound, we did like diathermi. 502 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,839 I mean, who knows, you know, you know all I 503 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 was throwing everything out we did. Like at that time, 504 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,640 they started implement a stem and grasped in tools, so 505 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,240 they were like literally like scraping my abs and my 506 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,079 adductors to try to like create fibronic tissue overlay and things. Man, 507 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,680 it was it was pretty tough, man. So I know 508 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,039 exactly what you were going through, and yours was probably 509 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:23,240 even more more devastating than mine. So, uh man, I 510 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,799 wish I would have been that for you, bro, and 511 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,079 I got you hooked up at the pros. I would 512 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,440 have had some nice compression wear for you. I know 513 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,200 how to treat that now, Bro, I know how to 514 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,559 get after it and get guys out back on the court. 515 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:34,599 Speaker 2: Get them back on the field. 516 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. And you've been great over the years, 517 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,079 even since my playing Kurds because I still tend to 518 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,640 push it a little harder than I show the time. 519 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: He does. 520 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,279 Speaker 1: Well, Gonner, always love and appreciate your time and talking 521 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,440 some ball with us today. 522 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on to talk some college basketball BYU. 523 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,319 Speaker 1: And I know you're on vacation right now, so stay 524 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,039 safe out there or enjoy your time big kugar or 525 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,720 do you appreciate your time as always. 526 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: Brother, appreciate it. Thanks Ben. Likewise, there you go. 527 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,279 Speaker 1: That's Garner mead so one of the McDonald's All Americans 528 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,599 in BYU basketball history, one of six baller shot collar 529 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,359 and that segment was brought to you by Dental Pros 530 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,559 of Utah. Dentalproso of Utah dot com. If you've been 531 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:18,000 told you need a filling a ground and root can 532 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,519 now get a second opinion at Dental Prose of Utah. 533 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,480 In American Fork, they utilize the best biommedic techniques. Hues 534 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,680 are minimally invasive techniques to rebuild your teeth layer by layer. 535 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,440 See don't have to settle for the fake teeth later 536 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,880 on in life. Choose dental pros. Coming up next, we're 537 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,799 gonna talk twelve personnel with a former BYU tiight End 538 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:38,119 who was his you know, his lightning to the thunder 539 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160 or vice versa in his twelve personnel sets. 540 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna have it again, Roger Salli